2 Cops 1 Donut
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2 Cops 1 Donut
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This LIVE STREAM podcast can be found on YouTube if you’d like to follow along visually. Joining us for an uproarious episode of the Two Cops One Donut Podcast, we have Chuck and Tommy from the War Stories Official Podcast, adding a hearty dose of humor and camaraderie to our law enforcement insights. Chuck, currently recovering from an injury, and Banning Sweatland, our deputy co-host, bring their unique experiences to the mic, wrapped in lively banter about hockey and the occasional adult beverage. Tommy spices things up with personal anecdotes and a stormtrooper helmet that’s sure to be the envy of every Star Wars fan.
Laugh along as we share first responder tales that will have you rolling, such as the unforgettable firefighter meets wood chipper incident. We introduce Kenny, whose new "Beyond the Barrel Podcast" also known as the Red Ninja on IG, he seeks to unearth the personal stories of first responders and military veterans. Our discussions take a thrilling turn with police pursuit tactics and the crucial role of police dogs in tense scenarios. With military backgrounds and personal stories peppering the conversation, the blend of expertise and humor keeps things engaging and educational.
We dive into police body cam footage, offering a mix of expertise and laughter while covering topics from facility thefts to use-of-force dynamics. Our Monday Night Live Podcast Chat emphasizes resilience and having fun, even when faced with unexpected challenges like power outages. With Kenny and the War Stories crew joining the mix, we've crafted an episode that's as entertaining as it is insightful, ensuring listeners leave with a smile and plenty of new law enforcement knowledge.
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one donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of two cops one donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guests opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language, viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I'm your host, eric Levine. Today I got with me, as always, my co-host, banning Sweatland and joining us from, I would say I'll just say, the west side of the nation. I'm not going to dox him and say exactly where, unless he says it. Chuck from War Stories Official Podcast. How are you doing, chuck? Good?
Speaker 2:good thanks, guys. Thanks for having me on. It's great uh, our, uh, my, my co-host should be joining me soon excellent, excellent.
Speaker 1:We're gonna be having, uh, thomas the or tom tommy. I'm gonna go with tommy. I like tommy. Uh, I don't care if he likes it or not, but I'm totally gonna use that later. Yeah, tommy's gonna be joining us and uh he'll be on here. Uh, chuck is a. Are you active policing?
Speaker 2:can we say so um, I am an active police officer. Yes, I'm just out right now injured gotcha, yeah, okay, um, and then banning.
Speaker 1:Everybody knows, is my co-host deputy, uh, from the north te will say that much. And guys, last night, let me Chuck, let me roll you into our drama. Last night we were going to do a live and may or may not was going to have Fridays with Frank on with us. Again, monday seemed to work out better for Frank, so we were going to shift, because Sunday, monday, tuesdays are my day off. I can do any of those days, so why not do what works for Frank when he can join? Oh, it looks like we got Tom, but he's got no camera.
Speaker 5:I'll just leave that up and when he gets to it. He does.
Speaker 1:Can you guys hear me? We can hear you. You sound like you're in the bathroom.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it's not using any of my. Let me see when are my settings here. This is all video settings. I like it. There we go Now we can see your face. Okay, well, I'm sorry for that.
Speaker 1:I'm going Okay, I know Halloween's over with, and then how do we change our? We can take the mask off.
Speaker 6:I heard a noise. What was Halloween's over with? And then, how do we change?
Speaker 1:our. We can take the mask off. Yes right, I heard a noise. What was that noise? It sounds like a five.
Speaker 6:A five, is that better?
Speaker 1:Oh, you know who I think is joining us too? Red Ninja's in the house. What's up, my ninja that's pretty cool. There we go, can you hear?
Speaker 7:me? I did this. Can you hear me? I did this.
Speaker 1:Can you hear me? I can hear you, kenny. You're, uh, you're coming in blurry and far away though blurry and far away.
Speaker 6:That sounds like my every saturday night. So I just want to say I'm really excited to be at this live event. Uh, there's nothing like nhl hockey to bring guys together. That's's what we're here for, right.
Speaker 1:I know right, Absolutely. There's nothing else going on tonight.
Speaker 6:Right, it's the hockey game that we're all here for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I believe you're correct. Yeah, and just so people know, we will be giving live updates of the game. Just so you're aware, matter of fact, we'll give you a live update. Right now it looks like it's 99 to 120 in favor of the Reds.
Speaker 6:My favorite is the Red team. The Red team is up by 120 to 99. I believe the game ends at 270. Is the mercy rule right?
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, that's the mercy rule, so we'll be doing live updates. Anybody that knows the show would like to partake in some adult beverages while we discuss all things criminal justice. What are you drinking? Right now I am having the banquet of beers.
Speaker 6:Oh, a little banquet beer. I'm in Idaho.
Speaker 2:Tall boys over there huh.
Speaker 6:Huckleberry lemonade with vodka.
Speaker 1:Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it makes sense huckleberries are a thing here.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you yeah, it was in montana. They definitely are oh yeah.
Speaker 6:Well, I mean montana and idaho are like you ever see the map it looks. Montana looks like joe biden sniffing idaho. Kiss the cousins over there gotcha fair enough.
Speaker 1:Um uh, tommy, uh, make sure you tell these boys. Make sure you tell these boys where you're from, what you do oh, uh, I'm a pisces.
Speaker 6:I like it. I enjoy long walks on the beach, uh, no, uh, chuck, did you already introduce yourself? Did I miss that part? My late. I introduced myself. Yes, it's time your turn. Okay, uh, I'm tom. I'm the co-host of war stories. Uh, and the war stories official podcast. We had the lovely eric levine on recently. It was good time. Good time it's had by all, and now that your equipment is working again by the way, I dig the stormtrooper helmet in the background- I had to add a little depth and that's the only time I'm fine.
Speaker 1:but yeah, I have a had to add a little depth and that's the only thing I can find.
Speaker 6:But yeah, I have a couple of cool things as well, and I love the Star Wars helmet. The actual helmet from the guy who says move along, move along is up for auction right now, so if you have you know $50,000, $60,000 sitting around Right.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Okay around right, absolutely um okay. Can you guys real quick kind of tell what your podcast is about, just so people know like, okay, they got a war stories podcast, what is that right?
Speaker 6:yeah, uh, well, so I, um, I'm retired cop chuck's retiring cop, uh, I'm marine and uh, essentially, years and years ago, we started banning.
Speaker 6:There you go, marine too yeah, yeah, we started sitting around and talking shit, um, on a podcast where guys were just you know, it was like you know guys telling guy stories and stuff, and inevitably all the friends that I invited on were either cops, veterans or firefighters. And uh, so we started, you know, there'd be 20, 30 minutes a night where we'd just be telling stories that you know from work. And uh, a friend of ours who had come on the show a couple of times, he, uh, he goes. Dude, you know, I know I'm kind of putting myself out of a job, but just do that, just just do the cop, firefighter, veteran stories. And I said, really, and he goes. Oh yeah, you guys are saying all the things that normies and civilians are afraid to ask, normies.
Speaker 6:I guess it's like it's like the. It's like being the fly on the wall and being able to hear all the the shit that you know cops say and and veterans say and stuff that they won't say around normal civilians, right, and so, yeah, fargan hose-draggers, greg, for sure Frickin'. I petitioned the state of California to have firefighters changed officially to evidence-destruction technicians. It didn't go over very well, so, anyway, so we changed, we pivoted, we stopped doing anybody and then we started doing. Basically, our podcast became sitting down with cops, veterans, firefighters and then medics or people that work in the ER Basically if you deal with human misery for a living right, that work in the er basically if you deal with human misery for a living right and so, uh, we just would sit around and and people would.
Speaker 6:Sometimes they tell stories that are hilarious and funny, like we had. Uh, we had a firefighter come on and tell a story about going down to the hood and this 70 year old black man was called the cops and said we need the guy stuck in the machine, come get the man out of the machine. So they send the the paramedics unit and uh, he says, right there and he points to a streets truck of tree trimmers that were operating wood chipper and said that somebody got sucked into the machine. And the guy goes what machine? And he points at the wood chipper oh, you got to get him out. You got to get him out and they had, you know, they had to, like, tell the old man like he's, there's no man to get him out. You got to get him out and they had, you know, they had to, like, tell the old man, like he's, there's no man to get out of that machine. Sir, they're like you know, yeah, man was convinced that he'd been, he was in the tree chipper, chipper somewhere, and in fact he didn't.
Speaker 6:They described it as strawberry cheesecake that got spit out. Strawberry cheesecake topping got spit out. The other end, oh, geez, um. So that's. You know, those are the kinds we have those. Then we have some people who may, they process, you know, trauma. They literally come on our show and talk about you know terrible things, uh, and and. But mostly it's just a chance to to bond and and and do a show where you feel like you're hanging out with your fellow cops and firefighters and veterans. And yeah, you know, people listen to it and say, man, I feel like I was, you know hanging out with my buddies and drinking.
Speaker 1:Excellent, and I was going to move on to Kenny there, but he looked distracted for a second. I think his wife was probably what are you doing down there.
Speaker 7:Distracting me to watch this hockey game. Who are you watching?
Speaker 1:It looks like Michigan. Oh, there you go. All right, Cheney, let them know who the Red Ninja is and what you're all about, sir.
Speaker 7:Well, I guess I'll start off with where it all started. I worked in addiction. I've been working in addiction since 2012. And then, maybe four or five years within that I started to.
Speaker 1:You were looking for baby oil, right? Yeah, that's it. Oh, did he get busted? What Baby oil Interdiction guy for a while.
Speaker 7:What agency? A small agency in northwest Indiana.
Speaker 6:Okay, which shall choose to remain nameless. Yeah, it was not a three-letter agency, right? No no, no, no, no I'm a local guy.
Speaker 1:Thank you, god.
Speaker 7:And then uh kind of started our own podcast recently because we broke away from another company, started our own company with me, my business partner who's an attorney and a cop, and then we started. It's called beyond the barrel podcast and we focus a lot on first responders um, military veterans and we talk more about who they are, where they grew up, everything else besides what a lot of first responder podcasts talk about. We don't want to really discuss any of that stuff. We just kind of want to get to know who you are as a person and that's ultimately our goal with that.
Speaker 1:Now you see the crowd. I keep Tommy, and Chuck's going to love that. I told him it's Tom, tommy, so I think I'm going to go with Tommy, and Chuck's going to love that. I told him it's Tom, tommy, tommy, so I think I'm going to go with Tommy. He goes if you call him Tommy. I'm calling him Tommy.
Speaker 6:Well, chuck might get a good swift kick in the nuts for it but you got to come to California to catch me. Hey, I know people in California. Matt lives. Our cohost Matt lives in California.
Speaker 2:He's a Navy vet and I know for sure he knows where your nutsack is. Oh dang, no, he doesn't those submariners.
Speaker 1:you know, it's in my wife's purse. A hundred sailors go down, 50 couples come back up. Is that what they say?
Speaker 6:Thoughts on patrol officer's video and qualified immunity to save taxpayer money and respond to it. It's a 12-minute video. That sounds terrible.
Speaker 1:Space Frog is one of our regulars and keeps us on our toes. But yeah, I do plan just so you know Space Frog I plan to have a qualified immunity episode where I'm going to have Von Kleem, which sounds like a villain, but he's not. He's the Force Science guru, like from Force Science, the actual company. Yeah, we had him on the podcast one time and it went nuts. I've never gotten more calls. Even when I had Kyle Rittenhouse on, I never got more calls than when I had Von Kleem on, with people like, just how the fuck did you get von kleem? I'm like, how the fuck did you know who he is? I never heard of the dude. Apparently law enforcement. If you're like a real professional, you all know who he is.
Speaker 6:Um, I'm not a real professional I am, yeah, the furthest well, and I've been retired for a long time, so I don don't know anybody anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that was from Banning. Banning was boys with him and made the magic happen. So thanks for that, banning.
Speaker 8:Just a blessing from the folks I've met during this LinkedIn journey and now podcast journey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so Banning's the one that opened my eyes. That's actually how Banning and I kind of met was through LinkedIn. Even though our agencies kind of touch tips, oh, they went to.
Speaker 6:SWAT training together.
Speaker 1:I got linked up with Banny on LinkedIn, who's got like 30,000, 40,000 followers on LinkedIn. I'm like am I missing? Is there something here that I didn't know about?
Speaker 6:Chuck, why didn't we have Banning on our show yet?
Speaker 2:First of all, I just learned about LinkedIn this year to apply for jobs. I never thought it was a social media thing. I thought it was just to apply for jobs with resumes.
Speaker 6:Chuck's also had a hard time understanding how the Google calendar works.
Speaker 2:First of all, that's a user error on your part, because you never sent me the correct uh request per.
Speaker 1:Do me a favor, take chuck over there. You talk to him. I'll go talk to tommy and we'll figure out what the story is. We'll get together. It sounds like we got a domestic going on, but rate both parties yeah, if I were to guess who the aggressor is going to be, it's probably going to be Tommy.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Tommy, you're probably going to go to jail. I'd fire all the shots.
Speaker 6:She probably should have gone to jail years ago.
Speaker 1:Oh shit For those listening. I'm sorry this is how this is going to go tonight. I see it happening already. I want to say, kenny, your fucking bar is legit dude.
Speaker 6:I thought he was a DJ. You look like you're at work. Although in today's climate, if you're going to have the bottom of a solid red flag behind you, you need to lower it a little bit to show what the rest of it is.
Speaker 1:I did not see that coming.
Speaker 7:That's definitely an Irish flag and that's orange.
Speaker 6:Oh, is it Okay yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, to be fair, his whole shtick is off of his red ninja, he's a ginger. That's the ninja comment there. But kenny tommy chuck, thanks for joining us. Um, if you guys have never done this before, we interact a lot with the people that chat. Um, so if they ask questions and stuff, we'll we'll. We'll pause it or highlight what they got to say. Like space frog Vaughn is so sexy it looks like some of your guys are actually chiming in. Mr Nice Guy 7613 popped on. Thank you for joining us. Appreciate you guys joining your channel up. I don't know whose channel is whose, it doesn't tell me. So, lee Newton Rhodes, appreciate you joining in. Good evening, sir Vaughn smells like love and fresh cut grass. Greg Eliason he is one of my helpers with the social media side on my Facebook stuff, but he says I think the devil dog could take Tommy.
Speaker 6:You haven't seen how short he is.
Speaker 2:I'm 5'8" With the heels on. No, I'm wearing slippers. I'm 5'8". I just got measured. I got measured the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Right, let me. I want to check something real quick. Oh, there we go. That biggie size is a little bit better. Look at that. I know I'm that biggie size is a little bit better. I know I'm always learning new stuff, like banning's green screen that we've been trying to get right for the last 40 minutes shit it's from timu man.
Speaker 8:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm doing the best this would be like this big well it is.
Speaker 1:He bought 80 of them on accident.
Speaker 6:They taped them together.
Speaker 1:Okay. So what we do if you're new to this is we will watch body cam footage together, all of us being law enforcement professionals, air quotes, and what we will do is we will pretend that we are the officers in the video and kind of pause and discuss, like, okay, from here, this is what I see, this is what I would do. It's a little bit different than Monday morning quarterback and watching a video and go, well, this is where the officer fucked up and this is where the bad guys should have done that. You know we don't do that. Inevitably. It does kind of happen where we will see an officer screw up as we're discussing and we'll tell like okay, I would have done this here. And then we play and the officer really screws the pooch.
Speaker 1:We've not watched any of these videos. We all do take a little self-accountability when I pull these videos up. I did pull them up at random from Police Activity on YouTube, their channel. So if you have seen it, just say I'll stay out of this one. I've already seen this video, got it. That's kind of the route we take. It does take quite a while to get through just one five-minute video.
Speaker 6:I can imagine Look how long the intro is taking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, this is to give. See, you'll learn, man, when you do these lives.
Speaker 6:you got to give time for people to get in here, your guys' channels are really starting to pop up now. I'm seeing all the people coming. We're going live later.
Speaker 1:Hopefully you'll join us later. Yeah, yeah, I haven't had too much celebration of the hockey team playing, I hope, the red one wins. The red team is up 177-99 right now. Go sports.
Speaker 6:Go sports. Oh wait, I have a score update. The red team is at 195. That's right, and the blue team is at 113.
Speaker 1:I don't have that. Mine's still at 177-99. You must have the CNN version. I have 154.
Speaker 6:If it was the CNN version.
Speaker 2:I have 154.
Speaker 6:If it was the CNN version, it would be the blue team $195.
Speaker 1:Didn't one of them get in trouble or supposedly leak the election results?
Speaker 6:Well, I think, once they add California, I think California is a gimme for the blue team and that would get them to $167.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I can't math, so I'll just trust y'all. Yeah, there you go. The important thing, folks, is just get out there and root for your team. As long as you root for them, you at least have a voice, but anyway. So what we'll do is we'll pull up a video and we'll get to going, and I will let y'all our new guys Kenny, tommy, chuck I'll let y'all start. You'll start it off. I'll let you guys kind of get the ball rolling with it.
Speaker 1:First, shout out to Police Activity. That is who we are getting this content from. Today. I am going to share their channel. We're not affiliated with them in any way, but I like to give credit where credit is due. This is the channel that we are taking everything from today. Make sure you guys like subscribe, do all the things for them, because they do take the time to pull all of this public uh footage and share it without messing with it. So that is why we use them so often.
Speaker 1:But, with that said, the other part is we don't read any of the details until afterwards, guys. So we will. Oh, we're raw talking, yeah, yeah, we watch it with no prior knowledge of what's going on Nice. And then, that way. The idea is for people to kind of see the mindset and training of all of us as police officers across the nation, and how we're similar but we're different, and how the job we all get to be our own boss and make these types of decisions based on what we see and how we were trained. So it's kind of fun. All right, let's uh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's not what we wanted. We got to share this tab instead, and now we can biggie size this one.
Speaker 6:What's nice for me is being retired. I can say the, I can say what's on my mind and not have to worry about my agency trying to stick it up, oh yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1:That's why I have the disclaimer that you missed at the beginning. Whatever my guests say is nothing.
Speaker 6:The opinions of me are not necessarily the opinions of anyone else on earth, exactly.
Speaker 1:Ozark. Okay, Ozark, I got the bigger screen. Or were you talking about this one? Is that the one? She probably wanted that one? Hey, I'm a people pleaser, that's what we got. Let's go Okay. Body cam footage typically no, we got Hadron's on in a truck. If I were to guess he's looking for that truck.
Speaker 6:Yeah, there's already a unit right there.
Speaker 2:All right, schwab, all yours, he's looking for that truck yeah, there's, there's already a unit right there ready all right, you got all the information.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to pause from here, because one of the things we already know that we have is a pursuit. So, tommy, I'll let you lead the way on this one. You know you're getting in a pursuit. We don't know why yet, but obviously there's some sort of justification. What are you starting to look at right now?
Speaker 6:Well, immediately, I'm thinking about where are we turning into? Do I know this location? Is this it? It's some sort of apartment complex, barracks, something or other, some sort of housing complex, and I'm wondering is there an outlet right? What's on the other side? Uh, is this a known location? Is this a doper location? Um, there's that yellow triangle or yellow diamond sign right there, which is usually an indication of like there's some sort of road hazard, turn, no, turnout, something like that. So I'm starting to think, as you're turning in here, is there a way out? And and what's, what's something that is in this complex? What is the knowns and the unknowns?
Speaker 1:Okay, Chuck, you got anything to add on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to put out my location immediately. I mean, you're probably already broadcasting it, but I'm going to make sure that the radio traffic and the dispatch and everyone else knows where I'm going. And cause he's probably getting ready to either foot bail or pulling into some sort of residential neighborhood. And at that point now I normally run a partner, so I'd be telling my partner like hey, get ready to bail a few bails and start having that communication within the car. And yeah, that's probably where I'd be at right then and there Kenny you got anything new.
Speaker 7:The only thing I'd be worried about is like time and day, like, is it school getting out? What's going on in this neighborhood? Something along those lines. Maybe try to get dogs and set up for perimeter.
Speaker 6:If he Casey does bail on foot something along those lines, gotcha Fair enough. Um, for me one traffic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does look like barracks, uh, or section eight, housing something to that effect Um so anytime they start to go into something like this, for me what I really start to worry about is who have they called ahead of time to run interference or take them in or anything like that? Because a lot of times they're going to a known place, so that would be a concern of mine. Banny, you got anything?
Speaker 8:Just on the whole beginning of it. You know why are we there? What's our legal justification? Do we know who this is? Is there anybody in danger if we cut the pursuit off? If we write paper on it next time as a young officer out there, boy, you get those blinders on. You just want to chase, chase, chase. Give you that foot pursuit, then go do the paperwork, but just just the safety of it. Right now it's just like you say, going into kind of this fishbowl neighborhood. He's got two other units with him that'll look like when he when he flipped around on him. Is he going to come back out on that pavement? Do we have enough to spike him? What's the, what's the agency's direction on that? I mean, there's just a lot of dynamic moving parts right now with this yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6:I think I'm taking for granted that hopefully they've put out the suspicion, the suspicious circs, the probable cause, the reason that you're just going to flip on this truck right away, go cherries and blueberries and go full code. I mean he was hauling ass to catch this truck, yeah, and he is already, you know, breaking world land speed records and cutting off traffic and doing all kinds of the hazard driving. So I would hope that when this came out over the air during the portion of the video that was muted is why he's chasing this.
Speaker 7:But you never know yeah yeah multiple squad cars lined up waiting for this dude to come by, like they already have some idea what, who it is.
Speaker 1:Yep, that was my vibe too, but they already. They already knew why they were going after this dude, so let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Okay, I've got.
Speaker 1:Alright, so you're near the guinea, coming back out to 71 traffic's. What I would consider light, um, not, this is, this is good pursuit traffic for me. Um, we don't have any residential homes on the side, so safety concerns. We've got train tracks on one side. This is kind of optimal pursuit. Good daylight.
Speaker 2:Great roads, those are some great roads. I've never had a pursuit this clear. Well, I mean you work in a shithole.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so there's that truck. So we saw that darker colored truck, not this lighter colored red truck, I think it's an undercover Right. So I'm wondering if that's a UC vehicle or somebody that was already following the truck and they needed to wait for marked units, and as soon as he saw the marked units he turned his hazards on Yep, yep, I agree.
Speaker 1:That's. That's a good cause.
Speaker 4:That's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm reading some of the comments here. Mr Nice guy said he didn't know it was a dead end, so he probably doesn't know where he is. Great point, yeah, or yeah, um, or he was swinging around to see if one of his boys was outside, or something like that, and didn't see him it was like I gotta keep going.
Speaker 6:Well, a lot of guys, especially because I worked in an area that had some rural areas like this and guys will know they can cut down a residential street and then cut over like a, a dirt you know grassy area like that hit that looked like a cul-de-sac at the end of that apartment complex area and then try and get back out. He could have been trying to double back with high-speed counter driving at that point. It may indicate that he does know where he's going and he's trying to lose the tail but, he doesn't know that cops will beat the shit out of their cars.
Speaker 5:Yeah, in.
Speaker 6:Arkansas, for for sure, it's not our car. All right, uh, how do you guys feel about his follow distance?
Speaker 1:His follow distance is terrible, if that's what he intends to do?
Speaker 2:I think he's getting ready to pit. He is, yeah, I hope he is.
Speaker 6:I hope he's going to pit, because that follow distance is no reactionary gap whatsoever, correct?
Speaker 8:And is this possibly, maybe a stolen? I mean, he's got paper tags on there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kenny, if you don't mind, sir, can you kind of explain what we mean when we're talking about follow distance and why that's important?
Speaker 7:Give me some reaction time. So if he was to hit another car, you're going to smash into this dude or your brakes fading because you're going so fast. There's so many other reasons that you should never be this close, unless you are trying to hit him, I would assume.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or trying to pit him? I would assume yeah. I'm so glad you brought up the phrase break fade because I put out a video and I got so much shit for it. Basically, a trooper or a patrol car was coming in hot on a freeway where a pursuit had been terminated or ended because of a pit maneuver and he was trying to come in hot so he can get there and get the guy before he foot bales. Well, his brake fade was so bad he slammed right into the bad guy's vehicle trying to avoid his partner's vehicle.
Speaker 1:So I'm trying to explain to people. You can hear the guy shit, I didn't mean to hit him. I didn't mean to hit him. Yeah, uh, he said it wouldn't stop and I tried to explain to people. I'm like, hey, just you know, there's a thing called brake fade and this is what happens you get in these pursuits and you're braking, braking, braking constantly.
Speaker 6:There's also brain fade where you know cops forget that cars have physical limits.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely so in that. And that's kind of what happened to this officer. Is he just got vapor locked in that? Oh my God, the guy's wrecked out. I've got to get up there and totally forgot about brake fade and it's a thing, and you'll put the brakes to the floor and it just takes its sweet time to stop.
Speaker 6:That's our tunnel vision too, and one of the things I love about Chuck and I do this a lot because we'll do some debriefs occasionally on our show and, uh, we will watch and we will talk about. One of the things I love to talk about is when you're when you're watching a pursuit, when you're when you're a lot of people that aren't cops just watch. But chuck and I like to listen because the tone of voice right will tell you a lot about the officer and their experience and their mindset. You know, when you have a guy suspects turning left 110 miles an hour, you know like you have this calm, quiet, right, right, and then and then you have to go he's turning you. You kind of know where their mind is at and if they're in tunnel vision, freak out like a high adrenaline, holy shit mode, or if they're just dialed in.
Speaker 1:The only time you get a pass for having an excited voice because I really don't think you can physically help it is when you are in a foot chase. Yeah.
Speaker 4:You're in a foot chase, it's really hard to stay.
Speaker 6:You sound like a toddler in the middle of crying, because great analogy yeah, I was in, that's why.
Speaker 2:But that's why you get an airship and you're like, hey, airship, you got my location yeah, broadcast for me thanks you're, you're, you're, you guys are rich, you guys are, you're big, agencying these people dude for smaller agencies.
Speaker 6:You call for air, right, and it's somebody else's air. And I I know this because I work for a smaller agency and we had to call for somebody else's air. You call for air and what you get is, uh, negative, air is not available, there's gravity out oh my gosh funny in 72.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about?
Speaker 6:Sorry, we can't fly because of weather.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, banning. Comes from a very rural area, so banning, tell me, tell them how long your backup would be not including air.
Speaker 8:So typically when I was on patrol I had over 920 plus square miles, it could take an hour and 15 minutes to get to a call running code and your, your speedometer is decked out trying to get there. And you, you ask for backup as you're going, especially if there's weapons. Well, they've got to usually call a deputy that may be in a surrounding County and then they're trying to maybe locate a, a Texas trooper that's probably at the border or at the Capitol doing a rotation because of our wonderful issues that we're having on and South Texas. So maybe you get a game warden, maybe a park police officer if they're, if they're having to pass through, but usually on felony stops, stolen vehicles, I'd say eight times out of 10, these deputies are on their own and it's a yeah, we had a deputy and he we were talking to him.
Speaker 6:We had a deputy and we talked and he was out. Our city agency had to go back up a deputy who was out all by himself and when he put out his location we were the closest units in the city to respond because none of the other deputies were even remotely close and we were 20 minutes out.
Speaker 8:Code three Right, yeah, that's close. I do 20 minutes all day long. I got enough.
Speaker 6:You're like, I can hold them. I can hold a fight for 20 minutes, damn right.
Speaker 1:To be fair, if you can't tell by Banning's name alone, he is every bit of a Texas cowboy, who is like 6'5", 350 pounds of just solid muscle and he just sits on you and you're done Like what are you going to do? Yeah, you probably outrun him.
Speaker 8:Oh, I don't see, I don't chase people on foot. I think it's my childhood. No, no, you must be experienced.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Legend has it that one of the 4.6s bulls got out and Banning picked it up and put it back in the ring.
Speaker 8:Oh, I love it so a hundred percent I could see that.
Speaker 2:You saw that cop move that car. I could see him just grabbing the boy, just pushing that truck off the road.
Speaker 6:Oh my God, has it Banning. Once tried to make love to the new Ford Explorer at the department.
Speaker 1:It became a Tahoe. Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. Look at this Respect from Scotland.
Speaker 6:Laddie, I love it. That's the family right there. Scotland is keep I like it Fucking brave.
Speaker 1:Heck yeah, I think I'm going to drink to that Salud sir. I wish I had going to drink to that Salud sir. I wish I had a game, all right.
Speaker 6:Should we watch the rest of it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll get to it. That's what's fun about this. There's no pressure to sit here, although Greg will get on us If Greg's having a bad night. Greg Eliason, he's one of my moderators for my Facebook. If's having a bad night, he'll let me fucking know on here, he's like fuck play the video?
Speaker 6:I ain't got time I'm at work so ban, pravius, pravius, pravius. I don't know. He said banning is like a horror movie killer walks slowly but it's always right behind you. And I I worked with cops like that. They didn't run, they had a hurry mode, yeah, right, and the suspect would go over the fence and the cop would go through the fence.
Speaker 1:Aaron brown, love you wherever you are, south dakota through the fence, and fences are just obstacles that need to be moved, just right well he didn't hop anything, he just destroyed it all right, let's keep going. Oh yeah, oh Maybe.
Speaker 5:I'm over 10-16. Hey, hey.
Speaker 7:Okay. So from here, kenny, what's your next move?
Speaker 1:Surrounding car with my gun out waiting for them to see their hands Absolutely Like a felony stop is what we call that where I'm at. So, um, what do we like to do and what do we see happen often, especially with the georgia state? Police, or maybe pull them out by the win-win yeah, yeah, they're gonna, like duke's, hazard over the hood and pull them out, so that would would point their guns at it open, pop their doors and call them out.
Speaker 1:Yeah so when, for those listening, what we're talking about is they're going to get over the loudspeaker driver, show us your hand. Show us your hands like your left hand. Yeah, because, as you can see, all his airbags deployed, it is going to be impossible for us to see in there. It is not worth the risk. He's running for something, we don't know what it is, but it isn't worth the risk to go up to those windows and try to get this guy out. So, play it safe, call the guy out. Maybe he'll say I'm stuck, something to that effect. Maybe he won't say shit, which that always sucks and uh. But eventually you're either gonna have to stack up and move closer. When you got enough officers which I think they had plenty, judging by the fleet they had coming after this guy. If not, they'll call him back to where they're at Now because it rolled. It's reasonable that he may be injured.
Speaker 7:Depending on the scenario, a dog would be great right here if he doesn't count.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so I'm in the minority on this one. Guys, I realize dogs are a tool for police, but I'm too attached to a dog. You wouldn't send a dog I wouldn't send a dog.
Speaker 6:He's such a good boy. I would be like shout out to Guitarshal Arts, who joined the chat. He's one of our guys. He made it to a live show for the first time and it's not one of ours. Which one is it? I don't see. Oh, he's way up top. Okay, he actually. So guitar show arts. Uh, if he's, he's been a guest on the show. He's a veteran.
Speaker 1:He's uh served in, uh sang in afghanistan, so hell yeah one of our boys has been, uh, must've been air force security forces like me, sf baby.
Speaker 6:Yes, a lot of air force security forces in the same alley Salutes like me, sir, hey.
Speaker 1:I wore a beret. Sir, I was a fish. I knew you did All right.
Speaker 6:All right, let's keep going. Oh, you mean it, you wore a beret, oh you mean, if you're in the military, you wore a beret.
Speaker 1:Oh sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:No, I had raspberry berets for a man on Saturday Hands Show me your hands, show me your hands. Hands, show me your fucking hands.
Speaker 1:We call that potty language is escalated.
Speaker 6:I see a hand right there. You're using the language of the people you were serving.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's tabby. Yes, regular language didn't work until he dropped the F-bomb. And now look what's popped out the top there. Show me your hand On the ground.
Speaker 5:On it, on it, get out On the ground, get the fuck out of the window.
Speaker 1:That is the universal sign of defeat. Right there you got me.
Speaker 6:I like this bad guy. You got him. It is a tricky tree, look at that hey go grab him real quick.
Speaker 9:Don't put handcuffs on him. Who else is in the car besides you two?
Speaker 1:Okay, here comes the tricky part, because he's going up there by himself I don't know if there's one or two people in there and what are you going to do? Are you going to try to open that door? I doubt it's going to open Window. Are you going to cuff him here?
Speaker 6:So here's the thing At that point I I'm just gonna have him crawl the fuck out.
Speaker 1:I yeah, I am, I am just gonna be like no crawl.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, I'm fucked up. I can't no crawl. Yeah, I don't care. Right, like I'm not, I'm not playing at this point. What do you think?
Speaker 7:yeah, I think he tried and then the guy just like went that defeated mode where he's like limp on the door. So I don, yeah, I agree with you, I would want him out of the car if possible.
Speaker 6:Yeah. I mean okay his legs might be pinned, sure they might be double broken femur.
Speaker 1:Tommy Chucky was trying to talk. What was he trying to talk? Chucky, chucky, you're saying, you say what you want to say.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, oh shit, um. So I would just give them clear and concise instructions. I mean that, yeah, they're get the fuck out of the car, get out, get out. But really you're not telling them to do anything other than get out, get out and run, get out. That's what you're going to face in court, right? So you have to answer for your actions or you're giving, so give clear, concise instructions, crawl out of that window. If that door doesn't open, you're going to crawl out of that window, I don't care. And then you're going to get on this.
Speaker 2:You put your uh, your stomach onto the floor um, look forward, face away from me, put your hands out and then prone his ass out on the ground and then you can call for another officer, if there is one. I mean it looks they're troopers, so they're, they probably are running one in a car. He's probably got one guy behind him and that other truck's probably way behind him. So I mean you could prone him out and wait for a second to see if there's anyone else in the car so you can do another call. But I would definitely give some clear and concise instructions, because I've seen it far too many times you just start yelling and barking orders. They don't know where to go. They get confused. I've seen that so many times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Banning, you got anything bud?
Speaker 8:If he's hurting, I'd also write him a seatbelt ticket and be done.
Speaker 2:I almost came out my nose.
Speaker 6:I'll say this, though I'm not comfortable with him approaching like that when the driver is unsecured, I'm with you. I'm with you. That's why I like the calling is unsecured, I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 1:That's why I like the calling him out and I'm gonna make him come back to me. Yes, and here, and and if he's not able to come out.
Speaker 6:Okay, cool, drape both your broke ass arms out the window and hang there while I deal with the driver who I cannot see, and if you move you might get dealt with and then leave him there. You can see him. You cannot see the driver, so he is a known. The driver is an unknown. You saw one hand of the driver, right. So at this point I'm thinking okay, leave Billy Bob hanging out the window with his broke-ass arms and deal with Jimmy Lee in the driver's seat and get him known.
Speaker 1:That's Banning's family. You don't talk about it with people like that.
Speaker 7:I feel like at this point you can slow down and you have a lot of time now.
Speaker 6:Slow way down. Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 7:You still want to run up there and get him out of the car, but he can literally, like all right, deal with this one. I can see your hands Both of us deal with this one, and then we can go right together, right fair to say that that truck is no longer going to take off on them.
Speaker 6:I don't think so yeah, it only lost, I think, two tires I'm waiting for the other state trooper that's going to come from the front and ram it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just to make sure I think greg's got a good point. He goes it's a trooper, he's definitely going to write a belt ticket. Um, honestly, that is what the other officer's doing right now. He's writing hold on, keep him there. We've got to get this ticket written out.
Speaker 6:I love that at city agencies that black thing across his back is the mic cord, but at the state trooper level it's still a suicide strap.
Speaker 1:I don't know what that thing is.
Speaker 6:It's a Sam Brown suicide strap. It's the old leather. There's so many of these state agencies. They still wear Brown suicide strap. It's the old leather. There's so many of these state agencies. They still wear the leather.
Speaker 1:Just because of the custom.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I know Kansas is a huge one. They have to wear it.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I say with that they wear the most like ornate, fricking leather gear and have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shelby's being a party pooper. There's too many cooks in this kitchen. You know what? Nobody Shelby's being a party pooper. There's too many cooks in this kitchen. You know what? Nobody told you you had to eat, shelby. It's like you can go without food.
Speaker 6:Shelby, we'll see you at locker room if you don't want to do this. This is what we do. We just sit here and bullshit.
Speaker 1:This is what's funny is people get so excited about the video. And they're like shut the fuck up and play the video. Hey, this is what you signed up for, folks. All right All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Why is this happening? Why is this happening? Why is this happening? I can't, I can't Get off of me. I can't, sir. Hey, get out on it. I didn't do anything, sir, on the ground. Yes, sir, I didn't do anything.
Speaker 4:Who else is in the car on the ground? Yes, sir, I didn't do anything. Who else is in the car? I didn't do anything, I promise. Is there anybody?
Speaker 9:else in it. I'm down, I'm going to pull your fucking head off. Yes, sir, put your hands behind your back, right fucking down. You just keep your fucking hands right there. Put that seat up.
Speaker 5:Put that seat up, yeah girl.
Speaker 9:Oh God sir, I don put that seat up.
Speaker 5:put that seat up yeah, girl, we got an ambulance around, we're fine and scene secure.
Speaker 1:Alright, wow, blow your fucking head off.
Speaker 6:I don't hate that, but just wow, I'm so disappointed for them.
Speaker 1:That was Arkansas. That's exactly how I thought that that was going to go.
Speaker 6:I thought it was going to go like that, but much faster.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know a fun fact about Arkansas? No, the red team just won in Arkansas.
Speaker 1:Dang, the hockey games are going pretty well.
Speaker 6:Yeah, 195 to 117 still. Red team won Arkansas.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me refresh here Show you what? That is, I'm sitting at 99-178. You got to go to, I'm just using Google.
Speaker 2:Are you looking at the house? Are you looking?
Speaker 1:at no, I'm looking at the uh, the um mix for tommy I'm looking at 162, 81.
Speaker 2:We all have different answers.
Speaker 6:They're all calling it at different rates. All the all the different people call it at different rates, but I'm just I'm looking at you know the one I like? Uh, my hockey game is actually 2-1 la, which is all that matters really there's.
Speaker 1:There's my hockey game right now. That's what I'm saying. Let me refresh yep, that's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 6:Let me refresh, yep, that's what it shows which shows you how much I care about you, eric and Chuck and and banning and any, all this, all of you. I'm missing an actual Kings game to be here with you. So I love you guys.
Speaker 5:Oh, thanks buddy.
Speaker 1:Appreciate it.
Speaker 6:Um, oh, thanks, buddy appreciate it um feelings, not mutual.
Speaker 1:So, uh, anyway, I'm used to, I'm used to loving myself. Oh, I'm just fucking with you. Uh, I love this beer, I'm digging this beer that I got right now. Kenny is got like 17 bottles of jameson behind him.
Speaker 6:Yeah, by the way chuck somebody in the chat like hours ago asked if you had a dad's root beer koozie. So you have to show people your koozie oh.
Speaker 2:It's dad, it's man, the myth, the legend and yeah.
Speaker 5:With the Rocky music Hell yeah.
Speaker 2:That's my. That's my. I got it for Father's Day. That is legit.
Speaker 1:Nice. We got an applause going on Nice.
Speaker 6:I'm hooked up to our full setup, so if you hear random sound effects, I might have to throw them at you. Are you doing?
Speaker 1:the Rodecaster Pro 2?.
Speaker 6:No, I do the Tascam Mixcast young man, fancy, fancy.
Speaker 1:Going to the comments, brandon Sterling in the house, by the way, a regular of the show. He says that trooper is just taking all the risks. City cops like I don't give a shit.
Speaker 6:Get out of the car. Okay. So I'm disappointed that they did all this at the car. Right, if it's me and he's like I'm dragging his ass away from the car, right, right, if, if it's me and he's like you know, I'm dragging his ass away from the car and I'm doing my, my, my business work away from the car, he's. He's literally standing over top of him, straddling him, looking in the car. Is there anybody else in the car? Is there anybody else?
Speaker 7:in the car. What?
Speaker 6:yeah, I am so disappointed. What was that?
Speaker 7:There's a female in the backseat of the car Is there. I heard him say, I heard a girl talk and someone said, yeah, there's a girl back here.
Speaker 6:So do we think that's the driver that moved over to the passenger seat?
Speaker 7:No, I think the driver's out and the other two had addressed him on the ground on the driver's side.
Speaker 6:I think there's three people in the car I'm, my guess in the car drivers down on the ground and the other two guys on the driver's side are actually dealing with that issue. Then we're we're watching the arkansas state trooper deal with the past bub of the passenger hanging out, and then there's a gal in the back who's like. They just picked me up at the motel six and promised me 20 bucks for a blow job, right?
Speaker 1:well, let's, let's keep playing right here. Come on, I'm trying.
Speaker 5:I'm trying. Let's go, Step out of the car. Man. I'm trying. I have nothing to do with anything. Okay, well, we're going to handle that, but we're going to get you to sleep forever. Okay, I'm just asleep. Put your hands behind your back. You weren't asleep.
Speaker 9:I'm pushing. No, I wasn't no, I wasn't no, I wasn't no.
Speaker 3:I wasn't All right.
Speaker 6:That's an Arkansas 7. Right there, boys, they scored she's an Arkansas 7.
Speaker 2:That chick beat up from the feet up.
Speaker 6:I mean she's an LA 3, but she is an Arkansas 7.
Speaker 1:Y'all mean Come on now.
Speaker 6:Was she wearing a safety flotation ring Is?
Speaker 3:that what it was.
Speaker 6:Was she wearing a life donut?
Speaker 1:ring. All right, let's change it up. Let's go to a new video here. Share screen Florida man.
Speaker 6:Oh, Florida man yes. You know it's going to be good Police activity Florida man.
Speaker 5:Office.
Speaker 3:What's going on?
Speaker 1:Oh, there's a guy in the field.
Speaker 9:Taking a nap.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 9:You have my record, police record.
Speaker 3:I've got nothing, sir. Sir, all we got was a phone call saying you were at a cemetery which didn't wasn't the case I'm I'm so concerned right now because do you see what's in the field?
Speaker 2:that's a plane on an airstrip is he contacting the red Baron?
Speaker 6:What is happening?
Speaker 1:We're about to see some shit. How are you going to follow that?
Speaker 6:He contacts him and he's like do you know about my criminal history? Yeah, that's a red flag, that's a way to lead a conversation.
Speaker 1:At least we're calling it a clue.
Speaker 7:It's like basically you know, they call me Billy the Kid right.
Speaker 9:Oh, this is gonna be interesting would you call in dispatch or have one more cop come out please?
Speaker 3:just call me here what is?
Speaker 1:because you ain't enough son that's concerning again.
Speaker 6:Like he's like hey, you're to need another cop, yeah, so for me.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie. If I see his hands are clear right now, I may bum rush him because I'm that confident in myself. But I may go, neon.
Speaker 2:That's right, because you have that Brazilian jiu-jitsu background. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I may go neon belly right here. He's already in a compromised position, so if he decides to get stupid, I've got all I need to cuff him right now, and you're going to need another cop.
Speaker 2:Tase the shit out of him.
Speaker 1:A little aggressive Might work in Florida or Georgia.
Speaker 6:What is it you need Guitar shorts.
Speaker 3:It's Snoopy. Okay well, you called us, so you must need us for something. You're good sir so what is it going on? What is it you called us out here for? I'll tell them.
Speaker 9:I don't know what did dispatch say?
Speaker 3:they told us that you called, said people were after you, you were in the trees. And then a second call came in. You said you were at the cemetery.
Speaker 9:Okay, that's all we've been told and are you guys here to like, protect and serve my best interests?
Speaker 3:I'm here because you called. I'm not sure what it is we can do for you. That's what we're trying to figure out, Okay. Well, if all you've done is use drugs prior to us being here and you're not in possession of any drugs, there's nothing we can do about your probation. I can't violate you for having consumed something prior to my arrival.
Speaker 1:You absolutely can. What the fuck are you talking about? He's dispoing it. Yeah, he doesn't want to take the call.
Speaker 2:No, he's like. I don't want to impound a plane, oh sir.
Speaker 8:Eric, it's day shift.
Speaker 6:It's day shift and they haven't had lunch, yet this is a day shift call. He does not know how to deal with a plane and a guy who's high on probation. He's like if this ain't a theft report, it's a call notes, yeah. Yeah, oh this guy's with an FI.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, see, here's one of my day shift friends right now.
Speaker 6:I just leave. They call me Bobby the pot fly and pilot. Yeah, really, why do they call you that?
Speaker 1:You figure it out. Take Tom out into the plane Smoking a joint.
Speaker 6:Anybody ever hear Bales of Cocaine by Reverend Horton Heat? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3:What is it you need of us right now? Sounds like from what we got from this gentleman. This isn't where you live.
Speaker 9:I'm thinking about moving in Psychiatric what would you live? I'm thinking about moving in.
Speaker 3:Psychiatric. Who would you recommend? I need psychiatric. It's up to you. Do you want us to drive you somewhere? Because we can take you to the closest facility? If you want to go, what's that? From here, the closest place would be the Vine. Have you ever been there?
Speaker 5:No.
Speaker 3:Is that something you're interested in?
Speaker 1:Do you want to go to?
Speaker 3:the facility. I'm taking the county line. Sir, Are you thinking?
Speaker 9:about injuring yourself, hurting yourself in any way. No, I'm thinking about laying here until the stars come out Laying here.
Speaker 3:I'm going to be in control with another black male subject in the middle of the field.
Speaker 9:Your GPS Great.
Speaker 1:Now let's put real cop hats on for a second. Right now we don don't have an offense.
Speaker 6:Well, him saying he used drugs and he's on probation. You could do an offense on that. But other than that, I mean, how many of us are really going to pursue a probation violation like that at this point? Right, like you have? You have nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have almost nothing ward said like, pilots aren't known for their drinking.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's a little bit more.
Speaker 6:Western or Southwest?
Speaker 3:Okay, so what is it we can do for you, sir? If you want to go to a facility to be seen a psychiatric facility an ambulance can take you to the hospital. They will screen you, they will ensure that you're in're in what's that?
Speaker 6:can we talk about that hair for a second? I've worked with a lot of female cops and knee to the face handles is one of the things I've always had a problem with you don't like the high bun uh, I mean, it is what it is, but damn, you are going to lead her around by that top knot, and unless she has a samurai sword, I don't want to see a top knot. It's got to be tight to the head. It's tactical, that's all I want to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my argument is if you're good with grappling, I welcome people to grab my head, grab my vest, whatever, whatever you grab.
Speaker 6:I appreciate that argument. I will counter with do you think she's good at grappling?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'm not going to make assumptions here In good health.
Speaker 3:this facility can receive you and then you can get transported to the facility and then they will see you on a voluntary basis, meaning that you'll sign yourself in, you'll say I'm here for these reasons, and then they will see you on a voluntary basis, meaning that you'll sign yourself in, you'll say I'm here for these reasons and then they will talk with you and then, if there's an actual thing, they can provide for you a service, or they can admit you somewhere or they can provide treatment. They will do that. You're not giving me a reason to send you there against your will. You're asking to go there voluntarily.
Speaker 1:The fuck Don't say that.
Speaker 6:You don't say that you're not giving me a reason, he's just, he's not he. Oh man, this is a masterclass in kissing off calls and I don't think I think those are two buns on either side, by the way. I don't think that's one bun.
Speaker 1:Well it's florida mickey mouse. They got a mini mouse, they have to represent contract disney's paying for.
Speaker 6:She's a dis Disney resource officer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no matter what you do, it's got to be subliminal messages everywhere. They get paid. Banning man the verbiage on that I'm not. I don't like that. He said that You're not giving me a reason If you're a new cop out there, don't do that shit.
Speaker 8:Just make an action, get done with it and go on to the next. Get the guy some help, if he needs some help, and go on to the next call.
Speaker 6:He's basically saying, sir, what can I say to make this go away?
Speaker 8:If it's voluntary, get a friggin' ambulance there. If it's voluntary, he's not fighting. Anybody doesn't have free active warrants yep, done.
Speaker 1:I think what he's really saying is please do something stupid, because I just challenged you well, ozark said it right.
Speaker 6:He says, I bet he gives the officer a reason and there's all these red flags, but you've got an officer that's at like condition code seven, like he's ready for lunch, and this guy's yeah, all right, all right, let's keep going.
Speaker 3:And so that's what I'm trying to do, is I'm trying to provide that opportunity.
Speaker 9:I'm actually screwed.
Speaker 3:Why do you say that? Well, you're in the middle of the field right now. It's probably one thing you shouldn't be in the middle of. How did you get here? You walked from where You're not living out here, so how did you get here? I?
Speaker 9:have some point. Take a step back. 20 feet.
Speaker 3:Why no? Why are you asking me to step back? What's going on? Where are you asking me?
Speaker 5:to step back. What's going on? Where are y'all's two? Okay?
Speaker 6:He's running to their patrol cars he's going to take one of them patrol cars.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the thing. Right now, as long as I know, my cars are locked like they should be, and for every rookie out there listening, this is why you lock your shit up. I'm hoping that's what happens.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it's right there in the title. I apologize, Other than that.
Speaker 1:I'm not chasing this dude. I'll be doing the same thing. Where are you going? All right, we got no offense.
Speaker 3:Is your car locked? No, I just locked it.
Speaker 9:Hey, hey.
Speaker 2:Go, baby go.
Speaker 3:He tried blaming the female officer in a green Uber. Hold the station man. It's on my vehicle. I'm tempted to take it today.
Speaker 9:Hey.
Speaker 3:He's role-playing the cop too. You got to be quick in the net 65, you're behind OPD, we're westbound.
Speaker 7:All right.
Speaker 1:Wow, I like this guy a lot more now.
Speaker 6:Wow wow, I like this guy a lot more now. Um, wow, he's gonna try to blame the female officer right, right quick.
Speaker 2:So is that your car?
Speaker 1:no, no is it locked it's not my car, I locked it oh well, him driving it away says otherwise, sir, and turns out the keys are in it too, yeah, right all right, banning.
Speaker 8:You're the supervisor on this one uh, do I go back to the one that I really had? Oh no, I guess we'll do this one.
Speaker 8:Uh, this, this is, uh, this is a no shit moment for the for the officer that obviously didn't lock his car because this was turned into a huge hill when this could have been. Uh, what is other referred to as a 10803, no report going to the next, and now we've got freaking theft of a police car. So it's a big deal. All we can do now is call it out and rely on the agencies that are close to us to try to get this thing to come to a peaceful ending.
Speaker 6:But this is not going to be an attaboy in that officer's file and legit question At what point would you guys have cleared?
Speaker 8:In the officer's file and legit question at what point would you guys have cleared in the very beginning? For me, I mean, unless the owner of that land is calling in and if it's open there's fences, there's no expectation to to people being off the land or whatever. I mean it's you're that this was. This was all drawn upon. The officer not doing what a lot of officers would. It's just clear. He's not a. He's not. He said he doesn't have a knife to himself. He's not trying to hurt himself. He wasn't trying to friggin' take the plane. Looks to me like he's waiting for a brush hog. I don't know.
Speaker 6:T-Word. Dear chief, what happened was? We say that on our show a lot, but I will say this there is no point at which it sounds like to your point Banning this there's.
Speaker 5:There is no point at which, like it sounds like to your point banning this guy, and I am in no way encouraging us to rewind it, but it sounds like he is the one who called right, you called out and said yeah, and he says I don't know, you called us here, yeah.
Speaker 6:So I feel like this guy was looking for an uber, yeah, and he figured a police car would do, yeah I.
Speaker 8:I'm sure in the past 48 hours he was on k2 or meth, one of the two, just the way he's.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't have left simply because I want to avoid this. The next calls that he's going to either put in himself or make somebody else call on him. So I probably would have like tried to talk to him, do whatever I could. However, like the whole, like I said, the criminal history and all that shit I would, I probably would have went up there and put my hands on him Just because I was getting if anything I've got abuse of 911. Like you called, you didn't have a reason for us to be here. You're having some sort of mental issue and it just seems like a safety issue when you tell me I need to get another officer.
Speaker 6:See, for us, abusive 911 would have been anorexic then, but I could have articulated that he's 51, 49 and a half and for my own safety, now, because of the way he's acting, he's altered and I'm gonna say you know what? I'm just gonna put you in cuffs for my safety and let you sit down while we figure this out. Yeah, and, and so I would have at least cuffed him up and put him on his ass and made him cross his feet. And while we were having that conversation, there was no world in which I would have let him have that conversation with free use of his limbs I do love the slow sprint that he had going going all the way to that car.
Speaker 3:That could have been completely prevented.
Speaker 6:They just put a little effort Also he did not just drive into the field, he parked like 100 yards away and then walked up to this dude. Was he trying to respect?
Speaker 1:the grass, maybe the wildfires or something, I don't know. I don't know. In texas that's a problem, like I would in in our fields in texas, especially after spring. I'm not driving into grass that long yeah, yeah, wildfire.
Speaker 6:Tim the wordsmith is one of our guys and he says what if you figured out how to trigger the unlock, uh, for the shotgun and rifle?
Speaker 1:and I mean that's 100, you, you have you never let people get in your car like, yeah, never um, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that officer, because it takes time and energy, he doesn't carry a shotgun and a rifle in his car.
Speaker 8:That's just the feeling I got oh uh ken.
Speaker 1:What do you think you?
Speaker 6:assume the partner knew. You know, we didn't assume the partner didn't know jujitsu, even though she has the two on her head.
Speaker 1:Kenny, what's going on? Man, I forgot you were here.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I'm completely dumbfounded by it. Like this whole incident, I've been anxious from the beginning, and I'm even more at this point.
Speaker 1:The level of stupidity that went on here, all right. Well, let's see how this In the Sarge.
Speaker 6:You can't terminate this.
Speaker 3:Get a pit on that car.
Speaker 6:Good, now we're passing our own units, that's not a pit sir. That's a side spike. It was a demolition derby and it wasn't successful, but we had the lights yet.
Speaker 9:So, that bugged.
Speaker 5:I'm trying to pit.
Speaker 1:There we go hold on. What do you think the citizens going through their mind right now?
Speaker 5:like what the?
Speaker 6:fuck is going on cop on cop violence happening right now he took the last donut I said I get the last chocolate more realistic to say he figured out he was sleeping with his wife oh man.
Speaker 1:you know what martin luther King would not approve of what is happening right now?
Speaker 6:No, he would not. And as Chris Rock says, anytime you see MLK Boulevard, the last thing you see is peace.
Speaker 1:Oh, that is old Kid Rock Chris.
Speaker 6:Rock, kid Rock too. Hey, all the Rocks, the Rock, kid Rock, chris Rock, yep, Whole Rock family.
Speaker 1:Is there any more more rocks that we're not thinking of? Do not let him get out of there, oh my god, now that is happening right away. That guy must be really excited. No, sir, that's what we were going to let him do. We were going to let him get out Unbelievable.
Speaker 5:He was like this Take your time, we've got all the time in the world, guys. Unbelievable.
Speaker 6:He's like this. Scream and yell, scream and yell.
Speaker 1:Also take your time Amped up, man. He must not have been in the field with him. Watch our crossfire, guys. Watch our crossfire. I like this guy.
Speaker 6:He's talking, he's communicating, he's watching, he's talking, he's communicating, he's watching, he's on camera.
Speaker 8:He was doing reports from night shift and he came out from the station.
Speaker 2:It does sound like a night shift cop.
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, he knows what. The hubby knows how to do police work. He's like I got 11 hours. They're probably going to stick them with the feet, hey man we're getting off here, away from him.
Speaker 9:Follow the instructions.
Speaker 1:Where's he looking? He's confused on the angle here. Got them, sirens.
Speaker 5:Got them, sirens, is he running Away? We're walking out.
Speaker 6:Away.
Speaker 9:I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, gentlemen. I told the cops twice.
Speaker 1:Gentlemen, it reminds me of that they're tugging my penis. Remember that old video.
Speaker 6:Oh shit, oh, gentlemen. Gentlemen, I do know your judo well, sir. What took you so long to get here?
Speaker 9:These guys showed up and I think the cops were false.
Speaker 5:There's something going on At the Hilltop.
Speaker 9:I think they're doing prostitution. Somebody ride with please. I think they're doing prostitution out there. I accidentally stole the car. The main guy stole the car.
Speaker 5:Let your hand go, let your hand go.
Speaker 9:I think I stole his car in 2020. Anyway, I was up there for the last week. They drugged me and I think they have other people in there. I came out and I was listening to the guy talk and he's like boss. I think this is the guy that stole your car earlier.
Speaker 1:I finally understand what is happening here. Boys, oh my.
Speaker 6:God, I get it.
Speaker 1:I see what's happening. I see him through. He set all this up because he had to make it look legit, because he's being followed and he had to have a legit arrest so he could snitch without looking like he's snitching. And what better way to say that I didn't snitch. I stole a police car, so now he can get the person that stole the car in 2020.
Speaker 6:So that I was trying to report prostitution to y'all.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 1:So I stole this car, wow, plaguing our Florida place that's great.
Speaker 6:All I wanted was to tell you that kim's house of massage is a rub and tug made me steal your police car just to, just to make the report guys.
Speaker 1:Space frog said sergeant on the radio, lock the doors when you get out. That would have been so epic to hear over the radio. Hey, when you guys approach, make sure you lock your door. Oh my gosh, holy shit, what did we?
Speaker 2:that was uh, horrible.
Speaker 1:Tim the wordsmith said drawing and exhibiting weapon limits his options, crossfire issues yeah, yeah, he was calling it out too. Um, I think that ward pointed out that that that camera angle was wide and it looked like he was not even facing the bag.
Speaker 6:It did not look like he was pointing it at the suspect. He looked like he was pointing it off off angle yeah.
Speaker 1:But when it showed the, the body, yeah, the other dude, then you saw it looked normal.
Speaker 6:I was like it was weird, it was, it was aheye or something. Yeah, that was odd.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's exit out of this one. We've already watched the Arkansas guy. Okay, what I would like to show next is okay, did you guys? People may or may not have caught the video that I put out there of a I think it was Georgia and Florida college football game. There was a fight up in the stands now with the police and the guy sitting sitting in the stands. Um, so I took a risk and I was like I'm going to do a reaction video, cause it was sent to me and I'm going to just kind of call it how I see it. I didn't have all the information. I owned up to that right away. Like, this is what I've been told and I'll tell you what my reaction is based on what I see. I did see that video.
Speaker 1:I saw you own it too, yeah and um, it turned out and fucking nailed it, so I just want to throw it out there.
Speaker 6:Like the ball using the football football metaphor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, um, I want people to. We'll watch this video and you'll see where people got kind of hung up on it at the beginning, for those that care.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:LA.
Speaker 6:Kings 2, minnesota 1. Oh, I'm sorry, the other sports 205-17. Red Team 205,. Blue Team 117.
Speaker 1:We got such different numbers. I'm at 109, 198. Yeah, oh, 198. Yeah oh shit. Okay, let me load this guy up here.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm at 195, 91.
Speaker 1:Holy shit you must be on Florida News.
Speaker 5:You must be on CNN's channel.
Speaker 6:Yep, let me see here Police brutality. I mean, if you want to, okay, oh, yes, yes, this is the one. The green seats tell me the whole story. I remember seeing this in the green seats. It was good, so I'll keep my mouth shut if I can't let me go see.
Speaker 1:Nope, that doesn't look any better, does it? I guess we'll go back to this one, uh, and we will I think you can put all the viewers on the side. That's what I thought, but I can't. That's a shame. Oh, we put.
Speaker 2:Perfect timing.
Speaker 1:I was just trying to stack you the sign of a bitch. When I try to put you all on the side. That's what it does, so. I mean it is what it is.
Speaker 6:Fuck it. Yeah, we'll get you. You can't take a joke.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this is. We'll just go. This is off of. This is not body cam footage. This is somebody filming the police and we'll go from here.
Speaker 6:Okay, we got our taser out, yep.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go back, and this was the first video I seen on this, and so I'll tell you. What I pointed out initially is the officer approaches and he tries to grab this arm, and I'm guessing this was my assumption. Hey, dude, you're under arrest, stand up, we gotta go. That was my assumption on this, and I said I don't know what they're saying, can't hear it, and we don't have the body cam footage, so Let me go back. That was resisting, right there. Move, resist, yeah, faces him.
Speaker 1:Kind of locks him up. Partner comes up with cuffs in his hand. He's doing what he's supposed to do, while the guy's kind of locked up Right Gets cuffs on. So from here, now we got resisting again. Like you're being told you just got tased. Officer comes up, tries to put his hands on you and the taser it only goes for five seconds. For those that don't know, they only cycle for five seconds. So the five second was up. He couldn't get him in is that a new change?
Speaker 6:because ours would. It was a 15 second standard ride. Yeah, that's old school bro and I'm old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, five seconds has been the standard since like 2012, so so I know you can't quite hear it that well, but but he said get your gun out N-word. Get your gun out, n-word.
Speaker 6:Wait a minute. Wait a minute, hold on. I got a question for you guys, yo. So at what point did they decide not to? And is this a tactic that you young bucks teach where nobody's behind this dude, right?
Speaker 5:He's sitting there.
Speaker 1:Another officer. Yeah Well, I get it. That's how they're doing it.
Speaker 6:Where he's positioned.
Speaker 1:You can't get behind him.
Speaker 6:I mean, she can get behind him, I can get behind him. Oh, you mean up on the stands behind him.
Speaker 1:Not behind where he's standing currently.
Speaker 6:Yes, right, at some point and maybe they didn't have time, I didn't see the beginning, but I would immediately be like, if I'm the guy coming from the side, I want somebody to come up behind him. Yeah, you seem like that type of guy. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:I like getting chuck laughing.
Speaker 6:Chuck's like hell yeah it's only because he can't land these zingers normally, so the fact that you're able to do it is oh well it's a marine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what are you gonna do? I know the crayon's got some crayons you can have, man I'm just being respectful on someone else's podcast oh, that's what's up.
Speaker 1:As a guy who worked lots of football games, snatching someone's hips in the stand is always difficult, absolutely. Ward said. I've snatched people's hips all day and I fully intend for those that are watching and listening to this later on when we put it on the audio, kind of explaining what the press release said from the Sheriff's Department afterwards. But right now I just kind of want you to see what I saw when I first heard it.
Speaker 9:I'm not going to jail you, shut up.
Speaker 6:You heard that key phrase right there.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to jail Yep, he's breakdancing and if you see what he's doing, his breakdance. Is him trying to pull the probes? Yeah, again, resisting. This is all resisting. I've seen that dance on Fortnite, yeah. So my question to anybody watching, like, what is your next move? Do you think he should get beat with a baton, because that is an option? I would say no. Or do you shoot him with your gun? I would say no. The only thing you've got left is to go hands on you. Rat pack him yeah, you don't want to pepper spray him, because that's going to be a bad gift for everybody, including my family Pepper spray is for dogs, yeah, so I wouldn't use that here either.
Speaker 1:I this is where you got. As I said it in my video, you got to earn your paycheck on this one. You got to go hands-on.
Speaker 6:This is where it's easy to have a banning with you um, I would love for a banning with this one, because I I hated the taser in the sense that I saw too many officers when we got the tape, because I'm old enough to remember when we got the taser and I was the arrest and control instructor and I said you know what? You guys can't hand out taser applications like pes, right? Like you can't, you have to go hands-on, right? You can't just say I'm gonna go hands-on, oh, he's gonna resist pow tased, right? This guy needs to be rat-packed period yeah, and he's he's a big dude?
Speaker 1:he's not. He's he's he's thick. Yeah, he's not a small guy, so so, okay, here's part of the problem that you you have to slow it down. If you're not used to looking at police use of force for those that are outside of this world, yes, I want you to look at what's going on with this officer right now. He's being pulled off balance into our bad guy.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah. So I'm gonna back it up just a little bit. He has a hold of our. This is where he's reaching to grab our officer's outer carrier. Yes, he's got his arm right now.
Speaker 9:That's a suck.
Speaker 1:Now he's grabbing the officer. He's pulled him in as soon as the officer swings, he's off balance.
Speaker 6:He pulls him in Yep.
Speaker 1:Still pulling him, still pulling him, balance. He pulls him in, yep, still pulling, and he's trying to say I'm not fighting, I'm not fighting. This is where actions versus words are totally different things. This is why I like to watch use of force videos for the first time, muted and this is based out.
Speaker 6:Bad guy is literally based out pulled back like he has leverage yeah, he's got the leverage tactical advantage.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go to the comments real quick while we're paused. Tim the wordsmith said nowadays lots of folks are able to rip out taser wires because the 4th and 5th gen tasers are way underpowered compared to the 3rd gen tasers. Also, heavy, thick guys don't feel the shock as much. I think the fatter you are, the more water that's in your body. I thought it was more muscle.
Speaker 7:You feel it more.
Speaker 1:Well, because I think water or muscle requires water, right? I don't know, I'm not sure, fuck it, I'm not a pro.
Speaker 2:I can't remember what I was talking about. It is neuromuscular incapacitation.
Speaker 6:I think it's muscle, because? Because fat is not as fat floats.
Speaker 1:So maybe that's it. Yeah, so um. Greg said no spray, I don't care where it gets deployed, never fails, I'm going to get hit with it. Yeah, ocean girl said I love bambinos in springfield. I lived in Joplin in Lafayette. I don't know what that means. There must be something I missed, eric am.
Speaker 6:I wrong. You're a jujitsu guy. Yes, sir, banning is a monster. Yes, kenny, I don't know your background, but you've got tattoos. You look like a tough guy. You're Irish. Irish are known for fighting. Chuck likes Adani Brook as much as the next guy Fights like this. There is no world where I don't just bum, rush this shit, heel and completely crawl all over him and start to really just try to limit his appendage movement. Seats be damned. I've got the seats on one side, the seats on the other side. I can control his movement one way or the other based on the lower seats and the upper seats, so if I can get him to the ground in that narrow aisle, I don't understand what the second guy's doing.
Speaker 7:You can go high and low right there with that dude all day.
Speaker 1:I think his body cam footage he is trying to grab, but he doesn't get as engaged as I would have been.
Speaker 2:I'll say it Hold your hand right there Wire his handcuffs up.
Speaker 6:You guys are not even anywhere near close to handcuffing.
Speaker 1:Look where his hand is at right. Now it's on his gun. He's grabbing his weapon Anywhere near close to handcuffing. Look where his hand is at right now.
Speaker 7:Oh yeah, it's on his gun, he's grabbing his weapon and he's.
Speaker 1:Cops gun, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7:He's got the.
Speaker 1:That's his arm.
Speaker 5:I'll go back just a little bit, so you can see it again, you can't do that Now he's got it, yep you can't do that. You can't do that. Now he's got it.
Speaker 6:Yep, you can't do that we can't.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, so that is the end of that video. Wait, they called that brutality.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the generation is soft the big hang-up was when he starts throwing the punches with the cuffs in his hand. So my argument was that, yes, punching with cuffs in your hand is not something that's taught. It's pretty frowned upon these days especially, but everybody thought he was using them as a function of brass knuckles. That's not what he does. What he does is he loads the cuffs um, and I wish I had a pair with me to demonstrate. But there's a thing that we call loading the cuffs to prepare to cuff um. Do you got a set of cuffs with you? I do. Hell yeah, brother, did you take the fuzzy stuff are?
Speaker 8:they pink, yeah, I.
Speaker 6:I got the non-fuzzy cuffs. We're good.
Speaker 1:So Tom and Chuck are going to show exactly what we're talking about when we say we are loading the cuffs. Now we work at completely different agencies across the nation. So loading the cuffs in itself, right before we go to put them on, we get them in a certain position. So, tom, can you show and right, and so you should.
Speaker 6:You should honestly have your cuffs loaded right and you get it to the last ratchet. Right, you got. You get it to the very last ratchet. You're ready to to go, you got your hand on it, and all it takes is that last little click.
Speaker 1:Yep, and if you look at how Tom's knuckles were, they were exposed. The cuffs are actually in the hand Right, so they're not. If you go to throw a punch, yes, the sides of them may catch you, but they're not doing the brunt damage it's your knuckles right, it's not this right it's not right, it's not brass knuckles yeah, this is this.
Speaker 6:You take the cut, okay. So imagine open right, you close them out to just the last click, you get them ready to go, you pre-load right, and then when you cuff somebody, look it's magic beautiful.
Speaker 1:So that's loading the cuffs and that's what we're referring to. So, as he's throwing these overhand rights, his the handcuffs were already loaded. He was trying to get in there while he was being tased um, or just trying to get control of him and put the cuffs on now. This is where I do think the officer fucked up. Um, I don't ever grab my cuffs until they're in a final handcuff position, so that is and you see, every officer that is on this panel shaking their head Like this is a universal taught thing.
Speaker 6:However, I actually I have a. We keep going. I have a. I have a photo that explains why. So if you want me to share it with you, eric, I'll text it to you and then you can share it.
Speaker 1:I have a feeling that it's going to be highly inappropriate?
Speaker 6:No, no, you can share it. It's not. This is the legit like. This is why you don't have your cuffs in your hand. Is it the one through the hand?
Speaker 1:I think Yapper is from one of y'all's channels. They're saying hello, yapper24, hello, uh, yeah, for 24 thanks for joining. Appreciate you, um. And guys, if you are just tuning in or wondering what's going on, make sure you go to war stories official podcast. Make sure you go to instagram find red ninja. Um, I don't know your numbers, kenny, what is it red? One one eleven one eleven, red ninja one eleven. Find him there. Also find his podcast, which is beyond the barrel beyond the barrel.
Speaker 1:Okay, I, my brain's not, I can't remember all that I know tom's war stories because it's right in front of his name.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I put it on there deliberately yeah, I'm sending you this eric, this is uh. This is a why you do not uh preload, or you do not get your cuffs in your hands without being ready to cuff somebody. Yeah, because cuffs are a weapon. The, the ratchet is a weapon. It's sharp, it's it's, it's a hook, right right, yeah efficient so I just texted it to eric.
Speaker 6:I'm uh, I can email it to you if that helps, but, oh yeah, so, holy shit, this was shared with us on our podcast, uh, and we talked about cuffing. And we shared it because, ultimately, if you have your cuffs out and you're not ready to cuff somebody, this is what will happen to you, because the cuffs are, in and of themselves, a weapon, both offensive and defensive. Right, if the suspect gets your cuffs, if the suspect let's. Let's imagine a world where you get one cuff on and the suspect's other arm is free, or you lose control of the cuffed arm and that ratchet is free, and now he's swinging around an arm with a hook on the end of it. Right, this is, this is, these are all the reasons why, until the suspect is completely and 100% under control, you do not get your frigging cuffs out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my.
Speaker 5:God.
Speaker 6:Period End of story. Yeah, and that is 100% a cop's hand yeah.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, so that can happen. Back to the point of him loading those cuffs there. It was a bad time to do that. It should have kept them put away. It was a bad time to do that. It should have kept them put away. So I am going to now pull up the sheriff's presentation, if you will, and I think it's a really the way they articulate it and break it down. It may take a little time to get through, but it's worth it, because I'm just going to be repeating what they say, but I'd like you guys to hear it from somebody else as well.
Speaker 6:We already got through that part, so share by the way, one of our listeners, banning, says that you look like you kill two stones with one bird.
Speaker 1:I like it. All right, so this is from the sheriff's department.
Speaker 4:This is a press release, uh, that they do next is important and we're going to start by talking about how this whole incident began. So around 4 20 pm there was an employee with safe who was working her assigned section of the stadium. Uh, at that time she's making sure people that are coming have the appropriate tickets for where they're going. Some children approached her to go to the section they didn't have tickets for, so she asked them to go find their parents and to come back with a ticket. There was some discussion back and forth about getting this ticket when eventually, walter Brown arrived and pushed the safe worker out of the way, accused her of kidnapping his children and threatened to kill her and then grab one of his children and drug them along up the stadium stairs and told his other kids to follow him.
Speaker 1:So that is where the assault came in. Holy shit, I was told this off record and that's how I kind of put my video out, because I didn't have an official statement or anything like that. I was just told it was based off an assault. But I had other people chime in and they were like no, it's because he didn't have the right tickets. This is bullshit. And then other people said no, it's because he was using vulgar language. I'm like all right, well, I'll put all that out there.
Speaker 6:Nah, dude, that's not a vulgar language call.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll put all that out there. My argument would be regardless, it doesn't matter what the call was, if they had a lawful reason to be there and they tried to get him to leave and I assumed it was a criminal trespassing, because that was the how they were going to arrest him um, that, everything based on a lawful arrest.
Speaker 4:If you've got the elements there, everything that happened afterwards is justified, so right at this point in time, the stadium worker decided that she did not want to be the victim of a crime, of a battery, which did occur. However, she did want jso to respond and evict the uh, the attendee, from the stadium. So officers bowers and kelly responded and spoke to the safe employee. After getting information from her, they then proceeded to go up to the section. So the first video we're going to watch before we get to that.
Speaker 1:Somebody asked me, like they said that a stadium is a public place. So, kenny, in your experience, is a stadium a public place or is it a private place that allows the public to go in?
Speaker 7:I guess it depends, like I guess, if the city paid for it all, I guess it is a public place but you still have to have a reason to be there. It doesn't mean that everyone could just go hang out there because the city paid for it correct, usually a city.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess it just depends on where you're at.
Speaker 6:It's still owned by a private company, right, correct? So the city can come into a sweetheart, deal with the team and say we will finance the construction of the project. However, you owe us X amount of dollars plus interest, monthly or annually or whatever, and so while the city may, may fund it, it doesn't make it a city property, right, it's still a private property. But at the same time, a bar is private property and yet you can be arrested for drunk in public in a bar because, while it is private property, it is open to the public.
Speaker 7:I look at Soldier Field in Chicago. It's owned by the city of Chicago but they lease it out to have concerts. Yeah, so they lease it out. They even lease it out to the Chicago Bears. They have a lease agreement but they actually own the stadium itself but they lease it out. So if I take a lease on it, I say you can come in and you can't, and whoever gets, I guess.
Speaker 8:Yeah, just to add on that if you look at every big city and they have a zoo city owns a zoo. It is still a paid event for family to come in, but it is what it's open to the public. So that's the hiccup I get on these stadiums versus open city areas. It's the same thing. There You're not going to get in unless, obviously, you hop a fence, but you're paying as a patron to get into this place. So inside the zoo, same thing.
Speaker 6:I'll give you an adjacent example. Schools are publicly owned, right? They're a public entity, but they are not open to the public, right? Right? So you get into that. While this may be a public entity, it is only open to those people who have lawful business on the property. Yeah, so you're talking about soldier field, you're talking about the zoo. When you pay for a ticket, you have agreed to gain entry to that quote-unquote public property that is open to the public under certain conditions, and then, if you violate those conditions, you got to go yeah, and like ward saying you have to pay to get in, so it's private right.
Speaker 1:And I would further that with saying, like in kenny's case, where it's the chicago bears or whoever it is like, when they're leasing it and they are taking people in paying for tickets, they technically they're the leaseholder at the moment, so they have the right to say yay or nay. And because this staff person was saying this guy's got to go Well, that's the Lord of the lands, because the company and so they got to go and that is criminal trespass.
Speaker 1:So when you're told you have to leave, they have to. Well, at least in the state of texas we have to afford you the opportunity to leave. So her coming up and saying you gotta go. And then the police said you heard her, you gotta go. And this guy coming up and saying I ain't going, nowhere yes, you can get trespassed from a public park. You can. Yes, you can get trespassed from a where you get your mail.
Speaker 6:You can get trespassed from just about anything.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, and I've tried to explain this before that you know the public owns. You can't get trespassed, yeah you absolutely can. Are you dealing with sovereign citizens and First amendment auditors? Yes, yes, I tell them I'm like cops. Tried to avoid it because it is a freaking slippery slope, but uh, you can. You can get um trespassed from that.
Speaker 4:So let's keep going. Watch is going to be body worn camera footage that has been combined from bowers and kelly. Um, it's going to begin with them ascending the stairs to when they make the initial contact with Brown, and we just want to point out, for the sake of brevity, we have cut the footage from one officer to another, because Officer Kelly initially makes contact with Brown, then steps back and he's not close enough to capture the conversation between Officer Bowers and Brown, so we will switch to Officer Brown's body worn camera footage.
Speaker 4:Young to be a sheriff you, he can't, he's got to be the pio right, he's not reminded of the first 30 seconds of body worn camera footage is not recorded for audio, but is recorded for video you know they're both regretting having having worked a part-time at the stadium.
Speaker 1:Like damn it, all these steps. That's why I always worked bike patrol my car payment. That's why I always worked bike patrol.
Speaker 6:They look good in the short.
Speaker 1:Our guy's already recording, by the way.
Speaker 9:Right there, that is your warning. Our guy's already recording, by the way. Hey, sir, you've been ejected, so we ought to leave Right there.
Speaker 1:That is your warning You've been ejected, so you have to leave. If you refuse to leave now, you are subject to arrest, because you've been told to leave, uh-oh.
Speaker 9:No, I'm not this lady here, a soldier.
Speaker 2:I have it on camera.
Speaker 1:You would like to see it. My response would be sure, we'll see it outside the stadium, but you weren't concerned about it until we arrived, because you were there chilling.
Speaker 6:So at what point? And I'll I'll say for me I would not have spoken to him until I either had a position of tactical advantage or had called him to me right and granted, this guy will probably not get up and come talk to you in the aisle, but he might have we don't know because they didn't try.
Speaker 6:That would have been my first. Hey sir, can you come talk to me for a minute? I have a question for you. I have, fuck. You come talk to me, okay, fine, now, before you say why you're there and before you trespass him, and before you say he's kicked out, you gain that tactical position of advantage and then you tell him what's what? Yeah, but they gave up their, they gave up the plot when they were 10 feet away, 15 feet away.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I'm going to uh the comments. Tim the wordsmith said the key part is does your presence interfere with the peace of the event or pose a danger to public order? And obviously I would say his presence did. Well, his presence is asshole. Remember what I told you. I'm either going to kill a cop or not leave.
Speaker 7:What did he say?
Speaker 1:He said I'm either going to kill a cop or not leave. Wow, I'll go back.
Speaker 7:Yeah, because I missed that but it was like shoot.
Speaker 1:So they just said it's private property. You have to leave. He said it's her private property.
Speaker 6:Right.
Speaker 1:And this is the education to the public she's a representative of the property, that is every staff member there. So so wait a minute, that lady right there is a staff member. No, no, no, not this lady oh god, okay, aisle way now.
Speaker 6:She just went out, so that's him. I was like what the hell you don't have a staff member that close to the suspect. No, no, I think that's his wife.
Speaker 9:Thank god all right, remember I told you I'm either going to kill a cop or so we've got the captions up there right now.
Speaker 1:Says you remember? I told you I'm either going to kill a cop or not leave.
Speaker 6:So that takes it to a whole different level level.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely grabbing the gun now, no, like just yeah yeah and this guy, I would say wisely backed up, tried to create some distance and was like all right, get up, because I'm not touching this dude. He's just starting to kill me like that's, that's a different.
Speaker 6:That's a different level, see, and and I'm not a taser guy, so I would have immediately gone behind him and said, ma'am, get the fuck out of the way. And put myself in a position to put a neck restraint on him because he's sitting down fat, dumb and happy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can't do that anymore though. Can't do that anymore though, bro.
Speaker 6:You know, is it just me?
Speaker 1:or is Tom frozen? Yeah, it might be. Yeah, he is frozen. He is frozen. What the hell? I mean it's making the podcast better, but he's like he's stuck in a blank. It's like an icon. Now he's stuck in an avatar position, but if we can hear him, it actually works out just fine. All right, we're going to keep going here. Okay, so now he's got his back turned to us, which is bad and he's standing up.
Speaker 5:Boom, right there.
Speaker 1:He just pulls away again. So well, I shouldn't say again. I think that's the first time he pulls away he's been told you got to get out of here, and then tells him that he's going to kill him.
Speaker 9:Way again right there.
Speaker 1:So he's made it very clear that he's not leaving and you don't get that choice anymore. Old Tom's trying to get back in there he is. Hey, he's not frozen again.
Speaker 6:I apologize for ruining the show.
Speaker 1:Well, now that you came back. I'll go to jail. I don't give a fuck, because I'm going to fucking beat your ass. If I'm going back to jail, dj Bowers. He calls out the officer specifically.
Speaker 9:Pulls away from that officer.
Speaker 1:So that is, I believe, four times he has pulled away. So anybody saying that these officers jumped to, going straight to violence and flexing their power and authority no, that's not what happened. And this officer happens to be black and when he reached for him he said do not touch me. And then he dropped the N-word with a hard R. So that is frowned upon in society and I don't recommend you talk that way.
Speaker 6:You know, as a representative of administration.
Speaker 1:I just want to talk about the unprofessionalism of having a tattoo visible uh, I would be more concerned that he has a barbed wire tattoo uh around the room which I just have to be, his judgment in tattoos is poor. At least it was in the mid-90s.
Speaker 2:That's some Tiger King tattoo right there.
Speaker 1:Is that what that is?
Speaker 6:Yeah, I think it's a tribal. I think when he was 19, he saw the dust build on once twice.
Speaker 1:I'm never going to financially recover from this. No, I'm okay with that from here. Maybe not the way I personally would have done it, but it's an option. It is a viable option.
Speaker 6:The speed at which he tases him after the N-word is.
Speaker 1:Oh really, I mean it was timed. I'm okay with it banning. What are you saying right now, man?
Speaker 8:I would already be hands-on. That's just me, 21 years. Well, let's see 19 years carrying the taser. Uh, I've never tasered anybody. I've always. I've drive stunned one person, but that's when my legs were hanging out of the car and it was in reverse and a donut uh, and I used to drive stunned to get his freaking foot off like you're explaining this while your massive paws are up in your face.
Speaker 6:No, I am not massive when banning is my type of cop because it does not require size, it requires technique it does and and and and size does does help a little bit.
Speaker 8:Oh, I'm really not a violent person at all. You don't have to be at 6'5". I'm not 6'5". Eric is elaborating on that a little bit. I'm 6'1", about 315 pounds. But grabbing somebody and getting that little lock in there, getting them on the ground and getting them in cuffs I've had some people fight. I haven't really lost one while wearing the uniform little lock in there, get them on the ground and get them in cuffs. I've had some people fight. I've had not, I haven't really lost one while wearing the uniform. But just get them on the ground, be done with it, get them in cuffs and drag them out of there, I mean that's just how I operate, yeah.
Speaker 1:Taser failures Said. Great example for the kids. It's gotta be one of your guys. I haven't heard that name on here before yeah, so many taser failures.
Speaker 2:Um, for the I think that's what red ninja just said so many taser failures and going hands-on is is it's always a tried and true method, um, and there are times when the taser it's not that the nmi doesn't work, it's the taser is as bad, you know, and it won't work. It'll still go off, but it won't deliver the amount of of watts or volts or whatever necessary to cause that nmi. So going hands-on is always great and I think the more we get into 2024, 2025, less you're going to see that, and I think that just the people need to go back to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's also hard to get the spread that you need.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He did that way and you're only a few seats away and backing up and trying to keep, I mean, these people behind them is a problem, because they're all with him. So right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, you got to keep your eyes on that, which is it's kind of a.
Speaker 1:I would have liked to hear them say, like you guys need to get going something like that.
Speaker 6:Yes, I need you guys to step out into the aisle, yeah.
Speaker 8:My whole thing is I want to get him away from that rail. Yes, I don't know how far that goes.
Speaker 6:He's going to last over tea kettle.
Speaker 8:Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6:Just get him away from that freaking rail uh, dylan dorward sack, said this guy deserved so much worse so I'm gonna go back a little bit more see you look at the half-hearted attempts at the arm grab. This is where, if you're going to arm grab somebody, arm grab somebody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, force is force. It doesn't matter if you flick somebody or you punch them straight across the face, it's all telegraph, just arm grab, like get control of the arm Full.
Speaker 6:Send, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 9:I understand what you're doing I understand what you're doing yeah.
Speaker 1:Melt this hand for this technique. Now he's challenging the cop, you want some? And then he tells him and he's dropping the N-word again Pull the gun out. So the cop loads the cuffs and this is where you can see he doesn't have them loaded up like brass knuckles, they're loaded to handcuff like we were showing earlier.
Speaker 6:Yes and, as we discussed, not a good idea.
Speaker 1:And these guys. We didn't watch this part. They didn't know what I was talking about. I just said loading the cuffs and, as you saw, we are all trained the same way on how to load cuffs. So now we're trying. I think this officer's thinking this is just me spitballing here, but I'm betting his thinking was all right, he's distracted. Let me get a good taser shot while my partner has a hand and maybe we can get him pulled down to the ground right here. A little risky because he's right next to him, but I don't necessarily disagree with it. What happened there? Trying to knock him over. So this is where he starts going to town on some distraction strikes, as we like to call them, to try to get him down to the ground and affect the arrest.
Speaker 6:At what point do you grab that collar and step back as rapidly as you can pull him further and farther, and faster than he intended to go, get him down on his face right and faster than he intended to go get him down on his face right this tim? The wordsmith says it comes down training and experience, but it also comes down to your skill set. Right, you have to practice and I know I'm an arrest and control instructor like I get it. I come to it from the perspective of you train you, train, you, train you. You learn this stuff, you make it second nature. If you know this stuff, if you know to grab and step back, you know a kick and a half distance backward rapidly and get them on their face and then rat pack them on top. These are all techniques, these are all things that if you think about it, you practice it, you know it cold and you're not scared to do it.
Speaker 7:Yeah, they're highly effective. Yep, I don't think the two officers. When you just like one say high, one say low and just go for it, you have them outnumbered. They're making it a lot harder than it needed to be. I feel like.
Speaker 6:Because they're afraid to commit. Look at the terrain too, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it, it's fucking hard, yeah, but you could also go to the going hands-on, like I think he was fully intent to. He had to put his taser up. Um, you don't want that thing flopping around. He had just deployed his taser and now we got the cuffs in our hand again. This is we have two cops with it.
Speaker 6:Right, so the. So the taser cop, black cop has cuffs in his hand at one point and now white cop is cut. Who's the mugger? Yeah, who's the mugger? Yeah, so I'm. I'm seeing a training issue, and yes, that's.
Speaker 1:That's what I see'm seeing a training issue.
Speaker 6:Yes.
Speaker 1:That's what I see. Here is a training issue 100%. If one had their cuffs in their hand, okay it happens, they both immediately went to cuffs in the hand. 100%. I think that's what's going on. He's got a cuff on.
Speaker 9:Come on, don't fix it, don't fix it, don't fix it, don't fix it, don't. Come on Our guys, great, grab the gun. Come on, dude. You did it yourself.
Speaker 1:And this is where you really have to start distinguishing between what they say but what they're doing. He's saying I'm not fighting you, I'm going to get rich. Y'all are, you know whatever, but his actions are. He is fighting, he's, he's pulling, this is where he's pulling up. Yeah, that's active resistance yeah yeah it kind of froze up. I don't know if that's us or at go auto we know car insurance can be expensive, the good news is it doesn't have to be go.
Speaker 9:I'm trying to help you on this, but you're not helping yourself yeah.
Speaker 1:So this is part of one of the things I like to. I like to try to educate people about that. Don't see this stuff all the time is subjects, actions versus what they're saying. And this guy truly believes, because he didn't physically assault those cops. He didn't punch, he didn't throw an elbow, he didn't throw a head, but he didn't bite. He didn't do that. But what he did do was he grabbed a hold of an officer, he ripped the probes out, he pushed the officer's hand away. When he's trying to affect the rest four times, he said I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill a cop today. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill a cop today. I'm going to kill you, bowers, I'm not going to jail. He did all of these things. So you don't have to as a cop. We do not have to wait to be hit to hit them.
Speaker 2:No, just like we don't have to be shot at to shoot someone.
Speaker 1:Right. So anybody that's under the impression that I got to wait to be assaulted before I can assault back is out of your mind. That is not how we operate. I have hit people for clenching their jaw and their fist and taking a stance.
Speaker 2:It's a fighting stance, dude.
Speaker 1:I slapped the ever-living shit out of their face and watched them like they weren't ready for it. But based on their actions, they had a clenched fist. They had. I watched their. I could physically see him clenching his teeth because he stopped talking, and to me that was the end. I was like, oh shit, it's on, so I'm not gonna wait you bring up a good point.
Speaker 6:Eric is well and again, I'm old enough to remember writing reports before body camera footage. But you had to say you had to paint the picture. You had to say his jaw set, his teeth clenched, he assumed a fighting stance, he stopped communicating, his knuckles turned white, he balled his fists up, he cocked his shoulders back. You needed to paint the picture.
Speaker 1:Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 6:And when you said there was no way this guy wasn't going to fight, and so I did X, y and Z, you painted the picture that you knew this guy was in your training, based on my training and experience Absolutely, this guy was not going to come quietly and therefore I countered we had never come quietly. Right, they never, and and we don't. I mean, and there's so many times, where we're like, I really don't want you to you know when you arrest me yeah, um, oh yeah, oh, yeah me so hard, don't make it weird, bro, I'm just arresting you.
Speaker 2:You know that my biggest issue, that whole video and I know we're not supposed to monday morning quarterback, monday morning quarterback, but, um, my biggest thing is that video. You have his girlfriend or wife or whoever. Luckily the kids aren't there because he has five of them supposedly there. Um, but the other gentleman saying that there's three adults at no point should that partner officer be in front on the row below because he's out of the fight when it starts. He's out of the fight the whole time because all he can do is reach. But if you're above and you push those people out, you can reach down and you can grab him, you can jump on his back, you can throw him down onto the, onto the uh, the stadium seats, and guess what?
Speaker 1:it's a lot harder to fight when that shit's hitting your stomach yeah, I, you know in in thomas holbrook brings up a good point. He said our hair holds uh, frowned upon these days and the the answer is hell, no, like in. If I'm going hands-on and you got a big old beard, I'm going to use it to control your head.
Speaker 6:Um, yeah, so yeah, this is what I I tried to teach was there is a certain point at which the marquess of queensberry rules no longer apply. Right, there is no, there's no time limit, there is no rules about punches below the belt. If you were in a fight, I'm going to fish hook, I'm going to eye gouge, I'm a neck restraint and I know the neck restraint is frowned upon.
Speaker 1:Well, it just depends on the situation. It's not that you can't use them, it's just got to be in most in, I think. In any case, now, because of the supreme court, I think it has to be in a deadly force situation.
Speaker 7:He did kill the cop and then he did grab the guy's gun. I mean, at that point I think he threatened to kill me.
Speaker 6:He touched my gun, boom, you're in a deadly force situation. For for us in california for those of you who aren't in californ California has a section 243F4. 243f4 specifically defines serious bodily injury. It codifies it. And then deadly force says you need to be in fear of death or serious bodily injury. So what they're saying is you have to think that you are going to die or that you are going to suffer serious bodily injury. So what they're saying is you have to think that you are going to die or that you were going to suffer serious bodily injury, or somebody else is going to die or they're going to suffer serious bodily injury. And serious bodily injury includes loss of consciousness, a wound requiring extensive suturing, fractured bone, right it, it. It lines out the medical conditions. Well, if this guy's telling you he's going to do one of those things to you, then guess what? You are in danger of serious bodily injury yeah, absolutely threshold.
Speaker 1:yeah, um, I I think I think, uh, kansas city, missouri, is the only department that I know of, or that I remember that still is teaching lateral vascular neck restraints or whatever it is. But I think it's under the guise that we want you to know how to use this, so if you get in that situation, you know how to either defend it or use it in deadly force situation. I think everybody should be learning it, just so they know.
Speaker 6:Because your suspects are learning it from watching ultimate fighting and watching MMA and watching TV. They're learning the same moves that you're not allowed to use by watching UFC. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this right now my agency said absolutely no neck restraints, no C clamps, none of that. Right after Floyd, the Floyd, george Floyd case came out, or the incident came out 100%. None of that. It was a strict memorandum Don't do it. If you do it, you're going to get fired. And I brought up the whole point. Well, what happens if you're in a, in a fight with your partner and the suspect, and the suspect is going for your partner's gun and they're so tangled up that you can't, you can't get a clear shot off. The only thing you can do to safe that's safe for everyone is put them in a rear naked, choke and choke them out. And they're like absolutely not, you'll get fired. And I said, even in that deadly force situation, they're like yep, my partner's life's on like yep. I said so what do you want me to do? Beat him in the head with my uh, my radio, or do you want me to stab him? And they said do what you got to do, but you just can't choke.
Speaker 6:Yeah, but you work for one of the most political agencies in the fucking world. You, if you can choke him, you can smoke him right like is it mostly the broader restraint? Is it deadly force?
Speaker 8:it is.
Speaker 6:It's considered deadly force here, right now and I get it right, like even we talked about daryl gates's book chief on a podcast we just recorded today and daryl gates admitted that he screwed up when he spoke to the city council and he said there was medical research and the medical research suggested that certain races of people, when subjected to the carotid restraint, did not have the same reactions as other races. But unfortunately, yes, there's there. This is a whole medical study back in the day. Right, I've choked out a lot of people.
Speaker 6:They also they all go out what he was saying, because what happened was black people were dying in custody after the carotid restraint was applied and white people were not, and so what they were saying was is that black people were being choked to death. The lapd conducted an extensive study and, unfortunately, daryl gates was an old school cop who went in front of the city council and said black people don't react to the carotid restraint like normal people.
Speaker 6:Really he said that he'd said it in a city council meeting, and this was the late eighties, early nineties, and you can't I mean you can't use that kind of verbiage and not expect people to freak out and go. You're racist, right? Yeah, I think 100%. But the bottom line is, is we see the carotid restraint applied multiple times a night on the UFC, or attempted to be applied, applied Like anybody who goes to a jujitsu Eric, go they, they teach you and you. You are forced to undergo this thing multiple times yeah it is a completely safe technique they're.
Speaker 1:They're willing to take that risk as a small business, like thousands of gyms across the nation. They're willing to take that liability where it's happening every day, multiple times a day, versus the department where it rarely happens. You know, just depends on where you're at. So, um, but that is all the videos that we have for tonight. Um, I always like to sit here and bullshit with the audience while they're, uh, still on and about. We still got a lot of people on here, so I appreciate everybody sticking with us. We're right at that two hour mark. We usually like to hit before we do anything. Kenny, you got anything you want to get out there, man.
Speaker 7:Nah, man, I'm good. I appreciate you having me on, though it was cool. I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 8:Appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 7:No, no, thank you guys yeah, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1:We'll have you on, uh, now that you've done it and um, you're not, uh, you're not the only ginger now so banning and you can feel comfortable, can? Uh, yeah, talk to each other and all ginger things and talked about how you guys don't have souls and you know, just do that uh, which is crazy because I have a ginger of my own. She's in the house, probably on facetime with her friends, but she's, she's my little ginger and uh, people laugh because I literally call her ginger, like that's her nickname for dad. So she's greatness. But, uh, appreciate you being on kenny um for the first time, and then chuck and tom I don't tom going p yeah, he's right there, there he is thomas to me, tommy boy.
Speaker 1:yes, sir, I was just uh explaining how I appreciate you guys being on and it was, you know, being the first live you guys have done with us.
Speaker 8:I think Tom and Chuck said that they were doing a live after this. What is just to get it out there to get more people to watch it.
Speaker 6:So yeah, okay, go ahead, chuck. Okay it's.
Speaker 1:Locker Room.
Speaker 2:Live. We go on. It's generally every Wednesdays at 8.30 pm Pacific Standard Time. You can catch us on our YouTube at War Stories, podcast 7403. You can also go to Instagram at war underscore stories underscore official. Click the link in our bio, pops it down and you can click everything. You can get to the Instagram. You can get to the Facebook, where we will have the live. You can get to the facebook, uh, where we will have the live. You can get to the youtube, which the live will be on uninterrupted the whole time, in case we go over the hour mark. So I would suggest hitting the live there.
Speaker 6:Instagram sucks uh, right after, hopefully, eric and bam you're, you're, you guys are all welcome, you guys can all join us tonight. Uh, essentially what we did was, uh, we were doing our interview shows where we where we collected law enforcement stories and we did the interviews about. You know what was going on and the work experiences. But to Kenny's point. Kenny, I love what you're doing, which is we bring cops on, we bring people in and we talk about anything but Right. And so, as our show progressed, we had our listeners messaging saying we want more content and booking interviews with people willing to bear their careers for an hour it's not easy Four times a month and oh, look at that 214 to 179.
Speaker 1:California just checked in, so yeah, I might win some money tonight I bet on this.
Speaker 6:My score says 216 to 193. So that's interesting. That's what I have too.
Speaker 6:Anyway so what we decided to do was we asked our listeners what do you want us to do? If we're not going to do interviews with cops and firefighters and veterans? What do you want us to do? If we're not going to do interviews with cops and firefighters and veterans, what do you want us to do for the second episode? And they said we want you to talk about current events from the perspective of people who are in the law enforcement veteran firefighter community. So we reached out.
Speaker 6:One of our closest friends has been on the show. He's a Navy veteran who went to prison after he got out of the Navy. And then there's myself, who's you know, law enforcement retired, and Chuck, who's veteran and law enforcement. And then we also have a close friend who grew up with us oh God, that's our terrible website. Uh, he is not a cop, he's not a firefighter, he's not a veteran. He is not a cop, he's not a firefighter, he's not a veteran. He is our friend, who we grew up with, who kept us honest, and he is there to kind of give the every man's perspective of wait a minute, time it.
Speaker 6:So tonight we decided that tonight was the big news story. It's the big election night. So we're going to go live tonight instead of on a Wednesday night, and we're hoping to have Eric join us, if he's not too in his cups. And Fannie and Kenny, you guys are welcome as well. Just send us an email. We'll just have a big party tonight and we'll keep the keep the party going over on our channel once we go offline, just uh, just shoot me the link and, yeah, absolutely will.
Speaker 6:Uh, eric, if you can send us bannings, either uh email or whatever yeah, it's a link join us. We are going to talk about uh, the, the big game tonight, which is currently red team 216, blue team 193. We're going to talk about 93. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about some previous topics. We're going to talk about some of the other crazy shit that's going on in the world today, and that's kind of what we do is we want to spend one day talking about law enforcement, military, veteran, firefighter issues and then one day talking about the rest of the world. So we do that. Live Cool.
Speaker 7:I'm going to have to take a rain check because it's 10 o'clock.
Speaker 5:Is he on the same time?
Speaker 1:You're on the same time as I am Our tattoo artist, our civilian.
Speaker 6:Just for the record, if you all need some good work, our civilian that is our closest friend. I've been friends with this guy since I'm 14 years old. He's actually a tattoo artist in Austin Texas. Oh nice, he does all my work. If you need work done, take the trip.
Speaker 1:Is he good at?
Speaker 6:realistic. I'll send you his. He's good at everything.
Speaker 2:He's very good. He does a lot of fine line stuff.
Speaker 1:Kenny, I want to show your podcast. What's a link I could go to?
Speaker 7:Beyond the Barrel podcast on Spotify, on YouTube, on Apple. It's all there.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm pulling up Beyond the Barrel right now. Not Beyond the Barrel bourbon, though. Nope. Give me one second, guys. I just want everybody that's listening to be able to see exactly what we're talking, to be on the barrel podcast. There it is, go to the page. Okay, I got the page popped up. I am going to share. Boom, there we go. So now, if you guys are looking for beyond the barrel podcast, you know what you're looking for. I'm gonna hit that subscribe button right now. Look at that, buddy, appreciate it.
Speaker 6:Nice, anytime bud badass logo.
Speaker 1:I should probably share the actual link to our show instead of the link to our private stream, which no worries well, now that everybody knows we've seen both and everybody in the crowd there I am looking to see if anybody had any comments or questions or anything. If anybody's got questions, say them now or forever. Hold your peace until the next live. We are kind of shifting gears. We're going to try to start doing the lives on a Monday night around this same time. We tried to do that last night. It did not work out. Sorry, I'm reading, it didn't work out. Last night I had a power outage, so I apologize. Shit happens. Power didn't come back on until like 2.30 in the morning, so it is what it is. But we decided to power on and do it here today and it turned out it was just going to be Kenny and then we ended up having the war stories guys jump on and it's just how we roll. We try to be relaxed.
Speaker 6:Improvise, adapt and overcome.
Speaker 1:We get to the videos when we can, but the fun part is just bullshit and back and forth with each other and trying to educate people the best we can, answer some questions, do what we do and, uh, have fun overall. Have fun, this is fun. I had a good time with you guys, so it was appreciate it, thank you.
Speaker 6:Thank you for the invite, banning and eric and kenny, nice to meet you. Yeah, my pleasure anytime all right man, tell your story. We'd love to have you.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah for sure, all right guys, everybody in the audience, we appreciate you, thank you. Please go to everybody's stuff, including mine, if you're not already. Yeah, do it yourself, dude, come on, love it, love it. So all right, guys, take it easy.
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