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2 Cops 1 Donut
Exploring Emotional Intelligence in Law Enforcement
This episode highlights the importance of emotional intelligence and social skills in policing, emphasizing how these traits can enhance community relations and improve law enforcement effectiveness. Through discussions on hiring practices, analysis of body cam footage, and audience engagement, the hosts explore the nuanced dynamics between police and community, advocating for continued dialogue and education.
• Emotional intelligence as a tool for better policing
• The role of social skills in law enforcement effectiveness
• Analysis of body cam footage and its implications for interactions
• Implicit bias and its impact on policing decisions
• The need for transparency and accountability within police departments
• The importance of public trust in effective community policing
• Calls for proactive measures to improve police-community relations
• Engaging audience participation and feedback as a learning tool
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Disclaimer Welcome to Two Cops One Donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guests' opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language Viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements. All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I am your host, eric Levine. With me today is the man behind the scenes hashtag. I stand with Alan Alan Nelson. What's up, buddy?
Speaker 2:What's up guys? How's it going this fine evening? Nice and cold here in West Texas?
Speaker 1:Nice, I'm digging. That crispy sounding mic you got going on there too, buddy, sounds wonderful, good, good, I'm about. Uh, how about you explain to people the whole um travesty that you got going on behind you? So people aren't asking questions later.
Speaker 2:So I spent the last 14 days in phoenix at helping the Scottsdale Police Department come home and my wall has fallen apart. I put a bunch of sound panels up and evidently the sticky was not sticky. So all the projects you come home to for being gone for 14 days. Bear with me, guys, I'll get it taken care of.
Speaker 1:I like it. Let's run to the chat real quick. Tim, what's up? Brothers, one of our guys over there, and actually he's on just about every platform now, but his main, I think, is TikTok Tim, what's going on? Buddy, david Edmonston, he jumped over from LinkedIn. See, I'm remembering you guys and I have a shitty memory. Ozark Moon chiming in tonight. What's up, ozark?
Speaker 1:I saw Country Girls in the house Shout out to Country Girl Mama G's in here, my mama's in here. Patrick True Love is in here. I'm giving shouts out to everybody, that is, members too right now. Mama G, patrick True Love. Steve Wallace in the house saying what's up? Steve Wallace has never missed a show y'all, so just a shout out to him. Let me see who else we got. You know who I don't see here tonight and I haven't seen him on he usually chats with me on Instagram is Mr Billfold, so he is not in the house tonight. That's okay, though.
Speaker 1:Let me go over to TNN. Taco neck syndrome is a real thing. We were talking about taco neck syndrome earlier. That's funny. So I changed cameras, camera angles and everything tonight, guys. So I'm working with two cameras tonight, so I got two different angles. I'm not going to flip back. I'm just going to leave it on this one tonight, but I was trying to see what one was better for what we got going on and honestly, I just probably gonna stick with this, this higher up angle. So not that you guys give a shit, you don't care, it doesn't make a big difference. Uh, freeman keys alan, I sit with alan. Is that what it is? I sit with alan no or was it I?
Speaker 1:stand, I stand, I think it's, and yeah, shotguns and tattoos is in the house. Uh, jerry, fly gear, fly gear. It says good, you're back. So just this is who you guys got tonight.
Speaker 1:Banning, the co-host, is busy. He had some work-related stuff going on. So I told Banning that I'd actually give him a shout-out to tell you guys that with Mark 43, the company that he works for, it's like a report management system for police software, so to speak. So Mark 43. They're not a sponsor, but I'm going to give him a shout out just because I support my buddy and what he does. Banning's really into this stuff. He's really been talking about him lately. So just giving him a shout out that he is at the sales kickoff in Dallas for 2025. That's where he's at right now.
Speaker 1:So shout out to Banning and Mark 43. I wish you guys the best of luck and I hope you're out there helping police officers. That's what we want. They need better software, better stuff, and, from what Banning's told me, mark 43 is the way to go. I don't think he would have left police work to go to them if he didn't believe that. So good job, banning. Proud of you, buddy, go out there and do your thing. My mom says good evening everyone from my couch, my mom.
Speaker 1:My mom is in my living room right now, so she will not be with us much longer. She's not dying, she's going back to Michigan. I'm going to get out of here one night. Sorry, guys, my mother is no longer with us. She is in Michigan, which is pretty much a death sentence anyway. I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why she came to Texas, why it's like snowy up there.
Speaker 1:I have been guilt tripping her every chance I can. I'm like man. My kids really, really love having you around and you're not going to be here anymore. You're just going to go back up to Michigan with my brother. He just works all the time. You're just going to be up there by yourself, you know? I mean, if that's what you're into, mom, that's cool. You don't want to be around your grandkids. My dogs are obsessed with you now.
Speaker 2:you don't want to be around your grandkids, my dogs are obsessed with you. Now, yeah, yeah that's cool, I'm gonna babysit them all day yeah, you do, you mom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's cool. So, uh, tonight, guys, um, we, I did a test run on instagram live. Um, yesterday or the day before, it went decent. Uh, there's some kinks to work out, but I'm going to try and add in some Instagram lives and it's just going to be purely for Instagram, while Alan figures out how we can incorporate the Instagram live while we're doing this. So, cause, that's 145,000 possible viewers that we're not getting to and we can't have discussions with and get some of the stuff off the ground to try to expand and follow through with some of the new ideas and stuff that we're trying to do. But I'm reading through the comments here. Shotgun and Tattoo said spent the worst years of my life in the 313. If you know, then you know Now, everybody in the 313, throw your hands in the air and bob with me. So well, eminem, I'm not a rapper, shotgun, I'm 517. That's cool, that's cool, but anyway, guys. So the point I was trying to get to, trying to do some Instagram stuff, but, uh, I want to jump to a video that kind of sparked some good conversation.
Speaker 1:I have talked a lot in in-depth with police work, so let's get into the education side of things, um, problems with police work. One of the things that we need to fix is the hiring process. One of the things that I think we don't talk about or there's no measurement for, is social skills. We've got psyche valves, mental health fitness, credit checks, people checking your friends out, checking your social media accounts All of those they're great, I think they help, but the most important one to me is your social media accounts. All of those they're great, I think they help, but the most important one to me is your social skills. How do we measure that? I don't know. I've never seen an actual measurable test. I do know there's some testing for emotional intelligence, or EQ, I think they call it.
Speaker 1:Emotional intelligence is a dumbed down version. My version a dumbed down version, the way I understand it is your ability to recognize what triggers you. You're not just triggers you, but just why you're feeling what you're feeling. So if I'm happy, I know what causes me to be happy. If I'm upset, I recognize that I'm getting upset and I recognize what caused me to be upset. When you have that self-awareness, you can mitigate it because ultimately and some people don't like this because they don't like self-accountability you are in control of what makes you mad. You are in control of what makes you happy. You are in control of what makes you sad. That is the whole point of emotional intelligence is learning that you are in control of what does these things.
Speaker 1:So now, that's not to speak for those that have a chemical imbalance happening because they have some sort of underlying medical condition. I'm not referring to that, I'm talking for most people, and cops shouldn't be out there under some sort of medical condition like that anyway. So my point being social skills. That is how we help create better cops. Now, when I tell people there's cops that have social skills issues, some people are no, they're just assholes. No, no, no, no, no. They got social skills. No, no, no, just assholes. No, no, no, no, no. They got social skills. No, no, no, they're ego. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to show you a video and I want you guys, I'm going to try to not play my cause. I did. I did a video on this and then I gave my piece on it. But I'm just going to show the video, the reaction part of what we're watching, and then I'll cut off my part of me talking and then we'll we'll discuss that this isn't really the body cam review part, so I'm going to play it all the way through. Let me see Share screen. What one is it? Give me one second. I'm trying to read through all this crap here.
Speaker 1:Oh, there it is Okay, share, we're going to minimize the chat over here on the side real quick. This is probably going to be the better one to do. All right, I can't make this. Maybe I can. I'm going to hit, play and then try to make this. Why social skills matter when it comes to policing.
Speaker 4:What can I do, sir? Got your license on you. Yes, sir, it's in my pocket. Am I ready for it? What'd you say it's in my pocket first? I'm sorry. What'd you say at first? Oh, it's in my pocket. No, no, before that you said something to him, no to me. I'd say what can I do you for? What can you do for me? Yeah, okay, sorry, I'm just just saying you got your license. Yeah, it's in my pocket. Go ahead and grab it. No weapons and all that. I got you stopped because you didn't use the turn signal. Why are you driving like that?
Speaker 5:I got a bad hearing Take your helmet off, sure.
Speaker 4:And then do you have the registration and insurance for the bike. Yep, it was hitting the wheel. It's an Aston Martin, obviously. I mean, we're trying to mend it back. That way it's a proper lead. Do you want to look for your registration? Yeah, that's right, I'll take a look at it. Do you have a mirror on your bike? Yes, I don't have it right now. Can you take it off so I can see it? Sure, what year is this? 22. Is this a Ducati or a Yamaha? This is a Yamaha.
Speaker 1:I Young hunt is nice and sincere. It stood out to me All right. With that said, I'm going to stop sharing this. I'll give you guys my take real quick, alan. Actually I'll let you go first. What's your take on that? Was that social skills, rude ego, none of the above. Did you have no problem with it at all? You tell me what you think.
Speaker 2:I think it was a little of both. I think there was some arrogance involved in uh on the officer's part, um, and he I don't think he was listening. I think he was assuming what was being said to him. Yeah, very quickly I picked up on the bike guy was just like you know how many times do bikes even pull over? First off, right, and then the like he had. You know, every time I've ever dealt with a uh, a bike guy, it goes one or two ways and he was on the opposite side of normally how I you know. Normally they just don't talk to you, they're real quiet and they're pissed off. And this guy was like he didn't want to over, like hey, can I get off the bike? I didn't have any problem with this first comment. That's just people have different ways of saying things to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So for me, first I'll lean in on the motorcycle rider. To to your point, alan, most bikes these days they don't stop, period. Um, body language, that is our bread and butter as police officers. If you're staying on the bike, that's a big indicator to me that and you're leaned back, meaning the bike's off, like these are things that you got to know and you have to read into as a cop. If I have a guy leaning forward, constantly looking back, trying to gauge where I'm at, that's a problem. That means he's about to run. It doesn't mean he's going to run, but good indicator. But I have a guy that's leaned back and is trying to talk with me isn't being rude. It may be hard to hear what he's saying, so I'll give him that. But that's what I'm looking at when I'm looking at this officer or looking at this guy on the bike. And then he's got cameras all over. So to me, when I see that, I see what you know, love it or hate it. But to me I'm like, oh, evidence to back up what I'm doing, because if they try to edit it or do it. But to me I'm like, oh, evidence to back up what I'm doing, because if they try to edit it or do anything, if something comes out of it, yep, you're going to be able to see that there's going to be markers and indicators on any footage. And if he tries to destroy it, well, guess what? He just destroyed evidence, which is a felony. So, but we're going down the rabbit hole. But right so, motorcycle guy, fine, no issues with how we, with this interaction, started out.
Speaker 1:The officer to me, so one take that I have on this is like he acts like prior military, like fresh prior military to young guy. He's a stud. I'll give him that. I'm not trying to pick him up if my wife's looking, but you know he's typical trooper. Look, I'll give him that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so okay, I let's say he did just separate from the military. This is how we talk. That is especially in the army, in the marine corps. That is like to them, that that's not being rude, that's not ego, that's just straightforward talk. So that's kind of one way I looked at it. But that's not what I'm seeing. What I'm seeing is a person that can't pick up on social cues, that has a lack of social skills and doesn't know how to turn that switch. Okay, there's a time to be serious and then there's a time to relax a little bit.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying, you know, put yourself on the X or act you know silly, or anything like that, but the way you talk dictates how the call goes. It can dictate how the call goes. So if you had a compliant guy and a nice guy the guy on the bike I think was being all of the above the way you talk could have switched that. We're trained to deescalate. So I'm not saying this cop did anything bad. I don't think he did anything technically wrong. No, no, and and that's going to piss some people off oh, you shouldn't be like that's ego. That's this, is this okay. It doesn't mean I'm right either, but I'm telling you from my training experience that I don't. I don't see him doing anything technically wrong. He didn't use his hands. He didn't do anything to this guy. He may have wrote a ticket, he may not have, whatever that is, but the way he talked could have escalated things.
Speaker 2:Well, when he was making him search in the very beginning, when he was making him search for an answer, instead of saying, well, why did you say this? Just rephrasing this is what I heard you say. I didn't like that Right Use words. Words will get you out of things instead of sitting here playing 21 questions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I can't remember what he said at the beginning. The saying he said and the guy was like what can I do you for? That's what it was. Yeah, I'm like, who hasn't heard that before? Okay, okay, so you've never heard that. But it was weird to make that a point, like for me. I would have, just if I hadn't heard that saying before, probably would have just let it go anyway. It has no bearing on the stop, okay, unless you took it as an insult, which I think maybe he did at first take that as an insult and it was.
Speaker 2:It was kind of delayed like it. You know, I felt like they were even past that in the conversation when it got brought up.
Speaker 1:So greg, uh elias, and said it's an oshp ohio state highway patrol trooper. Okay, um, he said I've worked with him for 35 years. That's how they are trained in the academy.
Speaker 2:Um, possible I mean definitely when you get the picture, when you see him really quickly. Like you said, military slash highway department, there's a certain way that in the academy they're trained to hold themselves in a certain manner and you can even see the military piece of it, like his uniform is pressed in a different way.
Speaker 1:You know troopers got to be shit hot man. That's just the persona they want. I'm okay with that. Yep, not for me. One of the reasons I wouldn't and don't want to be a trooper. I got better things to do than be a road pirate. Oh, you're going to fire him up, right? Now, there you go. I want to get to jeff h's comment off of uh, I almost said instagram um linkedin, linkedin. Thank you, I'm just looking at the little icon. It says I n and I'm like it's. What does that?
Speaker 2:mean, it messes me up every messing with my brain.
Speaker 1:But jeff says implicit bias includes the subconscious feelings, attitudes, prejudices and stereotypes an individual has developed due to prior influences and imprints throughout their lives. Individuals are unaware of the subconscious. Perceptions instead of facts and observations affect their decision making. Agreed, I think implicit bias actually affects all of us in a small way. I attribute it to spidey senses in a way. It's like when I'm working in an affluent area and all of a sudden I see a Nissan Altima drive-thru and it's got paper tags I would call that criminal profiling. But the implicit bias in me immediately draws to that car. I'm like you don't fucking belong, yep. Vice versa, when I'm working in the hood and I see you know a brand new Beamer going through and I'm like that doesn't belong here, a little out of place, a little out of place. And then the next thing I do I pull them over and it's got you know, for you know affluent or rich white kids from the college area coming over, they're trying to score, or they had scored.
Speaker 2:Where are?
Speaker 1:you headed. Yeah, they had scored and now they're on their way out. So, like I said, I would call that criminal profiling sometimes, but that initial look and attention draw is because I had a bias towards a car that doesn't fit. So, um, yeah, uh, I do think that some of the implicit bias training, especially with the 21st century policing push that came out under I'm not political, guys, but this was under the Obama administration Um, I think it went too hard in the paint and, uh, I think it's racial undertones were grossly misplaced and, um, inappropriate for what they were trying to teach. I'll leave it at that. Um, that's pretty political sounding, wasn't it? I'm impressed with myself right now. Only had a half a glass of smoke wagon tonight, guys. So, um, we got a little bit of everything tonight. By the way, I am not sponsored by them, but I'm drinking a little liquid death because I need some water. I'm drinking some lovely Smoke Wagon the Younger and because there wasn't much left, as you can see, I got a backup bottle.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't expect any less.
Speaker 1:Yes. So to get back to the point of this, social skills. How would you have tested this guy for this stuff? How do you do that, mama G? What lawful law is that, what? What lawful law is that? What are we? Mama G, can you please clarify that? I don't know what a lawful law is. Did I miss a comment or something? Let me go back. Could be the cop is on the autism spectrum, that's fair. My oldest is on that and sometimes she does come across very sharp and logical. I like to describe her as my female Spock. She's super logical and she's incredibly smart.
Speaker 1:Shotguns and Tattoos that's a cool name, by the way. Shotguns and Tattoos. Like I said, no ego, just no personality Fair. Very military too, too. A lot of military guys don't have that.
Speaker 1:Tim said you should see the looks I get driving my 32 year old ford truck through my uncle's rich hoa neighborhood been pulled over three. That's a little different. That's a classic baby. That's a classic like we just had. Um, a badass, it was a ford. I think it was a ford and um, it all restored, probably like a 72, maybe in the late 60s. It was incredible and uh, he young hispanic kid had his music bumping. But, man, he restored this thing Gorgeous and we, we put our hands up like waving and he stopped and he's like, are you stopping me? I was like no man, I just really like your truck. And he's like, oh, thank you, thank you. Yeah, you know, he could tell he did a lot of work on it. So bad-ass truck, by the way.
Speaker 1:So, but yeah, to get to this point, guys, I want to hear from you all in the comments, like, how do you see part of the problem with hiring cops? And we've discussed this before. I've told you, guys, you know who I think would make some of the best cops A Starbucks barista, or what do you call a male barista? Is it a baristo? I don't know.
Speaker 2:You have to Google it.
Speaker 1:A barista? I'm probably saying that wrong anyway. Uh, a bartender, somebody that works in um sales as far as like any, I guess, any sales that involves face-to-face um, what do you? What do you call those people that deal with clothing? It's the same just okay so it's so there's no, feminine, masculine on that no. Okay. What do you call it when people sell clothing and stuff at the malls? It's not sales, but it's called something else. I'm blanking on the word, jamie. Look that up for me, it's a Joe Rogan joke for you. Yes.
Speaker 1:I'm blanking on that freaking word. Somebody in the comments, help me out, help me out, help me out. Kiosk. No damn, I'm in, not apparel. I feel like it begins with an a mama g said daryl brooks, sovereign citizen trial. I watched, sorry. My question was why pull those guys over in the first place? Oh, I see what you're saying. Depends maybe a bike. He recognizes one that runs. It may be. You know like it looked.
Speaker 2:Like he didn't have a plate on that vehicle I think that was what he was questioning, because he was like well, it just hits under there, yeah, and so if you've ever worked on one, it does have a a strange bracket, and so sometimes you know, if you hit a hard bump it does get bent retail.
Speaker 1:Thank you, perry, got me perry sales sales retail associate or retail, that's what I meant to say was retail, being in retail.
Speaker 1:Uh, country girl said bartenders need to learn to gauge every temperament and personality. Not only that, they need to be able to read. Is this person too intoxicated? Do I have to cut them off? Are they on something you know? Are they gonna? Are they gonna cut on the bill? Are they gonna run? You know, dine and dash, stuff like that. Yeah, bartenders will be badass cops. One of my best friends on the department is he was a bartender before he became a cop and he ended up being a great cop. Um, chick-fil-a employees as traffic cops. Yeah, every time they give you a ticket is my pleasure, my pleasure. They would get complained on a hundred times more, did you?
Speaker 1:imagine being the supervisor of that, oh he said what he was happy to give you a ticket my fuck my pleasure. That wouldn't work out too well. You didn't think that one through shotguns and tattoos?
Speaker 2:uh, joyce, hey, the positive thing is they wouldn't work out too well you didn't think that one through shotguns and tattoos, uh, joyce, hey, the positive thing is they wouldn't.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't have to worry about a ticket on sunday um, joyce wellman, yes, you're right, it was edited and I edited it. That was my edited version was sped up because I needed to make time, uh, meet time constraints. That that's not my point. It doesn't matter how much you cut that up. It's the way he's talking, it's the tone, the way the questions are asked. That's the part I was trying to point out. But, yes, full transparency. You're 100% right, that was edited, for sure. Even the bike guy that I got it from had put it out. Um, that was edited, but that wasn't.
Speaker 1:My point of the video was to to make the cop look bad, intentionally, and I don't know if that's what this guy was trying to do. My point was, when I looked at it, the way he was talking, it was like oh, this is a guy that doesn't have the greatest social skills. That's how I saw it and and there was one. So when I try to say lacking social skills, this is what I'm referring to. Like I said, I don't think he did anything wrong. I just think the way he talked could cause shit. Yep, you know, imagine having that same tone and attitude. Attitude, and we're trying to work on a domestic. I don't want the guy like that I'm like hey, dude, I got this. You just watch my six, I'll be the talker. You go stand right over there. Yeah, you guys know me, I am a talker. So Barbara Hempel, I know it's Barbara. I like saying Barbara, keep being you. I don't know if she's talking to me or you. Alan David Edmondson said my pleasure.
Speaker 2:So I put that one up from Ozark Moon. Sorry, I had to Google it. So special needs trust L. I don to Google it.
Speaker 1:So special needs trust. I don't even know what that? What are we referring to?
Speaker 2:S-N-T special needs trust I never heard of that. It was earlier in the chat, so I had to show my copnism with all our acronyms. I had to go and Google what that acronym was.
Speaker 1:Freeman Keyes said departments should require social skills. Bartenders retails department should require social skills. Bartenders retails. These kids need social skills. They do and they're getting worse.
Speaker 2:They're getting worse so yeah, you can't talk to each other like you do on that headset on the video game oh hell, no, jesus, I, I, I game from time to time, especially on pc.
Speaker 1:Pc is a lot better, pc is a lot better, but I've been on and the things that come out of these kids it's almost that's part of the entertainment. It's just seeing and hearing the shit that these kids are going to come up with out of their mouth and they're used to talking that way. I am looking forward to the day when how you talk on your gamer chat is sent to someplace. You try to get employed and if you don't think that information's not being harvested, it's being harvested. I promise you Somebody is harvesting that information. They're going to use it against you some way. Somehow you are not getting away talking like that on game chat.
Speaker 1:Troops have always this is from my mom troops have always had huge egos, yet they don't have a clue of what real cop in the Air Force. When you talk to Air Force cops they think that they're ready from being a military cop to jump right into police work on the outside in the civilian world and they don't translate. You're not ready. And it's kind of a wake-up call when they get to work the few that get to work with me, which my report date is February 24th. So you guys are going to have a month of uncertainty on this show because the guys are going to have to run most of the stuff while I'm gone. I will try to jump on when I can. I just don't know how well that's going to work out. I don't know what type of Internet connection I'm going to have, all that stuff.
Speaker 1:But to the point, uh, military cops think that they are ready to go out the gate and they can come be, uh, regular police officers in the in the civilian world, and it just doesn't translate. You. There's a lot of training and shit you got to go through because one on the base you can pull over whoever you want, for whatever reason you want. So is that your dog shaking? Yeah, that's dabby the great dane. Oh, dude, dude, guess what?
Speaker 2:yeah, I got my ball oh no, my wife got up so she thinks she's gonna. Oh, I got you, she's got to come and inspect the house.
Speaker 1:Wade Lucero said Fusion Center harvests everything. Mm-hmm, yep, yep. All right. So from there we've gone about 30 minutes, we'll get into the body cam review. So for those that are not familiar, I go through this every time. First and foremost, before we get to that, I want to show off this poppin' retro rifle shirt that I'm wearing and then the one that Alan's wearing. I believe Alan's got the Happy Gilmore one on tonight. I do, sir. We've officially struck an accord with Retro Rifle. They don't pay us, but they're going to start sending us some shirts. We have bragged about them enough. They're going to start sending us some shirts. So hopefully, everybody you see on the two cops, one donut cast uh, will be wearing retro rifle shirts here in the future. So we're looking forward to that. Um, so go to retro rifle guys, pick you up what I like to call a hawaiian shirt with guns and pop culture and, uh, see how they work for you. Um, let them know. Two caps, one donut sent you and I'll tell you, like uh.
Speaker 2:One of the reasons why I like them so much is, uh, because I do a lot of travel and when I pull them out of my luggage they are not wrinkled yes, they never, they wrinkle like and it's, and it's comfortable, it, it, it wears well, honest. It's the wrinkle part. When I pull it out of the bag, I don't have to worry about the steamer and all that kind of stuff. I can just put it on and go.
Speaker 1:Yep. And then one of the cool parts and I know, guys, it's such a stupid way to advertise, but the show does cost us. It costs us money, it costs us things. So we're trying. And does cost us. It costs us money, it costs us things. We're trying. We try to put it in in a fun way rather than a forced way. Another thing I really like is I'm professional. Right now my collar is buttoned up, but if I want to be not professional, then I just let my collar down by unbuttoning it. If I can unbutton it, there we go.
Speaker 2:I just lost your buddy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my mic. I hit the cord. I heard it go out in my headphones. That's why I like wearing them. And then you can go with a relaxed so if you're on the beach you can wear it down. And if you're in a business meeting and you're wearing one of these shirts, you're even more of Mike type of guy. If you wear these to a business meeting, he said y'all should be in real retail associate.
Speaker 5:Cause the word we couldn't figure out.
Speaker 1:Country girl said I still want the teeth, the two cots, one donut, big fat hoodie. I know I actually ran across one of those hoodies today. He said you gonna pop your collar. Ever since I can remember I've been popping my collar, popping my collar. I won't sing the second line because it's not appropriate for a police officer. For those that don't think I listen to rap, test me, test me listen to it regularly. I need a refill here. But all right, as I pour tell me what y'all are drinking tonight. Anybody else partaking in an adult beverage?
Speaker 2:I know alan's probably not no, I'm, I'm standing with Alan right now. I have some nice iced tea.
Speaker 1:Okay, I like it, I like it. Freeman Key said Eric and Alan, you do what you need to. We love your content and those are damn nice shirts. Thank you, man, I appreciate that. Tim said I own some loud shirts. You would love them. Hey, not every one of them are loud. I got my harambe shirt. Uh, it's, it's black, it's all blacked out, it's very subtle. Um, you have to get close. I got some hawaiian shirts that are kind of loud, but you, you sorry, my aquarium just went nuts.
Speaker 1:I'll be back all right, it's fine, um, anyway, guys. So the point that I was getting to is for those that have never done this show and don't know what we're about. We like to review body cam videos, but rather than monday morning quarterback and be like, oh, this cop fucked up here, he should have done this, should have done done that, or this citizen did all these things wrong, we want to give you a different look. We want to give you how our training goes, what we see as the call develops. It's easy to figure out at the end. Well, I shouldn't say it's easy, but it's easy to come to a conclusion at the end and be completely off on your thinking because you didn't know what was going through the cop's mind as the call developed. So I think that understanding of how I'm looking at a call as it goes through helps give you a better insight and helps us bridge that gap. So you can kind of see where we're coming from. Now we'll discuss, as we're going, some problems that y'all may have or some agreements that you have. You know you'd be like, oh okay, see, I didn't think of it that way. Or, you know, why didn't the cop in the common? Why didn't the cop shoot him in the leg there. Why did the cop use his gun and not a taser? You know we'll discuss those things, ask questions. This is part of the. The whole part, uh point of this is the interaction side, because your guys's comments is what makes me a better cop, and I'm a field supervisor in patrol, so what you guys end up teaching me along the way, unbeknownst to y'all, is I take what I learned from you guys and press that onto my guys. So it's it's fun how this worked out. I intended on doing this because I thought I was going to teach you all something, but you all ended up teaching me a lot, so it's been really fun in that aspect. So just know, what you guys have done, by us participating in this together, has made me a better cop. I think I haven't been fired yet, so that's a bonus, right? So let's see. Let's's keep going here.
Speaker 1:We're going to share the screen, um, and all right, pause, pause, pause. Okay, share that beautiful um. First and foremost, shout out to police activity. This is where we exclusively get all of our videos. It seems I have several other sources, but I never get to them because police activity has everything we need. So please give them credit. Um, go to police activity on YouTube like subscribe, do all the things with them. They are sitting currently at 6.3, 8 million subscribers, um, which is, you know, it's pretty close to what we got, um, so they've got that going for them.
Speaker 1:This video was, I believe, uploaded seven hours ago, the one we're about to watch. So, um, country girl said this show has softened my opinion of LEOs. That's awesome. I mean, that's middle ground. That's all I can ask for. That is a victory to me If I can turn somebody's heart. That was like I hate cops, like, alright, I still hate cops, but these two guys are cool. That's a win.
Speaker 1:The fact that we have, I consider, a full classroom, 30 or more. We consistently have 30 or more people on watching all the every time we do these lives. Tonight, the only channels that are on are mine. We don't even have Matt's police law news Banning's. We don't have anybody else's channels linked up tonight. So we're sitting showing currently on restream, which doesn't track our YouTube numbers very well. Um, so I think we have. We're probably sitting at maybe a thousand people. It's not too bad. So let's uh, let's, biggie size this guy. There we go and um, so this is what I'm going to do, guys, guys, because I've been, I've gotten some critiques that we go down too many rabbit holes and we don't get through the video. So what I'm gonna do is, I mean, alan, are gonna go back and forth, but we're gonna get through the whole video and then we're gonna get to y'all's comments. So, alan, if you can pin some comments when you see them, okay, but I am going to go through right now and hit play.
Speaker 1:We have not seen these videos, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So for me this looks like it was possibly a traffic stop that led into a parking lot, or it was a wanted car and they happened to pass by it and see it in the parking lot.
Speaker 1:We're going to make a contact with it. That's me not knowing any of the background. So for me, if this is a traffic stop and all of a sudden it starts to do one of these numbers, I'm retreating, I'm going back to my car. The reason being is I do not want to get put into a position where I've created an exigent circumstance, which means I don't want to create a deadly force situation here because of me. If I can get out of the way and get to my car, then that's just what I'm going to have to do, because I don't have any other information right now. If there's a wanted homicide suspect in there, okay, that's different, but I don't know that. So for me, I'm going to go back to my car, I'm going to try to get in there and then, if I have to pursue this guy, if I can pin him up against the wall, whatever it is, that's an option. What do you think, alan?
Speaker 2:no, I completely agree. I got sidetracked so I didn't see the very beginning. So okay.
Speaker 1:So he makes contact with the car, he starts to get out, and then the car just starts to pull up and it looks like he's trying to do the uh you know seven point turn to get out of that entrapment, um, and it looks like the cop's about to uh try to punch the window or open the door or do something probably dumb in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I would stay back by my car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he looks young.
Speaker 2:Wait for him to wreck out or something. Yeah, he looks young.
Speaker 1:So nothing against young officers, but y'all do some dumb shit. Well, that's how they learn. Yep, it is. Oh, he's going to break it open. Oh, he did Good for you. Yeah, you got to get out of here. He's in that car.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we had multiple units, which tells me something different. Now I want to point out, guys I know that the title of this video is floating somewhere towards the top of the screen. I don't read it. I intentionally try not to even look up there because I don't want to know shit about the video. I want to go just off of what we see and kind of tell you how we would handle this call as it goes. So for me now, knowing that I got multiple units, power of deduction, this is a wanted person because we've got two guys out and then somebody's in this patrol car, maybe multiple, maybe a two-man unit. So they're wanted for something. I don't know what it is. This all comes down to department policy, now what we're looking at. I can't do what this guy just did unless this is like a homicide suspect. It has to be a wanted, like aggravated felon, like it's gotta be a violent felon for me to do what this guy just did.
Speaker 2:Well, and, and I get that, but you're only once. Once the contact's made, you're only going to get written up once. So I'm gonna die. That car's gonna get stopped with my vehicle. I mean, I I'm not gonna do what this guy did either, but, um, you know, once we're we've done that, then I'm gonna use my vehicle to pin that car as best I can yeah, so we got some policy violation possibly here.
Speaker 1:The kid that broke the window out option, that's an option.
Speaker 2:Okay. So have you ever swung your baton and tried to hit a window with it?
Speaker 1:Yes, but I knew what I was doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I watched, I've done it, and so I watched another guy recently do it and watched the baton hitting back in the forehead.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, okay. So for those who don't know the window, you want to aim for the corners. You aim in the middle. It's coming back at you and even if you hit the corners, you got to gotta hit it right, you gotta hit it right. So, um, I played baseball, hockey, uh, you know any stupid sport I played all. I was an athlete growing up. So for me, I've broken several windows with batons, but broke them first try with the training, knowing what I was doing. I've also broke them with the glass break on a pocket knife, and that is where I did not know and had to learn the lesson the hard way, that your hand's going to continue to go through the glass. It doesn't just hit and stop. So I learned to start using my that glass. Punch in my baton like a little chisel and and pop it that way. So let's keep going here. Oh, we got another car, oh lord. Oh, we got another car, oh Lord. There you go. Now he's done.
Speaker 1:All right, from here it's a felony stop. The instinct for cops is to run up on this car. You can't do it. I don't know. My guess is that's a front wheel drive vehicle, so just because those rear wheels are lifted off doesn't mean this car is out of the fight yet. So a felony stop means we're going to open our doors, we're going to loud hell. Driver, turn off the car. Turn off the car. Show us your hands, show us your hands. We're going to be yelling that from cover and we're all going to fan out. So that that would, to me, would be the next move. Um, and you need to be anticipating. They're going to rabbit, meaning they're going to run. So that's the next thing you've got to be ready for.
Speaker 1:The main focus is always the driver. So I'm hoping you've got some cheetahs ready for the driver and the passenger tries not to go too far. The smart passengers don't leave the car. Oh, this is a different view. Same thing Get out of the car. Get out of the car. I am, I am, I am the past. Just kind of give up. You can see that there. So now you've got to something to point out. Now you've got an innocent victim. Yep, that's the only way we can see this, because she's trying. I I don't want nothing to do with this. Like you can hear her. I'm trying to get out. I'm trying to get out. This guy's not allowing it. So now we definitely have a felony. We I mean whatever this is is already a felony, but we've got an innocent person that's stuck. Now we don't have a choice. We would have had to chase that car till the wheels fell off.
Speaker 2:Yep, because we've got changes everything. Yeah, this is a hostage.
Speaker 1:Yep, there's a rolling hostage. That's the way I see this. So, and I promise guys, we're pinning your questions and stuff as we go, we're going to get to those as soon as this video is over. Look at that car. It's got some balls for being a little sick. Whatever, it is okay. So the approach to the car now to me is appropriate, because we've got a hostage. You got to get up there, you don't? The window of opportunity was there, you had to take it. I'm with these guys. I would have done the same thing.
Speaker 2:Well, and they've also, you know, being in the place they were at, they've seen in the vehicle and you know he's been pretty busy. So you're going to be less, he's going to be less inclined to be able to get to a gun in that amount of time. Right, Yep, to be able to get to a gun in that amount of time Right.
Speaker 1:Yep, you're right. All right, let's keep going. Let go, dude.
Speaker 2:Let go. Let go. Okay, get him in custody. Did he just do a handcuff in custody in the car?
Speaker 1:Let me go back. I love that. I think he was out of the car.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah he's on the ground. Let go, because that training, where you do it even as the seatbelt's coming undone, is the next best thing.
Speaker 1:Okay, Now I'm heading over to our pinned comments. My mom said the internet's acting up on her phone. You guys on the biggie side.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize that was a thing yeah, we've got to go to armies and get them to uh um, tim said yo, brian ewing, uh, is my real life.
Speaker 1:Brother say hi guys. Oh, what's up, brian, how you doing? Brother, welcome to the show. I'm glad tim brought you on. Make sure you go to our youtube channel like subscribe. Go to all the other things like subscribe, follow whatever it is. You know what the kids say. Shotguns and tattoos said cool, cool, cool. Fyi, I have both shotguns and tattoos. That's what I'm talking about. I should be unpinning these as I go, I guess. Yeah, give me one second. Here I'm going through.
Speaker 1:Hit it hard in the squeal like a little girl. Bre, hit it hard in the squeal like a little girl Breaks every time. True, mama G said last week, like five hours long and Eric got toasted. I did that shit. Hit me hard fast. He said two weeks ago Eric had a weak timeout from YouTube for fair use ban.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got banned because a video I posted in May of a traffic accident. It was just a funny little clip. I didn't even say anything on it, I just kind of took it and re-shared it and it was somebody had an accident on just a regular roadway, like right before an intersection, like a traffic light, and so as the car's going by the guy's like, hey, you can't park there, funny right, they're all standing around their little car accident. Well, the person he says that to pulls out a gun and shoots it twice in the air. I don't know how many times I shot it, but anyway, all the crap we have on here, and for some reason that got me a strike back in May. So I try to avoid that crap and I still don't know what I did wrong. I don't know what I did wrong. I don't know how to fix it. Now I'm really nervous, so I'm trying to play it safe on just about everything, because we can't afford another strike. Another strike is going to be an even longer time off, longer than a week.
Speaker 1:Country Girl says I want an RV to travel, do videos and feed and help homeless too. I sold my property and want to travel, do videos and feed and help homeless too. I sold my property and want to travel. That would be awesome, that would be very awesome. I think that's admirable for sure. Um, shotguns and tattoos oh no, eric, I just got my bill a glass break pen for for christmas.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go, the the thing to remember for the glass break stuff if it's one that requires you to strike. You either want to have a glove on with something to cover your arm or something to strike it, just to tap it. You could even use the back of your phone, your wallet or whatever. It doesn't have to be anything crazy, it doesn't take a lot of pressure. So you hold that striker up there and just give it a good pop. I don't know, I've never done it with my hand like this. It might work, but I would suggest something sturdy. Let me see here.
Speaker 1:Ozark said so much for felony stop. They just ran right up to it and yanked his butt out. Hey, sometimes you go against the grain. You've got to just go with your gut and go with what you think will work. If it works, everybody's cool with it, but the moment it doesn't, everybody's going to have it's your ass. You're the one that gets to bet it. So Wade Lucero said I'm here to keep you in line, but this I have to say it's clean, all right, fair enough, fair enough, I like it. Said I'm here to keep you in line, but this I have to say it's clean, all right, fair enough, fair enough, I like it. You know what.
Speaker 1:I want to give a shout out to the guys that do come here to to cause a ruckus, not intentionally, just to cause shit, but to push, to push the envelope, because you gotta us cops. So all you cops out there listening, you have to understand we're in a fucking fishbowl. We are in a fishbowl. You're surrounded by cops all the time. They're all wearing fucking gas, can Oakleys, punisher tattoos with thin blue lines going through the Punisher tattoo, like that is your world okay.
Speaker 1:You need people that don't like cops. You need people that mistrust cops. You need people that mistrust cops. You need people that maybe think cops are okay. If you surround yourself with like-minded people, you are never going to improve and you're going to only perpetuate the reasons why these people don't like you. And some of you may say well, why do I give a shit if they like me? Because that's who you work for. I mean, I will push against the grain a little bit. Yes, we understand, we work for you guys, but at the same time, you're not my boss. I've had this argument. You're not my boss.
Speaker 1:My sergeant's my boss. My chief is definitely my boss. The general public is not my boss, just like you don't own my patrol car. That's another favor to my eye. This is mine. I paid for this. Yes, your tax dollars did help pay for it, but it ain't yours, matter of fact. If you were to try to get in it or take anything out of it, you've committed a crime. That's how I know. It's not yours. So that's where we get into this and that's how we keep things honest.
Speaker 1:And uh, andy fletcher said that's what we don't, that's what we don't hate. Eric, maybe, eric, maybe. Maybe that's what andy meant. Appreciate it, I don't. I don't want to be hated. Um rico said I'm not going to butcher your last name, brother Nunyevich. I think I nailed that. I think you did. But do any of your shotguns have tattoos? None of my shotguns have tattoos. I don't trust cops and I live with one. That's the best. My wife would probably agree with you. That's funny Going. My wife would probably agree with you. That's funny. Oh, going to the comments again, they are being recorded and they still disrespect and only do the wrong. It does drive me insane, andy, and I'm with you on the. It all comes down to training. I actually had this conversation. I already posted that one I know.
Speaker 2:Well, I was trying to unclick the star. Oh, I guess.
Speaker 1:It drives me insane. It's 2025, and we still got cops out there. We're talking about First Amendment auditing. You can't film here, you can't do this. I'm like, how is this still a problem? Do this? I'm like, how is this still how? How is this still a problem? I mean, I I know a lot of you know police podcasts out there that to put out the same info I do. I'm not saying that I'm the best at it, but you know matt thornton, he's been running the cause for a long time. Police uh law news. You know, with daniel he's been doing he will call out stupid shit and give you the law to back it up. So it's crazy, like you know.
Speaker 1:To Andy's point, you're being recorded and you're still screwing up, and that's where I fall back. That it's a training issue, guys. I think ego comes into play on some of it because you're pushing back and cops are so used to people just going with the flow which don't get me wrong, please. That's in a perfect world for me. I wish that's how it was, if people would just say hey, officer, I understand that you're trying to ID me right now, but that goes against my First Amendment rights and I want to let you know I protest that but I'm going to comply. Holy shit, if I saw a video like that and you go to court, the judge is going to just melt the judge is going to melt and be like holy shit and going to look at that cop and be like you're fucked, you're going to lose?
Speaker 2:Why did you fill out that piece of paper Like what? Are you a moron?
Speaker 1:One of my favorites that I've been seeing more and more recently. Damn it, I can't remember his name. All of a sudden I blanked. I'm sorry, he'll know who I'm talking about. He doesn't talk. He goes out and he First Amendment audits and he just doesn't talk and I'm like, oh my god, brilliant, because now you can't even get mad at him. He's not talking. You can't get mad at that. It's a brilliant strategy. And he's gotten people to arrest him and I'm just sitting back and I'm like, well, you're fucked.
Speaker 1:Not only did you just give this guy an easy lawsuit like you're fired, rightfully so, yep, you're done Like bye, too bad, so sad, I don't, and it goes back to ego. So I want to give you guys kind of a what we're doing? Something coming down the line we got to iron in the fire. We are creating. I shouldn't say we're doing something coming down the line we got to iron in the fire. We are creating. I shouldn't say we're creating.
Speaker 1:It's a class that's been created by my buddy, george Lopez. He is an officer where I'm at. He created this class because of what we've been talking about the ego taking over and we're going to create a little mini series on our YouTube channel. So every time you see a cop or a department where their ego gets in the way, instead of just bitching about it, you can say hey, go to this YouTube channel, it's free. Here is a little mini series on how to train to stop ego in a police department, because where I work which I can't talk about we actually teach an ego class now, and that is directly because of what we're doing here. So you've already affected change y'all it's that hopefully spreads like wildfire throughout police departments. That was the whole purpose of what we're doing and why we do what we do is to help create better cops. Hey, you do know your camera follows your movement, right? Yeah?
Speaker 2:I just, you know, I didn't want to sneeze in the good mic, so uh, that's funny.
Speaker 1:It looked like you're trying to get off camera.
Speaker 2:Last week I spent a lot of time in scottsdale and, um, we were, we were in a mobile command structure and so we're set up in these two different trailers that are in the middle of the road but the road dead ends at Ballfield. They went in and put all these barricades and things up and we're at the morning briefing and all of a sudden there's this guy standing there and one of the analysis people sitting behind me is like, hey, somebody go talk to that guy. Well, it was a actual. He was, you know, auditing and the sergeant did a great job. He just went and talked to the guy and was like hey, you can't be here right now. And he's like, no, I'm in the public street. And he's like, yeah, but you crossed the barricade, so you need to go stand on the other side of the barricade.
Speaker 2:And the dude did and he started recording and you know, it was just interesting to watch all of the different officers and I would say 90% of them. You know, just let it go. And there was two or three of them that was like trying to ag it on and I'm like guys like you know, yeah now, but I mean he stood there so he went to every one of the command structures so there was four for the event around town, and he went and spent a day at every one of them, and so this group of people had just come on for the week, and so they they didn't get the breakdown until they went to command and were like, oh, he's already been ID'd and you know all these things, and so Rico Nunevich said if I, if I get pulled over and a shaved head, 25 yearold approaches my truck, I just think, here we go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you ain't wrong, you ain't wrong. Freeman Keyes said Eric, I really hope that class gets to every department in the country, as do I, and I hope it gets credited to George, because I'm definitely going to Guys. He's one of the reasons I became the type of instructor I am. Um, if you ever hear me say bits of soup, chunks of soup or anything like that, um, he's who I got that from. I'll give you a quick example, day one. Now, mind you, I'm already a purple belt in jujitsu. I've been a box and judo Like I am.
Speaker 1:I am a defensive tactics or control tactics nut. I've been doing it for years. It's one of the reasons I don't have uses of force. In my opinion, I rarely get in them. I become an instructor and I'm an instructor for control tactics. I'm out on the deck. It's my first day, it's my class. I'm like all right, I'm going to teach these guys shuffle step.
Speaker 1:Now, for those that don't know, shuffle step is literally standing up on your feet in a fighting stance and having your hands up however you want to do it. Usually we teach them with open hands and you just shuffle forward, just one quick step and I just hit a blank. I'm like, hey guys, you know I'm the instructor Levine today. Today we're going to go over shuffle step.
Speaker 1:Shuffle step is a maneuver that you will use to close the distance or create distance with somebody, but maintaining, you know, a fighting stance, a balanced stance. And so today, here's Shuffle Step and I get out there and I'm trying to demonstrate, but I'm supposed to talk through it and my mind goes blank and I'm like now, george being my backup, I'm like the thing about Shuffle Step is I got Officer Lopez here. He's going to come help you out and explain Sh, shuffle step and he jumps in no questions asked. He was ready for it, he does it. And then, after all the recruits you know they they shower up, go to the locker room and whatnot. Then he lets me have it.
Speaker 1:He never, he never would embarrass me in front of the recruits, which is a good strategy. I learned that from him as well. And and he's oh man, he gave me so much shit for that. He's like Shuffle Step, Really All the stuff you know. And you fucked up Shuffle Step, and so they made pictures. They took pictures of me and they're like question mark, question mark, and it just said Shuffle Step underneath, oh, it was so funny.
Speaker 1:But no, george is a great instructor so I want to film him doing it. I don't want to teach it, I want him to do it. So when you guys see George, I'm hoping to get him. Aw, it's nighttime. I'm hoping when George retires because he's real close to retiring, if not sooner we can get him to be a part of what we do on instructional stuff. Bring him in as a guest instructor and things like that. Big shout-out to George Wade said class won't help much because we can't talk about the truth. Why not?
Speaker 2:I would disagree with that.
Speaker 5:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:we can't talk about the truth. Some real talk happens during class.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and the best part about when you have a good class put together, wade, that you don't get to see is the video after video after video of the example of what you're about to teach. So that's how we like to lead that shit up is when I teach a class and when I make a class and again, I learned this from George. So if this gets around, this is how this is going to be is showing the examples Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So you can't say that it doesn't exist in policing, so it's a hard pill to swallow. I think that's kind of what you're getting to, where it's a hard pill to swallow, but it happens. So now, here it is.
Speaker 1:Now, how do we fix it? It's a problem. How do we fix it? Just like backpedaling. We try to explain to officers when you backpedal from a suspect, you are more likely to get hurt, injured or killed. And then you show them video after video of a cop getting severely injured or killed and the biggest downfall is because they ran straight backwards instead of getting off the X to the sides. So it's a hard pill to swallow. Cops don't like to sit there and talk about it. I watched people quit in the academy because they watched an officer get killed on video. So, yes, we do face hard truths when we do training, but that's with good training.
Speaker 1:Not everybody gets the same training I get, so that's one of the things we're trying to fix. That's one of the biggest you want to talk about elephants in the room Wade Disparity in training. The training I get isn't the training that everybody else gets and the training that I get doesn't necessarily fit for the policing culture in another city or state. What we get trained here in New York or in New York, in Texas, isn't going to work in New York and California. Nope, it doesn't fit their culture.
Speaker 1:And if you really want to get into the weeds and talk about the criminal justice system, how many criminal justice systems are there? Is there just one? Nope, you got to break it down by county, by city. There's 18,000 plus different criminal justice systems. That's a fucking problem. If you really think about it. You want to know why it's so different everywhere else, why there's all these disparities. You got 18,000 plus different just state law issues because their criminal justice system, because then we didn't even get into the federal side. I don't know the numbers on the federal side so well, I can speak for my county alone.
Speaker 2:Um, the last sexual assault that we took to court was over a million dollars in processing of that and you know. So they had to choose to drop other cases and things like that because one person wanted to their rights to take something to court and the county couldn't afford it yeah, yeah, money.
Speaker 1:You defund the police. You want to defund? Holy shit. I tried to tell people one of the best ways that we can fix law enforcement is pay them Because, historically, if you want to look at the departments that had major corruption, go through and I always go to New Orleans and I'm not trying to pick on New Orleans, but they had a major corruption issue go on with them in the 90s where shit they were protecting drug dealers and stuff and then you start looking at the root causes behind some of that stuff Poor funding, they weren't getting paid, shit. They are susceptible to corruption, but the places that aren't are the ones that are getting paid, because I'm not going to let some shitty cop ruin my good thing, where I'm treated like a professional.
Speaker 1:This is a profession. I'm so invested into this profession. I'm creating a podcast, I'm constantly watching videos, I'm checking out case law. I'm doing all of these things because I love what I do, but there's a lot of cops that don't. There's a lot of cops that do the bare minimum. My question is why are they doing the bare minimum? That's the stuff we got to get to the bottom of, and I don't think it's necessarily because of who they are as a person. I think they've been beaten down that way because I think a lot of people signed up to do this job because they really wanted to help people. They had some reason. I don't think it's because they were picked on in high school and they wanted to get some comebacks. Maybe one out of a million slipped through like that. But no, I don't think that that's the main thing. So Harrison Brock said everyone should have a general understanding of the Constitution of the United States. Agreed, agreed. I don't think that the constitution should be block trained.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think you know not getting into politics and all that kind of stuff, but I think this is where we don't even talk about that stuff in school anymore. Before we even talk about going to law enforcement Like I remember taking us history and you know it's I worked for a school district that kind of stuff is not harped on like it was when we were in school.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, and. And so, one of the ways, my one of my nephews is on here watching, and he's young, so, um, you should not be watching this show, connor. I appreciate the support, but your uncle swears a lot on here. Um, sorry, that threw me off. What was the point I was trying to get to?
Speaker 1:um school and uh knowing the constitution, constitution, thank you, um, so with the constitution, I think the way that you train your cops in the Constitution is you do your block training, because you can't stick on it forever, but it becomes a part of everything you do from there on out, throughout the academy. So it doesn't just get taught and then it's stopped. Here's the problem with the Constitution. Y'all in police work, knowing the Constitution and then practically applying it is very hard. People think that everything's black and white. Well, that's against the Constitution. It's up to interpretation. That's why the courts are in place. If the Constitution was that easy, we wouldn't have that many court cases. But what ends up happening is we interpret the constitution one way, you interpret another way, and then we have to go to court to figure out who was right in that instance. So, yes, cops need to know the constitution I'm with you, and it needs to be continued. So how do we? How do we improve it? The point that I'm getting to is practical application. As you keep going through the academy, train it, get that shit, maybe first and foremost one of your first classes and then every time you have a scenario, you make them quote the Constitution. Okay, how does this apply? How does this scenario apply to the Constitution? All right, we had a guy that was out here videotaping in front of the hospital and the cops got called Cool, go handle it. All right, I went out there, sir, um, you know, can I get your ID, name and ID? No, I'm out here filming. It's my constitution, right, okay, cool, um, all right, sir, is there anything else out here that maybe I can help you with? You know, you watch these guys try to fumble through it. Uh, nope, I'm just going to be out here filming doing my constitution, right, all right, they go back to the hospital. Hey, he's not violating anything, okay, cool. End scenario. So now the scenario has ended.
Speaker 1:Now, me as an instructor. I go up to him. Okay, what was going on? Well, he was out there filming. Okay, how does that apply to the constitution? Does he have a right to do that? Well, yeah, it's his constitution. Well, uh, that's on hospital grounds. No, he was on a public sidewalk. Okay, you just made that rookie that a recruit. Talk through the constitution, that is how you improve it. So, um, uh, would wade say I saw all caps. So he's serious. You can't train constitutional law. You wouldn't have qualified immunity. You can't train constitutional law. No, we're not getting into.
Speaker 2:We're not getting into qualified immunity uh, first, when you read that you're my son's, you know, the 22 year old says you have to scream when you're do all cops.
Speaker 1:So oh, is that what that is next?
Speaker 2:time you see all cops you know because I used to do that and he's like no, you can't do that.
Speaker 1:So um, I saw a dumb cop saying that filming in public was not a first amendment, right, yeah, that's, that's a dumb cop, especially if you saw it anytime in the last six years I always still fall for it, I don't know, I would say longer than that yeah, yeah, um, yeah, the uh. I had a video. My blind, my mind went blank. I'm sorry, sometimes I just lose track of what I'm thinking. Okay, let's get to another video.
Speaker 2:We've only watched one, so we are going to go to this guy here, not invite guest share screen if you like what we're doing here, guys go and like and make it available to all of your friends and family. We love to have new followers.
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Speaker 2:This one is also brought to you by Please, and we're waiting, waiting for you to say it, we're going to highlight it Biggie size, biggie size. There it is you guys are stupid.
Speaker 1:Highlight it Biggie size, biggie size, you guys are stupid, I don't even have another way to say it Enhance, I'm going to enhance.
Speaker 2:No, we don't. It's not that we're against it. We like it.
Speaker 1:But you know, we just wait for you to say it. All right, let's go. Do we have volume? Okay, it's just muted. All right, let's go. Do we have volume? Okay, it's just muted, all right. Well, this is not a body cam video. Okay, we got a person out for a walk, two people out for a walk. That guy just decided to start running. That's weird. Oh, we got a hit. Looks like somebody was trying to shoot him. Mm-hmm. Okay, I'm going to say the guy in the car is a bad guy because he just got out of a vehicle and tried to chase somebody with a gun. I don't know. Okay, now we got two police cars here, three, oh, they found the car.
Speaker 2:holy shit, guys, too many chiefs how do you mess that one up?
Speaker 1:I don't know how you mess that one up. Sorry boys, I'm not trying to make fun of New York's finest here. I understand you just deal with the shit sandwich, you're dealt. But if you know you're dealing with somebody that's got a gun, I'm boxing the shit out of that car.
Speaker 2:I'm not leaving you any, I mean you had the vehicle there.
Speaker 1:I'm not leaving any avenue for escape. And it looks like they did, that it might be a policy thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it could be that may be a policy thing.
Speaker 1:So this is something you guys got to consider when you look at your departments and you're pushing this no chase policies and things but this is something you got to pay attention to with your departments that your policies and what you pressure them to do may be bad for the community. I would argue that there's no way I'm letting this guy go. He is a menace. This is a dangerous person.
Speaker 2:So I just came back from one of the. You know, I just came back from Oakland about a month ago and their big topic was the no chase policy and they have lifted it and so they now can chase and give chase okay and it was crazy, uh, hearing both sides of that, you know, through the media it was.
Speaker 1:It was very interesting conversation happening um, wade lucero said I do like and sub and we do talk about you in audit activist community. Oh god I I tell you what that scares me, wade. I never know how activist communities are going to take me. Um, because I'm not. The thing is is I'm pretty even keel. I try to call out good cop behavior, but I'll call out bad cop behavior and some activist community. They want you to be just completely bad. They want you to be just completely bad. They want you to call it the bad all the time and that's just not my.
Speaker 1:I'm an optimist. If you guys can't tell you, I'm an optimistic person by nature. So it's really hard for me to even to to dwell on the negative. I recognize it. My optimistic side is how to fix it. Like, that's what I want to do. I want to do, I want to twist that. So, um, I know I said I'm going to get through these videos and not go down a rabbit trail, but because Wade said this comment, I do want to point out I had a great interaction with an activist Um the other night.
Speaker 1:His name was Cody High Roller. So first amendment auditor um saw him him. So guys check him out, like, subscribe to his page. He was very cool to me, very nice guy and I. You know he's got like 17,000 followers. He's got a pretty good you know what I would call like a low level following. That seems to be doing well for him. So great interaction with him. He was very respectful, the way he was First Amendment auditing and stuff like that, and we had a great conversation. So good dude. So shout out to him. Anyway, I'm going to keep going here.
Speaker 2:He actually has a post on you. Who the Cody High Roller?
Speaker 1:He has a post on me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, your video's up. Oh shit, Well, we're not sharing that on here, because if it's me working, yes, yeah, that's what I I I'm leading to.
Speaker 1:Okay, we keep those two things separate, y'all. So please don't you can. You can discuss it on your own. Please have to keep my work separate. Um, okay, so I was just trying to give him some love because, like I said, he did good, so let's keep going with this video. Okay, we got no volume. Get the hell out of the way. Yeah, he must have a fast car. Okay, so what we're going to be doing here is.
Speaker 1:We're going to be calling out direction of travel, description of vehicle. How many times it's occupied that we can see what the traffic conditions are. It's New York City, so I'm sure they're always screwed. Right now I'm going to be like we're northbound. We just passed the intersection, traveling at this distance or this speed it's got a firearm in there.
Speaker 5:That's as far as I can turn that's a good point that was made yeah, the firearm.
Speaker 1:Yep, and you got to keep saying that on the radio. Hey, everybody that gets involved just know this person is armed.
Speaker 5:We know that he's armed with a firearm why the fuck is he trying to pass me bro?
Speaker 1:that's a violation. Where I'm at, you do not pass the lead vehicle. You don't pass anybody in a pursuit unless you're falling out and you tell them hey, take over, my car's got a flat, whatever. That's a no-no, especially because I think this guy was doing good. He's keeping a good distance. This is some young Thundercat shit that I see this car doing. So if I was to guess, I'm going to say it's a younger officer that doesn't know what he's doing. I'm going to say it's a younger officer that doesn't know what he's doing. We'll see. There's a reason we keep the distance. You don't want to get right up on their butt. Get me help.
Speaker 3:Get me help over here. This watch is absolutely right in asking for more help. You want as many units as you can get. This guy's got a gun.
Speaker 1:He's a danger to the community because he chased him due to the gun well, I will say that the person that's saying why is he passing me? He's not maybe it just may be a dark unit, a darker colored car. We don't know it still may say nypd all over um, but either way, the lead vehicle. You need to communicate that you're right you can't just take over I agree.
Speaker 5:Why do I have not a house? I need help from other commands.
Speaker 1:I like that. He's asking why did?
Speaker 5:he block that car man. That was stupid little new york personality coming out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't disagree and this is what I'm getting with with the culture of police, don't don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't I like that. This is how they get the stress out, guys. They're just talking in the car you're gonna get stuck, maybe not maybe not maybe not, maybe not.
Speaker 5:He's gonna get stuck. Maybe not, maybe not, maybe not.
Speaker 1:If that car can fit, you can fit. Gotta stay with him. Turn left, turn left. I love that they're redacting all the license plates that they pass by. It's so weird, why? What a waste.
Speaker 5:We're in the 7-7. We're close to the 7-7 precinct itself. It's turning out to Utica, turning out to Utica. Empty out the 7-7. We're going towards the 7-7 itself, the physical building In front of the precinct. We're in front of the physical building In front of the precinct, in front of the 7-7.
Speaker 1:This is exciting. I like this. This is facing New York City In front of the 7-7.
Speaker 5:We are physically in front of the 7-7. Got me amped up.
Speaker 1:God, I've never seen so many cars. This is insane. And they got back in the cars. That's insane. And they got back in with the speed. That was pretty good. Look at that traffic.
Speaker 3:I'm not really updating guys because there's nothing I would have changed so far.
Speaker 1:We just keep on calling out directions.
Speaker 5:He's stuck.
Speaker 1:He's stuck. He's stuck. Now you got to. So oh shit, now you gotta. So oh shit, um. So I heard shots already, so I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get that far ahead. But, um, from here the car stops. I would have depending. We can't see what the suspects are doing if they stay in the car now. It's a felony stop.
Speaker 2:Loud held. We have pedestrians like even with that car, so right Issues there too.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so I would still lean on the felony stop because I agree you got to get everybody out of the way. You want to stay in the line of fire that you know everybody, so nobody gets ahead of you. What we tend to do as cops is run straight to the freaking bad guys like a magnet, like you guys saw in the last one. But that one was, I agreed with it.
Speaker 2:So let's see here oh, my god the crossfire here, oh look at this guy got away and like, oh, that's a cop. I didn't realize he was a cop, oh, there was a kid in the car.
Speaker 1:Okay, hopefully this gives us a better Woo, that's dog one, that's dog one. That's dog one. That's dog one. That's dog one. That's dog one. That's dog one. That's dog one, that's dog one.
Speaker 1:Okay hopefully this gives us a better. Hey, they're communicating. There's a baby, there's a baby, there's a baby. So great communication. This officer's body cam view that we're seeing. He had a great line of fire where his bullets were probably only going to hit the bad guy, or maybe the driver, um, which I don't know. We knew the passenger was the main suspect with the gun and I swear I saw him come out of that car with a gun yeah, I thought I saw a gun when he came out to you so this guy tried to run.
Speaker 1:I like to point out that they didn't just shoot him in the back or anything like that. They actually did very well at threat assessment. And oh, it's a girl. We got a lot of angles on this one. This one's too exciting to not watch anymore, right? Oh, that's a different MDC system. Oh, he flips down mdc system. Good work. Get the baby out of there. Get him the hell away.
Speaker 1:Acorn Magdump said shotguns, shotguns would be hard to get out of the car quickly with, don't disagree. But if you got to have time, um, in this case, handguns are going to work the best. But no, you're right, I do like me a good shotgun from now time to time. So that one officer ran around to the front and was firing as the other guy's firing at him. Yeah, that's what we call sympathetic fire. I think he was firing just because his partner was, even if that officer that first ran up was justified in shooting. Yep, this officer that just fired rounds has to account for those, even if those rounds hit the bad guy, he has to explain why he shot.
Speaker 2:Yep Right by the person trying to get away Over their head. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Now you have absolute reason to kind of say you know well, the driver is the one that was driving, not stopping, so they're just as complicit. I get that.
Speaker 2:But were they being held at gunpoint, like that's?
Speaker 1:right, right, or are they?
Speaker 2:running because they're, you know, her baby's in the car and she panicked, you know mama geez eric, do you think this is necessary?
Speaker 1:I think it was necessary to stop this person absolutely because they just tried to chase somebody with a gun. That is like the most you know other than child predators, that is, this is the top threat to the community. This guy got out in public, ran out of a car, tried to chase somebody down with a gun and then got back in the car and fled. So this is the ultimate threat to the community. This is one of those ones where you chase them till the wheels fall off. So so then he ran up. Now I'm telling you I thought I seen him come out with a gun.
Speaker 1:I thought that I'm pretty sure I did see that. Now it's really hard because we're watching through a body cam, but I'm going to go back and see what we can find. But you got to remember this was hindsight too. So did I see a gun, did I not? I don't know. We're going to go back and find out. I want to see how this kind of ends. Oh, that's it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm going to go to the part where our guy in the body cam comes up and runs up on the car. Okay, now Tim has told me a hundred times how to go frame by frame. Oh, there it is. I paused that at the perfect time. Touchdown for levine. Look at that. I would have shot the shit out of that guy. Yeah, in a heartbeat. Yeah, here's why, guys, no reasonable person in a eight minute pursuit of cops chasing after you, after you just ran after some dude with a gun, gets out of the car with a gun in your shooting hand and runs up to a cop like this with the intentions of giving up. You're gonna eat every bullet I have right now, mm-hmm. Why? Because bullets don't stop the threat immediately. You're going to eat every bullet I have right now. Why?
Speaker 2:Because bullets don't stop the threat immediately. Yeah, tv shows showing people getting shot once and they quit fighting. That's not real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and imagine what's going through. This officer's head is out of his peripheral. He sees and he keeps hearing there's a baby, there's a baby. You can't take the chance of this guy firing a reckless round well, and all of the rounds that are firing.
Speaker 2:He continues to fire because he he sees the threat, but he also is hearing all this auditory, you know. And so he's still firing because he's perceiving there's still a threat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you guys have no idea what gunshots sound like in a city environment. This is one I can attest to. I've been involved in three shootings. I wasn't the shooter um the three shootings that I was involved in were in a downtown, high-rise city environment wow.
Speaker 1:And I could not tell where the shots were coming from. I just knew shots were being fired all around me and it turned out it was only coming out of one gun, but I could have told you it sounded like a firefight. So just things to consider. But that is that's. I mean that's. Do you need more for this cop? Now, I do think that the other officer has a little bit to answer for Shooting over top of a driver. I think his heart was in the right place. And again, when you're hearing shots bouncing off the buildings, we don't know what that officer's perception was. So, things to consider, things to consider. That's why we can't just jump down that guy's ass right now. So, um, but, uh, yeah, and and David, yeah. David said that's why I stayed silent. Uh, so far, seen this hindsight. Oh, okay, thank you, yes, very cool. Somebody else actually somebody thanked you. Um, where where'd it go? Uh, oh, somebody thanked you. Where did it go? Oh, shotguns and Tattoos said thank you for knowing the outcome and keeping quiet.
Speaker 1:David, yes, thank you very much it does help, so I hope that answers your question. Whoever it was that asked me, I miss I can't find the comment Mama G, yeah, mama G, yeah, like you know.
Speaker 1:And when you consider the time frame, let's see the time frame of when he first started shooting to when he stopped. Stop him Seven seconds. Yep, I got seven seconds. Get on the fucking ground Now. Seven seconds to try to process all this stuff going on, those shots popping around. You've got you know, um, your your adrenaline pumping. You're gonna have audit, audit, auditory. Yeah, I, I was reading it, saying it in my head, as somebody said it Auditory and visual occlusions, so tunnel vision and your hearing turns really weird during those situations.
Speaker 1:The first time I got shot at in the downtown area, that was exactly what happened to me. It wasn't the visual. I remember specifically having really good sight. It wasn't the visual. I remember specifically having really good sight, but my hearing turned into this weird, weird, like just honed in this, and there was thousands of people running around because it was when the bars let out. People were all over the place and they were all standing around to watch this fight. So I mean there's probably 1,000 to 2,000 people out there, wow, and when the shots rang out, I just remember that. You know everything.
Speaker 2:Everything slowed down for me, um what's impressive in this video is this like you would think that, everything being as slow as it was, he reloads, has a tactical reload and then he's on to the driver that's running. I mean, it's in that part of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, and nobody else got hit.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That I could tell. It didn't seem that way. So, yeah, man, that's crazy. And Deputy Acorn Magdump brings up a very good point about the. He gave me a teaching moment. So thank you very much. Let me see. Um, what does that mean? Hits hsts stop the threat pretty quick headshots maybe, especially when you get 15 in in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, wrong. Um, somebody got a membership. Holy shit, a level one membership. Uh, constitutional country girl. Oh, she gifted a membership. Thank you so much, country girl, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:And the recipient of that falk around and find out, falk around and find out, which is a badass name. I like it, I like it. I'm betting his last name or her last name is Falk Received a level one membership. Thank you very much, guys. Every time that happens it's very, still very weird and surreal to me that somebody would pay to a federal HST. I think he's talking about the rounds. I think I'm not a gun nut, guys, I don't know everything, but I think that's what he's talking about. Acorn, are you just a fan of Okaloosa County or just a fan? Country Girl, very cool of you. Thank you so much. And then mama g said country girl, so nice, I'm waiting around anything for you.
Speaker 2:Um, in this, when we were talking about the felony, stop. Um, he, you know the. The patrol unit stopped on the bumper to to close him in. Does distance, do you care about distance, or are you going to unass and get back to another vehicle?
Speaker 1:Um, I'm going to unass you know what, watching how this guy reacted the, the, the officer. I liked it. No, I agree, I think it saved lives, but I think he got lucky. Sometimes I'll take luck. Is it how I would have reacted? I don't think so. I probably would have found cover and then I probably would have found myself in a gunfight.
Speaker 2:Do you think that comes from always being in a two-man unit and always having as many units as they probably do in new york versus I'm? I would have been by myself on that call, yeah I think you're 100 right.
Speaker 1:They're so used to having, you know, you know a hive swarm mentality, because that's just how things have to be in such a populated, dense area. So I think you're right. Harrison Brock said two cops, one donut. My family members got appointed as police chief here in Kentucky. Holy shit, that's bad ass. Hey, if your police chief ever wants to be on here, brother, let me know. I'd love to have them on, be fun. Country girl said these guys have earned support. Hey, hey, now you're gonna make me cry.
Speaker 1:I for those who don't know, I am an emotional creature. I was just talking about. You know, what I started watching today on netflix was home improvement. That's how I grew up in michigan, y' so Home Improvement was like a staple because it was based out of Detroit. So watching Home Improvement I remember as a kid.
Speaker 1:The nostalgia hit me hard when that opening, because I watched the first episode of the first season prepping for this, and the music hit me so hard. The nostalgia hit me so hard because I remember running from playing football with my friends. We would try to stop playing, you know, it'd be dust time, the lights, street lights would come on and I was trying to get home in time to watch Home Improvement, to watch that opening song. Come on and man, the nostalgia hit me hard today. So I'm easily, easily emotional when it comes to stuff like that support and anybody that tries to help me out. Nico, he's like a bullet, eric, I get it. I get it. Oh man, mag dump said 100 facts. I couldn't fathom supporting an le six months ago. Holy shit. Now you definitely make me tear up, fucker. Tell me that. That's good.
Speaker 1:That's the whole goal of why I do what I do. It's to change, not the minds of people that already support us, it's to change the minds of the people that don't. That's who we should be reaching out to. Is it nostalgia?
Speaker 2:or is it?
Speaker 1:smoking.
Speaker 2:A little bit of both.
Speaker 1:I was sipping a little bit. Shut up, don't judge me. That's awesome. Oh man, no way, there we go. Harrison said you should watch Landman, based in Texas. I know I've been trying to. I have watched it. It's awesome. Everybody I've heard said that Wait until you get old, old Eric, everything does that to you. I am old, turn 42 tomorrow y'all. Tomorrow's my birthday.
Speaker 2:So, harrison, I actually live about 35-40 minutes From where that show is Centered after.
Speaker 1:Shotguns and tattoos. So what do y'all think of? Shows like cops or live pd? Love them, um, I love them. I love them because it's it should be unedited. I mean fairly unedited, um. Look into law enforcement. That's just. It's the call.
Speaker 2:It is what it is oh, it was that education going through the academy for me, like, right, you would, we would watch those during breaks and like, yeah, well, what would I have done?
Speaker 1:and you know, yeah, um, you know, and my dad was actually on cops um, as a cop, not as a bad guy. Bad boys, bad boys, yeah. So I grew up loving cops. You know, and I can tell you the whole format. It's going to be three calls, they're going to get through three calls in that episode and it gives you a glimpse. I think it gives you a glimpse. It's definitely not. I think what we do here probably does more than what you're going to see in a whole episode of cops. So, live PD I haven't really. I've caught an episode or two of live PD, but I never really got into it. So Perry said happy birthday, I'm 15 years older than you.
Speaker 1:The best part is, this will tell you guys how stupid I am. I'm going to stop sharing since we've gotten through this video. Let me tell you how dumb I am y'all. My wife got on to me. She's like I've heard you say on the podcast that you're 42. She's like you're not 42. You're 41. Because my wife's birthday is literally like 10 days after mine and we're the same age. And she's like you're 41. And she's like are you that dumb? And I'm like am I really Legit? Thought I was 42. I thought I was turning 43. So my wife kind of. That's how dumb I am. So just to let you all know I'm an idiot. Anyway, all right, let's get to the next video here. We're going to pause this guy and I'm going to share the screen. See, we're getting through videos quicker because I'm holding to the formula.
Speaker 2:To your own rules. There, buddy, I am.
Speaker 1:I'm listening to feedback. Y'all were like getting frustrated. I had quite a few people like we just want to get through a fucking video. I'm like you know what you right Enhance.
Speaker 2:That work right? No, it doesn't sound right. We got to have biggie size.
Speaker 1:All right, let's go. Don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Same agency. Is it really Yep? Okay, is it really Yep?
Speaker 1:Okay, I heard stop and don't reach. Don't reach, Yep, Automatically Doesn't matter what I see my gun's coming out. Yep, Doesn't matter what I see Gun's coming out. So that's how I'm handling this. I'm going to be using these cars for cover and concealment the best I can. The difference between cover and concealment for those who don't know concealment hides your body but doesn't protect you from bullets. Cover hides your body and protects you from bullets, Unless it's bulletproof glass. Then it doesn't hide your body but it protects you from bullets. Ooh, Inception, See what I did there. Alan asked when is?
Speaker 2:your birthday.
Speaker 5:It's tomorrow, the 12th buddy, I believe I was born your birthday 3 33 pm. So my dad's is the 13th, so let me see it.
Speaker 1:Let me see it all right, I am not going hands-on with my gun in my hand. I'm going to hold what I got. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands and not get drawn into it. If I go hands-on, my gun has to go in the holster. I do not like going hands-on with any weapon system in my hand. It looked like he pointed something at him. So, um things to consider your backdrop looks like you're shooting towards apartments or some sort of residential um, but at the same time somebody's pointing something at me you're shooting I'm shooting, I'm gonna put some rounds down range get down, get down, get down I was gonna say I swear, I heard more guns than just this guy did.
Speaker 1:Nobody hit him uh what the fuck did I just witness so?
Speaker 2:So many questions.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to keep going. The video keeps going, so holy shit. By the way, my birthday is on Abraham Lincoln's birthday.
Speaker 2:I just want to say Do you have one of those hats I wish.
Speaker 1:I'll wear it. I'll wear it on the podcast Get the fuck down, don't reach, don't reach.
Speaker 5:Get the fuck podcast. Get the fuck down. Don't reach, don't reach. Get the fuck down. Get the fuck down. Get the fuck down. Police.
Speaker 2:Oh my, I missed the first one.
Speaker 1:Oh, suicide by cop maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Jesus, that is fucking bionic.
Speaker 5:Get the fuck down.
Speaker 1:Get down, get down, jesus, please tell me they miss. I don't know how they missed.
Speaker 4:Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo yo drive the car, drive the car, drive the car 6-9, safety central that shot's fired 8-0-1, slap.
Speaker 1:The way he was acting makes me think he was like pointing at a wall or a phone. I didn't even Just the way he was behaving.
Speaker 3:Yep, he got hit right there, he just threw something right there, he just threw something.
Speaker 1:Right there, he just flung it. Okay, I want to point out, when he did that motion of throwing, did you notice everybody stopped shooting? Yep, that's amazing. That's something to point out, because they didn't just keep firing. I want to go back to that point. Pay attention to that part. That's actually something important. Firing Right there, he threw it. It's going to take you a quarter second, half second to register, realize that he just threw something. But that's the fourth science behind things. Holstern their guns back up.
Speaker 5:Stay with him, man, go, go, go, that'd have been me.
Speaker 1:Let me get the car, take the car, take the car, hey, run it. You got him.
Speaker 5:Stay with him car the ground get on the ground, get on the ground, get it.
Speaker 1:Just an amazement like, what do you do? Oh, oh, there's the gun let me see your head let me see it right there right there.
Speaker 1:If you go back, you can tell the officer approaching this officer up here I don't know if you can see my mouse, but um, he can't see this gun. No, that's something important to recognize, because he could have just done a contact shot here had he registered that gun, but he didn't see it. All he heard his partner saying was don't reach, don't reach. Nobody yelled out gun yet let me see it.
Speaker 1:Put your hands down so he turns and points it at him and I think that's what basically kicked off the encounter, because he was up close and personal and and saw the gun personal and and saw the gun he was in his face.
Speaker 2:Holy shit. I cannot believe that the victim didn't get shot.
Speaker 1:I can't either.
Speaker 2:So that's a lot of people, a lot of cops around, so when he gets out of the car, there's, uh, the, the driver says to the passenger stay with him. So they were dealing with an op or something. Somebody's arrested in the back seat of that car and, yeah, when they run up, the the only thing that, um, I'm, I'm curious how I would have reacted with that victim there. He, he took cover because you know that's what you do when bullets are flying at you. You know, it's just amazing. Like you were saying, I don't know if I would have gone and tried to protect her at all, but you know it, it makes you wonder how she didn't get hit.
Speaker 1:Right Magdump mentioned, lapd shot a pickup truck over over 100 times a dorner pursuit. It does ring a bell. I just can't uh remember. I mean I didn't remember I'm turning 42.
Speaker 2:I thought it was already 42, so well and and we've talked about it or you, prior to me joining the show you guys have talked about the range and putting a t-shirt over uh targets and things like that and you know, you don't know that bullets didn't hit him, because his adrenaline's going too.
Speaker 1:We don't know if he's on some kind of something yeah, um, I had a night said hey, it's alan and that other guy shut up.
Speaker 2:I stand with alan. I love it.
Speaker 1:Fuckers, shut up. We are trying to get Alan added to the website, along with Kat, and I think those two are the latest that we've been trying to get on there. The problem was we didn't initially add Alan because Alan was going to be behind the scenes. There he is, so if he's going to be on the show more often, well, fuck it, I'm gonna add him to the site and he can be a personality. He doesn't have to be an all-time personality if he doesn't want to be, but if he wants to be, uh, he seems to have the support of the people, so to speak, and now I am using some of this they just like it that I'm here to bring the show when you're not fair.
Speaker 1:Fair, uh, that makes me popular dray g said no reason to close the distance like that when you know he's reaching and y'all have the force multipliers. Wait until you have some kind of compliance distance times tactics. I don't disagree with that, don't know I?
Speaker 2:I don't disagree with that, I don't disagree at all. The only thing we have a victim really close. Could you have run up there? You at least generally always have armor.
Speaker 1:They don't and to what Alan said too you can't tell that those rounds are hitting if you're not getting. I can tell you right, I wouldn't have thought any of the rounds hit this dude Right the way he's acting. You shoot until the threat's neutralized. That this is what we're referring to you. You, you're looking for a response. You didn't see a response on that. The dude just kept walking through whatever he had in his hands and they just kept walking. So, um, freeman keys, nice shirt, alan. Where did you get that? You know where you got it. Retro rifle, hell yeah. Oh shit, we got to give a shout out. You have to give a shout out. Duck ninja dad, which already just by the name and looking at the picture, because I'm a jeeper.
Speaker 1:I'm a jeeper without a jeep. I've had three jeeps in my life. My very first vehicle was an 89 wrangler hawaiian edition. Oh wow, Red, straight six baby that got passed on to me through my stepdad had 50,000 miles on it. It's wonderful. Didn't know what I had at the time. You know he's a 16-year-old kid. That was my first vehicle Standard. It was one of the rare Jeeps that actually had a little bit of AC to it, Not much but it did have an AC unit.
Speaker 2:Do you need AC in that place In Michigan? Yeah, it gets humid in the summertime.
Speaker 1:People don't know. But Duck Ninja Dad just became a Baker's Dozen level member, which is our top tier. So thank you very much, dude. Thank you very much. That's huge. So definitely know that anytime you have a question, sir, I'm going to make it front and foremost. So, because that is that is huge. Um, anybody uh, taking their hard-earned money and putting it towards us is very humbling. So thank you very much, sir steve wallace, he doesn't ask a lot on here. Steve usually says hi and then he lurks. So with how many people you have on the team now, you could do a live every hell. No, sir, you gotta understand. Steve, I'm the one, and now alan, we're the ones that run it.
Speaker 1:I've been doing this shit on my own for so long. I was was getting burned out. It wasn't that I didn't want to do it, I just between work. You guys know I'm still a full-time cop and I work midnights and I'm in the military. So I got a lot of things I got to do and I'm a dad two nutso daughters. So I wish, I wish I could.
Speaker 1:But that's kind kind of the point of growing is getting more people and being able to get to the point where I don't have to do everything. So that's where we're trying to get to. Now the next part is going to be these people aren't going to do all this for nothing. You got to get paid too, so they're right now they're doing it for nothing. So even Alan shit Alan's probably done more work than anybody else. It's been a part of the show came over and did hours worth of work to make us have internet in here and, um, a whole bunch of other stuff behind the scenes. So, uh, we're trying trying to get everybody paid. I'm trying to find sponsors and stuff like that. Youtube ain't going to pay the bills, like, probably. It's a process, buddy, it's a process, funny, it's a process. You gotta grow a lot more and get a lot more members in the youtube community and then I gotta try not to get banned on youtube.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the fuck I did. I don't know what I did. That's different from doing these lives to to whatever was on that that short that I had done. So, uh, okay, buck up, kiddo, you're only 42. Appreciate it. Oh shit, jeep people need dimmer headlights. Why do they have to have put nuclear lights on the front of those? You don't know what ducks they have.
Speaker 2:You mean the duck orders?
Speaker 1:That was not a thing when I had my Jeep. The duck thing was not it. It was not even a thing yet. So let me see.
Speaker 2:It's gotten pretty ridiculous though. And. I'm a Jeep guy too, so that's All right, let's get to the next video.
Speaker 1:Here we are two hours in, I understand. I wish to proceed and enlarge.
Speaker 2:Still doesn't sound right.
Speaker 1:Good try, though. Uh, alright, we're giving commands. Um, All, right, we're given commands. I don't know, this looks familiar.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1:I think I've seen this, but I can't figure out why yet.
Speaker 5:Get on your knees, get on the ground, get on the ground, get on the ground, get on the ground.
Speaker 1:Get on the ground. Get on the ground, get on the ground. Get on the ground, man. Okay, we've got three officers. Everybody's yelling get on the ground with very close distance. I'm going to put my gun away and just tackle the ass.
Speaker 2:Two have a gun out and one doesn't.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it just depends. I can't see anything in his hands. So if I can't see anything in your hands, if I think your hands are empty, I'm going to two-leg you, I'm going to take you down, I'm going to go old school, I'm going to tackle you Biggie size it brother. Biggie size it, brother, biggie size it. Hey, what's that sound?
Speaker 1:we got there deep, booming voice that just makes girls you know I'm gonna gas them from miles away I'm gonna sleep better tonight I always sleep better when I hear banning's voice. I got him. I got him on that white noise app. You know, I've just taken every podcast I've done and just recorded his voice alone, and then I just fall asleep to it. Well, I mean, I do other things first and then I fall asleep to it.
Speaker 2:Banning as your internet slow.
Speaker 1:His face is frozen on a smile. Hey, we're going to do this real quick, guys. We're going to stop sharing and we're just going to. No, we're going to do this. Watch this. Oh no, I lost him before I could do it. I was going to make his face blow up. I was trying to give everybody.
Speaker 2:I saw where you were going with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you knew what I was going to do All right, let's go back to sharing, and we are already biggie-sized. All right, let's keep going. Get on the ground. I'm coming, sir. Get the fucking back. Okay, I have seen this. I've actually done a reaction video to this, so this will be a good video. I won't say shit. Have you seen this, alan? I have not, okay.
Speaker 4:He's running Down bridge sir, we got actors on the ground. He's running down Brett's shot. We got actors on the ground. He's running towards.
Speaker 1:Homestead Very calm, the way he called it.
Speaker 4:Green long sleeve. Green hats, gray hoodie. Hey, stop running, he's still running, see that speed pick up baby.
Speaker 1:Now he's going down, Put that weight of that equipment on the screen. Going south on Homestead for a quick shot.
Speaker 5:He's coming back up. He's going north on Homestead. Hey, stop, oh shit, watch out, move, move, move, move or you go Get your shit, get your shit. Oh shit, careful, don't move, don't move. I'm here, don't move. Careful. Do you have control of your gun? Don't move, don't move, ahmed, don't move. Careful, do you have control of your gun? Do you have control of your gun? He's down. Do you have control of your gun, ahmed? How you doing? I'm good, careful. Does he have your gun? Still? No, okay, careful, if his hand is on your trigger, be careful. Still got my gun. Dude, stop rocking the streets. Hey, get down. Careful, careful, careful. His head is on his gun. Be careful, you, alright? Did he get shot? Yes, he's down, are you okay, brother? Hey, my man, you good, start taking your stuff off. Make sure you're not hit. Make sure you're not hit, okay.
Speaker 1:Oh, this one didn't show the other angle. That's all right, we don't need it um, so I'm gonna stop sharing.
Speaker 2:I've seen this one um alan, you never seen that, so no no you know that that mental right now, you know my blood pressure is doing, you know I'm not even there, right, you know. So, back up before that, you know they tackle him, get him to the ground. Generally that's a good move. Yeah, um, you know, somehow the suspect gets to his gun and the other officer comes up and and and fires around because he has been told he's got my gun. And you know all of that's legit. Um, the only you're that close. Uh, you know, I don't know if you don't shoot somewhere else. And uh, make sure that he's not going to hurt your partner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the biggest risk of taking multiple shots. So from my perspective again, I've watched this, I've talked about this one before he tries a body shot, a contact shot to the body, but he was trying to. You could tell the officer was very conscious of where he was angling his gun and that doesn't matter if it hits a rib bone, it hits anything. That bullets going to go wherever the hell it wants to go. Yep, shit. We can't even agree on what happened to Kennedy. And he just shot that guy. Am I bullet went everywhere, magic bullet. So the the bullet went everywhere, magic bullet. The bullets move around there. He is Banning Bad internet, brother, sorry, oh no, you got that hotel internet going on.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I do it's the blue light special man.
Speaker 1:To my point of the contact shot. He took that shot and everybody's holding their buttholes on that one, I guarantee it, everybody Because we don't know where that bullet's going to come out. He could have still hit the cop, so something to consider. And then he went for a shot he knew was going to stop the threat, because the guy was—even after being shot, was still trying to pull the gun. He didn't just fire and then fire and fire, and fire and fire. He fired and then he assessed, he stopped, he looked, he waited to see did this round have an effect? And you can hear the panic in the officer on the ground. He's like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, like he doesn't know if that gun's coming out, whatever it is.
Speaker 2:You know there's only other one place that you place that to to end that task or that resistance. But even then, you know muscles can do amazing things after shots are fired. And, um, you know if he's got his finger on the trigger.
Speaker 1:You know the only thing you can pray is it's pointed to bonnie or butter armor, yeah and so even after the guy was shot point blank in the head which we saw that happen um his hand was still around the gun yep so, um, that is that's a point to uh to consider.
Speaker 1:And they, you could see they had to literally peel his hand, even after he was shot in the head. It doesn't mean the body twitches, there's all sorts of weird things that happens while the body's dying, which I believe that's probably what was happening there. So Andy Fletcher said agree, 100%. Marine Blood Eye of the Night said yeah, that made me pucker and I wasn't even there. Yeah, shit gets you amped up sometimes, man, watching that Mag Dump the, the very internet friendly.
Speaker 2:Play stupid games, win stupid prizes you know, so, backing up in that video, like when they first got out of the vehicle, you made the comment right up front. You know, um, we don't even get to that scenario if we we handle it and do business a little earlier yeah, um, I mean, that's the hope.
Speaker 1:Uh, he obviously knew what he was going for, because once they went to the ground, he instantly just honed in on trying to get the gun. So who's to say that that wouldn't have happened right there in the grass? However, yeah, you had all you had all three officers right there, versus what we just had at the end. They got spread out. Everybody got tired.
Speaker 2:Well, and you all said it many times on this show, especially you and Banny on. You know, sometimes if we elevate our you know in the initial, you punch them one time, something you know. You have less of an issue later on right.
Speaker 1:You elevate your use of force early on in the encounter, which sometimes looks harsh, because you know somebody has a clenched jaw and they take a bladed stance. And then you see me who recognizes that as a fighting stance, and this person's about to do some dumb shit, and I just open hand, slap them to the ground and then take them into custody. People are gonna go what the fuck? That guy didn't do anything to that cop and he just slapped the shit out of him and that's, that's excessive force. And then I try to tell him like listen, if I'd have handled business later and hesitated, it could have led to something like this versus handling business up front. That is a hard concept for people to get that have never been in a fight.
Speaker 2:And it's completely agree. You know I had never heard it put like that until y'all mentioned it on this show, and I really completely agree with that mentality.
Speaker 1:Now, Now, now think about that, alan. You've been in police work. How many years. 16 years, 16 years. I've been in it at 18.
Speaker 2:Yep, and here I am shedding something new on use of force that you had never heard before, yep, so and I mean it makes complete sense when you break down certain incidents I've been involved in, other people have been involved in. You know, just sometimes you you have to to end the situation quicker, and de-escalation doesn't always necessarily mean you have to just shut up. You know, it can be rising above somebody else's threat or volume or physical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it that's one of the things, um, I'm trying to to get across to, especially our anti-cop crowd or untrustworthy police crowd, is I'm like, listen, a lot of times some of these situations turn into a shit storm, like the one we just watched, because we didn't handle business up front. Yeah, and some of the pressure that these cops are getting from citizens for being too heavy-handed is exactly what leads to somebody getting killed later on because we didn't handle business and weren't heavy handed up front, right. So it's a hard argument to make, because then you've got the counter, which I kind of agree sometimes. Well, de-escalate it. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. This de-escalation was not working with this guy, no matter what happened. So, um, so, yeah, let's go, let's go on to the okay did we, we did not, okay, um, what are you up to tonight?
Speaker 2:ban Banning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, banning. Talk a little bit while I pull up a video.
Speaker 2:Where are?
Speaker 6:you at. I'm in Dallas in Deep Ellum at a hotel. We're doing our Mark 43. I always say I'm not a sales guy but our company is a big sales community, so I guess I am in a sense. But this is our big sales kickoff event where they bring in engineers and so forth and show us all the neat new widgets that that mark 43 is going to have for law enforcement across the country and, quite frankly, man, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's badass. So that's awesome.
Speaker 6:I'm here with some, some badasses, man, I mean these people, the founders that created it to the ceo, to, to these sales guys to go out there and bust their ass freaking every day to get these agencies hooked up with Mark 43. And it's kind of an awe in their presence, man, they're good folks. But I guess tomorrow we're going to do a roundtable to where my team we're business development basically the executive group is what they call it. They're going to roundtable us to work or fireside chat to where all 100 employees that are here will be able to ask us questions and where can they insert our team to help and open up doors. That type of thing.
Speaker 1:Where can you insert banning into?
Speaker 6:you Not many places, man this just got strange.
Speaker 2:Where can banning show up?
Speaker 6:and it gets strange 300, 320 pounds of love, brother, hell yeah his sweats get in my eye and somebody asked that I did I somebody asked did I trim my beard? Yeah, I went to a different barber and there was a communication issue.
Speaker 1:So I like it. I think I think you look a little slimmer. You probably know how to deal with four inches buddy wow uh, look at him blush. Look at him blush. Oh shit at him blush Love it. Oh shit, I did give you a shout-out Banning, I thought it was all about you.
Speaker 6:I heard you man. I was down there watching them with an earpiece in my ear watching y'all Nice Listening, so yeah, Good stuff.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it, appreciate it very much. I pulled up an extra video just for you Banning, since you're here. Oh, outstanding, let me, uh, let me. I understand, I wish to proceed. Biggie size, and all right how you doing good. You have any ID on you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ma'am All right, good on her. I like that Didn't just let him start digging in his pockets. So far, I like how this encounter is going. Hey, do you got any ID on you? Da-da-da-da. My only thing is is, do we have an offense? So this guy? For those that get mad oh, this cop doesn't have any right to his ID, true? I don't think so yet, based on what we see. I don't know the background, but based on what we see, I would agree we don't have a right to his ID. But he's getting it out because the cop asked.
Speaker 6:Right now we're at a consensual encounter.
Speaker 1:This is what's considered a consensual encounter.
Speaker 2:So you just asked him for his ID and he reaches in his pocket, you have a problem for him reaching in his pocket.
Speaker 1:I don't have a problem with him reaching in his pocket, but I'm also going to if he starts digging. Him reaching in his pocket, but I'm also going to. If he starts digging, yep, I'm going to say, hey, real quick, let me, let me pat that part down as you're digging into. I just want to make sure I don't feel a gun right, um which?
Speaker 6:but we also get. We also got to be careful not to cross the line there, because it's right yeah, yeah yeah again, it's the hard part we don't know enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's something probably. Yeah, we don't know enough. Yeah, there's something probably. Yeah, we don't know enough yet. So let's say I'm going to play devil's advocate on myself. Let's say I have nothing else other than the fact that I see this kid on the bike and I come up and I ask this question. No, I shouldn't be patting him down, because I asked for the ID Now. So I will acknowledge that part.
Speaker 4:But we know that that's probably not the case. Andy, just tell me your name Matthew Fallerman. What's your name?
Speaker 2:Matthew Fallerman Fallerman, fowler. Fowler M-A-T-T-H-E-W.
Speaker 4:Fowler, I don't need you. Yeah, you're good. I don't need you to grab for anything.
Speaker 1:I like that he's showing his waistband I feel like he's trying to. Okay, they know this guy. This is where I'm like. They know who this guy is. They're making contact for a reason Whether he's wanted or he's trespassed from this place and they knew that something's weird. He's got a gun. He's got a gun.
Speaker 1:Beautiful. So in the struggle, he's got a gun, he's got a gun. Beautiful, so in the struggle, he's got a gun, he's got a gun. People don't just start fighting that have guns like this. But I'm curious why we made contact. That will help the story for sure. Let me go.
Speaker 5:Let me go, let me go, let me go, let go Two.
Speaker 1:Let go. Oh my God, what the hell just happened. No same where you are, Same where your shot's fired.
Speaker 2:Shot's fired.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's it. I got to see what the details said.
Speaker 1:The other one was wrestling with him and the gun came out yeah, but we heard a shot, so I don't know who fired that shot. So I'm going to read the description real quick. It says um, tampa bay, florida. On february 4th so fairly recently, 2025 at 10 am, tampa bay police made a police detective with 21 years of service and a corporal with nine years of service were conducting a follow-up investigation on an unrelated robbery at the Azula North Apartments. While in the complex parking lot, they observed 23-year-old Matthew Fowler trying to enter vehicles and open an apartment doors. During the attempt to identify Fowler, a struggle ensued. He then drew a Glock 9mm with an extended 30-round magazine and fired on the officers. Neither officer was struck. One officer returned fire, but Fowler was able to flee the scene on foot. A perimeter was quickly established and Fowler was not struck. One officer returned fire, but Fowler was able to flee the scene on foot. A perimeter was quickly established and Fowler was not struck. He was apprehended a short time later. His gun, a Glock 9mm, with a stent magazine, was recovered in a nearby dumpster.
Speaker 1:Fowler has been charged with two counts of attempted first-degree murder of a law enforcement officer. Two counts of resisting da-da-da-da-da Okay of a law enforcement officer. Two counts of resisting da-da-da-da-da Okay. So let me stop sharing that. So the officer's observing somebody trying to get into vehicles and then try to get into an apartment, trying to open their doors. That right there alone is enough to stop and detain and figure out more of what's going on. So banning. Since you're just joining us, I'm I don't want to hog all the the glory here. You go ahead, buddy no I felt, the same way.
Speaker 6:we didn't know all the details coming into it and it's nice to read that after to kind of figure it out. Um, I don't think I don't have an issue with the totality of this call at all. Unfortunately, you know, it ended the way it did, but it happens, man, and I'm sure that this complex has probably had, unfortunately, a lot of problems in the past and depending on the area and the crime rate in the neighborhood. But it looks like that to me, that they're being proactive, going out there and trying to make a difference, and that's that's what it's all about. I mean getting out of your cars and walking these complexes, people to see you, kids to see you our next generation of people, so I think it was a good.
Speaker 6:I mean unfortunate in the way it ended. It sucks, but it's good that they were there. I mean he could have gotten into a tussle with somebody else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Tim was reading my mind over here. He said wait, she was that close and fired three times and missed. She needs to go to the range and practice. Yeah, I can't believe they missed from right there.
Speaker 6:True, true, but, eric, you know as well as I do what happens at the range. Good departments will stress, inoculate you and you're going to go into the right training. Then you have other departments that are checking the box every year and they're giving you your 50 rounds. You got a firearm instructor out there and you're shooting at that bad Mr Paper.
Speaker 2:Because it shoots back.
Speaker 6:Yep Right, and you got to get more dynamic training within every law enforcement agency across the country to be effective with that. I think, unfortunately, that might be what we had in this situation to where strike inoculation, going up blood pressure, everything, and even at that closer range, I mean, they're just not dialed in yeah, well, shit with elon.
Speaker 1:With elon around the corner, baby, I have a feeling we're going to be able to make policing great again, and what we're going to do is we're going to have interactive robots that while you're at the range and you're firing, you're shooting at robots that are shooting sim rounds back at you.
Speaker 6:Yeah, tell me that would be fucking awesome that would be.
Speaker 1:Oh, I would have so much fun having like a gunfight with a robot. That'd be fun. What did you do at work today? Fucking got a gunfight with a robot. That's what I did Fuck around and find out. It was on easy mode, but I owned his ass. It's like fighting a bot, you know.
Speaker 5:That's a lot of video game.
Speaker 1:I can destroy CSGO on easy mode, baby.
Speaker 6:That's right.
Speaker 1:Expert mode not so much.
Speaker 6:So the timing of the gunshot in that video I kind of like. Ugh, it's the leg of my chair you broke the chair. Well, the way it looks, it looks like somebody's hammered it back in several times. I think it's been broken. I'm just going to take it down. Mama G said how about RoboCops? No, I think it's been broken.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they can take it down. Mama G said how about Robocops? No, I think we learned our lesson from the movie. They have Robocops out there. No, yeah, in that one. I think this is my gut instinct on this. I think they got fucking lucky, I think they showed up to something and I'm betting the staff at the apartment complex was like that dude's a problem he keeps looking at him right now and they were like, oh shit, well, let us see what he's doing. And they were like they were in way in over their heads because they're detectives and corporals. They don't do this stuff on the street every day. And they tried to do what we just saw and it turned into a shit storm because they're not patrol guys.
Speaker 2:So how many times are detectives in that training? Every day they get into that routine of their investigators.
Speaker 1:Yeah yep, we do need to get banning to get a fucking better webcam, that's for sure. What is the deal? Come on Banning, get a little mini tripod that screws on and you can put either a DSLR.
Speaker 3:You can put a 4K Just put an Osmo on it.
Speaker 2:It comes with a tripod, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, this guy knows Osmo, osmo. How much is that Osmo?
Speaker 2:He works for Mark 43 43. I think they can buy a freaking camera. He needs to do podcasts.
Speaker 6:Here's the reality, I've got a camera for this, but this is my, this is my work computer and it won't even install the small amount of software it needs to run it. So I need to get a new laptop that's what it is.
Speaker 1:We got bannon's got to get a gaming laptop they can handle and find the it guy and say hey, your computer is crap.
Speaker 6:Well, this thing's so small. I look like linus at the piano when I'm perry lemley said your chair is an impact weapon.
Speaker 1:Banning.
Speaker 6:It is. It is I'm playing the balancing game right now, so I don't freaking go into the drywall.
Speaker 1:Look, everybody that wants to go to sleep to Banning's image at night can't do it because your picture's too fuzzy. That's the problem. Freeman Keys, love you guys Crashing imminently. Can't wait to see you all again. I'm a Yankee but lived to the south 10 years ago. Love it Now in two female cops as partners normal, or should they make it male-female partners?
Speaker 2:I have a problem with it. That part doesn't bother me at all, they just it doesn't matter, it's just the training.
Speaker 6:What's their motivation when they're exiting that?
Speaker 1:The whole point behind a Batman belt is it's an equalizer. It's to help you out when you're overburdened. Because even me, with all the martial arts training, the stuff that I have, that doesn't do me a lot of good. If I go against the banning, banning is just going to grab me and I'm going to be fucked and I'm going to have to rely on it.
Speaker 6:I'm going to wrap you up and you're not going to be able to take a breath.
Speaker 1:Right, I am going to have to go to everything else on my Batman belt. All the years of training go to everything else on my Batman belt. All the years of training is going to. I'm going to have to hit the perfect storm of luck to be able to handle him physically, so it's just not going to happen. I'm 190 pounds.
Speaker 6:Good, good training, Doesn't matter oh.
Speaker 2:I'm going to win that fight, but you know it's going to be a whole different. You know there's going to be. You know, yeah, there's gonna be. You know, and I always say it's called cheating, but it's called I win. And why do I win? Because I win right yeah, you know, I had to do my daddy. Uh, daddy, mr daddy, I think it adam sandler maybe I can't think of the name of it uh big daddy, yeah, big daddy. Why do I?
Speaker 1:win, win, yeah, the game they made up. Uh-oh Rico trying to bring that fire to him right now. Okay, ladies, don't get mad at me. Women shouldn't be cops there, I said it, unless they're former strippers who had at least two pimps. That's my view. Oh shit, yeah, I'm not even going to touch that.
Speaker 2:That's my view.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, yeah, I'm not even gonna touch that like I feel cat's gonna like show up all of a sudden right now. I will say, funny, I'll give you credit funny. But um, honestly, honestly, uh, some of my best partners have been females and and it's the compliment of each other when my words don't work, hers do. Where her words don't work, mine does. It's that left brain, right brain way of thinking, both sides of the brain way of thinking. I've had great, great luck and success. I've had females. Save my ass Angie Mapes, if she's out there listening I was physically trying to cuff somebody.
Speaker 1:A dude went to sucker, punch me from behind. I didn't even know what was happening. She got in there and just hooked arms she to stop the punch and then held on um long enough for for us to get help and and I mean it was, it was amazing. So there are some badass females out there. So, but and I know some skinny, worthless males that have stood by while I'm in a fucking fight for my life and, uh, didn't do dick to help me. So, um, I even had one tell me afterwards like, oh, you didn't have the right, you shouldn't have hit them, right.
Speaker 6:But you guys know as well as I do, there are some dudes out there that have no business being in this profession because they can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag or they're overly aggressive. Yep.
Speaker 1:And they shouldn't be cops because they're being aggressive.
Speaker 2:And there's some females like that, well, and, and they shouldn't be cops because of their being aggressive, and there's some females like that. From what the female officer was doing, it's just, it goes both ways. It takes all kinds to do this job and you know, tim, you know I don't think it matters if two females are working together. It's how they play off of each other and they've got to be ready. Part of the thing is, when you put that Batman belt on, you have to be have your mental mind ready to be able to do the job.
Speaker 1:And if you for a minute think that it's not going to happen today, then that's when it's going to happen. I think what the root of our conversation should be is hiring standards. Yep, really, that's what it comes down to. Who are we hiring?
Speaker 6:Because? And then the maintaining of those standards throughout their career.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:That's big. I mean, there's a lot of agencies, Eric, and you know it as well. Man, you have to be here, here and here to get hired. Okay, you're in, and then it's like gone by the wayside. Yeah 50 rounds every year. You're good, I'm by the wayside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 50 rounds every year You're good. Yep Eye of the Night makes a great point. He's like like with cops in general when cops are bad, it's hard to defend them. When female cops are bad, it makes it hard to defend them. It doesn't really matter male or female, I agree, and it doesn't help that when somebody is made to look bad it's a female cop and that becomes a more viral video than just the standard dude messing up Yep. But I can tell you we've sat there and watched guys that are 350 pounds but built different than Banning Banning's 320 or whatever the fuck he claims he is. He's fucking big, but he's country big. There's a difference. My man could throw a bale of hay up on top of the roof versus the dude that just sat in the basement.
Speaker 1:You know, been playing video games, eating hot cheetos still got that cheeto hanging out, which I love me some, some hot Cheetos, by the way. Oh my God, that's so addicting.
Speaker 2:I think you need another drink right there, buddy.
Speaker 1:You know what You're right I do. I deserve another drink. Love me some hot Cheetos. When I get in the house I'm going to destroy it.
Speaker 2:So what kind of dinner did we have tonight, Banning?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:What did you get on your fancy mark 43 dinner I? Had a beautifully cooked uh, steak man, I don't even. All I know is every bite. It was like I I could. Here's the deal. I used a butter knife to cut it, it just yeah, yeah, that's how I know.
Speaker 1:It costs more than I probably make in in three, four hours at work. Yep.
Speaker 6:You, son of a bitch. The person sitting next to me wasn't hungry, so I snatched that plate, yeah.
Speaker 1:Here's the real question. Here's the real question. Guys, you know that we're trying to get sponsors to help do this show and whatnot. We got Mark 43. We got other companies Retro Rifle, peregrine, let's see Insight, lpr. These are companies. Retro rifle, peregrine. Um, let's see, uh, insight lpr. These are all police related things, guys, what I want everybody to understand, if you hear us talking about police related sponsors, know that the sponsors that we encourage with our police is stuff that's going to improve policing. So I want you to understand and trust that everything. We're not just taking anybody's money Right now. We ain't taking anybody's money. We don't get paid. We're not getting paid by anybody fuckers but we're trying, and right now the ones that we're trying to get is because we morally and ethically align with them, because we want to improve policing. So that's what we're trying to get. So it's kind of cool. Um, have you talked I haven't talked to duncan donuts, I have talked to several donut places and they just fell through yeah that's just.
Speaker 1:And and they were local places. They weren't like places like they're, not like a timmy hortons or a duncan donuts or crispy cream. Um, I haven't talked to any of those guys. I don't, I don't know anybody to talk to and I right, it's a networking thing. I don't, I don't see that happen. It would be awesome. I would love that to happen, because I love me some donuts. But uh, perry lemley said investigators don't have much of a batman, but they don't. That's a good point. Typically, your investigators, when they go out, they have a radio, their gun.
Speaker 6:Maybe a backup mag.
Speaker 1:Maybe they don't really have anything other than that because they're not patrol officers. They don't need all that stuff for what they do day to day and in your agency.
Speaker 2:to become an investigator, do you have to learn to train without the Batman belt?
Speaker 1:No, but you bring up a point that I was just about to hit. When I would go out, I purposely bought a utility belt for myself, one of those. I call them like range belts. They don't go into belt loops or anything like that, they just go over top them. Like range belts. They don't go into belt loops or anything like that, they just go over top. But they had the mollies on them and I put my handcuffs, my gun, another taser holder and a radio holder on there and my pepper spray so I could just throw that thing on and I was ready to go if I had to go out and make contact on detective stuff.
Speaker 1:So for those listening and wondering what the hell I'm talking about, a detective sits behind the desk most of the time, but we have to go out and we have to collect evidence, we have to get video evidence, we have to get written statements, things like that. Well, if I'm going to go out in the public, I need to be ready just for shit like this that we just watched happen. But there's no training to tell me that, there's no requirements to make me do that. So for me I was like I'm not and I would actually have detectives make fun of me for carrying all that shit going out. I'm like we worked. I I was working in the worst side of town, where I'm at right on the east side, and I'm like you guys know like I'm like a second away from some bullshit happening right next to me. How do you not go out there like that?
Speaker 6:I don't get. It's just like when I was at my last agency being out in the county, I got called out because of our manpower all the time. So even if we were going out to dinner in town, I threw my. I have an exterior carrier for a uniform and I would just go ahead and just wear my gun and my badge, leave that carrier in my vehicle because it was going to happen yeah, that's when it happened.
Speaker 6:Is when you have radio we're at a steakhouse or whatever in jacksboro, just bring my radio because I knew I was going to start raining. And they start pinging me on the radio and I can just but I'm, I'm patrol ready. Yep, you go out with what I wear on patrol right there with me. So it's, it's uh yeah, the train man, you gotta bring the right stuff yep, okay.
Speaker 1:So I got one more video. Um, I this is not a body cam review video. This is one that we put out on our instagram and everything else. Um, and I just wanted to share it because we kind of did a mashup on this one and it was a good discussion starter. There was a lot of good points brought up on this, some that I hadn't even considered. So I thought it may be a good thing to talk about, just kind of wind the night down and have something fun to, to discuss, and on kind of a positive note at that. So I'm going to play this Does this get bigger? Oh, does that get bigger for you?
Speaker 2:It just yeah. No, that's bigger right there.
Speaker 1:That's bigger, all right, easy banning sicko.
Speaker 2:It's twisted freaky.
Speaker 1:In this video this officer clocks a car going 133 miles an hour. How you doing, man, Good?
Speaker 3:133 miles an hour. That's the fastest I've ever seen in 20 years. You got to slow down a little bit. What's going on? I'm stuck. Oh, okay, is there any paperwork on the car? I'll verify it. The guy acknowledged the speed. He said he's upset. You could tell he was shaking. Hopefully he'll calm down a little bit. Okay, registration license. Everything's good. I'll hand all that back to you. I deserve a ticket. I haven't had a ticket since 1981. Really, no, wow. Yeah, I mean the main thing going forward is just for your own safety and not to slow down. I mean if something runs out in front of you a coyote or whatever I mean you'll. Whatever's going on, you get it straightened out. I can tell you you're more important than whatever it is. So just remember that, hang out with the people that you care about or that support you, and to heck with whatever else is going on. You'll get through it. Thank you. All right, be safe. All right, have a great day.
Speaker 6:Scares me half to death.
Speaker 1:All right, so I'm going responses, um, but this was an interesting one because this is where you you guys in the audience, members of the two cops, one donut community, you guys bumped heads on this one big time. Some of you were like that's bullshit, he should have been arrested. And that's coming from some people that I've heard be fairly anti-cop he should have been arrested. And that's coming from some people that I've heard be fairly anti-cop he should have been arrested. And then there's others that were mad that he wrote a ticket. There were others that were mad that he didn't dig deeper. Why did he let him leave?
Speaker 1:There were others that wanted the officer to not preach. I was was like holy shit. So I'm just curious for those that are logged on right now, like what's your impression of this thing? Now I will tell you my impression. My impression of this was here you got an officer that he did a little bit of both. He did the enforcement side. He deserved a ticket. Could he have been taken to jail? Yes, 100% could have been taken to jail. But the officer took the time and recognized the social cues that something else was going on and asked some questions.
Speaker 2:Well, I think he had a responsibility to ask those questions because we are dealing with the mental health stuff going on.
Speaker 1:You never know if he says you know he was doing it because he was trying to hurt himself or something right and and that's the other thing too is like being on the roadside is one of the most dangerous places for an officer. So for those are like, oh, he should have done. He done, he should have dug deeper not in that position where he was at, and there wasn't enough to me to have to dig deeper. He didn't say, well, I want to hurt myself. He just said that he was sad and he was going through some shit and probably wasn't thinking straight. We've all been there. I think we've all been there, I've been there. So that's kind of my impression of it Banning what. Obviously you've done part of this before you've seen it, but how? What?
Speaker 6:explain how it was for you I mean it was the same for me, you know, just unfortunately. I've dealt with we all have dealt with situations like that. Um, with me personally, when the people say dig deeper, I'm one of those people. I'm gonna try to get somebody there and create a really safe area for a moment. I don't want to hold people up longer but I also want to make sure he's good to go before he gets behind that rocket ship again, or he may do a voluntary. He wants to get some help in this. Maybe this was the straw on the camel's back that broke it. That was pointed out to him. Maybe he's ready to talk to somebody we've.
Speaker 6:We've got to be understanding enough as law enforcement to to provide that for him, whether it's giving a ride, providing an ambulance, taking somebody for a voluntary or even an involuntary. You know edp is what we call it state of texas uh tour where you know we're signing off on a piece of paper and they're going to do a 24 to 48 hour hold and you get to speak to a psychologist and a psychiatrist and maybe get some things lined up to where it helps them in the future. You know I always hated doing that to somebody on a traffic stop or a call, but it's in the best interest of them and it's and it's. We've got to go that little extra route. I'm right there with you, eric, when you say it's the most dangerous place to be at.
Speaker 6:I don't know how many times I'm like hey brother, let's take the next exit. There's a QT. Let's get out of here and we'll go inside and get a cup of coffee together if he's got the time. But I want to talk to him a little bit and I just want to make sure he's good. Now. It's none of my business what he's going through, but I got to make sure his mental faculties are good.
Speaker 1:He doesn't want to harm himself or somebody else, yeah it. I don't think speeding in general should be a jailable, unless there are other factors like weaving around and not maintaining like, yeah, actually being a danger. Just driving fast in itself, I'm with you, especially on a freeway, expressway, whatever you want to call it. Driving in a straight damn line, like if you're in the fast lane, just on cruise mode, like, yeah, I'm, but you guys know me, I don't do a whole lot of, uh, traffic enforcement. I I make stops often but I don't write tickets. So, um, let me see there. Uh, he saw he was upset and shaking, though um, andy fletcher said not sure if you caught it earlier, but I don't care for discretion. Oh, let's discuss that.
Speaker 2:So then here's the next one. He said, so I want you to take both of those in.
Speaker 1:If you're going to cite or arrest me, you better do it all. See, I don't, I am. I am a hundred percent not with that, because I think most police work, the good police work, lives in that gray. That's where. That's why we have discretion. Discretion is what keeps the system from being overburdened, to begin with. And not only do the cops have discretion, so do the prosecutors. But guess whose discretion never gets checked? Your prosecutors. Their discretion doesn't ever get looked at Not that I've seen, but mine sure as shit does. And that is part of the problem. We've got one of the most overburdened systems in the nation. How do we help deal with that discretion? Discretion is a beautiful tool.
Speaker 2:Well, and the law isn't black and white like there's so much read into it, and so if you take away the discretion piece, right like now, you have people that, from all different walks of life, determined having to come up with the exact same conclusion. That's just not, you know, I I don't see that as a possibility yeah, so it.
Speaker 1:For me, the discretion side of things is the bread and butter of police work. The problem is it's not enough cops use it and then some cops use it to sparing or too much, so there's like a fine balance that needs to be done. You do have to take each call for what it is. You can't do any lump generalization of discretion. Each call by its own merits, each call, and there's a ton of fucking calls y'all, so we're not going to get them all right. But in this instance you got a guy, got. I mean, what would jail do for him after that discussion? Now if he'd been driving that vast and he's like fuck y'all, I don't give a shit, fuck everybody else out here. Well, it's not that he said fuck me so much, it's that it's, he doesn't care about anybody that's out here. I can't take that risk. Now you got to go to jail. Andy Fletcher said they are the worst. They rarely prosecute your bad ex-co-workers, your ex-co-workers. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:I guess when officers get in trouble they don't prosecute. It's kind of how I'm taking that.
Speaker 1:Maybe Can you clarify that, andy. Andy, I'm not avoiding it, I just want to make sure I understand what you said. Maybe this will help clarify. Yeah, but prosecutors have stronger immunity that cops too, also, and judges are even stronger immunity than that. So when we talk about qualified immunity and all that stuff, a lot of times you will hear me say it isn't the cops that you're mad at.
Speaker 1:That's the problem. It's the court system, because part of qualified immunity for all the rest of them falls on it, specifically aligning with a court case, which I'm with you, that needs to be altered. I don't agree with that. I don't think it should have to specifically fall to the precedence of another court case. But the prosecutors and the judges don't have the checks and balances that the cops have, and it's horseshit because more times than not, it isn't the cops, it's the courts. It's the courts and I can promise you the courts are not a friend of cops, not at all. More often than not I find myself frustrated because I know I've got somebody that is a violent criminal and I see them out in less than a year sometimes and I'm just like you want to beat your head against the wall. You're like this person is a menace and there's nothing I can do about it. I have no recourse. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 6:Banning got anything on that, he's like fuck, no, it's. You know, I've seen I've been in great districts, if you will, and I've been in horrible ones in reference to how the DA judge and this, and that I mean there's some that were there to hang officers for whatever, and then there's some that just wouldn't even look at the case, and that's horrible. I mean it's not. None of that is good for the community. You just gotta be neutral and look at everything as you should as a DA and a judge and and rule accordingly and either either get it on the docket or dismiss it, but do a full, full look at it.
Speaker 1:You want to see big change in the criminal justice system. Start putting these same requirements that you guys want for law enforcement on your court system and on your correction system. Yep, they should. If they're. If they're on the floor, they better have body cams going. That's for prisons. If they've got, if they're on the floor, they need to have body cams going. If we're talking about prosecution, they need to have body cams going. If we're talking about prosecution, then they need to have prosecution oversight monitors, just like we have for police police oversight monitors.
Speaker 1:I did a podcast with a police oversight monitor and it opened up my eyes. I was like you know what? It wasn't that I was against it, I just didn't trust it. Like anybody with new things, I didn't trust it. But then once I sat down and talked to somebody and did the interview with her um, I'm a huge fan. I thought it was great. I thought the conversation was amazing.
Speaker 1:Um rico said courts are more political than anything else except municipal courts. That's all about money and that's what I'm talking about. Like, why do we hold the frontline people, the police that are? We're basically pawns. Let's be honest. We're fucking pawns. Everybody knows it, the cops, we ourselves know it and we just we have to. We want to help, so we have to play around, we have to play with the rules that we have. So that's not an excuse for cops. There's definitely room for improvement, guys. So I'm not trying to make excuses for cops, but what frustrates me the most is the constant pressure on policing when there's zero on courts. Yep, and I cannot tell you how many times I've been pissed off. Where the courts I'm sitting, I'm like who's who's reviewing this and saying that we're going to release this person or this person's not going to be prosecutor, we're going to give that guy a deal. There's no oversight. There's no fucking oversight.
Speaker 1:That drives me through the fucking wall.
Speaker 6:I have entered a lot of cases, being a, you know, here in Texas family violence case with the appendix of strangulation, to where you have true victims and you need this person. The offender needs to go before a jury of his peers for what's going on. The offender needs to go before a jury of his peers for what's going on, and I have seen DAs reject a case based on name, based on, you know, political. The politics in the courtroom need to be eliminated. Politics and law enforcement, I believe, need to be eliminated.
Speaker 6:You know we've got to have a completely. It's supposed to be the justice system, right? Yeah, and it's, and it's supposed to be equal and fair for everybody and I can tell you right now it's not freaking equally unfair. So it's. It's disgruntling for me and every officer out there that are putting in airtight cases and we've done everything, and here's the bow on it. We're giving it to you all the evidence is there and then you find out a week later that the intake person didn't even take that yeah, rico brings.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, good, sorry, okay. Rico brings up a good point. He says, as a trucker, anytime I go through a town where their cops have brand new cruisers, I know they're aggressive on traffic and I want to get behind. The meaning of what he's saying is you get these agencies, especially sheriff's departments no offense to sheriff's departments, man, I know that's kind of what you came from um, they get through seizures, they get the money back through these seizures where they get to either seize a vehicle and then they auction it off and they get that money, or they get a money seizure on a dope doper or any of that stuff. And so when you see that that is one, that that's a, that's an incentive, yeah, and it's one of the they took away and they made it illegal to have.
Speaker 1:Um, what am I talking about? The? Uh, quotas, quotasotas. You can't have that. That's been a thing since the 80s, I believe.
Speaker 1:Quotas are not a thing, but they kind of still are, and I will tell you, as a cop, I know how they do it. Here's how the quotas are still enforced when you get into a specialized agency, when you get into a specialized unit such as, let's say, motors, where you get to ride a motorcycle all day. You, those guys get a lot of um, uh, overtime duties and and specialized duties where they get to work like football games and presidential and political things and all the all these different specialized events, step grants, step grants all of these of these things. They get these incentives, but the only way they get to stay in that unit is through their evals. And if their evals come through and their evals don't show that they're making very many stops and they're not doing very much and they're not producing for the unit, well then they dip and then now there's no reason to keep them on, so we can just put them back to patrol. And that's how some of these departments out there are doing quotas without actually doing quotas.
Speaker 2:Well, and there's a comment earlier Um, so in in Texas anyway, when you have a citation, a class C citation, and it's given to the courts, um, you would be shocked at how little of that money comes back to the agency or the local city. Um, you know that the money that you're seeing that goes back to the court system and to the state, it does not come back. Um, you know, I think it's like less than 20% of that money comes back.
Speaker 6:Here's how the breakdown is in Texas Cause working interdiction and doing seizures when necessary, either on on cash or assets through your County and this is 90% across the state of Texas. The, the DA's office will take 50% of that for working the civil forfeiture case. Now the officers started realizing this and they started working a lot closer with the DEA. If the DEA adopts your case, the DEA is only going to take 20% and 80% is going back to the department and that can go back into to general funds how seizure money works. It's not going into the officer salaries. Let me get that off the table.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely not going to the officer salary.
Speaker 6:It's, it's, it's, it's equipment, it goes towards everything, the tools, tools of trade, so to speak. But ergo, that's why a lot of sheriff's offices can. They're getting a lot of money seizures, you know, going westbound on the highway back to the source after the dope's been delivered, and they get that type of seizure and it can be used for purchasing vehicles, uplifting vehicles, paying for canine units, stuff like that, to help fund those type of activities, to make law enforcement better.
Speaker 2:That's how our agency got our rifles. I mean we wouldn't have rifles if it wasn't for that Right agency got our rifles.
Speaker 1:I mean that's yeah, we wouldn't have rifles if it wasn't for that right and and it's it's important to have these discussions and talk about because there's a lot of people that don't understand that it's still going on. So you want to talk about, like, don't get me wrong, if we're busting down, you know a meth lab and we seize a hundred thousand dollars and in the typical briefcase and you know they've got a couple of, let's just say, dodge chargers in the point, in the and we turn those into patrol cars like, okay, cool, not only did you do a good thing, you stopped the dope ring and this causes a lot of violence in the neighborhood and whatever. Everybody gets that logical argument. But you got to walk that fine line of does that incentivize you guys to create shit that isn't there? And that is where people have a problem is. Are we creating shit that isn't there? Where's the checks and balances? So, maybe create an asset for forfeiture monitor. That's not police related. That would be, uh, that would. That would be a fix to me, that that just like having a police monitor, or maybe that's part of the police monitor's job. I don't know, I'm spitballing here y'all, but unless we have these conversations, who's going to fucking have them and who's going to have what cops are going to have these with everybody else? Because it's not happening, apparently. I think that's part of the draw to what we do. We're willing to have these fucking conversations. So have some oversight, oversight, oversight, oversight, oversight. We need separate oversight. Um, I, I am. I've learned a lot about internal affairs over the last four years doing this show. Um, I actually have a lot of faith in internal affairs overall. Uh, I didn't realize the checks and balances they have. I plan to have another person on from an internal affairs background to really talk about how the checks and balances work and why they should be a little more trusted than what they are, because we always hear the same thing like oh, oh, of course they investigated themselves and found nothing wrong.
Speaker 1:Katherine video time. I got no more videos, katherine. Sorry, you got chat time now. You guys got to remember, too. What we do is we always upload these lives to our podcast and you are able to listen to them as well. So there are some people that they don't even watch it, they just listen. So I apologize, I got no more videos though. Seriously, so if you were here just for the body, cam videos might be a good time for you to bow out, because we're just going to talk police shit with y'all and figure out how to start solving problems that we have no way of starting to implement, such as oversight for asset forfeiture. Banny, you look like you got something to say, bud.
Speaker 6:No, and I know there's a lot of people in the comments that don't like asset forfeiture. I don't like how it's done in some states as well, but I don't have the power to change that. Anytime I did an asset forfeiture I mean we're talking several hundred pounds of methamphetamine or a lot of cash, and through that interview process you're finding out that it's illicit on how it was received and that's when the asset forfeiture goes, and we didn't. You know, a law enforcement officer has to look at it as the booking, me being the guy on the street. I've got to figure out, you know, if they're in a BMW, did they just purchase it? Do they still owe $70,000 on it? What's where?
Speaker 6:You know, I don't want a County or an agency to have to pay for a car. Send it to auction. They're going to lose money. It's a waste of taxpayer funds. But if they're truly doing something, bad bar none, that's the only time we would actually look at seizing assets and it is what it is. I know people don't like it, but we were. You know, our unit was very, very careful with how we did it. I mean, you've got to have a really bad person that are doing these types of activities to take something I got you.
Speaker 6:Eric, you're multiplying.
Speaker 1:I did. I had two cameras set up for you all tonight.
Speaker 2:Is that so you could have multi-personalities, like talking?
Speaker 1:on the show. Yes, it is Alan. Yes, it is Sorry. I had to have some fun with the cameras tonight.
Speaker 2:guys Do you get a shirt that's got like two different you know prints on it. Oh, like a half and half. Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I gotcha. For some reason our audience got into the 14th and 13th Amendment. Yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 2:Don't say that, because then you're going to get them all riled up.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know how that happened. I was going to say I don't even know how that happened. I thought you were going gonna say something else here's a brain teaser which constitutional amendment codified slavery? I would have got that wrong.
Speaker 1:I will say that I'm I wouldn't have known that one, because it was ratified december the 6th 1865 because I could tell you this right now I had nothing to do with slavery, nothing, nothing, not even my ancestors. So French, italian, french-italian and Chippewa, that's all my ancestors, none of which were slaves or owned slaves. Chippewas mine were all fur traders. I didn't have anybody in my family that was enslaved or anything like that. Gotcha, nope, oh yeah, you're that northern guy yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I was where everybody was trying to go because of the freedom. Yep, yep, very true. Um, let me see what ozark say. What do you mean? You don't know it all by heart, off the top of your head, y'all. I didn't know, my own fucking birthday. We had this discussion earlier tonight. Tonight I thought I was turning 43. My wife had to tell me I was turning 42 just saying so no, I don't have shit memorized.
Speaker 1:You know what? Thank you, lord, for these, because now I'm like yeah, you think you know the law. Hold on a second. Let me look up texas law. There it is right there, buddy, I told you was right and you can show them right there. Oh shit, tim said 635 amendment, I think.
Speaker 1:Is there that many? I don't think there's that many. 27. Constitutional country girls said mine either, Mostly French and Syrian. Oh, that's cool. Syrian's different. Don't hear that a whole lot. Eye of the Knight Irish and Scottish here. I thought they didn't get along. Forbidden love in Eye of the Knight's family.
Speaker 1:There's some scotch in that world. You didn't know your age, I didn't. That was part of what we were talking about earlier. Country Girl. You may not have caught it, but my wife had called me out because I have said, probably over the last year, that I'm 42. And she's like why do you keep telling people on your podcast you're 42? And I'm like because I am. She's like you're an idiot, You're 41. You're turning 42. Completely thought I was 42, y'all. You're 41. You're turning 42. Completely thought I was 42, y'all.
Speaker 2:We're going to have to do some more stand-up videos with you. That one I don't agree with. What that? I'm older. That you're fat.
Speaker 1:I don't know. That was probably for me guys, it's definitely for Benny. Benny is old and super fat. I am 192 pounds and I'm 5'11", so I'll let you all decide. If I'm fat, I do have chubby cheeks. It's just what the Lord's blessed me with. I've always had little chubby cheeks.
Speaker 6:I've got you in wait, just for my knee to my right cankle man.
Speaker 1:Big country bastard. Nassau County police in New York. They love asset forfeiture Really interesting, you know what. Maybe that's something I need to cover. Maybe that'll be let me get an asset forfeiture expert on here and then we'll we'll go to fucking town. We'll let our people destroy them. One of my favorite things about our audience, by the way, is they're a relentlessness that they will put on somebody that's an expert in whatever it is. So we got to get vaughn on. We got to do our qualified immunity episode. Um, I want to get a, uh, you know what? Maybe we can get mr billfold because he, he, seems to want to be the counter expert. So maybe we can get mr billfold and vaughn and then we'll. We'll keep it small because I don't want to have all of our cast on there. Um, you know, we'll just keep keep a small crowd and then, uh, let them to talk. I'll try to moderate with ban and then we'll see how that goes. What do you think about that Banning?
Speaker 6:I love it, man. Yeah, I'm sure we can reach out in our Rolodex and find some really good folks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Maybe we'll get Daniel on there too. How did you get that that big?
Speaker 2:I didn't, I just hit the show button, holy shit.
Speaker 1:Why is that so big? That's so weird. That's never done that. Anyway, jim Minor, I have a question, and I think he meant, granted, it's California. My friend just approached me. He went into Fresno County for his concealed carry weapon permit interview. The guy said he may not get it due to a juvenile record at 13 years old for stealing candy. I stole candy. Um, I'm just raising my hand. Uh, sounded strange to me. Does that sound correct? Fuck, no, that doesn't sound correct it.
Speaker 2:It does for that state just maybe, maybe for that state. I know two people that have gone through that interview process. Guys, it's like a year-long process to do that concealed carry, that's why we're in Texas.
Speaker 1:Guys, yeah, Guys choose your state wisely. I get it. Texas gets a lot of crap for some of the shit that it does. Trust me, I come from Michigan so I understand. But I can tell you down here I feel a lot freer than I do back home in Michigan. So you got to pick where you live In Texas. You know certain points. Point to point, it takes like 12 to 16 hours to get across.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying it's pretty big. I actually drove back from Scottsdale, arizona, on Sunday quicker than I could have gotten to Houston. It took me seven and a half hours to get to home from Scottsdale. It takes me a little over eight hours to get to Houston.
Speaker 1:Yeah, country Girl wants to talk about Pennsylvania versus Mims, which I'm pretty versed in. I've gotten pretty damn good at Pennsylvania versus Mims, so if that's something you want to discuss, I could definitely get into that. Oh, country Girl, I'm good at Pennsylvania, rush Mims. So if that's something you want to discuss, I could definitely get into that. Oh, country Girl, I'm glad you brought up Sean Paul Reyes, because we are actually trying to get him on the show. So that is going to be the idea that I plan to do. Again, keep it small. I want to have Banning Me, matt and Sean on, and then we're going to have Sean. I don't want him to feel like he's being teamed up on or anything. I definitely don't think he'd feel that way with Matt being there, but I would. I would love to have Sean Paul raise on, and that that's one of the things we're working on doing. Matt's pretty confident he can make that happen, so I'm going to leave it in his hands. And yeah, you're right, that would be a great freaking episode.
Speaker 2:Harrison Brock oh, she's touching.
Speaker 1:Harrison, shut your mouth, shut the fuck up. Ain't nobody, ain't nobody. You don't even believe what you just said. Who are you trying to kid? You cannot tell me, with your straight gap to smile, that you believe Kentucky's better than Texas. Come on, quit eating all that bluegrass. Which is Harrison out there trying to act like Kentucky's better than Texas? Oh man, nice try Harrison, nice try. Texas is an agricultural giant, not to mention oil. Oklahoma is like Texas' second cousin once removed. It does surprise me the animosity between Oklahoma and Texas as being the neutral outside third party, they don't like each other y'all. I don't understand it. Don't get it To me. It's all the South, they all deal with tornadoes, everybody's got to deal with tornadoes and Banning's over there not saying shit. He's like I'm from Oklahoma, no.
Speaker 6:Don't put that, juju on me.
Speaker 1:See, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6:I don't even want to be rumored I may spend some time in Oklahoma by the. Red River, but I'm not from Oklahoma.
Speaker 1:Mag Dump said Sean Paul Reyes really knows the NASA asset forfeiture stuff. Let's see, that'd be great, we could get him on. We could talk about First Amendment auditing NASA asset forfeiture stuff. See, that'd be great, we could get him on. We could talk about First Amendment auditing and asset forfeiture, asset forfeiture, anyway, it's a smoke wagon. Anytime I start drinking this red-labeled shit, my brain just shuts down. I was fine until then, are you?
Speaker 2:going to have to have an escort inside again.
Speaker 1:I know, know, right sean will tell you, just like I do, the problem cops are far more widespread than you'd like to believe. No, I it's not. I don't believe it, I think it's just we're not talking about actual, real numbers. Yeah, 300 and okay, this is an approximate. I and you guys have heard me say this before 350 million calls for service. Okay, 750,000 cops in the nation, approximate Less than Less than 1% lead to a use of force or a complaint, and then .0006% of those are sustained warranted complaints or an excessive force. And that's coming from the uniform code. What is that called? Banning the uniform?
Speaker 2:code ucr ucr.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um. So my point is it there are problems in policing, for sure, but what we're looking at isn't as widespread as what people like to think and it's hard to. How do you, how do you even measure that? How do you measure that? How do you? We see the viral videos, but how many of the good videos are you seeing? That's why we make it a point to show the good videos too. No one shares the good, everybody shares the bad. And then when you consider that, when you do see the bad cops, how big is the agency? Is it a small agency? Is it a large agency? All these things make a difference. So just things to consider.
Speaker 1:And then the other thing that I tried to get into earlier is how many criminal justice system programs are there? How many criminal justice systems are there? 18,000 plus statewide, if you count, because every criminal justice system operates differently. What happens in Tarrant County versus Dallas County, versus Detroit County versus Denver County? I don't know if they have the actual counties, but how they handle their criminal justice system is different in every single state, in every single county and then in each individual city. It's fucking nuts. We have no continuity when it comes to the criminal justice system. Oh, what's that? Um oh, I thought somebody logged in. I was like what the fuck is that taking over my shit? That is the uniform crime reporting program, ucr.
Speaker 2:That's what I was trying to get to earlier um, that's the guy behind the scenes doing stuff he's supposed to do. Right, finally, one job.
Speaker 1:I'm done here. Oh, harrison said he's trying to justify his terrible Kentucky joke. I think I guess you did not get the joke about. The 18th Amendment declared the production, transport and sale of intoxicating liquors. No, I did not get that, sir. And sale of intoxicating liquors illegal. No, I did not get that, sir. I was not born during Prohibition. So you know what you know. What you don't understand, harrison Brock, is that if you have seven or more sex toys in your car, you are committing a crime in the state of Texas. If you decide to paint your chicken an unnatural color, you are violating the law in the state of Texas. Things to consider, sir, things to consider and the rookie is more likely getting that case.
Speaker 1:Get Izzo back on to talk. Oh for sure I can get Izzo on anytime. Me and Izzo are boys. You know what? I should have brought him on tonight, considering everybody bailed on us tonight. Everybody was busy. So, yeah, trey backed out last minute. So make sure you guys give the rookie some shit about cop accountability. Yeah for sure Fuck, if there's anybody.
Speaker 1:Now the problem is and Izzo stays very reserved when he's on my program because he knows I'm still a cop. This is why Izzo is such a good dude. He understands I'm still a cop. He is 100% the shock jock style. I can't be that. I can't do that. And I can't do it on the show because I can be fired, even though it's not me saying it, because I'm letting it happen. So I am very careful about what I do and who I have on. But iso is so cool and he is a I mean genuine dude. He's a cop's cop. He will come on here and, uh, I can paint my chicken any color I want to. Not in texas, bro. Um so yeah, I, I can have as iso on here anytime. He would do it in a heartbeat. Um so yeah, if you want iso on, I'll get him on again, not a problem. So I would love to have him on um, I just trying to think of when we'd have them on Jesus, country Girl, save your money girl. She just gifted another membership.
Speaker 6:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:The funny thing about the gifting of the memberships is it lands on somebody random, william Nelson. William's like I didn't even comment. Why the fuck did I get it? That's awesome. First and foremost, country girl, thank you very much. And then william nelson hey, buddy, speak up. Man, I don't think I've heard him look at mag dumps like damn it, I almost got one. He's like that's why you dye the chicken. It's not paint. Uh, I think it's just a man trying to get through loopholes here. Quit fucking with your chickens. Y'all Semantics.
Speaker 6:Semantics, semantics. Quit fucking with your chickens. And sometimes you're going to find chicken in those cars with the seven other things.
Speaker 1:Izzo, I will defend him. He's not a woman hater. He just doesn't believe that women should be in law enforcement. We disagree 100%, yep, and one of the great things about what I try to push out there, guys, is we don't have to agree, but we can still be friends and we can still talk Absolutely. That's why I don't boot anybody.
Speaker 1:If you got booted from our program, if you got booted from any of our platforms, you either got booted because you were being racist or causing for violence. Those are two things I have to do that I can do regardless. Or you just repeatedly ignored my pleas for you to not troll. I want to have conversation, I want to have discourse, but if your only intent is to troll, I'm not gonna let you keep fucking with with everybody else's time. So those are the only times that that happens. I don't. I've never booted anybody for trolling let's just put it that way, but I will. I, everybody that I have warned has stopped because I've straight up told them hey, I get it. You're trying to troll. I'm here for real conversation. I don't want to boot you, but I'm going to give you this is your one warning. Please at least try to have a conversation. I try to be sincere. It's hard to convey sometimes on the internet, but every time it's worked so far.
Speaker 1:Who else Tim gifted a membership. Look at Tim go. Tim's gifted memberships out there. And Pravis, a guy that deserves a membership. Not that the other ones didn't. Pravis has talked a lot on here. I'm glad Pravis got a membership. That's very cool. Pravis talked a lot on here. I'm glad Pravis got a membership. That's very cool. Pravis enjoy. Buddy Tim, thank you very much. You're a badass. Look, everybody's giving him props too. Tim. Nice Tim. Way to go, tim. Like that's cool. It's fun to watch the community kind of Get back and forth. Two cops don't, but you make it so easy to troll you, especially being sheriff. You motherfuckers, fuck you, fuck you. But you make it so easy to troll you, especially being sheriff. You, motherfucker, fuck you. Isla Knight, fuck you.
Speaker 5:I agree with this one.
Speaker 1:I agree with this one Cran eater over there. Damn Eric, your camera is amazing. What is it?
Speaker 6:No, it's his skincare line that he uses.
Speaker 1:Yes, I use the finest of Egyptian goat cum I put it on my face every morning.
Speaker 2:Sir, it just got awkward.
Speaker 1:I got Manning to laugh, that's all. I'm going for. Look at him. He turned red.
Speaker 6:I'm always red brother.
Speaker 1:No, it is a Sony EVZ10, I think it's called or EZV10, something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, EZV. Yeah, you said it right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever it's a DSLR camera sir.
Speaker 6:Mine says 1985.
Speaker 1:Banning is actually on a Russian potato, just so you guys know, the crayon eaters are the best of the best. Oh, get out of here. Yes. They couldn't score on their freaking ASVAB, so they just went with whatever the government would let them do.
Speaker 6:Get down and give me 25, Marine.
Speaker 1:Corps pussy. Hey, oh, country girl just gifted five fucking memberships. Are you shitting me what is happening tonight? It was the. It was the the skincare product joke. She liked it all right, let's start lining up everybody that got memberships from country girl. A baddie betty, which is a cool name. Let's see who else here. Uh, eli finn got a membership. Congrats, that's from. That's from country girl. Um, another one went to j beam hard scrote. The names are gonna get me. Okay, who's next? C Piss Off man. You guys are killing it tonight, oh, please. And then Will Cochran. I think that's a normal name. Thank you, country Girl. Jeez, thank you very much. Magdump, semper Fi. Country Girl News is on fire. I know what's going on. Somebody won the lottery tickets didn't they?
Speaker 1:Marine Blood, marine Blood. All the luxury hotels Eric's been in, because that's where the chair force puts them up. You're damn right, buddy. And guess what? I'm going to contemplate what you had to say the next morning on the on our golf course.
Speaker 6:so that's just what's gonna happen the marine corps never put me up. We're digging a fucking hole and using the shelter.
Speaker 1:Half man all right now we've got competition oh man, we got competition going on. Tim gifted one and it looks like that went to Tracy R, and then Harrison Brock gifted Jesus Christ. What is it? You guys slow down.
Speaker 2:I I don't even know what to say I actually kind of feel awkward.
Speaker 1:This is kind of fun. Freeman Key said hysterical, loving this. Tim said she's a badass.
Speaker 6:This is cool, let's keep going down that road. How long is the boot camp now for the Air Force?
Speaker 1:Like six and a half weeks. Six and a half weeks, hey, when you have a smarter crowd, it doesn't take as long to teach them Touche Touche.
Speaker 2:When you have a smarter, crowd, it doesn't take as long to teach them, hey, Benning. So we have to step up at the end of the month because Eric has to go play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the 23rd.
Speaker 2:I'm leaving.
Speaker 1:My report dates the 24th. Ah no, kidding. So y'all are going to have to step up. Oh my God, I got to get through all. Ryan Boyer, cat Turner, aka Psychic Kat Jim. We're just going to go with just Jim. I've never heard any of these people even comment, so it's just cool to see that they're watching Dave Banks.
Speaker 6:Somebody wrote 14 Days of Maui. That's what you're going to get.
Speaker 1:John Nunnery, I me, john Nunnery. I have heard John Nunnery.
Speaker 2:Eduardo Alonso Is the toll booth you go to, does it actually have air conditioning? Yeah, usually, and a fully running toilet hey that's fancy.
Speaker 1:You hear the talk that's going on right now. It's just jealousy. Wait a second, Alan, were you even in the military? No, fucking mouth, I wasn't. You almost got me the smoke wagon, almost covered your tracks there, son of a bitch. Yeah, here we go, mag dump, respect a10. Only part of the chair force is actually a grunt. Fair play, sir, fair play, I'll agree. They tried to retire that thing. And guess what? The Marines, the Army all said the fuck you.
Speaker 1:Marine blood said. Eric always gets a hole in one on chair force gold range because they move the hole to wherever the golf ball lands. Well, yeah S sons of bitches, shut up.
Speaker 2:Ah, so eric is slacking at the end of the month okay, so did y'all see the, the golf tournament or any of the the highlights from this last weekend? The waist man. So a guy makes a hole it's called a slam dunk hole in one it literally goes in like, doesn't it nothing but net.
Speaker 1:It was amazing really yeah tim brings up a good point to the people that don't have a gift yet. These gifts are just random. We can't choose who they go to. Yeah, so if you don't have a membership when they do these gifts, they can't direct them at anybody. So I don't know how that works. We're still trying to figure it all out. But yeah, actually there is a damn. I'm going to try. Give me a second. You guys talk I'm going to try to share a video and get it going Copy.
Speaker 2:We just kind of awkwardly want to stare at you.
Speaker 6:No, please don't. Please do your job that I don't pay you for. You were saying announcing these funny names, and these guys are thinking up some awesome stuff when they create their name for YouTube or whatever they're coming in on. And it reminds me somebody sent me a video the other day the Peloton instructors, like they'll receive a name and all they're trying to do is to get these Peloton instructors to say it live, because there's like 100,000 people streaming or whatever doing their exercise, and just the names that these people come up with streaming or whatever doing their exercise, and just the names that these people come up with. If you want to look up a funny video, they're like 30 seconds long, a short or real, as these freaking peloton instructors, I mean people call themselves like nut sex so we had another gift by a constant constitutional country.
Speaker 2:Girl news uh, five memberships were given.
Speaker 1:She's, she's paid for like probably 20 fucking memberships tonight, holy fuck she's awesome long island audit got one.
Speaker 1:Is that our long? Is that sean ray? Yeah, holy shit, look at that. That's amazing. Now he's got. No, now I can say that I am sponsored by Long Island Audit. That is amazing. Okay, I'm going to share this video. Guys, this is how I've seen this video. This is how auditing should go. If you're an officer and you're not sure what to do, this is how you do it. Badge number 2025 Cool, cool. I can see pretty good. Oh man, interesting.
Speaker 2:Flowers smell good. How's your day?
Speaker 1:Look at the distance that he created, guys. No, I'm just saying, I'm just trying to point that out, that's all that's, that is how you handle auditors.
Speaker 1:That is amazing. Oh, that's so holy shit. We gotta go back. All right, who? Who sparked? Okay, so she gifted five. David Thompson got one. Mark McKeever got one. Neon Sniper which is a cool name got one. Lenwee got one and okay. So who sparked? Okay? Oh, it was Magdump. Magdump gifted a bunch of memberships, so the Chosen Ones got one from MagDump. Magdump gifted a bunch of memberships, so the Chosen Ones got one from MagDump. Stuck in Oz got one. Matt Holmes. I wonder if he's related to a Holmes that I know. Let's see here, ocean Girl 505. Is that our same Ocean Girl, I wonder?
Speaker 2:I think so because I think she's from New Mexico.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then Jeff Parrish, All got memberships from Magdum. Holy hell, thank you very much, guys. I don't know what we did different tonight, but everybody is going crazy with the memberships. I appreciate it so much. Marine Blood said okay, back to work. Some of us don't have the luxury of relying on the chair for us. What a hater.
Speaker 1:What a hater, you gotta be a guest. Sean Paul, I adore your work. We're gonna get him. That's my unofficial promise. We're gonna get his ass. Get his ass on here, man. Y'all are paying for banning share of the donuts tonight. Y'all better, y'all gonna have to put up hundreds of dollars to put up that man's diet of donuts, jeez, oh Pete.
Speaker 1:Alright, guys, we're at 3.30 right now. We just covered that last video, all right, so, coming down the pipe here, we're going to try to get Sean Paul Reyes on. We'll get Dominic Izzo on for you guys. We're going to get the Von Kleem on to talk about qualified immunity. I hope We'll lean on banning to get that accomplished for us and then, yeah, I think the qualified immunity is the most popular one that we're going to try to do, and then everything else will fall in line after that.
Speaker 1:We just did a new interview tonight with Jim Glennon, who runs Caliber Press, which has been a longstanding law enforcement training program. Very cool. He. He isn't the originator of Caliber Press, but he is the owner of Caliber Press now, and so that will be pushed out within the next few days. Heavily recommend that that that episode. I didn't know anything about him. Banning actually told me that he's a really good dude and that I need to know more about him and try to get him on the podcast. So I ended up getting him on the podcast after he shared one of our stuff and it was a great episode. I had a lot of fun. We went back and forth. There's no downtime. There's a lot of good conversation going on and I's a lot of good conversation going on and I have a lot of good clips from it, so can't wait to edit that down, but we're going to get the audio part of that out as soon as we can, so look forward to that episode. With that said, alan, you got any parting words, sir?
Speaker 2:I just appreciate everybody. Uh, participating and that's what makes it so much fun is the back and forth. I know let's invite everybody so we can continue to have a good time.
Speaker 1:People keep trying to put a time limit on what we do and I'm just like I can't, we just have fun. I mean, we've consistently kept at least 30 people on here all night. That's a classroom Banning. What do you got buddy?
Speaker 6:I just appreciate the opportunity to even come in late. Sorry, I was late to the show. You piece of shit, I know man no invite or nothing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 6:Everybody gifting everybody memberships and stuff like that. We appreciate that it goes a long way so much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody for all the contributions tonight. I mean, holy shit, you want to talk about motivating Factor and doing what we do. It's huge. It's huge to us. Next video Sorry, I got no more guys. I got no more. Alright guys, Everybody. Good night. Thank you for participating in what we do. And yeah, go buy something at Retro Rifle, Take it easy, Appreciate it guys.
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