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2 Cops 1 Donut
Inside the Badge: Training and Transparency
This episode dives into the multifaceted world of law enforcement as Erik Lavigne and Det Matt Thornton chat with new Two Cops One Donut member police officer Kat Clark, who shares her unique journey and experiences. The conversation spans humorous anecdotes, tactical training, community engagement, and the imperative role of communication amidst chaos in policing.
• Officer Kat Clark discusses her transition from a creative background to law enforcement
• The podcast emphasizes the importance of human connection and de-escalation techniques
• Body cameras are highlighted as tools for accountability and training
• Humor within policing serves as a vital coping mechanism for officers
• The hosts discuss the continuous learning required in the job and the role of mentors in police work
• The episode urges listeners to see beyond stereotypes and appreciate the humanity in police officers
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Disclaimer Welcome to Two Cops One Donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guest opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two cops one donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements. All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I am your host, Eric Levine. Tonight I got with me the great, the wise detective, Matt Thornton. What's up, brother?
Speaker 2:You ain't got to lie to him. Man Honored to be here.
Speaker 1:I love the show, I love everything about this Hell yeah, bro, got a lot of good things coming down the pipe, so, uh. And then our special guest, um, we have kat clark uh on instagram. You can follow her at up dot n y. No up dot I n n dot n y. So up in new york is what it stands for, right yep, that's right how are you doing tonight, ma'am?
Speaker 3:I'm doing pretty good, doing pretty good, ready to get into this.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah. So you're new to the show new format and all that stuff. So everybody here is kind of an established audience, so to speak. We may have some new people on here. You may have brought some of yours over here. So everybody that already follows kat and they joined over to us like, we appreciate you being here. Uh, we would love for you to hit that like subscribe, follow button on all of our stuff and for our people. Please find kat clark um and find her instagram. Find her, uh, tiktok um up dot in dot ny. You'll find her there, uh, and we'll even type it in the chat. But make sure you guys find her, follow, like subscribe, do all the things the kids say these days and follow along with her. But, kat, I'm going to leave the floor to you. Kind of give everybody an introduction who you are, what you do. Everybody knows you're a cop, but I'll let you be in on the specifics of that.
Speaker 3:So I am Kat Clark. I'm obviously an officer Basically. What people don't know about me is what I show through the Instagram. It's the creative side of me just trying to connect to everybody, give everybody a good laugh and relate to the audience. That's all.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. Okay, very cool, very cool. How long have you been a cop?
Speaker 3:Seven years now.
Speaker 1:Oh, you just passed the rookie phase. I like it. Okay, Now in your policing experience.
Speaker 3:what section of the nation are you in? So I'll just be up front. I am in New York. It's up in New York, Okay.
Speaker 1:We'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Fair enough, and so you're dealing with the Colton. I am from Michigan originally. I am now a cop down in Texas. I was a cop up in Michigan. I was also in the Air Force as a cop in Montana, so I'm done with the cold, I'm done with it, so I'm out. But Matt, however, is a glutton for punishment. And how many years you been up there in the Chicago?
Speaker 2:area. I've been here my whole life but've been uh, in the outside freezing as a cop for this, my 21st year oh, there's nothing more terrifying than well.
Speaker 1:Now it's a little different. Technology has changed, but back when I was, especially a young officer, out in the cold you're wearing those thick ass gloves, but you're like what if I have to draw my gun?
Speaker 1:and you gotta get those moon fingers through to your stuff. So you're like, well, maybe I'll try, like my gun, and you gotta get those moon fingers through your stuff. So you're like, well, maybe I'll try like the mittens with the, the fingers that come off the top, and so you're like I'll try those, and that never quite worked right either we'd have made fun of you too hard for those right yeah, I was trying everything.
Speaker 1:I was just trying to. You know, I was a. I grew up hunting and fishing, so I like had all that and I was like let me convert it over see if it works. Um, there's a reason. Nobody else was using it. I'm just, you know, rookie officer thought I could figure some shit out that nobody else could figure out, and I was wrong. Literally what you had to do is just wear baseball gloves like everybody gloves or 101 hand warmers in your pockets yeah, the cargo pockets are full.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, right those days what my guys have these days are electric hand warmers. They got these like they charge them on their computers and are on their in their cars and they just uh, they're crazy hot like I'm like, oh my god, these are great. But they lose them a lot or they get tactically appropriated. You know cops, a bunch of thieves.
Speaker 2:There's only one way to combat them thievery and that's to steal back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, guys, there's one thing you need to learn about police officers is somehow in their brains it's not stealing when it's all your boys that you work with, or girls. It ain't stealing because they've taken your food. They've taken. You don't leave anything in the fridge because it's either going to have mold on it or they're going to steal your food and eat it. So there's those two things. And then don't leave anything in the gym. You'll lose your gym equipment. Cops are thieves.
Speaker 2:I was big on flashlights man. I had like four flashlights.
Speaker 1:None of them had my initials on oh no, geez, like my cuffs all had my badge number in them, like I made sure I engraved that cat's like yo you lend them for one prisoner.
Speaker 3:You're never gonna see him again I'll forget it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, oh yeah so what do you get out there, cat? Do you guys ride one man, single car?
Speaker 3:oh, it's double cars okay yeah, yeah okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1:Um, now I've already warned cat about y'all in the audience. So for the first time on the show, ease into it, please. Let's leave qualified immunity we'll get to it they love. Let's leave qualified immunity, we'll get to it. They love qualified immunity. They love talking about it. They don't love it. But just relax, we'll get there. Tim's in the audience, we're going to keep going back and forth to the chats and stuff like that. If you guys have questions for Kat'll, we'll pop them up there. Um, I do not have, uh, I don't have alan with me tonight moderating. So I'm going back to old school and I will be doing everything uh, because I can't see any of the comments.
Speaker 2:Usually I do. Oh, you can't see any of them? Nope, they're not up on the board right now.
Speaker 3:No, there's nothing on mine it's probably a button I hit but so I see them on both screens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, fair. So it's you, tim. You've hidden your chat somehow yeah, something like that you can't see. That's so funny. It's always you anyway. Um guys, this is what happens when you get old people on your show it's her fault.
Speaker 2:She's supposed to be watching me and monitoring me, Tennille.
Speaker 1:He's yelling at his wife. Oh man, there we go. There's Timmy, what's?
Speaker 4:up. Oh, I can see it now.
Speaker 1:Now you can see it. Yep, what happened?
Speaker 2:I don't know, timmy, just popped up. What's up, tim? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Timmy just popped up. What's up, tim? Well, I think he's seeing the big pop-ups, because I saw the big pop-up over here and then the small one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's one on the side that you should be able to see everybody's chat coming up. You can't see that.
Speaker 4:Mm-mm.
Speaker 2:That's okay. As long as they pop up here, I'll be good.
Speaker 1:Here, I'll do this and then I'll do this again. Can you see him now?
Speaker 2:Uh-uh.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:I don't know what. I hit man.
Speaker 1:Tennille, save your boy. Uh-oh, we already got a question for you, kat. How's your ground game? What's your jiu-jitsu like?
Speaker 3:So I have a little bit of knowledge with it. I'm honestly pretty good for my size. I'm underestimated a lot, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1:Okay, you get tested a lot out there.
Speaker 3:So not necessarily, but what I'm saying is, when I have practiced, I've been underestimated and people think that I can't put them down, and I do. So men usually that do train will say oh, you can't do this, you can't do that, and unfortunately I proved them wrong and I haven't. I haven't not proved someone wrong yet. Okay.
Speaker 1:Are you actively training? Okay, I've put out a lot of times, I think, cops, I think it should be mandatory that we become blue belts minimum in Brazilian jujitsu. Um, I will be a lifelong purple belt. I just cannot stay consistent enough just because of my hectic lifestyle and schedule. But, um, I think blue belt minimum it's it really. You can get that done as in fast. It just depends on how much time you invest into it. Um, if you're going four to six times a week, you can get it done like six months to a year.
Speaker 1:Now I would still suggest you continue to train Like you shouldn't stop training. But if, if blue belts the mark like you get a lot of good experience rolling that much, um, and and everybody that is familiar with law enforcement knows 100% of non-compliant arrests go to the ground. So every time they start to resist or don't listen or whatever, they're going to the ground. Unless you're Matt and you just you got them hands. You know how to serve up that two-piece. I got this. Now Don't want to use those. Matt is a boxer or ex-boxer.
Speaker 2:at least you shouldn't be boxing at your age? No, no, my wife. I wonder if they actually offered me one last fight, babe, come on. She said no.
Speaker 1:No, she's saying no, I'm saying no, you don't need me doing this.
Speaker 1:You want CTE forever? Jeez, country Girl said that smoke wagon really cuts into training. Huh, eric, yes, it does. As a matter of fact, I am drinking some of the younger for a smoke wagon tonight. They are not a sponsor of ours, but maybe one day you know who is hopefully watching tonight that I talked to the owner of Retro Rifle, which I am sporting one of their shirts tonight. Ten extra points. If you can guess what movie this shirt came from. I'll give you a clue, denzel. So you got to figure that shit out.
Speaker 1:So, kat, what we normally do on the show is we'll bring up a topic. So I'll usually let everybody in the audience kind of hit me up. Somebody already gave me a topic while we were prepping I think it was Country Girl gave me the January 6th pardons. She wanted to kind of discuss that. So I was like, okay, we can get into that, because even though it kind of touches politics, we avoid politics like the plague. But this one directly affects police officers and it was involving police officers. So we can chat about that. Just, everybody in the audience know that we're not getting into the president or the new president. We're not doing any of that. We're going to specifically stay on the policing side of things.
Speaker 1:Jesus is King says. I am a retired police officer and no way you're going to get that blue belt in 18 months. It just depends on who you are, sir. It depends on your athletic prowess. If you recall now, I've been doing jujitsu since 06.
Speaker 1:Um, there is one that they called the prodigy and that was bj penn. He got his black belt in three years. So he was good, he yeah, and there are people that are phenoms that can just that, just have an athletic ability. If're a prior wrestler, you can easily get your blue belt in that amount of time. It just depends on how much time you put on the mats. I lived right by my gym. I was there every day and I didn't have kids, so I got my blue belt really fast. So DeleteLaws says two years minimum for blue belt. It just depends. Again, that's not true. He said sorry, sergeant, you don't know what you're saying. I would challenge that directly as a person who is a certified Gracie survival tactics instructor, as a person that's been rolling at multiple gyms in multiple cities and done a ton of different things. There's a whole bunch of places that you could easily if you've got the athletic athletic ability some people you said, you said delete laws, said that yeah delete laws.
Speaker 1:He's going off he oh, that chili, that's.
Speaker 2:That's my dude. Yeah, I love chili. Chili's a grappler. Chili, chili's a grappler, that's fine that's fine, I'm I'm not.
Speaker 1:I don't know anything about the, the progression he said, he said I'll grapple you, bro, say when okay, fair I'm gonna set it up, we'll set it up and we'll come down the dfw area. I'll roll all day long, you'll tell you can tap me 18 times. What are you gonna prove that?
Speaker 2:I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:If that's your point, then you don't know. Jujitsu. It tapping people that doesn't mean you win, bro, that doesn't. That doesn't mean you don't know what you're talking about means you lost. That's the the beauty of jujitsu you roll, you tap, you start over it's controlled tactical ground hugs. So I've been grappling since I was seven. Okay, so of bears, what's your point? This isn't a dick measuring contest. Cool, you've been grappling since you were seven. Awesome, I've been breathing air since I was born.
Speaker 2:Chili's experience. Let's set that one up he goes, nah, I'm just messing around you ain't gonna get us rattled up, chili. I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna call you tonight.
Speaker 1:Brother, chili's a great dude, he said just funny with you, sergeant, that ain't what he was trying to say. He's trying to say fucking. That's trying to say fucking.
Speaker 2:That's cool. I love that dude.
Speaker 1:Now, kat, in your policing have you gotten any sort of knockdown drag out? You ride two men, so that's a huge benefit safety-wise.
Speaker 3:Yeah, most recently I had somebody take off on me, go over a fence, continue go over another fence, and at that point it was just me and him. So I had to rip him off the fence and he would not stop, he wouldn't give me his hands. Um, at that point we were on the floor, it was what it was. But, um, then had my partner run through a fence and you know other guys as well come through the fence and we took him into custody. But like, yeah, there's, there's been a few of those okay.
Speaker 1:Now, when you were grabbing him off the fence and stuff, um, what was going through your mind? How big was the dude, all that stuff like when you grabbed a hold of him. That that tells a lot for us as police officers, when we get a hold of somebody, of what we're getting ourselves into, because I've grabbed a hold of people littler than me grab their wrists and I knew right away if this guy starts to resist, I'm in trouble. Like they got a level of strength that I don't have. So was that your? Did you have that thought when you were grabbing a hold of him?
Speaker 3:So anytime somebody runs, my question is like for what reason are you running? Is it just because you don't want to be in custody? Is it because you have something on you? Are you carrying a weapon? All these things are going through my head and when he turns to fight and swing, I'm thinking to myself okay, is this just a fight? If it's just a fight, it's no big deal. You, you get hit, you continue going, you, whatever. But I'm looking for hands wearing leaves and it's a lot of slipping all over the place. But you know you do your best to like get it together and you know. Thankfully other officers were right. There was one, two, three, but the man was a little bit bigger than me, but not too much bigger than me. But by the time he was taken into custody he looked at me and was shocked that I was able to do what I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, fair enough. Delete Laws said women shouldn't be cops. Kat, you seem like a nice person. If you grab me, I toss you on your head. I've always held this position women being cops. I told you they were going to come after you.
Speaker 3:This isn't anything new that I'm hearing. It's always these guys that turn around into the body camera and they're like, oh my God, I can't believe that happened, or I can't believe you did that, or I can't believe you caught me. So it's usually the guys that run their mouth.
Speaker 1:And I think a lot of times they think we're just going to um, we're talking about a straight up fight and that's not what we do as cops. Matt what you thought on us fighting I.
Speaker 2:I never really considered it a uh, a fight as far per se, because it's it's different rules. My, my, my objective is to not injure anybody, is my objective is just to take you into custody. I've been in so many knockdown drag outs that people try to take my head off, but I've never changed my goal. My goal is to control your wrists and to take you and wait for someone else to come, because it's always 99% of the time you get on the radio and we can just take this person into custody. But you do need some skills you need to be able to have. I mean, there's, if you've never been, the number two top things in fighting is to breathe and move, and that's what people, that's the basics that you need to realize.
Speaker 2:A lot of people that you'll see these videos of these officers. They'll tense up or they gas out in a second. They don't know what they're doing. It becomes a push-pull contest. You got to understand tactics and, like, have been studying it. Um, what I've found is is there's certain people on the street that I, that we know are fighters around. There's a lot of fighters around in my city, so you know what you, who you're dealing with, but I'm not looking to get in any jiu-jitsu matches. No, it's strategized. It's obviously good to have more than one there, but my main thing is we're trying to do this like a professional and I don't want to hurt anybody.
Speaker 1:Right. What I'm getting at is, if I know I'm going into something where I know I'm going to have to go hands-on. And let's say, I'm going hands-on with you, matt, and all of a sudden I see you drop that right leg back and then take this stance, not like this shit, not none of that or any of this, but a legit fighting stance. I'm going to go oh shit, he knows what he's doing. Like, you're gonna see, you're gonna recognize. So for me, like you said, I'm not here to fight, yeah, so I'm gonna step back, I'm gonna take it up.
Speaker 1:There's nothing wrong with with, with stepping backwards and waiting or waiting, yeah, if I got time, distance, you know an opportunity to, to get back and do that. That's the three variables, guys time, distance and opportunity.
Speaker 2:Yep and I've been in that situation a gazillion times. Uh, the best thing and that's when you start talking like brother, I am not here to fight man, right, I do not. We're trying to do this peacefully. If you're under arrest, you're under arrest, just let's. Let's chill out, man, I'm not trying to fight you. That's the main thing that I keep telling. I'm not trying to fight you, man. Unfortunately, there's too many cops that are trying to, with all that alpha testosterone. They're jumping, they're waiting for that opportunity. Those are the dudes that I just like. I want to, for real, fight those guys. I want to take you down. Just go on the match, dude. This is not a ring. Yeah, you got something to prove. Prove it here. Yeah, those are the type that will get me under.
Speaker 1:What's crazy is it's always the cops that can't fight.
Speaker 4:I'm like you, I got you all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why are you trying to fight, dude? You can't fight to begin with? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Oh, it drives me insane. Yeah, the escalators. That's why we speak. I speak unapologetically against escalators, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and it's our job as police officers. When we see somebody hyping up the scene, like, hey bro, step back, I got this, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is a sign of a good cow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and to Kat's credit, and something that I love and like, I will tell you guys up front, I have had great female partners in policing and loved them. I've had worthless males, I've had worthless females, so like it goes both ways, females, so it goes both ways. But ultimately, anytime I've been on a call with a female, that's a good cop, it's a good compliment to each other. If I can't use my words and get it done, it seemed like every time she could, and vice versa. If she couldn't get it done with her words, well then I would step up and I had a different angle and it would work so that the, the complement of each other, really helped out, because 99 of the time we're not going hands-on, guys. You guys are just talking about. You guys are talking about the one percent or less that we go hands-on. It doesn't happen that often. Um so, and then they've got a batman belt too. It's a great equalizer. You may be smaller, but it can help.
Speaker 2:So and just by piggybacking on your point um, I think it's so important to be a part of some sort of combat sport period and I tell people all the time, um, boxing is what taught me how tough that I am not. Um, it humbles you. Like you, in order to get good at something, you got to get your butt whooped Right, and I think that is so humbling and and and it's it can, it's a dose of reality for a lot of these guys that there's egos, are out to here and like need it. So I think it's really really healthy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, perry Lemley said I thought he said something. I had it there for a second he said my DT instructor for those that don't know, that's defensive tactics instructor in my academy was a female. One of the things I would do with my academy classes that I would teach is I had a 120-pound or less jujitsu black belt female come in and she'd go against the biggest academy recruit we had and it was an eye-opener for him because she would toy with them and she would tell them do whatever you think you can. So she was like leaving the door open for them to throw strikes, to do whatever, and she would just wreck them. So training absolutely helps. Um, now, cat, with your seven years, uh, have you done any sort of combat training? Or just continuous like pd training every you know 40 hours? Uh, whatever they have you guys required to do?
Speaker 3:so I've done the normal pd training but I have had defensive tactics training as well. I've gotten punched in the face plenty of times and unfortunately my reaction to that a lot of times is to laugh and then continue to fight. I don't know why that is a reaction of mine, but I do laugh, I don't know. It's just funny to me because a lot of men think, like I'm reading these comments about you know, women shouldn't be cops and this and that. And I've seen men get hit and literally just stop. They just stop fight over. It's almost like tap somebody else in soon.
Speaker 1:So yeah, um, one of our linkedin users says I've encountered and witnessed many female leos, law enforcement officers who could take any of the male counterparts on the same team. Start playing. The sex determines capability. You would have to to categorize other areas like, for example, height uh, it cut off eric levine being barely tall enough to reach the counter on the ice cream truck, where jujitsu equalizes that I am 5'11". Thank you very much, I am not tall, but I am not short, matt, how tall are?
Speaker 2:you, I am exactly 5'7". Oh shit, yeah, I'm not tall. They're always messing with me. Little bitch, I just stay close. When I fall, I fought I gotta stay close to you. I stay close to you.
Speaker 1:I bet your uppercuts are crazy body work windshield. Yeah, fuck yeah, that was mike tyson. Baby mike had that body work man yeah, that was he was my idol. Oh oh, mike, oh yeah. Yeah, mike was like I mean as a kid growing up between him and Roy Jones Jr when they fought I was like, ah, I hated it. Gizmos suck now I know old and slow Suck for pros, They'd kill me. But Roy Jones in his heyday bro. Oh God, Cat, it was before your time. You're too young.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's how you get I'm 30, 30 oh, okay, yeah, I have no idea who that is, though you look no idea look he's a little older we're aging ourselves.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, he's uh early 90s like badass. Roy was a badass. He had a left hook from. His left hook was about as fast as anybody else's jab he may have the fastest hands in boxing history he was. Yeah, constitution of country. Girl said eric is perfectly average I ain't, except for my attire.
Speaker 2:My, my drip is off the chain you're trying to figure out that denzel movie man.
Speaker 1:Oh, you gotta figure it out, bro, I'm not gonna you gotta get. She's like who's Denzel?
Speaker 3:Am I allowed to Google? Oh, wait a minute, I don't know. Reel it in. I got it.
Speaker 1:I got it. She's like who the fuck's Denzel? Okay, delete loss at LOL. I've trained my whole life. There are very few women that can hang in a true fight or even a match. It's not personal. I love women that can hang in a true fight or even a match. It's not personal. I love women. They shouldn't be fighting men, um, and the goal is not to fight anybody in police work. But I think I think we're all adults. You can make those decisions for yourself and, like I said, there are plenty of dudes that I've been police officer, you know partners with and I'm like you're gonna get like you've got zero body weight, zero skill, like you're unathletic. You're gonna have a tough time if you can't get to your batman belt in time and hey man, everybody's allowed to sign up for that risk.
Speaker 2:All I need, if you do suck at fighting, grab some legs and hold just fucking hold on, but you can't or jump up and fish, fish, hook that face there's been a few since situations I remember with some dudes like I'm not the biggest guy, like, oh my gosh, I I put on such a great uh spiel out of my mouth to uh de-escalate them situations.
Speaker 1:I am not trying to mess with you yeah, I, I've told, I've straight up, like he's like like I had a. I'll give you an example I was getting gas at a gas station. That's not my beat, not my, not even my side of town, but it's in my city and I'm in my patrol car heading into work. So I'm in uniform, but I'm not like I'm not on duty, and the, the clerk comes out and I was like officer, are you here for for my guy? And I'm like fuck, no, what's up? I guess I am now until I can get some patrol officers over here.
Speaker 1:So I'm turning my radio on like there's a guy stealing inside. He's a homeless dude. He keeps coming up here stealing, leaving, coming up here stealing, leaving. We can never catch him. And I'm like all right, so go up there.
Speaker 1:He's in the bathroom, probably stuffing everything, and uh, comes out and I'm like, hey man, let's go talk outside. And so we start getting outside. He just keeps trying to walk and I'm like, hey man, come here. Hey police, stop. So now I got to touch him. So I just grab his shoulder and he turns and he's ready and I'm like I'm by myself, could I have? Just because you can doesn't mean you should, right man. So I'm like I don't want to fight this dude. Hey man, relax. I'm like if you continue down this route, I will fight you.
Speaker 1:I was like but I don't want to, I want to start over. I was like all I'm here for I don't know if you've stolen anything, all I'm here for is a criminal trespass, that's it. I just don't want you to come back. And that is how I and like he's like you touch me again, I'm going to fuck you up. I'm like listen, I guarantee you've been on these streets longer than me. You'll whoop my ass.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm just a clean, skinny white boy. I don't know how to fight, I don't know how to do any of that, and I was like I don't want to get hurt and I'm just trying to come up with as much groveling shit as I can to show him that he's a tougher dude than me. And it worked. All of a sudden, the cavalry comes in, because I had told him I need people to step it up. Two young officers get there and I was like now listen, they're going to come here. They're going to talk about a criminal trespass. Don't give them any shit. They're going to write you a piece of paper and you'll be on your way. But if you keep doing on body cam, I sound like a little bitch and you know what. But you know what? I went to work that day.
Speaker 2:Nothing, nobody got hurt yeah, that's called humility, brother. That's how that's how it should go. There's no ego that came into play. I've had the same experience a ton of times, but that's how this should go. So many less altercations would happen. So many less fights, resisting escalations like that's that's. That's what makes you good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think that and I, if I could teach that to, I try to teach that to all my guys and girls that work for me. As I'm a cat you may not know I'm'm a midnight supervisor. I'm out there on foot with them, I'm on bikes with them, I'm in the patrol cars with them. I don't micromanage, but I'm in their shit all the time. If that makes sense, I'm out there with them.
Speaker 1:Somebody I think it was Jesus is King. He's asking where I'm from. I don't say on here. It was Jesus is King. He's asking where I'm from. I don't say on here. I like, if you guys figure it out, it's on you. But I have to keep the podcast and where I work separate. So I hope you guys understand that. Kat's the same way Matt. I don't know what Matt can do. He's, he can punch that button anytime he wants. So he kind of can say and do whatever. You'll see where I'm from. Yeah Right, I kind of can say and do whatever the hell you want, if you Google me you'll see where I'm from yeah Right City I love yeah.
Speaker 1:So, Kat, what's a common tactic for you when you find yourself about to get into that shit and you're trying to avoid it?
Speaker 3:So just finding something that we relate on. Recently I had a female. Well prior to that, I spoke to this female's brother. They were going through a domestic. The brother lets me know where they grew up. Happens to be the same neighborhood that I grew up.
Speaker 3:So I get in the house. This woman is irate and I'm like how am I going to get her to calm down? How am I going to get her to calm down? She starts going down this road of you don't know me, you know we didn't grow up in the same parts this, that and the third. I'm like okay, but how do you know that? So a lot of times when you're able to let them know, like hey, you know what we have this in common and you're able to relate, it's that little window that gives you the opportunity to like lower things down. Let's take it down a notch. They see that you're similar and then they start to you know, cooperate. It's that simple. And then not being so aggressive the whole time, so like being able to slip in a joke here and there. You don't have to be so robotic to the point where they feel like they can't relate, and a lot of times that just works for me.
Speaker 1:Gotcha Okay, Fair Fair. I like that what you got Matt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you can always have a vigilant approach, you can be aware of your surroundings, but you can come for lesser word. You come across soft. I have a soft approach to people. If I'm dealing with a situation, hey, what's up brother, hold on a second, let me talk to you for a minute. You can have a pleasant, nice smile on your face. It's when, when you see these robocops coming up with just anger, all stiff, yeah, these are an example. When I, when I teach, when I teach like what if I came up to you, say what's up man? What if I came up to you and say what's up man? Or I just say, hey, how you doing man? It's such a different. The tension level it's all in your presentation. Whether you want to escalate or not, our job is to have that soft approach, to not have everyone pucker up when they see us. I think that should be the standard across the board. Ego-less.
Speaker 3:When you get those noise complaints for like parties and you respond to it and you know, if you get to the front of that door and the person opens the door, they go from having a good time at their party and they see you like, turn the music down. And you know, going off the list of commands, the probability of them turning down the music for you and just cooperating goes right down. Yeah, if you're like, you know what, listen, I see you guys are enjoying yourself. Can you just do me a favor? Just please lower the volume, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so it's. It's so much easier with honey and and and I'm just myself. I usually tell when, when I used to go to them calls all the time, my first thing I say is like man, I wish I was here with y'all, but I'm at work and I'm going to ask you for a plate before I leave. But can you somebody called? Can we just turn it down just a little bit? I don't want to have to come back here because then then the boss may have me make you guys shut it down.
Speaker 2:Stuff like it's so easy to do and just to come across as relatable. I shut it down. Stuff like it's so easy to do and just to come across as relatable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's funny too because I am a smiley guy as it is so. But, like you said, I try to kind of overtly do it anytime I'm about, like as I'm walking up, they haven't. They haven't made contact, like by talking to me yet, and I'm trying to disarm them before I even get up there and start speaking. So I'm smiling. Hey man, what's up? Officer Levine just come to tell you this is what's going on. You can disarm a lot of people right away just by giving them the information.
Speaker 1:Cops too often try to do this secret squirrel shit. Hey man, we got an investigation, we got to come over here. I'm like, shut the fuck up. Just tell them why you're there. Hey man, we got a call that there was somebody out here filming. I know, you know that that's a protected right. Like you're in public, I see you're in public. I just have to make scene because that's what my policies tell me to do. Everything looks good to me, man. I just want to say, hey, keep doing your First Amendment, rights Deuces. I'm out, unless you got any questions for me. No, you're good. All right, man, have a good day. That's it. It's really not that hard.
Speaker 1:So I I get frustrated when I see the secret squirrel shit from cops like that. Us as police officers, we need to stop doing that. That is one of the things. Information is your friend, it's your power. And when you give people that, that information that isn't super secret, like it disarms a lot of, that's your verbal judo, right there. It disarms them. Hey, I'm off, sylvan. Reason I pulled you over is you were going 78 and a 25. Is there any reason you were doing that? Give them an out. They may have a very valid reason why they were going 78. Us as cops, we're always like well, it's a case-by-case basis whenever we're trying to defend something. Well, it's the same for them. Just because they're going 78 doesn't necessarily mean they're guilty of something. I had a guy that had a knife hanging out of his back. He had a butcher's knife in his shoulder and he was going 72 miles an hour in a school zone. Well, I was young officer. So I come up to the window like an idiot and I'm like what the fuck are you doing? Go like I seen it, like, oh shit, well that that stopped. From that day I stopped coming up to that damn window with a preconceived notion and changed my whole approach. So that's things to consider, guys.
Speaker 1:But part of this show, one of the things that we do, is it's called Body Cam Reviews. Why do we call it Body Cam Reviews? Because we watch body cams on here together as cops and rather than Monday Morning Quarterback, we pretend that we are the cops in the body cam video. It's kind of a unique look. Nobody else does this.
Speaker 1:This is two cops, one donut LLC trademarked thing. It's not really trademarked, but yeah, it's what we do. It kind of gives you a unique look at the training. Now we got somebody from the New York area. We got Matt up there in Chicago, me down in Texas. You're going to get perspectives on how we would handle a call and you'll see that we all may have slightly different paths of how we're going to solve the puzzle, but it always leads to the same end goal. So kind of interesting that way. It's a cool look. I think that that's been one of the things that really has helped with us grow. Oh, I think Trey's bum ass finally got up in here. Got a late comer to the party, y'all oh shit.
Speaker 1:Representing the bloods. We got Trey what up, what up blood. That's the deal, man Dang bro.
Speaker 4:I didn't know. You was in the gang unit now, nah, nah nah, nah, I love it.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, you got some sound paneling in there. Yeah, come on, man don't play with me. You stepping up the game, that's what I'm talking about got that crispy camera going. Yeah, man, you know, cool, cool. So those who don't know, trey is a cop out in california. Uh, he is our trey. How long you been a cop? Almost three years, three years. He's our rookie. This is our rookie perspective. We give him shit all the time, but don't let him bully you trey, he has an educator's heart and he's been putting out content.
Speaker 1:Make sure you guys follow trey. He is our. Uh, I think, trey, you were the latest addition to the two cops. One donut stuff, right yeah, yeah yeah, yeah he was. He was kind of holding out because he was like I don't know, matt's a pretty big deal. I don't know if I'm ready for that type of game yet.
Speaker 2:Gosh then he saw my wife's neck being around right.
Speaker 1:He saw that his wife was making him wear a wife t-shirt that says his wife's name and had her pictures all over it. He gets on here and I'm thinking he's wearing like a band shirt, because he kind of like pointed it out and I'm like, oh, that's cool, that's what I thought it was. And I'm like I'm like who's? I can't think of who tenille is, but I was like he's. Maybe it's like an old 80s singer that I wasn't 70s and it turns out it was a t-shirt of his wife with her face all over it and her name running across the top.
Speaker 3:It's okay, my husband has one too. Oh no, hell, no, no no, no, no no.
Speaker 4:I had to turn in my player card, the.
Speaker 3:Valentine's Day is coming up. She's going to get you one.
Speaker 4:That's so funny. No, no, no, not me Delete.
Speaker 1:Laws said Matt's wife's legit. She is legit. Oh, thank you, chili man.
Speaker 2:He would not be able to get on here without her.
Speaker 1:Jeez, oh Pete. Let me accidentally hit my chat over here. I got to pop people's stuff up here, harrison Brock said One time a Kentucky trooper pulled me over and said he clocked me doing 15 over To myself. I said Bullshit, I was doing 35 plus over. The ticket was dropped to five over. There you go, captain into Neil. That's what country girl said.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what she was named after.
Speaker 1:I was going to say. That's probably what was subconsciously going out in my head. I just saw that name and I was like, okay, and I just couldn't figure out why but once you know it's my wife, oh shit.
Speaker 2:That's the mama was named after that's hilarious wife.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh shit, that's what mama was named after. That's hilarious, so but anyway, um, so what we're gonna do is we're going to I'm gonna hide the chat overlay right now, and then we're going to get to our body cam videos. All of these videos that we pulled tonight are going to be from police activity youtube channel, so I'm going to share. Nope, that's the wrong button. I'm going to share that screen right now. I'm going to share police activities actual youtube page. Make sure you guys go to them. We're not affiliated with them in any way. Um and uh, we, I swear we use them almost exclusively, so they got good uncut videos man yeah, yeah, it's all uncut, it's raw stuff.
Speaker 1:So make sure you guys go like subscribe. They don't really need, they're not hurting for people, but every little bit helps. Man, they got 6.35 million subscribers, so that's crazy, crazy. Um, okay, so we're gonna go to the first video. Share this tab instead. Uh, we have not watched these. Viewer's discretion is advised, as always. I understand. I wish to proceed. I'm going to pause. We're going to Biggie Size. Everybody ready? Cool, let's go.
Speaker 4:Hey, show me your hands. Show me your hands. Who's this?
Speaker 1:get on the ground. Get on the ground. Okay, I'll start, uh, cat, so you can kind of get your your feet wet on what we do here. We don't know know what the call is. I try not to read the titles of anything. I haven't looked at it yet. So we don't know what the call is. I can tell you right now if I'm this officer and I've already got my gun out. Obviously it's a semi-serious call. It's at nighttime and now I am chasing after somebody yelling at them to get on the ground. I need light and I need to watch every single one of my corners. If I lose sight of this person, if I'm alone, depending on what the call is, I may just call out a direction and and take a very safe approach to following this person, because I don't want to get ambushed cops too often they see the rabbit they chase and they're not. They get tunnel vision. So, matt, what do you got on this one?
Speaker 2:I was thinking the same thing to me that the way that he jumped out, I would guess and we do the guessing part just because it makes it more fun and yeah it's just fun, guys. I guess that is a weapons call. So he's obviously given chase. I got the same. Through my experience I've been in this situation a ton. You've chased to a certain point. But if you can, if it's a blind corner or something. Then you got the radio, you got some backup and you set something up.
Speaker 1:Gotcha Kat, what do you got?
Speaker 3:So yeah, it seems serious enough that you know, know he's giving chase after him, but again don't really know what the call is about. Um looks far enough that he might make it around that corner. That you can't see him and at that point I don't know that I would turn the corner, might have to call for backup because you don't know.
Speaker 1:You don't know what's coming around that yeah, I agree, and that that is my concern right here is we're we're actually in a really good position. I, I like this. Um, you got to remember, guys, when we're looking through a body cam, like it's not quite true to what we see, um, I would like to be behind a little bit of cover maybe the truck or maybe I don't know, that you can really use that house there. But, um, I'm gonna use my mouse, if you guys can see. Nope, you can't. Doesn't look like it there it is, so it looks like he's right about here. Um, so that that is definitely going to be concerned. Running with your gun out, that is also there's. There's mixed feelings about that. Depends on the on the call. If I know I'm dealing with somebody that is armed or there's a high potential for it, and I'm that close and it's nighttime, I may run with my gun out, even though it's a general orders violation. I may. Just depends, trey, what do you got?
Speaker 4:Yeah. So as a younger officer, I'm always like'm always like go, go, go when I'm chasing somebody and all the old heads. But tell me, like man, you don't gotta catch them, you just gotta, uh, get close enough to have a perimeter and get people use a radio to get people there. So I think in this situation I definitely would have been go, go, go and then the moment I lost sight I would have stopped, because whenever, whenever you do lose sight of somebody like that, they either hunker down or they're just going to went around a blind corner. Bro, this is not worth. Not worth it.
Speaker 1:We're in a blind corner.
Speaker 4:It's not worth it bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, edu said. One thing I know from playing ready or not is not to chase any if anybody has not played ready or not. It is a very realistic tactical police game. You can't just bum rush anything and expect to win. You can't go in there like a first-person shooter, like Call of Duty or anything. It's a game that holds you accountable. It's actually probably a good tactical training tool for police. I will say that.
Speaker 4:Have any of you guys seen that game? No, I've never seen that.
Speaker 1:I've never seen that one, that game. No, I ain't never seen that. I've never seen that one. I'm the only gamer here.
Speaker 2:All right, that's cool. I'm more of a.
Speaker 1:Madden guy yeah, yeah, if you don't play it on a PC, it don't count. I'm a Tecmo Bowl original Nintendo guy Hell yeah, brother, you get Bo Jackson, you was unstoppable.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. Or that Chiefs 49ers, we had a rule you couldn't play with Bo Jackson.
Speaker 1:I like to play with the Giants. I was a defense dude so I played with the Giants and Lawrence Taylor was just oh, lt, yeah, lt, yeah, dude. You couldn't stop him. He just kept going through lines sacking the quarterback, just pissing your friends off. Three and out, three and out.
Speaker 2:Every single time and don't get caught looking at the remote of the guy next to you. That was some fistfights. Oh yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, he picked hey I know that play he picked over and b I know that one too yep, try is like what's Nintendo.
Speaker 4:I'm old enough for that how old, are you Trey? 29. Okay.
Speaker 1:You, the baby here, dang Cat, got more time on the streets. Cat, older than you, still the rookie. I get no respect, trey man.
Speaker 4:I get no respect. What's up with that shit, man?
Speaker 1:Trey. When we say I get no respect, who are we paying homage to? I don no respect. What's up with that shit, man Trey. When we say I get no respect, who are we paying homage to?
Speaker 4:I don't know, damn, we're old Eric.
Speaker 1:Kat, who are we paying homage?
Speaker 3:to. I don't even know.
Speaker 1:Matt, let them know.
Speaker 2:Oh, the great Rodney, dangerfield Rodney.
Speaker 1:Dangerfield come on.
Speaker 4:No, I don't know.
Speaker 2:A wonderful 80s actor stand-up comedian man.
Speaker 1:He was great. Uh, what was the swimming movie where he, uh, he did the flying lundy or whatever the hell it was called?
Speaker 2:yeah, that was uh. Was it back to school, back to school that's what his name was in that, guys, and this is all useless information and we're probably losing yeah, all the viewers are just dropping his name in that movie was thornton melon. Remember that it was.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, I forgot all about that. That's hilarious. Oh shit, ozark moon lt was the bomb. Yeah, he was, yep, yep. Oh man, that's so funny, is going to be fun, because you got the boomers with the. I don't even know what generation to call you guys. What do you guys get called I?
Speaker 2:don't know.
Speaker 1:Damn. Just like some kids, man. They don't know shit. I don't be knowing. I don't be knowing.
Speaker 3:That's what my kids are on.
Speaker 1:I know right, go to your rooms until you know. That's what I would tell my kids. Why don't you go to your room and figure it out? Crazy, that's great. This is good though, what I like about this is it gives fresh, different perspective. Y'all grew up in policing, when there was always body cameras. Yeah, that's the only thing I know is body cams, right where matt and I we were in that transition, like we were there before cameras and then we were there when we had them.
Speaker 3:So I had a smidge of not having the body camera and after having one lawsuit with the body camera, I wouldn't I, I honestly, I would wear that for the rest of my career.
Speaker 1:I don't care. Can you, can you talk about that at all without specifics? Okay, um, that may be interesting for other officers, so they can help avoid falling into some shit.
Speaker 3:Somebody had alleged that I used excessive force and you know, I didn't even know I was being sued. It wasn't until later, you know, that my body camera was reviewed without me knowing. Everything was gotten rid of without my knowledge. I just got the results of it and I didn't know. Again, like I said, I didn't know I was being sued, but just the idea of me having to, like, stand up for myself and say, no, this is what I did, and people and their thoughts about cops and no, well, you know she must be lying or he must be lying because you know you think cops Well, a lot of people think cops and they think excessive force and anytime it's mentioned, yeah, it must have happened, the fact that I didn't have to say that that didn't happen and I didn't have to explain my point and they could just look at a camera.
Speaker 1:I was like this is awesome. I like that. I've actually had a very. I've talked about it on the show.
Speaker 1:I got investigated, didn't know it, um, and the IA uh, investigator was nice enough, cause it's not even required for them to let you know Uh was nice enough to hit me up. I was like hey, I just want to let you know we had to investigate. You got complained on your body cam, exonerated you. It was unfounded and everything was good. And I said, holy shit, like you know, you get that whole roller coaster right away. You're like what the fuck? Like, what did I do? And he said the reason I'm calling you and this is props to any IA investigator out there positive reinforcement is really what he was doing. Hey, keep doing what you're doing. You were working a part-time and you still had your body camera and you activated it, like you're supposed to, and he goes and it saved your butt. He's like you know, not that you, you were in a lot of danger or anything like that.
Speaker 1:Um, I didn't put hands on anybody, they just said that I was disrespectful. And, uh, turns out I was not. I was very polite, I was. I was the epitome of Matt Thornton in the streets. So, um, we love everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um listen, how did you feel about that cat and you, both you. I was. I questioned both of you. Did you feel about that Kat? Both of you? I was going to ask a question for both of you. Did you feel like you would rather have known, or did that finding out spook you?
Speaker 3:So I'm glad that I didn't know I was being investigated. I'm glad that they came to me with the results and I'm glad that they looked at the camera without asking me anything Like.
Speaker 3:I'll take that any day, because it takes a lot of the stress off me, a lot of the wondering off me, and you know a lot of times, with how many calls we go through, you don't remember who you spoke to and you're like you know, did I say this? Did I do that? And even though you know you're operating well, you're always like but, but what if I had a bad day? Did I say something wrong? But that camera is always there so you can always go back and check and, you know, review your evidence and whatnot.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I would think if you know that's, that's one of the mental health strains, like if you've been investing, you know how they drag that out which I think is reprehensible by a brass to drag that out for any amount of time you got to work, sometimes months, knowing that something's hanging over your head, no matter how big or small it is. Yeah, I think it's a that's a blessing that they didn't tell you at a time, because if you didn't do anything wrong and you, that's uh yeah I agree because when, like I said, that whole emotional roller coaster hit me like right away, because you're instantly like, you're like what the fuck did I do like sometimes I say dumb shit, like I don't even know.
Speaker 1:I said you know, um, I for those that know me, I I'm not a good, but I like to sing all the time. And so I was like, was I singing? Did somebody catch me singing? Like, was I singing like a rap song or some shit? Like I listened to a lot of rap, like I grew up in Flint, like that was my favorite music growing up. So now you know I'm, you never know where the fuck you get caught saying so it was like shit and had no idea it was involving an actual call. So, uh, it worked out in my favor and that's what I like. I said I, I knew that with body cams, I I saw I was one of the few that transitioned, that was really excited about it.
Speaker 1:I was embracing the change, I loved it. Oh, I was stoked too. Yeah, I was like man, this is what we needed. But I want to get to Edu's comment. She, he or she I'm sorry, I don't know if that's a male or female name, so I don't want to be an asshole Seems. Body cams help both honest cops and the rest of us. I agree, that's their purpose. Yeah, that's, that is their purpose. I think overwhelmingly that the body cams have shown that police, for the most part day to day, are doing their job, doing what they're supposed to do. Um, and it's actually pissed off some people to the point where they are protesting the release of body cam footage, saying that it's showing other people in an unfavorable light and I'm like that that's a good problem to have. That's a better problem to have than it's showing a rampant. Like you know, there's 350 million calls approximately per year for officers guys. But the problem is not every department has body cams, there's some that don't have them at all.
Speaker 2:I don't know how that is, yeah.
Speaker 1:One of our friends that we've had on the show a few times, frank Sloop from Pinell County. They don't have body cameras.
Speaker 1:And they don't want them, he wants them, frank wants them. Frank's like no, I want them. He's always got a camera crew with him anyway, but yeah, they don't have them. The platform that they're trying to go off of is that our officer's word has worked for this long. It should continue to work, and it's not that I don't think an officer's word shouldn't be good, but if I can have as much evidence to show that I can get, that's what I want yeah, it just doesn't seem transparent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, I love this guy's name. Trog Lodite said transparency is always the best way. Body cam.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go. There's Trog. I love that dude. I love that Speak of a good man. I love that dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that is so. This pisses off cops when I say this, but I truly love that First Amendment. Auditing is a thing I really do and they show just how important cameras are. So if you're a cop, that's out there and oh, they're just assholes. Some are just like there's some asshole cops. Guys, it's not illegal to be, yeah, like you swore, to uphold the constitution like so if it's a First Amendment right, it's not a right just because it's convenient, it's a right from Bernie.
Speaker 2:You know how my feelings are. I'm right with you, brother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think this is what brought Matt and I together, guys, honestly, especially our love for the First Amendment. Me being in Texas, I have a love for the Second Amendment as well. So, constitutional said edu is a heat is a. He do my bad. Appreciate that, my man, yeah. Um.
Speaker 1:Ryan holzinger said grady judd is a camera whore. Uh, I can't disagree. He does get in front of the camera quite a bit. So what is how about? Okay, I like these. How about when body cameras are muted? Now, we've touched on this before on the podcast several times.
Speaker 1:Where Matt and I stand, kat, on muting, is you should not be able to mute the camera period Once it's activated. It needs to be activated from the beginning of the call, as soon as you get dispatched that my thought, not when you get unseen. Okay, this is matt. You tell me what you think about this if I'm in the patrol car and I get dispatched. Hey, king 720, you got a call over at dot dot 10-4. Show me in route. Boop, boop, boop. Camera's on. That's when it should be turned on. It doesn't matter if it takes me 10 minutes to get to that call. I'm not turning it on right before I arrive on scene, I think it should be activated the moment you get dispatched and you accept the call. That's me. It doesn't mean I'm right, but that's my feelings on it. You're on the call, that thing stays on, it doesn't get turned off, it stays on the whole time.
Speaker 1:If something and here's my argument because people are like well, there's certain information, there's tactics and stuff like that need to be muted, that needs to go into the scrubbing phase. When somebody does a FOIA, when they do that Freedom of Information Act, that's when that stuff can be muted or scrubbed or whatever. That's not your job as a cop, don't worry about that shit. And if they don't have the staff or it takes too long, well, that's another hole in the process we need to work on. So when people do these Freedom of Information Act things and they're like we want all of your footage, well, think about it.
Speaker 1:Now somebody does have to go to because there is protected information, there's HIPAA stuff, there's children, there's just a lot of information that can. So that Ohio recently just did a thing where they charge you for getting that information because somebody has to go through and redact stuff. So, like I know, I'm asking a two-parter here, matt. I'm sorry, but first off, matt, when do you think they should or should not be able to mute it? And then what is your opinion on them charging for getting that Freedom of Information Act stuff?
Speaker 2:We've talked about this. The mute should never happen. If it's something sensitive, redact it later. That's what you got records clerks for, they can do that. That's what you got evidence people for to do that. And I'm just, I don't think you should charge at all. I think that's the gauging of the citizens. It should come in. They pay taxes. It should just be on the house.
Speaker 2:Okay, interesting, I understand if it's some lengthy, if it's going to take 40 man hours to do there, some lengthy, right, if it's going to take 40 man hours to do, there's got to be something maybe considered. But you like pd's that will charge you the victim of something? Oh, you need ten dollars to to get a copy of your report. Like I was a victim. Why do I got to pay for this stuff?
Speaker 1:I get that.
Speaker 3:I'm I'm gonna give my opinion, but I want to hear cats first so on muting um, originally I was going to say like I think there's times that you can mute your camera. You know if you're talking to other officers you're not with the person that you're responding to the call for. But you know, if you go into the part of redacting stuff later, then there's no need to mute it. You know there really isn't. Thank you.
Speaker 2:There really isn't.
Speaker 3:But again, do they have the manpower to do that? I don't know.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:The charging people for a video that should absolutely be free. It's their right to view that. They were there. I think it should be free. But again the manpower. I don't know where they're going to find that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I will give you my kind of insight as a person that edits, because I do all the podcast stuff for us and edit and do excuse me do that stuff and for me it's a beatdown and I'm not watching everything. I'm not watching, like, if we do this podcast, this thing, that this live stream we're doing, if we do this for four hours, whatever it is, I don't watch the whole thing. I kind of cut here, cut there on points that I know about and then that's it. Imagine watching an hour-long body cam video but there's seven officers on scene like I. I'm just trying to give you, you guys, the idea behind it, because I don't know how familiar you are with editing. So, holy shit, the manpower that would have to go behind or the time that it would take just to get through that. I hear you. Now, matt. Here's my thing. What if it's somebody that's not involved in the call? They're just trying to get police activity. They just want the videos so they can do their their stuff. They have nothing to do with the call.
Speaker 2:I think I think when you type a report or you do something like that, it shouldn't be that many cases that, unless obviously the juvenile will be the huge one, cause you got that information. But there's gotta we got, we gotta kind of come up with a way for it.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, bro.
Speaker 2:It means more work than than we got to find some way to allocate it. Yeah, it's a reality. I know I don't have all the answers right now and it could be long and complicated and this and that, but I mean we we have expenditures for a lot of different things that we can go into reallocating funds. I'm not a defund the police guy at all whatsoever. I'm for reallocating to things that actually will bring the public and us together. So I think that we'd have to bite the bullet on that one, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'll make my stance now. I agree with you. It should be free. I'm with you on that. However, we don't have the capabilities yet. So that's where I'm like, well shit, what do we do? We don't have the bodies, we don't have the people. You're not going to get cops to do it, so you got to have civilians do it. Can you outsource that stuff? You can't outsource it, and AI is not there yet. So it will be Guaranteed, it will be. So. These are some of the logistics behind that. So I'm just trying to make people understand, because if you get, like what was the dude's name? Laws, delete Laws, like if you get him, and then you get another auditor and another auditor and they're like all of them Freedom of Information Act, and they hit your department up we want all your video footage from 2024. They can make that request, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess that's the thing I would think that you would have some sort of, uh, some sort of scope that would be, understand, a reasonable scope, that that, okay, we can do such and such um for this amount of time, or how, whatever happened, yeah yeah um, so it's an interesting topic like it is it is.
Speaker 1:I didn't mean to get into that rabbit hole, guys. We haven't even finished the video we were watching, so. But this is what we cat, this is what we do.
Speaker 1:We get down rabbit holes, we just oh yeah, we always saw, we do all night long no matter what it is the body cam videos and stuff like that's fun for us to sit there and bullshit about. But this is really what it's about. It's about interacting with these guys, questions what they have, what their concerns are, and us putting it out there from our perspective. So, um, it's going to be cool because you've got us with art. You know, I've got 18 years, matt's got 87 years of experience, so you got all that experience and then you've got seven. So our perspectives are going to be different. Um, and then you got trey, who's just graduated the academy. So we got that. Uh, I don't know where he went. He didn't pay his cable bill or what.
Speaker 1:I who knows, who knows my man came in here dressed like a blood, I just had to give him some shit. But Wade Lucero said just put all the body cams on public website unredacted. You can't do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it would be too dangerous. I understand they want transparency, but the first thing that pops in my head not even the juveniles, it's the people that give information.
Speaker 3:You can get some people murdered. That exactly.
Speaker 1:I was just gonna say that you read my mind like addresses it's too much, yeah, it's, it's just, uh, yeah you, you literally will get people killed. This is why it's hard to get people to talk in the first place, so um yeah that'll definitely that would hurt society.
Speaker 1:One of the best things that came out was oh, michigan. I got a Michigan person in here. I'm going to pop their comment up here. But one of the best things that have come out is the ability to report anonymously through the internet. That's been one of the best things that could have come out, because now you don't have cops showing up to your house while you're trying to give information but you want to help your community, so something to consider.
Speaker 1:Michigan Constitutional Crusader, shout out, I don't know you, I saw Michigan up there. It came right to my heart. Brother, I'm from Flint so I live in Texas now, but I'm still a Wolverines fan, baby, detroit Tigers, detroit Red Wings, all of it. So shout out to you guys. He said I can get all of my freedom of information act request in illinois for free because I am a legit member of the press with credentials. Oh, okay, I didn't know that. Uh, press credentials was how you get that stuff so interesting. Um, going through the comments here, uh, aunt boy, aunt boo and bow. Aunt bow looks like he's got the dude is a picture. I can't tell. Uh, what's the deal with california body cam? Bcw body cam? I don't know what that is, footage being damn near impossible to get most of the time.
Speaker 1:I don't know if we had yeah if we had trey here, that son of a bitch yeah, I, I talked to our records, ladies.
Speaker 2:Quite a bit we get. We get quite a few for us. I mean, it's part of the job now yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 1:Um, michigan, uh said it's a it's little known. Um, yeah, I didn't know that. That's that's cool to know. That helps us out later on when we start talking about shit. So, um, all right, let me, let's, let's go back to this video. We haven't even remotely finished it, so share screen and it isn't even that long share. Uh, we are going to hide the chat somehow. Hide chat overlay. How's this view? Is this one better? I like that better. Let's go with that one.
Speaker 2:Trey texted and said his son was acting up, so he's on one.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, no worries.
Speaker 2:He's good though.
Speaker 4:Yeah he can hop back in anytime. I'm going to shoot you. Get your hands up, show me your hands. Show, get your hands, show your hands, show me your hands.
Speaker 1:don't reach okay, so um cat, I'm gonna let you lead this one off okay the threat of I'm gonna shoot you and then into the shot, like how are you gonna handle that, um, from the point where you're getting close enough where you can start giving verbal commands?
Speaker 3:so I I don't know why he shot. I don't know if he saw like the angle or I don't know what he saw that made him shoot. Um, I'm assuming it was him that shot and not the other guy that shot at him, correct?
Speaker 1:I, I believe so. I didn't even know if there's another person with him. Is there?
Speaker 3:I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I heard I heard two shots. So right now that his hands are up, um, I'm going to have him um try to roll over. Well, I don't know if there's anything on his left side of heat goes onto his left side, but if I could get him to get onto his knees, put his hands up like this and just stay like that until I can get him into custody, I'm okay with that, as long as I don't see anything near him that he can grab okay, um, for me, uh, the hey, I'm gonna fucking shoot you or whatever it was he said um, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't like that to be led. I don't want you just talking to people that way. However, um, if you're chasing after somebody and you keep telling them stop, stop police, stop police. And you know you're about to possibly have to use force, I don't mind cursing at somebody because you're trying to avoid using force. If that makes sense. It's a last-ditch effort. Tell your dog. I said what's up man? Yeah, I'm going to let him out real quick. I can still hear you, though I'll keep it going.
Speaker 1:It's a last effort to try to prevent using force. So, is it unprofessional? Yes, is it something that should be discussed and you need to be able to articulate? Well, I'm going to ask you, as your supervisor why did you talk that way? And then you're going to be able to tell me well, I could see a gun. I didn't want to have to shoot him, and I said that, hopefully, maybe he didn't try to do anything dumb. Okay, cool that I can get along with. You violated general orders, but that is an acceptable reason to violate them. Cool, we're good For me looking at this. I'm just going to hold what I got. I'm going to tell him stay right where you're at. I can see his hands. I don't need him moving anymore.
Speaker 1:I don't want to make him get up to his knees. I don't want to make him do anything that may make him make a movement that he didn't mean to make, because his stress, our stress level, is going to be high. His is a million times more than what ours is going to be, so I don't want him to do anything stupid. I can see his hands. That's what can kill me, so I'm just going to hold that. I'm going to try to take cover if I can, um, but from right here I'm going to say stay right there. And then I'm going to start calling in the troops where I'm at. If I'm alone, um, if I'm not alone, I'm going to tell my partner we're going to communicate. Hey, I got, I got cover. Call it it out so somebody knows to get on the radio and tell them where we're at.
Speaker 2:That's how I would have matt. What do you got? I pretty much echo that saying one, one of the one of the styles I like, because I just I speak what's on my mind and in my heart, um, I don't want to shoot anybody, I don't want to hurt anybody. So I always say it always comes out of my mouth, like bro, I don't want to shoot you, I don't want to shoot you, I don't want to hurt you. Keep your hands up, man, we're going to solve this. And you just start, you deescalate immediately. So I think that's what your point is. I guess you got space. You got all the time in the world. He looks like he's cooperating. Obviously you don't. You don't run right up there.
Speaker 1:You got people coming and say hold up, we got somebody coming. I just want you to stay right there. Yeah, your tone is everything. Yeah, your tone and your breathing is everything in those situations. And let them know, hey, man, I don't know if you're hit, but we got to help you now. So, like, let them know, like that's your concern, hey, I got to help you. Like, this is what we got to do. That's where we're going to go from here, as long as you just stay right there.
Speaker 1:And then I want to get to Brandar86's comments. He said what if all your officers use the response? I talked that way because I thought I saw a gun. It doesn't fly Thinking something.
Speaker 1:If you think something and you're wrong in 52 different body cam videos for the past month, that's going to show that's the beauty of body cam videos for the past month. That's going to show that's the beauty of body cams, guys. It shows a pattern. So that's something to keep in mind. Bad cops weed themselves out. Body cams help weed out bad cops faster. So if you're repeatedly being that guy, well, I thought he had a gun. Well, I thought he had a gun. Well, he was resisting. Well, he was resisting. Well, he was resisting, this guy was resisting. It shows a pattern. And then when you watch the video and it doesn't support that, and then you look at the investigation and that doesn't support that. The facts. They're like air bubbles in the water they bring themselves to the surface. So they may be down there a ways, but eventually it's going to get to the top. That's just the way I see it. I'm one part.
Speaker 3:Kat, what do you think? I agree, if you consistently see a pattern, then at what point do you not deny it? You see it, it's clear, know, I agree with what you guys said. As far as you know, the verbiage could be different. Again, I'm not really sure what led to his shots or what led to him saying that, because I really can't see other than him. I couldn't even put his hands up, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, delete laws said, if we can get the body cam, if it's not hidden or deleted where I'm at, absolutely do not have even the capabilities of deleting.
Speaker 2:If that does happen, they should be in prison. Jilly Absolutely. That should never happen. Yeah, that should be like somebody needs to be made an example of. If that happens Absolutely 100% agree, 100% agree.
Speaker 1:Like there's somebody needs to be made an example of if that happens. Absolutely 100 agree, 100 agree. Um, I'm looking at the the chat over here. Mr billfold has oh shit, mr billfold has gifted a membership to somebody. Uh, I don't know who got it, but uh, let's see. It looks like patrick, true love, was gifted a membership by mr billfold hey, hey, patrick's a good man too.
Speaker 2:Mr Billfold's a good man, my man.
Speaker 1:Mr Billfold's a good dude. He's been turning me on to a lot of stuff that I haven't watched Audit, the Audit I have seen those videos but I didn't, you know. It's like you see a clip of somebody stealing his content and I didn't realize who.
Speaker 1:I was listening to his content and I didn't realize who I was listening to, and then he put a video on that. If we get time tonight, I actually have it queued up. Mr Belfold, I didn't forget about you. I actually queued it up and you weren't on here at the beginning. I was going to talk to you earlier, before we got started, if you were on here. So I have it queued up. We may be able to get to that later tonight. We'll see. See what everybody's time frame is. I may be on here by myself, I don't know I got till 10.
Speaker 2:I'm on.
Speaker 1:It's a hard 10 o'clock no worries, no worries, I got you brother, so, um, but uh, as far as deleting video goes, I don't know how you would even get away with that these days. I guess it just depends on who. Like I, we have Axon where I'm at. You can't delete it, and even if you did, there is a log and a record of every single person that accesses it tells how long they watched it, it tells you if they downloaded a video. It tells you if they sent that video to somebody else, it tells you if they copied anything from the transcripts. Anything, anything. Any keystroke is measured and and logged, and that's how it should be. That's that transparency and accountability that you want. That's why I'm such a big fan of the way axon handles evidence. It's fucking great. It really is, um, but there's other things out there like watch guard. I think it's called WatchGuard. What do you guys have where you're at, kat?
Speaker 3:Axon same thing Axon. We've got Axon too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, axon's a shit man. They've got Monopoly, so delete laws. I don't know how familiar you are with my page. Delete Me and Matt, same page type of guy. I'm not gonna shy away from anything that I can help it like if it's work related. Um, I can't, I just can't man. Um, uh. So I hope you understand that, but I do appreciate. And if, if matt says you're a good dude, I'm 100, so I'm going to put your stuff up there too. So, um, body cam hidden two years, cops off, tim on camera and there's been zero accountability see, that's crazy to me. Um, do I think that that's just because it's cops that you're wrong? No, I don't fucking believe that for a second. We've been caught doing some shady ass shit as police. It's, yeah, it. It's like to sit there and think that all cops and police all over the world, like I said, this ain't a fucking echo chamber.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we gotta own I know chili from delete laws. He knows my heart and uh, I'm, I love that dude. He, he just wants transparency and accountability too. I've had many conversations with him. Uh, he, he really does mean well yeah, um, and Andy Fletcher Shit.
Speaker 1:I haven't got any of his comments up here tonight. He's a regular, unless you have high power lawyer, you don't know, and that is fair. That's how the system's set up. You get a public defender. You may get a gem. That does happen occasionally. You may get a gem with a public defender, but the system is set up that it does not favor those that are financially struggling. That's how I've seen it. How do you have you seen it, matt?
Speaker 2:I yeah it's, believe me, I, I agree 100. It's sad, it's yeah it is.
Speaker 2:It is fucking sad I experienced that as a young man. Um, fortunately I had a dad to help me pay for the legal troubles I got in when I was a young man and I just think that because I've seen parallels from kids that I've mentored. The exact same charge that I had. I got caught with a pistol when I was a youngster. The exact same charge, but they didn't have a daddy like mine that helped me out pay the bill. They got popped with a felony. Why mine got dropped? It didn't. It doesn't make sense, doesn't seem just to me.
Speaker 1:I don't like that yep, that's why I tell people the best cops are. Everybody wants a cop that went to four years of college and did all this shit. Listen, I got a degree. It didn't make me a better cop, but I also grew up on that fucking line of doing dumb shit as a kid and not in in in trying to stay the right path. Uh, so it made me a better cop. That's my opinion. I guarantee it made Matt a better cop. Um, what's your thoughts, kat?
Speaker 3:Um so I went to a private school.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:But, um, I was always doing silly stuff. I was, you know, had great grades, but I was into art. My parents could not understand that. They wanted me to go the medical route and I was kind of like just pushing whatever buttons I could, getting tattoos at 13. So, yeah, I did some stuff, but Okay, um, matt knows about tattoos.
Speaker 1:I got a couple.
Speaker 1:He didn't start getting them though until he was like 38. Untrue, Fake news, Fake news, Fake news. Um so listen, Kat, this is kind of a I like. I like that you have such a unique background because you're going to be able to give such a unique perspective. Um, one of the questions I would ask is how does somebody like you show up as a rookie, like your, you know, first couple of trying to fix a domestic of problems that has been developing the last 15 years, and try to get there and command a scene and talk people through that?
Speaker 3:That's a tough one. Even for somebody with time on it's a tough one. You again go back to trying to be being relatable, hear each other out. You're not going to get to the bottom of their problem but you're trying to. You know, at least command the scene to the point where everybody's safe, If you can talk to one of them and try to have one of them leave for the night, just to kind of mediate the situation. You know, it might just be one night but at least you took care of it for now, because you're not going to change their lives in that instant moment.
Speaker 3:There's no magic words, that is, that are going to make them realize. You know, maybe we shouldn't be fighting, maybe we shouldn't be. You know xyz at the time, but give them what you can if you have any knowledge about whatever it is they're arguing about or whatever be. You know X Y, Z at the time, but give them what you can If you have any knowledge about whatever it is they're arguing about or whatever it is. You know they're going through, you give it, but again, it's just the safety at the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think when you humble yourself Matt likes to say this when you humble yourself, like so, exactly what you said, like for me and I've done this even as a cop of you know, 10, 15 years when I was doing it I would show up and be like, listen, you guys have been together longer than I've been a cop. There's nothing that I'm going to be able to tell you that that I can help fix this. But here's what I have available to me and this is my options because of what you guys have told me. Like, right now I have no violence. I've got a verbal argument only. So I'm going to make suggestions, so I don't have to come back out Now. You guys can take them or leave them, but no illusions that we're going to solve the problems tonight.
Speaker 1:So, if everybody's looking out for the best interest of their loved one and I try to make them remember they love each other let's be the person that has an option to go somewhere else. Let's do that. But, like you said for my suggestion for you young officers out there, don't try to be something you're not, don't try to pretend. Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from. No, the fuck, you don't. You don't. You don't, even if you, even if you're old like me and matt like you, sometimes we still don't.
Speaker 1:All we can do is say, man, like this is how my life is, this is how my wife is, this is what I've seen, uh, and it may be close, but it probably isn't. And you, you just tell them like I can't say that I know what you're going through, but here's my options, this is what I can do. That's how we start getting into that verbal judo. But humbling yourself, officers, that is the way to go and it sounds like, kat, that's exactly what you were talking about is just being able to say like, hey, I can't solve your problems and yeah, I understand I've never been through what you're going through, but here's what I can do. So I think that's a good approach. I like that. Yeah, it's human.
Speaker 2:It is yeah, being human.
Speaker 1:You just gotta be human.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely Nothing disarms people easier than just being a human being.
Speaker 1:Yeah, somebody was asking is delete laws? They can't see his chat. He is under um matt's youtube channel and I don't know why it's not showing up for y'all. So, um, I don't know how that works. I don't know how it works either. We, we are working on getting obs. That's going to be um, we're going to switch platforms, uh, from restream what we use to obs, so that way everybody's stuff can just be incorporated into one thing. I just don't know how to use it, so that's why we need alan, and alan's gonna get that going for us. Uh, delete law said you can't make cops. You, you can't make cops good when they are taught these policies, procedures and protocols torture cuffs are always torture.
Speaker 2:What do you got for that, matt? Hold on one second, let me get this dog first, you son of a bitch.
Speaker 1:I'll take the tough question then Policies and procedures and protocols, that is, they're not laws. So every cop has their own discretion on how they implement those things. So this is why I get into. It's more important for you. I would rather and we talked about this on the last one, I was on high school diploma versus being a high school graduate that immediately went to college for four years and then jumps into being a cop. Why? Because you're going to be more socially adept than the person more likely to be socially adept than the person that did four years of college and jumped right into police work. That having a degree does not make you a better cop. Social skills that is 99.98 percent of the job. Social skills that's my opinion, cat, what do you think were you? Was I talking right at you and not knowing it?
Speaker 3:uh no, I. I was a visual merchandiser before this. I didn't even imagine becoming a cop. I was again in the creative role and I thought I was going to be in the creative role for a while and I had somebody kind of change my mind about it and then I got into policing. So I had no intention of becoming a cop.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you didn't know you wanted to be a police officer. No, how the fuck did you get into police work?
Speaker 3:So I was taking classes and one of my professors I like crime shows, like documentaries.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:I love Joe Kenda the detective and that was always interesting to me, but I never saw myself in any of those roles.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 3:So I was doing visual merchandising at the time and I was going to school and I had a professor. This man would walk into the room. He would always jingle the coins in his pockets. He would always jingle the coins in his pockets. And this was a class on crime and, like you know how to handle certain situations. But it was also a little bit of, I felt, like he was bordering psychology and there was always these questions about what would you do in this situation? What would you do? And he was a retired police captain from the city.
Speaker 3:So one day a test came up and he's like I think you should take the test. And I'm like, no, thank you, I was in visual merchandising, I plan to be in visual merchandising. He's like, no, I think you should take a test. So every day he would tell me you know, you should take the test, you should take the test. Finally, I'm like I just want him to stop asking me. I'm going to take the test. So I took the test and I found myself sitting about, sitting on the couch, thinking about it, like, okay, who would I be if I was in that role? How would I act? And I knew what I didn't like. And he always said well, you know what you don't like, so just don't be that cop. So just don't be that cop. And I scored 100 and I got on and I stayed on.
Speaker 1:And you like it.
Speaker 3:I like it, yes, awesome.
Speaker 1:I like that. I actually one of my best friends from my department, his roommate, was scheduled to go take the civil service test. He was like I don't want to take it alone, come with me. And he went and took it with him, take it alone, come with me. And he went and took it with him. Well, my friend who was in the academy with me now he passed it and then his buddy didn't score high enough, so he ended up being a badass cop, like I mean, amazing detective, amazing detective. So shout out to Witten. And now he's a sergeant and we're sergeants together.
Speaker 1:And it's just fun because here I got a guy that didn't. I always knew he was gonna be a cop. He didn't know he was gonna be a cop. And when I talk about bartenders specifically, he's one of those dudes I'm talking about, because that's what the fuck he was doing before he became a cop and he became a badass cop. So I subconsciously that's exactly who I'm talking about is my buddy, whitten. So shout out whitten. Um, amazing cop, amazing sergeant. Uh, love the dude. And um, yeah, his the.
Speaker 1:The way he can talk to people is because of what he did, growing, you know, and he had no clue he wanted to be a cop. He ended up being a great cop. No college degree, nothing like that. So, fucking mr billful, everybody's trying to get me to change the settings and stuff. I'm I don't have the capabilities of doing that right now. Between that, the smoke wagon and chatting guys, I can't do all those things. But let's finish this video. I want to see how this thing plays out. We've only gotten through one video so far. It's kind of funny. I love it. All right, here we go.
Speaker 4:Don't reach. Keep your hands up, looks like he's keeping his hands up. He was reaching towards his waistband. Get on your stomach, I shot.
Speaker 1:Okay, listen, cops. One talks Both of you are barking commands. You're going to get this person hurt. We see this far too often. I've seen videos just on felony stops One person saying keep your hands up, the other one saying spin in a circle, and the other one's like get on your knees If any of the other officers are trying to perceive what the commands are, you're fucking with your own people. You're fucking with the person that's getting commands shut up. This dude fired. He was already given commands. It's his call. Let him do his thing. Um, I had to gotta stop for a second. Marine blood said something he hadn't been talking all night. So, uh, shout out, marines blood. Uh many calls shouldn't be made and should be handled domestically. The main problem is too many people these days are so immature and stupid cannot talk it out or figure it out on their own, yeah, and then they rely on police to solve all of their problems, and sometimes we come and we just enhance the problem.
Speaker 2:That's where you need to have a de-escalator, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, it's kind of like a Terminator, but the exact opposite. Yes, yeah, it's kind of like a Terminator, but the exact opposite.
Speaker 4:Dad jokes.
Speaker 2:That's what we do. Pretty soon it'll be grandpa jokes.
Speaker 1:Right yeah, hey, I got cat to laugh.
Speaker 2:So I still got it, baby. I'll put your statement there. Guys, I'm going to say with the two commands yeah, I have trouble playing. Remember the old game Simon says I had trouble playing. Imagine if there was three Simons trying to keep up in a stress level. Yeah, Up as high as it is with guns, and if I like like one, everyone shut up.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Let one guy go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he do brings up a great case. It reminds me of Philando Castile, yeah.
Speaker 2:Philando Castile.
Speaker 1:Give me your ID. Don't reach for the gun. Yeah, oh my God, that poor kid that was crawling in the hallway of a hotel.
Speaker 2:That's the worst one. Yeah, oh, my God, I'm going to get in a bad mood if I leave the thing.
Speaker 1:But that would really, really make me mad. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, I'm the same. Do you know which one we're?
Speaker 3:referring to yeah, I don't know the one in the hallway one yeah, there's a.
Speaker 1:It's a hotel hallway thing. You'll, if you just look up that, you'll see. Um, I don't want to get into that one right now. That's not the point of this one and it just, like matt said, it just just fucking pisses me off. So, um, I don't want to talk about that one. Uh, let's see here, keep playing. Where's the play button? There we go.
Speaker 4:Let's give it a custom.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we're communicating. You know what I love that they're doing here, matt. That oftentimes we see in these videos is they're not just sitting there letting this motherfucker bleed out, they're getting up there Like god it drives me. And listen, guys, it only takes two of you. One cover one. Go up like this. We need 17 officers before we can approach.
Speaker 2:Oh, we'll wait 10 minutes for a shield and this, that and that, like dude. Right, there's a human being down there. Yeah, it's sad that you did something. Just had to happen to him if he had a weapon and it was a legit shoot.
Speaker 1:But man, go get that dude, somehow that's still a human being Right, and that's what we signed up for you know, Like you try to tell other cops like, oh, I don't want to get shot, like, listen, sometimes you got to earn your paycheck, yeah, you to earn your paycheck. Yeah, you fired the gun, now you've got to pay the piper. It's time to get up there and start taking care of what we got to take care of, like now. Don't get me wrong if he's sitting there holding an ak, I'm not telling you that, but we can see his hands yeah like get the fuck up certain risks that we take in this job is accepted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. Um, taylor made I don't think I've said anything from TaylorMade tonight Create that arrest plan. One goes hands-on, the other covers. Yeah, agreed, it doesn't take a lot of communication, it's just a matter of communicating. Oops, I'm sorry, I was trying to share Delete laws because nobody said they can see it. Matt, I'm bringing in some people. Hell yeah, do it Chili. Matt, I'm bringing in some people. Hell yeah, man, do it Chili. Can I call you Chili? I'm sorry, man, I don't mean to yeah that's.
Speaker 3:Chili, I heard you calling him.
Speaker 1:Chili. So that's what I was going to say too, so I apologize. So, all right, let's keep going. I want to just see, I want to see him get up to the cuffing part and start rendering aid, and we'll go. All right, I don't like crossing in front of your buddy. But oh, there's another holy shit. They got a lot of cops there.
Speaker 4:I didn't expect that hey, check them, but I don't think I hit him.
Speaker 1:I'll check you said he hit my head, he hit my head.
Speaker 4:Ooh, his leg, and his leg, what was?
Speaker 1:that Kat. I thought, he said leg. Yeah, he said. I think he said I swear, I'll go back, I'll fuck it, I'll go back, I swear. He said head, you hit my leg, you hit my leg.
Speaker 4:I heard the leg. You hit my leg, what up, what up, what up. Hey, check him. But I don't think I hit him. I'll check.
Speaker 1:Did you hear head right there? I heard leg.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go back one more time because I swear I keep hearing him say head. Somebody tell me I'm not crazy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm going to go back one more time, because I swear I keep hearing him say head.
Speaker 1:Somebody tell me I'm not crazy. Hey, check him. I don't think I hit him.
Speaker 2:I'll check he hit his leg, he hit my leg All right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a leg. It was a leg. Yeah, my bad, I was doubling down on that motherfucker. Oh shit, all right, oh shit, all right, oh shit. Is that what I meant to do? Share screen, share, Bam, bam, bam, boom. All right, we'll get into this next one here. It's like we're doing a traffic stop, basic stuff here. Person's pulling over Not exactly where I want them to pull over, but Stolen Explorer. We're yielding at you. Did he say stolen Explorer?
Speaker 1:I thought he said stolen. Yeah, yeah, he said stolen Explorer. Okay so, Kat, you know this is a stolen vehicle. How are you approaching this?
Speaker 3:I mean, this is a felony car. Stop at this point, Agreed. So I'm approaching on the right side.
Speaker 1:Are you going to approach the vehicle on the felony stop? So I mean, if you can go, you're going to approach the vehicle on the felony stop.
Speaker 3:So I mean, if you can go, you're going to ask for backup. Have backup, meet you. Um, not every car has those radios and is equipped with it. To um the the mics to let them know the loud, the loud hail speakers. Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Um, if I have that, I'm going to try to make commands through that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:If I don't have that, I'm going to approach on the right side with backup on scene. The only thing is I have questions. Are there tinted windows? Because if there's tinted windows, I'm thinking twice about approaching. There's there tinted windows? Because if there's tinted windows, I'm thinking twice about approaching. There's not tinted windows. The command would be roll down the windows, approach, see what you can inside the vehicle. You know, but you want cover. I'm thinking too many things at this point.
Speaker 1:What do you got Matt?
Speaker 2:Yeah, if it's a stolen it would be a felony. Stop um, and I see chili just asked the guns that had guns wouldn't be at the head. Be at the kind of like a little ready you know, just because it's, it's because it is the situation, we always go to the back and we take cover behind our squads and then yell out commands and have them stop and just toss the keys and de-escalate the best you can yep, yeah, so if you guys are out there, the the thing to do, and I don't know, I don't every every city it has maybe a different trend.
Speaker 2:The thing to do here is the. The youngsters steal cars here and then they go. They always have guns. They always go rob people with cars or do their shootings with with the storm, but that's that's just. Uh, that's the joy riding these days. It always has has, uh, some sort of gun and some sort of robbery with it.
Speaker 1:90 of the cases here yeah, the kia boys, yeah, they kick that off. So, yeah, so, and it depends on where you guys are at now. Us three we work in major cities, so this is common like, and guns are related to that. However, it's going to be harder for you to picture that if you're from a smaller city, like you don't see that over there as often. So you're like what the fuck are you talking about? Why would guns automatically be related? Well, it's not that they automatically are in your area, but in policing they are. So, um, let me see. Well, I tried to get, uh, delete laws. What do you say there? He said uh, that's a nice story, but that's not what we see on camera every day. Um, fair enough. Uh, I, I don't disagree with you. I've seen plenty of videos. Officers aimed out me personally. I'm at the ready, low or high ready, I get it't be To me it shouldn't be.
Speaker 2:I believe our policy. I think they changed it at RPD. Yeah, it should be at the low and it shouldn't be pointed at unless it's a deadly threat. I mean, that's the basic rule of firearms, Right? So that should not be, Julie, I agree.
Speaker 1:Yeah, somebody said let me go back. I don't want them to think that I'm trying to Shit. You guys started commenting like crazy. I missed it. I saw it. I saw my name, so I was trying to get that up there. Delete laws would like to chat with you. Oh, there it is. Gloria said Sergeant Levine, will you have a debate with delete laws? Why do I need to debate them? I don't have a problem chatting and asking questions and doing what we're doing, but I don't need to have a debate. I don't think. I don't know. What do you think, matt? Do we need to debate?
Speaker 2:Have different people on. Yeah, I don't mind having them on like yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, here's the thing, guys. You gotta understand. I'm still employed, like so it. It kind of sucks because I'm hamstringed. There's certain things. I'm the same way it's the same way that we're hamstring.
Speaker 1:We can't say certain things. So Delete Laws is going to come in here and beat my ass. No, I mean, I'm not lying, he would. He'd destroy me. I can't talk, I can't say the things that I want to say. I'm neutered. This is the best you get. That's what makes this show so unique. You've got two active actually a lot of us are active cops, but we're neutered. Certain things we can't say. It sucks. I'm giving you the best I can right now and I push that limit every show I promise you. So I'm trying to give you the best I can For those that appreciate it cool. For those that think I'm full of shit, I'm sorry. Nothing I can do to change your mind on that. So appreciate you, country girl. Um, but uh, yeah, and, and Matt, you know, tell Chili.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know he, he, he, I I'm, he's a friend of mine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said, as you can imagine, as though I'm talking to my friend matt, I'll be cool. No, I'll totally be cool, I and I, I think you would be, I think, if matt's vouches for you. I'm with you, bro these talks and uh yeah there's a certain thing that they'll, they'll.
Speaker 2:Uh, what is that block for?
Speaker 1:yeah, and honestly I, I have no problem having you on I just I don't want you to get frustrated.
Speaker 1:When I'm like I can't say anything on that, I can. I'm like I can't say anything on that, I can't talk about that, I can't say that. So that's kind of how that would be, bro. I just want to give you full disclosure because you're going to be like, well, this is fucking. I don't want it to suck for you. I guess that's what I'm trying. Mr Bill Foltz said. But let's be honest with IA investigating and finding no wrongdoing, it doesn't seem that a policy on weapons at the ready will be effective. It just depends. Like I said, if IA wasn't effective, do you think I would be as afraid to talk about the stuff I want to talk about If they weren't effective? Do you think I would be this paranoid to have like delete laws? Come on here and talk to him. They're effective, Trust me.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing with stuff like that. I mean that takes everyone being accountable, it takes the officers around. I'm looking to the side and calling. My guy's got an AR pointed at somebody's head when he don't need to be like dude. We need to come together as a team and call this out, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Small Miracles Garage which is a cool name, by the way said don't be scared, Stand up for the Constitution you swore to uphold. I do. I just I can defend your rights, but I don't have the same rights you have. I can say what I want, but then I'm going to have to suffer the consequences of being unemployed. Can't do that. I got kids, I got a wife, I got family to support and I can do a lot of good out in the streets, and I think I do. And that's what I'm going to continue to do and I'm going to continue to keep all those officers that you guys see out there, those very vulnerable zero to five year officers, in check. That's what you need me out there doing. So that's, uh, that's my point of view. Sorry, Kat, we're kind of what's Ooh? Is that that guy's name?
Speaker 3:Matt, who's that? What is that? I don't know, Chili.
Speaker 2:What's that mean, brother?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Everybody's saying Otvo Chili. What is it, man? I feel left out. What Wild Wolf, mr Wild Wolf, you uphold what? Uphold the Constitution. I uphold the constitution, I uphold the constitution. That's what I try to do. Uh, how come you keep reading otvo am I? Am I going crazy here? What everybody's saying?
Speaker 2:it isn't just us otvo oh, he's the overturned terry versus ohio. That's a whole another show we talk about, about that's what he means.
Speaker 1:I'm like what the fuck does that? Mean I don't even understand what that means that's an interesting discussion okay, well, yeah, we're not going to get into that tonight.
Speaker 2:We're already almost two hours in you know how we got the qualified immunity expert coming on and that would be, a great show the Terry versus Ohio yeah, that would be a great show.
Speaker 1:The terry versus ohio yeah, that would be a good one too. I I've never heard an argument for that, so that would be kind of fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would love to hear that chili's got an interesting one yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, that could be the time, and I've heard, not just him, I've heard it from a lot of people just yeah yeah, I would love, I would love to to hear that.
Speaker 1:Um, what is code name JDB? You're a terrorist. You uphold nothing. Oh, fair enough. It's crazy that you came to that conclusion in the three minutes that you've come on here and seen us talk so interesting. I'm glad that you're not a police officer, because that conclusion you came to was awfully quick, with no evidence to back it up Weird. So if you came here, if you jumped on and you were like I'm going to troll the shit out of these guys and get them all worked up, you get up the wrong people, bro, we don't shy away, but we also don't partake in your trolling, I promise you. So if I don't get QI show I mean Mr Billfold, you are going to, I'm going to get Vaughn and you are definitely going to get on the QI show, brother. So make sure you have a mic and make sure you have your camera ready. We will get you on there. Let's see here. Oh, delete losses. That's not our guy Matt, guy matt. Oh, so he doesn't like that.
Speaker 2:We know, uh, a lot of them on here like like uh, the people that that just will hate you just to yeah because they don't really know it's understood, I never take. I've never taken that person.
Speaker 1:I don't take offense to it. I I just I, you know you have a message. There's ways to get your message out. Like we're here trying to kind of talk about things, but you're not really giving us the ability to talk about it. So if you don't want to give us that opportunity, I'm trying to get to this comment who wouldn't want to stop placing hands on people unless a crime was committed warrants them? Hands on people unless a crime was committed warrants them. I mean, sometimes a crime hasn't been committed. Like, for instance, there's times where I have to get through a crowd because there is violent things happening in the middle and people are in the way and you tell them to move and they're not moving. You have to push your way through a crowd. Like they haven't necessarily committed a crime that I'm going to enforce, but there are times that you do put your hands on people and that's just the way it is.
Speaker 1:Um, which is? It's legal. There's, there's supreme court rulings that say that you're allowed to do that. Just depends on what you're talking about. So let's get to this video. I want to. I want to keep going on this, so we'll get to the comments in a second capital. And what?
Speaker 1:was it across I'm on our valley, driver I. I know we don't monday quarterback, but I don't. I'm unassing my vehicle as soon as I can. I don't like sitting knowing I'm behind a stolen vehicle. Okay, let me go back. If I'm alone, I'm not even going to activate my lights until I know I've got backup with me.
Speaker 2:Matt, I'm with you, you have to have someone that's a no-brainer.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So to me, we've already got a mistake here. I wouldn't have pulled this car over alone. Why? Because you can start to force in a situation that you didn't need to force, like if this guy gets out or he does something dumb, like you're alone. Now your level of force is going to be higher because you're alone, and that's how you're going to justify it. Well, I'm by myself. Well, did you have to be by yourself? No, you didn't have to be you, you did this. So things to learn. So, uh, kat, you got anything to add on that?
Speaker 3:No, I agree, you know, if you have eyes on it, that's good enough until you can get somebody to back you. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think you can always wait. All right, let's keep going here. Start me Tom Water Priority. Receive Tom Water Priority. Oh, somebody said it's still in drive. Ryan Holsinger said he's running because it's still in drive. I didn't even notice.
Speaker 4:He didn't put it in park oh, good eye, right, that's a good eye and he gone.
Speaker 1:I just want to point out you know these people in these cars right here because they were looky-looing. They're probably like, oh shit, it's going down, they're all pumped up and they got the cameras out, yeah, while they're driving. Ooh, maybe contact. So from here, calling it out, getting frustrated people. Don't get out of your way. From here, calling it out, getting frustrated People, don't get out of your way. Everybody out there. When lights and sirens go on, you are to move over to the right, the far most right. I understand sometimes you guys panic and you're like, well, it's easier to go right here and we can split the light. No, all the way to the right Get over everybody.
Speaker 3:Why would you go to the right when you can park in the middle of the road?
Speaker 2:Doesn't that happen so often?
Speaker 1:It does. Officers, don't get frustrated. Don't sit there on camera and be like just dumb motherfucker.
Speaker 2:Don't do that shit either. It's just part of the game.
Speaker 1:It's part of what it is. You have front row tickets to the greatest show on earth. Just enjoy the process. If you can keep this job as that is, you know you're not entertainment at other people's expense, that's not what I mean. But your personal entertainment like this is this is a fun job like, just keep it fun. Um, if you can keep that mindset that it helps you calm down and not take everything so serious. If you catch him, you catch him Great. If not, guess what You'll catch him later. Like that's just the way this way goes Do what you can, but keep the public at. So for me, as a supervisor, I'm wanting to know what the road conditions are, what's the traffic like, how, whatever our speeds right now Westbound.
Speaker 1:Westbound Trousburg, westbound Trous traffic like how, whatever our speeds right now, westbound, right now traffic's about as thick as I'm comfortable with, like this is. This may be a little past my comfort level. Um, each person's a little different. Um, matt, what do you think?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's every. Every uh pd's got a different policy. Chase policy, uh, this probably was too congested during the day, vehicles around to even risk it just for for that, when you didn't see it and all it was was a steal. There's, uh, I just say why, why put the public at risk is how I would personally look at it. Um, whatever, yeah, it's a. It's a lot of liability.
Speaker 1:You hit somebody gotcha cat, what do you got?
Speaker 3:I agree, and unfortunately we don't have the uh, the best cars, so I'm not taking a risk. Uh, I don't even know if I'd take that risk in my own car.
Speaker 1:Right, all right. I'm just trying to read through the comments real quick. Mr Wild Wolf said please give Delete Laws a chance to have a conversation with you about Absolutely. I'm totally down. I talked to Matt. He seems cool with it too, so I'm completely in for that conversation. I've actually and I'm being fully honest I've never heard anybody put up an argument to not have that. So I'd be really interested to see your perspective, and I am a very objective person. If you make a logical argument, I'm down, I'm there with you. So, um, but at the same time, if I push back, like, don't just automatically go to, well, you're a dumb son of a bitch and you don't, you're a cop. So it's just no, I'm gonna tell you my why. And just let's talk like regular dudes. Let's have a beer, let's have some whiskey, let's have a bro chat. So, yes, absolutely delete laws. We will have that conversation. I am down for sure. Um, let's keep going with the video. Not today, though. I don't like this. I'd have canceled it.
Speaker 4:I'm canceling this one.
Speaker 1:There's too many people. I'm not a big fan of pursuits. Guys Right here, this ain't bad, but it's just too. Come and go on this. I'm not a fan. Go on this. I'm not a fan, it's not because I don't want to catch this guy, I just don't want anybody innocent getting hurt. Yeah, like, look at this.
Speaker 3:He's driving too dangerous.
Speaker 1:He's chasing him in an unmarked car, apparently 36, still light traffic just passing 99. See, our definition of light traffic is different. That's medium traffic. At least 36 is number one in the pursuits. I'm going to call it number two Still southbound Speeds of 95. Light traffic, I'm gonna call it into still southbound speeds of 95. Jared, not everybody gets that brother. He said we don't have the best cars. Question mark, dude, y'all drive $100,000 Tahoe's charges, explorers decked out, whatever fucking creature cover you could have, and every two years you get a new one.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:That's not true, brother.
Speaker 3:Who is the y'all he's talking about? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. There are some departments that get that Absolutely.
Speaker 3:That's insane Shoot.
Speaker 1:Shoot. I got an officer right now. Every time they start their car up it's white smoke, it's burning oil somehow. And it just got back from the shop. Dime bag Coins. I like the name, thank you. Look forward to your discussion with Delete. He's a pretty decent person, as y'all seem to be. I think I've caught a couple of Delete's things and, yeah, I think he's always been nice. He's talking to officers and stuff. He's been pretty cool. They pitted him. Yeah, oh, they got the grappler. Did it work? Oh, he missed. Do you see it? No, yeah, he didn't miss. So for those that don't know that, grappler gets a hold of the back tire, wraps up into it, locks it up, and then they basically corral it in like they just wrangled a a cow for like a cowboy in it. Yeah, it's like a lasso pretty much. Oh, his shit's all messed up though. Oh well, grapplers aren't gonna like that. We just made him look bad. Hey, pazar works about that much too. So good, pit, there you go.
Speaker 2:Positive pressure oh my god, I love him gangster is that one of red, white and blue vodkas?
Speaker 1:it does look like somebody else is in the car, but yeah, that's that red, white and blue vodka. Listen, I'm not gonna lie, I would have got out of the car laughing. I, I, me and patrol. This is how it would have been. Like bro, really. Oh my gosh, that's fucking hilarious. This is what I say. You got to enjoy the job. Guys like, if you get so wrapped up because you're chasing a felon that's in a stolen car, you're more prone to use force. He's giving up, he's going out. Fun-wise, I get. It Doesn't mean don't stay on your toes, don't release the dog. He's giving up.
Speaker 4:Watch that guy. Watch that guy. Watch that guy. All right, good boy, asher, watch that guy.
Speaker 1:Watch that guy. Asher, don't release the dog, he's giving up. Okay, great ending, nobody hurt. Nobody hurt it could have. You know, they may have been able to release that dog. I wouldn't have agreed with it. But I'm going to stop sharing right now.
Speaker 2:How much longer you got matt? Four minutes. I gotta leave in two seconds, brother, okay yeah you're good?
Speaker 1:um, all right, uh, before you bounce, uh, let everybody know where to find you, what you, what you got going on I am, I got uh.
Speaker 2:Mfb youthorg is my organization. We, we, it's a non-profit. That's my most important mission in the world. We, we mentor kids. We teach them about the Lord. We, we help walk them through life. All of our kids are mostly fatherless and would be out in the streets. We try to get them out of that life. We love it and everything else is falls under that. It's all on the website. It's all on one cop, two cop, one donut. I say that wrong every week. Two cops, one donut site uh, my tiktok, uh and my youtube and uh, yeah, I love, I love doing this.
Speaker 2:We're very, very open. This is a. This is a different type of group. I think a lot of people come in and thinking this is just cop talk. We, we keep it real and we think like uh, I think the public is it's a breath of fresh air for to hear us from are still doing this job, to talk the way we do. We relate so well to common people and we give everyone a talk. Even if we disagree with us, we still love you. You're an American, we love you and we're just here to talk and we don't take nothing personal. That's me. I'm the only idiot with a black and white shot on there.
Speaker 1:No man, I like it. It's badass, Honestly. No, and you're not the only one with black and white.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see, Okay, daniel's got one too, yeah.
Speaker 1:Daniel's black and white too. No, yours is badass, dude. I love that picture. That's fucking. That's a good picture, man. The ink, you know, makes it pop. I think it's good and that's how I think of you when I think of you. Like that's what I like. So if you guys go to our website two cops, one donut, all spelled out you will be able to click where everybody in the bio. You'll be able to click everybody's bio and find their stuff that they put out there. So, and Matt's stuff is no different. He's right there. He's got his little, his bio for you guys to read. But, more importantly, I just want people to know what's on the horizon. We are working diligently to get Matt his own show under the Two Cops, One Donut. We're actually trying to work out the Donut Network. That's one of the things we're coming down the pipe. So if we get the donut network going, matt's gonna have his own stuff popping off on that and, um, something to look forward to guys.
Speaker 2:So, matt, appreciate you, brother, love you, I appreciate you being here. It's uh, it's fun. We do this all the time and I really, god bless you, be safe and uh, yeah, take care guys excellent, all right, matt, take it easy.
Speaker 1:Bud, he doesn't know how to log off. He's got to ask his wife. I'll boot you there. You go Later, bud. It's too fun. Taylor made said funny when I pose like Matt, matt, it looks like it looks sad and depressing. You don't even need to change the color of the photo. Excellent, excellent, um, okay, we're going to. Uh, I I don't know how long you have, so you let me know when you gotta go so I'll give you like a nice 15 minutes okay, we'll do one more video then it's a little later over here on this side.
Speaker 3:Yeah you're.
Speaker 1:You're actually an hour ahead of us, so it's 10 here, 11 where you're at yeah um, we'll go. We'll go. One more video. Uh, I don't know what it is, obviously. Uh, we already watched that, okay, okay, pause. Let me share screen Beautiful biggie size and we're off.
Speaker 3:Oh he just hit my car.
Speaker 1:I'm I can't get out, squeeze, he's running into the woods. Oh shit, he hit and run a cop. Um, I was about to say like all right, I'm gonna get out of the car, uh and, and start trying to figure out if I just got a drunk that hit me or what's going on. What do you do?
Speaker 3:He's gone.
Speaker 1:Well, he ran yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm wondering if her screaming was because she was hurt or because she just got stunned.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming it's because she got stunned, so I would get out, and I'm a runner, so I'm gonna run okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna chase after him, for sure, but it just, I didn't expect you to ram into a cop. I don't think they ran into the cop on purpose yeah but then they, they ran.
Speaker 1:So now, yeah, I'm gonna give chase shout out tim owens. He gifted one membership away and it looks like slice got it. So congratulations, appreciate that, guys. Um, we are trying to grow, get bigger. Uh, all the money that goes into the memberships, um, just so you guys know, it's not going in our pockets, it's going right back into the show. So appreciate that. This does cost us money, um, and that's how we make it work. But every time somebody decides to do a membership, it really is humbling. And it's even more humbling when our members are giving away memberships to people. That's fostering the community that we're trying to get. So it's pretty cool. Appreciate it, guys. So let's keep going here. See how this one works out. She's pissed, okay, she is stressed, max stressed that that worries me. Um, it's hard, it's hard to come down from that. Uh, cat, you sound frustrated. What do you got?
Speaker 3:so he's. I thought he'd be running, like I. I thought at this, this point, we're gonna get a scene of him running and she's gonna be running. I'm not sure why she has that out just yet.
Speaker 1:Um, he seems like he's strolling yeah, yeah, yeah, it's weird, it's not normal, that's for sure. Uh, country girl say gotta say cat, you're so pretty, remind me of my granddaughter thank you I the night said is that a park, um ryan holds their big bucks.
Speaker 1:No whammies on membership. Oh yeah, oh, I think because it randomly get when they gifted it randomly gives somebody. So, um, he needs donut emojis. Everybody keeps telling me that I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Guys, I'm just a stupid cop. I'm trying to learn it as I go. Uh, let's keep going here. So for me, me from here, verbal commands. I'm worried about cars coming across, so I'm going to try to get these people to go past me. I'm not going to make them stop, I want them to get past me and I'm going to get on the radio and update what's going on. So let's keep going.
Speaker 4:Get on the ground.
Speaker 2:Get on the ground, I'll shoot you. Lay the fuck down. I know the attorneys right now he's saying put the gun away.
Speaker 1:No, the gun's not gonna get put away. You tried to flee after you just rammed a cop. It's not gonna get put away. However, I kind of like I'm hoping his words are getting through to her, because she is fucking amped.
Speaker 3:You know what it is. He's trying to de-escalate the situation.
Speaker 4:Yes, he is?
Speaker 1:Yes, he is. I hope it's working, because I don't know what's going to happen here.
Speaker 4:Lay down, lay down.
Speaker 1:Lay down. Okay, this is where the communication is gonna have to come in. Um, if I'm the the dude coming in, I I may not know that she's amped up yet yeah oh, this is gonna take some seconds to work out.
Speaker 3:That's the how I'm seeing this happen it's gonna take a second what sucks about this is like he sees her gun out so immediately he thinks that maybe there's a threat. So, right, I'm assuming that he's also okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's see yeah he wants his attorney right now. Well guys, um, I don't know if y'all know this, but you do not get your attorney before the scene's even secure. That doesn't sound how this works. Um, you get your attorney if we decide to start asking you questions while you're under custodial arrest. That's how that works.
Speaker 4:So, um, let's see how this keeps going for nothing I holding lethal I other than being really amped up I'm okay with how things are.
Speaker 1:It's not how I want them to go, but they're working.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to complain.
Speaker 4:Concerned about she's starting to calm down and starting to think Okay, Right here you got to put that I'm going to bite you.
Speaker 1:Okay, right here, you got to put that down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm flagging a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right here, we got to put that down. We're going to that ready low.
Speaker 2:Don't take your hands off me.
Speaker 4:I'm cooperating, I'm cooperating, I'm not resisting.
Speaker 1:Okay, something to consider for those listening. Just because you're saying something like I'm not resisting, I'm not resisting, it doesn't mean you're not. However, I believe he is not resisting here. He's doing what this guy's trying to manipulate him to do put his hands behind his back. So Sunday said she shouldn't be a cop. I'm curious why.
Speaker 1:What is your argument on that Sunday, other than her being amped up? She was able to stay controlled enough. She didn't fire, she didn't rush in. She was able to hold lethal cover on this person, which was appropriate. She was by herself until the second person got here, Other than this right here, which, again, she just got hit in an accident and then the dude fled Like she's up here. So we're all susceptible to that. I just want you to know. Even you, we're all susceptible to that. I don't see anything happening here that she shouldn't be a cop. Having them person at gunpoint is, you know, that's a trainable thing. Um, finger off the trigger. We can't see. So her finger may not be on the trigger right now. If it's on the trigger, then I got a really big problem. So let's see here.
Speaker 3:Where's my rights? Where's my rights?
Speaker 1:okay, teach's my rights, get off me. Where's my rights? Where's my rights? Okay, teachable moment.
Speaker 1:Guys, you don't get your Miranda red unless you're under custodial rest and they start to ask you questions about the crime. You could be under custodial rest and I'll just be like, hey man, you want a sandwich? I don't have to read your Miranda rights. Ask, I don't have to read your Miranda rights to ask you if you want a sandwich before you go to jail. Like I can do that, I don't have to ask. Hey man, what's your favorite football team? Did you catch the Lions game last night? I don't have to ask, I don't have to read your Miranda rights for that.
Speaker 1:But if I was like, hey man, where were you on Friday night on the same, noted, just because officers saying stop resisting, stop resisting doesn't mean they're resisting. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I've gotten on the cops for that before, like you're getting in this oodle loop. So, um, she got whacked by a truck. Anyone would have high adrenaline. It is possible she is not emotionally fit to be a cop, but this video doesn't demonstrate those facts. I agree I would need just because your voice is super high and stressed. I know people that cry and can still talk through what's going on. They're just, for whatever reason, their tears are going. Like it happens Some people just that's how their emotions come up.
Speaker 4:Get off him. Tell him to get off me.
Speaker 2:Tell him to get off me. Let him put the cuffs on. Shut up, shut up.
Speaker 3:You just crashed your car into me. First of all, I was fleeing.
Speaker 1:I was so scared for my life. I was fleeing. I was scared for my life. I wonder what he was fleeing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:That was interesting. Okay, okay, let me stop sharing this. So, kat, what was your impression? How did you like being on the show tonight?
Speaker 3:So I loved tonight. So I loved it. I loved it. This is, I don't know exactly what I was expecting. Yeah Right, but I like everybody's mindset, you know. Yeah, I also like the fact that it's not just this kind of gung ho show that is, you know, talking about. Oh, this is what I do, and time on, this time on yeah the war stories we have enough of that yeah right yeah
Speaker 1:yeah, this is truly. Actually. It's more about these guys in the comment section than it is about us. We try to give our perspective, we try to tell it from our point of view and at the same time, like I say, they keep us humbled by keeping us level and based, because us as cops, we are surrounded in a fishbowl of an echo chamber. It's really what it is, and if you're in that too long, you're susceptible to it, just like anybody else. So it's nice to have people that are outside of that, giving you that fresh perspective. Like I've been in law enforcement 18 years Now, what's kept me humbled and straight is having friends and family and all that stuff back from Flint that ain't like cops. And they give me shit just for being a cop, which is funny. So, um, uh, you know, for me I'm always trying to do those guys back home problem. So shout out to all my Flint Mount Morris people Clio, all those guys. They know who they are. But just going into the comments here, can't judge a situation based on voices, pitch or tone. Agreed, I the Knight, said I'd be scared too if I ran into a car of an armed individual and then they got out and ran. You're not lying. You're not lying.
Speaker 1:Freeman Keyes said Kat, it was great having you with us tonight. Thank you guys, I appreciate that. Um, yeah, let us know in the comments what did you think of Kat. What was your overall impression? Do you want to see her back? Maybe we can get her back on here. Have her ever come do some more shows with us? Um, it's nice to have somebody in that. Like I said, you're past that rookie mark zero to five years. That's what us officers, seasoned officers, look at is that rookie phase, and then then you're starting to get into that. So what's are you're? Are you just a patrolman right now?
Speaker 1:yes is there is there. Are you moving on to detective or anything like that? What's the thoughts?
Speaker 3:I keep getting probed for that. I you know I don't think that's my vibe, just because I think I get too deep into things. If I worked cases, it would be a little bit too much on me, I would dedicate too much time to it, and I eventually do want to start a family. I have a husband and, you know, hopefully sooner than later we start having kids. So that is my goal. Um, and you know, a lot of people put their heart and soul into their career and even though I love it, I have home to think about too yeah, absolutely, and I think it shouldn't always come first.
Speaker 1:Um, I mean, we were supposed to do the show yesterday and I told you my kiddo had her last basketball game of the season. So we were and talked to everybody and they're like, well, we can try to do it tomorrow. Then I was like, all right, cool, appreciate it. So that's what's fun about my crew is family first and then we start dealing with everything after that. Patrick Truelove said nobody truly knows how they would act in any given situation until they are in that situation, absolutely. David Edmonston said we like her. Brian Thompson, bring her back. So Kat, awesome Keeper, love. Tim thinks she's cool. She's too subdued for us. I think she's feeling it out, I think.
Speaker 3:I'm here.
Speaker 1:I think the more we get her going, she'll start cutting us off Like no, let me talk to She'll get it going, I promise I'm absolutely open to having you back. Everybody else, yeah, we've ran for almost two and a half hours, so I think it was a good show tonight. I don't have anything else. Kat, thank you so much for being on the show. Let everybody know how they can find you.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you for having me. You guys can find me on TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 1:It's at up in New York, that's upinny all right, I think honestly, I think I have it ready to go. Where is it there? It is there, boom, there we are. There's cat's page up in ny. Make sure you guys go to her instagram. I don't have your tick tock up. I apologize.
Speaker 1:Go there, check it out, check the reels out, see what she's got going on, follow like all things, um and yeah, that's. Uh, that's all we got. Uh, cat, if you could stick around for just a couple minutes after we cut off of here I'll say goodbye to everybody. Guys, thank you so much. Appreciate it. We're going to get some more shows going. A lot of cool things coming down the pipe. Please head to 2Cops1Donut. We got some swag. If you want to support the show, we got the metal badges, the patches, the Velcro patches, all that kind of stuff. You guys know me, I don't push that shit down your throat. I wait, I do it at the beginning or at the end and that's about it. And then, uh, yeah, like subscribe if you don't got the money to help support us, just supporting us through likes and follows and all the cool things kids like. So do that, but everybody else. Good night, kat, tell them good night.
Speaker 3:Good night. Thanks for having me.
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