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LIVE STREAM Recording of Body Canera Reviews with Special Guest (again) Friday's with Frank, Dep Frank Sloup
This was a live stream event, if you want to watch and follow along, be sure to check it out on our YouTube channel @TwoCopsOneDonut under the LIVE tab. Dep. Frank Sloup makes a return to review body camera footage with us over some drinks! The episode focuses on the critical issues of police accountability and the effects of recent incidents on public perception. It highlights the importance of family in policing, discusses the Robert Brooks case, and analyzes body camera footage to contextualize law enforcement interactions.
• Exploring the impact of family relationships on police effectiveness
• In-depth analysis of the Robert Brooks incident and its implications
• Discussions on police culture and accountability
• Viewer engagement and diverse perspectives on policing
• Examination of bodycam footage highlighting real-life policing challenges
• Reflection on officer and citizen interactions during traffic stops
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Speaker 1:All right, welcome back to Cops 1, don't? I'm your host, eric Levine, and I am joined with my friends here, alan Nelson, and Friday's with Frank, frank Slope. But we are having technical difficulties with Frank's mic right now, so we are trying to figure those out while we're still on the show. Uh, so bear with us. Um, frank and technology they're they're friends, acquaintances, but they're not best friends, so he's uh trying to get that worked out. Um, we do know that frank's channel is live for the first time, so frank's people are going to be on here as well. We're going to get frank on here. We're just. You can see him um behind the scenes mad dogging his computer because he's he's trying, he's trying to get it worked out. Uh, we're gonna get it, we're gonna get it. So, uh, I'm going down the chat. Uh, marine blood. He said, yeah, first on youtube, what's up? Marine blood. Uh, tim, what's going? He's like I've been here for 10 minutes. Perry Lemley, he's like I'm up and awake, love it. Mama G says good evening. David Edmonston's on again Good evening.
Speaker 2:How are you sir?
Speaker 1:You guys keep working it out. I'm just going to keep going down the comments. Marine Blood said hey, what's up? Frank Thomas Holbrook, good evening. He just tried to turn it off and turn it back on. Yeah, turn it off, turn it on. I think he's jumping out. He's going to jump back in, which is funny because Frank's been on here a million times.
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 1:Hey, we got him.
Speaker 3:Wait a second. What? Wait a second? What'd you do different? I unplugged my camera.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I can tell you're on your laptop camera but, hey, we can hear you, so that's great.
Speaker 1:And you actually kind of look vintage the way the lighting is. You kind of look like.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure if you realize that I was born in the 70s. I am vintage.
Speaker 1:You are vintage. No, I like it.
Speaker 3:You are right on the the end of the one of the best eras for music ever, true, but did you unmute your mic? Yes, yeah we.
Speaker 1:We tried like crazy to get everything. Okay, steve wallace never lets me down. What's up, buddy? My mother my mom's watching from my living room right now. Uh, what's up, mama? So uh, okay now your cameras. No, you're good, you look crispy and you sound crispy. Okay, okay, hey, frank your channel's on here, baby, let him know I'm on it.
Speaker 3:Yes, now we're talking man evening first time man. This is awesome. Okay, so I got it. I'm not using my normal computer this week, so I am at a remote location. Yep, still at that.
Speaker 1:Fair enough. Me and Frank have discussed at length the importance of family and doing everything in our profession. I think in policing, one of the ways that get us in a shitty place at work is when we don't take time for family and family. Speaking of family, my cousin's on from Michigan Stacey, what up, what up? Didi? Funny, funny backstory.
Speaker 1:When I was a little kid I used to chase you know, you get your favorite cousins and stuff my cousin Stacey, she lived on the same street as me. I used to chase her around around, mess with her all the time. Uh, she made me believe that I saved her from an oncoming car. One time there's a car coming down the road and even as like, a little like four-year-old, I was like trying to be a rescuer and I like tried to push her out of the road and she's like you saved me from that car and for the longest time I really believed I'd saved her from a car. So, uh, she probably didn't remember that, but as a little kid I remember that stuff. So, um, per typical, we're going to let people log on and get on here.
Speaker 1:Uh, I have to put out a disclaimer. I got this dude's name wrong. I for whatever reason, when I typed out the Robert Brooks thing, I I typed in Jesse Brooks, I think I copied and pasted off of something and, end of the day, I fucked it up. So, uh, I meant to say the Robert Brooks case, um, which I think everybody knows, the one we're talking about. If you don't know what we're talking about, um, I'm not going to show the video, um one, because I can't find a version of it. That's not just the raw body cam video, it's always some news channels version of it. I don't want that, so I'll just kind of discuss what happened. Um, there was a number of corrections officers, um, taking a inmate to the hospital for whatever. I don't know what the reason was behind it, um, and then they needlessly and senselessly beat this dude while in cuffs to death. Now, I don't give a shit. What he did Everybody's like. Well, he had stabbed his pregnant wife or whatever girlfriend.
Speaker 1:Okay that's bad that he's in jail. Like this is how the system works. That's where he went for that Great but a handcuffed man. You as a cop, like these weren't correction officers, but you as a cop, you're responsible Once you put the cuffs on out in the street. They are your responsibility. Like I don't let people mess with my my you know, arrested people, anything like that. So it's the same for corrections officers. So we're going to we're going to deep dive into this discussion. This is where I want this is before we get to the body cam videos, guys, sorry. So this is you know us. We want to discuss something for about the first 20 minutes. This is going to be our topic for the day. So, frank, did you get a chance to see that video?
Speaker 3:First of all, can you hear me?
Speaker 1:I can hear you. Yes, sir, okay you sound wonderful. You look gorgeous, by the way.
Speaker 3:I appreciate that. All right, I switched everything back to the original mic and the original camera and all of a sudden, everything works. Oh lo and behold. So I saw a clip of that video and it sure didn't look good and that was about all I needed to see of it, because I don't like bringing that level of negativity into my life. Yeah, so yeah, I watched about I don't know, maybe eight, ten seconds of it and I was like, oh, that's enough for me. So I didn't even know any of the back story, nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I said, they were taken to the hospital for some reason I'm not sure exactly what it was for Regardless a handcuffed person behind his back, a handcuffed person. There's no use of force that's, in my opinion, justified when you've got three, four corrections officers on him to begin with, multiple people standing around. Everybody that was in that room that held some sort of law enforcement credentials, in my opinion, need to burn for that. You didn't stop it, you didn't do anything in the moment. That was one that there needed to be action in the moment and there was nothing. Alan, did you see that there needed to be action in the moment and there was nothing? Alan, did you see that video? Only parts of it. Yeah, it's rough. Like, like I, physically, when I was watching that one, I got pissed off too, just sickened. You know, and I'm I'm not trying to like, I see a lot of bad shit, but knowing the fact that this dude's in cuffs and he can't defend himself made me sick. I was like this is fucking disgusting.
Speaker 3:So what was the catalyst for all of that?
Speaker 1:anyway, I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Everything was muted, you couldn't hear anything, so you don't know what was being said. But I mean, you just see this inmate taking it. I mean, um, going to some of the comments, tim said, uh, I was a corrections officer and the shit would, the shit we would catch just giving an inmate 10 minutes of extra tv.
Speaker 1:Those ceos need to be put under the jail. Well, if they put them in a jail, I can tell you right now, they won't last very long. Um, but I mean, and and here's where I want to dive a little deeper you know, the, the um, the POA or the FOP or their union, came out and they ought to. I mean, you rarely hear any sort of fraternal order of police or a police union or corrections union, whatever you want to call it speak publicly against their own guys. And they, I mean they came right out and were like no, we don't, we don't condone what he did. They are on their own Island. Like they need to be punished, like to hear that from another, from their own um, union is is huge, huge. It says it speaks volumes. Um, but here's, here's my problem watching that video. And you tell me frank, you tell me alan, you tell me in the in the, the listeners. When I watched that I saw a culture of policing that was internal like that.
Speaker 1:That was not a surprise to anybody in that room to learn behavior I mean, right, that wasn't like, oh my god, this guy just spit in my face, this guy just did this. It wasn't like a knee-jerk reaction to something that occurred to you. That was like this is what we do. That's how I seen that and and that I'm I'm speculating. I fully admit that and I don't like to speculate, but first and foremost, on this particular thing, fuck them Like they've earned nothing for me to give them benefit of the doubt at all. So, in that, the way that I saw that behavior and you guys tell me if you've seen the same thing like that is not something, that's not a one-off officer doing something that everybody's looking at. You're like what the fuck is a new guy doing?
Speaker 3:like that is something that they do well, if that was just a new guy and it wasn't accepted behavior, some old salty dog would have taken him out back and then beat him next to the dumpster Right and then ran it up the chain from there Like, hey, I already took care of it. But just so you know, this happened up the chain officially after it was taken care of, informally, that's how it? Used to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you guys are wondering what video we're talking about, look up the Robert Brooks video. Robert Brooks jail incident, robert Brooks police brutality, whatever you want to look it up, it wasn't a police, it was corrections officers. But for the sake of conversation we're just going to lump us all together. If you work for a sheriff's department, then you are kind of a jailer. So none of you are city cops. City cops, we don't do that stuff, guys.
Speaker 1:So Dre G said that definitely was not a first-time incident. That occurred there for sure. That's how I see it. I don't see that as a first-time incident. But going to the comments here Ray Montero, oh, I see Ray Ryan, I'm sorry. I see Ryan quite a bit on my LinkedIn. Uh, he's always commented, so thanks for jumping on buddy.
Speaker 1:Uh, is it better to come into the comment section on LinkedIn or YouTube? Um, I guess it doesn't. Either one works. But um, I personally, if I could migrate everybody to YouTube for simplicity, that's where I would take everybody. But I try to be the man of the people. If you guys are on LinkedIn and it's easier for you, try that. Mr Bill Fold, what's up, brother? He's always commenting and giving some good feedback, he said, except that video we all saw where the lady cop was choked by her boss on the scene when she tried to stop him from abusing a handcuffed subject. Yes, I know exactly what video you're talking about. I've actually talked about that one on here before. Um, she did the right thing, uh in, and the fact that that sergeant because it was a, do you remember that video frank did you ever see that one yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like my reaction was like holy shit. Like I can tell you, had I been unseen, I would have been stuck in that. Like what the fuck's happening? Like I may have been stuck for a second. My my initial loop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that my initial reaction probably wouldn't have been to separate them. It would have been like what the fuck's happening? Like, are they for? Like is this serious and are they playing? Are they? Yeah, it was just like some weird role play. I don't know. Is this serious? Are they playing? Yeah, is this like some weird role play? I don't know.
Speaker 1:But then I'm hoping, and I can only hope. It's like being involved in a shooting the first time that we had bullets flying around us. I've always wondered how I'd react and luckily, I moved forward. I didn't have a shot, but I moved forward. So I was very happy with myself afterwards, debriefing, like so what happened? Okay. So I was very happy with myself afterwards, you know, debriefing like so what happened? Okay? Well, we were there. All of a sudden, we heard shots zinging by us and we got behind cover and we pushed forward and we did this, we did that and I was like, oh shit, we went forward, like that's what you're supposed to do, um, and in that video I'm I'm hoping that I would, you know just like I would think I would be in a shooting like I'd hope I'd get in between them and ask that Sergeant, like what the fuck are you doing, dude? You trying to ruin your career? Like, get in between them? That's what you should be doing. Um, but yeah, that's, that's a good point. Um, sorry, going back through the comments here at least I thought it was there we go, I think.
Speaker 1:I think people see this and this is what makes people really scared of the police. It's because you know they see these types of things happen on TV and again, they may not be blatantly happening everywhere. Well, the problem with corrections is that's behind, that's out of sight, out of mind. That's my opinion. With corrections, you don't see that, you don't see the prisoners. You don't see any of them ever. I would. My guess would be that this is that's going to be the next evolution of the criminal justice system. You've got cops wearing body cameras. That was for the greater good. That's my opinion. Frank, you like your body cam? Oh, you don't have them. I forgot Largest agency in the state of arizona.
Speaker 2:That doesn't happen that is crazy to me, dude. I like I get panicky if I don't have my I wouldn't work without it.
Speaker 3:I had them in my previous agency and I loved them. Um, I was a supervisor there. I used it to get my guys, you know, out of false complaints of misconduct right. It was so nice to just be able to take that body on camera, upload it, show it and say, hey, what you said happened, 100% didn't happen, and this is how I know it.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, gotcha, tim, tim trying to help us out, smash that like button peeps. I like he's my hype guy. Um, we gotta get Tim on here One of these days. Uh, tim's got his mics and stuff. Tim is a citizen, so Tim is one of the. He's kind of like what we're doing. He's trying to call it bad cop behavior, but he's trying to show the good stuff and try to, you know, kind of be even keel. So it's just nice to have that somebody.
Speaker 1:That's outside of what we do, because, whether we want to admit it or not, as cops we do have a slight bias. Now if you're aware of it, you can try to counter it more. But the more you're involved in only being around cops and doing cop work and doing things like that, like you do, you tend to be in this little bias bubble. So he's one of the guys that helps keep me, even, keep me even. Mr Bill Fold said none of her fellow cops stopped it like they should have. If I had reversed, uno'd that sergeant for choking a woman in front of me as a civilian or bystander, I bet those cops would have used force on me. You're probably right, yep absolutely.
Speaker 1:You're probably right 100%.
Speaker 3:That's just the way that life goes. You just don't get to put your hands on cops, and it is our responsibility to police our own, and you just don't get to. And if you want to do it, go through the police academy and put on a badge and then take care of things from that side. But you don't get to do it from your side and that's just the way it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, unless a cop asks for you to help, and I've done that. I've done that. I've had a couple of good old country boys come over and help me. While I was wrestling with a dude. I had him. I just you know how it is, I'm not going to get him cuffed by myself. So I was like, well, let me get some weight on him. So I had these. They're like put the weight down on him and I got his arms behind his back. So it worked. Oh, sorry, I'm trying to go to. Somebody had a question here, discombobulated. He said why do cops say do as I say or I'll arrest you? Don't they understand that there has to be a law to back their order?
Speaker 3:Boy, that's a pretty gross generalization.
Speaker 1:Why do?
Speaker 3:cops say that A cop in an agency, in a state, every cop everywhere. I've never said that I've been a cop for 24 years. I think there's legal statements like hey, put your hands behind your back or hey, stop doing that, but do as I say or I'll arrest you as a pretty gross overstatement.
Speaker 1:I have heard it. I've heard that on some videos. You know that we'll, we'll, you know, do a reaction to or whatever you know. Um, here's where I have seen it, where an officer is trying to use discretion. He's got enough to arrest, but he doesn't want to, and he's trying to tell you hey, I need you to come over here, do this, so we can hurry up and get this figured out, so I can get everybody on their way. If you don't, I'll just place you under arrest and we can solve a lot of time right here, right now. So that is one way.
Speaker 1:Then there's the other way, where cops are just idiots and they think they know the law and they're wrong, and they're like give me your ID or I'll arrest you. That's not how that works. You know, if you have a lawful reason to get their ID, awesome. But like the video that I had shared not too long ago, a homeless guy in the park, somebody accused him of sleeping on the bench. They get there and he's not asleep. And then the officer's like, well, I need your ID. And they get there and he's not asleep. And then the officer's like, well, I need your id, and he's like no, what, what law have I broken? What have I done that you need my id? And he's right, you don't have a reason to his id and the officers were leaning on this fact that they were called there. I was called there, so I get to, I get to get your id.
Speaker 1:Now, that's not how that fucking works. If, If it was, then shit Like, anytime there's somebody that you suspect of anything, you just have somebody call it in. Hey, give me a phone call over there. You don't think the cops would abuse the shit out of that, like that's the reason why that's not a law. So, yes, I understand what you're saying. Banning, who could not be here tonight, guys, because he's out on a vacation, but he is joining in on the chat, so what's up?
Speaker 3:I'm on vacation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly, banning Jeez, you know he's out there gambling. That's what he does. He's a degenerate gambler, always just slot machining it up. He's like look at one, four grand, look at one, two grand. Look, I'm getting in trouble with his taxes right now.
Speaker 1:Adonis Aris, these cops are full of shit, bro. Which cops? Which ones exactly? Adonis, um chat, please make your comments more concise. Avoid the gotcha questions. You don't really want answers. Um your comments more concise. Avoid the gotcha questions. You don't really want answers. Yeah, that would help If you're new to the channel and you're wondering, like, what we do here.
Speaker 1:We talk about the good that cops do, we talk about the bad that cops do and we'll give you honest answers from the best that we know. Now you're always getting cops from around the world Well, around the nation, not around the world on this show with us. Now, I'm a Texas cop. I was a cop in Michigan. Frank, you're Arizona, but you've been in other places too, other states, no, no, just Arizona, so Arizona. And then Allen, texas, texasas. And we've got other people on the show that are regulars. Um, trey mosley, he's a california cop. Um, banning, uh was texas and I think he was another state, uh. And then let me see who else we got um, matt thornton. Um, he's a chicago area cop. And then, uh, daniel carr, who was new mexico and, I think, colorado, and Daniel has his law degree. Now he's doing that instead. So we've got some good, well-rounded people on here. We're working on an East Coast cop right now. We're trying to get involved with the show.
Speaker 1:But somebody said Mr Belfort, I know we don't have moderators and Eric is troll-proof. However, those of us who value this reserve the right to flame you trolls. Hey, flame them, go for it. Yeah, the trolls, you're not going to get me. But yeah.
Speaker 1:Dre G said implicit biases are a real thing. I believe that. I think there are some biases that you have you're not aware of, but once somebody makes you aware of it, it's no longer implicit. Now you're aware of it, now you got to work to actively combat it. And then let me see here, going down through the comments guys, give me a second here.
Speaker 1:I investigated a call so you had to ID.
Speaker 1:The situation is a big part of the 350 million calls, bro.
Speaker 1:So it is, it is.
Speaker 1:It's one of the most common videos that's sent to me of officers demanding ID because they were called to the scene and I think that is a training failure across the nation, that we just have to keep putting these videos out, these reaction videos, and that's going to be the best way, because who follows Frank, who follows me, who follows a lot of the cops that we have here, a lot of other cops, and I guarantee there's going to be a cop that's sitting there and is going to be like shit. I was never trained that way. I didn't know that. I was trained by my FTO who did it every day. I just think it's a cultural thing in policing, but things like First Amendment auditors have made us well aware of the gaps in our training. So, as much as some people hate first amendment auditors, I really appreciate the work that they've done because they showed a huge gap in our training and it's been like there's a lot of great training out now because of what they did. Now there are some asshole first amendment orders.
Speaker 4:They get on my nerves.
Speaker 1:They get on my nerves. They're just out there trying to win money. They don't did that out there for the message. They're not out there to try to improve policing. They're out there to make money. So be aware of that. Oh, what happened, frank? Did the ghost get you? I can still hear you, are you all right? Yep, yep, we can hear you. You look like something suddenly just happened to you. You're like I lost all audio so I couldn't oh, you couldn't hear us for a second.
Speaker 3:I couldn't hear anything, so I gotcha uh, you know, you know how, um, you know how those those first amendment auditors get money is by cops violating their rights because they don't know the law. Like it's no secret that you there's just some people that they're gonna poke the bear, and like you don't get a bonus for iding people. Like who cares? Man, I can't make eye of your ID. No, okay, hey, have a great day.
Speaker 1:Like who cares? The problem where cops get themselves in trouble is they get the ego and they double down when they're in the wrong and when they double down and they're wrong, and that's, you know, inflated by that ego, because they're so used to people just doing what they say, which is 99% of their calls, and the moment they hit a little bit of resistance, somebody that knows more, then they get butthurt over it. Shout out to my brother-in-law, Brian Knieke, retired homicide detective. Retired homicide detective, and he was a Michigan cop and then he was a Florida cop and he is a inspiration to my policing career. I'll give you a short, little quick story about Brian. I'm in college, Okay he's. I think he was married by that time to my wife's sister and he took me on a ride along.
Speaker 1:But it was like a operation, Like they were following these known car burglars who were breaking into funerals During funerals. They were going to the funeral home and punching windows and taking purses. So we follow these guys. We got like six cars. We're leapfrogging down the freeway following them. We watch them go get a newspaper. They're looking at obituaries in the paper. They stop it behind this donut shop of all places, and so I get to pretend like I'm going inside to get donuts so we act like we're part of the area, come back out, they take off, they go hit this funeral home.
Speaker 1:We got to watch them actually commit the crime, Um, and then we go in for the takedown and they ran and it was crazy. It was like a fun, fun little uh thing for a criminal justice you know student to go through knowing that he's going to go be a cop and uh, yeah, that was my first like craziness is uh in police working's because of brian. So thanks, buddy. Um, I've tried to get him on the show tonight. It's like you got a mic and a webcam.
Speaker 1:He's like no he's like I stopped my only fans, so he's got some gorgeous feet. What can you do?
Speaker 2:um, gotta make money somewhere yeah.
Speaker 1:Montero said if you really want to talk about police corruption, I was Baltimore police officer and supervisor during the Gun Trace Task Force scandal. We own this city and the wire, I guess and guess what happened? Oh shit, it was so bad. Nobody wants to talk about it. No shit. It sounds like we got to get Montero on this show. We got to talk about that. Get Montero on this show. We got to talk about that. Mr Belfold's still getting on me about qualified immunity. We're going to get it, I promise. I want it to be the perfect episode. I've got my people. We're just trying to get the timeline worked out. I promise we're going to hit qualified immunity. He said we never talked about it but part of the problem that Frank contributed to the conversation. Damn it. What'd you do? I clicked on something, I think, to the conversation Special privileges for LAOs who can't be bothered to know. The Fourth Amendment, the inequity causes more distrust.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm not sure what inequity you're talking about. If you're talking about a person going going hands-on with another person versus a cop's going hands-on with another person, there is. Here's where we can have a conversation, mr Belford, if you agree that cops have certain powers that citizens do not, and that that is how it should be and that's how it is, then we can have a conversation. Where the conversation ends is when you think a conversation. Where the conversation ends is when you think a citizen has all the same exact rights and privileges that a cop has. That's not true and that's not how that works. The reason being is because we have to go through specialized training, get certifications, do all of these things to have those powers that we're allowed to have.
Speaker 3:And we're held to a higher standard by society, right as a result of. So, with that privilege of not all of those rules applying to us, we're also held to a higher standard because if Mr Belfold got arrested for DUI tonight, it wouldn't make national news. But if I get arrested for DUI tonight, it's going to news. But if I get arrested for DUI tonight, it's going to. I'm held to a higher standard.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You'll lose your job.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah and I'm yeah, you'll lose your job.
Speaker 1:And are there certain things where citizens have a lot more rights than us? Yes, is there certain times when cops have a lot more rights than you? Yes, if I'm on a call and my red and blues and my emergency sirens are going, like I can speed. There's a lot of things that I can do. I can go higher than the speed limit. You know, responding to a call versus other people. Like I can park my car in places that you can't. When I'm going to a call, if I've got somebody stealing from Walmart this is a common one we park right next to the damn building. So when we transport that person out, we're right there. So there's certain things we're allowed to do.
Speaker 1:Now to your point. What I think is more important, mr Billfold, is when cops aren't on a call and they are abusing their authority and they are parking wherever the hell they want and doing stuff like that. Like I get that and I'm with you. So, um sorry, I'm going back through here um, I told, I told matt this one time good cops can't be baited or instigated. Yeah, I think, I think, uh, and what makes them a good cop? That can't be baited or instigated? Yeah, I think. What makes them a good cop. That can't be baited or instigated is time and experience and confidence in their training. That's another one. Cops get themselves in a lot of trouble when their training is shitty. Because I can see it, I'll watch a video and 10 seconds in I'm like he's already hit his wall of what he knows to do. Have you seen those, frank? Absolutely Were. You just watching and you see the training just hit a wall.
Speaker 1:How do you guys articulate body language, behavioral responses to extend a traffic stop If you don't have a canine available during the time frame of the routine traffic stop? So how do I articulate body language and behavioral responses? I guess it just depends on what's going on. But let's say I pull them over and I'm just going to give hypotheticals and I notice the right leg and arm is up over pushing against the center console, like for me that's a big red flag. Most people sit in the center of their seat. They don't sit kind of cockeyed to the side. A lot of times when people do that, they're trying to hide something directly between what's in the center console and their seat, which is usually a gun or some dope. So you need combinations of these red flags and I'm going to let Frank go off on this in a second because I know he's going to destroy this. So for me, that is one.
Speaker 1:Asking questions with questions, that's another thing. It's not one single red flag that makes me want to dig further. It's a multitude, and I'll see the guy shifted. He doesn't really move his right arm. Most people are the. It's not one single red flag that makes me want to dig further. It's a. It's a multitude, and you know I'll see the guy shifted. He doesn't really move his right arm. Most people are right-handed.
Speaker 1:I'll ask for an id and they kind of t-rex it and they're doing all this, doing everything they can to use their forearm to block my view from something. So that's, that's an indicator. Um, asking questions with questions, that's another one. Hey man, hey man, do you got your ID? I do have my ID. Um, like that, that is a common thing that people will do to try to get. They're trying to think, they're trying to figure out how they're going to get out of whatever it is they're trying to get out of. Um, I'll ask them, you know, from these indicators hey, do you have any weapons or or drugs in the car? And then again. You're going to see their reaction.
Speaker 1:Most people, even though they think they're good at lying, they're not. We see lies constantly, all day long. Even people that are 100% innocent, they will lie to you. It's weird, you know like, hey, how are you doing today? Where are you coming from? Oh, I'm just driving to work. And then a little bit later in the conversation, like yeah, I was headed home to get some milk and I thought you're going to work. Well, yeah, well, I got. You know, I just got flustered. Okay, just how it is.
Speaker 3:But Frank for you, man, you handle that question Um, interdiction, which is typically when you'd be waiting for a canine? Um, is not my primary focus. I've taken some interdiction classes um, guys that do it for a living, guys that spend their time on the highways watching the movement of cars? Um, you know the there's cops sitting in the in the center median um that are watching cars go by, and all of those. You know just the movement of a vehicle that draws someone's attention before they do a traffic stop, all of the questions and answers and changing of answers or vague answers.
Speaker 3:License plate readers are a big asset. Obviously, lprs are a big deal. Where you know I'm in, I'm in Arizona, so I-10 runs. You know'm in, I'm in arizona, so i-10 runs. You know north and south, technically east and west, but north and south in my area. Um, you know and we know where vehicles go because we have license plate readers.
Speaker 3:So if a license plate reader saw you in phoenix, you know, two hours ago, and you're like, hey, where are you coming from? And you're like, well, I'm coming from tucson. Like, well, you're not you, you're in I. I know, I have proof that what you're saying is lying. Um, along with all of those non-verbal indicators, the, the small lies, the um compounding lies, all of those help to build that case and it's very specific, case by case Um. You know, each individual has different cues or clues, um that we're looking at. So I mean there's there's a lot that goes into interdiction work and I mean hats off to the guys that do it, because they're they're rock stars at um at reading body language and knowing when people are lying to them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kingslayer, to Damocles Damocles, I don't know how to say that, I'll just say Kingslayer. He said society holds cops to a lower standard. Ignorance of the law is a literal excuse for police and it's not an excuse for citizenry. So I'll push back a little bit. There's a major difference of ignorance of law as I didn't know, versus here's the law I'm trying to enforce and the courts don't interpret it the same way. So I think that is the good faith grace that is given in police work, because, guess what, it doesn't matter what law you enforce, at the end of the day, even if it's textbook, black and white, clear as day, still has to go to court, still has to be interpreted by a prosecutor and a defense and it still has to be judged. So even if you have that law 100% nailed and you're like I know, this law still has to go to court and there can always be some weird way that some great defense attorney can argue it and then all of a sudden a new precedence is set. So it isn't ignorance of the law, it's. We go to court and now we fight because this is how I interpreted that law as a police officer. We get the Reader's Digest version of being lawyers. That's what a cop is. It's the Reader's Digest version. We are not lawyers, so we have to understand the elements of an offense and then we go off of that. Well, here's the elements that I'm seeing. Okay, cool, it looks like it fits this law.
Speaker 1:I'm going to put this one here. That's how I'm going to do it. I'm going to push it to a prosecutor and if the prosecutor accepts it, then I must have something to it. It must be somewhat right, cause the prosecutor accepted. If he doesn't now, the charge just got dropped, cause we do fuck up, we are wrong. It's happened. It's happened to me thinking I knew what I was talking about and I was wrong. But that is police work. That's how it is. It's not ignorance of the law. Um, harrison brock said cops are easy to deal with. I say here's my license papers. I invoke my right to remain silent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, totally fine, absolutely perfect. Yep, absolutely perfect every time more than likely.
Speaker 1:If you say that to me, I'm gonna give you a fist bump. I'm gonna be like good for you, bro. Like I, I respect somebody that knows their rights and I don't even question you on anything. After that I'm like all right, I'm gonna go handle my business, I'm gonna come back. You didn't want a small talk, that's fine. Small talks will get you in trouble if you're a criminal, but if you're just a regular joe, like small talks, fine um, there's a lot of times we want them to choose that right yeah yeah, I'm sure sometimes they have the right and not the ability.
Speaker 3:The ability correct correct.
Speaker 1:That's the old uh, what's that comedian ron white joke? Right, I had the right to remain silent, but I did not have the ability. No, that's a good point, but to what was that again? King Demon Slayer. King Slayer, I understand what you're saying, though I mean, that is, there does seem to be times where cops don't seem to be held to this, to a higher standard Seems like it's a lower one, but I would, I would argue, um for this, this particular comment.
Speaker 1:When we screw up, I kind of went backwards, I'm sorry, but um, something else that came to mind on this particular comment. When we screw up, I kind of went backwards, I'm sorry, but something else that came to mind on this particular comment when we screw up as cops, even when we do something right, but it kind of looks like it could be bad at first, you're going to have the media, you're going to have your own department. You're probably going to have a secondary department, like the state police. If you're not a state police, um, possibly the doj. Uh, you're gonna have all of these different eyes looking at you and you're gonna have the community. So you're gonna have community outreach, you're gonna have all of these eyes city council, you know, just depends on the politics of where you're at. You're gonna have politicians looking, you're gonna have all these different eyes. So that is a higher standard just in itself, just in the eyes of any time you screw up. So I don't agree with you that it's a lower standard at all. Are there? I won't mention where I work, but you guys can figure it out. I've seen somebody fired, charged, every year that I've been there. That's just one. I know there's been years where there's been multiple, but every year that I've been there, that's just one agency. That's what I'm trying to say is it happens all the time. You just never hear about it. Why don't you hear about it? Because nobody gives a shit about cops doing their job, doing what they're supposed to do, holding other cops accountable. So it happens a lot. Um, let me see here.
Speaker 1:Montero said mr billfold isn't trying to have a conversation, he's being a dick at this point. I didn't. I didn't see what he said. No, he's, he's mr billfold's. Fine, he, he does. He gets a little passionate. But but, um, I watched Frank videos. Dude is unfazed. He don't play games with someone. He pulls over, he gets to the point, handles it like a professional sends them on their way. My one of my favorites is um, I need your, I need your ID and I need it now, or something like that. And then the person goes to talk. He's like this is not a debate. I'm going to tell you one more time I need your ID, or I'm going to put my hands on you. Here's your.
Speaker 3:ID. Super easy, man, it's super easy.
Speaker 2:Give me what I need. This is not up for conversation.
Speaker 1:It's not a back and forth, right? Oh, mr Balele gave me a suggestion here. Eric, for your QI panel, look into Jay Schwickert, police analyst in Cato Institute Project on Criminal Justice. Okay, cool, send me a direct message on that if you could. Or, alan, if you could write that one down and save it for later. I'm working on it. Cool, that way I can look into that person. Somebody said question from front license plate was stolen ticket or theft report?
Speaker 3:It should be a theft report. It's only a ticket if you know who stole it, because then it's theft.
Speaker 1:And yeah, yeah, sorry. You guys know I don't have a moderator so I'm going through the. I'm behind on all the comments so if I miss it and you're like he didn't answer this one, I'm not avoiding you. It's just the more popular we get, the more people we got on here. Kaniki said the problem with today's policing is the lack of useful tactical training. Too many communities now require this touchy-feely training that does no one any good on the streets. I have seen that firsthand be a problem. Oh, so I want Tim. I just made a phone call. We are working right now to talk about Uvalde because we have a person that was involved in the investigation that's retiring in a month and we're going to get that person. So we're going to wait a month and we're going to try to get that dude lined up so they can say whatever the hell they want and they don't have to worry about it. Ocean Girl said Frank, when you stop someone for speeding and you say it happens, that sounds to me like you are absolving the speeder of.
Speaker 3:Oh, it happens. Speeding happens. People do it, everyone speeds. I'm not there to chastise them, I'm not there to read them the riot act. They did it, it happens. What also happens is you get issued a citation because that also happens. I'm not absolving them of anything because I'm holding them responsible by giving them a citation, but I don't need to sit there and kick them while they're down. So I guess it's just something I say.
Speaker 1:I think it's a good de-escalation tactic. Nobody likes being pulled over by the cops and if you can get them to smile and make light of it or whatever you know, just take their mind off of the seriousness of it, because end of the day it is kind of serious. Your insurance is going to go up, you know you're going to have to go to court, um, unless you just don't fight it and like it's pain.
Speaker 3:So, um, voiceover it's also it's also one of the biggest catalysts to to, um, fatal collisions is speed. So it is not a big deal until it is a big deal and then, when it's a big deal, it's a really big deal. So, um, but the de-escalation is is definitely a uh, you know it's. It's a technique that I try to use as much as I can yeah, um, freeman keys.
Speaker 1:No, you weren't blown off, but I didn't see it. Sorry, but we're going to get Frank's Instagram heavy message directly for whatever that was. I missed it. Cops, cops, cocks, whatever Kick people's doors because a visitor to their home has an arrest warrant, but they never get charged with breaking and entering. Cops kick in people's doors because a visitor to their home has an arrest warrant. Well, it's only if they know for a fact that that person is inside and that person is wanted. So it's not just because and that person is wanted, so it's not just because. But no, you're not going to get charged Again. This is one of those things that cops have a right to do. You do not that often. Look, it is fancy.
Speaker 3:I like that.
Speaker 1:This camera is throwing me off. This is the hard part for some people. This is where a lot of debate comes in, because if you are of the opinion that you should have all the rights and the same stuff that cops can do, we don't really have common ground to start from, because that's just not true. That's not how it should be, in my opinion, and that's not how it is. That's reality. That's not how it is. That's reality. That's not how it is. So if that's what you expect, your expectations are not going to be met, and that's where you're going to have discourse. Municipalities paid 99.9% of all claims where cops have lost qualified immunity and were found guilty. There is no risk oh, I lost it. Uh, there's no risk of cops loses their house If a jury is allowed to actually do their jobs. That's a qualified immunity thing. Not going to get into it? Um, cause I just I don't have the expertise. Guys, I'm going to be up here talking out of my ass. I refuse to talk out of my ass. I can tell you how I feel, but you don't give a shit about how I feel. How I feel doesn't mean shit.
Speaker 1:So having a visitor with a warrant is not an exigent circumstance. You have a wanted individual. It depends on what they're wanted for. Is it a felony warrant? Is it a misdemeanor warrant? Now you start getting into totality of circumstances. Is it a felony warrant? Is it a misdemeanor warrant? Now you start getting into totality of circumstances. Is it a violent felon? Was it in hot pursuit? What was it? No, I would agree, Not every time.
Speaker 1:Is it an exigent circumstance? Just depends. Is it a small department? Is it a large department? Do they have the resources to wait set up, get a perimeter talk this person out of the house? Do they have the resources to wait set up, get a perimeter talk this person out of the house? Do they know that he went in the home? Did they see it? And now the person's not coming out? These are all factors. It's what makes it hard about talking about a topic and not having specifics. Here's a good one for Frank. How do you guys articulate? It's from Adam Daniels. How do you guys articulate it's from Adam Daniels? How do you guys articulate body language, behavior, response? We already did this one.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Fuck it, pay attention.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I was taking notes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, son of a bitch.
Speaker 2:One job.
Speaker 1:Tim said sovereign citizen, I'm not speeding, I'm traveling quickly. The best response I've heard to sovereign citizens when they say that I was traveling is okay, look down at your steering column there. What's that D stand for? Automatically win you automatically won. What's the D stand for there? Drive you were driving, yeah, but we are. We're way in too deep.
Speaker 1:We were supposed to talk about the thing and then get into the video, so we're going to get into what we do for the Bodycam Live Reviews. If you're new to this, what we do is we got a bunch of videos pulled up. All of these ones are coming from Police Activity YouTube channel, so we're going to pull those guys up and please like, subscribe, do all the things with police activity. We pretty much get every video we show from these guys. They seem to have everything, um. But what we are going to do is we're going to show a video, we're going to pause it frequently and let you guys talk and chat about it, um. So that is kind of the fun you get to see how a cop views a call while the call is happening, not after the fact. We have not watched these videos. I don't think If we have, while we're watching it, we notice that we've seen this one before.
Speaker 1:We'll bow out is going to go through, but this is the time to be interactive, ask questions. You know, critique why did the cops do this? They should have done this, they did whatever, but it's just kind of a cool way to get into the mindset of how police training is similar. But we all have different ways to get to the same goal. So, enjoy, have fun with us guys. We're going to go first one here. We're gonna. Are you doing it or am I doing? Alan? I can do it if you want. All right, if you think you can. You got to share the screen, though, bud well, that helps yep, nope, hit share this tab instead.
Speaker 1:bam there you go, bam there you go.
Speaker 6:Step over there, man.
Speaker 4:Thanks, sir.
Speaker 6:Put on my bumper. What you doing back over there at Dollar General?
Speaker 5:I came from behind right here, I didn't ask you that what are you doing at the Dollar?
Speaker 6:General.
Speaker 5:I was coming from behind here, sir, I wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 3:I'm just standing up there by the ice machine.
Speaker 5:It's Christmas.
Speaker 1:Okay, so far, the body language is throwing me off. What do you got, frank?
Speaker 3:If the first thing you say is I didn't do anything wrong, you probably did something wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not a common response. Common response for somebody that truly did anything wrong is like can I help you, officer, hey?
Speaker 3:what's up?
Speaker 1:What's up? Yeah, that is truly a common response for somebody that is completely oblivious why the cops are coming up to them.
Speaker 2:Well, any of us that are parents, the first thing we ask our kids about what they did wrong. They look at us. I didn't do it.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, that's funny. All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 2:I know what day it is.
Speaker 6:Don't stand here, and blow smoke at my ass.
Speaker 3:You know you're trespassed from there, you've been told multiple times.
Speaker 5:I just walked through. I didn't even go in the store.
Speaker 3:You can't be on the property.
Speaker 5:Yes, sir, I'm going to my mom's.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go to my mom.
Speaker 5:Turn around, put your hands on that.
Speaker 2:Sir, I'm going to go to my mom.
Speaker 5:Put your hands on that bump.
Speaker 1:Okay, so he is a known person to be trespassed from that place and the officer saw him with his own eyes, this person on the property. Now I'm going to give you my training and experience in this. I'm going to guess that they had called previously about him being on property, so that's why they were around the area. But in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal Later, mr Belfold. So I'm going to say that that's why he was out there and happened to see the dude Shit. He probably is the one that trespassed himself and knew. But in this case, because he went on the property and he had a criminal trespass warning, now it's automatic you go to jail, so, and that's just being on the property. So where they're off of a road, um, so because they're off the road, they're on a private driveway that belongs to that business. That counts as their property, so he doesn't have to be physically inside the store. But oh shit, what did we get here?
Speaker 1:Tim Owens, he said I love these types of conversations with police officials, more importantly, the cops on the street and the citizens and the Citizen Day police. I think every city and state should start something like this. I agree. Thank you very much for the contribution, tim. We appreciate that brother helps keep us going. But in this right here, right now, we have enough to put this guy in cuffs and start. Start the process, frank, what do you?
Speaker 3:got Same thing. I mean, if it again, I didn't do anything wrong, but the LEO already saw him on the property. You don't have to be in a store, you have to be on their property. And if you're over there by the ice machine or you're behind the store, you're on their property. So you're trespassing. You don't have to, just you have to go in through. You know points of sale or anything. Like you do. I, like you, have to worry about, you know shoplifting. So he did something wrong. He knew he did something wrong. The first words out of his mouth were I didn't do anything wrong. Like this is a pretty cut and dry man. You you know to realize that the order for trespass was serious. Like hey, look, there's repercussions and this is what it is. You go to jail.
Speaker 1:Appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Let me ask this question from you guys. This just came up recently locally, so does the LEO have to see them on the property?
Speaker 1:Yes, the LEO needs to see them on the property.
Speaker 3:yes, uh, the leo needs to see them on the property.
Speaker 1:Um well, unless there's video, or unless there's video, correct um, but that's going to have to be readily available within a reasonable amount of time during the investigation. Um and and again, this is what makes this is what I want people to understand Me. I'm in a major city 1 to 1.2 million people. I don't have time for this. If I can get out of this arrest, I'm going to get out of this arrest. It has nothing to do with this dude, the store, whatever it is. But I may go over to that store and be like, hey, we saw the guy on the property. How do you want us to handle this? Try to give him that, because if there's 30 calls holding, that's a reasonable like that's realistic in my life, like there could be 30 calls holding. And now I got to tie up one or two guys to go take this dude to jail for criminal trespass and that's all I end up getting. But you go to a smaller town and this is the first call of the night. This is the only call of the night.
Speaker 2:So many times we go on this call and after we've already got them in cuffs, they're like oh, I don't want to press charges, I just don't want them here anymore. It's like you've already done this, like then. Why did you call us?
Speaker 1:yeah, um, ed eddie neal said how do I send you stars? Is this the way? I think that is in YouTube. I think YouTube is where you send us the stars at. Eddie, if you can make your way over to our YouTube channel at 2Cops1Donut, you should be able to do that. But in this, once you start, once you get them right now, the vibe I'm getting and you guys tell me this he's put himself In a position where I don't feel like he's going to let me grab him. Like that's the vibe I'm getting. I'm getting rabbit vibes already. Like he didn't, I didn't do nothing. It looked like he was continuing to back up. I couldn't tell, but that's just kind of the vibe. Let's play a little bit more and see where it goes.
Speaker 5:I'm not trespassed. I'm not trespassed. You can go ask him, Sir. You can ask him. I'm not trespassed, sir. I promise you. I didn't do anything sir.
Speaker 1:He's already resisting when I grab your hands. The only actions that should happen from here is it should start to come behind your back. It should be a very loose feeling. He is bringing his arms back in front of him. It's very hard for you guys to see man, oh, cementkite80 became a level one member. Thank you, appreciate you so much. That's awesome. This is how it starts, and frank had to buy him and he probably had to pee. He's old. What is it? What's the prostate? His prostate is probably enlarged so he has to pee more frequently.
Speaker 1:But, um, this is one of the things in use of force that I want people to understand why cops act the way they do sometimes. This right now, I would have slammed this dude that's me personally and you're gonna. Well, that's fucked up. Why would you do that? Why? Because if I slam him and give so a little bit of overwhelming force right now and get him to the ground, it's very likely that's all that I'm gonna need to do. I'm gonna get his hands behind his back and I'm going to affect the arrest. But if I start to do the dance spin around with this guy now, more things start to happen. He starts to throw a fist, he builds a little confidence and then end up let's just say, just end up tasing him. Well, now I tased him. That's a higher use of force. I just used more force than if I had just taken him down and then affected the arrest there. So it's a weird concept to some people when you try to tell them like I would have used a lot of force right here so I didn't have to use more force later because it's justified. This guy, can I talk him into cuffs? So you gotta know, like this guy, this officer seems like he's by himself. So maybe using his words is the way to do it, but he is. He's resisting him turning his body back towards the cops when he's trying to put his arms behind his back is. Is that's how this is going? Um country girl said it isn't. Isn't it natural to tense up when somebody grabs you? Yes, so there's the whole.
Speaker 1:In jujitsu we call it the push pull principle. So if I push your arm towards your body, your natural instinct is to push it away. If I pull your arm towards me, your natural instinct is to pull it away. So you're constantly playing the push pull principle away. So you're constantly playing the push-pull principle. Um, what is not natural is when I go to put your arms behind your back and then you start to pull that away and keep turning. As I tell you again, it takes a little time. I'm going to give you that initial reaction. Most people don't like to have be touched or put their arm behind their back, so I'm going to give you the initial reaction.
Speaker 2:But this turning towards the officer right here, that's where it becomes unnatural well, and you know when you said you were you're going to slam them on the hood. It's also using the hood as leverage. It's, yes, you're, you're forcefully doing it, but it's also intentionally to get the job done and go to work. And, and you know, you use aggression. You know aggression I don't think it's the right word aggressiveness to make that happen really quickly.
Speaker 1:So there is less of a fight yeah, um, montero said eric, chill bro, if you slam anyone, you might be the content of matt thornton's. That's very possible. That's very possible. Um, but uh, listen, if I'm taking you to the ground, there's, there's a reason, um, and so miscombobulation, discombobulated, discombobulated added to this why do you think you can slam someone to the ground for trespassing excessive?
Speaker 1:I don't think I can. What I think I can slam someone to the ground for trespassing Excessive? I don't think I can. What I think I can do is, when I tell you you are under arrest, put your hands behind your back and you do nothing else. You do anything else but what I've just told you. That is where we have to start having the conversation of going to the ground. Now, where I'm going to keep articulating is I'm going to be talking hey, put your hands behind your back. I'm trying to put your hands behind your back and you are turning towards me. I'm going to be having these conversations because, as long as I have wrist control, I'm a pretty confident guy. That is very jujitsu oriented. So for me, I'm not too worried about this. But what I am worried about is if a hand gets free or anything like that. Um, but as you can, I'm telling you it just depends how tense they are. I can't feel this guy, so I'm just telling you the potential of things I would do.
Speaker 2:Um it looks to me I feel like, once I get my hands on them, I I feel more comfortable that I'm to the process of de-escalation, because up until the point that the body contact is made, there's still flight risk and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I discombobulate. I see what you're saying. Yes, if you just leave it at, you know it was for trespass and you slammed them. Now that sounds bad, but that's different, that's just that's. You know it was for trespass and you slammed them. Now that sounds bad.
Speaker 3:But that's different, that's just that's. Hey, you woke up to someone, hey, you're trespassing, and then you leg sweep them.
Speaker 3:That's not what this is. This is. Hey, you've made contact, You've advised them that they've committed a crime, You've advised them that they're under arrest. They you go hands on and then they pull away. You're no longer just trespassing now. So you know, I think you're. It's a, it's a gross. You're being pretty negligent in that you know, topic of conversation. They're discombobulated with just tossing someone. Slamming someone for trespassing. That's not what it is. In In Arizona, resisting is a felony. So you've now taken a misdemeanor, which is what trespassing is, and when I put my hands on you and you physically, you know try to resist me, placing you under arrest. Now you've committed a felony. So I'm not slamming you for committing a misdemeanor of trespassing, I'm slamming you for committing the felony of resisting arrest. Yeah, so, and is that excessive? Absolutely not. And if you think so, I don't know what to tell you Don't trespass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh Jesus. What would my mom say?
Speaker 5:I'm seeing people praise her.
Speaker 1:I don't tend to. Someone grabs me, I pull away, I swing in defense or sometimes scream it's my mom, uh, I don't. That's why I don't touch my mom, I don't want to get hit. She's left-handed and she has a big ass wedding ring on her finger, so thing cuts. But yeah. So again, I want to. I want to. I want to make it clear it isn't just because of trespassing, it's because because, hey, you trespass from there. You know you're trespassed from there. Turn around, you're under arrest. I'm going to put these cuffs on you. I grab ahold of you, you start turning. Don't turn on me, stop, put your hands behind your back. You are under arrest. You are not free to Like. This is the conversation, all meanwhile, while this guy is starting to turn towards you and what I'm going to assume is he's about to start fighting. So let's play a little bit more, sir.
Speaker 5:Please, please, please, please, please, please. I didn't do anything. You can ask him. You can ask him, sir, I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything.
Speaker 1:Pause, okay, I'm not a striker. I don't do anything. Pause, okay, I'm not a striker. I don't hit people. That's my grappling background In a use of force. Continuum, if you will. Is that allowed, frank? I'll let you go first.
Speaker 3:I am not a use of force expert by any stretch of the imagination, I'm also not a big striker, but I think that he's already shown a propensity towards not listening to lawful commands. You've already gone hands on, there's already been a struggle, you've already gone down to the ground. He's already, you know, I, I think a strike at this point, um, as a way to maybe, um, you know, get the oodaloop back up and running right might might be I think I think you're there um, since the you know all of your, your joint locks or, you know, manipulation didn't exactly work. So maybe a hard, hard, empty hand might be appropriate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm in.
Speaker 1:This is where we get into the weeds, so I'm not going to Monday morning quarterback an officer that's trying to make an arrest alone. So is a strike allowed by most use of force? Continuums here yes, so he's, within that reason, reasonable use of force. Is it how I would do it? No, my grappling skill level is way up here, so I don't need to. I never, like I said, I don't strike people, I don't need to. So is he allowed to do what he just did?
Speaker 1:He gave one strike and he immediately tried to go in to grab a hand to continue. He didn't just sit there and beat the shit out of the dude. It wasn't a punishment thing, it was boom, and literally we call it a distraction strike because, like Mike Tyson said, everybody's got a plan until they get hit in the mouth. And the reason he said that is because you could be thinking to do something the moment you get hit. Everything you was just thinking about, like for this guy, pull my hands in and try to roll to my stomach. He's not going to be thinking that for a second, so it's a good time. Throw a strike, try to get the hand behind the back, so that's pretty common. So he's trying to get that hand behind the back. So that that's pretty common. Um, so he's trying to get that hand right now after throwing that strike.
Speaker 1:I don't recommend it personally. Officers, if you're out there listening punching people in the face, it's going to hurt your hand and it may get the desired effects. It may not, but you're going to break your hands. You're punching uh, uh with boxing gloves on and all that because I've trained in boxing and stuff Like. When you punch somebody it messes your hands up for sure. But he was giving verbal commands, told them give me your hand, roll on your stomach all this stuff. And he's not listening. So he did deliver one strike.
Speaker 1:But let's go to the comments real quick, because I know this is going to get people riled up. So Tim said the punch to the face, I think, is uncalled for. You got to remember again. I'm not making excuses for him, it's not for me, it's not something I would do, but it's one of the things. Can you? Yes, I think in this instance he can. He's allowed to by policy and everything, and then it goes into the. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. That could be argued For me. Like I said, my confidence level and my training ability is high, especially in this instance, like we're on the ground, the takedown was wonderful. He actually gave him a very gentle takedown into the grass. That's ideal. That's what you look for. Country Girl said he's pleading, seems more like fear than aggression. I don't disagree, but he's resisting. I have seen plenty of people apologizing as they pull a gun and shoot a cop. Yep.
Speaker 1:So when I watch use of force videos you guys know this by now when I was a use of force analyzer for my department, I watched the first time through muted, because I don't care what you're saying, I care what you're doing. It's what your body language is doing. That's what I care about, matter of fact. Let's do that. I'm going. You're doing. It's what your body language is doing. That's what I care about. Matter of fact, let's do that. I'm going to go back. We're going to go here. We're going to mute it. I kind of want you guys to see what I mean. We'll play. Let me go to the Now. You guys got an advantage. You know what he said. I want you to watch the body language. Though he's turning Pretty gentle takedown.
Speaker 1:What's the hands doing? He's trying to get back up. Boom Punches him. Now he's trying to get that hand behind its back. These are the things I've seen. He's pushing the head down.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm getting you into the mind of how I break down a use of force video as that officer's trying to push his head down. What's happening? He's trying to get back up. Verbal command should be being given. We don't know, because we got it muted right now, but he's trying to get back up. You can see that head trying to push. So he's pushing the head down. The principle is where the head goes, the body follows. That's how we're trained.
Speaker 1:You can see when he threw that punch, his left arm was posting off of the ground to get back up. I'm going to go back so you can see what I'm talking about. This is the things I start to look at. Look right there he's posting. That arm was flat for a second, which tells me he intends that he's flat right now. He wants him on his stomach and he wants his hand behind his back. If you can see my mouse as we play, he posts up right here.
Speaker 1:Officer has not struck him yet. He's trying to get this hand behind his back. He's telling him to roll over his stomach so he can put that. That's the effect that he's trying to use this arm as a pendulum, get it behind his back. Now he's trying to sit back up. So he's already taken him on the ground, he's alone, and now he's trying to get this guy to stand back up, or the guy's trying to stand back up.
Speaker 1:Boom, now he is going to a knee. He's starting to get in what we call turtle position, which is a very strong position to get back up. So in that boom he throws the strike. Now he's trying to go right to the hand, trying to get him back down to the ground. Looks like we threw a couple more strikes into the hip or maybe the the common peroneal of the arm, or I mean the thigh.
Speaker 1:He's still. He's got collar control. The guy's not listening. He's posted a leg out now. Yeah, he was punching him in the thigh. So now he's trying to stay in top control From here. He's pushing the head to the ground. Where the head goes, the body follows, trying to make it hard for him to get up. Now he looks like he may go to a knee strike. Now he's trying to pull that arm back through. Looks like he's got help. He's got guys with him, drive, stun, drive, stun, drive, stun. We got one. May have been a threat, okay. Okay. Now what we're going to do? We're going to go back through and we're going to listen to it.
Speaker 5:Sir, I didn't do anything. Please, please, please, please, please, please. I didn't do anything, you can ask him. You can ask him.
Speaker 1:Get over on your belly. There's a verbal command Get on your belly Get on your belly.
Speaker 5:Get on your belly. There's three. You can ask him. I didn't do anything. Please Give there's three. You can ask him, I didn't do anything. Give me your hands. Give me your hands.
Speaker 6:So we're giving one strike.
Speaker 5:Give me your hands One strike.
Speaker 1:Give me your hands. So it's not that we're beating, beating, beating, beating. We are one strike. Verbal command.
Speaker 5:You're giving him the opportunity to comply. Lady, just ask the lady. I didn't do anything. You got to come to the person. Give me your hands. I'm sorry, please, let me go. Father, give me your hands, father, please, father. You got to put your hands behind your back.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you I didn't do anything.
Speaker 5:I didn't do anything. I'm going to tell you I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. People, people. So he's got no leverage here, those strikes weren't doing jack Because he was behind him. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything, Please. I didn't do anything. Here's his back up. I didn't ask the people. You can ask the people. I didn't do anything.
Speaker 4:I don't think he ever called out.
Speaker 3:Takes a full five second ride.
Speaker 5:Yep. I plead the blood of Christ and I forgive him for everything I've done.
Speaker 1:He forgives them for everything that he's done. That works, so, um, okay. So, everything I've done, he forgives them for everything that he's done. That works, so, um, okay. So let's, let's go to the comments on that. I know there's probably going to be a lot. Um, we'll stop sharing this one. We got through that video pretty good. Uh, I'm gonna go up. I know you guys were probably saying a bunch of shit while it was going and I wasn't paying attention, so I apologize, um while you're doing that.
Speaker 2:So when he's laying on his back and he's pushing up to come, try to get into that turtle position. I've actually been hit with a haymaker right there, and so I would get a little more, you know, animated to end the uh, you know to, to get him into those handcuffs at that point, because he hits you one good time across the jawbone, he's going to knock you out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, country Girl said I see your point, he wants to escape and who knows what he's capable of doing to achieve that. Yep, that's a fair argument and, guys, end of the day, with what that officer was allowed to do versus what he actually did, I think he kept it pretty minimal. He had a lot higher uses of force options. Considering he was alone. That amplifies things. When you're by yourself, what you can do considerably goes up. We don't know the size difference between these two. I don't think he was using force just to punish. I think he gave a strike, gave a verbal command. Gave a strike, gave a verbal command. That's pretty common, so I like that. Again, we don't know his level of training. Might not be the best, so stop clicking shit.
Speaker 1:I'm going going to the next oh yeah yeah, um, my use of force instructor from the 90s said handcuff in less than 10 seconds or your odds of winning diminish rapidly. Um, one of the things that I'll give this officer props for is he didn't get his cuffs out. He did not get his cuffs out. Where cops get in a lot of trouble is they get both hands. Yeah, you need both hands. He needed both hands in this and he didn't get his cuffs out. Yet you don't get your cuffs out officers until they are in a cuffing position. In the air force we called it the final cuffing position. Um, so I was I'm a cop in the Air Force. For those wondering Marine blood, he said Obert. Maybe he meant Robert Obert, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oftentimes an officer will talk to you after they get you in cuffs, if it gets to that point. But again, if they insist and you did nothing wrong, then you argue in court and consider suing. Yes, if you did nothing wrong, then take the easy lawsuit. And this is my suggestion to everybody If you know you did nothing wrong, comply with the officer, but make your protest known.
Speaker 1:Hey, officer, I didn't do anything. I'm going to do what you're telling me to do, but I just want it noted for your body camera or whatever, that I didn't do this and I'm only going along because you're giving me the order to do to do what you're telling me to do. But I just want it noted for your body camera or whatever that I didn't do this and I'm only going along because you're giving me the order to do to do so. Um, you're violating whatever rights right now, depending on fourth amendment, right? Uh, whatever you're doing, maybe you were doing some first amendment stuff and they didn't like that. So I needed a little sip of smoke wagon, a little shout out smoke wagon.
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Speaker 1:They're not a sponsor, but I'm going to keep plugging them. Man, it's my favorite whiskey. What do you want me to do? I refuse to give up on them because it's all I drink. So boom Cree. Gordon said at this point do you let dispatch know of the situation? Push your panic button instead of punching. I'm a big fan of trying to get the message out, if I can. Also, you'll hear me a lot on videos like shut up, quit talking on the radio and handle what's in front of you. This was a two-handed situation, so I don't know. It depends on how his radio setup is For some reason. I mean shit, frank doesn't even wear a body camera. There's some cops out there that don't have earpieces. So, frank, do you have an earpiece? No, oh my God, you're so out of it.
Speaker 3:I have one on my SWAT kit.
Speaker 1:Oh, of course you do, you're all, but in the field you're like Jeez. Could you please get an earpiece? You work traffic. How do you get away with not having an earpiece? I can't hear. I can't hear.
Speaker 3:I'm not worried about what's going on in the radio, man, I'm worried about the car I'm walking up to. Oh my God, I can't hear.
Speaker 1:I'm not worried about what's going on on the radio? Man, I'm worried about the car I'm walking up to. Oh my God, I can't. I got to have an earpiece bud so, with that said, I'm trying to get to all the comments there. Nina Sandra said good evening sirs Eric Levine, frank Slope and Alan Nelson. Good evening, my lady. That looks like a lady. Yeah, good evening, my lady. That looks like a lady. Comply now, complain later.
Speaker 1:Listen, I want you guys to win your lawsuits. If you're justified and you're right, I want you to win your lawsuits. There is nothing that looks better than when you go to court and they see the nicest cop ever on body cam and the biggest asshole cop and you are 100%, 100 right. Be that guy. Because when, when, when the jury or whatever court you have decides to award you money, they're gonna be like how could you be such a dick to that person? Versus like, I know my rights, I know my rights, and then you resist and you do all this shit. It doesn't look as good. You could still be right and do all that, but now you're at a health risk you just look writer yeah, you want to look more, writerer look more.
Speaker 3:Writerer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's a word. I make words up, man my auntie is in the house. What's up, auntie? I recently saw a video of a tyrant. I make words up, man. My auntie is in the house. What's up, auntie? I recently saw a video of a tyrant marshal, and every time he cuffs someone, he aggressively twisted their arm before cuffing. Is that a typical move?
Speaker 4:There is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just depends. What we used to teach people is called the handcuffing notch. I don't even know if that's a real term, but there's a little bone on the wrist and that's what you aim for, and you twist the wrist until you could expose. The handcuffing notch is what it was called. Some people are super Gumby, so it appears that you're twisting the shit out of their arm when you're really not just their arm corkscrews on its own. So, um, I already clicked that one, sir. Uh and uh, alan's cut off. So, um, I would have to see the video. Um, but uh, what tim said I'd have to see the video. But what Tim said I'd have to see the video. But yes, yes, it kind of is twisting when you go to handcuff, like you're supposed to twist and do all that.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of lazy cuffing out there too, and when I see some of these guys cuffing, I'm like no wonder shit went wrong. You cuff like an asshole. So you know, I understand fighting in some situations. But at this point, what do you hope to accomplish? You're not getting away, you're caught. That is what we tend to say too. It's like, why are you fighting? But some people have got away, some people have got away. I just got outran. The other day, guys, I had a Camaro run for me.
Speaker 3:I was in it for all of five seconds other day, guys, I had a camaro run for me. I was in it for all of five seconds. Our uh, our, our stage troopers just got a camaro in the area that I work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that thing is lightning fast oh, they got one for their, yeah, I. So this car comes. I'll give you guys a quick backstory. Um, it's christmas night. It's Christmas night, okay, I'm working. We had somebody that allegedly had an AR at the bar and took off. So I was like I bet they're going to go towards the freeway. So I go towards the freeway and as I get to the freeway we get the call. The call was bullshit, like you know how that goes. Somebody said a person had a gun and then the cops actually get unseen while they're investigating. Turns out, well, he said he was going to get one. So nobody saw a gun and you didn't have one. No.
Speaker 1:So I'm like taking the walk of shame back to my area, all of a sudden a Camaro comes fishtailing off the freeway, runs a red light right in front of me, yeah, but I'm far enough back that I know he doesn't see me. So I'm like, oh shit. So I race up and I'm going to get the plate. I get the first three letters and he sees me and I'm like, oh shit, what's the last four? And he had already taken off. I was like, oh no.
Speaker 1:So I hit my lights and I hit the gas as fast as I can for a Tahoe and my man went, dukes of Hazz, hazard airborne over an intersection that had a big dip and I'm like I'm getting ready to say it over the radio. But I kind of got lost in the sauce for a second and I'm like, oh, he's gonna wreck out. And I was like I got, I had managed to get out. I got one running hold on a second, that's all he said. I got one running hold on a second. He hits the ground in the way the curve went. He hit it Perfect, like he hits the ground, squawk sideways and just takes the curve.
Speaker 1:And it was a sea of red lights through our downtown. It's Christmas night, there's no cars on the road. He blows every red light, probably 15 of them. And what do I have to do? I have to clear every intersection and I'm like terminate. What do I have to do? I have to clear every intersection and I'm like terminate, I'm done, I didn't even go, I didn't even bother. He was so far gone.
Speaker 3:That car was so fast and hey, here's a here's a, here's an interesting piece for all your young cops out there. Did they dock your pay?
Speaker 1:for canceling your own pursuit. No, they didn't. They didn't dock your pay.
Speaker 3:Oh, I see what you're saying. No, I was like what. You just let that car go and then you went back to work. You incurred no liability, no one got hurt. Yep, you still got paid. You went on about your night. Learn from these. Learn from this, the senior sergeant that you are, and you don't have to chase every car that runs from you Sometimes you just go bye Now my team made fun of me.
Speaker 1:Oh, what's up, Sarge? I thought we catch bad guys and I'm like, look, Even if I wanted to catch him his car it would have been like me getting in the ring with Mike Tyson Mike Tyson now or Mike Tyson in his, his prime, it wouldn't matter, I'd have got my ass kicked. So this would have been the same trying to catch this damn car. That dude's car was so fast it was gone. I didn't he didn't.
Speaker 2:He didn't have the special rules either.
Speaker 1:No, no recent fight no, I just remember right as I terminated, I could just, like you know, when the lights fade into the, into the distance, I could just see a little bit of him. I goes. Yeah, he's gone, gone, oh shit, ah, anyway, let's go. Let's eric allen, you showing off your lightsabers tonight. Yeah, yes, sir, uh, as a matter of fact, I was.
Speaker 1:Since the move, I have not been able to find my darth vader hilt. I've got a darth vader uh hilt, by the way. So, um, the new website is almost done, guys, almost done. Um, and everybody on the youtube channel right now that has, you know, gone above and beyond and done some of that monetary subscriptions and stuff like that. Thank you so much. You are what helps keep the show going. You are how I get people like Frank on here. So we appreciate that. Discombobulated said respond. Resumed to my. I'm going to make funny. You discombobulated because you freaked out. Resumed to my comment. Please, arrows, arrows, arrows. Let me see what you said. Buddy, let me go back up. Wait what? Wait what? You want the people to spend thousands of dollars to prove you at fault and cause the taxpayers to pay out? What did I miss? What are we talking about?
Speaker 3:oh, that's when you said hey, go to, you could take us to court and oh, oh, yeah, yeah, um yeah, no, that's, that's not what I want and, by the way, if they, if they're found to do nothing wrong, they're not going to spend thousands of dollars, because all of your court costs are also going to be covered by the state, so you're not going to be any amount out of pocket. So, and let me tell you, we just spent 2.8 billion to Ukraine. We spend money on a ton worse stuff than this. So like get off your taxpayers to pay out, high horse on that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know. And then here's one part that will really piss you off. Um is, a lot of times agencies, even when they're in the right, won't fight it because it's cheaper to just pay out versus going to court and fighting it.
Speaker 3:So the insurance, like our insurance pool, makes that decision. They said look, it's easier to cut a check for a small amount than to take them to court, costing the taxpayers more money, even if we are totally on the mountain of right.
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Speaker 3:But that's I mean, that's something that we do all the time. Smoke a wagon whiskey, there we go, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom nom In my belly. You know, I've been, I've been told, hey, look you're, you are 100% in the right, but we're going to pay out on this because it's cheaper, cheaper, and, as a young cop, um, oh, that hurts, boy, it hurts, it hurts. And I didn't understand it. That it's not about a game of right and wrong, it's about a game of dollars and cents yeah and that's how insurance companies look at it yeah, um, I this dude.
Speaker 1:He comments a lot of my stuff on youtube and I love his fucking name, deputy acorn Magdump, because I know exactly what he's referring to that ridiculous officer that decided to heard a gunshot coming out of his car. You remember that? I'm guessing that's what he's talking about.
Speaker 3:I think there was a prisoner in that car also yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:He thought he was shooting at him with a silenced weapon out of his car.
Speaker 1:That was the response yeah, suppressed, jeez old feets, oh my God. But yes, we do spend stupid money on cops being stupid, I agree, but depending on what the cop did they need to go, or is it a training issue that the department didn't realize it had? That's the things that nobody ever wants to follow up on. They're like, oh, that cop fucked that up. He's an idiot. Now he's going to cost us a bunch of money. But then come to find out that department never trained that, never told him that. So do you want to fire that guy because he wasn't trained right? He said 100, that's it. That's the best you know. Ghost patch, which is our official sponsor, um, which makes these fancy metal badges, by the way, uh, frank, this is yours.
Speaker 3:That I need to go pick up.
Speaker 1:Yep, it's still just sitting in the office underneath look at that, look at that challenge coin yeah, oh, I don't even have one of those yet I forgot it was christmas our challenge coins are out um. You know, I sit my, I sit your badge frank on top of this patch.
Speaker 3:So yes, it was right there, uh. So someone super cool made this hat and sent it to me. Oh really, yeah, these aren't for sale. This is a one-of-a-kind and a really awesome viewer.
Speaker 1:It looks like a SWAT hat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it's a prize of Frank. Yeah just cool, just a cool badge.
Speaker 1:Sorry, Kingslayer, he donated $5 for the cause. Thank you very much, Kingslayer. He said super chat. Oh, I'm reading what it says that Acorn cop should have been charged with negligent discharge of a weapon Another story of cops being held to a lower standard. He absolutely should have been charged. Is that what the outcome was? I thought he was.
Speaker 1:I thought he was charged once. Let's look acorn cop. Uh, I guess I should learn how to spell acorn cop results. Let's see um. So, according to reddit, he has not been charged criminally yet. That's crazy. I'm trying to find the most recent news on this Acorn shooting incident lawsuit. September 11th looks like the latest one. It's a lawsuit that's been filed. Of course, um. According to this um, he will never feel. Let me see, maybe you guys know more than me. Uh, because what I'm looking up is not working. I don't know, if he was fired, what the deal was, so I will say that when you shoot your gun like that, you don't get to be a cop anymore. Yep.
Speaker 3:I agree with that. You don't get to be a cop anymore. Yep, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:You don't get to be a cop anymore. So that guy needs to be fired and I cannot see a reason that he wouldn't get criminal charges. But I don't know what the rest of that is. So there was a post that resonated with me that two cops went donut made saying agencies in the area, trying to claim blank when they really work. I don't know what he's trying to say. There are posts resonated with me that may say agencies in the air trying to claim oh, I think he said, when they work, smaller agencies in the area. Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, there's.
Speaker 1:There tends to be this side note. There's a lot of officers that will claim they work in a major city and they work on the outskirts. They don't work in in that major city. So I am not one of those sirirts. They don't work in in that major city. So, um, I am not one of those, sir, but we don't talk about where I work on here. But you can figure it out. Um, and yeah, I get what you're saying. Um, nina said I got a couple challenge coins, one from my school intern, from the campus. Then my local pd, uh, gave me one earlier this year for completing the citizens academy program, which I highly recommend it if your department has yeah, they're amazing, they give you great a lot yes, on police use of force.
Speaker 1:You get to put yourself in the scenarios and all that stuff. Um, I feel bad for the car. Small den on the roof, 30 bullet holes on the sides, very true, all right, let's get to another video. Let me see here Share screen Boom, boom. Again. We don't know what we're watching. Viewer discretion advised. Shout out to Police Activities, paige Okay. So what's going on?
Speaker 5:He's grabbing dishes and trying to use them against me. Who is this? He's got the plastic knife.
Speaker 6:And is he drunk on any type of drugs? He's drunk.
Speaker 5:I know he's drunk.
Speaker 6:San Jose.
Speaker 5:Police Department, hold your hands up. Horacio San Jose Police.
Speaker 6:Department. Come out with your hands up. Horacio San Jose Police.
Speaker 1:Okay, she said he had a plastic knife. Is a plastic knife a deadly weapon? Can be. I guess it depends on who you are. Depends on what it is and who you are. Are you John Wick, chuck Norris? Are you in?
Speaker 3:the jail setting yeah, and who you are.
Speaker 1:Are you John?
Speaker 2:Wick Chuck Norris.
Speaker 1:Are you in the jail setting yeah right, Is it a shank?
Speaker 3:Right there. No, I got two beds. I got a light stand TV on the left corner.
Speaker 6:And there's an open door on the right that leads to another bed. Yeah, on the right side.
Speaker 4:There's another bed on the left side.
Speaker 1:I'll go left for me. I know he's in the house, right? Is that what they just said? That he's still in the house? Let me go back san jose police your hands up. Oh, that must have been a superintendent.
Speaker 3:No, I got two beds and I got like a nightstand TV on the left corner and there's an open door on the right that leads to another bed. Yeah, the right side.
Speaker 5:There's another bed on the left side.
Speaker 6:I'll go left, you go right, yep, okay.
Speaker 1:So I was wrong. I thought that that was the complainant was right there. That was the superintendent that opened up that apartment door for them. So I don't know that I'm going to. I don't personally think I'm going to clear this house with my two people Knowing that we've got a possible domestic and there's a deadly weapon involved. I'm going to clear this house with my two people knowing that we've got a possible domestic and there's a deadly weapon involved. I'm not clearing this now. I've got that luxury. This could be a small department where backups 45 to an hour away, I don't know. Um, oh, never mind. I just glanced up at the title. It says San Jose.
Speaker 2:They got a lot of officers, so that's not the case if it were me, I'd be showing up at this with two officers yeah, I would.
Speaker 1:I'm not clearing this with just two of us and separating you, can't clear anything with two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like you're right there in the threshold, you're. One person holds the open door, that's it, you're. You're out of people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get, wait, wait. I guess it could be. If you are a little guy like Eric, fuck off Acorn.
Speaker 6:San Jose Police Department. Horacio, come out with your hands up, horacio.
Speaker 4:San Jose Police. Oh boy.
Speaker 1:My man wants to be front row. I just wanted to help. Don't neglect the pile of clothes. You always got to kick the pile of clothes.
Speaker 4:Oh, there he is.
Speaker 1:Hey, show me your fucking hands, dude you you called it there it is I'm telling you, man, it's where you least expect them you look at a pile of clothes. You're like I wouldn't hide in there if I were them and you're like, let me poke it just in case. Yep, yep.
Speaker 6:Hands. Man Don't be stupid, right now.
Speaker 1:Okay, I really like her tone. She's being super relaxed. Even when she was calling out she wasn't acting like. You know how Frank acts when he's on a SWAT call. She was very chill, relaxed, you know, no command presence.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Just trying to make it chill and see what's going on. Now, once I find him, I'm backing the fuck up Like I'm not going to stand over top of that unless I can see hands. If I can't see hands, I'm backing up and I'm putting something between us. Whether that's the doorway that looks like, if you can see my mouse, it kind of looks like that's a dresser that doesn't get used, apparently. So let's keep going.
Speaker 6:You were 10-6 on the suspect in the back bedroom. All right, show me both of your hands, or force is going to be used against you. Do you understand?
Speaker 1:It's a weird way to phrase it, but okay.
Speaker 6:Los monos. We'll wait for one more unit and we'll just pull him out. Got that.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not. There was a knife reported. Hopefully that was put on the MDC on their in-car computer for those that don't know what MDC is. I am not touching you until I see both hands. I'm not getting close to you until I see both hands.
Speaker 2:I think I would have been a little more escalated on my commands. Even if he didn't speak the language that I spoke, he would understand. I was very matter-of-fact.
Speaker 3:Marlos Arriba is pretty easy to say.
Speaker 1:Yes, correct, I understand what you're saying. Ooh, shout out to Tim. He became a member of Two Cops, one Donut on our YouTube channel. Thank you, buddy, appreciate you, man. It means a lot, truly, honestly, every time you guys send like personalized messages like, hey, man, because of your show, this, because your show that, you know I hated cops and this one thing you said. You know I still hate cops, but what you said is cool, like I share that with the network. Every single time I get a message like that. So when you guys sign up and become members of our stuff like that speaks volumes that we're doing the right thing, that we need to keep doing what we're doing. So thank you very much, tim. I really do appreciate it, buddy.
Speaker 1:Um, but back to this. I get what you guys are saying about elevate, elevating, escalating your tone. Um, tomato, tomato. Each person has their own way and in this one I think we're being subjective. Um, I kind of dig it, I, I. It's honestly one of the reasons I like working with females because they have a way of deescalating things better than us. So maybe it works for her. I'm going to guess it doesn't because it's on YouTube, but, uh, you know how often does that that typically works? Um, oh, I think I. I think I sweet-talked Deputy Acorn Magdump in, because I keep giving his names prompts he became a member as well. Thank you, brother, I appreciate it. So yeah, tim helping me out said or mobile data terminal, which is why we say MDT, mdc, mine is Mobile Data Computer, which is just another stupid name for it, to say in-car laptop.
Speaker 4:But let's keep going. Show me your hands. Los manos, los manos, los manos. Put your hands up. Whoa, he got the 100 yards there.
Speaker 5:Keep going, man Los manos.
Speaker 4:Back up, back up, back up, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 6:Let me tell you something, sam, 3 shots fired, don't think that?
Speaker 1:Oh, she's shooting a staccato.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she is shooting a staccato.
Speaker 3:I don't think that blanket stopped that round I don't think it did either. She's still super calm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she is, that's her personality. I mean, damn, they did try. They tried taser. That's the problem. It didn't matter where they went, they were in such tight quarters all the way around. That is a unique like. This is not a normal area. Look, this is like some weird kitchen of, like a business doesn't. Isn't that what that looks like to you?
Speaker 2:like it does.
Speaker 1:It looks like a restaurant yeah, like the back of a restaurant maybe, or something um making burritos yeah, let's keep going yeah, go outside, go get out of here.
Speaker 4:Hey, go just go outside, you guys, good, yep, yep.
Speaker 6:Hey boss, go to the front of the street Back up, get out in the front yard, please, sir. Thank you, are you okay?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:I'm good.
Speaker 4:You good.
Speaker 6:I'm good. Are you good, Singh? Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 4:Just watch that back window for me.
Speaker 1:I'm going to watch the front. Okay, we're going to get another view.
Speaker 5:I'm going to come out for you.
Speaker 6:Hands up, hands up, hands up, hands up You're going to get chased. You're going to get chased.
Speaker 5:Hey, you're going to get chased.
Speaker 1:Get back, get back, get back. Okay, something to consider. Look who is right behind her.
Speaker 2:He reaches out, grabs for the taser.
Speaker 1:Look who's right next to her. Yep Citizen.
Speaker 3:Citizen who they told to stay out of the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his hand was on the door when she shot. Oh, I went too far. Look, his hand is that's the citizen's hand, and then this is hers. Yep, okay, I can kind of see it now. At first I was like, ooh, not for me, doesn't mean I'm right, but not for me. But you got homeboy standing right next to you and he's actively reaching, trying to stop you from tasing. He keeps coming forward. He's got this knife holding it in a fucking combat way. I I don't know if that's a real combat way when people hold their knives like that. It's always weird.
Speaker 3:To me it's the overt attack position, though? Yeah. You're not going to like that at all. It's a mistake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like a movie scenario type thing, but seeing that we got a third angle here, nothing, okay, let me. We got a third angle here. Damn, every room is tight. You think you can get under there. I just lifted the bag you know and you gotta start to talk about intention as well this guy's hiding. He knows the cops are there and he's hiding. It ain't normal to hide under a bunch of nasty clothes. It ain't normal to hide under a bunch of nasty clothes.
Speaker 6:Hey, show me your fucking hands, dude, show me your hands. Man, don't be stupid right now. Yeah, just stay out there, boss.
Speaker 1:I still don't see him.
Speaker 3:Oh, there's a hand, there's another.
Speaker 5:Hey, stay out there she called it out, yep. All right.
Speaker 1:This guy's body camera watching. We're going to have words after this. Did you see what I saw this guy's pushing towards us? Watch what he does with his left hand. I'm going to go back just a little bit. Watch what our guy that we're watching right now. Watch what he does with his arms.
Speaker 5:Whoa, whoa, whoa you go you go, you go.
Speaker 1:Nope. So this goes more into why maybe she's shot. She feels hands behind her pushing her forward.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:This is why we do what we do. Guys, how pissed would you be knowing you're trying to back up, get away from a guy with a knife? What's the old added rule? 21 foot rule? We were always within three foot of this guy, so we're well within the kill range of a knife. Yep, and as you're trying to retreat, you have a citizen that shouldn't have been there in the first place, was holding the door with you as you shot and you got your partner pushing you forward as he tries to back up. Holy shit, and she only fired one round. What do you guys think in the chat after us pointing that part out, like now I'm not you know, like I said, not for me, but now that I'm seeing what I'm seeing where she physically he pushed both officers. He pushed on the first dude in the, in the, in her Frank, you're being awfully quiet on that one, but I just I'm I'm trying to figure out, like what the whole?
Speaker 3:I don't, I don't, I don't understand what he's doing. Like I don't know if he's trying to grab her to like, pull her back, like, because we do it all the time. So you can keep your eyes forward and I have to look down, like hey, guiding someone backwards right, signaling them you're there.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, like hey man guiding them right either.
Speaker 3:I'm here, you can come back. It's clear behind you, like to you know. Continue your unassing of the situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah I felt like they were trying to get out of there right, so that would make sense to cree gordon.
Speaker 1:He said, yeah, at this point I would have retreated to the doorway and I think they they were trying to, especially once they were like, oh, he's got a knife. They all unasked, they all got off of him and they all started going backwards. But, like we saw in this guy's video, he was pushing forward as he was trying to make his way back. I don't think he was doing that intentionally to push him towards them, but he could only back up so fast as well, because you guys saw how tight that was. Now you got four bodies trying to fit through the door and get out of there because that citizen was in the way. He shouldn't have been there, which that may have been the dude interpreting, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Looking through the comments here, ozark Moon said I want to hear what she has to say in the locker room after this. She is not going to be soft-spoken then. No, she's definitely not, because I can tell you right now I wouldn't even have been waiting until the locker room as soon as this was secure and we were back to the sector or wherever we're going to be. There's an ass whooping probably coming with that. The sector or wherever we're going to be like there's an ass whooping probably coming with that. Like bro, you pushed me into a situation that maybe I would have made a different decision. Maybe we don't know.
Speaker 2:But well, and we saw again and another video where you know tasers always work yeah, they're too close, just too close um the new taser is like this yeah, and for those that are wondering why we're laughing and joking about it is like taser.
Speaker 1:Spread is everything. For it to work, to get the nmi neuromuscular incapacitation look, I haven't drank too much because I said that without problem. Um, by getting the NMI, you need a lot of spread. The more spread, the more better. So if they're too close together it's just a localized pain, but the more they get spread, the ultimate goal for an officer is one below the hip and one above the hip, for whatever reason. When you split that equator there, you get what you need. It locks them up and they fall over equator. There you get what you need. It locks them up and they, they fall over. Um, but it didn't work.
Speaker 1:He was still actively attacking with his hands. So that's why we say when you watch these things at face value, you know how good. Give yourself a honest self-assessment. How good would you have broken this video down on your own, watching this, versus having three seasoned officers sit here and watch it and start to point out these little things. So things to consider. Anthony Lassalou it's a cool name said backing up in tight quarters is not easy. Perhaps he was about to trip and got caught up on something. Yeah, I agree. Like I said, I don't think he was intentionally pushing his people forward. I think he was catching himself as he was backing up as a natural instinct, trying to grab, push, pull, whatever you're going to do. But I think that's what he was doing. I know that's how SWAT they don't move anywhere without touching each other. That's right, just consist constantly.
Speaker 3:It's for our safety.
Speaker 2:Well, and how many of the houses that we go in look just like that or in a different stuff everywhere, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That never gets reported.
Speaker 2:You know it's not like we're walking into perfect scenario every time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And like when one of them said you think somebody could fit under there, I check If I even have a like. Well, well, maybe, like it has to be a astounding. No, there's absolutely zero way somebody could fit in there for me to not check. But if I've got the ability to check, I'm checking. Um, going to the comments, marine blood said uh, they were close. They were almost close enough to have manually inserted probes and then pulled the trigger. You get a taser. You get a taser probe, just darting them with your hands. Oh, says, am I wrong? It's a good shoot despite the crappy situation. No, I agree, I was on the fence when we watched the first body cam video. I was on the fence when we watched the first body cam video. I was on the fence, but as we saw the angles break down, with the citizen being right next to him, we saw on body cam two and then on body cam three, we saw him pushing his guys forward, not allowing them to back up, maybe as quickly as they would have.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think I can completely see now why she fired around.
Speaker 1:yeah, I think I can completely see now why she fired around.
Speaker 3:Well, in defense of a third party, of the unarmed citizen standing next to her is yeah, that's a pretty compelling reason to fire around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and again, when you look at the video and see his hand is on the door when the round goes off, you know it's pretty damn close. Departments issue staccatos to officers. They do not. Uh, I love staccatos. I paid over $3,000 for the one I have. What they do like what my department does. They're approved. You can carry them, but they sure as shit are not going to buy you one. I will have one one day. One day Because my department.
Speaker 3:You should get one, they're fun.
Speaker 1:Fuck you, Frank fun.
Speaker 3:Ah, fuck you frank I want one.
Speaker 1:You have kids I have guns, yeah I have kids I know about. You may have some little franklings out there and yet I have guns, so we're good on the mountain of right agreed.
Speaker 1:I feel the citizen behind them played a bigger part. Yeah, I yeah watching it now because, shit, guys, let's say she didn't and he lunged forward and just paper cut that dude. You guys just talked about lawsuits. You don't think that he's gonna sue the shit out of the department for letting him get sliced? You guys asked me to open the door. You didn't tell me how far to go away. You didn't speak any spanish. I was speaking it for you and I'm guessing on that. I don't know if he was speaking it for him. So, like you, damned if you do, damned if you don't sometimes in this job. So anyway, let's, uh, let's go to the next video. Frank, I expected a lot more people from your channel on here. They are not used to you being on live.
Speaker 3:This is the first time ever I know we're breaking the mold today.
Speaker 1:I know what we need to do is we just need to make this official and bring in the Fridays with Frank under the Two Cops umbrella. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3:Maybe spend a lot of time with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, technically you can't cause it's not yours.
Speaker 3:I'm on, I'm on my own channel. Oh, are you? Yeah, the channel that I'm went live on is my channel.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3:I thought that it was still okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Okay, fair enough, sir. Fair enough, let's share this tab instead. I've started a thing.
Speaker 3:Franklin's. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:We need a Franklin shirt. I'm a Franklin.
Speaker 3:You're the size of one.
Speaker 1:Guys, I'm not going, not gonna lie. Frank is bigger than you think he is when you see him on tv. I stood next. I'm like jesus christ. You're like six two.
Speaker 3:Bro, doesn't look like that on tv you know, I hear that a lot and people meet me like you're taller than I thought I'm, like I'm a full-size human.
Speaker 1:You are yeah you're a big dude, you're like, you're how I picture swat guys, like I didn't expect that. Yeah, I mean looking at you right now. You, you don't look like much of a man yeah, they don't.
Speaker 3:They don't put me in that mix yeah you're not fitting under that bed. Huh, yeah, yeah I don't go in frank, would have been holding the door.
Speaker 1:So, all right, let's see. Here Are we sharing, we are sharing. Okay, viewer discretion advised. This is coming from Police Activity on YouTube. Make sure you guys like subscribe to them. They have 6.3 million subscribers. So add to the package, guys, because I think Two Cops, one Donut is sitting at about 12,000. So we're almost, you know, we're neck and neck with them. So yeah, let's keep going.
Speaker 6:I think I hit play 918, just 43.
Speaker 1:This is 819 suspect vehicle and shots fired earlier today. All right, I'm going to pause that right now because that's pretty important details Suspect vehicle from shots fired earlier that day and he's at a Mr Euros, so it looks like a home that stays over top of a business. I used to live in one of those. It was awesome $400 a month for rent and a 1,200 square foot residence. It was awesome. That was in michigan oh, more juice sticks.
Speaker 6:Damn Good boy too, why do we get put on?
Speaker 1:Oh, so they was in the car. Shit, I didn't realize we were doing a traffic stop. I thought they saw the car at the business. Okay, so we got a traffic stop. Now let's get into this part, guys. Do we have reasonable, articulable suspicion to pull everybody out of this vehicle and detain them? Yes, cool. So just so, us three on the panel agree, as law enforcement officers, that we have enough to pull every one of these guys out, put them in cuffs and detain them. Okay, now for you guys in the comment section. Do you think that we're right? Because, based on this vehicle being involved in a shots fired call earlier in that day and we conducted a traffic stop, I don't know what the traffic stop was for. That could have been part of it, Don't know. But right now we've got enough to stop and detain. My man's not wearing a seatbelt too. I can see that right away, so I can automatically pull him out and ID him. So let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 1:So the driver just said I don't have a driver's license so, as Frank would say, it doesn't seem like he should be driving. So right now we've got enough. Countrygirl said unfortunately, under Pennsylvania versus MIMS you do anyway Kind of. You don't have a right to ID, but when you have an offense, a traffic offense, you do. Pennsylvania versus MIMS is just enough to get everybody out of the car Because the car was involved in a shooting earlier. Now we've got enough to at least put them in cuffs, to detain them, and then we can go on to the identifications as we're going.
Speaker 5:So my driving license. It was fucked up. It's been fucked up.
Speaker 1:I don't like having crap in my hands.
Speaker 2:I've seen this video, eric, our resident attorney did a breakdown on this.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh okay, I haven't seen that one. So, um, I will say right now I'm not comfortable with having things in my hands and I haven't pulled these guys out of the car one at a time like I. Everybody's getting pulled out of this car one at a time. Country Girl said you didn't say ID Eric.
Speaker 6:Well.
Speaker 1:I was talking about pulling them out of the car. You jumped the gun, missy. You can pull them out of the car and because of the no seatbelt, I've automatically can ID him and the driver's license automatic. Well, you had a traffic offense anyway, you can ID that person, so we're're gonna keep going. What's what's your first name? I do like we can see their hands. What's your first name?
Speaker 6:I don't have to talk well, you do, because you're not wearing a seat belt. I didn't do anything. No, I took my seat belt off when y'all came up?
Speaker 1:no, you didn't.
Speaker 6:It's not even latched, so you can either go to jail if you put in handcuffs, or you just give me your name. My name is Karen DeJanes. But okay, my name is Karen DeJanes.
Speaker 4:You don't have to be rude.
Speaker 6:That's what I'm saying. You're being rude.
Speaker 1:It's not necessarily being rude, it's not rude. You challenged the identification, which is your right. You even tried to plead the fifth at first and I was going to go. Okay, impressive. If you just decide to remain silent, that's fine, but you can get at least in my state you can get what's called cash bonded. You're not wearing a seatbelt in lieu of a ticket, I'm just going to take you to jail, so we can do that. In that process you're going to get identified and we're going to investigate further into see if there's any merit behind the shooting from earlier.
Speaker 1:Cree Gordon said and I apologize if I'm not saying your name, right he says also his body language keeps looking down, probably something below him or underneath his legs. I would agree. I would agree. I think that there's some stuff going on there.
Speaker 1:Exigent circumstances you want them out of the car. Just in case of a weapon, you can't really articulate exigent circumstances because we don't know how long ago the shooting was. So if the shooting was 20 minutes ago, you can make the argument. If the shooting was three hours ago, you can't. You got to kind of walk a fine line now. So that's why I was saying I got enough to detain them, put them in cuffs. I don't have enough right to ID them yet. But no seatbelt, no driver's license those two can get ID'd right away. So we're going to get everybody out of the car. This is how I would handle it Get them all out of the car, get them cuffed, pat them down, make sure they don't got weapons and then go from there.
Speaker 1:So that's me, dalton Stromae Stromae I like that name. First time actually making it live. I've been listening to you guys on Apple Podcasts for a few months now. Lord willing, I'll be starting the Academy in February. Hell yeah, brother, enjoy the journey. It's fun. Uh, it's what you make of it. Um, nina said did he just plead the fifth? He did, he started to. But here's the thing with pleading the fifth if you keep talking, you're it still counts like you don't get to say I plead the fifth and then say whatever you want and pleading.
Speaker 3:The fifth doesn't count for statements of identification, right, it counts about questions about a crime that I believe you've committed. Um, yeah, so, and officer safety is not cowardice. I just want to throw that out there because I think that's a just a terrible statement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, oh yeah, I see what you're saying. Um, first off, uh country girl told uh, dalton, just be a good cop. Um, I'm hoping that what you hear on our show helps you, guide you that way. I'm not saying what we do is the way to do everything or that we're right, um, but what I do say on here is how I train cops. So, just so you're aware like I train my guys every day, the stuff that we talk about I reinforce with the people that I'm with on the streets. So and I saw that comment, where did it go there? It is People. People are the enemy. Officer Safety is cowardice. No, not it's. It's not that they just willy-nilly pulled a car over and now they're like officer safety. Everybody's got to get out. There was a call on this car that it matched a shooting.
Speaker 3:That's called using your fucking head if I want you wanting me, wanting to go home to my family, is cowardice. Yeah, you, you can. You've lost me there. Um, yeah, and if?
Speaker 1:if I tell you that punchy mcgee, down the road, punches everybody that wears a red shirt, and then I start walking you towards punchy mcgee and I know you're wearing a red shirt. Is it cowardice that you're like I'm gonna get close to that dude? No, it's using common sense because of the information you had beforehand, the information we had on those cars is involved in his shooting. So, like I told you, officer, safety-wise, what I'm going to do is, one by one. Driver, I need you to step out of the car, turn around. You're going to go put in handcuffs. I'm going to hand you off to my next officer while they pat you down, all right, going you off to my next officer while they pat you down. All right, going to go over to passenger Passenger. Hey, I'm going to have you step out Back passenger. You stay right there. All right, stand up, put your hands behind your back. You're not under arrest, you're just being detained while we conduct this investigation. Hand them off, pat them down and move on, and that is how we're going to do that. That's how I've done it, montero.
Speaker 1:Like I just said, the look in the passenger's eyes makes me know for a fact that this is about to go south that if they made this into a movie, it would be called the Fuckening Jesus Crease it. Ah, that's what's up. I also start the Academy in February. Hell yeah, brother, that's what I'm talking about. Andrew hill, love y'all, frank, you aren't bulletproof. No, he's not I am not.
Speaker 1:I'm not nowhere near close to that uh, discombobulated, said 2500 to 3500 die in police custody yearly. I think that's what you meant. Uh, we, the people, are afraid of you. Um, I don't, I can't, I can't argue that I don't know, I don't, I don't know what the in custody death rate is. Um, so, uh, I don't really have a report to that, sir. I don't do that on here, at least I try not to. Nina said Eric Levine. I agree with you, sir, thank you, but let's keep going See where we get in this.
Speaker 6:Hey, you're saying stuff that I didn't do. Please don't do that. You're not wearing your seatbelt? I had my seatbelt, I just took my seatbelt off. So how did you have it on?
Speaker 2:I had it on like this so I just took my seatbelt off. So how did you have it on? I had it on like this.
Speaker 6:Okay, so you still weren't properly wearing it when I pulled up. I did like this, so you still weren't properly wearing it. Yes, sir, I don't want to argue. I don't want to argue, I just want to get home. I appreciate that. I just want to get home, sir.
Speaker 1:I don't even know why we even got pulled over. We'll talk about that here in a second. Well, can you say it now?
Speaker 6:like ain't that the law? Like no, that's not a law is there a reason?
Speaker 1:can you tell me the reason? That's not. There is a reason, okay, can you tell? I don't have to tell you, though and this makes some people mad. There's times when it's appropriate. There's times like the reason I pulled you over was this this is why we pulled you over right now. He may have warrants and doesn't know that you're on to him for anything about the shooting, or he may know about the shooting and know that. That's why you're about to pull him over and do all this stuff, and he's trying to think of a way to get out of it.
Speaker 1:So there's certain times where you can't show all your cards and you're not required to. In California, I think and God, I wish we had Trey on Trey's, our California guy, I think. In California now, you're required to tell the driver why you pulled him over. This guy's already been told. You weren't wearing your seatbelt. You weren't wearing it properly when we came up here, so that's why we're getting you out of the car and identifying you. Regardless, he has a right to pull him out of the car.
Speaker 6:So, identifying you, regardless, he has a right to pull him out of the car. So you know what I'll tell you right now so you don't have to tell us that makes no sense I didn't say that Is your body camera on, it sure is.
Speaker 1:That's why the red lights?
Speaker 6:I just want to make sure. I just want to make sure because we didn't do anything. Okay, we didn't do anything at all.
Speaker 5:We didn't do anything at all.
Speaker 1:We didn't do anything at all. I like to ask how many times are you going to repeat yourself?
Speaker 6:We didn't do anything at all. This is crazy.
Speaker 5:Mr Jens, hop out for me real quick.
Speaker 1:Hop out for me For what? Remember what I said about asking questions with questions? Huh, that's a clue. That's a clue. That's a clue. I think Cree I think Cree's the one that pointed it out he thinks there's something underneath this kid.
Speaker 6:Why do you need me to hop out, man? Because I'm asking you to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. First off, I need my partner to get that damn flashlight out of his right hand and I need him to get when I get somebody out of the car. I want. We need to be shoulder to shoulder. I don't want him to have any room In case they rabbit Do you have a warrant. I don't need a warrant.
Speaker 6:Why do y'all need me? Do y'all have a warrant? Supreme Court says I can ask anybody to get me out of the vehicle.
Speaker 2:It does.
Speaker 6:No, you don't Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm saying do you have a warrant? Do you want to come out on your own or do you want to be pulled out of the car?
Speaker 6:I'm saying why do y'all need me for? Do you want to be pulled out?
Speaker 2:of the car. What that's crazy bro I didn't do anything, bro Bro.
Speaker 4:I didn't do anything.
Speaker 6:That's crazy. Grab it Whoa. 822 shots fired, start 52, turn 18. Oh my God here.
Speaker 5:Good God, hey flip move, flip, move.
Speaker 1:Here there's a gun. Had a gun? Yep, he had a gun. Oh well, maybe you shouldn't grab a gun and I didn't do anything.
Speaker 3:somebody told me how to slow-mo before. Oh, I remember that is it.
Speaker 1:Use the arrows on your keyboard right that's what it was whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. That went way far ahead. I think I have to play and then use it crazy, nope I didn't do anything, bro.
Speaker 3:I didn't do anything here's someone else saying that they didn't do anything when they did something somebody tell me how to do the slow-mo again.
Speaker 1:I don't remember how to do it. I just tried the arrow keys and it just skipped way ahead. I heard somebody yell gun right there this is such a shitty way to do this. You can go to the gear icon and select a slower speed.
Speaker 2:yeah, I guess I could do that, and then shift and the Biggie Alligator.
Speaker 1:Let me see here Playback speed. Let's go with .5. Let's go back Now. Everybody's going to sound hammered drunk.
Speaker 5:For what? Because I'm asking you to why do you need me to hop? For what?
Speaker 6:because I'm asking you why do you need?
Speaker 1:me I think the officers are drunk yeah I don't need a warrant.
Speaker 5:Why do y'all need me?
Speaker 1:it is funny when it's slow. So this is why I said you need to be shoulder to shoulder, Like he's not even looking. It's blinding.
Speaker 3:I was going to say that Jeez.
Speaker 5:Do anything.
Speaker 4:Look not looking not looking Crazy.
Speaker 1:Look, he didn't even realize he lost his grip when I grab your wrist. You fucking know I've got your wrist Like it's not even a question that you can't go anywhere. That's one of my favorite compliments that people give me is like, geez, you got like a ninja grip. But I'm like, yeah, it's from a lot of years of grabbing people's geese, oh wow.
Speaker 2:So, where's the gun? 8-1-2, shots fired. Star 52, turn 18.
Speaker 1:God, I wish we had some more angles. Yeah, so what did we have'm gonna stop sharing um what it? He has a gun and he fired a shot as well. Oh shit, I don't. That's where we heard that first gunshot. That's what it was. Okay, um, brian knicky said discombobulated. Your stats are not anywhere close to being accurate. Fbi stats showed 483 citizens died in police custody in 2022.
Speaker 1:That's why, I love having a great comment section because you guys you help do the work for us because we can't get to it all. Andrew Hill want you all to know as a new LEO, these breakdowns are amazing, extremely helpful as I tactically approach each call or stop I go to. I appreciate it. That's kind of what it was.
Speaker 1:It was one of the unintended benefits of what we do. I'll be fully honest when I made this, the idea was just for citizens. I didn't think anything of other cops because I, quite honestly, just didn't think any of them would listen to me. Cops, atypically, think they know it all and it's hard to tell another cop how to be a cop. Uh, that's, that's what I've seen. And then who's to say that? My dumb ass is right. So I can only tell you I've had a great career and I've had a safe career, and so I've just given you my experience and it seems to be working out. So it was an unintended consequence that I started getting a lot of cops reaching out like man, like you're fucking spot on in this one. Oh, quince, that I started getting a lot of cops reaching out like man, like you're fucking spot on on this one. Oh, this was a good one, man, I didn't think of that and so thank you, it does. It does, uh, mean a lot to know other cops are listening. Um, montero said if you're not a big dirt bag, criminal piece of shit, how easy would it be to turn over your id? They never do that. Then it turns into the fucking. I want rights to the movie.
Speaker 1:So in this one, like it again into like what people somebody said earlier. You know they were wondering like about the traffic stop and pulling people out and whatnot and and being cowardice Like this is why this is. This isn't a one-time thing. That's happened just once. Ever in policing this has happened quite a few times. It's happened enough in my career that I told you I would have pulled him out and I would have had two officers shoulder to shoulder so he doesn't rabbit. And I've never seen this video.
Speaker 1:And what happened? Exactly what my fear was, and because we didn't handle it that way, somebody got shot. Something to consider. There's a reason that you should do things a certain way and when you get too lax, more use of force ends up happening than what needed to happen. If you'd have just done it the right way Cause if he just started to rabbit and do stupid shit right at the car, what do you think would happen? They'd have taken him down. There was three, four officers right there, two or three. They'd have taken him down, slammed him, got on top of him, got his hands behind his back and found out he had a fucking gun he wouldn't have had time to draw it and fire because it wasn't in his hands in the car. So he drew that gun while he was running and pulled the trigger. So Brian Kniecte said bad guy actually fired around. You can see the muzzle blast. I didn't see it but we watched it. Curious when that happens. If you got a time frame, brian, let me know. Curious when that happens.
Speaker 3:If you got a timeframe, brian, let me know. So, alan, on a, uh, well, well, eric's looking for that. Um, what were some points that your um city attorney or agency attorney?
Speaker 2:um, so our new, our prior police officer, slash resident, is he an attorney now, eric?
Speaker 1:Oh, Daniel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I believe he's. He's passed the bar.
Speaker 1:Okay, he's passed the bar, but I don't think he's a practicing attorney.
Speaker 2:He just talked about it, about getting into the fact, about they're sitting there arguing over the ID and then it turns into what it turns into. But I never saw the part where they talked about the shots fired in the beginning, so I'm going to have to re-watch the video now.
Speaker 1:Dang it. I just tried to Eric Frank. Do citizens, even though we are held to a higher standard, do citizens have some obligation to obey the law and have some decency? You don't have to have any decency.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:No, you don't have to, you can.
Speaker 3:You can be an absolute jerk with every single contact you have with law enforcement.
Speaker 1:And I welcome it because it's so much more fun of a traffic stop for me. I had a guy that just kept calling me Mr Fuckface the entire time, that's amazing.
Speaker 6:Hey, sir can.
Speaker 1:I get your ID here you go, Mr Fuckface so he knew you.
Speaker 2:You left that one right there. He turned on that one and hit it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, teed that bitch up for you. You did. You called me mr. Fuck face, the whole traffic stop I love that. That's awesome I was smiling the whole time it goes and as I'm handing his id back and giving him a warning saying hey, just so you know, this is a beautiful country we live in, and and I hand him his ID, he just said he just took out, he didn't say anything, but I was like how can you not sit back and enjoy the country we live in?
Speaker 3:That gives those people the right to call you Mr Fuckface Right.
Speaker 1:You know, and me, as a military guy, I I've told people they're like well, you swore to defend the Constitution. Yeah, I do, I do, and I have the ability to sit back and enjoy that freedom and watch it in all its glory sometimes and just be entertained by it. I think that's truly the trick is set your ego aside and just enjoy the entertainment of it. Let's see here. Uh, just know that you will likely get zero slack from the officers. Uh, what are we talking about? Will daniel be back on soon? I'm actually from a town south of albuquerque, so he's getting his. Yes, alan is actually.
Speaker 1:I have shamed him because his internet connection alan daniel daniel's internet. I have shamed him because his internet connection Alan Daniel Daniel's internet connection. I have shamed him. It's shitty. He's got XM like Wi-Fi, and when he got on here it was like watching a news broadcast from the streets of Iraq while the war was actively going on. It was stuttery and all over the place. You could hear his sound just fine, but his video was terrible. So, yes, daniel will be back on. We're actually just talking today. I wanted to see if he could make it for today and he said he's going to wait until his new internet gets in, which should be within a week or two. So yeahiel will be back on. He is a part of our network here now, um, just like alan and, uh, well, not frank um banning and matt thornton and trey mosley. So, um, technically, right now he's our east coast guy. Frank's our east coast guy. So, for those that didn't know, frank is actually a conservationist. Uh, he's got his conservation degree, uh, in what is it my undergrads in?
Speaker 1:marine biology or something. What is it?
Speaker 3:conservation, law enforcement. It's like a mixture of a biology degree and a criminal justice degree. They mingle those two together and um, you end up having a undergrad to be a game warden.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, brother, that's okay. So while you're on that part of the world, what did you go hunting for while you were up there? What did I go hunting for?
Speaker 3:Killed my limit of geese this morning. Oh okay, yep, shot a deer Christmas day, shot a couple mallards before that and yeah. So a little bit of everything here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Marine blood said.
Speaker 2:Plus, in the military we get exposed to so much language and called so many names, they don't work on us, you know on it like anytime I was dealing with somebody and they were overly nice to me, that gave me a bigger red flag than the people that are just dicks, because I expect to be treated like a. You know that I'm a dick, but the people that are super nice are the ones that you know had something to hide yeah, and again I go back.
Speaker 1:I don't care what you say, I care what you do, like mr fuckface. Mr fuckface gave me everything I asked for, as I asked for it, but he just kept calling me a fuckface.
Speaker 3:Totally his right.
Speaker 1:That was an awesome stop for me. That's what I wanted to be Like. All right, he gave me what I needed when I needed it. He didn't give me a problem. He said things that could be problematic, but he didn't physically present a problem for me. So what's the worry? If you start letting the words get to you? That's where the problem is.
Speaker 2:So just so the listeners know, big Red is doing Christmas and he'll be back. Who's that?
Speaker 1:Big Red. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, swetland, yeah, yeah, little Big Red, He'll be back.
Speaker 1:I promise I'm making arrangements to get back Yukon Cornelius yeah yeah, man, yukon Cornelius Tim's going to be one of our first civilians that we've had on the show, so we're going to have him on. It's going to be an experiment, we'll see how it goes. He's pretty like-minded as far as the goals of this show. Matt Thornton gave him his seal of approval. He's been nothing but great towards what we've been doing here on Two Cops, one Donut, so we're going to get him on as well. Let's go to our last video and then we'll get to bullshitting some more. Let me see here we need to share the screen. Boom, boom, boom. I see this one says Houston. I tried not to read any more than that.
Speaker 4:Hey put that bag down. Man Put that bag down, put it down, put the bag down. Oh, they're. Put it down. Put the bag down. Put your hands up, stop moving, put your hands all the way up.
Speaker 1:Okay, I can see. Okay for me, when I'm approaching this, call waistband and hands. That's what I'm concerned about. So I can see the hands. They look empty from this and that looks like a belly shirt. So the waistband looks fairly clear, frank same.
Speaker 3:I like the, I love, I love a good flashlight. Yeah, um, I carry three flashlights on me. Um, I love a good bright flashlight with a wide beam. A lot of throw, yep, um so I'm a phoenix guy, what do? You I I actually carry a phoenix on and off duty yes, yeah, phoenix.
Speaker 1:Now all my flashlights are phoenix. Uh, that's funny. Yeah, it's funny, we both have phoenix. Um, I had not heard of phoenix until I came down to the dfw area and somebody let me use theirs and I was like, oh my god, and they make like lights for vehicles and everything. Yeah, they may. Yeah, so for everybody in the audience listening, they're not a sponsor by any means.
Speaker 3:Um phoenix that would be awesome. That would be awesome, but yeah, I've.
Speaker 1:what I liked about him was my flashlight. Um, if I dropped it in a pursuit, uh, the lens cracked and the button became wonky, like if you pressed it. You never knew what mode you were going to get. Sent them an email, they sent me a box to send the flashlight, but they sent me a brand new flashlight, like the new model, not even the one I had. It was like the one I had, but the newer model of that. So I got this awesome flashlight and then they sent my flashlight back fix. So then I had two flashlights.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that was Phoenix. So after that they had a customer for life. Yeah, you did right by me, so um, yeah, I.
Speaker 3:I like this Um cause having a lot of light allows you to be safer when you're working at night, so I really like this.
Speaker 1:There's people that get pissed about getting flashlights put in their face and stuff like that, but again, it's not something that's physically harming you and as long as you're doing it in the course of your duties and not just to try to block somebody from videotaping you, that's one thing that they'll do. But I also have a problem with people trying to do it to officers. I've seen that it's a tactic that some of the First Amendment auditors will do is they'll try to flash lights in the officer's face. I'm not a fan of that because they're duties that now you're affecting their duties. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3:oh, it's, it's absolutely. It eliminates your night vision yeah um, I mean you could point uh, I mean, what's on the end of your gun? A light. So you have a light, point out. You have no idea if there's a gun there or not. That's absolutely. That is a 100 no-go for me yeah, yep, um, and, and this.
Speaker 1:This goes into the one of the kind of the argument we got into earlier Not argument, but the debate back and forth about what cops can do certain things that people can't. You can't just throw your flashlight into an officer's face while he's working. You just can't Because, let's say, let's do the what-if game, you do that and all of a sudden actual crime occurs right next to y'all and that officer can't see for shit for the next three to five seconds ten seconds because you just threw a light in his face. So yeah, but again, cops can't be doing that to just Joe Blow Citizen, because they're filming something. And that's another problem that I've seen Cops trying to use their flashlight in a non-official capacity.
Speaker 4:Turn around, turn around, turn around. Put your hands on.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm pretty confident, even though this is a blurry, shitty video.
Speaker 2:That is a Motorola body camera is it?
Speaker 1:is that what it is? Yeah, that's terrible. So waistband and hands look clear.
Speaker 4:I didn't tell you to move them relax there we go, relax Relax.
Speaker 5:There we go.
Speaker 1:So that's good. She just said I'm going to jail and he goes. No, you're not, we don't know that yet. So he's being de-escalative.
Speaker 5:If that's a word, hold on. That's just my husband.
Speaker 1:He didn't do anything hey, you put your hands up what did she say I didn't get because he got really buggy.
Speaker 2:When she said something about a gun, I didn't hear it he asked her if he had a gun on him, and she said no, he doesn't have a gun.
Speaker 4:Hey, you put your hands up anybody?
Speaker 5:how's it going down?
Speaker 4:there, hey, you put your hands up.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's his gun light.
Speaker 4:Put your hands up, put your hands up.
Speaker 1:She has no voice.
Speaker 4:Put your fucking hands up now Use the I think the shooter's dead. I don't know if he had a gun 2-1-45 shots fired. I said to put stop fucking moving. I told you to not fucking reach.
Speaker 1:Not the time to argue. Just get cuffs on him and secure the scene. Bring him up.
Speaker 6:Angie.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think he hit him hey.
Speaker 4:No, bro, what's up baby?
Speaker 5:Oh.
Speaker 4:Oh, get your head out. They're right. There, they're right there?
Speaker 1:Yes, they are.
Speaker 4:They're right there. Oh Baby, it's an HFD. We got one gunshot wound to the buttstock, all right.
Speaker 1:All right, all right how do you get shot in the ass? He spun when he Alan, are you doing something, or was that me?
Speaker 2:I paused it. Oh, okay, I was going to ask you guys a question. What's? The biggest concern once he started shooting, moving what was behind him though.
Speaker 1:Oh, the apartment complex. Yeah, his backdrop looked like a dwelling Yep, yeah, you just backdrop look like. Look like a dwelling yep, um, but there's certain certain moments in your life that you don't have a choice. You got to send something that I'm not just going to stand there and take bullets correct, and you technically have defensive third party because you've got this lady in in almost cuffs in cuffs I'm not sure if they actually got her in cuffs. You own her, you own her, yeah, so you have to fire back in this situation. Hopefully they're accurate rounds, but, yeah, let's go back. Looks like we're going to get another view, by the way, but it looked like he clearly took a shooter stance as he did so that's straight up, yeah so he escalates his language big time as the guy keeps coming towards him and I like he uses the excuse.
Speaker 1:I thought you were my friend, Like one of my friends.
Speaker 2:I'm just playing with you bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think your friends talk to you this way. What was that? Look at playback speed. Now we're going to get the drunk speech. I apologize.
Speaker 4:Get hands up now Use them.
Speaker 1:I think he actually fired around. I saw smoke wagon smoke Right.
Speaker 5:Yep.
Speaker 1:You know, the more I look at it, this backdrop, it actually kind of worked in his favor. It looks like it rises. That looks like it's all hillside behind him, assuming he doesn't shoot too crazy up. Let's watch the other angle here.
Speaker 2:And that's another part of knowing your beat. You know, I'm sure they've been in that park before.
Speaker 4:Right, turn around, turn around, turn around. Put your hands all the way up.
Speaker 6:I didn't tell you to move them, you good. What happened to your back?
Speaker 5:I'm going to jail Abel, no you're not, you don't know yet. Well, what do I?
Speaker 6:do, sir? We don't know yet if you're going to jail or not.
Speaker 5:That's just my husband. He can do it, please, please, hey, hey, hey, no, no.
Speaker 4:Hey, you Put your hands up.
Speaker 5:Put your hands up, kind of stop hey.
Speaker 4:That's my shot, smart.
Speaker 1:Like you guys don't with. She's trying to. So somebody mentioned it in the comments earlier about the first 10 seconds of cuffing somebody get the fucking cuffs on, like if he had stopped pussyfooting around with those cuffs. Now we've got another use of force because he had to take her down while she was partially cuffed Like. Was it an excessive use of force by any means? Probably not, but now it's one more thing that you got to deal with because you had to take her down versus had you had her cuff, you could have controlled her way better.
Speaker 3:And she reached for the other cop's gun Like.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah Did.
Speaker 4:I miss that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she reached with her uncuffed left hand For his gun.
Speaker 1:I thought she touched him on the shoulder Gun Shoulder.
Speaker 2:She touched the officer no I.
Speaker 1:It looked like.
Speaker 6:We don't know yet if you were going to jail or not.
Speaker 5:That's just my idea he doesn't get a cop on, please, please, hey, hey, hey, no, no, I see, I see I understand, yeah she's like.
Speaker 1:I'm sure, towards the gun. Yeah, she tried to like pat it away. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Like no, that's my husband. Yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Don. Yeah, we didn't really get anything after that on that, but, um, all right, well, let's uh stop sharing and chit chat a little more. Yeah, that was, um, that was a legit shoot in my opinion. Uh, looking what you guys said in the thing yeah, his hands went, cree said, yeah, his hands went from his hoodie pocket straight to the shooting position. Yeah, I think I think that's what we all saw too, and I think he did get a shot off. I think that was the initial puff of smoke.
Speaker 1:We saw the way body cams work is. Sometimes the sound does not register the same way with what you see. Sometimes you'll hear gunshots, sometimes you won't hear gunshots. It's just weird how the registry is with those things occasionally. So just something to know. I wonder why she thought she was going to jail. Well, typically, anytime the cops like make contact with you and start telling you know, telling you put your hands up, like it's understandable, she thought she might be going to jail. Also, she did try to reach forward to grab the officer's hand when he drew his weapon. Yep, we saw that. Greater than less than keys, eric Greater than less than keys On the.
Speaker 2:Oh so press shift greater than less than.
Speaker 1:Not working. Oh, I see, I see you got to press shift, but yeah, yeah, yeah, Two cops, one donut. Try the greater. Oh, that's, I know I need to write them down. I do need to write them down. My bad, let's see. All right, that's all the videos we got for tonight, but before we end this, I like to leave the floor to my guest to at least talk about whatever's on their mind. If we haven't hit anything yet, what do you got for me tonight? Frank?
Speaker 3:I'm just, I'm just privileged to be amongst the cool kids you are. Um, now, man, I, as always, I, uh, I appreciate the opportunity to come in, throw my two cents in for whatever it's worth, which is based on videnomics is less than that, um and uh, yeah, that's. That's it just like hanging out with friends, man and I and I get to meet alan tonight, so that's hell yeah, alan's.
Speaker 1:Alan's normally our behind the scenes guy, um, running everything. But we, we were slim pickings on uh guests tonight and we need to get Frank on here as the last ditch ever. But no, normally Alan's got to run everything from behind the veil. What we have coming down the line, guys, the website is mean. It is done, done. We're just. I'm waiting for the press on button, basically from my cousin who's doing everything for us. Um, he had me give him the final updates today, which I did. So as soon as those get enacted, uh, the website will be up. All of the new bios of everybody that's joined the two cops when donut network stuff. Um, trey allen. Um, let me see who else uh banning. Um, matt thornton and daniel carr all of their stuff's up there. You'll be able to find their social media stuff's not allen's because he doesn't have any, but, um, you get what we're saying um and uh, so we're gonna have that up there.
Speaker 1:Uh, be sure to check out ghost patch. That's who has our stuff, and if you guys go to their website, ghostpatchcustomscom I believe it is just type in two cops, one donut. You'll find all of our stuff on there. Um, we've got the coin, we've got the metal badge and then we've got a pvc velcro patch. Um, I think it's like a three inch patch, so it's not tiny, but it's it's pretty decent size. So, uh, I hear rapping. What's going on? There's the the velcro patch. See, alan's got two things of my own stuff that I don't have.
Speaker 1:So christmas bro, I know so uh, if you guys can, um, if you want to support us and you're like you know what can I do to help support you? Know such a cool, awesome show? Go to our youtube channel, uh, subscribe, become a a member. Uh, if you don't have the money, just hit the subscribe button. It's free. Um, do that on any of our stuff. Go to to Frank's channel, please. Fridays with Frank. Go check his stuff out. Frank also has coins, he has patches which I have right here, and that's Fridayswithfrankcom, and his shirt, mountain of Right. Go check out his stuff.
Speaker 1:Guys, I don't know that you truly understand what goes into everything that we do here. Um, it started off as simple as just filming with an iPad, but it has grown into what we have because we've had people support us along the way, um, including my own part-times working, working extra shifts just to try to pay for this shit. So, um, by supporting us, either with likes and subscribes, like as stupid as I hate saying it because I feel like a teenage kid trying to like me stuff it really makes a difference to the sponsors that we go to and we're like look, we've got this many views, we've got this many followers, we've got this many subscribers Like it helps us do that stuff. So I do see the method to the madness. The longer I've been doing it We've been doing this almost four years now and thanks to everybody in the crowd that participates. You know, shout out to people like Nina country girl uh, ozark moon Um, we had some new ones tonight. Brian Kanicki, dalton Stromae Um, you know, we have Tim, we've got, you know, some of our, some of our hardcore people that have been here the whole time Mr Bill Fold, who gives me shit every single time but does it respectfully and just puts the pressure on me. Marine Blood, always in there. Guys, you are the one that makes the show. That's why we keep doing it. That's why it's so popular.
Speaker 1:So it was a freak mistake. It was a drunken mistake how I did this. I had a little too many smoke wagons and I'm like I'm going to go live and just talk about body cam stuff and tried to do it a little bit different than Donut Operator and some of the other guys. I was like I'm going to pretend that I'm the cop in the video, just go from there. That's kind of how we've done things since then. It just kept growing, getting bigger. So Ina says I'm already subscribed to Fridays with Frank at Frank Slope, love your show. I was actually watching some videos earlier. Hell yeah, hard not to watch his videos.
Speaker 1:I appreciate that Eric doesn't like Montero, though I don't, I don't, I don't like, I don't like anything about you, montero. I don't like your LinkedIn account and I don't like your YouTube account. You know, maybe you should just quit police work, sir. I'm just kidding, buddy, you know I love you. Perry Lamley, another one started always showing up. Appreciate you, brother. Um, yeah, for everybody that that did become members tonight, thank you truly. It really does mean a lot to us and that's why we keep doing this. But, um, alan, you got any parting?
Speaker 2:words, buddy. No thanks for having me. It's been great time on this holiday weekend, so everybody that has to work next couple of days stay safe out there and keep up the good fight. Yep, I'm gonna be out that.
Speaker 1:David ed the good fight. Yep, I'm going to be out at David Edmondson Been quiet tonight because I'm driving. Yeah, yeah, please don't chat, don't type to us while you're driving y'all. I would enjoy merch. Would also enjoy the funds to buy said merch. Yeah, hey, bud, just you being here and you being you is enough. So until you can get some merch or have somebody gift you some merch, that's what you should ask for Christmas. That would have been a good Christmas gift. Um shit, like I said, alan's got two things of ours that I don't even own yet. I still need a patch and a coin. I don't even have my own stuff. Shout out to.
Speaker 2:Tucker Nelson. He's uh been a deputy for almost a year now. My son, oh, I'm like I don't see that In the local county, but he's the one that bought me those two things for Christmas. Oh shit, when you're a poor deputy, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, tim's throwing shade at Marine Blood.
Speaker 3:I know.
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Speaker 1:Um, everybody else, have a good night and we will be back next monday. I'm assuming I got to work tomorrow, um, tomorrow's my anniversary, so and I'm working on it Work anniversary or marriage anniversary?
Speaker 3:Marriage anniversary it's my 19th anniversary, the one that kills you slower.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 19th anniversary. I took her out to eat last night so we got it out of the way. So I could, you know, go make that double time and a half tonight. City cops Yep, city cops, baby Gotta love it. But all city cops yep, city cops, baby gotta love it. But alright, guys, everybody else have a good night. Thank you for tuning in and we will see you next Monday good night guys.
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