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2 Cops 1 Donut
Balancing Law Enforcement Tactics and Trust
What if the very platforms we rely on to connect with our audience turned against us? On this episode of the Two Cops One Donut podcast, we're joined by a dynamic panel featuring Banning Sweatland, Kat Clark, Daniel from Police Law News, and Trey Mosley, as we navigate the unexpected turbulence of a YouTube community strike. The ban was sparked by a humorous video, but it hasn't stopped us. We've pivoted to other platforms to keep the conversation alive, bringing in global perspectives, including new voices like Michelle Marie from Australia. Our commitment to entertainment and insightful dialogue remains unshaken.
Discover the intricate dynamics of law enforcement as we cover everything from the heated debates around qualified immunity and indemnification to the pressing need for systemic reform in tackling police corruption. Our guests share personal experiences, shedding light on the legal and ethical complexities officers face daily. The discussion emphasizes the crucial role of transparency and accountability in public safety, merging serious topics with a dash of humor and camaraderie. Whether it's the nuances of police traffic stops or the challenge of eliminating corruption, we provide a thoughtful exploration of these pressing issues.
The conversation also dives into the mental health and tactical challenges officers encounter, exploring scenarios like handling deadly force situations and the logistics of executing search warrants. We advocate for improved police training, emphasizing mental health resources and the benefits of martial arts in reducing force incidents. From the role of ego in policing to the tactical considerations in high-pressure scenarios, this episode balances the gravity of law enforcement realities with moments of levity and personal connection. Join us for a comprehensive journey into the world of policing, where every story offers a learning opportunity.
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Speaker 1:I am your host, eric Levine, and this is Two Cops One Donut livestream. How's everybody doing tonight? Tonight I got with me Banning Sweatland. I got Kat Clark, our newest addition to Two Cops One Donut. I have Daniel from Police Law News, who is also under the fold of the Two Cops One Donut. I have Daniel from Police Law News, who is also under the fold of the Two Cops One Donut, and our regional rookie here from California, trey Mosley. What's up, buddy? What's the deal, man? What's going on everybody? Kat, how you doing tonight?
Speaker 3:Very good, very good, can't complain.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, banny, what's going on? Brother, another day in paradise, brother Ready to another day in paradise, brother ready to do what I'm talking about, and daniel we got to give him a few seconds to respond daniel how you doing.
Speaker 1:I'm doing great. Thanks, man, excellent. Daniel is on starlink tonight, who is not a sponsor of the podcast, but it is interesting. We weren't sure if his live stream was going to work and how it was going to work, but it seems to be working well, so, um, I want to get it out there. Uh, for everybody that's watching probably wondering, like, why the hell aren't you on YouTube? My YouTube's down. We got banned for a week.
Speaker 1:We got a community strike because of a video from May. It was one of those stupid videos that I made just to get a laugh. It was a guy driving by an accident. He's like, hey, you can't park there, and all of a sudden this girl just grabs a Glock out of her shorts and then fires it in the air and I thought that was funny. So I put that on there and it's been on there since May and for some reason I got a community violation. I don't know why. I don't know how. We've got plenty of other videos with guns being shot. This wasn't. Nobody was actually hit or anything like that. So it is what it is.
Speaker 1:But we got Matt's YouTube. We got several other people up here on the panel. We got their YouTube linked up, so hopefully that gets us by until that appeal can go through and we see what the hell happens. If not, we'll just be down a week for YouTube. But with that said, tonight we're going to see who's in the audience and what's going on. Yep, we got a lot of people's LinkedIn's pairing up Sailor Outlaw, george Eshak that's an interesting name from YouTube. What's going on, buddy? I swear I saw our boy, mr Billfold, up there.
Speaker 1:Is he? Oh, there, he is. There he is. He said howdy and mahalo, uh, uh, michelle Marie said what's up? Um, we're actually going to get Michelle on one of these lives. Um, she, she reached out. We told her we're going to do a podcast. She got the mic and all that stuff and we just haven't been able to get it uh, loaded up and going yet. But now that we're doing the lives regular as well, she wants to jump up on that, so we'll get her on here tonight. I'm trying to think of topics that we were going to talk. What was that?
Speaker 5:Somebody, somebody is on here from Australia. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I just say none you biz says hi from Australia. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I just say none of you biz it says hi from Australia. What time is it in Australia? None of you biz Don't say none of you biz either. I'm just curious what time it is out there, Dave here showing up as a LinkedIn user? Yeah, for some reason it doesn't show everybody's name. I'm not sure why. Benny, do you know why it does that?
Speaker 6:No, it seems like they'll do a few comments and then eventually put their name on there. I think he's on mine, so I'm not sure why.
Speaker 1:Gotcha Okay. So with Two Cops One Donut, guys, I want you all to know yes, matt Thornton is a part of Two Cops One Donut. We put out a video on YouTube and I got a ton of hate all of a sudden saying I was stealing his content. We did a mashup, guys. Matt is with us. We did a mashup where we found a video. We both made a reaction video to it and then he sent it to me, because I do the editing for the show and I edited his reaction and my reaction together. We just did another one where Kat was a part of it in banning and I think that was in me. We just did us three, so it was another mashup.
Speaker 1:No, we are not stealing content. These are under two cops one donut. However, they still run their own social media stuff. That's the beauty of what we're doing. We're not trying to steal anybody's content. We're trying to put out our original stuff. Like daniel with police law news, he's got a ton of crap that he's putting out all the time. He's obsessed, like I am, so he puts his stuff out, but then we do stuff together. So that is what's going on. We weren't stealing anything. I just want you guys to know that matt had to get on there and, like kind of like, defend it. He's like no, guys, like he's not stealing my stuff. It's like your, your onslaught is coming after me, bro.
Speaker 5:So, um, let me see I'm going to question the one I just came up um the discombobulated one question I love.
Speaker 1:He always does it. This is why I like discombobulated. He titles it question. Can you answer questions through the public eye? Answer not the cop. Safety. Are we not allowed to be safe too? Well, trey, you thought it was a good question.
Speaker 5:You answer it, rookie so I think what he's getting at is like you know, like, for example, we have someone step out of the car, like how many said I'm gonna have you step out of the car for my safety? I think people feel like we're disregarding their safety when we say stuff like that. But it's like no, bro, we are having you step out so we don't have to do anything else further, bro, like it's kind of like a de-escalation thing is how I see it. But uh, yeah, dude, I mean the number one thing with our job, no matter where, every academy starts off by saying is our number one goal is to preserve life.
Speaker 1:That is the job of the police, gotcha, okay, um, I will expound upon that. Expound upon that Expand. I'll talk further about that. Getting people out of the car is a lot of times a case-by-case basis. If there's multiple people in the car and the driver is the only person I want to talk to, sometimes I may pull him out for that reason. One is knowing the legal justification behind it. Now we do have somebody up here tonight that has passed the bar, so I'm going to say why we can do it and he's going to nod his head, yes or no, and explain that I'm right.
Speaker 1:But Pennsylvania v Mims is a Supreme Court case hearing about pulling people out of their vehicle on a traffic stop and if that's reasonable and if it's a Fourth Amendment rights violation. Pennsylvania v Mims says it's not a violation of your Fourth Amendment rights. They're saying, because it's temporary, that you're being inconvenienced by being pulled out of your car, that it's okay. So the police in that court case they were originally doing it for officer safety, I believe to do a pat down because they thought they saw a weapon or they saw a weapon or something like that. People often confuse that and think that because that was the original court case. That's the only way cops are allowed to pull you out of the car is they have to have reasonable, articulable suspicion that you have a weapon and they're paying you down for weapons. It's not true. Court case simply said that it's not a Fourth Amendment rights violation for you to be temporarily inconvenienced by being taken out of your car on a lawful traffic stop. So they kind of left the door open. It's generalized and vague, so I get the argument from the public. But yes, we can ask you to step out of the vehicle in that case. And then for passengers, the court case that backs that up is Marilyn V Wilson, which is basically saying the same thing that extends to the passengers.
Speaker 1:Daniel, did I nail that? Yep, you got it. I should be a lawyer. Bro Got this, I got this shit down. The reason I asked Daniel is because this is what he does, man. This is one of the reasons we wanted to bring him under. He's pretty much going to be our legal beagle expert whenever we're talking out of our ass about how laws are applied and stuff, because we're just cops. I would say cops get the reader's digest version of laws and and how they're applied yeah so um, but uh, is somebody making fun of me?
Speaker 1:did sigma lord? Lawful, oh, traffic stop, yeah, a lawful traffic stop. That's the key point. You are right. But here's the thing, daniel. Back me up on this. If I'm right or wrong, I'm again talking out of my butt. We don't get to decide if it's lawful on the side of the road. We decide if it's lawful in court.
Speaker 4:Is that fair, daniel? Yeah, that's absolutely, 100% correct. I mean, if you think that a police officer is doing something incorrect or you have a legal argument with what the officer is doing, the absolute worst place to make that argument is on the side of the road. That's not what that is for. That's why we have courts, so that's the proper venue for that, that, not on the side of the road. And here's the thing if, for some reason, the police officer is wrong and they violated your rights, that's going to be a settlement for you and maybe the police officer will be disciplined or even fired, and that's the. That's the process that we have in place. It's not to argue with the police officer or fight with the officer on the side of the road.
Speaker 1:That's insane yeah uh, would mr bill ford say. He said, oh lord, more pen v mims. Why can so many quote that one but can't name five elements of the first amendment? That's a fair argument, that is I will.
Speaker 5:I will agree that pen verse mims, that shit gets. I feel like people abuse that shit. I saw like a lot of officers we just throw it out there way too much and it's like, bro, you can't just pull people out. I know it says for no reason, but you can't do that for no reason because you still got. You still got to consider useful force, like if you're gonna, you're gonna drag somebody out out of the car, it's not gonna be for no reason, bro, because if they say no, then what?
Speaker 5:you're just gonna drag them right of course because, just because the court case says that no.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm a big fan of having some sort of articulable reason, Because at the end of the day I've got to write the report. So when I say why I pulled them out, I'm not just going to do it because I fucking felt like it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:No, Kat. What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3:So, yeah, there's got to be a reason, because going back to putting pen to paper, if you have no reason, then you you have no reason to pull somebody out of the vehicle. Yeah, it just doesn't make sense to me to just pick people out cars, for your safety, for their safety, it just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a. It's a God. It's such a played out answer. I'm doing it for my safety. Ok, explain what your safety concern is. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that's a God. It's such a played out answer. I'm doing it for my safety. Okay, explain what your safety concern is.
Speaker 1:Hey, you got four people in this car. I only need to talk to you and they won't stop talking. They'll keep telling you and advising you of your rights. They're all backseat lawyers and I can't hear, and I ain't got time to argue, because the roadside is the most dangerous place for an officer, not because of you and the car, but because of the cars coming by. So if they're going to continue to jaw, I need you to step out of the car so I can talk to you, because you're the. You're the one that made the violation. They didn't. They're not my concern, so step out that. That is a reasonable thing to me.
Speaker 1:Um, I saw a good somebody said something. Um, tdg said what if the officer will not tell you why they stopped you? I am not a fan of the technique. Now, officers will use this technique and Banning you. Tell me if you've used this one before, if you've seen it. I know you've seen it. Officers will be like hey, I'm officer in such and such, I need your license and registration. What would you pull me over for? I will tell you once I got your license and registration. It's like a hostage technique.
Speaker 1:Frank loves using it. I've seen Frank use that shit.
Speaker 3:I actually use that a lot.
Speaker 1:You use that one too.
Speaker 3:I use it a lot.
Speaker 1:We got to do it in.
Speaker 5:California.
Speaker 1:You have to tell them why.
Speaker 5:It's a law now. It's the new law. It's a law now. It's the new law.
Speaker 1:It's a law yeah, right Now, where I came from, this was taught by an FTO. This wasn't policy or anything, but FTO said tell them why you pulled them over to help disarm them. It's a de-escalation technique. Hey, I'm Officer Levine. The reason I pulled you reason that you were doing that. So now you just told them why you pulled them over and you gave them an out. You gave them a reason to to say why they were doing it. You never know. So cool, but in California their violator processes. They actually have to tell them. But then you get places like where Kat's working. Uh, benning, was that ever something that you guys had to do? Was that practiced?
Speaker 6:It wasn't practiced and I've trained. I don't know how many people I've trained, but I've always told them I don't care what the situation was. If you have probable cause for a stop and you go up there. My name is Sergeant Sweatland, I'm with ABC Police Department and the reason your vehicle was stopped for is this May I see your driver's license and proof of insurance, as they're gathering that, they'll usually tell me a reason. I mean it's just a little rage. I'll tell you real quick we're going here, we're going there and I leave it as communication.
Speaker 6:And I believe, if you don't come across as a complete and utter ass, I don't ever have problems with people. I treat them with respect until that respect is no longer deserved. I mean my jacket's completely clean, you know 21 years. And I mean, yeah, people get upset, they get stopped. I mean that's a part of life, but they know why they get stopped. You know I'll have three or four reasons usually to stop somebody and if I have to write somebody a ticket, it's one out of four or five violations. I'm not that ticket guy. You know, if I catch you in the school zone and kids are involved, you're getting a ticket. I don't care if you have a badge. I don't care if you're the governor, I don't care if you're in congress. That's our kids, for the next generation. You're getting a freaking ticket.
Speaker 1:You can go take it up with the courts, but okay, so I think I worked out an explanation because, uh, mr Billfold even said, if you do not state the reason for the license and insurance before, I can tell you why I pulled you over. And the reason being is people sometimes flee and or something bad happens and we don't have your information. This is just a way that we have our checks and balances in place. However, you want to explain it, but you've explained why you need that license and insurance up front. So I don't know, I'm just kind of brainstorming.
Speaker 3:Usually I don't go into the explanation of why I need that. I go up, I introduce myself, I ask for the license registration insurance and I said, as soon as you provide that information to me, I'll explain to you the reason for the stop. And almost 99% of the time there's no issue. But I've had the case where you know somebody is already ready to argue. I didn't do anything Like sir. As soon as you give me a license registration insurance, I will explain to you the reason for the stop. And those are the ones that take forever. I do the car stops exactly the same all the time. But there is that one percent that it doesn't matter how you introduce yourself. It doesn't matter that you ask them for the license, registration or insurance or the fact that you didn't tell them, because that person, no matter what you tell them they did, they're going to tell you they didn't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to find it. Why do you say follow my direction? No, that wasn't it. I think it was discombobulated. Ask something about being a ruler and I cannot find it.
Speaker 5:Oh, I did see something about a ruler.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I'm going through the. I don't have an Alan with me tonight. He's supposed to be joining a little later.
Speaker 5:Servants to the community are, nor the rulers.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, servants to the community are not. I think he meant not the rulers. Okay, so, daniel, I'll let you tackle this one on the premise that I think what he's getting at is that police think that they're the rulers when they're on a stop, versus servants, where you and I know that there has to be a level of control on a traffic violation on a traffic violation.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I disagree with that entire premise that police officers think that they're rulers. I don't agree with that. I don't think that's how most police officers conduct themselves. I will say that it's not a law or policy in the state that I used to work in, where you have to tell the individual why they're being stopped. But every single traffic stop I did, which was thousands I would always tell the person why they're being stopped. I wasn't trying to hide anything and you know, a lot of times a traffic stop, no one, no one, likes to be stopped. You know it's not it's typically not, at least initially not a positive police interaction. So you know it's like most people want to know why they're being stopped. So that's something I would always say, pretty much like you, just right, right, right out the gate. I was never trying to hide anything, but yeah, it's just the premise that someone thinks that police think they're rulers, I think is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Fair. What do you got Trey?
Speaker 5:I agree. I mean, I hear that shit all the time. I'm like, bro, no, that's not how it works at all. But I think people don't realize how strict the law is on us. Like there's a lot of stuff that's police we cannot do. Like even me, growing up, I just thought police can do whatever they want, like that's really what I believe. And then when I got to this job, I'm like damn, we can't do this, we can't do that. We gotta follow this rule, follow that law.
Speaker 1:Like it's a lot more strict than what people think and no, we can't just do whatever we want yeah, I, if, if I were to tell people, if you knew how much eggshells cops walk on these days doing the job, uh, you know, I don't know that. You, I don't think you guys would believe me, but it I get my. My guys ask me all the time sarge, what, what happens if I accidentally swear on camera? I mean, they're worried about cursing and they got a sergeant that curses like every third word in roll call. So I am not a good example for them and I'm telling you it does vary agency to agency. So John Clifford said so true Attitude, and Matt has the perfect attitude. Talking about matt thornton, um, exactly, that's why we got matt on here, because, um, unfortunately guys, matt couldn't make it tonight, but he did. Let us link his youtube page. So, um adam said don't smoke on camera. That's another one. Yeah, don't use, don't use tobacco. Um, let me see.
Speaker 5:And, to be honest, bro, like there's a lot of cops that are like matt and I'm not trying to discredit him in any kind of way there's a lot of cops that feel that way that yo, we don't. None of us like bullshit cops either. Like we hate people who, who make our bags look bad because somebody could do some shit in new york. And I'm gonna get the same, I'm gonna get the same noise in california about it. So none of us like that stuff either. But, um, we try to be vocal about it when we can. But, dude, it's none of. When you have a, when you also employ with an agency, you gotta be careful, like with me. I can't just bash that department, so I gotta be careful. But, yeah, broad concept, none of us like officers that get down like that either yep, uh.
Speaker 1:Mr billfold said y'all have tyranny and corruption at every level in fort bend, texas. It is literally bad policing from the sheriff down and it makes the job of good cops harder. Agreed, I mean I can't speak on Bend, I don't know enough about those guys. I have heard there's some issues out there, but I don't personally I can't recall anything off the top of my head. But in cases like that you got to start looking at if it's the sheriff's department that's voting. Banning can speak more onto that than any of us. He came from a sheriff's department, more onto that than any of us. He came from a sheriff's department. What's your thoughts Banning on when you get a sheriff's department that is corrupt from the top down?
Speaker 6:It's tough and I can only speak on text, not on this but it's even more tough when you try to recall an elected official, and that's in a lot of states, you know you have somebody in there that's not supposed to be doing what they're doing, it's.
Speaker 6:It's tough. You know, here in the state of Texas, texas Rangers will get involved, fbis can get involved, department of Justice, but that type of invest in investigation going towards corruption is very hard and I don't think it should be that hard. I think if you have reasonable and prudent people making an affidavit to fact fact and the investigation goes through, there should be some type of law that we can put in there. We have to remove a person to create that domino effect to eliminate the entire corrupt system based from the top down. And I could talk about it for hours. I don't want to bore people, but I'm right there with the citizens that see this. We have to remove that that.
Speaker 1:See this. We have to remove that. Somebody said I think that's Trey's mic. Mike, do you have your mic, your wireless one, connected, or you got the laptop one?
Speaker 5:No, I got my wireless.
Speaker 1:You sure?
Speaker 5:I'm going to take it out.
Speaker 1:It's not terrible, it's picking up. Feedback is all I can hear you typing oh, my fault uh, so I I don't have this question highlighted. Oh, there it is. Now I have it highlighted. Uh, discombobulated said okay question have you not watched dirty cops doing dirty shit and not being held accountable?
Speaker 5:oh, this is like a cop. Every people love asking this one.
Speaker 1:This is this right yeah, so have we seen that? Yeah, shit, let's talk about the, the corrections officer that just killed the dude in prison at the hospital. Had they been held accountable? Yet I don't.
Speaker 5:I haven't heard any updates he may be meaning like, have you visually seen someone? Like if you watch somebody put like suck up on somebody, you're just gonna let it ride oh hell, no, like yeah, so okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1:I hate this question. I get asked it probably three times a day, um on our social media accounts how how many cops have you arrested? Four, a lot. I've arrested four cops 18 years.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I've arrested four I.
Speaker 5:I've arrested four 18 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've arrested four, I've written up plenty. And what does that mean? That doesn't mean anything, that has no bearing, that doesn't mean shit, that has no premise on anything. In my opinion, it doesn't matter. The thing is, cops are fired, arrested and charged every month.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Every month at least.
Speaker 5:Easily Big agencies for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, big agencies, definitely. You just don't hear about it. Why it? Just Cops are doing their job. Nobody gives a shit when cops do their job. When they do care is when they're perceived or that they aren't doing what they probably should, or there's a really damning video and the investigation's taking longer than I think it should. I've arrested. Oh, go ahead for I think that right now, this is going to be the hard part banning hold on hold.
Speaker 4:That thought, let dan, I mean right now it's so comments like that that dirty cops get away with stuff. I don't deny that probably happened in the 80s, maybe even in the 90s, but you know, right now over 85% of police officers have body cameras. They record everything they do. Everybody has a cell phone. There's surveillance video everywhere. So the idea that police officers right now are going around the country doing illegal shit and it's somehow being swept under the rug, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Did it happen 30 years ago? Yes, but police officers have body cameras and literally almost everything is on body camera video. Go talk to a police officer. If they arrest someone and for some reason they didn't run that body camera, ask that officer what happens in court, because those cases get dismissed. And you know what? They probably should get dismissed and that's exactly what happens.
Speaker 1:Okay, benning all yours brother.
Speaker 6:Unfortunately, in 21 years that I was in, I've arrested cops for family violence. I've arrested cops for DWI, dwis with major injuries, serious bodily injury, in the state of Texas. I've arrested law enforcement being I'm not going to say the agency, but it was transporting dope from border areas to New York that happened to come through Arrested officers for all getting together and just doing illicit acts because they want to make the excuse that they're not making enough money. And guess what, if you can't do this, go work at Walmart. You're a congressman badge, but I've arrested too many to even count and it's disgusting I mean you lose sleep over that knowing that they do the same job as all of us doing this in this forum right here, and it's absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 6:And even though if we're out there doing the right thing every day in this amazing profession, we're going to have a very small percentage of us doing the bad thing, and I think we need to. You know, somebody said something about unlocking a certain prison out in the ocean and getting it going again. Why not fill that with frigging the dirty cops that we have? Yeah, and none of the doors get locked and they all get to go in there and process of elimination. I'll stop there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to get to a plain Jane. I'm going to assume it's a she. She had made the point earlier about getting an attorney, and I think we were talking about like, oh, you got an easy lawsuit If the cop violates your rights, plain your rights. Plain Jane actually has a very good point. Court is it's a rich man's game. If you can afford a great lawyer, you've got a better opportunity than those that get a public defendant. I've seen it firsthand. So you are leaps and bounds ahead. However, when you do have an open and shut easy lawsuit and these lawyers know it the good ones are going to work your case for free. So it's just a matter of finding the attorney you want and showing them that show-me-the-money-easy case. So, yes, plain Jane, you definitely make a good argument. However, when we're talking about civil rights violations, you're going to have the lawyers you want. You're going to be picking who you want because they're going to be lined up, baby, lined up. I will even suggest some for y'all If you hit me up and you're like, look at this, and I'll be like, yeah, sue the shit out of them, I got your back, I'll get you a good lawyer. Let me see here Discombobulated, said.
Speaker 1:It said why is your first impression of a person I'm going to assume is a criminal? That's speculation, bro. That's not my first impression. My first look may be like are they doing something illegal? Let me look into this. Are they doing something that they shouldn't be? It's my job. I'm a cop. I'm supposed to be looking for people doing illegal shit, um so, but I don't look at people like they're a criminal period. Are there some cops to talk to people like criminals? Sure cat, what have you seen in that? Have you seen cops talk to people like they're just straight up criminals?
Speaker 3:so, honestly, I work with a pretty good group of guys. Um, I don't have to deal with, like, looking at watching people do it. You know, I don't hear it, I don't see it. Um, did work in a place where I was fortunate unfortunate enough to see it a little bit, and this was, you know, immediately upon hire.
Speaker 3:Um, and checking somebody when you are a brand new cop is a difficult thing to do. But unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, um, I don't hold my tongue when it comes to situations like that because I've been on the other side of it. So, as a brand new rookie cop, I did check an individual. After checking this individual that had plenty of years on the job, I experienced a little bit of a hell in my command. But you know, these are brand new people and they're viewing you as someone new and not not even just looking at the situation that just happened. They are looking at it like this is the cop that we've known forever, so we're going to back him. And it wasn't until, I guess you know, the house of cards fell that they started to realize. Like you know, maybe this girl has a little bit of a head on her shoulders- yeah, Harrison Brock said Daniel, many cops in Kentucky do not have body cameras.
Speaker 1:There are many bad cops there in Kentucky, but we also have good cops.
Speaker 4:So I think that's a really good point. And you know, the last time I looked at this was about two years ago and the last numbers I saw is that 80% of police officers around the country have body cameras. That was two years ago. I can only assume it went higher from then. I don't know anything about Kentucky I've never been to the state of Kentucky.
Speaker 4:It's my opinion that all police officers should have body cameras and that they should record every citizen contact that they have while they're doing a law enforcement activity, while they're working. I do think it's important to say that if, for some reason, a police officer doesn't have a body camera, it doesn't make any sense to blame the cop. You have to blame the politicians who actually manage and run police departments. That's whose fault it is. If there's a crappy body camera policy, it's not the police officer's fault. It's up to the department to make it a good policy that says that not only that makes it so police officers have to wear body cameras, but also that police officers it tells them when they have to have to to to record interactions with the public. Um, so yeah, I think everyone should have body cameras for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree. I cannot believe that there's cops that are still out there without body cameras Um.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't go on duty if I didn't have a body camera. Hell no, I panic't go on duty if I didn't have a body camera. Hell no, I'd panic To go out there right now as a cop without a body camera. I think is nuts.
Speaker 1:Mr Bill Fultz said what fucking planet do you guys live on? You think bringing suit against cops is easy? Lia just had a federal case dismissed because of qualified immunity. You are assuming we're talking about personal lawsuits. I'm talking about just suing the department. You do not need qualified immunity protection when you're suing a department and those are won in settlements every fucking day. So, um, that's the planet I'm living on. I have seen, I've watched people make go ahead.
Speaker 6:They're actually one outside of court a lot for, for amounts that never get released. You know, is that, is that determining guilt, does it not? I have no clue. I haven't. I haven't personally seen a case like that where somebody gets sued, but I get to hear about it and read about it, where it gets settled outside of court. Um, and you know, these, these departments are writing checks all over the country, uh, for for things that have maybe done wrong or they just don't want, don't have the money to go to court, and they're they're writing a check for stuff to go away. And do I agree with that? No, but it's that's. That's not my side of what I do within law enforcement.
Speaker 1:Right, right, some of these NorCal Press Cops hate the public. Come on, that's a lazy argument. Don't just make general vague bullshit like we're not going to partake in the trolling. That's just dishonest. It's just not true. Here you have a panel of cops that have volunteered their time, their money and their effort to have these conversations and provide a platform like this. That's never been done and is continuously growing and getting better and trying to bring in more and more people to help bridge that gap. And then you're going to come in here and just generalize that cops hate the public. Come on now. Generalize that cops hate the public. Come on now. Oh shit, I just had one. I'll go to click on a comment and then somebody else comments and it disappears on me. Let's see. What did Mr Belford say? He said the municipal immunity and officers are indemnified. That's a big word for me, daniel. What does that mean? You're a lawyer.
Speaker 5:I don't know, what that means.
Speaker 4:Indemnified means that the police officers are protected. Basically what that means is let's say there's a lawsuit against a police officer and there's a judgment of $5,000 against that police officer. Indemnified means that the city or the state is going to cover that $5,000 against that police officer. Indemnified means that the city or the state is going to cover that $5,000. So on the police side, it's good to be indemnified because that means that essentially you're protected by your agency.
Speaker 5:Gotcha Okay, but they still get the money regardless, though you just want it to come from the cop rather than the department, exactly cop rather than the department exactly.
Speaker 1:Well, the idea behind it is that they think if the cop is sued personally, then they won't be likely to do what they're doing. They think that they can do whatever they want because they'll have the immunity. Where I'm trying to tell people like they'll still get fired, they get fired left and right for less, for stuff. I guarantee that you would be like why'd they fire that cop for that? You, yeah, for real? Uh, so I don't know, like I guess it's all on your view like we're in a fishbowl, we us as cops, like you know, we see it one way because it's just, it's just natural for what we do and that's kind of what the point of the show is. We got people from outside of our fishbowl saying the way they see it, and it's very hard for cops to see outside of that fishbowl because they immediately get defensive, which I understand that. But you can't just dismiss what people say simply because they don't share the same point of view as you.
Speaker 1:But we are 35 minutes in, we're five minutes past what we normally do, so we're going to go to our body cam video part that we do and we'll continue to hit the comments and stuff like that. So here comes the trolls. And qualified immunity. Cool, guess what, chuck Bronson, you're not saying anything new. Yeah, correct, that's not the discussion for tonight, but I'm not going to let you think we're just ignoring you. I disagree with ending qualified immunity. I do think it needs some amending, but getting rid of it no.
Speaker 5:You can't do the job without it. It's impossible.
Speaker 1:Yep, it was created for a reason, so we'll just say we'll just leave it at that. But I want to get to the other part of the show. That is why people also like to tune in. We watch body cam videos that we've never seen before and in that we pretend that we are the cops in the video. Now we're not Monday morning quarterback and we don't go through the whole video, watch it and say, oh, the cops should have done this, should have done that. We go through and you kind of get to see how police training goes, how we think. We are all different people from across the nation and the way we train is different, but we all tend to try to get to the same result, so there's different paths to take to all reach the same goal. It's kind of interesting. So, mr Billfold, I'm going to punch you. Mr Billfold, he's my buddy, so this seems to be a favorite thing of people.
Speaker 1:Uh, captain, smoke wagon. I am. Tonight. I am drinking a new bottle that I've never had smoke wagon. So shout out to them. They are not a sponsor. Um, they continue to. Uh, they know, they know, they know that I drink smoke wagon on every live stream, but they continue to slow. Play me. Eric is paying the light bill for smoke wagon. Yeah, I am definitely paying the light bill for them, but Chuck said thanks for calling me a troll. Nice, did I call you a troll? I don't think I said Chuck Bronson is a troll. I didn't say that. I'm just like you shouted and qualified immunity when we weren't even talking about qualified immunity. So what was your point other than trolling? That's, that's.
Speaker 4:It's pretty easy to see through, bro, anyone who's got immunity doesn't understand what qualified immunity is. They think it's immunity against being fired, against being charged by the locals or the feds. Anyone who knows what qualified immunity is knows that getting rid of it literally wouldn't do anything. It's a ridiculous thing to say, and real quick. Like you said, eric, it's like if a cop does something so bad that they're violating rights, they can get fired, they can be prosecuted, they can lose their pension. Ok, like the penalties that you might get from a civil lawsuit, a couple thousand dollars is literally the least severe penalty for doing something shitty and violating rights. So if people are like, oh, cops don't care, they're not held accountable and they're just going to do whatever they want, but the least severe penalty, that's what's going to stop bad cops Again, I don't understand the logic behind there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, and for those that were wondering, one of the people that I was going to have on the qualified immunity show is Daniel. He's our pro, so, but we want to have him go against a person that is a pro in the opposite side of that, so we can have a fair debate and get both sides of those out there. So that's the idea.
Speaker 5:Whatever I said about credentials, that happens a lot.
Speaker 1:Discombobulated. Yeah we'll go to that quick Before we get to the video. Man, this is the hard part. I want to get to the videos because there's a lot of people that want to see the videos, but the big part of the show, what's actually kind of taken over, is just talking to you guys and answering your questions. Andy Fletcher thinks you're ridiculous, by the way, daniel.
Speaker 4:So hey guys, Well, I'm on just about every single social media channel, so find me over at Police Law News and we can go ahead and debate this stuff. We'll do it next time, before we do videos.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, I just want to say we do have a celebrity in the audience, guys. The one, the only, vaughn Kleem. Mr Billfold, you might want to get your mop handy, because I know how much Von Cleem has turned you on. So he loves Von, he loves Von, he loves him.
Speaker 6:I don't know who has more of a man crush, Eric or Mr Billfold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, guys, you know I don't let you just get away with anything. Who's lying? He's not a pro, he's a liar. Who's lying? There is nobody on my panel that comes up here and lies. If anything, we're just wrong. But we aren't lying. We may think we're right Shit. I've said stuff I thought I was right about and he goes. I'm out, vaughn. But who's lying? There's nobody up here outright lying. That is being you're being dishonest. You're being dishonest. That's not what we're doing up here. We might be wrong, but we are not lying to you. Tim Owen said now wait just a minute about that DEA agent who was speeding in a residential area and killed an innocent woman and claims qualified immunity. I don't know that one. Oh Trey jumped off. I don't know that one. I can't really Does anybody.
Speaker 4:I don't know that case either. But listen, qualified immunity is a protection against personal civil lawsuits. Qualified immunity does not protect police officers from being disciplined, fired or prosecuted. So again, even if, for some reason, that cop got qualified immunity, all it means they would be protected from personal civil lawsuits, no protection from anything else. And I think, if we're going to have a conversation about this, people should at least be honest about what qualified immunity is. Pretending that it's protection for everything is not reality, and I think reality matters.
Speaker 1:I agree Mama G said for crying out loud. I'm of the opinion this is not supposed to be a hate chat. I'm here trying to understand how cops think Knowledge is power. Agreed, yeah. So listen the trolling and stuff you guys. I let the chat rule themselves. I don't kick anybody out unless you become racist or cause for violence the only two things I'm going to kick you out for. So y'all police each other. I'm not. I'm going to police you like I police the public, unless I've got a complaint and I don't care. That's really how it rolls.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to get to a video. Let's go First and foremost. It is all from police activities youtube channel. So make sure you guys go to police activity youtube channel. That's at police activity. All one word.
Speaker 1:Um, I am going to show it here. Boom, boom, boom, boom, share screen. There we go. Um, I'm gonna hide the chat overlay for a second. While we do this, let's put us all alongside here.
Speaker 1:So this is where we're getting all our videos from. Tonight. Guys is police activity. They are the shit. 3.36 million subscribers might as well add yourself to the list if you're not already on there. They show the raw body cam footage with no interruptions unless a fucking YouTube ad pops up, and that's how we like it. So, without further ado, we are going to go to our very first video, which we haven't watched, we don't know what it is, and we're going to break it down with y'all. So we're going to biggie size this guy and let's go, and let's go. I'm going to pause that so we can read it. 238 PM. Officers responded to a suspicious person call in Fairlakes. An unknown caller made statements to our dispatch center that he had killed two people. Okay, so just knowing that, kat, you know you're going into a call where a person just admitted to killing two people, yep.
Speaker 1:So how are you responding when you get there?
Speaker 3:um, I am arriving, I'm gonna try to look for cover, um, ascertain exactly where this person is and, if I have enough time to wait for backup. He's I mean said he's already killed two people. You're gonna want as many people there as possible with you and then I'm gonna get out of the car and start looking okay, banning.
Speaker 1:How about you, buddy?
Speaker 6:same thing. I mean you have a lot of differences between municipal and county and you know if at my last agency, if I was sent that call, I'm going to be going there by myself about a thousand square miles. We're going to try to get more backup there. I'm going to go up there and if I can lay eyes on the person and effectively communicate safely, I'm going to do that.
Speaker 6:Unfortunately, with calls like these, I mean sometimes we have mental health, a huge problem in the United States. You don't know if it's going to be that or not, but we just try to establish the mental health of what's going on. But obviously I mean he's claiming what would unfortunately be. It's a felony person. If I've identified him as the one that called 911, I'm going to detain him because of the you know, considered a rage estate statement of committing a murder times two and figure out what's going on and we're going to alert our CID and get other agencies involved if needed. But try to find out where these victims are If there's one still alive both still alive hopefully to where we can render aid. I mean it's going to be the basic one-on-one investigation to start off on this.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. Now, for me, the part that I'll add on is that I work for a municipality, so I've got the luxury of having backup, you know, 30 seconds a minute away, at all times. So for me, I'm going to get the cavalry there. Hey guys, let's all meet up at this point and then move in together. So that's going to be. I'm not going to be. I'm going to be in a rush to get to the scene, but not in a rush to get into the scene, if that makes sense. So once we all arrive, we'll start making a game plan. I'm going to pull up Google Maps on my way there and try to figure out how we can prevent anybody from getting out of the area and then also figure out the best way to approach it, because this is not a normal call. When you hear that somebody's called in because they've killed two people, I don't know that. I've ever had that call. I've never had that call, daniel. You've ever had that call?
Speaker 4:Never had that call. Only thing I would add is, if it wasn't said before, you definitely want to have dispatch run that phone number, see if it comes back to anyone, see if you can figure out who this guy is before you make contact. And then I worked in the city, not in the county, so kind of the same thing, eric. It's like there would be no situation where I would take a call like this where there wouldn't be a whole bunch of backup. Um, you want to try to get eyes on the person before they get eyes on you. Use time, cover distance. You're not in a hurry. If you need to use PAs to to give the person commands, that's the kind of stuff you do.
Speaker 1:But you know what. At some point you just got to go in and earn your paycheck. I'm going to assume that this is. These types of calls tend to be like a mental health thing, so Banning, I think you pointed that out. Somebody else in the comments I think it was Tim Owens was saying thank you for the mental health, and mental health should not be a death sentence. Agreed, I don't know any cop that goes in just wanting to kill somebody. The only one that I may have an exception for is the dude that killed the boiling water lady. I really feel like he wanted to kill somebody uh yeah, that fucking dude.
Speaker 1:Um, so, with that said, oh, steve wallace, shut man, almost, steve. Steve Wallace almost missed his first episode. He's never missed one, yet it's his first. I've seen his comment. So, uh, he was, he was waiting. We had so many people logged on, he's waiting for his moment. Welcome, steve, appreciate you brother. So, um, okay, we, we've only got seven seconds into this video, so let's see what happens. Oh, I see a guy in a hoodie. Oh, there he is. Okay, I'm gonna pause that. Okay, now we have a knife.
Speaker 1:This is a deadly force situation. Yeah, um, I don't think and I'm just gonna speak for everybody real quick there's not a single one of us right now, with just two officers, that would go to a taser here. Tasers will fail and this is a rough, approximate stat here. 40% of the time they're not going to work and when they rush up on you, time and distance is a factor and you are not going to have your taser out at the beginning. If anything, you have your gun and then you drop back down to your taser because you've assessed the situation. We didn't have time to do that. We already knew this was a deadly force situation because of the call details. Two people were killed, so I'm going to guess their guns were out. My gun would have been out, um, in in the ready low position, uh. And now you got a dude bum rushing you and I don't even know. We saw the knife in the camera. That doesn't mean the officer saw it, so anybody on the panel got anything different on that?
Speaker 5:no, yeah, I agree with that you better rookie, but you, it's not much you can do, man yeah, yeah, I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 1:I am the type of person like going against guns feels safer to me than going against knives.
Speaker 5:Yeah, logan, that's probably true. I guess the only thing I would say like I mean just to play devil's advocate it's like why are you pursuing though you know what I'm saying? What crime has occurred for you to pursue, like, what is your exact reasoning for that?
Speaker 1:right, yeah, yeah, exactly. And then sigma lord said stay in the car and hit his ass. Uh, that would be an option if you knew that that guy was even involved. But they're out on the scene. Look, that police car is parked. They've been there a second.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they've probably been there.
Speaker 1:So you know, it's not like they just rolled up, stopped because they saw this guy in a hoodie. I bet he just all of a sudden fucking appeared. So let's keep going here. Oh Lord, he's scrambling. I am not ashamed to run. I have run from a knife before.
Speaker 5:It's called a tactical retreat. My guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, not running.
Speaker 1:Fuck y'all, I'm running.
Speaker 3:I'm out.
Speaker 1:I ran an entire block To get away from a dude. Before Ran an entire block, somebody just tried to jump in. Uh, oh, hasht, I stand with Alan Nelson Guess who's here? Guys, alan's in the background. Um, so for me, uh, alan, feel free to show yourself too, by the way, but um, for me, I'm. I'm sprinting straight line, zigzag and whatever it is, I am sprinting away from this dude. I have done it before. I've done it from knives, I've done it from, um, what do you call those things that when you're cooking in a grill? The big two-pronged pokey thing?
Speaker 5:oh, yeah, that's. I mean, that's the same thing as a knife. Yeah, yeah you know what I'm talking about yeah, they'll go right through a vest.
Speaker 1:No dude chased me with that. I was out. He wasn't catching me, bro, I, I seriously, yeah, yeah, I. I ran a whole city block. I was out. I turned around. He is bent over tired. That's why I run long distance. People are like when are you ever gonna run a mile? I'm like you never know. I'd rather be able to run, run a long way and tire you out. I like the wolf approach man. They wear their prey out. You're chasing me. You're going to earn it.
Speaker 5:Cops are not equipped to deal with mental health crisis or mental health issues.
Speaker 1:Where do you see that one? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, NorCal Press Cops are not equipped to deal with mental health issues. Y'all don't have the demeanor.
Speaker 5:So my question is this right, some don't, because we, that's true, that's very much the truth some don't. So, most departments, probably in the in the country, but for sure in california, the big departments we have, uh per clinicians which are licensed, licensed clinicians and they deal with, um, people like who are experiencing mental health crisis, but they're not going to go talk to somebody holding a knife, bro. That is the reason why police are there to begin with. We have to make it safe for people to speak to. So you say you don't want police there. Who else do you send, like, who else is going to go out there? You're going to get a doctor to go talk to somebody with a knife? No, it's not going to happen, bro. They're not going to go do it. It's the reason why they have us do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely yeah, it's. There's Alan. What's up buddy? What's up guys? Mr Bill Folt was missing you tonight. So yes, I do agree there's. I will say there's a lot of cops that aren't fit to deal with mental health crisis, but then again, that isn't our primary function. Our primary function is law enforcement. Does it benefit us to be able to handle that stuff? Absolutely? And I think the more law enforcement progresses, the more we learn about mental health crisis shit guys. We just got rid of. Crisis Shit guys. We just got rid of in the grand scheme of things, we just got rid of nut houses or whatever the hell they used to call them. You know what I'm talking about, but think about that, eric.
Speaker 6:At least the state of Texas is moving towards law enforcement to be the new mental health advocate, and we have done a hell of a lot more training in the past 15 years to help equip veteran officers all the way down to rookies. But you're exactly right, these federally funded and state-funded mental health facilities have dwindled and now it's up to a county jail, which is not a suitable place to truly take care of somebody for mental health, and it's disgusting.
Speaker 1:Right. How are they working mental health stuff where you're at kat?
Speaker 3:so, honestly, there's a lot of different things going on. Um, they have these clinics that you could kind of go into, they medicate them and then they send them out. There's like the halfway-ish houses that that house them hold on, hold on, before you go too far.
Speaker 1:So are you talking like you as a cop? You run across the guy that you know is a notorious um schizophrenic and you recognize that he's off his meds. So you guys actually have a facility you can take him to get his meds put in.
Speaker 3:No, no, so there's places that they actually live kind of like a group home. I don't know exactly what it's called. Okay, they actually live kind of like a group home. I don't know exactly what it's called, but they live in these places.
Speaker 3:I know what you mean, um, usually for low income, but the everybody that lives in these places, they have psych issues, so when they leave, there's different, different ways that you know you could go about it. Um, there there is this thing that we can actually take them in based off of observation that they are either off meds or, if they say anything suicidal, homicidal, any of those things. But it has to be imminent. It can't be like, oh, I want to kill myself and they say it in banter or whatever. You have to be able to articulate like, yes, they said that and I believe it to be true and this is why.
Speaker 3:And you can actually take them to get a psych evaluation and, while you don't really get the outcome of the psych evaluation, but they're there for a while, a lot of times we do medicate them and usually it's pretty good when they give them like intravenous medication. If it's something that they have to take daily, then this is somebody that you're just going to see again and you're going to kind of go through the whole thing all over, all, all over again with them and kind of take them back to get another psyche valve for the same medication. Hopefully the doctor gives them something intravenous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think one of the big things to point out in policing is that when we deal with somebody like that that is a frequent flyer, constant mental health issue off of their meds, which usually is the that's the reason for most of it, or it's drug induced and they already have a mental health issue is they commit violent crimes. And an officer, even if they know that that person's having a mental health issue, safety and security come first and we get put in positions where they're like, well, he had mental health issues, fair, but we are not going to take that chance. And that's where the debate really starts to happen is how much can an officer, how much should an officer, have to put up with? And then what the public tends to see it is we need more training on that stuff. Well, how many different hats do you want your police wearing? Do you even want your police showing up? If you don't want the police showing up, who's going to show up? What do you got Trey?
Speaker 5:Tim Owens got a cool question. Where's he at said that you should have licensed clinicians oh yeah, so a lot of there is swapping.
Speaker 5:They have licensed conditions. They're not swat officers, but they're like a third party that is contracted out and they may work with a swat team, bro, but at the end of the day, these people cannot interact with somebody who has a gun, bro, like they had. That has to be addressed first. Before you can talk to somebody about their mental health stuff, you have to address the gun first to make it safe to even let that person speak to them. You can't just go in there, put a vest on and like, bro, that's crazy, that's what people are asking us to do.
Speaker 5:Essentially. That's not how it works, bro. That's not how it works. And you also got to understand sometime that there is no magical words that can get someone in handcuffs at times, like you can try all you want and sometimes the words just don't do it, bro. And at the end of the day, if you have to make someone go from point A to point B and they don't want to go, you have to make them go. So uh it. I know people wish that. You know you put a condition out there and they're going to have certain words to do. I've seen it in front of my eyes, bro, if somebody doesn't want to go, they don't want to go with the program, they're not going to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, daniel, you keep shaking your head.
Speaker 4:What you got, man, when Trey said there are no magic words. That's a phrase I use all the time, so I love it, man.
Speaker 1:That's 100% correct dude, maybe you taught that rookie something. Maybe he didn't know.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 6:I didn't think so I think he's just a smart guy.
Speaker 1:That's 100% correct, though there are no magic words For everybody watching. I want to go through years of experience so you guys can kind of see when you hear one of these officers say something, when you hear somebody on the panel say something, I want you to understand that their years of experience and what they're saying behind why they're saying what they're saying, it's going to be different. What Banning says is going to be different from what I say. Banning's got more time as a law enforcement officer. I've got 18 years. Banning, how long have you got 21?
Speaker 6:years and four years Marine Corps before that.
Speaker 1:So you got that, Kat. How long have you got?
Speaker 3:Seven years.
Speaker 4:Daniel 20 years and a law degree.
Speaker 1:There you go. Trey, Three years, Rookie as fuck. Alan, 16 years Now knowing that guys, here's the other difference. I work in a city that's got a million to 1.2 million Banning. How many did you have in your county?
Speaker 6:A. I work in a city that's got a million to 1.2 million Banning. How many did you have in your county? A little less than 14,000. Before that I was at a municipality for about 70,000 people.
Speaker 1:So he was dealing with some country shit out there. Kat, how many do you think you got where you're at?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm not even going to make up a number. A lot, millions A lot Daniel.
Speaker 1:What about you? 600, A lot Millions. A lot Daniel. What about you? $600,000. Okay, and then Trey.
Speaker 5:I'm in a pretty big city too, up in the millions for sure.
Speaker 1:Millions See. Fucking crazy Alan. What about you, buddy?
Speaker 2:I'm over there. We're banning that smaller side of it. I think our county is like 15,000.
Speaker 1:So that is, we're trying to give you guys across the nation experience across the spectrum as far as how many people and calls they've had had to deal with the quickness that they have backup available, like banning and alan didn't have backup regularly available, where the rest of us all had backup just around the corner all the time. That makes a difference on how we look at calls and how we handle calls.
Speaker 2:So let me ask you this question so if y'all are going to take somebody in for a mental health evaluation, say you make that determination that they need help. How far away would you have to take somebody?
Speaker 1:If you are on the farthest side of town, maybe 20 or 30-minute ride, maybe 45 if traffic's real bad.
Speaker 2:So once we would make a decision like that in my rural part of the state of Texas I could be in the car one way, maybe three hours. What?
Speaker 1:Yeah, three hours, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Because we don't have that kind of facility in our area, and so we would have to take them to the nearest. You know, like once you got mental health involved, they would have to try to find a hospital that had a bed open, and they would call all over the state. I had been um, so I live near the Lubbock area. I've been all the way to Wichita falls and Abilene. I've been to San Antonio from Lubbock to take one person to a mental health facility.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, norcal press. Uh, he hit my heart on this one, so I had to show this. Every cop should have a minimum of a purple belt in brazilian jiu-jitsu. Um, I lean on a blue belt yeah, purple is kind of.
Speaker 5:That's unreasonable.
Speaker 1:I'm a purple belt, um, but I I think minimum should be blue. But I'm with you. I understand where your heart's coming from. I wish I could make it be a purple, but I think a blue is more realistic and something that departments should pay for. But you're 100% right. You want to lower use of forces from police. Make them be mandatory. Blue belts in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu From a reputable gym, not some McDojo. I've been rolling since 06, baby. The only reason I'm still a purple belt is because I can't stay consistent enough because of shift change and I'm still in the military and I got kids, so it's just excuses, but that's why I'm not a black belt.
Speaker 1:Somebody else said Tim Owens. So we're still talking about the mental health side. So Tim said this is an issue for me that scares me personally. I've been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress, ptsd as I'm sure many police officers and military veterans have. But my concern is that if I'm having a mental crisis, I don't want to have to catch a bullet to end it. If there is a different outcome that sometimes maybe our police officers aren't looking for that.
Speaker 5:There is a different outcome that sometimes maybe our police officers aren't looking for that.
Speaker 1:I want to put your mind at ease that I think that PTSD has been beat down in police officers, military firefighters, every first responder you can think of. It's been beat down in their head the last 10 to 15 years and we can thank the war in Iraq and Afghanistan that's been going on for the last 20-something years. They brought a lot of that to light. That spilled over into the first responder world and a lot of us military that had all that we brought it over into the police world. So if there's one thing I'm really confident in these days is anytime we deal with somebody that has PTSD Me personally I've dealt with several military guys or other first responders that have had crisis and been able to help them out, been able to talk them down Banning what about you being a Marine?
Speaker 6:You know PTSD I. I refuse to put a D on it for for many reasons and I believe it's a lot easier for the your wife would get mad about that yeah.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I couldn't resist that you put it out there bro.
Speaker 6:You know and I and I truly, truly believe through, through time, proper therapy, that the majority of folks can can truly get help on it and programs are getting better. But I'm seeing much better programs that are privately funded or 501C3 from anything that the VA has to offer and anybody that's connected to me on LinkedIn. If you're a peace officer, normal person that's got a regular job, I don't care what you have. There's a lot of programs out there that people don't know about and I get on a high, so to speak, naturally helping people to get into these right programs. A lot of them are free, to no cost or they'll just bill your insurance if you have some type of insurance.
Speaker 6:If you don't have insurance, there's other programs out there for that and they don't get advertised enough because they're a 501c3, nonprofit or even some of the for-profit ones that are lower in cost, only because they can't afford that overhead of getting stuff out there and doing the SEO controls on Google and whatnot. I've got a slew and a list. So if you're connecting me on LinkedIn and you want some of that information, you need some help. I get literally hundreds of messages a month where I can direct guys and gals that are going through these problems, and I love doing that. Uh, there are a lot of programs out there that people don't know about and I'll be happy to share with whoever, because mental health is a major deal that we are not, as a country, uh, dealing with properly right now. It's, it's, it's very sad.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, um wanted, before we finish this video. This is what happens to us all the time. I promised I would get faster at showing the whole video, but your guys' questions are important. Plain Jane said damn it, where'd it go? I told her I would fucking have it too.
Speaker 1:Something about cops knowing the Constitution. Oh yeah, there, there it is. Why don't cops have to know the constitution? They do, absolutely, um here, daniel, I'm really gonna want your input on this, but I'm going to kind of lead the way I think officers are taught the constitution absolutely. That is at every police academy across the nation.
Speaker 1:The problem is is the constitution says one thing and now they have to apply that practically to situations that are not clear. So when they get out there and they're like all right, sir, um, I was called here. They said there was a suspicious person here. You're the only person I see. I'm going to need your ID and hopefully at a good academy they would have covered something like that. You don't have a right to ID this person. However, there are some very poorly trained academies still out there. Guys, we've seen them. We've called them out. On this show a lot people are like well, it's clear that it's in the constitution. Well, no, that's not clear in the constitution. It's also not very clear to officers, unless they've been trained properly, that that's not a reason to id. So it is not as easy as you think. Just because you know the Constitution and then you start to deal with situations in the field. And I would challenge any single one of you that think you know the Constitution inside and out.
Speaker 1:I will put you through scenario-based training and then you tell me if you're going to pass it because you know the Constitution, now you got to remember. If you think you're uphold to pass it because you know the Constitution, now you got to remember. If you think you're upholding the Constitution and you still have legal things that you are supposed to do, you're still upholding the Constitution, but you have legal obligations. I want you to navigate those. It's a pain. It's not as easy as it looks. I promise it's not as easy as it looks. I promise it's not as easy as it looks, daniel. Tell me what you got, buddy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think that's a really good point that there is a difference between taking a constitutional law or having to write a constitutional law essay in law school, where you have some time and you can think about it. And there's also a difference between when you're sitting at home from the comfort and safety of your own house, you're watching body camera video and you already know how it's going to end, being able to say that's what the cop should have done. That's different than being a police officer in the moment, where you may not know all of the facts of the case. You may not know everything that someone else might know once the case is done, because you're watching a video that's a week old, so in the moment it isn't always as clear. And just like you said, eric, I think it's really important that police academies it's impossible for them to go over every single possible scenario with an officer in the academy during training, with an officer in the academy during training what police academy should try to do is really try to teach these concepts to police officers.
Speaker 4:And also one of those concepts is that it's okay to take a break, it's okay to ask for help, it's okay to ask questions Just because you're out with someone and you're not sure whether and you're not sure it's okay to ask, it's okay to stop and not everything has to be 100 miles an hour and I think that you know when police officers and I think in more experienced police officers do know that kind of stuff. And yeah, someone said in the comments that police officers need more training. I agree. The issue is that more training and you know better training and better cops that takes more funding and unfortunately, maybe not the person that comments, but a lot of the time, the same people criticizing police officers for saying that they're not trained enough are the exact same group of people who are also on the side of defunding police, which makes no sense.
Speaker 1:Right, and you know, I think I like the name DB, the Irish guy. I don't know what DB stands for, so I'm not going to make any assumptions, but it says if it's not clear means no arrest. Agree, yeah, I mean suspect case, make a report and don't arrest A hundred percent. And I like what Daniel said there and I think what he was. The way I interpreted it is slow the fuck down. There's there's no need to come to a decision, but cops get pressured. So this is another thing to consider.
Speaker 1:Like a city like mine, if I go log in right now, there's 30 calls holding for service, like just on one side of town, and there's like seven sides of town where I'm from. So you know what I mean. The pressure from your bosses and shit is like get out there and answer fucking calls. The citizens deserve that. But at the same time they're going to get pissed off at you because you're taking more time on a call than what they think is necessary. So that's what we run into. That's the battle as cops. And before I get to the video, like I said I'm going to do 10 minutes ago Sigma Lord, associate's degree in law minimum Fine, but you got to pay cops for it.
Speaker 1:That's the trade-off. Everybody that wants. There's people that want cops to have a law degree. There's people that want cops to have psychology degrees. There's people that want cops to have English major degrees. They want them to have constitutional law, specific degrees, whatever I guess that covers under law. But you want them to have the stuff. That's great you got to pay them you have to make. You can't expect somebody like Banning, who's working in a uh you know, for a sheriff's department, making fucking forty thousand dollars, forty thousand a year, whatever the fuck you're making, banning, I'm just throwing that out there. Uh, how are you gonna get him that degree? How are you gonna get, how are you gonna convince somebody to go out and get that degree when they can go get a job anywhere else with that same degree, making a fuck ton more being a legal helper?
Speaker 4:Daniel, what are those called those legal?
Speaker 1:helpers, paralegal, paralegals, there you go, that's what I meant.
Speaker 4:I was one of two cops in my state who had a law degree and the law degree cost six figures.
Speaker 1:So again the idea that all police officers should have to get a degree that costs six figures to go work as a police officer.
Speaker 7:That's not a reasonable thing to say.
Speaker 1:I got you. Okay, let's get to this fucking video. Let's finish this son of a bitch. Let me get this off here, tim. We'll get to your comment. I promise, buddy, you wrote a lot so I don't want to let it go to waste. Damn. Okay For me. I'm telling you, I'm running, I'm pushing off, I'm trying to make him fall, I'm not going to my gun, going to your gun is going to get you killed here, guys.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you're too close.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Trey, what do you got bud?
Speaker 5:In the part where he was wrestling with him. You got to just fight that out. It's too close to shoot. And your partner can't shoot, because that's I mean, unless you're a pinpoint sniper best shooter in the world. Yeah, maybe, but that's kind of so close now you got to kind of fight that out All right, kat, you're his partner.
Speaker 1:You see your boy wrapped up and you're responding from over here by the car to come help him.
Speaker 3:What is your move here? So unfortunately I don't want to be within that 21 feet right, it depends on like what stage in the fight is he. Is he able to kick off and continue running? If he is, then we're going to let him do that, rather than approach and be mixed up in this mumbo jumbo and get stabbed too. If it turns to the point where he does stab him, then unfortunately I'm going to have to go lethal.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's unfortunate. What if?
Speaker 3:you don't have a shot Of what do you mean?
Speaker 5:Size 9.? What if you don't have a shot Of what do you mean Size 9.?
Speaker 1:What if your partner's in the way? What if your partner's between you and that bad guy?
Speaker 3:Then we're going to have to brawl. But the thing is he's got a knife. So rather than him get stabbed and me get stabbed and then we have to fight with stab wounds and then possibly use tourniquets and stuff like that, it's probably going to be lethal. If I see him stab my partner, it is Gotcha.
Speaker 1:So I will say for me, if my partner is wrapped up and I have a position of advantage for moving in to just, you know, try to use a Brahma bowl, attempt, come up, give a good front kick, come up, just shoulder check, whatever I can do, because I can't risk a shot Now. This is going to be the difference in years of experience. Kat, it's not that your answer's wrong. I don't think that yours is wrong. It's just in my time and seeing stupid shit like this where you're like you're fucked all the way around, it's just in my time. And seeing stupid shit like this where you're like you're fucked all the way around, it doesn't matter, you're effed all the way around. So what I would be doing if I'm close enough, if I can get him off my partner without you know giving up that element of surprise, I may just come up and try to go for just an old fashioned body check or fucking old school Goldberg his ass if anybody remembers a little bit of WWC wrestling where you spear him or a contact shot. That's not off the table either. It's really hard for your partner. This guy's going to be hyper-focused on the partner. He's not going to see you coming. That's the hope.
Speaker 1:Anybody got anything else to add on that? No, okay, let's keep going. Oh, he thought he was still in the car. I'm going to go back a little bit. Look where he looked when he ran up there. He's got that shysty mask on, you little bastard. So he runs up and he looks into the driver's seat. He was trying to ambush him that way. That threw him off. Okay, this officer, he did exactly what I would do, except he tried to do some juke moves he wasn't ready for. I would have bolted, I would have been gone. I've been running the 40 right then and there Banning. What do you got?
Speaker 6:If that's my partner or a civilian that's dealing with that guy with his knife, I'm going up there and get wrapped up. That's what we took notes to do. I know that not everybody would answer with that.
Speaker 1:Um, I've got a little bit of power behind me I was gonna say let's, let's be honest, banning six foot nine and he's 900 pounds.
Speaker 6:So shit, I wish, uh, I'm gonna wrap up with him. You know, if you, if you gotta go point blank, deadly, to protect a life and you know I mean communication is obviously we're not at communication stage here this is a deadly force scenario and I hate to see that, but uh, you're gonna have to stop it right then and there. And if you got to come up point blank to get that the thrusting of the knife to stop, then we have to do that.
Speaker 1:Um, and it's unfortunate yeah, so I mean, I didn't even mean to pause it here, I just hit the space bar on accident. You've got no shot, you can't take that.
Speaker 3:Not from there, but that's why I said it depends on where they are in the fight. If it's something where he's clearly over him and stabbing him like and I should also mention like I've seen something like this, which is why I answered the way I did yeah, um, it depends where they are in the fight. If they're like this, I'm not shooting. There's no way, because all it takes is a little bit of tango and you got the wrong person yeah, and and this is a good, this is okay.
Speaker 1:So for people, I wonder why cops are so paranoid. Sometimes I mean, look this dude, this is an ambush, this is what he was going for, guys. So when it's not ridiculous, when people go on, if you're so afraid, why do you do the job? Like, look look at the weird shit we got to deal with. Sometimes I'm not, I'm not saying this happens every single day, but when you get these videos thrown down your fucking throat all the time, like this is what the paranoia starts to come from. So you guys know me, I'm gonna call out bad police all the time. We're always gonna call them out.
Speaker 1:But I also want to bridge that gap through the understanding. Like, listen, we're also showing these videos all the time too, where cops are constantly getting ambushed and and have to deal with weird, crazy scenarios that the general population I'm not including our audience, because crazy scenarios that the general population I'm not including our audience, because our audience is not the general population, but the general population doesn't see or hear about this stuff. They're not like us, guys, they're not like you in the audience right now, they're not the ones that have these videos where we're watching hundreds of videos of shitty cops and we're watching hundreds of videos of cop police work in general, because on my feed, my algorithms they're trained to see cops doing good work and they're trained to see cops doing bad work. And then I would say, nine out of the ten videos I end up using on TikTok and Instagram and whatnot are from y'all.
Speaker 1:Y'all send them to me. So please, I implore you, please, send me some of the good cop videos, guys. You do send me the bad ones all the time and I try to hit each one, but I want to be a little even, guys. There's a lot of good cop videos out there. I find them myself. Change your algorithms up a little bit. It's all I'm asking. So let's keep going with this video here. Okay, we still are not in a position to shoot.
Speaker 3:No, that's what I'm saying. This is too much. They're all over the place.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:All over the place.
Speaker 1:So here, daniel, what do you got man? What are you?
Speaker 4:thinking right now, what's your move? I mean you, absolutely, you guys are right, right, you, absolutely, right now, do not have a shot. You have, you have to get in the fight. Um, you don't have a shot from where you are and that backup officer isn't doing any good from 10 feet away yeah yeah, yeah, you look at the parking spots and the vehicle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's probably a good assessment. I would say seven to ten feet right there, um, um.
Speaker 6:I mean, I mean here's here's the deal, eric, and I'm going to bring this up because, unfortunately, I've been in these. I've seen so many unfortunate, you know, law enforcement get like oh God, what do I, what do I? And as you're doing that in your head, people are freaking dying. You've got to get in there and act. I don't care if it's a police officer you're protecting, I don't care if it's an old lady walking down the street to a guy crossing the road with his family and they get wrapped up in something like that. You have to go. You don't get zero time to act. You've got to go up there and stop that threat, just like the school stuff. You know that's our frigging job. You go up there and act. And I understand that.
Speaker 6:The shot where he's standing at no, I'm not going to take that shot either. I'm going to close that gap and we're going to get point blank. We're going to get up close and dirty and we're going to stop it. I don't care if I got to split that spine to make sure nobody freaking gets hurt. Yeah, and I know people don't want to hear that and oh my god, that's mean. And here's the deal. This, this dude's going after somebody with a knife. He's already made a claim if this is the same call, because we've been on it for an hour and a half that he's killed two people and that's what lured law enforcement there to begin with. I hope to God there's not two people gone, but we have to stop this and we have to get in there, point blank range and stop this, and we have to be able to articulate it afterwards. I mean, that's what our job is and it pisses me off, man, that I see so many videos like this. People are like, oh God, get in there and freaking, stop it, stop that.
Speaker 2:Where your partner doesn't die or somebody on the street doesn't die, there's one point in that, right there, where he looks up at his partner and he's like are you coming? The guy falls to the ground. There was that moment to close the distance. It's kind of even when the taser is being used, when people fail to respond when it. Could you know when it's that moment to get get the advantage.
Speaker 1:Yep, but let's talk about police training in general. Guys, are we ever we're not taught? I've never been taught. Run up there, contact shot. What are we taught? Distance is your friend, it is beat into your head. Taught. Distance is your friend, it is beat into your head. Distance is your friend. This guy's fighting every yeah, this guy's fighting every instinct that he has, that he's been trained. And we're sitting here like I'll run a bottom, like I sympathize with him because you're fighting training you're. That mindset goes against the way that we're trained, because there's no scenario where this has ever been trained in a police academy. So that's just something to consider. So I want to get to Zach's comment, because it is I 100% agree, and I bet Daniel's all over this one as well Cops should be more well-versed in case law that determines how to interpret the Constitution.
Speaker 1:That is how you learn situational applications of the Constitution and I could not fucking agree more. I get so frustrated with cops when they do not keep up to date with case law. This is why you see so many cops like you can't film me and they're on a public sidewalk. You know why you see so many cops like you can't film me and they're on a public sidewalk. You know why? That is Because they haven't kept up on case law.
Speaker 1:Go ahead Daniel.
Speaker 2:They're sitting in their car watching YouTube videos of people doing it the wrong way.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, daniel, come on, buddy, I know you got something on this, I don't have anything else to add?
Speaker 4:That's 100% correct. Okay, so you agree. I agree with the comment 100%, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And Zach, you want to help improve policing. Case law study is one thing that policing significantly lacks in. We do not keep up with case law 100%, bud, and it drives me up the wall. I could go out and ask Now my guys, the guys that work for me I am still a field supervisor I will hit it at roll call. Okay, hey guys, you pulled someone over and you want to get them out of the car. What is your justification for doing that? Like, I will nail them with case law all the time. They know pennsylvania versus mims. They know marilyn v wilson. They know fuck. They probably know roe v wade. They know all these case laws because I am constantly trying to keep up with case law stuff. Um, and it's hard, it's not an easy thing to do because there's there's no like one. I use police one a lot for my case law stuff, cat.
Speaker 1:What do you guys use for your case law? Do you guys get any case law updates?
Speaker 3:oh, they, honestly they don't do it for too much. They hit just the major cases that we apply, you know, every day, but like they're, they don't fit it in where it should be fit. And so, for example, when they do the scenarios and everything where it could be spoken upon, it's like a perfect opportunity to like match the case law to how we apply it. But unfortunately we don't.
Speaker 1:We don't have that yeah, that I mean we're discussing a major flaw in policing right now. Zach, you brought it up, so kudos to zach. I mean, and kat is not at a, she's at a major department. I'll just leave it at that. She's at a big place. We lost Trey, that son of a bitch. This kid was probably crying how about for you? The?
Speaker 2:kid stole the Wi-Fi.
Speaker 1:Yeah, alan. How about for you? Like, was case law something that was kept up where you were at, or was it something you had to do on your own?
Speaker 2:I had to do on your own. I had to do on my own. I actually had one of the best trainings of my career, was like a just knock and talk training, and at first when I went it was like why am I going to this? And the instructor kind of broke it down and explained to us that we don't need to just know the case law from our region, we need to know what's happening from the regions around us, because even if we, you know, here in Texas, don't see in the second district court, you know how things are affecting us it's eventually going to trickle down to us, you know, 10 years from now. Now, and I didn't see that in the beginning of my career, but by the end of it it was like, yeah, it did, that's you know. And so we have to be aware of how the laws affect everybody um, there, where's that comment?
Speaker 1:uh, and I don't know how to say your name. Never I'm going to say it. That's the other thing. Bad cops don't care about any education. They only care about what they can impose on citizens. Sorry, I was reading another comment.
Speaker 1:I don't agree with that. I think bad cops oftentimes either one think they're in the right, two don't know what to do, and then ego takes over. And that is where I think the bad cops come in is they don't have the ability to recognize when their shortcomings are hitting. When their shortcomings are hitting, they don't recognize they're emotionally vulnerable, emotionally vulnerable and their emotional intelligence side tends to lack and stuff like that. So Daniel had to go, guys. He said he had to take off. He'll see us next week, but I wish I would have known, I would have let him say goodbye.
Speaker 1:But make sure you guys check out Police Law News on TikTok, on Instagram, on Facebook, on all the things Police Law News. So but yeah, my personal thought on bad cops is it's they already have shitty training. They don't know what to do. Their ego takes over. It's not that they just want to come out there and be an asshole. I don't think. I think that is the 0.00000001% of people. That's the freak anomaly that gets in, but I do think the majority of the bad cops that we see on video has a lot to do with ego taking over and not knowing what to do well.
Speaker 2:Added to that, I think it's uh followed from their environment to like who is training them? You know field training. You know their, their bad habits that they learn from? Yeah, are. Are they required to have pressed uniforms and things like that To look the part, or are they able to look like they're not playing, you know?
Speaker 1:It leads into everything. Look at the video of that inmate that was killed. There was not a single person that looked shocked At them beating the shit out of that guy handcuffed. That tells me that that's the culture Of where they work.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it looked like a they work. Yeah, it looked like a regular day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it looked like just any other day. Yeah. And I'm like I think that was what Benny and I first cued in I'm like nobody's. Like if it had been me, I'd have been like like my first reaction would have been there would have been some movement out of my body, like what the fuck are you doing, dude?
Speaker 6:he's handcuffed. Like what are you doing? Like that would have been my first reaction. Nobody moved, fucking crazy. Hey, eric, just hey, I'm gonna. I'm gonna segue for one second disclaimer.
Speaker 6:Not a medical doctor, not a therapist. I've seen a lot of shit in my life, but here's banning's opinion. I started this in 2002 and I'm going to talk about mental health. At that time frame, it's after 9 11. We have a lot of people that go in to their general practitioner, whatever it is, their local, their local doctor their insurance takes care of or whatever they can see, and unfortunately, this is banning's opinion. Okay, but these doctors, what they do is here's a symptom, here's a pill, here's a symptom, here's a pill. And we all know that. We see these commercials every day on social media, on our frigging television screens. Everything coming in piping through our phones is you're feeling like this take this. And then the little side effects that you hear for 30 seconds after they tell you all the good about the pill. And this is just Banning's opinion.
Speaker 6:I think big pharma and they're probably going to come bust in my friggin hotel door and take me out tonight for saying this Don't get Clinton. They, they, they, they better friggin bring an army, because I hit pretty hard. But all I'm saying is is we always talk about oversight for law enforcement, which we have to have. That Where's the frigging oversight other than this minor oversight from the DEA for these pill doctors that are pumping all this stuff into these people? And they only came in with a minor depression, which we all get. We all get the anxiety, we all get the depression and instead of saying let's look at your diet, let's look at what's going on, naturally, to find out it's, it's and I'm not trying to use SSRIs to be also known as Xanax or other other things for any depression and you look at the side effects on this and it's turning a lot of people into monsters.
Speaker 6:Again, this is opinion based, but looking at this for 21 years and where mental health was at where I was at in law enforcement to where it's at when I just recently got out, it's atrocious and I think we need to focus a lot there, because this country is in crisis when it comes to mental health and these doctors that's what they've been taught. I'm not mad at the doctors, but it's pill for a symptom, pill for a symptom, and then you've got a 30-year-old guy that maybe had four years in the military and he's taking nine to ten pills to start his frigging day and side effects have gone everywhere, creating a whole different personality. And then sometimes it ends up just like this video and that's not the person that was born. It's doctor-induced, big pharma-induced and I'll get off my soapbox but it just pisses me off to see all this stuff going on the street and I believe a lot of us to do with your frigging, local frigging pill mills and it just pisses me off.
Speaker 1:Hey, buddy, I like it. I like when Bannon goes off the fucking rails. So I'm going to stop sharing real quick. Because we got on the topic of ego, I want to put this out there real quick. I want you to see my face closer so you know how serious I am.
Speaker 1:The place that I work we have developed a course for officers that is based around ego. The course is about officer's ego and I told all of the team today I'm going to bring the instructor that created this course. He created the course based around all of our talks on Two Cops, one Donut about ego. So the show has created a course for a major department about cops and their ego and how to see the warning signs and how to deal with it, and for how other officers to see an officer's ego taken over and how to step in and stop that from and squash it from happening. So I am going to do a mini series on our YouTube channel about how cops can recognize the ego and how to deal with it, so you can see police training that's very progressive and that is developed specifically because of what you guys have pointed out in this show.
Speaker 1:It's going to be a mini-series. So every time we post a video about a cop and his ego, now we're going to reference that department. When we see it, we're going to be like, hey, you obviously have a problem with officer ego at your department because of this video. We're not just going to point out your problem, we're going to offer you a solution. Go to the Two Cops One Donut YouTube page and you will see the mini-series on how to deal and train your officers with their egos so it doesn't become a problem. So we're not just talking about problems, we're offering solutions. So I'll go back to that video. I just wanted to put that out there. I thought that was cool, I thought it was different, something that isn't being done, and I think it'll be. We'll see how it goes. Um, shit, where the video go. Oh, here we go, all right and play sit down, you stuck, give me your hand did anybody else see him get shot?
Speaker 1:I didn't see him get shot.
Speaker 3:Mm-mm.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go back. Please deal with this. Okay, didn't hear a shot. Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. Okay, he's reaching for his gun. Here you stuck I didn't hear it.
Speaker 5:I think it was happening when he was wrapped up with his arm in it.
Speaker 2:You all right. I thought I heard a gunshot.
Speaker 1:I didn't hear it. Yeah, I think you're right, though I think it was while he was wrapped up. I think that's why they paused it while he was on the draw. Right, I'm going to pause Banning's back in, so I'm going to bring him back in. He had to reconnect. He scrambled draws right here. I think this he makes a contact shot.
Speaker 2:we just right about where he gets to that next white line probably right there, we just can't hear it I think he hears you stuck. No, because he's up in the jacket you all right damn, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't hear or see anything. Um, okay, all right, let's go to the next video. Share this one, play and biggie size Boom. Sixth floor. Oh, we've seen this? No, we haven't. Never mind, I thought this was that case one. Chicago police, chicago police.
Speaker 7:Chicago Police.
Speaker 1:Oh, chicago, yeah, what's going on? Nothing. Whoa what's up. All right, that happened quick. I think, officers, when we're at our most vigilant is in a doorway. Mm-hmm. Kat, what do you got you coming up to a door? We don't know what the call is, but does it matter? We know we're knocking on an apartment door. How are you approaching that?
Speaker 3:Knock and back up out that doorway to the left or right, but don't stand directly in front of the door and I'm usually going to wait for somebody to open the door for me. Even if I see that cracked a little bit, I'll give it a little bit. It takes 10 seconds for them to come to the door. Then it takes 10 seconds unless I hear somebody like asking for help or something you know. I'm gonna wait till the person comes to the door, but I'm standing cantered off to the sides okay um banning.
Speaker 1:What do you got on that?
Speaker 6:same thing. You know same thing. We all know that that's the fatal funnel. So we're gonna go up there, we're gonna listen, we're gonna, we're gonna use all our other senses other than vision if we can't see it. Obviously, if we hear something that we have to make entry, we're going to go in and face that, but again we don't know what the call is when we get there and we're trying to hear, we're trying to listen, we're trying to get dispatch to do callbacks, get as much information as we can, you know I'm not gonna say that this officer did something wrong, but that's where I'm at on it yeah, um, and for me, uh, being stuck in a hallway with nowhere to retreat, like that's a big concern for me.
Speaker 1:So if I get presented with a threat, before I even make contact with the door, I'm already considering these things. So for you guys listening that don't do police work or you're kind of wondering, like what's going through our minds, like I'm already considering places to retreat, if I get stuck in a position, if you look at where we're at, we don't really have anywhere to go. I'm not going to out. Yeah, where's my out? That's a good, good way to put it. Where's my out? I don't have an out here and I'm not going to backpedal. Backpedaling is one of the ways that cops get killed the easiest, because we end up tripping over our feet while we're fucking in panic mode. So in this position I'm not seeing much option. This dude's probably going to get shot. So I can see a big-ass blade already.
Speaker 2:I think it's second nature for all of us, especially after experience. You hit a door and it moves like that your your hands already coming with a gun out of your holster, like it's just an innate reaction of like doors don't just open for you. In law enforcement Generally, you know we're taught that bad things happen on the other side of the door. I'm going to let the door breathe and that's what happened.
Speaker 1:Yep, we're getting more comments about ego, zach said. I couldn't agree more about the comment about ego. So it's number one red flag of bad cops is if they have an ego, and I agree. That is when I'm looking for guys and girls on my team. That is the first thing I'm looking for. Do they have an ego? I don't mind arrogance. There's a difference. I can deal with a cocky officer because they think they know everything, fine. I can deal with thaty officer because they think they know everything, fine, can deal with that.
Speaker 1:Mine is the fragile. You know I think it was plain. Jane said especially the fragile ego, yeah, yeah, the fragile guys that they can dish it out but they can't take it. That's how I start screening my people. If we're in roll call and you can dish out the, you know the insults all day because that's how roll call goes. But the moment somebody throws one back at you and you get pissy, that's a huge red flag for me and that is my way of screening my people safely. So I don't have to screen them when they're dealing with y'all, and no one's ever taught me that. It's just how I've learned it, um, through my experience. So I, I, I give that freely as a tool to anybody else there that has uh, to deal with. Um, you know public safety and and and do what we do. Start screening your guys and girls. Sorry, kat, we're not used to having girls on the panel. So okay, cat, from your position, what ego's got to be a thing you see as a female cop?
Speaker 1:quite a bit yeah, um she's like I don't want to fucking say about it I mean?
Speaker 3:I mean, you can do it as much as you can so it is.
Speaker 3:um, I think guys start to realize when they do have a female officer on scene that can talk to people. Um, sometimes sometimes things go a little bit smoother. I feel like sometimes, when men, you know you're you're going to a call, somebody's already upset and then you have a man show up and man man, sometimes it's a little bit of a testosterone battle. It's just what I see. Sometimes it's easier for them to talk to me, other times it's not. But yeah, I do see the ego come out and then when they don't want to talk to each other, then you know it's a war of words and we're not getting anywhere with a war of words.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I see, I see, when I you know in that I think that takes a good supervisor I won't even say a good supervisor, an involved supervisor should be out there with their people and be able to step in when they can. If they see the ego start to take over, that's their job. We're all susceptible to it, guys. So everybody out there is like cops with egos. Don't belong. Listen. You have an ego. Everybody gets an ego. We all do. It's just a matter of how far you let it go, and is anybody around to keep it in check? I have had my officers let their ego get the best of them and all they do is put a hand on their shoulder. Hey, I got it. That's it. Step back. Nope, no one's violated anything. You're just talking like. You're starting to talk like an asshole. It's my turn, let me take over. You got emotionally invested. You let your ego take over. Whatever, it is my job. Now I'll step in, or your partner steps in, or whatever it is when I think it comes with, uh, the situation too.
Speaker 2:You know you might be having a bad day and your sergeant does a good job of supervising that. You know that's when I want to be pulled off. If I cross that line, because it happens to all of us we all have a bad day and all of a sudden it slips out and you're like you know you don't catch it, but somebody beside you is like hey, let me, let me start talking yeah, uh, no, lease it.
Speaker 1:My sergeant keeps me in check and hot situations has kept me from getting complaints.
Speaker 6:Nice, you know, let me, let me you know for the other officers that are that are watching this out there, because I've done this just as a slick sleeve and that just means a patrol officer. I've got a corporal sergeant and a lieutenant, usually on shift. This is back in my municipal days. But how many of you have the frigging cojones to pull a sergeant out? I've pulled sergeants out, I've pulled lieutenants out, because ego becomes an effect and I don't care what your rank is, but it's your frigging job to get in there and stop that. You may get fired, you may get put to the side after the investigation. You're going to get reinstated because you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 6:But ego has no frigging rank. Sometimes it's it's it's going to call upon the highest ranking guy there and and he may not be the person for that rank and he attained it for whatever reason and his ego gets the best of him, that slick slaver, that officer, even though he may lose his job. It's their job to stop that, eject it from the situation to whatever's causing the friction if it's that ego and I've done that. So don't be afraid to do that. I'm going to tell you right now do not be afraid to stop your supervisor If you see that ego going to check and it's about to be a force on force situation because of that mouth or that attitude that he's bringing to the scene. Get him out of there. I don't know. You got to call above. Get a call, you know, call somebody else get that SOB out of there.
Speaker 1:Trying she's a young officer too pulls her sergeant out because he's he's going too hard in the paint on the the suspect in the back seat and he like fucking chokes her, like grabs her by her throat, pushes her back. Oh, would you fucking tell me what to do? And um, you see officers standing by in the moment like not doing something, and there's a lot of people like why the fuck didn't any of those other officers do anything? And do I have a right as a citizen to do something? I think Mr Bill Foley brought that up earlier like no, you, you cannot get involved in that as a citizen. If you see that happening and there's a bunch of cops around, like if you want to get involved during that time, that there's a bunch of cops around, like if you want to get involved during that time, that that's when you need, you want to be a help, go become a cop, like that's what they're certified to do. That's just the way the law is. So you know, I understand the want to help and do I think you'd actually get in trouble for trying to come to an officer's assistance that's being assaulted by another cop? No, but I don't recommend it. I don't want to put yourself in that position. I wouldn't. I wouldn't recommend that.
Speaker 1:So, um, but in those situations where you see a under officer trying to you know, a lower ranking officer try to do something to a higher ranking officer, like that's few and far between, doesn't happen often, I don't, I don't. My guys, they know, they know how I am They'll pull me and say, hey, sarge, like I don't think that's quite right, like you've been out of, you haven't been a patrol officer a minute, like that's you know, and I minute, like that's you know, and I get caught up in that. I like the way we used to do things isn't how they're allowed to do things anymore. So occasionally I'm wrong. But they come to a sergeant no, no, no, it's this way now and I'm like, oh, okay, that makes sense. I remember that now.
Speaker 1:No ego, get rid of your ego, even as a sergeant. Get rid of your fucking ego. So, oh shit, write, crispy, maintain your bearing. The only power people have over you is your reaction. Let your coworkers know not to do unlawful stuff. Falsify reports in front of you, in front of you, or you'll report it. Be strong, agreed, agreed. That's a good comment. So with that, let's keep going with the fucking video. Guys, completely understand. You got that. I consider that suicide by cop cat. What do you think?
Speaker 3:I agree. I mean what? What? There's nothing else that you uh what do you?
Speaker 1:do yeah I mean the whole, even for those that aren't in police work. You probably heard of the 21 foot rule. We're talking five feet. That that guy was and that's giving a lot of grace. That was probably two to three feet, but there's nowhere to go. The elevator door is shut. You got nowhere to retreat to guys. That guy wanted to be shot, that's all there is to it. That is a suicide by cop. From here we're going to go into life-saving measures. We got to secure the knife and then go into life-saving measures 10-1, shots fired.
Speaker 7:10-1, shots fired. Shots fired.
Speaker 1:Full disclosure. I didn't look at the alcohol content in this new bottle I got and I'm like I'm getting a little slurry and I'm not normally slurry after what I've drank. This fucking thing's at like almost 60 percent and I I just looked down. I'm like god, why am I like? Am I turning into a lightweight? No shit, strong.
Speaker 2:I can't show you what I'm drinking. Mr Balefold's not on here to support me. Did he get?
Speaker 1:off. I haven't seen him in a while. He hasn't been talking Actually he wasn't here. I can message him. I'll be like where are you at, you drinking Malibu?
Speaker 2:Yeah, baby and Dr Pepper.
Speaker 6:I'm just drinking some Embassy Sweets coffee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, you lying asshole.
Speaker 3:Probably sparkling water. There you go there you go Kat.
Speaker 1:you're so lame.
Speaker 6:She got some Everclear in there.
Speaker 2:We just talked about that.
Speaker 1:Right, all right. We've got multiple angles on this, so we're going to watch the next body. Cam Dang, your boy came out of the elevator like Kool-Aid man, smiling, call the police. Okay. So him pushing the door open, ban, open, banning is that legal? Can we do that?
Speaker 6:so the door is already ajar. So there's, there's a. There's gonna be a lot of comments. I'm not going to like I said I'm. I use a different thought process and a lot of officers. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna listen. If we gotta, you know, step back at dispatch, take that time to make the call. Hey, law enforcement, that's your door. Come out and speak to law enforcement. Time is on your side at this point, before he opened that door. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but right now, time's on your side. Listen, find out what's going on.
Speaker 1:Yep, tim Owens brought up a cool question he said so I have a question. We've just seen this cop unload I'm guessing 10 rounds into this guy. Rightfully so, I get it. But if, as a civilian, I shoot more than once in the same type of situation, I'm looking at possible possible prosecution. Right, shut up, cat. Not in Texas, brother, come down to Texas. You're definitely not looking at prosecution for shooting more than once. I can't speak for other states. I can only tell you about Texas.
Speaker 1:It's what's reasonable. Did you fire 10 rounds in two seconds? That's totally possible, by the way. No, it's when the threat stops. He's got a knife and he's moving forward. You got nowhere to escape. It's very easy to articulate that that's reasonable. So people get focused, hyper-focused, on the amount of rounds, and but they don't shoot guns. They don't understand that you can fire five rounds in a second. Some people can fire more than that in a second. That's not even enough time for your brain to process if that first shot did anything. And you owe the person that's charging with a knife nothing. You owe him nothing to shoot one time to see if it did anything.
Speaker 2:It goes back to that same thing. We were all taught when we went through driver's ed of the reaction to hit the brake. You know it's the same thing. When you're taught when we went through driver's ed of the reaction to hit the brake, you know it's the same thing. When you're firing a gun, there's still that reaction time of I've got to stop and it still keeps happening until it stops, and so there is a delay yes, um, sorry.
Speaker 1:I was texting um mr billfold on instagram trying to tell him I'm like where the hell you at so somebody said he got mad earlier.
Speaker 2:So he said he was leaving I think he gets upset.
Speaker 1:So he's, he's, he's awesome, he's awesome. He just has a lot of emotion and he's invested into what we're talking about. So rightfully so yeah, yeah, and he gives himself time to cool down because he comes back. He's come back before. So, it's fine. Let me see here Drinking is the only thing that makes average people tolerable.
Speaker 1:Oh man, listen, this is my weekend. I do this because you guys are fun and I have a good time while we do this, so let's keep going here. Oh, you run right into this guy, so that's another factor to consider. You go to backup, you're trying to get out of the way and you meet a wall. Well before you expected to meet a wall, kat, what do you got?
Speaker 3:I mean, if somebody's right behind you and then you feel that resistance and you don't have the option to back up, what you can do becomes limited. So if I had the idea to run and retreat, I don't have that anymore.
Speaker 1:So, it ends like this Yep, nightcrawler, come on, nightcrawler retreat. I don't have that anymore. So yeah, it ends like this yep, um, night crawler, come on, night crawler. Um, that cop broke into his apartment. Any reasonable person would come to the door armed when they hear a voice inside their home. Don't pretend you wouldn't do the same thing if they was in your house. Listen, that guy was waiting. He left his door. Oh, nobody leaves their. You go down this hallway. You show me how many open doors you find. You're going to find none. He left his door open intentionally. All that cop did was just push it open. He didn't break any sort of threshold. So that whole argument, that's dishonest. The guy was waiting. You know he was waiting. It's different if you're sitting on the couch and you hear somebody like hey, police, it's not that he's in your apartment. The first thing you're gonna be like did I fucking leave the door open?
Speaker 2:the cop just just didn't get off that elevator and go to a random door yeah, there was a call there, man like come on now.
Speaker 3:I don't know, have any of you guys ever like answered your door with a knife?
Speaker 1:never, no, no, not unless I mean it just depends on the situation. But in this particular situation, no, I don't. I don't think that that was a normal thing, and then usually usually just thunder and lightning yeah, and then let's go into reasonableness okay, that goes back to my comment earlier.
Speaker 2:Manning, just because you have a double-headed axe doesn't mean that the rest of us do right so and let's go into reasonableness.
Speaker 1:Like you see three uniformed officers and you're just going to continue to go outside your apartment and charge them with a knife, Come on, Nightcrawler, I expect better man. Put up a good argument bro.
Speaker 2:He did break. Okay. I see he said he broke the plane, okay, but it was well after the doors opened and he didn't cross that line.
Speaker 1:No, no, you're going to go knock on the door, bah, bah, bah, bah bah, or just push it. You still have the right to touch the door. You're not crossing the threshold, no right to touch the door.
Speaker 2:You're not crossing the threshold, no, and then that goes back to articulation of you know this is what happened. You know it'd be different if they barged like, went all the way into the residence right, then found him yeah, there was nobody walking into the house out at him like yeah and and uh, who was andy fletcher?
Speaker 1:no, not andy. Harrison brock said I've answered the door with my sbr. I have too. I, I absolutely have answered my door armed um.
Speaker 1:But the question is you assess, you check out the situation? It has to be reasonable, guys. No matter what happens, it has to be reasonable. That to be reasonable, that's how it comes down in the court of law. It's got to be reasonable.
Speaker 1:You're not going to win the argument of reasonableness when you've got three officers that haven't come into your apartment, that are standing at the door because they were called, and you charge at them with a knife outside of the house. So why do so many cops stick their foot in the door and refuse to get out? That is so rude. Not only is that so rude, that is illegal, that is breaking the threshold and that is violating your civil rights. That is a specific scenario that we train in my academy with our recruits. We have a loud music party I mean insane loud music party inside of a little hidden village or city village that we have inside of our police academy, and the whole point is to frustrate the officer. Just sit there. Not let them ask any questions, not let them say anything. We just keep talking over them, we turn the music up and we keep trying to shut the door in their face, and we try to trick those recruits into not letting us shut our door. That's a scenario we do and that's what all police academies should do.
Speaker 1:Kat, did you guys get that one? No, you didn't get that one. No, oh shit. See, guys, it's a good one, it is a good one and it's a common thing. Cops are not allowed to break that threshold. They got to have a warrant, right, so in my opinion, that should be. Can I legally let my dog bite them and get away with it If they come into your house without a warrant? Sure, but not standing at the doorway. You can't let your dog go while they're standing at the doorway.
Speaker 6:So, eric, I've stuck my foot in two doors, but here's the articulation. My first one was in 2003. Knocked on the door, gentleman came to the door, opened the door. Didn't know it was law enforcement, just didn't have a reason to think law enforcement was coming over. And he had a mobile meth lab there getting ready to pack up into a car and everything was in plain sight along with the smell of a recent cook Door. Was stopped, got a warrant, didn't enter the house, secured everybody. Second one stuck the foot in the door because they opened it and as soon as we opened it we saw a bloody female sticking halfway out in the living room and halfway in the kitchen. And we had articulable to to leave the door open. So officers that do do that, they're obviously they're seizing the scene to either provide aid or there's a felony in their in their view. I can't speak to this. I don't. I don't know all the details on this call that we just saw yeah, norcal brings up a good point, they would shoot your dog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Be careful. Listen, guys. Just because you can sometimes doesn't mean you should Like. If three officers enter your home illegally, let's just, hypothetically speaking, let's say these three went into the apartment. Not likely that you're going to win that fight. You're better off fighting in court. Don't risk your dog. I'm a dog lover. Don't risk your dog. Don't risk your dog over these assholes. Don't do that. So think about it. I'm just trying to risk play here. So let's keep. Let's keep going.
Speaker 9:Stop shooting, stop shooting, stop shooting.
Speaker 1:Look at the next body cam and then we'll go to the next video. Since we know what happens here, I want to see him run into his buddy. So see they don't go inside, doesn't go inside, not with a straight threshold, say he stood right at the threshold. He did come close, though.
Speaker 2:Well, I remember when we saw his body camera he had already seen the dude, so like when he started Still doesn't give you the right to come inside. Well, but did he see the knife like? But we don't know what the call is we don't know what the call is.
Speaker 1:We don't know if it was somebody was screaming inside.
Speaker 2:There are, there are articulations, that elevator and went really quickly to where they were going.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so there are reasons, exigent circumstances that you could have made entry. We don't know enough, so let's be, if we're going to be honest with each other, let's be honest. We don't know enough, so let's not go down the hole you went through, what we don't know, okay so I will tell you I I have one building, maybe two buildings like that.
Speaker 2:So what do you do in this call on an everyday? You're going to a loud noise or a domestic. How do you handle that in that long hallway on an everyday call? What is the protocol? What?
Speaker 1:do you teach your people? Are you asking me yeah, yeah, oh yeah. When you're dealing with a domestic, you show up. Stop listen. Me personally, this is what I do. We stop listen. Try to hear anything we can on the outside to see if we have an exigency. If I don't hear yelling and screaming and it's quiet, I'm just going to stand there and listen for a while I'm not going to rush it and then we're going to stay, like Kat was saying earlier, stay out of the fatal funnel and stay off to the side, and then I'm going to knock and announce hey, I almost said my department Right.
Speaker 1:Right, hey, police, come to the door. There's that muscle memory taking over. Come to the door and then stop and listen and see what we got. But that's how we handle it. We listen, we don't go alone, we make sure we got somebody else with us and I am going to have my partner more than likely, stand on the same side as me. Okay, because I don't want us to get in a crossfire and I don't want us to split and run and then, have you know, I want us to be both on the same side.
Speaker 1:Do you hold the elevator, things like that? If I've got the distance and the time and the people? If it's two of us and we're in this, like, you're not going to hold that elevator unless you've got something to put in the people. If it's two of us and we're in this, you're not going to hold that elevator unless you've got something to put in the way. If I've got something to drop, I will. So I don't carry my baton, full disclosure. If I had my baton, I might drop that down there or have my partner drop their baton there, but I'm speaking as a sergeant. As a sergeant, I don't carry my baton, but I'm speaking as a sergeant. So as a sergeant I don't carry my baton. And then listen, guys, in 18 years of law enforcement I've never used a baton on a person. So anyway, but yeah, might put something in the elevator if I've got that option.
Speaker 2:I ask that question because 90% of my stuff is park at the next house over that kind of stuff we don't have. I can think of two buildings that are going to be in this scenario.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was trying to find. Somebody had a ridiculous comment, nightcrawler. There it is. If someone's pointing a knife at you, probably don't shoot them. Just because that was not the comment that I saw him say earlier. He had said something, nightcrawler. You're just being a contrarian, bro. Let's be a little honest about what we're doing here. This was a very clean shoot. This guy was setting these guys up. Let's go to the next video, biggie size. There we go.
Speaker 7:Police want to search for it. Police want a search warrant.
Speaker 1:Police want a search, okay, search warrant. This is, we're up here. Search warrants are serious. We don't know what we're doing. Kat, have you ever been a part of a search warrant?
Speaker 3:I have not no.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we've got some learning and some teaching that we could possibly do. Banning have you been a part of a search warrant?
Speaker 6:Many.
Speaker 1:Okay, so on a search warrant for all those listening the first thing that we do is you're doing an ops plan before you even go to this place. So you are, these days, you're going to Google Maps, that You're going to see the photo that's on Google Maps. You're going to have somebody go out and this is the best case scenario, guys, because there's still departments that don't do this You're going to go out there and you're going to verify that the address that the search warrant is for looks and is described the same in the search warrant itself. Go ahead.
Speaker 6:Vanny, absolutely. You have to describe the property, from the paint color to the style of the home, everything in there to where you're not going to the wrong. And we can go into the studies from the seventies and eighties when search warrants were served and it was on the wrong house and that's why a lot of these laws changed on these affidavits for a search warrant. So not only do you have to have the numbers correct on XYZ Street and whatever USA, you have to have the description of that house and that search warrant and what you're going in there to search for and why you're going in there to search for. And then either justice of the peace, county judge or district judge is going to read that over. Make sure we have the, the elements in there, uh, for probable cause for that search warrant period, um, and otherwise it's going to get kicked.
Speaker 6:Are there people that's written wrong ones? I'm sure there are. I haven't personally seen any wrong ones in there, um, I've been with a group of great men and women in law enforcement that wrote extremely well search warrants. But anyway, we're going to want to put a descriptor in there.
Speaker 1:I haven't personally been a part of any bad search warrants, but I have seen them online where I'm like how the fuck did you make that mistake? So it happens. So we can't ignore the fact that it happened. So nobody's got an excuse. I'm putting this out there right now. This is the way that you should be doing this. You make an ops plan here is the address and then, once you get the address, you send somebody out. I need you to go out. Take a picture of this place that we're going to do a search warrant on. Okay, now we need to link up and show hey, here's where the Google map shows it, here's where we went out and we verified the address. Here's where we have the you know whatever intelligence officer it is that says that this is the place that we need to be hitting cooperates, the connection, and then, before you hit it, you need to send somebody out there. Hey, go, take a look at this house. Is this the house that we have? Yes, that's the same house. Okay, good, so you've got so many layers of making sure you hit the right place.
Speaker 1:I am not a fan of no-knock warrants. Sure you hit the right place. I am not a fan of no-knock warrants. I'm not a fan of them at all. I do think there are very, very limited times where they're appropriate, but they are so rare, so rare for a no-knock and that needs to be for the most violent vicious of people. If you're doing a no-knock warrant for dope, get the fuck out of here. If you're doing a no-knock warrant for property, get the fuck out of here if you're doing a no knock warrant for property get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1:You're no. Yes, crimes against children, crimes, a murder suspects, sure, but anything else, no. I don't like no knock warrants. And and when somebody appropriately defends themselves from a no-knock warrant, like, hey, that's the risk you took. I'm not a big fan of those Bannon. What do you got on that?
Speaker 6:I mean, you know when I first got in in 2002.
Speaker 1:Damn you're old. I know right, cat wasn't even born yet, okay.
Speaker 6:I'll take it.
Speaker 7:There was a lot of Cat wasn't even born yet, okay, I'll take it.
Speaker 6:There was a lot of warrants out there that agencies did no knock for. And then we had a lot of chemical introductions meaning meth houses, people that were actually cooking on scene and then they invented the double flashbang, which is an outstanding piece of equipment when you need it. But that concussion flashbang also puts off a large spark in the air, and then when you have certain chemicals in the air, because these people don't care where they're cooking, they don't care what, it's going to create a frigging explosion. And so through wrong warrants going around through the country it's, you know, some of these no knock warrants going around through the country, some of these no-knock warrants there was no flashbang. So then there's no element of surprise.
Speaker 6:So all I'm saying is, when I got into law enforcement, there was a lot of no-knocks, and then it came to knock and announce. And then it was knock and announce with some type of timeline that a judge would put in there and you're going to lose some evidence. But so what If you're going to throw a flashbang in there? Uh, but again, with with the dope stuff, let it wait. You know what I mean. It's gonna be a force on force, but. But this thing's about crimes against children, crimes against people, and you got no choice to go in there and get them. I can understand a no knock on that, because you don't lose that person or allow that person to hurt somebody else. I'm on a big snowbox when it comes to that as well, for safety yep um norcal said no knock on wrong house.
Speaker 1:What happens if the if a gunfight with police causes you to think your house is being broken into? There is supreme court case law backing you up in that you. You are justified in defending yourself. There is case law. I think an officer was killed. He was. Yeah, an officer was killed. So this is why it's important. But I think that's where it comes back with no knocks is.
Speaker 2:I mean, we're only doing those like in the extreme. Like we know, these people have guns. Swat team is hitting this house Like it doesn't really matter if they shoot back at cops because that person is going to jail, like we know, like it's a very violent, uh like the reason, like they just robbed a bank. So we're hitting this house for safety of the community, you know. So if they started shooting, there was a reason for us to be there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, let's keep going with this video, y'all.
Speaker 7:Surge work. Up to the door Police with a search warrant. Up to the door Police police. I'm out Police Police department.
Speaker 1:Okay, so not trying to Monday morning quarterback, but if I open the door, I'm rushing through the door. I'm not standing in the fatal funnel. This is the difference between standard patrol guys and people that have had some sort of tactical training. Patrol officers are not necessarily the best at this and I am not a tactical guru. For anybody wondering, I'm not at all. I've claimed that for a long time. I'm not SWAT cool, not tactical any of that. However, through my military training and through policing over the last 18 years, I know not to slow go through a door. If I'm going through, I am going through, so let's see what happens From here. You got to make entry and start clearing your corners. The idea is security first, and then we start searching for whatever it is we're searching for. Is that how everybody else has been trained, Kat? I know you haven't done these, but is that how you were?
Speaker 3:trained. I'm actually a rifle operator as well, so I do know how to make room entries and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so can you kind of explain what a rifle operator is? Because where I'm at we don't have a rifle operator. You're either qualified in your rifle or you're not.
Speaker 3:So on a situation like this, if you're first on scene and you've got the rifle, you're going to be the first one in. Typically on rooms you want at least two people entry First person going in, because that's a corner fed door. This person's going, you know, straight to the left down up until he meets the uh, meets the next doorway, essentially because then he's going to start pying at the next doorway and the other person's going to run straight in.
Speaker 1:But can you kind of explain what a corner fed door I'm so? Like happy that you said a corner fed room.
Speaker 3:So so if you're looking at the door, as soon as you walk into the door, uh, right corner fed room is when you hit the wall, you swing the door open, the door hits the wall immediately right there, um, to the left is is going to be the the rest of the room, the corner. The door is in the corner of the room, essentially a center fed room. The door is going to be in the center of the room. You've got two, two uh sides to clear. So you know, I personally like a corner fed door when you're making entries like this, because it's just a little bit easier to go in.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. Yeah, it's safer. Corner fed is more safe than a center fed. Yeah, I agree. So it's awesome to have somebody that's trained in this way and be able to explain it, and it doesn't have to come out of my fucking mouth, because I get tired of hearing my own voice.
Speaker 1:Might not be the best explanation, but I'll try no, it's, it's wonderful, and the whole point is education. That's what our entire platform is based on. Y'all is education. I want you to understand what we're doing, but I also want you to understand the why. So understanding why we look at rooms a certain way and how we do it tactically, and all that stuff. We're not giving away trade secrets by any means. This is stuff that's out there. You can get this in an airsoft training camp, I promise you so. Um, but no, this is great and it just adds to the qualifications behind all. That is cat, so come to the door.
Speaker 7:Okay, hey, come out, come out, I'm out.
Speaker 1:They redacted everything in this Come on baby.
Speaker 7:Who else is here? Get her Come on.
Speaker 9:Come out. I saw you tuck in the room. Get out of here, come out, come out, come out.
Speaker 1:Okay, banning you. Hear your partner say I saw you tuck into the room, come out. Is it a reasonable and normal action when police are coming in yelling search warrant search warrant for a person to tuck back into a room.
Speaker 6:A reasonable, prudent person is not going to tuck back in that room when they have they have armed peace officers in there. So now we got to look at a tactical approach. How do we do this to where we hopefully nobody does shots fired and nobody gets hurt? So now we're going to come back and hopefully command verbal levels to get that person to come out, as hopefully that the senior person on the that's with us is going to be calling in more manpower for exterior, et cetera. This may turn into a SWAT situation where we have a barricaded person and if it goes to that amount where nobody else gets hurt, then it goes to that amount. Make time on your side. Don't rush on this and back people out. If you've got everybody out, you can back them out of there and go to command command yelling I hate to use that, but trying to communicate and and getting tech involved if you have access to that, depending on what kind of city or county that you're in well, yeah, as a as a double-edged sword, though, I'll throw this at you.
Speaker 2:What was the first thing I saw when that front door opened? And I see one sitting behind the door in this picture right here. We don't know how many kids are in this room.
Speaker 6:Absolutely. Now, hopefully there's officers communicating with those people out there. If there's somebody in that room and we have to go into that room to protect another person, then that's that we have to do that. But I'm saying if we know that that one person that possibly has a weapon is by himself back there, that obviously we've got to go to a different, different tactical situation altogether.
Speaker 6:Now whole tactical situation. All that means is is is less bodily harm to anybody, and that's what I want the the audience to understand is, when we say tactical and it's the most overused word in law enforcement and it makes me sick on buy your new tactical mirror here and your tactical flash like this. And all I mean by saying that is we got to come up with a proper plan, and that plan should be established before the warrant is served period yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:Um, sigma brings up a good point. They hear yelling, not what's being yelled. That that I can't argue that because us as cops and this goes against into the fishbowl thing so, officers, if you're listening to this, think about it. You've been trained to come in and yell this stuff and all of the responses you get from the people that are the fake bad guys. They hear and know what you're going to say. Now you're out in the public. These people don't train like you. They don't train like you. They don't train these scenarios. It's not every day or ever that they hear somebody police search warrant, police search warrant. Boom, they're in the door. Hey, come on, show your hands, show your hands, show your hands. Sigma's fucking right. They don't know what you're saying. That's why it's so important to keep saying police out, police, police, police. That is why you have to keep repeating it, saying it police, police. You gotta keep saying it.
Speaker 1:I don't know that these guys did. I was. I wasn't paying it again because I've been trained. I wasn't paying attention to that part because I'm used to it. So I'm sorry. I said sigma, nor cal, good, fucking point. No, no, no, oh, this is a new comment, Sorry.
Speaker 1:This is a new one. Yeah, uh, yelling at an intense level causes stress, anxiety, confusion. Is that used to intimidate or is that just the adrenaline? Adrenaline, adrenaline, a hundred percent. Um, that is not. We're not. That's the last thing we want. We don't want anybody amped up.
Speaker 1:Um, for me, on a couple of the search warrants that you know that I've done myself, I say a couple, a few dozen Fully. The first few times I was a little juiced up because I had all this training and it was for property guys. It wasn't even for anything. I wasn't going after anybody serious. I wasn't going after homicide suspects. I've never been that guy. So I had a search warrant for hey, police search warrant, you know, the first few times. And then when you start to realize well, like these guys aren't really, they're not super concerned about property crime stuff, um, you do start to slow yourself down. But you need the experience, you need the reps. And I did start slowing down, started knocking on their. Hey, damn, I almost did it again. I almost said my department and I've been doing this a long time. This is fucking beer or drink whatever, this is whiskey shit.
Speaker 2:Uh, shut up cat, uh anything she's drinking her michael buble over there, so uh anyway, um this is a good point and you know, in our agency a lot of times we didn't have the manpower agency, a lot of times we didn't have the manpower. So Sigma bring out great points when we we we don't like, we don't want to cause this effect in somebody's home, but sometimes it has to be done. But a lot of times, like if you were the bad guy, we tried to do a traffic stop away from the house, things like that, because we're right, the man, manpower to lock down a whole city block, we could only really lock down the front and rear of a house and two people to go in and search the house. So if we could get the bad guy somewhere else and then deal with the house, we could do it on our time.
Speaker 1:So you bring up a good point. I'm not going to say most departments, I'm not going to say some departments. I'm just going to say there's departments that do exactly what Alan said. We try everything we can to not have to do it in your house, and then that's the last resort. And then there's got to be other departments out there that are just like whatever fucking works, we're just going to go with that. So that may be something that us, as law enforcement if you're law enforcement, you're watching this this is something we need to start considering. It is going into the home. The last resort Is it? Is it a timing thing? Is there you know? Are we limited to time? So we just had to go to the house. Those are things to consider and I think that's a good point to bring up in court. If something does go sideways, you're liable as a department. Why did you go to the house? Was there other options? These are things to consider.
Speaker 1:So, sigma, I'm liking Sigma more and more. Sigma, lord, if you are not following us on Two Cops, one Donut on our YouTube channel or all of our other stuff, please do, man. I think you have really good input. I would love for you to follow us. I'm imagining that you're either following us through Matt Thornton, who is also a part of Two Cops One Donut. If you guys are us through Matt Thornton, who is also a part of Two Cops One Donut, please. If you guys are not following Matt Thornton, by the way, please go follow him, detective Matt Thornton, on YouTube, instagram and TikTok. I think those are his three major ones. Somebody?
Speaker 2:earlier, wanted to know how you were. You know how they were following us today, because he's not on here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sorry guys, matt is a part of Two Cops One Donut. All of us have networked our stuff together. We all have the same goal, the same mindset, the same thing where we're not trying to create a police echo chamber, we are trying to call out bad cops, we're trying to call out good cops and showcase both and in the end, we are trying to educate on how to get better. We need you guys in the comments to help us bridge that gap. So that's why we are all together. We are creating this gigantic network. So every cop that you see on our cat, alan Banning, me, matt, daniel, we've got possibly another guy, kenny, joining us, and then we have Josh Deadleg that helps us out occasionally. So all of these guys are either law enforcement or former law enforcement that are just tired of bad cops doing bad cop shit and really excited about sharing good cops doing good cop stuff. So that's why we're here and we're trying to get people from across that spectrum.
Speaker 1:Cat has seven years on. We had Trey earlier. Trey's got. He's our rookie. He's got three years on. We want you to get that perspective. He's out in California. Cat's out in New York. You got Banning, who's a country cop been out there doing deputy work, alan, also doing country cop stuff from a municipality standpoint. Me, city cop. I've been up in Michigan, I've been military. You got Banning, who's also been military. I'm a military police officer still so you got just a huge perspective going across the board and and that's what we're trying to share with y'all. So that is why you have Matt. Matt actually shared his YouTube channel but he couldn't make it tonight because him and Tennille have some shit to handle uh, marriage, relationship stuff, family stuff and he's like here, use the channel, but he can't make it tonight. So that's what it is, guys. Um, I know you didn't necessarily sign up to follow and see us, but that is where we're going and we hope that we can kind of uh, win you over. Uh, what are you smiling about over there?
Speaker 6:chuckles banning I'm just when you said marriage, all it is is babysitting. I don't want them to think there was something negative in the video. So, in reference to Matt, it was just a baby. I mean, he's just being the man, like we all do. We have kids and sometimes you've got to step out and go do the daddy duties, which is not technically babysitting, because that's your children. It's nothing bad, that's all.
Speaker 4:I'm laughing about is how people can twist stuff in their head.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1:it's just a family time, man, family time, we all got to do that Yep, uh, sigma Lord said I'm dumping on my body worn camera footage to show injustice from Gibstown, new Jersey, pd. And oh my God, I don't want to. Oh, okay, gloucester. Say it again Gloucester County, swat. Gloucester County, swat. Okay, it didn't even have to end bad if they were professional, okay. And then Jim Minor. I don't think we've highlighted Jim Minor. Every door is different. What's on the other side of the door is always different. Police don't know 100% or what it might be. The caller may have some knowledge of the person and their mental state, but until you are through the door, metamorph. Yeah, I get what he's.
Speaker 6:Oh, and if I remember, if I know, I mean Jim's a retired police chief, if I remember right.
Speaker 1:Okay, I didn't read his full comment. It doesn't show all the way up here on the screen but I can see it over here on the side. He said that door metamorphic. You don't know what your move will be. I've been in situations with mental issues Person. Luckily, the police arrived and were able to take this person into custody. Absolutely, I think that's a good point. You really you never know. You never know what you're going to come into crossing that door. Tim Owens gifted five memberships level law questions. Hell yeah, brother, appreciate it. I'm going to continue with the video here.
Speaker 7:Okay, you're okay.
Speaker 9:Show me your head, show me your foot. There's a problem? Shut up.
Speaker 1:Okay, that is an obvious red flag to me. When you've got me as a fully uniformed police officer with my gun out and I'm telling you to come out, show me your hands and you say what's the problem? What is the problem? And I can't see your other hand. So for me, I'm not pressing, I'm not pressing after this, I'm backing. I may be different than most cops, I don't know. I'm not pressing this dude, I'm backing up. He's not acting right and I'm not going to push through and force a gunfight because I don't know what he's got over there. I'm going to back up, slow everything down. What do you got, cat? What are you doing here? I'm going to back up, slow everything down. What do you got, kat?
Speaker 3:What are you doing here? So, with not you know having a full conversation with the cop at the door, like you know, the what are you doing type thing, it feels like he's buying time, and if he's buying time, then he's going to do something silly. So I'm going to back up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so you would back up from that. You wouldn't press forward and and I don't listen, I don't blame any cop that would if, like you were, like no, I'm gonna push forward. Like I understand that mentality too. Don't give them time to think. That is another way to think of this. You don't give them time to make uh, to to build up the confidence to do something stupid. That is what some cops will do banning what do you got?
Speaker 6:same thing. I mean it's going back, to use that word, tactical right. So if we can, if we can keep that person in that room and we can we can hopefully say that there's nobody else in there with that person that he can hurt. And then let's, let's, let's look at this on on how else we can get him out peacefully and and, and you know, I wish we knew what the what the warrant was for, why we're here to begin with, because that's going to change my opinion. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6:We go to crimes or crimes of property, but when it comes to crimes of people, that's the only time where really just me and most departments I would hope out there are really going to push the issue Again. Like Alan had stated earlier, we get them out on the street and stop. We used to do that all the time. And if we can get that one person that we have paper on, meaning a warrant, if we can get them stopped and secured and this bad person for whatever it is, we've got them stopped and now we have paper or a warrant for that residence. And then we communicate with the wife on scene and get it done and bring before the court whatever they're demanding through the warrant without anybody getting hurt, and let the courts figure it out after that. But that's what we're doing is we're just here to bring the people to justice and then it's up in the courts after that Yep, yeah, man, I'm really liking the comments and stuff that we're seeing going on right now.
Speaker 1:Plain Jane, sigma, bro, sigma, highly impressed with you tonight. I hope you reach out to us on the side. Would love to consider maybe having you on to tell your story. Sounds like you've got a lot going on. Like I said, we are not an echo chamber. We want every side of the house. So if you guys have something that you want to bring on and we can do this on a live and just discuss things. Just know that we have limitations. I'm still an active cop, kat's an active cop. Certain things that some of us can't say we can't do. So if you're ever considering joining us and doing what we do, um, we're one of the, if not the only, platform I know of cops that are willing to have people that don't necessarily share the same ideas and opinions that we do and invite you on to the show and why, and why and not to interrupt you, but why eric why I'm so impressed with eric and why he created this is we're trying to truly bridge that gap.
Speaker 6:We, we care about everybody that's on here, whether you have indifference feelings of us, I mean that's what we're here for. We're not sitting here saying that you're going to come and watch one episode and by golly, all cops are gravy and they're, they're great. We know that's not going to happen. We know that there's a lot of things that are going on out there that shouldn't have to go on. But we're getting.
Speaker 6:This platform is not for us. This platform is for y'all and we want y'all to be comfortable here and talking. And if you come and sit here and say bad things about cops, just like Eric said, he's not going to kick you, he's not going to your stories. We want to find facts behind it. I mean, we're not attorneys, we're not the judge and jury. We're bringing you a lot of experience in law enforcement. It doesn't mean we're the best out there in the business, but we're willing to put our names on the line out here to listen to you guys and maybe offer you a little bit from experience on what we've dealt with in our careers. That may shed some light on some things that may have happened to y'all or a family member or a close friend. That's all this is for. We're all human. We all put our pants on the same way every day. We are no better than everybody, just like y'all are no better than everybody. We're all human beings and that's the whole reason that this Two Cops, one Donut was formed.
Speaker 1:Eric, you got anything to add on that, but that's what we're here for Yep, absolutely, and you know I appreciate that Banning and for those that are new to what we're doing because, like I said, matt added his channel on here. I know we're getting a lot of feedback from Matt's channel, like guys and girls. I don't mean that exclusively, but everybody like that is what we are honestly trying to do and it does sound like Sigma Lord, which I love the name, by the way has a story to tell. Would love to get you on here. We've had felons. We've had people that were convicted of homicide. We've had people that were wrongly convicted of crimes that we've done interviews with. So that is what we are here to do.
Speaker 1:I don't want you guys to think that this is an echo chamber by any means, because it is not. We need to have the hard conversations. You guys have been pushing our buttons all night trying to. I don't mean pushing my buttons, ego, wise or anything like that. I mean you guys have been giving us tough questions and we're not hiding them, we're not trying to keep them from people seeing them. We will attack them and go after them. Uh, as best we can. Um, what I'm sorry I just saw that sigma said I'm subscribed, listening to is what system never did. It gets cycled around and you never get a voice. And and that is the point of what we're doing is how often do you get to sit down? My mic disconnected, I heard it. How often do you get to sit down and have a cop honestly talk back with you? It doesn't happen. That's one of the problems with law enforcement is we don't talk to each other. We're here talking to you.
Speaker 1:Cat signed up to talk to you guys. Banning signed up to talk to you guys. Allen signed up to be the guy behind the scenes, but here he is up front talking to you guys. Banning signed up to talk to you guys. Alan signed up to be the guy behind the scenes, but here he is up front talking to you guys. So, despite Alan's ugly face, he is up front guys talking to you, and that is what we love about Alan. So Me too, kat, you are the newest addition to what we're doing. So for you, when you see this, this stuff, like you see these people, I, I told you I I gave her fair warning that our audience is ruthless and is going to hit us with the hardest questions and and do what they do. What is your impression now being the second time on and seeing the level of heat that they're bringing.
Speaker 3:Listen, I like it, even though they are bringing heat. You can see that some of the people in the comments they genuinely want that conversation and want to have some sort of understanding. So when I see those comments that you know don't necessarily make sense to me or they seem like they're just trolling. I think that is the first layer of trying to understand. I think that's I don't know just, I don't know how to describe it, but like you're here, so you're trying to get something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I agree, I'm sorry there's a bunch of people popping in on the comments so I was looking at plain Janes. Yes, tim, it's needed. I got lost on my way home from kindergarten. A cop took me home. I got stranded on the freeway in my first beater car and a cop took me home. I used to look up. Now I'm skeptical.
Speaker 1:Now I will say to you guys please judge each cop on a case-by-case basis. It's not fair to anybody, in any class of any profession or whoever, whatever walk of life, to judge every Subway sandwich employee because you got a dude that fell asleep and had a heroin-induced sandwich-making experience. I saw that video where the lady falling asleep making the sandwich because she was high on heroin. So you can't judge every Subway based on that. You can't judge every cop because one or two bad cops gave you a bad experience. You can't judge every experience because you had great experiences with cops. That doesn't mean there's not bad cops out there. So judge them all on a case-by-case basis. That's the only fair thing I can say.
Speaker 1:Let's keep going with the video. Ah, ah, fuck. Oh, okay, let's go back. I think the cop was hot. Did you hear what he just said? Put this on here. So he's doing a search warrant on this home and he told this lady to put something on, so she must be either naked or exposed in some way. So he was taking the time to have her put something on. That is, that's a good move. That tells me that this cop's mind wasn't to just come in there and do bad things.
Speaker 9:Come out, come out, come out.
Speaker 7:Come out. Okay, you're okay okay.
Speaker 1:So he gave her the clothes, told her she's okay. Now he's dealing with this person. This is the one that said something. He started asking questions. What's? The problem boom, and then we heard the problem, boom, and then we heard the shot. Did you hear that, alan? Yeah, was it just me? Everybody heard the shot?
Speaker 7:No, I heard it.
Speaker 1:Okay, ah, ah, fuck, oh, he got shot.
Speaker 9:Shot fired. Shot fired, put it in the air, put it in the air.
Speaker 1:Okay, if I'm this officer here, I'm cutting this corner. Like I'm not going to just stay hidden, I'm going to keep my gun yeah it's too small a room, I'm going to keep my gun up and I'm going to pie this corner and just keep that angle the best I can and wait for a threat to come through that opening.
Speaker 7:I think he's hurt.
Speaker 9:Yeah, I'm saying, I'm hit.
Speaker 1:This must be after the fact, because if they had all, this there's no fucking way those other officers should have been pushing through.
Speaker 7:Got a jump up here. He stood up. Yeah, he stood up to the left. So Marty is it this door.
Speaker 1:No to the left, right, here it's a quick. Button. They're talking to him in the bathroom. That's what I think. Yep, that's what it sounded like, it's right around here.
Speaker 9:It. That's what I think. Yep, that's what it sounded like. It's right around here, it's right around this wall.
Speaker 7:Okay, it's right around this wall. Move over to the right. We got blood on the floor. To the right, we're in a safe zone. We're going to charge out from the right side of the room, marty are you in the bathroom? I'm in the front.
Speaker 9:I'm at the front door, right here You're.
Speaker 1:All right, you got the shield, I'm not. I'm not okay, benny, you go, because I'm going to put my foot in my mouth on this one, you know when you when you have the shield, when you have proper training.
Speaker 6:And I don't know what this department is and I don't really care what department it is. I'm going to get on my soapbox here for a second. You've got to keep that shield. Go ahead. You, my soapbox here for a second. You've got to keep that shield up. You have got to go towards danger.
Speaker 6:I always go back to the oath. Maybe I took the oath a little bit seriously than some people. You've got to go towards that danger. You've got an officer in that friggin' bathroom. They can't come out. He's been hit. Obviously we don't know undetermined still of what's in that room with that person. You keep that shield up and you go towards danger while yelling commands and get him to come out. But we've already had too much carnage. You've got to stop it right now. So you've got to get in there and you have to stop that threat. That's what we do. The fear has got to come out of you and I don't care what classes you've got to go through if you took that oath to come and you put that fricking badge on your chest. This is part of it. This is what you fricking signed up for. Hold that fricking shield up, go in there and eliminate that threat you have to yeah.
Speaker 3:I was going to. I was going to play devil's advocate, cause I'm like, why, like retreat, like that? And the only thing I could think of is like, were you shot in your knee or what was the deal, I don't know? But then I replayed in my head and like he said, I'm out, I'm out, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:And that I think that comes back to training, Cause when we, when we did the shield class, the shield stays up and it's handed off off, you know, yeah, so you're the protection for everybody behind you. Yeah, it looked like a complete just tap out. So one of the the other things that I witnessed like I heard in this just before the original shots there was my baby was said in that. So do you have time for your team to rebuild?
Speaker 6:and and I mean like there's some unknowns that we don't know about where there's a child in this house and yeah, but, but, but here we, but here we are in the house and the way this house is built If you look at that bathroom that bathroom is is frigging drywall. These rounds are going to go right through drywall. I mean, let's, let's think about it cover versus concealment. There's, there's, no, there's no true cover in this house. You got two by fours and stuff like that in that wall, but you got drywall. It's time to get that freaking shield up. You've got what? Two or three guys in there with long guns get in there.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about before that like it seems like we paused and waited for the shield to get there, just from what I'm seeing in the two different body cameras. And you know I get going to rescue him. But if there's kids in there it's time for us to go to work and yep yep and uh.
Speaker 1:I think tim owens is right. That should just stop everything up to probably about 762, um, depending on the manufacturer what type of shield it is.
Speaker 6:If it's, yeah, unfortunately a lot of these homeland security grants are getting the bare bones shields. Once it's been hit a couple times by 7.62 or higher, the whole shield's going to be defective from 9mm and below because it's going to break up the cavity of the shield.
Speaker 1:Yep, I will lean on Banning's expertise on that, guys. He has got a lot of training when it comes to that stuff. I'm sorry, I stopped sharing the screen there. Share screen so banning.
Speaker 2:In that situation, you're the cop that gets shot in that in that moment, and you're in the bathroom. What, besides protecting the door, say you can't go on. What do you? What are you supposed to be doing for?
Speaker 6:yourself. You're, you're doing self-aid and if somebody get to you with a shield to do some buddy aid, maybe we can at least get that going and drag that guy out with a shield, hopefully with this being a warrant. We've got medics that are a couple blocks down. We're advising them to clear and come up closer so we can dump our buddy, get him in there, get him off so we can get medical care and get our fresh guys up to eliminate that threat. And unfortunately, you have to think about this right now because now that that officer that's hurting there and I'm looking at him as a brother, but right now he's a distraction of the fact we still have an armed person here, possibly with children. So therefore we have got to get him out of the fight where we can focus on that threat.
Speaker 6:And I hate to say that and there's a lot of cops who disagree with that no, we just got to protect her. Guess what he got hit. We got to give him the best care that we can. Get that shield in there, get him out. But then we've got to go in there and take out that threat and do it as methodically as we can. But right now it's it's it's lots are on the line. You have neighbors here. It looks like an apartment complex or possibly a duplex, so you have neighbors these rounds. I don't care if it's a nine millimeter, 380, 22, it's going to go right through drywall. So we've got to these rounds by by taking that through I agree, let's see how they handle it.
Speaker 1:oh, so this is the beginning. This is before they made it, so these guys are outside in case somebody jumps out a window. Come on, come on.
Speaker 9:Come on, come on, go ahead, brother, I got you. Come on, come on, I saw you talking to the room. Get out of here, come out, get out of here, get out of here.
Speaker 1:So I heard it that time.
Speaker 9:My baby, my baby. Shots fired, shots fired, Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Shot fired Come here, come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Come here, come here.
Speaker 1:Come here.
Speaker 9:Come here, stay in the ambulance.
Speaker 7:Stay in the ambulance. Bravo, keep talking. Police, we're the search warrant. Police, we're the search warrant. Come to the door. Come to the door. Police, we're the search warrant. Come to the door. Police. Police, I'm out. Police, police department. Come to the door. Hey, I'm out, I'm out.
Speaker 9:I'm out, I'm out, I Police, police department, come to the door. Hey, come out, come out, come out, come out.
Speaker 7:Here, I got you something. Here you go. Here you go, Put the sign here. My baby. Alright, come on out, come out, hands up. I saw you tucking the rope Get out here, come out, get out here, come out, get out here my baby.
Speaker 9:Come out, show me your hand, show me your hand.
Speaker 1:So he's got to watch these stairs now. So I understand where his mind was at on this. He's got to watch these stairs. He's got to trust that the officer that was down there with him is covering wherever that shot just came from. So that took a lot of trust of what he just did. He knew where that shot came from, but he still stayed on the stairs. So kudos to this officer for doing what he just did. That's the way I see that. Anybody see anything different?
Speaker 2:No, I think he was pressing forward because of the whole. You know there's more to clear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, he was trying to obviously cover his ass, so he didn't get shot in the ass. But he had to watch the steps. That was another threat. Okay, this is my man. Stay here, aaron. So confused on this angle, though, Rob, was that you I?
Speaker 2:think he came back. Was that Blue Shoe in?
Speaker 7:No to the left, it's the front room. It's right around here. It's right around this wall. Yeah, it's right around this wall.
Speaker 1:Room opens to the right. We got blood on the floor. To the right.
Speaker 5:Target shot from the right side of the room, Marty are you in the bathroom. I'm in the front, at the front door right here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got a gun on him.
Speaker 7:That's the room right there. Yep, Marty, get out of here when you can.
Speaker 9:Oh, oh, oh Get the fuck out of there.
Speaker 1:I don't like that move.
Speaker 2:I don't understand that. That's your whole role, being right there.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, put rounds down range, bro, holy shit, okay, I'm not going to morning quarterback. No, no, it's a shit. Sandwich all around, okay, look.
Speaker 6:I'm not going to money a morning quarterback. Nope, nope, no, it's, it's, it's, it's a shit sandwich all around yeah.
Speaker 6:Without even knowing the PD. They probably executed horrible word but serve several wants on this Right and didn't have issues and nobody got hurt. And, unfortunately, people are human. I'm a human. I've screwed up in law board. I'll be the first one to tell you I've screwed up. I'm human. I've screwed up in law board. I'll be the first one to tell you I've screwed up. I'm not perfect, but we learn from our mistakes.
Speaker 6:This may have been the first I hate to say it real warrant that they've served to where they've gotten forced back on something and we don't know why. That is Like I said, we don't know the affidavit on this. We don't know the whole reason why they went in. They had, it looks like, a lot of manpower there that were all on on on firearms just you know, pistols to begin with, and then the long guns and the shields got drawn into it.
Speaker 6:My whole thing is, if we have that equipment and I have a reason to go in somebody's house we're going to bring that equipment with us, whether it's a yeah, it's a quick, a quick react team or whatever you want to call it. That's serving this warrant. If we had that equipment available, we're going to use that in the beginning. So stuff, it may narrow it down, it may not stop anything, but at least we brought the equipment in that we can um, you know I'm not going to say your quarterback, just like y'all said we don't. We don't know all the details on this and what the original?
Speaker 6:charges were why the warrant even got drawn up.
Speaker 2:So TJ says everybody was scared and I'll tell you, I've been in, I've gone in several of these and if I think scared is like I want to go home at the end of the night, but it's more of a respect. And in this video you know, there were several people that I don't think they knew what their role was when they went. When they went into the room, um, initially like one guy knew he was knocking on the door and then all of a sudden there was this huge stack in line and then they were tripping on each other to come back out of the house. And you know, that's one of those things that we would talk about in a warrant is what my role is. There's some unspoken language, but we all know what our next steps are when we go in and file in line.
Speaker 1:All right, we're going to get to the next video here. It is only three minutes. It's not that long. It usually takes us about 40 fucking minutes to get through a video.
Speaker 3:Okay, go ahead it's been real it's wednesday and bedtime okay no worries, thank you for having me. It was awesome we're not.
Speaker 1:We're not having you cat you're a part of this now I'm sorry, I'm new to this.
Speaker 3:You, you gotta you know. Yeah, I'll give it the program eventually they got it.
Speaker 1:No, no, you're. I can tell you are loosening up. You are figuring out that everybody gets to speak whenever they fucking want to, and if you got something to say, just handle your business, girl um Will do. But let people know how they can find you.
Speaker 3:You guys can find me up in New York that's upinny at Instagram and TikTok as well.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, appreciate you being here tonight, kat.
Speaker 3:Thank you, have a good one, guys All right, take it easy.
Speaker 1:All right, guys, we have amazing numbers right now. We've got a lot of people on, so we are not. Oh my God, alan, you just get uglier the closer you get. So what about this? Banning's getting redder and redder. I mean, that water you're drinking is what's going on. It is, they call it Texas water, texas water. You're drinking that Texas water tonight and I and Alan are sporting some of the classiest of oh you, son of a bitch, I want that shirt. We're sporting some Retro Rifle tonight, guys.
Speaker 6:And Retro Rifle. Just took out another loan to make Banning one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right. So you guys don't know this yet, but officially we have been in contact with retro rifles owner and they are going to be what we would call a casual and relaxed sponsorship of the podcast. They're going to provide, uh, uniform shirts for the rest of us and we're not going to complain about that. So very cool. So shout out to retro rifle guys, please. If you want a hawaiian shirt that has some sort of hidden gun on it, just to kind of make it a little a hawaiian shirt, a little more manly, check out retro rifle. Uh, that's what we are being sponsored by, so we're going to be adding them to the website and the rest of us will be all decked out in retro rifle here. Uh, to start, but I am going to get to this next video. Let's see here and there. Oh, that's not the right one, where is it there? It is Okay, share, just trying to find it, and biggie size and go.
Speaker 2:Danny, you should be coming up to 10 mile now.
Speaker 5:Careful coming up to 10 mile. Now Careful coming up to 10 mile.
Speaker 1:All right, we're in a pursuit, so in regular tradition with this show. We're in a pursuit, so things to consider. Road conditions, time of day traffic how much traffic is there? We are in a what I so things to consider. Road conditions, time of day traffic, how much traffic is there? We are in what I would call a residential neighborhood right now. So for me, I am not a fan of pursuits guys. That's just me, not a fan of them, unless this guy's wanted for killing somebody or seriously injuring a child or whatever. If it's just a traffic violation, I'm not a fan of chasing people. That is 18 years of experience. I don't want any innocent person hurt over some bullshit, over some basic offense. Alan, what do you got?
Speaker 2:no, I completely agree. I think, uh, there's a time and a place for the for them. But you know, with all the technology we have today, it's so easy to catch them later.
Speaker 1:Yep, I agree, we're going to keep going here.
Speaker 7:One radio. I got them. We are on Forest View right now, Coming up the beach.
Speaker 1:Right now you're calling out direction of travel speed traffic. One radio, we crack out direction of travel speed traffic. So, as I'm going to correct out vehicle, there's some. This is where every officers a little different. How are you gonna handle it? For me, I'm gonna stay behind the car. That's me. I'm going to stay behind the car. That's me, I'm going to stay behind the car. This guy's angle here, I'm not mad at it, it's just not my style. Banning, what do you got? You're muted dumbass. He's just looking at him talking to nothing because he's retarded. He's laughing.
Speaker 1:I am a dumbass because I forgot he's laughing. There he goes 100 with eric.
Speaker 6:Eric, I mean I'm gonna stay behind the car if I can, um, just because it's going to provide a little bit better cover, just from from this situation, plus with these other houses I think I'm you know, I think stupid thoughts all the time on Crossfire, even when I'm not in law enforcement anymore. So you've just got to, you've got to do it as safe as you can, and sometimes you've got to make that split second decision yep, I'm sorry, mama G, she hold on a second.
Speaker 1:I didn't see what her question was. I must have missed it. So I don't want her to think that we Did. You find it Okay? Would LEOs be held accountable at all if innocents were killed or maimed? Absolutely, absolutely, 100%, yeah, 100%, yes, yes, ma'am. So I'm sorry, I apologize.
Speaker 1:Listen, guys, don't take it personal if we don't see, you got to understand. We're trying to run a video. It all comes down to me. So if blame you want to blame anybody, it's my fault. I'm trying to run the videos, talk, chat, do all that stuff at the same time. This is why we like to have alan behind the scenes, but he's in a position where he can't do that tonight. So, uh, it is my fault. 100, so I apologize. Uh, mama, mama G, you know better. By the way, you've been on here long enough. You know I ain't ignoring your shit. Come on, girl, so let's keep going. Booyah, booyoy, booyoh.
Speaker 1:I stand with blue. Listen, I appreciate that sentiment. I just don't want you to stand with blue arbitrarily. I don't want you to just do it as a generality. Generality Fucking smoke wagon got me, can't say words. I like the mindset. I like that you are for police. Just don't be for police, just to be for police, because there's some bad cops out there. You want to see some dumbass cops. Look at the ones that want to have a Punisher tattoo or a Punisher symbol on their stuff with a thin blue line going through it. I've automatically got a problem with you, so I'll just put that out there. Let's keep going. Where are you going, buddy?
Speaker 7:Running with a pistol on him.
Speaker 1:Running with a gun on him. Running with a gun on him. Oh, so he sees a gun. Okay, I like that. He kept moving. That's actually a pretty slick move. What do you got, manning?
Speaker 6:Same thing. I mean, if he sees something and he's got it, if he's still in that car, get it to move him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't jump out. I'm known for, if they're going to start running on foot and I can fit a frigging tall hair through it. I'm going to follow them in a frigging tall hair until they get tired.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 1:There's nothing wrong with that. Sigma Lord said. The issue is that it's convenient to place all accountability on a single person, though there may be more that are not held accountable as a result. I fucking fully agree, sir. It drives me insane that they want to blame a single officer when it goes back to training at a department and they didn't even investigate the training part. Like, this is how you train this guy. How can you blame him for following the way that the training went? And then, who approved this training? We got to look like he was like floating in space. How do you go to that training that was approved? Who approved that fucking training? Like, how did these are? These are the things that frustrate me as an officer.
Speaker 1:So let's keep going. Oh, look at your boys getting some nobody's coming in wailing things to notice. Guys like listen, I know we like to point out bad that cops do, but let's point out when they do really good. You had a guy that was running with a gun. Nobody I didn't hear anything anyway, didn't sound like anybody fired a shot. They were able to take him into custody without a shot fired and they had ample opportunity to lay elbows and knees and all sorts of crazy shit and they didn't. They did that very professional. Let's keep going. Maybe they don't finish professional, you never know. Hold on hold on a second. Nobody gets away for free.
Speaker 1:Tuscan prepper F. The blue line. Come on, bro, that's lazy. You don't even know what thin blue line means. You don't even know Because guess what it means different things to different officers, and I've explained it many times on the show before and I'm going to explain it to you again. Line isn't us versus them, good versus evil. That's not what it means to me. What it means to me, I have two daughters and I have a wife and we grew up together. I've never been divorced. I've been in the military, I'm still in the military and I'm a cop. I am a unicorn, I am the poster child for I should be divorced three or four times. Guess what? I've been with the same girl. We've been dating since seventh grade. Should be divorced three or four times. Guess what? I've been with the same girl. We've been dating since seventh grade. I've been with the same girl. We grew up together and we have two daughters.
Speaker 1:To me, what the thin blue line is is, if I die in the line of duty, guys like Banning people that I was in the department with my daughter is going to learn how to drive. She's going to have her first vehicle. She's going to be walked on her wedding day by people that I served with. That's what the thin blue line is to me, guys. It has nothing to do with us versus them or any of that stuff. That is what the thin blue line is to me. So it's different to each cop. It just depends on how you look at it. So F the thin blue line, that's very lazy and it's very obtuse. So relax, that's all I ask. Just relax a little bit. Talk to a cop, see what it means to them. Go ahead, benny, I see you want to say something. No.
Speaker 6:I'm right there with you, man, and I get a lot of guys and gals that come at me, even on LinkedIn, on a professional platform, of not understanding what the true blue line is. And there is a difference. You know, there's a true blue line and then there's one that's flown for the wrong reasons, so it's the ones that are the wrong reasons. We're right there with the general public that is affected by that wrong reason and we want to stomp that out too. But the blue line and the green line for the military, the red line for EMS and fire, and yellow line or gold line, however you want to call it for, dispatch has its own meetings up and down the board, and then you have the civilian line, just the red, white and blue American flag is what I call that as? And are we separation? No, separation, no.
Speaker 6:But we're all here for a good cause, but there it has been used in bad reasons and we do not support that. We will put that out here, right here, now. We do not support anything negative used with that thin blue line, red, gold, green, indifferent. We're here, people, period, for the right reasons, and I'll leave it yep, guys, 100 like you're gonna.
Speaker 1:You're gonna hear us say some dumb shit. That's gonna happen. You're gonna hear us say some cool stuff. You're gonna hear us like we're coming here just being regular old people. I, I don't know another way to put it we hope, hope to have fun with y'all and answer questions and and have some understanding together, because you guys keep us level. That's the way I see the show. We talked about this before the show started. I have 100% changed the way that I've been policing because of y'all, because of the way we've discussed videos. This idea, this platform, has made me a better cop. Thank you, and I have passed that on. I think it's made other cops better cops. So we're doing the right thing, y'all. This is a different way to look at it. I just I hope y'all can stick with us long enough to help us keep continuously becoming better. So, anyway, let's keep going with this video. I want to see how they.
Speaker 1:Kind of want to see the different. This is.
Speaker 7:We are on Forest View right now, coming up the beach. Forest View coming up the beach 98 Radio going to be, Northbound Beach Forest View. He's got a yacht.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Hit him. Oh, he got him. I would have done the same thing he's got like an AR dude.
Speaker 1:That's some good discipline. Those cops are fucking. That needs to be praised. Your boy is running with an ar. Holy shit like here. Here's what I want you guys to think about. It wasn't that he was running with a gun in the vehicle. He got out of the car. He had to make a conscious decision to grab the gun from the vehicle and then continue to run. How many nine out of ten times you're gonna get get shot for that? Black, white, green, purple, it don't matter. Nine out of ten times you're going to get shot for that. These officers are amazing. That needs to be praised. This is what we're talking about. You guys see all the bad cop videos you want to see, but how often are you celebrating when they do great? That was great. That was great. What do you? Got Banny.
Speaker 6:Same thing. I mean he's going to be able to answer for whatever charges started this. He may get a little bit of bruised and battered, just like law enforcement does every day, just like other people do every day, and he's going to be able to go before a judge I mean right now, where he's about to be transported, and he's going to be put in a holding cell, and probably tomorrow morning or later on this evening a judge is going to come around him and then the court process starts and these guys are already going to other calls yeah I mean, if you look at the big picture of that, I mean that's what it is yep, and I love all the like.
Speaker 1:This is what makes me happy, guys. You, you give a shit. You you put us to the fire. And when I say you give a shit, I don't mean that you're you're being mean to us. I mean you're you're putting, you're giving us tough questions and you're you're holding us accountable. That's what we like, that's what we want. Because I will outright, sometimes I will I'll privately message Banning or somebody else. I'm like I don't know how to fucking answer this question. This is a good question. I don't know how to handle it, and it's not because I'm trying to weasel out of it.
Speaker 6:No, we try to answer this from our heart in our training, heart being number one. Are we always going to have the right answer? No, but we always reflect to a call that may have been similar within our career and how it occurred, without scathing from anything and it may not make everybody happy, but we try to make the best decisions we can on scene. You know, if we come to a scene and there's 10 heartbeats, we want to leave and there's 10 heartbeats if that makes sense and I hope that that catches a grasp with a lot of our listeners and watchers out here tonight is we want to leave and there's 10 heart beats if that makes sense. I hope that catches a grasp with a lot of our listeners and watchers out here tonight. We want to preserve life.
Speaker 6:I know everybody on this channel has seen negative, negative videos. We've seen them too. If Eric and I and Alan and all of us that are on this panel had the power to stop every one of those, we would do it in a frigging heartbeat. However, we don't and that's why we bring this together.
Speaker 1:Well, bane and Froze, he froze and he's back you there, banning. Hello, he's having a little that couldn't have paused at the best moment, like it was the perfect moment for it to pause. For a fact, you still there, banning.
Speaker 1:I can't hear him, he's yep, now you're there, okay. So, yes, to back up what Banning said, this is one of the only, if not the only, platforms you are going to find where you all get to participate, say your piece, that we can, and that good luck finding another one. So, and we'll even highlight people like, uh, this guy right here, uh, or girl, josephine pasquale. Many innocent people are killed and locked up because of criminal lying cops with a k, so you know it's even more serious. Um, that's very vague. In general, I can't really have people been locked up because of lying cops. Yes, I've actually had them on and interviewed them. I've had people that have been, uh, success stories of the innocence project, such as Derek Hamilton. I had him on the show he was on Joe Rogan. We interviewed him. He was falsely convicted, exonerated for homicide from a corrupt I think it was NYPD detective that I think about 27 of his cases ended up being looked into because of this one case and it turns out he possibly wrongly convicted 27 other people for homicide.
Speaker 1:So I don't disagree with what you're saying. My problem is, josephine, are you coming here open and honestly to have objective discussion, or are you just coming here just to try to be an asshole. That's the difference. If you're here just to be an asshole, that's the difference. If you're here just to be an asshole, then only you know that answer. This ain't the place for you. But if you're here to have the tough questions, ask us, hold us to the fire. We will answer. We are here for that. That's what we're here for. If I don't have the right answer, I'm sorry. I'm going to be honest. So, uh, jason Elledge said I agree with you, sarge. Uh, I lived in Las Vegas and I've seen Metro act right and I've seen them act donkey. Uh, I think people don't like when supervisors sugarcoat mistakes in the field. Agreed, oh, 100% Agreed. I have made my officers apologize in the field. Hey, tell them you're sorry right now. Hey, ma'am, sir, my officer fucked up. Do you want to? I don't want to say fucked up, but hey, my officer screwed up. Do you want to file a complaint? I'm the supervisor, I'm here. Here's what that process looks like. But most of the time, when you lay out the education and why an officer acts the way they do, sometimes it does help. It's like a crab where if it's spelled with a K, it means it's not real.
Speaker 1:Josephine said bring me on your panel. Okay, do you want to be on it? I just need you to have a mic and a camera. Your mic needs to be external. I'm not doing a cell phone. Audio is the most important thing for what we do. Any cops that we have on here, I don't let them do it either. You need to have a mic and you need to have a webcam. If you're interested, reach out to us. We'll get you on here. We'll discuss whatever it is you want to discuss. That is also the difference in what we do compared to other people is I invite every single person that's anti-cop on here. Nobody has taken that yet, except for my guys that were wrongly convicted. It's not that they were anti-cop, they just wanted to share their experience. Let's keep going here. Let's go to the next video. That was a great video. That was a great video. We still have a ton of people on. By the way, vanny, come here.
Speaker 7:Come here, come here now 215.
Speaker 8:I got oneanny Come here, come here, come here, now 215. I got one running 124.
Speaker 1:Stop him, Dude. You can't. What was that? I don't know how big he says it, though. Oh, I'm sorry I'm going to go back. That all happened very fast for me.
Speaker 7:Hey, come here, come here.
Speaker 8:Come here now, 215. I got one running. Stop him, shoot you.
Speaker 1:Damn Okay, there are some people that will get mad. He said stop, because I'll fucking shoot you. Listen, there are some people that will get mad. He said stop, because I'll fucking shoot you. Listen, he said that because he's trying to avoid using a use of force. It's a bluff. I was hoping to scare him into stopping so we don't have to run after him. We don't have to chase him. We don't have to tase him. We don't have to tackle him. We don't have to shoot him. We don't have to do that. Imagine if he stopped in his tracks because this officer all of a sudden said stop, or I'll fucking shoot you. That is why he did what he did and I'm okay with that. So for everybody's I know you shouldn't talk to people like no, if it stops somebody in their tracks, so I don't have to use force later. That's, that's the best case scenario, that that's a bluff I'm okay with. Show me your.
Speaker 9:Show me your.
Speaker 1:Did he run back to the car?
Speaker 6:Oh, yeah, Okay so we just ran in a circle here.
Speaker 1:Andy Fletcher said having him run in the snow. Ugh yeah, I agree with you. I grew up in Michigan, y'all hey stop running in the snow. Yeah, I agree with you, I grew up in Michigan y'all hey Stop, is he alone with three people? I thought that was another officer, if you guys can see my mind, but it's not so I think I'm guessing here we tried to do a traffic stop. This guy fled from it, but we got two other people here. Were they the other ones in the car.
Speaker 6:I'm trying to figure everything out.
Speaker 1:He's in over his head here. This is a shit storm. I don't even know how I would handle this. Okay, and I've got the luxury of I'm. I paused it and I'm guessing I'm gonna run wide back to my vehicle and try to use my vehicle's cover, because this is insane. Like, what do you do here? I don't know, banny, will you got anything? I the fuck, I don't know what to do here. Am I frozen or can?
Speaker 6:you hear me.
Speaker 1:I can hear you, can you hear?
Speaker 6:me. Yeah, no, I just I'm looking at my other picture up here and it looks like I'm frozen still, so I didn't know you're good bro. I didn't know if these we're watching this video for the first time, just like y'all are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, harrison brock said eric, what would you do if one of your la's told you to saying no to saying sorry to somebody? But that, okay, whether or not they say sorry really makes no difference to me. If they fucked up and the person wants to press the issue, if they, if the, the, the citizen says no, this ain't right. Like I want you to do something, I'm going to do something. I'm going to write them up, I'm going to do whatever. Um, and depending on their history, depends on the level that that's going to be. It really has no difference if they do it or not, because they could say that they're sorry, but the person still wants something done. Hey, my guy's going to apologize to you, cool, okay, here he is. He apologized. Okay, go away. I'm going to make my guy go away because I don't want him around. I don't want the person to feel obligated to say no in front of him. This is how I handle things. So, once my guy's long gone, I'm going to say listen, they're gone, they're out handling calls. Now Do you want to push this any farther? Do you want to make a complaint? And that's how I'm going to handle it because it makes no difference. What I want, it's you. Do you want to file a complaint? And then now it's on that person.
Speaker 1:More often than not, I I can say I a hundred percent of the time. Anytime that I have come up to a person that I've witnessed one of my officers be rude or whatever you know, not handle it the right way, I've come up and told my officer hey, you need to go over there and you need to apologize and you need to tell them why you said what you said, because oftentimes they don't realize it. But when you explain why you did what you did, that helps. So then, once my officer does that, all right, go away. I make them leave the scene completely. Hey, ma'am, sir, my officer's gone. Do you want to file a complaint on them? If you do, I understand and I'll make that happen. Most, 100% of the time, they're like no, I didn't look at it the way that he said so, no, I don't want to do that. That's why I do what I do. I hope that answers your question. Sorry, let me keep playing here. I don't know what I do here. Guys, the driver's your concern, oh.
Speaker 7:Get out of the car.
Speaker 1:Damn, I'm not going to lie. I don't know that I've ever been able to draw a baton that quick. That was pretty quick for you Banning.
Speaker 6:I have on a couple instances, but I mean it wasn't, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be this. But again, I don't know what all started this. I mean that's, that's the whole thing with these videos, guys, is we don't know the beginning. It would help everybody in the whole picture if we knew the entire circumstances here. But we're trying to guess on what's available on YouTube.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So what is unique about what we're doing, guys? We don't know any of the details, we don't read into them, we don't know nothing. We are talking out of our ass based on what we see. That is what is the biggest difference about what we're doing as cops. Cops will not discuss anything based simply on what they see, and that is one of the biggest frustrations to me. As a cop, I can give you some sort of feedback based on what I'm watching, without the whole picture, with the caveat of saying I don't know the whole picture, listen. Based on what I'm watching without the whole picture, with the caveat of saying I don't know the whole picture, listen, based on what I see. Now, if I get new information, I will change my opinion, and that is why we do what we do. But if you guys are going to make a judgment by the videos that you're seeing, why can't we help out? Why can't we give a law enforcement perspective based on the same shit? You guys see, that's the difference.
Speaker 1:So, um, just looking at the comments andy fletcher said, with the distance and the snow, that's a scary situation. Um, plain jane. No traffic stops for petty infractions, no victim, no crime, just depends. So, like in this situation, I don't know. We don't know what the stop was. We don't even know if this was a traffic stop. This could have been a suspect vehicle, this could have been a lot of things, so let's not get too invested Put it apart, I'll shoot you.
Speaker 9:Put it apart, put it apart. So let's not get too invested.
Speaker 1:Okay, a reasonable person doesn't continue to try to put the car in drive while a cop's on top of their ass swinging a baton around. I can hear the gas. He's pressing. The gas shots fired 215 shots fired okay, we've had this discussion Creating your own exigency.
Speaker 6:There's no reason for it. Again trying not to quarterback here, but it's just not how Banning operates.
Speaker 1:It's not how I operate. If he starts taking off, I'm backing out.
Speaker 6:Yep.
Speaker 1:I am not going to take somebody's life simply because they're trying to get away.
Speaker 6:Hey, just for shits and grins. Pull up the details on this once we're done. And what else is police activity added to this that we may?
Speaker 1:help? Yeah, I will. So yeah, I will say this is not how I would have handled it. As soon as he started to try to drive off, I'm backing off myself. I can hear him pressing. As soon as that car starts to move, I'm backing out. Try to get him out. I get it, but no, unless this guy's wanted for something heinous guys, but we don't know that yet. So that makes me lean towards this. Is this a traffic stop?
Speaker 6:Is it an investigation or a traffic stop?
Speaker 1:Right this car was parked. He was already long out of that vehicle. Did he flee and then get to here? I don't know Things to consider. Come here. Come, come here now.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 1:So he's really got no excuse. This is a fully uniformed police officer. This is a fully marked police unit. You know you're supposed to stop. He runs from him. Okay, fair enough. Do these guys get back in the car? They do, don't they, cuz there was some one dude did. So they're trying to get the kid out.
Speaker 1:Wow, okay, so that occurred well away from where I thought it happened. I thought it was all in that one spot. Yeah, so there was a kid in the car and you could hear them saying the kid or something like that. I don't know. Now my thought process has kind of changed. Like now you got, if I let him flee, now I'm letting a kid knowingly being endangered because who knows what he's going to do when he runs in this car. Did the cop know that there was a kid in there? So this isn't necessarily just being scared for your safety, your personal safety. This is in protection of a third party, a child. Oh, oh, I don't know. This is why we don't monday morning quarterback. I can't, can't, say yes or no in this situation.
Speaker 1:Y'all, what do y'all think in the comments? Um, now that there's a kid involved, what? What do you think? Uh, plain jane said what? Uh, I wasn't necessarily talking with me't necessarily talking about Rolling Stop with no, oh, I'm sorry, it's probably not what she meant to talk about here. So the guy Did not run back to the car. Where's backup? Suspect Don't know where is backup. We don't know what we're dealing with. Might be three guys on duty today and the next guy is 15 minutes away. We don't know.
Speaker 6:I wish my backup was 15 minutes away.
Speaker 1:I don't, guys, I'm going to give you 100% Levine right now. I don't know on this one. This one is tough. It is a tough call. There's a kid in the car. He's obviously willing to run in the vehicle with the child in the car. I don't know if it's a baby or what, but it's a child, I don't know. I definitely retract my backing off and not doing anything. If it had just been him and another adult, then, yes, I would have backed out. But there's a kid in the car. You can't, you can't retreat on that.
Speaker 6:You know, I don't, and I never did, anytime dealing with this as a single-person unit rolling up and the driver just takes off. If you've got other people in the car where you don't know, you're clearing that car before you're going after that person, and what probable cause do we have to go after that person? That's what I want to know. If there's something in the comments to where maybe something was known, this was a 911 call on something else, I really can't state without even reading it yet that he's just rolling into this alley and he's like, hey, there's a guy getting out of the car, I'm gonna run. There's got to be more of the situation. You know and try not to quarterback it much, but golly, man, I mean this anytime you have kids or just other people involved, as uh yeah, uh.
Speaker 1:Andy fletcher said it sounded like the car crashed into the house on the right. Just as you froze the video, let me, I'll go back.
Speaker 6:I think that was the gunshot, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Let's go back right there. He's hitting the gas he must be in. Like that's when the officers and the driver's door, you see it at them Spinning the tires. That's a gunshot, gunshot, gunshot, gunshot, gunshot and I believe that's the end of it. Yeah, that's the end of it. So let's check out those details. Yeah, we're going to go to the details on this one. We don't do this, but I'm going to read it. Rock Island Illinois.
Speaker 1:On January 5th 2025, at approximately 3.15 pm, rock Island Police Department Brett Taylor was conducting patrol in a fully marked squad vehicle in the area of the 12th Street and 34th Avenue on Rock Island Illinois. Officer Taylor noticed a maroon 2013 ford fusion traveling northbound towards his squad car, then immediately turned left into an alley. He noted that the windows were heavily tinted, but believed he saw two male subjects in the front seat. Officer taylor ran the license plate of the vehicle, which was was registered to both 21-year-old Jakarta Jackson and female. Numerous no female, oh, and a female.
Speaker 1:Numerous alerts came back from the vehicle, including a weapons caution and recent involvement in a fled vehicle report. There was also an active warrant for Jackson out of Rhode Island County. Officer Taylor located the parked vehicle in the driveway of 2403 12th Street, later determined to be a vacant home. Officer Taylor was parked in a squad behind the vehicle. When he saw Jackson walking away, he initiated his flashing lights for traffic stop and exited the squad, yelling verbal cans commands for Jackson to stop. Jackson did not stop again running around. We know that um threatening to shoot. He did not have a, although he did not have his weapon drawn.
Speaker 1:Jackson dah dah, dah, dah, dah dah dah dah pushing the gear in a project and pulls back into the driveway struggling uh, pushing the gear in a park. Jackson pulls back into the driveway, struggling to go in reverse. Officer Taylor appears to be hanging onto Jackson and onto the car door as Jackson is driving forward down the side of the yard on the hill and strikes a street sign before spinning and stopping at the bottom of 12th Street. Officer Taylor appears to fall backwards when the car hits the street sign and is then seen with his weapon, discharging it five times, hitting Jackson in the glute and lower torso. Officer Taylor then moves Jackson out of the vehicle while another officer arrives to assist. Cpr and other life-saving measures were administered to Jackson.
Speaker 1:The investigator later revealed that there were six individuals. Holy shit, there were six people in that car in the fourth fusion when he initiated the stop, one male along with two minor children and a three-year-old and a six-year-old in the back seat. The vehicle did not have child safety restraints or seating, so there were just loose kids in the back. No other passengers were physically injured during the incident. There were no weapons discovered on Jackson or inside the Ford Fusion. Officer Taylor was taken to a nearby hospital for treatment and was released. Oh, so he didn't die. Oh no, officer Taylor was. Jackson did not survive his injuries. Two of the adult passengers were also at the top of the hill, observed the car driving forward with Officer Taylor attached to the driver's side door. Okay, with Officer Taylor attached to the driver's side door. Okay.
Speaker 1:So Tiffany T is saying cop created that mess, did he? He initiated a stop Person, ran the driver.
Speaker 1:He chased after the driver which is normal and it turned into what it turned into. So I wouldn't say he created the mess. I think he did what he was supposed to do and then it just turned into a shit show. So it's a hard one. That's a hard one Like for me. You got the kids in the car. That changed everything. That really did, because inevitably, when you go to pull someone over and that happens, you're not supposed to go chasing the passengers, you're supposed to chase the driver. That's the person you're trying to stop Banning. Is that how you looking at it?
Speaker 6:is. But different areas, different ways to do things that make sense. You know, just like that he didn't have any backup right there. Personally, I'm not chasing him. I'm staying with the people. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Obviously we can id him, write paper on him and catch him later yeah, even if he's going to loop back and then we can deal with it on that deal. But once you realize you have kids in that car and you have multiple folks that are in the car, let's investigate a little bit further. We're getting on the radio, we're letting dispatch know, comms know Get some folks here figure out what's going on. If we get a lockdown in the area, if it's a bad deal, that's fine. But good Lord, I'm not quarterbacking and that's the way he was trained.
Speaker 1:I will say, if I'm alone, I'm not chasing anybody, right, I'm not going like if there's a car full of people I'm just going to be like, all right, see ya, I'm going to find out who you are from your friends. They're not going to cover for you. I I'm gonna figure out who you are and just put an invading charge on you and that's it. So I kind of get where she's coming from. I say she, where it was her name, uh, tiffany. Yeah, that's why I said she. She said, uh, he shouldn't have chased, and I, I agree with that. I I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have, I I wouldn't say he shouldn't have, just saying it wasn't a wise choice, what I personally would not have, because I would have went old school and been like I'm not getting tired for no reason and I'm just going to find out who you are from your people. But that's 18 years of talking, that's 22 years of police experience coming from Banny, somebody, somebody had made a comment and doesn't matter who it was.
Speaker 6:But you know, this is something to the effect of why are you stopping somebody for a defective taillight or a license plate light? Well, just part of my experience and I'm just one law enforcement officer I've gotten two people wanted for murder out of separate states, one being a taillight out, the other one being a license plate light out those minor traffic infractions. And again, I'm not a big ticket writer and I'm going to tell you right now, if I light up somebody with a taillight out or a headlight out or something like that, and they take off my initial before they flee, which becomes a felony. My initial is what's called a Class C in the state of Texas, which is just traffic. I'm cutting it off unless I've got a stolen vehicle or something else to articulate to put other people in danger, and then it's got to be elevated at that.
Speaker 6:I've canceled more pursuits on my own accord without a supervisor canceling it, even when I was a slick-sleeve officer, because I can run that reel in my head seeing so many bad things. I don't want to be the guy that's responsible for a guy that stole his mother's car and it came as what's called a UUMV in the state of Texas unauthorized use of motor vehicle and we go and get into a pursuit and he ends up rolling that car into a living room and killing somebody. I will cancel a pursuit before I will go with it, unless it's one of these. If this guy gets away, he is probably going to hurt or kill somebody else. That's the only reason I'm going to chase till the wheels fall off and I'm different with other law enforcement on that so.
Speaker 1:So Mama G said so if someone takes off or takes a left-hand turn, avoiding the cop or not, and windows tinted, so windows are too dark, it deserves shooting incident. Shake my head. That's not what we're saying. What we're saying is you pull someone over, you have a right as a cop. You're using the law. That's the job. If you don't like the way that the laws are, then you need to get them changed. And that's the beauty of this nation is that we can get laws changed through votes and having the people stand up and say, no, we don't like that anymore. But that's not the case. So having tint too dark is a law. So that is justification for a traffic stop. Is it something I would do? No, I live in Texas. It gets hot. I would think you're nuts for not having tint and having dark tint I get it.
Speaker 1:However, let's just say we're going to go with whatever state this is or whatever it's against the law, and they decide to do a traffic stop. That is not why they decided to shoot somebody. They didn't say, oh, his tint's too dark. They didn't do that, guys. The way that you're trying to explain that is it's dishonest. I'm not saying you're dishonest, mama G. I'm just saying that'sa very weak and generalization, and you know that Deep down. You know that that's a generalization and that's not what happened. What happened was he tried to pull him over for a traffic stop. Hey, your tint's too dark. Let me find out what's going on.
Speaker 1:This car's been seen to flee, so there's obviously something going on. They're cops. That's what you want your cops to do. You want them to dig into stuff where people are running from police. That's the proactive side of policing. You get mad if they don't do their job. You get mad when they do do their job. It's a catch-22, no matter what.
Speaker 1:So this person ran the plate, found a car that happens to have fled from police before, and they try to do a traffic stop based on some minimal stuff that they could find, and then, lo and behold, guess what? The person runs again. So now he chases after him. This is where we have some common ground. I want to chase them. I had five, six people jump out of the car like. I'm gonna figure out who you are based on that. Then we can write a warrant later. There's no reason to go any farther.
Speaker 1:But that's old. This that's experience speaking. A younger cop may not have thought that way. Younger cop's going to see the rabbit runs. I chased the rabbit. So he did. He chased the rabbit and he paid for it. It wasn't because of tint, it was because of series of things that happened and based on his training experience, which was limited, that's what he did. He chased after him.
Speaker 1:So then he gets up there and he's like oh shit, I'm in over my head, I'm alone, and this guy is running in the car. Oh shit, there's kids inside. I can't let him run with kids inside. Now he's in a catch-22. If he just backed up, let him go and that guy wrecked out with the kids in the car, what would you be saying? Why didn't he go out? Why didn't try to get him out of the car? People would be pissed because he didn't try to get him out of the car. People would be pissed because he didn't try to get him out of the car. So he tried to get him out of the car the best way he knew. It's a shitty spot, guys.
Speaker 1:So I can't give you a right or wrong answer. I hope you're not looking at me and like, oh, you better say the right thing. I'm not going to, I don't know how to, but to sit there and go. It was over 10. No, it wasn't over 10, it was a series of events. This is what happened. This is what led to that. So Andy Fletcher said I wouldn't have chased him. That's our point. Okay, but that doesn't make what that person did wrong. Just because I wouldn't have, because we're sitting here, we're watching in hindsight, guys, you, this is the hard part and this is and this is where I challenge y'all that are kind of pushing that way. Let me run you through a scenario. Let me put a badge and a gun belt on you with all the tools available and then put you through that. I want you to tell me that that's how you would respond. It's easy to sit back and say that's how you would respond, but you don't know until you've done it. Let's have an honest conversation, honest. What do you got, bainey?
Speaker 6:No, I'm right there with you. I mean, you put 100 cops by themselves into a room. They watch this video with the information that we had and you may have 50 different answers. With 100 cops on how that's going. You may have 100 different answers and it all goes back to their training, how many years they've had in the field.
Speaker 6:I'm a big proponent, same as you is is where are we getting these guys? We're plucking them, we're bringing them into law enforcement. Can they communicate to begin with? What's their background while training? Are we just filling a seat with? It's a warm body and he can pass a B and C tests and now we're putting them out there on the street. You know, and if Eric and I could have our way and to make sure that each cop knows how to communicate when they come out and use all their senses, when, when they go to stop somebody and and use all the safety that's afforded to us with whatever department that we're with, then maybe you might not a hundred percent have a different outcome on some of this stuff. Is it the best way?
Speaker 1:No, but we're just using our training and experience to say say that type of thing. Yeah, josephine, you know I, I appreciate your comments, but you're being a little disingenuous. The man did nothing to be killed for if those were your kids in the back seat, is that what you would be saying? Because I know what I'd be saying if my kids were in the back seat. I know what I'd be saying. So I don't know you, you don't know me, so we'll, we'll leave it at that. I don't think any less of you. I just think that you're being a contrarian intentionally. I'll just put it that way. There's plenty of people on here that know and have called us out and have called out other bad stuff and we've been able to meet common ground. But to say that type of thing, let it be your kids in that back seat, and then tell me how you would feel about a person that's trying to flee from the cops and that cop did nothing. That cop does nothing and they flee with your kids in the car. That cop doesn't know whose kids those are. That's the one thing us as cops, we don't play around with, at least for me.
Speaker 1:Kids. You want to make me emotionally invested really quick. It's children. I try to be very objective and try to keep a non-emotional level about some of the stuff I do. Kids get involved. I will tell you I am 100%. There's a whole reason. I've never done crimes against children. Bannon you ever done that?
Speaker 6:For two days.
Speaker 1:For two days.
Speaker 6:That's all I got to say because I probably would have been a, I would have been unemployed.
Speaker 1:It takes a special.
Speaker 6:There's so many hats that we wear in law enforcement from all the different criminal elements that we have special units for. That's one unit that I would say probably less than one percent of law enforcement can handle without starting a Glock or crossing that fourth amendment line and taking somebody out on an admission that they did something to a child. Yep, I'm gonna leave it at that. And, like I said, I was in there for a small amount of time and I decided I'm going back to normal patrol canine narcotic because that's that's my area of expertise and whenever I run into something like that I bring in the professionals, because I am not. I would be the first one to tell you I am not the professional to go interview somebody.
Speaker 6:What we get trained to do is law enforcement and sit down and have this hunky dory meeting with an SOB. It's done something to a child or hurt a child because I'm going to be in prison as soon as I if I get in the middle and it's a a Ray Justay statement that they committed a felony and defiled or did something bad, yeah, my baggage is going away and I'm going to prison because that's our next generation. That's, that's the. That's the truth. You look at everything in the world that is the true innocence is our children. Yep, I have that special person to be able to do that and I'm not the guy.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm not the guy either. I can't Guys, I've been. I don't want to say offered, but somebody had asked me if I'd consider doing crimes against children internet crimes against children and I just can't do it. I just can't do it. So, um know thyself and I know me, I would get emotionally invested. It would eat me, it'd eat me up and I don't know that I could be fair to somebody that I was um investigating as a suspect.
Speaker 1:So eye of the night said oh, banning decided to show up to the show, glad to see you back. I tried to read that in his voice. Sigma Lord said I would be arrested, the car knowing a cop is trying to stop you. Like you are the worst of the worst people. You were trying to flee with kids in the car. So that's why I look at you, know, josephine, and I'm like come on, you are being a. I don't, josephine, I believe your heart's in the right place. I really do. I really think that you have your heart in the right place, but you are not being genuine, you are being a contrarian on this particular topic. I will believe that wholeheartedly. I think at the end of the day you would have done the same thing, because you are not going to risk kids. You're not going to risk children.
Speaker 1:So Eye of the Knight said good thing too. We need someone to supervise Eric off. Eye of the Knight, you're not wrong, though I do need some supervision. Let me go to the next video. Banny, how long you got bud. I'm feeling good. We have literally almost 300 people logged on right now. That shows on Restream.
Speaker 6:If you want to go for another hour, I don't care.
Speaker 1:Fuck it. So just for those listening, when we see our numbers on Restream, Restream's numbers are very off. If it shows 30 people, that means we've got anywhere from 1,000 to 2,000 people. When it shows us that we have 300 people, that means we have a lot of people still logged on. And if you're wondering like how the fuck do you know that, it's because it's only registering my stuff, it's not registering Matt's stuff, it's not registering Banning's stuff, which he's got his LinkedIn Banning. How many LinkedIn followers do you have? 30,000?
Speaker 6:31,000. Yeah, I don't look at them as followers.
Speaker 1:Eric, I look at them as connections, connections, whatever the fuck you want to say. So, tomato, tomato. So yeah, guys, I don't even know how many Matt has, so that's just to give you an idea. So thank you, guys. If we have 30 people that are logged on, we consider that a classroom. If anybody's teaching a class 30 people or more that's a great class to be teaching. So we are here for y'all, so love it. Josephine said damn it. I clicked it, eric. I'm not disrespecting, so stop disrespecting. I'm not disrespecting, so stop disrespecting. I'm not disrespecting. You Listen, if you're going to try to call us out, we're not going to just sit back and let you slap at us. We're going to come back at you.
Speaker 6:We're not being mean, I'm not saying that, josephine, we love that you're here. Yes, this is 100% Again, eric, and I don't make any money for this. Anybody on our panel doesn't that this? This is not for zero. To be honest with you, I don't, I don't care for the camera, I don't care, but but this is in my heart.
Speaker 6:I've retired, I know, because my my mother's always told me I have a great face for radio, meaning face is getting awfully red from all them coors, by the way, it is man and uh. But no, seriously, guys, we're here for you and, josephine, if it's come across that way, it is not. We love that you have a voice. We're not gonna, we're not gonna put out your voice if we disagree. We're gonna tell you because we already know. If you guys disagree with us, you're gonna tell us, and that's what this panel is all about.
Speaker 6:You know, in the end of this, I'm hoping in two to three years from now, that there's a lot of people here tonight that may get some A different methodology of thought of what a human being that carries a badge is going out there and doing. I'm not saying we were the first ones to tell you. We don't think that every cop is right and justified in what they do out there. We're we're not an echo chamber, like, like Eric stated, we're not here to say, by golly, we're police officers. No right, we want to hear your sides. What, what? You know, there wouldn't be any cops if it wasn't for the general public and you are the general public. We're bringing you in here to have a voice as well. It's not just for us. Getting off my soapbox. I know eric's gonna go to another video, but we love all of y'all. Regardless of we're in different and different stuff, we're all humans. I'm gonna go right back to that. We are all humans in this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, shout out to jason eldridge. I haven't heard from him, so I'm gonna. He said real, talked 11 years in casino security in Las Vegas, so he's definitely handled some rough. Bush have handled most calls other than active murder. We had a guy get stabbed in the garage and I can, I can yell violate, crime, sucks, violent crime. Yeah, violent crime. I think he's, I don't know I't. Yeah, sorry, sorry, brother, between the smoke wagon and then trying to read that I don't know what you meant, so yeah so.
Speaker 6:So, in reference to andy's that one that just popped up at the top I want more cops to watch.
Speaker 6:Let me tell you, brother, there are, there's a, there's a lot of law enforcement that are watching right now, but the way the rules dictate and their general orders. When they're a full-time peace officer at their department, they don't read the fine print on it and they're very careful on where they come in and make comments because they think it's going to. So I'm going to tell you right now there's just as many law enforcement watching right now and hopefully learn some stuff from y'all and from us to help them in their career. But there is a lot of active law enforcement and retired law enforcement that watch the show as well.
Speaker 1:Just so everybody so what banning can back up? What I'm about to tell you guys is I get messages, not just from y'all, but from cops as well, that tell me constantly hey, been checking out your channel for the last month, or been checking out your channel for the last year or however long it is. It is so refreshing or it's so cool to see, or, you know, it's really awesome that a cop is calling out. You know other cops but also, like you, you're doing it really well because it's even keeler. However you want to say it, you're doing it really well because it's even keeler, however you want to say it. Every time we get those messages, I send it in our group chat and show our guys. I highlight it hey guys, the mission that we are doing is working. Here's a cop saying this, here's a civilian saying this, here's a cop saying this, and I share it with them every time. I want it to be a motivator that somebody is like this is awesome. So cops are watching.
Speaker 1:I will tell you, when I started doing this, it was for citizens. That was my idea when I first started. I was like oh, I want to help teach citizens this, that and the other. You want to know who I've taught more than anybody Other cops. So, andy, it's working brother. It is absolutely. I have gotten more feedback from cops. So, andy, it's working brother. It is absolutely, I have gotten more feedback from cops.
Speaker 1:You really want to see it? Check out my LinkedIn. Go to our two cops window on LinkedIn. You'll see a lot more cops on there. Um, it's tends to be kind of a more professional format, so they um do it for their job and all that stuff. But that is where I've got a lot of other officers that are like I didn't think of it that way. Or, man, this is great. This should be training everywhere. So, yes, other cops are watching, but you're right, yeah, more cops need to watch. Sign up, follow us. You spend so many hours on the range and you have to shoot and you have to shoot in the vehicle while IQ of a goose. I don't understand what that means.
Speaker 6:Well, he's yelling it, it's all in caps. I mean there's something wrong. I mean it's obviously he ran into something.
Speaker 1:Some people have a hard time seeing, so they ran into all kinds of things, sir.
Speaker 6:Richard the Lionheart man, stick around. We're human just like you are man. We're not perfect and we're not sitting. We're claiming to be perfect.
Speaker 1:I'll put my foot in my mouth. I will put my foot in my mouth. I 100% guarantee it. It's going to happen. So let's go to the next video, though let's see. Is that the right one? Share Biggie size? Oh, banning, by the way, apparently me saying biggie size is a thing, it is.
Speaker 6:I get comments, even on LinkedIn, that you're not even connected with. They're like is Eric going to biggie size it? And I'm like are we going live tonight? We're going to biggie size it.
Speaker 1:I didn't when I was a kid growing up, that was a big thing. Like you go through the mcdonald's line, do they still? All right, this tells you how un and how not in touch I am with fast food, because the only fast food I really eat is chick-fil-a um. When I do decide to eat it, maybe sometimes some canes, but do they still call it Biggie Size? Can you Biggie Size that?
Speaker 6:I have no idea, I just eat vegetables.
Speaker 1:I don't know either. You don't eat no fucking vegetables. What do you live on? What is that? Chicken fried steak, that's what you live on. That's a Texas thing, y'all. I never heard of chicken fried steak until I moved down here. All right, let's go. All right, this doesn't look real. Oh, your boy got a rival. I was going to say he's got a rival. I was going to say he's got a rival. All right, this is the skeptical side of me. Why the fuck is this camera angle here?
Speaker 6:I think this is probably going to be a Tesla video.
Speaker 1:This is going to be somebody's car. You think that's a car, right?
Speaker 6:there. Do you see that fender on the very right side of the screen?
Speaker 1:Oh, you're right. No, I didn't even notice that. I'm like this is a weird fucking angle. Okay, all right, you kind of won me over. All right, so we're watching a robbery? I guess that's my guess. Yep, is this like a? Again, we don't know any. I don't know any details. I've never seen this. Is this like a uber ride gone wrong? I don't know, this is fucking weird. This is this is weird. So, all right, let's keep going. Okay, your boy is really trying. We got no sound guys, so I apologize, that's just the way it is. He's robbing two dudes on the sidewalk with what looked like an AK to me like a.
Speaker 1:Probably an SKS, but Okay, so they're attacking his ass? Okay, good for them. All right, beautiful, listen, I don't care what you got to do. Meat, teeth and hair. Go for it all Okay. All right, I guess the thing that we got to start thinking of is if we're the police and we show up to this. That's kind of how I'm looking at. What the fuck do I do? Okay, we'll keep going. My boy's throwing elbows. Yo, what the fuck is going on.
Speaker 1:Oh, so the cops stumbled upon this shit. They don't know what the fuck's happening. Oh shit, this is dangerous Very, because I don't know who the bad guy is. Oh shit, this is dangerous Very, because I don't know who the bad guy is. Me looking at this as a cop, I don't know who's the bad guy.
Speaker 6:All you want to do as a police officer is freeze the scene so nobody gets hurt, and then investigate it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so okay, I don't know what's going on. Everybody's on the ground. Get on your fucking face. Everybody on their face Doesn't matter. I don't know who's the bad guy. So, for here, everybody on the ground. That's where I'm going right now. Okay, this is a shitty situation because I'm going to keep saying it over and over Everybody on their face, everybody on their face, everybody on their face, everybody on the ground. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to me, these two dudes are fighting over their fucking life. Yep, holy shit, this is a bad spot. You don't know who's Fuck. All right, let's keep Fuck, let's keep going. So now, in this, the only thing that I'm going to say is I've got the advantage right now is I know who the bad guy is.
Speaker 9:Drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun. Get off my head, get off my head, get off my head, get off of him.
Speaker 1:This is bad. This guy right here is so fucking smoked right now. He is so in over his head with just fight or flight response. Did you see his feet?
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go back. I want you guys to watch his feet. This is not normal.
Speaker 7:Watch his feet.
Speaker 9:Drop the gun. Drop the gun, get off of him, get off of him.
Speaker 1:My man just danced. He doesn't know what the fuck to do and I don't blame him, no.
Speaker 6:You're looking down at people fighting over an.
Speaker 1:AK Damn bro.
Speaker 9:Rifle Shot fired. Shot fired, shot fired.
Speaker 6:So it looks like one of the victims got hit in the hand.
Speaker 1:Looks like one of them got hit.
Speaker 6:yeah, Luckily they shot the right dude.
Speaker 1:Okay, two minutes. No audio capture during the two-minute buffer period. Whose body camera has a two minute Okay?
Speaker 9:Okay.
Speaker 1:So I didn't hear that before. But the guy's yelling he's got a gun, he's got a gun, shit even, okay, even still. You don't know.
Speaker 9:Drop the gun. Drop the gun, get off of him, get off.
Speaker 1:So he sees the gun, he says it he's got an AK. He's got an AK Like our body. Armor's not stopping that. So I understand his excited utterance right here. Don't blame him there. Get everybody, everybody. This is the one time you get to call everybody. Oh shit, I didn't mean to do that. Damn Dang it.
Speaker 9:Yes, sir, get off my head. Yes, sir. Get off my head, officer DeYoung.
Speaker 1:That shot right there. I don't think that was intentional.
Speaker 6:No, I think that was a sympathetic response with fear, human fear, and that's a training issue. And is that excusable?
Speaker 1:No, yeah, I agree. I don't think he meant to do that. I think that that was a fuck-up shot right there. That may have been the hand shot. I don't know which one got shot, though that's a guy in blue. Did he get shot, or was it the other dude?
Speaker 6:I think it was a dude in the darker clothes, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to go back just a little bit to see if it's possible. He's shot, he has a gun.
Speaker 9:Get off of him. He has AK. He has AK.
Speaker 1:Did anybody else fire? I think he's the only dude that fired. I'll go back. I think he's the only one that fired. I don't even know the AK fire. He's the only one that fired. He's the only one that fired. He's the only one that fired. Not saying that him firing is wrong. I agree with him shooting. I think he was fine in that I don't like. But he obviously must have hit that other guy somehow. I don't know how he hit him.
Speaker 9:But Rifle One for Teef and Graham. Hey, get down, get down. One for Teef and Graham Graham. Get down Get down Off the Off the, off the hey shot. He has the rifle, shot the rifle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's fucking worked up Understandably so.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, he's fucking worked up Understandably. So, yeah, that dude's probably got me between a 180 and 190 on heart rate and that goes to. You know, right now I wouldn't feel comfortable with myself in uniform because after I've gotten out I've put on weight and haven't worked out as much, I wouldn't feel confident being in uniform right now. But when I was in uniform and doing everything that I did, you've got to be able to control that heart rate and that's a big thing with cardio and working out and going out to these calls it could be going to a stolen bicycle call, going to a homicide call directly after that. You've got to be able to have control of your mental and physical capabilities out there. And I don't know this dude's history. I don't know any of that. I'm not. I'm not crucifying the police officer by any stretch. I don't know this dude's history. I don't know any of that. I'm not crucifying the police officer by any stretch.
Speaker 1:I don't know what he's going in through in his head being there on scene. But it'll work, man. Yeah, listen, it's a bad deal. I honestly feel for that cop. That is a shit situation. You got three dudes fighting over a gun. You don't know who the bad guy is.
Speaker 6:And then you have two complete victims that were just walking the street. I mean I think they are. I mean we don't know those stories, but from what's being portrayed here is they're standing in the street talking and this guy comes up to rob them and then that's where the scene starts the Tesla. Now we can see I knew that was a Tesla camera we can see the Tesla there that's capturing all of this. And thank God for that because that helps with court cases down the road. And and thank God for that because that helps with court cases down the road.
Speaker 6:And just so everybody understands that they don't agree with filming in public, these Teslas have solved a lot of crimes. All they're doing is recording public space, just like when you're walking down the sidewalk. You know, eric and I both we don't care about these First Amendment auditors who go around and film everything that's in the public view. Go film whatever you want, man. I mean, if you're in the public view, go film whatever you want, man. I mean, if you're in the public view, you're fine. But these Teslas have actually helped solve a lot of crimes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and for me watching that I'm sitting there going as the officer that responds. I'm just like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't Like. You got to act, you got to do something. And how reasonable is it for somebody to continue to try to pick up a gun while being wrestled by two people and with a cop right there? He obviously did a good job at threat assessing and going after the right person. He called out the right weapon, but he was worked up man. He was fucking hyped. His flight or flight was off the charts right there.
Speaker 1:Paralyzed almost in reference to yeah. He did the happy dance while he was doing that.
Speaker 6:David.
Speaker 1:Emmons did the AK fire first. Perhaps I don't think so. I think he fired because that guy was grabbing the AK. That's just my opinion. Let's see where the video goes.
Speaker 9:Maybe something else on here I didn't see. Drop the rifle Officer needs help. Hey, drop the rifle, let me get an OA. Hey, he has a rifle. Drop the fucking rifle, motherfucker.
Speaker 1:If he doesn't do anything other than put his hands up, I'm shooting him more, so I'm glad to see it looks like. Now that I've seen that camera angle, it looks like he's putting his hands up. Gotta secure that weapon.
Speaker 9:Hey, get over here. Hey get away.
Speaker 1:Listen, this officer's response is completely understandable when you know the flight or fight response.
Speaker 6:It's a very dynamic scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's at his threshold understandable when you know the flight or fight response.
Speaker 7:It's a very dynamic scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's at his threshold. This guy is. He saw that AK. He's fired his weapon at a human being, which we've never done. I understand it. I'm not saying that's how I would respond. I'm hoping I could do better, but we never know until we're in that situation. I've never fired my gun at a person, banny, have you?
Speaker 6:I'm sorry, disconnecting here a little bit. What'd you say?
Speaker 1:I said have you ever fired your weapon at somebody? No, I've never fired my weapon at a person, come close, but haven't had to do it. So I don't think any of us can make an honest assessment that we know how we would react when we had to fire our gun at somebody until we've done it.
Speaker 9:so wanna keep going 1-13 to Graham.
Speaker 1:There's gonna be a my concern is where is this gotta get that secured? We gotta get an ambulance started because we shot.
Speaker 9:I think we shot this suspect and he was shot in person.
Speaker 7:Hey partner, get the shield, let's move up on him and take him to custody, right All right, when are you ready?
Speaker 3:Hold on, let's get the shield.
Speaker 1:This is one of those times where I get a little frustrated, and this is my arrogance. I feel like I can read the situation better than other people. This dude is not going for that gun. That's just my thought. What do you think? Banning, no, it's the same thing he's given up.
Speaker 6:I don't know if he's been hit or not. We've got a victim, a true victim. That's A true victim.
Speaker 6:We've got to get him taken care of it's in a dog pile and his hand or wrist or arm got hit. So now it's our responsibility to stop that bleed and make sure he goes home with less scratches. I don't know if these guys even know where that rifle's sitting at right now because of the perpetual motion of the scene. Yeah, it could be under the car, he could be sitting on it. So I understand they're trying to get a shield, they're trying to do this and that, but I believe what Eric's trying to tell everybody is we would handle that differently.
Speaker 6:The guy's got his hands up over there. We're not going to lose that grasp and ground. We're going to stay up there on him. We're going to get him down. We're going to get him into custody. We're going to get medical on the other folks and try to unravel this, because what everybody doesn't understand is these officers haven't seen this Tesla video yet. They haven't seen it and you know this is blank minded to them. They're rolling up. There's three guys fighting. Dude on the bottom comes up with an ar. That's where we're truly at right now, and they've had to deliver rounds down range in an unknowing situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's and this is real life police worker here. And to mama g's point she said why shoot when you have no idea what's going on? That's not an unfair question. I, I see where you're coming from. However, in police work we start to break down, even if it's subconsciously. Like hey, when police show up, everybody usually just like ah, that's a normal response. 99 of the time that's the response.
Speaker 1:Guys fighting, guys, whatever it is stealing, you catch them in the act of ah, shit, I was just like this is a normal reaction in a violent situation. Honestly, it is so. When there's guys fighting, he's got a gun, he's got it and they're yelling this guy's got a gun and he continues to grab that gun and get up with it while the police arethat's not normal, that's not a normal thing. So I think they really just—they did, they took a risk, they were like all right odds are that's not right and they trusted their gut. I'm not saying they're right or they're wrong, but this is where we can't really judge them unless we're in their shoes. They made a gut call and guess what? They were right.
Speaker 1:So how do you get mad at that? It's really how it comes down to you trust your gut while you're on the scene during that moment. Now let's say that that was an innocent dude. They're also fucked. So I'm with you, mama G. If they was wrong, then they deserve to be punished as though they were wrong. But they trusted their gut, took what they had, based on limited information and the oh shit. That is why qualified immunity is a thing. This is a prime example of why qualified immunity is a thing, because imagine being that guy because if those cops didn't fire and that guy shot them with an AK, you guys would be pissed because those cops didn't act. This is why we have these discussions, guys. I'm hoping to have these types of epiphany moments.
Speaker 6:Let's see how they take them into custody.
Speaker 7:Yeah, hey, don't move.
Speaker 8:We're going to move up right. Hey, move on this side. I'm glad they got up there quick. Where's the?
Speaker 1:gun. See, this is what irritates me. There's no need to cuff him. Find the wound, make sure he doesn't have any guns on him. Pat him down. Feel the situation out, guys. Pat him down. Make sure there's no other threats. Yes, but the dude shot up. He's telling he's not doing. You can read, I can read this. Can you not read this banning? Is it just me?
Speaker 1:no, it's not just you I can read, like I feel like I can read this like I I don't know, like this, one of the things that pissed me off. You can read this this guy fucking fix him. Fix him. That's that's what your job is now like putting him in cuffs, like damn, like I don't know.
Speaker 6:We stopped the bleed on everybody, that's all. It doesn't matter how it started, where it finished.
Speaker 1:Now it's time to stop, and that's where we're at right, yeah, sigma, yeah, sigma Lord said QI is justifiable for this, not for other instances, agreed. There are some instances where I'm like why? And that's why we got to hold our courts accountable, why we got to hold our corrections accountable. You've got a lot and I put a video out recently. You know what I'm going to show that video. I'm going to show that video. I know what that video is. I'm going to show that video. I'm going to show that video.
Speaker 6:I know what that video is. I'm going to step away for one second.
Speaker 1:Okay, you're good, let me see Where'd it go. Was it this one? Give me one second. Nope, that's not the one I'm looking for. Give me one second. I am looking for this video.
Speaker 1:I put a video out today or the day before. I can't find it. But anyway, my point is there's times where qualified immunity is that's why it's there and then the other times when it's not, and then people get mad. It's not the police you're mad at, it's the courts. Why are they allowing the qualified immunity to be there, versus not Hold them accountable? Where is the review board? Where's the citizen review board for the courts? Where's the citizen review board for your prosecution? Where's the citizen review board for your judges? Have them there for that. You guys have held police accountable. You guys are doing great. We are walking on eggshells, y'all, I promise you. But you know where we keep fucking up is on prosecution. That's my point. Why the hell are some people not? Why are they getting qualified immunity? Where are we failing? It's not at the police level. It's higher than that. Follow through on that.
Speaker 1:I just put a video out of corrections office. That's the video I was looking for. I found it. I'm going to pause it and I'm going to share it. Share this instead. So I'm going to play this.
Speaker 9:I can't go back. So you never had a problem. Why are you going?
Speaker 1:to spit on us. Sarge has come right. Give me one second, I'm going to reload it. Tough prisoner go back, so you never had a problem.
Speaker 9:Give me one second, reload it. Top prisoner whitehead. What are you doing, man? What did I do? I ain't never had a problem.
Speaker 10:I ain't gonna spit on us sergeants, come around. You know how this Is. That's all you do. All I need, bro, you know, I don't give y'all problems like that bro. I do not give you problems like that, Schwartz bro. I don't.
Speaker 9:All I do is take the strings down, dude. Put that dude in prison.
Speaker 10:I'll take him down next time, bro. Y'all ain't hear. No problem with that, bro, I swear to. God bro, you know, second shift, bro, you know, I try my whole life.
Speaker 9:I give y'all double traces every day and everything you need medical. You want decon out of your ass.
Speaker 1:The point of what we do here is to tell me that that dude qualifies for immunity. Fuck that fucking road, raging asshole, banning your muted bud.
Speaker 6:you'd lose all the momentum there I work for a very large tech company. I'm not very tech savvy, so I follow you know. Here's the deal with that um and this is banning his opinion. I can give a shit less what anybody thinks. Uh, once they get into prison, where they're going to go after this is aired and a jury of their peers puts them away, um, I give them less than 24 months that last in prison where they either end it themselves or somebody else does it.
Speaker 6:And I don't wish death on anybody, but somebody that's going to do this to somebody that's freaking handcuffed and I don't care what that dude's charges are that are sitting there, laying there, nobody in their right minds. He's in jail, county jail, prison, wherever they're at right now, and this dude does that. It's on like Donkey Kong man. I'm sorry, if I'm the sergeant rolling up on scene and I see this, I'm probably losing my stripes, my badge and everything else because it's going to come unglued pretty freaking fast. Yeah, I don't care, because we took an oath to protect people. I can give you less what the deal is. It's it's the situation, so we go in there and if you gotta freaking tear somebody up it's got a uniform on I don't give a fine you know what.
Speaker 1:Sorry, again, soapbox with this, but people like this make a lot of people in this audience right now think that all cops are like this and corrections and everything else, and it's a very small percentage, very small percentage, and I wish we could abolish them all, and that's one another reason why we created this anyway, yep, and and my hope is my hope watching that, because I will tell you my impression there was no surprise when that guy did what he did by anybody else in that fucking room, which pisses me off because, like I've said before, like we talked about and this is why Tim Owen's comment is so perfectly fucking time is the moment I seen you act the way that boiling water dude did when he's like.
Speaker 1:I'll fucking shoot you in your fucking head. You fucking do that to me, fuck. Like. My initial reaction was like bro, I would have been in it so quick. Like get the fuck out. I got this. And then afterwards I'm like why the you know? That's when I would have jumped into shit. Like why the fuck are you talking to people like this? That officer had all the ample time that he could have needed to intervene on that, versus on this one. This dude just punched a handcuffed prisoner and nobody reacted. Nobody was like jesus christ or like or whoever he was. That's the culture there. That isn't. That's normal to them. Everybody there. That was normal because otherwise why would you have had your body cam on like that's just, that's just the norm. Like which is fucking insane to me.
Speaker 6:That is insane to me everybody in that room that failed to stop.
Speaker 1:That is just as guilty as the person throwing 100, not, and I'm not saying you should have prevented it, but the minute he started, like even start, like you should have tried to intervene, or like even if you're in the shock of it, like holy shit, like get out, Like do something, Do something. You did nothing, you did that to, I don't care, Listen. And people are like well, what if he's a pedophile or if he's a murderer, I don't care, murderer, I don't care. Listen, I don't care. No person deserves to be punched while handcuffed, Just the way. I feel Like I kind of look at it. I would think how doctors take their what is it? Hippocratic Oath? Is that what they call it?
Speaker 6:Yeah, Hippocratic Oath.
Speaker 1:They're going to save everybody, no matter what. They're going to save everybody, so my job is to get you in cuffs Once you're there. Now you're under my protection. I can't let you get hurt while you're in cuffs.
Speaker 6:And we're all here for the same thing. But for somebody to make a comment down here that 95% of cops are criminals, it's proven, Get out of here.
Speaker 6:Just Josephine. Wherever you're getting that from, please check your sources. That is not a fact. I'm going to tell you right now. It's less than 1% across the United States and around the globe that are doing bullshit like this, and the other percentage are like Eric and I and we want to stop their heads in and put them in prison and we're trying to get them out of the profession as fast as we can, but we have limited powers on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, josephine if I'm going to be honest, you're wearing out your welcome pretty quick. We normally don't pay this much attention to somebody that keeps spewing bullshit, and you're spewing bullshit. So if you're going to do that, I'm going to call you out, just no different than anybody else would call me out when I said something stupid. So there's 350 million approximate calls for service each year. Now, if you want to start calling out numbers, I'm going to call out numbers 350 million calls for service, approximate each year for police. Out of that, 0.0006 end up being a use of force, ora complaint. Even less of that end up being sustained. So if 80 to 85% are wearing body cams out of 350 million calls for service, I'm pretty sure there would be overwhelming evidence that backed up your claim. But the complaints the sustained uses of force or complaints they don't back that up. That's bullshit. So is what it is. Let's keep going here We've got.
Speaker 1:Do we have another video? Yeah, we do have one more video left. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Let me share this one Share screen and biggie size. Oop, I right-clicked, my bad. Pause.
Speaker 1:On January 24, 2025 at approximately 1040 PM, the APD ACE unit requested GSP and the APD Air Unit's assistance in locating a stolen vehicle in the area of Peachtree Street and Pine Street 5056,.
Speaker 7:GSP is going to be in pursuit of that vehicle. He's by himself.
Speaker 10:Okay, move on, he's got a dog. He's got a dog.
Speaker 1:Push forward on stage.
Speaker 9:I'm curious if GSP means Georgia State Police they don't play, just turned off the area and I think GSP's got it Go get him, get him, get him, get him, get him.
Speaker 4:Or just say police would already have committed him. All right 5056,.
Speaker 7:Gsp's going to be in pursuit of that vehicle.
Speaker 5:He's by himself.
Speaker 1:Hey, be advised, he's boxed out. Okay, from here we're going full. Um, sorry, I didn't mean to click that comment. Uh, I'll get to it in a second. From here we're going full felony stop. Yep, car stops, felony stop. What that means is we're going to get out guns drawn and then we're going to start loud hailing. Driver, you know, turn the vehicle. You know, put the vehicle in park, put your hands out the window. We're gonna. We're going to get out guns drawn and then we're going to start loud hailing. Driver, you know, turn the vehicle. You know, put the vehicle in park, put your hands out the window. We're going to command them out versus going up to the car. So, with that said, I'm going to the comments here.
Speaker 1:I, the Knight, said or the video where the lady cop was trying to pull a male counterpart who was wailing on a guy in the back of the car that was cuffed and then he turned on her. I think many are familiar with that video. And then tim owens said josephine, he may have told you everything that was happening in new york at the time, but he couldn't tell you everything because he doesn't know everything now. Come on now, let's keep it fair. I, the Knight said New York has a metric-ass ton of cops.
Speaker 1:If you think your dad knew everything that was going on, I'm going to call BS, perhaps in this specific precinct but not across the city yet, for those wondering. I think NYPD is up to like 42,000 or 48,000 cops. That's bigger than a lot of people's cities. And then Harrison Brock said I think it's higher than that 1%, but less than 10% just from what I've seen in Kentucky. So okay, let's keep going here. He's got a dog. Does he keep saying he's got a dog? Mm-hmm, is he talking about the bad guy or is he talking about?
Speaker 6:I don't know if that's a canine officer. It looked like a slug-top. The GSB is A lot of their guys with the canines out there that are. Georgia State Patrol will have a slug-top to have a dog in it. Maybe that's, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I've never seen this video, but yeah, okay, I was curious about that. Okay, that's definitely a canine I'm pushing towards speed stream. Excuse me, I got a call for you, bro. Okay, so the reason it's so important to keep telling officers that there's a dog on the ground is because that dog will bite another cop and it looks like he's on a lead work.
Speaker 1:For those that's a leash, it looks like he's on a lead right now, though and for those who don't know, can canning, banning was a can I try to say banning a canine at the same time, banning was a canine officer. So if anybody knows, it's this motherfucker.
Speaker 7:So I got eyes on the canine. I'm looking for a buddy here oh, he's running.
Speaker 1:Alright, I got him.
Speaker 7:I got him.
Speaker 1:We're running northbound 37 Standish Avenue running northbound oh, that's going to be hard to keep track of.
Speaker 7:I got three individuals running northbound on Standish. Ave Next cross it's going to be off of Peachtree, peachtree and Standish, currently running through a parking lot.
Speaker 5:A-firm pushing towards Peachtree. A-firm pushing towards Peachtree.
Speaker 1:They would have been good if they would have kept running their own directions.
Speaker 6:My question is is why? And I and I love air units, I love that sport, but I've never heard an air unit get as worked up as this guy is. Am I? Am I wrong and thinking for that?
Speaker 1:yeah, he does sound, you're right, I didn't even pay attention. He does sound, you're right, I didn't even pay attention to that. He does sound a little.
Speaker 6:So, to put it in perspective, he's in an air unit. There's at least two on there. Usually you have your main pilot and then you have your peace officer. That's in there, that's running the infrared and the FLIR, which is forward-looking infrared, that's the camera we're looking through and he's the one that's doing communications with units on the ground and dispatch and he is in his mind and he may be new, so he's probably doing it better than I would, but he's getting so amped up trying to get that information down there.
Speaker 6:And what people don't understand is when you're giving amped-up information to ground troops I'm going to call them that because it's patrol officers on the ground that adrenaline that's coming through the radio is also getting the adrenaline up of the officers and they already have their own from what they're seeing. I'm not criticizing, but I just wanted to bring that up. He's very amped up for being two to 300 feet off the ground, nowhere in harm's harm site, and I think he needs to work on some, some triangle breathing or some, just to help him on the next call, right so I will say we are chasing after a stolen vehicle and stolen vehicle suspects, so it's a property crime.
Speaker 1:So, end of the day, like, yeah, play it safe, do everything you can, but it's a property crime. So keep that in mind. I don't know what's going to happen. That's why I'm trying to for me, if I'm the sergeant, I am going to make sure my officers are on the ground. No, like, hey, it's a property crime. Relax.
Speaker 7:Like, let's not get too juiced up push bond on stand is pushing towards pete street. Get up to pete street.
Speaker 1:That's the job of the supervisor. Keep your guys off, so you're the vehicle here.
Speaker 9:Get the fuck out Get on the ground. Get the guy in the car.
Speaker 1:Good for this kid. He's like I ain't fucking around, I ain't running, I ain't doing shit and good on this officer for still checking the vehicle, because a lot of times we see the rabbits run and we ignore it and that kid's probably going to go home tonight and get to sleep in his comfy bed. Yep, you're right, Because at the end of the day, I can steal his car and my boys can pick me up, and that's what I did.
Speaker 6:Smartest idea. I got some retards and they did some stupid shit and I got caught in the middle of it. I'm going to listen to everything. You say Yep, and praise to him for that.
Speaker 1:Yep good on him Now, which was probably a dumb move, but, uh, get the out of your stomach right now, beautiful I like.
Speaker 7:It okay with the swearing. Whatever you got to do, take him into custody shut the up.
Speaker 1:All right, I got him. I got him. We're running north back. Relax, listen, that's a write-up. Sorry, that's a write-up. Now's a write up. If I'm your boss, I'm going to laugh at you. I'm going to say you're an idiot. We're going to have a laugh over it.
Speaker 6:We're going to be signing. We're going to be signing a document later on.
Speaker 1:This is going to go in your jacket, dude, like you can't talk to people like that. I understand. Don't trust me.
Speaker 6:I understand you got to watch how hard we're slapping those cuffs on too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that's another thing that frustrates me is I feel like my department has the best cuffing technique. I've seen a lot of them, and so when I see other people's cuffing techniques, I'm like that's shit, yeah, so.
Speaker 7:Down 37 Spanish Avenue techniques. I'm like that's shit, Adam Downs.
Speaker 1:Listen, it's not professional, but Alright, alright, Whatever.
Speaker 7:Currently runs through a parking lot.
Speaker 1:Let's be honest. He knows he was in his own car. He played it the smart way though.
Speaker 7:There are many stores these days.
Speaker 2:It's the role of P Street Parking. I got several out, so I can only stay with one here.
Speaker 7:He played it the smart way.
Speaker 1:Now you want to know if he's truly innocent. Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 7:Wearing gloves, just giving you a ride Like this is my first day.
Speaker 4:Oh, did he just pull out rubber?
Speaker 7:gloves.
Speaker 1:He did just pull out rubber gloves, didn't he?
Speaker 7:Shut the fuck up. Wearing gloves just gives me a ride Like this. Is my first day.
Speaker 1:Listen, that is an indicator of somebody that's out committing crimes y'all.
Speaker 6:He could be a doctor and he was doing house calls and got caught up in the middle of stuff.
Speaker 1:Very true, my man had rubber gloves in his pocket. Now, good for him, I will say he did do it smart. He stayed in the middle of stuff. Very true, my man had rubber gloves in his pocket. Now, good for him, I will say he did do it smart. He stayed in the car and, just like you said, benny, doesn't matter what we find on him, this guy, hey bro, tell us who your boys were. You're going to be good to go, because really the only one I care about is the one that was behind the driver's seat.
Speaker 6:Yep, I mean he may be put into a report and detectives are going to look at it later. Totality of the circumstances. Maybe some surveillance comes out. This guy may be the one that mainly stole a vehicle and that may come out. But from the way he acts on, this scene is going to dictate how he's going to be treated for the rest of the night. He may go home for the night.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 6:It all depends on the totality.
Speaker 1:I just want to put this out there. We're currently showing 309 people on Restream, that's so many.
Speaker 1:I know it doesn't sound like a lot to anybody listening, but the numbers don't translate to what we're truly having on, so we're normally sitting around 120 to 200. So we're actually gaining people, and we've been going for four and a half hours. Maybe you don't need to launch this on YouTube anymore. Holy shit, I know, and my YouTube channel was taken down for the week, so that's insane. So we're going to fuck it. I'm just going to keep going. Let's keep going with this video, though.
Speaker 7:I have a transmitting. Right now it might be inoperable. Got one laying down. I got one in custody on Standish.
Speaker 8:All right, one of these guys he just jumped. All right, two of them jumping a wall running back westbound towards Standish Avenue.
Speaker 1:Where's the third guy? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 7:One's going to be wearing a black hooded sweatshirt.
Speaker 5:Oh, he's going to hide in the dumpster.
Speaker 6:I got one of them Jumping in the dumpster here 1720. Peachtree.
Speaker 1:Street Northwest. That's hilarious. So If I'm in this situation, I'm not going to the dumpster, I'm going to set up a perimeter and I'm going to loud hail them out, like that's me, yep.
Speaker 6:And we. If you have to bring a dog for an extraction on that, you have to.
Speaker 1:Right yeah.
Speaker 6:You know, it's tools of the trade and it's a less lethal option.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not going up there. Okay, now I'm coming up, though. We're coming in part one now, okay. Okay, they're backing off, hey out.
Speaker 9:Out, get out, get out On the ground. Hurry the fuck up On the ground. Get on the ground On the ground. Hurry the fuck up On the ground On the ground. Hey, second one come out.
Speaker 1:This is actually pretty funny.
Speaker 9:Second one, come out. Second guy, come on out. It's over. Come on out with your hands up, let him know.
Speaker 1:Helicopter saw you going there. That's why we're here. There you go. Okay, so he's doing what we call arcing his taser. You heard that he's arcing it to let him know. Like hey, we mean business.
Speaker 8:Hey, have him come back to us. I don't know if it's anybody else. Crawl back to my voice. Crawl, crawl back. Don't look at me, crawl back, both of y'all okay, I ain't mad at that.
Speaker 9:I know you can't crawl back. Keep crawling, hurry up. Yeah, keep crawling, keep crawling, keep crawling.
Speaker 5:If you guys are gonna hold it. I can see how fast you're gonna slide it. I just had one knee contract man.
Speaker 10:I was trying to do a cover ball over there too, man, I got it, okay, you got it. You got it, adam, go ahead, I got it. I mean, I got it Lethal.
Speaker 5:Put your hands on the back. 54, we got two detained OC sprayed. What's up, man? Oh, they sprayed it. That's genius.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't even think about that. I would have just backed up and loud hailed. But yeah, spraying in there A little quick burst, I'm curious why the troopers are still there.
Speaker 6:There's nobody to pit. No crash report.
Speaker 1:Nobody's gotten bit, nobody got hurt.
Speaker 5:I like that OC.
Speaker 7:It's spicy, isn't it? It hurt I don't see his bison.
Speaker 1:Look at all the guns. They got Duty. Oh, they found an officer's off-duty belt, or his duty belt, no shit.
Speaker 6:I'm going to tell you, man, in over 20 years that I've done this. I don't know how many reports I've received coming through T-LITS, which is a messaging system for those that don't know that Officer Schmuckatelli, at whatever agency, left his entire duty rig and his personal vehicle parked at a mall in a different city and the windows were smashed and somebody took his shit and his credentials and ID and it's like dadgummit man. I have never left my duty belt in a private vehicle parked in a public lot. I don't know if it's common sense or what man.
Speaker 6:I mean I know cops make mistakes. They got families and they got to go. They're on call and this and that Get a better freaking system. Don't leave that shit in the personal car.
Speaker 1:I have okay. So I have a weird window or a weird perspective, I should say. I grew up with a dad who was a cop. My dad retired as a police officer and I had a lot of servicemen and women in my family, whether it was firefighters, military or cops. So for me, yeah, it was a little more common sense. But I've got friends that I actually have a really good friend from my department who's a co-sergeant with me we've kind of promoted all at the same time all the way up and he became a cop on a whim.
Speaker 1:His roommate became a cop like wanted to go take the civil service test so he went with him just to go do it with him and ended up getting a really good score on the civil service test and became a cop before his buddy, who did end up becoming a cop later. But, um, and so my buddy went and he had his shit taken out of his car and the only thing that I can really attribute that to is like he just kind of was clueless, like, yeah, you went through police Academy training, but that doesn't, you don't really know the real world just because you went through academy training. Does that make sense? You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 6:Academy, you know academy training is going to give you the bare minimum, and that bare minimum I don't believe is enough. No, but it goes up against deaf ears.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think academy training should be a year long.
Speaker 6:I bring guys to my training facility that has 10, 15 years of experience of awesome arrests and great things and I get to expose them to things that could happen and nine times out of 10, the things that I'm putting them through in my training facility they've never experienced in my training facility they've never experienced. And they go back to that baffled six-hour officer that's still in training, even though they have all that experience based on the dynamic things going on around them.
Speaker 6:And I think this happened to every frigging peace officer out there, just to get more prepared on what's going on. But I'm going to sit here, I'm looking at our big fat faces on this and, brother, I need to get a better camera, jesus, yeah, your camera's my. I look like I've got a uh, a motorball razor from 2003 and I'm trying to project on the screen, so I apologize. I mean it's probably better if you don't see all my imperfections. I might keep it for a while, but uh, you're good, bro, you're good.
Speaker 1:No worries um, but no, I we've got bro. We've got so many people still logged on, so another video on me, and well, I don't have any more.
Speaker 6:No, man, what about the one I sent you, though, that somebody wanted me to? You know, we already watched it we already did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we just didn't watch that. That page it was the. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, we already did that one. I never saw it so I wasn't sure if we went through it or not. Yeah, so, um, let me okay you guys know I don't do this often, I'm not that guy but let me do one shameless plug, because what we do costs money. So let me get it out of the way real quick. Um, I will share this screen.
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Speaker 6:When you say we put this towards the show, I mean there's so much cost that goes into it and Eric could speak and itemize it because he's been banning it out of his own freaking account and I'm sure it's been a husband-wife discussion for months because of how amazing you are. I can only pony up so much as well from what I'm doing. It's literally the microphone Eric's talking into I don't know how many hundreds of dollars that is, the LED lights that look like Star Wars behind them. This is all coming out of Eric's talking into I don't know how many hundreds of dollars that end. The LED lights that looks like Star Wars behind them. This is all coming out of Eric's pocket, the sound deadening in his studio.
Speaker 6:If you guys understood our business plan of where we're taking this to bring in heroes to actually talk and do podcasts, interviews and stuff like that. We're bringing law enforcement to you, regardless if you want it or not. You can partake, you can watch, you can, you can add your comments on there, but we're trying to bring as much as we can for you and we're also bringing these officers, um, that are, you know, that are getting inducted in the in the national law enforcement officer hall of fame in the future and the ones that are going to be inducted in the, in the in the future and beyond that. We're going to keep bringing them in and these are officers that truly go above and beyond.
Speaker 1:I like this comment. People need to buy stuff, so Bannon can get a new camera. Yeah, you ain't wrong.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it is, and I travel a lot, guys, and this is a little laptop that I have and I apologize for the bad, but at least you can kind of see what I look like. I'm just a big glob of nastiness. But really, guys, what we're doing here, I mean it's for y'all. Yeah, I mean, there's no point of Eric and I staying up this late unless we love bringing our experience to y'all, and we're all watching this for the first time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sigmund Lord said. I ask you kindly to take in consideration that I would support. Ask you kindly to take in consideration that I would support if not for my current legal situation. It's a lot, especially with a family.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we'd love to.
Speaker 1:I'd love to know more love to know more about what's going on. I obviously saw throughout the comments that you've got something going down, so I would love to know a little bit more, if you care to share. You don't have to publicly share that you can share that with Eric and Brad. Yeah, just DM that I don't want you to put your own blast.
Speaker 6:That's no. You wouldn't believe the stories that we get to come across on here and um, sometimes when we've been able to help people with stuff and get in front of the right people, so yeah, yeah, we're like right now we don't have any more videos to show, but I want to answer.
Speaker 1:I want to be able to have real discussions and do this is the fun part, like for me. What what's been frustrating to a lot of people is they really like doing the body cam video reviews, so they like to watch the video parts and they want to talk about it. But overwhelmingly there's been a lot of people they just like the discussion part. They want to ask their questions, say their piece and get it out there and vent. Some people just want to vent. You know, like the Priscilla lady earlier I think that's one of the. I think she wants to vent and I'm okay with that. Like I said, we don't just kick people, guys. I'm not in the business of censorship. That's not what we want. So I'm going to let you continue to keep saying what you guys want to say. I'm not going to block it. I may not acknowledge it. Don't get pissed off because I don't acknowledge it. Other people see it, other people see it.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you know when you were on that bullshit, because sometimes I'm on my own bullshit and you call me out, so it is what it is. So I think we're pretty fair across the board on that. Sigma said I just started posting Hard have to relive the events each time. Yeah, that's post-traumatic stress, bro. That is like we talked about that earlier, like just talking about the stuff that you have to go through For me, which is really weird for me and Bannon. We've talked about this on the show before. For me. I never thought I was a victim of post-traumatic stress.
Speaker 1:Domestic violence calls for some reason stick inside my brain calls some, for some reason stick inside my brain and I didn't know that until I had some domestic violence survivors on my show for interviews and then it all came out like I fucking went through it didn't know, and it just hit me. And then that's when post-traumatic stress really kind of opened my eyes, because I never thought that I had post-traumatic stress about anything and, if I'm going to be honest, the post-traumatic stress I have, it isn't even for myself, it's for the people that got hurt, which I don't understand. Do you get that, benny? I don't get it.
Speaker 6:Why does that bother me? No, I mean, it wasn't me, I wasn't the victim.
Speaker 6:And my thing, eric, is going to those domestic violence calls and for those of you who don't know, that's a very high or bad call, that law enforcement goes to all over the world, not just America. When we have these things that spruce off in our house between husband and wife or husband and whatever, it gets violent for whatever reason. I've never personally gone through it, but I've gone to dozens and dozens and dozens of these bad calls and a lot of them have ended up in death or aggravated assaults or worse, with the children that are born between them. But also another one for me is wrong way drivers with DWIs that hit a vehicle and it's a family, maybe coming from wherever, and they're escaping something that's bad and they're having to leave in the middle of the night and they're met with a DWI that's driving down the wrong side of the road, head on, where the speed limit is 75 wrong way driver, maybe you can go more than 75, and when you hit that metal on metal, and then we're the first responder on scene. And I'm a human being, nobody can teach you how to properly digest what you're about to see in this, this carnage of all this metal. And then when you get to a back seat and I'm not even going to go into the details because I don't want to give somebody else in the comments the stuff that we go through we make all these big bucks on and what Banning made on every two weeks when everything came out of my check was less than 500 bucks every two weeks.
Speaker 6:So you know, and I was the topped out highest paid uniformed officer in my department and I was making literally less than a thousand dollars a month once taxes and and insurance and everything else came out of my check. Um, but I still love it and I did it and I had other side sources of income, training officers to make it to where my family could still eat and do everything. And it's not a pity show for Banning. This is a choice that banning did. But if you, if I sit there and if I could have a movie player up here of everything that Banning saw, of what I saw on every call, there's not a lot of people out there that can handle that. And I'm not saying I'm I handled everything. I'm not also not afraid to say that I have that. I have gone and spoke to people about it, because if you don't do that you become crazy. I married a 911 dispatcher go figure stereotype right, however she. I married a 911 dispatcher Go figure Stereotype right, however she has heard people in their lives on the phone.
Speaker 6:She has heard the violence, and only that mind can sit there and develop that picture. So we could bounce off of each other every day when we came home from shift to get by to that next day. And I'm not going to sit here and go biblical, but I believe we're called in the positions that we do in life and I did it for 21 years. I ran for sheriff, lost for a little bit less than 200 votes and I decided to enter the private industry and still serve law enforcement under a company called Mark 43. And we do what's called computer-aided dispatch, that's 911 calls coming in for the dispatcher and RMS, which is report management system, going after the officers in the field. And I love what I do. I get to fly all over the country, meet amazing officers, meet amazing brass and command staff from everywhere, and everybody's trying to get a better system to where we can articulate to the public what's truly going on in the cities.
Speaker 6:But it's really for a different breed that are coming out here to take that oath and, uh, it sucks for the message. Personal message, uh, that, uh, you know we take this out to go out here. We're not. There's nothing that can prepare you. I did four years in the marines. I don't have any weird war stories. I get out um honorable discharge two weeks before the towers got hit. So I lost a lot of friends in the war after 9-11 yeah you know again, this is this.
Speaker 6:It's for a very small percentage of people to handle with law enforcement, not just law. It's any first responder out there and that goes to the er staff people in the hospitals. It's it's any first responder out there and that goes to the ER staff people in the hospitals. We're very blessed in the United States to have these people willing to either volunteer, because there's a lot of volunteers out there, and then the full-time paid people from the doctors, nurses, techs, fire departments, ems. I mean there's such a system here that truly tries to keep everybody safe, and that's all we're trying to project here is you may hate america, you may do it, but we truly live in a really good country.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you see, if if you see how other law enforcement are across the across the globe. But I wanna, I, we've, I'm, we'll close it up here in 10 minutes, because at the 10-minute mark we will be at five hours.
Speaker 6:It's our longest show man.
Speaker 1:It's our longest show ever. So I want to say listen, we know there's problems in law enforcement Ego. That's one we're addressing, that we're going to put out a series for ego and how to fix it with law enforcement. People can take it for what they want or not, but if you guys see videos out there where there's obviously a problem with the ego at that department, rather than just bitch about it, I want you to offer them the solution. Guess what the solution is going to be? On the two cops, one donut YouTube page free. They've got no excuse. Here is a class that is put on and we're not going to tell you the department, but you can say it's put on by one of the 12 largest departments in the nation that also share the same class and it's free. Go to it issue.
Speaker 1:So we're going to discuss police training. Um, what else are we going to talk about? Um, knowing your court cases, your, your? Um? I'm blanking the whiskey's hitting me. Uh, we talked about it earlier. You're not constitutional law. What the hell is it called? Knowing your court cases?
Speaker 6:there's, this is a staying, I know staying up on your court cases like knowing the current court, case law, case law, case law.
Speaker 1:Jesus christ, I couldn't fucking think of it. Um, knowing your case, like the numbers keep jumping up, by the way, this is gonna make it really hard for me to get off of this fucking platform. The when the numbers keep going up, it's really hard for me to get off of this fucking platform. When the numbers keep going up, it's really hard for me to jump off y'all. This is why we're going five hours. We've never gone four hours as long as we've ever gone.
Speaker 6:My wife would laugh at you if I ever said I went for five hours Right.
Speaker 1:Andy Fletcher is like Jesus Christ case law, say it, everybody, case law, say it. So everybody. Case law, case law, case law, idiot. Read, sorry guys, all caps. You're right. So case law, ego, what else? What else is another major problem in law enforcement that we're seeing that we keep addressing? I feel like there's these things that we keep talking about. So anyway, we're aware we're going to keep hammering down on it. The reason we do it me banning everybody on Two Cops, one Donut, matt Thornton especially. I think a lot of the people that are on tonight are from Matt's page.
Speaker 1:The reason we keep hammering on this stuff is because it doesn't make a difference if you as a civilian, says it to another cop, which is bullshit, but that's just reality. But when I say it as a cop who's in the streets still currently as a midnight supervisor in a city of over a million plus people, that holds credibility. Banning as a person who was in law enforcement for as long he just got out. He was a cop when we started this. So when he says it like it holds more weight with other cops. So when we say it, if you get mad at what we're saying as a cop, maybe you're part of the problem. So that is why we keep doing what we're doing. That is one of the reasons we're pushing out, because we are the influence over our own career field. Are people talking shit? You keep giggling.
Speaker 6:I'm reading the comments, man. Mama G just said banning TMI. Some things should be kept quiet. It's a joke and I'm going to tell you right now. My wife would laugh. She'll watch this tomorrow and she'll laugh. Somebody else wrote in here. That's what she said. We have the button in our kitchen. If I make a comment and I leave it to my wife, I hit it on the fridge that If I make a comment and I leave it to my wife ahead on
Speaker 6:the fridge that's what she said. It's humor. It's just humor to get through the bad days out there, and we love humor.
Speaker 1:So, y'all, just for what you need to know, on the horizon we are going to create the Donut Network. What does that mean? Matt is going to have his own show. So for all my Matt Thornton people out there, I'm trying to get Matt his own show. He's old, listen. These are things that he's wanted to do. He just didn't know how to do it until he met me. So I am trying to make that happen for him because I am such a believer in Matt. So I told Matt you just tell me the idea, buddy. Once we get the idea written out, I'm going to make it happen. So you've got your own show. So we're going to get Matt his own show.
Speaker 1:We're going to keep doing the Two Cops, one Donut stuff, me and Banning. We've got some ideas for some shows that we want to do. We've got Trey and Kat going to do street interviews from their necks of the woods, so to speak, california and New York, where we have ideas for shows for them. So we're all going to be pushing out this stuff on the new Donut Network I guess that's the unofficial name. That's kind of what we're talking, with Sprinkles, with Sprinkles, yes, and with that. Y'all, please, it's free. I'm not asking for your money. If you can buy one of those patches and coins and stuff to give you something to hold and look and say this is my precious or whatever, that's awesome. But if you don't have money, all I ask is that you go and you like, subscribe, follow on all of the stuff that we're doing. It's free, it takes zero money and maybe 30 seconds of your day. That in itself helps us keep doing what we're doing.
Speaker 1:So, please, brock, eric, you are not much younger than Matt. Listen, I am 42 here in Jesus. Man, come on. Yes, how do you like that Banning? I just turned 46, back on January 20th, you, old bitch. February 12th. So in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, in a week, I am 42.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, we're going to do a live. Oh yeah, no, it's on a Wednesday. No, we're not doing a live. I forgot. We went five hours and now it's past midnight. So, no, we're not doing a live on my birthday. Maybe I'll take the day off and we'll do a live, just for shit, dude, the numbers are still going up. We're at 316 now. You fuckers you're making it so hard to get off and the numbers keep going up. What am I supposed to do? Oh shit, andy F. Oh shit, because you're andy. Fletcher said your babies, andy, how old are you? That's a lit oh shit slav. What does that mean, sigma? Are you from ukraine? Is that what I'm reading? That's crazy. We have you'd be the first ukrainian that we've had on the show. We've had some australians. We've had greenland and iceland. That was also very you know what.
Speaker 6:Let's let's eric, let's end this on it, and I can't even send it to you on youtube. Yeah, I want you to look up chick-fil-a, where the guy doesn't say my pleasure, it's a short reel Because we were talking about Chick-fil-A earlier. Guys and we've got to have comedy in life, right, and the guys that produce this. Obviously it's all fake and done up for comedy. I love Chick-fil-A, I love that place. They're amazing. But he's got to play that reel because this thing I think Jamie sends it to me about twice a week. If I'm having a bad day, she'll send me that reel. Man, it makes me smile.
Speaker 1:I got it yes that's it.
Speaker 6:That's it. Make it biggie size. Let's watch this thing.
Speaker 1:I don't know that I can make it biggie size. I think that's the best I can do. Okay, everybody listen. Okay, but everybody listen, we got the two chicken nuggets, and then the number one, that's going to be $22.50 at the first window.
Speaker 6:Okay, thank you?
Speaker 7:Yeah, no problem, my pleasure.
Speaker 9:My pleasure. I said my pleasure, right? Fuck, dude, you got to let me in Fuck dude. I said my pleasure, you can answer him. I said it, I said it, I said it, I said it, I said it, I said it. I said it, just wait.
Speaker 4:There's two chicken nuggets and a number one. That's going to be $20.55 if you just pull around to the front window.
Speaker 1:They popped him.
Speaker 4:What happened to the other guy, so there was no other guy. But if you just pull up, your food will be ready, okay.
Speaker 1:There was no other guy. Oh shit, why is?
Speaker 6:this funny and I'm not talking about the pop in the car but why is this funny? Because they have such a good training regimen in every single Chick-fil-A around the United States. Every other fast food is trying to catch up to the niceness, everything that they're doing. I don't know if you guys are having a bad day on a Saturday and you pull into Chick-fil-A and you go, you're just met with this. It doesn't matter what kind of day you're having, man, and they just kill you with kindness and I love it. And that's what I try to do as a law enforcement officer when I'm out there and that's why I bring this up is you may be having a bad day, but you're being paid out there for those taxpayers. When you're out there wearing that uniform and you try to kill people with kindness, it doesn't matter how your day is going. And I know that's these Chick-fil-A, because I'm going to tell you right now I will go crazy if I think that there's no Chick-fil-A person across the United States that doesn't have family problems at home or whatever, so a loved one getting locked up for whatever and then when they come, they bring that 100% out there and no matter how bad of a day they're having. That's my pleasure. What do you need? How can I help you? And I wish more businesses government, privately owned, publicly traded would take this leadership that they're doing and put it out there because Chick-fil-A's got it. You can sit there and say, oh, chick-fil-a's unhealth, I there because chick-fil-a's got it, I don't. You can sit there and say, oh, chick-fil-a's unhealthy, I don't give a flying shit, it's the lord's chicken. I love it, you know and it's. But their, their model is great, man, yeah. And for other groups like this to go out there and do spinoffs, that means the chick-fil-a is busting ass out there.
Speaker 6:Man right, they do these little funny things. Chick-fil-a's badass. Yeah, you know, I get, I get pissed off. I'll go to another fast food restaurant because I got to catch a flight really quick. My wife says I want this and this and this. I'm not going to say it. You get to the window to order, over the speaker. They're like welcome to, you're going to die in 12 hours with our grease, whatever. How can I take your order? It's just like really, I'm on a diet tonight. I just want a quadruple cheeseburger, uh, et cetera, and that's all I want. And they don't. They're not counting your kindness Right. They don't want to be there. Maybe the pay, maybe it's whatever things going on in life, but Chick-fil-A dude, that's magic sauce man. If we can take that and put it into law enforcement FD dispatch. They've into law enforcement FD dispatch. They've got the secret sauce man. They've got all the tools they want.
Speaker 1:I think we've accomplished it tonight. Banning.
Speaker 6:How do?
Speaker 1:you do Josephine, who has been an outlier tonight.
Speaker 6:Yeah, at the end of the day, and I appreciate her owning that just like as we would.
Speaker 1:At the end of the day, the comments I made are not directed at you. Fair, listen, that's fair. At the end of the day, y'all, we just want fair and objective to come to the table, because that's what we're bringing to you. I think a lot of you see it once you get to know us. I don't expect you to see that right away. It does take time. You can't just trust what people say right at the beginning.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, it's awesome. That is exactly what Josephine just said. That is our goal every single time is to get somebody to be kind of against us, but then, at the end of it, be like all right, you guys aren't that bad, fair enough. So, with that said, we are past the five-hour mark. Jesus Christ, we are going to be providing this on our podcast channel soon. So if you didn't get a chance to watch it and you just want to listen to everything that we've talked about tonight, head to Two Cops, one Donut on Apple Spotify and it's going to be actually the number two cops and the number one donut. For whatever reason, they wouldn't let me do it all spelled out Like I got in everything else and I got some.
Speaker 6:I got some comments, Eric and I don't even think I shared this with Eric and this is from law enforcement across the United States. They're like hey Manning, love the lives. Like I said, there's a lot of full-time, even guys. I went to high school with the guy in the law enforcement. They watch us every week, even if I'm not on here because of what eric's doing, and I don't get to share that enough with eric.
Speaker 6:But then then some of them say when are you going to bring back the traditional podcast? Or when you bring somebody in the studio that's coming? It's our schedules, everything that's going on. It costs money, money to do things. We're going to do that. You guys are seeing a small smidgen of what's behind Eric. Eric has built a beautiful studio in there. We're going to start bringing in full on podcast where he has to edit it and he's going to cut some stuff out there. But we have to generate things to to make that happen and there's a lot of us working in the background to make that happen. And we're going to bring some very dynamic, amazing podcasts to y'all that you can watch. It may not be as exciting as these two sons of bitches sitting in front of you bringing up videos, but it's going to be really good stuff, right, yep, and it ain't just going to be cops.
Speaker 1:It ain't just going to be criminal justice. You know people that love the criminal justice system. It's going to be those that are against the criminal justice system. We're going to be bringing both sides. The whole point is to get everybody's perspective out there and bridge that gap. Everybody, thank you for tuning in Very much appreciated David Edmondson.
Speaker 1:See you there, brother. Thank you for tuning in. Everybody from Matt Thornton's channel, thank you. I understand he wasn't on here tonight. I hope we did him a little bit of justice. I understand he wasn't on here tonight. I hope we did him a little bit of justice. Just know that him and his wife needed some private time tonight and he couldn't make it. But he will be on. He is a part of Two Cops, one Donut Banning. Thank you for being here, brother. Everybody else, please like, share, subscribe, follow. Do all the things the kids say to the Two Cops One Don, youtube channel, instagram channel, facebook, whatever your preference be. But, guys, thank you. This was a great conversation and I had a lot of fun, so take it easy. Everybody, appreciate it. Guys, have a great night.
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