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2 Cops 1 Donut
Exploring Modern Policing: Technology, Tactics, and Perspective-A Live Podcast
What happens when you mix engaging law enforcement discussions with a sprinkle of humor and the latest tech? Our guest Erik Lavigne returns to "Two Cops One Donut," alongside co-host Banning Sweatland and West Texas peace officer Alan Nelson, to unravel this curious mixture. With new equipment and recent collaborations, including insights from Second Amendment advocate Colion Noir, we set the stage for a lively conversation that explores the dynamic world of modern policing and the ever-evolving technology shaping it.
Listeners will gain insights into the pivotal role School Resource Officers play in ensuring student safety and how parents, schools, and law enforcement can join forces for a more secure environment. We also spotlight innovative tech solutions from companies like Peregrine and Mark 43, which are transforming law enforcement practices. Through candid discussions, we address real-world police scenarios—from high-speed chases to tactical responses—emphasizing the need for adaptability, teamwork, and critical thinking in high-pressure situations.
As we navigate through the unique challenges faced by rural officers in Texas and the invaluable contributions of canine units, our conversation shines a light on the multifaceted nature of law enforcement. From the adrenaline-fueled pursuit tactics to handling armed suspects, we share personal anecdotes, expert analysis, and a touch of humor to provide a comprehensive view into the life of a police officer. Join us for an episode that promises laughter, learning, and a deeper understanding of the complexities of policing today.
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We'll see you next time. Provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language, viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops, one donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back, eric Levine. Two Cops, one Donut. I am here with Banning Sweatland, my co-host, and our guest today, alan Nelson. Alan, how you doing, buddy? Very good, very good. Hello from West Texas. We got your sound working. We got your background changed to something more organic.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 4:I like this guy already, man, I like him already.
Speaker 1:Alan has been a peace officer in Texas. I won't name where he was at, where he is at any of that stuff, just know he kind of knows what the hell he's talking about. He's also with a company. Are we allowed to talk about that at all, alan?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah okay.
Speaker 1:So for those that are wondering, and uh, I'm gonna get the chat going up here, let me. Let me get a little overlay. Um, we, we got everybody that follows us. I appreciate your patience. I don't know what the fuck happened. My camera just one day it worked. The night before the next day I had got a new monitor from. I want to give a shout out to Shane from Samsung. Shane Hob, how do you say? His last name? Alan Hobgood? Hobgood, yes, hobgood.
Speaker 2:Hobgood. There it goes. He just got engaged too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh did he.
Speaker 2:Yes, nice.
Speaker 1:So Shane from Samsung. We've been talking for about almost two years with Samsung and they've been supportive of what we're doing, but we couldn't get an official sponsorship going. It's just how it is. It's just the way things go. So we don't have a sponsorship, but we have what I would like to call support, and they sent me the new G9 Odyssey monitor, which is 57 inches of curved glory and it is eating up my entire desk right now. So, thank you to Samsung. Be sure to go to Samsung and check out this Odyssey monitor.
Speaker 1:I can tell you right now, if you're an editor, if you're anybody that's into photography, videography, gaming, even this thing is immersive and it is amazing, and I I would tell you you guys know, I would tell you I'd be like no, this thing, it ain't worth the hype. It sucks, but it's not the case. It's fucking awesome. Uh, it's probably the best monitor I've ever had for my purposes, for what I do, Um, so it works really well. Normally I have a two monitor system. I don't need that anymore. This thing has my entire desk space and I can put everything I need on this one screen. So it's really cool. I wish I could show you, Um, but I currently just I just have one camera I was about to get to. Then that's the story I was trying to get to Camera went down. I don't know what the fuck happened. I didn't drop it, I didn't do anything to it, I just went to go turn it on because I got the new monitor. I was like, oh, let me see how the camera looks.
Speaker 4:We were going to do a show that night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to do a live Last Tuesday Yep, last Tuesday and it went down well, alan from RGB, a friend of mine. We've been talking and working together. He actually showed up in the background on one live that I did. He just wanted to see the flow of how we worked and all that stuff and he's actually going to bring the skills of what RGB does to the podcast and try to help us out. Well, in that and seeing us in our hour of need, alan reached out to RGB and was like hey, can we do this? Can we help them out? They're kind of in dire straits right now. And they did. They came through, got us the same exact camera we had and got us up and running for tonight's show guys. So, through, got us the same exact camera we had and, uh, got us up and running for tonight's show guys. So big shout out rgb, thank you very much, alan man.
Speaker 2:That that's. That's the brotherhood in blue, and that is also awesome that your company was looking out. Of course it's. Uh, you know it takes a village to make things like this happen.
Speaker 1:It does um, I recently moved into a new house, so everything is still fresh. New. Our glasses are still all packed away, so I'm using a tin cup tonight Star Wars one, by the way, but I apologize for the tin noise.
Speaker 4:Today was the last day and I'm in a Hilton or Marriott or something, so I apologize for the acoustics here. Yeah.
Speaker 5:So I'm in a hotel room again guys, so I apologize.
Speaker 4:You probably can't hear me that well, but hopefully Okay.
Speaker 1:The good part, though, banning is you are smooth as butter. Your camera feed is amazing, so everything's working for once in the hotel for us. So that's pretty cool. No kidding, we tend to bullshit for the first 20 minutes on this guy, so stick with us. We're just. We're saying hello to everybody. Appreciate you guys logging on. I want to. I want to get you in on all the new stuff with the podcast. There's always something new and cool we're trying to bring down the line. The latest one is I was on Koli and Noir's podcast.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with coleon noir, but he is, um, a pretty big 2a guy if you haven't heard of him, and, uh, I'm going to share the screen here and I, if you guys get a chance, go to his youtube channel. Uh, coleon noir, and I'm about to put it up on here. Uh, boom, share. Um, we got to. I got to be on there and talk about kind of a police view of people carrying, you know, in either the bar settings or just open carry stuff like that. It was a pretty good conversation. I'm going to play the the little beginning clips just so you get a little teaser. Be very careful, because your audience will kill me. They already give me shit for my stance on it, which mine is Honestly feel like, and this is going to make some detectives mad out there. When people are on TV and they're like putting them in cuffs, you have the right to remain silent. That's some bullshit. It doesn't happen, peter. That's bullshit, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 4:Give or guess what happened. Peter's getting all the love.
Speaker 5:Nobody cares about me anymore, and so I'm trying to understand what's going on here.
Speaker 1:Now they just realize what's really going on. That's all. Oh, shut up. I see the masterwork behind, Because he didn't really start blowing up until he came on board. Oh, here we fucking go, my man. Yeah, come back on anytime, see, well, and that, folks, is Coley Noir's podcast. He's a little bigger than we are, A little bit, I mean.
Speaker 4:Give it another year. Give it another year.
Speaker 1:Danny, I think we're up to about 10,800 subs on YouTube and Coley Noir he's just slightly above us at just below 3 million.
Speaker 4:Right right. I mean we're right there, Give us two more weeks, man, we'll be good, we're right there, we'll get up there, we'll get up there Looks like we got a question out here already.
Speaker 1:Brad Dorr says hey, banning Eric needs some of your help with his beard so he can get as epic as well. Fear the beard. What's wrong with my beard?
Speaker 4:So you know who Brad is. Man Brad's a good dude out in the Cali area. Many, many years of law enforcement Great guy. Yeah, so I don't know if Brad knows or not that you've got to shave that thing what? Every year, and then I think you've got to shave it one other time, if I remember right.
Speaker 1:I have to shave once a year, usually around March. For the military I have to stay within regulation. For a police department, I would grow it out a little longer. Trust me, if I didn't shave, it would be up here. I would look like Wolverine. Well, I'd look worse than Wolverine. I'd look like Beast. It would be enormous. So this is well manicured, by the way. Well manicured Because if I didn't it would be out of control. Like I said, I'm a little offended. I have a fucking man beard. Thank you very much. It's just. Banning is a specimen of a man and it's hard to compare. No, it's all my barber man. I go to a place called the Bearded Beast in Weatherford. That's awesome. They named it after you. I love it.
Speaker 1:So tonight Alan is new to the show guys, so we're going to definitely use his perspective. Fresh first, because you've heard us talk over and over. We kind of sound like broken records. Fresh first, because you've heard us talk over and over. We kind of sound like broken records. If you're new to what we do here. Basically what we do is we've pulled a bunch of random ass fucking body cam footage that we've never watched. That's kind of the hope. If we have watched it, we'll own up and say, hold on, let me pause, I've seen this one, and then we'll kind of back away.
Speaker 1:The point is to try not to Monday morning quarterback, but the point is to give education and perspective, to show you how us as police would respond if we were the cop in the body cam footage. It's a unique way to look at it because too many times you see body cam footage where the cop is. You know somebody's break donut operator. He's famous for it because he's so good at it. I love donut operator, but he'll break down the call and he's at the luxury of seeing what happens. He's got everything ready.
Speaker 1:We're not going to do that. We're going to show like oh hey, we're coming up on a traffic stop For me as I'm walking up. I'm going to get behind the B pillar. Pause. What's the B pillar? Okay, hey guys in the audience, here's the B pillar. This is what we're talking about. I want to stay behind that. Why? Because it makes it very hard for that person to turn on me with a gun or do anything bad. It gives me a chance to see what they're doing up in the front seat. My big concern is hands. You're getting that inside law enforcement perspective. It's unique. There's nobody else that's doing it. Well, I say that, but now there's some people out there that kind of you know, what I imitation is the best form of flattery, so uh.
Speaker 1:So there's some people out there doing it now Kind of interesting, um, but we started that, so, uh, I'm pretty happy with that. Uh, alan, how long have you been in law enforcement?
Speaker 2:Uh, 16 years. I left about 16 or a year ago. Uh, worked in the school for 15 years as a school-based law enforcement officer but, funny enough, when I resigned they were like no, you're not resigning, we're so shorthanded that so I still go in and work some weekends, things like that. So fill in where they need help.
Speaker 1:Nice. Now, when you were a cop, what did you specialize in, like? What was your focus? Were you a patrolman for 16 years? Was there anything that you were? I was like I'm a SWAT dude. What was your favorite? School law enforcement. Okay, so you were SRO. Yes, most of all of it slash glorified juvenile investigator, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay of it slash. Glorified juvenile investigator, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay. So that is why you really like that short that I put out. Not too long ago when I interviewed Craig Floyd from Citizens Behind the Badge and I kind of gave a shout out to SROs, talked about how important they are and how much shit SRORO squash that people never hear about stuff, tragedies that they've prevented because they found the guns in the locker. They found the guns on the student before they even got into the school. They're scrubbing social media. They're doing all these things. Listen, I'm going to give everybody a freebie.
Speaker 1:One of my things that I like to do is educate other cops. Here's the idea Camping at your school, camping at your department, whatever you got to do, take credit for it. I don't care. But here's my idea Every year when school sign-ups happening, I want you to have a form, a template, if you will, a PDF that sends out to all the parents and it gives them the opportunity to help us.
Speaker 1:At the schools, the SROs monitor the activities of the kids through their social media. It is impossible for a cop to figure out everybody's social media accounts. There's so many different accounts. There's dummy accounts with all this stuff. But if you want to be an involved parent and want to say that you're an involved parent in your kid's life. I want you to put on this PDF form whatever social media accounts they have to help the SROs and the school monitor the accounts of these minors. So if something happens and your child or somebody else's child is a flagged person because no SRO is going to be able to watch every single student, but it will help them immensely in the future prevent any of these shootings or anything like that, Because there's one thing that's in common with every bad scenario that we've really seen at schools in the last 10 years, and that is these kids like to share it on social media before they go, pull off whatever it is they're going to do.
Speaker 1:So I think that is how us, as cops, the SROs, the students not the students the teachers and the parents can work together to help start preventing some of these tragedies. And I've never heard anybody talk about that. I'm not an SRO, I don't consider myself the smartest guy in the world, but it seems very common sense. Alan, have you heard anything like that out there?
Speaker 2:No. Most of the parents. They don't understand what their kids are doing on social media. There's so many back doors and hidden vaults inside a phone that parents would be shocked. You know, usually my kid wouldn't do that and you know they have so many secret hidden things that unless you stay with it every day and focus on social media, you have no idea the things kids are capable of on their phone yeah, yep, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Um, I had a. I did a podcast with somebody that was involved in Internet Crimes Against Children and talked about how the predators are hiding in roadblocks. They're hiding in all of these different programs that your kids are using all the time. So it only makes sense that there's a ton of different things. I'm sure there's a lot that I'm not aware of, even with my own kids. There's a lot that I'm not aware of even with my own kids, and I do what I can. I am satisfied with my level of involvement and prevention, but it would be nice if the schools you know like we had that collaboration. That's the whole point of what we do and why we do it on this podcast.
Speaker 1:We're perspective sharing. We're giving ideas. We're collecting ideas from people in the chat. If you're in the chat right now, throw some stuff out there at any time, we'll talk about it. It may not even be what we're talking about. If you've had an idea for cops and you're like, why the fuck aren't you guys doing this, throw that shit out there. We'll see it, we'll talk about it. I've still got a perfect record. Every troll that we've had I've invited on the show and none of them have showed up. It just is what it is Banning. What do you got to say, man? You look like you've got something on your mind.
Speaker 4:No, man, I'm relishing the time that I had up here at IACP. I got to meet a lot of folks that I get to talk to on LinkedIn, a lot of law enforcement. I mean it was great. The company I work for had an outstanding showing.
Speaker 1:Are you allowed to talk about who your company is?
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely, it's Mark 43. We do CAD and RMS. And for those that don't know what that is, cad is computer aided dispatch. So when you call 911 and you're giving information to a dispatcher, basically he or she is putting that information into a system and that system can be viewed by the officers. And when it goes over to that side it's called RMS, which is report management software. And we also have a phone version for these officers and just to give you kind of the safety side piece of that, we have GPS on the car itself.
Speaker 4:So dispatch and all the other officers know where everybody is and if that officer were to get into a foot chase or on a priority one call and he's not answering his radio, if he has his phone with him we can see exactly where that officer is to get him help when he needs it the most. So NASA is just a 30,000 foot view of what it does, but we have a huge analytics piece in the software. So captains, chiefs, sheriffs, when they need to go to city council or their county commissioners to ask for money for more law enforcement stuff, he that they can use that analytics and get it very, very quickly and present it to city council or the commissioners or the public analytics and get it very, very quickly and present it to city council or the commissioners or the public. The better part of that is the public If they have a public facing portal. Mark 43 has the ability to force whatever that police department wants to be available to the public and I think that's very important to let the public know what's going on.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, especially for transparency purposes. I think that's where policing has really improved over the last 10 years is just the with body cams and the ability to learn how to scrub and get that information out there. Oh shit, tom Smith, we got royalty in the crowd tonight. Tom Smith from Gold Shield. Gold Badges, gold Shield.
Speaker 4:Gold Shield Gold Shield.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, tom, I always fuck his damn podcast.
Speaker 4:So I got to hang out with Tom a little bit. They did a demo. I think it was yesterday or the day before my days are running together and I did a video. And so, tom, since you're listening, linkedin has not let me. They're only letting me load photos right now and I think it's because of where I'm at I need to get on better wi-fi but I will get that video out so everybody linkedin can see impact, which is an amazing spray, and eric, I think you know about his spray.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's freaking, absolutely yeah, the impact spray I'm I swear to god tom, now that we've got the new studio banning, is going to come over and spray me with that shit. I've said it forever and we're gonna. We're gonna make it happen, I promise. Um, I'm just waiting for you to say that you guys want to sponsor our podcast as well. I'm just if I'm gonna get sprayed in the face, bro. Make it worth it. Gotta hold out, hold out yeah I'm going to um real quick.
Speaker 1:I want to share for those that don't know what I'm talking about. I'm sure this is his most popular. Part of his format is Apple Podcasts, so I'm going to share it on the screen real quick. Guys, make sure you go check out Gold Shields Podcast. They're NYPD guys. They're definitely from the era of 9-11. So we've got some heroes, real heroes, and real experience, more experience than me and I. I've talked to Tom, talked to Dan the two salt of the earth guys and I wholeheartedly believe that you will learn and take away great things from their podcasts. So please go check them out for sure.
Speaker 4:Put some of your comments up their podcasts, so please go check them out, for sure. Put some economics up.
Speaker 1:Tom, no worries, thank you, I'm jealous. I emptied my piggy bank. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about, baby, hook it up with all that retirement money you're making. He said. Thank you so much, eric and benny. Anytime, bro, listen. Everybody that knows my podcast. I am not a competitive guy. That's not why I'm in this. I am a servant. I am here to push out whatever makes life better for us as police and as a community, and from the heart we're a little different than other folks and tom's the same as us, but we're here for the melting pot.
Speaker 4:We're here for the melting pot. We're here for everybody. We want everybody to understand truly and through attrition of what law enforcement is. So maybe in the future, with our grandkids. Cops aren't being treated such as they are in a lot of parts of the United States today. So we're bridging that gap, man.
Speaker 1:And I've challenged people copy my podcast, copy it. I don't give a shit. You're going to have a different, we're going to say and have different perspectives. Just because you could be a cop in the city right next to mine, go ahead. I welcome it because you're only helping. We're doing things good together.
Speaker 1:I had a LinkedIn user say something. He said I'm retired from HSI recently and before I left we had so many CSAM cases Child sex maybe. I don't know what CSAM stands for. It's always different each department Cases we couldn't keep up with. Probably at least an arrest a week and SWs as far as schools. A good web analytics social media scrapping tool with specific keywords in your district I feel like I'm missing something here could help give you a heads up on issues before they're a problem.
Speaker 1:So I'm not sure who that user was. You're only showing up as LinkedIn user. I apologize. Oh, marine Bloods is in the house. I love, love having Marine Bloods in here. He said hi, I'll be lurking while heading to pick up my father-in-law from the ER. Oh man, hey, prayers, brother. Hope everything works out.
Speaker 1:Michelle Marie, I'm just catching up, just getting in. What are we talking about? We're kind of talking about police companies. Right now. We haven't gotten into any of the body cam stuff. Um, he said, child sexual abuse material. Oh, okay, now I understand what these same things were.
Speaker 1:Um, and I want to get back to your point about um, m43, uh, mark 43 and what makes them stand apart? Because I am a part of another company called peregr and I have told you guys, peregrine is going to change law enforcement. They are changing law enforcement. It's probably one of the companies, if not the company, that I have been most excited about over the last three years, because I can see the writing on the wall and once other departments can jump on board and see it for themselves, it is going to change how we do policing. It is going to turn every shitty detective into Sherlock Holmes, whether they like it or not. It is that amazing.
Speaker 1:And that's one small aspect. And the point that I'm trying to get to between Peregrine and Mark 43 is they want to catch bad guys, they want to help the community, they want that, and I'm not one segment. I don't speak for them, I don't speak for Peregrine. I'm just telling you my experience and, from my experience, they are out to help everybody. To help everybody. They are willing to, without cost, merge with any company willing to merge with them. As far as compatibility, integration, open API, go ahead, danny.
Speaker 4:No, and I'm just going to give an example, because a lot of people don't understand what I do with that CAD and RMS I was talking about earlier. Just to give you an example, you have a patrol officer working a beat and he gets sent to a let call it a burglar motor vehicle. Somebody entered another vehicle without the owner's consent and they took whatever item and that's the state of Texas penal code and and let's say so he's running people through dispatch, maybe his victims, maybe he has a lead on who the suspect is and they're. They're getting criminal histories or what's called driver's license returns and license plate returns all a part of the call.
Speaker 4:Well, now it's time for that officer to go back to the station and has however many of the reports that he has for that night. And that's where it counts for us. Citizens want us on the street more. Our administration wants us on the street more. I mean it's a win-win if you can do that. So Mark 43 really lowers that time.
Speaker 4:So just in the narrative, eric and Alan, when you guys have written thousands of narratives, like I have, you go in there and you hit an at. You just hit the at symbol and the start of a name and if dispatch ran it, it has already created a master name file and it brings it right over. I mean, you're saving so much time going down that. And then we had an AI piece that was just released a couple of days ago when we got up here to IACP, and I'm still learning about that piece. I don't feel comfortable with talking about it. Other vendors are doing that as well, but I can tell you it's pretty high speed, low drag, it's awesome it. Other vendors are doing that as well, but I can tell you it's pretty high speed low drag.
Speaker 1:It's awesome. So one of the main concerns about AI internally anytime with a police department is is that AI able to get outside of your internal network or is it drawing stuff in externally which would be a security risk? Absolutely, and from my understanding correct me if I'm wrong the beauty of Mark 43, and this is me talking. I'm not affiliated with Mark 43 or anything like that, I've never even used it, but I'm just talking about AI in general with police stuff. My concern as a cop would be that whatever we're doing can get out, but with all of these, with the companies that are being vetted properly, like Mark 43, it stays internal, it's yours, it's within your own internal network. It does not get outside of your, your fishbowl and that's exactly.
Speaker 4:That's exactly how it works. And for those of you in law enforcement and deal with vendors and stuff like that, mark 43 is a cloud native. There is nothing that goes in dispatch. There's nothing that goes in the police department or sheriff's office. So if you go into some of these large departments or even media size departments, they've got a 200 300 square foot room that has servers. They're stacked and then they got coolers the amount of electricity and everything from the cooling. Some of them have water cooling devices because these machines get hot. Ours is completely cloud-based or it's native cloud. There's a difference in that. There's a lot of vendors that say that they're cloud-based and they are. They shoot to the cloud and they come back. But we are 100% a cloud-native product and we're the only one in the market for that and we're FedRAMP high and StateRAMP certified.
Speaker 4:There's not a lot of vendors that can pull both of those off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I want to push this out to anybody that's not a cop and they're listening to this Like what the fuck are they talking about? Quit trying to get sponsors. That's not the thing. This is what I want you to understand, guys. If your department is getting anything that's cloud-based, you have to make sure your department is not leaking all of your personal information and Chinese vendors and stuff like that that you have to be aware of. This stuff needs to stay native, meaning internal. It cannot get out. It needs to be all of your social security numbers and your license plates and everything like that needs to stay internal. It needs to be on a native cloud where nobody else has access to it except your department, which you are allowing them to have. So be careful.
Speaker 1:There's agencies out there that are not educated in this. That does happen. Florida is having a hell of a time. We had a great podcast with my buddy Mike out there. He's a state rep out in Florida and talked about how there's departments and hospitals and things of that nature that have been shut down because they were going to these Chinese servers and then somebody hacked in and took them over and was trying to hold them hostage. What do they call that? Like extort them for money. So you've got to be careful. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:And just to talk about Mark 43, I mean, you know I'm a part of this amazing organization, so we're all in the AWS GovCloud and if you understand what AWS has to be, to have that GovCloud reference to protection for agencies and citizens, it's very, very, very secure yeah, go ahead, alan.
Speaker 2:I know you're about to say something I mean, it's just, all of these programs are allowing us to regionalize and get information quicker. And so many times, uh, we were behind the curve on investigating things that had happened six weeks ago. That never got solved because we couldn't we couldn't go through the Rolodex quick enough. And so now, with how all this stuff can be combined and you know, it felt like even two or three years ago all the companies were kind of fighting against each other. It seems like they're getting more streamlined to help law enforcement.
Speaker 2:But going on to the, you know, in my small agency there were so many times where somebody's coming to sell something to us that you know, sadly the department wasn't smart enough to ask the right questions and they were just being told, oh yeah, this is good, and then the person working on their computer wasn't up to what was required by the state federally, and so then you end up with this program. You spend all this money and then you can't get a new one because you're stuck. And so it sadly happens too often, and I feel like we're kind of getting over that hump a little bit with a lot of the software that's out there now yeah, well, you know, let's.
Speaker 1:Let's be honest, everything's in its infancy as far as this ai and analytics and everything like that, um. So somebody on linked LinkedIn said analytics makes sense on so many levels, makes law enforcement so much more efficient, absolutely, um. But with everything comes risk and cost and all of this stuff. So you have to know what to ask and oftentimes departments will put somebody in charge. You're like hey, you're our new guy. I want you to look at this new software that's out there, because some chief got some show at the IACP. And they're like, yeah, that sounds awesome and he hasn't done real police work in the last 15 years. So now all of a sudden, somebody's getting thrown into the loop of that and they're expected to make a decision and you don't know what the fuck you're looking at. So how do you know the right questions to ask?
Speaker 4:Right. So I'm going to add to that, eric, and not to step on you for it. But this is the first time I've been to IACP and I've been to many IACPs as a vendor, so I've always came as an officer or purchasing agent from an organization, but being on this side is so much different. But these chiefs are really. I'm going to give them credit right now because they will come in, we will give them a full demo show, the analytics suite, everything, and then you know what they're. They're. They're smart man. They're like you know what? Would you mind coming to do an on-prem? Come out and do a frigging, uh a demo for us. So my officers dispatch, dispatch, supervisors, cap. So because they're the ones that's utilizing the software and I want to make sure this is something that they want and and I love it when I hear uh administration say that. So we do that whenever we can.
Speaker 1:So it's it's amazing yeah, uh, rafael ingram just popped up and said hey, what's up, brothers, back to blue. I love it. Um, brad dorsey, christopher, christopher musto, agreed, but egos on making that big case of making information sharing so essential. A lot of these news investigators don't get it. It's not that I don't think they don't get it. I think they're looking to make a divisive, controversial story, and it's very easy to make a divisive, controversial story on analytics and AI and all of that stuff. It's so easy and I would listen to it and watch it. But as a person that's a part of it and looks at it, it literally all it does. Guys. For those that don't get to see it, all it really does is it turns eight hours worth of work into five minutes. It's all the same stuff that we would have been able to do beforehand faster. It just makes it more efficient. It's really all it is. It's not fucking ti 1000s coming out the you know termination and it doesn't.
Speaker 4:It doesn't matter the vendor, I mean, as long as they have and most of them do even our competitor, they, they have the tool. So the officer is literally still reading line by line and they're making sure that it's true and accurate and correct. They're signing off on it, similar to DocuSign. It's now a legal document that came from that officer the body camera, all the details from dispatch and now we want to call it and everything. So it's the same information but, sometimes it's written better so people can understand it through that platform.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what are you saying about law enforcement? You ended through that. What are you saying about law enforcement? You don't know how to write. Come on. No, you motherfuckers don't know how to write Holy shit. I'm looking at my.
Speaker 4:I came to call and I arrested you made me angry.
Speaker 1:I put Cuff done, copy paste, no further details. I hope they're not listening to this. I'm just buzzing very long but, no, I mean report writing.
Speaker 1:You know it's gone downhill majorly and I'm sure if I talk to any person that's been on that you know that did police work 30, 40 years ago they're going to say the same thing, like yeah, we have the same probably, like it's just universal. Until you learn to write like a cop and I hate saying it that way we all suck at it. Um, I was a great writer. I I knew I wanted to be a cop, so I took advanced english every year I was constantly like I was a writer. I'm still a writer. I love it. Um, um, oh shit.
Speaker 1:John Barker in the house. What's up, brother? Uh, john Barker is one of our biggest supporters, especially on Facebook, so anytime he pops on, man, I'm going to give him a shout out. Thanks for showing up, brother. Um ocean girl also. She's a she's definitely a big supporter, so thank you for being on. Um ocean girl said I would buy literally anything banning was selling. I tell you what he's not selling weight loss pills.
Speaker 1:Um so big bastard anyway um should we get to the point of this? Real, we're busted way all over. I usually try to just bullshit for 20 minutes so everybody can get on here. And John Barker, thank you, bro. Anytime, man, don't thank me. Thank you, man.
Speaker 1:We wouldn't keep doing this if we didn't have regular people show up and come on here and comment what I can ask you guys that are on here. I see the number 20 right now, which generally means there's around 1 thousand, maybe 2000 people logged on. If you can, please share this with one other person, get them on here, have them ask questions. I recommend that you ask the person that doesn't like police. That's who we really want to reach. We want you to get the people that don't like cops or are indifferent about police work or whatever. I love having my pro-police people, don't get me wrong. It's awesome, but that's not who we're trying to reach. We're trying to bridge gaps out here, guys. Brad said banning can be used as a human shield on a standoff. Yes, he can. Perry Lemley said uh, banning can be used as a human shield on a standoff. Yes, he can. Perry lemley, uh, I went from being a cop to being a paramedic. Writing report sucks, I bet, especially with all the medical jargon?
Speaker 4:hell, no, in reference to that, I've had a lot of rookies, uh, in first phase and what that means is when they first they first get into training and they're just learning from me and they're not really receiving instruction. It's kind of a do as I say, not as I do, from what you hear from a lot of FTOs that aren't teaching you right. But it is that sense in some places.
Speaker 4:But we'll get going to a domestic and as we're approaching whatever opening it is and the shadow disappears next to me, from the streetlight or where I'm like where's my rug? I turn around, he's like right behind me it's like what are you?
Speaker 1:doing man, if they come out start shooting they're gonna hit you first.
Speaker 4:I'm like you're stressed over here, right?
Speaker 1:so yeah all right, guys, we're gonna get to the videos now. Again, for those that aren't used to this part, we're gonna pull up body cam videos that we've never watched and we're going to act as though we're the officers in the screen. I am pulling all of my videos from Police Activity YouTube channel, so make sure you check them out. Every video that we're going to watch today is from Police Activity, and I apologize too. I'm still getting used to this ginormous screen, so I'm not sure how it's going to work out when I full-size. Used to this ginormous screen, so I'm not sure how it's going to work out when I full-size if I try not to full-size, so bear with me. Okay, we're learning together. It's hard for Eric to work with big things. I much prefer a handheld. Let's see what is this one called. Okay, that'll work. Okay, so we got that. Let me see what happens when I make this large size. Okay, perfect, that'll work. Do you guys like this view better? I think that'll make it bigger.
Speaker 1:Bigger. Yeah, you like that? Yeah, all right, and let's make sure our volume's good Quality, beautiful, yeah all right, and let's make sure our volume's good quality, beautiful somebody's kid is talking her wife. It's got to be yelling. Don't worry about it, bro. All right, here we go, uh hands up, hands up okay, we didn't even have to get that far into this video, so I'll go first. Since I started this shit, I don't know what's going on, but we have our guns pointed.
Speaker 2:We have a taser.
Speaker 1:I can't tell Honestly. It kind of looks like a gun, um, I can't tell honestly, kind of looks like a gun, um. But in this instance, uh, I tend, unless I see or I know, this person has already been a deadly threat because we don't know what to call well, the. The title is police catch woman accused of stealing a cell phone from an elderly woman. So I'm not shooting into this vehicle, um, I don't mind having guns drawn, because sometimes just faking it until you make it can work. You might be able to talk them out of that. But from here, as that person is showing that they're going to start backing up, I'm just going to jump back in my vehicle and get ready to maybe have to pursue or chase and go from there Banning. What do you got?
Speaker 4:Same thing. I mean it's a cell phone. You know cell phones are replaceable. We can get the information on the person. We can always write paper on it later, meaning a warrant. We can figure out who it is for the value of the phone. Why take this escalation to such a level? Sometimes, but we don't know what they saw. I'm only speaking on the 10 seconds of the video that we've seen.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah. The big problem with this guys is we don't have this is part of the problem with the show, in a sense is we don't have all the information, so we're only going off what we see. Yep, so for everybody that wants to get on, you shouldn't be Monday morning quarterback. We're not. We're only going off what we see while we're seeing it, to pretend that we're the cop on the scene at the moment.
Speaker 2:So relax, alan, you got anything to add Just knowing that that camera is from the fleet, so it's a vehicle camera, so you're getting you know all the descriptions of the vehicle. If they leave, they leave. Yeah, at this point, right, exactly.
Speaker 1:We're going to play Travel away. I'll try to hang up Now we're picking up the vehicle, we're going to be giving up Travel. So pit maneuvers are. There are some places you're allowed to do them, some you're not. Up in Michigan, I definitely think almost every place in Michigan is allowed to, but it seems to be fading. It just depends on the department. But the point is to get behind it and make sure you're monitoring the traffic around it before you initialize it. And if I were to be doing a pit manure right here right now, now, from what we're looking at, I don't think I would have done it, um, only because it's not that I think that their car would have got out of control and hit somebody. I think hitting, pitting them would have been fine. I worry about the error that I may make on my own vehicle and I may go into my partner to the right, or that the two civilian vehicles there to the right and with me on this.
Speaker 4:It's what's the offense to begin with. What type of ruckus are we going to go through to take somebody to jail for something that's probably at max? And I mean it's a lot of money? But $1,200 for probably a cell phone? I can't even believe what they cost nowadays, but just just saying that it's like what are we going to go through to get that cell phone? I mean kudos, if they get it, nobody gets hurt, but it's it's. It's a big game of chance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's a good point to make. John Barker said damn that's a lot of Um.
Speaker 2:So I mean he's, he's thinking along the same lines as us. Uh, alan, what do you think? There's a lot of uh unknowns there. You know, if that vehicle spins out the wrong way, you've got a lot of people that are going to be a part of this thing. That um weren't invited to the party.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Um, those cars have been known. Depending on the speeds and how you pit them, they can go over the middle barrier, Um, so they could go into oncoming traffic. That has happened. And then the other part is that state troopers' car could get temporarily or permanently latched on. That has happened to the suspect vehicle, which will throw them out of control. So these are just things to consider. But man, oh oh oh, Banning just crushed an animal. It sounds like.
Speaker 3:What the?
Speaker 4:fuck, was that Banning? It's not me, it's mine.
Speaker 2:I have two Mastiffs that came running into the house.
Speaker 3:Thank you, Alan yeah.
Speaker 1:He was standing up.
Speaker 4:But your poker face on that was frigging awesome man I had no clue it was coming from you.
Speaker 1:I thought it was coming from Bannon. That's hilarious, so I'm going to keep playing. It's getting rough, actually. Pit pit, pit, pit to pin positive pressure against the vehicle. What I mean by positive pressure? When a police vehicle touches the front or rear bumper of a car, we don't have positive pressure yet. We have to get it to just slightly rock either forward or backwards, and that prevents that vehicle from being able to engage, reverse or drive.
Speaker 1:After going through something like this, it's more than likely stalled out, unless it's like a high-performance vehicle. So positive pressure. When we get up against them, then they're not going to be able to take off. Um, so it's a really good technique, all right. So in this it isn't just. You have to be overly aggressive in these scenarios, and here's the reason why. Their fight or flight could cause them to run into oncoming traffic, which she looks like she was willing to do. So you had a chance to catch this person and distribute overwhelming force to prevent them from either injuring oncoming traffic on the freeway, traveling 65, 70 miles an hour, or injuring herself.
Speaker 4:So let's talk about the rubberneckers for a second coming in that opposite. There's no law enforcement providing any cover in the lane that they're in. If nobody caught that, he went over that guardrail. Now he is open and they're such a small object when they're coming up with all these overhead emergency lights on. People are looking over at that and a lot of people don't know that. But when you're looking to the left, you're being a rubberneck and, oh my god, what's going on? Your wheel is also going to the left and they're in that freaking inside lane and, yeah, be catastrophic. Drop of a hat man. So yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2:Um. You know you've said it multiple times on different shows about, you know, taking the aggression and not letting the aggression be taken to you. But I think you have to do that in the language we use too, because how many of these people do we know that are just listening to some soft pop rock? You know that you have to use words that are going to get their attention very abruptly. Sometimes people are like I can't believe you just cussed them out. But I tell you, if I say, hey, please stop doing that, they're not going to listen to you. You have to use the language that they use.
Speaker 1:Yes, and it's important for officers to especially younger officers, because I deal with this personally. I try to tell people hey, I don't mind, I know it's against general orders that you swore, but I need you to own it, I need you to put it in your report. Hey, I swore at this person Because if you don't put it in there, it's going to sound like you're trying to hide something. Put it in there but say why you did it. You know why. You just don't know why. That's the problem. A lot of people curse and you don't understand why you're doing it. Here's why you're doing it.
Speaker 1:You know that if you tried to use regular language or let's say you tried to use regular language earlier and it wasn't working you escalated your language to try to prevent a use of force. You needed to wake that person up because regular speech was not working. So I escalated my language and now put that in report. I told them to get on the ground. Get on the fucking ground. Why did you do that? Well, because I didn't want to have to go hands-on. So it was my last ditch effort to get them to comply without me having to go hands-on the regular language was used at the rub and tug, or rub and dub car wash wherever they're at.
Speaker 1:I don't think it was called the rub and tug. Sir, what kind of car wash are you going to banning?
Speaker 2:uh, you know when you're up in Boston, those things.
Speaker 1:Now I get it You're no longer a full-fledged deputy.
Speaker 4:It was an old agency reference that I used to work into. It's what those guys ended up calling that car wash.
Speaker 1:So 2 o'clock in the morning you wouldn't find people washing cars. Soldier American on YouTube said Good eveninging Eric Banning and Alan, don't steal anything in Atlanta, georgia. Absolutely. I'm going to keep playing. I think this is pretty much winding up, but let's see what happens.
Speaker 3:Put your hands on your back. Put your hands on your back, let's go. Let's fucking go, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't mind a little celebratory wrangling of this bad guy. Is it professional? Maybe not, but they're going, let's fucking go. Good pit, good pit, and they ain't even got the cuffs on yet. Good pit, good pit, and they ain't even got the cuffs on yet. Listen, I am all about cops having fun while doing their job and nobody's hurt. And she's not hurt. End of the day, on the scoreboard when you look at it no other cars wrecked out, it was just her. Was it risky? Yes, was it worth for a stolen cell phone.
Speaker 4:No, not in my opinion. I don't believe. So let's talk about what the pulse is of these officers for what they just went through, the pulse of the person eluding the officers, excitedness, truly, for the people that have never done something like law enforcement or the military. Think of the scariest roller coaster you've been on and keep going down that scary drop over and over and over and, over and over again, and then your body, eventually, just it, crashes yeah are they?
Speaker 2:and they won't even remember what they just said.
Speaker 1:I mean they'll have to be shown yeah, it's probably excited utterance um, just in the moment, um, which it it? I said it when it happened. I was like that was a perfect pit, that was like textbook. It did that car, like I said, stuck to the wall, didn't have anybody else get involved, and that state patrol car just kept driving straight through, which which is exactly how it should work as long as you got the right backup.
Speaker 1:So it worked. But damn if it didn't. And that's where. That's where police work is always playing a fine line and Perry Lemley just said she may have injured the old lady who she stole the phone from Always possible. I'm trying to avoid speculation, I'm only going off of what we see and what the title is Police catch woman accused of stealing cell phone from elderly woman. You're absolutely right. Could have been a robbery. Could have been she beat the shit out of her for the phone. We don't know. She may be wanted and known. Maybe a known person for the phone. We don't know. She may be wanted and known. Maybe a known person for violent offenses. We don't know.
Speaker 1:Based on what we know, based on what we see, I am telling you I would not have approved a pit here. I would not have approved chasing. I would have said no, let her go. That's me. It doesn't mean I'm right, I'm just telling you from my perspective, over a stolen cell phone, nope, we'll figure out who it is. I got that much faith in our detectives I think they'll figure it out. So that's just me. It doesn't mean I'm right. Hr 150-160.
Speaker 4:Heart rate 150-160.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was like I don't know what law that is, he's a paramedic man.
Speaker 4:He used to be a cop, now he's a paramedic.
Speaker 1:HR 150, 160. Man, my heart rate when I'm jacked is like 170 to 190.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's me All right. I think we've pretty much now the fallout. They fall out. But what we would do from here is you're going to block off the freeway for the wrecked out vehicle. Probably only need to block one lane on this one, the fast lane. Get FD out there, block that truck or use the truck to block.
Speaker 1:And then from there you'll divert all the traffic past. You Get this person hooked up. You're going to have to get her back over the wall. If there's not a patrol car right there on the other side, get them back there, search her and that's really it.
Speaker 4:And this is also a major use of force for those that don't understand. It's not like the movies, like these guys aren't going to get off in 20 minutes and go high five. There is so much paperwork that comes.
Speaker 1:I mean minutes and go high five there is so much paperwork that comes.
Speaker 4:I mean, they got a document, the crash scene, all the, all the pictures that are going to occur. That's a good point, yeah, and all narratives and supplements from the additional officers that were on scene yeah, it's not so much a use of force because they took her to the ground.
Speaker 1:That's just a basic take down they didn't even. I wouldn't even say they slammed her to the ground, just used her own. She was. She was kind of going there once she knew she was busted. They did great. They didn't strike her. They didn't do any of that. But what Banning's getting to is the pit maneuver.
Speaker 4:In a lot of states that's like us using an ASP. It's at that level. On their use of continuous continuum, so they have to document and articulate very, very well. Was it used inappropriately? Obviously, it's within their scope and the state that they're in right there.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely, we're going to go to the next video. Again, I encourage everybody if you've got questions, if you are watching the video and you're like no, no, no, fuck, they are wrong, say it, talk. This is our part, this is what we like to do. The interaction with you guys in the audience is what makes us so fun and worth it, and you guys may be able to share a perspective that we, as law enforcement, haven't considered, and you may single-handedly be able to change the training in the way that law enforcement works, because I promise you, if you give me an idea or a perspective that I hadn't considered, I am going to take that as far as I can. I'm going to make videos. I'm going to present it to my own department.
Speaker 1:I have said this Banning. You tell me if this has happened with you. Since you've been a more regular part of this, I have literally become a better cop. Because of starting the podcast stuff I have in the videos that we have done, I have been able to base myself a little bit more. I've been able to change and talk to people a little bit different, simply from doing this.
Speaker 4:Yep, yeah, danny wasn't listening to me, no the're the past 10 seconds I couldn't hear you at all, oh yeah, sorry about that I didn't know if you were pausing. You said banning if you and it went blank and I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, waiting must be your, uh, your crappy freaking hotel yeah, my little horizon wi-fi thing I got set up.
Speaker 1:Oh, where are you staying at? By the way, I think this is Hilton. I was going to say you look like a Hilton Marriott type guy.
Speaker 4:Actually no, this one is a Marriott, it's easy.
Speaker 1:Element Hotel. Yes, alright, let's go on to the next video here. Biggie size, Viewer discretion advised. Again, this is from Police Activity. Okay, you can't hear anything right now. Typically just for those wondering why you have muted time, it's because when we hit record on the cameras it's getting the previous 30 seconds, 60 seconds before we ever hit record. So that's why it's not that it doesn't 60 seconds before we ever hit record. So that's why it's not that it doesn't record as soon as we hit it it's you start getting sound the moment that we actually hit play. So you're getting the previous 30 to 60 seconds.
Speaker 1:All right, looks like we're doing some sort of traffic stop. Maybe I'm going to rewind real quick. I just I want to see what we saw here. I see a green light. Oh, travel over to double yellow lines. Did you guys see that? Yep, that's what I saw. So maybe that's what drew the attention of the officer. All right, we've missed Peter.
Speaker 1:Okay, so just from what I've seen, I would have DWI Like that's the first thing. That, or distracted driving with a cell phone. Either way, this person's a danger, immediate danger to the public in the way that they're driving. So I am automatically, even as a supervisor. I'm going if you tell me what you saw. And this is what you saw on these desolate roads. There's nobody out here. I'm going to approve in a pursuit for this one. On these desolate roads. There's nobody out here. I'm going to approve in a pursuit for this one. There, I'm going to open it Kind of narrate. Just a tiny picture. They are oh, we got a partner right here. They put their hazards on. That's an odd behavior. So there seems to be this thing where people think like if I turn my hazards on, I can pull over wherever I want.
Speaker 4:Well, that's to get out of a jail car and then go all the way back onto their driveway, and then they can't be touched Right yeah, you made it to base. That's right. My mom's coming out. Everything's okay.
Speaker 1:You like that? I've never heard of that. I okay, I'm sorry I'm pausing again. I will say this If you do turn your hazards on and you slow down, I'm going to give you, as a cop, the benefit of the doubt that you're trying to look for a safe place to pull over. However, if I feel like you're in a safe place, I'm going to start getting over to the loudspeaker hey, pull over now. And you better pull over now, otherwise I'm going to suspect something else is going on. Alright, it looks like we're trying to pit. Does that look like they made contact there? So it's very low speed. I can't. I'm looking on the camera. I can't see what speed they're going. Doesn't appear to be too quick. But, um, they've been lights and sirens on for long enough that this person should be pulling over. Perry lemley said dui. That's a what? Um? Drunk? Uh, what's DUI? Dwi, driver under the influence. Under the influence there's driving while under the influence. There are so many different ones in different states.
Speaker 3:Yep, okay, they did pick Good kind of pick Positive.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know what I was seeing? That is a subaru wrx. That's an all-wheel drive, four-wheel drive, very fast, very fast, a very well-handled vehicle. So I don't know what's about to happen, but I can tell you that if that car decides to run, you are in over your head with these SUVs they've got, because that car can move Guess how. I know Because I've had two of them. I love WRXs. They're one of my favorite vehicles.
Speaker 1:I had a 2017 WRX, and then I got the 2019 STI, and then my kids got into camping and fishing and all that. So then I got a truck.
Speaker 4:So for a year I had a little two-door Honda Civic Type R and then I realized I can't fit in this car. But it was a fast little car. I mean it was a fun little car.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, You're way too big for that car. You're too big for a WRX. To be honest, You're a truck guy. It's got to be a diesel or nothing for you, buddy. I usually sit in the bed.
Speaker 2:What are you driving?
Speaker 4:Alan, I'm an excursion guy. Oh good, I think the last year they made that was 2005, right yeah bro. How many times?
Speaker 1:has your catalytic converter been stolen?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't have one.
Speaker 4:I knew it. He's in a non-emission county man.
Speaker 2:My prior career, I was a diesel mechanic. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Before I decided to become a cop. I didn't become a police officer until I was 27. And so up until that point I worked on car. I actually worked for the city of Lubbock fleet services, so I put all the cop cars together several years nice police cars.
Speaker 1:I'm curious. Okay, never mind, I'm curious why such a such an? But you know he's been. It makes sense, I'm okay with it. I would be doing the same thing. Show me your hands, show me your hands. He's not giving a compliant response right now. So for me, I actually really like the angle that that officer's at right now. I don't know that I would move any more farther, uh, towards the passenger door. Yeah, I really like this angle. That's a good spot to be in. Um pravis just said uh, I love my VE GTI, but moving to Michigan has been in the garage too much.
Speaker 4:Hey, I'm from.
Speaker 1:Michigan brother, I understand he meant Volkswagen GTI. He moved over.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go back real quick. I feel like he just tried to do a two-side by-counter move. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, that's exactly what he did. So he's trying to present his hands as though they're a gun. He made his hands into a gun, like Charlie's Angels style for those listening and tried to show them at the officer that I was talking about. That had a good angle. The problem is it was probably hard for that officer to see just from all the lights and the angle that he was at. So I'm kind of leaning towards this as a suicide by cop type thing.
Speaker 2:The officer on the right did a good job about moving away from being, you know, getting away from his vehicle. Yep, you're going to get shot. Put your hands up now. Put your hands up. Put your hands up.
Speaker 1:Watch. Put your hands up.
Speaker 4:yep, that's a bad move hey, go to that other view, eric. Back it up in seconds to where we get our fat faces off of this up to the right. Uh, just so we can actually see the occupants in the vehicle.
Speaker 1:We try that okay, yeah, you're having a hard time. See, he's trying to show his hands like a gun. Oh yeah, so from here it, that may be something to call out if you saw it. I I'm not going to speak for this officer. He we have a great view here from this camera. That doesn't mean he sees it. But, um, my vibrator way is suicide by cop is what he's going for. And then, um, any furtive movement uh, it's a common word that I don't even know if it's a real word. Is furtive a real word?
Speaker 4:it actually is, is it?
Speaker 1:okay I never I never heard law's dictionary word okay, never heard of it until I became a cop. And then I'm like is that like our word or is that a real word? So affirmative movement, meaning digging around, starts moving around in a way that makes it suspect for us. So he does start digging around in the backseat. So he's surrounded. Officer's trying to open the door, wants to break the window.
Speaker 3:Put your hands up. Put your hands up now. Freezer, 8 shots fired. Hey, can we break a window? Oh jeez, put your hands up, put your hands up now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't even see in that damn window. So there's going to be a lot of people have a problem with that. You didn't see a gun, but you, I don't have to wait, it's no different. It's no different than somebody squaring up and balling up their fist and clenching their chin, clenching their jaw, and I see all of these things and I know this person's about to hit me. I don't have to wait for them to swing. I'm going to take them down or hit them or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:This is the same thing. It is not reasonable. Any reasonable and prudent person that is surrounded by police that just pit maneuvered your car, that are in full uniform, lights and sirens, red and blues, telling you show me your hands, show me your hands, show me your hands. It is not reasonable for you to start digging around in a quick-like manner in the backseat, ignoring orders, and then expect these officers not to use their handguns. They can't see. You guys just saw on the window, the lights, the darked-out tint, the fact that he used his hands as pistols. You don't know.
Speaker 4:Let me give an analogy that I think some of the people watching will understand.
Speaker 4:I believe probably most of the people in this room have seen Gran Torino, a movie by Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 4:There's a scene in that movie when he pulls up in his truck and you've got the producers are trying to show that you got three street thugs and you have the female that's Clint Eastwood's neighbor, kind of harassing her, pushing her around and he gets out and he reaches in his pocket and pulls out his finger really quick in the movie and they're like, oh, that's just a finger. And they said old man, you better get out of here. And he does it again and pulls out that freaking 1911 45 and but the reaction is what these officers are getting. If we don't know what's truly going on in the car, what these officers are saying, he may be trying, like you're saying, suicide by cop reaching down, pulling that finger up, and just you know he's had it with life and he's trying to get these cops to kill him and I think that's kind of what's going on here. So people have watched Gran Torino. That, I believe, is what's going through at least one or two of these officers' minds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Alan, you got anything to add on this one bud.
Speaker 2:I'd agree. I mean, there's so much that we're not seeing to know what they're actually shooting at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think we get more body counts when we're made yeah. So John Barker said trigger happy question mark. I don't believe so in this, from what I've seen so far. And then nobody jump on John. He's asking a legitimate question and I think in this instance based on, like I said, where they were at the lights and sirens, all of those factors, like I said, you have to think through the lens of a reasonable and prudent person.
Speaker 1:A reasonable and prudent person would not do everything that we have seen. When you've got a fully uniformed officer several of them red and blues got a fully uniformed officer several of them red and blues telling you what to do, what to do, trying to get you to pull over, and you refuse to do it, they pit, maneuver your car, spin you out and you're still not going to listen. You can't say you couldn't hear. There were no sirens going at the time. Your windows are down, they're surrounding you, they got guns pointed at you that you can clearly see. So a reasonable and prudent person is not going to continue to do what this guy did.
Speaker 2:First off, what's a reasonable, prudent person going to do when lights and sirens get lit up on a traffic stop? I mean, every one of us. It doesn't matter if we are the cop, we all go. Oh, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hucker factor. Everybody Like son of a what did?
Speaker 2:I do. You know, that's the immediate like and if you knew it, you did it's son. I'm an idiot, yeah, Yep.
Speaker 1:And Ozark Moon said. This is one of many reasons there are window tint laws in most places, and I'm one of those guys. I don't know if I'm unique in law enforcement, but, being in Texas, coming from Michigan, I love tint. Yes, and I'm going to tell you right now I am a big supporter of no regulations on tint. No regulations on tint. What I'm big supporter of is, when I pull you over, maybe we should make it so that the law states just like you know you're supposed to pull over to the right-hand side, you should also roll down your windows. That should just be the standard.
Speaker 4:Fun fact in Texas, if you go to your eye optometrist and the sun hurts your eyes, you can get an exemption. Now, it's a medical. I mean it's got to be just. Oh hey, doc, the sun hurts my eyes, but at least they do cover that here. So under a medical basis you can't have that.
Speaker 4:And everybody. I'm going to tell you in 21 years everybody I stopped that had that exemption. I don't know if they had a talk with DPS or whoever when they got it. They have always rolled those windows all the way down and I have never initiated a traffic stop based on just window tint. It's something else in the traffic code or other stuff. It's always rolled all the way down and I've never felt.
Speaker 1:Especially me as a cop who's primarily worked most of my career on midnights, and I still I'm not. It isn't your tint that concerns me, it's that you're not listening. Yes, because if your tint is that bad, before I've approached your car I'm already hailing on the loudspeaker. Hey, roll your windows down for me, just letting you know, and they will. It's never really been an issue. Um, when they don't, I don't go up there, call other cops. Hey, I need somebody over here.
Speaker 4:Stew's not rolling on your side at your scene, make sure everybody goes home perspective, guys.
Speaker 1:It doesn't mean we're right. Yep, um, john barker said have 20 percent uh around on my ss camaro, but other states are different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're absolutely right I I live right next door to I'm in texas, but I'm 20 minutes from new mexico and so all of the people are traveling to go to lawwick, and in new mexico you can spray paint your windows black and uh, so it's, you know, pick of the pick of the car coming by you. You can pull them over because uh usually it's the windshields covered, uh, that gets them pulled over. Yeah, our troops a baddie.
Speaker 1:Betty said uh, vegas needs tint, but they have uv blocking stuff that's not too dark. Um, cool, I. I. I'm not gonna pretend to know exactly, I just want the heat to stay out. That's the big thing. I don't know if the uv blocking helps as well with the heat.
Speaker 4:So this new truck I got eric, it's all legal. I didn't go and get a, but I on the front window I got that new clear tent, so it's completely texas legal. It's get it. But on the front window I got that new clear tent, so it's really Texas legal. It's a clear tent that goes in the front but it's blocking 90-something percent so it saves the dash. But the big thing is in Texas when I go open up the big door on my frigging GMC 2500 now it's probably 30 to 40 degrees cooler now because I have that front window with that clear tent that's blocking all the uv rays from coming in and that dude cools down a heck of a lot faster, really okay, it's good to know it's it's amazing.
Speaker 4:Most tent shops do it now it's it's probably 100 to 200 bucks depending on the style of car you have, but it's so worth it. It's clear and it takes all the UV out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it sounds like Betty is with you. And then David Edmonston said still got to be hard on the officers mentally. Oh, absolutely, I agree with you. Trust me, I don't like dealing with tint. It sucks when I do a traffic stop and I can't see shit, you know, and most people's instinct is to roll down the driver's window they're not thinking to roll down all the rest of them and you have to like walk up there and you're like, fuck, should I just loud hailed it? And you're like, oh, it's just traffic confidence that I pulled him over for. And you, you do you battle in your head as a cop. You're like, should I have said something? And by the time that happens too late, you're already up there and then you're behind the beach.
Speaker 4:That's my case, man. I mean we're going to pick that approach. Yep, you know, and it's tough on those to do a passenger approach sometimes when the passenger approach is a lot safer. And sometimes you, you gotta get on the PA system and I've done it and I don't feel bad about doing it. Hey, do me a favor, roll down all your windows. Usually when I get out of the car and they see me, they see that I'm a really nice big teddy bear and they're not gonna cause any harm, and they'll roll them all down for me and I don't have an issue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was gonna say. Most of the time, anytime I've asked them to roll their windows down, it hasn't been an issue, and the times that it is an issue, there's already something more there and I've already figured it out. I may not have known exactly what it is, but I've already figured out. Something else is going on, so, but let's keep going.
Speaker 4:Okay, look at that view. So I think that's the pit officer's view, correct?
Speaker 1:That is. That is I'm not sure. I know that that's the one that I said has a good angle. You can't see a fucking thing. So he had no clue that that guy was in there doing, you know, the Charlie's Angel fingers towards him. He had no idea. Guy was in there doing, you know, the Charlie's Angel fingers towards him.
Speaker 3:He had no idea. Hands up, hands up, hands up, put your hands up, hands up, keep them up.
Speaker 1:He may. Even though the camera shows that he can't see, he may be able to see with his eyes here, because we know that window's down.
Speaker 3:Do not move Hands up, you're going to get shot. Put your hands up now.
Speaker 1:I'm going to guess that he has a good view here. We can hear him trying to start the car again.
Speaker 3:Put your hands up. Can I just get your hands up as I walk in the door.
Speaker 1:Put your hands up. Can I just hit your hands?
Speaker 3:up as I walk in the door. Put your hands up.
Speaker 1:So there's the view we can tell. We can see the driver. Put your hands up now. I'm okay with that. That body cam footage seals the deal. For me, from what he can see, that is not reasonable. The guy was trying to start the car up. He wasn't listening, he did all that crap that he was doing. This officer was on top of the passenger side window and this guy starts reaching into the back seat. Sorry.
Speaker 4:Yep, and fun fact on Subarus, and you probably know as well, eric if it detects it's actually in a crash, a collision, it shuts that fuel off. So it sucks if your car is still drivable. The computer in the car will actually shut that fuel pump down until a mechanic goes in there and clears it from Subaru.
Speaker 1:Nice A baddie. Betty said I've been asked to roll down all windows. Second officer had a whole conversation with my toddler. I was like it's a good stop, uh. So yeah, on this one, um, I'm okay with this, with this shoot, um, based on what we have, and uh, I give you guys my reason. I told you, um, it seems like everybody on the board here is okay with it as well. Let's go on to the next video.
Speaker 4:It sucks that it had to happen?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Shitty, and I'm curious to know why. Like what this dude's deal was, but you never know what somebody's going through All right.
Speaker 1:Let's biggie size this. This says suspect attempts to light a I'm going to assume that means bomb while running from officers. So that's the title. Let's see what happens. Maybe going 10 miles an hour at best. Okay, things to consider as we're dealing with this. Traffic on the other side of the freeway is at a dead stop just about. There's a lot of backdrop, so firing your gun is going to be an issue. However, on your side of the freeway, there is not a damn thing around.
Speaker 4:Is this a pit. Did he just make contact with that bumper? Oh yeah, he's pitting that bumper.
Speaker 1:Okay, very slow, very slow pit here. I would have guessed it would have been pursued for a while when they spiked the tires.
Speaker 4:Probably have all the lanes blocked off.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 4:The reason is that it was a first.
Speaker 2:I think the tires are gone too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they spiked the tires.
Speaker 2:I don't see, so he's still rolling. I had come to a couple slow pits but not really going quick enough on the slide out or anything.
Speaker 1:Okay. So going through my head, just based on the way that this guy's acting is, the longer this goes on, just based on the way that this guy's acting, the longer this goes on, the less likely I believe that this person is armed with a gun. It doesn't mean I'm right, I'm just telling you based on my experience from stuff like this. So it's not that I'm taking that off the table, but there hasn't been any shots fired out the back window, nothing like that.
Speaker 4:I was going to say look at the analytics on that, when they usually do, and that's their mo modus operandi. For those who don't know who that is they're going to use that pretty quick on.
Speaker 1:It doesn't mean it's always right right, but you're going to use that pretty soon yeah, so that's just me, so I might try to pit the shit out of this thing. Here we go, here we go. All right, funny, though You've got to put them down. This must be the path, man. What are we looking at here? Okay, at least do say. Here's what I want to point out everybody that's like cops are just looking to whoop ass. Nobody whooping ass here. It's a takedown, and this is a body pressure.
Speaker 4:Let me look at the uniforms. You probably got state, county and maybe municipal that's in this and they're all working together as a team to end this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. Marine Blood said and I'm back, he's doing well and whatever pain meds they gave him are working well, better than usual, excellent, glad to hear it, brother. I love doing what we're doing here, but let's talk about the things that are important as long as family's doing well, man, good to hear Marine Blood. Appreciate it, bro. Appreciate your service too. Ozark Moon said good news. Marine Betty said good news. Marine Blood, december 5, brother Hell yeah, david.
Speaker 1:Edmondson said good news Marine Blood December 5,. Brother, hell yeah. David Edmondson said shouldn't someone choose to clear the vehicle? I'm going to guess that this has been going on a minute Just based on my experience, and they know he's the only one in that vehicle.
Speaker 4:Marine Blood said take down with Chris Hansen. That's good stuff, man, Good stuff. Have a seat over here. My name is Chris Hansen.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, yeah. Why don't you have a seat? Why don't you have a seat? Alright, let's see you go. Yeah, don't kick it boys, let's just kick that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, sarge fucking sarge.
Speaker 1:So we got this. This is why you let your patrol guys handle that shit throw it over there behind the tree, it's all right Also let's not tell everybody else what he's kicking, so we can worry about that. Yeah, I love that. He's like yeah, buckle, ied, fuck it, sarge. He's like fuck it, get it out of here, god damn it Sarge.
Speaker 4:We'll be 10-8-0-3 on that one.
Speaker 1:My guys, they'll tell me stuff and they're like yeah, sarge, we got this charging done. I'm like, oh, we can, yeah, and I'm looking and I'm like what the? Fuck charge, is that? I don't even know what they're talking about anymore. Oh shit.
Speaker 1:So much different shit out there. A LinkedIn user said I User said IED improvised explosive device. If I didn't, sorry, the smoke wagon's hitting me. Boys Got the younger. Oh, that's what I was going to say earlier.
Speaker 1:So I went to the store and I was looking for smoke wagon, of course, and I saw they had their Halloween edition, which is just their basic bottom of the barrel, which is delicious, by the way. I don't want to act like their bottom of the barrel is bad, but their $35 bottle is their Halloween edition right now, so it glows in the dark. It's pretty cool. And then I saw that they had a new thing that I never had before. So I grabbed it. And I grabbed the wrong fucking bottle because I wasn't paying attention, and I grabbed the younger, which I'm used to, which is delicious. It's like one of probably my favorite part, uh, our favorite flavor they have and, um, but they use the same damn color on the label. So I got confused. But is what it is? And then, uh, I'm reading through the comments. Sorry, bad betty said uh, don't kick it. Yeah, it's probably good advice. Do not kick ieds. Um, you're probably not supposed to use your radio around them. You know, 500 feet, or?
Speaker 4:more. Let's talk about proper policy on this. I mean you're gonna call on a team, you're gonna cordon off the highway, get everybody to exit. Let freaking ATF somebody that's got a unit some large agencies do come out bomb squad, deal with it correctly so nobody gets hurt. I mean we can sit here and joke all day long about it, but we do know the proper procedures to get rid of something like this, so nobody gets hurt.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, yep, don't pick it up, don't lick it, don't do any of that shit Clear the suspect really quickly and get Tobiah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, and it does not hurt guys to ask them what the fuck is it, what's it made out of, what's it got in it? Start asking them questions, yep, and if he's holding something else electric in his hand, you know the conversation is going to go deeper and get everybody away from that frigging thing. So Aaron's out of caution.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to play the rest of the clock. See what we do. Nobody seems to be in the way let's go, let's go, let's go there, we go boys.
Speaker 3:Did he pick it up? Maybe, Maybe Call the bomb squad.
Speaker 1:He threw out an explosive device. He's trying to light it. Okay, maybe he didn't. It looked like he picked it up, but maybe he's picking up something that dropped off of him. Okay, let's go to the next one here. Share this tab. Biggie size Viewer discretion advised. Again, guys, we are using Police Activity YouTube channel. They're just the shit lately. All right.
Speaker 4:That's not Biggie size, maybe it's texas size texas, sorry, I'm used to mcdonald's. I don't think they're allowed to say that anymore right okay, calm down.
Speaker 3:Everything's everything's being recorded okay, it looks like we just showed up to some sort of domestic. I couldn't tell if they were. Everything's being recorded.
Speaker 1:Okay, it looks like we just showed up to some sort of domestic. I couldn't tell if they were speaking English or not. It sounded maybe Spanish at first, I couldn't tell. But the whole it's being recorded. That is definitely a policy thing at this department that you have to let them know. But let's keep going. Alright, somebody just called out careful, careful. He's got a weapon, so immediately I'm drawing my gun. I don't care who says it Could be a civilian, could be another cop Drawing my gun, banning. What do you think?
Speaker 4:I don't know. I mean right now, it's way too early, way too early in it to be able to be able to tell so yeah, soldier.
Speaker 1:American said we were talking about biggie size earlier and he said you mean banning size.
Speaker 2:But you know every, every scenario we run into. Uh, is this not what it looks like when you come walking up in the chaos, that you don't know what's going on? You know the guys got the dog running around and then you know.
Speaker 1:Ozark moons. Can that be made bigger? Yep, it can. I can take the chat off. I can make it bigger for you. Shut up, guys. I'll start with some units priority Okay, absolutely perfect. That's exactly what I would have done. Show up to scene. Somebody's yelling he's got a weapon. He's got a weapon. Yeah, call for backup. Hold the air. And what we mean by hold the air is like anybody can chime up on the radio from all over your side of town or whatever you got. When you tell them to hold the air, it prevents other sides of town or anybody else from getting on. That's not on the scene. Hey, hey, drop that noise. You heard there that duty, duty, duty, duty. That's good. That is closing the show.
Speaker 4:Good shit man.
Speaker 3:Good shit, that is them closing the channel.
Speaker 1:Good shit, man, oh man. I should be a ventriloquist or something. So that is what they're doing here closing the channel to let everybody know stay the fuck off the radio why did every one of us perk up when that happened?
Speaker 4:I know right and then and then, every 30 seconds you're going to hear somebody say channel open yeah, yeah, yeah, probably traffic.
Speaker 1:No is the channel open click, click, click click, click. I'm sorry for those that don't get the joke.
Speaker 1:It's just one of those frustrating things, and I can't even demonstrate it without you being there and living in the moment. Okay, so for me I'm this officer right here. I like the idea of keeping a light on him. If I had a weapon-mounted light on my pistol, I would abandon the handheld flashlight and go to that. I love that he's shirtless. That usually helps us out quite a bit, and I can't tell if he's got a weapon right now or not. But I'm going to keep him between me and everybody else. I'm sorry, I'm going to keep him between that car and everybody else. I'm sorry, I'm going to keep him between that car and everybody else.
Speaker 1:Drop the knife. He's saying specifically, so he sees it. He's telling him drop the knife, so he sees what this guy is holding. It ain't just any weapon, it's a knife. That's a deadly weapon.
Speaker 5:Drop the knife King 12,. I got one at gunpoint with a knife. Drop the knife King 12,. I got one at gunpoint with a knife. Drop the knife.
Speaker 1:We're well within the 21-foot rule. This is an old old-school. It's not a real rule. For anybody listening that hears 21-foot rule, it's not a real rule. It's a guideline. What do you mean? It's a 1998 guideline.
Speaker 1:Yeah, technically, I think what we're working off of now is 35 to 41 foot is the idea, and what that means is that is how quickly this person can close the distance to you and get you with that knife, stab you before you can get off one shot from a holstered weapon. So our guy is punched out. Now he has his flashlight. I'm sorry he does have a weapon mounted light, I can see it. So he needs this is part of the. His OODA loop is going crazy right now because I bet he's amped up a little bit.
Speaker 4:You can tell he's holding a flashlight with one hand and got the weapon in the other. Yep.
Speaker 1:So that goes into training guys. You need to be used to that weapons light.
Speaker 5:Drop the knife. Put the knife on the ground. Put it on the ground. Drop the knife. Put it on the ground. Drop.
Speaker 1:Okay. So he's bleeding from the eye. He's not listening to commands. He is, I'm going to say, within six feet. He is very, very close. He has a knife in his hand. He is not listening to a uniformed officer. He's giving clear commands, but again, I don't know if he speaks English. Couldn't tell, could be a problem. But does that mean that has to be your problem?
Speaker 4:No, Well, I think the gun and the light and the police presence, the sirens and everything. I think it's a little bit of a universal language. Maybe, if you're holding a weapon with a reasonable and prudent person, regardless of the language, may want to drop the weapon. I mean that's and I'm not being a dick, but yeah, that's, that's the reality here, alan even uh, what we little bit of spanish we learned in law enforcement.
Speaker 2:If you can't, you know, make him understand that he is at gunpoint in a different language than you know. I think we've already crossed that line for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, this is. I am not going to lie boys, I may have already pulled the damn trigger on this. I'm with you on that, because you've got citizens. He's walking right at the citizens that were across the street. What?
Speaker 4:you're saying was just a loop. Yeah, I'm not talking shit about the agency, but what has the officer maybe had an issue with, or training, or something like that? He's like I'm not going to let that happen again, but now you're going to have other people involved and you have a fucking responsibility. Does it suck? Is he going to stick with you for the rest of your career? Yes, but guess what you sworn to do it. Let's get the job done, yeah now.
Speaker 2:Well, you, you don't know what's already happened before we got here. I mean, you show up and you have a car that's got this whole back window. You were called to this house for a reason. Something's escalated and now this guy's not listening to you with a knife. I mean there's a whole totality of everything that's going on yeah.
Speaker 1:John barker said six times he's been asked to drop the knife. I would pull my gun. And then dave edmondson said I'm expecting rounds, so I, I'm with you. I am telling you right now and this is just, I'm not only based on what I've seen like right here is the moment I'm not letting my line in the sand is the front of this truck, because I know there's people behind me and myself. So I think I have a lot more latitude when I know it's just me, but when it's other people.
Speaker 1:My latitude is very, very limited.
Speaker 2:Well and when training-wise. Something we don't think about is terrain, and as he's backpedaling, this guy's coming at you. There's a curb there. And now he's just adding some other issues that could come, and now that he keeps backing up and you get past that truck, there's so many unknowns. He's getting close to other people.
Speaker 1:One of the most deadliest things and this is for the audience, if you're not aware of this of police is backing straight up. Backing offline is one thing, backing at an angle, things like that that is how officers stay safe. Stay offline, stay off. The X is one of the common things that we're told, but when you back straight up, that's where you get into trouble. Now this officer appears to be going off of the X, but for me, like I said, if you can see my mouse, I'm going to say this tire is going to be my line in the sand, because I know there's people back here so I can't let them get any farther, otherwise I'm shooting towards those people. Drop the knife. Drop the knife.
Speaker 3:Woo.
Speaker 2:Shots fired.
Speaker 3:Shots fired. Shots fired.
Speaker 1:Now, everybody's different For me and this is not a money Okay, I want to really preface this Banning Allen. I more than likely Would have just fired once, just to see the reaction and see what I get. That's me, but I don't disagree With what he's doing either. So I'm going to give you what I get. That's me, but I don't disagree with what he's doing either. I'm going to give you what I personally would have done, but I'm going to give you also what he did. That's how you're trained.
Speaker 4:He's falling back to training. What people don't understand is when we're at that firing line and that basic firearms instructor is teaching us the very basic to make sure we go home at night and make sure the citizens go home at night. And I hate to use this terminology for public, but it's two in the body and one in the grave.
Speaker 4:If they're going to hurt somebody, we're doing two in the body and one in the grave, and that's exactly how I was trained in the Marine Corps too, and when I say grave, I mean head, and I hate to. I'm not trying to give anybody any frigging PTS over watching this stuff, but you have got to turn off the neurons, you've got to shut it down to where he doesn't get that knife into somebody, and I hate to say that, but you have to end that. You've got to stop that motion right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Alan, what do you think, man? I think you got. You know, if you listen to that first fire, and then there was a pause and then there was three more right after it. I think he got sucked into. You know what was happening and you know he clearly probably doesn't even remember it, but it because it happened so fast.
Speaker 1:OK, from here it's hard because you're the only officer on scene, so you got to hold what you got, you got to secure the scene and then once more people get there. Then you can start rendering eight. So that's, that's kind of what the next step should be all right, hey, holster up, grab your gloves and put them in cuffs.
Speaker 1:Okay, you got somebody taking control. You got to remember, guys, if you use your weapon, that's a different thing. Nobody knows how they're going to react to that. And somebody that was able to look from the outside that I don't believe anybody else fired at the time. No, they're able to take command and control.
Speaker 4:And so our audience understands we're delivering deadly force to stop a scene right as a, as a peace officer. And now what are we doing? We're doing life saving actions, anything we can do, even though he, he didn't listen, he's a suspect, he may be guilty. On whatever counts, now we're going to do everything we can to save his life. Yep, and that's what we're trained to do. And the movies, the TV shows, they don't portray that enough. That's the last thing we want to do. When we wake up in the morning, we're like damn, I hope I get into shooting this morning. Officers that have that mentality don't last. And they get kicked out of the system, thank God, because they make us all look bad.
Speaker 1:Yep, I agree. So yeah, from here life-saving measures. I'm kind of scrubbing through. Looks like that's what they're going to do. Go to the next video here. Share this tab. Biggie size Link. There you go. Bubs, there you go, there you go. Okay, we got canine involved. I can tell, tell you right now, if I'm an officer and canines involved, I'm staying behind the canine, I'm not getting in front of it so can I explain to our audience real quick what that dog's doing what the fuck do you know about canine?
Speaker 4:banning a little bit. I mean 10 years in it, uh, anyway. So what this dog is doing right now? He's looking for what's called other than sense. Now, I don't know, because I haven't read this call, I don't know the details of it. They may have started what's called a track and that's called a ground disturbance track. So the human, we don't know this as humans, but when you step on grass and you're walking through a park and you're going through the woods, each time you break a branch, you break a blade of grass. A dog can detect that change of smell from breaking the grass in half, breaking a rose, breaking whatever foliage that's there, and he's also smelling for new scent, which is called down cone. So if he's downwind, he may get human scent that's not in a group with him and he'll alert. Now, I've never seen this video, but that's a properly trained canine and that's what they're doing with this dog.
Speaker 1:Excellent. All right, sir, keep going.
Speaker 5:He picked up a perimeter proximity alert by a fence line. We covered the fence line. We're parallel on Ashlandland, just trying to fight our way through the woods. Come on, yeah, it's right along our track, oh.
Speaker 1:There he is, all right. Looks like the dog is notifying on the car that's parked in the middle of that's good shit, man. Yeah, my pucker factor would have been through the roof knowing that the dog just hit on this car in the middle of nowhere. And so for me, because I can't see into this vehicle at all, it looks like it's been abandoned in the woods for a while and you have that moisture across all the windows.
Speaker 1:So it's worse than there is zero freaking visibility into that car so I am going to probably for me, I'm going to back off and start loud hailing. You know, get out of the vehicle. Get out of the vehicle, whatever it is. Um, if you don't, the canine is going to be released or whatever. Um, try to bluff them out of there. I shouldn't even say bluff me. I will release the damn dog if you don't sheriff's office canine.
Speaker 5:Anybody in here? Good boy, dude. Hey, get a gun barrel in there. Get a gun barrel in there. If we gotta break the window, clear this one too. Watch the crossfire.
Speaker 1:Oh my god. The Country boy mentality, I mean that's what I. The country boy mentality, I mean that's what I want to do?
Speaker 4:I want to do it on the driver's side.
Speaker 1:Country boy mentality here, Not exactly how me as a city cop would do it. But hey, understand that everybody's training is a little different. And when you're out there in the county lines and you don't have a whole lot of people, maybe I look like I'm related to that guy on the other side of the car.
Speaker 4:I was going to say hey come out, come out, come out.
Speaker 1:Yep, you had opportunity. You didn't listen. I'm going to let the fucking dog go. So, gregory Turner, I'm with you, buddy. He said I really don't like this. I don't either. They handled this very loose this is a fatal funnel.
Speaker 4:You guys hear this on TV shows and on cops. And this is a fatal funnel. It's the unknown opening that door up. You have that dog with you, you've got a firearm, you've got an officer on the other side. If shots ring out, you guys are on the other sides of the car, so both officers are firing. Understanding that friendly fire, blue on blue. Yeah, somebody could possibly get hit and it's a scary, freaking situation fucking marine blood.
Speaker 1:We're not overseas, bro. We can't throw frags over here.
Speaker 4:All right, man the convention does not, uh, do anything for us here right, crm 1174 said not crossing in front.
Speaker 1:Um, it depends, uh, I, if I can't see into any of the other windows, the front windshield is probably going to be the one that I rely on. I'm not going to cross directly in front like that guy did. I will back way off well off and try to see if I can see into it from a distance, because the windshield is probably your best shot.
Speaker 2:You're at least going to have your rifle up though.
Speaker 2:You're not going to be taking a nap with it Absolutely, like you're not going to be holding. You know, taking a nap with it Absolutely. When we're walking up to that seat, anybody that's worked with dogs the second that their indicator goes off, his ears perked up 25 feet away from that car. We knew there was something in that car. That moment should have told every officer that was in the front approach that you need to have your guns up. There's something going on. It may not have been in that car, it could have been in the woods, but you, you know, your sense of awareness has to rise yeah, fucking marine bloods.
Speaker 1:No more of the strikes either.
Speaker 4:They tend to frown on that. Here. Man Fire for effect.
Speaker 1:No, you can't do that, bro. Ozark Moon says it was juveniles, or the officers maybe a bit more too relaxed in this situation, that's, if they knew it was juveniles.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we can't even comment on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what they knew.
Speaker 2:The top says Florida deputies capture four juvenile inmates who choke guard unconscious before.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I would say probably likely. They knew it was the juveniles, then Correct, so okay. Yeah, fair, ozark, it might have been like a JDC, you might be right. They may have been a little more hesitant simply because they knew that they were juveniles. You might be right, I might have been a little more hesitant simply because they knew that they were juveniles. You might be right, I might have been that way. Did the canine go around to the passenger side? I couldn't tell.
Speaker 4:I think so from the way that door opened.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go back, just for you.
Speaker 2:I think the officer carried him.
Speaker 3:Hey, come out, come out. Come out, come out, come out, come out.
Speaker 1:He's a good boy.
Speaker 3:Good boy On the ground, get up, get up On the ground, on the ground, get up, get up On the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the ground On the ground On the ground, on the ground, on the ground, on the getting their ass beat?
Speaker 1:nope, they're complying.
Speaker 4:So this is, this is outstanding. This is so far. It's a great ending yeah, I'm not seeing.
Speaker 1:You know the the first kid? Yeah, unfortunately he got dog bit, but they weren't. They weren't listening, they didn't make themselves known. Somebody's got to be the example so the rest of them learn. Not that it's a learning point, but it's just. It is what it is, that's what they got, so I'm to go to the comments real quick. I think they were directly chasing from an escape. My assumption was that they didn't have a chance to get armed, but they did have their rifles out, so who knows?
Speaker 4:And that's what it is. It's a who knows scenario. You're going to come in with the force that you can answer with if, in fact, they did arm up Kudos to the officers and, yeah, they may be in a rural nowhere where I used to work, my last agency and you've got to come in with the tools so you don't have to. Hey, let's pause this scene. Let's call in SWAT now. Bring in the tools you need now. Canine was a great thing on this. I bet if you look up this call and do some forensics on and find out they will never do this again yeah, yeah, I bet there was a lot of after debrief and learning how they could have worked this call better.
Speaker 1:You bet Ocean Girl said who's a good dog?
Speaker 4:He's a good dog.
Speaker 1:Ward just got here. Damn Ward, you're late, bro. What's the deal You're?
Speaker 4:usually.
Speaker 1:This is the first time that guy's late.
Speaker 4:He's usually got the first comment.
Speaker 1:I know he's usually the first one here and goes I'm late, what if I missed? But he's usually the first one there. Okay, let's go to the next one here. Here's another one. Here we are. Boom, come on, doug. Okay, this one's a wounded officer. He's out on a home invasion. Okay. So as we're entering this house on a potential home invasion, I see a I'm going to guess a female. It looks like a female is on the ground so okay, so she's saying there's another person.
Speaker 1:There's another male I couldn't tell what she was saying, like she's pointing. So for me, my gun's going to be up, I'm going to be on every-. You're clearing the house? Yeah, absolutely, I am clearing this house. I am trying to secure it. My assumption is going to be if this person is on the ground here, everybody else is not supposed to be in this house, that's just me.
Speaker 4:If you've got enough officers, I would say extract, get her out, get her out of there and finish your friggin' job. We don't know if she's a friendly or not. She's obviously being friendly.
Speaker 1:She may be the homeowner, but you've got to treat it as a cautionary on every single one of these, but we're only maybe 10-15 seconds into this call, oh shit, maybe 10-15 seconds into this call, oh shit. We got shots fired already 10-15 seconds in. I kind of saw somebody for a second. I don't know what I saw. Oh, he's hit. Oh, fuck, alright, and he's hit, okay.
Speaker 3:So our officer's hit oh fuck.
Speaker 1:All right and he's in pain, so I'm going to guess he didn't get hit in the vest. He got hit somewhere else. He's on his ass. His gun is still well. It was for most of that was still up in the fight and it was aimed at that hollow. I'm going to go back because I thought I saw something but I wasn't sure what I saw Okay. So she oh shit, I just fucked up my mic too. Give me a second, guys, I just broke my mic. I think. All right, I think Stay Okay.
Speaker 1:I think I got got it. I think I fucked my mic up for real um my mic stand. She's pointing off to the right like down hallway and that's where I saw the shadow.
Speaker 2:So I think there was something in the mirror or something down that hallway.
Speaker 4:Like right here you're about to see somebody cross that hallway, yeah, that's what I think happened.
Speaker 1:Somebody pops out in that hallway, so right here, his gun is up. I love the instincts. He's already ready to go. Yep, there's the person. Okay, so that person must have came up just firing because boom, boom, boom, yep, right there. So we've already got three shots out. Our guy didn't have a chance. By the time he was able to assess whatever the fuck that was, he was already being fired at Boom. I think he's returned fire. So fucking gangster on him. Um, he's on his ass.
Speaker 4:he's putting rounds down range kudos man I'm trying to see where that lady went, because she was sitting right there, I think this is her right there hopefully, yeah, hopefully she's going to cover.
Speaker 2:I think she's just trying to get out of there um yeah, one of the comments down gregory says something about entering the house. It does seem like the other officer gets sucked into something, um after he goes past that lady.
Speaker 1:So yeah, they get separated yeah, a little bit, but that is what happens every time?
Speaker 1:Most of the time, guys, on anything like this, there's never anybody there, never. So you come in and even when the person's all worked up, you get there and you search and you don't find shit. So that doesn't mean and I'm trying to be very cautious on what I say here this is common, for what happens to cops is we get complacent because how many times have we shown up somebody's frantic and there ain't shit. I already passed. This is so rare. What we're seeing right now, that is so rare.
Speaker 4:So this is why we train way up here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you train way up here, so when you do relax a little bit, you're at least here. I'm reading through the comments. Marine Blood said the officer stayed in the fight. This officer was the only one hit, I believe, other than the bad guy. Okay, beautiful, I'm loving the fact that maybe we already know that the bad guy got hit. Partner is chasing the other guy into the kitchen. Okay, okay, that makes sense. And then Soldier said $30 bottle of Eric's favorite bubbly, $300 mic with a ding in it. Worth it. Hey, this mic is $100.
Speaker 1:This is a $99 Rodecaster Pod mic. Sir, my really good mic, my Shure SN7B or whatever the hell it's called that was donated by the company called NICE N-I-C-E, which is a law enforcement company. Shout out to them. I use it when I can. I don't want to break it, I don't want to ruin it, but the problem is, when I have somebody else on the podcast, I want our mics to sound similar and the same, and I can't do that if I don't have two of them. Right, I don't use it that often. Uh, alan gets it. Alan used to, still does this stuff, um, audio and video stuff, for a living, so he's been able to help me out with that, but anyway, yeah, that's. That's why. So, shut up, I ain't breaking my mic.
Speaker 1:One in 10,000 shit in one second. Yeah, thomas, you're fucking right man, absolutely. I think the bad guy got hit, I don't remember for sure. It says Marine Bloods and Greg said I'm sorry, I see it as a chief of my department, but I do see it as an officer side as well, so I hope you have my understanding in it as well. Rushing does happen at times. I think we really tend to get sucked in when we have a victim right there you have, you've got a potential home invasion with a victim, so you do vacuum effect that happens on this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:And around these corners and patrol officers are so quick to like I'm going to go check this side, you go check that.
Speaker 4:No hell, no, bring it back over here. Let's methodically go through this house, let's get this lady out to somebody else, or go sit by our cars and let's go through this house to work. Now that's, that's an ideal situation. It doesn't always get trained as that across the country and that's unfortunate. Eric and I, and I'm sure we've had more advanced training on some different things, and this may or may not happen to us, but it could happen to us the same exact way, because we go to so many of these things and it's nothing. They're gone, they've stole something, they had a gun, and now we're doing the cleanup squad, we're taking care of the victim, we're itemizing everything, we've become crime scene, etc. Etc. Then this shit breaks out. But this is that rare instance.
Speaker 1:I can tell you right now, I'm this cop, I would have been sucked in, I would have been in there and I've been like pumped that I got to go help somebody and then was and I've been like, all right, you know, like pumped that I got to go help somebody and then I was totally not expecting the bad guy to still be in there.
Speaker 4:You as a first line supervisor too. So you got your paper sheet officer there. He's doing his thing and you're there to assist in whatever he needs. You're being that true supervisor. And then boom, this shit goes down and it's holy shit man, let's get plenty, let's see what happens Ow.
Speaker 3:Shit. Ow Get my fucking arm. Ow Fuck. Yes, that's what I did to you, oh shit.
Speaker 1:All right For me.
Speaker 4:There's obviously a kid in that house too.
Speaker 1:And this is what I want to get across to officers out there Stay off your fucking radio. I don't know where this comes from, because I was never trained this way. I think it comes from videos. When we see this stuff, the instinct is to immediately get on the radio and let people know you're shot, that you fired shots, whatever it is you have to handle business Yep. And what Eric's?
Speaker 4:saying, just so y'all guys understand, is do work, make sure nobody else gets hurt, but do work so you can go freaking home at the end of the day. Then you can let dispatch know what's going on, and it's all going to be in the report, so freaking. Do work and get home.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely. Crm 1174 said I love the perspective of your show. Different views from different experiences from various areas. I'm not leaving my partner. We're clearing together. I like it. What I like is he didn't just drop and sit there. He moved. So no matter where this bad guy is, the last place he saw him. Now he's got to figure out where the cop went. Now he may be able to logically figure out that he went off to the left-hand side of this hallway, but when shots are being fired and your adrenaline is rushing, you might not be thinking logically. So this officer got offline and gave himself the best chance of survival. I love it. It's perfect.
Speaker 1:Guns throwing the tank he cuts up and knows it, but he doesn't care. He's still holding what he's got. If I were to guess, he's either been shot through a nerve or he's been shot through a bone because he's not getting back up.
Speaker 3:I'm shot.
Speaker 1:Smoke alarms are going off. He's running.
Speaker 3:He's running.
Speaker 1:My guy's still sitting with his gun, trained, on the hallway. There's going to become a point in time where you've got to start worrying about self-care, but that hallway is not secure yet.
Speaker 4:But let's look at reality. Eric, I mean this guy that just shot at cops he may be looking at an exit.
Speaker 1:So right, behind him is that entry door.
Speaker 4:They came in.
Speaker 1:He may be able to flank them.
Speaker 3:Obviously somebody got on the radio.
Speaker 4:I'm sure dispatch knows she's doing her or he's doing his damnedest to get it to rain back up there. But you've also got to worry. Behind you. This dude goes out a fucking window and comes around behind and plugs another round. You don't have that coverage. Yes, we know that he was shot through that hallway and we're going to put as much coverage as we can and I'm not doubting this officer. He's probably an amazing, freaking cop man. He's going through some shit right now on the floor. Hopefully he survived all this. But that mean, think about that. This dude may go out a fucking window and circle back around and plug a couple more times and go run on foot or to a vehicle or however you got there. I mean, it's freaking home invasion.
Speaker 2:So yep, the whole reason why you've been called to the house is because there's somebody in danger and he can continue to hear a baby screaming in the background.
Speaker 1:He's still wanting to go to fight yep, and absolutely from everything, all his actions, I can tell he's still in it. Um, my fucking hats off to this guy. He, you can see the blood on the ground. He's my man is in it to win it. Those aren't.
Speaker 2:Those aren't that off the down line. No, that's the smoke line. Malik.
Speaker 3:Malik right leg, y'all target yeah whoo.
Speaker 1:I don't like that fuck no little.
Speaker 2:Sorry, buddy, I'm not giving you mine, yeah uh, my man, just blindly.
Speaker 1:Guys, don't get. Sorry, buddy, I'm not giving you mine. Yeah, my man, just blindly. Guys, don't get fucking sucked into seeing your partner down on the ground.
Speaker 4:I know he loves his partner. We all do that, for everybody that's watching. We want to go take care of our partners. We want to take care of all the victims first and then take care of our partners, but walking across that fatal funnel where Rouse just came out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, holy fuck. Yeah, I mean that's the deal man. Yeah, all right, I'm going to keep playing. This is a long video. It's about 10 minutes long. I'm not going to play the whole thing. I'm probably going to monday morning quarterback. I'm just doing what we're doing in the video, but this is not how I would I. I have to take care of myself.
Speaker 2:I'm self-aid buddy karen and I've got nothing to protect the hallway that I got shot from well, the only thing I will say is maybe the baby's over there, maybe he's seen the baby that we keep hearing crying, that's fine, but if that baby's not shot, I need to keep my gun on the threat no. I agree with that. I'm just saying maybe he's going back to that side of the house, because I don't like that. He's even leaving his partner.
Speaker 1:Soldier American said bright red blood on the floor. Tourniquet placement on your kit is important. Stay in the fight. Good for the officer. Crm said oh Jesus, where is he going? That's kind of what I'm thinking. And then Gregory Turner said Banning. You're right. We had some jump out back window in a mobile home. We did a warrant on. Thank Lord we had Ranger watching outside as he was jumping out the window with a gun, but my Ranger stopped him.
Speaker 4:And unfortunately, the reason I say that is I've been on the scene for probably in 21 years, probably three of those where the POS jumped out a frigging window and you don't think about that when you're in the heat of the moment Right out a frigging window, and you don't think about that when you're in the heat of the moment. You focus on this. And we've got so everybody understands we have blinders on. It doesn't matter how many years you have on. If you just got hit from that frigging doorway, you've got what's called blinders on. You're trying to do breathing, You're trying to do like a pursuit and you're trying to open that field of view. You're hearing everything up. If there's a law in the action, you may be communicating like I need a fucking ambulance If you have the time, and you're not trying to plug a hole, et cetera, but this dude may jump out a window. So I appreciate him making that comment very much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what happens and if you want to get into the scientific terms of this, it's called auditory and ocular exclusion. So what happens is when you hit that fight or flight response and I guarantee this guy's got the fight or flight response going on everything just turns into this room and so you are not thinking like us, sitting here watching this video and making decisions and doing what we're doing so easy. Why? Because we're not in actually any threat. So that's the difference between and this is why, when you're looking at qualified immunity and all that stuff and you're trying to make decisions for what you're watching on video, you got to remember this is how you have to judge the way that you think about what you're seeing. This guy just got shot a good one for Vaughn.
Speaker 4:I would love to hear his comment on this. Yeah, yeah, with Force Science, vaughn.
Speaker 1:Cleen from Force Science guys. Amazing, yes, yep, very good. Raphael jumped back on. He said not going to lie. Training flies out the window when you have shit flying south. Just got to remain calm and focused. Easier said than done. Not wrong, sir, not wrong. And CRM said once you clear, drag your guy out. Yeah, I'm with that too. I feel like they were pulling back and forth because you have your victims over here but your partner's down here. So very hard. Ocean Girl said how do you deal with adrenaline afterwards? It depends on what you mean.
Speaker 1:It's a great question Depends on what you mean by afterwards. There is no afterwards right now. We're still in it. So for me it's focusing on the threat, staying in the fight. I'm not even worried about my wound. Yeah, he's in a lot of pain. That's what makes me think he either got shot through a nerve or he got shot through a bone. Um, cause he's not getting up.
Speaker 4:Um, so so, so hypothetical.
Speaker 4:just to go into what Ocean Girl said uh, doing as long as I have and it's not very long when you look at perspective of how many officers worked for so many years 21 years and I've gone to several priority one calls. If I was and you say that a million times if I was this guy, this is what I would do. Once the scene becomes cold, the suspect is neutralized, either arrested, weapon removed, then that blood pressure starts slowly coming down. I mean and it's a process I'm going to tell you right now, every priority one call that I've been on similar to this, I've gotten the best sleep of my life that night, meaning my body will literally completely shut down. I'll sleep for eight hours, which doesn't happen very often. As a cop or a firefighter or dispatcher or somebody with a stressful job, then you have to be a first responder. But that's what happens is your body has got to repair mentally and physically and part of that is the big part.
Speaker 4:is that sleep? So just to answer that question.
Speaker 2:I think that's also different from where you were working before banning to simulate where I'm at, to where Eric's at and how long we're holding the scene. You know, thinking about going into this house, how many times did you actually have two officers in the middle of the night? To go to this house in the middle of nowhere versus having backup coming to this house in the middle of nowhere versus having backup coming? You know, currently in this, you know you know the deputies in the county I'm at. You know it can be 30 minute response time.
Speaker 4:Oh, same with me. So when I when I was at Jack County and I can say that cause I can I can give a crap less on that, it, it. It'd be an hour and a half, sometimes two hours if I was going to a family violence call. But we have done, you know, we took an oath. So if I'm the only deputy on, or my partner's the only deputy on and he's going out there, he's going to address that situation by himself. Unfortunately, if there's not a deputy, because there's lives in there, their lives are at stake. So a lot of times in Jack County they've got to go in by themselves. And not just Jack County I'm preaching to the choir, it's all over Texas, potter County, everywhere that happens, and fortunately we don't always have backup and we've got to go in there and take care of the situation. And that makes that PTS so much worse for those deputies.
Speaker 2:I mean it, it just does so it just draws it out and that you know. So now you're holding that, that scenario and the emotions, part of it for that much longer. So it just changes the challenge there. Not that it's any worse if you were in a city where you have backup, but just dealing with that and just hoping your backup's coming.
Speaker 4:And I came from, just so you know, I came from an agency in the DFW area and I can say it's Hultum City. It's about a hundred-man department, and if I ask for help on the radio, I'm going to get adjoining agencies from Fort Worth, north Richland Hills, watauga, richland Hills.
Speaker 4:It's going to rain police pretty frigging fast if somebody needs something. But out in the county I wasn't used to that. It took me about a year and a half to get used to the fact of hey, I need help and nobody says anything because my radio is not even working.
Speaker 4:I've got to go back to the car because I'm in the middle of fucking nowhere and I'm hey, I need help and the dispatcher hears help please, because we don't have the coverage out there and then you're like, okay, they're going to start paging people sending out smoke signals, but I've got to do what I can in this situation until the end of it. So in this situation until the end of it. So I mean, that's rural Texas and that's not just, that's all over the country in the rural areas, and that's sad.
Speaker 2:And that's.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:That's what most people don't see when you see all these videos of cops and those are best case scenarios. Yeah, the situations that happen in America day in, day out are not best case scenarios, right.
Speaker 4:And I would love to see that. So CRM 1174, you know, Eric just threw that up there.
Speaker 4:When you say help, it's literally an army coming and that's where it needs to be at every agency but unfortunately, tax dollars, population, the politics behind it, you don't always get that. I don't know how many times that I needed help or another deputy needed help, even if I was off, if I got that page. Deputy Schmuckatelli needs help on it. You know, you're getting dressed out, you're going as fast as you can up in your unit and you're running code three. It may take you an hour and 10 minutes to get there, running 130 miles an hour, but you're coming and you're and you're trying.
Speaker 4:And I blame a lot of it on the border because a lot of our troopers that back us up on calls yeah, they're now doing border and and state capital rotations to where they were our backup at a lot of this and and same with our game wardens, they've got to go do border rotations, capital rotation. So it's like holy shit, we need more cops, like you wouldn't believe right now across the state of texas at least that's all I can speak on is texas, yeah well, right now my son's a deputy, uh on, he's out on shift right now.
Speaker 2:yeah, there's there's eight, eight deputies for the county and his partner is in bed and they're 66. And so when he comes in, his partner goes out and so if he needs backup, he's calling the person from bed.
Speaker 4:And you and I haven't spoke online, but I'm pretty sure you know who Brian Thomas is. Yes, he's a good friend of mine up in Potter County. That's an amazing organization. He wants amazing things for the citizens and and law enforcement up there. But I'm about to be reserve up there. But yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, it's great area up there, man, great law enforcement presence. They're trying to do the right thing I'm just south of lubbock okay okay, yeah yeah, it's um.
Speaker 1:it's an important thing to point out, and when we watch videos and people are like, why the fuck did the cop respond that way? One of the things to consider that we don't have the perspective of unless you've talked to people is backup is 20 minutes away. Backup's an hour away.
Speaker 4:And I would love for backup for me to be 20.
Speaker 1:now, when I say for me.
Speaker 4:But when I was in that rural setting and dispatch were to come over and I could actually hear it if I was close to my car and they're like, uh, swetland backups, you know 20 minutes away, they're in route, I know they're running code, they're already dressed out and they're ready 20 minutes to me as a deputy in jack county was like oh thank, I've got 400 rounds in the car, I can deal with what I got until he or she gets here and then they're going to have that many rounds as well.
Speaker 4:So you know, people are like dude, you seriously carry a thousand rounds in your car and I'm like you have no idea, right? I like to work as a rural deputy and there's a lot of municipal cops in big areas like Dallas, houston, austin and I praise that. Eric, I praise you. You have no idea how fast it's going to go bad and if you don't have that shit in your car ready, you may die going. My go fast bags and my frigging office or my podcast podcast room and I could have done this and this and this.
Speaker 1:So, eric, I know you, I know how prepared you are, I know the training you do on the side, and I wish every officer did what you did, man, and I pushed that on social media, that's the thing is is what I'm trying to get the public to understand that doesn't do this job, or even some city cops that take it for granted and doesn't fully understand the extent of backup when it comes to people outside of municipality is for me, if I got to wait four minutes for backup, I'm freaking out Like that's an eternity to me. I am so used to having backup right here, right now, like I can. If I call for backup, I can hear their sirens the moment I'll call. That is that is my reality where I am. That is what it's like to be in a major city. When I call out for backup, I can usually hear the sirens Now on the outskirts of the city for anybody to get stuck way out.
Speaker 1:Now where I'm at there's, I think, roughly 396 square miles. It's a huge area, so it's not like everybody's got backup waiting four minutes away. Sometimes you do have to wait 20 minutes. It just depends on where you are at. But for people that aren't used to this don't understand. When you're in a knockdown, drag out, fight, just hands on. We're not even talking a gunfight Minutes, it's an eternity, look at these comments on the right.
Speaker 4:So Marine Blood said I thought I heard somewhere that some departments won't allow go bags, which is dumb, so I can echo that With my following on LinkedIn. I get sent messages from Canada, the UK, maine, california, and some of those departments do have those rules to like what we issue. You, you have your gun, your, your two mags, your AR with one mag, your shotgun, uh, with one tube full and patrol ready. That's what you get. You will have backup if you need any more. And to me, what happened in California, the the bank of america robbery back in?
Speaker 2:oh yeah so.
Speaker 4:So that was a a turning point for law enforcement to say we need more high power weapons and and god bless the officers that dealt with that call first of all because I sat there, dissected that entire and watched it and cried and holy shit, and they were the turning point for probably 60 to 70 percent of the agencies across the country.
Speaker 4:Like we've got to start training these officers with ARs. We've got to have stopping power. So the kudos to what that call happened with the national coverage that it did. The kudos to what that call happened with the national coverage that it did. But for them to start tightening up on people saying why are you carrying five tourniquets and why do you have five extra mags that you're paying for out of your own pocket? This is ludicrous. You can't do that. If they had a state rep or a union or cleat or TMPA, they have got to come start speaking in that state of no, this officer's got to come home. They've got to take care of the victims on scene. They've got to do this Because when I was on patrol I had anywhere between 12 and 15 turkish kids and probably close to a thousand rounds with the three weapons I had in the car and when you look at the reality of that, that's not a lot.
Speaker 4:If you're sitting in a bunker position, you're dealing with several people on a call that are firing rounds down raid and you've got to do something for an hour and a half to two hours until backup gets there. That's a small piece of the pie, and I mean seriously. I mean think about it, think of the worst-case scenario. If you're ready for that worst case scenario, let that officer be prepared for that. It's literally waiting a bag on the passenger floor board or wherever they have it locked up in their car. Maybe it's safe in the back, whatever, depending on their department of policy. But let them start carrying that stuff. If you're not, it's on you. If you have a death, it's on frigging you. If the stuff that they had in that bag could have saved the situation, and I'll get out my soapbox on that I want to point out in the audience we've got Bellum Canine.
Speaker 1:If you guys don't know who Bellum Canine is one, it is a military brother of mine from the Air Force and two, he was on presidential Air One protection with Canine. So yeah, and recently he is a Texas boy. Believe it or not, trains here makes wonderful Canine dogs for private, for police, for anybody. But recently he has moved to the DFW area. Oh, outstanding, I mean recent, recent. So now he's set up in Houston, he's set up in all these different parts of Texas and he has just come to the DFW area. So you are looking to get your canine trained.
Speaker 4:Bellum canine yeah, bellum, if you're on. If you're on linkedin dude, reach out to me. I'll. I'll help you, however I can, man, that's freaking awesome guys.
Speaker 1:Check them out, I promise you won't be disappointed. I know recently he got hooked up with um somebody that's been on the show recently, uh, kyle rittenhouse, and kyle has um. He has a ptsd emotional support dog and he also has a um malinois that I believe is going to be a protection dog and I'm pretty sure bellum canine is going to be the one that is training that. So make sure you guys check them out. Go look at bellum canine um, check out my buddy shane who owns it, and uh, let them know. Two cops, one donut sent you um. See what you guys can figure out and I promise you won't be disappointed. And yeah, it would have been nice if we had shane here a little earlier talking about canine stuff. But let me go through the comments here.
Speaker 1:Marine Blood said should be. That's unacceptable. Here are twice as many rounds and mags as you bought for yourself. Perry Lemley said I was limited to 45 rounds of 9mm when I had a shotgun. I carried 10 rounds of double up buck. Bellum K9, woo, woo. Soldier American said badass, bellum K9, usafas, usaf, um, love it, love it. And then, uh, perry said I had a long beach california cop that carried five 1911 pistols and eight spare mags. Holy shit, that is prepared as fuck, right there. Perry um. Sebastian lars said do not forget that the totality of the washington dc and all the that is prepared as fuck, right there. Perry Sebastian Lerner said Do not forget that the totality of the Washington DC and all the corporation states of are all null and void, defunct de facto, because the 14th Amendment has never been ratified lawfully. Plus, what the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 4:Break that down a little bit, brother, and bring it back to us so we can answer on that a little bit better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, give me a second here because I'm not going to lie. I've got to look up what the 14th Amendment is. I can't remember that one off the top of my head. Guarantees of rights liberties of citizens, including formerly enslaved people. Citizens grant citizenship to all people born and naturalized in the United States. Equal protection Requires states to provide citizens grant citizenship to all people born, naturalized in the United States. Equal protection requires states to provide equal protection of laws to all citizens. Okay, due process requires states to provide due process of law before depriving anyone of life, liberty, property and then voting gives government the power to punish states that restrict citizens rights to vote. Okay, um, and, and before you even start jumping on my case about anything, listen, I don't have all the amendments fucking memorized. I had somebody check me on the third amendment recently. The third amendment I don't deal in the third amendment. I will tell you the ones I deal in all day long.
Speaker 4:Second, fourth, fifth Yep. Thank you, thank you, amendment. I will tell you the ones I deal in all day long.
Speaker 1:Second, fourth, fifth, yep, thank you. Thank you, but the third amendment I'll get back to you. Oh, quartering soldiers, sorry, not something. I really deal with a whole lot uh but not still.
Speaker 4:Donuts, yeah, but they're not still donuts we paid for them all, man yes.
Speaker 1:But, sebastian, I'm not going to be the guy, sebastian, that just throws you out on the streets. I want to hear what you have to say, I want to see where your mind's at and see if we can't reach common ground on something Just so everybody knows.
Speaker 4:I'm about to send Eric an email it probably needs to be two cops a dozen donuts now, since I'm on it. No just that jumbo donut, yeah every time Eric and. I try to share a donut. I'm so hungry. You just need that jumbo donut.
Speaker 1:Ratified lawfully. Plus um, uh, I'm not sure where we're going with that, but I'm gonna go with the what came in 14th amendment. That should not steal donuts. Yep, absolutely. Perry said uh, oh bella, uh, soldier, american, um bellum. Make sure you put up here what your website is. Matter of fact, I'm going to pull it up myself.
Speaker 1:Bellum Canine. God, you guys you have no idea what you're going to get into with Bellum Canine. When I'm talking top-of-the-line training, I'm talking my man has had overseas contracts. My man has trained completely other countries and their canine programs protected the president of the United States here and knows his shit when it comes to dogs. I mean, it isn't just. Don't feel like you have to have a police dog to go get trained with this guy. You guys can have, you know, a golden doodle and want to train to stay healed, like that is what you're going to get from him. There's no shame in his game, so to speak. You're going to get good stuff. But I got the website up here right now. Look at the logo. This is exactly what you're going to be getting and, like I said, I believe he's about to train. Kyle Rittenhouse is a personal protection dog, so let me, let me.
Speaker 4:Let me ask Bellum a question, and I've never spoke to Bellum Um the bellum. Let me ask you your thoughts, and you may have or may have not heard of this, but it's called Learloff Idle Motion and I'll give you the ending in one sentence of your dog biting the neighborhood kid for bouncing a ball. So look up Learloff Idle Motion, let me know, hit me up on LinkedIn, instagram, whatever, and let's have a conversation on that, because I've actually testified in court on Learlof Idle Motion. I'm curious on what you've heard, or what you've been taught, because I love talking to K-9 guys about it um t ward said the 21st is the best.
Speaker 1:That's right to. I'm reading I'm previs said that's right to hot coffee before having to talk to people. Um, marine blood said just add bacon to donuts. Yeah, if you've never had a maple bacon donut, you've not lived. I'm just um. Banning said two donuts for every everyone else. Uh, sebastian lawyer said Malinois are great too. Um, I will definitely give uh Banning your phone number for sure, sir, I'll give you a call tomorrow, brother, hell yeah. Um, uh, shane, if you're not familiar, banning is my other side of the two cops. One donut now. So he's absolutely fully, fundamentally, a part of what we do here.
Speaker 1:But let me get back to the videos. Where were we? Not that one, not that one, not that one, not that one. Okay, I'm going to share the screen. Boom, boom, boom, boom. I know we haven't finished this video, so I want to get it in Fuck. All right, my recommendation I'm not saying it's always easy Keep your fucking mouth shut, don't let the enemy know that you're in pain, that you're hurt, don't give them any advantage. But with that said, I've never been shot, so I don't know what the fuck he's going through and I can't even begin to try to tell him not to keep his mouth fucking yapping. I've been shot at. I've been shot at.
Speaker 4:But I've never been shot at.
Speaker 3:I've been shot at.
Speaker 1:But I've never been shot.
Speaker 2:And I never had the opportunity to return fire.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, he just said we got one in custody inside right now, so that's in the back room that's in the back room. That's why he went back. That's a fucking impossible position to be in.
Speaker 4:It is. You don't have a command set up. I mean, this is a, this is this. Shit happened and we're freaking, we're, we're playing dominoes, man, I mean you gotta deal with what you got, Alan.
Speaker 1:what has been your?
Speaker 3:experience and you're responsible for that person now.
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you. Okay, go down that rabbit hole, alan. Tell us what you know about when you've got somebody in custody.
Speaker 2:So now you have become ownership of that person, even more so than that child crying off and stealing a house, because you put them. They can't protect themselves, and so once they're in custody, it's their responsibility.
Speaker 1:Your sound was breaking up. Was this sound breaking up for you? Banning?
Speaker 4:Yes, sir.
Speaker 2:I think you're good now Are we back, okay, so once you come in custody, you have ownership of that person Because you've taken their ability To protect themselves away. So, even more than the child or the mom that's in the house, you have responsibility of that person to protect them, even more so than yourself at a certain point.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely All right, let's keep going. Thank you, all right, let's keep going hey. King, I'm in a shitty position to be in as the officer that isn't hit. I just want you guys to understand that you are so fucking torn. You've got your victims over there. You've got a suspect over there. Meanwhile you're trying to find out if your buddy's okay. You know he's hit. You threw him your tourniquet. He hasn't even applied it yet. This is a shitty fucking spot to be in.
Speaker 4:I love that. That's a good cut, let me tell you, let me tell the watching public right now that's seeing this. Awesome, I want to buy this motherfucker a steak, absolutely. He just drug this suspect out from a fucking home invasion. His partner's been shot. He's like stand by to fucking stand by. I'm going to apply a tourniquet to my partner real quick and I'm going to take this POS that just interrupted this frigging family's life. What's supposed to be protected in America and the mother.
Speaker 4:So, Eric, we've got to find this dude. I guarantee you my company will buy the apartment of steak for these actions right here, sorry.
Speaker 1:You have got a steak dinner on Two Cops Window. I will pay for it out of my own pocket. I will too. I don't. Let's split it, brother, listen, we don't make money on this podcast. No, let's split that shit, I promise you guys, I am going to buy this guys. You get me his name. Yeah, this guys, you get me his name. I got a steak dinner for him.
Speaker 3:I'm actually going to be down at that department next week.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's motivating, man.
Speaker 1:Oh my God. Yeah, alan, when you do, let us know, man For sure.
Speaker 2:Hey guys, that's Houston, that patch is Houston.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's Houston. Okay, I know some Houston guys. Okay, okay, oh yeah, shit. Now I will Monday morning quarterback a little bit Angle your boy so he can keep covering the hall while I render aid.
Speaker 3:Black man standing in blue. Sir, go towards that hall, shit.
Speaker 2:Now I like to know it is I got to talk to him.
Speaker 1:Uh, oh yeah, home invasion in Houston. Somebody said it, someone's inside. Don't connect, it's in the title. We don't read the title. We don't watch the video. What's going?
Speaker 3:on what's going on. Hey, let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands. Can you see the watch over here, Damn how do you get this? Let me see your hands.
Speaker 4:Get out of the wrap, the discipline it. I'm not mad at him anymore. I mean, at first I'll be honest with y'all I was like where's this fucking partner at? But now that we see this, I mean that's the whole picture, right this guy's lucky he's not shot just out of sympathetic fire you damn right, man. I mean, it's holy shit. I like this guy, man, I I. We gotta get him on the show yeah, absolutely, especially us all being texan.
Speaker 1:We alan you gotta mention it all right, bro, I appreciate it. Uh, marine blood said eric 99. Sure his name is in the description. Oh, okay, very cool. Um, I'm just reading through the comments. It worked for me. For me, I will give him a promotion to sergeant or something he's been an instructor, dude, yeah level-headed.
Speaker 4:I mean, the guy is coming out and he's doing great things yeah, bellum said that's something that's taught that courage and heart you're 100 right.
Speaker 1:Um bravis said super chat night, twenty dollars. Twenty dollars was a big fun, oh shit oh, we gotta do that, man, we eric.
Speaker 4:We gotta start with that thing up there.
Speaker 1:I think that's. I think that's new. Okay, so for those listening, like recently, for whatever reason, my YouTube blew up real quick and I applied for the super like to be able. I think I'm finally monetized on YouTube, but I don't understand it fully yet, so bear with me. But I think what Pravis just did was donate $20 towards that that thing. So I'm listening, if that's what I think it is. I think I just got 20 bucks that I can put towards the dinner.
Speaker 4:That means Eric is Pravis has now got to come to the dinner.
Speaker 1:Oh, there we go, hell. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4:I don't know where Pravis is at, man, but he's got to come to the dinner now. So yeah, you know what I'm saying. I don't know where Pravis is at, man, but he's got to come to the dinner now.
Speaker 1:So Pravis, thank you very much. Yeah, okay, guys, if you're listening, I just literally applied today because I think I got enough hours for people watching on our YouTube channel. Like, after four years, I think I'm finally monetized. I don't fully understand it myself, so I'm trying to get used to it. I don't know, but Pravis said yes, it's a donation, so apparently you're able to give money towards our YouTube channel. I didn't know that. So let me, holy shit, that's pretty cool. If that's the case, pravis, thank you, man. Literally Thank you very much, and that will go directly towards what you said. Marine blood's laughing at me. Hey, man, I'm new to this shit. I we've been doing this for almost four years and this is the first time I finally got monetized on youtube. Um, I didn't fully understand what it meant, because it's not money coming from youtube, it's people being able to donate, I guess. So thank you very much, man. It's really humbling.
Speaker 4:That's a big step brother. It makes me excited, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really humbling. Jesus, Fucking Bellum Bellum just donated $50. This is a super chat. I don't know. I don't even know how to access that money.
Speaker 4:I don't even know how to get it. I don't know what I gotta do, so this is crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess I'll figure it out as we go, guys um damn, I like this guy. I promise you it's gonna go towards this man the best I can get it there. I just don't know how to get to it. Yet it's crazy. All right, let's see if I can keep. I'm so. I'm such an idiot. We'll learn this as we go banning, I promise you're not an idiot, brother, we're learning it's all we're learning um, so okay, let me let me get this out.
Speaker 1:Thank you very much, bellum, and thank you very much, bravis. Very much you guys are great god, imagine being him and hearing your partner yelling out in pain. You can hear him. You can hear him.
Speaker 3:Fuck, where's he at? Where's he at? Hey, officer shot, officer shot. Hey, I want to flee, I want to flee, don't even fucking move. We got one fleeing, one fleeing, don't even fucking move. Shia, shia, you okay, shia, you okay, it's okay, it's okay, we got shot, we got shot. All right, I'm going down, prepare to bail on the dog, jump in the back, go on, go on, go on, go on, Go on, go on.
Speaker 4:Go on, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, Slow down now.
Speaker 3:Go, go go, Joe, you fucking move. Okay, scott, you okay, let's see it when you shot at my leg, your leg, my leg got turned in. Yeah, okay, scott, you okay, let's see Free shot at him. I'm all in, you, all right, I'm all in, Got the target. Yeah, scott, you okay, let's see Perfect, free shot at him. I'm all in you, all right, I'm all in, got the target.
Speaker 1:This is the difference. I want to point this out. When we were watching the other officer's body cam view, it looked like he just nonchalantly crossed that hallway. When we watched his footage.
Speaker 4:He cleared the shit yeah, he covered it, so did you, so I'm I don't want to. I know some of the viewers have seen it because I got some text, but in that other 20 seconds ago when he was over there and he's like one's on, if you go back and look at that, you can see somebody in that backyard running to the left.
Speaker 1:No shit.
Speaker 4:Yes, so he's like one's on foot. He's letting dispatch know everybody that's coming know, so go back. And it's kind of like the first one when the guy crossed the hallway, but he's letting them know whoever's coming.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, right there know whoever's coming, someone do it. Oh yeah, right there, right there. I want to flee. I want to flee. Officer shot, officer shot. I want to flee. I want to flee. Don't even fucking move. Shot, scott, you okay, you okay. What do you have to shot? What do you have to shot? Don't move, don't move, don't move, don't move, don't move, don't move, don't move, don't move, don't move, don't move, don't move, don't move.
Speaker 4:Don't move, don't move. There's somebody outside. Can you hear that, eric? No, we have a male running northbound, is what they're saying on the radio. I'm sitting here trying to listen to the radio this time. So there's somebody outside that's coordinating the effort To get the person that's leaving, so move.
Speaker 3:Where's the big green man?
Speaker 4:Slow down now. Slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down Slow down, slow down, slow down.
Speaker 3:Where you shot at, go away.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna bet this streamer got broke.
Speaker 4:Dude, I wanna pay this guy's mortgage off. Holy shit man.
Speaker 3:He's a good cop, dude hey bro, I just got a new mortgage. You wanna take mine off?
Speaker 1:Where's that? That was not off of our were armed.
Speaker 4:Yes, beautiful, holy shit. This is movie shit. This is movie shit. People that are watching.
Speaker 4:It's not law enforcement, this is very rare. A lot of times a home invasion. Maybe one may have a weapon and they're doing their thing. This is very rare. A lot of times a home invasion. Maybe one may have a weapon, you know, and they're doing their thing and they're stealing a TV or the money or what's going on. One may have a gun, and this is a joke, it may be a Lorsen, it's a POS 9mm, .45, .38. It's still
Speaker 4:a gun. But these guys came in with a plan I'm talking about the bad guys, right came in with a plan I'm talking about the bad guys, right, you know with the plan. So both of them are armed and one of them's already hit an officer. Just to bring the perspective, it maybe somebody's just logging in, but holy, and this dude is actually thinking man, I mean, he's got a bad guy, he's clearing it. We saw on his body camera somebody's clear. So, like I said, maybe out the back door, back window, he may have left, or there may be a third person. We don't know yet, um, but we know there's two at least. So we've had eyes on the dude that's in the kitchen. We've had eyes on the guy that shot the the dude in the door, the primary officer that first came in. So damn sorry, hit play. I'll shut the fuck up, but no you're good.
Speaker 1:You're good, you're good. Um. I'm reading through the comments here. Um, uh, soldier america said you have four places to carry tourniquets. Carry for self-heal. Your life depends on it absolutely.
Speaker 1:Um, and then bellum canine said even be able to have tactile senses to put the cuffs on in a situation like that is crazy. That's a great point to make. Um, for those that have never been jacked up in auditory, um, visual exclusion, um, as you're dealing with this stuff, you start to lose the sensation and all your fine motor skills. They go out the fucking window. So when shit hits the fan and you're in that fight or flight response, like being able to manipulate cuffs and put them on and do all that stuff like starts to really go out the window, which tells me that either this guy is calm and, uh, ready to go or he just was able to get through because of muscle memory.
Speaker 1:Um bellum said when you're hyper adrenalized state, your appendages don't work that well, which is exactly what I'm talking about. So Priva said the super wide angle on body cams really makes tracking lines of sight difficult. Yeah, absolutely so. Gregory Turner said great, call out, commands and assist. I see this in a better way commands and assist. I see this in better way. This is the way, as a chief, we look at all the body cams to get the full story. Um, as formal detectives, I say this way somewhat to the book, um, trying to piece together what people are saying here. Ozark moon said right banning.
Speaker 4:It appears that backup arrived and saw the guy fleeing yes, and he's getting audible on there and he's like, hey, this is the direction he's following him. He's trying to hear from his guys. Obviously he may be armed, yep, he's doing the right thing. So these guys in the ground zero like, hey, this is what's going on. So the exterior guys and they shift or whatever is coming in and they're like holy shit, and they're they're trying to figure out what's going on. What offense do we have? I got a guy leaving from the house. I mean it's, it's reality. I mean we're human, we may have just left a cat stuck in a tree and we're coming over here and we're like what's going on? We're trying to read our whatever software we have. What's going on? And we got a guy leaving right now. This is what he looks like. Yada, yada, yada.
Speaker 1:So now, they're in pursuit with him, either on foot or in a car, and it gets real, real, freaking fast. Yeah, um, unfiltered fishing. Uh, just joined us. Uh, dang, didn't realize you guys were live tonight. Love the podcast. Thank you, brother, appreciate you. Pravis said high point firearms combo gun and club.
Speaker 4:No shit, that and a Larson are like freaking. Billy Clubs, man, they're huge.
Speaker 1:Bellum K-9 said already has combat experience possible, which is, yeah, absolutely possible. Soldier Americans said thank God for the injured officers' full recovery. And then Perry Lemley pointed out gross motor skills kick in, yep for sure Big time. So let's go.
Speaker 2:We got one custody inside the other one ran out Okay.
Speaker 3:One in custody on the way in and out. No court issues. Banning Keep the show running.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is no no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no. I put the name of the one actually shot, but I can't find the other one how many people are in here, so the guy just do okay.
Speaker 3:Blanford is a corner of Antoine and Blanford, up on the front porch Now walking westbound, he takes a pump out of the sidewalk of Antoine.
Speaker 4:Oh, my God, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3:Westbound he takes a pump out of the sidewalk of Antoine. Antoine and Blanford, we got several units. The other one is over there, don't you block me, don't block me. Hey, alright, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 1:It sounds like I can hear a helicopter. I hear something.
Speaker 4:would it be in houston? And maybe I mean it mean you know their air, one may be up, I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does sound like I hear a helicopter in the scene. Get down on the ground. From here, I'm not playing Like if you're not listening, you're getting shot.
Speaker 4:Yep, it's a home invasion man, I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've already shot my off.
Speaker 4:This is the worst nightmare that our citizens go through Very. You've already shot my off my worst nightmare that that our citizens go through Very.
Speaker 3:Get down, get down, get down, get down, get down, get down, get down, get down, get down, get the fuck down, get down, get down, get the fuck down.
Speaker 1:Get the fuck down, get the fuck down Get the fuck down, get the fuck down.
Speaker 3:Get the fuck down, get the fuck down, get the fuck down, get the fuck down, get the fuck down, get the fuck down, get the fuck down, get the fuck down, get the fuck down, get the fuck down. We don't know yet. There's somebody back there. Okay, so I'll push out over here. I'll push out over here, push out so they can get to him, get out of the way. Yes, sir, we got two of them in custody. If you have a gun on him, make sure you have a gun on him. He's got something here. Okay, he's got an ankle monitor. Do I have one on him? Put him to your side. He's got something here. Okay, he's got ankle monitor. Do I have one on set? Put him to your side.
Speaker 4:I got one on set.
Speaker 3:What do you got here? Ankle bracelet. Okay, he's got two. Where's the opposite of this shot? Is it the main location? Okay, secure him in your shot or my shot, it don't matter. Yep, there you go, just go, yep Get.
Speaker 1:And I'm not going to lie. I'm going to use knowing that he has an ankle monitor as leverage, as I'm like hey, we already know it's you. There's nothing you're going to be able to do, because the ankle monitor is going to show where you went and it's just going to show that you shot him. Where is the gun? Because we cannot have that gun get in the hands of a kid somewhere, wherever you tried to ditch it. So just tell us, and that that's how I'm going to start leveraging that come on.
Speaker 1:So from here you got to start securing the scene, all the possible areas that he's ran from too. Now you got to start backtracking, trying to find the gun, because you know you got your guy. That's him, there's no question. That's okay beautiful. Well, we know we got some donations for a steak dinner for this guy you bet, we'll make it work, man, we'll make it happen.
Speaker 2:HPD is one of those units in the nation that they run two-man unit no matter what. Oh really, yeah, I didn't know that until a couple weeks ago and every one of their units is two-man.
Speaker 4:That's friggin' awesome.
Speaker 1:Okay, excellent, we've been. We've almost gone three hours, which is right about our limit that we normally do, so I'll give some time to talk, to chat um everybody that's in the chat right now. Uh, feel free to say whatever you want. Um bellum said this. Motherfucker's got an ankle monitor. Yeah, everybody's Marine blood, did he say ankle monitor? Yup, it's those marking complaints.
Speaker 2:He's got you know, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Up by the Remember me? I swear you were in the house, bro. We got you on ankle monitor Like I went.
Speaker 2:I went down the dive Of trying to figure out the officer's name. We got you on ink monitor, like I went down the dive of trying to figure out the officer's name and I got the the victim officer's name. But the one thing I did find what I want to express my gratitude. The call came in within minutes of the invasion because a neighbor saw the incident at the front door and they pushed their way into the house. Officers were there with him for the home invasion, and so they were able to put them in zip ties.
Speaker 2:But when officers got there, the front door was open, and so you know this all you know, people's lives probably were saved because a neighbor you know didn't just oh, that's not my problem to deal with, and actually said, hey, there's something wrong going on. Too many times, people are just willing to look the other way right now, and I think we all need to stand up for each other and say that if it doesn't look right, then it's not right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, I got to put this out there. My mom texts me. She watches every live I do. My mom said Michelle, michelle Jones, formerly Michelle Levine, was her maiden name. She said I will donate another $200 for finally making it son. Tell everyone I am challenging them tonight. Only to top my donation, I will put a check in the mail tomorrow. You know your mama. She don't play on any social media, so I mean I've got it right here, I don't know if you can read it.
Speaker 4:I'm trying to show you.
Speaker 1:I'm not joking. This is what Michelle said. It's not going to show up. I can't get close enough to the camera from where I'm at, but that's what Mama said. Mama said she's going to show up.
Speaker 4:You got a good Mama man. You got a Mama like mine.
Speaker 1:Now, before we end this, give me one second. I want to go grab something, because we do have another sponsor. They're not a pain sponsor, that's. The thing is we, we're, we're in combination, and banning knows about them ghost patch. So I'm gonna put my name out there, ghost patch. So let me go grab it real quick so banning did you get?
Speaker 2:did you go to isap last year? Uh, not last year, no, sir just trying to see what the difference was this year and last year, so I'm going to be honest man that the chief's dinner.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we had amazing bands. We had z Top and I can't remember the other three bands' names right now. There was no meet-and-greet availability at all the levels at the Celtics Stadium. It was a but afterwards we went to this great event and they were even limiting stuff.
Speaker 4:They were like hey man you can have one slice of pizza. I'm like cool 300 guys, I'm great with one slice of pizza. So I got a pizza, I had a beer, I had a Coke and a Smile. We watched amazing frigging bands. And then after that we went to the Boston bars. But in the Boston Bars I was able to meet with several chiefs, several CEOs of other companies I'm not going to put on here, but that was amazing. So because of the IAC, it was awesome on that forefront. But they need to do better next year. I hope everything can come. I want to get do better next year. They're doing different RRs this year. I hope everything can come. I want to get Eric there next year. I'm going to talk to my company and like, hey, let's bring Eric up here. We'll find out what Eric's plans are for next year and do that stuff. But anyway, it was a good event but it could have been better for the the chief's night stuff last night yeah, I can see that yeah um, we had a couple new people join.
Speaker 1:Gamer bro came in. Uh, he had a good joke. I like it. He said uh, how can you talk? How can you tell if a cop is lying? And he said his mouth is moving.
Speaker 3:Well, played, sir Well played Shots fired.
Speaker 1:I like a good roast man. It's okay, Doesn't?
Speaker 4:know me at all either.
Speaker 1:And then Dustin Palmer joined in. He said been watching on Facebook and came here to join the chat. Excellent, appreciate you joining in. I wanted to pull these up now. If you this is this is a one and one time only. I've only got six of these to sell. So if you dm me or banning, this is your only shot to get. This is your only shot to get. I know you can hear those. These are metal. These are real. Two cops, one donut badges. I only have six of them to get out, eric.
Speaker 4:I'm going to say five because I'm going to buy one dude. You showed me those. Yes, those are badass man.
Speaker 1:Here's a silver one. I'm going to get it as close as I can. Here's a silver one. I'm gonna get it as close as I can. Here's the silver one. God, I cannot get it to focus because of the way the camera's set up. Anyway, silver and gold. There's the gold one. There's sarge badge, as I like to put it. Um, it is not cheap. They're 100 bucks a piece, the reason being we are trying to make money for the show. You would be directly supporting what we're doing. However, you will be one of the few that gets a metal badge.
Speaker 2:I've already DMed you, buddy.
Speaker 1:They're not out there. Direct message me, I take Venmo. It's the only thing I'm doing. Direct message me, however, you can get a hold. Message me, I take Venmo. It's the only thing I'm doing. Direct message me, however. You can get a hold of me. The first six. You will get one. Put on there, what you want, and I'm just going to go by. Who came first?
Speaker 4:And if we need to, I'm sure we can get more, but we've got to make sure there's a following that wants it.
Speaker 1:Yes, what we're looking for is we're trying to see who wants them. Two, we're trying to see who's willing to buy our merch. And three, what we plan to do is take those profits and put them into Ghost Patch to create patches, to create badges, to create the flex shields, to create all of those things through Ghost Patch, because Ghost Patch is going to match what we get and we're going to create a supply and you just go directly to their website, so I don't have to deal so with I'm gonna speak and I'm gonna cut eric off for one second.
Speaker 4:Go ahead, cut me out. Only only because of sponsorship. So if there's a patriotic company out there that likes what we do, we're just. We're just bringing the real. When you donate to us, it's not going in Eric's and Banning's pocket saying we're going to take our family out to eat.
Speaker 4:This is literally this is paying the internet. This is the studio that Eric moved his entire family to get this man shed. That I got to see two weeks ago, um, which is, if you guys looked at on the exterior, they're like it's a small barn. It is, I mean, eric. Eric is and I'm 100 committed too, but Eric and his family are 100% committed. So when you get somebody like that, it's similar to the Sean Ryan show. Sean is a friend of mine, I know Sean. We talk all the time. Sean's got millions of followers. He blew up like crazy and I'm going to be on a show in the future.
Speaker 4:But here's the deal. What Eric's doing is we're bringing you the real. I'm just a small little snippet over here. Right, this is Banning Sweatland. Eric has brought two cops to one donut. We're taking stuff to people that you guys don't get to see. So if you want to donate, if you belong to a company and you want to be a frigging sponsor outstanding, it's not going in our pocket.
Speaker 4:It costs a lot to do what Eric's doing right now. I mean he literally bought a house based on a lot of it for the podcast and I've never met somebody would drive like what Eric has to bridge the gap between citizen and law enforcement, to understand what we truly do out there as a as as people. So if you guys want to do that, reach out to Eric, reach out to Banning, reach out to Alan, whoever, and we will. We will get the message in, but it just helps us, and I will help Eric until the day I die to make sure, because I know there's several people that love what we do. But we, but you've got to share us. You've guys got got to got to tell people these, these are what they're doing. You know it's, it's, these are normal cops trying to bring reality to the public. That's what we're doing, man.
Speaker 1:So yep, anyway yeah, appreciate it, I've got I'm pretty sure they're all spoken for. I just got a fucking shitload of messages I'm gonna go through if you happen to be the first one. I already got banning and I got alan and I think my mom, uh, so well, that was the first one on the list.
Speaker 2:Like you, gotta take them all yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1:So the idea, guys, like I said, we're gonna take that money and we're gonna put it into Ghost Patch. So make sure you guys are checking out Ghost Patch and when you go there, let them know. Two cops, one donut sent you, but we're gonna get them added. The website that we're getting done is almost complete. I actually talked to my cousin who's the one doing it today, so we're almost done. Just got to finish up a little, uh, shoring up and then, once we get a supply through ghost patch, we have to actually pay them. We'll pay ghost patch, say, hey, here's what we want to get.
Speaker 1:The idea right now is we're looking at coins and, um, I think coins will be the first thing and then, if those coins do decent, that will be the money to supply the badges and the other things that we want to do. So that's the idea. So we appreciate it and we'll create and make Velcro patches and things of that nature as well, but that's the idea. So thank you very much. We did just get monetized on YouTube, literally. I'm serious. It happened today. Literally happened today.
Speaker 1:So, congratulations, buddy. Yeah, it's crazy. Like I did the work, I didn't get a thing that said like okay, it's official. So I didn't even know, until I saw thing that said like okay, it's official. So I didn't even know until I saw somebody donate to us and I was like what the fuck just happened? I didn't know that it went through yet. So apparently it did because you were able to do it, but didn't know that. Um, marine blood said wait, you didn't make two more for your mom and man. I didn't make any of them. They were, they were, they were you're. Basically I'm selling my donated like here's your, here's what we made. Do you like them? Like you're getting something we weren't sure if we were going to go with those metal badges.
Speaker 4:So I've seen an inversion. I mean it's like the same metal badge that Dallas, fort Worth, houston, los Angeles, the quality that goes into making those badges that represent them on the street, that's what you're going to get, and to have that type of technology that creates that with the real metal dude. If you can buy that badge, you can afford that badge. It is something to to pass on. What we're doing right now, I believe is is is amazing.
Speaker 4:So if you can do that reach out to eric, get one of these freaking badges put in the shadow box. Whatever I mean, this, this podcast, is going to go through the roof, and that we're right on the cusp too, guys, sam.
Speaker 1:Like I said, we're in talks with Samsung, we're in talks with Paragon, we're in talks with Ghostpatch, we've got all Mark 43. We've got a lot of big companies that are on the cusp. I've recently networked with the Failure to Stop podcast network. I've been talking with people like Conservative Ant War, rhino, just all these different places that have the ability to reach out to first responders and get them the resources and whatnot that they need.
Speaker 4:That's what we're going for.
Speaker 1:So I've had a couple people ask me how much are the badges? $100. We're selling them for $100.
Speaker 4:We get. That's a lot of money, but it costs a lot of money to make these badges.
Speaker 1:Let me give you an idea. The flex badges, the flex shields, the rubbery ones that we have that aren't real metal. Those cost us $20 to make a piece, just to make. So now imagine if they're metal. Just the cost alone is significant. So in order to sell them, you're helping fundraise. Just put it that way You're helping fundraise. So it really isn't about the cost necessarily. How much would you pay for a regular police badge?
Speaker 4:let's just put it that way they're about a hundred bucks at an agency too. So being the purchasing agent at several departments, I paid in between 85 and 125 dollars for every officer's badge. That was done correctly. I mean that's the cost. So when we ask the general public, hey, do you want to support our show? Here's $100, and we get a little stipend off that to go towards a show. It helps us. But what you get, I mean it looks good enough to pass on. You know, when you go and your kids want it, it's that nice man, it's very nice. Eric's showing it right now. I mean it's 100% metal and the engraving and everything that goes on in that thing.
Speaker 4:I mean that's a real police badge. I mean I don't want somebody to buy and go, hey, I'm gonna. I'm gonna buy this because I'm the police now, if you're, if you're doing it for that, that's the wrong reason please don't go around trying to impress one a couple.
Speaker 4:I can laugh at you while he arrested you're gonna get arrested and maybe a gun on your face. But but if you're buying it, support our show. Please present this in your living room. Let your family watch the show that we're doing. I mean, it's a beautiful badge. They did a really good job with it.
Speaker 1:Marine Blood. I'm jealous of those who aren't broke and are the ones that got them Bellum K9, he's saying he'll take one, so I got him on the hook.
Speaker 4:Hopefully my next paycheck. I can call Eric and say, hey, dude, I want one of those. We'll see what happens, but those are really nice men. And I want one because I'm a small part of the show. I mean, eric created this whole freaking conglomerate, but yeah, you're a part of the bro um and bellum canine.
Speaker 1:I just want to. I'm going to put him out there. Uh, he's been willing to help support the show, so that's why I have always been putting him out there. So when he finally gets himself in the position that he wants to figure out a way that he wants to support the show, we're more than willing to take him on because, hey, he's got a good product. But yeah, guys, we've busted over the three, the three hour mark. So I'm going to check through the chats and those that have hit me up and I will let you know if you are one of the people that are getting a badge. I've only got six of them, so three silver, three gold.
Speaker 4:So but if we get enough. So Eric say that if we get enough that want to order more, we will get more. Eric's got six right now, but I would love to say I hear in 48 hours, dude, we sold 200 of these things. That helps us with the internet, the stuff we have to do to put this out on podcasts. It helps us bring you content. So if you guys want to order it. Man, that's motivating Good stuff.
Speaker 1:Alan, you got any parting words of wisdom, sir, I know thanks for having me tonight. It was fun absolutely doing it again. I appreciate it, bro.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we'll get you on your badass brother, I sent you a message on linkedin alan yeah, I'll follow up with you let's hook up offline.
Speaker 1:So absolutely sounds good all right, guys, sounds good. Thank you everybody for tuning in. Take it easy.
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