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2 Cops 1 Donut
Policing Today: Accountability and Missteps
Join us for a LIVE STREAMED EPISODE with Sgt. Erik Lavigne and Banning Sweatland, as we navigate the complexities of law enforcement alongside our special guests: Detective Matt Thornton, Josh "Deadleg," and our rookie Trey Mosley. Picture this: a vacation return from the Dominican Republic mingles with Banning's Vegas business escapades, setting the stage for lively banter and heartfelt gratitude to our listeners. As we explore the origins of our podcast, Trey's rookie status provides endless entertainment, while Josh brings fresh insights from his time as a former officer.
As the conversation unfolds, we wrestle with some of the most pressing issues in policing today. The stark reality of misconduct caught on body cam footage provokes an unfiltered discussion about accountability and public trust. We hold nothing back, analyzing the critical role of supervisors and dissecting the misconceptions surrounding police unions and qualified immunity. The episode probes deep into the responsibilities of law enforcement, the intricacies of race and communication, and the evolution of policing over the years.
Our episode wouldn't be complete without examining controversial stops, wrongful arrests, and the tactical challenges officers face. From strategic warrant execution to weapon handling tactics, every aspect of police work is scrutinized. We blend serious discussions with light-hearted stories, including karaoke mishaps and plans for engaging street interviews. With community spirit at the forefront, we remain committed to bridging gaps and providing meaningful content—all while sharing a few laughs along the way.
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Disclaimer provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language, viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops, one Donut and its host do not accept any liability for All right. Welcome back to Cops 1 Donner. We had a little technical snafu there, just paused on its own and I was like did we lose internet connection all of a sudden, hardwired into that fiber? But I am your host, eric Levine. Welcome everybody. I'm back from the Dominican. Real quick shout-out to Steve Wallace. I see he's on. He's never missed a live so I always have to give him a shout-out. Mr Bill Fultz said I'm boycotting the stream if Alan is kept back in the shadows. That's it with Alan. Alan is our moderator for everybody wondering, but we let him peek out every once in a while. We also have with us tonight the one, the only, detective, matt Thornton. We also have with us tonight the one, the only detective, matt.
Speaker 2:Thornton. What's up buddy, how you guys doing Good to be back had a busy, busy Christmas season. It was nuts.
Speaker 1:Hey man, everybody understands. We have my co-host with us, banning Sweatland out in Vegas. What's up? Banning what's?
Speaker 4:up brother Out here at SHOT Show just doing some business development, brother Hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Where are you staying at? This is old school man. I'm on the south, it's cheaper. It's the Polo Towers, hilton Polo. Towers no casino. Yeah, no casino in here. I used to live out here years ago behind the Rio man.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, sorry to interrupt, explains the gambling problem. All right, trey, jumped in, there we go. I'm almost ready.
Speaker 1:I got this camera you do that we'll get no worries, but first let um well, never mind you, you get your camera going. Trey has a new camera. Guys, we're trying to get his camera up and running. Um, it turned out he needed a special cable that he didn't have, so I think he ran to the store while we were trying to set up to go get it. We have our special guest with us today, josh Deadleg. What's up, buddy?
Speaker 8:Aloha.
Speaker 1:So, for those who don't know, josh was a former officer, medically retired, and he is a genuine know-it-all badass behind the scenes for other podcasts like Failure to Stop, failure to Stop, network and there's a few other podcasts associated with that Deadleg. Let them know there's Failure to Stop.
Speaker 8:There's oh man, you put me on the spot. We have Failure to Stop, fox Media, fox News. We have the news that goes on Wednesdays. We have a sports show that goes on Thursdays. We have our Monday show, our comedy show on Monday. I'm not sure if we're going to keep that going forward or not, because it's only been the first couple weeks of January, but we've got quite a few shows that are all between Failure Stop and Fox F-A-W-K-E-S.
Speaker 1:Somebody said Trey's on a flip phone. Hey man, leave Trey alone. He's trying to learn Trey. So for y'all that don't know, when we started putting this all together, me and Banning started networking, and I guess what you could call recruiting. We were trying to find people that were like-minded in the same mission. Oh Crispy, look at him now, glistening. Damn Dang. He went from a 2 to a 10.
Speaker 7:I got it. I'm always in a 10.
Speaker 1:Get your height going. Yeah, buddy, that's what I'm talking about. That look good. That boy look good. A little shout out to Coming to america. For anybody that knows the reference trait might be too young. Um trey is continuously with a point that I was getting to. Um, he's the one with the least amount of experience in policing for all of us on the panel, so we keep calling him our rookie and treating him like a rookie. I feel bad for him sometimes. I'm always giving him shit, but I think we give everybody equal shit, except for Matt. Matt never throws this at anybody.
Speaker 1:I don't get it, I'm afraid I think he just got that hand speed. He's like don't worry, keep throwing them. Levine, one day you're going to catch a two-piece. All you got to here is with the exception of dead leg, which he is still posthumously a part of what we've been doing and has helped us build, and maybe one day he'll agree to be a full-fledged member. But everybody that you see tonight Banning me, trey, matt, alan, behind the scenes as our moderator we are all a part of the Two Cops, one Donut stuff.
Speaker 1:Right now. I know what you're saying. That's more than two cops. We started with two, which was just me. That was how the name got going. So, if you're like, where the fuck did the name come from? I'm a military cop and I am a municipal cop, so there's your two cops. I was a big fan of the podcast Two Bears, one Cave with tom segura and burt kreischer, so I just played off of their name. Two cops, one donut. That's where it came from. Um. And here we are today, four years later, um, almost four years, in april, and we have grown. So now we've got matt, uh, we got banning. We've got a lot of people, daniel, who's not here, um, I don't know. He's got like uh, oh, my god, what was that? He's got like play-doh for internet connection. So, um, we can never get daniel on here consistently. We're waiting for him to get his stuff. Um, patrick, I'm going to the chat. Um patrick, true love said glad to see matt back. Hey, we all are, my guy, thank you glad to be back.
Speaker 1:Mr bill foltz said let's give alan some flowers for doing a great job last week with banning and vaughn. Absolutely, by the way, um, I was. I was able to to log in. You guys know me. I'm got my freaking heart invested into the show so I couldn't stay away. I I just got to check and see how they're doing and the last 10, 15 minutes that I was able to catch was amazing.
Speaker 4:Man, I picture you watching that with a frigging helmet, down there with some umbrellas, getting relaxing for once, oh man. A little bit of humor man, but I'm glad you got to watch a couple minutes of it.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was a great time, for sure, trey. I glad you got to watch a couple minutes. Oh, it was a great time, uh, for sure. Um, trey, I muted your mic for right now. Bud, you got some feedback coming through while you're getting your camera stuff worked out, so, um, but, yeah, uh, that's that's kind of the premise. Now we have all sorts of things happening, so I want those in the chat. Everybody. That's a part of what we've been doing. And the new people um, oh, constitutional country girl. The Country Girl said, matt, that everybody wants us to interview Sean Paul, so apparently you've got a connection to him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know Sean.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So if we could do, we'll even do a joint pod. We'll interview him, do an actual podcast and then maybe we can get him on one of the lives.
Speaker 2:I'll call him this week.
Speaker 1:Okay, sounds good. All right, we got trey back. Uh, let me unmute your mic, sir. And then, um yeah, you got a little bit of feedback, mosley oh for real yeah, if you could turn your gain down a little bit.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure how you're connected in, but um, and he gone. Oh, he might have his camera mic on, I bet that's what it is. So anyway, um, yeah, people are wanting to get him on here, uh, but to the point of all the stuff that we got going down the pipe um, coming down the pipe, irons in the fire, if you will, we're trying to get Matt his own podcast. So we want to get Matt a podcast set up so he can run his own stuff and get the guests that he wants to talk and do the topics that he wants to talk about. Again, if you go to our website, matt's got his own bio page and we're going to get everybody their own stuff on the website so they can start putting their crap out there. It won't be crap if Matt does it, but you know what I mean Sometimes.
Speaker 2:I got lined up, though, brother. I got a lot of people that want to. I'm excited.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah. So we're going to get that going. We've got Trey. Trey's going to be doing street interviews, so we're going to have him going out. Hey man, you know he's going to be talking to people about controversial police topics. They're just going to be quick, three-minute, five-minute. You know everything's going to be under. It's going to be very short, so maybe 10 minutes or less, but he's going to be out there actually doing live interviews and then we're going to post those and we're going to talk about the stuff that you guys have been asking about and want to talk about. So we've got that coming down the line. We're working on some good sponsors that's going to give us money to help do the stuff that we're trying to do. We're not there yet, but it's coming down the pipe. Let me see, we've got some good regular old interviews coming on. We've got some other really good live guests that we're trying to get going. We're trying to get our Instagram going on our live. It's 140,000 other people that aren't a part of what we got going right now. We'll do a shout-out to our sponsors. Get that out of the way while we let the website load up there.
Speaker 1:First and foremost, shout-out to Peregrine. This is mostly for cops these first two, peregrine and Insight. So Peregrine is for our cops out there that are looking to up their game in their investigative work. I can't tell you everything. It's really in depth. So just trust me when I tell you that I believe Peregrine to be the future of law enforcement. This is me talking. This isn't them telling me anything. This is actually why they started liking me, because I see the vision of these guys. They are going to change the game. Like DNA, like what else do we got that's really big LPRs and DNA testing, fingerprinting, ai, fingerprinting, all that stuff. That's how they're going to change the game. They're going to turn your shittiest detectives into Sherlock Holmes. That's a quote from me. So check those guys out. Insight LPR If you click on them guys as well, you'll be able to get anything license plate reader-wise from them. Got great nighttime reads.
Speaker 1:And then, officially, ghost Patch is where, if you want any Two Cops, one Donut merch. So we've got our coin. And then we've got our PVC patch, which is like a rubberized Velcro patch, and then we have our metal badge, which, if you guys can hear that, that is an actual, real badge. It's the one you see me in all my reels. So now that we're done with the formalities of that, let's get to the comments.
Speaker 1:Everybody's in here chatting away. Somebody asked what I'm drinking. I am partaking in some Smoke Wagon the Younger. So anybody that's been listening to our lives knows that Smoke W wagon's my fave. Uh, make sure you guys check that. Uh, ghost patch needs to be fat. I forgot about them, hoodies.
Speaker 1:Um, let me see. What else am I missing? Um, oh, the whole premise of the live stream. This is what we do, guys. So if you're not used to the format and I'm talking a lot and nobody else has been talking it's because I missed the last show, so I got a lot of word vomit to get out.
Speaker 1:The other thing to know about the show is we'll pick a topic or two. Luckily, everybody that's on tonight has sent me some stuff that they wanted to talk about, so we're going to hit all of those and then the main part of the show the body cam reviews. What we do is we'll watch body cam footage that we've never seen and then we will pretend like we're the officers in the call. So, rather than sit back Monday morning quarterback on something we've already seen, we're going to walk you through a call, as though we're in that call and talk about, and you'll get a chance to see how training is and how it slightly varies from region to region. Matt's up in the Chicago area, banning's been in Oklahoma and the North Texas area. He's been a city and urban, uh, rural, cop. Um me, I've been a cop in Michigan, I've been a military cop up in Montana and down here in Texas, uh, and I'm a municipal cop down here in Texas. Deadleg, where were you copping at Kansas?
Speaker 8:Hawaii. And then I was security with Ohio State, the recent national champions. I just wanted to point that out there. The Ohio State University. These guys. I'm from.
Speaker 1:Michigan and Deadleg is trying to poke the bear. It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 8:Better luck next year is what they say.
Speaker 1:Just remember, I'm still capable of writing warrants. And I'm not above the security system. You've seen my security system. You ever heard of swatting my security system? I just. You've seen my security system. You never heard of swatting.
Speaker 2:My security system. You guys hear the haterade.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm a Wolverines fan through and through, so anyway.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's what we do with the body cam video, but the fun part is for you guys to interact and to engage and talk about all of that stuff. So we've got a lot of people in the chat. We're going to keep showing your stuff. Hopefully, if Alan's doing his job back there, he's highlighting all the good comments. Hopefully he's favoring everybody on the YouTube channel that is a member. We've finally opened up our memberships. So my mom is not a fan of Ohio State, by the way, so she's also a Wolverines fan. Say something about my mom.
Speaker 8:Say something about my mom. I talked to my mom at OHIO last night, so I feel very, very good. She is one that much closer than the US.
Speaker 1:Ah shit, who's your team? Matt, who's your team?
Speaker 2:I was raised. My daddy is from Las Vegas, so I was raised on UNLV sports and we don't have much of a football program or basketball anymore. Yeah, we had a basketball dynasty back in the day, so I was always stuck without a college football team.
Speaker 2:Dang yeah of basketball dynasty back in the day so I was always stuck without a college football team. Dang yeah, it's kind of depressing. I really can't say I'm loyal to any team, I just kind of watch. But and then we met chicago. Sports is all hell, yeah, go blackhawks we talked about that.
Speaker 1:I'm a I'm a red wings fan, but I like the black. I like any of the original six teams. Man, yeah, they're even bad this year too. Yeah, yeah, tell me about it. Greg elias, let's say, go blue love it. Shout out to greg. He's one of my uh admins on my facebook page, so, but let's, uh, let's get into it. Um, so, one of the first thing banning, we're gonna bring up the one that you did. Um, we're gonna get into a video viewer. Discretion advised. We've already done that. We have watched this one. We actually talked about it in our group chat. It's a bad one. So it's the nope You're going to do the this video really, really upset me. It's the first time I've seen it.
Speaker 4:Yes that's it.
Speaker 1:So we'll share this. I apologize, it's off of Instagram because we're trying not to get copyright stuff. Um, oh, actually, no, that's not the right one. Let me click for you, bud this one. Share this tab instead. So, um, now, this is an. This is an older video. So many of you may have seen it. But, um, so many of you may have seen it, but we're going to play it all the way through. Then we're going to discuss it, so go ahead and play. I apologize for the small. So, basically, this guy's in the hospital for suicidal watch. These two officers in there slap this dude by his handcuff. I believe they're recording on his own phone, so we don't have any sound. I don't think. Actually, yeah, we do. I'm f***ing.
Speaker 6:You see my cheek. Go at it. You got the right guy.
Speaker 13:Hey.
Speaker 10:I'm a what Do it?
Speaker 1:There. Now you got the sound. You got it. Sorry, bud, me and Alan are fighting over the mouse. Go ahead, alan, my bad. Okay, can you smally size that for me and so Banning? This was your video that you wanted to share and talk about.
Speaker 4:I'll let you lead off, buddy, I got it sent to me and I think it kind of reemerged on some of the reels. And of course people don't know the dates. I didn't know the date I mean hell when it was sent to me. But there's a lot of videos that upset me. But this one made me want to really look into it, find the department. Invite these two cops out to eat if they're still cops and have a. Come to Jesus meeting with them.
Speaker 1:It just I'm telling you right now that's a scary, scary thought of Manning wanting to have a come to Jesus meeting. He's 300 pounds of Tulsa toughness. So I just made that up. It's not Tulsa at all, but it sounded strong and I'm not laughing to make light of it. It pisses me off. It made me nauseous the first time. I seen it. Honestly, in my stomach I got sick, because I think the instinct for us everybody that's on this panel when we became cops it was to help. And then I felt helpless seeing that dude cuffed, unable to defend himself. And let's talk about why he's there. He's there for suicide watch. He was having a mental crisis. Um, alan, I think. Uh, trey said he's good, by the way, if you want to pop him back up there, um, so yeah, matt, what's your thoughts brother?
Speaker 2:nothing short of treason. Uh, prison, I mean, that's as disgusting as it gets. Like I have. I have, no, no real sympathy for what happens to them. I I don't know what happened to them, but if it was, it was on me they would be locked up until they're grown and old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm with you. There's no discussion of does that deserve jail? Does that meet the criteria? That was straight up. I mean, it wasn't just assault.
Speaker 2:It wasn't just assault. I'd love to see how many video views that got and just makes like it just fuels the fire of people. They're justifying, uh, their hatred of police. It's right, that's just so much damage.
Speaker 1:That's the fight. We have what. It doesn't matter how many good small deposits we have, all the little good acts that we have, that we do all the time. Something like that knocks every good cop that's on this panel back years. It's an uphill battle. And then what happens? We get these videos sent to us and they're like well, you guys keep trying to stick up for cops and da-da-da, and you got these guys out there and you're like, fuck, how do I argue that?
Speaker 2:How many times have you heard this is what y'all do this? How many times you heard this? What?
Speaker 7:y'all do this. What y'all do? I hear that, yeah, yeah, I hear that one all the time. Yeah, right, what do you say when stuff like that comes out? You can't say you just tell people like dog, that is one example of many cops or nothing like that, but I get shit like that all the time like a lot of homies. They'll send me stuff oh see, this is what y'all on. Oh, y'all don't even say nothing. I'm like bro, we can make videos like this, but other than that, I can't fly over there, demand that they fire these people.
Speaker 1:I don't have that kind of power to do that Right. So how do we combat it? And I'm not trying to defend it, that's not what I mean. I don't mean how do we combat it by defending it. But let me go to the chat real quick. Brandon Sterling Sr said don't think Big Red meant come to Jesus moment, quite exactly the way you think he meant. Yeah, I don't believe he did either. But how do we fight it? Well, one, we own it. Yeah, like I'm with you. Like, where I think cops really stick their foot in their mouths is when they try to justify stuff or they try to like play it down. Well, okay, yeah, like I like there, you know they could have just been coming from a dead baby call I'm like, and yeah, excuse for that shit still prison, that's what we signed up for.
Speaker 7:There's no excuse for that shit. Still prison.
Speaker 2:That's what we signed up for. There's no excuse, I get tired of hearing that you don't know what they go through. Yeah, we do know what they go through. We signed up for this.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's where supervisors come in. Guys like me. This is where I hold other supervisors to the fire. If your guys just came off a shit call, that would fuck with anybody's head. Pull them, go, make them ride a desk. If you don't want to send them home and lose money for the night, which I get, put them on a desk. They can be useful somewhere other than the streets. They don't need to be out there. That's on the supervisors.
Speaker 1:So when Tim said they need to be put under the jail, I agree. So, supervisors, do your fucking job. Pay attention to your people. Don't show up just because they called you and they need you now, now that shit's already hit the fan, be present. I'm not saying micromanage your guys, but be a part of their fucking lives. That's your job. Give them tools they need to succeed, be there when they need help and teach them when they need to be taught. I keep my guys out of a lot of trouble because I prevent the trouble from happening. I see them do something. I'm like hey, hey, hey, hold on, think about it. And I challenge them. I make them think Is that legal? Do you have an offense? Can we ask for his ID? They're like, oh no, okay, so go ahead Banning.
Speaker 4:I mean just legislation is there. It doesn't matter how many stripes you have or if you've been on the job for one day. If you walk in and you see something like this going on and you fail to act as a peace officer to stop it, my whole deal is and I think Eric, and I think everybody on this entire panel would agree you walk in on something like that unannounced, your sergeant come and check on your guys, or just another officer maybe come and relieve, and you see that I'm hooking them on the spot. Oh, you're getting lifted, dude. Just, I mean they're, they're, they're probably gonna have to be seen by the staff before they leave. Yeah, but I'm hooking them on the spot, man.
Speaker 1:I mean there's, there's no excuse, I don't care even if he's, even if he spit on you from there, even if he spit on you from there, you don't get to hit him. Now, if you see the and he's about to let loose. Okay, I'm, okay, I'm going to grab your face.
Speaker 7:I just had that happen to me, just like this.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly, I'm going gonna grab your cheeks on your face. Relax, matt, I see you getting ready to hit me. What you got to say, matt? You look like you're about to let loose I just the.
Speaker 2:The another thing that people get so tired of is like, like we should go look the banning route when you see this stuff happen and then there's a month-long investigation and they're on death row. No, they need to go to jail right then, and then you'd be in bond court the next day after something like that is discovered. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 7:When it's that egregious like that. Yeah, yeah, for sure. There's no gray area, nothing at all.
Speaker 2:No, that's why I can't stand these long investigations like why is it an investigation?
Speaker 1:some video, yeah, and that's a lot of right there, like the, the, the video that we did of the inmate that was killed, um, that we saw and talked about and it was horrible. And, uh, auditors have shown up to the prison and they're like, hey, we know a, a guy that murdered somebody that was in handcuffs. Can you guys go arrest him? And it's like, well, no, because the investigation is going on. It's like people are tired of that. It's hard to argue, like I get where they're coming from. I'm like, no, I literally have it on video. Like they fucking assaulted and killed this dude.
Speaker 2:That was darn near a cartel video.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, listen, and this is for everybody out there, even cops once the cuffs are on, they're your responsibility Anything that happens to them. It's just like when you let a round loose on your gun you are responsible for the rounds that come out of your firearm. You are responsible for the person that's in cuffs. You should be protecting them at all costs. They cannot defend themselves, except for the really skinny, lanky women. For some reason, they can be cuffed behind their back and they can use their hands like regular people.
Speaker 1:I don't know why I hit that ninja, they're like back there putting their makeup on. I'm like where's your cuffs? They're like they're still on. They're like back there putting their makeup on. I'm like where's your cuffs? They're like they're still on. I'm like what the fuck? Yeah, that's annoying. I know right, they're like your cuffs are supposed to be on behind you and they're like okay.
Speaker 5:And they just put them back behind me, put their legs back behind you. Yeah, like what the hell.
Speaker 1:Put your hands back there, because that's what anyway? Um yeah, so in this, um, how do we improve and where do we think we went wrong?
Speaker 8:dead leg. What do you got? Well, normally, like we get, I get sent a bunch of stuff all the time and the cop work is ugly. That's ugly, that's hard to look at. You know what else is hard to look at a dead baby. You know. This is how to look at a house that you've been to for the fifth or sixth time. For the same, you know person getting beat up. So cop work is ugly. So we know we get sent. I get sent videos all the time. Every time I'm like okay, you're looking for a react, you know, are you asking for information on the case? Are you looking for a reaction for me? Because that's that's two different things. But if you're asking for information on the case, I always go. There's usually context before and there's a lot more context after. That's going to help explain what's going on. You can't explain that.
Speaker 8:There's no, I don't know how you can pen a report to get from point A to point B, to where you're slapping someone on the defenseless, on the cot I I just so. It makes it even harder. Like you said, this is going to see the rounds and it's going to be shared around over and over and over and over. It doesn't matter that we know the disposition of this, because we figure this out because this happened in 2018, like we, we know all this right, but that doesn't matter, because this is the the age of social media and it can get brand new again, cause the first thing, when I'd seen it, it was so bad. I thought it was an AI generated dummy that was reacting to somebody being hit. I thought it was one of those like well, this is a funny video I'm going to because it's it, because it's that bad.
Speaker 8:Who's going to film themselves hitting a suspect? Yeah, I mean, you're just committing assault on camera. There's no defending it. You can't get from point A to point B and then, for anybody that thinks this is acceptable, check your badge at the desk. This isn't what you signed up for. If you thought this is what you signed up for, that that may be in the job in the 60s. They may have been job in the 20s, it's not the job in the in the 2020s. Right, you're not going to get away. Everybody's got a camera these days. Yeah, like I said, that one was from 2018. That was about six years ago. That's almost a decade ago.
Speaker 1:So I it's, it's horrible. I knew this wise, um fairly old cop that had said, like, when you're in the uniform, that you should just expect that you're always on camera. Um, I can't remember what video I saw that on um, might have been a matt thornton video, but we heard you and you said why, and it threw me off. He said does Banning smile? Yeah, he smiles, Are you kidding? Me. It's hard to see behind all that ginger face rage.
Speaker 4:Just that video man. It's sent to me so many times. I watched it too many times and got really upset. And I actually work with Fred. Fred works with me.
Speaker 1:He's an outstanding guy, former law enforcement from California as well, gotcha, we won't hold that part against him for being from Cali.
Speaker 7:Ain't no role at that.
Speaker 1:Look at Trey, get him going. So if you guys want to know the outcome of that, you thought you were mad. Now you're going to get pissed off even more when you find out the outcome. So, according to Police 1, the article, the follow-up is that this guy had another, he had a $4 million lawsuit against the department and he committed suicide in between that, before he got his settlement. I do believe that the officers let me go to the article here. I'm reading it. I'm not sharing it right yet, but I believe that he was jeez. Oh Pete, this is a shitty article. Where's the rest of it? Oh no, I'm looking at the wrong page. Sorry, patterson Cops, that's where it happened. What's that?
Speaker 7:Patterson Jersey.
Speaker 1:Yep. The officers' names were Reuben McAusland and Roger Thin. They were sent to federal prison, so they did go to jail. They pleaded guilty. Now the problem was was this man continued to have mental anguish that was exacerbated by his incident with the police. He was already there for a mental crisis and then, ultimately, he ended up taking his life before he even got paid out. So to sit back and think that people's mental anguish sometimes is faked or not as serious as what you thought it was, my man was going to get $4 million plus and still offed himself, and part of that issue was because of what these officers did. If that's not a black eye for law enforcement, I don't know what is. And it's hard for me and us here up on the panel to even sit back and like fuck man, here we are, we're trying to do a good thing, trying to do good things, trying to show good things, and I can't even sit back and pretend Like fuck, I don't know how to recover from that. And it's not even our departments, it's not even us.
Speaker 7:Man, yeah, that's crazy, it's some shitty cops.
Speaker 2:How do we get to the root of why that would ever happen? I would think there's a lot of solutions and a lot of things that we dive into, and it's multifaceted.
Speaker 1:Right, I think one that is a cultural systemic issue. Within that department. There's no cops that just go around Like maybe a one-off, maybe one dude that's fucking reckless and does some stupid shit. But they were together and my boy thought it was a good idea to record it while they did it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are kids that have been like bad kids from a house that's never had repercussions. I mean, that was Right.
Speaker 1:That speaks volumes. I think it also goes to some fantasy police world where they're like I'm going to give them some old school, like some bullshit. You would see I'm literally on a movie Like the whole take your badge off, take your badge and gun off and let's go. I'm like what the fuck world do you live in? Actually, there's a video out there we probably talked about it before where the dude literally does take his gun belt.
Speaker 2:I guess it was the champagne, I think. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1:It was fun to watch. I give him credit. I give him credit, like I'm like, bro, like.
Speaker 2:I respect like what was that movie? End of watch. End of watch, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like. I'm like, like that doesn't happen in real life, nor should it, nor should it. So California Citizen Watch said go after unions and insurance carriers. Go after unions and insurance carriers. That's the problem. The unions are so different everywhere. Like my union has no real power. They have a little bit of negotiation power when it comes to contract.
Speaker 7:That's mainly what they're there for. Yeah, they don't do shit.
Speaker 1:It ain't like NYPD's union, Matt is yours like that.
Speaker 2:No, mine is like yours.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's a gross mischaracterization. We can kind of discuss that real quick. The unions aren't what y'all think they are. The only ones that are are like the powerhouse departments, like New York, and I don't even know that LA has a strong one.
Speaker 7:No, hell. No, Not them either Right.
Speaker 4:So the state of Texas, if you look at legislation, we're not allowed to have unions, we're allowed to have associations, and that's why it's a different structure. So the state of New York is allowed to have unions. North Carolina is allowed to have unions up in the Northeast, primarily where law enforcement kind of started. The legislation still allows it. But in the other states, the newer states, you're allowed to have associations. And if you look at the different bylaws, they do different things, some of them similar, some of them not.
Speaker 4:But we are definitely not a union state in the state of Texas. It's just an association, just to put it a little lighter Right.
Speaker 7:We got associations too Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we'll call them unions. I mean, it's the same thing, different name but no, it doesn't have any real power. So I really think if you're going to be up against these unions, you need to figure out do they actually hold any power? Cause most of the time they don't. They don't, they can't do anything. All they can do really is sit next to you while you're being interviewed with IA or whatever it is and be like I wouldn't say anything if I were you. That's about all they could do. You don't have to answer that question, that's really it, and your lawyer is going to be there anyway.
Speaker 1:So I don't think the I think that's a common misconception that these unions have these powerhouse things. They don't. There's just a few that do. Nypd is one of those. So but anyway, as far as that, I want to go to the comment section. Does anybody have anything that we didn't really get to? Michael Riley said Unfortunately, when you combine high levels of power with reduction in responsibility and protection from consequences, this is what you get eventually. So glad to hear these guys went to prison. I think everybody on this panel is glad to hear they fucking went to prison.
Speaker 7:The reduction in consequences, though that shit's starting to turn around a little bit, especially now, dude 2020 and up. People are getting in trouble for all kinds of shit, Even stuff that I think police officers sometimes shouldn't get in trouble for they do. I feel like these departments are trying to stretch themselves out to prove to the public that police have been held accountable. It's just that at some point it comes to equilibrium, where we're not getting in trouble for shit that we shouldn't get in trouble for, but, as of right now, we just got to deal with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I think you're right. I think you'll see a lot of times that they're just like let the grand jury decide if this is a crime. We're not, we're not going to do it and I'm like damn, like, oh, matt oh, I thought you had something to say, man, he's not to tell my daughter let the dog out.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go. Um, so, but yeah, um. I'm looking at the comments here. Uh, it looks like we've got. Uh, perry lemley said new jersey is a crazy union state. Um, I see perry Perry on our LinkedIn account all the time. Fyi, by the way, guys, we have a LinkedIn account. If you're a LinkedIn person, find our Two Cops One Donut LinkedIn. Make sure you follow that. A lot of people follow my LinkedIn account. I appreciate it, but everything we post is going to be on that account. I'm trying to get you all away from my personal account because if I ever do get fired, start trying to get employed somewhere else, like I. I love y'all but.
Speaker 1:I want that to be my professional account your union ain't gonna save you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you ain't gonna save me if I get, if I get booted out of there. So, uh, matt everybody in the last like five episodes and I've been telling them I'm trying to get this fucking awesome qualified immunity episode going. I do want to do a qualified immunity live stream. We're going to do it. You're going to see them in the comments, especially your guys, so just let your people know. We're going to get it, I promise, but I want to have a qualified immunity expert and a qualified immunity anti-qualified immunity expert, so I'm not qualified to talk about it.
Speaker 2:I only know it roughly. I know the basics of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I say tear it down. We got to do something different.
Speaker 1:That's my opinion and I'm for it. I like it because they created it for a reason and I thought it was good reasons. We're not getting into this, Matt, but anyway the reason I liked it was because I think that in a job that you can't do it perfect and expect perfection, I think that's where the qualified immunity comes in, to try to get us away from that Um you know that expectation.
Speaker 1:Yes, it will be. It's going to be fun and I just I asked people to have some patience. I asked my, our, our um, our followers that help moderate other people chiming in and trying to troll, like Tim and Mr Bill full and some of these other guys like please quell people for us. We're going to get it, I promise I'm going to get it.
Speaker 2:Timmy will go to war for us. Yeah you will.
Speaker 1:I love that we're going to get him on here. Uh, he's got his stuff set up. We got Tim. I would have got you in on this one, but, bro, we're full house tonight. I mean, we kicked Alan to the back just to moderate. We told him he could poke his head in every once in a while, but he's back there sporting his retro rifle. By the way, I am wearing my Harambe retro rifle shirt. Shout out to Retro Rifle, who's not a sponsor yet Fucking Retro Rifle. There he is.
Speaker 11:Banning. You better be taking care of that at SHOT Show, buddy. Yeah.
Speaker 4:I worked at a smart, didn't even realize they were here until today, you have one job, one job.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's go to the next. What was it? Let me see here we did the. Okay, this was the. Oh, we don't have Daniel with us tonight, so we're not going to look at his one.
Speaker 8:That would be a good one for having him on, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Daniel from Police Law News. For those that don't know, he is a part of our panel. He's the only one missing tonight. He's got crappy internet but uh, he's a law enforcement. I'm sorry, a law enforcement. He was a law enforcement officer, but he is also a past the bar. He's a non-practicing attorney, I guess you would call it.
Speaker 7:He ain't known a lot of shit. I figured he was something like that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, um, whose was this one? I don't remember, but I'm gonna share this one share screen. I think this is the one I'm looking at. All right, we're gonna watch this video here.
Speaker 7:I don't remember what is this the one you sent? Yeah, that's what they do, that they're doing like't remember. Is this the one you sent? Yeah, it's where they do the like a house. Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 1:Alright, so this one is Trey's, so we're going to watch it, and then I'll let Trey lead the way with this one.
Speaker 15:Derek House was heading home to his wife and kids after a trip to Costco when he found himself at the center of chaos.
Speaker 10:Real slow.
Speaker 6:Everything real slow. I'm going to shoot you in your head. If you come up with anything other than that, I don't have any weapons. I just came from Costco dude.
Speaker 15:House who lives in Downers Grove, is a longtime resident of the western suburbs.
Speaker 3:That's not the right car. This is the wrong car. Yeah, this is the wrong car. We're all good. This is the wrong car. Close that. Yes, it is. It's the end. It's the plate. Don't match. The last four or five are wrong. It's the wrong plate.
Speaker 15:Officers were looking for a black Tiguan, not a gray Atlas, like houses with two occupants, not one.
Speaker 3:We thought you were the guy no, all right, you're not. I understand that. All right, hey, listen, look at me, I f***ed this up Plus the plates simply didn't match.
Speaker 9:In the totality of what they knew. They ignored almost all of that information. Saw a black man driving a Volkswagen SUV and that was apparently enough.
Speaker 15:House was released, but his attorney, Patrick Provenzali, says this should never have happened.
Speaker 9:You can imagine what Derek was thinking in those moments. If I make the wrong move, what's going to happen to me?
Speaker 15:Now House is suing the Woodridge Police Department and those five responding officers, arguing false arrest, excessive force, false imprisonment and more. Arguing false arrest, excessive force, false imprisonment and more.
Speaker 1:All right, stop sharing. I apologize for the little video. We could not find a full-size one for you all. That's what we had. But, trey, go ahead and lead the way.
Speaker 7:From an objective lens. I mean, yeah, the cops are wrong, but in a job where there's human error like everybody I'm sure has made that mistake I know I have. Like where you point a gun at a suspect and end up being the wrong suspect based on whatever description you were given and, um, I don't see the. I mean, yeah, it's wrong, but I think the cop did as best as he can to tell the dude like yo, we're wrong, we messed up, and I feel like he was trying to make it right. I mean, you can't necessarily make it right, but he tried to be as communicative as possible with him.
Speaker 7:But then the comments and even a lawyer, like, oh, it's a black man, but that's gonna do a race, bro, like I'm very confident that had him do a race. But just seeing what the comments have to say and how, like people talking about see it doesn't change. It's been the same way. They just found another black dude and if you're black you always got to worry about this and it's like nah, bro, that's not the case at all. And I even got into a brief back and forth with a girl on there in one of the comments. But the main thing, I'll read one of the things she said. She said that let really want to think. She said.
Speaker 15:She said that let me go to the comment that I said. Here it is.
Speaker 8:Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do do do, do, do, do, do, do, do do fucking rookies I think the question will come down to, like the vehicle description that the the officers that made the stop. What was the description they had versus what was it was put out? Because we all understand to what was told to dispatch and what dispatch was relayed to, from the call taker to the actual dispatcher, to dispatches as a call to get to you. You weren't like three or four people deep in this telephone game, you know. Yeah, if the information was wrong, we're going to find out through the investigation where the breakdown was and if it wasn't a breakdown of information that you just had the wrong like.
Speaker 8:This is where that I'm not a qualified media expert, but this is where I believe this is kind of an example of that, because if you were given information that you believed to be true at the time and acted on that but it wasn't that, you believe to be true at the time and acted on that but it wasn't, but you believe that that time that you have to be able to.
Speaker 8:This is a job that you have to be able to make life and death decisions like and understand that people need to do this job. Someone has to do this job. Someone's going to call 911 because they need help, because someone's trying to hurt them or someone else they love, someone has to answer that call. There has to be people to do that job. It's a thankless job. It's something that it's a horrible job at times, but it's a greatest job in the world at times. But people need to do that job and to be able to do that you have to have a qualified immunity, and I think this is kind of an example. But through an investigation, this will turn out that they either qualify for the immunity or they don't qualify for the immunity, because part of this whole thing is the first word Did you have to qualify for it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, trey, go ahead with what you found.
Speaker 7:OK, so yeah, the girl commented said the fact that the black officer threatened to shoot him in the head in the head means that all police officers are part of a system, no matter what race they are. None of them are friends. So it's like she was mad about what the officer say. He had his gun pointed at him. Uh, I think that shit was a little over the top, the exact language that he used. I'm gonna shoot you in the head, but I don't see, I don't have a problem with you cussing while you got your gun in somebody. That's me. That's letting people know like yo. This is real, this is serious and if you don't listen to everything I'm telling you to do, it could end bad for you, but the threat of like shooting them in the head.
Speaker 7:I don't know, in California especially, that's like a huge no-no, because we're super conservative in Cali.
Speaker 1:But I know that that was one of the things I should talk about. Okay, so I'll give you my piece on it. One there's two factors here. One the information we get more often than not isn't accurate. It'll be, you know, it's a blue Mercedes and it turns out it's an Aqua Acura, like we'll get that all the time. Is that fair to everybody on the panel? You get information that isn't right. Happens all the time.
Speaker 2:Everything looks like a Nissan Altima.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, everything's an Altima. That's the latest one, so this was from what I remember. They said it was a tigua, is that the name? Yeah? Yeah is that a volkswagen? I think it is still a volkswagen, though okay, and then the car that was pulled over was an atlas volkswagen.
Speaker 7:So both suvs without, without knowing.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm pretty good with cars. I'm not that versed in Volkswagens, but anyway, so dark colored. So a lot of times cops get the wrong information. But here is where let me finish with that thought. So if you just happen to be a cop, that all you got was the description of the vehicle, which is possible, this is something that is possible. All they got was a description.
Speaker 1:My man sees a dark colored volkswagen suv and was like fuck, there it is, bam, and he pulls it over and that starts the whole shit storm, domino effect. Because somebody's gonna say I got it over here. Everybody's gonna rush in, nobody's gonna confirm because they believe that you confirmed and that one dude only had the description of the vehicle. He didn't have the plate. Okay, so there's that Now. So look at the other side of the coin You've got the plate.
Speaker 1:That is not something that gets screwed up too terribly bad often in police work. You'll get most of that right, I would say. Every once in a while I get somebody who's a little dyslexic, like myself. You'll get some of it flipped around, but overall fairly close. So the fact that they had the plate there isn't really an excuse to be pulling over this vehicle incorrectly. I'll kind of lean towards that if you had it. So that's what we don't know. This is the unknown information on this. We don't know if he had the information of the plate in front of them and who pulled it over. I'm going to give a shout-out to Kingslayer real quick. It looks like he became a member on our YouTube channel, super Chat. On our YouTube channel, super Chat, he says I'll never be okay with officers swearing at people until there is zero arrest for disorderly conduct, for swearing at cops for five years straight.
Speaker 1:I'm swearing with a purpose.
Speaker 1:Here's where I let me give you one because you became a member. I'm going to give you a quick answer on that from my perspective. I'll let everybody chime in. I'm with you. You shouldn't be swearing at people. However, if there's a purpose, hey, show me your hand. Show me your hands, and they're not doing it, and I know the only thing left for me is to use force. And I say show me your fucking hands, because I am trying it's my last-ditch effort to use verbal before I have to go physical. So there's a purpose behind it. I didn't start with it. I didn't do it to demean. I'm doing it because I'm trying to show you the seriousness of what I'm saying. And that's my thoughts, matt. What about you, brother?
Speaker 2:I'm not a big you don't curse.
Speaker 2:I don't curse very much anyway. I just think that you, when you look back and, uh, I've been in meetings with state's attorneys and they're listening to this and it's a bad look in the courtroom if this goes to court. Um, any case, that, if you, it just really it really it's a detriment to you, to a jury, to people that think we're we're rough and gruff dudes To me I stay away from. But regarding that video, there's good faith things, errors. There's a big difference between good faith errors and blatant misconduct, blatant violation of rights. We don't know everything about the video. I did say he did own it and I I think I think him cursing that is gonna. It makes it worse. It's obviously it's a news clip. They're gonna, that's the first thing they're gonna play, that's, that's uh, it, it's, it's just a bad look, just in my opinion. But you gotta be sure on stuff like that. You really do gotta be sure, because you're gonna be pointing a bunch of guns at guys.
Speaker 1:You are expected to get that right. Yeah, and to his credit, I love that that officer said it wasn't these guys, it was me. He said I fucked this up.
Speaker 1:Like listen in an age where we're looking for accountability. You guys know me, I'm eternally an optimistic person, so I'm always looking at the, trying to look at the best side of everything that we see. And I see this cop he knows he's being recorded Come right out and say look, no, no, no, no, no, don't, don't look at anybody. I fuck this up. I don't know how he did. I don't know what he did to fuck it up. I don't know if he was the guy that started the initial stop, if he called it out, whatever it was. I don't know, but he's owning it, which is awesome, and that's what we got. Let me see here.
Speaker 2:Interesting clip, though I want to get an outcome from that trade. Did you find out?
Speaker 7:No, I was trying to find out. I couldn't find out.
Speaker 2:It's actually right down the road.
Speaker 7:I'm sure he won something on the lawsuit. It technically is false imprisonment.
Speaker 1:I guess yeah, it wouldn't be false arrest, because they didn't actually arrest him.
Speaker 7:No, not a false arrest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that was part of the claim.
Speaker 2:But he absolutely has a know, a lawsuit for sure I'm gonna trade on it and stuff like that. When they come with the racial stuff there's got to be evidence of of, you can't just throw it out there yeah right in the world, not a catch-all. Yeah, no I don't like that yeah um, yeah, so I don't like either.
Speaker 7:I'm like, bro, because I mean, this profession is primarily white, so I work with a lot of white people and I'm like yo, these dudes are not racist, bro. It's like I work with these dudes all day, all day, like I know they're not racist but, that's the part that kind of frustrates me, because you got people who I know are not in that light, like some of y'all here. It's like bro, I know y'all aren't racist, but you guys I might get that label. That's just kind of lame to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on behalf of white people. Thank you, trey. Let me see. I want to get to some of my senior guys. Mr Billfold, he is. What did he say? He said Eric, benny, matt, alan, have a good one. I'm not here for gaslighting, copsplaining. Oh, I don't know what we did to cop-splain. Sorry, brother, but I think, from what I'm being told, he's upset that we didn't show the whole thing. That's the clip we had. I don't have another clip. If you got another clip, great. I don't have another clip. If you got another clip, great.
Speaker 1:But also, you pointed out that they they swore and said they were going to blow his head off and all that stuff can't control what clips we have. It's just what we got, bud, we're not trying to hide anything or do any of that constitutional country girl said Eric, does that change the trauma? He was completely compliant, did everything right. No, it doesn't change it. I'm not. I'm not excusing that at all. There's no, I'm not excusing anything, if that's the way it came across. Um, that wasn't the intention, but I, I think, I think the fact that, uh, that this officer owned it and is taking blame for it, it's not going to get him out of trouble, it's just going to put it on one person versus everybody in that investigation. That was like this is who they said to go to, like I. This officer said they had him and so I came there. That's how we all operate, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think what hurts, though, is to piggyback off of what was said earlier, for another person to hear that they're going to get their head blown off like that's why verbiage like that, like I can't ride with it.
Speaker 7:There's other ways to effectively do that there's other ways to say that yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the trauma part. Like dude, a cop says he's going to blow my head off.
Speaker 1:I'm going to remember that. Yeah, yeah, that's the trauma part. Like dude, the cop says he's gonna blow my head off, right, I'm gonna remember that forever. That's why I'm against any talk like that and and I think we get desensitized that on that as police, because we train in that environment all the time, where you got your your own police officers in a training environment saying the worst of the worst to try to like rattle you, to try to get you going and do that stuff. And then we get out in the field and you do have guys that talk that way and there's it's one of those things is like it's not against the law, it's a policy issue, maybe at your department just depends.
Speaker 1:And like, for me, like I said, it's not how I talk, I don't I'm not cursing at you, but I will say show me fucking hands, like trying to let you know. Like dude, I just tried to be pro and now, like this is it? You just took the? The street side of me is about what you're gonna get. Show me fucking hands, and that's my go-to for anybody that is wondering. Like when I get stressed out and you're not listening, I'm like show me fucking hands. Um, that's what i-to for anybody that is wondering. Like, when I get stressed out and you're not listening, I'm like, show me your fucking hands. Um, that's what I go to. But uh, yeah, I'm with you, like you shouldn't be talking that way. So, um, and we don't even know what they're. What were they going after this guy for? Did they say robbery? I didn't know what we were going after this guy for Banning. What do you got man, you've been quiet.
Speaker 4:I mean, I just have a big problem with the stop. Obviously it's a lot of moving parts, it's what's going on. But the whole fact that the vehicle was stopped and somebody didn't announce I mean any time and I'm not perfect, but when I'm behind a vehicle and a Bolo has gone out, it's an in-progress crime that's leaving. And if they give a license plate number and I see a license plate, it may be the same identical vehicle, maybe a shade off in color. Some people can be colorblind. I'm still verifying that plate. Now, if I have one letter off and I've got everything else that matches and I can articulate that everything else matches, that's a different story. But when everything was wrong, just from the short video that we got to see, I would like to see the full video and hear more about it. You know what we got? It was so short, kind of just one-sided. It didn't give us the call, it didn't give us anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, and guys we don't like, we don't preview these videos, so remember that we just got it Now. Trey did see it, but the rest of us didn. Part was uncalled for.
Speaker 7:That's not really cool. I think Eric was just addressing in times where it's okay to use that type of language, but not even saying like the blow your head off, just curse words in general.
Speaker 7:Yeah, there is a time for that, and it is. And if I can use that instead of shooting you, bro, I would use that If I got to say, put your fucking hands up or show me your fucking hands. If that stops me from shooting you, bro, I'll do that a million times if it stops me from shooting you, but the whole like, blow your head off. Yeah, that shit wasn't cool, it was uncalled for and I don't think that was necessary at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got Alan looking for the full link to find, or the full link, the full video, because I don't want it to seem like we're not trying to take the seriousness of that, stop. I believe you, guys when you say it's even more intense when you see the full clip. I believe you. I just and I'm not trying to excuse the language by any means so, because the comments are, so I would say they're all after this video.
Speaker 8:So let's I mean that's a hypothetical let's say this it's not. I would say the worst of the worst would be that it is a racially biased stop, that they were just looking for a black guy. That would be the worst of the worst. Well, let's just say they mixed the information up in their head. They seen a vehicle that kind of somewhat resembled it, and then just that's the only vehicle that they seen in the area. There's nothing else. They do this stop. They go through the entire investigation. They find out that the officers that did this stop were wrong. What, what's the where do we go from here? Do they get fired? Do they go to prison for the rest of their lives? They just get retraining. Is this a departmental policy violation? Is this a crime? What do we have from here? Yeah, guys, if you're sending.
Speaker 1:I see somebody said it's on Fox 32 Chicago. I can't share that stuff. I can't share news links. Yeah, the copyright will get us it's fine during the live, but then once the live gets posted onto the YouTube channel, then we'll get taken down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, um, that's what we gotta be careful about. What we do show, um, but anything from a news program, we get boned, um, so we try not to do it. That was on an Instagram page which shows Fox 32, but it doesn't ding us the same way. So, um, which is a pain in the butt. That's why I got alan looking for it. He knows what he's doing. Um, what rami say here ban internal affairs investigations, cops, investing in cops is a total insult. I disagree.
Speaker 1:I disagree, um there's a lot of checks and balances and protocols. You're not aware of that? I'm not aware of I'm not in IA but I know that they've got a lot of checks and balances that show the process throughout. And then, like where I'm at, we have a police monitor that checks, that checks and balances. It is not a cop, so I'm a. I really I'm a big fan of police monitors. Now that I've interviewed one we had one on the I got to talk and really ask some questions. I just would think that, or I hope, that they have some sort of background in the criminal justice program. That's all Mr Belfort said. The only similarity Is that there was a black man In Volkswagen. The officers knew it was a black sedan with Two people in it. So I'm Not disagreeing with you.
Speaker 7:I'm Not Even a step further sometime, like when you're on like crimes in progress type of thing I don't know if it was just a Like a bolo flyer that had went out or if it was a crimes in progress.
Speaker 7:But when you're when that information is getting put out on the crimes in progress, it may start off like a dark colors, dark color suv, dark colored volkswagen driving this, this direction, occupied by two, occupied by three or whatever, and you may have seen a dark color suv and maybe that's what I don't know. Like I'm just stating hypotheticals out there and making you understand how information gets put out sometime, like it's not just hey, a gray colored volkswagen, this, this, this type of model here goes the plate. Like it don't always come out like that. It comes out in pieces sometime when because when there is a crimes in progress, one officer goes to the scene and they're getting that information from the reporting party or whoever, whoever is, uh, being a victim of this crime like they they get the information from them and in the midst, when you're talking to them, you don't always get all the information straight up, like sometimes it takes a little bit of time to get that person to give you all the details.
Speaker 7:So yeah and you're putting it out as you're getting it on the radio. So I mean that could that's that could have been why I led to that bad stop. I don't know, there's so many variables. What leads to a bad stop, though?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's the problem with some of these things we just don't have it all, and somebody said that lackluster put it up.
Speaker 2:Maybe this is something we revisit on the next one that we can all watch the more details and revisit this one just to see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't even um. Mr billfold said yes, lackluster has it also, but this show will avoid lackluster. Like to play I don't even know who lackluster is lackluster.
Speaker 2:That's my guy. I love that dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm in, I'm game, bro, like there's nobody I avoid, I promise you. Um, king slayer, I want to give a shout out. He said that, um, it's assault with a deadly weapon. Is that what the call was? Or are you saying that it's assault with a deadly weapon what the cops did? Because if you don't have an offense with this guy, I mean it just depends. Again, it was a bad video to really get into without having a whole lot of information. So Alan took over my miles, so I'm letting him do whatever the fuck he's trying to do. You done with it, alan? It looks like he's done with. So, um, I'm going through the comments right now, just trying I want to make sure, because everybody's got a lot to say on this one. Um, uh, the only one he's finding is from news.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that sucks, that's all I could find too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wish we just had the raw body cam footage um yeah, lackluster probably have.
Speaker 2:He breaks down things in long in at length yeah, um, what's this say?
Speaker 1:LinkedIn? User said Eric in a stop and Banning rolling up on the shots, fire call. Both executed with the utmost professionalism, without profanity. I'd probably be swearing at Banning a lot of times. Like move your big ass over. Like bro, you're right next to me. Like move, sorry, I'm rolling through the comments here. No, we can't, matt, you're good. I saw Mr Billfold said something else. He said I'm going to make some coffee and calm down. Mr Billfold, man, relax, we're boys and hey, we're not always going to agree. That's okay. Me and Matt don't agree on everything, we still can be boys.
Speaker 1:love your points of view god we like it's okay to not agree, guys, it's okay overall. It's the oh, did we find it?
Speaker 3:there we go anything other than that this is the right. This is not going to tell that the investigation will.
Speaker 8:What was going on beforehand that led up to this?
Speaker 2:That's what Lackluster does a very good job of getting all that information out, so I bet his video will be the best.
Speaker 8:So this happened January of last year.
Speaker 1:Okay, it happened during the cold, perfect timing. Alan's trying to pull the video up right now, so just give him a second. There you go, and we are sharing. Welcome back to the lackluster channel. Shout out to lackluster. Hey dude, please don't hit Matt, Make sure he doesn't For taking his stuff. We appreciate him. Shout out to Lackless hey dude, please don't hit Matt, Make sure he doesn't.
Speaker 13:For taking his stuff.
Speaker 14:We appreciate him Rapidly from behind. He pulled over to the curb to allow the vehicle to pass, but it swerved in front of him. Seconds later, officer Daniel Murray exited the unmarked patrol car wearing plain clothes, drew his gun and aimed it at Derek's head clothes, drew his gun and aimed it at Derek's head.
Speaker 1:Officer Zachary Harvey arrived seconds later. Jesus.
Speaker 10:That guy's being calm, do you understand? There you go, there you go. Come on out. I've got to click the time Park.
Speaker 1:Put it in park. Put it in park Real slow.
Speaker 2:Jeez, at least he was able to think that way.
Speaker 3:I'm going to shoot you in your head if you come up with anything other than that.
Speaker 2:Ooh, that's not Lock it up, slow down, slow down.
Speaker 10:Somebody shut off that fucking siren.
Speaker 1:Again. This is from Lacoste Media. Shout out to them cover, cover.
Speaker 13:I got cover. I got cover. You guys wait for me.
Speaker 6:Take some away from me, walk back to me. Real slow, real slow, real slow.
Speaker 13:Now move hands behind your back Right now.
Speaker 6:I don't have any weapons. I just came from Costco dude.
Speaker 1:He's like I just came from Costco dude.
Speaker 7:You guys gotta be slow down on that. We're gonna explain everything in a minute, but we're gonna do it safe.
Speaker 1:Came from Costco dude Child's seat in the bag man I learned you want to put him in my car. Uh yeah, Did they say why they pulled him over or what they were looking for him for?
Speaker 8:Is it in the description. I'm waiting for them to tell him I know, I must have missed it at the beginning.
Speaker 1:again, they're not communicating because you've got people still showing up, running lights and sirens.
Speaker 3:Have a seat. I got you because you got people still showing up running lights and sirens.
Speaker 14:have a seat, um the officer assigned to drive radios in to notify dispatch that he is beginning transportation, but Derek wouldn't make it to the police station.
Speaker 8:They were reporting to a report of a shooting.
Speaker 2:Okay, they thought they had a shooting suspect.
Speaker 8:It involved a different car with a different place, different color and different number of options. Jesus.
Speaker 1:That's too many fucking facts wrong. That's the right car.
Speaker 3:That's the right car. I guess that answers a lot of questions.
Speaker 8:DuPage County, Illinois.
Speaker 1:What's frustrating is the cop that I like in this one. I also get pissed off about because he's like the voice of reason. I think he was being reasonable in the way he was talking and doing everything. Not the guy that said I'll blow was being reasonable in the way he was talking and doing everything, not the guy that said I'll blow your head off the other dude. But then also he was like, yeah, transport him, get him down there. You don't even know you got the right fucking guy. You haven't even confirmed it's the right car. Like, where are you going to take him and start interviewing a guy that you don't even know is the right person? Person like it obviously had to be a hot call where they all jumped in on it. Have you even located a gun, shell, casings, anything in this car? Like what the fuck? Okay, let's keep going. Yeah, everybody was right. We should have watched this full fucking video. Definitely the way the media pushed that other one. This is way different, it's a whole different car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the reaction you should have Fuck, let him the fuck out. Get him out of the car Aw. Damn it.
Speaker 2:I'm giving you my prime password, alright. You can hear a fuck Take him out Wrong car. Take him out Wrong car. Hop on man.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm glad the investigative process worked before it got even worse.
Speaker 2:Take, him out of the handcuffs. He's beating you up. Okay, I'm going to give you some information on who I am.
Speaker 14:We'll talk about what's going on, okay, but I'm going to take care of these handcuffs first, okay, he first. Okay, he's like I said. I like it makes me mad. I like this guy was falsely told that his vehicle matched one involved in a shooting, but this was not true, as neither his car or his license plate matched the suspected vehicle. The vehicle the officers were looking for was a black tiguan, while derek is in a silver atlas. The officers were also aware that the suspect vehicle had two occupants but they found derek alone.
Speaker 4:They had wrongfully detained and threatened his life based solely on the first two letters of the license plate All right.
Speaker 6:That's why you're pushing handcuffs. We thought you were the guy no All right, you're not I understand that, all right. Hey, listen, look at me. I f***ed this up. Understand that I'm going to give you my card. This is on me, absolutely, absolutely on me. It's clear. These roads have been outthreaded and they're shooting me in the head, hands up, right. This is ridiculous, okay, well, listen, this is ridiculous. I've been out here for 15 years and never have I wanted in my life, my man.
Speaker 4:Nothing dude. You have to look at it, man. Nothing dude, that's it. He's got every right to.
Speaker 6:That's it is unacceptable you are absolutely especially you, harvey, especially you okay all right, sir, can I get your? Name. My name is Derek House man. I've been out here. I lived in Woodbridge for 10. I've been in Donald's world for three. Man, I'm gonna upstanding citizen. My kids go to school here. I'm well respected. That is wrong. You're right. You don't do that. You don't do that.
Speaker 12:Anything else you want to say to here, you're right, anything else you want to say to me no, but sure, that's what I'm doing, all right, you're right.
Speaker 14:Nearly four years ago, the chief of police published this video to the department's YouTube page. Body-worn cameras.
Speaker 13:It's a project we've been working on for three years. We're happy about it. It's going to increase our transparency on the police department. It's going to help us in evidence collection. It's also going to protect our officers.
Speaker 14:Despite speaking about transparency, the videos for this incident were not released for an entire year after and still have not been released by the department, and have only been made available to the public through Derek's attorneys, as he is now suing officer Murray Harvey, kielbasa, cybulski, prendergast and the village of Woodridge for false arrest, excessive force all right, I think we got through enough.
Speaker 1:Um, I got it, alan Alan. So I want to address this comment. The cop who threatened to kill this man should be in prison for life. I'll let Matt go first. What do you think, man?
Speaker 2:I mean it's definitely trash that he did that. I don't know about prison for life, but it's got to be a repercussion for that whole thing. I see the guy's using really horrible tactics. While he's doing it he's all amped up, he's escalating things like that's how people get hurt. Yeah, Um, that that needs to be addressed and like seriously addressed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, you know we do get a little overreaction. Sometimes we get some extremes where, like, I need to be in prison for like, come on, no, like there's plenty of things that people do that are really bad. Somebody actually gets hurt. Nobody actually got physically hurt in this trauma. Yes, let's make up for that monetarily through. You know the lawsuits and whatnot justifiably so. Um, fire them. I mean that could be an option. Retrain, go through some stuff. Those are all options Banning. If this was your guy, you're the chief and that was your guy on this call. What's your instinct on that?
Speaker 4:My whole thing is. We just spent I'm not sure how big their department is, how many is on patrol during day shift, whatever all the resources to the extent of what they just did to this man. And now the guy that actually did the crime is driving away, is getting away because we didn't have a qualified person looking at a plate, looking at the color of the vehicle, figuring that out. And me, as a chief, I failed. If my guys are out there doing this type of mistake, I failed and it's going to be a press conference. I mean, all you can do is put out a fire, but this is a blaze, this is something that you don't necessarily recover from.
Speaker 4:You know there's a lot of cops can brush this off. Oh, that was the first cop's fault, everybody that's coming to that scene. You cannot just rely on that first officer arriving. You're getting the same information over the radio. More than likely. You have the same access to the MDT page when you're coming to the call. We're all looking for the same thing. We've got to double, triple check before we light somebody up Because, as we know, when we light somebody up with the cherries and berries, red and blues, whatever you want to call it. We're stopping their motion, they are under arrest, or you know, technically, until they're either free to leave or they go to jail. We got to have a reason to do that, and in this case they did not have a reason to stop the freaking car, and I'm going to leave it at that for now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mr B, a reason to stop this freaking car, and that's. I'm gonna leave it at that for now. Yeah, mr bill said the senior undercover who initiated the stop started the whole ball rolling. Officer harvey threatening to shoot the man in the head stemmed from a senior officer initiating a bad stop. I agree, um, I agree, yeah, um. Mama g said thank you for listening to us guys, for investigating enough to find the whole video and watching with us. Yeah, no problem. I mean, if we haven't made it clear by now, I'm hoping we can continue to do that, like we're not hiding anything. We're open book guys. We fuck up. We're not always going to agree, all of that. Kingslayer said they had no RAS, which, for those that don't know, is reasonable, articulable suspicion. Every cop knows they need RAS. Therefore, they knowingly pointed a gun at someone without and I don't know that they knowingly did the one that initiated the stop he's the one that would be at fault, because everybody else is just going off of what's called good faith.
Speaker 1:If, if I got a guy says, I got him over here, like I'm not gonna question it, I'm gonna be like, all right, let's fucking go, I'm gonna go help you. Um, that's just the way it is. Uh, michael riley said guilty until proven innocent in this video and took way too long to prove innocence too. I wouldn't say prison for life, but I do like prison here unacceptable. Um, I don't know. What do you think, matt?
Speaker 2:I. It just all depends on and the mentality that it was this. Uh, is this guy just that slow? Um, did he do this maliciously? Did he just say I don't give a f and I'm just gonna stop?
Speaker 1:right, whatever did he make?
Speaker 2:an honest fucking mistake, that's to determine. Yeah, we don't know. You'd have to know that stuff. But yeah, I mean, if it was out of malintent and he just didn't care he did this 10 other times then I don't have an issue with prosecution.
Speaker 1:I'm reading some of the comments, eric, obviously has a drinking problem. It's not a problem for me. Not a problem for me. Uh, I like doing it. Um, damn it. I had a comment that I was gonna click and then, uh, oh, it was this one, rami rami, giving me shit. Man, he said eric, you're not for change, you want to continue seeing the innocent get injured and expired. I don't know how you got that impression. I don't agree with you.
Speaker 8:You don't take time on your time off to organize other people in the profession to sit down and be able to articulate why something is the way it is because you want to see people unalived.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I dropped a lot of my own money just to come up here and not want to see change I hear that a lot, eric.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just I tell him, uh, about you, like eric wouldn't associate with me if he didn't really mean and want to do this stuff right, exactly, yeah yeah, matt's got a great reputation for being a dude that doesn't want change, like, like I must.
Speaker 1:I wrapped myself around a bunch of dudes that want change guys, so, um, but that's okay. I mean, everybody can have their own opinion. Uh, mr bill for these is what I like. Mr bill for you, like romney. Mr bill for like only I can give levine shit hey mr bill, you got to send me your address.
Speaker 2:man, I'm going to send you all the hoodie. I love you, dude.
Speaker 1:I love it All. My auntie Lisa's in the house.
Speaker 7:Even sometimes when people say that they want to see change. Sometimes I'll be just wanting to show people what has already changed, because policing is not the same from the 80s and 90s and early 2000s to now, bro. It's not the same from the 80s and 90s and early 2000s to now, bro, it's not the same, and I don't care what everybody says, it's not the same. So so when people paint that image, sometimes it's just showing people like yo, this shit has came a long way already.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's continuously getting better, that's.
Speaker 10:I mean.
Speaker 1:I, I really do think law enforcement is continuously improving. Um, it's always got work to do. Stinson said remember Eric's security forces. They are dumb military law enforcement. They guard planes. Hey, listen, just because you weren't smart enough to get in the Air Force, garrett, garrett, I'll leave it at that. I'm not going to try that last name. I joined in late, but I think it could be an honest mistake that they could have been made out of safety. But, as I said, I joined late. You said the wrong comment, garrett.
Speaker 9:This crowd is going to eat you alive tonight bro Harrison Brock oh shit, I missed it.
Speaker 1:Kingslayer said Rami. I disagree with these guys all the time, but that's totally untrue. Thanks guys, appreciate it. Happy the Chinchilla, I love some of these names. Two Cops Thanks guys, appreciate it. Happy the Chinchilla, I love some of these names. Two Cops One Donna Good evening, elio Brethren what do we got here? Shotgun in Tattoo. So damn. Everything's froze Must be all that snow, not us. But I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2:turning me on to Lackluster, I feel likenton, oh you gotta watch him.
Speaker 7:He got some.
Speaker 2:I never heard of him, that's the first time I've ever seen his stuff I've I didn't even recognize the voice, so I know I've never seen him I want to highlight when he, when he comments on my videos every now and again it's like it makes my day.
Speaker 1:Bro, that was a legit breakdown like my man is good. He's phenomenal.
Speaker 2:He's actually worked with.
Speaker 1:Sean.
Speaker 2:Him and Sean Paul. Reyes have the attorney shield thing.
Speaker 1:Oh really, yep the partner. Oh, I didn't know that. Fuck, that's cool, I like that. So where are we at? We're at an hour and a half. We haven't even gotten to the body cam breakdown side.
Speaker 2:So I only got. I only got another half hour, bro.
Speaker 1:The mama's gonna be home don't be giving me that shit oh, man, you better stick it out.
Speaker 8:I'm here close to my time oh shit, are you dead yeah I knew, dad, I knew I knew you had to jet um.
Speaker 1:If you bounce, we'll let alan fucking pop his head in.
Speaker 8:This is a great, good time to let one person come out and another great producer come in.
Speaker 1:Well, before you do go, let me know, and then, if you got anything that you want people to know and how to find, go ahead, yeah this would be a good time because we're kind of in between stuff.
Speaker 8:Failure Stop goes on Fridays, breakdown goes at 11 Eastern and then tomorrow morning at 10 Eastern. We do Fox, does F A, w K E S and we talk about everything, everything in the news. So tomorrow we're going to talk about all of the part or not all, pardons, cause that's just the entire criminal family but we're going to talk about all of the new executive orders. What's was written out in the last 48 hours? What's that mean? Where are we going from here? Where can we see the next couple of what we're going to do? But I do a lot with them and then you're going to need a lot of time.
Speaker 1:He wrote a lot. He signed a lot of them. From what I heard, I don't follow politics, but um, oh, did he bounce already?
Speaker 8:Oh, there oh, there he is. That's what Alan was doing. A good mod, he was perfect segue, perfect timing. He's like get the fuck out of here. Alan's waiting. It's been fun. I'll catch you guys next week later.
Speaker 1:Dad. Appreciate you, bro, see you guys. Bye brother, see ya. People are giving you shit, trey.
Speaker 2:They're like Trey looks bored as hell did they go down to the blackjack table, or what?
Speaker 1:I know I don't know what he's doing. You know that, dude, if he's got to go to the bathroom, that's going to be some work on that porcelain.
Speaker 2:That's a big man. When is he going to talk about pardons? That's on a different show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that'll be on a different show. That's his. I think it's going to be on the Failure to Stop stuff. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:That was a big one, you to stop stuff. Oh, okay, that was, uh, it was a big one. One of my cases. They got pardoned. I don't do politics, but yeah, what do you mean? One of your cases when I was young, a big, famous case from my city. What, yeah, I got the guy got got off death row and got put on a life. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, it was. It didn't make me very happy. Dang, that hurt two days before christmas. I got to relive it. It happened. I was a rookie and it was uh, I mean, it's one that that traumatized me for I still think about every day.
Speaker 1:It was terrible wow no shit alan said, he got a big one too.
Speaker 2:Um damn that's yeah, that didn't make me very happy.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, let me see here. I'm just looking at the comments real quick. Blue line flag is trash. I guess we've had that discussion on here before it just depends on what it means to you. Yeah. If it's about division yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm with you If that's what you think it represents For me. I've said this before on here for me, what the blue line actually means is, if I die in the line of duty, the people that work around me, I know, are going to take care of my family when I'm gone. It's really what it is. It has nothing to do with the public, to be honest. That's what the thin blue line means to me, but there are some people that think that that's the vision between them and the bad people out there, which I can understand. That I think that's what its original intent was, but I think along the way it may have got misconstrued amongst some other officers and their stupid ass ideas of having Punisher.
Speaker 2:You know, tattoos and I'm like yeah it is corny, I that it is corny oh mad corny, oh my gosh, yeah, god you know it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like starter kit for a cop. Uh the oakley gas can glasses. The punisher tattoo. Uh the you know energy drink. What else is there that's?
Speaker 2:like my man, will Mills, would say nasty work, that's nasty work, right.
Speaker 1:Banny's just gonna smile. He's like who you talking about, banny? You ever listen to a rap song?
Speaker 4:do I ever listen to one? Yeah country. I don't actually don't man yeah I don't laugh, man. If you I mean you want to sit back and sing some warren g regulator, I could probably go line for the line with you right now there we go hell yeah, but no, I mean I, I grew up with it all man yeah, trey, too young to know who Warren G is.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. It was a clear black night. What's the next line? Trey, Say it again.
Speaker 7:It was a clear black night. I know the song, but I don't know the next line. Benny, what's the next?
Speaker 4:line A clear white moon.
Speaker 1:Ah, he got it.
Speaker 4:That's what's up Fucking poser, fucking rookie poser. Moon there may be. There may be a karaoke video out there of me. Oh, you want to talk about bad? It was horrible.
Speaker 1:I mean I had every word on point, but I can't sing bro when I before I became okay before I got in the military, uh, I did drunken karaoke and I decided I'm like I'm gonna dedicate this one to my girl who's my wife.
Speaker 9:I sang Superman by Eminem oh my gosh if you know the words to that one, I fucked up.
Speaker 1:I was in the doghouse. Uh, it was supposed to be funny, it wasn't funny, so anyway, all right, let's get to. Let's get to the body, cam breakdown stuff, the stuff that we we like to do. Um, let me see, just uh, let go, alan. I got it for a second. I was somebody's comment popped up so I was like, uh, just me, do police really make society safer?
Speaker 7:I don't think so well go a day without police, see what happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I disagree, sir Banning. What do you think man? Do police really make society safer, or do you think no?
Speaker 4:They absolutely do. I know there's some people in the crowd that don't want to hear that, but they absolutely do.
Speaker 2:Matt, what about you? What do you think they absolutely do? Come follow me around one day, one shift, we'll see it that's all you got.
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah, for sure right, I like it.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's uh, just me, if, if, if your intent's to troll this channel like I, I'm not saying that's what you're doing, I'm just saying if that's your intent, um, you're going to find yourself hard pressed because we don't rattle easy.
Speaker 2:So yes, we will. I'll admit that sometimes that is not the case. But you want to be general like just come, follow us Right, Absolutely.
Speaker 1:He said let's watch Eric continue to get sauce. You will, I will continue to drink and sip all night. That's what's fun about this for me. Um, but you do, you, mr billfold, just let me, or just me. You've never dealt with scary criminals. I don't call cops. I or trust them, but we need good cops for sure. My man and, and if you don't, if you're the type that thinks that police don't make any safer, don't call them 9-1-1 is optional.
Speaker 1:That's why I tell people at work handle your business um, but all right're going to get to this video.
Speaker 4:Alan, you can take, you can take over. Now people are putting up the Warren G comments making that that is good stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I listen to that thing on replay, bro. Okay, we've never watched these videos. If any of us have, we won't comment. We'll let the others talk about it. These are all from Police Activity on YouTube. Be sure to check them out. Police Activity, all one word. They've got 6.34 million subscribers and we basically just use them exclusively. We've used some other stuff, but there's really no point to get away from it. Make sure you like, subscribe, follow those guys, because their stuff is the shit and it is unfettered, so I like it. Let's go Biggie, size that shit. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 10:We will be pausing often. Police, oh my gosh. Hey how you doing. Ma'am, my daughter's scared. She's like she don't know what's going on. No, are you okay? Yeah, All right, I'm Officer McFarland's detective who wants to talk to you guys. About what Are you missing?
Speaker 1:Okay, I would say so far it looks like we may have a domestic. The thing that throws me off is they say we have a detective here, so they're like making contact for the detective that's on scene. So from my training and experience, this seems like it's a follow-up so far on something Banning what do you got Not?
Speaker 4:enough yet I'm not going to read what's at the top. I'm trying to let it unfold a little bit.
Speaker 1:Okay, anybody else got an intake on that one, we do it like that.
Speaker 2:If a detective's there, it's usually going to be a follow-up.
Speaker 7:Yeah, a follow-up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I don't feel like this is a hot call. I feel like this is a follow-up to some investigation. Okay, and she seemed to be taken by surprise. Keep going. Oh, my God. Is he home? Where is he? He's here.
Speaker 12:Where Hold up, no, hold up, hold up here, ma'am, where is he? No, no, no, hold up, no, so I can talk to you. Is he in his room or where?
Speaker 10:No, he's sleeping. Okay in the back here. All Okay in the back here, all right, cool. Just don't close the door on me. You can go get him if you want. Okay here, don't close the door on me please.
Speaker 1:Okay, pause it. Please don't close it. Okay, so on this him telling him not to close the door, I'm leaning towards this guy probably has a warrant. That's my vibe off of that. Exactly what I thought too, and if that's the case, he's got every right to tell her to keep the door open, because now we know we have a wanted person inside the house, because she's confirmed he's in the home sleeping. Am I wrong on that Banning?
Speaker 4:You're not wrong on that at all. But the whole I don't know her normal voice, but what tells me is, I think he's listening to the conversation right now and in her heart she knows that this officer opens the door, it's about to go south and I think and this is I haven't seen this video but just with that voice, inflection, the way she's acting, you know her bodily actions, is telling me that he's about to be in that danger zone and I think she's trying to subliminally tell him you're about to get and this is again Banning's opinion on it but I think it's about to go bad real quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of rabbit ears or red alerts from her tone and what she's saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she seems terrified I mean terrified even when they first opened the door. So yeah, trey, how are you handling this from here?
Speaker 7:I'm mainly trying to get I like to. If I know he's in there. My main thing is to try to separate her from that resident. That's like the first thing I'm trying to do, like come on and talk to me, trying to get her to me. So that way, if it you know, if we come down and we do got to go in, we can plan a little bit better than like if you step in and you see the dude in his own and cracking, like you can't do nothing about it. But uh, my main thing is trying to get her out to me but I would do the same.
Speaker 7:If you're trying to close the door, I'm not gonna close it on me, for sure.
Speaker 1:But yeah, um, like I said, that's if we have a warrant. This, this can't be just some random um, what we like to call is a knock and talk. A knock and talk is a totally different thing. That has to be consensual. But if it's a warrant, that takes away that consensual side of things.
Speaker 1:Rami said never open the door for a cop unless they have a warrant. Always record them and always invoke the Fifth Amendment. Ryan, I agree with you that you're right, absolutely, absolutely, brother. I'm 100% with you that you're right, absolutely, absolutely, brother. I'm 100% with you. You're damn right. Don't talk to them. I tell everybody don't trust the cops, don't trust them. They're trying to get theirs. That's what we do. We're trying to catch bad guys. So they need to be more articulate. Right, banning very high pitched voice. Yeah, like I said, somebody said they think it sounds like they just woke up. I don't agree with that and I, the way that they came to the door, the cops hadn't even knocked on it yet. That tells me that somebody that was alert and paying attention to outside the house.
Speaker 4:I bet, if you had more light in this situation, you'd see a carotid artery going a million miles a minute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's another way that we do see things. You can see somebody's heart rate if they got that distended neck going, for sure let's keep going.
Speaker 12:Inside the house, in the back room, apparently sleeping Mom has opened the door for us. Is there any dogs?
Speaker 1:Nope, nope, I'm backing out. Pause it From here. I don't have eyes on and I got another closed door, so I really have no advantage. I'm backing out. I know that he's in there. I'm hoping we have a warrant. We did. We still don't know that. This is our assumption. But if we do have a warrant, I'm backing out, I'm setting a perimeter and then we're gonna go to the communications from there, loud hailing. Hey, we know you're in there, come out, talk to us. Um, that's me, um, and I don't even know what this guy's wanted for. So, trey, what do you think, man?
Speaker 7:Nah, I'm definitely dipping out of the house right there. There's no. I mean you can, but that is not smart to go up in there after she just closed it like that. So now we're back out trying to do call outs, use the PA system, get more resources there, set a perimeter, that kind of stuff. I mean asking for a squad already is kind of crazy. You don't got enough for that. But you could definitely get more units there, more resources, canine helicopters, different stuff.
Speaker 4:I used to love and I'm not trying to interrupt here, but I used to love on something like this. Let's say, it's a medium ochre, It'sre, but it's a. It's a felony warrant, but it's not against a person like a violent warrant.
Speaker 1:Yes, what I'm going to do is.
Speaker 4:I'm going to get my day shift guys to hopefully knock this guy by himself down on traffic to where. You know what I'm saying, to where? In a rural area, you know a way where nobody else can get hurt. A in a rural area, you know ways where nobody else can get hurt. A lot of people don't understand what a fatal funnel is, but that that officer standing in what's called the fatal funnel, walking in that door, he does. There's a lot of unknowns in there. It could be another room.
Speaker 4:It may be a really small building that may be broke off into four small rooms in there, and that's that you're going into. Hell's them. Yes.
Speaker 4:And them, or more, yes, and unless that person is a direct threat to somebody in that house right now, we're going to back out and discuss let the highest ranking person say that decision that we're going to do for that evening, or we may, what you know. If it's not, if it's a non, you know not really bad warrant, fucking wait. There's no reason to get in going, you know, like john wayne, and go and do shit out. Wait until it's a proper time to take the picture.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you got Matt?
Speaker 2:Exactly what Banny just said it's time and a place. It all depends. And if it's that dangerous, then why are you going in there with just two of you anyway?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it almost seems like they were hoping they didn't run into him. Is he here? No, okay, thanks, we appreciate it. And then the time of night. That's another thing to consider. It's 2136, so that's pretty late at night to be going making contact with a home, you know, for a detective. I've never really seen detectives hitting up homes that late at night.
Speaker 2:I've seen some with nighttime detectives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's uncommon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I sure should.
Speaker 1:I was a detective, I was a banker, I was for me Right and honestly, if you're dealing with a violent doper, they're sleeping in the middle of the day anyway. So it's like the good time to go see them. But no somebody anyway. So it's like the good time to go see him, so, um, but no um. Somebody had said you know, it might have been an illegal entry. It depends. If you know you got a warrant on this guy, then we have a different ball game. We don't know enough yet. So um eye of the night, said door opened up doesn't mean you have a right to come in it. It depends. We don't know yet. Don't know if they've got a warrant. So if they do, yes. If not, you're right. Play. Sure.
Speaker 11:You do have a warrant to enter this house here. No, no, no, Ma'am. I have a warrant for him. We have a warrant.
Speaker 1:We have a warrant.
Speaker 10:Yes, come on. No, what the hell is going on.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, my boy had it ready Shit. So we confirmed we have a warrant, got a warrant for this person. So now we've got an arrest warrant for a person that the resident confirmed they were there. So now we've got the articulation. We need to be able to go into this house. Now, like I said, me personally, the moment she closed the door and back, you know, the moment she closed the door, I'm okay with them stepping into the house, but when she closed that door, I'm backing out. Be like, all right, fuck this. We need more people. He's in this house, let's do that.
Speaker 1:Garrett said bad tactics, you don't always have to gain ground. I've heard a lot of people say you don't want to lose gained ground, but that's not safe. Yes, I'm with you. I, I understand having the known that's what we call it. Where I'm at, it's the known like. I don't want to give up my known like. That's fine, but you put yourself in a fatal funnel. There's no need to stay there. Yeah, back out, it's you, they're contained within the home. So let's, let's use some. I and I'm not a tactical guy, I'm not that dude, I'm not, you know, swat handing it everywhere.
Speaker 7:So for me, uh, like perry says perimeter guess what not for that, because why's not coming to that?
Speaker 4:um, hey, do me a favor, throw up tim owens comment. The second one down let's talk about this for a second Said I thought you had a have an arrest warrant and a search warrant. So I'm going to go just for a second, because this was I get asked this from from fresh law enforcement coming out of the academy all the time because they can get confused. They just had the drink from pardon my pun drinking from a fire hose the whole time during the police academy. It's a lot of information. And then they're trained to pass a test and now comes the real training on what is what if they have a good FTO. And I'm going to give everybody an example that I think I can kind of break it down.
Speaker 4:You're a beat cop, you get out of an apartment complex and you're walking and you have blinds open and you're on a sidewalk it's public view and you're looking as a peace officer dressed in uniform and you look at somebody that you can identify that has a serious felony warrant. I'm talking, you can 100% identify this person. You may have helped with the case. You know that's the person that has the warrant. He doesn't have a twin brother. There's no doppelganger that matches him, you're 100% sure, and you go and you knock on the door first. It's a warrant.
Speaker 4:Whatever they don't answer, can you enter that? I can speak for Texas on this. If it's a serious felony warrant, yes, you may enter that premises if you notice that that person is in the house. For me personally, it's going to have to be a pretty serious warrant for me to go in, to breach that opening and go in and grab somebody. But no, to answer your question, you don't have to have a search warrant on top of that, but you have to be 100% factual that that person is in the house, and that's where I don't want people to get twisted on. Oh, you can't. You have to be 100%. And that can be a reasonable and prudent person at the door as an adult, telling you he's in the back bedroom. You know, mike Smith, the guy with the warrant is in the back bedroom, that has the warrant, that is reasonable and prudent and yes, you can do it. But again, it's gotta be a pretty serious warrant for me to go in there and snatch that person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, um, somebody said I think it was, uh, maybe rami rami said, um, and and I just want to point this out because he's right uh, I was saying eric would not be a cop without qualified immunity and, yes, colorado is still a nasty police state. I don't know about that. But no, I, I would not have been a cop without. Now. I'm, I'm in, not gonna leave now, but, um, if they decide to abolish qualified immunity, like me being, like doing any proactive police work is done?
Speaker 1:oh hell, no yeah I'm just gonna sit back and supervise, not gonna do shit, and I'm a very proactive person. So, um, but no, you're not wrong, I I definitely. If it pro. If qualified immunity wasn't a thing, I wouldn't have become a cop. Nope, you're right, absolutely. I need a buffer in good faith when I'm trying to do the right thing and not have frivolous lawsuits. That could be for anything. That's just me so. But Eric looks a little more like Brian than Quagmire Fuck off. And for those trolls that keep trying, shut up Matt, look at him laughing. You, fuck off.
Speaker 4:We love you, brother. That's why it's funny.
Speaker 1:For the trolls that keep trying to go at us like, listen, we could ban you. That's not our style. I just want to point that out. We're going to let you keep talking. We're not going to stop as long as you don't get racist and you don't promote violence. Those are the only two things. We're not going to let you do those. Everything else go ahead, I don't care.
Speaker 1:Yes, I would stay a cop, he's like. But would you stay a cop at this point? Yeah, I would stay a cop at this point. Let's continue with the video, though. Yeah, I've been a cop too long, I can't go now.
Speaker 10:I got no other skills, ma'am, I have a warrant for him. You have a warrant.
Speaker 4:For you. Yes, Come on. What the hell is going on? Come on.
Speaker 10:What the hell is going on? Oh shit, Let go of the gun.
Speaker 1:Pause. Okay, he did exactly what I would have done, what I've been trained to do. You don't have time to draw your gun. You have to attack the threat. You have to get a hold of that weapon and direct it away from you. You're too close. So for all my cops and military guys that are watching where you often get killed in these situations and I am a use of force expert is you try to draw your gun. You're already behind the curve. You don't have the time You're going to lose. So he attacked the threat with his hands. That and listen to what eric is saying.
Speaker 4:He's not saying. If the guy is across the room, non-reachable right area, we the gap is already closed. The guy is within less than a meter. You've got to act, you've got to get that thing, and that goes for for protecting yourself out on the street too if somebody comes up and tries to mug you. I'm not going to sit here and give defensive tactic lessons by any reason. But, freaking, get that barrel away from you. Yeah, you bring that thing, get it out, and usually whoever gets that gun to center is going to win. But again, not going to, not going to teach you all that, but that's all that officer's trying to do.
Speaker 1:I will absolutely teach you all that that was. This is my expertise. This is where I shine. Um, this is what I have taught to recruits. Um, this is what I have based my whole career around. Is is use of force and control tactics. Um, this is where. And and then property crimes. Those are the only three things I'm going to brag about in law enforcement. So, for me, what this cop did was beautiful. He attacked the gun. He didn't go to his gun, so good on him for doing what he's doing. So from here, I am going to get both hands on that weapon. I'm not going to try to do this you know, john Wick shit and control it with one hand. Pull my gun and try to do some other shit. I'm going to control that gun and just keep the muzzle away from everybody.
Speaker 2:Matt, what do you think? I'm the same way. I've been in that position with a knife actually Too close you got to just grab it, oh no. Attack the wrist, yeah, wrist control.
Speaker 1:You have to go for it. I would rather have to deal with a gun that close than a knife.
Speaker 2:That was not uh, it was a little pucker up there. They get them golden gloves. I learned your jiu-jitsu wrist control and that one okay, I like it yeah, we didn't end up hurting. I think I got my partner tased them how much? Boxing. You got how many years? Yeah, uh, it's been from about 30 to 30, it's probably about five or six years like straight straight, doing it like every day okay, okay, I've got about.
Speaker 1:I got about two years of straight, but now I just I work. I don't do any training, I just work the bags and stuff I do workouts with it but yeah like I don't. I, I don't want to sit there and pretend like I'm, you know, up there, muhammad Ali style, but it definitely helps out.
Speaker 2:I said two years, it was about a two-year period. It was straight like real fight, sparring every single, like three, four days a week.
Speaker 1:Okay, that explains the brain damage.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, the CTE.
Speaker 10:I got you, I got you, got you. That's the cte. So yes, all right, let's keep going sound like a drop so he said it's unloaded.
Speaker 1:I didn't even hear a shot fired. Let's go back. Go back to the first contact.
Speaker 2:Quick question what's?
Speaker 4:the question.
Speaker 2:If you grab that entire slide, can he get one shot off.
Speaker 4:Depending on the make and manufacturer he may be able to get one. Depending on how the and manufacturer he may be able to get one. Depending on how the hammer and pen is On a Glock. You got to infuse quite the motion on that slide. Yeah, I've heard.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is when you pull the trigger, it's not the slide. The slide is a reaction. Yeah that's okay. It's not the action. So you pull the trigger, the firing pin goes forward and hits the bullet. So if there's one in the chamber, it doesn't matter if you're holding that that slide.
Speaker 1:It's going off now. It's not going to put another round in battery. That's right, okay, I know, I know it's either one or none. Yeah, now, if you don't have a round in the chamber and you pull the trigger, nothing should happen, um, unless there's a gun that sends a round up into the chamber as you pull the trigger. I don't know of one that does that. So no, it shouldn't. If you grab the slide and there's a round in the chamber and you're downrange, you're effed Like that's a bad spot to be in.
Speaker 4:And if you grab it and it's a revolver because, yes, there are still many, many revolvers out there if you have a thick, freaking, massive grip on that, that gun around, only you've got that manning. I don't care how strong you are, it'll take your skin and just wrap it because that cylinder is going to turn when they pull that trigger. That cylinder is going to turn, it's going based off the trigger pull and it will wrap your skin up in there and you'll get some, some nice little scars on your hand, yeah, from that. So yeah, just be careful.
Speaker 1:At least the barrel's not aimed towards you. Yeah, I'm going to quickly sort of address this Again. Not an expert on qualified immunity, but the abuse of QI is only a small part of the problem. The immunity of the lawyer is stronger agreed. And the judicial immunity is even worse Totally agree, thank you for pointing that out. And the judicial immunity is even worse, totally agree, thank you for pointing that out. And for everybody that has a problem with qualified immunity, just remember, it's not the police that do the qualified immunity, it's the judges.
Speaker 7:They're the ones that have the call of whether or not a cop qualifies for that immunity or doesn't. Somebody said in California you need a search warrant if you are led into a residence or other establishment. That's not really true, if like how would you know.
Speaker 1:Are you a california cop? Of course, okay. I just want to get that out there no, like what danny was saying.
Speaker 7:Like yo, if you see somebody, you know that that's them. Through the window you can go.
Speaker 1:You don't need to search one for that, bro right or you have a credible person being an adult that's inside the home verifying that that person you're looking for is inside about firsthand knowledge yeah, yep, and the people that are googling that.
Speaker 4:That's gonna. That's gonna go under what's called reasonable and prudent.
Speaker 7:It's gonna be a normal person or if you're chasing somebody and they run up in there like bro, you can't oh, I need a warrant now? No, you don't. That's hot pursuit, bro.
Speaker 1:Run right up in there behind them if you want to yep, or if you know they have a warrant for their arrest. You know they're in there. Now you can. It doesn't have to be in hot pursuit. You could see them run into the house and be like, oh he's in there, let me go up there. Harrison Bragg said who the hell is using a Glock when you can get a staccato?
Speaker 1:alright, fucker $3,000 and trust me, my department has approved them, so I want one. So bad, they're, so expensive, but I have a Glock, bro, could you imagine staccato? Or two cops, one donut brought to you by staccato me, trey Matt, everybody just sitting up here just holding on to our staccatos while we're talking. No, we're not drinking?
Speaker 1:Do you all carry the same pew-pew and doody off-duty as you do on-duty? Okay, so here's my thing on carrying on-duty and off-duty, no matter where it is. If my department carries Glocks and that's what I'm used to using, that's what I carry off duty. When I worked up in Michigan, we carried six, so that's what I carried off duty. Cause when shit hits a fan, I want to revert back to what I've been trained with.
Speaker 4:Well, were you guys carrying a P two 26 or what was it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't want to go down the gun road. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what we had. And then down here in Texas I'm carrying a Glock 17.
Speaker 2:So all my off-duty guns are Glocks. I'm with you. I liken it to a baseball bat back in the metal bat days. I like the one that I used to hit with.
Speaker 4:It's the one I carry all the time, my favorite One mag in the firearm firearm itself and I had three on the on my carrier and that equated to 69 rounds and you know if you need more than that yeah, yeah, that's a problem, um, but yeah, my my, let's go back to the glory days.
Speaker 1:My old little league bat was the black magic by easton with 32 ounce, 33 ounce, um I I don't remember the ounce, to be honest, but the Black Magic was the name of it. That was my bat, that was my fave. But I want to get to the point. It looks like he's drawn right now. If you're looking at the video, I'm going to put the mouse and everybody listen.
Speaker 4:Sorry, go ahead to put the mouse and everybody listen. Oh sorry, go ahead. When that, when that, when that it appears the officer's guns coming around and you guys tell me it might be my old man ears, but I think I hear a round go off at point blank. Tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1:When we go into this, okay, all right, I'm gonna hit play right there was where the rounds went off.
Speaker 10:I heard bop, bop, bop. All right, come on. No, what the hell is going on.
Speaker 1:No, what the hell is going on. Right, there was where the rounds went off. I heard bop, bop, bop, All right three.
Speaker 10:Yeah, I'm going to go back again For you. Yes, Come on. No, what the hell is going on. No, what the hell is going on, no what the hell is going on.
Speaker 1:Contact shot. Contact shot.
Speaker 9:Contact shot. That's what that was. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Okay. So he held the gun with his offhand, drew, pressed it and fired one round. That's pretty fucking gangster, like no lie. We're not trained for that, guys. At least I've never seen training for that. That was like I'm not trying to die and he just came up with that shit on the fly, so I got no issues with that. That was fucking crazy.
Speaker 4:And then he makes a comment on the floor that that gun that he pulled like that was unloaded. Yeah, that's what's crazy. And then he makes a comment on the floor that that gun that he pulled like that was unloaded.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's what we call suicide by cop. Tim said I just carry my ex-wife around, she will kill you with her looks alone. Oof, fucking Tim. If you guys don't follow Tim on TikTok, please follow that dude. Tim is a legend, he is. I love it. Mosley's got to jump. Mosley, let him know, man. Let him know what you plan to do for TCOD man.
Speaker 7:I'm still working on that, bro. I just got off of Third Watch. That's why I ain't posted nothing. I was on Third Watch. Oh my God, I was struggling bro.
Speaker 1:I got you, I watch, oh my god, I was struggling, bro, I got you.
Speaker 7:So, um, I told him about the street interviews. Yeah, that's like one of the main I'm trying to do. I'm trying to start doing that uh hitting up like the malls and stuff like that, just asking people what their perception is on police, and not tell them who I am. Let them get they, get they get their opinion off, and then I'll say who I am. Okay, just to have uh bring people back to like a, a position of reason. That's my main thing okay.
Speaker 1:So, trey, um, do you have an email or anything um that you want to put out now so people can start sending you questions that they want you to ask the public?
Speaker 7:that would be kind of a cool interaction thing uh, just dm me on instagram, that's probably like the quickest way. I'll check that every day okay.
Speaker 1:So if you guys go to the two cops one donut website two cops, one donutcom, find trey's bio in the bio right there. We have all his links and you'll be able to hit him up on his social media if you got questions that you want him to ask the general public. Um, yeah, highlight that one right there. Uh, I want to give a shout out to uh brand r 86. He became a member uh baker's dozen level. Uh, two cops went on it humbly. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:What we do uh on here uh is only able to be done because of people like you that help directly support the show. So thank you very much on behalf of all of us on the panel. The ultimate goal, guys, is to get money to every single buddy, every single buddy, every single person on this panel, so they can put that towards their bills on what they do. Because Matt has to use editing software and everything that he does and his internet bill and whatnot, to help put out the content he does. Same thing for Trey, same thing for banning. We're not looking to make money. I'm just looking to cover our bills for what we're trying to do. Um, because every single one of us on the panel have been going in debt to support a cause we believe in.
Speaker 2:My mind's cause. There's blonde standing right here.
Speaker 1:Oh, show her off. Come on, there's a blonde standing right here.
Speaker 4:Uh-oh, show her off. Come on, ma'am, get over here, let's see Two seconds Life's about family.
Speaker 7:There she is. What's her name?
Speaker 2:Danille the Legend oh, that's her on your shirt.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 10:I'm sitting here thinking it's like a singing group or something that I don't know about that's mama.
Speaker 12:No, I bought this for him for Christmas. Do you like it?
Speaker 1:That is hilarious because when we went to the Dominican I just got back. Can she hear me? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we just got back. My wife, we went with family and friends from high school. Now our kids we haven't been able to go on a vacation for like 15 years because all of us had families. Well, we all got together. We all come from different states. We went to the Dominican together, our wives secretly behind our backs. They all got bathing suits with our faces all over them. My wife, their wives all had our faces all over their bodies Hilarious. I would not do that to my wife.
Speaker 2:Don't give her ideas man.
Speaker 1:We literally went around for like 20 minutes and hadn't noticed to the point where they're like, do you like my swimsuit? I'm like, yeah, it looks cute. And I'm looking at them like, is that my face? Yeah, hilarious. But no, she's's like I'm out, I'm getting out of here. Uh, ozark moon said hey, mrs matt, I love it. Uh, is it just me? Oh wait, I'm sorry, I'm going to the comments here. Uh, just me. Okay, I understand you have a mental disorder. Best of luck. I don't know who. Oh, just oh, they're talking. See, brother, that's the problem with having a weird name. Just me. What are you trying? I'm out of that. We're bridging that gap.
Speaker 4:We're bridging that gap. We're trying to we don't make any, you know, and just so people that may have this first time watching, we don't make money doing this. We're trying to combine our experience. We love the community, we took an oath. Some of us are active, some of us are retired. I'm retired, I can say that right now, barely retired.
Speaker 4:Well yeah, I'm about to become a reserve again because I do have some spare time that I can get back to the community, and when you're reserved in Texas, you're doing that. I don't want to say for free, but you're not getting paid by the department. You're being an auxiliary unit to go out there and help. So we're just trying to build that or bridge that gap to where we can truly give you what's on our minds when we watch these videos and give you our two cents about it. We want you all to be able to interject, give your opinions, like you all have been doing a great job tonight.
Speaker 4:None of y'all are going to be completely swayed, and we get that. That's not what this channel is about. We want your opinions on here, Eric. I want you to add to that, but that's just Banning's opinion on why we're doing this to begin with.
Speaker 1:So what I love the most about what we do. Mr Belfort said I joined to keep this thing going. These guys let us speak our minds and they take it like champs more fair and rational leos engaging with the public like this. This is the change. Thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:You get what we're trying to do mr billful, what's your size, by the way? Put it up there on the thing.
Speaker 1:Swole well um, but uh, to everybody out there um, what, what banning's getting to? And what I'm trying to put out there is like you guys keep me level. That's the only way I can really describe it. This is the problem with police work and this is full disclosure. We're in a fishbowl and when you've been in law enforcement for so long, you only see a law enforcement perspective. One of the things that I love about having y'all on here is it brings me back. I grew up in Flint, michigan. We weren't exactly fans of police Let me put it to you that way and I definitely wasn't the best kid growing up. So the whole premise of what you guys do and the way you guys present your stuff and tell us you keep us level, you bring me back to that baseline. I'm not hearing that fishbowl echo chamber. That is police work. So LEO, what is LEO? Law Enforcement Officer? So shout out to Tim. Tim just spotted us some money on our YouTube channel. He says here you go buy a donut. Tim Owens on YouTube also said pair care, oh I'm sorry. So there you go buy a donut. Tim Owens also gave us some support there.
Speaker 1:I was trying to highlight. Me and Alan are battling over the mouse. So this is a problem with a moderator and a guy that's been used to moderating the whole time by himself. I keep stepping on Alan's toes and that's my fault. But Tim Owens brother, appreciate you so much. You really are helping out what we do. Thank you so much for that. But yeah, that's what we got. I want to keep going with this video. We didn't even finish this video. It's the beauty of this. When do you got to go, matt? About five minutes. Okay, we'll finish this video. You can go if Banning can stay on. If he can't, I'm going to keep going tonight. I got the energy. I wasn't here for the last episode.
Speaker 4:Vegas is open 24 hours, brother. So you want to go all night, we'll go all night.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, bro, we're going to keep going tonight, guys.
Speaker 10:So let's fucking go. Shots fired, shots fired, don't touch the gun, it's unloaded. Suicide by cop oh pause it 94-40, officer in Bob's shoe.
Speaker 1:Did you hear what he said? The suspect it's unloaded.
Speaker 7:No, no, he said suicide by cop 94-40 officer in Bob's shoe.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go back, there you go.
Speaker 10:Shots fired, shots fired. Don't touch the gun, it's unloaded. Suicide by cop.
Speaker 1:Right there. Oh wow, that's his voice. He's the same.
Speaker 4:It's his voice. He's the same as unloaded. That's the first time I've heard that.
Speaker 1:I've never heard that before. Holy shit, Like he owned it, Like there's no question now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's Wow. That takes care of a lot of Investigation work right there. That made their job easier. Wow, that's unfortunate that he's that desperate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy. And, man, you guys tell me what you think. I don't think we need to watch any more of that. Hopefully they get to the medical aid and all that stuff. Here's what I want to get to on this with y'all is his mental distress here. How do we fix that? And I'm going to offer a suggestion that I just literally came up with while we're sitting here. I think part of the problem is is not understanding the arrest process and what goes into it and how the CJ system works, and I'll elaborate on what I mean on that.
Speaker 1:The unknown. I think that is a big problem for a lot of people, and this guy could have been in and out of the system. I don't know, maybe this is the first time he's ever been arrested and it's for something serious and he knows it. But that fear of the unknown and not knowing the process and not knowing what to expect, could we help fix that by creating some sort of training program in school? Now, I really hope this isn't overstepping, I apologize, I'm just brainstorming.
Speaker 1:Teaching kids hey, some of you will get arrested and this is what that process looks like. When you do get arrested, here's what to expect. This is what will happen, based on the severity of the crime. Here's normally what happens If you get arrested for something small, you'll be bonded out very quickly more than likely. If you get arrested for something small, you'll be bonded out very quickly, more than likely. If you get arrested for something big, you probably won't. This is what that looks like, and show them what the step-by-step thing is. Do you think that would help, or is that too far, matt? What do you think?
Speaker 2:Along them lines. I think that there's a lot of people with experience that can tell young people that my partner is a perfect example. Two of my partners one did nine years in the penitentiary, one did 30, that there's a lot. That's not the end of the road, that this is nothing we can't walk through. And even if you're going to walk through some horrible stages, you can come out. And it's not the end of the road, it's not worth your own life. But yeah, along those lines, education like this, just a reassuring, because that is the thing unknown.
Speaker 2:I've talked to people that they'll call me like panic. That thing in their life is over, over a deal, suspension ticket, hearing that they got to go that's how panicky people get because they don't know and that's mental torture. We all as cops know Every time you hear your lieutenant say, come to my office, that unknown terrifies you. We know that. So there's got to be a way that we can I like that thinking to educate and show people it's not the end of the world and it can trickle down not just with suicide but with like running and causing like high speed chases over petty stuff because you're afraid to get right, like it can.
Speaker 1:That's a good line of thinking. You think that, yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting at, is I? Because I think a lot of times it's the ignorance. And and when people hear me say ignorance like relax, all I mean is lack of knowledge, like some people get really bent out of shape about that word. Oh, you call me stupid. No, you just don't know.
Speaker 4:I'm ignorant about a lot of shit I've got a ton of ignorance on and I'm learning every day. I mean, I just turned 46 yesterday and I'm still learning like a child and I don't know why a grown man would get a throat tattoo. But you know like neither is my lieutenant it's just me like it doesn't you know jealous man because you can see my neck, obviously banning would be a tattoo artist's wet dream.
Speaker 1:All that real estate, jesus, all right. That milky white canvas they would have. Freaking love it. Oh shit, christian christian holsey appreciate. He said hello, can you react to the jacksonville sheriff officer involved shooting where a cop accidentally discharged a gun while removing? Oh yes, we have that queued up. I'm so glad you reminded me. Oh, you can't go yet, man, this is a good kind of damn it mama's giving me that. Look, all right, I'll let you go, my bad homie, uh so matt let everybody know where to find you.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna let matt peace out real quick, but yeah, so we're gonna get to that shooting uh, my youtube detective, matt thornton, my tiktok, believes the same thing.
Speaker 2:Mfbuorg is my organization. Um, hit me up anytime. I love doing this. I love the change that we're making're making because we hear about it every single day. I love our team. One cop, two donuts.
Speaker 1:I don't even know our name. Come on bro. One cop, two donuts Fuck it, I love donuts.
Speaker 2:Mama's putting stress on me. With that look she's giving me. I'm under pressure. She's like get off, man, I love the team that we got man and I really, really appreciate it. I'm going to be more available now, Hell yeah, brother Appreciate you.
Speaker 4:We appreciate you. God bless brother, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:Hit on 16. Hit on 16 every time.
Speaker 1:There you go, I'll let you know tomorrow when. All right, love y'all, see you later. All right, brother, take it easy. Hell, all right, love y'all, see you later. All right, brother, take it easy. Hell, yeah, there we go. All right, let me uh. Which video is this? Okay, I, I have it queued up. I just got to find it. Give me one second. I know I've got one of these. It's when they're. It might be one of the instagram videos. I'm sure that's. That's not it.
Speaker 4:That's not it I gotta get more water in my cup here.
Speaker 1:That's not water, my ass. Who are you trying to kid? It's smart water, carbonated, carbonated asshole. Um okay, I may. I may have lied. I thought I had that video queued up. Damn it, we can pull it up.
Speaker 4:We can pull it up yeah, we're gonna pull it up. We're gonna pull it because everybody's been asking about it.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm gonna find it all right, give me one second. What is it called again?
Speaker 4:I don't know, but make sure you get the video with fucking everything in it.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, I did have it pulled up. I was trying to show me I got it. I got it, guys. I got it. Share this tab instead. Why is it not sharing View what is happening? Give me a second here, guys. Alan, go ahead. Yeah, you got it, buddy. Alan's like quit taking my podcast.
Speaker 4:I'm just going to say, before you hit, play, man, I love our audience. Our audience has gotten amazing, especially since we got on here. We've got an amazing audience, man, and I love the interaction I love the ones that think they're going to rattle us.
Speaker 1:Like, keep challenging us, I love it. All you do is make us better. That's us. I love it. All you do is make us better, that's it. You just make us better. Because sometimes I read it and I'm like inside, I'm like fucking guy, shut up, like all right, how can I use my words? And then you help me figure out ways to use my words better.
Speaker 4:So you're making us better hey, mr, don't hit, play there, it is okay. So mr billfold just said this. I'm going to tell you something right now. It's about what. Two, three weeks ago Eric called me. We were just getting. We tried to touch base on the phone. So do Alan and I, and we all try to talk and we can. Eric is like dude. I was sick, I had food poisoning and Alan drove from a long distance all the way to Eric's house. They had a planned thing to get the studio, some work done. Eric was dying in his bedroom and Eric can tell it better, but I'm going to tell what Banning remembers and basically Alan busted his ass for several hours and Eric jokingly on his deathbed. But he felt like everybody knows what food poisons. I mean, it's horrible. And Eric wanted to present Alan just as a thank you gift here's a nice bottle of fill in the blank and he didn't even be able to get that to him because he's feeling such like shit and it's not like just an hour drive from where Alan lives.
Speaker 15:So this is from me to Alan from Erica to Alan.
Speaker 4:Thank you very much for what you do in the background. That is very. It's a blessing to have you here, brother. We appreciate what you do Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I I now I feel like a dick again. I forgot how much of an asshole I felt like before, Danny, but you just reminded me it wasn't for that I just want to highlight our man, eric.
Speaker 4:We know how much work you do on the side. We see all the reels. We know truly what your heart is here and to see this kind of come together each week on these live broadcasts are great. There's a lot of great live cop YouTubers out there. I don't know any of them that actually go live like we do with a captivating audience, and I think that's where we're a little different. We don't kick people off. We try to identify our knowledge, what that question is, and give you the answer the best that we can. It doesn't always win everybody over, but we're here to answer as many questions as we can.
Speaker 1:I agree. All right, sir, let's go ahead and play that beautiful bean footage. Biggie says that for me. Hell yeah, all right, shout out to Jacksonville Police. Although this is, I've seen this, so I have not seen this one. Oh, okay, beautiful.
Speaker 13:I won't say shit. Lower your windows, all of them. What's up my man? Hey, timmy, hey, you got a valid driver's license, proof of insurance, all that good stuff. He blew that red light. That light was yellow and turned red. When I went out there, it was red. When he blew it, it was yellow.
Speaker 11:Okay, hey, Banning, does it matter if they sit there and argue with you?
Speaker 4:To me, it doesn't, I'm not going to have, you know, we're not going to have court on the side of the road. If I'm confused, I'm not going to stop them, and that's the way I was the whole 21 years that I was in there. And I'm going to tell you how many times I've been to traffic court and that's zero. I'm not going to write somebody a ticket unless it's completely valid and just. Usually I have three or four things and I'm only writing them one. I'm not a big ticket writer. To begin with, it's going to have to be a school zone type of thing. I never have been a big ticket writer and I've never had my bosses come to me saying you need to write more tickets because that just didn't happen in the departments that I was in. Go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 13:I agree, I saw it. It was red, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, we got proof of insurance I'm going to pause it real quick. I love getting to the comments because it's really about the comments guys. So, um, brandar86 said with your talk about qualified immunity, don't fully abolish it. Change the coverage of damage. Police stations must have coverage for the officers. Every proven violation increases their premium and I think he had one and it comes out of their paychecks like doctors. So that's an idea. I'm not against that, it's not terrible.
Speaker 4:Well, there's always vicarious liability, and that's what people don't realize. So you have liability for the department, the department's going to be liable for every swinging police officer they have under their blanket, and then the vicarious liability falls onto each officer.
Speaker 4:More of that's going to be in the civil realm after the criminal is done. Either it's criminal or it's not. And then you're going to go to that civil side and we're going to bring that bank of professionals to come in here and explain it to everybody. But the vicarious liability personally aims at that officer to his retirement, any type of assets he owns, his family owns. That's where that opens up for vicarious liability. So people need to understand that as well qualified immunity is. If it's not qualified, then all that gets opened up and that qualification has to be there first.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, I. I think that um keep qualified immunity the way it is. Let the judge figure it out. If you qualify for it to begin with, um, but if he decides that you don't, well then there we go, because everybody's like go after the officer, guys, you're not going to get shit. Cops aren't rich. They've already got three divorces, a lot of them You're going to be splitting. The thing is is a lot of people think it's going to save taxpayer money. It's not. They're still going to sue the department. That's not going to change. They're still going to sue the department. That's not going to change. They're still going to sue the department and they're going to sue the cop. That's not going to deter the cop's activity necessarily. You're just going to get shittier and shittier officers down the line. That's just my thought.
Speaker 4:I've only had two divorces and three marriages.
Speaker 11:Hey, you still got time, I'm one of the freaks.
Speaker 1:I've been with the same woman since damn near seventh grade.
Speaker 11:See, I'm with you on that one, eric. Yeah, which is rare.
Speaker 1:It's rare for a military person or a police person You're 18 years old in the Marine Corps and you get a fancy dance club. Yeah, and you're 250 pounds of just pure Marine muscles and got all the big red you can have right. Yukon Cornelius over there.
Speaker 13:Just hang tight. You got anything crazy in the car. What do you got? You got a gun. Where's that? It's on you as long as you're cool. No man, I appreciate your honesty, that's awesome. Um, so you have a, you have concealed carry and all that good stuff. No, you don't. All right, you're not convicted. Feeling right, nothing, okay, all right. So what we're going to do is just for my safety, your safety, I'm going to have you step out. All right, fair enough, we're just going to remove the pistol from you?
Speaker 1:No, and then we're going to run your lives to make sure everything's good.
Speaker 1:No, I'm going to send you on your way. Amendment suck a dick. No, my man told you he had a weapon. Told you. Maybe he did or did not tell you where it's at, but at least he told you he had one and that it's on him. I don't have a crime other than you running the lights traffic offense. I do not need to disarm you. I don't need to disarm you. I'm in texas. Everybody's got a fucking gun. No, I don't. I. I hate when cops do this. I understand it for some. If I run the plate, I got some sort of violent offense or whatever. Hit warrant hit whatever. Cool. You pulled this dude over for running a light or running a stop sign, I don't remember which you're just inviting yourself for more problems when you do that Right?
Speaker 1:Hey, dude, I like how he started off. He did really good, okay, cool. Thank you for letting me know. Please just don't reach for it, and that's where it ends. That's where it ends. There's no need to disarm a citizen. That is their fucking right. A right isn't just something that's okay when it's convenient. It's a right. You have it when you're born Banning. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 4:We're already under a lot of problems here. Meaning that officer If I was that officer and I decided to state that out loud we're inviting problems he's told me he's got a gun. Hey, that's awesome, dude, let me get your driver's license proof. Venture in the state of Texasas. Boom, get that. Go back, conduct your business. He hasn't given me any other reason. It's the state of texas.
Speaker 4:I mean, I'm out in the middle of nowhere and hunting usa to where everybody. Oh, my god, I'm gonna get me a deer this weekend. I mean, that's right, that's where I patrolled after the last time and I love those guys, they're great guys and gals and I had 308s hanging up in the in the friggin back of the trucks. I mean you could go by some of the high schools up here and they had their hunting rifles hung up in their secured vehicles out in the parking lot. Uh, and it's and it's to 2024. At the time, the last time I was patrolling. It's, leave it, leave it there, it's friggin. The second amendment let them have their friggin firearm. They haven't given you any reason to to take it yet.
Speaker 11:So yeah, nobody says you have to go back to your car to to do anything you can use like come on well, well, I couldn't always do it at the same well, right, but there's other ways to run the traffic.
Speaker 1:Stop then back at your patrol unit you know, yeah, um, julianne reyes said cop thought that the car was stolen. If that's the case, he should have done a felony stop on this vehicle. I don't buy that shit for a second, even if, okay, let's say you're right, let's say he did think it was stolen. He fucked all of this up by doing this.
Speaker 4:This is not the protocol for a stolen vehicle and if we're wrong on that and there's some other news station that says you freaking shoot, shoot us the link at two cops, one donut and we'll we'll look at that. But yeah, we're telling you, with our experience right now, what he did is he made this action occur of whatever's going to happen next time?
Speaker 11:yeah, okay, could he? Could they have gotten him out of the vehicle but not disarmed him?
Speaker 4:could, could they have gotten him out of the vehicle and not disarmed?
Speaker 11:him. Yeah, I mean if he thought it was stolen yeah we're going to do this a whole different way.
Speaker 4:We're going to bring in more people if they're available but I'd rather keep him seated right.
Speaker 1:Keep eyes on him. He's in a good position.
Speaker 4:It's a traffic stop Right now. It's just a traffic stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is a position of advantage, and when we talked about earlier the known, I know he has a gun on him now, so I don't want him to get out of the car because it's only going to make it easier for him to access. So for me, I'm going to say, hey, stay seated. Do you have your ID on you? Okay, cool, I don't need it. Just tell me your name and date of birth because I'm going to run it old school and see what it comes back to. We'll confirm it hard later on if there's more to it.
Speaker 1:But if I'm just writing a citation for running, a light or a stop sign, that's all I need. I don't need all that crazy shit. There's light or a stop sign, that's all I need. I don't need all that crazy shit. There's no point. I'm gonna play it safe, relax, so, um, but like I said, I like how he handled it at the beginning, um, but I don't like the taking the gun off of people. I think you just invite yourself for some bs. And I've seen this video, not all of this. I saw the, the quick clip. Um, I haven't seen all this lead up, so, but I'm gonna keep hitting, play here just hang tight.
Speaker 13:Just do me a favor, low that window. Hey, he's got. Uh, he's very compliant. He does have a pistol on, so we're gonna take him out from that side, remove the pistol and we'll go from there, all right.
Speaker 1:He's being cool about it. Yeah, yeah, you're good, which I Okay. He's agreeing to it, which I don't have a problem with. If he's a willing participant of disarming him, cool, keep going. He got headphones on. Listen y'all. Stop wearing fucking headphones while you're driving. Don't wear airpods, earpods, whatever it is. If you're driving a motorcycle, don't have speakers in your helmet. You need to be able to hear emergency vehicles horn, honks horn honks all that shit like.
Speaker 1:I've even gotten to the point where I don't run a jog. I like to run, I'm a runner. I don't like to run with headphones in anymore earphones, ipods, airpods, whatever I don't run with those anymore. I don't like to run, I drive. You definitely don't like to run. You like to run to the buffet? That's about it.
Speaker 4:There's a lot of them out here I'm going to go hit one tomorrow.
Speaker 13:I appreciate you being very honest. Oh shit, you okay.
Speaker 1:That happened faster than I was ready for. I want to go back? All right, get out. I didn't realize it happened that quick. Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 13:I appreciate you man being very honest. You Shit.
Speaker 10:You're going to face.
Speaker 13:Put it down, you okay.
Speaker 1:She put the gun down.
Speaker 13:Yes, I'm awake. Risk is at 68. It was her face. She put the gun down. It was her gun no.
Speaker 4:The one she pulled from him.
Speaker 1:Tourniquet the dude. I mean it doesn't appear to be like it's in a femoral, which is the main artery in the leg, but you can't take a chance.
Speaker 4:I'm not aware where that round is sitting, if it was a pass-through or if it's not. And that's the whole thing is. Get that freaking tourniquet on there, get the ambulance there. You've got to react now Freaking. I can't believe that. See bottom line. What the hell are we doing removing the weapon Is? See bottom line. What the what the hell are we doing removing the weapon? Is it their policy? Florida, florida, cops, if you're on here, are you guys doing this? If you're, if you are, fucking, stop, don't you know, unless they give you a reason to do that, holy shit yeah, um.
Speaker 4:So this is real. She shot him off, so she shot him. So is it correct that she shot him with her fire, her fire. Okay, let me go back.
Speaker 1:Let me go back. I'm assuming we're going to get different angles here. Okay, cool. Yeah, we are. I'm going to go back. I want to. I must have seen it wrong. Why would her gun be out?
Speaker 13:No, that wasn't her gun.
Speaker 4:So she used his.
Speaker 1:She grabbed it. Yeah, wasn't her gun so she used his. She grabbed it. Yeah, let me go back here. She grabbed that. Look her guns in the holster. That's her mag to her weapon. Appreciate, you can see her. She is holstered. So she, like I said, she shot him with his own firearm that was in his pocket.
Speaker 13:I mean the one thing I will say you okay, put the gun down, put it down.
Speaker 1:Boys put that fucking thing down.
Speaker 11:Well, and that's the one thing I will say that you know there's a lot of times when we come across guns that we're, you know, very cautious in handling them, because you know there's a lot of times when we come across guns that we're, you know, very cautious in handling them, because you know our guns have to be done with a licensed firearms you know person that you know is an armor. We don't know what's been tampered with on somebody's gun that we pull out things like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So we're going to continue. I would say from here obviously we got to do medical attention to that guy, got to get it out, okay.
Speaker 4:Reaction she's done, fired this is Fired as a cop For sure. Yes, at the least Fired this is Fired for sure. Yes, at the least Fired Criminal charges. No, I don't think that was her intention.
Speaker 1:I think she fucked up. That was an accident.
Speaker 4:We're not hammering on a female. This is not. This is a police officer in general. If you're going to go disarm somebody, you better be damn well know how to keep your freaking finger straightened off the trigger right, right, yeah, and and this is the other part like again, was there a need to disarm?
Speaker 1:I don't think so I.
Speaker 4:This is one of the reasons I'm running a fucking red light unless there's something behind the story that we don't know about yeah, so I I'm um, I don't like the 2004 tahoe. I'm sure he's driving a 2025 escalator right now in a really nice house and I hope he pulled through okay, because holy shit yeah yeah, so um one second, but uh, yeah, so we're gonna keep going.
Speaker 1:I think we're gonna get some different views. One second, but yeah, so we're going to keep going. I think we're going to get some different views.
Speaker 13:Yes, John, like Rescue 10-68. Rescue 10-68. 10-20.
Speaker 1:I'm with you, Jim Miner. Male or female, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 13:Good on the officers just trying to help him out. Jesus Christ, where's your pistol at On my side, oh good, so put your hands on the top of the gun. It's not even in a pocket, it's in a holster.
Speaker 4:That is the most compliant friggin' traffic spot guy right there.
Speaker 13:God damn, put the gun down. Put the gun down, you okay? Hey, rescue 1068,. Let's go Rescue 1068, hey68. Let's go Rescue 10-68.
Speaker 4:Hey man, walk with me, walk with me.
Speaker 1:Julianne raised that she was just fired.
Speaker 13:Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down.
Speaker 1:Jesus, my man's going to get a hefty payout, I hope.
Speaker 4:You better be living hard.
Speaker 1:Here's the deal.
Speaker 4:Did she intend to do that? No, is there, is there? Is there a criminal action that needs to be done? You know what? I think it needs to be looked into. Let's let's look at how she was trained. Was she?
Speaker 4:was it check the box, like a lot of big departments there's a lot of big departments that are amazing, that do do amazing training, but there's something big departments that are just getting by, right, and yeah, and I think if it's a get in the buy situation, then I think we we may be looking at neglectful action here yeah, you may have found a gap in training, something that could be improved upon um many places, but especially wherever they're at um.
Speaker 1:Do I think that? Like I said, do I think she had some sort of malicious intent? No, I think she fucked up um and then, like mr billfold was saying, you know, uh, she didn't do anything afterwards.
Speaker 11:I I actually kind of agree with her not doing anything, like you've had enough, get the fuck out of here, like well and there's also the fact of all the shock that just hit her too, like I'm glad there's other people there to handle it, because if all that happens by herself, like you know, she already didn't know how to handle it, so it would have just gotten worse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like she's, like I'm, I'm of the. She shouldn't like. There's a lot of careers for you.
Speaker 4:Police work Isn't one anymore I'm nowhere near perfect, but with the military training, the Marine Corps and then coming in and just even just basic law enforcement training. Somebody wrote on there. You know, keep your booger finger off the freaking bang switch bang switch. Yeah, you know, that's absolutely true.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, yeah, now, now let me put it to you guys this way I'm a. I think I'm a cocky son of a bitch. I'm a great cop. I think I'm a good cop. If I did that, bye, yep. I shouldn't be a cop anywhere else. I'm done. Law enforcement is done for me. It's just what it is. It is what it is, even if I didn't mean it. It doesn't matter. The career is done. I fucked up. That is not a comeback story. I can't come back from that one.
Speaker 4:I don't know if his significant other was in the car or what his situation is, but that phone call from the hospital hey, can you come up here and visit me? Well, what happened? Well, I got stopped for running red light and cops shot me with my own gun while they were disarming me, for before they were going to decide whether or not they're going to write me a citation, yeah, marines blood said uh, true shock probably would have made it worse.
Speaker 1:She was in such shock that she didn't put the the gun down and could have accidentally shot it again. I agree you could see it on her face. Anybody that's been around traumatic experiences and stuff like you can read it like she was. She was lost in the sauce. She didn't know what to do. I'm glad that that officer recognized it immediately and told her to put the gun down like that was a good move. He did a good thing. So, um, mr billful, fuck off.
Speaker 11:I found this one I had it all cued I just couldn't find it.
Speaker 1:And he found it. Um. Harrison brock said eric, if you did that, you would lose both your jobs. Yes, I would. And he found it. Harrison Brock said Eric, if you did that, you would lose both your jobs. Yes, I would.
Speaker 11:You would still have Donut Maker, come on.
Speaker 1:Right yeah. I would be booted out of the military and I would be booted out of the police department. Two civilians.
Speaker 4:police brought pillies by my donut. Yeah, yeah. Tim.
Speaker 1:Owens said incompetence. Yeah, absolutely, I mean you can't. There's no way to sugarcoat that you fucked up.
Speaker 11:I mean, we spend a considerable amount of time in the academy even if you've never handled a firearm on how to handle a firearm, handled a firearm on how to handle a firearm and rule number one is unless there was a malfunction to that firearm and she's been fired, so I don't think there was right. You learn where your fingers go and where they don't.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like I had a good department is going to take that firearm. They're going to take it. Their frigging armor is going to look at it under video. They're going to look at the trigger pull. They're going to look at the pound squeeze under video. They're gonna look at the trigger pull.
Speaker 4:They're gonna look at the pound per squeeze, and I don't care if that is a quarter pound custom trigger. You sneeze on it, it goes off. Bottom line is that finger touched it and we don't put our finger on the trigger unless we intend to destroy something period kiss my ass, eye of the night man, I got the fans buddy son of a bitch you go on vacation and this is what you get.
Speaker 11:I know right.
Speaker 1:Mama G said Eric, yet would you have kept the cop in the first clip? Help me out, guys. I don't remember which one she's talking about.
Speaker 4:She said thanks, eric, for co-hosting.
Speaker 11:Well, the first clip would have been slapping somebody. Which one? The first clip was slapping some dude laying in a bed. No, the first clip was slapping some dude laying in a bed.
Speaker 1:No, no, I wouldn't have kept those. They should have been fired and put in jail just like they were. Alan is responsible for TCOD. Greatness, eric, you just make the donuts.
Speaker 4:Eric just throws the sprinkles on them.
Speaker 1:Tim Eric is weird. All of his donuts are cream filled. Don't ask what the fuck is going on today. All of a sudden I go on vacation.
Speaker 4:I come back and I'm the asshole. They're just showing you the love brother.
Speaker 11:Hey, that's what happens when you become a sergeant, bro, I know.
Speaker 1:Son of a bitch. Eric, you should read the IA report. I should read the IA report. Oh man, what if Eric makes a man banning eats them Damn. You know what Alan you? Son of a bitch. What'd you do you?
Speaker 11:voodooed everybody. Hey, we had a great show last week. I know we did. Vaughn was just running the show. All we had to do was sit there.
Speaker 4:Vaughn's watching this right now. He's like take that, eric.
Speaker 11:He's like I thought I taught y'all about carbs.
Speaker 1:Right. I said, hey, I've done production for streams before. I know how rough it is dealing with the goobers on camera. Listen, I have been doing this. Alan just started doing it. I did everything. It was hard it was hard. Look at me getting defensive. You got me riled up. Everybody talks about me being a cop, but I don't get riled up at all. You start messing with my production skills. I get pissed off. It's so funny Listen listen, you're right.
Speaker 1:Alan is the is is the magic behind the scenes? I'll, I'll see that. Eric, your only way out is to become an LT. Hey, when the chance happens, I will be going for it. Vaughn made me all tingly with his four signs, bro Vaughn, that's our second time having Vaughn on and I'm so mad that it was on an episode I wasn't here for, because I love Vaughn. Now, truth be known, guys, I am trying to make von officially a two cops, one donut person. So if you guys can put pressure on him, be like, fucking, do it, bro.
Speaker 4:So I want him to be, von can be one of the guys in the whole qualified immunity conversation yes, that's who I'm trying to get.
Speaker 1:That's my guy that I want. He is my qualified immunity person and I have some other anti-qualified immunity people that I want him to like go against. I'm just gonna sit there and be like looking back and forth, like yeah yeah yeah, because, uh, I'm not an expert like and and I gotta get some pong to play during that.
Speaker 1:Yes, right how do I slow mo on a video? Air shut up. Shut up, man. Fuck you too. I love banning, but his voice makes me slip into a serene coma. Hey, that's a that's. That's a pg way of saying what his voice does to me. I want him to read every smutty novel I've ever heard of banning. Can you read 50 shades of gray to me? All right, let me get into this video. Let's keep going.
Speaker 13:He's very compliant. He does have a pistol on.
Speaker 1:Nobody's worked up. I don't see a body language of people that are worked up. I like what I see for body language.
Speaker 4:Where's your pistol at Almost there?
Speaker 13:He keeps his hands up.
Speaker 1:He's got it in the waist and hold.
Speaker 13:Saw that going back. So here's. I appreciate that, oh yeah, oh shit.
Speaker 1:You. Okay, I'm all mad. I'm trying to pause it. Oh yeah, right there.
Speaker 11:Yep, look at that. Two fingers, two fingers, that is her.
Speaker 4:So think about this. I mean, her firearm is on her right hip. She's obviously right-handed. She's using her left hand to pull this gun out and this is not a defense to her, because she fucked up on this 100 from Sunday. If she's going to disarm somebody and I've done this mess up, I've never done this mess up I'm saying the awkwardness, and we also fire in training from our offhand if you're in a good department. But, however, if you're going to disarm somebody and it's a firearm you're not familiar with, it's probably a different model. Use your right hand, use all your fine motor skills so we can pull this out of there safely and conduct whatever that primary officer needs to get done. Do it safe yeah, great.
Speaker 11:Well, you noticed one thing that, um, when she started pulling it, the holster was coming to just leave it in the damn holster, like and then as an armor. The one thing that I noticed it's pretty impressive that the gun still went off, because if you limp aristoglock it's got a safety designed in it that it won't go off if you don't pull the trigger. Right, yeah, like there's a lot going on here that you know behind the scenes, that like wow, yeah, um to mama g.
Speaker 1:Yes, fired uh for sure for the one that uh trey had brought up. Yeah, fired um. End of the day. Your screw up that you're owning up to I appreciate it, but you gotta go like, is that something that I think is unfixable? No, I think that's very fixable. You fucked up. That's something that could be trained and learned and hopefully he improves. But you can't be a cop there anymore. Um, I and maybe not a cop anymore. Period, that's. That's for another department to decide. I'm not that person, for, personally, if you're coming to a department and I'm the chief, I'm like no, you can go be a cop somewhere else, but you can't be a cop here. That was too major of a fuck-up.
Speaker 11:I don't completely agree with this. One Another prime example why females shouldn't be in law enforcement. I have worked with many good female officers, and so I'm not going to agree with that. Nope, I might say that maybe she was less trained in firearms and didn't understand how to handle the situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I will say and this is a shout-out to Angie Mapes, one of the females that I worked with. She was a corporal. I was an officer, had a guy coming at me that I didn't see. I was dealing with another person and Angie all five foot six of her maybe five foot four she's not a tall girl at all, but fierce was able to hook with her elbow the guy who was about to pay make me that I didn't see she hooked his arm, slammed him up against the wall and was able to keep body pressure on her, on him, long enough while another officer was coming over. And not only was she able to physically be able to help me, but she was also able, in several other cases or calls that I was on, was able to help me in my line of questioning on people like improve. She taught me how to question people better. So I firsthand knowledge of awesome female police officers. So no, I am not the person that thinks.
Speaker 4:For everyone that says that there's a female officer out there, all they don't need to be. Here's the thing. I know just as many male cops that have no frigging business.
Speaker 4:That's where I was going to go to work and I didn't mean to interrupt you, but it's literally, I wake up every day with so many messages on LinkedIn and and it's a lot of them oh man, you have so-and-so is saying this about female officers I don't give a shit what your, what your sex is, your male or female if you go out there and do the freaking job, go do it. It's not the easiest job in the world, you're never gonna get rich doing it, but go do it. And if you're a male and you're out there, you are very just as responsible to have that physical force when needed to get out of something that's bad, that's gonna hurt you or somebody else yep, I agree, I've had, uh, you know, plenty of I'm and, and I've actually made some shorts and reels out of videos that I have said.
Speaker 1:This is why I believe every cop should be a blue belt in jujitsu before they hit the streets. If you want to like, you want to require officers that have a four-year degree? Okay, fine, I would rather have you hire a person that was a bartender for five years and took a year, two years, of jujitsu. That's the guy I want. I could give a shit less about. I have a master's degree. I have a dual master's degree.
Speaker 1:You know how much that improved me in the streets? Zero, all it provided me was perspective and opportunity. That's it Within my department. Having the degree puts me above other people because I got a piece of paper, but as far as giving me skill in the street, it did not, and it's a criminal justice and criminology degree. They didn't help me in the street. They didn't make me a better cop, but I tell you, what does make better cops?
Speaker 1:Social skills, people that know how to talk to people. You know who knows how to talk to people Bartenders, door guys, waiters, waitresses, people that work in retail. They know how to talk to people. I would much rather you be a person that worked in those places and took two years of jiu-jitsu, or a solid six months to a year, like going three to six days a week. I'm with that. Andy Fletcher said Izzo is right, izzo is very anti. We've had Izzo on here quite a few times. Me and Izzo are friends. We agree on a lot of things, but we also disagree on a few things, and we disagree here.
Speaker 4:But also Izzo's reached out when you know female cops were done wrong. I mean you know he, he has made me, you know, maybe made that comment on some stuff, but Eric and I both know he reigned us in on a message or like hey, this, this, this officer, from whatever agency, was unjustly terminated. So I truly believe, and as is mine, that it's if they can't do the job physically, any female is welcome 100%, any male is welcome 100%, as long as you can do that job physically, period.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Eric. Would you hire a JP for the United States Air Force? I don't A JP. What's a JP for the United States Air Force? I don't A JP. What's a JP Justice? Of the Peace. I don't know what a JP is. Explain Harrison.
Speaker 11:Earlier Mr Billfold asked the question about would this go in her collar and so in Texas? If you are fired in the state of Texas in the last legislation process, if you were fired as a police officer, it will go on your T Cole report and any agency that goes to hire this same officer in Texas. You have to do the background and do the check.
Speaker 1:And if you get caught not following those rules then your department loses their TCO license. Country girl I call BS. It's only because you guys can't function around tits. I don't think she's talking to us?
Speaker 4:No, and every profession out there, anytime you have men and women working together, you may have some issues and I've heard of some issues in law enforcement, but personally I've never seen that become an issue and it may be because I've worked in professional places. We actually had leadership, and I'm not talking about the last places I worked at. We didn't have any females that were working there, but I'm talking about the larger agencies I worked at. We had some really good leadership there. We never had that issue of females working with men.
Speaker 4:It was always co-ed, there was never any issue and everybody pulled their own weight, and there was a lot of amazing officers that I worked with.
Speaker 1:Now I'm about to fuck Mr Billfold up. He's in my realm now. So, mr Billfold, I just want you to know my father, who did 30 years of law enforcement, is a nationally ranked judo participant, currently in his 60s. So I learned a lot of judo growing up, did a lot of years of judo before I did jujitsu. I've been in law enforcement 18 years, been in the military as well. I'm still in.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of martial arts that I've taken Boxing, muay Thai, wrestling, jujitsu and wrestling. I'll give wrestling a little bit of credit and then catch wrestling, because my lieutenant is a huge catch wrestler and he would get mad if I didn't give it credit. But he says jujitsu is not the best for dealing with unknowns. A hip toss, a judo throw, is preferable to pulling guard in the street with a suspect. With all due respect, sir Jujitsu, every arrest that is noncompliant is going to go to the ground.
Speaker 1:Judo is great for getting you to the ground. Jujitsu uses judo to get people to the ground. It's not like it's its own thing. The same takedowns that were used in jiu-jitsu are the same takedowns that were pretty much taught in judo. However, judo is not the greatest for finishing on the ground where jiu-jitsu excels. So I would argue I would rather you have a base in jiu-Jitsu excels. So I would argue I would rather you have a base in Jiu-Jitsu, because it does do takedowns and it helps you get close to your opponent versus Judo. Judo's great, don't want to take away from it. If you have nothing and all you did was, and you took Judo you're in a good spot.
Speaker 4:So let me ask you this, eric, and I know where you work at and I know the amazingness that they do, but I'm talking about a countrywide question here and my whole thing is when I gathered my gals, guys and gals for training uh, you know, defensive tactics training my argument was is what you deploy with on the street when you're coming into a departmental? Organized training is what you're going to wear in training. Do you agree or do you disagree?
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Give me an example.
Speaker 4:So if you're wearing a full-duty belt and outer inner carrier, your boots your pants, and if you're going there for training, are you going full on, and I understand that the injury rate rises and you only have to use this when it's a use of force. But are you at least learning these moves on a padded mat with your gear on or the majority of your gear on, so you understand what the feeling is? I believe you need to wear it and I've never, asked you that I'm just curious and I
Speaker 4:think I know your answer is going to be but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so where I am at, obviously I can't disclose, but it's not that hard to figure out y'all. And I will ask my chat to do me a favor. I had somebody recently on YouTube trying to blast where I work. Listen, I have to keep the two separate. So if I see it, I am going to delete it. It's not that I'm trying to hide it. Yes, I am going to delete it. It's not that I'm trying to hide it. Yes, I am trying to hide it. It's just I can't have it, you're following policy.
Speaker 4:You're just following policy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just following policy y'all. I'm not trying to get in trouble or do anything, and I follow it pretty well. Actually I follow it very well. I've been doing this four years now. So just know, if you're sitting there and you're going to blast out, oh he works here, he works here. I'm going to block you. Like, please don't do that. We have a good thing going and I don't want to cause any undue attention to my department. So that's why we keep it separate. But to your point, banning, yes, in where I train and where I work, that is how we train our recruits. They have to have their gear on. And where I work, that is how we train our recruits. They have to have their gear on. They have to understand how to move on the ground and while standing with their gear on, because you need to train like you fight and fight like you train.
Speaker 4:And in reference to that comment that's on the screen right now cops never go hands-on anymore. They always use their tools instead. Ryan, I don't know you. You don't know me.
Speaker 4:I was a cop for 21 years and unfortunately I don't know you don't know me I was a cop for 21 years and unfortunately I've had a lot of face-to-face stuff to where we've had to take somebody into custody. And I've carried a taser. We were one of the first agencies in the state of Texas to carry one. It was called a beta test before it was issued to everybody and I have still, to this day, never deployed probes on anybody. And I have still, to this day, never deployed probes on anybody. I tried to use my mind, my heart, speaking ability and grip strength and everything else and just taking somebody to the ground because I knew what was going to happen on that. So I've never used the tools on the tool belt unless it was a deadly force situation. Obviously it was different, but I've never deployed a taser.
Speaker 4:I've sprayed oc spray on a lot of dogs and tried to eat my lunch in the middle of the night, uh, with a, with a failed animal control in the region. Uh, because we've had to do that, because and it was after literally getting bit. You know, I don't want to shoot a dog. I was a canine handler for years. I love animals, you know. If a dog is going after somebody else it's a different story than how much do you love animals? Oh, dude, well, I just, I love. I love dogs a lot. You know, cats bother the hell out of me. My wife feeds stray cats every day, so I have to deal with when I walk out of the house. When I say stray cats, it's like two of them yeah, it's corners of the property or whatever, and they don't bother me.
Speaker 4:But they do try to get me to pet them and I just you know me and cats only because my allergies I don't, uh, I don't pet the cats yeah um, mr bill fold.
Speaker 1:He said a judo throw puts them down, usually knocks the breath out. I worked security 14 years becoming a weller, had enough hands-on experience and i't disagree. I love judo takedowns, you know, I love me a goody-pone if you know what I'm saying. But the judo throws are wonderful, but in police work you have to finish Got to follow up with handcuffing. If I'm throwing you like if I'm tossing you to the ground, I got to put you in cuffs. Or if I don't have the ability to put you in cuffs because I'm alone and you're a bigger person, I got you to the ground, great. Now I got to put you in a position that you're going to stay in, you know, subdued, without you know throwing strikes or worrying about losing control.
Speaker 1:Judo's only got a couple things. They really they're really big into arm bars and they're really big into, you know, omoplata and stuff like that. But other than that, they really don't help you. Now, trust me, I'm, I'm a gracie survival tactics instructor. Uh, I'm, I'll probably be a lifelong purple belt in jiu jitsu. I've got the knowledge of a black belt, but the inconsistency.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but that's the next belt there, right, is it not?
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Purple brown black. Purple brown black. I wasn't sure that was. Yeah, I've been a purple belt before Purple is a reputable frigging belt dude. So I wouldn't. I would be happy that you're a purple belt. So yeah, um constitutional country girl said mr b and ellie, you can't legally just strike.
Speaker 11:what are we talking about? Um, so when you're talking about having to do a hip throw and finish, they're saying you can't just make the strike and not, you know, finish up with taking them down Depends.
Speaker 1:That's not true. Necessarily I can throw a strike. I mean, if we're fighting I can throw strikes. It just depends on your department. Where I'm at, yeah, I can throw strikes. I can throw close fist strikes, I can throw elbows, knees. Just depends, really depends on what we're talking about. Let me see here I'm looking through the comments. Mr Belford said to Country Girl never claimed that a strike was on the table.
Speaker 1:Eye of the Night said I stated previously, japanese cops use several martial arts to train regularly with them. Yes, they do. One of the biggest issues, I think, is the lack of available training. I know many have gone on paid extern. It's okay, that's almost enough to wash away the air Shut up. So yes, japanese cops absolutely badasses and they do train. That is something if we want to talk about improving training guys I'm going to let me stop sharing this one for a minute. If we're going to talk about improving training and all of that, I'm with you guys.
Speaker 1:I think that departments should be paying for officers to have this type of training, if not providing it themselves. Most departments can't provide it themselves. Where I'm at, they actually every Tuesday and Thursday at our police academy. They've got jujitsu going on at the academy it's at lunchtime. Now if you work midnights, that doesn't really help you, which sucks, but it's an option. It's a free option and it's other officers that are black belts training our cops in how to do it.
Speaker 1:So I definitely think that if you can't get it through your department, you should regardless if your department's willing to pay for it or not pay for it yourself. I'd pay for my own training. Do I think departments should pay for it? Yes, absolutely, but that's the reality. That's not what's happening. So until then, I think you should be paying for it yourself. You need to get to that level If you're going to do this profession and take it seriously. You're going to get in a fight. You need to be ready. You are much more likely to get in a fight than you are going to be to use your firearm Yep, and you train a fuck ton with your firearm. You need to be training even more for a grappling situation, because every noncompliant arrest goes to the ground and just as much as you're training on that.
Speaker 4:I'm just walking into this because I disappeared for a second but you got to work on your freaking communication skills and I know, eric, and I talk about this a lot but if you, if you've got shit communication skills and you're just a dick with a badge, you're going to get them to a lot of conversation. You're going to get into a lot of bar fights. If you can't communicate and you're just, oh, by God, you can't, you're going to be in a lot of fights. You've got to be able to speak as a reasonable person if you're going to have a bad job and that's one of my things is, if I'm sitting on a hiring board and we have some dipshit come in and sit down and he is all high as mighty and by God, you're not going to. We're going to go out there and we're going to kill. You know crim criminals are done and we're going to put a rest a lot more. So you do, you get no time for you. You're not going to be good for this community.
Speaker 1:We got some good comments here. I want to get to all of these. Tim said our local cops here can't afford gas half the time, let alone classes Fair. Now imagine this you get rid of qualified immunity and you're going to sue them. You're not going to get anything, dude. You can't make a broke dude go more broke. Most cops are living paycheck to paycheck. I'm fortunate where I'm at great pay. So you come at us with taking away qualified immunity. I'm like fuck, I'm done. I'm not trying to risk any of that.
Speaker 4:Where I come from. I always got those Lone Star applications in the mail. They're like, do you want to? Because it wasn't a good thing. I loved what I do Now. On top of that, the department the medium-sized one in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex that I retired in that was a great pay and even when I left it even got better. So I'm glad that those guys are even getting paid more, but it's a good paying agency now.
Speaker 1:So brandar 86 said with police. I think it should be a college route prior to joining the academy criminal justice degree or something with required study in law at the very least. I think this is where we're going to clash a little bit. Brandar, as I said earlier, I would rather you have been a bartender for the last three to five years and done a little bit of jiu-jitsu or judo or some sort of grappling martial art, because then you're going to have social skills, you're going to be able to talk to people and you're going to know how to handle yourself, versus going to college taking, let's face it, at least two years of shit that has nothing to do with police work, because I I've got my master's. Uh, you guys have done some college. I don't know how far you guys got in it, but like you have to take all these prereqs that have nothing to do with anything police work-wise.
Speaker 4:I grew up in a lot of universities, man, I'm sure I do a lot of questions.
Speaker 1:So that's my point, this pressure to go to college. There's other things that I think are far more valuable.
Speaker 11:I've got a lot of debt from it.
Speaker 1:Right. So like emotional intelligence, yep, that's another thing, that's another leadership courses, things like that. They don't teach that in college, which is crazy to me.
Speaker 11:The only thing it really taught me was truly how to write to my instructor's opinion. You know you'd turn in your first assignment and figure out oh, they're not gonna accept that kind of conversation from me, so I'm gonna have to write it in a different way.
Speaker 1:You want to improve policing? A simple fix Don't let people become cops until they're 25. That's a simple fix. I can agree with that. Now it pains me to say because I can tell you right now, fucking Eric Levine at 18 would have told you at 18 he was ready to be a cop.
Speaker 4:I'm in the military and by God I can have a drink. No, do not give me a drink at 18. Right Period.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 1:So, I'm not a fan of the college thing. I don't think that makes you a better cop. I think social skills makes you the best cop. I think having grappling skills makes you a safer cop Not safer just for the cop. I think social skills makes you the best cop. I think having grappling skills makes you a safer cop Not safer just for the cop, safer for the people, safer for the bad guy, which is a weird concept to people that don't understand. I've been grappling and doing martial arts my entire life. Boxing's been my latest thing. You know how many uses of forces I've been in for me. Now you tell me why that is. Am I the luckiest son of a bitch there is, or is there a reason behind it? I work at a city that has 70 calls holding. When I get on shift in my side of town there's 1.2 million people at a max time, usually in the city I'm in.
Speaker 4:Well, here's what you know. We're all together on this show because we agree and disagree on stuff, and that's what makes it so amazing. So when you say you've never been on any use of forces, that's obviously under review, because you've been on a felony traffic stop, I'm assuming, probably more than one month.
Speaker 1:Okay, maybe I misworded and I have never been in a use of force. That has been me. I've helped out on a lot of officers that have been in use of forces it's, but it's never been my call, me going going there and me being like blah, blah, blah, like it's always been a combination of somebody else's call and having to help that way and that's why I brought that up, because, I mean, eric has been in the yes, we're all.
Speaker 4:As a patrol person in an agency, you're going to get involved with what's called a felony traffic stop. In an agency, you're going to get involved with what's called a felony traffic stop. And usually.
Speaker 4:I'd say 99.9% of the officers on there are going to what's called break leather and they've got to pull that gun up and they've got to aim in the direction of that subject suspect vehicle direction Right and that is technically a use of force. So I want you guys to understand what Eric is saying. He's never been the one that's been the single person that's directed the use of force. So I want you guys to understand on what Eric is saying.
Speaker 4:He's never been the one that's been the single person that's directed the use of force yeah, physical, yes of use of, you know, under review. So that's a big, big difference because all law enforcement across the country, unless I'm just a dipshit and I don't know anything but from what.
Speaker 4:I'm hearing is they all go through felony traffic stops and I think the people in the comments will agree that's a use of force. If we're back here as a peace officer and we break leather on a car because it is reported as stolen in the system and I'm talking about one that we actually that's the car, that's the one that's stolen, we got into a pursuit with it or whatnot. Now it's the end of it and we're we're taking the driver into custody and investigating what's going on. Yeah, that's a force, I mean, and anybody that says that's not a use of force is frigging nuts. Yeah, we're having you know, because if somebody were to start shooting, we're already there using a use of force to to end that threat. And the last, the last thing we want to do as a peace officer, but that is technically, or we're.
Speaker 4:We're clearing a building and we go in there and we find, because the alarm's going off, and then we find an employee that didn't. He's a new employee. The alarm code changed and we find him in the back of the room and he's in plain clothes. He's not the uniform of the day for that, for that specific company. Hey man, let me see your hands. Blah, blah, blah, blah real quickly. I hey man, let me see your hands. Blah, blah, blah, blah real quickly. I'm an employee. Oh my God, I came up here to take out the garbage. I forgot, and it's the guy that works there and now you've got, unfortunately some.
Speaker 4:I mean I've had guys urinate themselves. I know if I was just a guy coming to do a business and I'm going in there because I forgot to do something. I didn't do the alarm right and the cops came and I got Dude. If somebody's pointing a gun at me, I'm human. If you release something like that, so I'm not saying that that's a weak person, so understand that. But that is also a use of force. So we understand that as a panel and I want you guys to understand that, because we can talk all day long what use of force is and what it isn't, but what Eric is saying is 100% true and to be able to say that is really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, country Girl said. First question on LE app should be were you ever bullied? If the answer is yes, explain how it impacted you and how you handled it. Now, this is part of my problem and you're bringing up some deep stuff here, country Girl. One of the things that we have talked about loosely on the show several times is the hiring process. There's a lot of things that we have. One of my biggest problems is there is no standard for social skills and that is one of the biggest problems we have in hiring standards for law enforcement. Because you have all these things. You've got a physical requirement, you've got a mental health check requirement, or what's another word for it Banning that. They do A psyche valve.
Speaker 4:A psyche valve polygraph. I mean they're going in, they're trying to make sure that you got a beating heart and you're a reasonable and prudent person is the bottom line, and you can be a decision maker without any other underlying causes or facts in your background and they rear its ugly head and you make a wrong decision. I mean that's right, the best yeah, later stenson, appreciate your brother.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, uh.
Speaker 1:So in the hiring process one of my biggest problems with the hiring process for police is they yes, they do a credit check, they do a lot of all of these things criminal check, psych eval, physical fitness, mental health, social skills. That is the biggest problem when it comes to cops that fuck up, that I see the inability to talk to people and the inability to see social cues. To see social cues where you see somebody has a mental health issue that you're going to deal with and you treat them like a suspect in a shooting versus a person that's having a mental health crisis. So you know, you see these crisis intervention trainings and all of these things that they're doing for people. Well, guess what, guys, all the crisis intervention training in the world ain't going to make a difference if that person doesn't have the social skills to pick, pick up on the cues that you see in those things. And I don't know how to train that. I don't know how to train that people have it or they don't. That's how I've seen it. It doesn't mean I'm right.
Speaker 11:I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I think it's drastically changed over the years too, and the way that we have taught everything is behind the screen and all those different type of things. They don't know how to hold a conversation. My nine-year-old gets in the car and I'm like, hey, how was school today? It was fine. No, I need a few more words than that from you. And it's kind of. He's already asking for an iPhone and I'm like, dude, first off, you're nine. Well, other kids in my class have it, yeah, but their parents don't know what I know about using a phone, and I worked in a school for a very long time. I know what you can do and what you know. We're not going to do that. But they don't know how to hold a conversation. They think an emoji is explaining their feelings, and that's just not how it is.
Speaker 1:I remember thinking I was cool because I could spell out boobs on a calculator upside down Boo-bless, boo-bless, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead now. Be blessed.
Speaker 10:Be blessed yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah yeah, All right let's segue for one second, because Skylar Ford asked a good question earlier and, Eric, you had made the comment of do you mean JP? Answer yourself. So he said I probably meant PJ.
Speaker 1:So he's talking about Air Force PJs? Oh, the PJs pararescue.
Speaker 4:So let's answer that. I mean you're the qualified one to answer this. Oh, the PJs pararescue. So let's answer that. I mean you're the qualified one to answer this.
Speaker 1:Oh, would I like to have PJs as cops Fuck yes. Good lord, listen, if you guys don't know what pararescue are, that's the Navy SEALs of the Air Force. They go around with every special forces group that's out there. They all want them. They are the combat doctors of the field. That is what you want. Could I have ever been a pj? No, I know my limitations. I'm not smart enough and I didn't have the motivation to do it it looks like it came from.
Speaker 4:So, skylar, if you're still listening, I hope that answers your question. Looks like you're. You're. You're a texas, texas State Trooper from your comment on there. Absolutely, brother. I think that would be an outstanding qualification and if that's what you did in a previous life, thank you for what you did.
Speaker 1:If you just know your friends who did it.
Speaker 4:thank them for what they did. I know some guys that are cops now, that are former PJs, and they usually got a go bag in there that rivals everybody else and I want them on the scene. If we got a bad scene, these guys can doctor it up real quick a lot better than some medics. Man, I mean, these guys are freaking fantastic.
Speaker 1:PJs are Jesus man. Listen, I know the chair force earns its reputation. I'm not even going to play and I'm a security forces member. I'm, which just means I'm a military cop. Don't let the. When I say I'm sf, I'm fucking around guys. Yes, I am sf. Air quotes I'm security forces, but I am nothing special. I stand at a gate salute, thank you. Welcome to the gates of lackland. I let you in the building. I guard planes like that's the extent of my military career I have nothing special.
Speaker 1:Look at bill fold's comment that he's got my old jarhead opinion is that an air force pj is one of the baddest operators in the world.
Speaker 4:Agreed, and mr bill fold. If you ever come to texas, brother, I'm gonna buy you a steak. We're going to sit down, we're going to talk.
Speaker 1:Fuck yeah, One jar head to another man. Let's freaking get it done, brother. I'll take them out for sure.
Speaker 4:Yep. First of all, Mr Billfold, create a LinkedIn Send me a message. I travel the country with my new job now through Mark 43. I may be coming to your region sometime soon and let's frigging, get that steak dinner on me.
Speaker 1:Banning. What is Mark 43? I'm just curious.
Speaker 4:So I want to. It may bore some people, but I'm excited about it. So, mark 43, when you think about it, when you call 911, that's going through a software system when that dispatcher the emergency dispatcher, 911 dispatcher, whatever you want to call here, her answers that call and they say where is your emergency? A lot of them think, oh, it's what's your emergency? No, it's where your emergency is. And they're getting that information and they're typing that into a software. That software, essentially, is launched immediately to responding officers medics, fire department, whoever, whatever the responding first responder force is for that specific goal. And Mark 43 is a platform and, um, and I have competitors out there, meaning Mark 43 has competitors but ours is. There's a reason I'm working for it. It's a lot faster. Um, we even have some AI tools now that we're using in the in the officer field, in the dispatch field, for search capabilities, looking up stuff and analytics field.
Speaker 4:So that just means that higher up brass can sit there and look at everything a department has done in whatever past timeframe three months, ten months and pull up quantifiable data that they can take to their city council and they can go and ask for more money for it. We need more money in this area. We need more money in that area. Here's the quantifiable data or the analytics piece on why, and it brings the factual data out. So the commissioners, if it's a sheriff's office or city council and it doesn't take somebody six to eight weeks to go, try to fish that data out in different systems out there. And I'm not going to say who our competitors are out there. There's a lot of great companies out there, but Mark 43 is truly. They're investing in their own company and it has turned out to be a landmine in this field. It's bringing out some great results. So Mark 43 does that. We bring information to the masses very fast to help resolve a problem.
Speaker 1:It's awesome. I like seeing the like. You guys got to understand. I knew Banning while he was still an active deputy, so to see the passion behind what he's doing now, like it's pretty cool, like I like it, it's fun for me, everybody understands, I was blessed with some I hate to call them followers but a ton of connections on LinkedIn.
Speaker 4:And when I announced my retirement after my failed run for office, which I'm so glad I was not elected only because it's God's will. Whatever you want to think higher power, there was a reason I didn't get elected. And now my position in life is to bring this software to as many agencies as I can.
Speaker 4:And this helps for people that don't like law enforcement. This helps for people that don't like law enforcement. This helps for people that do like law enforcement. It brings the truth and the facts faster. So when you go up there and you do what's called a FOIA Freedom of Information Act and you want to get that information because of how Mark 43 is built and how the court clerks work and the clerks for the police department, fire department, they can get that information a lot better to you, faster and you get to see truly everything that went on at the call. And that's what Mark 43 is really really good at and that's my.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to call it a shameless club or plug, because I absolutely love who I work for and that's the reason I'm in Las Vegas right now. I'm out here for SHOT Show and I'm out here to find out different agencies or vendors here that will work well with what we do. It's called Open API. We're born in the cloud. We're cloud native. For those of you that understand how dispatch center works, most dispatch centers have what's called a cooling room and you're going to have 200 servers in there and all these big CPU. I'm not a computer guy. I work for a tech company but I'm still not a computer guy and there's a lot of money that goes on maintaining that. Ours is completely what's called the Amazon Web Service Government Cloud. We're State Ramp High Certified, govramp High Certified and we do Department of Defense stuff. We do state and local and that's what I do. Slg Business development for Mark 43. It's an outstanding company. Hell yeah, brother.
Speaker 1:Ryan LeMay. I just want to give a shout out. He said after listening to 187,382 episodes of the podcast, I finally caught a live one. Greetings from the mountains of nude hamster.
Speaker 4:That's awesome, never heard it called that, Love it I got. I got family in New Hampshire, so that's outstanding.
Speaker 1:Love it, love it. All right guys, let's. I'm. I've got a lot of energy, I'm sorry. Let's go, I'm going to go to a video.
Speaker 4:So I got a video loaded up here I'm going to go to a video, so I got a video loaded up here.
Speaker 1:I'm going to share the screen. It's only 9 o'clock where I'm at, brother Hell, yeah, man, let's fucking go. It's almost midnight where I'm at, but I don't give a shit. Are you doing it? You waiting, motherfucker. You started taking it.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay, you got it. We love you, alan. That means, I love you?
Speaker 1:Which one is it? Yep, that one, that one? Yes, sir, that's it. Learn your job, alan, come on what's the address to your emergency?
Speaker 12:I'm at the Chick-fil-A 33rd and Broadway. This is about a gentleman who has been exposing himself to minors the Lord's Chicken. He's been identified by a couple of our guests here.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we got a dude exposing himself at the Lord's Chicken's House of Chick-fil-A. That's my accent for Texans. My pleasure, yeah, yeah, yeah. If anybody's never been to Chick-fil-A, it's always my pleasure.
Speaker 11:It's been my pleasure yeah.
Speaker 4:Hey, before you hit play, I'm sorry, but somebody just sent me this reel this morning and I woke up with a big smile only because this real and in the real I think it was Instagram, I think that's the only one I do Basically a guy standing. You know how they for those of you have Chick-fil-A sometimes they get busy and they have guys out there, girls out there, with the actual tablet. They're taking the payment and the order right there, and it's every time at the end of it, they have a business model that's amazing. Regardless of what you think about Chick-fil-A, their business model is fantastic, but in this reel it's a comedy spoof.
Speaker 15:And the guy says no problem being the employee of Chick-fil-A, and then he's like no, I mean my pleasure, and this squad of goons pull up an unmarked Chick-fil-A vehicles and they take him away.
Speaker 4:And then you can hear a pop in the background and then another Chick-fil-A comes up and he's like you're already ready, where's the other guy? My pleasure? And he tried to get him to drive on and I'm sorry, but that is the funniest video I've seen all week. So look up some of those spoofs from Chick-fil-A.
Speaker 11:It's almost like Trunk Monkeys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the old Trunk Monkey. Yeah, those are the best videos. Oh man, that's old school police training right there. Oh shit. All right, let's go to this video. Is he still?
Speaker 13:there. Now, correct, he is still here.
Speaker 12:He is eating currently. Is he still there now? Correct? He is still here. He is eating currently. It looks like he's wearing what he was wearing in the picture that was posted on y'all's Instagram, oh so he's what. He's going to be in the men's restroom. Hey, we're going to go over here and talk outside real quick. All right, we're just going to go ahead and talk. We're just going to go ahead and talk. Pause.
Speaker 1:So this isn't just anybody exposing themselves. One. You've got a third-party witness that is going to be your main person, but he said it matches the person on your Instagram page. So that means the department has put out a bolo or a bee on the lookout for this person. So for me, as I'm asking this person to walk outside, I am now in close enough proximity that I can go hands-on. I'm going to maintain positive control of this person to let him know, no matter what, I have reasonable, articulable suspicion and that he is not free to leave, and that he is not free to leave and that he is not going to go anywhere because I'm going to keep hold of him in this particular situation. Anybody got a problem with that. No, okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 12:First, I'm going to talk outside for a second so we can get away from people Cool. Grab that wrist.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's gone. He's rabbiting. Yep, see, this is why I'm going to keep. I haven't seen this video. This is why I said I would keep positive control of him, because I'm not going to let this dude get out of my sight and he is a perv.
Speaker 11:He's exposing himself to people who's holding the door. Is that just a?
Speaker 1:citizen. Okay, yeah, somebody coming in.
Speaker 11:I didn't know if it was another officer, so from here as he takes off.
Speaker 1:Now we got decisions to make. Am I fast? Can I catch up to him? If I can, I'm going to tackle his ass If he's faster than me. I'm going to tase his ass If he's faster than the taser. We got a lot of radio traffic to get out there.
Speaker 10:Let's see what happens, stop. Okay, told him to stop.
Speaker 1:Looks like we're catching up. Oh, now we're losing him. Come on, okay, we're gaining. We're gaining. Stop eating his head, alright, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 10:Ow Got him on the run, turn over, turn over and stop him.
Speaker 11:That is fucking hard to do y'all, you don't understand.
Speaker 1:My man did that on the run, so when he slowed down right here.
Speaker 11:I bet he's pulling the taser out like crazy.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you can see his hand go down to it, like as he says, stop or I'm gonna tase you like that is hard to do. That's a braggable shot right there. Stop eating a tase.
Speaker 1:Now I will say when you're going to deploy a taser one of the things that they train us on, and this is the education side of everything that I do guys doing it over cement or blacktop is frowned upon. We try not to do that. However, as you can see, there was no other opportunity for him to do this and the guy was starting to pull away now, given what he was doing exposing himself to children at the chick-fil-a I'm okay with this all day long. Like this was this guy got off light?
Speaker 11:um, well, and there there's other things going on here, because I they evidently had a picture of him up, wanting to know who this guy was right like this is not just a one-off of running into this dude.
Speaker 1:They knew who they were looking for and he's been a problem. So on this we got lucky. The guy didn't get seriously injured being tased over cement. Full disclosure. I tased the guy on the street top and it knocked him unconscious. He wasn't on the cement over the road top, he was in a yard. And when I pulled the trigger he said taser, taser, taser. This is kind of my problem Sometimes with announcing. He heard me say it and he tried to juke to the left. Well, I'd already pulled the trigger and when he juked to the left cause I yelled taser, tas. Juked to the left because I yelled taser, taser, taser.
Speaker 11:Now he's on the street and that knocked him out. So that brings up a good question.
Speaker 1:Do you have to say it?
Speaker 4:Policy, yeah, the way you're trained Most departments medium to large size departments will have you state that and the reason that's stated in there. If you have other officers with you, it's the I'm not pulling my gun, I'm pulling a taser. This is less than lethal. You're announcing that I'm going less than lethal Because if you don't, you're going to get that pop noise and then you're going to get a couple of different noises, right, eric? So if you have good contact, you're going to have more of a muffled sound. There's not going to be much noise If you have not so good contact you're going to hear.
Speaker 1:I mean it's really fast Trying to find connection, yeah.
Speaker 4:Trying to find connection on that.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, I like Eye of the Night because he's got that Undertaker pose right now.
Speaker 11:You're not wrong, he ran so fast out of his shoes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did run out of his shoes, hey.
Speaker 11:I'll say he wasn't over the asphalt when he hit him. He was over a car car like he was going around the edge of that car. You know he used it as support.
Speaker 1:There you go, that doesn't matter like my man's on his black top the whole way um. So you do have to be, careful. It is it, it.
Speaker 11:It's something that you need to consider now you had an officer killed somebody up here, um, he tased him in a in a living room and he fell and hit the corner of a coffee table damn, no.
Speaker 1:Yeah uh. Mr bill says he looked like he got a little holy spirit on contact, but none of y'all got a problem with this. Listen, like some of the most anti-cop guys are on here chatting back and forth. Ain't none of y'all have a problem with this one? I love it uh it's funny universally everybody. When a kid's involved, everybody's on the same page.
Speaker 4:It's kind of when you're, when you're a sick sob, that that exposes yourself. I'm sorry, I mean I'm not talking, I'm not implicating. Oh, I should have shot. No, the tas. He's running away. We have to figure out who this is. Yeah, period, I mean, you know, I mean that girl. Think about, think about the victim in a situation like this. We have to do that for every case that young lady is going to have to deal with this in her mind, regardless of her age.
Speaker 4:For the rest of her life, yep for the rest of her life, and now we can bring this person to justice, and to me that's police work.
Speaker 1:So from here, now that he stays, now we're giving verbal commands Roll over your stomach. Roll over your stomach If he tries to get up, if he tries to reach in his waistband or anything like that. Hopefully we still have a good connection and we're going to give him another ride. If not, and he's digging, then we're going to have to switch over to a firearm. But let's see what happens Right now he's got that neuromuscular incapacitation.
Speaker 10:That's what he had. Pause.
Speaker 1:This is where cops fuck up. We got two people yelling instructions now. Luckily they were on the same page. They're both yelling the same thing more times than not. They don't yell the same thing and that's where we get a lot of problems. So, officers, if you're listening to this podcast and you're like, how can we improve? One person talks, somebody's got to take command, hey, shut the fuck up. I'm talking, I'm okay with that. I've done it a lot. I've told officers shut up. I'm talking. I got this. Other times I've been told to shut up. Hey, levine, shut your mouth. I got it. I got it. Oh, you got it. My bad, because we do. We get lost in the sauce sometimes. I'm susceptible to it, just like everybody else.
Speaker 11:So he didn't split the equator and it worked pretty well.
Speaker 4:It's pretty impressive yep one's here and one's here yep, he had enough spread him being a guy personally is if he truly did what he did, it's probably why it was good contact. Yep, sorry, yep. Keep going, hi, hi.
Speaker 1:There we go. Mr billfold said I hate policing. I hate bad policing, not good policing. That's what I'm talking about. Um, all right, let's go. Man, I'm broke. I'm telling y'all I am in the mood tonight. We are at three and a half hours. I don't give a fuck, I'm having a good time. We've got over. We got 45 people at least showing right now. I'm all about guys. If you haven't heard my whole premise on this, if I have 30 people, that's a full classroom. So that's what I'm trying to appeal to. If we got two or three people, okay, yeah, all right, have a good night. We've got over a classroom full here, so I'm down to keep going Banning's in a city that doesn't sleep and Alan has no choice.
Speaker 11:Just for your information, Banning and I have seen this one If you want to keep going.
Speaker 1:Which one?
Speaker 11:Have you the Grappler.
Speaker 4:Oh, oh, the Grappler. Yeah, which one have you, the Grappler? Oh the Grappler. Let's watch it. I mean, there may be people in the audience and I'll be quiet on it and I'll give my opinion at the end, once Eric is done.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it. I don't know why half the video has been shown already. There we go.
Speaker 11:Well, it was on your computer from last week.
Speaker 1:It might have started when I wasn't, when you weren't playing with it. I mean, I know what the grappler is. You're not sharing. One job around here you know what an idiot who hired this guy. I'm not paying you this week.
Speaker 10:Damn. Getting the news, I was like people are getting paid.
Speaker 11:Oh shit, we piggy-sied big, big time. Yeah, you did, thank you.
Speaker 1:Alan, you're not sharing the right one.
Speaker 12:Hold on, I got it, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 4:Just like Walmart. We'll hire him.
Speaker 11:Well, it helps when you have. I have a 30-inch monitor. He has a little bit bigger, 5,000-inch monitor 57 inches. It's okay, it's cool he's compensating. You can tell people it's bigger over here.
Speaker 1:I get it. There we go. I'll you, mr Billfold. Okay. So in these pursuits right now direction of travel speed, what the traffic conditions are those are the updates we're going to keep continuously giving to the supervisors Guys like me who want to know that aren't involved Right now, middle of the night, there's no traffic out here, Depending on what it is. I'm going to approve this pursuit. They've got what's called a grappler. He's going to deploy it. I've never used one one of these. We don't have him where I'm at.
Speaker 4:It's got it. Now southbound on case for me Light traffic 849. 610,.
Speaker 1:Steve Smokey's up Over the tracks. Oh, he's got him, he's hooked him up. Fish on, fish on. Oh I like the bird.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 11:Oh, my favorite part. I have not seen this 345,.
Speaker 7:that's okay, thank you. Is anyone coming?
Speaker 1:Slow down, okay. So from here we're going to go into what's called a felony stop. We're not going to approach the vehicle, we're going to give out verbal commands from the car. So I'm going to be taking command. If it's me in this, we'll go with this white SUV here and I'm going to be yelling out shut your sirens off. We're going to do felony stop and I'm going to be yelling felony stop, felony stop. So everybody knows. So we need to get the sirens off. So I can either give commands over the loudspeaker or verbally, and we're going to have them come out of the vehicle one by one and walk back to us so we can stay behind cover. That's how that would go slow down, slow down.
Speaker 10:We're good, slow down, slow down radio county one good grapple all right, this guy's awesome.
Speaker 1:He's already taken lead. This is exactly what I was talking about. Now, I haven't seen this Banning and Allen have, so I don't know what's going to happen. Great job, great fucking work.
Speaker 1:All right, counting his chickens for the hatch A little too soon for my liking. Yeah, you got it hooked up, fucking great. He's not in custody yet, like relax, and it sounds like canines on scene so I can hear the dog barking. So I'm going to make sure that if I'm in charge, I am going to yell out to the canine first. Do you want this? Because canine has precedence over everything. Banning is that how you were trained?
Speaker 4:it is I mean it also depends on the situation. Why did it start? Obviously, if it's coming from an armed situation like we had a fast food joint that was shot up and I made it on scene and my dog wasn't that go in and retrieve, bite and pull out the dog that I have was more of a tracker, narcotics finder and article recovery finder.
Speaker 4:We did have a dog that was on the opposite shift to be that guy that put on a 50 foot long line and if that driver's window was down we could actually send that dog in His name was Bruno to retrieve that person. Where they lock onto their arm or whatever body parts exposed and we and we use that long line, we drag them in, but if it's something to where they they left something with firearms involved we're going to go at this with with uh force unforced to where we can safely get them out.
Speaker 4:Nobody else gets hurt.
Speaker 1:Andy fletcher, you made me laugh because if it's deaf, we're going to beat him up. Shut up, why is?
Speaker 11:it always Bruno or Nitro Are the meanest.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the first dog that I had that ate my lunch To where you can see the scars. His name was Diesel. Diesel is a common one.
Speaker 1:I'm like, if it's a Diesel, I'm not getting around that dog, trust him. Let's see Country girl said Like, if it's a diesel, I'm not getting around that dog, trust him. Let's see Country Girl said that's what I said, eric, don't get cocky yet. Yeah, exactly. You ain't got him in custody.
Speaker 1:Okay, so K-9 is yelling out commands. Look at me, Damn. I feel like N nostradamus right now. Hands are up. I like it listening what I do keep your fucking hands up you gotta refrain, guys. Officers, if you're listening to this podcast right now and you respect anything out of us on the panel, that what we're saying I understand. Y'all are little fucking alpha wolf hunters. Y'all want to get some. You gotta know your role. Your role is to shut your fucking mouth here. One person talks.
Speaker 4:And don't be that guy that's a marine of the stack out there saying we stopped you because you get an air force check on your car. Funny, but don't just let it out.
Speaker 10:You can say that blue too you know what?
Speaker 1:I'm going home taking a ball with me you fuckers, yeah. So on this, like shut up. If you weren't talking, it's not time to talk. Shut your mouth. Let the guy that was giving commands talk. What this guy just said was out of pocket. If I was a supervisor, depending on your record, that might be a write-up for me Because you may have just escalated something that wasn't going to escalate. That may be a pee-pee slap as we commonly refer to. I don't like that shit. Man. Like relax, I get it, you're an alpha.
Speaker 11:Cool, Well, and it caused him to escalate too, because the suspect responds right actually let me go back just a little bit.
Speaker 1:We'll see one guy's talking keep your fucking hands up his hands are already up. Granted, this cop probably was about to start saying that before his hands came up, and so, for science, we'll tell you a little bit of delay. But that's not your function. Right here, somebody's already talking. Your function is safety. Sit back, make sure there's no threats, make sure he doesn't reach for anything, anything like that. Keep your mouth shut. You're not helping. Is Tim leaving?
Speaker 11:Tim had to go.
Speaker 4:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Sorry I had to. Jet. Got granddaughter in the morning. Appreciate you, tim. Sorry, how long ago was that? Not long Three minutes. Hopefully he saw it got granddaughter in the morning and been a fun one good one I appreciate you, tim. Sorry if I I. How long ago was that uh?
Speaker 11:not long three minutes.
Speaker 1:Okay, hopefully he saw I feel bad if he didn't see you say goodbye, so keep going keep your hands up okay. So you hear somebody say I got 40. 40 is a foam round. It's a 40-millimeter foam round launcher. Basically Shit hurts.
Speaker 10:Keep walking back, keep walking. Keep walking, keep walking.
Speaker 1:Okay, we still got a command problem. We got too many people chiming in. However, my man's hands are open. I'm fairly confident if I'm the officers here. I'm fairly confident because his hands are. I can see there's nothing in them and there's a fur missile right there. Yeah, and you got the fur missile ready to launch. So for me, people get really hyped on this stuff and I understand why if you're not used to it, but for me, this is where I'm going to be like I can see your hand dude. Hey man, listen, let's calm down. Everybody relax. Keep walking backwards, keep walking backwards. Everybody and this is me, if I'm giving commands and I've done this before hey, everybody else, watch the car, right, I want my arrest team to watch him and it's probably just his credentials in that air force mercy.
Speaker 1:He's got strapped around why I gotta be an air force murse man, I'm just busting your balls brother motherfucker and the hybrid he's driving right.
Speaker 1:So, um, I I like this is how I personally, like I said, we don't, we're not monday morning quarterbacking. So for me, as I'm dealing with this call, I'm telling you how I would do it. I would be like all right, everybody, this is my opportunity to calm things down and that's what I need to do. Um, so I'm gonna be like everybody relax, arrest team. I want you to watch him, everybody else watch the car and I'm going to say all right, man, you've been cool, we appreciate it. Keep your hands where I can see them. Now I just need you to slowly walk back towards me. Just keep walking towards my voice. You are doing great. You're doing exactly what we need you to do. We're going to explain everything as soon as we it that way and that's how I roll. So see what they do.
Speaker 10:Keep walking, stop, stop, drop to your knees. Drop to your knees, hands on your head Move in way, watch out, watch out, watch out. I love it. What did I do wrong?
Speaker 13:County 1 to 10. They're in the car.
Speaker 10:Occupants in the car. Occupants in the car, come out now.
Speaker 1:Okay. So what they're doing now is just ghost calling that's what I've called it or phantom calling. We don't know if there's anybody else in there, so we pretend there is. Hey, other occupants of the car, come out with your hands up, give a few ghost calls and then we're going to tactically move up. Pick a side of the car and we're going to tactically move up. Pick a side of the car and we're going to clear that car.
Speaker 10:Once the car is clear, everything relaxes from there.
Speaker 1:And that looks like what they do, so we'll stop sharing the Grappler Badass device.
Speaker 4:I've been following that company since 2002. Ever since I got in law enforcement, I found a video of it online. I don't even think it was YouTube, but I was like man, they've got something here. The only problem I have with it and just trying to be a perfectionist of you have to get so close. Yeah, yeah, your vehicle has got to get so close.
Speaker 4:And if you're in a high speed and you guys run three digits over 100 miles an hour and you've got to get that go up. I think it's the highest and I may be wrong. Look online and tell me if I'm right, but I believe it's eight feet from that front bumper. Really, at 100 miles an hour, eight feet is freaking close, yeah.
Speaker 11:Well, you noticed how you started to go in on the driver's tire and then, you know, the car kind of cut over and ended up on the passenger side yeah and you see most of those deployments on the driver rear, because that's the way it's designed, that's the way you're trained.
Speaker 4:But, by god, if you got to grab that passenger rear and you're about to come to a right turn I think they were about to to do that he was able to get it stopped, so it was a thank god he got it stopped.
Speaker 1:I outlasted my mom. She's going to bed, she's got to take the, she's taking my girls to school in the morning.
Speaker 4:So good night mom for watching.
Speaker 1:Um, but uh, yeah, grappler's badass, very cool device. Um, let's see the next video, if you will share. Beautiful biggie size and go. We're turning on a driftwood, all right. So we have a pursuit on snow and ice in the in a neighborhood, so for me it's not gonna get high speed. Yep, I grew, I grew up in michigan. I, I know how this is going to go. Um, it's not going to get high speed, so you don't have to worry about some freaking, crazy, monumental crash. Um, so pursuits are more likely to happen in these conditions, uh, just because you're not going to get up to an egregious speed. So take it slow, take it easy, keeping them in sight. Just keep calling out direction, um and description. Don't know why they're running like already wrecked out. Now we got people out on the street by body language. Don't give a shit.
Speaker 4:I was looking at a mail carrier. He's like are you a?
Speaker 1:dumbass it's like another day in the hood. I don't know what's going on. This does not look like a hood, by the way. This actually looks like a neighborhood I grew up in.
Speaker 11:I think it is the mailman.
Speaker 1:It does look like it. Look still walking forward, not even trying to get out of the way. Just keep him on view. He made his way back around. Tell how many times it's occupied. I think it is. Oh, I think that was debris from the mailbox. I'm going to stay way back Coming up on the intersection. I'm already slowing down, not even trying to get up on him. Clear my intersection, I don't want to have traffic.
Speaker 13:No traffic right now. We're going to put it on our burrito, one thing you can't trust.
Speaker 1:I understand that you can see clear ground here, but in a cold state that doesn't mean that it's not slippery guys. Yep, even in texas. Just keep them on view. That's my only goal here sell out direction to travel. Keep them on view now, depending on what we're chasing before. If this is a traffic offense, like you might let them go. I don't see any cars out here, though, so it doesn't look like it's a busy time of night or day. Yeah there we go.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna stay in my car please stop all right, this is where we differ how I would rode my car up until it didn't spin anymore I'm not getting out of my car, uh, and it looked like it was one occupant um, I'm still not sure why we're chasing, but regardless we're chasing um.
Speaker 1:So if we're gonna unasked vehicle now I gotta describe what I got my guy. It's a male. I'm going to give out race, if I can see it. White male, black male, asian male, hispanic male, whatever it is. Looks like he's wearing all black, traveling in whatever direction.
Speaker 10:Stop, get on the ground right. Now he says I'm not going to run.
Speaker 1:Stop, get on the ground right now he says I'm not going to run Now. I haven't watched any more of this. But the officer, he's got great demeanor. He escalated like his voice doesn't even sound all worked up. He accepted this guy for what he's doing. He's given up. So that tells me that this officer has great training and that he recognizes that he doesn't need to be peaked up here. Where he was at on the pursuit he's dropped his level with an appropriate level of what the bad guy's given him. So let's keep going.
Speaker 13:Take one of the dust.
Speaker 10:I'm all bleeding.
Speaker 1:Great fucking work. This is police work. This is great police work. This needs to be Listen he's not even worked up.
Speaker 1:You notice, the suspect just put his hand Up by his face. He didn't all of a sudden Freak out. Show me your fucking hand Like he. That that was. This is what we're talking about. This should be fucking celebrated. Yep, this is listen, guys, to me to banning to Alan. This is normal police work. This is what we're used to seeing, and I and I'm I'm going ape shit over it because the problem is, it doesn't get.
Speaker 1:Nobody sees this this is how normal, like this bad guy, uh, whatever. Um, I'm gonna read the title because I don't know what's going on um 14 year old boy crashes stolen car. Oh okay, so it's a stolen car. So yeah, like, and it's probably a family member yeah, you're, definitely, you can be unauthorized use.
Speaker 4:Most motor vehicle, most accidents it's a. He took my car without my consent. By god, I don't want to lose my insurance because this kid could wreck out out there and cops get behind him.
Speaker 1:He gets scared and he takes off. Yeah, brandon sterling said, big redwood has just rolled up on him at two miles an hour and opened the door up on them. Suspect down. I've tried that before, no lie, I've tried that, but they ended up ducking over to the left. I couldn't get to them. I'm just kidding, I would never do that. So, yeah, this is the stuff that I like to highlight that people they're like why are you getting so nuts over this? Like you don't understand, like nobody shows this stuff. Like this is how the majority of police work that I see. This is how it goes. The officers aren't worked up. They're professional. They know what to do. This, this was great police work. They kept them on view. They didn't pressure them. They didn't put anybody on the road at risk. This guy did this kid. He's 14 years old, couldn't handle it. But these officers stayed back. This was great. This was normal every day, great work.
Speaker 4:You want to know how I know a lot of the same people are coming back to watch our videos, because I was just referred to as mr big red big red. That was like eight episodes ago you went in there and changed my. I'm like how the hell did you change?
Speaker 9:my name. I put that in there by god right, big red, I know right oh, that's so funny there it goes.
Speaker 4:It's about to pop up. I can, I can uh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hear the clicks, yeah, so uh yeah, I'm right too uh, how you like that one, mr Bill Fold he was supporting me a minute ago. Oh shit, all right, I got my last video that I had pulled up, so we'll do this one. Jesus, we had almost a four-hour fucking podcast. I love it. Let me share this Share screen, all right? Biggie says this guy. A pursuit I saw being 55 traffic light on northbound. Northbound on D-19. Livingston. That may be Michigan, these are 50 miles an hour.
Speaker 7:These are 50. How's the road?
Speaker 1:Wet but clear. Turning on the kettle, kettle. Okay, so he's not wrong. I would have called that fairly clear.
Speaker 4:He was asking for supervisor's permission, um do, we do, we, yeah, we did oh, y'all watch this one well, we, actually we broke it down on the last show.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I'll keep going with it, because I haven't seen it, so maybe it'll give people a perspective of me. Mr Buffalo, you're such a jealous gal. They're on Teta West at E19. Okay, good spot to pit, there we go. Oh, uns. Spot to pit, there we go. Oh, unsuccessful pit, okay, from here. I don't know that I'm going to get out of my car. I may reverse to get in a better position, because if I get out of my car I risk getting run over. So that's the way I'm looking at it right now. I don't want to stay in my vehicle, though.
Speaker 10:Hands up, hands up.
Speaker 1:Oh, this is giving us a better view. Oh, we got two cars in line Beautiful. So if I'm the second vehicle, I'm going to get up there and block them. Yep, it's like what I would have got closer. I don't like that.
Speaker 2:We discussed that the last time, Jesus that's terrible.
Speaker 11:You know, what's really interesting, eric, is we got to listen to you just talk about it. Yeah, and everything you're bringing up like that was a good tip. That was this. I had to back up and then, as soon as I got out of the car, we all said the exact same thing.
Speaker 4:Oh my God, he's running after the window. Yeah, I'm like Jesus.
Speaker 11:So okay, we will. So, did you see in the driver's vehicle when you did the pit maneuver? That's going to be your question as this gets, as this continues on Right. That's, there's a couple of questions we're going to have for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I didn't see. I did not see how many occupants were in there. I didn't see anything. So, um, I all I saw was a pit and, like I said, I I am not getting. I want to unask my vehicle. I'm okay with that, but I would have gotten um, let me get the mouse where this guy's at. If I'm the driver, I'm coming back here and I'm gonna tell this guy in this vehicle to fucking pull up, like I want to create a boxed in scenario, um, and I don't want to get run over, so no, and then you would have began calling him out yeah, right, yeah, I would have had verbal command.
Speaker 1:It's a felony stop. That's what this is. It's no different. Same thing we had on the last one felony stop.
Speaker 11:Yeah, I'm not okay, you're gonna definitely want to keep playing clear making contact okay, I hope they can see in the car.
Speaker 1:All right, what? Oh shit yeah, now it just turned into a totally no scenario think about if you're.
Speaker 11:You know, this question got brought up to us last week, you know. Think about if we're behind that vehicle and we're just trying to call him out and he's sitting there bleeding out is what it is. Yep, exactly is what it is yeah, so maybe the officer saw something, you know, when he did the pit so he thought to rush to the vehicle, but still there's a knife involved. Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1:I have the night set. Whoever does the uploads? Have you considered putting time stamps in the comment section for bookmarks for each of the main video? I have not, because we don't watch them. Yeah, yeah, we don't watch the videos. That's part of the the fun.
Speaker 1:Um, I think that's what gives us our unique way that we do this. We don't know what we're watching. That's why these two guys just stayed quiet on the last two videos, because I wasn't a part of the last live and they were, and these were videos they showed and they let me, they, they, they knew what was going to happen and I didn't. So I'm the one that talked and I gave you my perspective. So, um, what was interesting about that was you guys were able to see the similarities between the training, and none of us have worked for the same department. So that's why we do what we do kind of understand. You guys can kind of see how training is similar in a lot of ways, but then it differs so much from other places. Um, let's see, uh, I want to be like alan when I grow up. You need to have higher goals bro.
Speaker 1:Uh, here comes the bus mr billfold said we did this with von uh lex luther of force science right.
Speaker 11:Uh much love I think it was wizard von last week, yeah, wizard.
Speaker 4:So I'm having dinner with him either tomorrow night or the next night. So he'll get a laugh out of that, mr Bill Bro you've got to convince him to be one of us.
Speaker 1:I'm going to talk to him. He's got to be a two-council.
Speaker 4:I told you, man, he loves doing this. His mind is so in love.
Speaker 1:Bro, I want to get him on here. So bad, I mean. The thing is, he's such a sought-after dude and we can't offer him anything other than just the luxury of being on here with us. Sure, but he loves doing it.
Speaker 4:I mean, this is his passion, and they always say if you do something that you're passionate, it's not even work, so he's already doing it for a career. Yeah.
Speaker 4:What he was trying to say in that text between you and I. He loved it. So once the trial season is over, you see a lot more Vaughn on here. He's told you that and I think that the people watching this will get a lot out of hearing Vaughn, because Vaughn, truly, you know, he's the type of guy you can hide that constitution and say what is this and he can read it backwards and forwards to you, and I love that about a man. You know, I'm just a cop. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I'm some superhero, I'm just a cop. I've had a lot of years of experience. I make sure that I don't violate somebody's fourth amendment first, second, third, the best that I can and I try to give them the best advice I can on scene as well, even though I was wearing a badge. It's like hey, dude, you know what, don't feel freaking obligated, get your attorney involved, yeah. Do your thing.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. But, yes, everything that you say to me is going to be utilized in this call. So yeah, vaughn's a good dude man. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Bill Fulton fucking with me all night tonight. He said Eric has zero sugar haterade in his bucket. Tonight With Vaughn has done breaking down constitutionality and training for police is impressive to me because that's what we need out there. I agree.
Speaker 4:I think Vaughn's instructions, which I so. Mr Bill Fold, everybody that's watching Bannick this, nobody. I get to go to one of his classes on Thursday and it's a four-hour class. I get to go in there and sit and be his content dude. That's going to put it out for LinkedIn. So if you follow me on LinkedIn, I'm going to put a lot of things out on the class itself. So please tune in. And there's another gentleman down there that's going to be doing that as well. Vaughn is. He's an awesome. I wish how do I put this? I wish I knew half the stuff that Vaughn has already forgot about law enforcement. If you run that through your head, I wish I understood half the stuff he's already forgot about law enforcement. He knows so much. It's impressive, and I want to be mom when I grew up. I mean I can say that that's a mindset man.
Speaker 4:I mean the dude is he's awesome man, so yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he is. He's bad-ass, I mean, and every time we've had him on he's left an impression on people, so definitely cool to have. Um, so I've got no other videos. That's what we've had loaded up for the night. We've literally we're right at four hours now. So this has been a great fucking episode.
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Speaker 1:You guys, specifically, you got my heartfelt thank you. You have humbled and you are the motivation to do what we do. Why we do it? Because it is very hard work to get every single day, looking through content and trying to find stuff to talk about and to try to help make a difference. That's what my goal is, that's what Banning's goal is, that's what everybody that's on here is trying to do. So anytime, and I share. We have a group chat with everybody on this thing and I share every single good message that I get. Hey, you guys helped me do this. Hey, you guys are the reason why I have faith in get. Hey, you guys helped me do this. Hey, you guys are the reason why I have faith in cops. Hey, you guys are the wise we do and, like I share it with these guys all the time. I'm like guys, this is why we're why we're doing what we're doing, do I not?
Speaker 4:I want yes, you do, and I want you to create a billfold or a conversation with Mr Billfold on text Give that dude my number all day long, man, Just frigging. Do it. I mean, we can start out with you and I and I think you have a way to communicate with him. Let's do it, man. He's a good dude. He's a frigging Marine. I understand that.
Speaker 4:He understands a lot of what he's went through and he's probably seen a lot of the bad. Let's show him some of the good. Let's keep exposing some of the good and let's start highlighting the bad. If we see the bad, I think you guys understand. When we see the bad stuff on here, we're going to call it out, just like you would yeah, and, and, and, and. We've been blessed with a little platform here to where we can call that out and you can see all of our years of experience out here to where we're going to hammer that so yeah, we're, we're.
Speaker 1:We're trying to get to the point where banning and all the other personalities that like to do this stuff make content other than just me doing all the shorts and reels, but where we give reactions on the good and the bad.
Speaker 1:You guys know how I do it. I really honestly try to go one for one. That's my goal. Sometimes I go you know two or three, you know officers doing good things, and then sometimes I go you know one, two, three of officers doing bad things. But most of the time, just depending on how I find the content, I try to do one for one officers doing good things, highlighting that, and then officers doing bad things and highlighting where what can learn. But the whole point every time is education trying to figure out how we can improve or what to like, somebody giving the example of what we should be doing and why that is, what is it about what they did? That makes it good. I recently highlighted a video of a guy carrying around a dog and the NYPD guy is saying, hey, come over here, let us see your dog, and the dog's singing to the sirens. It was so simple.
Speaker 4:It was a good video. That was a badass show.
Speaker 1:Right, it was so dumb, like simple dumb, it's so easy to do. That guy Ryan, says I got a physical agility test tuesday, excited for the opportunity to chase my dream. Hey, good luck, brother. Enjoy the ride and, um, if all else fails, reach out to us if you ever need advice, because we are going to steer you in the right direction. So, but that is what we try to do on here. We don't shy away. If you're here to troll, you're just going to get ignored, that's all.
Speaker 4:I've seen some of the trollers that come on here and what we would classify, or anybody would, as trollers, but I've gotten some I'm not going to call it results, but messages on LinkedIn. They're like dude, I came in watching you as I've got a chip on my shoulder for law enforcement and they understand that the three of us or the five of us or however many we have on our panel at the time, they truly see an exception In their mind is an exception. But I'm here to say that that exception that they're seeing is the majority of law enforcement out there. Granted, you know, youtube and mainstream media, and not even mainstream, just whatever's thrown out there on YouTube, the negative stuff that's going to get more views and I understand that that pisses us off more than nobody else because we carry that oath. Even if we retired, we still carry that oath.
Speaker 4:So somebody that's going to tarnish the badge you know you guys think you're upset at that, we're more upset, we actually, you probably lose sleep, we lose more sleep on that. Somebody that's going to tarnish that badge, man, I want to go deal with them and I'm a decent-sized guy. So if I go deal with somebody, they're going to be in the non-existence of the earth. After I'm done with that, I don't want somebody to represent us, meaning peace officers around the United States or around the world. Don't do that. We're out here to do good and good only, and we just want the best for everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, country Girl said nice to see your change after video tonight. Eric, country Girl said nice to see your change after video tonight, Eric, that's one of the things I kind of want to, and I'm not sure if this is what she meant. But the video that we didn't have the whole picture. We all had kind of one view on it. I'm like all right, I kind of get it. But then when we saw the bigger picture of the video they kept pushing like no no, no, no you got to see the whole video.
Speaker 1:They were right. I want you guys to see I'm never married to an idea like I'm never married to an ideology. Give me new information. I'm gonna give you a new perspective, or I'm gonna give you the same perspective with an explanation. So, um, I think that's what is the beauty of our channel and with everybody that's on here is, none of us are married to an idea. None of us are an echo chamber.
Speaker 1:Cops do great work. Cops do shitty work. It's our job to distinguish which ones are which and why, and give explanations. Some of you may get pissed off because we don't have the same view as you. I'm going to give you an explanation why and I'm not married to that either I'm just going to tell you what I'm thinking at the you an explanation why and I'm not married to that either. I'm just going to tell you what I'm thinking at the time and if you're able to change my mind, I'm like okay, cool, like I said, y'all keep me based, y'all keep me level. I'm able to say, oh fuck, I didn't think about it that way. I've been a cop a long time, so I'm biased. I know that I'm biased, so that's why I'm listening and I'm trying to keep an open mind every time.
Speaker 1:What do you got Manny.
Speaker 4:Somebody made a comment in there that said Eric, I hope you're only married to your wife. And guess what? Everybody, I'm allowed to stay the night at Eric's house. It may be out in the barn. It may be out on a different part of the property.
Speaker 1:But I'm allowed to of the property. But I guess I am only married to my wife. Thank you, very much A little humor. Yes, yeah, I love it. So Tim Owen said yeah, I agree that I believe that wearing the badge should be an honor.
Speaker 4:Agreed, Absolutely 100% Higher standard. It comes with and we recognize this. It comes with and I hate even using the word power, because we're stopping people's movement. We're investigating, we're doing stuff and we understand that as a panel and we understand that all that power comes responsibility, and if you're using that responsibility to something to pursue your personal goals, get the freak out of law enforcement. This is not. We're here for the community.
Speaker 1:It's nothing more than that period.
Speaker 1:Yeah, eye of the Night said attitude and demeanor is key. You don't need to make the most of the bad ones out, the bad ones to out themselves. Their shift attitudes will compel them to do that all on their own. And then Mr Billfold had a good follow up to say I think it's safe to say that no one who comes here with a chip is able to hold a chip against you guys. I'm happy to disagree if we argue in good faith, and I think we do. That's what this is about.
Speaker 4:We're all human, so so this whole panel, and not to step on eric, because, eric, the only reason I'm even here is because of eric. You know, he created two cops, one donut, uh, and and he's asked me do you want to be a part? Yes, I want to be a part of that, and that's a very funny comment. It's pretty common. Sorry, um, but uh, but when you let, if you let stuff go to your head and you do things outside the scope of what your oath is, you're fucking wrong and you need to get out of this period. And excuse my French, but you know, you guys have helped and sent me some things that I wasn't even aware of in reference to videos, and if these are, you know, sworn cops out there doing that, we want them off the street just as much as any normal person would want them off the street, just as much as any normal person would want them off the street.
Speaker 11:Period. Alan's young. It's past my bedtime, old man.
Speaker 1:But no, I'm with you. I'm with you. Banning, mr Bill Fulton. Power is the right word. Banning. That's why bad policing is more noticed than the good policing, and that's what really irritates me is because nobody shares the good, and no matter how stupid, simple it is, I'm always going to try to share that part. So these rookie cops who have so much on their mind they have a lot They've got to think about civil rights laws, policies, general orders. They've got a ton of shit. Do I have a right to stop and talk to this person? All this stuff going through their heads. I want them to see positive reinforcement, because when you first start out, they make you think, as a cop, that it's the worst case scenario every time. So then they need to see the good stuff.
Speaker 11:I'm not touching it. It wasn't you. It was like it wouldn't stop.
Speaker 1:I'm like my hands are here. You said hands up, hands up, hands up. Awesome.
Speaker 4:I'm going to rub it again buddy. Keep rubbing it in. Look at that welcome to.
Speaker 4:Vegas. So this was a opening gift when I went into SHOT SHOT show and SHOT show is nothing but the hunting community, law enforcement community, outdoors community. They're showing the new products. It's amazing. They're estimating between 50 and 75 thousand000 people that are attending this event this week. That's why I'm here, because it's a lot of stuff that's really good for for the business that. I'm in but they gave this cup to me, so I'm showing it to everybody only because my wife is probably going to steal it when I get home.
Speaker 9:It's going to become her her iced tea cup, so I've been drinking water through it all night.
Speaker 4:I'll make sure I get it through. When I get home Water that's carbonated with other flavors.
Speaker 1:Your face was Alan's paleness. Now it's pink, so I don't think there was water in there, mister. No, no, I'm not the world's greatest detective, but I was a good detective at one time even the fbi can figure that one out.
Speaker 4:I happily put 18 to 22 waters through this tonight straight teeter wash after that. No, no, no, I'm not, I don't, I don't drink. You know, tito's makes me like I don't't do that anymore. Towns, coors, light.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, Just Coors.
Speaker 4:Light, now man Just a little cold beer.
Speaker 1:I love it. Once a week is usually what.
Speaker 4:I do.
Speaker 1:Eye of the Night said it takes special folks to fight that corrupting force and do that job for years upon years and still come out the other side with their integrity still intact, agreed. Come out the other side with their integrity still intact, agreed. I think the hardest part, and what makes us unique, at least with everybody on this panel, is the optimism and the not becoming cynical. So and pink waving, um, uh, that that's. That's my closing statement for tonight. Guys, please, despite all the shitty stuff you guys see, just understand 350 million calls for service, 750,000 cops the majority, I would say less than 1%, are the shitty stuff we see out there. You really are, it really is. Now, I'm not saying to trust everything I say.
Speaker 1:I want you to be skeptical, I want you to hold me accountable, but that's been my impression. That's the honest truth. That's why I keep doing it. It's how I stay positive, because all the positive shit I see.
Speaker 11:Because we're here, you and I, as a badge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good cops hate bad cops, because y'all make it fucking harder for us.
Speaker 4:Yeah, uh, good cops hate bad cops, because y'all make it harder for us. So that's the only reason we're here just those who are listening is because of y'all. You know, if y'all weren't here we don't have a crowd to speak to, we don't have a crowd to get, uh, intertwined in what we're doing and give us your opinion, your opinion is the only reason we're here, and if you were done wrong or bring it up, talk about it, put it in the comments.
Speaker 4:Provide the video. We're here and if you were done wrong, bring it up, talk about it, put it in the comments.
Speaker 1:Provide the video we're going to talk about it. Send private messages. A lot of you have done that.
Speaker 4:Our opinion may be shit in the grand scheme, but we're going to tell you what we think about it. We're human, just like you are. We're no better, we're no worse.
Speaker 1:It hasn't been a major blowout yet, but there's going to be a time that's going to happen and I just want you all to be ready for it where I'm going to have a view and you're going to be like the complete opposite and that's going to test the way that we communicate. I promise it's going to happen because I'm going to have a take on it and it is what it is Now. I'm going to listen to you, allall. I just hope you have the forgiveness to be like all right, levine. You've. I've agreed with a lot of shit you said, but you're a fucking idiot on this one. Okay, cool, as long as we can get that, it'll happen, I promise. So appreciate you guys.
Speaker 4:I got nothing else banning any closing no, thank you all for taking your time away from your families, away from your roommates, whatever your situation is, to tune in this late. Especially, somebody made a comment, I think it was Mr Belfold that said those of you on the East Coast. Thank you for being here, dude, it's late over there. Yes, thank you very much. I'm in Vegas, I don't have much jet lag and, and I'm probably going to be up for a couple more hours, I may or may not be in a casino, uh, but just having some fun man, just living the life in the in Vegas, and I and I love to be a small, very small part of the show.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, brother.
Speaker 11:Alan. Any closing thoughts? Sir, Thank you guys for being here every week and we'll be again. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, brother, all right guys appreciate y'all. Take it easy. Have a good night. Thanks for tuning in.
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