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2 Cops 1 Donut
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Speaker 1:All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I am your host, eric Levine. Today I got with me Alan Nelson. What's going on, buddy? Hey guys, how are you? I got to give a good shout out to Alan because he came over. I've been sick the last two days. I'm actually kind of recovering. Got some bad stomach bug. I was down and out. Alan came over. We were supposed to kind of knock out a project together where he hooked up our fiber and got all that stuff running and up and going with some Wi-Fi out in the podcast studio and he did it all by himself on a cold day, all alone, just working his little ass off.
Speaker 2:So appreciate it, buddy yeah, not a problem, glad to uh help support the channel. Uh see if we can get things bigger and better. Yeah, with the internet.
Speaker 1:So I am not seeing anybody's chat as of now, but I see a bunch of people logged on, so I so I don't know what is happening. Let me see here. Overlay Whoa, if you guys are in the chat chatting, give us one second. Something is. I was just talking about how Restream's been screwing up lately and it looks like it is screwing up right now. I'm not seeing the chat and I can't even chat with you guys.
Speaker 2:Well, I can see all of last week's stuff plus. Ward just said what's going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't see any of that. I'm going to press a button here. I'm going to hit reload. Stand by one second. I don't know what's happening Standing by.
Speaker 2:Constitutional Country Girl News.
Speaker 3:Welcome, shannon, finally getting to watch us live.
Speaker 2:It seems like every week one of us has a problem. We're going to get it all figured out one of these days. And yes, harrison Rock, it is very cold in Texas. Eric, you shedded your jacket buddy.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, now I can see everybody's chat, so that worked.
Speaker 2:I just went through a few of them.
Speaker 1:Cool, cool, cool. He said we can talk smack. Now he can't read us Fucking Ward. Of course he did. Yeah, it's cold out, it is cold. So it's roughly maybe 50 yards from my home to the podcast studio in the backyard. And today's the first day where I actually said out loud fuck this, I'm not going out to that studio, it's exactly along the fence line.
Speaker 2:It's exactly 170 uh 175 feet just okay.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, yeah, I was, uh, oh, my god, yeah, going through. So, um, this is all you got guys, everybody is sick, banning's sick. Matt actually had a family event, so family comes first. Most of these guys were down yesterday, but I wasn't, and I tried to get them to do it without me, but they wanted me there. So I said all right, either way, I'll see if I feel better Tuesday. You may hear me cough a few times, I apologize, still getting over it. We just celebrated, my wife and I just celebrated our 19th anniversary together. Congratulations, thank you On New Year's. And so we are going to the Dominican on the 11th, so we will be out of country for a little while. So you won't see any content coming from me, at least for a week, if not maybe more.
Speaker 2:The guys are going to have to step up. We're going to have to do a stream next week without you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. Oh, shoot, we've got Tom Smith in in the house. What's up, brother? Um tom, if you get bored, man, it's just the two of us. Tonight you can jump on, we'll take, we'll take anybody that wants to jump on and hang out with us. Steve wallace in the house.
Speaker 1:Um, tonight, believe it or not, I'm just trying to finish off a christmas that was given to me Michter's Small Batch. It's a very caramel vanilla flavor to it. That'll help with the cough. Yeah, exactly that's what I'm talking about. It was almost gone and I was like let me just finish that guy and then see how the alcohol helps my belly. It's not going to help it at all. Thanks for discussing great information. Congratulations on the anniversary.
Speaker 1:Anytime, we have gotten more feedback in the last I don't know month than we have ever gotten, and I really attribute that to the team that we've been building together with Banning Matt Alan. Occasionally we have dead leg behind the scenes. We got Trey Mosley out of California as a peace officer. We've been building together with with Banning Matt Alan. Um, you know, occasionally we have dead leg behind the scenes. We got Trey Mosley out of California, uh, as a peace officer, and, um, daniel Carr, who is our our law expert, who's retired PD out of uh, albuquerque, uh, new Mexico, and so we've been getting a lot of good feedback.
Speaker 1:Uh, appreciate it. Some of it's been um criticism, but constructive criticism, which is fine. I like that all day long. Just, I don't. And what's been great, alan and I think you've pointed this out a few times, I know Banning has is we'll get some people in the chat and they will start going into this in the chat and they will start going into this um, I don't know if it's intentional, but like an attack style of questions where they're trying to either trap me or or troll or whatever it is in the in the guys in the comment section, like defend it. They're like no, no, no, don't start fucking with these guys, because they're actually out here answering the questions. So we appreciate that. I appreciate that you recognize the genuine effort that we're trying to put out there in answering stuff like that. So I do appreciate it.
Speaker 2:I think what's impressive, too, is it's also some of the ones that were challenging in the beginning and once they started joining on, and then they're the ones kind of defending it going no, just hear them out, let them have a few minutes and you're going to be on board too. Yeah.
Speaker 1:What do the kids say? Let them cook, let them cook. Yep, I hear my kids say that, let them cook. And actually one of the topical videos we're going to watch tonight is the Olympic guy getting arrested. I've seen the video, alan. I'm sure you've seen it. My kiddo wanted me to talk about it because she was wanting to know why the girlfriend got arrested and she wanted us to talk about the HALO rule and all that stuff, the law that they came out with out there. So, bob S Filippo in the house, what's up, brother? Um, let me see tom smith the on out. Kelly, oh, I don't want that to happen. I almost blocked tom, the research team, really needs to fix that.
Speaker 2:They do, because it's real close together when you click it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to be very careful. Um. Constitutional country girl news said as a citizen, I love and respect you guys. You know I don't want you to put us on too high of a pedestal because, just like they say in spider-man, you know, everybody loves a hero until they don't and they become the person they love to hate. So I'm trying very hard not to become that person.
Speaker 1:I had a video the other day. You guys know I call out bad police work, but I also call out good police work and sometimes there's people that just don't like my view of what I consider good police work. There was a video. I'm actually going to play it. Let me just play it for the sake of conversation Share screen. We'll go with our Instagram page and we're going to go with this video right here. Okay, this was a Michigan State Trooper and I'm probably just repeating myself what I say in the video. Michigan State Trooper does a pit maneuver on a vehicle going the wrong way on the freeway. Michigan state trooper drives the wrong way on the freeway to stop a wrong way driver. Good pit, good pit, all right. So I had that video. Let me stop sharing this real quick. Had that video. Let me see what happens when we biggie size this. That's not too bad.
Speaker 1:That's cool. So the overwhelming majority were like holy shit, that was awesome. But if you don't know the whole backstory on that, that guy got a 30-day suspension for doing that, which is incredible to me that he would get suspended for that long. A suspension typically, folks for those that don't know in law enforcement, when you get suspended, that's without pay. Suspension is without pay. That's how I understand it. Maybe some other people play with the language where they're at, but for me that's a no pay thing.
Speaker 1:And we got into the conversation about general orders and policies versus the law. Like in any situation that I've ever heard of, where somebody's driving the wrong way down the freeway, it almost always ends in disaster. It isn't just the suspect that gets hurt. Somehow they miraculously usually survive, but they end up killing somebody else coming the other way. So for me, seeing this, he knew it was against policy. He did it anyway.
Speaker 1:That is the type of decision-making I'd like to see from cops, and that's what I said is that he knew it was wrong, against policy. He needs to be fired, he needs to be gone, he needs to go to jail. I'm like holy shit, where's the objectiveness in this? Because you guys want cops to go after cops when they do wrong things. So you're expecting them to not only kind of rise above a culture that's been indoctrinated in police, because there is that indoctrination in police work where you look out for each other. You know thin blue line, that's how some people see that. So then you got this guy who was looking at what is the greater good for people's safety, the public good, at his own peril.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean there was a couple different things in just that simple pit maneuver that were pretty ballsy. I mean one he's going backwards too. You know, like you got to time that, just right, everything the stars have to align.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he got lucky.
Speaker 2:He felt like he could do it and you know, once you make that decision there's no turning back.
Speaker 2:It's like, you know he he felt like he could do it so you know, could have gone good or bad and in that event it went really well. And you know I personally lost a fellow police officer from our agency 15 minutes after he clocked out from a wrong. You know he was driving on the highway home and somebody crossed the center median and took his life, and so it hits home really hard for me for a couple different reasons. You know there's a couple towns just north of us and there's no center median and so you know drunk drivers do it all the time the SO gets a call, you know probably every weekend it's like hey, so-and-so car, you know is, and usually by the time a dps or the, the sheriff's department gets out there, you know they're already gone, but you know I know of three off the top of my head in the last five years. So yeah, I see something like that. You know you save lives and yeah, that's kind of the role we're in I.
Speaker 1:I would really like to see there's these devices out that um that warn people of wrong way drivers, the sensors that go on the freeways, on the entrance and exit ramps and stuff like that. You know, my best advice is, if you see a wrong way driver, stop, pull over as far as you can safely, but come to a stop.
Speaker 2:It's better that you're not moving and they hit you versus you both moving, you know, forward um and there's actually I I don't I can't speak of the exact name for it, but there's actually a medical term when you see headlights straight onto you that you drive into them, yeah, so it makes it harder for you to swerve away. It's almost like a magnet that sucks you to it.
Speaker 2:And so all of those different devices and things like that are you know they're needed and you know, one of the conversations that was spoke about in the last couple of episodes, you know is all about you know, when we're arresting people, none of us get in this job. Very few of us get in this job to arrest people are you know? We get in this job to help protect people and help save lives and you know, and there is a element to arresting people, but you know that's not our intentions element to arresting people.
Speaker 1:But you know that's not our intentions. Yeah, uh, joseph said that. Uh, he got two days off. We'll do it again. Um, yeah, I and I, I think that's honestly probably what this officer maybe would have expected. You know, two days off, maybe five at the most. Um, you know, take your lump knowing that. Uh, okay, if they're going to give that to you.
Speaker 1:Here's where my real argument is. I wish we could get citizens to get in the asses of these ivory towers that make these decisions. It's like what in the hell are you trying to teach your guys? Because, at the end of the day, what if that was your grandma having a medical episode? You're confused, lost all of a sudden. That pit maneuver may have saved her life, but now officers are going to second guess and be like, well, fuck that, I ain't getting 30 days off, I can afford three to five. Right, 30 days without pay. I'm not ready for shit, I'm not ready for that right now. I'm not going against anything. And right and now we've got, you know, at a max potential or at a minimum, two victims or just the one. So, yeah, um, I saw somebody had a pretty good comment here. Uh, rico, vich, I'm not gonna none of it, none. I don't know if that's a real name or a fake name either you don't want me even trying uh, unfortunately spelling
Speaker 1:yeah, unfortunately, most videos are of cops doing bad stuff. It skewed the public's perception of how most cops act. It's hard to get out of that algorithm. Once you search for bad cops on YouTube, You're not far off, Because I get a lot of my videos from Instagram and TikTok and most of them now are from stuff y'all send me. So I'll get these videos. I'll get like what do you think about this one? Or they'll have specific questions about that video and I'll make a reaction video for it. And it has made my algorithms.
Speaker 1:It's just like nothing but just cops screwing up, screwing up, screwing up, and I'm like all right, this is good material. But you guys know me, I try to balance because I think it's important to tip that, like he's saying, or she Rico sounds like a guy's name that if all you see is a negative, that starts to be your mindset towards that type of thing. It's like, oh man, cops are just out here. Well, there's a ton of good stuff too. You just got to look for it. And so I am trying to make that algorithm, at least on our stuff, one for one here's a good one, here's a bad one, or my little third angle is always something teachable. It could be anything If it's just a straight up teachable moment. It doesn't have to be pro or anti either one, but I'll talk about that stuff.
Speaker 1:We're about 17 minutes in, so let me I think I just put out I'll give you an example of uh, okay, so the the last video I put out on Instagram was about criminal trespass and service dogs. So, um, I'll play that one. Let me uh share this screen, Cause this, this got people kind of up and down I don't think they were really look at that beautiful face. Dogs and criminal trespass.
Speaker 5:I'm not gonna argue with you guys, let's go you guys are out or I'm gonna start arresting people for trespassing. It's up to you we're not trespassing. Yes, you are we're-abiding citizens right now it's private property.
Speaker 3:They can refuse to have anybody here they want. It's a private-owned entity. Okay, that's it. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Let's go All of you out, all right.
Speaker 1:So, pretty short and sweet, let me stop sharing here, so the argument that I was trying to make for people cause they were like saying, oh, it was about their dog. Well, let's, let's, let's discuss this, let's go to you guys in the comment section, cause I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people. Tim, okay, peeps, calm down, I'm here. We got you, tim. Um, so there was a lot of people getting pissed off about, well, ada dogs are allowed. They're service dogs. They absolutely have a right to be there. Well, okay, I don't disagree with that. However, the way the law works and I asked the judge because I people were coming at me so hard I started to question myself. I was like, maybe I am fucking wrong. Let me you know, I'm not, I don't hardline in the sand and much so. This wasn't one of them. I was like, well, let me go find out from an expert, so talk to the judge in person. And I was like, hey, here's, check out this video, here's something, here's the discussion. And I said here's how I see it, Let me tell you how I see it, and you tell me where I'm wrong, tell her. And she's like no, you're 100% right. Everything you said, 100% right. I was like, oh, okay, so my practice of the law? I don't practice law, but my interpretation of the current practice of the law was spot on, cool. So here is my argument Do you have a right? We're going to use Starbucks, because that's the example I used, I think, in the video. We're going to say Starbucks, you bring your service dog into Starbucks. Yes, you can, they got to let you in. However, let's say they don't. Let's say they stop you at the door, say nope, we're not letting you in. They don't give you a reason to say nope. You, at the door, say nope, we're not letting you in. They don't give you a reason to say nope, we're not letting you in. Do you think, because you have a service dog, that you can force your way in now or have the cops come and they're going to let? The cops are going to force you into that store, into that starbucks. No, that's not going to happen, right?
Speaker 1:So now then the question is okay, let's say they don't stop you at the door, but you get inside, inside and they tell you hey, you got to go. They don't give you a reason, they just say you got to go and you refuse. Obviously the cops are going to come. And then the cop comes and he's like what's going on? To the store manager? It's like we want them gone. Okay, why? We just want them. Hey guys, you gotta go. They don't want you here and that's what we got in this video. You gotta go. So you don't really have an argument. They didn't tell you you gotta leave because of the dog. They just said you gotta go. They have that right. They, the owner of the store, the business owner or the representative of the business, has more rights about who can be in there than the person that's visiting, right? So I want you guys to imagine it's your business and then somebody tries to tell you that they can tell you whether or not they can be there or not.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what pops in my head when you're saying. That is immediately. I've been asked, as a police officer in official uniform, to be told to know you're not welcome here.
Speaker 1:You need to leave yeah, I've heard of that, never happened to me and you know what.
Speaker 2:What option do I have but to turn around and leave. So how does you know I I was asked to leave, I can't be there. So if you're asked to leave, you can't be there. It doesn't matter if you're a dog. Like you know, that dog doesn't have any more rights than a police officer does, and so right and and it's not that.
Speaker 1:And uh, somebody said something about harrison brock said a judge saying it does not make it right. Judges get overturned higher courts all the time. But I agree with you in this case. Yes, I agree, and I'm not saying that she's always going to be right just because she's a judge. I'm saying that I'm not the expert she is. So, if it's different, if it just came from me, but I referred to somebody that has more experience and this is what that's. Their whole thing is to make decisions on this stuff. So, um, that's that's why I brought that up Brock and uh, I hope you go by Brock, because that's a cool-ass last name. By the way, I got a buddy. His name's Brock. I like saying his name. And so to the point I was trying to make. Let's say you get inside and let's say they straight discriminate to your face. I want you out because you got that fucking dog and we don't want it in here. You got to go. You still have to leave. Yep, you still got to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's no different than somebody coming into your house and you don't want them there. You got to leave, right, unless they live there. You know that changes a little bit, but if you have somebody, a guest, over, and you tell them to leave, they got to leave, it's the same thing as a business.
Speaker 1:Yep. And so what I'm trying to tell people is like where is that bridge? Because me, as a cop, I'm stuck in the middle. At one end, this business has every right to have who they want when they want in their business. So my hands are tied there. However, I know that they're discriminating, I know it. So here's where that because somebody said it in the chat that this is a civil litigation. I think it was Country Girl. This is a civil litigation type thing. Maybe they hate the smell of bacon. I like it and their fight now is in court. That's where it goes. That's where this fight goes is it has to go to court.
Speaker 1:It's not going to be right there because the cop for me, what I'm going to do as a police officer this is my education portion, this is where I'm going to be like hey, listen, they want you to go and I'm going to lean into you and I'm going to be like but they told me they want you to leave because you're a dog. My body cams are rolling. So, hey, I'm Officer Levine, badge number da-da-da-da-da, hit me up Like. Here's my card. I will be a witness for you In the report that I'm going to write. I'm going to annotate that and make this official and tell them that, hey, they told this patron to leave because of their dog. Now, I know this to be illegal according to the ADA, but my hands were tied due to trespass laws, because they work against each other and that's how that goes. So, yes, the officer's job.
Speaker 1:And somebody was trying to say, well, officers should educate them and tell them what they're doing is illegal. Agree, I do think that the cops should tell them hey, you can't make them leave because of this dog. But I'm going to ask the owners of the dog first Does that make sense to you guys? You catch what I'm saying. Wink, wink. I'm on your side if they're trying to make you leave because you're a service dog. So I'm going to go over to you and be like do you want me to go tell them that this is against ADA rules and illegal? Or do you just want me to say, hey, all right, you guys got to go? And then I've told you, the dog owner, like, hey, they told me they wanted you to leave because of this dog. So that's my two cents on that and got a lot of shit for it, but it was an educational, purely video. I think that cop was doing what he could video. I think that cop was doing what he, what he could um he never mentions that dog and everybody got upset.
Speaker 1:They're like no, no, I'm just trying to make him leave, because the dog no, he never even says that in the video. Um, what tim say here? Uh, it looked like a long one. Ah, I hit it too. Yeah, I take my little two dogs to walmart all time. They are not service dogs. A lady complained to the manager told the lady that those dogs were welcome more than the lady complaining. Hey, I'm on that side y'all. I am a big dog fan. As long as your dog isn't aggressive, pooping and peeing everywhere, I can even handle being overly affectionate dogs, just licking and rolling all around you. That's much easier. But just not aggressive. Make sure you have a little control over your dog. But what is this?
Speaker 1:Edu said putting a dollar sign on justice only helps criminal judges, prosecutors and police continue their crimes unabated. I don't know what that has anything to do with what we're talking about, edu. Stay on topic here, bud Rico. People want immediate decisions. No one wants to go to court. There's cops there. That is part of society's issues today. We want immediate satisfaction, which is a pain in the butt sometimes. I want your supervisor here now. My supervisor is halfway across town handling a shooting. You want him to come over here because you don't agree with your citation. Not going to happen.
Speaker 2:That's some of the arguments you get. Yeah, my department, there's three of us on duty um like we're all the same rank, like it's not you know we might have a sergeant, but you know you are talking to the senior officer, you know.
Speaker 1:So next, um, did you guys know this is from tim uh that service dog vests are not actually required for your service dog, they are third. All third party Didn't know that.
Speaker 5:No.
Speaker 1:Um, I can tell you, right now I am. I am going to lean towards the person that says hey, this is my service dog. I'm just gonna be like, okay, I'm not gonna, I'm not really going to dig into it. One, I don't have time. Two, if your dog's not being an asshole, what other reason do I have? Now there is an exception, because doing this made me look into it a lot further than I ever have before. But apparently there are some exceptions, and oh, this was the other thing. When I mentioned that law enforcement are an exception to trespass, people lost their mind. Oh, they shouldn't be. What I mean is they're an exception during an emergency. So you know, if it's an active shooter, if there's an active crime scene going on, whatever it is, as long as there's a lawful reason for that cop to be there, then they cannot. You can't tell them they gotta go Because they're handling business.
Speaker 2:But if I just walk into McDonald's and they're like we don't serve your kind here, you gotta go, I gotta go and trust me, I thank you for at least saying we want you to leave, versus spitting in my burger does that look like spit to you yeah, when you live in a small town like me, you just park on the back corner at sonic so they can't see your vehicle and you just eat it really fast and don't think about it shouldn't be eating at sonic while you're sitting in a patrol vehicle. There's like four places to eat in the town. Your past six o'clock.
Speaker 1:You're right, sir, you're right food like I tell all my rookies, yes, sir. Now I'm fortunate I live on a really good side of town so I got like a tom thumb that's open till like 11. Um, I go there and I'll grab like a rotisserie chicken. I can eat off a rotisserie chicken for two days. Dude, that's amazing. Such good, oh, such good food. What's Country Grill News saying? She said yes, punitive. Yes, tim, people can't ask yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, you're not. Basically, how I look at it is the ADA part of it. And now we're talking about. Ferpa and HIPAA. It's just like that's off limits. Did you just say FERPA?
Speaker 5:I did. I'm sorry. What's FERPA?
Speaker 2:It's medical records.
Speaker 1:Is that a real thing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, ferpa.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good thing that wasn't a U instead of an E. That's awesome. Anyway, brown bag for the win. Hell yeah, brother. Uh, let me see stan the man. That's a cool name. Uh, it's funny. I had a buddy in high school we called. His name was stan. We called him stan the man.
Speaker 1:I have a service dog and never put his vest on. He's a gigantic German Shepherd but he is very relaxed, never had an issue. It seems to be. There's just very few outliers of incidents where this happens that I've seen the average Marine said oh, we've got the average Marine in here. Now we got Marine blood, average Marine. We're getting all the Marines up in this. He said about to drop a nuke. That Tom Thumb is the bomb Best pre-made food. Blood average marine. We get all the marines up in this. He said about to drop a nuke. That tom thumb is the bomb best pre-made food. Yes, the pre-mades man. The other day I got like six chicken, green chicken, tamales. Uh, delicious, uh, love it. Uh, yeah, make it special for a cop. We got banning. Banning is sick. Yeah, I, okay, I'm sorry, let me go. I don't know if I mentioned this. Banning's not feeling well. I did mention that, so he won't be here today. Let's pause. We've been in this. Yeah, that's Banning's video screen right now. He just did that so he could be on the channel.
Speaker 1:Our new website is up, guys. I'm going to share it right now. That's awesome. I have been busting my ass at nagging my cousin, who made the website for us for free for a year for exactly a year because I wanted to take us to the next level. So please, when you get the time, go check out our new webpage. Here it is. We have got this is our homepage Got a couple new icons and stuff made for us, but you've got our bios. This is not the final product by any means, but this is what we got so far. We're going to keep building on it. We want to take your ideas. If you guys got any things that you want us to add to it.
Speaker 1:I like that shirt you're wearing and that picture. I know, look at that. What are the odds. But please, another thing our sponsors, every sponsor that you see that we have or we will ever have, we're going to put on here to try to be transparent about the people we let help support us, because I'm a very big believer that I'm not going to let a sponsor in that doesn't morally and ethically align with what we're doing. And then that goes with our charities as well. So the charities that we've got on here. I actually have to add Matt Thornton's charity that he does. I haven't added that one yet, but we're behind these ones too. Another one that I'm going to add up here that I haven't got yet is the, where they go to death row and their Innocence Project.
Speaker 2:Innocence Project.
Speaker 1:I'm going to have the Innocence Project added up here, especially after talking with Derek Hamilton and having him on the podcast and all that stuff and having a couple other people that have been falsely accused or imprisoned. So they do a lot of great work trying to get people their justice. I guess you could say to get them free. So Tim said did you see the suggestion I sent you? I don't know what you're talking about off the top of my head. Um, my mom said I'm taking kylo is my, you know, 100, 105 pound doberman. That is a spaz in public. Like you are not taking him in public anywhere at one. You can't, I can't control him like. I can control him like on a walk, but you take him out in a bunch of people. I just don't trust him. So no thanks. Uh, he said you guys need. You guys need new merch. I'd buy a big fat hoodie. Well, the clothing merch stuff is a whole different commitment that we'll get there. I hope to. We're not there yet, though, so appreciate it.
Speaker 2:We're still working on Retro Rifle. Yeah, we're still working on Retro Rifle.
Speaker 1:We need a donut hoodie. Yeah, if you guys can't tell, I'm sporting Retro Rifle. That's what he's got on right now is Retro Rifle. He said great job on the podcast and what you're doing. Thank you, greg, appreciate you, brother. Kelly said the website's looking great, thank you, okay. So let's get to the point of this live stream. We do For those that are new we kind of run through this every single time, so if you've heard it before, I apologize we review body cam footage that we've never seen before except this first video.
Speaker 1:We watch, we've seen it, and what we do is we pretend we are the officer in the body cam video and it gives you a unique look at how officers think as a call develops, versus watching a video and then Monday morning quarterbacking. So it kind of gives you an inside look. That is unique. You don't really get to see and you understand how I'm thinking, how another cop from across the nation or how a cop from an adjacent city thinks about a call as it develops, as it breaks down, and that is. That is unique.
Speaker 1:Nobody else is doing that. Nobody's done that. That I've seen, um, and if they start doing it now, they're copying us and I guess that's the best form of flattery. Is imitation right, so cool. But um, he's like she said that I'm stealing your logo and making my own. Hey, you know what country girl, if you can get? There's these new hoodies. I keep seeing where that the, the logo, the embroidery is like popped out. I don't know how to explain. I'm going to actually you know what, before we go any farther, I'm going to find it.
Speaker 1:It's almost like a 3D. Yeah, vintage printed hoodies, dbs. I think one was a Dragon Ball Z that I saw. Let me see, I'm looking. Um, let me see, I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm looking. I'll know the. I'll know the brand vintage hoodie, that's who I saw. I'm gonna go to there. Yep, biggie size. Let's roll these videos. Slow your roll, david. I'm trying to find a hoodie. Slow your roll, david. I'm trying to find a hoodie. Oh shit guys.
Speaker 1:No, I think he's saying you need a shirt that says that Because, like you say it every time we're about to show a video. I see what you're saying Do.
Speaker 2:I say that a lot Every time.
Speaker 1:Every time.
Speaker 2:Like I almost know that it's time to play a video.
Speaker 1:Let me see, dang it. I just had it, I promise. Um, would you call it 3d printed hoodies? Yeah, maybe that's a better way to nope, that is not what we want. That is dirty nope. Oh, yeah, that would. Uh, yeah, that didn't. It didn't come up the way I wanted it to. I promise you know what? I might abandon this right now because I'm not finding what I'm looking for. Nope, that ain't it either. Damn it. All these pop-ups are happening. All right, fuck it, I'm out, I give up, I'm not looking anymore.
Speaker 1:Anyway, let me go to this first video. Again, everything that we found is off of Police Activity YouTube channel. So, except this first one, which is off CBS Miami, which they just all they did was jack the body cam of this event. So let me share, share this video. Share. Biggie says boom. All right, let's go, all right.
Speaker 1:So for those who are wondering why there's no sound, typically when you have an Axon body camera, which is what this is, and if you wonder how we know well one, it says Axon body camera, right here where my mouse is. But also that yellow symbol is Axon's logo. So you guys know, but there's no sound the first 30 seconds. But there's no sound the first 30 seconds and I'll pause it one more time. I'm sorry Because I want the education side of this. It bothers me. The reason there's no sound. It's not because it's hiding something. What it's doing is the body camera recorded 30 seconds prior to you hitting the record button. So it's always got like this buffer of 30 seconds that it recorded before that cop ever even hit the button. So that's why, okay, I'm going to go back, because now we see there's a fight on. I'm going to tell you I told you guys's a fight on. I'm going to tell you, I've told you guys before.
Speaker 1:Normally when I judge a use of force video, I watch them muted. So I'll tell you what I see here. Okay, I see her pulling him back. That's one of the first things I'm noticing. He doesn't look happy. But see this officer's body language. He's leaned up against a car. He's not facing this guy. I don't to me. What I'm reading is like okay, he's maybe being a pain, but nobody's really taking him that serious yet and she's trying to get him to leave.
Speaker 2:She's pulling on him. So do you know what the call was for? No, okay, okay so pause it and back up just a little bit, please. Okay, so you can see the suburban behind you okay behind this little cart. So they have the street barricaded for a reason okay, they got an event going on or something yeah, and he's trying to get to his car.
Speaker 2:Okay, they're telling him that he can't go to his car. So there's a conversation. So these two officers are get-back officers. You're not going over there, okay, gotcha. So yeah, just before that car. You can see the cars down there and they got the street blocked off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm going to guess that, because we saw the pushback, that if it were me like, this is too close If my body cam can't even see your face, you're too close, you need to back off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you only back up so far before it's like okay, you've crossed the line and and here is where I get into you as a citizen screwed up because you were pushed back and told to get back as you press toward somebody, and that's anybody's natural reaction, even cop or no cop. Um, tim, I'll ask tim, he's ask Tim, he's in the chat. Tim, are you going to let somebody walk up that close to you without at least getting your hand up and trying to keep some distance from somebody? I would probably think Tim's going to say no, you're in my bubble, but where the problem is, you've got a uniformed officer here. So, but where the problem is, you've got a uniformed officer here and now you're putting your hands back on that guy, like that's a no-go. You don't get to put your hands on the officer who you know you're encroaching in on, so he pushes him back. Whoa, absolutely tried to like straight push that cop back. Okay, so I can see why this would get into what it gets into.
Speaker 1:Okay, from here. Verbal commands Put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest. Put your hands behind your like I'm now, you're going. You're probably going to jail, depending on what happened. Now I this is where me and some cops differ. I am willing to let a lot more. Go when it's just me. If you're just doing something to me, I am willing to forgo a lot more than a lot of cops are for me. In this instance, the best you had was you pushed me because you're pissed off, you can't get to your car and I had to take you down and calm you down. Okay, cooler heads can prevail, as long as I didn't have to use force. Okay, he is a hundred percent resisting. Every single person that's on him. He chucked. He's an olympic athlete, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, that makes sense I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Sprinters are strong as fuck. Dude, let's play. Yeah, trying to imagine trying to wrap up a sprinter's legs. Good luck, no, I don't even know I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty good at jiu-jitsu, but damn that would be rough, you can get those anacondas out you're good, you're done okay, some, some, I can't tell.
Speaker 1:I would say some knee strikes or something to try to change his behavior.
Speaker 2:Is is authorized, but I think also you know all three of them are in the same spot If somebody gets some body weight on those legs and you've got too many arms in the fight right there.
Speaker 1:Let me keep going. Here's somebody stop resisting, which is the catch all, and I'll fully admit this. Some cops start saying stop resisting, it's just a OODA loop thing. They just start fucking word, vomiting it, and I don't know that they're truly. I don't know that they're truly feeling resistance or if they just don't know what else to say, they get stuck in it. Because you'll even hear it with this lady when she keeps yelling stop, stop. Like why are you yelling? Stop like it isn't, you're not changing anything. You just get into that mode. Everybody's susceptible to it. I've done it where I've told people like get back, get back, get back. And then they're just standing there and I'm like all right, I need to shut the fuck up because it's not working Right. So he's still pushing off the ground, he's using his legs to get up. You can see by him arching his back, the way he is. They're trying to put head weight on him. Where the head goes, the body should follow.
Speaker 3:But he's an athlete.
Speaker 1:He knows how to move his weight around. Doesn't look like they're striking. Oh my god, lady. Okay, taser's effective. Yeah, here's my problem. These officers did not. For anybody that understands how a taser works, right now the taser's going off. You are 100% fine as the person that touches him. It's not going to shock you. The only way it's going to shock you is if you lay across the leads and on the new taser that's gone, you can touch both leads and you're fine. So that's a cool part about the new taser.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. I've never gotten to play with the new tasers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty cool, so I'm going to keep going. I'll get to the comments guys. We'll scroll back a little ways or post your comments again. Stop, stop, stop.
Speaker 3:Stop, you didn't do anything.
Speaker 1:She is completely being disingenuous now. She's just doing it for her video. You can tell Body language. She looks over at the crowd a few times.
Speaker 3:Stop, stop, stop, stop Stop.
Speaker 1:See, she looked at the crowd again. Stop, get the f***ing table off of him. Move, get back. He wasn't moving. They can push him back. He's right there a little too close. So that brings up the next conversation. By the way, is florida's new halo law, the 25 foot rule. I want to get into that. Um, we'll have a discussion about that.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god, that voice you know it's actually good that that officer is not in on the fight too. He's watching. He's doing the security.
Speaker 1:I like it. Don't say anything else. I agree with her there. Don't say anything else. I think that's the only camera angle we get From here. We would get into, you know, a little bit of first aid on them, because you're going to have to deal with those taser probes and all that. I'm going to stop sharing the screen for now, sharing this screen for now. Um, okay, so the conversation goes into how close are you allowed to get in the crowd as well, but let's go to the comments. I want to see what people are already saying about the video and whatnot.
Speaker 2:Um, let's see fred richard conversation earlier about uh, why the video? The audio thing that you had already mentioned, but then they were talking about why we mute it when we give it out to the public.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay. So the reasons a lot of times they redact audio is for personal information. My department and I think the department that I'm at which you won't hear me say on here a little more progressive. You're not allowed to mute your video. Unless we are. There has to be a damn good reason for muting your video. I think it's like if you're in a hospital and you're talking about medical information and stuff like that, or tactics. Like if it's on a SWAT call-out and they're discussing that stuff. Um, my guys, the patrol guys, basic patrol stuff, though no, they're not muting their stuff. Like where my my team. I even tell them like don't mute your shit. Like if something needs to be redacted later, let the media team handle that. That's their job, that's not your job. Don't, don't mute your shit. Um, somebody's calling me. Sorry, I'm on a live, so in those settings.
Speaker 2:You know, as when I was actually setting up the body cameras for our department, you can go in so you can do 30 seconds to a minute before the audio recording starts, and that's all about how much data you're trying to save and battery life. The reason why we don't do recording video and audio the whole time, it's all about data. You know these cameras can only hold so much data before they have to be downloaded and all that kind of stuff. Oh, it ain't just that.
Speaker 1:It's not just data. The battery just doesn't last.
Speaker 2:Right, right. That's what I mean is the shift.
Speaker 1:If I were to record the whole time, I maybe get six to eight hours.
Speaker 2:Right, right, and that's why I'm saying it's just, you know the camera's on, but it ain't working until you hit the button and then. And so you could set those settings, and then you could actually go in there and set it where it can't be muted, you can make it where it doesn't vibrate, you can make it where the colors don't change. Those, you know, depending on what the agency has written in their policies.
Speaker 1:Mr Belfold said no, alan, we know that departments do redact it. We are talking about officers arbitrarily turning audio off. It is always redacted. Yeah, yeah, and I'm with you, mr Belfold, there are departments that they allow their guys to do that. I don't agree with it.
Speaker 2:I agree with that too.
Speaker 4:I don't think that's okay. I don't think you should be muting your shirt.
Speaker 1:When you're on the call. You're on the call. When the call's over with, turn the camera off, that's off, that's fine. But while you're on the call, if you're discussing things with the other officers you know she said this. She told me that, like, why do you need to mute? You don't need to mute that If there's medical information or anything like that on a Freedom of Information Act, that stuff can be redacted later. That's not on the officer, so he shouldn't be doing that. So I just think it's one of those things. Because it's still in its infancy. Body cams are still in their infancy. It's still new to police work in the grand scheme of things. So, um, the work in the kinks out departments, like where I'm at one of the top 12 in the nation, um, as far as size, like that's what we do and that's what a lot of the bigger ones do, and that's usually how it goes. When one of the big ones do it, all the rest start to follow. So we learn, we make a rule and then we're like all right, we fucked up there, we should have done it this way. And you keep going.
Speaker 1:So I want to get to Tim's comment. He said I think 25 feet away is too far. So let me give you guys I want to give you guys a little insight. So in Texas everybody's throwing this big thing about Florida's 25 foot halo rule. Well, guess what, in Texas it's been at the discretion of the officer while he's on a call. That's the rule in Texas. So I am able to give you a point of reference. Hey, I need you to move back to such and such point. If you don't do that, then you could be placed under arrest. I tend to agree with the way Texas is more than all. Right, alan, I agree to be with the way Texas is more than the way Florida has it right now. And I want you to hear me out and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1:What I don't like about 25, a specific guideline. Hey, you need to get 25 foot back. Like about 25, a specific guideline. Hey, you need to get 25 foot back. What if I've got a guy shooting? What if I got somebody that's a barricaded person and they got a long rifle inside of a house and you're like I'm just across the street, I can be here, I can film from here. Sure, you can. But I need you back farther, because now you're a liability, you are in the line of fire and I need you to move, I need you to get back, and then I'm within 25 feet. You can't tell me. So it's not worth the argument of sitting there and be like, no, I don't have time to explain to you what's going on, nor is it your business, but you need to get back over to this specific location because I have an act of crime going on. I have an act of crime scene. So, oh, I'm glad Tim brought this up.
Speaker 1:Tim Owens says but isn't that what tape is for? You don't always have time for tape, just like you don't always have time for traffic devices. You don't always have time for a stop sign. You don't always have time for this and that in traffic. That's when cops suddenly become a replacement, and that's how we're able to guide traffic, because we become a replacement for a traffic control device. So let's say we traffic's getting backed up in a certain spot and we know it's getting backed up and it's causing a hazard. We can become that traffic control device and have you run a red light and just keep sending traffic through and stop the other way traffic. This is that same type of idea.
Speaker 1:Is that if there's not tape available right away, because that takes time and we need to get a perimeter set up or we need to do get a control over the thing. That's when the discretion comes in, it's like, hey, perimeter set up, or we need to do get a control over the thing. That's when the discretion comes in, it's like, hey, listen totally free to video, but I need you to go to that telephone pole over there. That's kind of how texas does it. Um, so I like that, um, as long as it's not abused.
Speaker 1:So at the end of the day, if you are going to tell somebody a spot they have to get back. It has to be reasonable. Everything falls back to reasonableness. You can't have somebody, just you know. You can't tell somebody. No, you got to go all the way to the end of the block and you really you don't got much going on, you're just dealing with you know Karen's pissed off that the neighbor's trash can's on her side of the driveway. So that's just how, just how I see it.
Speaker 1:But let me go to the comments, see what y'all are saying. Um, keep the tape measure next to your tape. Keep the tape right. Yeah, and that's the other problem with having a designated length like 25 feet. Like you guys can see how that's going to get lost in the weeds really quick. Somebody's is going to be like I was. I was 25.2 feet away and he arrested me. And then it's going to be like well, officer, how did you know he was 25 feet away? Like you see, that specific number really screws things up. Um, let me see Harrison Brock said Eric, that will only work until a federal tells you otherwise. Yeah, you're not wrong. Feds have a little more. What in the hell is going on with your view, buddy?
Speaker 2:His Osmo is trying to follow me.
Speaker 1:It's weird, your tab said something about hub. Something hub. I didn't quite read it, you know. Uh, I thought that was blocked in texas, bro, uh not, no more.
Speaker 2:I made it look like I was in china buddy.
Speaker 1:Uh, tim said if I see cops being shot at, I'm sure I'm not gonna run up to the cop and go. Can I film this? I gotta tim. You may not, but believe me, the moment they see a couple cop cars out in front of a house where there's a barricaded person, they have no clue. There's a guy barricaded in there with a gun.
Speaker 2:They're gonna be like what's going on, uh, and all of a sudden they become an amateur auditor well, and I don't know if you mentioned it, but uh, the 21 foot girl with knives and things like that, right, yeah, um country girl said but eric, you know how many times it's leo's that have an issue with the 21 foot girl with knives and things like that.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, yeah, a country girl said but, eric, you know how many times it's Leo's that have an issue with being recorded. Yes, I do, um, and we are going to continue to put the campaign out in our shorts and reels of uh, trying to get officers to wake the fuck up. Listen, if you are a new cop following us, you do not have any say on whether or not a person can record you. You don't have a say. So get the fuck over it. It's a First Amendment right that everybody has. Where you maybe have a little say is if you're in a controlled area, if you're inside the precinct or sector or cop headquarters, whatever you want to call it, and it's a controlled area and only authorized personnel and it's clearly posted and all these. You know little things.
Speaker 1:You know who will really get your ass on technicalities is that Long Island auditor guy. I just recently learned about him, so I've been watching a lot of his stuff. And the dude man he's good, dude is good, good, he knows his shit. He is very aggravating to some cops and I can, I can see how? But he's only aggravating to the guys that don't know. They don't know any better.
Speaker 1:So again, I give auditors credit, the legit ones, not the ones that are out there just trying to make money, but but the legit ones that serve a purpose, and they have created so much good training for cops that they probably saved guys like me in my career, because I can honestly say when I first became a cop I didn't know, I didn't know that any of that stuff, and I never really thought, because people didn't have cell phones that really recorded, so it wasn't a thing. And then all of a sudden, like recording people became so much easier and I would have been like, are they allowed to do that? Like I don't know, I don't know what the rule is. So kudos to the First Amendment auditors man. They like probably saved my career Because I could have been that guy that was like no, you can't fucking record me, you know. All you know blue-haired about it, because I didn't know is what it is.
Speaker 2:Um, it's that you know the small departments, like where I came from, it's it's interesting how we don't have training on that stuff. And so I had a different opinion when I started. Uh, kind of, I went to a training where some guys are having a sidebar conversation and, uh, you know, I kind of had to teach myself and it's it's pretty. It's so easy for you to mess up, like when you don't mean to be, you know, in breaking somebody's rights and all that, but you, you know, you think you're in the right and then all of a sudden you're like, oh crap, I've been wrong this whole time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, country Girl said you got to get Sean Paul on here. I'm down If anybody can get a connection. I think I reached out on Instagram when I finally found out who you guys were talking about, but I didn't hear anything back. So Andy Fletcher said Sean found out who you guys were talking about, um, but I didn't hear anything back. So, uh, andy fletcher said sean is aggravating to their ego. 100, 100 also I it well, okay, 95.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's very frustrating when people won't let you talk. That that's annoying. So, like y'all, if you're not letting the officer have his turn to speak, then that's when it becomes very frustrating as a cop to do your job. Um, me, I. It took me a while to learn the art of staying quiet. Um, once I learned it, it it really helped me out, but it did take me. It probably took me eight to ten years to really get that art down.
Speaker 1:When you keep talking over me, especially if you ask me a question and I go to talk and then you start in again, then I'm just like, all right, and I'll just sit there and stare at you and then I'll wait for you to say something about me not talking and then I'll say can I speak, and then that's when the kind I keep my tone really low and soft. So Tim Owens said here's an offshot question. Again, I like this. I like how this started out, tim Owens, again, it's kind of off topic, but when you guys went through the academy, how much constitutional law did you have to learn? Guys went through the academy how much constitutional law did you have to learn? Um, it depends. My very first academy, the one that I did um in the military and that for military police, and then the one that I did in um saginaw, michigan. Very little, I'm talking readers. Digest version like hold on, eric.
Speaker 2:You're starting to show your age. Do these younger people even know what?
Speaker 1:a reader's digest is yeah, so the quick, short version of it and it wasn't that great until I got to where I'm at now. And they spend a lot of time on it and they keep hitting on it over and over in scenario training and this and that training. So it doesn't matter if you're doing like a live, I get my swat hands up if you're. You know I can't help myself, so I feel tactical when I do this, like that's what you do. You know, there I was. I don't have a tactical bone in my body y'all. So there it was and I was doing this loud music call.
Speaker 1:And so when you're doing the loud music call, like it's the foot in the door, that's what we try to trick Our Recruits on is A loud music party. They get up to the door, they're knocking and, like the music's going, they're not listening to the officers, they're just talking shit. Fuck you, fuck you. They're behind the door and they go to shut the door on the cop and we wait to see if those officers put their foot in the door and we hammer them with constitutional rights violations. There goes your career. You might go to jail. Da-da-da-da-da, ah. You just violated this person's right. That's their home. That is sacred. You cannot da, da, da. And we it is a wake-up call. And guess what? We never have a problem with our guys in our department and girls sorry Is putting their fucking foot in the door, which I've seen videos of people doing that to this day and we hammer constitutional law on them constantly and give them real-world things about it. Now, we're not hitting them with. Third amendment we're not hitting them with. You know, there's like certain amendments that just don't really show themselves a whole lot in police work, so we do hammer the ones that we go across a lot. Fourth amendment, fifth amendment first, second amendment you get your second amendment, auditors. It's Texas, though, so that really wasn't a problem for us at all. But David Edmondson said favorite bathroom reader for some of us back in the day, I know right.
Speaker 1:So Stan the man brings up a great point. Shouldn't that be the set standard to train all cops? Maybe 10% of cops work schedule each week should be some sort of training. I don't disagree with you. A matter of fact, one of the whole reasons I started this podcast is because of the disparity in training across the nation. It is amazing what training I get where I'm at in just two cities over. That doesn't even touch a candle to what we get. They have no fucking clue. They don't get the money, they don't get the backing, they don't have the training, the disparity in training guys. That is one of the wake-up calls I would love for the public.
Speaker 1:And this is where we get into. You know, defund the police, like, no, you can't, like. You already have a problem. You defund them. You're going to make it worse. You got to give them money to train because these smaller departments are suffering. I want you to look at these departments that you see in these videos. Do a little extra digging other than just figuring out here's okay. Here's my problem with some of the anti-police people. You dig because you want to see did that officer get in trouble? Fuck that, I don't care if he got in trouble. I want to know if the problem got fixed for the next cops that are coming through their training. Why did he think that was okay? Find out the root cause. Yeah, he may be a bad seed or he just may have shit training. That needs to be your focus. Find out why he was trained that way. Were they not getting the money? Are they putting their training into other stuff? Are they going to the range you know three times a month, spending all their budget on bullets that they'll hardly ever use?
Speaker 2:or going to the range once a year. Or going to the range once a year, I mean, our department couldn't buy ammo this year, so I had to buy my ammo to qualify it's crazy.
Speaker 1:That is crazy to me, where I'm allotted uh, 100 rounds a month just to go shoot and and if an officer doesn't use it like, they're like hey, we got extra boxes, you want to go shoot more? Yep, hell, yeah, I want to shoot more. I want to shoot as much. I want to shoot into my fingers, blister. But that is part of the problem in policing. That's what we got to fix. That's what I want. You guys that are are adamantly trying to hold police accountable. I want you to hold training accountable, more so than the punishment. Yes, there are cops that deserve a punishment. There's cops that deserve to be fired. It's cops that deserve to be charged. But you're talking about one fucking person at a time. I don't care about one person at a time. I care about the mass of motherfuckers that you're putting through an academy and they're all getting that same training.
Speaker 2:Well, and now we don't have them coming to the academy because people are, you know, defund the police and people don't want to get into this career field because you know they're, they're worried about if we're going to be funded and you know, yeah, and so it's this double-edged sword.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um you know, tim said I seen seven squat cars at my local dunkin donuts the other day. I'm like how maybe there were no calls holding tim, or maybe administrative uh, punishments have been dealt out so much for trying to do police work that they're only going to move when there's a call like a fire department or were they doing meet the police day or the local?
Speaker 1:coffee with a cop could have been that um oh, eye of the night. I haven't heard, I haven't seen him in a while, or her. Uh, he said I mean, look at the massive issues that are uncovered after. I think it was london, kentucky, and the fatal shooting of the man in his home in the middle of the night over a weed eater. I don't think I saw that. Have you seen that one shot over a weed eater? Let me look that up, let me see. Um, he said London, kentucky, london. Pardon me guys, real quick, why Look this?
Speaker 2:is a London shooting of a man in his home shooting weed eater stolen weed eater. Investigation tied to deadly shooting mr billfold, all good cops in the world cannot overcome higher ranks that are responsible for the training and the higher standards yeah, and it.
Speaker 1:Mr billfold, I'm sorry about the the london thing. It might be something I get into after this podcast, but, um, I, I definitely want to look into it. I just don't want to research it while we're sitting here talking um. But uh, where did that comment go, mr bill full? Oh yeah, here, I got I, I got it. So that's deep. I want you to kind of listen to what he's saying there. All the good cops in the world cannot overcome higher ranks that are responsible for the training and the higher standards. Agreed.
Speaker 2:Well, and I would take higher ranks all the way, higher than just in the department.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's city council.
Speaker 1:Yes, because there's a whole lot to go on. Where does your budget come from, guys? That's something to consider, yeah, so, and what gets trained? I had one year where they wanted us to focus so much on 21st century policing. They wanted us to focus so much on 21st century policing, and that was a bunch of cultural hippie. You know, repackaging of verbal judo. That's where de-escalation and all that shit came from. Versus, I would rather cops be learning Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I would rather they become, you know, up to a blue belt in in grappling. I would rather they take a emotional intelligence course and learn what emotional intelligence is so they can start handling their own emotions and understanding why they're getting these emotions. Versus cultural, you know, appreciation, shit, and I'm not saying it to be funny, but I'm like emotional intelligence is like damn near 99.9 of the job oh it's.
Speaker 2:You know that's number one interview question. You can tell how they handle a question when you start asking them right and and if you guys aren't versed I wasn't laughing at you. I was laughing at one of the comments, sorry, oh no, you're good. And if you guys aren't versed in emotional intelligence, I wasn't laughing at you.
Speaker 1:I was laughing at one of the comments, sorry, oh no, you're good and if you guys aren't familiar with emotional intelligence, it's not a hippy-dippy thing at all. It's something I actually firmly have pretty much evolved my life around. It's made my marriage better, once I learned what it was and how it works. I think Daniel Gold, something, I can't remember the name of the author. That's where I first started that from. But, um, just look up emotional intelligence authors, you'll find a bunch of good stuff, uh, but it's great, great stuff, um tim said yeah, the law enforcement article that's on emotional intelligence.
Speaker 2:No, okay, I went to a class that was like emotional to a guy, an officer, it is probably. I wrote a book, yeah he's.
Speaker 1:He's big in the world of it, so I got you. Tim said they served a warrant on the wrong address. Whenever the owner oh, oh shit, yeah, yeah, yeah that that tends to happen. Um, if you don't do your homework, I know, like where I'm at. You have to. If you write a search warrant for a home, you have to physically go by, take a picture of it. You have to verify it. It has to be double verified. When the judge goes to sign the warrant, the judge reviews that address with you and google maps it and compares the. I mean, they go above and beyond that's how it should be, and that all comes from somebody screwed up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, and so we're going to all cover our. I don't want to do that. I don't want to go and kick in my grandmother's door because I didn't pay attention to the numbers that are on the side of the wall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, um, I have the news, so totally understand. I guarantee you'll read and be appalled at the failures involved. Judge's Weed Eater.
Speaker 2:Judge's Weed Eater yeah somebody said it was the judge's executive is what Mr Billfold said so that's why they probably rushed the Weed weed eater warrant Damn. Dude, aren't weed eaters like 150 bucks now or something?
Speaker 1:They're not that bad yeah. I mean, I got a steel weed eater so I recommend steel. They're not an official sponsor, but my leaf blower is also Steele.
Speaker 2:Mr Belfold, please send that to us and we'll look into that one in case.
Speaker 1:Let's see here. Perry said I'm going to guess and New Orleans PD effed up New Year's Eve due to the failure at the superintendent level. I don't know, I can't.
Speaker 2:I think it's too soon. There's so many things that are gonna be, involved in that. That it's hard to yeah.
Speaker 1:Sadly, people lost their lives over that bill and mr billfold said eric, I just want to trust in police. In my country, again, it's difficult. The same attitude that conditions officers to distrust the public runs in reverse. Mr Billfold, I would recommend that you never trust your police Never, that's I I. I think you should trust in yourself. Whether or not that's right or wrong, I don't know. I just think that when seconds count, cops are minutes away and that's for the truest form of needing yourself to to depend on yourself. So, um, I would say never, never, trust your police. It's. It's cool to have confidence in them.
Speaker 1:I would say I would change that word for confidence, not cool to have confidence in them. I would say I would change that word for confidence, not trust. Have confidence in your police department. I'm confident they'll do the right thing. I'm confident that they know what's up. I'm confident that they're going to handle this situation the right way. But don't trust them. Nwa had it right the first time time. I mean honestly, think about it. We are a free nation. You got to remember the Constitution. It all falls back on the Constitution and I am yes, I am a cop. I would love for you to trust me.
Speaker 2:That's great, but at the end of the day, your trust may be misplaced. When I am trying to get justice for somebody else Will you leave your handcuffs sitting on the table at a briefing. Would I leave Fuck. No, well, as sergeant yes, you might.
Speaker 1:You might as sergeant. Yes, as an officer, you might as sergeant. Yes as an officer. No, no, because that's a trophy right there. Explain what you mean.
Speaker 2:Police officers are the. We have sticky fingers and we're going to use them as a trophy and we're going to advertise them that somebody left them sitting there or they're going to steal them. You know, you. You know you don't ever hand off your handcuffs to somebody and think you know, if I gave somebody my handcuffs and you put them on somebody, I'm going to the jail because that's the only way I'm getting my handcuffs back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, mr Billfold said. He said that's easier from your side of the fence, sir. I don't think it's necessarily easier, because it's very hard for me to put trust in people. People, even completely, 100% innocent people, lie to me. I mean, 99% of the encounters I have there's some level of lying to me which sucks. So people wonder why cops are cynical assholes. Well, when everybody's lying to you, even when they're 100% innocent, I'll ask hey, cool, I pulled you over for speeding. They're like yeah, I was speeding, sorry about that, cool. Hey, where were you coming from? Oh, I was just coming from work. And then later on in the conversation well, I was running up to the store to get this and I'm like you said you were coming from work, like I don't know why I said that, and you're like so it's just just, people do it.
Speaker 1:Mr Belfold said I need to trust them because y'all have a monopoly of force. I I don't know how to argue that, I'm not trying to argue with that and I don't disagree the police is all you have. So he said, if I had trusted myself when I was unlawfully arrested, my sons would be visiting my grave. Well, there's a difference, mr Billfold. I'm not asking you to trust yourself on the scene. I'm asking you to have patience and trust the courts. Take it to court, please, for your own safety. Don't fight with cops. Even if you're 100% right, fight in court. Play nice Bugs Bunny, approach it, kiss them with kindness.
Speaker 1:Andy Fletcher said you want my? Ah, I got 10 of them stashed. Ice tea, body count Uh, he said you know what's funny. Tim Owen said you know what's funny that you mentioned that because I'm a big constitutionals guy and one thing I heard Charlie Kirk say, which was the constitution of the United States was based on Christian values. He must have ran out of space, possible. I don't really bring religion into the way that I do. I just work off of the laws.
Speaker 1:Tim said I have plenty of cop friends. I do trust them as friends. Yeah, or do I trust them as friends? Yeah. Do said I have plenty of cop friends. I do trust them as friends, yeah. Or do I trust them as friends? Yeah, do I trust them in that uniform? Nope, and they don't blame me? Yeah, like I said, end of the day, I'm hoping the good cops out there. They're looking out for the true victim and if you're in the way of that. That's where you don't want to trust. Don't want to do that. Um ward said I've never lied to you, levine. I truly like your style and choices and shirts. Fuck off, ward. Uh, this is what happens when your co-workers get on your channel. Don't let them. Should I should have blocked him a long time ago now I kind of set a precedent.
Speaker 2:I have to let him be on here yeah, but you know he's going to come back around. He knows how to find you.
Speaker 1:Brock said cops are easy to deal with. Just say I don't answer questions. Yup, one of my favorite videos I didn't have anything to say about it. I should have saved it. Now that I'm thinking about it is these cops came up and they had jack shit. They had nothing. I didn't have anything to say about it. I should have saved it.
Speaker 1:Now that I'm thinking about it, these cops came up and they had jack shit. They had nothing. And they just kept trying to ask questions and the guy just stared at them and they're like you know, we can detain you, we can put you under arrest, and they're like all this stuff that they said they can do, which they couldn't. And the guy just kept staring at them and then finally he just walks off and they, they look at each other and you hear the cameraman goes fucking owned. That's all he says. I was like that's perfect, because cops can say all sorts of shit. They can lie to you. Yeah, there's an extent to what they can say, but they can lie to you.
Speaker 1:So, yes, practice the art of remaining silent. Country girl said that usually pisses them off. Yeah, I've seen it piss off cops, mr Billfold, always remain silent. I agree, this is a new name. I haven't seen Cement Kite 80. Maybe I have seen that one. I have seen a kite on here. Do you think they should raise the age to be a police officer? I think 21 is too young these days. I've had this conversation on here and I'm glad you asked that. Um, if you would have asked 18 year old, 21 year old me if I thought I was ready to be a cop at 21, I would have told you yes.
Speaker 1:Looking back as almost 42 year old me in my 18 years fuck no, I was not ready. Not ready at all. Alan, were you?
Speaker 2:ready. I was 27 when I became a police officer, and I was still too young, yeah, so I am of a fan.
Speaker 1:I'm a fan of 25. We can't raise it too crazy, but I'm a fan of 25. Do I have a preference? Is there a sweet number that I think would be perfect? I like that 30 to 35 range personally. But we'll never have fucking cops and, depending on our lifestyle, you're not going to get a longevity in us in the streets. The body starts to break down. Yeah, it's hard to get down longevity in us in the streets Right, the body starts to break down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's hard to get down and get back up.
Speaker 1:Yeah so.
Speaker 2:Especially if you're, you know, involved with an Olympic sprinter. Yes, that next day would have been. You know I'm not going to lose, but yeah, I'm going to be black and blue when it's over and it's not going to be from getting punched.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm going to be black and blue when it's over and it's not going to be from getting punched. Yes, tim said. James Freeman said it. Perfect, I'm not willing to kill you over me being right, you will. That's what Eric said. To fight them in courts, not on the street. Yes, eye of the Night said.
Speaker 1:Most people seem to believe Cops are your friends. What do you want to do with your friends? Talk. They seem to forget that. Anything you friends, what do you want to do with your friends? Talk. They seem to forget that anything you say can and will be used against you. Part thing. Yeah, you're now wrong.
Speaker 1:Let me see, eric, you're going to make me get in shape and become a cop just to raise hell with the bad cops? Hey, that's one of the things I challenge everybody, man, if you really have a, if you hate the way policing is done and I hated it as a kid in Flint. That's why I became a cop. Everybody thinks I did it because of my dad. I didn't.
Speaker 1:My dad was a cop down here in Texas and I grew up in Flint and I had some bad incidences with the Flint police and people. You know I was a shithead, let's put it that way, I was a little shithead growing up and my dad poised the question to me after I was bitching about the cops. He said you can be a part of the problem and be a part of the solution. And it didn't really sit with me at that time I was only like 12 or 14, but that stuck with me. And then I finally I was like you know what? Yeah, I'm going to go show them how to be good cops. And now here I am. You know, I can't tell you if my style of policing is the right style, because everybody that's the beauty of policing Everybody's got their own style and it works for them.
Speaker 2:But I can't tell you I think that's the other thing about all of police or and it's not just policing. But we're all different and you know it's really interesting to me. What is going on with this podcast is it doesn't matter where you are and you know we're in Texas, but we have people from all over the country and we all look at these videos and go through these videos and, uh, we all go to it a similar way. We may have different views on it and takes, but you know parts of us all come to that same final point pretty much the same.
Speaker 1:And that's one of the things that intrigues me the most. But also, you know, we each get there a different way because military is a little different. The military needs you to be a little more brainless and I'm still in guys, I'm still in the military, still in the Air Force. I'm in the IMA reserves for the Air Force that they need the 18-year-olds. They need people that don't question a lot and do what they're told and need that structure.
Speaker 1:So as you get older and you start to become wiser, the way the world works, that's when it gets harder and harder for the military to get what they need out of you and that's why they push you off, because you start asking too many questions. That's really what happens Now. I'm to the point where I can teach a lot, but they don't really need me out there on the front line, so to speak. Don't get me wrong If they want me to, I'll go, it'll be fun. But I don't think they want me out there because they'll be like, hey, we're going to go attack this forward position. I'm like, let's make much sense. I don't see why we need to do that right now can we, can we explain?
Speaker 1:that a little bit yeah yeah, let's look at that map again yeah, I need to understand the why we need to do it right now seems like a bad plan, um, tim said, but of course I, if I become a cop in my town now, I wouldn't last long. They're dirty here, all right, let's get to another video. We haven't even gotten to a whole lot of videos yet. You guys are asking a lot of good questions. I hope you don't get too mad at us not playing a lot of videos, because I really think the important part is the interaction with you guys. Keith Evel said Keith, kiss my ass. Mr Belf, bill, fall your puns are. They are legend. So let me see here. Let's uh, yeah, again, I apologize if we're not getting to a whole lot of videos. I think what you guys have to say is more important, and us as talking and doing that stuff. But, um, if you think that the police don't ruin the lives of cops who go against the blue line of silence, you have some learning to do. Gang stalking is real.
Speaker 2:They were talking about officers being a gang. Oh, I got you.
Speaker 1:Oops, sorry.
Speaker 2:There's one there, stan the man. Oops, sorry, I almost. There's one there, stan the man. Here we go.
Speaker 1:Can we explain the difference between police officer and deputy? Okay, so in a municipality that's going to be where your police officers are. You work for the city. The city is under the city manager and the mayor, so the chief is beholden to them, and then they typically tend to be civil service, meaning they have city protection in a way. They can't just be fired willy-nilly. And a deputy who works for a sheriff a sheriff is an elected position, so that elected position he gets to appoint all his higher ups and then everybody that gets hired under them is basically because that sheriff said it's cool to have them. So sheriff's departments can change drastically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we had an agency around here. A new sheriff got elected and all 108 deputies had to reapply for their job yeah, so you can get some crazy shit going with the sheriff's side.
Speaker 1:Now I really like the idea of sheriffs. I, I think I would. I think I would excel as a sheriff versus being a chief, because as a chief you got to play politics. I'm not a big fan of playing politics.
Speaker 2:Cause you want to keep your job yeah, in a sheriff's role. You want to keep your job and be in politics in a different manner, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, brock said Eric, he must be at E7, e8 by now. I'm not dude, I wish I. Just I don't listen. I'm be full 100 with you, brock. I'm just in it to get my health insurance. My health insurance is 200 bucks a month as long as I stay in. So I ain't trying to excel, I ain't trying to do any extra, I just show up.
Speaker 1:I teach a lot of these young guys how to do cop work, because they signed up to be a military cop and they don't get to do a whole lot of real police work. So I use it as an opportunity to train them in real police work, kind of give them a different view of the military. So it's not so cynical, because that tends to be what they do. And if they want to promote me, I'll take the easy promotion, but if not, I'll just be happy sitting as an E6 bud. Don't care, rank is rank. It's not my career, it's just going to be retirement. It's the easy way for me to get my insurance and that's just how I roll. Let me see. Tim said Sheriffs have more power. Believe it or not, they do. Yeah, sheriffs absolutely.
Speaker 1:They have the ultimate power when it comes to law enforcement. They are the end-all, be-all. If I was rolling down the road in my police car city car and they turn on lights behind me, I got to pull over. They've got the right of way. So I said I got out of the Navy as an E6, stopped at nine years. Ooh, you stopped right at the cutoff. Man, they usually say 10 years is the limit and then you're in for life. But yeah, let me see here, let me get this next video going. Viewer discretion advised. Everything's from policeactivitycom or policeactivity YouTube channel. Damn, let me hey, marine Blood.
Speaker 2:Glad to have you here, did he?
Speaker 1:finally get on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's been lurking dude.
Speaker 1:He said only branch worth mentioning is the Marine Corps. Listen to this fucking jarhead. Rah rah, rah, rah Kranz. I can't talk shit, because they just released a video of an Air Force guy singing a. What is that? Cartoon Disney with the ice.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Let it go. Let it go. What the fuck is that? You know what movie I'm talking about? Yeah, you have girls in your house. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, this is an Air Force guy singing the snowman's part. I mean he nailed it though Sang it just like that dude, that's awesome. And yeah, banning sent that to me. He goes yeah, you can't talk shit about the Marines anymore. And he sent me the video of this guy singing that song. I was like fuck.
Speaker 2:What an asshole, but good job.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah he got me. All right, let me share this screen here. Got all right, let me share this screen here. I think this is the right one sure all right, let's go boys and frozen, frozen billfold.
Speaker 6:Hi, I'm calling for my dispatch. I'm a bus driver, san Pedro. There's a dash bus, one five, and it's located on Gaffey and 19th Street and there's a white Maserati chasing them and they're armed.
Speaker 5:A white Maserati is chasing after a dash bus. A bus? Yeah, I guess. Are you on the bus? I have to be driving.
Speaker 6:No, no, I'm on another bus driver, but my dispatch couldn't get through with you guys.
Speaker 5:What direction are they going? Northbound on Gaffey.
Speaker 1:Hey, he knows his direction.
Speaker 5:That's awesome. Is it San Pedro? Is it a Maserati? Sedan I'm guessing yes, that's how they told me, Maserati.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who's got a Maserati SUV?
Speaker 5:Do we have any description of the driver at all? No, no, that's how they told me. How do you know that they are armed? I guess they pulled it out on the driver. That's a dash bus Do you have a number to dispatch center so I can try to call them and see if they have contact with that bus.
Speaker 1:So, Okay, mr Milford, is it really a trace bus?
Speaker 5:Okay, we'll get an officer going in the area. Okay, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4:Hello, hi, yes, this is C. Thank you so much for calling me. Hi, this is Kelly.
Speaker 5:Do you have any further information on the bus that's being followed?
Speaker 4:It is. It's a male. He's solo in the car. African American. It's a white mozzarella. It's the fourth car behind her and he's been following her throughout the whole route.
Speaker 5:Where is she at? Right now she's heading northbound.
Speaker 1:Is she still making the stops? That's what I want to know. I'm reminded of an old Seinfeld episode when Kramer takes over a bus, when the driver passes out from a medical condition and somebody tries to jack the bus so he's like fighting that guy off and, oh man, I'm showing my age um and about to make that right turn on 7th street north on, on gaffey going.
Speaker 4:Uh, she'll be going east on on 7th street has she made the turn already? No, no, uh, she is passing 8th street right now.
Speaker 5:This is exciting, just listening to the dispatch are like party shots, are you just? Like what exactly?
Speaker 4:I've heard to this um, it is uh I guess you can say a domestic, uh, domestic dispute. He is uh the father of her child the bus driver I know, uh, yeah, the one in the other vehicle that's following her is the father, so they're ex-partners.
Speaker 5:Okay, I just want to confirm I have it right. The person in the Maserati is the suspect. He is the bus driver's ex-partner. Yes, okay. Alright, do you want to back up?
Speaker 3:Yeah, sure.
Speaker 5:We're going to be behind the Maserati. Can we get one more.
Speaker 1:All right, let me biggie size that so you guys can see it better. So already, alan, you tell me, like I am not trying to get into any shit with this maserati, until I have backup, I'm gonna let everybody know that I've got it on view, um, and then I might not even have lit it up yet. Uh, I, I don't know if he did, I, I thought, especially in this environment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it looks like we're in a residential area.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't know if he did, especially in this environment. Yeah yeah, it looks like we're in a residential area.
Speaker 2:I don't think they lit it up because on the Axon fleet I think they're in there an indicator on the screen that says lights are on.
Speaker 1:Okay, so just a domestic. These are the worst of the worst. He's already not thinking clearly, and he's got to have some money. He's driving around in Maserati. Yep, they're not cheap, let's keep going. And they are sex partners. Right 518-106.
Speaker 5:This is.
Speaker 1:LA, I believe Great.
Speaker 5:Pacific.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, la, I like this kid there.
Speaker 5:Yeah LA, I like this. I love this.
Speaker 1:We're going to be on first and grand. Okay, so he did just light them up. All right for me, felony stop. I'm not risking it. You know you're not getting these calls too often. You got a call from a third party and from the bus driver itself. So anytime we get multiple calls about a gun, now it's going to be a felony stop. And for those wondering what a felony stop is, that's going to be as soon as we step out of the car. Guns are going to be drawn. We're not approaching, we're going to call you out loud, hail you to get out of the vehicle, show your hands, turn the car off, put the keys up on the hood or throw them out the window or whatever, and that is a felony stop. So it's just about safety for here.
Speaker 2:Ozark man, it's a good one here. What's that, ozark?
Speaker 1:man. This was a Tuesday before Thanksgiving. Before Thanksgiving holiday domestics are the worst.
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 1:Weird.
Speaker 2:The back window rolled down.
Speaker 3:Second unit Roll down the window.
Speaker 1:Anybody else in the car with you. So I would want my approaching units to know the direction that my guns are facing, the way this car is facing no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Well, and for me and you, you know that vehicle being right beside us. Not only are they, they're doing two things there, they're also showing the the traffic from the other direction that you know we're taking up the whole street. Yep, so hey, down there, if you see me sitting in the middle of the street, maybe you need to turn off yeah uh.
Speaker 1:Tim said do they not own, do they not have PAs on cars anymore? They do, some work, some don't. Yeah, it's a crapshoot, tim. Sometimes you get the car that just doesn't have a very well-working one or you know it doesn't work. Stan the man said, roadside arguments will never have a good outcome. I don't think people understand the limited information a cop has about the calls they receive. That's a fair statement, sir. I like he's trying to yell without sounding like a dick, like that's the impression I'm getting. He's trying to yell out there but not be amped up. So this is a good approach, I like how he's doing this.
Speaker 1:So they're asking for backup. This is the beauty of working in a big city, guys. I have this luxury myself. You can ask for your supervisor and for air one, which is a helicopter, to come to the scene, just because of how high a potential this one has.
Speaker 2:Do you have to and this is a question I have for you do you have to make that request? Or your dispatchers, you know, in that environment, are they automatically just saying, hey, we're asking for this stuff?
Speaker 1:A little bit of both. Sometimes they'll make the call just because they know, or sometimes it'll be something and I'll be like, hey, can we get air one out here? And I'll be like, hey, can we get Air One out here? And they'll be like, yeah, let's get them on the horn.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 6:Carson Grant correction 9 you said he can't roll the windows down, or what yeah? He can't roll down.
Speaker 5:White Maserati.
Speaker 1:Okay, so they got a little bit of communication with this guy. He can't apparently roll down that front window, for whatever reason. Okay, so nothing's going to change. Still going to be a felony stop. Alright, driver, you know, open the door slowly, keep your hands up. Where'd the sound go?
Speaker 2:Maybe there was some information.
Speaker 1:Let me go back, just in case he said he can't roll the windows down or what. Maybe there was some information they needed.
Speaker 5:Let me go back just in case.
Speaker 6:You said you can't roll the windows down or what. Yeah, you can't roll the windows down.
Speaker 1:I wonder if they muted it for tactics. God I hope not. So yeah, again I would be saying roll the window down. Well, open the door slowly, both hands where I can see them. That's not ever a good sign. This is one you got to pursue. This is one you got to go after. We got an alleged gun Totality circumstances. What he's doing is not normal behavior. He is a clear and present danger to the public. So let me see here. Andy Fletcher said you can't preserve your rights anytime other than the moment they are being violated. Let's see here. That's not true. I don't agree with you, andy. True, I don't agree with you, andy. What I would say is that in the long haul, your rights are preserved through justice, by going to the courts.
Speaker 1:So what may be temporarily violated in the moment may be rectified in the court system, which is what we have, and now we've got we've got a call out direction, and this is one of those ones where for me now you guys tell me in the comments I could be right, I could be wrong, according to your own values. This is one we chase until the wheels fall off because this guy is a dangerous dude. He is going to kill this lady. No normal person chases around a damn city bus with a gun. So close to Thanksgiving especially, this is one where I would agree to chase it till the wheels fall off so is that air one that sounds like?
Speaker 1:that's air one. They're watching from above and they're calling out where the suspect is On the south side of the building. Guys, Other side of the building, Go down. Your suspect is right there. Oh oh oh, he's dual wielding Yep. Look, they've shot him and he still wants to go shoot again.
Speaker 2:Did you see that walking up on the porch? Holy shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did. I'm going to go back.
Speaker 2:Holy crap.
Speaker 1:Oh, we got a bunch of you. Let's play through and then I'll go back. Holy shit. See all these cops ducking down because they're getting shot at. He started firing from the ground. I tell people, just because you're shot doesn't mean you're out of the fight.
Speaker 2:Those shooting lanes were crazy yeah.
Speaker 1:He goes down and he's bringing the gun up firing. Yeah, he was shooting. Holy hell, civilian. Civilian, civilian, civilian civilian tell you one thing LA is good at is getting every freaking piece of body cam out there.
Speaker 3:It's the very transparent holster up holster, up holster, up holster, up holster, up holster, up holster up holster up.
Speaker 1:Don't tell me to holster up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's not your role.
Speaker 1:I know you're a sergeant.
Speaker 2:He had stripes.
Speaker 1:But yeah, this is one rule I'm not going to listen to, because if you ever seen a bad, scary movie, the bad guy somehow. Until he is, until he's secured Until he's in cuffs and we got the gun away. No, I'm not securing my weapon, so I don't listen to that. If I come on scene and tell you that shit, don't listen to me either.
Speaker 2:I mean I get where he's coming from because of the safety side of it, but that's not the right.
Speaker 1:I said De-escalation goes out the window when you're getting shot at.
Speaker 2:You damn right. Just look at that picture right there. Oh my goodness, there's an officer standing at the steps.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:This guy's still got his gun out at the car, which I'm okay with that lane. No, I, I, I love it, but you know it's like this dude just went. I understand there's civilians there, but he is like yeah, here's.
Speaker 1:Here's my main problem with what I see right now is I've got an officer with a handheld radio in his hand. Yep, I have said this a million times on here, guys, it's 2025. Now you should have a fucking earpiece. There is no reason you should be using a handheld radio like a handheld Yep. No excuse for it. Get an earpiece. Ugh, anyway, off my soapbox.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's the same guy that came running up to tell people to.
Speaker 1:No, I don't like that at all For me. You know what I like to tell people what I would like to do in the video from here. What I would do is I am going to get as much of a building side approach as I could get. So for me, I would have everybody stack up over here to the right, where near where this officer is. If you can see my mouse, um, which my boy, he's got a lot of time on the department. I can see that already his give a fuck is out well as many as many units are there.
Speaker 2:You know, grab a shield out of a vehicle and you know three man approach it yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So so I, I would. I would stack up over here on the right, move up with a shield, and if we have one it's lapd. I know they've got shields. So, uh, move up with a shield and get the weapon away, secure him and then start to render aid. Good luck with this guy. He's probably shot a lot.
Speaker 2:Well, and now we've got to check that building. Yeah, I was going to say he's in that apartment complex.
Speaker 1:We've got to send people in. We've got to check every room that's over here, including this house. Yep, so Eye of the Night said two cops, one donut, that's what comes with. Defund the police. What does? What did I miss DLSK? She comes with a window Trying to see if you said something else. I don't understand the context, sir. Mr Bills.
Speaker 2:Radio issue?
Speaker 1:Oh, radio issues. Okay, now that makes sense. Yes, I'm sorry, I get it now. He said I didn't make it as much. As I pointed out, being made whole is not theoretically possible. Any civil rights violation, gotcha. Uh, this is one of those times where you need to listen to the cop when they say you need to back up. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. You know the only thing I would have you know, if possible, when the that pedestrian came running by, if that officer could have grabbed them, that would have been probably yeah.
Speaker 1:And Andy Fletcher this is I like. I like what he's saying here. I understand what he's saying. We're kind of going back and forth on two different topics. But he said, which is precisely why you make your arguments and preserve them in the moment, before they are violated.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know, first and foremost, make sure that officer has a body camera. If he doesn't, let them know, because there are departments that don't have it. Pinell County, arizona, doesn't have it. Where Frank is at, they don't have fucking body cameras. It drives me up, it blows my mind. It blows my mind that they don't have body cameras. I don't agree with it. You need to have body cameras. But dude up by the porch is filing his nails, making pizza orders. He's already let his union rep know I wasn't involved, I didn't shoot I. He's already let his union rep know I wasn't involved, I didn't shoot. I'm good.
Speaker 1:So but the point of the body cams and what Andy Fletcher is saying is, first and foremost, if you feel like your rights are being violated by police, like, hey, do you have a body cam? Is it going Like? If they haven't already told you, I tell people I got a body cam, it's already recording. But if they don't already told you. I tell people I got a body cam, it's already recording.
Speaker 1:But if they don't, all right, I want to get my video. I want to get my camera out to record and let them know that that's what you're going to make sure they're good with it, because if they start freaking out I don't want you to get shot overreaching for your video camera, your phone. But let them know you're going to get your camera on, You're going to start recording and then say, hey, he doesn't have a body cam. I'm recording this for my own safety and I object due to this, this and this. He's asking me to get out of the car or whatever it is. I object, but I'm going to comply because he's telling me to do it. Boom, you've made your objection noted and it's recorded and you've got your own evidence. And I highly recommend everybody out there have your cameras for your phone set to automatically upload to the cloud, that way, if there are any crazy, corrupt motherfuckers out there that want to delete your evidence, they can't get to it.
Speaker 5:They'd already uploaded to the cloud.
Speaker 1:So you heard it. First, I told you how to defeat that system.
Speaker 2:Andy Fletcher, I completely agree with you. It should be something that's federally mandated. But again, it's a funding thing. You federally mandate something, but it doesn't matter if you don't federally fund it they really get you.
Speaker 1:That nobody wants to talk about is the data. The data costs so much fucking money just to hold it, and that's not on the police, that's on the people they buy these cameras from yep, oh, and they're, they're man. Yeah, yeah, buddy, it was it imagine if all your cops were filming 24 7 on their whole shift, like I paid for four cameras at my agency.
Speaker 2:I had four cameras and it cost me in a three-year contract it was 15 000, imagine at agency yeah, that is I was paying for three cameras two thousand pounds looking like.
Speaker 1:Imagine nypd 35 000 cops. Imagine NYPD 35,000 cops LAPD this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, yep, dude, and that's body camera, car camera, drone camera.
Speaker 1:Yeah, real-time crime center camera. Yeah, we're not just talking the body camera part. There's also all these other cameras, the data's insane. Crazy, yeah, insane, but yes, well, no, I disagree. Crazy, yeah, insane, um, but yes, well, no, I disagree. Body cams body cams in themselves are cheap, but data storage over time because you're not getting sued that often. If your department is worth, it's all.
Speaker 2:you're not getting sued that often, this data right here from this incident is a lifetime keep. Yeah, yeah, you can't delete this.
Speaker 1:This data will last forever, yep. So that's another thing to consider is like lifelong data storage. It's insane. So I'm generally against mandates, but this is too important. I agree, like I'm with you. If we're going to mandate something on police work, this is one that I am 100% with you.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that goes down a rabbit hole that is really close to my heart. I spent 16 years in a school.
Speaker 1:Nobody knew he was there either. He's really creepy. I was good at hiding.
Speaker 2:I was good at hiding, but in my you know so since the 1940s there's never been a school. There hasn't been a school fire. There's federal mandated laws in a school on what happens with fire extinguishers and fire suppression and apparatuses. There's not one federally mandated safety and security policy within a school district and we've had a few more incidents at schools.
Speaker 1:Brock said I work as a software engineer. Storage costs a ton of money. Yeah see, not just me, not just me that knows that the body cam issue needs to be locally mandated. Again, I don't disagree, but you got to get the money, you got to make that a part of that purchasing. That's got to be, and only the people have the power when it comes to that stuff. So you got to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somebody wants to take that up and you know, go fight it and fund it. Then I completely agree, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's um, I want to backtrack a little bit and get into what Andy Fletcher was talking about, because I think what he was referring to is important. Um, cause I don't want it to come across like I'm saying that you just you don't get to defend your rights. You just you don't get to defend your rights. What I mean when I tell people that you need to comply with the law, the officers like comply, but make your protest known, make it in just an informational way. All right, sir, you want me to get out of the car? I don't believe I have to get out of the car. I't believe I have to id because this stops illegal, but I'm going to under protest.
Speaker 1:Here's my id that I don't want to give you, uh, and I want it to be for the record on your body camera that you said you're recording with. I am also recording on my phone. Boom, you take that to court and it turns out you was right. You're fucking g like the judge is gonna be. Like the judge is gonna like give you an honorary robe because judges love that shit. I'm telling you, I've seen it. Judges love when a person know, knowingly and respectfully puts a cop in their place and it gets shown up at court.
Speaker 1:I've watched judges giggle like oh, we got your ass we know where this is going yeah and they know, because they were like oh, owned you, you got you not in a, not in a dick way. It's just like the, the prosecutors and the defense attorneys. Afterwards they're fighting tooth and nail in there. Afterwards they're friends, they go and have a drink together. Yep, like it happens all the time.
Speaker 2:So um stan, the man following up on his question earlier. So deputy shows up to a municipal cop scene, who's the overall say same with the state troopers? I've always wondered this. So a deputy or a sheriff is overall the whole county and a municipal cop is, their jurisdiction is the city limits basically most of the time, and then a state trooper is the whole state of Texas. But what's strange about that, guys, is in Texas, me and Eric, we have jurisdiction in the whole state of Texas when it comes to anything felony related.
Speaker 2:Now we can still operate as police officers on the, you know, misdemeanor level, but we're not going to. You know we may act and then call in for you know whoever's local and then call in for whoever's local. But if it's a municipal court scene and a deputy shows up, whoever took that scene, that's who's responsible for it. Unless when we show up like, say, I'm the sheriff and Eric's working the scene and I pull up and he says, hey, you need to take this over and they agree on it. That's something that early on, the city chief and the sheriff have. You know they're going to have agreements on who's in charge at that point. Yep, and the troopers are pretty much in the state of Texas. This is not for all states. They're going to come in and assist and ask us what help we need, if it's a municipal court or municipal cop thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If it's in my city.
Speaker 1:I don't, it's yours, it's mine. I don't give a shit if you're a county deputy or whatever, until somebody of a higher rank calls me in my own department and tells me no, yep, it's mine. Yep, like that's just the way it goes. So Tim Owens said. So here's a question for you. In MEMS it said a cop can only ask you out of the car for officer safety. What if you asked a cop if he scared you? And he says no, scared and safety are two different things. So there's a knowing the difference there.
Speaker 1:And then I've talked about this before Pennsylvania versus MIMS and then Maryland v Wilson. So Penn v MIMS is getting the driver out and then Maryland v Wilson is getting passengers out. Supreme court ruled that temporarily you were allowed to get people to come out of a vehicle and it was from an officer safety case. What the courts never said was that you can only get people out due to officer safety. It was from an officer safety case. So where the courts have kind of left it vague and haven't never really made a ruling since, is basically they gave cops carte blanche over unassing people from the vehicle and it's been challenged a couple times since then and they've stuck with it still, right so want to make an opinion on it yeah, it's like they're not making an opinion on that part because it's a temporary inconvenience is basically the way they worded it.
Speaker 1:So there's a lot of people that say no, you can't pull them out unless it's for officer safety and you got to be able to articulate the officer safety thing. That's not what they determined in this. Agree or disagree. I honestly, if me looking at it, I disagree with that finding. I think you should have to articulate some sort of officer safety for me to pull you out of the car. It's not hard to do.
Speaker 1:I don't want to come across like I couldn't do it, especially if it's next to a freeway. I have hard hearing, especially if it's next to a freeway. I have hard hearing and if I can't hear you and you're doing the window thing and all that shit, I'm going to have you get out of the car. I very rarely want anybody out of the car. I'd rather you be at a disadvantage. Once I can see your hands, I don't want you out of the car. But if there is a reason like I can't hear you, you not want to roll the window down and stuff like that, yeah, there is a reason like I can't hear you not want to roll the window down and stuff like that, yeah, then I'll use it, but I don't agree with it.
Speaker 2:I think you should have to articulate some sort of officer safety and I do think, and I kind of agree with I do think that officer safety the wording has been a catch-all stand, you know, remove your hands out of your pockets, you know, it's a safety thing. I think that has gotten watered down. Maybe that's what I'm looking for. I know what the intent and purpose, for it's kind of like everybody yelling stop resisting, you know, at a certain point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know why they're doing it, but I also know that it it's losing its effectiveness. If that makes sense, yeah, you, you need to be like what I make my officers do as a supervisor holding their feet to the flame. You know. What I mean is I. They'll they'll say, in their use of force, stuff because I have to review it, and they'll say something like um, he continued to resist, so I did this and I affected the arrest and I'm like, nope, I'll kick that report back. How did he resist? With a question like how did he resist? Now, all of this is, you can see this If you were to do like a Freedom of Information Act type thing on the report, you would see. You know, the officer sent it to me to review for approval and I kicked it back and I said you know such and such, how did he resist Like? He said he's resisting Like I.
Speaker 1:If you can't articulate it, it didn't happen. It needs to be articulated and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm pushing my guys to think to, to learn how to speak and say what they're feeling, because at the end of the day, that's all they have. If we don't have video, I need to know. How is he resisting? Well, have, if we don't have video, I need to know. How is he resisting? Well, he was pushing off the ground and I was trying to get him flat and I couldn't because his arms were so stiff. Okay, beautiful, articulate that. Tell me you how you were. And I was yelling at him get flat on your stomach, get on your stomach. And he wasn't. And he started to arch his back and I was falling off of his back. So I I threw a knee strike and then he dropped down to the ground and I'm like, hey, you didn't say any of that. Why didn't you say that? I thought I did. Well, you didn't. You need to articulate that. So I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but you need to tell me, because these are the questions that are going to get asked. Well, how was he resisting? And, to the point of what you know, andy Fletcher and Knight of the Eye, or whatever the fuck his name was Sorry, I've been drinking Eye of the Night said these are the things that you need to know. You've got to be able to articulate that stuff.
Speaker 1:So, if I'm going to have you step out of the car for my officer safety, I need to articulate that that's my opinion. It's not what the courts say, but my opinion would be all right, dude, you won't roll your window down. I've got cars flying by. I can't hear your ass. I got shit hearing as it is. I went over to the passenger side to see if you'd roll that window down all the way so I could hear you better. And you wouldn't do it. So now you gotta get out of the car. That's when I'm gonna use the court case. You got to get out of the car, but I can articulate that I am not just going to say and step out of the car, not without a reason. So, um, I don't think we watched on here. What did he say? Did we already see the elderly dementia patient case that had a silver alert out and the dude got? No, I watched that one. I know what you're talking about. Shit. We should have loaded that one up.
Speaker 2:That's a good video um, I haven't seen that one yeah, um, I I have the night.
Speaker 1:I will tell you my opinion on that one is um, I'm not on the. I'm not on the side of the cops on that one. Um, not on the side of the cops. Uh, I will tell you that the part that does suck is like silver alerts for elderly people missing. They happen all the time and it's one of those things you get desensitized about and if it happens outside of your city, you don't really see it that the message goes out, but it comes with a bunch of other messages from other cities and shit that you see.
Speaker 1:Um, andy Fletcher said you seem to be a good guy though, eric, you know how it is man Like you get to see me as much as you can on the internet. How well do you really know me personally? You don't. Um, I can tell you that I am being a hundred percent genuine on here, exactly how I am in the police field, and if you ever figure out where I'm at, I welcome you to FOIA any body cam video ever on me and sit back and enjoy the show, cause I talk the same way on my body cams that I talked to y'all. Um, I just have fun on patrol. I do, I love it. I really have a good time out there. And, um, I had a guy pressing his weenie up against a Verizon window the other day and it was a good call. It was a fun call.
Speaker 1:I wish you could have been a part and heard the way that that conversation went down. You would have seen me correcting my officers. They came and one's trying to talk while the other one's trying to talk to the same guy and when Sarge shows up on scene, they tend to to like they want to do everything by the book and they don't want to mess up, so there's undue pressure on them. So I understand why they were acting the way they would. They probably wouldn't have been that way normally, but I had to like hey, one talk, you let him talk. He's already was talking, let him be the talker.
Speaker 1:And I'm like slowing things down. Do we Like, do we have somebody that wants to be a victim or they just want him out of here Cause they were ready to arrest? They were like let's just put them in cuffs, get them out of here. Fair enough, you could have done that, but let's go in and see what the employee here really wants done. No, I just want them out of here. Criminal trespass Cool. All right, sir, here's your warning, here's your thing. Let's get you somewhere else. So that's just how I roll. We should be taught in school the rules and regulations of the place we live. Seems fair. I am a big fan of Brian Thompson Wiener by Verizon. And Brian Thompson wiener by Verizon. No, it wasn't raw weenie, it was through the underwear weenie.
Speaker 1:So he was very aware of what he was doing. Yeah, to be fair, it was getting cold. I think he was trying to get ahead of a possible cold front.
Speaker 2:He was a homeless guy. He wanted a place to sleep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he wanted a place to sleep. Yeah, three hats and a cot. Yep.
Speaker 2:And it happens. That's part of when you work those environments. You know that cold nights like tonight in Dallas and Thursday night y'all are supposed to get four inches of snow in north texas yeah.
Speaker 1:so I had an idea. I want you guys in the audience kind of tell me if you think this would work. Um, cold weather is coming and the shelters get filled up really fast where I'm at. So one of the things that I wanted to do was, instead of like the blankets and stuff like that because all sorts of organizations do this my outside the box idea was I wanted to get some thermoses for my officers, and if they found a homeless person that didn't want to go to the shelter because we'll get those and we know it's going to be freezing, cold temperatures we'll have some thermoses that we can go back and fill up with hot water or coffee and bring it to them, and it's something that they could at least be hot and sip on while they suffer in silence, because that, literally, is just how some of these guys want to be.
Speaker 2:Hey, that might be how you get your next sponsor.
Speaker 1:So you know, not only am I getting my homeless people wasted, they're dying in the cold because I made them drink whiskey.
Speaker 2:Oh, but the idea is just now. I think that's good.
Speaker 1:I mean have a thermos like something, so they could constantly have something warm in their you know, in their stomach, um, because I've done the blanket thing and whatnot. It doesn't. It's nothing like having something hot to drink while you're you're cold. I grew up in michigan, so that's just me, um, and it's supposed to be like 10 tonight. Yeah, uh, I don't care who you are, that's fucking cold, um. But yeah, somebody called me. Sorry, I'm just looking at my messages. Um, they probably called while I was doing this, obviously, um, but yeah, that's the idea I had.
Speaker 1:So let me go to the next video here. How long is this one? Three minutes, okay. Cool share screen. Nope, that's the wrong one. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Here we go, biggie size and play.
Speaker 2:Alright, you said it by the way, biggie size, I don't even realize. I said it and play All right, you said it. By the way, biggie size, I don't even realize.
Speaker 1:I said it.
Speaker 2:We should have a counter. What's up, man Stop.
Speaker 1:All right, I don't know why we're trying to pull him over, but we have given a lawful order. Lights are on Fully marked police car. He said stop and this guy's not stopping.
Speaker 5:Stop right there.
Speaker 1:Stop right there. He told him again Are you shitting me? You hear what song he's listening to?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's jamming to it too, buddy, he is jamming to it too.
Speaker 1:Buddy, he is on the bike. Bro, if you get in a chase, listen to. The girls want to have fun I would not let him live this down. He's clean, all right. I've been calling out directions all right end of the night. Guys, this isn't the biggest deal in the world. We don't know why we were called here. I highly doubt he just happened to come upon this guy riding a bike and was like I'm gonna stop him, um.
Speaker 2:But so I already have pc in my oh absolutely, he just fucking ran across he doesn't have lights to the rear.
Speaker 1:He he doesn't have lights to the front.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have a headlight. Yeah, he doesn't have a headlight.
Speaker 1:He needs to have a red light to the rear. There's all sorts of little things you need. He's riding on the wrong side of the road. You still got to act like a regular vehicle when riding a bike. Oh, he's digging. I don't know that. I agree with that. All right, I hope we have a reason for that maybe his hands were full and the car just pulled I mean he was digging, but I didn't tell you what he got. If he got anything, maybe he's throwing dope.
Speaker 3:What the fuck dude? Seriously, what the fuck man? I didn't fucking do that. Why'd you do that? What the fuck? Put your hands behind your fucking back. Huh, I didn't fucking do anything. Get on, you fucking hit me in the car, bro.
Speaker 6:You're right, you did get in the car you did Holy shit Listen him with a car you did. Holy.
Speaker 1:Listen, I'm telling you right now if that dude just threw dope, that is not a reason to hit him with your car, that is not a reason to hit him with a car.
Speaker 2:So, Ozark said did you see the gun?
Speaker 1:Okay, if he had a gun, that's different.
Speaker 2:It changes the whole game. Okay, except for you don't want to pull the light pole down on your car.
Speaker 1:True? Okay, I'll say this If it was dope, no, you shouldn't hit him with your car. If it's a gun, yes, I'm okay with that, because you cannot be failing to stop from police and then, in the process, digging a gun out of your coat or whatever. No, we're not taking that chance. You're definitely going to get hit by the car. Okay, some of you are too motivated and are working ahead. Slow down, yeah.
Speaker 3:We've never watched this. What the fuck dude. Ha, ha Ha. I need to get my fucking leg bro Sit. Still I can't. He must have cut the fucking leg bro Sit still I can't.
Speaker 1:He must have cut the music off, though. What'd you throw. I love how plummy he is. Yeah, the very tune.
Speaker 3:I mean, why the fuck did you stop me Get up? You know why I just stopped me. I stopped you because you were laying on the ground. I wasn't laying on the ground, bro. Okay, get up. I didn't even pick my backpack up.
Speaker 1:Like what the fuck dude? Spread your feet. He stopped him because he was laying on the ground.
Speaker 2:You can't lay on the ground.
Speaker 1:Is that not legal? This looks like Florida, but I'm not sure If it's.
Speaker 2:Florida, there's probably a law against it.
Speaker 1:No laying on the ground at night I mean it probably would be dumb.
Speaker 1:There might be an alligator in that ditch like possibly okay if his reason was because he was laying on the ground. Yeah, that's weird, that's that. That's not exactly where I would. That's not, let's put it that way. However, if he was like this dude laid down when I made the corner and I believed he was trying to lay down to evade me, and it's nighttime, it's midnight and we're in a residential neighborhood and he's out riding around on a bike with no lights on, now we've got some articulation. See how articulation works. It starts to make a little more sense when you can put all these factors together. So you can't just hold what he says here on camera necessarily to the fire, because that may be what he went to put in his report. He just didn't tell this dude.
Speaker 2:Tim says the whole thing is messed up Seriously bro, yeah, it is. Where are you coming?
Speaker 3:from I'm messed up Seriously, bro. Yeah, it is. Where are you coming?
Speaker 2:from.
Speaker 3:I'm going to my house, bro. Where are you coming from? I'm going to Frank's house, man, where? Is that. Down in the W section, woodhull. Maybe they're all freaking out over there, bro.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pause it real quick for this question. Freeman Key said Eric, can you ever deal with someone? I'm going to pause it real quick for this question. Freeman Key said Eric, can you ever deal with someone who is armed? Because most of the Florida videos they have to disarm everybody without a badge. Serious question. We deal with people in Texas that are armed all the time. I don't take their gun from them. I don't disarm them Because, especially when they're like yeah, I got a gun on my right hip, Okay cool, Just don't reacharm them, because, especially when they're like yeah, I got a gun on my right hip, Okay cool, Just don't reach for that, please. It's pretty much how we do it. Florida may be different. I'm not in Florida. Cree Gordon said it's in Florida. Okay, so I was right, and you?
Speaker 2:know I would say that you know a piece of us. Being from Texas, we're a little desensitized to seeing guns and things like that and so we are a lot. We don't deal with it the same way as if we were in another state that doesn't have it as popular as we do. And you know it'd be like a magnet, you know a microscope, because I could see how they would focus on it because they don't deal with it yeah, tim said dude, shut up.
Speaker 1:I'm talking to the guy in the video.
Speaker 3:All right, let's uh fucking do nothing wrong, bro. I'm laying on the ground. That's fucking crazy, bro. My floor is fucking hitting you hard bro. It's fucking insane. I have to do my trick down, dude. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm not trying to run Like I just want to fucking go home, man. Like what the fuck? Mike? Mike, I'm not going to hit you with a car, man. I asked you to stop. I know, but I don't want to.
Speaker 1:I asked you to stop. I know, but I don't know. Here's my problem. Like, if I was a defense attorney and I was going to start to tear this up, this cop asked him what he threw. Yep, like I would have been like, dude, I saw you toss a gun, you know what I mean. Like you just hit him with a car. Did you know that he threw a gun? Are you trying? You trying to like see if he'll own up to throwing the gun?
Speaker 1:So I'm not necessarily saying he didn't know that it was a gun, but you asked him what he threw. So if I'm gonna go to defense attorney, I'm gonna be like well, did you even you hit him with a car and you didn't know what he threw? Like if he had thrown a gun, like that makes sense. Like you were defending yourself, because a reasonable person doesn't start digging for a gun while cops actively trying to pull them over and has already told him to stop and has his lights and sirens going like and he's playing, girls just want to have fun. Like that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't have to show where the handgun no that's all there is that was a holster and a four gun.
Speaker 2:That last thing he was handing.
Speaker 1:Oh was it.
Speaker 2:His soft holster.
Speaker 1:Oh no, you're right, that is a holster. Yeah, yeah. Where did the handgun go?
Speaker 1:That's what he's asking. Where did the handgun go? Okay, okay, stop sharing. So, yeah, my thoughts and opinions on that, on the citizen side of that like laying down is not a crime However, got to take, in the totality of the circumstances, a good cop and you guys tell me if I'm wrong If I'm going to be a good cop and I'm going to be proactive and I'm going to try to stop crime from happening, because, let's face it, there's not a lot of calls going out from midnight to 4 am, but that's when the most crimes happen, that's when everything's going down, that's when people are breaking into your cars and breaking into your house and your garages and taking your shit.
Speaker 1:So it's midnight and I see a dude laying down in the dark on a bike. So I'm like, let me go over and make contact with this dude and he gets on his bike, he starts to pedal away. I haven't lit my lights up yet, but then I noticed he's got no lights on his bike. He's riding around in the dark. These things stand out. So I try to make a stop. I think that's reasonable, articulable suspicion. Maybe something's afoot. So now I tell you to stop, and you don't, and you cut across the road illegally. Now you're on a public roadway with your bike, not having the proper lighting, so we have a legal traffic stop. You continue to flee and you start digging in your, your coat and the next thing we see is a gun. So if you articulate this the right way, if that was the way you were thinking, yeah, I think this was fine.
Speaker 1:So, um, I'm not sure what y'all, what y'all, think about that. Um, stan, the man said in my state just announced you have one. There's usually not a issue. They typically ask you what you have and if you like it. Yeah, you're not wrong. That's usually how I start out my conversation. Um, if I don't ask everybody either, I'll pull them over.
Speaker 1:If I pulled you over, hey, officer levine, reason I pulled you over is for this, any reason why you did that? And then sometimes I have a very good excuse for why they did what they did. I'm like, all right, cool, that makes sense. Me just run you and make sure you're not, you know, wanted for murder, um, or anything crazy, and I'll be right back and I'll come back. No, they're not wanted for murder. Boom and uh. That's the end of the stop for me.
Speaker 1:But sometimes you get a little feeling and you're like you got any weapons in the car. Yeah, man, I got a glock 19 on my right hip, okay, cool, uh, just do me a favor, make sure that stays there. Um, I'm gonna go back to my car. If you could, could you just, for me, just keep your hands on the window so while I'm in my car, I can see that you didn't dig for your gun and I've explained why. And usually, if you explain why, the person's like oh yeah, I didn't even think of that, because they're not a cop, they don't think like we do. Oh cool, yeah, I can do that. I'm not gonna take your gun from you, but just do me that courtesy. And if they're like no, which they have the right to do, okay, cool. Well, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna just hold off. I'm gonna stay right here with you. I'm gonna ask for backup to come so they can just keep an eye while I'm back there, because the problem for me is the officer safety. I have to type stuff and look down a bunch, and that makes me not have to have my eyes on you. So that's an officer safety issue. So I'm going to wait for another officer to get out here, and once they get here, I'll finish the rest of this and then usually, oh, okay, well, I'll keep my hands on the window for you then. Okay, cool, appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Education's occurred, understanding's occurred, and the why the why is the biggest part People wondering why. So for any officers out there listening and they're like, oh shit, I never thought of that. This is what time and experience gets you. I didn't think of it either. It's not my idea, I got it from somebody else. Little pieces from officers I've seen along the way. I'm like, oh shit, I never thought to have them put their hands on the window. That makes sense. So what is that? If it had been Depeche Mode, I would have expected more chase. I like it. Oh yeah, I'm a big fan of a little bit of Beastie Boys sabotage for a good police chase. That's my go-to baby. Let me go to the next video here. Brian Thompson oh shit, let me put that out there. Brian Thompson Nope, I clicked the wrong one has become a Baker's Dozen member of our YouTube channel. Thank you so much. I just want you to know that by you guys becoming and you don't hear me pitch this shit, guys If you do it. That means more to me than me sitting here being like hey, could you guys become a member? No, I don't do that shit, brian.
Speaker 1:Your contributions are directly the reason we're able to do what we do. There's no profit in what we do, it's all negative. This website update I just did that's 550 bucks a year. I'm only saying this so you guys kind of have an idea of what I'm trying to do. If I could break even every year, great Been doing this four years.
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Speaker 2:We're still learning, we're figuring it out.
Speaker 1:How the fuck do I get you an emote? Is that a thing I can make? No emojis. Emojis Is that something that I do on?
Speaker 2:my side, I think. So I don't know. I don't know if it's set up in YouTube or where it is. I don't know, because I was trying to add a donut emoji earlier and it wouldn't let me. Really, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, guys, if we're going to be honest, this is in Alan's realm. This is what he needs to get. Some of the things we're trying to get for the future is we're trying to get Discord. We want to get a Discord channel. We want to get Kick along with we have Twitch along with we have Twitch, but it's only a matter of time before Twitch doesn't let me stream anymore because they don't like the gun violence stuff that we see.
Speaker 2:So is what it is which amazes me, because you can do video like playing games, of all the videos.
Speaker 1:Right, right, tim said need a core sponsor, we're Red Bull when you need them. Yeah, right, I wish, I wish man. Hey, we'll just keep doing it guys. I'm never gonna stop doing this because I just have fun doing it. It's fun for me and I'm hoping it makes a difference. But, um, my brain and my squirrelness as alan, I constantly new ideas, new things that I'm trying, uh. So I'm going to keep doing it, but, yeah, let me go to the next video.
Speaker 2:I would wonder, like how many hours a week you spend on the show.
Speaker 1:Oh Lord. Like it's pretty impressive Like when I pop a video out almost every day, I spend a lot of time.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, it's impressive. I have to say it's uh, you're motivated. I, I love it. Obsessive, compulsive that's yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, biggie says and play. All right, let's go with the next one service number seven nine zero.
Speaker 5:Can you start me at 10 19?
Speaker 6:I need a 1019 for AP. Come here, we're going to be on the right side of the car.
Speaker 2:I thought I recognized that. Come on, move over what's up, sir.
Speaker 6:I'll go to the front of my car. Come on, move over.
Speaker 3:You're not under arrest. You're detained right now. Walk over there. What?
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm not upset with the conversation. Why man he's asking questions? Asking questions it's his right to do. He tells him you're not under arrest, but you are detained because he wanted him to come over in front of the car. He's like no, am I under arrest? And said no, but you are detained.
Speaker 6:We're crossing the street without a crosswalk. Go, walk over there.
Speaker 1:Okay, for crossing the street without a crosswalk. Okay, it is a law in some places. I don't think it is where I'm at, but it actually. Yeah, it is a law in some places. I don't think it is where I'm at, but it actually yeah, it is, yeah, it is yeah it is I forgot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um jaywalking, I guess you should say um so well, and you, we, you know working that beat, he probably knows this guy, he probably oh yeah, yeah, there's something else going on behind some of this yeah, they're using it just to make contact.
Speaker 1:So let's see, see how this plays out.
Speaker 3:I ain't looking for an apology. Come over here right now, before I put you in handcuffs, sir.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're Okay. Again, not my style, but I'm not going to. I'm not going to get onto this guy. Again, not my style, but I'm not going to get onto this guy. We're trying to get him over. So for me, from here, I would do the reset. I like playing the reset. Hey, sorry, I have had a bad day. Let me apologize. Can you please come over here so we can talk? I don't want you close to the road, but you are detained. See where that gets me.
Speaker 3:That's where I would go from here.
Speaker 1:I listen to shit Come over here.
Speaker 3:I apologize. All right, come over here right now. Get over here right now, stop. I'm sorry, dude, I ain't looking for an apology, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:All right, now I'm getting indicators that you're going to run, so now we're going to have some problems. How deep do you want to go? For me personally, this is just me, and you guys can get pissed off at me all you want. If this guy goes and rabbits, I'm done. I'm not chasing him. Nope, I'm done. I'm not chasing him. Nope, I'm not. I'm not. I'm like fuck it, I ain't going after him.
Speaker 2:I was trying, I was digging I'm probably going to put my foot on his bag. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, if I can get there, because I don't think he's going to leave without his bag. That's what on behind him.
Speaker 1:Right, right. So for me it's not. This ain't worth it. For me I'm not. I'm not. You know, cree Gordon said is it a justifiable stop? Yes. Is it a chicken shit? Stop, yes. But again, we don't know the history of this guy. This might be somebody they know and they've been trying to get slipping and he finally slipped and so they got him. You know typically, and he's got the whole burglar profile going on. So let's see.
Speaker 3:You know what? I'm sorry, man, take it off.
Speaker 6:Oh well, this is running Left the bag, all right, I'm sorry man Take off oh he's running, left the bag, all right, I'm on my way, he's stripping everything.
Speaker 3:Into a parking garage. Stop, Motherfucker, get your ass out of here fucking.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's the sketch. I'm taking corners slower, he's going into them hard, I'm not. Corners slower, he's going into them hard, I'm not doing that, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:So there he's, right in front of us. Get the fuck on the ground. Oh, he just got over.
Speaker 1:I'm getting into a basketball jersey. Now he's been in three different outfits.
Speaker 6:We got a video call. Who's over? I don't have. He's been in three different outfits.
Speaker 1:This is a Crown Big Stop, wasn't it? Sounds like it. I'm not going to lie. If it's a homeless dude and we're chasing him a long time, my guard starts to go down. It really does, unintentionally, but it does start to go down.
Speaker 3:Fuck you up. You're going to get tased, bro. I'm going to fucking tase you. Get the fuck on the ground.
Speaker 1:Get up there, get up there, get up there. He's the only one he has a fucking gun. That's good information to have. So he sees a gun. I'm glad you found it.
Speaker 2:How many times do you go to the range and purposefully shoot? One handed Never.
Speaker 1:Other than you know when you're told to.
Speaker 2:Yeah because your arm has been shot, or something like that.
Speaker 5:Well, he was dual wielding to yeah, yeah, because your arm has been shot or something. The shot's fired.
Speaker 1:Well, he was dual wielding, he was transitioning.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he was. He had that taser out, didn't he?
Speaker 1:He was the only one shooting. Again, nobody else shot. That's something to question. Yeah. That looks like he's trying to shoot himself. Yep, is that the position you see? Yep, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, and that's what 40 yards? I mean 30 yards. Yeah, that looks like a good distance, and that's what 40 yards I mean 30 yards, Shit.
Speaker 1:yeah, that looks like a good distance, but I'm going to go back just a little bit. You don't hear.
Speaker 3:I don't hear any gunfire other than this dude.
Speaker 5:And there's a fucking gun Drop it, drop it. I hear him saying drop it, drop it.
Speaker 2:I hear him saying drop it that one over here. The tree shot too, are you sure? Yeah, there's. I hear another gunshot that was him. I hear another gunshot that was him that was him.
Speaker 5:That was him. Now. There was one one like in between.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I did hear it. Yeah, you're right. Somebody else clipped that. Who was it? Marine Blood said he unalived himself, so that may have been the shot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it could have been.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Damn. I don't know, man, I'm not, I don't think I would, when you're holding yourself hostage like that.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, there's so many there's like in that there was several pieces of cover, like I don't know. It just makes you like when did the gun come? Like he's lucky. Honestly, he didn't fall down in that water ravine, like you know. He started to slip when he was coming up with the taser in his hand and you've talked about it in the past, about running with a taser or gun out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just going through the comments here. Running with a taser or gun out yeah, just going through the comments here, cree said I think he had a taser in the left hand. Yeah, I believe you're right. Angry Sarge said the way he dropped looked like he shot himself. Yeah, so I think you're right. And David Edmondson brings up a good point. It could be the echoes of the shots Definitely possible. Freeman said Eric, can I send you an email? I have a question that we can't talk about in here. Awesome, not a big deal. Yeah, two cops, one donut at yahoocom I'll actually type it out in the chat and two cops one donut at yahoocom.
Speaker 2:mr bill phil, who's gonna pay the jaywalking ticket?
Speaker 1:now we're fine, now right. And and then, ultimately, when you get involved ina shooting this is something officers have to consider. Like when you get into a shooting, they are going to come after you and be like what was the offense, and then you it's going to be jaywalking Like that's what's going to come of that, yeah.
Speaker 2:And in the state of Texas you're going to grand jury. It's not a question, yeah, like it's going to happen. And what that means is, if there's an officer shooting like this, that you have to go to the district attorney's office and you know they're going to put you in front of the grand jury and present the case like they would any other case and it's going to be billed or no bill. And you know if it's a good shooting, then it's no bill. If it's a bad shooting, then it's going to be billed and there's going to be a warrant.
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Speaker 1:So I'm like, well, it doesn't work, like, but what do I know? I'm not a fucking marketing genius, mr, I'd like my badge made of lead, please, and thank you. Um, sir, I don't. I think you're getting uh, all the tin they have out there.
Speaker 2:I don't it's pretty heavy dude like it's yeah, it's a.
Speaker 1:This is better than my real badge. No, I would completely agree. This is better than my real badge.
Speaker 2:This is a beefy, some bitch I already told, like my department, they needed to switch from who they've been using for 40 years. I'm like, yeah, guys, they make a better quality piece of. Yeah, it is a beefy badge.
Speaker 1:So, um, all right, we're gonna keep going. Let's go. Let's get another video up here. Uh, let's see share screen. Yes, sir, boom, boom, boom, boom, biggie size and play. Okay, yeah, we're playing. All right, we're at a really fun house, all right. We've used a first name right out the gate, so that is something to take note of. We know who we're dealing with. Um, we've got the typical when a a cop rolls up rabbit eyes. I'm going to get the fuck out of here, so they don't try to stop me. Uh, to see if that works, you're under arrest. Don't run.
Speaker 1:Automatically you're under arrest, don't run. So you do not have anything in your defense to say I didn't know. He's told you and that kind of looks like a box cutter in the right left hand. I think it was a phone. It could be a phone.
Speaker 2:When his hand was up higher.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just saying what it looks like right now. That kind of looks like a box cutter, but that could be wrong.
Speaker 3:Nope, nope, do not run. Put your hands behind your back.
Speaker 2:put your hands behind your back okay, I saw that backpack coming off just like that when he grabbed it so for me.
Speaker 1:I've already told you you're under arrest and now you're starting to run. I am taking your ass to the ground. You're going down quick, fast and in a hurry. A hurry, that's me. If I know that you are under arrest and you continue to do this, there's no de-escalation. You're going to the ground. Got it out on the radio. I'm so confused at where we're at. He's digging.
Speaker 3:Do not reach, do not reach.
Speaker 1:What the fuck is he grabbing? He got something. Drop it, nigga.
Speaker 7:Drop it and he called him an N-word. Let go of it Knee strikes right there no.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not, not me personally. I am controlling like there's no, I'm saying you know if I'm not the guy, if there's two officers there, yes, yeah, okay, right now, in the position he's in, he's in a mounted it looks like he's in a mounted position. For me, control is of the utmost importance right now and I'm going to try to keep that hand with the needle under control because I'm not getting stuck with that bullshit.
Speaker 3:Drop the needle. Drop it now. Get off my fucking arms. Drop the needle, get off me.
Speaker 1:If you have a child 12 or older and you'd like to get into the best university possible? I have something very important to tell you. Okay, I like he's trying to break it of some sort. Yeah, let's keep going Drop the needle.
Speaker 3:There we go, go on your stomach.
Speaker 1:Now he's got him in what we like to call a. Just let me up dude and I'll get on.
Speaker 3:Just let me up. Dude just let me up and I'll get on my head.
Speaker 1:It's not a speed belt position. I can't think of what the name of the position is.
Speaker 7:I'm telling you, just let me up and I'll put my head down what the name of this position is.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you, just let me up and I'll put my hands down.
Speaker 1:See, this is. There's no time for debate here. You don't get to. Just let me get up and I'll.
Speaker 1:No, you've forfeited any sort of arguments towards your position here. You're going to listen to exactly what I say, and from here, where we need him to go is to his stomach. Yep, um, the way that gift wrap that's what that's called. He's got his arm. It's a gift wrap position is what we call it in a jujitsu.
Speaker 1:So what I want is I'm I'm holding that wrist and I'm going to keep pulling that wrist until he gets flat on his stomach and it's going to continue to be like this around his. It's going to look like it's choking him, but it's not. It's not choking him at all. But, um, what it is doing is controlling his body. So you're going to get that griff gift wrap position, put him to his stomach, and then now we're going to use that arm that's in the gift wrap position to start putting him into a handcuffing position. So then, once we get him into that handcuffing position, um, and he's secured, then we can start doing all that shit this negotiation, shit about you having some control over what's happening. You lost all that when you decided to fight and then try to pull a fucking needle on me and infect me with whatever god knows what you have. Um, yeah, because the the grabbing the needle is is more heinous, in my opinion, than you just trying to stab me with a knife.
Speaker 5:Yep.
Speaker 1:Okay, you try to stab me with a knife, that's a, that's a. You know, in the moment passion thing, okay, stabbings happen, I get it. But you stabbing me with a needle, you telling me you know something about what that needle is going to have on it needle you're telling me you know something about what that needle is going to have on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, look you saw his hands and how infected and all that he's double sticking and yeah, that's enough yeah, no fucking thing.
Speaker 1:Marine blood said uh, I once found a needle embedded in a package of diapers, of all the things to do. Hopefully, whoever left it wasn't injecting themselves with something. Yeah, mr Billfold said okay, there needs to be pressure on the carotid or small joint. That you can't, mr Billfold. You can't put pressure on the carotid, not in police work or small joint manipulation. Agreed, that's what he's doing with this gift wrap, that is, this is actually a very good spot for control. I do this, me personally. I do this one all the time. This is my go-to. Once they're on the ground, I want to get them in a gift wrap. Survival tactics, which is what law enforcement should be learning. Shout out to Gracie's survival tactics. I was an instructor for them for a little bit. This is one of the main positions they teach, but this is where they should be.
Speaker 1:A crippling level of pain used to gain control. I'm not against the pain compliance, absolutely. You're trying to stab me with a thing. Could you justify carotid when they're trying to stab me with a thing? Could you justify carotid when they're trying to stab you with a needle? He?
Speaker 2:knows who he is.
Speaker 1:I think you could. Alan, are you going to risk it? Nope, I don't think I'm going to risk it either. This is what's happened to law enforcement. You guys, you've scared us away from the neck. So bad. I just I'm not going to touch that motherfucker, not gonna touch that neck unless, like, because ultimately, a needle isn't going to kill me immediately well, and I think you know, uh, that for me, I've told him several times and we're we're gonna go to work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I I think there's a little too much talking going on here and we just need to handle business and yep get it done, let's keep going your stomach
Speaker 7:no, just let me get the up, dude, and I'll put my hands behind my back. Put my hands behind my back.
Speaker 3:Just let me get up Dude, roll onto your stomach. I can't fucking roll onto my fucking stomach. Listen to what I'm saying, dude, just let me up. Listen to what I'm saying Put my hands behind my back.
Speaker 1:This guy's trying to have a level of control over the situation. That's what this is. This happens a lot and you can tell those people right away.
Speaker 3:He's trying to make excuses why he can't roll onto his stomach and he's lying. It's not true. Listen to what I'm saying. I'm gonna roll you on your side. I'm gonna roll you on your side. Put your hands behind your back, put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back. You fucking motherfucker dude, stop.
Speaker 6:Weird he got to his stomach. How did that happen? Ha ha.
Speaker 7:Bro, you don't have to be like that. Just pick me up and I'll go fucking quietly. Just pick me the fuck up, dude, fuckin' idiot.
Speaker 3:Just get them out of here. So we tried to go out on a limb for any officers out there Anytime you've told somebody they need to calm down right now. That's what you need to do first.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to go out on a limb for any officers out there. Anytime you've told somebody they need to calm down, has that ever worked? Has it ever worked in the history of policing? Hey, you need to calm down and they're like ah, I think I got a black eye that one time.
Speaker 2:I told my wife to calm down.
Speaker 1:Oh man, let me see. Mr Belfort said yes, it's a way of applying pressure to a finger joint. It's unbelievably painful and it's easy to hold on to. Oh, I know what he's talking about. Just the knuckle lock. Yeah, it does hurt, he ain't lying. The problem is if you break it. So I love the peanut gallery. Did you hear them like telling them that they're wrong for what they're doing to this guy? And this is this is the difference between what is actually happening versus what you see. And we all seen this dude intentionally trying to get a needle out to stab the officer. Meanwhile, this peanut gallery never saw any of that. So she's back there talking some shit. So Freeman said they need to calm down and relax from the cop's vernacular.
Speaker 3:That's all I fucking asked in the beginning is just to fucking get me up on my feet and put my hands down, my fucking back. Take a breath. See that type of behavior right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he just tried to kick his legs into the car.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I understand that Stop resisting.
Speaker 7:Stop kicking against officers, stop being a fucking cunt dude. Stop being a fucking cunt, okay.
Speaker 3:Well, we're going to be here as long as you need to be here, don Don't try and bite me, you motherfucker bro. Just stand me, the fuck up, dude.
Speaker 1:You need to calm down, you need to take a breath and you need to listen to what we're telling you. Just stand me the fuck up, bro. No, that's not how this works.
Speaker 7:Dude, you fucking break my fucking hand. Dude, I'm going to fucking smash. I'm not even putting pressure on you. Ah, dude, I'm not talking about touching your hand. Yeah, you were.
Speaker 2:He says I'm the only one touching your hand, we're not moving you until you relax and are compliant with us?
Speaker 7:No, but I'm not going to fucking relax and be fucking compliant, then we're going to stay here for a minute. Dude, take a fuck off me bro. You need to take a breath, bro. Just let me the fuck up y'all.
Speaker 3:Marine Boyd said rephrase calm down with wo. Rephrase Calm Down with Lusa, bad boys reference.
Speaker 7:Can you just tell me Cap? That's all I fucking asked you to fucking let me up dude, that's all I asked.
Speaker 1:Alright, I'm going to stop this from here. Just because you don't get any. You don't get to try to stab me with the needle and then request things. It's all I ask. It's all I ask. No, fuck off, we're done. You've lost any rapport that you're going to gain with me. Banning said people calm down for me when I ask nicely. I think what Banning's really saying is people calm down for him when he asks nicely, because you're a fucking monster yeah, we wouldn't have to worry about that, any of that video with banning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they're gonna be locked up and they're like here, let me put my hand on my back. Yeah, that's horse shit banning.
Speaker 1:uh, tim said this guy looks totally calm. So nice Eye of the Night said my favorite is when cops start yelling calm down at distraught parents of the family who are dealing with a loss missing or injury. Yeah, yeah, that is your complete officer that doesn't know how to read social cues.
Speaker 2:That does happen. Is that a requirement in law enforcement?
Speaker 1:It is not. It's one of those things, you know somebody was mentioning and talking about it earlier, as far as you know hiring process and whatnot and one of the things that we can't do, guys, that I wish we could, is hire for social skills. It's not a thing, no-transcript. What are you drinking there, mister? I'm not gonna say it because I can't say it on here, but you know exactly what I'm thinking right now. You know exactly what I'm thinking about you drinking that. I don't agree with it. I don't agree with that, sir. How dare you?
Speaker 1:that is not two cops one. Two Cops One Donut approved at all.
Speaker 2:That's because you didn't send me home with that bottle. That's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's your fault. Full discretion here. I meant to send Alan home with a bottle of booze for all his work that he did over here, and I was out of it, dude.
Speaker 2:I will have to say you have a past, because when I saw you yesterday I was like, yeah, you need to go back inside.
Speaker 1:I don't want whatever you have. My brain just wasn't fully functioning, but yeah, I can't say what I want to say. But y'all know damn well that that drink is not two cops one donut approved.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to have to work on this. Sorry, I can't do the beer, Freeman Keyes said does. Alan squat to pee.
Speaker 1:All right, fuckers, let him have it, y'all Let him have it If it ain't whiskey and it ain't Coors.
Speaker 2:I'm allergic to beer. Okay, I'm sorry. Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:Yep yep.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Mr Bill Full hey, what'd he say?
Speaker 1:I missed it uh, I drink those too. Oh oh, does he really I? Will support you yeah, steve, steve got your ass. Steve couldn't find a Zima.
Speaker 2:He's dropping his Jolly Ranchers.
Speaker 1:Dude, I haven't seen a Zima in years. He's dropping his Jolly Ranchers down there to make them taste better Skittles. I remember girls doing that with Zima dropping Skittles in there James Monday. James Monday that's probably his first time ever commenting and he said he sits to fart.
Speaker 2:Glad to have him on board. Thanks, james. Monday I'm here to support deep burn.
Speaker 1:That's such deep burn. I love it. Oh, mr Bill, I sit with Alan I have to.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go put a star on that one.
Speaker 1:We got a new hashtag, folks. I sit with Alan oh Freeman said and was that a straw? Do you have a straw in your bottle?
Speaker 2:No, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, the Lord help you. If you did, that would have been the end of Alan. He would have been retired from Two Cops, one Donut. He had a straw in his drink.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go get one just for that. Oh, my stomach hurts. You're not getting a discord now?
Speaker 1:oh you fools. You got me, you got me good, oh shit, all right, let's go. The next video is only a minute 23, so let's go. We'll probably cut it off at about three.
Speaker 2:My eyes, my face, hurts from laughing oh my gosh, yes, tim, that I don't have facial hair because, alright, alright.
Speaker 1:Biggie says that there, bam, that's a door, that is a door, holy hell, I want that. Where's the baby? Oh choking baby. Where's the baby? Oh Choking baby oh.
Speaker 7:Just start pounding on that back if I'm down there, you go, there you go. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. Yes.
Speaker 5:Yes, yes. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, I got an album, all right. Oh, here comes the fire department Good job.
Speaker 1:Yeah God, that is an emotional fucking roller coaster. Because while you're doing it, when you get there and you're going through that like you're not thinking about anything, just beat the shit out of this baby and get that crap out of him. And the moment you hear that cry, that's all you're waiting for and it's just like, oh, then everything hits you all at once. You may have just started your shift and it will feel like you've just pulled a 15-hour shift and you're going to be like, oh my God, I'm done, hold a 15 hour shift. And you're going to be like, oh my God, I'm done.
Speaker 1:And that's where good supervisors hopefully step up and tell their guys like, hey, go home, don't worry about your timesheet. I wouldn't do that at my job. Wink. But um, don't worry about your timesheet, just go home. Like I don't, I don't need you. I know, I know the ups and downs of that um which, which goes for officer involved shootings and anything like that as well, but like holy hell, man, that was I think we both, like you, could hear us gasp.
Speaker 2:It was yeah, because I've been there and like immediately, like things.
Speaker 1:As soon as I saw it, my only got like cause everything is time now, like get going, do something, I don't care what it is. I posted a video the other day of a foreign cop another country it might've been like military police style and he was literally like sucking the baby's face. It's a technique I'd never seen before and he's pounding and he just started sucking out the baby's face the technique I'd never seen before and he's pounding and he just started sucking out the baby's face and it it fucking worked like immediately worked, and he saved the baby. And I was like, oh my God, like this needs to be shared. This is the good shit where you see cops. It needs to go out there. Never seen that.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like you know. I do have to say, though, like you never seen, that it's kind of like you know.
Speaker 1:I do have to say, though, like you know, that would suck if it dislodged and you're like now you're sucking like, yeah, yeah, you know, it's kind of like that.
Speaker 2:Uh, you know. So I have two kids. I have a 22 year old and then we have a nine year old, or he'll be nine this year. Yeah, and the separation now they had that. You know. The next one, you had the like snot thing that you suck the tube and I'm like I can't do it, just can't, can't do it. Yeah, I'll go back to the little you know bulb thing, you know. So sorry, no, you're good I had one of those visual moments there.
Speaker 1:It was like yeah, yeah, and there's talks. One of the guys were talking about that device that they have out there. That will just pull it out, so it sucks it out, basically. Um, the officer I'm referring to didn't have that. My man went manual mode, just crazy like.
Speaker 2:I wonder if milwaukee makes that tool cement cut.
Speaker 1:80 said those are expensive plungers. Yeah, that's really what they are. They're face plungers for choking people. That's awesome, um, but they fucking work. Man, definitely work. There's another thing that I've seen out there that I want. Um, it's a uh tourniquet that stays wrapped around your thigh both thighs, and that's just how you work. So if you do get take one to the leg, there's no getting in the tourniquet out, it's just there and you just start ratcheting that shit down yeah, pretty badass.
Speaker 1:I don't know what company makes it, but I've been wanting to look more into it. I seen a another officer that had one. Um, so pretty badass. Um, all right, let's see, I have one video left, so, and we're right at that three hour mark so, or just under it. So, yeah, let's fucking, it's three minutes. Let's uh. Oh, you know what did you already watch it we've already watched it. Yeah, that's, we've already watched that one. Uh, we watched it on the podcast. So, yeah, yeah, so we won't watch that one.
Speaker 2:We watched it on the podcast, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So we won't watch that one.
Speaker 1:What we will do is we will sit here and bullshit with you guys for the next three minutes and see what else people have to say. Yeah, check out Tim's TikTok. He's plugging it on there. He goes. My shameless TikTok plug, low contrast. Check him out on TikTok. James Monday is asking where are you guys from? I am from originally Flint, michigan. I no longer live there after joining the military, moved out, went to Montana. I'm now a cop in the North DFW area of Texas. I won't say specifically where because I keep the podcast stuff that I do here separate from my job, so I don't get fired. Not that they would fire me just outright. They actually like what I do. At least the chief told me that. So but yeah, where I'm at is one of the 12 largest departments in the nation and about one to 1.2 point million one to 1.2 million people in the city that I work. And Alan, where are you from? Buddy?
Speaker 2:From the Lubbock Texas area, so northwest Texas, and I work in a little town 30 miles southwest of Lubbock.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, brother. And if you're wondering, we have more people that are part of the Two Cops One Donut network thing that we got going on here. We've got Trey Mosley. He's a California cop. We have Banning Sweatland, who's actually lurking tonight. He was supposed to be on but he's sick, so he's just watching. He is a North Texas deputy. We have Matt Thornton, who's a Chicago area cop, and then we have Daniel Carr, who is a Albuquerque retired officer who has a law degree now and is about to start practicing law I guess he passed the bar, I'll put it, I'll leave it there so and he runs a thing called Police Law News. So check him out. You can find his social If you guys go to our new website.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pull it up again because I'm so excited about having my new website Now that it's finally done. My cousin did great work, anthony Newman. Check him out, he's a great guy. We are going to share our new podcast screen guy. We are going to share our new podcast screen. So if you go to our bio, so you click on our bio, you will see all of us. You'll actually see I'm wearing the same shirt Alan's wearing tonight and you'll get to learn a little bit about us, where we're from, what we're doing, and if you're like well, why isn't Alan on there? Well, alan originally is a behind-the-scenes guy but he's more and more coming to become a front man. He's like our Jamie on Joe Rogan he's our Jamie. So if you guys come check out our podcast page, this has been a year running. We've done a lot to get this professionally done by my cousin. That's what he does, and you'll find out more about us If there's anything to our website that you'd like us to add. One of the things we're working on is a Discord channel. That's one of the things that we're going to try to get going.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, tim Owen said yeah, really like Matt Thornton's TikToks. Yeah, he is, he's awesome. One of the things that brought us all together is our mission. Guys, we all kind of have the same goal we want to improve law enforcement, but we don't want it to be an echo chamber of cops just blowing each other Like that's not what we're about. We do screw up. We need to talk about where we screw up, how we fix it, and you know that that's what Matt excels at.
Speaker 1:Um, that's one of the things that I tried to do. Um, I, I have a we and we all have our own ways of doing it. Like, matt's got his style, he's got his experiences. I've got my style, my experiences, trey being a young guy, young California cop. Like he's going to have different ways he does things. And then you know Daniel, he's retired. You know he may get back into law enforcement who knows? He's young, he's like in his forties, but he's retired from law enforcement, so he's going to have his style banning. The same way, he's a deputy versus me. I was a city cop, so there's going to be differences.
Speaker 1:So highly recommend you guys go to the bio and when you go to the bio you will actually see all of those guys' social media stuff. If you click find banning here, find Matt here, you'll see all of their social media stuff. So you don't just have to come to our website Now. You can come to our website and then find each one of us and all the stuff that they put out, because, like Daniel, he puts out stuff all over the place. So I'm not trying to monopolize on what he does on his own time. I just want you guys to know where to find a good dude um. So that's what we got going on there. Uh, if tim is the official pain in the butt, I'm the official ash. I'm the official ass itched, mr billfold.
Speaker 2:Oh man, listen that's the best part. These guys are like they have a whole side conversation that you know. We're trying to keep up with it, but they go so fast.
Speaker 1:It's like yeah, yeah it is hard, especially because and this is why Alan's supposed to be a behind the scenes guy is because he's supposed to keep up for it, to it for us and then send us the stuff that we need to talk about. But everybody was off or sick tonight. So I was like, hey man, I don't want to go solo, so jump on here, stan. The man said you're not allowed to be sick. Banning, get well soon. I the night said I think banning just didn't want to deal with eric tonight. Fair, that is fair. But um, yeah, one of the things we really like and I was just about to point out is that you guys really do help police. I don't mean to say it that way, but you do help police each other.
Speaker 1:You know, one of the things we're trying to avoid here is just having trolls come in. Just a troll, like relax, like, if you want to go troll an echo chamber of cops, blowing cops and punishers with thin blue lines thrown like fair, go troll those guys. But we're honestly here giving a voice to both sides. Let us do that and help us. Help us do that. So everybody in our audience, I really thank you guys for helping that part out like making sure that we don't have people come in here and just wreck it, because I'm human too.
Speaker 1:It could just take one night where I'm just like, fuck this, I don't feel like dealing with this tonight and just shut it down and then I won't come back to it for a couple of days and that sucks for everybody. That's not fair. But at the same time it's like man, how many times can you have your efforts thrown back in your face? You can only deal with that so much. So when you guys do help, you know, keep it neutral and objective. Like it really helps me out, because it helps me reset, because sometimes I get overwhelmed. Alan, I'm sure you're the same way man.
Speaker 2:I just I'm like I don't even even feel it, I don't have the energy yeah, um when I think that's what motivates, honestly motivates you, is how well they participate and how well they get involved and, uh, it brings you fresh ideas, even through this show today. You know there was certain conversations that kind of reinvigorate your conversation to yeah, want to keep going yep, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Um, in that I it's something you guys don't see. It's behind the scenes, but we have a group chat with all these people that are involved with the thing, and every time you guys send a message to me. Man, I just found your channel, or man, I really liked what you guys said about this. What you're doing is worth it. I take a screenshot and I send it every time because I want to reaffirm to everybody that's helping. Do this. I always say, if we just help one person, it's worth it, and to continuously keep getting messages from people like makes it worth it, man. So I don't want you to think that your shit doesn't get shared. It really does. What is this? Oh, that's the thingy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's actually in the pants. It's built into the pants, yeah, it's pretty into the pants, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's pretty cool. I like it. What is David talking about? Google embossed logo and you will see a 3D stuff from the beginning of the podcast. Oh, I think he's talking about the hoodies, maybe.
Speaker 2:Maybe.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, from the beginning of this episode, yeah, Thank you, gentlemen, for taking the time to put the podcast together and answer our questions. It means a lot. Thank you, smet. No problem, that's why we're here. Mr Belfort said this that what this is about we don't tolerate the trolls playing gotcha, just have cops to listen can bridge the gap absolutely. Um, tim owens said you know, I really appreciate the podcast. I've only been here this is my second time but I got to learn something both times which is awesome and that is the goal. Like, end of the day, even if you don't agree with like, it doesn't have to be something we agree on, guys. It can just be like hey, this is just how it is and this is how we see it, and this is how it's going to be, and you're going to be like no, it shouldn't be that way because of this. And I look back and I'll say fair, disagree. We agree to disagree on this particular thing, but here's where we don't disagree.
Speaker 1:Like I think one of the things that people really love to hear out of a cop's mouth is that you shouldn't trust cops. And I'm not saying that to placate you and make you like, but I'm with you on that one and I tell them I tell my own family don't trust the cop, don't answer their fucking questions unless you're under arrest. Like, depends on the situation too. Like guys, don't get me wrong If we're just answering cordial shit like hey, you know, this guy just got shot over here. Did you guys see anything? Answer their questions, help them out, help solve somebody getting shot. But if somebody stops you and they're like hey, why are you going over there? What are you doing? Just be like am I detained? Am I under? Like I am I detained? Am I under? Like I'm not answering your questions, dude, like either you got a reason to stop me. You don't like if they're trying to dig in on you, fuck that. Know your rights, know your rights right. Constitutional country, girl news too much, it's too much. Ccgn. Uh, I'm looking through the comments here.
Speaker 1:Eye of the Night from Mr Billfold. I sense you are meant to stick around. If I could gift a membership directly to you, I would.
Speaker 2:Here's the best one. What do you got?
Speaker 1:I'm not leaving until Alan finishes his drink. Yeah, he's actually been drinking that one since three this afternoon. Guys, there we go.
Speaker 3:Why are you trying to make him go?
Speaker 1:man, I'm gonna go get another one we could have had kobe staying here all night. He doesn't know, I have more oh shit but I'll have to go get a straw. He said I'm not worried about memberships. With three kiddos, I don't need to spend money on that stuff. I'm more than happy to just converse and interact with the other view.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, brother. That's what we want.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, listen, if you guys have it, okay, cool. If you don't just like, share and subscribe, Share our stuff, that's it. It's free. That's all I ask. That's the beauty of this. If you've got it cool, If you've got it cool, if you don't, it doesn't cost you anything, but a little bit of time, ten seconds. Share our shit. Dustin Lamb, the Happy Gilmore Retro Rifle shirt. Yeah, buddy, let them know where you saw it Two cups, one donut. Yeah, tell Retro Rifle, them fuckers need to sponsor us because that's all I wear, God.
Speaker 2:I have an addiction uh, my wife's not happy about that tim said oh shit, I'm sorry, I hit the button.
Speaker 1:Sorry, buddy he said uh, when I told matt about you, I knew it was going to grow into something cool and, frankly, I'm proud to be a part of it in a way. You're absolutely a part of it, tim. You are the direct link between me and Matt. And then Matt and I had some phone calls and some more phone calls and the more we got going, I think I kind of amped Matt up. I think I pumped him up. I think he was like holy shit, he's like I've been wanting to do this, but I'm old Because, let's face it, matt's old guys and he's like I don't know how to do any of that shit. So I'm going to help Matt get to the level that his fans want him at. That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1:I want to get Matt his own podcast. I don't want him to be the Two Cops, one Donut podcast. I want it to be the Matt Thornton podcast, and you guys just find him from us and that's it Because Matt's, and that's it because matt's got a lot to say. He's got a lot of cool people and I think that will be way better than anything I can do. He's got a different view, so that's what I want to do? I want to have the matt thorpe podcast for sure, and dustin said he would text the owner of retro rifle.
Speaker 2:Text him, let him know, man let him know harrison brock, we will not be driving tonight I'm at home. Baby ain't going anywhere well, you do have to walk. What is it? 175 feet?
Speaker 1:yeah, I gotta walk 175 feet to my house from the podcast studio, so but it's cold, so it'll be a fast you know I'm gonna run. Hopefully I don't trip. I said, uh, I like some, some of the cop watcher channels like Long Island Auditor and Lackluster, even Audit the Audit. I do watch Audit the Audit and the Long Island guy, but I don't think I've heard of Lackluster.
Speaker 2:I'm going to star that one because there's. Matt and.
Speaker 1:Abby, but I didn't think there was enough cop channels that want to improve, and I agree with you. I don't think there is. The problem is we get shit for being anti-cop in some of the pro-police worlds. So it's not that I'm anti-cop, it's just I'm an accountability thing. I want to improve police work, so I'm going to show you a video of exactly what I'm talking about. Let me go back here. It's Ice-T's stop, so let me minus this one Because there's something to learn from both sides and it kind of irritated me. I got a lot of flack on this one because I was being anti-cop. All right, the traffic stop on on ice t seems to be making its rounds and I was asked my opinion oh sir what's up, officer?
Speaker 7:let you know you've been recorded. Okay, I'm headed to the dmv.
Speaker 4:That's where I'm going to get all my registration and everything you know, your registration expires since 2021 that's where I'm going. I'm trying to get this car set up to grow um. Yesterday I went to the dmv and they said that their system was down.
Speaker 5:So that's what I'm at you need to have an appointment to go to the DMV.
Speaker 7:I don't need one. Why is that? Because they know me.
Speaker 1:So I'm stopping because I want to point out things. Ice-t was cool up until this point when this guy said you need to have an appointment to go over to the DMV. Ice-t's not an idiot. He's been around the block for a long time. He can tell that that inflection Was a little bit of ego mixed in with you trying to say that he's lying. The dude is in the parking lot For the DMV. He's got all the documents with him and he said that he was there yesterday. And now he's trying to come back Because he's trying to get his shit straight. And the moment you were like, well, you to have an appointment to go to the dmv, iced tea's like I'm fucking iced tea, I don't need an appointment. Not to mention, I was there yesterday. That that's how I read. It doesn't mean I'm right, but that's how I read this.
Speaker 5:So let's keep going oh, because I know you it's your passport you're gonna drive that vehicle?
Speaker 3:who has?
Speaker 1:registered and get this right and he's trying to tell him. The officer he's like you can't be driving this. He's preaching to him Again. Are you telling Ice-T something he doesn't know? Are you telling any citizen something they don't know? You're giving information that they already fucking know, especially if he's there at the DMV. All you're doing is being condescending. That's what this language is to me. You're being condescending. You think he doesn't know that he needs to have his registration, he needs to have all these things to get that there. He knows that Either write the tickets or don't. But the preaching and the chastising and the condescendingness like that would make me get amped up too.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to take you to jail. Okay, can I park the car here and walk to the DMV? I'm going to tow your vehicle. You're not going to do it.
Speaker 1:And this is where the attitude comes in. This is where I think Ice-T gets mad. You're going to tow my vehicle One. He's in a private parking lot. There's no need to tow it, he's not on a public roadway. So I think and this is my personal this is Eric Levine. I think this officer got envious once. Ice-t, rolling around in his badass car, was like they know me there and he gave a. He was being cool, he was talking with Ice-T swag. That's what he's doing.
Speaker 1:Ice-t wrote the song Cop Killer I get it 32 fucking years ago when he was a kid. He's an entertainer. He's trying to be sensational at, you know, very young age. You can't do. We want to hold what you said 32 years ago against you. No, fucking totality of the circumstances. Guys, relax, it's Ice-T. He's a mainstream Hollywood actor now who's been playing a cop. That doesn't excuse it, and I'm not saying to give him special privileges. I fully said write him the tickets. He has that coming. He knows better. He's driving around on a suspended license and he's driving around in a car that's old, it's not up to date and I understand why. He's probably a rich dude with a bunch of cars, and this is one he hasn't driven in a long time. He's like you know what? I'm going to get this one up and going again. That's probably what happened. That it's just my guess. So, or it's a separate house and he, you know, right, yeah, right. So I completely get. But the dude is in the driveway of the dmv. He's close.
Speaker 1:That's something I didn't know about the video, and he's close enough he can see it and walk and he's got all of those documents with him and he said he was there yesterday and they needed to come back with that. So he is trying to do the right thing. He's trying to get his shit straight. You didn't pull him over on the freeway where everybody and their mom uses this excuse. No more way to the dmv right now. Bullshit. He's literally in the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that changed everything for me. When I didn't, I didn't know they were in that parking lot and so up until that point I was sitting there thinking like everybody. You know it's like how many times have I heard that?
Speaker 1:story, right, yeah, and and then like marine blood saying why did he drive the vehicle? He, I get your point, marine blood, he knows better. He shouldn't have been driving. I'm with you, I don't disagree. He should have at least had somebody licensed with him and drove the car, because some places do want to see the vehicle, some places don't correct so.
Speaker 1:But I think what really started to to happen was the the little bit of jealousy, envious behavior came out when he was like I don't need an appointment, I'm fucking I. He didn't say this, but that's the impression. He's like I'm iced tea, bro, they're gonna let me in, like all right, cool, it's a cool flex. Like I don't have that luxury, but I'm me, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a positive guy, like by nature, I'm optimistic dude. I'm like, oh, dude, that's cool, I wish I had that ability. Like good on you, cool, ice tea's gonna go in and he's gonna be like I'm finn man, like let me do my thing, cool, but uh, that that's not. This was the downfall. People got on me because they're like, well, he shouldn't have been driving and he knows better. Okay, fair enough, guys, it's traffic, it's a traffic offense. It's not the end of the world.
Speaker 2:All right, hold on, frank might be listening. Yeah, frank might be listening.
Speaker 1:But Ice did not get an attitude until you threatened to tow his car. Why would you tow it? What reason do you have? It's not blocking, it's in a private lot. There's no reason to tow it. And the supervisor did a great job. He came in and he said look, I can't tell my officer what to enforce and not to enforce, which he's right. You can't tell if it's against the law that an officer has the right to enforce it, but what he can do is dictate on things that are like policy and that is towing the vehicle. And I think he did a good job at diffusing by letting his officer, you know, convincing him not to tow, which is, I think, what that supervisor did. And what supported my argument that he was doing this based on ego was the very last statement this officer makes.
Speaker 3:I'm going to keep playing. So you guys see it, I'm going to respect you the same way. But then let me you see, I'm going. No, you're not going to tell me what to do. I'm going to tell you what to do, so give me a kiss right now.
Speaker 4:Ego right there not under arrest and I'm getting out of my.
Speaker 1:You're not going to tell me what to do, really. You, no, no, no, no, Really You're not going to tell me. He didn't tell you what he's not going to do. He's like you just don't need to tow his car. That would piss me off too.
Speaker 7:Give me my paperwork. You fucking no, don't touch me, Don't do anything like that. Give me my fucking paperwork. Get this on camera.
Speaker 1:This motherfucker is. You are an asshole. I'm not an asshole. You've been asking to me. You are an asshole. I'm trying to get to the dmv. I showed you all the paperwork. Let me start recording your dumb ass. Uh, you know.
Speaker 7:Again cool I'm okay with what I said and uh, so I'm out of here. I can't tell him as a sergeant what to do.
Speaker 5:I can guide him and I can make a recommendation. He's gonna give you four tickets. Okay, we're not gonna tow your vehicle while you're receiving summonses.
Speaker 3:Here's your keys, there's your paperwork driver's license Right there.
Speaker 1:Next time show some respect. That's all I got to say. And Ice-T says I don't have to, I don't have to and he doesn't. That is fucking arrogance, man. So to me this is letting emotion get the best of you on a stop which this could have, and it all goes into mindset. This could have been flipped and been a badass fucking stop. As soon as you get, you knew he knew who he was oh man, dude, if I pulled him over, I'm sorry, he's probably.
Speaker 1:I'm probably getting written up because he's signing my patch or something right, I would have been like let me turn this into a community policing oh sorry you know like hey man, first and foremost, you need to get somebody out here like I'm still gonna follow the legal part. Yeah, like dude, you can't be driving like I'm gonna let him know, like ice, you like you fucking tie in my hands here. Dude, you, gotta you got to get somebody out here. First off, let's get somebody out here. Second, like bro, can I get a picture?
Speaker 2:Dude, I have this uh, I have this uh, show that I do online.
Speaker 1:You want to join it, like? No, I never talk about my podcast while I'm at work. Never Come on, dude, it's never. Never do it. Nope, I don't mix both.
Speaker 2:You got to separate them.
Speaker 1:Yep so, but honestly, like you could turn that into iced tea. I'm like, hey, man, I'm going to let you go with a warning on this. But hey man, like is there something you can do with the department and like maybe a public message or anything like that? Like, let's turn this into like a positive thing, like how to take care of your stuff. It might've been an opportunity for the PIO and him to get together and, you know, give a shout out to the department and him owning up. Like he could have been him sending out a message hey, y'all, I screwed up, but thanks to this department, they let me learn from my mistake. Like you could have spun it into a positive thing and you turn that completely negative.
Speaker 2:And and what kind of following does he have? And now, everything about that department and agency, what you know, yeah, viewing and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, somebody said it earlier that he makes 250,000 per episode on law and order. Right, he has a following, and now you just like took and rubbed the dirt and, you know, rubbed some salt, like it's just not, it's not a good look, yeah yeah, tim said I'm gonna go up to iced tea and saying tracy lauren morrow, ice-t, insane, tracy, lauren Mauro, really Tracy Tracy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So listen, I get it. He had a bad history. He wrote the song Cop Killer. Okay, guess what, guys? When I work out, I'm still listening to NWA, I'm still listening to Ice-T, I'm still listening to a bunch of Rage Against the Machine. There's a bunch of dudes I grew up listening to that I still listen to, even though I'm a cop. Relax, relax.
Speaker 2:All right, we wouldn't be able to listen to anything. If you actually listen to the lyrics of most music, if you break down most of it, it's like come on now. All right, hell, we can't even watch Disney movies for the innuendo.
Speaker 1:Right, no, they draw hidden wieners on stuff. Wiener, you said wiener, dude, I know. Have you seen the cover? Well, I remember as a kid looking at the cover of Little Mermaid, I didn't realize there was something. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Fantasia.
Speaker 1:That was like hey, let's go get high. Come on Wieners on Little Mermaid.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure when this is going.
Speaker 1:Let me see images. Yeah, right here. Yep, okay, share screen. Oh, that's awesome. This is what I remember as a kid. Yep, you can see it right there, hidden messages. You, sons of bitches.
Speaker 2:Disney doesn't do that. Come on, I'm onto you. Disney Except for girls want to have fun? Yeah, girls just want to have fun. Yeah, girls just want to have fun, guys.
Speaker 1:Phallic towers. Freeman freeman knows. Uh, oh shit, eric's now on a list somewhere. Yeah, I am on a list. My bad, all right, guys, we're at three and a half. We're we're gonna cut it, but everybody, thank you for tuning in. Um, appreciate you guys. Uh, I'm sorry that I couldn't get the whole fucking team on here. Uh, banning just said I'm chris hansen, have a seat over here. Um, that's awkward. Yeah, so I couldn't have the whole crew up here today. But you know how it is. Y'all were stuck with me. Yep, I will be gone. I'm leaving the 11th. I won't be back until at least the 18th, so I'm going to be out of the country. Leave me the F alone. I will not be on any social media. I'm not putting out any content. I am enjoying my wife and what.
Speaker 2:Hey, last time you said this it worked. So I'm going to call out Banning Sweatland and we're going to be on without you next week.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm down. It's going to be up to Alan to get everything rolling behind the scenes and everybody else. You're going to have to deal without my stupid ass. So I'm curious If it works out better without me, I will step back. I will be the guy behind the scenes because I know how to run everything, because I've been doing it. Brock Eric is on the FBI list. My bad FBI is going to visit you all. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I probably got you all indoctrinated, my bad. So, steve Wallace, he said this was a good one. Thanks everyone. Have a good night, appreciate you, brother. Uh, freeman, appreciate you too. Uh, tim Owens, he's like thanks, you guys are awesome, very cool. Thank you guys. Uh, it does, does, does the heart well to know that y'all like what we're doing. Again, the best way to thank us is like share, subscribe, do that crap. I'm getting accused a lot lately of just wanting followers, so I'll try to dumb it down even more, but I usually wait till the end. Hey, follow us, guys. Like, that's just how we expand. I don't know how else to do it, my bad. Anyway, all right guys, appreciate y'all. Have a.
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