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2 Cops 1 Donut
LIVE BODY CAM REVIEW! Special Guest Friday's with Frank Dep. Frank Sloup
Join me, Erik Lavigne and co-host Banning Sweatland as we talk shop for policing and review body camera footage over some drinks. Now, Full disclosure, this was streamed live on our YouTube channel, So it may not follow along as well listening. We were joined by special guest, Frank Slope, the charismatic Arizona deputy behind the social media sensation "Fridays with Frank," joins us to share his remarkable journey from patrolling the streets to navigating the digital world. Discover how Frank tackles the challenges of dealing with impersonators on platforms like Instagram and TikTok, and hear about the viral traffic stop video that captured the internet's attention. With his firsthand law enforcement insights, Frank unravels the complexities of driver's license ID requirements in states like Texas and Arizona, offering a fresh perspective on the protocols that guide his profession.
This episode doesn't shy away from the realities of maintaining professionalism during confrontational traffic stops, where the stakes of human error are high. Explore a real-life speeding violation scenario that was recorded and shared online, highlighting the delicate balance officers must maintain. Plus, get practical tips on keeping your vehicle documents up to date and learn about technological tools like Texas Sure that aid law enforcement in verifying insurance status. We also venture into the vibrant world of Twitch and video game culture, examining the allure of watching others play and the struggles of creating content within platform guidelines. Join us for an episode that blends law enforcement realities with the dynamic challenges of social media and content creation.
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Welcome to Two Cops One Donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guest's opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language Viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by. All right, welcome back, cops One Donut. I'm your host. Eric Levine Got with me, as always. Banning Sweatland how you doing Banning? Doing good brother, how are you doing? Man? I'm living the dream and surprise guest guys. I didn't put it on the announcement because I didn't know until today. Frank, from Fridays with Frank Frank Slope, deputy Slope, how are you, brother?
Speaker 4:What's going on? Man Hanging out tonight.
Speaker 1:I know. Let everybody know, frank, who you are, where you're from and how they can find you.
Speaker 4:No, well, I'm Frank Slope. I'm from New York, if you're curious, currently a deputy in Arizona, and online Instagram I am frankslopeofficial. Same thing on TikTok, if you're a TikToker. And then I'm Frank Slope on Facebook and Frank Slope on YouTube, where you can find this stuff and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 1:Excellent, I'm going to actually pull up while we're sitting here bullshitting. We don't have Alan tonight running things behind the scenes, so I am going to be doing the old school way running stuff while we sit here and chit chat. We've got plenty of live videos of stuff to to look at and discuss for body cam footage, so I've got all that pulled up. Uh, we'll be good to go on that, but right now I kind of want to give you guys if you don't know who friday's with frank is, um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna show you some highlights. So that is. That is not frank slope.
Speaker 4:There is a guy impersonating you, sir I started when I started tiktok because I I didn't do tiktok before until I had a platform um, when I tried to just be like, oh yeah, I'm just gonna be frank slope on tiktok, that was taken. It was like frank dot slope and it was like the frankslope and like the original frankslope and like deputy frank. So all of those were taken. There were a ton of of fake accounts. So my first video that I ever put up on tiktok was just a whole screen of all the fake tiktok accounts. So frankslopeofficial ended up being what I could get, because all the other ones were taken.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what we're going to do is I'm going to play Frank's most popular video on YouTube, according to YouTube's stats here, so let me share this screen. I want you guys to know just exactly why I fell in love with this guy. Oh yeah, so we can have the same. And I'm going to play the whole thing because he's that it's long.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, so we can have the same and I'm going to play the whole thing because he's that tall, it's long, it's long. You don't want to play the whole thing. Eight minutes 71. Passing all these cars Get a good look, that guy right there. See your driver's license, please.
Speaker 6:Yes, sir, can I ask what you're below for?
Speaker 4:Absolutely See your driver's license please. Yes, sir, can I ask what you're below for? Absolutely as soon as you see your driver's license, I will be very happy to tell you. That's not how it works. First of all, what's your name and your badge number? I'm sorry, I do this for a living. You don't I tell you how this works. Let me see your driver's license, or I'm going to pull you out of your car and arrest you for failing to provide ID. This is a legal request. I don't want to hear any other words out of your mouth except here's my driver's license, please. The music. And he's like this. Can you say that again? Absolutely, I need your driver's license so I know who you are. I am not asking you, I am telling you Give me your driver's license. My name is. I don't want your name. I want a physical ID as required by Arizona law.
Speaker 1:And I will go on. Let's run this like body cam review live. I mean, let's just do it. I want to support the statements here by Fridays with Frank in saying that part of your ID at least for the state of Texas and Arizona, I believe, at least for the state of Texas and Arizona, I believe the ID needs to be both visually and physically inspected. That is kind of how the verbiage goes. Now I am speaking out of my ass for Arizona, but I think that is probably along the same lines for everywhere else. There is a visual and physical inspection of the ID on a traffic stop.
Speaker 4:Frank, you're the expert, you know what. I'm looking it up right now.
Speaker 1:I don't know exactly what that is he's like. I don't want to talk out my ass.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm like I don't want to talk.
Speaker 7:I don't think that when he's out of uniform he's unplugged just like the rest of us Right, yeah, like the rest of us.
Speaker 4:Fuck, I don't know. Yeah, exactly, yeah, it's so. Uh, evidence of identity that is presented shall contain all the following information driver's name, date of birth, driver's residence.
Speaker 1:So it needs, you need to have something that has all that on there okay physical address so what we will get sometimes with, uh, stubborn people is they'll just stick the id on the window and like there you go, there's all the information. I'm not a traffic guy, so for me if I pulled you over like I'm looking to get out of that quick, so I'm like, all right, good enough, I'm not giving you the satisfaction of letting that bother me, so if I can get your info off it, I'll do that.
Speaker 4:And you know what, I'm even okay with that, like if someone wants to play that game and they take their driver's license and put it up against their window and I can read it like I'm, I'm good with that. Yeah, I would, I would, totally, I would accept that I wouldn't go down the road of, oh, I have to touch it, like I don't care, man, just give it to me, show it to me, let me get your driver's license number. I'll go go and read it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like totally fine, not a big deal. And for other cops out there listening, here's something to consider. Now, at least I know I've got one hand occupied. It's just the only thing that can kill us is hands. So if I've got a hand occupied by sits stuck up against the window or maybe both hands, like hey get the info, cause you, hey, get the info because you got what you need and move on Like just don't let your ego get in the way because he's not doing it the exact way you want him to do it.
Speaker 4:I'm totally, I'm pliable, like that driver's license in the licensee's immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle and on demand of a justice of the peace, a police officer or a field deputy or inspector of the department, a licensee shall display the license. So if you show it to me through a window that's displaying it, that's displayed. Yeah, I'm totally good with it. Not, hey, my name's George. That doesn't work, right, sorry, sorry. Hey, my name's George. That doesn't work, right, sorry, george, you got to give me some sort of license.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, tim E on YouTube said the only place that requires a reason set up front is California, I do believe. Other than that, provide that id when requested and what tim is saying is that in california the officer is required to say up front hi, you know, go through their seven step violator thing, but they have to tell you why they pulled you over arizona is not one of those states yeah, not one of those.
Speaker 1:I will tell you this. I I've always included that. My whole process thought process for telling you is I'm trying to eliminate any arguments or any defense that you may. You're building up, so I'm going to be like hey, I'm Officer Levine, I work with such and such. The reason I pulled you over is this is there any reason you were doing this, or is there?
Speaker 1:any reason this and then now you've got a reason, I'm giving you an out, I'm letting you. Maybe you have a viable reason. You know, I I was speeding through a school zone because I had a butcher knife hanging out of my back, because my wife.
Speaker 1:That's a good reason that that was a call I had. That legitimate guy is doing 72 through a school zone, pulled him over. He was pretty close to the hospital but I went up to motherfucking him in the window like what the fuck are you doing, you know? And I get there.
Speaker 4:I'm like see just a handle hanging out of his back like oh, holy shit, yeah now I see why you were speeding so uh, and the majority of the time, like, if you watch a whole bunch and this just happened to be that I just happened to read the driver, um, but the majority of my other stops, you know, if someone's like looking for their license or they're making some attempt, like I, I tell them it's not a secret, like it's eventually they're gonna, they're gonna know, right, it just ended up being with this driver, just the way that he like I guess it was just my read of him, um, he just he wanted to argue and you know, sometimes you're just in the mood to argue and arizona law and pennell county sheriff's office policy allows me to do that. So, yeah, I don't have to tell you and I typically do as a common courtesy, but just with this specific driver, it just I didn't and there's not a reason. But it's not against any policy or procedure. And obviously what people don't understand is these videos are made by the sheriff's office, right, I did something that violated law or policy or did something that was improper in any way.
Speaker 4:We wouldn't put it out on the Internet because we own all of this. The cameraman works for the sheriff's office, right? So it's not like it's this like viral video that someone caught me doing something wrong and they're like I got you, I got, look at what I did, look at what I found. Like, yeah, we put this out there because this guy was a jerk. Um, I was within the boundaries of law and policy and sometimes jerks just need to be put in their place so that they stop being jerks, and that needed to happen in this particular situation. But the overwhelming majority of the time, I tell someone because it's not a big deal and it's not a secret and in all probability, I'm going to write it down on a piece of paper for you anyway.
Speaker 1:That's the difference between traffic cops and real cops.
Speaker 4:So you guys know what I'm saying. I see what you did there.
Speaker 1:I slipped that in there, right? Let's keep going with this, because I love it.
Speaker 4:I am asking you when I'm getting pulled over. I will tell you as soon as I see your driver's license. I will gladly give you my license. I like Deputy.
Speaker 1:Regan 10-1-24. I like you, deputy Slope, I get some identification of the reason why I'm getting pulled over. Let's use it.
Speaker 4:All right. Well, I'm Deputy Slope. I work for the Pinal County Sheriff's Office Traffic Unit. The reason I stopped you is you're traveling 71 miles an hour in a posted 45-mile-per-hour zone. We also see registration and current proof insurance hour in a posted 45 mile per hour zone. We also see registration, current proof insurance. Unless it's going to magically appear in your hands, you would have to right, oh that was not necessary.
Speaker 4:Frank nope, no, it was just I was. I was just aggravated. Yeah, and it's so funny because, like you would think, even q even yeah, yeah, so it's. However, if a police officer asks you for something, you would imagine that, upon the the that request being made, it would be acquiesced by a motion towards the glove box, where the registration and insurance are typically kept. So I felt like it was a fairly logic-based, linear answer to a linear question. So it's, I mean it was yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was yeah, it might have been a little snarky.
Speaker 1:Fair. Okay For me if I'm going to critique, because I try to be fair and objective across the board. I agree. You are a public servant, sir, and the comment unprofessional. I'll give you that Unprofessional.
Speaker 4:I'll give you that.
Speaker 1:Unprofessional. I'll give you that. However, another thing that I like to say is we're human. There's a difference between honest mistakes and then somebody being intentionally difficult, intentionally being a pain in the ass, and all that. I do think that this person, they needed some level of control because you just caught them and this was a flex of control. So there goes that age-old debate Like where do you stop letting people be bullies as much under the law as you can? You were arguing the law and you were giving it back as much as you were getting it. Yes, so I'm okay with that, because at the end of the day, you were going to write the ticket, no matter what.
Speaker 4:Oh, I was going to write the ticket as soon as the number popped up on my LIDAR Right.
Speaker 1:It didn't matter who you talked to, who it was, he did 20 plus, unless he had a butcher knife sticking out of his back yeah, or, as you like to say, a criminal amount of speed. Criminal amount of speed, I love it.
Speaker 6:Let's keep going the music is awesome all of your information still current, still living on Mesa. I don't answer any questions, okay. I had to get on my phone.
Speaker 4:You're the one who decided it needed to be recording so you could also use it to provide current proof insurance.
Speaker 1:Not giving him any ammo. I love it. Got him. Constitutional Country. Girl News that I match energy in all encounters.
Speaker 4:You're required to provide it in a amount of time that would be. Right, it's coming up right now. Okay. It's giving me 15 seconds.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, you're a patient. Man, I love it.
Speaker 4:Come on, get your boat, get away from me.
Speaker 7:So while I'm sitting here and I am a public servant. Is there any other?
Speaker 6:questions I can answer for you, reference or contact. Okay, Just wanted to make sure the public's good. I like it.
Speaker 1:Oh man, we're late this whole time. Is he trying to pull it up on a two-wheel? Yeah?
Speaker 4:Yeah, all right, will you keep working on that? There's no reason to be confrontational like that. There was no. Part of my contact with him was confrontational, super simple and cordial, and he just, for some reason, just can't seem to understand that there's a sequence of events that transpires here in Pinal County and if he doesn't like that, maybe he needs to move back to Mesa. As soon as he recorded me and I asked him hey, I need your driver's license, he's like I'd be happy to give it to you, but before that, when he wasn't recording me, he absolutely wouldn't. So that's why you can't believe everything that you see online is because there was that whole entire contact that happened. Then he starts to record and all of a sudden he's just the nicest guy and I'm this big mean guy. That's just demanding stuff.
Speaker 1:I like it All. Right. You guys have seen a little bit of Fridays with Frank. Now you know exactly who we're talking about and what we're dealing with. Cree G, Cry G Is this live?
Speaker 4:Yes, this is live. We're live right now.
Speaker 1:We're live right now and you are a part of it. I remember Ristow said isn't 26 miles per hour over reckless driving? Why wasn't this car towed?
Speaker 4:Frank, the answer is in and of itself speed only is a violation in the state of Arizona isn't considered reckless, At least not 26 over. I mean, if he was doing 100 in a 45, maybe that would show a blatant disregard for the safety of others, but simply speed on a two-lane road like that wouldn't be considered reckless. He wasn't cited for reckless, so yeah, that's why I wasn't towed.
Speaker 1:Okay, Tim said I always keep paper insurance card on me because I never know when my phone is going to decide to be a douche.
Speaker 4:Tim, I do the same thing. I think it's something that old men do. I print out Right now, this very minute minute. I have a paper insurance card in my truck. Um, I get it off, I get it offline and I do it there. So I like it, I do it both yeah yeah for me.
Speaker 1:Um, I have my insurance and all that saved as a under photos as a favorite, but I also have my paper one in the vehicle just in case. But it gets sent in the mail to me, so why not have it?
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're so technologically advanced. Yeah, I try to be. I want to cover all avenues. That's what I do.
Speaker 7:What about you Banning that's the same thing. I mean, we've got probably a couple copies in each vehicle and when we're cleaning our vehicles we're making sure we're throwing out those old copies. Nothing used to perturb me more when somebody handed me an insurance card. I'm like this expired four years ago. Can we maybe come up with one that's within the last 90 days.
Speaker 4:That'd be great. Same thing with registration Like this one's from 2015. This one's from 2017. This one's from 2017. You were registered a decade ago.
Speaker 7:Congratulations, frank. I don't know if you have what we have here in Texas and a lot of cops don't know the name of it, but it's called Texas Sure. When you run that 28er license plate in our T-lets it comes back with an additional screen which is Texas Sure. That's actually paid for by the insurance conglomerates and it shows us it recycles every 24 hours. If their insurance is truly good, it'll tell you more than 45 days expired, unless the wording's changed. I've been out for a few months, but it gives you all that information. That's great for hit and runs because it's going to give you policy number and everything. If they were able to get that license plate.
Speaker 4:Holy cow, we don't have that, but that's fantastic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really nice um, we got keith the arson guy's evening he's. He's our one twitch follower. We're always on the verge of getting kicked off twitch.
Speaker 4:That's part of the problem why I know nothing about twitch, except that twitch does not like the fact that we show anything that involves violence.
Speaker 1:So because we, you know, we don't watch these videos, guys, we don't know what they're going to be. Sometimes they're shooting, sometimes it's, you know, a cop giving a homeless guy a blanket, it just depends, um. But we're going to discuss those videos as they. They happen. Well, twitch hates that and twitch is constantly trying to ban me, so I'm just going to keep showing on there until they do. I don't really, like I said, I got one or two followers on there.
Speaker 4:Constitutional country girl news.
Speaker 1:What'd she say now?
Speaker 4:In New York, we're required to show our ass.
Speaker 1:Marine.
Speaker 4:Bloods in the house, I get it, marine marine bloods.
Speaker 1:What's up, buddy? So let's see. He said if you don't like it, don't watch. I know right in it. I think it only happens when somebody reports me because I have continuously showed on twitch, but we only get in trouble every so often and I think every episode we watch on YouTube.
Speaker 4:Games video games day and night, so you watch other people play video games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's what Twitch started out as.
Speaker 4:Why don't you just play video games? I do. I'm not a video game guy. I don't own a console.
Speaker 7:Let me give you a quick, quick story. Frank, my daughter, I walked in telling her we're going to go eat and she had YouTube the kids YouTube pulled up and she was watching another little girl play some sort of building a castle game and I said how is it that that is entertaining to you? As your dad, I'm trying to understand this. She goes. Well, dad, it's kind of like on Fridaysidays, when you watch fridays with frank, it's somebody else doing their job and I'm like damn dialed in for that.
Speaker 1:oh guys, I gotta pat myself on the back on this one and I even I even shared it as a story because it just hit me came to me somebody this happens all the time. Somebody's like well, why don't you show the rest of the video, why are you only showing that one part, right? So first off, the argument's going to be when I make a short or a reel, I've got a minute, 30, max, 90 seconds to make a point, and that's just the parameters of making a short. So I take the clip out that I'm looking for to make a point and, yes, I'm drinking original Coors, I got the smoke wagon right here, so that's next. But I make it a point to get what I need to get across in that 90 seconds.
Speaker 1:And it doesn't always show the whole picture, which isn't the point to show the whole picture. Well, somebody got on me. They're like why didn't you show the whole picture, which isn't the point to show the whole picture. Well, somebody got on me. They're like why didn't you show? You know, you only showed a part of the traffic stop, whatever it was. And I said listen, you don't watch SportsCenter top 10 plays and then go. Well, why didn't they show the whole game?
Speaker 1:Good point, good direct correlation, see I thought it was amazing, and the guy even admitted on the thing he goes. I'm not going to lie, that's a good one, you got me, that's a good one, he goes. I got nothing. I was like, yeah, so now I got an analogy for everything. When people get on me about only using part of the video, I'm going to use that until the fucking wheels fall off. So it is what it is. Um, I am having trouble finding your twitch to double your follower. It's two cops one. I don't even remember what it is, guys. Uh, to be honest, it's two cops one donut somehow. Um, I'm looking. Let me go to my twitch here. It is, oh my god, I don't even know how to look up my own name. It's two cops one donut with two t's at the end.
Speaker 4:All one big word so someone took two cops, one donut with one t yep sons of bitches.
Speaker 1:Damn right. Yeah, arson guy's helping me out. Hey, marine Blood's got the same mentality I have where it's just optimism, baby, it isn't. You know, I'll give you one more. It's we're going to double your count. It's the way to look at things. It's always looking at the positive side little glass half full.
Speaker 4:I like it yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Um, before we get going into our live of the body cam footage stuff, we usually like to sit and bullshit about a topic. Is there any hot topics in policing right now that you think to be a drone? That's?
Speaker 4:a good one Drones over the Northeast man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I'm going to give you my conspiracy theory, and this is based on me being a guy that protected nukes, um, for the military air force. Uh, I guarded the nukes out in the ICBMs in Montana and I've seen some shenanigans from the military. Okay, here's my theory and tell me if you share this.
Speaker 4:I think that those drones government funded, looking for dirty bombs and they've got some sort of capabilities to look for those dirty bombs that we don't know of. That's my theory. I've heard of this also that the full theory that I heard was that the government believes that a dirty bomb came into the port in New Jersey and that's why the drones initially started just in New Jersey and then they started going north and south north to New York and south down to Maryland.
Speaker 1:Well, joke's on them. New Jersey itself was the dirty bomb, and they're spreading, so that's, I'll put that that's where new york puts all of its trash.
Speaker 4:That's why the new jersey turnpike smells like that, and anyone that's been there knows. The northern part of new jersey on i-95 is a is a terrible wasteland of odor, um, but anyway, that's, that's what I heard.
Speaker 4:That's the uh, that is is again and I heard it, you know, on something online, nothing in any official channel, but um, that it was. It was something that they were looking for and that's why the government has been so quiet on it is because there are drones and they don't want to tell people that, um, and they were thinking that it was related to um New Year's Eve in New York or the inauguration.
Speaker 4:So, none of that is in any way manner, shape or form you know, official in any way. That was something I just watched on the Internet, so I think it might have been Abraham Lincoln who said that, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:It sounds right. Harrison Brock said as a software engineer, I can create an automated system that creates fake accounts and increases your followers. No thanks, I don't want one. I wouldn't want YouTube to pull us. With our limited following as it is, which I'm very proud, we're almost at 13,000, guys, we're not doing too bad on YouTube. It's growing every day. Frank, what's yours at? What do you have, frank?
Speaker 4:Right now, this very minute, I'm at 152,796. Son of a bitch.
Speaker 1:Son of a bitch Son of a bitch.
Speaker 4:That's right now.
Speaker 1:That's son of a bitch Ward said dirty bomb or one of our lost nukes. They are scanning houses with x-rays and they're looking for our AKs. I love it, but no, let's talk seriously for a short second on drones Now. As a person still on the street, I have been a part of drones, absolutely helping catch some of the worst of the worst.
Speaker 4:We use them on every single SWAT deployment, every deployment. Right now, we're using an exterior drone for our CP to keep an eye in overwatch and we're using interior drones to clear the house in front of our team.
Speaker 1:So we're using them every day yeah now where I'll get into my, where. I think my job is to keep us in check. I keep our own police in check is not allowing that drone usage to overextend its reach. Like I don't think you should just be able to frivolously throw drones up and just start looking at shit, looking into people. Like if you're going to go, try to look at somebody's backyard, whatever it is, it needs to either be an exigency or it needs to be a warrant of some sort, and I think having those policies in place is the way that you should have these drones. So if you're a department out there, you should not be throwing drones in the air until these policies are in place to keep you in check, because I am very constitutionally minded and I don't want to overstep.
Speaker 1:And again, I don't want to take a good tool away from cops because somebody abuses it. It's going to get abused, I guarantee it. Every good tool we have, some douchebag cop figures out a way to fuck it up for us. So that's, that's my two cents on the matter. Banning what do you got?
Speaker 7:Same thing. Banning what do you got? Same thing, obviously, drones came into effect when I was well into my career. We slowly got into it. At the mid-level agency I was at before I was leaving, I personally had a drone as the Part 107 requirement from the FAA was coming out. I used to use mine before that requirement came. Uh came and was only used in uh exigent circumstances. So it was. It was a very, very good tool. Um, even looking at different cars, it's amazing what the even the commercial drones that the public can buy, the how, how much you can zoom in and get that license plate for uh for criminal reasons and be able to run it in a safe area without anybody getting hurt. So I back the use of drones, just like what Eric said, as long as we're not violating anybody's rights, period. If you're in that public eye where anybody else can see, I don't have a problem with it. Anything else, make sure you get paper on it, get a warrant, go through the proper procedures period.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, no-transcript. Not, we're very same kind, of same as eric, very constitutionally minded, so we're not. We're not looking to trample on anyone's constitutional rights, especially as a constitutionally mandated agency like we are. We're pretty yeah, we're, we're pretty, pretty big on it but we have drones um that have flir, so we're looking for people at night and deserts, um at real bad crash scenes we're looking for I have boots with the desert.
Speaker 1:Uh, yes, with the flir no, no is that not the same song and I like it.
Speaker 7:I like it. Some people don't know what a flare is. It's forward-looking infrared and that's the type of cameras that can detect heat signatures out there. For those that don't know what that is, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:I didn't know what it stood for. I'm not going to lie. Really. No, I've got to fix a mistake real quick, just so we all know there it goes and it's fixed. So if guys don't know. Banning's forced new nickname is big red I.
Speaker 4:I think just Yukon Cornelius is another good one, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you guys do not know what Banning likes to play for, some people dress up as Santa, some people dress up as a snowman here we go. But Banning specifically likes to dress up like this guy here. So let's, this is. Banning guys? Oh, that's not it. Where is he at Right there. Look at that. That is banning right there Show this dad.
Speaker 7:I think Bobblehead looks better than that one.
Speaker 1:I love that he's carrying a six shooter. If I didn't know any better, I think Cornelius used to be a Navy SEAL. You look at his gear. I mean, I think he was an old frog man too funny. Funny, pardon me, excuse me. Excuse me, ozark moon's jumping in, um.
Speaker 1:But all right, guys, we're gonna get to the body cam stuff. So if you are not familiar with what we did, we've been going for about a half hour now, so, um, it's about that time. What we do is we watch body cam footage for the first time. We've never seen them and if one of us happen to have seen the video, we'll own up to it before we get into it. We're going to watch the video and we're going to frequently pause and act as though we are the officers in the video and talk about how we would handle the call. From what we see, we don't know any information about how we would handle the call. From what we see, we don't know any information about the call. We don't know what was called. In most of the time we don't know any of the details. We're just basically going off the top of the dome being thrown into a call. That's kind of the fun of it.
Speaker 4:Which is also how it happens in real life.
Speaker 1:Which is exactly how it happens in real life Exactly so we have no information prior to this. Now there'll be titles of the video. I personally try not to read them while we're watching the video. You do catch yourself reading them every so often. But that's what we're going to be doing, so we're going to watch these videos.
Speaker 1:The fun part is for you guys to interact, ask questions, give better tactics. If you think you got better tactic, well, they should have done this. Okay, well, the whole idea is one you and the audience kind of get a mindset of how police training goes and where we're, what we're actually thinking while a call is developing, versus whatever narrative the media wants to put out there. You guys are going to see as we go that we all kind of think similar because of our training, but we all have different ways of getting to a goal. We may all say the same exact thing Okay, I would have stood here, I would be doing this, I'd be doing that. Okay, well, our training's pretty similar there. But there may be a call where we're all like, well, no, I would have done this, I would have done a passenger side approach, because this is what I want to do. And then the next thing, you know, the officer switches over to a passenger side approach and we're like, oh shit, your mind was kind of in line with this cop, but the goal at the end is usually the same, so it's just fun.
Speaker 1:We stumbled upon this a few years ago and it's just grown in popularity. We've been having fun with it ever since. So if you are just pulling in, pull up an adult beverage with you. I'm going to finish this, coors, and I'm switching over to the smoke wagon and let's just have some fun. Let's get in the minds of some cops, maybe improve some police work because you guys figured out something that we hadn't considered and get that message out there and improve police training. Let's try to do that. So I'm going to share this screen. I encourage you all to definitely participate. And also, if you see trolls in the comments, guys, I don't filter people, I don't. I welcome anybody that's anti-cop or whatever Come speak your mind, let's talk it out. So I think that's where we differ a little bit. All right, let me know if you guys get sound and everything and we're gonna hit.
Speaker 7:We've already biggie size, so let's play all right, am I stepping out for me, because you can be wrong. Someone called yes, no, don't do that. Could you guys hear that something?
Speaker 1:your mom's the one who called okay, I'm gonna that. Could you guys hear that?
Speaker 4:Something your mom's, the one who called.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to go back, because you guys didn't answer me when I asked if you could hear it All right, let me go again.
Speaker 7:All right am.
Speaker 5:I stepping out for me, because your mom's the one who called no man, don't do that, keep going. Okay, did you guys catch that? Did you hear what he?
Speaker 1:said your mom's the one that called Don't do that. Okay, did you guys catch that? Did you hear what he said?
Speaker 7:Your mom is the one that called.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your mom's the one that called Do you mind stepping out for me? He asked him to step out. Did you hear that? Yeah, okay, so got some sort of traffic. Stop going on here. You could see evasion all over his face. He's not answering, so me. When I'm seeing this, I'm asking you questions. I'm going to go back. We made it to the nine-second mark. I want to play it one more time.
Speaker 7:All right, you want to step it up for me, because you could be wrong if someone had called.
Speaker 1:Called for what? The questions on questions. That's an indicator to me as a cop, most of you fine citizens out there. When I say, hey, will you step out for me, I'm like you're already in the act of doing what I've asked. You may question it. Well, what do you need me to step out for? And you're getting out of the car. But when people start asking questions on top of your questions the way that this guy's doing with the thousand yard stare, I mean, look at his eyes. He's trying to figure out what he's going to do to get out of this and for me, just like this officer did, I'm already going to be opening the door there. There's got to be a reason for it. I don't know what this reason is yet. So that's what we got to kind of figure out. So I'm going to just go under the assumption we have a legal justification for opening the door Banning. Do we have a legal reason to open your door on a regular traffic stop?
Speaker 7:We do. I usually request it first, but we can absolutely do that.
Speaker 4:Okay, and especially after you've asked it, which the Supreme Court has already said, if we want you out of the car, you have to get out. And if he's, obviously not only is he not doing it, but he's not doing it to ask a clarifying question, which I think Ben and I would probably both you know at least humor that and give him a little bit. But as he's also looking like he wants to drive away, I'm absolutely opening that door and being pretty aggressive with that dude immediately.
Speaker 1:Yep, the part that we kind of have we're we're in the in the dark about is we don't know what the context for yet, so we got to kind of figure that part out. Um, I'm going to the comments real quick. Uh, ryan holzner said uh, is it a traffic stop or a 911 call? It sounds like it was a 911 call.
Speaker 7:It doesn't seem like it's a traffic stop if you look at the camera positioning there, ryan it's. I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 4:I'm thinking he's there's no, there's no car behind him.
Speaker 7:Yeah there's. I'm thinking he's pulling up as this guy was leaving, which leads me to believe this is probably called the right time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's think of the same thing the dude is higher than those drones in new jersey. He said, uh. Ryan said he has rabbit in his blood. Yeah, you can see it like. If you start watching, even if you're not a cop, you can start to see the indicators that this person's wanting to flee. And Ryan is talking about the court case that allows us to get drivers out of the vehicle.
Speaker 1:This is Pennsylvania v Mims. Here's where I get into the debate with people in the comments. A lot they're like Penn v Mims is basically saying that you have to have a fear for your safety, an articulable reason for your safety, to pull them out of the car. That's what the Penn v Mims case was about. They pulled them out to do a pat-down, to frisk them because, excuse me, they believed that they had a weapon. Excuse me, they believed that they had a weapon.
Speaker 1:However, the court findings did not specify that cops could pull people out of the car only because they had a fear that they had some sort of weapon, and that you had to articulate that. They basically said that pulling somebody out of the car in a traffic stop for a short period of time is reasonable, it's not an unreasonable request and therefore you can't pull them out. It does not have to be an articulable reason, because you think they have a weapon or there's some sort of fear for safety. And I'm not a lawyer, but that is how it's been explained to me by prosecutors. Am I any different with anybody here on the panel tonight?
Speaker 4:No, that's my understanding with anybody here on the panel tonight. That's my understanding.
Speaker 1:Okay. So if anybody in the comments has a different way to explain it from what you understand, let us know, because right now that has been the best way that I have and it's held up in court. When I've done it, I've had people fight it and it's worked for us. I don't mean worked for me in a way like I got the system. That's how it was explained and it's been upheld, at least in Texas courts. Mr Belfold, sometimes it's just about power guys. I don't even think it's power as much as I think it's ego, I totally disagree.
Speaker 6:I don't even think it's power.
Speaker 4:I want this guy out. And I don't want this guy out because it's an office of safety issue. I want this guy out because he looks like he doesn't like it, looks like he wants to drive away and he looks like he's guilty. And I want him out so we can talk outside of his vehicle without him driving away.
Speaker 4:Right and it has nothing to do with power. It has to do with conducting a full and complete and thorough investigation, which is the reason that I'm called there. So it has nothing, not one ounce, to do with power or ego. It has to do with doing a job, and doing a job means that that guy needs to get out of that car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like what Constable Country Girl News said, penn V Mims is way too broad, and I will. I'll grant you that it is broad. However, us cops, we're always behind the curve when it comes to tools that we have available to do our job. And right now, that is a tool that we have and, just like anything in police work, we have it till we don't, and then, when they take it away, we use whatever else we have available, like it's just. That's just how it is, like, um, it's not that I disagree with you or that you're wrong or I'm right or whatever. These are the parameters that we have and just like you expect cops to follow their rules, if these are rules that we have available, you can't get mad at the cops for using what they have. Mr Belfort said Big Red, they have a medication for that. Banning His eyes are enough for Pen v men, not wrong in the comments.
Speaker 1:Our guys are fucking funny, man. Um, an officer always claims officer safety. Come on now it's about the control bros of um. I, I don't, I don't it. Here's the problem with what you're saying, mr Billfold, is it's not that that's not a case. Occasionally it is. I absolutely agree with you. That happens occasionally. But you can't, you can't just throw a blanket statement and say it covers everything, because I don't think that it does. You know rough stats 350 million calls for service every year. There's 750,000 cops. Approximate 0.006% of those lead to a use of force or a complaint. And that is from the UCR, the Uniform Code Report. Is that how it's called, ucr? Yeah, so the stats aren't backing that up. 90% of departments have body cams. Now again, like I said, nothing's mutually exclusive in police work. We can't be mutually exclusive when we say stuff like always and never. Officers always claim officer safety. If we're going to be fair on pen v memes, I don't need to do it for officer safety.
Speaker 1:Like but in this case, right now, there's an officer safety issue. You can read it all over his face. You can see it. It's about to happen. So it's like you guys haven't read the decision. I need more than that. I don't know. Did you say something else? I've absolutely read the decision, but I'm not Google. I can't just recite stuff because you brought the topic up. I'm a human being. I can't recite it off the top of my head, and if you expect that from cops, well, it's never going to happen.
Speaker 4:Unrealistic expectation.
Speaker 1:Not even judges and lawyers have that ability, and they deal with the law every single day when it comes to interpretation. Is it even worth trying to get him out of the car if you suspect he's going to drive away? That's a good question.
Speaker 4:um, it depends do you think you can get into an articulation?
Speaker 1:do you think you can get to him before he does try to drive away? So we don't. We don't know, um, and only that person on the scene at the time can really make that call. This officer is the only one that I can't make that call for. This officer is the only one that I can't make that call for him. Even though we're watching his body cam footage, I can't make that call for him. Let me see. Depends on how long that keep you out of the car. It depends on how long that keep you out of. I'm not sure what that means. The title says he's trying to steal the car. Okay, we didn't read the title. We tried to avoid reading. The title says he's trying to steal the car. Okay, we didn't read the title, we tried to avoid reading the title. He says jerk him out. Glad he said jerk him out. Yeah, could have been bad. Plus, you don't know the info the mom dispatched on her phone. His call is about true, sorry, I'm just going through the comments here. Guys, I'm trying to catch up. I want to get everybody's comments the best I can.
Speaker 1:Andy Fletcher said the word says that it's predicated on safety and the dissent is based on the high and fulfilled probability of abuse. Y'all abuse the shit out of it and use it to punish and assert false authority. It's a case-by-case basis. You cannot use a blanket statement on stuff like that. That's a lazy argument. It's vague and lazy. You have to take every single police call on a case-by-case basis just because one cop abuses it and I agree, stuff gets abused. It doesn't mean every single call call on a case-by-case basis just because one cop abuses it and I agree stuff gets abused. It doesn't mean every single call is abused. And just because you can pull up five examples of abuse doesn't mean there's not another hundred of not abuse that led to a 200 or 300 or 600 or a thousand or five thousand or ten thousand, like come on, that's, yeah, that's a gross generalization um, call it power or control.
Speaker 1:You are making it sound as if you are justified to assume a driver is going to run not a driver not a driver, this driver totality of the.
Speaker 4:I mean just the short amount of observed signs and symptoms. Cues, non-verbal cues you could you know that this guy is not going to do what you wanted, just based on the 20 seconds that we already watched, right out, of every driver in every situation, but of this driver in this situation yes, and we're only going based on what we see here.
Speaker 1:So, um tim said, mr billfold, I don't think it's about control, I think it's about that they can't take the chance he will run. Sometimes there are signs and they have to go with that. Yeah, I mean it's just about reading people and I like to compare it to how people do their jobs. I mean, I could not walk into whatever job you do. Let's say you work at Subway. There are subtle insights, like you guys can tell, working at Subway, the way somebody looks down at the food on the thing and looks up at the board and you already kind of know what sandwich they're going to order and you can't explain how you've just done it for so long. And I'm using that example because somebody told me that before, like I work at I've worked at Subway the last 10 years I can tell you just in, in 10 seconds, the type of sub and what bread somebody's going to get, and they haven't said anything. I'm like, well, that's pretty amazing. I was a bartender and I could do. You know you had an idea. That's a beer dude. All right, sir, what beer can I get you? And most of the time you're right, it's just an instinctual thing. Um, andy said it's.
Speaker 1:It fits 90% of the videos we see. It's not just five or six, it fits 90% of the videos that are in your algorithms. If you like to find videos of cops fucking up, that's going to be your algorithms. You know how I know that? Because that's my algorithms, because I'm always looking for cops screwing up. But I do the job and I know 90% of the cops, 99% of the cops are out there doing what they're paid to do, what they should be doing. My goal is to get rid of that 1%. My goal is to start showing there's a difference between ignorance and intentionality Somebody being malicious. I think we need to help squash ignorance in police work. There's a lot of that. Me and Frank were talking about that earlier the ID crackheads I need your ID, I need your ID. You don't have a right to somebody's ID. Nope, and then finding out later that they just had shit training and that's look, your department's bigger than mine, and then finding out later that they just had shit training.
Speaker 4:So, and that's you know. Look, are you, your, your department's bigger than mine? Then I think bandings was smaller than mine. So we were, we're. I'm kind of in the middle, but I guarantee that the training, no matter what it is, whether it's DT, whether it's firearms, whether it's constitutional law updates or legal updates or traffic law or criminal law, I guarantee that there were different levels of training between the three of our agencies because of size, jurisdiction, um, funding, you know, there's all kinds of variables that are in there. Yeah, I mean, just like you could go to a great bar and you can go to a shitty bar, because they have different funding, you can go to a good hotel in a shitty hotel, because they have different funding. You can go to a good hotel and a shitty hotel because they have different funding.
Speaker 4:Police departments, you know, and you could have a great doctor a shitty doctor. It doesn't mean that all doctors are terrible. Just like you could have a great cop and a shitty cop, and doesn't mean all cops are terrible. Like, let's stop grouping everyone into into these groups just to say, well, this is based on your fill in the blank gender orientation, job, religion, whatever it is like. Let's just start dealing with people individually and saying, hey, you're a great human, you're a great human, I don't care what color you are. Whatever, you're a good person or hey, you're a shitty person. You know, or you're shitty at your job or you're great at your job. It has nothing to do with all of these other things, no matter what your job is yeah that's, that is today's problem.
Speaker 4:I mean it supersedes any, you know, any sort of metric that you want to put in there. It's just we. We just want to group people, no matter what it is, whether it's uniform or color or religion or what yeah, um, I want to hit patrick true love's comment here.
Speaker 1:detective thornton hates the officer safety excuse being used so broadly and I agree and this is where I, this is where I challenge officers to um, if you're going to use officer safety, if you're like, hey man, I'm going to pull you out, officer safety, articulate it on your camera as you're doing it and telling this person, hey man, you keep looking down to the right in between and moving your hand right by the center console, like I don't know what you're doing. I have an officer safety issue. Now I need you to step out of the vehicle, articulate what that officer safety is, if I can see and show and prove that you were manipulating and itching your hand down. And then, lo and behold, I pull you out of the car and there was a gun right there in between the center console and the driver's seat like that. That to me, if you're going to use officer safety as an excuse, you better be able to articulate it. It can't be a vague, blank statement like like Patrick's alluding to. I agree, um, you need to articulate it.
Speaker 7:And here in Texas, eric and I and I know Frank does too, because Arizona is pretty much the same way on it but we deal with a lot of people with guns. It's, it's, it's Texas. We're huge on the second amendment and we don't mind people having guns and that's so. Let's lay that out as well. But it's the articulation of motion during that stop there's. You know, a reasonable and prudent person, if you want to put it in perspective is not going to keep putting a hand down by a gun.
Speaker 7:You know, most of the time when I stop people, as long as I'm treating them with respect, as it should be done, they're going to let me know hey, sir, I've got a gun in the glove box, I've got a gun on the center console, my insurance is in there as well, and then we'll deal with it safely during that stop and I appreciate them letting me know. It's all about the safety. I want to make sure he goes home or she goes home and I want to make sure I go home to my family as well. And if I have to pull somebody out for one moment to make sure that that scene is secure and safe and then do whatever, conduct the rest of our business, and then everybody goes home on their separate ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mr Billfold said in Georgia post meaning the police Officer standards and training.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to become a cop. Basically all the training that's needed to get your badge is 810 hours, but it's 1,500 hours to become a barber. I believe that and that's fair. However, what a barber doesn't require is the minimum state 40 hours of continuous training, not to mention the department-regulated training that you have to do, regulated training that you have to do, and whatever legislative updates come out and whatever continuous general orders updates come out that like the the level of training, and we didn't even get into FTO phase. You got four months of FTO, you got three months and then a one month goes phase. So there's an additional what? 30 or however many hours that would be, um, that shit actually 160, it's actually 160 is it probationary period, even after?
Speaker 1:that you got a year-long of probationary period. Um, so that's the difference being, once you become the barber, the, the continuous training, isn't the same as the police training. And then we didn't get into firearms proficiency fitness tests, which is a joke in a lot of places. The fitness standards yeah, I'm big on the fitness standards Didn't get into the fitness standards. Driving proficiency Well, some departments don't even have that.
Speaker 1:But that's a poor argument on my part. So, yeah, I get it Cool being a barber has. But what's? If your point is cops don't get enough training, I'm with you. They don't get enough training. They don't get enough quality training. And then there's a disparity in the training. What one department gets is way up here versus another department that gets the same title and it's way down here. Training is all over the fucking board with police, and I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1:I think that's the overall message you were trying to bring up. I'm looking at the positive side of that. Let me see, stop being lazy and do some investigating and get PC instead of just getting ID and hoping he has warrants. That's I mean potato, potato, I mean like if I can get your ID and get a warrant to find out more cool. I don't think that's being lazy, I think it's being efficient. But if I have a right to your ID, like I'm going to check no matter what. If I have a right to your ID, I'm going to check out your background because I don't know who I'm dealing with. If I pull you over and I find out that you've got three assaults on a public servant in your background, like that's important information to have, even though it's just for a traffic stop, that's important information to have. So is that being lazy? No, I just think it's getting as much information as you can based on what you got.
Speaker 1:If I can't get your ID, if I can't take the shortest, quickest route, well then, yeah, I got to do some more investigating. What do you got, frank?
Speaker 4:I don't know, I just I. So I mean, I think I don't think getting someone's ID is lazy. Again, as I've, as I've said before, it's part of conducting a full and thorough investigation.
Speaker 4:And you need to know who you're talking to. That's, I mean, that's the that's the fact of the matter is, it's just, it's part of what we do. It is part of being contacted by the police If you've committed a crime or committed a violation. Um, it's held up by by all sorts of case law, at least in the state of Arizona and the Supreme Court. So I mean, is doing your job and knowing when you can get someone's ID and not lazy? No, I don't particularly think so. Is checking for warrants what we do? Yes, it's what we do. And does it save a lot of problems when you're like, man, I really need to get this guy out of here. Oh look, he's got a warrant. Well, now he's going to go? Yeah, super easy, it solves a lot of problems. And is that being is making a good criminal arrest being lazy? No, I also don't think so. So I yeah, yeah, I got. I got a lot of disagreements with that.
Speaker 1:Okay. Mr Belfold said if there were only one out of a hundred police that are bad cops, that suggests the good cops are woefully incapable of policing their own. I don't think that that's necessarily true, I disagree with that also.
Speaker 1:I don't see that that is true at all. I've used this example before at my own department. Every year that I've been here and I've been at this particular department 13 years somebody's been arrested every year and charged. I'm just saying just one every year. There's been multiple in years, but I'm just giving you the conservative one. A year since I've been here has been arrested and charged.
Speaker 1:You don't hear about it because nobody cares about cops doing their job, holding bad cops accountable. The times you do hear about it is like in this example, 99% of cops is not 100% correct. I know five cops that got arrested and the department only had 12 cops. That's when you hear about that shit. That's a big deal. But that statistic does not represent policing as a whole. It represents a problem at that department. But good cops had to arrest them. So cops hold cops accountable. Did we lose Frank? We lost Frank. So I get what you're saying, but the point that I'm trying to keep up with the comments guys, so just bear with me real quick. So I see what you're saying, I just the stats and stuff. I don't even want to get into the stats. I don't agree that. That's how it is. This is a long one and it got cut off, so I'm going to read it.
Speaker 1:Michelle Larkin said I agree wholeheartedly about ignorance versus intention. I worked in traffic law for over 20 years and I believe there is a great need for higher education for officers. The majority, however, are either following what they believe to be proper procedure in case, in some cases perhaps slightly overly defensive due to the fear for their personal safety as well as the community at large, and it is a very small percentage in comparison to those hardworking individuals who actually demonstrate intentional criminal conduct. I think that's fair. You know you make 300 traffic stops 300 traffic stops. You had no problems. I think, frank, you make more traffic stops than any of us. You've made more traffic stops than I've made my entire career. I can't hear Frank at all. Frank's mic's went out. He was having mic issues. Earlier, frank, you left and then you came back and now we can't hear you. This is the best Frank I've ever dealt with.
Speaker 7:I can't hear shit.
Speaker 1:You're still muted, sir. Let me look at his. You're all good on my side, but we can't hear you. The technical issues let's see. Hey, there's Frank, he's back.
Speaker 4:I said, I've done more graphic stuff this year than you've done in your career.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 4:I mean, I'm a great example of that. You pulled up the most popular video of the Fridays with Frank series and that was one video from I was still wearing tan. I've been in green for two years that was one video from three years ago and I've probably done roughly 100 to 200 traffic stops per pay period. So every two weeks I try to do 100 traffic stops a week if I can.
Speaker 2:Oh my.
Speaker 4:God. So I try to do 100 traffic stops every two weeks. So every pay period I try to do 100 traffic stops, so about 200 a month, and so you figure in somewhere. Even slow times figure 2,000 a year. So I've done 4,000. With that year included, I've done 6,000 roughly traffic stops and there's one video that people MF me about all the time. But I've done 6,000 traffic stops.
Speaker 4:I've had almost a negligible amount of complaints. I mean I don't know, you could probably count them on one hand out of those 6,000 traffic stops. I mean it's. The statistics just on me as an individual traffic cop are infinitely minute when you start talking about complaints on conduct and I haven't, I've never had a sustained traffic complaint on me for doing anything wrong ever. But man, people love to pull up that traffic stop and be like, oh, look what he does. Right, 6,000 traffic stops in the last three years. I mean it's. I mean I've got a 24 year career, yeah. So I mean, think about that, you know, extrapolate those numbers out to the tens of thousands of people that I've contacted standing on the side of the road and you pick one traffic stop out and call me a terrible cop, like, come on, man, and that's just me. That's just me as an individual. Think of the tens of thousands of cops that are out there contacting people. I mean, it's just it's. Yeah.
Speaker 4:It's hard. It's hard to just put everyone into a group.
Speaker 1:Harrison Brock said should we, the people, be able to look into a cop's background? Are they being investigated by the FBI, DEA, Um?
Speaker 4:I've never known a cop to be investigated by the FBI like that I've ever worked with ever.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, I personally don't either. But um, ever, yeah, I personally don't either, but that's kind of a vague. What do you mean? Looking to their background, their work background? I mean I think all of their work background would be FOIA. Unless it's an active investigation, then no, because you're not trained in investigating and you're not certified in investigating. That's recognized by the state. So why would you want to screw up, like if they were investigating me, for instance, like why would you, joe Blow, citizen, have a right to look at that investigation while it's still going on? I wouldn't want you screwing that up. Me, as a citizen, wouldn't want somebody else looking into it. Screwing it up is what I'm getting at now. Once it's done, sure, like you should be able to look at an officer's background. Absolutely, they have a jacket.
Speaker 7:I think that should be, you know, foiled or whatever they call that freedom of information act absolutely information for work and just the ones that I've heard of in reference to federal investigations and stuff like that. Usually the department is contacted when that has happened and that person again from what I'm being told by good sources is usually pulled off the street until that investigation is complete on an administrative type of lead thing. Now I could be wrong in other states, but that's what I've heard here.
Speaker 1:What is CCGN? It says CCGN. We see far too many that just don't care. Andy Fletcher, I don't know what that means. Sorry either, my brain's not firing on all cylinders tonight, but Ryan Holsinger said police make over 50,000 traffic stops a day. I'm not part of that. I don't make traffic stops. Uh, I take that back, I do, but most of the time it's like hey man, did you know your taillights out? Like, get that fixed, like I'm not writing a ticket, just let them know who looks at their own taillight. I don't look at my taillights. So you know, if you, if you're like your headlights, I, hey man, pulled you over. If your headlights are, hey man, pulled you over because your headlight's out, just letting you know. Cool, have a good day.
Speaker 1:You know I'm not a revenue generator like some people, frank ain't got shit on Coffee City Police Department, 200 cops on duty and a reserve for a town of 500 people.
Speaker 4:What that's nuts.
Speaker 1:Is that real Coffee City? I'm looking that shit up right now. Coffee Is there two F's in coffee? Yeah, coffee City Police, that's in, that's in Texas. Uh-oh, police and population. Let's see there's a town Coffee City in Henderson County that might not be in Texas.
Speaker 4:Henderson, I think is in Nevada.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I thought, when there are 50 full-time and reserve officers, 50, not 500. But I mean, that's a good portion of the city, holy shit. Yeah, that is in 2023. I'm going to share this tab. Let's get this out of here. Is it not sharing? It's not sharing. There we go. Yeah, it is a Texas town In Texas town. It has about 250 people. It has 50. Sworn Jesus, all right. I wonder what the 5,100 citations were. Wrote that year oh my God, that's a hammering it. Officer was terminated for posting on Facebook. You should kill yourself and do the world a favor. Officer suspended for smashing a window and entering into his girlfriend's home without consent.
Speaker 4:Yep, yep, they should be arrested for that. Yep, I agree, that's probably it's be arrested for that. Yep, I agree, that's probably a good one to go to jail for.
Speaker 1:Deputy constable suspended after a burglary victim's laptop computer was found in his home.
Speaker 4:That's probably something you should also go to jail for.
Speaker 1:Terminated for tackling a non-resisting citizen to the ground during a traffic stop. A non-resisting citizen to the ground during a traffic stop. Deputy slapping handcuffs, slapping a handcuffed inmate without provocation Also something you should go to jail for.
Speaker 1:Two officers terminated for lying on their job application. Okay, fair, get fired for that. Holy shit, that's a whole lot of uh problems going on there. So, yeah, um, that's crazy. Uh, let me trying to go back to the, to the comments here. Mr billfold, big red boner, please look into what's been going on. Stuttgartgart, arkansas, I think it's Stuttgart, stuttgart. I haven't heard of that. One who cares what's going on there? I love the fact that he called you Big Red Boner now, so that's going to be your new nickname.
Speaker 4:Hey, nepotism is great if you're a nepot.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's what Andy was talking about CCGN Constitutional Country Girl News. I knew my brain was not firing tonight. Oh, that's what andy was talking about ccgn constitutional country girl news. I knew my brain was not firing tonight. Um, let's see.
Speaker 4:All right, we haven't even finished this video yet I was just gonna say, man, we're, we're down a rabbit hole yeah, we did.
Speaker 1:We went down a rabbit hole. I apologize y'all, I'm not gonna lie. I'm my brain's not in it tonight. I'm trying to get around Share screen. Boo boo, boo boo. Where are we at? What's this one? Suspect tries. Suspect tries, share. Let's finish this.
Speaker 6:All right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, as we were saying, I would pull him out of the car. It looks like he's about to take off. I would love to know why we're here. No man, no man, Don't do that. He's calling it out man, don't do that, don't do that. So he already sees it happening. Something that the camera doesn't see, which is a good point to show, is like what we see from our eyes isn't always what we see on the camera.
Speaker 6:Something to consider. What's he calling?
Speaker 2:for bro.
Speaker 4:That's a bottle of Jose Cuervo. Yeah, you got an open container of alcohol.
Speaker 1:So now, even when he does run, you got to chase him because he's a danger to everybody, because you can articulate that this is a possible DWI DUI. However you say it, um, driving while under the influence of alcohol. Hmm, okay For me. Right now I'm pulling at that head, I'm I'm trying to. Where the head goes, the body follows. I can't tell if he's in his seat belt or not. Um, but I am going to like, in this instance, because the car's already moved a little bit, I think, um, I'm gonna be digging my thumb right into eyeballs. I'm gonna be doing what I can. I'm gonna try to avoid having to use my gun. Um, let's be full honest. If that car starts to move, I'm just gonna disengage.
Speaker 4:Let go and get the fuck out of there I was gonna say there's no, there's no reason for a gun, right yeah?
Speaker 1:if I feel like I'm stuck. That's what I'm gonna resort to. I'm going to resort to some craziness if I feel like I can't get off of there, which goes into the argument. Did we put ourselves into that exigency? I would say, as soon as I feel that car start to move or I think he's going to get in gear, I tell my guys get the fuck out of there, just let it go. Jump in your car and start following, if you can, um, but do not get yourself caught up in that vehicle. Uh, banning, what, what, what's your thoughts same thing on that?
Speaker 7:we don't. We do our best with proper training to to not get in the position unless we have to. I don't know this officer's timeline of when he pulled up. I've had, unfortunately, several calls like this to where a relative calls in my son stole my car. The dispatcher does their best to establish the fact that he's never been able to borrow the car before, to make sure it's not a civil matter, it's a criminal matter. And then, rolling up something like this, I always had stop sticks behind my passenger seat, one set up where I could get out and throw it up underneath that wheel while I'm doing that investigation, just to where, if it does take off, at least it's not going to be as a hype, fast-paced pursuit that it could be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with Ryan. Cops need to stop jumping on vehicles when they try to flee.
Speaker 7:We disagree with that every time, I'd say 80% of the time that we see that on these videos. We disagree with what they're doing.
Speaker 1:Every time I'd say 80% of the time that we see that on these videos we disagree with what they're doing. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of jumping on cars, getting into cars Like listen, the juice has to be worth the squeeze. If I am in a position where, let's and this is just a made-up scenario okay, let's say this kid is wanted for killing 15 infant children and he is on his way to go kill number 16. Like I, I may, I may sacrifice myself. In that case, I don't mean sacrifice, I mean jump in the car. I don't want to die, trust me. Um, I mean jump in the car. I don't want to die, trust me, because, end of the day, this is babies. You killed babies, dude. However, stealing mom's car, as the title says, I don't give a shit, it's property. End of the day, it's property. I'm not risking my life for somebody's property.
Speaker 1:So Andy Fletcher said saw that a few years ago cop got drug through a concrete plant? I didn't see that one Damn. There's a bunch of videos and I don't disagree when these cops are using deadly force because they're stuck on a vehicle. My problem is they created that exigency and that is, that's what the courts are. That's, that's the big thing in the Supreme courts right now is creating your own exigency. Frank, what, what, what has been your experience with jumping on cars or getting in front of cars or shooting into fleeing cars?
Speaker 4:I got drugged by a car in 2010. No so, yeah, I ended up in the hospital and, yeah, I got ran over my leg.
Speaker 1:Um, oh no yeah, I didn't ask that question. Knowing that story, I probably didn't, I promise oh shit so you've got no better perspective on this than any of us.
Speaker 4:I've got a lot. It's kind of why I haven't been talking a whole lot. Since you started mentioning that, I was like I've got my own views. My bad, but it was again 14 years ago, coming up on 15 years ago, so you're talking about a long time ago. As a much younger man, I grabbed someone in a car, which they always tell you not to do, because they say that you can't let go and you can't, and that is absolutely correct. So I got drugged and as the speed started getting up, I was like oh, it's probably time for me to disengage, as I'm hanging on the side of this car with one hand on the roof and one hand on the driver.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 4:So when I disengaged I landed on my back and the back driver's side tire. The car ran over my leg, my, uh, my left leg, as I landed flat, um, so just went over. It Didn't break anything. I had a Venus bleed in my leg, uh, got a couple of stitches. Guy went to jail, obviously for aggravated assault.
Speaker 4:When my partner caught him, um, but it was, I was 100% in the wrong, for I had a reason to grab the guy. I was 100 in the wrong, for I had a reason to grab the guy, um, and it was. It was totally lawful, but I was wrong in doing it. Um, and it was 100 ego driven, um, and huge eye opener. I bet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's you know, and I think that we can. You know, as we progress through this career, um, like I'm way better of a servant now than I was 24 years ago when I started. I'm much more of a stoic and I'm much more of a better human being. All those go through trials and tribulations and mistakes that I've made. I think all three of us have made mistakes during our careers. There's a hundred things that, looking back, I wish I could have done different. Uh, and that night. That night was one of them and it was. You know, there's there's a bunch of different reasons that I could have, um, you know a bunch of different ways that I could have handled that differently. Um, you know, and I just I picked I'd literally picked the worst of all of their options and went, hey, that's the only way to go with. Um, you know, looking back on it, yeah, so I paid the price for quite a while for that and yeah, it was all ego-driven.
Speaker 1:I love that you're able to own that, though I think that's the important part for citizens to see that aren't in law enforcement, or maybe not. The most law enforcement friendly is, is it one are? Are the officers owning up to their mistakes? I think that's big. I think any officer that can own up to their mistakes. That's the ones I want to keep. That that's the ones, is it?
Speaker 1:You know, if you shot a person like and you, you shouldn't have shot that person Like, okay, you're not recoverable, I can't, I can't have you, you're, you're too risky. Yeah, you're owning it. Great, I shouldn't have shot that guy like, but you're too big of a risk. But you know, hey, I jumped on a car trying to catch a bad guy because I thought I was billy badass and I I got humbled really quick like cool, I guess what I know that cop's not gonna do again. He ain't gonna jump on a car again. And now you're going to be able to advocate to other cops, young cops in their career, and tell them like hey, look, learn from me, I'm an idiot, I fuck this up.
Speaker 4:No, absolutely, and I talk a lot in police academy about that because, like you, um, you know, and banning, I I instruct a lot and you know I teach the academy and um, and I think it's different when you read it in a book, like oh, don't grab people in cars.
Speaker 1:Like, oh, that's cool, man, right, it's in a book great and uh and and this is a part that people they they get upset about they're like so he was charged with an extra crime because you grabbed on. No, you still need to be held accountable for your actions.
Speaker 4:You don't blame the school Because I grabbed him wasn't the problem. It was the problem that he drove away. Right, it's not Me. Grabbing him was not the variable in this scenario, it was the fact that he was leaving after being told he was under arrest. That's the difference.
Speaker 1:We don't blame the spoon for making you fat. The cops are the spoon.
Speaker 7:So, on a lighter note, keeping this two cops, one donut, frank, when you were doing rehab I'm assuming there's some sort of rehab that went on after this Did your supervisor at least bring you a battery powered LIDAR to where you could use that for incoming nurses carts and you know it's in your speed as they were coming into your room.
Speaker 4:I was like this is terrible. I'm going through. I'm like can someone just fill me? Bring me a citation so I can fill it out, like I just. You know, you're surrounded by friends right here.
Speaker 1:You're getting kudos for owning up to making mistakes. Agreed Part of it, man? Yeah, this is. If I could change one part of the culture. We seem to be taking this weird turn where accountability falls away from people doing stupid things like this kid. I guarantee he's scared, he doesn't know how to handle the situation. He's young and he's driving off on a cop. I'm not going to look at this cop and say that this kid doesn't deserve another charge simply because, well, you shouldn't have grabbed onto him because the car was pulling off. No, he's doing what he's paid to do, what the law backs him up to do. He's doing what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 1:This kid is making bad decisions, bad mistakes. It is up to the judge to take all of these factors in account and say, okay, well, okay, the officer shouldn't have grabbed on, but this isn't this kid. You know, later on down the line we find out well, this isn't the first time this kid's ran from cops and we let him off before. Whatever the case may be, let the judge figure that part out. That's not the cop's job. Cop throws a charge. Hey, man, like you ran over my fucking leg because you couldn't listen. Like how is that on frank, that that part isn't on frank, that's on the kid or whoever I'm I keep pointing at this kid.
Speaker 1:He gets nothing this kid in particular did not run over frank. So whoever this person was that ran frank over, you know frank owns up like and frank paid for it. He paid for it in ways that the system wasn't going to do anything about. Uh, you know, and and life lessons were learned, but I don't. I don't like the mentality of well, now this guy gets an extra charge because you were dumb.
Speaker 4:No, the guy could have not driven away. How?
Speaker 1:about that.
Speaker 1:I don't like the instinctual atmosphere we've created where police, bad guy, here's the events, bad guy gets caught or whatever. Here's the events, bad guy gets caught or whatever People get hurt and the immediate reaction is well, what did the cop do? Like, come on now, come on now, guys, it's society. Let's look and see All right, what did the bad guy do? All right, he did this. And then you find out, well, all the bad guy did was cross the road illegally. Okay, now let's start looking at the cop Like that wasn't a big. If that was all that happened, that's not a big deal. But like you ran from the police, dragged a cop in the first. I'm not saying I apologize to I think it's Ryan that asked. Ryan, I'm not pointing at you specifically, but I in general like let's not make that our first instinct. Like you guys know me, I'm an optimist, so I'm always trying to look at the positive side of shit. I apologize, it's just what I do. He said but that would be fleeing, not aggravated assault it.
Speaker 4:It wouldn't be if that like there would be no chance for an aggravated assault if you had complied with what the police were trying to tell you to do yep so and resisting arrest because you were given the information that you were placed under arrest and it's aggravated assault whether I'm a law enforcement officer or not, yeah, it doesn't matter if he's a cop. If a human is hanging off of your car, no normal human says I'm going to drive away Like that's. It has nothing to do with me being a law enforcement officer, it has to do with me being a human being and the fact that you ran me over, yeah, it's like let's again let's take the cop part out of it and it's just like human.
Speaker 1:It's like you ran over a human purposefully, yeah, and I kind of think back to, like, protesters that stand in the freeway Like now, what happens then? Okay, so I'm to look at ryan's side of things on this. So if we're, if we're in the freeway and we're protesting and we get in the way, is it ag assault when that protester gets hit by a car for trying to protest in the freeway?
Speaker 4:I think that there's a? Um, there's a culpability in the protester for knowing that they're standing in the middle of a road that's posted as 65 or, in some places in Texas, 75. Um, you know, I think that there's a. There's a certain culpability there. Um, almost like a culpable mental state of like, well, I'm going to stand in the middle of the road and there a possibility of getting hit. Um, I think that that's a. It's a different variable, because you're it's like standing in the back of a shooting range and then saying, hey, people are shooting at me. Well, you're standing there in the back of a shooting range, like, yeah, people are going to shoot you. Well, yeah, you're standing in the middle of the road. What do you expect is going to happen? People are going to shoot, shoot in that direction. If you're standing in the road, people are going to drive on the roadway. It is where legal vehicles drive, and if you're standing in the middle of the roadway and you get hit by a car that's legally on the road being operated, right, am I drawing?
Speaker 1:No, you're right, You're right. And this is why I like just saying shit off the top of my head and seeing where it goes, because now my brain went somewhere else. If a protester jumped in the freeway to do their protest and they get struck and their body takes out another person and kills them, but they live, they're going to get charged with that person's death. If the protester's body gets flung by another car because they were intentionally trying to block the roadway, Like a felony murder rule.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, sounds like your dog is getting out of control. Yeah, I'll be right back.
Speaker 1:You're good, do what you got to do. So this is what I try to do, guys. I want to see from everybody's point of view, because I fully admit I am going to have a skewed bias, even if it's unintentional. I've been a cop too long so I'm trying to get outside of myself and look outside of that fishbowl lens that I'm going to have in police work, and that's why I like having all of you guys constantly challenging me from a different mindset, from a not police mindset, because you guys, you bring up great points. And was it Andy? Andy? Yeah, andy has some good points. I wanted to bring up his topic here. He said unfortunately, we see a horrific lack of accountability from the very top. There is little accountability at the top level of government, any level of government. I would ask you to be a little more specific on that, andy. It's not that I disagree with you. I think you got a good point, but I think you got more behind that comment that you're not saying. I'd like to hear what the specifics of that are.
Speaker 7:Keith the arson guy said I think Texas passed a law that the driver is not liable for running over protesters on roadways Good, I mean, there's always been a law there that no pedestrians within a state highway or interstate in the state of Texas anyway, regardless of a protest. And Texas highways guys, just like other highways in the United States they're going up. A lot of the highways here, especially in the area that I live, are all 75 miles an hour until you get about two miles before a municipality or another city and that's when it starts staging down 65, 55, then down to 35 within that municipality. But the speed limits on the highways here are 75. And there's 75 around other larger cities in the state of Texas as well, especially on toll lanes and whatnot. Right, Some of them here are 85.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ryan said I'm saying the charge would have been different if he wouldn't have grabbed on Fair. But he's within his rights to try to effect an arrest and you don't know necessarily. Now this is where it gets weird. It's a very case-by-case basis, but let's just go with Frank's example, because he's the one talking about it and he's the one that did it, even though he admits he shouldn't have done it. Does that make him wrong and liable? I would say no. And does that misplace that charge? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I don't want to get away from the accountability of somebody that had the opportunity to surrender peacefully and under any reasonable and prudence that we can can say you got a fully uniformed officer giving you lawful commands, dah, dah, dah, dah dah. You know like and I and I chat, andy, if I pulled you over and I told you hey, you are not free to go, you are under arrest step out of the vehicle and you hammer the gas and I'm like, oh shit, and my first instinct is to try to grab you. And let's say I don't ride the car, but let's just say I grab, I get snagged real quick and my foot gets ran over and broken. Well, it's still ag assault? Are you saying that that shouldn't be allowed? It's the same premise. So yeah, I don't know, just bringing up conversation, you guys. Um, let's, uh, let's go to the video. Sorry, this is what happens. We, we don't even get through a full fucking video. We're already an hour and a half in the conversation.
Speaker 1:I know the conversations are so good and then they all talk to each other and they have great conversations going on in the comments. Um, you guys are like the crowd. I mean you guys are firm but respectful I guess that's the best way I can put it firm but respectful. And that's what makes this so fun. Nobody's trolling just to be trolls. So we've got a damn good crowd tonight, so I appreciate it. Let me put this back up there. Let's finish this fucking video. I'm going to play it and not stop. Hey, there we go.
Speaker 2:For what, bro? What happened Bro? Let me go.
Speaker 5:It's only three. I'm in the back of the building. I'm in the back of the building. Yo, let me go.
Speaker 1:I hope the car's in park.
Speaker 2:What happened bro? What happened bro? What happened, what happened? I hope the car is in park.
Speaker 1:It muted itself. That wasn't me. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2:babe, what was that?
Speaker 7:Okay, it wasn't much more to it.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Police Activity for that one, yeah, absolutely yeah, Police, yeah, police activity. We got all of our videos tonight again from police activity on youtube. Shout out to them. We use them almost exclusively. Uh, we're not associated with them, not affiliated, they're not a sponsor of any means, but they do a lot of work in the background to get these man yeah, they get up-to-date raw body cam footage.
Speaker 1:It's not interrupted by any filler or fluff, so very cool. I saw somebody say something about supporting. Where was that? Consider supporting the channel. This forum is important. Thank you very much, mr Belfold. And specific shout-out to Mr Belfold. And a specific shout out to Mr Belfold. I think he is the first official person since we were able to monetize on our channel that decided to subscribe and hang in and be a part of what we do. So appreciate that. What is Andy said? Ah, left us hanging.
Speaker 7:It did, andy, and we feel the same way. We wish the video would be a little bit more intuitive, have some more information on there, but that's what's available at this moment on the channel for that exact call. So we have what you saw and that's all we have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what I liked is we didn't see this kid get unnecessarily beat on. They held him, that one officer by himself held him down. Best he could waited for his backup officer to get there so he could finish cuffing. They got him up and got him secure. I mean, if I were to guess that kid was drunk, obviously with the Jose Cuervo bottle, just making stupid decisions and end of the day, nobody was hurt. I don't think that officer was hurt.
Speaker 7:Throw up Mr Bill Foulds' comment.
Speaker 1:He said you got me girl, thank you.
Speaker 5:Was it as good for you as it was for us?
Speaker 1:I didn't think my first time would be so quick, but damn and cheap. No man, we do appreciate it Absolutely. Let me tell you guys how new the channel being monetized is. I'm going to minimize this for a second If I can figure out how to do it. Our YouTube channel is so new. How new is it, eric? Our YouTube channel is so new to being monetized that I don't even have the ability to get the money that is used by people to subscribe. I had to do like this dual authentication thing where they send a physical letter to my address with a code that I need to use to punch into YouTube in order to start getting the money that you guys use for the subscription. So that's how new we are to it.
Speaker 1:And then YouTube, from what I've learned. Let's say, you threw out like $50. I get like $3 of that. It's insane. They take everything. I'm learning. I'm new. I'm new to this. So listen, I appreciate it If you want to support us financially. This costs money to do. I've dropped $60, grand over four years doing this and not got a penny back on that. But here we are. It's important.
Speaker 7:It's important to us to speak with all of y'all to understand if there is more than one side. What is it that some people don't understand? And we're just going to give you our opinion from having that many years on the street. And we are here to fight for your rights. I've got to make that clear. All three of us Anybody that we have on here that's a peace officer is here to fight for your rights period, yep, and I want you guys to kind of see the vision.
Speaker 1:The goal of what we want to do down the line is I don't want just you guys know, I don't want an echo chamber. So that's why I've got specifically the lineup of cops that I've got to begin with, I want to start getting kind of like a civilian oversight board as well. Um, so part of that, uh, a guy on tiktok, uh, tim, which you've seen in the comments, is tim e. Um, not timmy, uh, but timmy. Um, he's been on here, he's been chatting in the thing and he's got his mic going. Uh, he's got his camera, he's got his green screen, so we're going to start getting him on here. Because I want a civilian perspective. Are you drinking coffee? You just had a beer.
Speaker 4:Decaf, decaf, coffee, oh Jesus.
Speaker 1:How addicted are you?
Speaker 4:No decaf coffee because it's something warm, and when we get off here in about half an hour we're going to go to bed selling something nice and warm on my belly. I also have a bowl of venison barley soup because I was a little hungry Okay, I'm okay.
Speaker 1:Little hungry Okay, I'm okay with that. That's legit. I would love some venison Venison barley soup man.
Speaker 1:I like it. So anyway, ryan said you guys are making a difference. I appreciate it. Sometimes you guys tear us up so bad in the comments. Not tearing us down, I'm an idiot, I'm a stupid cop, so like my articulation and able to argue things. Sometimes I'm like fuck, I don't know how to argue this. Like good job, you got me, what can I do? Banning you say so. You'll see guys full disclosure a lot of times if I don't even have a good argument. But frank, what do you think about that?
Speaker 7:it works man anybody on the spot last minute.
Speaker 1:You just fuck you like I don't have an answer, so I'm giving you guys my secrets. Uh, from the guy drinking. What's wrong with coors man? It's a banquet of beers. Banquet of beers, right. And now I'm drinking smoke wagon, so you're welcome. This one is Desert Colt. Shout out to smoke wagon. They are not a sponsor. But all right, let's get to the next one. You wish they were. I do wish they were. I wish I had any sponsor, tim, he said. I hope I can do what I can to help with the channel. Sir, I'm excited to get you on here we have. You'll be the first civilian that we've had. So it's going to be interesting sorry amber where's amber.
Speaker 1:He said this fucker made me hungry. Well, you know he makes a lot of women thirsty. So come on now. Let me get to the video. Before frank ends up impregnating somebody a little humor all right, and let's big size. Bam, there we go. All right again. Police activity viewer, discretion advised.
Speaker 2:You've been warned, y'all I'm in one state emergency. Hi, this guy, I'm sorry. Oh, he just hit my car.
Speaker 3:Okay, let me get you to CHP one second. He's going around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's definitely.
Speaker 6:Oh my.
Speaker 2:God, so he almost hit somebody head on. You guys. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6:He's going all right Now he's going towards.
Speaker 2:Fresno on 41. Okay, so he's going towards Fresno Yep.
Speaker 6:He's going to hit me again. He's trying to hit you.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, ma'am.
Speaker 6:What road are you on?
Speaker 2:Oh, he just slammed right into me. Okay, what?
Speaker 6:road are you on? I need to know what road you're on.
Speaker 5:I'm not on the road man. I'm in the middle of a fucking field. My car is tumbled all the way down.
Speaker 2:All right, I think we're heading down the hill. 425 feet, we're gone. He's definitely going like 70 miles an hour. Yep, he just nicked a FedEx truck.
Speaker 1:Okay. So everything you just heard. Typically, officers don't hear that. However, I want you guys to be aware there are programs out there now like Live 911, and I highly recommend these things. I think there's another one called like SOS something, but it's all under that same premise of the live 911 that allows the officers to hear the call as it's coming in. So what I like about it is me as an officer, I'm not just reading something out of context. Now I get to hear the person giving the information and a lot of times some of the information they're giving doesn't get disseminated across the computer. So everything that this guy just said, if you have a program like Live 911, that helps with response time, and one of the reasons it helps with response time is because it's coming into the system quicker and officers know when they need to step it up and when they got time, or that's the assumption they know when they have time. So this would be a really good one If I heard somebody calling in like that and I hear the crash and I the crash.
Speaker 1:This shit's real, this is really happening. This is really excited. To save human life? Yes, absolutely. So highly recommend you get behind your department and ask if they've been looking into something like Live 911. And they are not a sponsor of ours of any sort. So if you reach out to them and they're like how the hell did you hear about us? Tell them two cops one donut sent you. Maybe it'll help us. Here we go.
Speaker 6:The RP team has just stopped at road 425. B north of green anchor drive, I got it. Three nine zero seven nine. 425 B is failing through a bunch of not tampered.
Speaker 1:I'm going to assume that was our suspect running with. Was that a sword? It didn't look like a gun, did it?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was trying to figure out what that was.
Speaker 7:I'm going to go Tire iron something. Some object? Yeah, I'm going to go back.
Speaker 1:Normally we just kind of watch it all the way through some object. Yeah, I'm gonna go back um. Normally we just kind of watch it all the way through. But I'm gonna go back um. And another point I want to make here is when you have a good dispatcher, I hope they convey the severity through their tone over the radio, like good dispatchers will do that, like this car car is being, you know, they're suspects saying they're being struck by a vehicle. We, the call takers, could hear it in the background, something to that effect. So I'm going to play it again.
Speaker 6:North of green anchor drive. I got it 3, 9, 0, 7, 9. 9-0-7-9.
Speaker 1:4-5-R-B is bailing through a bunch of stuff. Okay for me. I've learned in my career if they're foot bailing out of the car, I'm not exiting my car until I have to. That's old school experience Banning what about you?
Speaker 7:I agree. There's hours of video of me when somebody gets out on foot and I'm still on my Tahoe and falling right behind them and they're getting tired and I'm still good, sipping on whatever energy drink or Mountain Dew or whatever it is that I am, and then when we get to an area that my vehicle can no longer go, then I'll exit the vehicle and start fresh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to go as long as I can until I think I might screw my vehicle up. If I think my vehicle is going to get messed up, then I'll un-ass and go earn my paycheck. Frank, what about you?
Speaker 4:No, I'm 100% on that, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not running.
Speaker 4:That's an old man thing. It is an old man thing. Theookies will park their car where the suspect parks their car. And old men are like nope, I'm going to go ahead and follow this guy on four wheels.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely. Let me go to the questions real quick. Colton, what about if they start shooting into your car?
Speaker 4:Run them over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now my car becomes a 2,000-pound weapon.
Speaker 7:And with banning, if you can get off X and get off that car, we're getting off that car to go get some other cover Because that car is very marked and I'm talking about traffic stops that go bad really fast. Sometimes you've got to get out of that car and go to some other type of cover to where you can address the situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ryan said this video is one reason why they shouldn't use dogs in law. Oh shit, I didn't know we were using a dog. So you're ahead of me, ryan. Slow down. Let us get to that point. We haven't watched this video yet. Have you guys ever seen this? I haven't, okay. Yeah, so don't get too far ahead of us, bro. That didn't look like a gun, some sort of stick, whatever Blunt object.
Speaker 6:Be late pal, Be late pal.
Speaker 1:So if I have a canine, this would be the opportunity. This is one of those times I would use it.
Speaker 4:I see ears, I see canine ears, oh yeah, you do, you see them right there, there they are that's, would use it, I see ears.
Speaker 3:I see canine ears. Oh yeah, you do. You see them right there. There they are. It's a good boy, Melon walk.
Speaker 1:Fast as fuck, firmus 3-9-0-7-9.
Speaker 6:425B. He's bailing through a bunch of oh stand by.
Speaker 2:Stop right there. Stop.
Speaker 6:Drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it.
Speaker 1:Midair shot. Okay, okay, I'm not sure, I don't know why we're firing.
Speaker 7:Yeah, right now, I don't see a justification of firing. Um, here's banning's just opinion. I'm looking at this. That blunt object. He may have tried to hit the dog with it. That's the only thing I can even think of right now, right now I'll have to find out more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I and I've said this a million times on here banning was a canine handler guys. So, um, he's got a lot better insight on this than me. I personally am not a fan. I I put the dog's life over, even my own, which is stupidity. I get it. I'm just such a dog lover that I can't release a dog, or I wouldn't release a dog if I know they have a gun or a knife or something like that, a stick. I'm a little more willing as long as it's not a sharp object, but in any case, that's never a reason, in my opinion, to use deadly force when there's not a human life on the line here.
Speaker 7:Eric, do you remember my dog's name from my podcast?
Speaker 1:I don't Not off the top of my head.
Speaker 7:Just so everybody knows, my dog's name was Mary Jane, and she was amazing.
Speaker 1:So yeah, but we'll, we'll get some more insight. Um, I'm not going to the comments yet, so if you guys got good, good comments, uh, hold off, let me, let me get to them. But, um, right now, releasing a dog and a guy, that's just uh, assaulted citizens with his vehicle and you could hear that call. This is the most opportunistic time to release a dog. There's nobody else around. That dog's not going to bite anybody else. These are the things I'm looking at, and it would allow us to affect the arrest. So, with that in mind, let's keep watching 12-9.
Speaker 6:Shots fired Shots fired Drop the gun, drop it the arrest. So let's, let's, uh. With that in mind, let's keep watching 12 9 shots fired. Shots fired drop the gun drop it, he's not gonna over here the dog.
Speaker 1:The dog heard the gunfire. He's like fuck that, I'm down range bro. He's like I didn't sign up for this. Put your hands out.
Speaker 6:He's like I didn't sign up for this. Put your hands out On your stomach, roll it on your stomach. Now you got him.
Speaker 1:I'll cuff him. Okay, I'm okay with this. We gotta get security first, then we can render aid. So I'm alright with this. We got to get security first then we can render aid.
Speaker 2:So I'm all right with that. Hey, stop running, you're going to get bit. I wish the dogs had money here. Come on here here. Stop running, you're going to get bit Stop.
Speaker 1:I just want to point out the training of this dog to not bite the officer that's ahead of him. Yep Is amazing. I was thinking that same thing, because I know, if I know a canine's on scene, I'm never getting in front of the canine. The handler. I will not do shit until the canine, the canine handler, needs to be in front of me at all times.
Speaker 7:And that's where we need a lot more training, and I know there's training across the United States. But we had a dual team, so there was two dogs, two handlers. At the city I worked at, we consistently trained with our patrol guys on what we expected for safety on a call like this or a tracking call. So the guys were in the know, the gals were in the know to to properly deal with this type of situation.
Speaker 1:Okay, so one of the things I want you to see and this is part of people that like to monday morning quarterback videos this cop is so far behind what we're seeing. He's now yelling at this guy get on the ground, drop the gun. That is where his brain is catching up to what he physically sees. That's how this shit works in real life, guys, and there's a ton of force science that goes behind that. It's insane when people ask how do you get shot in the back? Because by the time the officer pulled the trigger, the guy had already turned and was already taking a couple steps. That's how long it took for the brain to process, put everything together, and he had already pulled the trigger. So there's that it's. It's crazy to me. However, one of the questions was asked who first shot? Or the first shots weren't the police? Were they? I don't know, I couldn't tell.
Speaker 1:I can tell you that if he had a gun and he was turning with it I mean, you're running with a gun from police what are your intentions really? He had to. It wasn't like he had a handgun in his waistband, guys, and ran out of that car. He had to retrieve that gun. That was a long gun. I don't know if it was a rifle or a shotgun, but it was a long gun he had. So you tell me where you think his mind was at to physically grab that, get out of the vehicle and run with that long gun. It wasn't like he just had it on him, it was like, oh shit, I forgot I had my gun on me. That wasn't intentions to get away, that was intentions to do harm to somebody else down the road when he could get his opportunity. That's the way I look at this. I'm seeing a couple of people saying good comments. From a constitutional girl she said bad joke. Dogs are trained to avoid bacon.
Speaker 7:I could talk about that for hours, oh shit.
Speaker 1:That's funny. Somebody said from the first body cam it sounded like the shot was at the dog first. I'll go back. Let me finish this out. I'll be here put your hands out here, that's a damn good dog. We're rendering an A here, that's a damn good job.
Speaker 2:We're rendering aid Go for Charles 9.
Speaker 1:They're not just rendering aid, they're being humans. Talk to me. Talk to me, you can hear him.
Speaker 2:Stay with me, we're turning him. Stay with me.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. That's what I hope to see. So, okay, I want to go back, because somebody said this is the first body cam. Nope, that's the next cam.
Speaker 5:so okay, I want to go back because somebody said they this is the first body cam.
Speaker 6:Nope, the gun's not out yet drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it. I think it was the cop, yeah I didn't.
Speaker 1:I think it was the cop.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1:I think it was the cop.
Speaker 7:I think he, if you slow it down as that dog gets, within about three yards of him, you can see a plume of smoke, and this mic, these body camera mics, may not have picked that up. Okay, I'm just. I'm watching it over and over again.
Speaker 6:Drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it.
Speaker 1:Is there a way to go frame by frame on these things? I don't know about youtube. Let me see what this does. Nope, that one. Are you doing, not that?
Speaker 4:one, not that button.
Speaker 6:That's the next video, I think drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it okay, I don't see a plume of smoke yet right there behind the dog now.
Speaker 7:Now, that's that's what I'm. I could be wrong on that, that could be the dog stirring up the dust, but from what I'm seeing on that, I believe the mics may have not have picked that up and why that officer may have discharged you see, it's either dust from the road or dust from.
Speaker 1:That was definitely a shot by the officer right there, so I'm gonna go back play it again. Let's just see it said yes, the button's at the bottom of your keyboard. Oh. That's not doing anything. It is doing something. Oh shit, look at that. Tim got me. Let me get up there. Close again.
Speaker 6:Drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it.
Speaker 1:Look at the dog. Okay, we can go frame by frame baby. Look at that dog. Oh shit, thank you, tim Fucking win. Right there, I'm a dumb cop y'all. Okay, no shot, no shot, no shot, nothing, nothing, nothing, no shot, no shot, no shot. Right there. Oh yes, you're right. Oh shit, look, if you can. You see my mouse right, is that where you?
Speaker 7:guys are seeing it right there. Okay, I'm gonna tell you, just with my canine training experience, that dog is not going up to detain, that dog is going up to engage. I believe he was given the engage command so with the distraction of a gunshot going off right back to the dog trying to avoid whatever danger, that was it's the only reason he didn't engage. So I said fuck, I'm out.
Speaker 1:I want to read what the comments say. In the description, suspect was driving his own vehicle. Spiked the vehicle. However, the suspect made it to the point where he drove the vehicle off the road. Deputies chased the man down During the footpath. He chased the suspect. Oh, it shot the dog. Suspect shot canine Obi with a shotgun. So you're right.
Speaker 1:He did shoot the dog, holy shit. Um, canine obi was taken this is the part I care about was taken to a nearby emergency veterinary clinic. X-rays show his body was riddled with shotgun pellets. He is expected to remain at the veterinary hospital for at least several days. According to doctors, he will live the rest of his life with numerous pellets, but expected to make a recovery. And this is just what?
Speaker 7:when did this come out? I mean, it's recent yeah, december 16th yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yesterday it came out. Well, holy shit. Oh wow, that's. How did I get this shit so quick, you?
Speaker 4:are. This thing has what?
Speaker 1:6.2 million views no, no, that's how many um people that's on the subscribers. Yeah, uh, views, um, I don't even know how to see that from where we're at.
Speaker 4:That's pretty, that's pretty impressive no, that's not true this happened on november 20th yep all the way up. Go up to the top eric. Oh yeah, yeah, november 20th, yep, go all the way up, go up to the top, eric, oh, yeah, yeah, november 20th.
Speaker 1:They just posted it yesterday, yeah, and it's got 300,000 views approximate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, damn guys, that was good. You fucking spotted that. Holy shit, it's an eagle eye. Yeah, no shit. But yeah, yeah, you shot at him with a shotgun. So let's go to the next video. Shut up.
Speaker 5:I'm saving you guys from the ad. Holy shit, this is not good. Oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck. You're on the police. The workers are going to get you. You're on the police.
Speaker 2:You're on the police. You're on the police. You're on the police. You're on the police. You're on the police. You're on the police. You're on the police. You're on the police. You're on the police, you're on the police cop.
Speaker 1:or is that the bad guy? Can you guys tell? Dressed like a bad guy he's dressed like a bad guy. His where he's standing is definitely not a spot I would stand as a cop, so I can't tell what's going on here. Oh my god, oh my god oh my god.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, all right, please let me see your hands. I read the title on accident right there.
Speaker 1:Double homicide suspect and they've already made contact with him and he's got a gun.
Speaker 4:Oh, there's that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's pretty much going to be a deadly force situation. So, um, I like tim's comment here. He's like see, this is why they need a civilian. On the podcast he helped me figure out how to go frame by frame. Man, uh, ward said we getting that dog a steak, you better? Yep.
Speaker 2:Show us your hands.
Speaker 1:Show us your hands, we're getting a dog and a mite a little bit.
Speaker 2:Behind the power box. Behind the power box.
Speaker 4:Drop the gun. Drop it. Someone needs a rifle when?
Speaker 1:In the building?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was just looking at that too, let's talk. We're talking about someone that's 40 yards away, 30, 40 yards away. Let's get a rifle there.
Speaker 1:I can tell you right now I start to struggle after 25 yards Standing still in a, you know a range that has the ability to shoot back at you. Yeah, exactly, Drop the gun in a you know a range that has the ability to shoot back at you.
Speaker 5:Yeah exactly, Drop the gun. Let's hear it again Drop the gun.
Speaker 1:So in my younger years I used to be I used to be very like this guy. You know he's a homicide suspect. Why are you continuously yelling, drop the gun. Drop the gun. When you know he's a homicide suspect? Why are you continuously yelling, drop the gun. Drop the gun when you know he's not going to listen. You know older, wiser me now knows like hey. When it goes to court and officers said 78 times, drop the gun. Before shots were fired by police, it's pretty hard to argue that you weren't given every opportunity to drop the gun for me.
Speaker 7:It's that maybe that one time you yell it loud enough and something clicks between those ears and they drop it and it comes to a peaceful and the guy goes before you know freaking jury.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's different banning. You got fucking very white voice it just hits different you know you're right. Yeah, drop that gun, baby, you know yeah I, I, actually I I've taken all of the lives that we've done and just cut, banning, talking, and then I just it's, it's what I use to go to sleep. It's my white noise. So, yeah, yeah, I mean I say sleep. You know what I I mean? It only takes me a few minutes to fall asleep. My wife too. It's great. It works for both of us.
Speaker 4:Drop the gun Drop it.
Speaker 1:I hope somebody shoots at him drop the gun.
Speaker 2:We're harvard police. Please just drop the gun. We need to talk about this. I don't think I hear his clapping. Where you at, where you at Right here, where Left eye, left eye, yeah, left eye.
Speaker 1:Turnicet. That bitch Right here on the tourniquet, that is high man, that's like hip.
Speaker 7:Hopefully, buddy, he'd get something on it.
Speaker 1:Yep. Now this may be a hard opinion for some to hear. I'm going to try to give him a tourniquet to start aiding himself and I'm going to pick up his rifle If the threat's still active. Because he just dropped an officer, he's going to drop anybody. So if you don't have anybody that can pick up that rifle and continue to put the fight down there, because everybody else has pistols For me and you guys tell me if you're any different, I'm gonna give him a tourniquet, see if he can handle his own self-aid, but I gotta get the rifle back down range we've got it.
Speaker 7:We've got to stop that threat before somebody else gets hit.
Speaker 1:Period yeah, this is. This is where it's very hard to be callous and I'm not trying to sound callous, it's not what I mean. Mean, this is the military in me, cause, for those that don't know, I'm still in the military. Banning was military too. Frank had flat feet, so it you know my military training instantly takes over and says, okay, the big gun just went down, I got to pick it up and I got to take over. That's where my mind goes on this, and it's it's not to be callous towards my guy, but this is what we signed up for, this is what we knew we were getting into when we became peace officers. So that's just me.
Speaker 1:Umal Country Girl News said only if it's for moral, eric, yeah, it's, and if it's pretty high up on the hip, like there's a lot going on in there, tourniquet's not going to help you, so let's see who goes. All right, those caps are terrible. Yeah, somebody had mentioned that he wasn't behind cover. I think he thought he was. I think he thought he was using this corner and that his body was out of the way. But this guy pushed not intentionally, he allowed him to push him out more and exposed him. I don't think he thought he was exposed. Oh, boy, what can I do here?
Speaker 1:Not a damn thing, sir.
Speaker 2:You guys ready, go ahead Now. Move in over the back. Ready, you're the officer.
Speaker 6:What You're the officer. He's up on the corner. Up on the corner. Make him move now. Move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move Move.
Speaker 1:What do you guys think? I mean, I think they handled the calls best they could with what they had. They were all game, they spread out, they had good coverage across the street. Now this is where Frank really comes in handy, because he is a tactical guy. He's a SWAT guy. I am not built like that. I don't have that mindset. I don't have the tactical training. I've got basics. I'm really good at the basics. But I know not to stand too close to the wall. I know to use cover versus concealment. I know these things that every basic cop I hope would know. But at the end of the day, when you've got a guy shooting in the open, I don't really know anything else to do other than get a long gun and put some fucking rounds down range that really is kind of it.
Speaker 4:I mean I I love, ideally you always want to have an l you know, l? L-shaped attack on someone. I mean, we like it in a room, um, you know, and a roadway is no different. So the guys that were moving across the street from car to car, bounding from cover to cover um to you know, to get that a good l-shaped um assault on this guy is probably the best thing.
Speaker 4:But I mean, you know, this is this is just a terrible scenario because that guy can just beat feet and and go in any direction.
Speaker 4:I mean he could have went. He's on the corner of a street, he could just just run away. He could run down the street, set up another ambush. I mean it's a bad scenario. But yeah, I mean I think the guys that were bounding from spot to spot on the opposite side of the street where they had that cover available, I think those are the guys that were really tactically minded, trying to get an angle on someone, on a suspect that might just have tunnel vision, on someone on a suspect that might just have tunnel vision, shooting at the guy with the rifle that he eventually hit at like 50, 40, 50 yards, which is pretty right, it's a pretty good shot. But hopefully you know that guy has, you know, suspect, has tunnel vision straight down at the guy and shooting at him with a rifle, and that you can get that. You know, get on the other side of that cover and and and stop that threat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm laughing because it never fails. One of the Marines in here, especially Marine Blood, overkill, nuke, strike. You can't nuke everything. Marine Blood Got to relax. Banny's got to go talk to a man about a donkey, so he'll be right back Calling an airstrike. Marine said I missed the video since I'm at work and I'm just listening. Oh, I'm sorry, buddy, at least A the important part is you're here. We appreciate that. Let's go to the next video here.
Speaker 1:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That thing just came in hot playing out of the gate. All right, let's, let's do this. Let's, let's get rid of big red here and let's share this screen. Share, oh, that's biggie size. All right, all right. All right, let's. Who are we looking for? All right. He said I'm on that vehicle, so he's got whoever it is he's looking for in sight. So he's got whoever it is he's looking for in sight. I'm going to guess stolen vehicle or an actor of some sort that they know exactly who they're looking for, because when I call out and I say I'm behind that vehicle, that's usually what I'm intending. Frank, you got anything different on that?
Speaker 4:Nope, no, it's definitely that. I mean, look at that. Out of those three cars that are in the frame, which one would you stop?
Speaker 1:All right, yeah, that. I mean, look at that, out of those three cars that are in a frame, which one would you stop?
Speaker 4:all right, yeah yeah, it's sad to say sometimes you can just criminally profile a vehicle, um, but on this, what's that? Frank, we, we profile vehicles all the time. Yeah, and it's. It's funny because it has absolutely nothing to do with who's driving, and I don't think the general public understands that we literally don't care what a driver looks like. We absolutely don't care.
Speaker 1:Can you tell who's driving right now?
Speaker 4:No, we look at vehicles. I don't, I don't, I don't care one iota about what a driver looks like. What I want to do is I want to look at a vehicle that looks like that and the driver of that vehicle doesn't have their life together yeah, they're not contributing to their 401k. Doesn't have their life together yeah, they're not contributing to their 401k. Um, they probably have dishes in the sink right now. Um, you know, they, they, they, their hands are probably dirty, you know, it's just that's, that's what drives that car.
Speaker 4:I gotcha Okay, so it's just things, things aren't in line. I got those three cars. That's the car I'm stopping.
Speaker 1:So um car, I'm stopping. So um on this, if I'm calling out a vehicle and I'm alone, I am not gonna light this car up until I have somebody with me, nope. So I'm gonna play it as chill as I can. I may even get in a opposite lane that this person's not in. I'm just gonna keep eyes on and not keep a lot of pressure on this car. That's what my play is gonna be, and I don't even know what the hell we're going after this car for. So that's me Rookie move, pulling up behind it, turning the lights and sirens on right away. So let's hope we don't see that.
Speaker 6:Copy that Wisconsin 28. Marine blood Adam Zebra, george 8-0-5-1. Adam Zebra marine blood 8051. Adam zebra, george 8051.
Speaker 1:Another move that I'm gonna do is, if I'm calling out the plate over the radio, you are not gonna see my mic up by my mouth if I'm directly behind the car. I don't want them because I'm I'm not going to give them any indicators.
Speaker 7:Steering wheel level. Yep Talking on it. Yep All right.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go to the comments real quick. Ryan said that's definitely profiling, Absolutely. So I want to be clear. There's a difference between racially profiling and criminally profiling. For instance, and I'll just give you an example, when I work is a entertainment style district. If I see a vehicle that is and I'm just going to give you kind of like the normal hot profile cars a Nissan Altima, a Dodge Charger those are the two really popular ones If I see a ratted up paper tag that's very hard to read, slight damage on the vehicle, like these are two types of vehicles that are highly used in crimes.
Speaker 4:Chrysler 300.
Speaker 1:Chrysler 300 is another one.
Speaker 4:Huge smuggling vehicle where we are.
Speaker 1:Does that mean I'm going to pull that car over immediately? No, no, I'm going to it car over immediately. No, no, I'm going to. It's going to draw my attention and I'm going to start to do my investigation. I'm going to run the tag If it's readable. If it's not readable, now I've got a reason to pull it over and look for more. It has nothing to do with them being poor. Um like uh Constance country girl news says who says because just because you have a shitty car doesn't mean you're poor.
Speaker 4:Absolutely not. There's a ton of people that go to work every day and don't spend their money on their cars because they have a family to support. That is yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean the same argument that you're making, that you're profiling that person's poor. Well, you're profiling by assuming that person's poor. They're not poor just because the car is poor. We're profiling based on the way that police work has worked on criminals. So again, it doesn't mean you're going to necessarily just pull that person over, just you got a shitty ass car.
Speaker 1:It's illegal, yeah, it's illegal, to pull over for that anyway, yeah, um, but what we see a lot of times, especially with paper tags, is fake paper tags. So if I can't read it, it's being intentionally. I don't know I'm trying to think of the word. They screw with it intentionally so you can't read it.
Speaker 1:It's altered or fictitious, yeah it's been messed with, so they hope a cop's like well shit, I can't run it because I can't read it, so they forget about it, which happens. So it's not that you're racially profiling. You're not profiling based on somebody's economic status. You're just going based on the way that crime is. You can't always judge a book by its cover. Most of the time, yes, but not always. Agreed, I definitely agree. Frank brought up dirty dishes and unwashed hands and lack of 401k. I think he's going more off of poor decisions than economic class. But to be fair to your argument, I could see how you could get to that. Um, so that's up to. I'm not gonna speak for frank.
Speaker 4:I'm not his daddy, so yeah I'll let him paper tags in new york. I didn't know that really interesting. We have them in in arizona and it's a huge um, it's a huge monopoly. Yeah, it's a huge smuggling thing because you'll get a car, paper, tag it and then transport in it or you could look and see a history of paper tags. All that stuff is all stuff that we look at and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then Ryan Holzer said while the drug dealer in the BMW flies by, that's another thing A lot of BMW Mercedes guys.
Speaker 7:I've got a lot of BMW Mercedes guys. I've got a lot of dope.
Speaker 1:Yes, I was going to say Mercedes like clean Mercedes are another one. If I see a clean all-white Mercedes slow rolling, it looks like it's dropped slightly, like that's an indicator. That's something I start to look into because that's a high-dollar car and a lot of people that get that high-dollar car. They don't drop those down. It's a luxury vehicle. So profiling a rich person, that's not as profiling a poor person. It's not as profiling racially. It's us looking at a vehicle based on the area that it's in. Because what if I see that car in a very low social economic area? Well, it stands out. Why is that super expensive car over here? So in the windows are going to be blacked out tenant, I can't see who's in it. So it that that's what the profiling goes into. That's the criminal profile side of things.
Speaker 7:Um which then, after you're getting that, just to add that you still have to find probable cause to stop that vehicle period. Yeah, I mean that's that's mean.
Speaker 7:That's what I want people to understand that are watching this. You know we may be profiling a vehicle and that may be a start on why we're looking at it. It has nothing to do with the people on the inside. But then you're going to find that probable cause and today's day and age. I know for the past. You know my last 10 years in law enforcement. I'd say 99.9% of my PC was caught on my dash cam and you articulate it as it was caused.
Speaker 1:Yeah, marine Blood said I have dirty dishes, my work causes my hands to be filthy and I have a 401k. And then Steve Wallace said profiling is discrimination and discrimination is wrong. Ron White, I remember that one. He said maybe he's delivering turkeys to the poor fair, but if I have a reason to pull that car over and investigate a little bit, that's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4:It's kind of cool, man, you make a traffic stop and you go up to that car and the guy's like, hey, man, I'm delivering turkeys to the poor and all of his stuff's taken care of. You know what you do? You say, man, good job doing the Lord's work. And you don't give that guy a ticket and you let him go about his way and everyone's happy.
Speaker 1:And let me see if there's any way I can help you. And then it turns out I help the guy, I give him money towards his cause for some more turkeys, and when the turkeys get delivered they end up finding out there's a kilo of Coke in each turkey that was smuggled. And now I'm a terrible cop. So I'm going through the comments here. Marine blood work gave me drive a Cadillac for a while, since my temp company vehicle was in the shop. Yeah, you got pulled over a lot in a Caddy, didn't you?
Speaker 1:Dude your job's awesome. Ain't nobody driving Caddys but pimps and drug dealers, bro, I'm just joking.
Speaker 4:I do like the CTS. It's a pretty good looking car, bro, isn't that?
Speaker 1:the one that's got the Corvette engine.
Speaker 4:No, you're talking about the.
Speaker 1:V, ctstsv. Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of. He's a nice man, I got outran by the CTV. Is that what it's called, or CTS?
Speaker 4:Whatever?
Speaker 1:it was.
Speaker 4:CTS.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one of those outran. It took off and I just laughed. I was like, ah, he's out. See ya, I'm not catching you in an Explorer. That's going to be my next car. Yeah, nice, we got an explorer. Yeah, what is it? The stv? Yeah, we're not even bothering. Yeah, um fi, y'all ain't helping yourselves. You should move on from the profiling talk no, we're not profiling people, that's.
Speaker 7:That's the big. Yeah, I'm not a big thing that people that does not belong in police work period. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Profiling people. We're explaining how criminal profiling helps, and whether or not you think I'm trying to help myself or not, I don't give a fuck. I'm telling you how I do police work and I'm telling you what we do, telling you why we do it how we do it, and the reason being is because I'm trying to be open and transparent and give accountability to what I do. And if that is not something you're into and you are into censoring people from talking about a topic, then maybe this ain't the place for you, because I'm not going to censor me myself, anybody on this panel, simply because you don't like the answer we give. We're going to give you the answers we have, and if you want to discuss that and use your words like an adult and explain to me why what we're saying isn't helping, then we'll go from there. So I'm sorry I had to use my big boy voice for you, but I damn well won't censor you and don't try to censor me.
Speaker 1:Anyway, as I was saying, andy Fletcher, like it or not, profiling is the best tool Ellie has, and Andy has been on our shit list this whole time, like trying to get on us and he's backing us up there, like it or not, profiling is the best tool Ellie has. We don't have a whole lot of tools. It's something we use. Mr Billfold, eric catches an IA case over his kilos in the turkey cavity smuggler Shit, they're on to me. You thought I was joking.
Speaker 7:At least it wasn't Ziggs.
Speaker 1:If you think your hood or race is over-profiled, don't let them ever find anything on you. Have papers, correct. It's not that hard.
Speaker 4:By the way, it's also the law. That's not a secret, it's just the law.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'm not trying to chase Mr Fi away, I'm just. This is the reason we do what we do, and when people come in and they don't like what they hear and they try to stop us from saying the things we're saying, I want you to argue with me and tell me why what I'm saying is wrong, because you may have a good point that I hadn't considered. And that is what we want. I want to be, I want those conversations. I am in a bubble. I fully admit that. I've been doing law enforcement 18 years. I've been in the military since 2006. I'm still in as a reservist now. That was active duty 06, 2010.
Speaker 1:Banning was in the Korean War, so we've been isolated in a way. You guys are the way that keeps us grounded. At least, that's what I'm hoping for. Keep me grounded. I want to know what y'all think. So if I am talking out of pocket and you're like, no, that's profiling, here's why? Well, give me an argument, let's, let's talk about it, figure it out. So let me keep going with this video. I'm going to call on a telemarketer. He just went the, ran the red light and fell off. He fell off the fly. He's on the plane. The reason for stopping is that we must look at that for the best. The evacuation is over, the flight is now in clear position, so I like this distance. So when we're chasing a car, we want to back off as far as we can. So if they make any sort of evasive moves, we've got plenty of reaction time and it also keeps less pressure on the bad guy. Frank, now you're a traffic dude. I love it.
Speaker 4:I love it, I love it. I like having enough. The last thing you want to do is have someone make a turn and you go past it. Oh, that's embarrassing.
Speaker 1:You just turn your lights and sirens off and you're like just continue.
Speaker 4:I didn't see what I thought I seen. I'm out. Let's go here.
Speaker 1:I like that this guy called it out exactly where the accident happened.
Speaker 6:So now we can start getting EMS to the area. While we stay in our car, we don't un-ass and we keep chasing the guy that's running on foot.
Speaker 1:Perfect. He's calling out exactly what this guy's wearing. He called out the brand. He said Under Armour, I think he said Blue. Hoodie's wearing a. I think he said blue hoodie blue whatever under armor, like it does not get any better as far as descriptions go um, and look at, look at the date on this.
Speaker 7:This is just a few days ago and, if I'm not mistaken, y'all oh god, it was four days ago yeah, look at the background.
Speaker 1:Do you see where my mouse is? Do you see where he's running the school?
Speaker 7:No Another PD or a substation.
Speaker 1:Is that a PD? It's a police substation he's running at. He's running right in. I'm in danger. Hey Blue Jeans, going back to the front, he turned tail, ran the opposite way. He knew Get out of my way, stay in your vehicles, boys. You're going to get tired. I can't be in my car here. No, you can't. You'll be high centered, for sure. Look at your boy. He's getting ready to run out of gas. Not not the real gas, like physical gas. Look, they're just going to stay in their cars. I love it.
Speaker 6:Time to un-ass. Stop, okay, please stop stop okay.
Speaker 1:I am not upset with the idea of the taser only because, from the videos that we've seen, his hands have been empty and it appears that they're empty now and that dude is not getting over that barbed wire fence, because it's not only barbed, it's angled out.
Speaker 7:I think a taser deployment. If he tries it's gonna be less damage on that body than what that barbed wire would be 100 percent.
Speaker 1:Um, absolutely, uh, oh shoot. I don't know why this turned green, but constitution country girl became a member level six donuts. I don't know why this turned green, but Constitutional Country Girl became a member level six donuts. I don't even know what that means. That's how little I know about our own YouTube channel right now. So, thank you, I'm just going to give a shout-out to her for becoming a member. Yeah. Very cool. Thank you very much Thank you very much.
Speaker 4:Get out of here.
Speaker 6:Get out of here.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much Relax, relax, relax.
Speaker 6:Relax your arm.
Speaker 1:I like that they took their voices from up here to now. We're trying to give very specific fine motor skill requests Relax your arm, relax your arm. Like these are things that when you're trying to bring somebody down so they didn't stay amped up, so that's very cool on their part. Oh shit, let's give another shout out here. Tim became a member, level one donor. I'm really pumped about these levels. I don't know what they mean. I hope they are either. Yeah, I got to figure out my own page apparently, so our page.
Speaker 4:By the way, this is in Texas.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, this is that.
Speaker 7:patches white settlement pd and that's it's a great department. I mean that they have a a very motivating chief that tries to get top of the line technology for their officers, yep, so tim shout out to you brother, thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Um, she said thank you, guys for being honest content. You're the first channel I've ever subscribed to. Holy shit, that's awesome. You guys don't know. Listen, you don't know how motivating that is for a guy like me that constantly second guesses are we doing the right thing? Like, is this, is this working? Is this something that works? Um, and I know the evidence of the page continually growing should be enough for me, but I'm always like damn, did I, did I say something wrong that day? That's just going to turn everybody off and be like no, he was full of shit. Like that's, that's always my worry. Like, just talking about the profile, the criminal profiling thing, like I can tell you honestly in my head, like, as I'm talking about, I'm like fuck, is this going to be the thing that turns everybody off? I'm trying to be honest with you and tell you how I do the job, but is that going to be what makes you say no, fuck this guy, he shouldn't be doing that. And then I I lose whatever momentum I have, like that sucks.
Speaker 7:So go ahead banning's point of view. Ever since I've been joining you on this and then officially becoming a small part of this being the other half, I've gotten literally hundreds of LinkedIn messages thanking us, meaning Two Cops, one Donut from officers across the country that realized that they were not getting enough training at their department due to budget constraints or whatever, and then they were taking the money out of their own pocket to either go get some jujitsu driver training to proper interview techniques that was out of the scope of what their department offered, based on Of what we were saying on videos you know this department didn't have enough training, this and this and then they're like you know what I need to address my own training and to have that I know that we're doing. If officers are going out to seek more training because of what we're doing, then that's great. If we've explained maybe to one person that had a bad encounter of what the true 99 percentile of what law enforcement is across the country, then we've done our job. So that's a bad excuse on it.
Speaker 1:Appreciate it, Appreciate it. And then we get guys like Frank on here who helps support the show, which Frank, by the way, I have two things at my desk Frank's badge that he bought to support our show. So this is his.
Speaker 1:It's even got his little paper tag on the back so I don't accidentally give it to somebody else and then I only keep. If you guys know me, I've been a cop a long time and military collect patches. It's just kind of a cultural thing. I've only got one desk on my or only one patch on my desk. I do only have one desk and I've only got one patch on my desk and that is Fridays with Frank on the, the mountain of right, just like the one on his chest, because he's my boy and I met him in person really is a good, genuine dude.
Speaker 1:so make sure you guys check out fridays with frank stuff as well as ours. But um, oh, somebody broke down, so it says um, harrison brock said one donut equals three, 99 a month, six donuts equals six, 99 a month and a Baker's does. I remember typing that out, but I had no idea what I was typing out for.
Speaker 1:I don't think I have there's default, there's default things on there. So it was like you must enter a title here. So I was like, all right, enter a thing here, enter a thing here. So I entered those in. I didn't know that it had dollars amounts attached to it. That's awesome. So, holy shit, that's really cool. I'm super. It makes me super excited.
Speaker 4:I'm trying to figure out how to get into that.
Speaker 1:No, fuck you, Frank. This is mine. You don't get this one.
Speaker 4:No, I'm on yours. I am on your page right now. Oh, you're on mine You're going to subscribe to mine.
Speaker 1:Oh my boy. Okay, I take that back. I digress. It's got three tiers, mr Balefold. Three tiers, okay, that's awesome. Tim said my whole reason for doing all this is to help bridge the gap between cops and the people and hold governments accountable. I like it, damn right.
Speaker 4:That needs to happen.
Speaker 1:As it should be. I think that is our job as cops is to hold our own department accountable, damn right. I'm really big into real-time crime centers and the reason I am is because I see the potential for it to do really good police work, to really help catch bad guys, keep citizens safe and keep cops safe. But I see a real potential for overreach. So I am trying to. Everybody's got a sword to fall on, everybody's got a cause, because me in police work my newest cause is to get into the real-time crime center scene and make sure that we are not overstepping using such a great tool. So I digress from that. Let me get. Let's get back to the videos. What everybody really wants to see. They don't want to hear me talk on a fucking pedestal With my awesome Retro Rifle shirt.
Speaker 1:Who is not a sponsor? Yet you retro rifle notice me because I love their products went with yellow. You can see the sniper rifle on there. I think it's got barretts on this one. Yep, yeah, buddy, I like it. Um, I like my hawaiian shirts with guns guys. All right, let me get to sharing the screen. Share the screen biggie size. All right, here we go. Shouldn't be too much more to this one 104 taser deployed.
Speaker 1:We got one in custody again, that goes to transparency, right there. They said that they deployed their taser. That's public records on the radio. Now they know to start sending ems. The medical um and their supervisor should be in route. All of that stuff. Um, oh shit, we got another one. Y'all dang what is going on tonight. We don't even have that many people on, like we usually do. And now harrison brock. So shout out to harrison brock. He became a member with the baker's dozen, and now I understand what the Baker's Dozen means. He basically got the highest tier package, harrison.
Speaker 7:Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. Like I said earlier, there's members seeing numbers, seeing stats, seeing downloads. That all is affirmation that we are on the right path, that we are on the right path. And then when you actually get somebody to reach into their pocket to support you, it just speaks in a way that nothing else does. You know Frank with his. You know I kind of learned a little bit from Frank when he started up his, you know, getting his patches for what he does and whatnot, and Frank does everything himself. And, um, frank does everything himself, puts all the products out, mails all the products. So anytime you order something from Frank, you're getting a piece of Frank.
Speaker 4:My hands, my hands have touched everything. Right now I'm out of town, um, so my sister's actually taking care of everything right now, um, to make sure that people are getting stuff, you know, by christmas time, because I'm going to be, uh, be, out of town for a little bit. Obviously I'm not in my normal backdrop right now, so, uh, but yeah, so I mean, even even right now, it's, it's a, it's a family business. I mean, she's, she's in the house and and, uh, you know, I'm filming stuff for for inventory and making sure she has inventory and she's filling orders. Uh, she filled orders and sent stuff today. So if you placed an order today, it was filled by my baby sister and, yep, and it's, it's in the mail right now. So it's, uh, it's kind of a family business, it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1:You got any pictures of your sister uh, yeah, somewhere, of course I did.
Speaker 4:She's my baby sister you ruined my joke.
Speaker 1:You're supposed to say no and I'm like you want to see some yeah, I got him.
Speaker 4:That's why I knew that.
Speaker 1:I knew where that was going mr billfold gifted a membership, a level one membership. I who did you gift a membership to? Uh oh, did you gift your membership to ryan, that's awesome is that what that is.
Speaker 1:That's Because he said he received a membership gift. So shout out to Ryan, shout out to Mr Billfold for passing it forward. I like that. Marine Blood's like damn it, why not me? That's awesome. Constitutional Country Girl said we want to keep you guys around. I'm just going to callal Country Girl said we want to keep you guys around. I'm going to call you Country Girl for short. I appreciate it. Oh my god, seriously, I'm an easy crier. Guys, don't think that I'm being super. Oh, he's so emotional right now. No, I cry easy. That's just how I am. That's why I have Banning Banning's my strong side. I'm a weak man. I'll be there in 30 minutes to come put you to sleep again. It's okay. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1:Youtube gifted subs are random. Oh, I didn't know that YouTube chose folks. I wasn't showing favoritism. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, well, that sucks, because what if you did want to gift it to, like a family member? You're like hey, let me get your membership should be able to do that. He says he needs emojis. Now I don't even know what the? Oh, I know what he's talking about. Like, like, yeah, you can. I saw those options, guys, trust me. I just don't know how to do all that shit yet I'm learning. Just I just broke, broke through, so give me time.
Speaker 1:It's actually fun because there's a lot of you that are in the comments that have been there since I got all this going. You know, steve Wallace is one of the. He's been. He's made every single live I've ever done. I don't think he's ever missed one. So it's fun for me to see you guys watch me figure this shit out. I'm like, oh, they knew. When I was really dumb and I didn't know how to do this shit, you had to explain to me my own fucking YouTube channel. How embarrassing is that? Oh jeez.
Speaker 1:Just know that any of these donations that come in, they go directly into the show. They don't go into my pocket. They don't go for new retro rifle shirts. They don't go to any of that. They go for equipment, which I think I'm good on, equipment for right now. There's some things that I'd like to see down the road, but I don't think I need anything. I need to get banning equipment, I need to get matt. I need to get likening equipment. I need to get Matt. I need to get like. So now I got to start getting all these guys that just jumped under our umbrella. Start getting those guys equipment so they can put out their content better for y'all, cause I know you get tired of hearing me, so that's the exciting part. Um, I'd love to give my fellow devil dog one.
Speaker 1:Eric, you got to step out of the customer emojis. Step up out, customer emojis. This shit is less than basic, I guess. Yeah, I guess I'll have to figure it out. I'll do that after the next video. I'll figure that out. Let's share this tab instead. My cord was touching my ankle, right between my sock and my pant leg and I thought I had a bug on me. Freaked me out. All right, you guys ready, ready to take a look? All right, let's see what we got hey, he's on the roof the roof.
Speaker 4:Hey, get down here, show your hands or I'm gonna come up there and grab you.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay. So I'm gonna assume we're going after some sort of burglar or somebody trying to evade cops, and we've see them.
Speaker 4:What do you got, frank? I don't it's. This is somewhere back East and I love it. The voice the the. I love it. I love the accent. Um, yeah, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't have a. I just read the title, so I kind of like where this is going.
Speaker 1:I think it's holiday appropriate. I didn't read it.
Speaker 2:So I'm trying to see where it goes.
Speaker 6:Hey, somebody ran, somebody ran. Was that him? Yeah?
Speaker 1:That came out like Batman. That was a cape crusader. I swear he had a cape on. Was that just me? Could have been Santa claus, let me. I'm gonna go back, just like I swear he had a cape. All right, from here I'm gonna put out a description, not somebody ran banning same absolutely same. Can't put something out there, yeah whatever, whatever subject, I'm going to put out a description, not somebody ran Banning Same.
Speaker 7:Absolutely same. Gotta put something out there. Yeah, you gotta put a description.
Speaker 4:Whatever subject dressed in all dark clothing, something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which direction the Jew?
Speaker 6:What's up, I was walking my dog.
Speaker 2:A little while ago I heard some screaming. I looked up and that back house. A guy went down. Yeah, he went down the chimney. He's in the chimney. He's in the chimney. Hey, he's in the chimney. What chimney, what chimney? That house in the chimney. He went in. David said he went in the chimney one of them. How did he do?
Speaker 1:that I don't know Window. They must have smashed. See that window over there. All right, if I got somebody in a chimney Time for a letter trick, yep, I'm going to call FD, yep, yep. And.
Speaker 4:We got to wait those guys out. They got to. Yeah, honestly, I'm probably going to give SWAT the opportunity.
Speaker 1:I'm going to give SWAT the opportunity. I'm going to let them know. I'm going to say, hey, I got a barricaded person. Air quotes. We're coming out for that you will, if it's the holidays and you all need Christmas money.
Speaker 7:I think they're subject. They're subject.
Speaker 4:It might be a little heated. Yeah, it's going to be medium rare by the time you get in there, right?
Speaker 1:Oh man, ca caught in the chimney. I mean it's definitely ward said. Well, now this is a hot call. Oh man, let's keep going here. I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna have fun with this one. If I'm on scene, I'm gonna have fun this one. Did you ask what this guy's wearing?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It looks like your ugly-ass deputy shit Whoa.
Speaker 4:Hey, okay.
Speaker 1:Banning. You've been both, sir. Yeah, yeah. What's better looking, the police municipal blues or Depends on the environment.
Speaker 4:No, no, it's a rural environment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, listen, I didn't ask what's more comfortable, because I already know the answer to that. One Depends on the environment.
Speaker 1:What looks better. You guys in the comments, what do you think looks better? Deputy uniform or a city cop uniform? I like mine because I get to wear a cowboy hat. All right, each one of us. I'll tell you mine first and you go with yours. As I look over and, knowing he's stuck in the chimney, I'm gonna. My first comment's gonna be what you're thinking about down there. That's what I'm gonna say. What would you say, frank?
Speaker 4:um, you're 15 days early to play santa that's so much better than mine.
Speaker 1:Oh, banning. What are you gonna say to him?
Speaker 7:I'm just waiting for mary poppins to start singing.
Speaker 1:Man oh no what was the chimney song? I remember that. What was the guy was that?
Speaker 7:it was pretty I think it was.
Speaker 1:I think it was a dick van dyke that was in that, I can't remember. Yeah, anyway, please don't let me down. You've got to have a clever comment here because I'm not. I'm not coming over and talking into that chimney like a hard ass. I've got it.
Speaker 4:I've got some smart ass comment coming right now I hope it's like hey, how you doing down there, yeah, yeah yeah, what you do now stupid.
Speaker 6:You're an idiot. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's perfect. I knew he wouldn't let me down.
Speaker 4:I hope he's looking at the bottom of someone's perfect. I knew he wouldn't let me down. I hope he's looking at the bottom of someone's feet.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. Did he go feet first, or did he go?
Speaker 4:head first. I'm curious about it.
Speaker 1:You're an idiot, you know that right. Hello, let's go back. I got it, I love it. Oh, like Nostradamus on that, I knew something bad was coming.
Speaker 6:You're an idiot. Get up, show us your hand right now. Show us your hand.
Speaker 1:Sir, I can't, I can't. What do you expect him to do? Show me your hands. Talk about a fatal funnel. Holy shit, uh love it show us your hands tell them to send rescue. That's how that song went. Mr billfold nailed it chim chiminy, chim chim, chim, chim roo. I remember that now. Oh, that was the greatest. That was like one of my favorite parts of that movie. Alright, let's keep going. Are you? Stuck. Why are you asking questions? You know the answer to you stuck. Nope, I thought I'd hang out. Wait for y'all.
Speaker 1:Are you stuck? Oh, he's stuck like Chuck bro, he ain't going anywhere when you going?
Speaker 6:Nowhere You're going, nowhere Can you breathe fine.
Speaker 1:I got you for five minutes, Five minutes of playtime. What movie is that from? Oh hell. Damn that guy's way down there Fucking Spider-Man. Remember Macho man was in the thing and he's fighting Bonesaw. Come on now and I'm talking Tobey Maguire Spider-Man, by the way, yeah, he is. That is every bit of six to eight feet down in that thing. That's a good chimney too. It's pretty clean. Yeah, might not get used.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, I'm going to take the size.
Speaker 1:There's FD. I'm 109 pounds, you pull me up, I'm in there he said I'm 109 pounds, Pull me up to get me out of here.
Speaker 6:That's a lot, nah pounds. Pull me up to get me out, I'm telling this joke.
Speaker 2:Don't look up all right buddy, his hip, and your can, and your can.
Speaker 6:So it's looking a little higher, that's too straight up.
Speaker 2:Ah, ah, ah, my leg there you go.
Speaker 1:Firefighter throwing shade at him. There you go. Good job, kid. Mr Billfold said typical Popo's harassing a lawful chimney sweep. Fair play, sir, fair play. Look at the firefighters. Arrest this guy. That's awesome. We got one video. Oh no, that's Frank's video. Never mind, that was it. That's awesome. We got one video. Oh no, that's frank's video. Never mind, that was it. That's all we got tonight. That's all I got pulled up. Stop sharing. Um, so yeah, we got. I mean, we got time to sit here and chat. So if you guys got topics or anything you want to hit, don't bring up qualified immunity. I told you guys I got a good episode for that coming up where I want experts to come on and be able to talk on both sides. So please, I understand you guys want to get into qualified immunity, but if you it's a rabbit hole, man.
Speaker 1:It's a rabbit hole, yeah, and if you get me talking about it, I'm an idiot and I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know. I kind of understand what it does and I kind of don't understand what it does.
Speaker 4:Do you guys?
Speaker 1:have it in Texas. You have it because of the Supreme Court. Sir, what do you mean?
Speaker 4:Well, but some states don't.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's not true. Everybody has it. Well, everybody has it. But some states that's how much Like New York City, their city council passed that they're not having. Yeah, so it doesn't matter what they come up with, as long as the Supreme Court still has the ruling. That's going to be the, it's going to supersede anything. So and that's my understanding about it and I can't get into an argument about it.
Speaker 4:We need more information, we need an expert.
Speaker 1:That's just what an expert told me, you should have people on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know Exactly. So I'm going to have our friend from Force Science banning. I'm blanking Vaughn. Vaughn has stepped up to the plate to want to be that guy, but he does want time to prep and get his expertise. And then I found a guy from Twitter who and I told you, guys, I always open up to trolls or people that just have a different mindset and they want to. They have the balls to come on here and and and speak their mind. I'm all for that. I don't want an echo chamber.
Speaker 1:So I have a guy from Tik TOK or, I'm sorry, twitter X that that uh wants to come on and debate qualified immunity with him. And from everything I've talked to him, guys, he's not some like nut job. He seems to know his shit, uh. So I'm gonna let them talk about it and go back and forth. Well, you don't want me doing it. I'm just gonna give you my perspective and try to chime in from both sides, to play devil's advocate when I can. So we're going to do that. And then the crowd, the followers on here they have reached out or they are going to reach out through Matt, to this New Jersey auditor guy. I think it's New Jersey, he's really popular out there.
Speaker 4:I've heard I think it's new york- maybe it's long island, yes, long island every time I see it on there I'm like oh, it's long out. I know nothing about it, I just keep seeing the name yeah, um, I've seen his videos.
Speaker 1:I'm not real familiar with him, but I know that he knows his shit, he's on top of his game and he wins a lot of lawsuits. So I want to have him on and hear from an auditor's perspective, because I've heard cops. Do you guys have?
Speaker 4:them? Do you have them in Fort Worth oh?
Speaker 1:yeah.
Speaker 4:In Dallas.
Speaker 1:Fort Worth and all of the North DFW area. Yes, they're all over in Texas, sir.
Speaker 4:We've got them also and, uh, it's yeah, frank uh, yes, no confrontational.
Speaker 4:And uh, I'm telling you right now, those dudes know the law better than most cops, right, it is unbelievable how knowledgeable and articulate they are.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and, like you said, that guy wins lawsuits. There are cops who, whether they're driven by ego, or they're which is usual, right, which is usual, or they're just driven by pure ignorance of the law or a misinterpretation of the law or lack of knowledge. But Cops are getting in trouble by people that are absolutely legally pushing the boundaries but staying in the legal boundaries, right, and that are in cops because their ego is. You know, someone's standing on the sidewalk and cop walks up and say, man, let me see your, let me see your driver's license. You know, let me see your ID. Right, legally does not have to provide that ID. And then the cop hooks them like, hooks them like hey, man, you got to know that just because someone says no to you, they can say no, it's absolutely legal unless you have a legal right. Doesn't apply during traffic stops, which is why I'm you know, it makes it easier for me. But if you're doing right central contact, man, you just can't be, walking up to people you know.
Speaker 4:So it's interesting. But those guys, I'm telling you you get getting a good one who's really articulate and well-informed is uh, it's, it's good.
Speaker 1:What has been great about first amendment auditors and second amendment auditors is they have created such great training for police. They have exposed a huge gap in training and I think that those auditors, police they have exposed a huge gap in training, huge gap. I think that those auditors that that was their goal. That's the ones that I love. I'm like kudos to you.
Speaker 1:You did your research, you know your shit. You realized there was a gap and you exposed it because it wasn't being. That gap wasn't being filled and it needed to be so, because you had officers, either intentionally or unintentionally going out and violating people's rights. Well, now that you've exposed it, that has been much more limited. However, as you have probably seen on a lot of the videos I tag you in, frank, that I put out, there's still a lot of videos of cops doing that stupid shit. I'm like how is it in 2024, at the end of it that we still have cops demanding ID because they were called to the scene? I got a call out here, so I have a right to ID you. The fuck you do? Absolutely not. That's not how that works. Not, that's not how that works, but that's how everything is there's.
Speaker 4:there's a, you know, ego is the enemy is, you know, and a lot of people talk about it and it's books are written about it and you know the. The tagline on on my email is subordinate your ego. Um, because it is, it leads officers down the road of. You can't say no to me, and that's not true. People could say no to us all the time and we would be. We would be remiss as as law enforcement officers and banning and I as constitutionally mandated law enforcement officers not you, because you're a city cop, not yet Wear that, your blue uniform. It's the last thing that we want to do is trample on people's constitutional rights. I mean, that's not worth their ado. And trampling on someone's constitutional rights because your ego got involved means that you probably need some training and if not, you need to find a different occupation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's see. I, uh, I have the night. He said. You know, I used to think Frank was just just the was just a disingenuous asshole on his stops, but I think I figured something out. He comes up with smiles and stuff, but sometimes it appears fake, or forced?
Speaker 4:yeah, and it's not. I'm a genuinely smiley guy. I smile by nature. I can't help it I like it.
Speaker 1:I think too frank and you can banning. You can jump on this as well. I tend to notice the, the humor or the of policing that's the best way I can put it when. I'll give you an example. I just had a call two days ago three days ago three days ago because I got to go to work tomorrow, so three days ago of a dude knocking, banging on the verizon uh cellular store window and um exposing himself. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So as I get the call, as I see it on the sheet, I was real close. Now I'm the supervisor. I'm not supposed to take the call, but I was around the corner. So for me, I'm like this will be fun. Like I'm already smiling, I like, I like like this shit cracks me up. I'm like, all right, let's go handle. You know, crazy guy, cause it isn't a guy going out there for sexual gratification, it's a nutso dude like that. You get used to doing this stuff for so long. So I'm like, all right, let me go see what's going on. So I get over there and sure shit not. So do well, my, my officers aren't gonna let me take the call. So like, give me that sheet, I'm not gonna let the sergeant. You know, I'll take that from the serge.
Speaker 1:So, um, they show up and I'm I don't even address the guy, I just go straight into the store because he's banging on the window and he's pulling on his pants. He's not exposing himself, um, but I could see how they were getting that impression because he was, he was threatening to show the stuff. But as, uh, I go inside and I go in and ask specifically real quick, I need to know if I have an offense, constitutionally minded, why do I need to make contact with this guy for knocking on the window? I don't. Yet let me go see if I can help. Hey, did this guy show his wiener and do anything? No, he's just pounding on the door real loud and and swearing, okay, being disorderly, being disorderly. So I got little kids inside and he's swearing, okay.
Speaker 4:Being disorderly.
Speaker 1:Being disorderly. So I got little kids inside and he's swearing and I'm like all right, so we got some offensive language if they choose to say that it offended them. I didn't ask him if it offended them.
Speaker 4:You want to be a victim.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't ask him if they want to be a victim yet. So now let's go outside. Well, now both of my officers are out there talking and they're younger officers and they're they're one. Sarge is on scene. So they're trying to be professional and to their patients level is way different than mine. They want this guy to just get beat feet and get out of there, but they're more than willing to snatch him up and take him to jail to show Sarge like hey, we're going to fucking do this work, work me.
Speaker 1:I want to have a conversation with the guy. Like dude, what are you doing? Like so they're both trying to. I'm like listen one at a time. Like you guys can't both talk to him. Like one person talk, one person go run information. So I kind of police them a little bit because I want to deal with the guy. It's my, my sheet. They jumped my sheet.
Speaker 1:So, um, I start talking hey, man, what's what's going on? He's he's talking to eight different people that aren't there. So I'm like hey, real quick. Like can you talk? I know you're talking to these guys, which didn't exist. And I'm like can you, can you talk to me? And he looks at me and he's like, what can I do you for? I was like the best response I could expect, what can I do you for? And so I was like, hey, man, can you not bother these people? And knock on the window. And he's like, well, they got these things and they're probing and they're going to check my head Because it's a Verizon store, go figure. So they're looking into his head store, go figure, so they're looking into his head.
Speaker 1:But I enjoy listening to the mindset of somebody that's going through the shit they're going through. I want to understand where their mind was at. So, if you took just a few seconds to break that down, he thought the Verizon store was listening to his thoughts. And I'm like, okay, well, the best way we can deal with that is getting out of here and getting away from them. The farther you get away from this place, the less they can deal and listen to your head.
Speaker 1:And I was able to reason with this guy within a few minutes. I was entertained because it was fun for me, not at his expense, I wasn't doing anything that made him feel bad about himself but for me it's like front row tickets to the best show on earth and I really had fun on a short seven 10-minute call. That's really what that was. It wasn't a report that needed to be done. Nobody was actually a victim, and this guy was able to. It's not illegal to be crazy, so I let him go be crazy somewhere else. So that was 5G mind control. There's people that think that's a thing. Uh, listen, I know I'm not getting away from cell phones no matter where I go, so I'm just accepted that the, the 5g is just gonna be there. Uh, foul language is not criminal act. Regardless of how rude, it is Incorrect.
Speaker 4:That is not correct.
Speaker 1:It depends on your state, mr Billfold. In Texas, foul language can be viewed as offensive language, and offensive language as long as you have a person willing to be a victim and say that language offended me and they're willing to sign the citation for that.
Speaker 7:It's a ticket, so it is an offense, and to add to that, the officer themselves know that they're not going to be offended by that. It's somebody else that's calling, and then we are a complete neutral party on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have-. Especially children, yeah, around children and stuff like that. Us as police cannot be the offended party and I can't solicit offense, so to speak. I can't go up to them and be like this language offended you, right, and hold a ticket book up like I'm about to write on it and they're like, oh, okay, so I can get a ticket to that guy, like that's a policy thing, we're not supposed to do that. But yeah, offensive language in certain states, but there's other states that I would assume they don't have that.
Speaker 4:Arizona is one of them also, where you could go into that store and ask the patrons, especially a mother with a child. You know, hey, what did he say? Well, he said A, b and C Are A, b and C, you know, is that is that language you would typically use around your child. You know, you could, you could ask those qualifying questions and ask them if they're, if they're willing to be a victim for that crime.
Speaker 1:Right. So they said that will not hold up in Supreme Court of the United States case law. I, I would imagine you're right.
Speaker 7:I've never written it and he's speaking under the First Amendment and I totally get that. 100% freedom of speech. We're 100% here to protect that. But with state laws and local laws, if somebody calls non-emergency or emergency number and we go there, we must act on those state and local laws and then the courts will determine.
Speaker 4:Right, that's not our job. To make the determination, like I don't arrest people thinking is the Supreme Court, does this meet the threshold for a crime in my state, based on the laws that I know and how they're written, right? What happens with lawyer? Oh, that case is going to get pled downer. That's not my problem. That's not a frank problem. That's a prosecutor problem. That's not a Frank problem, that's a prosecutor problem. That's a you know, that's a public defender problem. That's a judge problem. It probably calls exists and there's a victim. There's a victim and we don't arrest the person for that. That victim is almost victimized again because they've been victimized by this person.
Speaker 1:And then by this person and then their problem isn't handled by us and that's not right and and part of that is too is like it would be like somebody getting their car broken into and and, um, their car, their phone charger got stolen, like in my eyes. I'm like, well, fuck, I'm not. What am I gonna do? Like you know, I can't. I have to file that charge. There's nothing I can do about that because I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1:So, just like the offensive language, it is a crime where I am at. I have nothing to do with it. I have to file it based on the victim. I have no discretion. There's nothing I can do to get out of that. Just like if I run across the wanted felon, there's nothing I can do to get out of that. Just like if I run across the wanted felon, there's nothing I can do to let that person go. They are now my responsibility because if I don't, now I've got a failure to act. Now I'm getting fired, probably charged because I didn't bring somebody in front of a judge like I am mandated to do. That is a shell. That is a big deal. Can't let felons go.
Speaker 4:That's what a warrant is. It's an order from a judge. So you know right, you're telling that judge. I, I know more than you. You know this person doesn't need to go to jail and that's not correct. Yeah, copy charged with uh, I have no idea what usc is, because it's federal court code and we don't do that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I don't really have much to do with that. I am going to look it up though.
Speaker 4:United States could. Yeah, if the arrests somewhere over the next week.
Speaker 1:So 18 USC 242. Okay, let me see here Deprivation of rights. Let me share the screen. This is what's fun.
Speaker 4:They give a shit.
Speaker 1:You get to look it up. Whoever, under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom, willfully subjects any person in a state, territory, commonwealth, possession or district to the deprivation of any rights, privileges or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishment pains, penalties on account of such a person being an alien or by reason of his color race are prescribed for punishment of citizens shall be fined under this title. So I think I can stop there, because you are basing what you're doing on a person being an alien. That's a weird way to put it. Or their color or race shall be fine, okay, uh in prisons for one year or both.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't think that that applies to when we're called to disorderly conduct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they're not being punished based on their race, Really being an alien.
Speaker 4:What the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 1:um, et right, are they saying if you're just not local, if you're not from the country? I guess yeah, um, that's just a weird way to put it. And then, uh, or by reasons of color or race, deprivation of rights under the color of law, which I get what you're saying. We're wearing the uniform, so we are the color of law, so I understand that. But I don't think simply because by reasons. And what it's saying because of a person is who they are, so you're not writing them a ticket for swearing because of who they are. You write them a ticket for swearing because they used offensive language against another person. Had nothing to do with what they did to me, so I'm not writing them up for that. And then, by reasons of their color, I'm not writing them up, for that has nothing to do with what their color is, is it's because they swore in front of another person and that person is the victim, and then it's not because of their race.
Speaker 1:So somebody said wrong code. Did I read the wrong one? Shit, it says 18242. It's gotta be true. It's on the internet, right? Yeah, I got it from the deprivation, yeah 18242.
Speaker 7:It's got to be true. It's on the internet.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I got it from the deprivation. Yeah, 18242. Deprivation of rights under color of law. Personally, I will be depressed. Constitution, section, color of law access. I'm reading this so I apologize if I get quiet. Oh, okay, this looks different. So let me. Somebody else said you're under the right code. I'm trying to figure out a way to make this bigger.
Speaker 4:So while you're reading that, I pulled up the disorderly conduct statute for Arizona and 13-2904.3. It's actually A3. It says uses abusive or offensive language or gestures to any person present in the manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation by such person. So take that and that is straight verbiage from Arizona revised statutes. That's Arizona law. How is that covered by First Amendment? I think you can say lots of things, but if you are using abusive or offensive language or gestures, so that's how Arizona law reads under our disorderly conduct statute.
Speaker 1:Okay, this does have, and I don't know how accurate. Whatever this is, it looks like it's a gov so it's got to be somewhat accurate. It says, for the purpose of section 242, let me read this Okay, title 18, it's a crime for a person acting under the color of law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States. So we're talking about First Amendment right which is protected by the Constitution. Acts under color of law includes acts not only done by federal, state or local officials within their lawful authority that is, us but also acts done beyond the bounds of that official's lawful authority, if the acts are done while official is purporting to or pretending to act in the performance of his or her duties. Okay, person acting under color law within the meaning of this statute include police officers, prison guards and other law enforcement officials, as well as judges, care providers in public health facilities.
Speaker 1:It is not necessary that the crime be motivated by animus towards race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familiar status or national origin of the victim. That's an important sentence. So they may have a point the way I read that that specific line there is. It is not necessary that the crime is motivated by any of that. Maybe they have a point I don't know this would be a good thing to bring. They have a point I don't know this would be a good thing to bring up to a prosecutor.
Speaker 7:I think it'd be a good one to bring up with Don as well. I think we can add that in that episode.
Speaker 4:I was just thinking that you talk about qualified immunity.
Speaker 7:And then get the ex-guy, because he probably has expertise in this as well, and get both opinions out there, just to where everybody can see it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if my words provoke you to violence, you are weak. I agree, I do not disagree with that. I agree with you, sir, words are words and that's why I can tell you I've never written that offensive language. I've never written it. Why? Because I try to handle things at the lowest level. If I can try to talk you out of that, in a sense, I'm going to. It's kind of the First Amendment, right? I mean, do you want to be offended? Do you want to be a weak little bitch? No, I don't say that, I'm just kidding. I wouldn't say that little bitch. No, I don't say that. Uh, I'm just kidding. I wouldn't say that um, or would I uh. But yeah, uh, yeah, the words. I, I'm with you guys. I just want you to understand that I'm with you.
Speaker 1:I think that's stupid. I don't think you should be able to write somebody a ticket for the words they're using, like you, as a parent, if parent, if it's around your kids, that's the world Can't shelter them from everything. That's just me, frank. You don't have any kids that you know about, right? We just had that conversation. There's a lot of little bastards of the north running around out there, in there. Come on now, that's not true. Go that shit eating grin. Oh fuck. Well, just a smiley guy man. Uh-huh. Well, we are at a little over three hours guys. Um, we've got all our videos done. I think we've brought up some good stuff. Uh, oh, I have the night. He had a long response here. I don't want to let that go to waste. Um, I get that. You say we don't deal with federal code. However, you swore an oath to use constitution in the us and the state constitution, so I think learning this stuff is very important to the performance of duty I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree with you Absolutely what we're saying when we say we don't deal with that, is we or we don't know it, whatever, because we don't deal with it regularly. So when you, if you expect us to know it off the top of our head, that's just not going to happen. We know things like I can tell you all the elements of a, a burglary right now. I can tell you all the elements of um. You know a homicide versus an assault versus aggravated assault, versus like. I know those things because I deal with them every single week bmvs same thing, you know what I don't deal with is somebody violating Section 242 of Title 18.
Speaker 1:That doesn't fucking happen.
Speaker 4:It's not in our job, we don't deal with it. Even if someone violated it, it wouldn't come to us, it would go on the federal side.
Speaker 1:So it's not even anything that we deal with, and that's where the checks and balances come into play. So I understand where you're at when you're like well the cops, you swore to uphold the Constitution, well, we did. But if we don't know, like I know freedom of speech. However, I also know that I don't have a choice in certain things when it comes to who's a victim of what. So then there comes this game. I know, and you know now, that the checks and balances system is going to work that out, that the courts are going to catch that and, like you said, if this is, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know. But I'm loving the dogs behind me, frank, he's like pet me. So for me, if the checks and balances are going to catch it, okay, that's great. Um, should it have to get to the checks and balances? That's the other part. So this is where I'm with eye of the night. Yeah, I'm with. I mean, look at, look at marijuana marijuana is another great one in arizona.
Speaker 4:It's legal federally. It's illegal. I don't right, I don't. I don't cite people for it federally, even though it's illegal federally because there's a state law.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So I mean, you could do on the other side of that and say that there's things that are illegal federally, that we don't deal with on the state side. And what do you? You know, what do you do? It's there's you. Just you can't do and know everything all the time. Yeah, and we have to kind of stay in our lane as far as what we you know, what we enforce and how we enforce it. And I enforce Arizona state law because I'm not a federal law enforcement officer. So when I look at that and if a court wants to say, hey, we're going to throw that out. That's not a frank problem. And per Arizona state law, which I read and which you could look up on the Google, which is exactly where I found it, you know, you could bring that up to your federal district saying, okay, and then I hear myself saying, well, I'm upholding the Constitution.
Speaker 1:Well, part of the Constitution is freedom of speech, but then here I am being willing to write a ticket for offensive language, which I'm not. It's not that I'm willing, I don't want to, and if I can talk to a person out of doing it, I'm going to. However, how do I want to fight that? Do I want to refuse and then get fired? I don't know. No, I don't. I also swore an oath to uphold the state laws and constitution, just like you said. So if the constitution of the state and the constitution of the the nation and then the state laws all contradict each other, I swore oh to all of them. So let the courts help me out, because I'm kind of stuck in a weird spot well, and that's their job, that's.
Speaker 4:It is not our job to interpret the law. That's not. That is not our. The branch of government to which the three of us are in that is a judicial branch. Um, so let the judicial branch make those decisions and inform us, and that's where case law comes from. So if it's bad, then let case law come down and then we have case law. That that dictates our response to things. But that's not our branch of government to interpret. Um, you know us 242 and arizona revised statute, or you know the texas criminal code and all that stuff yeah, and and mr billfold, I want to make it clear I'm not arresting.
Speaker 1:Like that's a ticket, like it's it's not a, it's not a physical, that's an arrestable offense in arizona.
Speaker 4:That is a misdemeanor like oh oh yeah, you could book someone in jail for that oh okay, yeah, we're not here in texas, you know?
Speaker 1:uh a class c violation here in texas.
Speaker 7:if we don't see it as a law enforcement officer, we're going to write a report on it and if a detective picks that up to investigate it further, they may write. But in over 20 years I've never seen anybody go to jail and I've never taken personally anybody to jail for saying a curse word in a Safeway grocery store any of that within my jurisdiction. We've gone to calls and we've squashed things and we've done that, but personally I've never done that. There may have been a lot of Texas cops that have Eric, you may have done that.
Speaker 1:But I've never taken somebody to jail for that. I don't think I have either. No, absolutely not. And like I said, if I can figure out a way to squash it, I'm gonna. I'm gonna use my discretion in suave mouth to try to to try to squash that. But um, mr billfold said, how can you justify arresting someone because a citizen claims they are offended by words? I don't have that problem in my state, but frank like yeah, I and again I.
Speaker 4:How do you I think that's a, uh, you know you would have to get some sort of evidence conduct a full-, thorough investigation. If there's audio video, and then long form it and send it to a detective, like like Banning said.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just suspect as we would call it.
Speaker 4:Yep, let that detective, you know, get with the county attorney and say, hey, this is the case I have. You know what do you think about submitting charges? I have a, I have a willing victim. You know this is the circumstances. And let let a detective that's got some more time to really invest in the case and talk with, you know, with with a prosecutor, because I mean, it's, first of all, I don't deal with this ever, very, very seldom on my job, just because of the nature of being a traffic deputy, but it is an Arizona law and could it come? Yeah, absolutely. The nature of being a traffic deputy, um, but it is an arizona law, and could it come? Yeah, absolutely. But I mean, I'm not gonna. It would have to be something crazy egregious, I mean, just so, with so much jury appeal, um, that that offends the senses, like you walk into a kindergarten and drop in bombs on the little kids like okay, would have to be something like that.
Speaker 4:That's so shocking to the conscience that I would be remiss in not taking that person into custody. And absent that I mean I just I can't see a scenario where I walk in to a Safeway and say, oh I'm sorry, did you drop the F-bomb? You're going to jail. I just can't see that happening.
Speaker 7:Yeah, man, yeah, this is a good topic, like you guys got me thinking think about it, eric, and I'm not trying to to knowledge base this, but in the state of texas, yes, we can arrest for class c within our presence or view. What are the ones that we can arrest that are not and I'm not talking about felonies I'm talking about misdemeanors, yeah, and family violence.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that's one that we can. We can take both sides of the story and we have to corroborate right then. And there Does it say that you know, because if you're taking somebody to jail, family vices saying they're guilty, no, but you're, you're, you're separating the parties to prevent any further or there may be violence in the future. So we're arresting them and I think I don't know Code of Criminal Procedures 504 and 505, I believe are the ones in the state of Texas that cover that, and we're going to remove that person from the scenario and bring them before a magistrate to prevent further violence. Or maybe violence didn't occur, but we believe something was. But it doesn't say that that person's guilty and that's going to be up for the court system to go further in the DA, et cetera.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah man, Mr Billfold's on top of his game tonight. He said you yourself said all citizens has to do is be a complaining party. Frank, you didn't say who decides what caused the offense.
Speaker 4:Absolutely Again. That's why I'm not taking someone to jail. It would have to be something crazy.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think we all have come to the agreement that we're not taking anybody to jail. What we're going to do is we're going to it's called suspect casing. Basically, we're going to take the information, we're going to put it in a report, we're going to send it to a detective. The detective is going to take all that information and he's going to say all right, let me talk to the prosecutor and see what he wants to do with this before he ever files a case or anything like that. And I'm going to guess I hope, because I'm with you guys I hope the prosecutor says nope, we don't want it, Just dismiss it. And the prosecutor has that ability. That's where their discretion is way different than a cop's. They can squash a case.
Speaker 7:And they have their own investigators as well, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:So constitutional country girl said okay, guys, what about flipping off LEOs? I've seen arrests and or unlawful ID for it. Yeah, those cops deserve to be fucking hammered on.
Speaker 4:Totally fine, you can flip me off all day long.
Speaker 1:Flip me off all day long. Matter of fact, I'm going to give you an over-excited wave back. Hey, I got five of them, not offended by it?
Speaker 4:yeah, not, not at all you can.
Speaker 1:I actually made a video just on this um, talking about like you did in the. In the cop is a sergeant and he pulls the car over and comes up and he's like well, man, you know, I pulled you over because why were you flipping me off like that? And I'm like so you didn't even have a traffic offense that's bad traffic stop yeah, you didn't even have an offense.
Speaker 1:You pulled this guy over. Instead, you pulled him over because he flipped you off. Okay, now this is where we start to get into the weeds on things. Do I think that cop deserves to be fired? No, do I think training and could do I think we can make him a better cop? Yes, and that is the generalized version of that. Can we do training make him a better cop? Yes, I think we can. Now, that's not taking into account his background, what he's been in trouble for, like if the guy's a shithead and he's got a long history of a bunch of stuff, okay, yeah, that guy deserves to be gone.
Speaker 7:I mean, that's you know and if, and if that's the case, you know it's an unconstitutional stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 7:It was violated. So, yes, we're right, along with the people that have problems with that. Was it an FTO issue? Was nobody heard on? It? Could be a training deal, maybe, depending on their state laws or in their policies and procedures. Maybe some time off without pay because he should have known better? Absolutely. But can we train him and fix him? And somebody had made something in the comments. You know these chiefs and sheriffs around the country are not held accountable. I agree to that in a big extent. They need to know exactly what's going on on the street and they need to be more in tuned with their main division of patrol.
Speaker 1:We just got a of patrol I. We just got a red. We got a super sticker. I don't know what the fuck a super sticker is, but we got one from credence and Mikey. Thank you, guys, Appreciate it. I'm learning shit. Guys. We got a super sticker. That's. That's great. Thank you very much. Credence uh, credence and Mikey, Thank you, Um, but yeah, the finger like that is all day long.
Speaker 4:It's just a demonstration of ignorance, just like cool man you shit.
Speaker 1:Sometimes maybe I got it coming. I've cut a car off before and didn't realize it cut them off and the dude I'm in my patrol car, he pulls up next to me, flicks me off and I me off and I I raised my hands up like this and because I didn't know what I'm being flipped off for and my windows were down because the weather was great, and uh, he's flipping me off and I'm like and I give him this and he's like you cut me off.
Speaker 1:And I was like and I did one of these I'm like sorry, bro, he's like I don't think he expected me to like apologize. And he's like watch where you're going and he just takes off and I was like okay, my bad try to be a better driver yeah, sorry, it happens. Yeah, but edmunds, uh, david edmondson points, you know, he calls it what it is and boils down to ego and control. Um, absolutely, um, I, the night.
Speaker 7:That goes into a lot of what er and I say on these, the interviews on the very beginning, when we're hiring these folks, uh, coming in off the street I use that term loosely Um, how were they? Do they know how to speak to somebody? Why aren't we, as leaders in law enforcement, making sure in the academy that they can hold a freaking conversation without getting pissed off for no reason? If they've got a chip on their shoulder, why the hell are we slapping a badge on their chest? Because when they go out and screw up and do something wrong and break somebody's car, they're making us all look like shit. So I understand why a lot of the public gets pissed off.
Speaker 7:I would love to run a police academy to where I can say no, you're a fucking little turd ball. Love to run a police academy to where I can say, no, you're a fucking little turd ball, you got no business having a badge on, because you can't handle X type call period. You can't handle it. Go home, go to Walmart and say welcome to Walmart, because you got no business being in this field. And that's a soapbox for banning. But I see the same videos too and I get pissed off too that these cops are going to make unconstitutional stops, this and that Either train them up, if they haven't screwed up before, and fix that to where it never happens again, with the due punishments that need to happen, and then get it back out on the street to see if they can be a true peace officer to society, but if they can't, get in, the freak out of that position and stop making the rest of us look bad, so Yep.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, and I'm telling you and I, I, I talk about stoicism all the time in this job and and I, I say a lot that I am a I am a practicing stoic and I am I'm a stoic in training and, and a lot of that is learning to have people say things that you don't like and then go okay, that's it, like I say okay to a lot of people.
Speaker 7:We cannot afford to be upset on a call. We've got to take the call that we just went on and we've got to come to this new call as a neutral person. That's what being a peace officer is. Now, is there going to be some upset, emotion and stuff like that? Yeah, they're human beings, but as long as that officer is not crossing that frigging line and they're doing their job 100%, go on to the next. We've got to do that. And, eric, the only thing that you missed while you stepped away for a second was what you and I used to talk about. Why isn't there more screening in the academies of? Can these people even speak? Can they, during a situation, do that natural de-escalation? Because before this stuff got you know, big topic on on youtube and then the main whatever you want to call it media. Uh, these cops need to learn de-escalation. We've been doing de-escalation, uh, since people were putting on the badge yeah, yeah, called verbal judo before that.
Speaker 1:Before that it was called Community Relations and it goes as far back as Sir Robert Peel. So every once in a while I like to show off my education. Look at that. Yeah, Right. But Mr Billfold said, if a person flips off a cop and it offends a bystander, is that when it becomes a crime? Technically? I think so, because they can be offended by the gesture. But I don't know if a gesture qualifies as offensive language because a gesture isn't speaking. So I would say no. And again, I know it's not our job to interpret the law, but it is our job to figure out if we have an offense at the time and if I'm going to determine whether or not that's an offense, I'm going to say no. Only language and giving the finger could be several different things depending on the language you're speaking.
Speaker 7:And then you might as well go sit with that family every time they turn on the TV, or go sit in the theater and write a citation to every actor out there. Oh shit, I'm mailing you a ticket. You POS actor. Use the word shit. There happened to be an eight-year-old in the audience and the parent didn't care to look at the frigging rating on the movie before they went in. Anyway, sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said it wouldn't offend you as a cop to get flipped the bird but theoretically you would arrest or cite a bystander who took offense. See the hypocrisy in that? It's not hypocrisy. I can't say what offends somebody else and I also can't say what makes another person a victim or not. If somebody steals your bike, I can't sit back and go like, bro, that was a bike that you haven't ridden in 10 years. That's not up to me. So no, I don't see that as hypocrisy. I see that, as you're kind of stuck like Chuck, it's just the way the rules are and if you want to keep your job and keep doing what you're doing, you've got to let the court system figure that out. No different than when I try to tell people stop arguing on the roadside. It's not doing you any favors anyway. Argue in court, that's what it's for.
Speaker 1:So do I agree with the law? No, I don't, and I'm not. Like I told you before, I'm not going to arrest anybody anyway. I'm going to suspect case that. Send it up. Let the courts figure it out. Before it ever goes to court, let discretion do its job all the way through, because there's obviously a problem with that law. Listen where I'm at. Guys, you can't spray paint a chicken an unnatural color. That's still a law. Does that mean I'm going to enforce that? No, I'm going to suspect, case it if somebody complains and say, hey, this dude spray painted his chickens blue. Do you want to do something about it? So you don't believe me. Look it up, texas. You can't spray paint a chicken. You can't have seven dildos in your car either. You can't have more than five sex toys in your vehicle. Ask me how I know, because I only had six.
Speaker 4:God bless Texas.
Speaker 7:I hated being that rookie. Search that bag.
Speaker 1:Why is it gooey and cold? Oh man, let me see, let's see. Well, it's been determined that burning the flag is a form of expression, yep Language. It really is weird that people still get offended by getting flipped the bird, told to fuck up. I agree, I'm with you, I definitely agree with you and, like I said, we're talking in hypotheticals. Now, I've been a cop in Texas 13 years and I was a cop in Michigan before that. Like I didn't in all that time never done anything with offensive language. Have people complained about it? Yes, but I haven't done anything about it. So, um, let me see here Uh, country girl, said when dealing with argumentative people, my dad used to respond with you may be right. In Texas they like to say uh, bless your heart.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, they do. Sorry, I'm trying to get through the comments here.
Speaker 4:Guys, it's interesting because you talk about burning the flag and in Arizona there is a statute under Arizona criminal law abuse of a venerated object. Abuse of a venerated object that is casting contempt upon, mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, trampling or otherwise dishonoring or causing to bring dishonor upon a flag, and that is currently in Arizona law again.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to take them to jail, and if someone wants that to be done, we long form it, send it up to detectives and let them make the decision. But at least we are taking law enforcement action upon that crime that is being committed. Get prosecuted in the country Doesn't mean that it's not a crime. It just means that, for whatever reason, whether it's our, our attorneys use stuff like no jury appeal or you know stuff like that. Just sometimes they just dismiss cases. So it's, it's it's penal code 42.
Speaker 7:Dash 10 or 11 here in the state of Texas for the American flag, that's. It's on our books as well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's in there. It doesn't mean it just means that we have to take some sort of action. Doesn't mean we need to book someone in jail, you know, temporarily, taking away their constitutional right to freedom. It just means that we're gonna take that information, send it down, range and let happen what it will yeah, um yeah, mr bill, he's trying to bring up qualified.
Speaker 1:I mean, nope, I'm not getting into it.
Speaker 4:Appreciate it um and I mean they're not qualified. I mean it's, it's on the law books, so you arrest someone for it. Disqualified immunity cover. You bring that up on your on when, when the topic comes up, yeah when the topic comes up, yeah, yeah, when the topic comes up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, many laws are outdated, agreed. And again, here's the other thing. You guys need to figure out what your expectation of police are. If your expectation of a cop is to have the knowledge of the law like a lawyer without going to law school, your expectations are unrealistic and unreasonable. We don't get that type of training. All we really get is the elements of offense. That's really how we go through most of it. We go through what I like to call the reader's digest version of law.
Speaker 7:That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1:That is how we operate. We just go off this Reader's Digest version of the law and, unless you want to pay your cops to have a law degree, when you think about it, you want them to be a lawyer on top of being a cop. So now you got them doing two professions, because it absolutely takes a lot of training to be a cop in general and be good at it. Most people and I I haven't said it, but you guys know I, I will tell you. I'm trying to figure out a way to do this without I'm going to type it here in the chat. Okay, um, no, that doesn't work either. Shit. Anyway, frank, how long does it take to not be a rookie anymore in the streets? What's the? What's the typical range?
Speaker 4:three years yeah, yeah, I guess it probably depends on how much, how busy you are a lot of us like in phoenix you know a year and a half, two years and more. Rural communities three or four.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So like where I'm at we say three to five, like that's what we push. Just depends on what side of town you're on, because we have some sides of towns that just nonstop slammed and we got other sides of town that's just not doing a whole lot. But that to me, that rookie status, just being a cop, that zero to five-year mark, let's say that's just learning to be a cop.
Speaker 7:We haven't even gotten it Now imagine what it takes to be a lawyer and I'm going to call it even at larger agencies. I'm going to call it five to seven years. And here's the reason you're working night shift, primarily at most of these larger agencies for a good chunk of the beginning of your career and then you get switched to day shift because maybe you finally have some what you want to call it veteran status to where you can chip up on the board. I want to go to day shift, spend some time with my family, and then you have a whole different slew of calls that you may have not even dealt with a night shift. So it takes that. To me it's about a five to seven years to be what I would call a well-rounded patrolman for the most part, where you can truly answer those questions without making a phone call on the scene and to not violate anybody's rights. And that's that's again. That's just Banning's opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Country Girl said absolutely agree, eric, but the LEOs need to be open-minded and willing to listen and educate themselves when presented. 100% agree. I mean, look what we've been doing tonight. You guys were talking about offensive language and the First Amendment and you guys were showing me I've never heard of the 18 by 242, whatever that was, and never heard of the 18 by 242, whatever that was. And as I'm reading it, I'm like fuck, that makes sense, like I haven't heard of that. But then again, I haven't also ever arrested somebody for offensive language. So, um, let me see, I saw andy piped up. Um, andy sticks out because he has a green circle on his name for some reason for me, um, so I see it really easy and I said they can't get out of their egos. Um, and many are sociopaths I think we're talking about. I think he's talking about police. Um, you watch their eye socket as they go, monic, as they go, manic, like shark eyes. Um, I think he's talking about cops.
Speaker 4:Um, I don't think you're where the lady couple I'm wearing uh eye of the night trying to figure out what video this one is, that what lady cop pulls over? Personally, a lady who had a bike rack is bs.
Speaker 1:I have no idea yeah, send that link into, uh, either our email two1donut at yahoocom all spelled out or direct message us on one of our social medias. I'd love to do some sort of reaction video to that. Check it out. He said you guys do On the street is different. He said that you have never heard of is part of the issue. Well, I mean guys, this is a large nation.
Speaker 7:And Andy tell us I mean, we want to know. I mean, let us know exactly what you're talking about. We're not those guys who are like, oh, you're on ball. This is a learning experience for both sides, and that's.
Speaker 1:That's why this is. That's the bridge. Yep, if you guys are able to show I mean I like to think of it if I help one person, I'm doing what I'm saying that that will spread. It may be a slow ripple effect across the water, but it's done what it's supposed to do and it's the same for y'all. If you guys teach me or frank, or banning tonight one thing, that will spread. I'm a supervisor. I've got 12 to 15 people under me. Think of the effect I can make by the one thing you taught me. And I go to roll call the next day and I'm like, hey, I can learn this. The other day I didn't think about this. Here's a perspective to roll call the next day and I'm like, hey, I can learn this. The other day I didn't think about this. Here's a perspective to consider when the next time you're dealing with somebody, bam.
Speaker 4:We round table stuff all the time. I mean, in my unit I think there's five or six of us that are just in the enforcement. We get a topic like that USC, that code versus Arizona state law, and I mean we know that that code versus Arizona state law, and I mean we we round table that and grab the supervisors and sit down and we'll talk about it over lunch. We do stuff like that literally all the time because it makes us better, just like conversations like this.
Speaker 4:So it's I mean it's the only way. I mean not we. I mean we don't know everything, man, I'm, I mean I'm, I'm humble enough to say there's a, there was a metric ton of stuff I don't know, and the older I get, the more stuff I realize I don't know. So I mean it's just, you know what I mean I like to try to be a student of this.
Speaker 1:You know of this occupation, yeah, and like Andy, I, like you, have examples, I get it. And just because we don't know them off the top of our head, it doesn't mean we disagree, it doesn't mean we agree. And us not knowing doesn't make us less of it, doesn't mean that it's something we should have known. It just means there's a lot of information out there. There's 350 million calls for service a year approximately. So there's a shit ton of calls you know. And for us to know every single bad one that happens, even if it was 1% of 350 million, what does that equal? 350,000? I can't math, I don't know. It's probably really bad, but whatever it is, that's a lot of calls to understand that are that are bad. And he said I'm not mad, bro. Okay, appreciate it. Um, you guys look like you're looking awfully intently at it. Is there a comment I need to highlight?
Speaker 4:I'm just trying to read them. I'm just trying to read them.
Speaker 1:Okay, I saw you guys both hyper-focused. I was like shit, read them. I'm just trying to read them. I saw you guys both hyper focus. I was like shit, did I miss one?
Speaker 4:they're coming in.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to read them yeah, so I appreciate the help with the comments guys. He says I'm not mad, bro, I know you're not mad, I know, I know. I know. I'm sorry if I made it seem that way. That wasn't what I was trying to do. So well, I was trying to do so?
Speaker 1:um well, I was trying to get off here at three hours, but now we're almost at four. You know, as long as people keep interacting and asking questions and stuff, like man, I'll, I'll keep. I'll just keep trying to go. David Edmondson said Alice, I've said it before, I'll say it again Good to remain humble and teachable throughout your life. Yeah, if you're a glass if you're a glass that's full man, you ain't got a lot of room you're a cop that thinks you know everything.
Speaker 7:You're all wrong. Holy shit. You know, I'm already retired and I'm still learning stuff new and I'm like I'm thinking about calls years and years ago and then I try to educate the ones that are still on the street now. Period. Yep.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Yep. When is Banning going to run for political office From Fred Richardson?
Speaker 7:Red I did. I ran for sheriff. Bottom line was I wasn't liked as much as the other two candidates and and there was a lot of silver lining there and, to be honest, I'm I'm glad I didn't get it, and there's silver lining in everything that we do in life. Now I'm now I have more time with my family and I get to spend more time with my daughter and things are amazing.
Speaker 1:Way more time for two cups one donut. You bet time for two cops one donut. You bet yeah. Um, for those listening, I I want to know, or those watching did any of you guys see the collaboration video we put out today? That was a first. Um, I'm just curious if you guys saw that. Did you like that? Um, I'm gonna actually play it while I'm thinking about it. Uh, I'll do the the YouTube one. I guess that would be the easiest. Let me uh, go home here. We put out a video and we're we're trying to like kind of highlight the fact that we've got several people now on the on the platform that have a lot of good things to say. And, um, I'm trying to find the video while talking, which is not always easy for me. Shorts, I think it was a short right. What the hell did we? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 6:I got, it, I got it.
Speaker 1:Sorry, click the screen. Oh, come on now, bear with me, guys Trying to do, do, do, do. Think that's right. Share the screen, here we go. So it looks like the officer wrote this guy a ticket because the poles in his car. Wow, can you?
Speaker 3:hear that, banny, the screen, here we go. Can you hear that, benny? Yeah, okay, got it.
Speaker 2:Say that again. I want to get it on video again.
Speaker 6:I'm going to throw it out.
Speaker 1:It's less than five minutes In all seriousness why are we riding this in the first place? I can understand if he's got an extension ladder hanging out of a Ford Escort and it darn near decapitates someone, maybe, then, but for this that's a cheesy way to ride a ticket, unless it was actually hitting someone's vehicle or it causes a significant inconvenience for other cars and somebody called it in.
Speaker 7:Even then, I'm probably just going to go with a verbal warning personally, I'm not going to stop somebody for that, unless it's egregiously over, or definitely over, four feet, if you're gonna write a ticket for something like this, don't eyeball it, because if you're gonna be petty, you better not be wrong.
Speaker 6:A great majority of the public does not believe that this is effective police work is making anyone safer or serves any real purpose.
Speaker 1:Officers, officers, get your proof. If you're going to write a ticket, you better have proof to back it up. If I believe that object that's out of the truck is long enough, I'm going to go measure it first.
Speaker 7:I truly hope that that trooper had other probable cause other than the object sticking out of the back of the truck.
Speaker 3:After the ticket was written, the driver asked the officer to measure, discovered that the driver was actually in compliance with the law, with the law, and he tore up the ticket To write the person a ticket before he verified that.
Speaker 7:Totally on that trooper. I'm glad he owned it, I'm glad he was dismissing the ticket, but he could have saved a lot of time.
Speaker 1:Well, I will say this At least he showed some moral scruples and retracted that ticket. So I won't talk about that horrible mustache. But what I really like is the officer not only admitted that he was wrong and he owned it.
Speaker 3:When the officer realized that he was wrong, he tore up the ticket which is the right thing to do If you're a driver in a situation like this and you honestly believe that the officer is factually incorrect, there's nothing wrong with asking the officer to double check. Let's stop being petty, Vanna Haley. It must be better.
Speaker 1:We can agree and disagree on whether or not that these are the types of traffic stops the cops should be making. There's a lot of citizens that say yes. To me personally, I'm a no on those. I like to be optimistic. What I really like to focus on in this one is this cop owning his mistake and humbling himself in front of the camera to even say that he screwed up when he tore up the ticket. Kudos to that officer for not doubling down when he knew he screwed up. This one was kind of deep and there's a lot that curious. What y'all think. All right, I like it. Um, that was the mashup. So I liked getting all of the people that we've got going on involved with the two cops when doing it and, uh, giving you, we did not get together and talk to each other about how we were going to respond to this video. This was what we all came up with on our own and then me trying to do my editing. I just made it look flowy and together.
Speaker 7:So and within this group chat, eric died me out and said hey, you little son of a bitch, you haven't done one yet, so I love that about him. He's like hey, dude, take out 30 seconds of your day and react to this frigging video, and he had every right to say that. So, brother, I appreciate, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:It's what you guys like, so I'm hoping you guys want to see more stuff like that. If you do, we'll keep doing them. If not, then we'll do individual stuff. Maybe that was too long it was two minutes and 12 seconds so it was a lot. But even in the video in itself you know to the point like if to me that was more of a teaching moment versus a ticketable moment it literally came out of that truck like three feet. It was the handle of a pool skimmer.
Speaker 7:I was going to say there's some pool that's buried.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was pool skimmers Delayed stop, Like you would have to have been riding his ass so fucking hard to even touch that thing. Just my opinion. Now, Frank looks like he's stewing. No, that would have been 18 tickets right there.
Speaker 4:No, but it's a great reason to stop someone and go up to their window and talk to them.
Speaker 4:Yes, that's it. There's not a single chance I would ever and I love writing tickets there's not a single chance I would write a ticket for that, even if it was in violation. What a great teaching moment to just say hey, man, so this is what Arizona law says. Arizona law says if it's more than this far, it's got to have a flag on it. Flag's got to be bright orange in color. You know? Hey, I grabbed my tape measure. Hey, this is what it is. It's your 10 inches too long.
Speaker 4:You ain't never heard that no, no, you know. Yeah, whatever man You're, you know it needs to be it's, it's. It needs to be less than three feet. This is five feet, you know? Pick up an orange flag. Have a great day.
Speaker 4:Like that's it, I guess, but part of the. So there's the three E's of in the traffic unit, which is enforcement, education and engineering. So those are the three E's. We really can't do very much with engineering except make recommendations, but we do enforcement and education is and part of being a good law enforcement officer. And if people don't like that, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Right, I want to address two real quick Constitutional Girl said like minds birds of a feather. That is why it took me so long. I've been doing this four years. That's why it took me so long to finally in this last year to get the people I have under me. Banning was my first, and then I got Matt and I got Daniel and now I got Trey. So I've got people of like minds. It's just taken me a while. So, yes, it's funny how that kind of works out.
Speaker 4:And then to Mr Billfold oh, I was going to pick this one.
Speaker 1:What's that yeah?
Speaker 4:I was hoping I read this one yeah.
Speaker 1:Not citing him as a risk to your career, because the law is the law. No, that is not correct. That is a civil violation. The state is the victim. In this case. I have absolute discretion on a state being a victim because I am technically the state. I can't be a victim. So the difference being is the state's the victim versus you, the person, the citizen. I have zero right to tell you, as a citizen, you can't be a victim. So that is the difference in that. But I like that you're trying to call me out.
Speaker 4:I saw that. That's why I wanted to comment on it. I saw it and I was like, uh, I think that was misinterpreted. The difference between the two is when there is a civilian victim that says I want to be a victim, I am, I, this is, I am a victim of. This is totally different than a traffic infraction. For a civil violation, that's not criminal. There's no mandatory anything, and it is where discretion lives is in traffic enforcement whether you have that discretion whether to write a citation or not on stuff like this, and it's the perfect example.
Speaker 1:Yeah, simon says cops don't want to teach. They just want to make some excuse to put an innocent person in the forever box. Not my experience. I can tell you this. If I can avoid doing work, that's the ultimate police goal. I don't want to have to do work, I want to have fun and talk to people and educate and do all the opposite things of enforcement. Now, the difference being is I'm more than willing to put a person in jail that deserves to go there and is violating you and your personal rights. I am trying to be the anti-bully and I look at people committing violent crimes and stuff like that as bullies, crimes and stuff like that as bullies, and I don't expect everybody to have the ability or everybody to have the mindset or the want to go do what I do. I'm willing to step up and do that for you because I know I can and I'm willing to. So that is the difference to me. What do you got on that, vanny the?
Speaker 7:same thing. I mean, it takes a special person to be a good officer Let me put that in quotes A good officer out there to truly serve the citizens that are within our city and the ones that travel through our city every day. We run into so many things. I know I have in 20 plus years I've run into so many things. Can we solve everything? No, but we can do our damnedest to try to help every victim out there.
Speaker 1:Right, where did that comment go? Mr Belfold said there has to be a law broken to make a victim.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm confused by what you're saying. Could you clarify?
Speaker 7:I believe he's talking about the First Amendment stuff and clarifying if I'm wrong, because that's a pretty heavy subject. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, mr Belfort's going to destroy us. I swear he's on top of his game tonight, like I bet he's. Just I bet he's asking these questions simultaneously setting personal records on some sort of video game. At the same time he just bought 18 bitcoins because he's he's, he's on fire. So, um, I the knight, said I have a couple fun cop stories. I'll email you later. I would love to hear them come up at some point. Okay, absolutely, I think you folks bring up here would have an honest take on them for sure. Absolutely we'd love to have some reactions to that.
Speaker 1:Um, a person does not have a right to invent victim status when offensive speech is a subject thing. The cop is our arbiter of the office. I I think, okay, mrold, I think we are getting into the weeds because I think we have all collectively agreed that we're with you. I don't disagree with you and that's why I'm telling you like the best course of action I can do one for the safety of my career and being able to keep doing what I'm doing and putting up the good fight as a cop is to just suspect case Cause I have the discretion to do that, not make an arrest and let the courts weed that out and say, okay, this is a freedom of speech issue. Da, da, da, da, da so.
Speaker 7:And he just said uh, I'm saying absence of a crime, there's no victim, and then no victim. Um, so if there is no victim, there's no reason for us to be there, right, I mean? Correct me if I'm wrong If there is no victim, there is no reason to be there. And I think he is going back to that First Amendment and we will clarify some more answers on that, because that is a state by case or state by state basis. But I understand what you're saying federally as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, andy, or state by state basis, but I understand what you're saying federally as well. Yeah, andy Fletcher said we just want you to do it right, so do we. That's my. You want to know what I'm? I'm not scared of much. I'm not a fan of spiders. I am absolutely terrified of tornadoes and I absolutely a hundred percent petrified that I am not going to do my job Right. A hundred percent I am. That is one of my biggest fears as a cop is fucking up.
Speaker 7:And then Andy just said what if they want ID, though and we've covered it, and, andy, you may not have heard us cover this we're not going to ID somebody unless it's an investigation of a crime and there is a victim. That's the only time we're going to ask for ID. And yes, we've seen the videos that you may be referring to, and those videos are wrong. So, no, we're not going to ID somebody unless there's a necessary law abiding reason to do so. Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 4:How do you send it up?
Speaker 1:Oh, I get what he's saying. He's saying if you didn't ask for the ID, there's a difference, because we do technically have a crime according to state law, state law being offensive language. If the offensive language is the state law, then we've got a right to ask for ID and do all that, and so we're going to ask for their ID. Now, if they start to refuse, now we start to get in some weird waters. That's like I said.
Speaker 1:I haven't faced it so I can't tell you what would happen. I can tell you what I think I would do. I can tell you I would think I could talk that person into giving me their ID so I can tell them how the court process is going to do and try to go that route. Did you notice that the background noise just cleared up a little bit? That's because banning muted his shitty mic. But um, I I think we're going to get into a circular argument, not even an argument, just a circular um clarification on that. Um ward said was the passenger a witness to driver speeding and so they have to identify as a witness?
Speaker 4:you don't have to identify witnesses. You only have to identify witnesses if they want to be identified. So you could say, hey, can I see your id? That person says no. You say, perfect, have a great day. That's it. Not that I would ever ask a passenger in a speeding vehicle for their id. Ever, um, because that's just there's no reason. Ever, never, ever. It's just that's like a totally, it's not even a topic of conversation because it just never happens. Yeah, um, but the answer is no, you couldn't. In the state of arizona, you couldn't force that person to provide ID.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm looking up real quick what is offensive language in Texas, Because that would be my first go-to, Because I don't even know what would be considered offensive language. So it has to be abusive, indecent, profane or vulgar language. This includes cursing, cuss words and racial slurs. So getting called fat, in my opinion, wouldn't qualify under that. So that would be. If I'm going to start investigating, let's just say we go off of your example. This would be the first thing I would do. Was that offensive, Does that qualify under Texas law as being offensive language? And then it says while First Amendment protects freedom of speech, there are limitations that can lead to disorderly conduct charges. Context is important in these cases. For example, simple profanity is usually protected by free speech, but stringing together fighting words and aggressive phrases can be considered disorderly conduct.
Speaker 4:There's always a case-by-case basis, I mean there's no blanket.
Speaker 4:I mean like in Arizona, there's very few things that we absolutely have to take someone to jail for. And I think it sounds like the same thing in Texas domestic violence stuff that is a mandatory. If we can establish a crime, someone's going to jail for. I think it sounds like the same thing in texas domestic violence stuff that is a mandatory if there is. If we can establish a crime, someone's going to jail. That's that is in arizona law, because that's the way the law is written. But except for that man, there's not really not really a whole lot that we wouldn't just send without having. And somewhere in there, mr bill, like you know, let me find how much money and freedom do I lose out laying the courts? Nothing, cause we just long form it. We just send it to the like I said, send it to a detective. Detective sends it to you know, or talks to a prosecutor or sends it to a prosecutor. There's nothing, there's not even there's there. There's, you don't get anything you just.
Speaker 1:You'll get a call later and say, hey, your case was dismissed. Yep, nothing's happening you don't even have to go to court um tim said people need to understand one thing about this podcast there are food cops. These guys are the ones that were are fighting to get more of them out there and get rid of the tyrants.
Speaker 4:So and then he said good cops, sorry, typo. That's the next message Okay, I was like food cop. I'm like I'm also a food cop, I am definitely a food cop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I named this thing. Oh, I'm definitely. Yeah, we know. I believe that I know you have no neck.
Speaker 4:I get it 317 pounds of good person.
Speaker 1:Okay, it is buddy, I agree. What's you to love? Yeah, in texas. I think folks here get passionate about abuse of power we see in this age of information. Agreed, I'm with you, agreed. And that's the tough part about doing what we do on here is we've opened the door, fully admit that. We've opened the door to have all these tough questions and the hard part is we don't have all the answers what's you know?
Speaker 4:cuss words are protected speech. The Supreme Court has ruled so. Yeah, but cuss words are one thing, you know. Fighting language is a different. So, and again, it's you know when. Who decides that? The courts decide it. That's their job. So, yeah, you write that up and you send it down range and you let the courts and lawyers decide, because that's actually their job.
Speaker 1:Yep. So I and, like I said, I'm going to say it for the fifth time tonight I'm not arresting you. I burped as I was trying to talk. Um, I'm not arresting you, I'm going to suspect case, I'm going to send it out, I'm going to let the courts squash it if they feel it needs to be squashed and then if they decide that it needs to go forward. Well, that's not on me. I just I did the victim their due diligence by sending the information up and letting those people discuss it. So I saw a long one, so I'm just going to pop it. Does the Academy teach tyrants to scream, stop resisting and make up bullshit reasons to pull someone over? Or is that just what tyrants do? Because they have a badge gun, qualified immunity and get away with it?
Speaker 4:Well, that is a tyrant.
Speaker 1:I um yeah, it's a very vague and lazy um argument that's generalized yes, that is a lawful order.
Speaker 4:So are we taught that? Yes, we are. We are taught to say stop resisting when someone is resisting a lawful arrest. So yes, we are taught that yeah.
Speaker 1:So, simon, you, it's not that I I'm gonna avoid or not answer or even put your questions up there because I'm going to keep doing it. But if you listen and watch the rest of this audience, they're definitely asking very good questions. They have very good conversations amongst each other. But when you just don't entertain lazy, generalized points of view, like you didn't address anything really specific other than stop resisting and you're not showing any cases that you're specifically talking about. We just had the discussion that police work is a very case by case basis. You can't use a blanket statement for every law enforcement action because they're all different. It could be 15 robbery cases you show me. Each robbery case is going to be unique. Even if it was 15 robberies on the same 7-Eleven, they're all going to be unique. There's all going to be different factors for each one. So I appreciate you trying, but you got to come correct here.
Speaker 1:We're not going to just entertain trolling. If you want to troll, I mean, go ahead. We're just going to not acknowledge it. Eric, I hope you do not have to arrest someone tomorrow for language, because that would be crazy after tonight. Listen, it's not going to happen, guys. I promise you that I'm not going to happen, guys. I promise you that I'm not going to arrest somebody for language. Especially where I specifically work, it is an entertainment district full of drunks. I hear offensive language all night long.
Speaker 7:So reading through the comments here and Constitutional County Girl has asked this several times. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I miss it. Well, no, I mean she's just asking if we're going to be streaming live on Christmas Eve or playing Santa with our kids, type of thing. Are we actually going to come live on Christmas Eve, type thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll see it just depends on what my wife lets me get away with. So yeah, let me see what the wife lets me do.
Speaker 7:We have higher powers within our household as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, I have the night said tyrants are evident by their actions and not before. Honestly, now, when they scream stop resisting before they've ever come into contact with somebody, then it's obviously wrong. Yeah, like that's egregious. If you're yelling, stop resisting, you haven't even touched the dude yet. And I brought this point up the other day with a friend at work and I said part of one of the separations between the public and police.
Speaker 1:Police's definition of fighting is based on what resistance is, and this is what I mean. To a cop, fighting is anything other than compliance physically. That is fighting. Physically. That is fighting If when I grab your hand and I'm like, all right, you're under arrest and I'm starting to put your hands behind your back and you pull away. That is fighting. That is a type of resistance. That's active resistance. That is you physically using your muscles to pull away, even though you're not physically turn around and squared up with your dukes up and punching at me and attacking me.
Speaker 1:Where the public looks at fighting is you're attacking somebody. Now I'm generalizing, but that is where that discord starts to. That's where the separation happens. That guy wasn't fighting you, he was running. That is a type of resistance. He's actively. I have to chase him now that is an act of resistance. That's him fleeing from me and that's a type of fighting.
Speaker 1:The way we look at it. It's not that we're wrong, it's not that you're wrong, it's just the way we look at fighting is different. So, if we can switch that language to just resistance, there's passive resistance, like you're under arrest, no, I'm not going, but yet they're putting their hands behind their back and doing everything you tell them to do. It's kind of a passive resistance. Or just laying. That's another one. Like a four-year-old Protesters like to do that one. They just go limp. It's a type of passive resistance. They're not using any physical resistance, it's just up their body weight. So that's your passive resistance. But then you get into the active resistance and that's them physically fighting against you. Andy Fletcher, words matter Depends on what we're talking about. Sometimes all that matters is actions. So your physical reaction to things is all that matters.
Speaker 1:A lot of times you guys have heard me say this, some of you on body cam, use of force, things. I only watch use of force videos for the first time, muted, because I don't care what's being said, care what's being done. I want to see the actions of the cop and the actions of the suspect. So I'm going to the comments here. I haven't seen her speak. Um, angel, am I saying that right? Angel marie? I believe what he's getting at is many bad cops do exactly that, although I know many in le who are respectable people, there is plenty who gladly attack you for saying filming in public. Then the screams stop resisting. I've seen those videos. I don't want to say that many um do that, but I have seen that. Where they try to tell you to stop filming, you pull away and you got your camera out and you're still filming and cop goes hands on.
Speaker 7:Yep, and to Mr Bill Fulton he's saying you know, Frank Eric Banning, thank you for giving us this platform. Absolutely, this is not just our platform. This, this is our meaning. Everybody that's involved in this chat, this is, this is our platform, and thank God this day and age that we can do this. So we appreciate y'all being a part of this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very. It's a very new interesting comp, not compliment. It's a very new interesting concept. That's the word I was trying to think of. It's an interesting concept that I don't think has really been explored and I'm glad we're doing it and we get guys like Frank. We get guys from all across the nation that just do policing different Frank. We don't enforce the same. I know that he's written more tickets in a day than I've written probably in the last 10 years. Again, I like to do real police work and he likes to do that stuff. So there's that.
Speaker 7:Eric just said that there's a forest struggling to come back because of all the tickets right, not only is frank, a tyrant and a revenue generator for his state and city and county.
Speaker 1:He also is part of the deforestation of this nation.
Speaker 4:I'm a conservationist by education.
Speaker 1:He's got his conservation degree. He's a fucking hypocrite. That's it, guys. We've been going four hours and ten minutes. I appreciate y'all, I love y'all. It's past 12, which is fine because I work midnights anyway, so I'm used to staying up, but we still have to debrief with these two knuckleheads after this and talk about how great we are. And yeah, right here, listen everybody before we go. Oh, look at that buddy.
Speaker 4:Look at that buddy. He's big, he's 112 pounds. So of all love that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Before we go. Before we go and I know I've said this before, but this is it I want to share one last thing, just so anybody that comes on our show knows Go check out Fridays with Frank at his webpage at Fridayswithfrankcom. That's his webpage. At Fridays with Frankcom. That's his webpage. Guys. You guys can go in and you can get yourself some mountain of right coins and patches and shirts. And look, he even modeled everything for you, so you should have at least got a cute girl to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what you should do to be very inclusive, you should model your female shirts as well.
Speaker 4:You know what you should do to be very inclusive. Are you in that you should model your?
Speaker 1:female shirts as well. No one wants to see that plunging neckline on me. Oh, I bet everybody wants to see it.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, marine blood Stream till New Year Everything is so extreme with him. Newcomb stream till New Year's Fucking guy oh my God, oh shit. Year everything is so extreme with him. Nukem stream till new year's fucking guy oh my god, oh shit. I have. I have the night. Said thanks, jen, so he says I'm at work right now. Appreciate you, thank you for listening or watching.
Speaker 7:yeah, and so everybody knows we we try to do this on mondays. This is a tuesday, I understand that. So I understand the christmas eve. Uh question, if we're going to do it on christmas eve, we're probably going to shoot for next Monday, because the rest of the team really tries to shoot for that. But if we can't and our better halves allow us to come on on Christmas Eve, we may do that. So we want to come on here, but we've got to take care of our families too.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, monday nights that's what we're trying to go for for right now, 9pm eastern, but we're still all work and we still have shit going on, so we'll switch over to Tuesdays if we have to. We'll go to Sundays if we know Monday and Tuesday we're busy, so just be ready and it might be last minute, just like Frank did tonight. So alright, guys, have a good night. Appreciate y'all, until next time good night guys.
Speaker 7:Thanks, everybody appreciate it.
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