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2 Cops 1 Donut
The Journalist and The Cop: An Honest Conversation About Police Accountability
What happens when an independent journalist who questions police accountability meets two veteran officers willing to have honest conversations? The result is a rare window into the complexities of modern American policing that challenges perspectives on both sides.
Damien Riggs brings his decade of journalistic experience to engage with our hosts about the difficult questions facing law enforcement today. Rather than rehearsed talking points, this conversation dives deep into thorny issues like qualified immunity, the "gypsy cop" phenomenon that allows problem officers to move between departments, and why good departments handle accountability so differently than toxic ones.
The discussion takes a powerful turn when examining the Daniel Shaver shooting, revealing how good officers view these tragic incidents with genuine horror rather than defensiveness. This authentic moment demonstrates something crucial about police culture - contrary to popular belief, ethical officers are often more disturbed by these incidents than civilians because they understand exactly how things should have been handled differently.
Particularly enlightening is the live analysis of body camera footage showing both successful and problematic police encounters. These real-time assessments provide a masterclass in how experienced officers evaluate situations, make split-second decisions, and recognize danger signals. Through this collaborative analysis, you'll gain unprecedented insight into the complex realities officers face daily.
Whether you support law enforcement or question current policing practices, this episode offers nuanced perspectives that challenge simplistic narratives. Follow Damien's work through the Curious podcast and connect with him on Instagram @the_underscore_damien_riggs to continue exploring these vital conversations.
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Disclaimer Welcome to Two Cops One Donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guest's opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language. Viewer discretion advised. All right, welcome back, eric Levine. Two Cops One Donut. I am here today with an independent journalist that reached out after I hit a hot-button topic on a very popular page. I didn't realize. Somebody called Ginger Damon. Let me introduce you first before I get into it. Damon Riggs, how are you, sir? I'm good, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm doing wonderful. So I have put it out there a million times hey, I'm willing to have anybody on the show that's willing to come on the show and we'll discuss whatever hot stuff you want. Just so you know I'm not shying away from that. And damien hit me up, said, hey, I'm independent journo, I'd love to be on, uh, if you're willing to have me. Oh shit, and now we got people already throwing out memberships. Constitutional country girl, thank you very much. We got 10 memberships. Uh, we're not going to go down each one. The only one that I really want to know is did we have this one guy, damien? He has been a part of the show pretty much most of the time and he has not gotten a membership yet. And we've been going for quite a while now and I don't see. His name is Marine Blood.
Speaker 3:I still don't see it.
Speaker 1:And the game is now. Every time Marine Blood doesn't get a count gifted to him because it's random, we have to take a drink. I like that, so all right.
Speaker 3:Okay, so I do have to say, Tim, you're going to be disappointed because the ginger will be here later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there will be a different ginger. Yeah, our ginger. So so, damien, I'm gonna give you the room I want you to one. Tell us about your background, how people can find you, because I definitely like elevating everybody else's platform and kind of go into the story, how you found us and why you wanted to be on yes, so, um, you know, as he, as you said, my name is Damien Riggs.
Speaker 5:I'm an independent journalist and a photographer coming from the world of press photography. Specifically, I've been in the field for about 10 years, if you count press photography, and in the last two years I've been doing more of the journalistic side of my own. So in that time I've just kind of been focusing on the main mission that I have in general, which is kind of bridging divides and trying to dispel inaccuracies, but in a way that isn't necessarily without animosity. So in doing that, I found a post that you had where at first, my perception was that you had some very strong opinions on a very fair issue regarding a policing incident where it kind of did not address the bigger elephant in the room from my perspective. So I checked out your page and then I had seen that you were somebody who was very fair, very able to address the angles that you were able to address.
Speaker 5:Many people aren't as far as fairness goes. So I went okay, this is somebody that I would like to speak to. It's someone who has disagreements but who is willing to be open-minded. So that's pretty much how we got there and that is something that I was able to do on my Instagram, which is the underscore Damien Riggs. The content that I have can be found on the Curious podcast, and I also have Damien Riggs productions as well.
Speaker 1:Hell. Yeah, okay, so you got a podcast as well. Yes, sir, oh shit, I didn't even put two and two together. I told you I did zero research. Yeah, that's the funnest. I like to treat it just like I'm on the job. When I'm out in the field as a cop, I don't know who I'm going to talk to. You have to create conversation, and so I think that that is one of the fucking. Mr Billfold, I think that's one of the most fun things about that Eric's slamming that smoke wagon. I drink smoke wagon on here almost exclusively. They're not a sponsor by any means, but we've been doing this. Hey guys, by the way, april marks our four-year mark. This is our fourth year running. Let's celebrate with a little sip on the old smoke wagon. My man, he got a whole glass of water over there.
Speaker 5:I was hoping it couldn't be detected.
Speaker 1:Right, very cool. I do not know what Alan's got going on. Alan's our man, but he's our Jamie, so he is highlighting your page for us, so hell yeah. Oh my God, I read that first thing and thought that said the roadhead. I was like hell yeah get you some. Hey, I don't want to get pulled over I was like good for you, because I ain't had that in forever.
Speaker 5:I keep that for the sky I like that, um, but cool.
Speaker 1:Now you guys know where to find him. My bad, my bad.
Speaker 5:David Edmondson said vodka. That's what I was going for. Tim said this is an.
Speaker 1:April Fool's episode. This is not an April Food episode, sir. This is a regular episode. I'm not clever enough for all that. That causes more work for me. I ain't trying to do more work, y'all, but the first part of the show typically is whoever our special guest is, lay it out there, bro. You got questions, you want asked, you want to do all that you got me. Alan will also chime in because he's a former cop he recently. Are you doing the reserve stuff still, alan?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm still a reserve here in West Texas.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool. And then, um, we got Banning, who's a retired, uh deputy. He was, uh, in a very rural type setting as a as a deputy, so he's got that perspective. I'm in a city that's like about a million to 1.2 million people, one of the 12 largest departments in the nation, so I got kind of an inner city.
Speaker 1:Look, we got Trey, who's not going to be on tonight, but Trey is. He couldn't get a babysitter. He's only been a cop three years, so he got a very rookie perspective out in California. So we got, you know, that California style. Then we have up in New York, kat Clark, who is a cop in New York. She's been a cop seven years and so you get kind of a female cop perspective, but isn't a rookie. You know, we, we, we old school cops, we kind of consider that zero to five year mark. So once you get past that, so we kind of get in those different things in there freeman keys, dang, eric, how long have you been off? You already trimmed that shit. I've only been, uh, I, what I've been growing in about a week now, a little over a week. So, yeah, I'm a fur bearing mammal boys is what it is. I just I did I got faded up today my barber.
Speaker 1:He did me right. My boy, John, Got that fresh Got the Tommy. You know, that's what I'll roll. Got that fresh hard part going too Haters gonna hate. But yeah, Alright. So, Damien, why are you?
Speaker 3:speaking about that, tell me about that shirt there, boss.
Speaker 1:Oh, you mean this retro rifle shirt that I'm wearing. What about you, sir? What are you wearing?
Speaker 3:I, I've got maybe the same thing going on there. You got a retro rifle shirt too.
Speaker 1:What are the odds? You know what a company. No, it's such a great company. Hey guys, go to retro riflecom, check them out. Make sure you say two cops, one donut sent you. The beauty of their shirts, damien, that you might not know is their Hawaiian shirts with pop culture, and they always have hidden guns on them. Yeah, so if you're a second amendment guy you would love wearing. I'm all about people's second amendment rights.
Speaker 1:So yeah, just a fun shirt, yeah like anyway, let's get back to our guest, please. We haven't let him say shit, so, damien, bring it. Bro, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 5:yeah, so, uh, first I want to say thank you for your service, everybody who you guys have mentioned, who was a part of this, and anybody who's doing good work out there in the field, like I do have such a deep appreciation for policing and as far as, like, the sacrifice, the commitment to the things that you guys do, uh, when it comes to the angle that I approach when it comes to policing, I give all the praise and I want to make sure that I get good from the world by, as you said, even by lifting the voices that are doing good, being one who puts a spotlight on these role models, as I see in you in many cases. So, when it comes to some of the things that I did want to address, like for the officers, the many, many good officers- let's do the introduction real quick Banning Sweatland.
Speaker 1:This is Damien. You weren't here for this banning and I know Banning's trying to eat his food. Type it Banning you, dummy he's doing something anyway. Can you hear me now? Yeah, we can hear you now.
Speaker 8:What were you saying? I was saying I got to hear Damien's intro. I appreciate you being on here, oh, okay, yeah, and Eric, I got to hear your intro with Retro, which mine is hanging up. It's going to be for the show. I'm not wearing it tonight, but I will be wearing it at the show that I'm down here in McAllen, texas. I'm down here in McAllen and that's what I'm doing. But, damian, thank you so much for being on the show. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, it takes balls because you don't know. You don't know if we're going to ambush you and it's the same for us. That's why I tell people and he will confirm I did zero questioning, I didn't tell him anything. I didn't tell him anything. I'm wrong. So anyway, I'm sorry, we cut you off, damien. Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 5:No worries, no worries, yeah.
Speaker 5:So when it comes to that, like as somebody who I mean, I feel like many men, many men in general, get a lot of their inspiration and aspirations for what it is to be a man through looking at the lens of people like you know, the military and things of that nature, such an obvious like offshoot would be the police.
Speaker 5:So I look at these people with just the same level of respect and reverence. When it comes to some of the things that make the military slightly different from the police, it is the level of ability to hold to account people within your force and to address certain things even as a lower. So when it comes to the two party system in the justice system, like I do know, you know, when it comes to, like, if you get pulled over for a DUI, sometimes domestic violence, things of that nature, when you are a police officer, you do get these high levels of exception. And then when you have connections to things like an FOP or when you have a political experience, these things also kind of provide you like a disconnect from the legal system and almost a diplomatic immunity. So what is the perspective of a police who do understand justice and follow through with it and everything that they do in their field, but don't necessarily have the ability or the willingness to rock the boat in these avenues.
Speaker 1:I will tell you from my perspective. When you work for a good department, you have zero qualms about holding another officer accountable. Zero, and I'll let Banning get to his part. But for me, that's where it starts. Your department has to be solid. If it's not solid and I can't say where I work, everybody knows that, but I brag about my spot all the time because they do. They've fired, they have charged, they have disciplined somebody Every single year that I've been at this specific department, 14 years, I've been a cop 18.
Speaker 1:But you don't hear about that usually, because the media doesn't cover us doing our job. That's what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to hold people accountable. And so when you're, you can only see as far as your fishbowl allows, right these people off, or whatever it is. I'm just like I don't understand how, and I see the case and I'm like I get mad for other people. I'm like I don't get that. They're like well, you don't want to see it. No, I, I, it's, it's not happening where I'm at. So what do I do? How do I? How do I adjust from there? So to your point, I think it absolutely. We should be holding these people accountable for their actions.
Speaker 1:I will say that the unions are not as strong as people think they are. Most of it is meet and confer powers only, and so what I mean by that is like anytime you have a new contractor and you're going to get so many comp hours that you're allowed to bank or you're allowed to do whatever. That is what a union typically does Like. In the state of Texas we can't even have a FOP union. It's just, it's an association, and they have really no power.
Speaker 1:They can make a little argument for contracts and things of that nature, but when you look at NYPD now that is power, that is a union, and that I don't agree with. I think that's too much. And they're so deeply embedded because that's been the nature of that beast since the dawn of its inception. How do you combat something like that out there? I don't know. So I'm not a fan of that, I don't like that, but I haven't been on the receiving end of those benefits either. So I do get what you're talking about and I'll yield over to Banny and see what he's got to say.
Speaker 8:And I hope my window unit air conditioner in this fine hotel that I'm in is not messing with the audio quality with my $100 million camera that I'm running this evening off the same one that I was running. Anyway, so can you guys? Okay, you can't hear the unit, okay, I just got to no no, I just hear the unit talking right now.
Speaker 8:That is Hilton quality. Oh shit, steve Wallace in the house. What's up, brother? So in reference to your unions, man, totally with you on that. We can all go back and look at the movies, from Cop Town to whatever in the unions and that's just movies and people are like, oh, that's glorified. No, not all of it. The unions do do a lot of things, and Eric and I are not an echo chamber.
Speaker 8:Like we say in every broadcast. We don't say rah, rah, rah, all cops, 100%, everybody's. Amazing. No, if you're a great cop, we'll hold you to that level. That's the level that we get sworn in. Amazing. No, if you're a great cop, we'll we'll hold you to that level and that's the level that we get. We get sworn in on um, if you're an outstanding cop, we're going to show you as this outstanding cop. You've got to be that outstanding cop. If you're one that's below that, that, that threshold that needs to have a badge, we're going to stomp you in the ground, just like anybody else would. Um, that's, that's way. Two Cops, one Donut is.
Speaker 8:We love good police work. We love to highlight that If we see bad police work that's sent to us, we're going to show that out there. We're going to give our opinion on it. That's what we do and we truly want to bridge that gap. But the union stuff, gosh man. It really upsets me on the jobs that they get back on officers that have had too many bad run-ins. Why keep that type of person in the job? And I think Eric will mirror that. I mean, it's not. You don't have to be a genius to see that when we're putting people back in the job that don't need to be in the job, that's where there's a problem. I don't have a problem with the associations that are out there that they're looking for hey here's the tax base of the agency.
Speaker 8:We need to get somebody paid more for their worth at a base level for officers. We need that across the country. You get what you pay for, just like you do in a Home Depot employee. If you're paying somebody five bucks an hour at Home Depot, you're going to get a $5 an hour person that's not willing to help you. Law enforcement, I believe, is a little bit different and they need to pay them for their worth. Yes, they're jumping in front of that bullet, so to speak, for the citizens, but we have to pay them for their worth. Now, if they're worthless, get them the heck out of Dodge and I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mr Billfold brought up a good point. He said reforming police culture may well be impossible. The corruption is baked in. Eric. Talk about the cops and the state attorney general who spent over. I think he's trying to say $100,000, not to pay a $1,000 deductible. So Mr Billfold sent me a video. I don't have it ready because I didn't know we were going to talk about this and I didn't know we were going to talk about this. But basically, I don't know if it was a trooper or whatever, but he's running radar and he goes to pull out onto the roadway and clips another car on accident. It wasn't, as you know, he didn't mean to do that, for whatever reason.
Speaker 1:The department is fighting, paying that thousand dollar deductible for that person that they clearly were at fault for doing, and the amount of money that, the amount of money they are spending in just defending and arguing that is ridiculous. Now I don't know. I can't say that they're spending $100,000 to defend it. I don't think that's true. But I do get what he's saying. Even if you book that city attorney for three hours to look over the work, that's well over the amount that that deductible would have been anyway and you were clearly at fucking fault. Do the right thing. It's not that hard. So I get where these guys get frustrated. Like you were at fault. Me as the cop. I will tell you a hundred percent. If I learned that my department wasn't going to pay for the mistake that I made in knowing that I fucked up a civilian's car, a citizen that was completely innocent and they had $1,000 deductible, well, guess what? Even though it's not my job and I don't need to do it, I'm probably going to pony up $1,000 because I know in my heart that I was wrong. I screwed up. It wasn't intentional, it was what you call an accident, and it's okay to make accidents, it's. You can be forgiven for accidents, that's fine. But do the right thing, you know. So, in that, into what mr billfold's talking about, like it's into your point, damien, like it's fucking bullshit, like it's not that hard. Do the right thing. And then what sucks is being a cop sometimes that we really don't talk about. We're not at the table when the city attorneys or when the police unions or whatever are trying to get involved. We're not even usually there and our opinion isn't asked. It doesn't matter If the department decides to fight something like what do you do Like you're not even involved? Where do we go from there? That's the question.
Speaker 1:People in the comments keep them coming. If you've got questions for Damien, throw them up there. Alan, try to hit those up best you can. I want to make sure Alan's able to answer everything that he's able to do. Freeman Keys.
Speaker 1:I love this channel. The viewers ask and the hosts and the guests speak on it. We all need this. I like that. Thank you, buddy, appreciate that. Uh, people don't know is freeman's my cousin? So I made him say that. No, I'm just joking, he's not. I don't even know who he is. I just like we're talking some shit. So, um, but yeah, uh, let's see here.
Speaker 1:Mr bill fold continued. He said they claimed qualified immunity even though the officer violated a traffic law. It was over $100,000. Eric, you do not understand how many that's a big word. Interlocutory, I'm just a cop, Mr Belfold, I can't read that word. Appeals, qualified immunity cases are afforded. I didn't realize that. I don't even know how you would claim qualified immunity. It's a car accident, so I don't know. I disagree with it, mr Belford. I think they should be ponying up the money. I don't think qualified immunity should even be a part of that Shouldn't even be a question. It has nothing to do with anything. You just fucked up, fix it. It's really it.
Speaker 1:Deputy Acorn Magdump one of my favorite names, uh, eric banning, do you feel like a tight relationship with officers, da's and judges imbalances the system? Okay, this is a mis-fucking conception. I have zero relationship with prosecutors. Most of the time I'm pissed off at them because they've figured out a way to dumb down my case that I built. That was my experience as a detective. I was more irritated irritated with prosecutors than I was friends with them. We're not friends. I especially am not friends with judges. I do have one friend that's a judge and that had nothing to do with our work relationship. So, freeman Keyes, eric Cousin, eric, what up cuz? So yeah, I don't see a relationship with prosecutors like people think I. Actually it's more of a love-hate relationship, like when they prosecute a case. I put a lot of work into hell yeah.
Speaker 1:But then when they dumb down a case, I feel like I put a lot of work into, like there really isn't a relationship like you guys think, at least not where I'm at Banning. What has been your experience?
Speaker 8:So I was in a larger agency before I was at my last one in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and I knew some judges, I knew some prosecutors and I've even, as far as you know, 10 years ago, ran in a bar into one of our prosecutors. And here's the equalness that I saw as I submitted a narcotics case about 12 years ago, and that entry level or that admitting prosecutor that I had that drink with, referred that certain case to another one because we did have that. And that's what I call true justice. I mean, they don't even want to look at it because they're like you know what? I had a drink with that guy on my weekend and and I see he's the submitting officer I'm gonna, I'm gonna give this to somebody else in the office and that's the way it should be.
Speaker 8:Now if you see somebody golfing and going to the movies and walking out of Red Lobster and you know, maybe there's something that needs to be looked at there. This was literally one drink I had with the guy. I recognized him. I said hey, and we never had a case together. I just I knew he worked for the prosecutor's office and we spoke about some things. Then I submitted a case I knew he was the entry-level person that brought it in, great guy, very smart and then he took my case and he gave it to the other person and that's the way it should should be. I believe you know, when everybody you know goes back to the movies that we see 80s, 90s, 2000s, to where we see the balancing of the justice system, and that's the way it should be Now, is that the way it is across the country? No, I haven't worked it everywhere.
Speaker 1:Oh, and we lost Payne. Oh, and he's back. I got it. There we go.
Speaker 8:Sorry about that, guys. I hope you got some of that anyway.
Speaker 1:We did. I think we got almost all of it Going to the chat real quick. Tim was talking to Damien and he said Us chat hold nothing back. We tear these boys apart and TCOD is there to be accountable. They are top notch. Thank you, tim, appreciate these boys apart and tcod is there to be accountable. They are top notch. Thank you, tim. Appreciate that, brother. Uh, andy fletcher backed him up. Um, andy fletcher tears us up.
Speaker 5:Oh my god, he rips us apart sometimes man um, but always I'll be a little, always good always good um points, you know.
Speaker 1:Uh, sometimes we literally I'm like I don't have, I don. I don't know how to talk. I don't know how to say anything to what you just said. Sorry, interlocutory. Ah, thank you my guys. They look out for me. I appreciate it. I'm dumb. Shit.
Speaker 1:Mr Billfold said making the folks seeking justice for a violation have to re-argue to fight qualified immunity, even when it is denied. It gets instant appeal. Yeah, and it's such bullshit. I'm with you on this, mr Belfort. That's horseshit and this is part of the thing that I think with.
Speaker 1:Qualified immunity needs to have a common sense policy part to it. Like qualified immunity I will put this out there is fucked up. It doesn't work properly. It needs to be tweaked. I don't agree with abolishing it. I don't think that's the right move and I've said that several times on here. It gets people upset, but I do think it needs to be tweaked.
Speaker 1:I do think that it has its faults for sure, and this is a perfect example when it does, and we have actually shared an example where most of our audience agreed that, okay, this makes sense why they have qualified immunity. So if we can agree that there's kind of a need for it, then let's tweak it, let's figure out how to fix it. So you don't know this, damien, but we plan to have a really big episode on qualified immunity. We're trying to get a really good pro person that knows what the fuck they're talking about, because I'm not that guy. I kind of know what it does. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not in the courts all the time trying to fight the law. That's not my job. I want somebody that knows what they're talking about, but I also want somebody that can put up a great counter. I think we've got the people worked out. We're just trying to get a time where everybody can do their thing and then the audience is going to fucking go to town on that. So looking forward to it.
Speaker 3:So did we answer your question, sir?
Speaker 1:I would love to your next question.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, and so I have a thing to go based on that.
Speaker 5:But before I do to touch on the qualified immunity part, like that goes to some of the things that I feel the two, just two part justice system kind of serves, which is the ability to go I can throw the book at one person for the same crime or a lesser crime and then give clemency to somebody for something so unfathomably worse.
Speaker 5:So I feel like that is like the same play that they would do, whether it's for wealth, whether it's for other angles, to be able to go. There is a loophole, even if it isn't necessarily to the word, where I can get my person out, but also I can say that it's not against the word with a better lawyer, and then that same exact loophole is now not being honored. So, like precedents and things of that nature is something that aren't always honored. But the thing that I wonder is almost more than police unions I forget the exact term, but if I'm not mistaken, like mistaken the jury for police. Let me know, if I'm, if it's the jury or another angle of the court, but if I'm not mistaken it's by ex-police or something of that nature.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I'm not.
Speaker 5:This has been a while. What are you asking? Yes, so like, when it comes to the prosecutorial part with policing, there are, there's a council or there is, uh, the use of ex police uh, in order to kind of help and aid in the decision making.
Speaker 1:in that, I don't know, I, I honestly, I I should have pulled the term yeah, I'm not sure I, I've never faced that personally.
Speaker 1:Um, thank god um but, no, I I honestly don't know the answer to that. If that's true, that would be interesting. You know, it makes me wonder if that Obviously citizens aren't afforded that same thing. But citizens aren't out there doing the same thing that cops are doing either. The likelihood of an officer putting himself into a position that he's going to have to violate what would be against the law for normal citizens is an everyday occurrence.
Speaker 1:A citizen can't just go up and seize somebody, seize their property, seize their person, where a cop is granted that authority. So there obviously has to be a difference. You can't judge them the same exact way you would a regular civilian, because the regular civilian doesn't have that same power. I mean, I hate, we're not sugarcoating it. It's a power Like cops need to be well aware of it and I think a lot of times they get so used to having that power that the moment it's checked at all, somebody bucks back at it at all, and especially like First Amendment auditors, because they know what the fuck they're talking about. Cops' egos come into play immediately and they don't know what to do and it's like bro, you need to, you need to step back and realize that you know there's people that don't just automatically bow down because you're wearing a badge and so, yeah, it's not really answering your question, because I don't know, I don't know the answer to it, but um oh, that's, that's actually on me.
Speaker 5:I should have brought the exact uh term and we could have explored that a little bit.
Speaker 5:I will consider that in the future.
Speaker 5:But when it comes to like kind of addressing that exact point that you were making as far as like the ego, specifically with that example, also with the courts, and how they will actually go to the point of costing themselves in order to attain some level of protecting of your pride, or what have you obtain some level of protecting of your pride or what have you like when it comes to these things, you already know, I'm sure, the amount of people who pretend to be an officer because of the ego trip that it gives you and like that, that uh fake bad person who pulls you over when they've actually never been in the force, so on and so forth.
Speaker 5:Uh stolen, so to speak, like when these people do get the actual approval to be put in the force, or when they, the people, proven to be bad and inept, instead of being fired, what they typically do is they send them to another district. When these things are occurring, what can be done in order to kind of alleviate either the continuation of this or to kind of hold to account when people, let's say, they have these horrible records, that takes you to actually be able to have a horrible incident before you look through it all. Or where body cams aren't even being used in the court hearing, where, if anytime there's a camera, I don't understand where you're not using it.
Speaker 5:So can you elaborate?
Speaker 1:on that. I want to get to Mr Belfold's point, because this is something that I wasn't aware of. He actually taught me this, so credit to Mr Belfold. He said you cannot have a set of facts in a case for precedent if the fucking case never gets to trial, and he's a hundred percent right. And what we have learned from that is that these cases where I'm sitting there I'm like man, just go to go to court, like you've got it in the bag, like it is clearly, and then what I'm learning is when these court cases end up getting pressed through, they're not going anywhere. It's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1:And to like what Mr Belfold's saying is like it never gets to trial and I don't know why. I don't understand why. I don't know enough about it. So it's my own ignorance for sure, but he definitely has a point. But to your point and to your question, one of the things that we can do to start fixing this bullshit with these cops that um screw up and have these cases is a national database. Why do he looks frozen. I want to make sure we didn't lose him before I start giving a full answer, is he?
Speaker 5:I just got back. I've reconnected.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you can hear me now, oh, okay I can hear you now. Okay, I didn't want to, didn't want to go into a deep answer, and then you'd be like not there so the point I was getting to is yeah, um with uh I.
Speaker 1:I think we should be having national databases. If a cop is involved in an investigation, even if he's found innocent of that, that's fine. Like that's cool, great, you found innocent of it. But let's have a. Like that's cool, great, you're found innocent of it. But let's have a national database that shows these officers the investigations that they had. Here's all the proof, you know.
Speaker 1:And now, especially with body cameras out there, like, my body cam has saved me every single time that I've had false complaints on myself. So I would love for there to be a national database that shows oh, levine was investigated, here is the findings and here's the body cam that backed it up. This is where they disproved it. So then, if anybody tries to pull any bullshit later on down the line, or I decide to leave that department and go to another one or whatever it is, they can look and be like oh, this dude's on the up and up and look here, the national database actually supports what he was doing, versus an officer that fucks up and resigns before any investigation gets down and dirty and there's no charges actually presented like no, you need to be put in a database. You resigned in lieu of an investigation and that needs to be known, because me I know as a department that is a's a shady sign. I don't even want to risk it. I'm not hiring you.
Speaker 8:Let me add to that, eric, on the resignation stuff, if you don't mind. Yes sir.
Speaker 8:So the accredited agencies and I'm speaking for Texas, new Mexico and Oklahoma because I've looked into this If you're an accredited agency and you're a peace officer under their tutelage, if you will, they're holding your commission. If you are under an investigation and it has anything criminal, in the light to why that investigation is, they will not allow you to resign. They will hold you on there. You get a notice that the city attorney, county attorney, whoever holds that, will give you the notice. You cannot resign until this investigation is over, due to it being criminal and it also comes from the DA investigators. So there, there, are some.
Speaker 8:You know some people or a lot of people that get away from it Small agencies that don't have that, but a lot of them are changing that tune and a lot of that changed in 2019, 2020 during COVID from the stuff that I was looking through in Austin and also hearing from it from around the state.
Speaker 8:So I'm glad that that's going into effect where if they're under a criminal investigation, they will hold them to that employment. They can say they quit, they can turn in all their stuff, but if they're under an investigation it's got criminal ties to it. They're going to hold them there. And if there is criminal stuff, they're going to issue a warrant. If they get probable cause on it, then they're going to go arrest them. More than likely they're going to get booked into a county adjacent to and a lot of times those cases will be held. If this person had a lot of cases going to, that justice system will be held in that county adjacent for people that may not know those people and they can bring in a kind of a fresh set of eyes, if that makes sense, and I'll keep it at that.
Speaker 1:Okay, I want to get to Tim's comment here. He said wait, don't they have the Brady list for that? What I've learned about the Brady list is the Brady list is is is not national. The Brady list is actually very political and it's very it's by district, it's by district, yeah, guys. So when you see somebody on the brady list, that can be some bullshit. I want you guys to know that it can be some political bullshit or it can be completely legit. So, um, I I used to think the brady list was like that's exactly what you're thinking about, that's the national database for shitty cops, not true? There's been some railroaded cops that have been put and it's very hard to get taken off of that list because now you're getting a district to admit they were wrong On that.
Speaker 8:Brady list, just so people are aware. It's just not like three district attorneys and their investigators sitting on those lists. You'll have former police officers, current police officers, maybe some former judges current judges that are in a different county and that comprises of the people that are on that list and the district, being their own governing body, can decide who's going to be on that Brady list council, if you will. A lot of people don't realize that. So I believe there needs to be more structure. You know I'm not for government coming in and doing different things, but there needs to be structure on these lists, on the type of folks that are on there, so we can determine who's good, who's not and get rid of the funky people that are out there.
Speaker 1:Somebody on LinkedIn said that the National Law Enforcement Accountability Database I never heard of that before a federal registry tracking misconduct by federal law enforcement officers oh, it's federal officers Was created in 2022 by Biden and was shut down by President Trump in 2025. Okay, Well, okay, I was actually going to.
Speaker 1:That was actually actually gonna be the next point that I made, but please continue I was gonna say I, honestly, I yes, federal police is a thing and it needs to be noticed, but that's not the, that's not the everyday thing that y'all deal with. You're dealing with us, you're dealing with sheriffs, state troopers and, uh, local, municipal, municipal police. So I don't give a shit about the federal cops at all. Um, so that database can go. I want it for, I want it for us, for the local cops, local state um and your sheriff's departments. That's who you guys are seeing on the day-to-day. So that's's where we need a database. For sure. I don't if you're arguing against it. I would really love to hear what the argument against that would be. I would really like to hear that.
Speaker 5:And I do. Yes, I do want to mention because that is kind of a thing I was going to expand upon when we branches on the accountability thing I was discussing, which is that I did hear that there was a couple of different situations where databases of misconduct were being wiped. That may be what it's referring to. I didn't actually get to look too too much into it beyond that. But, that being said, when you talk about skating accountability like these are some of the more extreme versions it's not just trying to deny but like actually erase the efforts of certain things.
Speaker 5:But to go to the highest form of this, I'm not too sure if you guys know about like there's actually things like poppers graves that will be behind prisons and things like a Hyde's County is probably the biggest known example where there's over 200 people. So like these are people like of officer hit somebody and killed them, took the body, hides. It just is a missing person and later this is discovered as a poppers grave. I guess you haven't heard of it, but these are the ultimate, I would say, as far as they have an accountability. And this is tied to things relating to black culture, because this is historically things that have been. It's probably more associated with these people than it is just like any regular civilian.
Speaker 5:If I'm being honest, okay but, but like and if that, to branch on that, if I'm not mistaken, the very the inability to, I'm sorry, what is it? Immunity?
Speaker 1:Qualified immunity.
Speaker 5:Qualified immunity. If I'm not mistaken, that itself came out in 1967, which would have been the year that integration would have been officially established, where you wouldn't necessarily be able to do certain things yourself, necessarily be able to do certain things yourself, and where it did become more popular to actually call the police to have them handle things like the sundown towns and all these other factors, instead of putting your hands into your own. So it's a I, because I know a lot about these, this topic specifically.
Speaker 5:Yeah, okay, there's a lot of corollary in that and I do wonder when they tied to the popper graves and the people that you see like, um, there's two twins who have been found in georgia in the mountains, let's say with the hangman's. Then they declared it a suicide. These guys were in an airport, they had no car. There's been a bunch of cases like that. I could tell you probably 50 within the last 10 years. These popper graves, these things. What would you say about the? Maybe the police don't know about this in mass?
Speaker 1:I've never heard of it. No, I've never heard of it. No, I've never heard of that. So you're actually enlightening me right now. Um, no, I never heard of that, and uh heinz county.
Speaker 5:If you, if um, maybe eric can pull up something on that heinz county uh, heinz county is one of the biggest. I think it's 217 poppers graves were found there, and then they have the case, or they have the explanations for why it started in 2016 to 2024, so I think it was even within a very short period of time.
Speaker 1:Is this why you were asking about departments that don't wear body cameras?
Speaker 5:That, but why they aren't pulled up. There's actually a specific case that I had seen recently where a white person who and I say that, just because there is a difference in like the care I'm not saying this in any negative, like racial connotations there is a difference in like, uh, the care I'm not saying this in any negative, like racial connotations, but, that being said, uh, he was pulled over for, literally, I think, running a red light or a stop sign okay, and the police officer came and pulled him over.
Speaker 5:He got like a. He was like I have my rights, I, so on and so forth. He tries to arrest him. He like kind of gives like some sort of a fight to it and then the cop ends up like saying he's trying to pull his gun, and then he gets to the point where he's running the cop, the officer shoots him and he dies and he the officer actually goes without being penalized because they didn't look at the footage and they trusted the officer in the. He said it was uh, he, um, disobeyed the order, something to that degree so they never looked at the body cam footage yeah, and there's a million cases where they don't look at the body cam footage and it comes out later.
Speaker 5:But the fact that there's evidence that does not get admitted, that should be the most obvious of evidence to utilize even just CCTV. These things are often not done and then after the case gets settled, then you get to get to see the stuff. So these are the things where I almost want to apply a Freedom of Information Act request to try to get more information. But I do want to apply a Freedom of Information Act request to try to get more information, but I do want to ask the officers on the ground what they know about this.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, I didn't. I wasn't aware that that was a thing I would assume. And this is me again. This is one of my fatal flaws. Everybody, I'm an optimistic person. I would assume that the courts would want to see any and all evidence that's available, especially body cam footage. Why are you not using that? How is that being suppressed? That's what I would want to know. So if you're suppressing body cam video and you're not, the defense, like you know, I could see a defense trying to. You know, suppress, yeah, you don't want anything going against your client, but the state should absolutely be pushing for body cam footage Banning. You got anything?
Speaker 8:No, I mean that's just on evidentiary stuff coming to the case. You know the pre-trial, if you will, when you come to it and everybody from the defense. The prosecution is all introducing evidence and I've seen some things very few suppressed and sometimes the body camera footage and the stuff that I've seen suppressed was when an ambulance arrives and the people on the ambulance are speaking on medical terminology based on one of the victims on the scene and they'll suppress that based off a HIPAA. So I understand that. But those of you that have been watching this show, eric and I, we don't mute our body cameras when we're on a call. We absolutely you know, and if I say something screwed up it's going to be caught on body camera because I don't mute it. I wouldn't allow my guys to mute it. It's you know.
Speaker 8:You can explain stuff in a trial on hey. Why did you say hey? That retard that broke the flare line must be intoxicated. And let's, let's get his information out to the next County, cause we couldn't stop him coming through this fatality accident. They would say why did you use the terminology retard? It's not because you know it's, it's, it's a rate. It's a quick statement, cause I was born in the eighties and we've got our cones up, we've got our flyers up, we got our flashlights on like hey, and it's not a. You know, this person is actually in that state of mind it's.
Speaker 8:You're seeing all these flashing lights and you went through our body cameras and I say that because that was actually a case that I went to. They looked at three weeks suppressing one sentence from an officer and said you know, I'm not the district attorney, I'm not the judge, I'm not the jury. Allow it to play. Let's clear that in the courtroom. You know if somebody takes offense to that, that's great. That officer can be terminated or whatever based on that comment. Let's, let's, let's keep this rolling because the suspect doesn't deserve that, the victims don't deserve that. And let's, let's go and and I've seen, I've seen the wills of justice spend three weeks on one sentence and that's bs. I don't think our tax dollars need to pay for something like that.
Speaker 5:Allow it to roll in the courtroom and go on yeah, and, if I can like this, this is actually none that I'm thinking about, if I'm not mistaken, the very case that we were able to meet each other on, uh, they didn't show the beginning of that interaction, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5:So I didn. So I've only seen this in the comment. I like to do my own vetting to actually make sure these things are the case. But it was stated that they had to actually release the rest of the footage afterward to see how that interaction began. To make sure he actually didn't state, because essentially the officer claimed that he had yelled a command and then when you see the footage, it was the command to the tackle, with no time to respond, and they had kind of stated it as if he pulled over, he had his lights on, he brought him to that point and he was like pulled in backwards where you wouldn't be able to, so on and so forth. So like that very thing that we met on is in a case where the body cam footage or the car footage would have you was not utilizing its fullest, which attributed to the ruling, if I I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1:Sorry One. I want to give a shout-out to Harrison Brock. He just threw out 10 memberships. Thank you very much, brothers. A bunch of people that got those, not a lot of people that I see talk on here a whole lot Brian P maybe, and Nighthawk. So shout-out to those guys, congratulations. But you should be thanking Harrison Brock for throwing those out there. Um, somebody said mag dump. I always like what mag dump has to say. Uh, he said country girl, a hundred percent, or whatever that number is, happens and it should never happen. I didn't see what she said. Oh, here it is.
Speaker 1:I've seen body warm cameras muted constantly, especially when they're trying to come up with some BS charges. Again, I don't think that we should be muting body cameras. That's not our job. Our job is to do police work and let the people that deal with the Freedom of Information Act stuff go back and redact whatever they need to redact. So I'm not a fan of muting anything. I will cop-splain a little bit or defend Sometimes these guys.
Speaker 1:They do mute their cameras or whatever because they're legitimately they're trying to protect some HIPAA or some juvenile or they realize that they're about to say some bullshit jokes that have nothing to do with what they're dealing with and they'll mute them for those reasons. I don't agree with them. I'm just letting you guys know. But it isn't because they're dealing with um and they'll mute them for those reasons. I don't agree with them. I'm just letting you guys know. But it isn't because they're going to come up with a bullshit charge, necessarily. I just want you to guys, I want you guys to hear it from me um, so there's a whole list of reasons why people do it, but I don't agree with it.
Speaker 1:You should not be muting your body camera. I'm throwing that out there. So um cops will suppress body camera videos for a variety of reasons, none of which can be disproven True Radio chatter or sensitive nature, sensitive information, ongoing investigation. Yeah, they'll come up with a whole bunch of shit and most of the time it's nothing. They've ever been trained. It's because another officer did it, said it, and they just fucking. Oh well, he said it and he's been on longer than me, so now I'll do it.
Speaker 5:And if I could expand on that, like I have connections with many officers and things like that, I'm somebody who I I give so much praise and appreciation.
Speaker 1:I love to you know, to give these people the glory that they deserve well in in the great words of some of our followers don't be a bootlicker hey, as you see, I I will state my clearances when there's a breach of boundary but yeah when it comes to these things, like I would say even like an enormous amount people do underestimate or like would put too much shame to this.
Speaker 5:But like college the I mean, um, police officers, the military is very college boyish energy. There's a lot of like hoorah jokes and like funny you got banning going.
Speaker 1:He's a marine.
Speaker 5:Yes yes, so like it's the levity that keeps you from crying, so to speak, on the lighter side, and then on the other side it's like we are just, we aren't weak-minded, so we're not getting offended by these things. Like I'm somebody who grew up like I like dark jokes, I know intent, we know like it's not a problem to just under understanding. Intent is always very clear and I don't think anybody lacks that if they understand. But to kind of expand almost on a previous thing before I forget, is when it comes to these things that I was describing on the worst case, I know that you might not have heard about the popper graves and things of that nature Do you know about the many cases where, like the court, well, actually that very twin example I gave is another one where the coroner kind of whether it's working with the officers or just kind of this, that you know, I scratch your back, you scratch mine Like, for instance, in George Floyd, the first coroner's exam actually stated that he had, he died of a medical like from drug overdose.
Speaker 5:And then you get a proper exam and they get the truth. Those kids, it was a quickly decided it was a suicide, it was almost impossible. They didn't take any time to look at the case. Hundreds of those examples. Completely Like David, there was a teenager in a in a hotel where he was just executed by this officer horrendously Caucasian guy. Great kid Didn't do anything bad, it was completely innocent crying at the time. So there's many times where the coroner will give these rulings that are absolutely absurd and then you need a third party to get the truth. That's different from the poppers graves and the complete lack of accountability, but it's the allowing the system to go through kind of like how the judicial system will do. Do you know anything about that?
Speaker 8:let me.
Speaker 8:Let me add to that real quick. So you have you have corners across the country and then you have uh examiners and these are two so far apart and unfortunately, in some of these states across the country you have a coroner, and a lot of times these are elected or placed and a coroner may not even have a medical degree. And that's what scares the crap out of me when it comes to a law enforcement investigation, scares the crap out of me when it comes to a law enforcement investigation. And then you have uh in in Texas, if they're dealing with a deceased body, um, you have a medical examiner, and a medical examiner is going to be an actual MD or medical doctor.
Speaker 8:So there's two, two big uh thought trails on that and I do have a problem uh with and from the movies that we see, et cetera, and then some of the stories that we see. So I could see some possible problems you're going to have with a corner. That's like grabbing your guy at Walmart that say welcome to Walmart, not saying that they're a great, great person, but throwing them in a corner position with a 60 to 90 day class before they go into that, with a 60 to 90-day class before they go into that. Same with lower judgeships that are coming out on the municipal and county level.
Speaker 1:So that is a big difference a coroner versus medical examiner across the country. I want to address Freeman's point here. He said we pay for their rate, we pay for their car, we pay for their cameras, we pay for their editing, we pay for absolutely everything, but they are allowed to block us from seeing what actually happened. Most of the time I don't even know that it's an actual police officer that's blocking anything every place. I know that there's a set guideline that they go and they'll read down it Okay, this needs to be redacted. So any child photos? So they need to be blurred out. Any child information. There's clear boundaries and it's all set and it should be. That's where your Freedom of Information Act will come in handy. Okay, what are the things they are not allowed to show at this department? Boom, okay. Okay, now that all makes sense. So the moment they block something out that it's not on that list, that's when you start asking questions why the fuck didn't you show this? Oh, now we can start exposing corruption, because if you're blocking shit out that doesn't need to be blocked out. I need to know and they need to justify every single block out that they do.
Speaker 1:Somebody had mentioned earlier, when we were talking about the National Registry database thing that some departments keep track of things, some don't. I think, if we are going to attack anything on policing itself, to improve policing I'm always trying to improve policing guys so if we can improve it, I think that's where the focus needs to be. Don't worry about body cam policies and all of that stuff. Don't worry about anything else. Let's get that national registry going first. Let's hold. I don't want these shithead cops. Look at the dude that shot poor Sonia Massey. That motherfucker should have never been a cop to begin with and he goes to six different departments in what a year or two. And then we watched that video on here. We uh, damien, you don't know this, but we watched that raw like we didn't know what the footage showed, um, and we had a reaction and me and banning were fucking.
Speaker 8:I actually lost sleep on that and I've seen a lot of things in my time and, uh, I lost some sleep. I've lost some sleep over quite a few of the stuff that we see, uh, not knowing that that some of that stuff went on, but that's.
Speaker 5:That's messed up, man, yeah yeah, I guess, because I really do think that it might be worth. There's that specific hotel video that I was showing you. Actually is something that's probably the worst that I've seen is it the one where the kid's begging? Yeah, and the guy has a punisher. Uh, yes, yes, I've seen that one. Yes, when you started talking about.
Speaker 1:I know this case. I know what he's talking about. Yeah, that, oh my god he's playing.
Speaker 5:He's playing a hot potato yeah, that and that the guy, the kid, did not have a gun. It was, I think it was called because they thought he had a gun and even if he did, he did not when he was physically out in the hallway, that is such a heartbreaking.
Speaker 1:I mean gut-wrenching video. That is such a gut-wrenching video, alan. If you get a chance, if you can look up behind the scenes but actually pull that video up, we'll show that shit that motherfucker needs to fry. There is absolutely zero reason for all of that shit that I saw in that video. It pissed me off so bad. You know what one he's talking about Banning. I think we actually watched it.
Speaker 8:Man. We've seen so many, I'd like to see it again, so I can say, yes, I did. This is what I felt on the initial.
Speaker 1:However, let's watch it Daniel Shaver, that's right yeah there we go.
Speaker 5:I knew it was Daniel.
Speaker 1:yes, Freeman said also eric, we need you to be every cop. I wish you could train every cop in the earth. Don't put that evil on me, bro. Uh, you know, what's funny about policing and training too, guys, is what works in where I'm at isn't going to work in california. What works in california ain't gonna work in in New York City. So it's weird. So I try to tell people. I'm like look, I appreciate some of the stuff that you guys say to me to inflate my ego. I try to keep myself humble. Oh, you, son of a bitch, you need to mute.
Speaker 5:That reminds me. There was a quote that I wanted to say earlier when you mentioned that topic, which is like this this is kind of you are kind of like a little bit of the epitome of that. But Lincoln had a time where his general actually like he could have had an opportunity to take out Robert E Lee and take kind of end the war at that time, and then he failed to do so and that was like a moment where he really was kind of upset at the general. But he, instead of writing this, he wrote a letter and then did not send it to the general because he pretty much learned from the reserve himself. He critiqued somebody and they drew, made him do a duel. So he was like I'm never critiquing anybody again. But, that being said, like when he went and he decided not to do so, he actually um, kind of stated the idea that when he was reframing it he was going.
Speaker 5:Ok, you know what, as much as I do feel that this was this horrible loss, I, sitting in my comfortable desk, do not know what it would have been like if I had seen all the blood that I had seen in Gettysburg, gettysburg that day, I don't know.
Speaker 5:So on and so forth. So like the idea of being able to go, and that's what I do, even in times, even some slight disgusting cases when it gets bad. I'm not accepting it regardless, but like when you go, okay, I don't know what it's like to think that your life might potentially be on the line, and how you would act in a split second moment where you have no time to consider. And that goes to the point of like what level of training? Or like not training in the beginning, but reiterating and kind of assuring the quality of mind and discipline in that time. Because I know the military is very good at this and if you're borrowing from the military, it should be simple you know you don't go past the mission, you don't escalate if you're not supposed to escalate and you know how to stay within your bounds. Is that something that's impossible with the police, or do they just give more grounds and flexibility in general?
Speaker 1:Banning. You got that one.
Speaker 8:No, mine keeps muting and it's my connection, so I only heard about a third of it.
Speaker 1:OK, clarify that a little bit for me, sir, if you can.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so. So to sum up the quote as quick as possible, you don't know what you're dealing with if you haven't been physically in that environment with those factors in place. So it's one thing to I'm not somebody who's critiquing heavily any decision, although there are times where, when decisions are made, if I'm being honest, I'm kind of forgetting the question.
Speaker 1:Okay, if we're going to be transparent, I'm also listening to you, but trying to pay attention to comments so I was a little distracted. I was hoping benny could pick up, so we're all fucking.
Speaker 5:I apologize, it's a smokeway, uh well, I, I really just wanted to get the quote out originally and just kind of say that, when it comes to that, like, hold your opinion, like I do, yeah, stand by that. Um, it's just the idea of when it comes to accountability, like, what is the flex? Oh yeah, that's so. The military knows how to kind of create these restraints where, even though emotions are high and like, and you can only act in a split second, they are very good at following through, whether it's just the intensity and duration of the training, or whether it's the reiteration or understanding of the structure, or is it just straight up. There's just like kind of more wild west nature around what you can do as a police officer.
Speaker 1:So in the military and now you got to understand, I'm a military cop for the air force, I'm security forces, so I've got both perspectives. In the military you have it's, it's a, it's the same set of standards across the board. But in policing you've got 18,000, plus different criminal justice systems. So that's something to consider. That is insane. You've got, you know, 750,000 cops. That all will divide it up, you know, because the average police department's like less than 10 officers. I think that's the, I think that's like the. 80% of them was like less than 10 officers or 20 officers. So you've got all these different departments that are receiving different training. They're not even there's not even a standardized way of training. So here we are looking at the military, which has a standard, so easy, it's the same across the board. The way that the cop is trained that's at a conus base in california is going to be the same way that a cop is trained at a conus base in florida, and it's going to be the same as a cop that is now deployed over in syria or over in ira. They get the same training, it doesn't matter. So you've got this strict standardization and you've got the same rule of law. It's the UCMJ, that is what they go by. So now you've got that. Now, what I will say that the military has is they've got a, they've got a. No one peeks into what they've got a. No one peeks into what they're doing. No one peeks into what they're doing. So if they come up with a ruling quick, fast and in a hurry, who's going any deeper than that? Because guess what they're going to hide behind? National security can't show you anymore and you're not going to say shit, the general public doesn't give a fuck. But they do give a fuck about what your municipal cops are doing, because it deals with them every single day. So there's a huge difference, yes, but to sit back and think that the military handles these things a lot better, I don't necessarily agree with, but that's my perspective from both sides.
Speaker 1:Alan, this is the video right from both sides. Um, uh, alan, this is the video right here, but the very first one that you had up. Um, so, he said he's having trouble finding it and multitasking. Oh shit, um, uh, but I'm going to try to play this video. Give me a second, going to be the right one. I want to watch it unfucked up. Okay, all right, I'm going to share my screen. Share screen. This is the Daniel Shriver video that we're talking about. I'm going to give credit to the Real News Network. That's who we got this video from. I don't know if they'm going to give credit to the Real News Network. That's who we got this video from. I don't know if they're going to show the whole thing straight. If they don't, I'm probably going to turn it off, but let's see as much of it as we can. We're going to biggie size. If you have not seen this, one viewer, discretion advised. It sucks when he begged for his life where he begged for his life.
Speaker 4:Okay, young man, listen to my instructions and do not make a mistake.
Speaker 7:You are to keep your legs crossed. Do you understand me?
Speaker 4:You are to put both of your hands, palm down, straight out in front of you, push yourself up to a kneeling position.
Speaker 7:I said keep your legs crossed. I'm sorry I didn't say this in conversation. Put your hands up in the air. Hands up in the air. You do that again. We're shooting you. Do you understand? Please do not shoot me. Then listen to my instructions. I'm trying to do what you're doing. Don't talk, listen. Hands straight up in the air, do not put your hands down for any reason. You think you're going to fall? You better fall in your face. Your hands go back into the small of your back or down. We are going to shoot you. Do you understand me? Yes, sir, crawl towards me, crawl towards me. Yes, sir, don't talk. The brutal.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I get so fucking furious. I have not.
Speaker 8:I think you guys did that on a night. I couldn't join. I have not seen that.
Speaker 5:That might be the worst of all. Even just the simple shootings that I see all the time the demented nature and the game shootings that I see all the time. The demented nature and the game of that. It's ugh.
Speaker 1:I've seen it a hundred times. I still get fucking teary-eyed every time I see this kid just trying to live.
Speaker 5:As innocent as you could be.
Speaker 1:You can tell this man is an innocent kid. All it takes is just being able to read somebody. It's not that hard.
Speaker 5:Fucking horrible. And, if I can, I think this might be a time to kind of extend on to a topic that I wanted to branch on before, which was the idea of these people who are fake officers, who kind of abuse the idea of the fake badge and pull people over and have this type of behavior when they get into the forces officially. This is the type of result that you get. So it makes me question the mental training, because it's so very obvious, and I know for a fact that you can detect this in the little things that you do. You can piss him off, you can test his, his, his pride or something, and you would see this how does this slip through the cracks of good officers or regulatory bodies Once you get these?
Speaker 8:because he had. You know, if I would give you my real opinion on what I think about these officers, I would probably get my door kicked in tonight and arrested. But I'm going to go ahead and say some of it. If I, if I ran into these folks and I knew it was them, I would probably lose my job at the very least, and I would spend a few nights in jail and I would not have what's called a CJIS certification anymore to do my job, because that is uncalled for. I don't care who you are, I don't care how Billy badass you think you are, you are, I don't care how Billy bad-ass you think you are. Um, that type of shit right there makes everybody lose, um, the trust in a badge. Yeah, and that is what Eric and I fight for is to show the amount of good that's out there. Of course it trumps the bad, but this, that, that doesn't trump the bad. I'm just'm saying yeah, I'm saying I know what you mean, meaning the amount of verses, but that right there there's I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 8:I don't have any words for that?
Speaker 5:yeah, I can say right now, just the idea that, like I, I detected and I'm very good at reading intent. I knew the millisecond I clicked on your page that you guys were good officers, regardless of the thought that I hadn't seen a negative post that I thought was associated more to that kind of a person. Really what it is as a civilian when people go all cops are bad and all this nonsense is that the idea that, for instance, the body cam defect or the body cam pushback and the the regulatory pushback these are good officers that are going. Why are you trying to stop? Why are you trying to hold us? But what they're doing is actually defending these people, not unlike when the church does this to certain incidents where similar crimes or bad crimes are being committed, where it's like you could address this thing and solve it very quickly, but because it calls out impropriety or badness within you, your pride, you're wanting to be pure in all forms makes you the worst evil there could be, because these are good officers.
Speaker 1:Some of these are good officers fighting to try to stop these practices like body cams from being but they allow and enable um, I will say some of the pushback on body cam stuff has some merit to it and I kind of want to give you an inside look of why. When you have internally no protection and no policy set in place that you can review and say, okay, this is how we're going to be judged based on our body cam footage, that is where a lot of these departments are coming from. It has nothing to do with what they're doing on the job. It has everything to do with witch hunts from their own department. You really have no business writing me up. If I'm sitting in my car and I'm rocking out to some DMX. I ain't around. No, like I grew up in Flint, like I'd listen to rap growing up. That's what I listened to. If I'm listening to some DMX and that's vulgar language right now, you know. If I'm sitting there listening to that and I get written up because you did an audit on my body cam, I got no protection. So this is where these officers are coming from. Like, I don't want to be judged based on a witch hunt for some bullshit on an internal political thing. I've already got the public wanting to. You know, come at me for for things.
Speaker 1:So, having internal witch hunts on on the inside versus and the outside, like that's where these officers are coming from. So that's one of the things I think they're saying. It isn't necessarily it has nothing to do with you seeing what I do. So that's one aspect of it in one perspective that I want you to kind of see that you may not have been told before.
Speaker 1:Um Boston PD, that's one that really um stood out to me cause they they fought tooth and nail to not have body cameras because they were trying to make their officers wear body cameras with the zero policy written down yet. And I was like, okay, I see where you guys are coming from, like because they don't want to be victim of a witch hunt. You know, there's a promotion coming up, it's a you know um, a lieutenant spot gets opened up and all of a sudden that person starts digging into all your body cam footage and let me see, let me find out if he did anything. I can get him taken off that list. Now I'm eliminating competition. Like these are some of the things that people don't consider.
Speaker 5:So well, this kind of goes to and I don't want to interrupt you there, okay well, yeah, this kind of goes to the point that I was making prior, which is that I I always knew that there was good reasons. I've heard a few, uh, different ones. I like that angle because that is absolutely fair, and there's no arguing that, because that is, you know, miltonian capitalism alone that type of like mass layoffs to justify anything that's. That's a real issue. So what that makes me think, though, is that this is still an example of the double um judicial system, where the police would have that defense, as they should, because they're more honorable and they're serving and of their support to the community if they're doing it right.
Speaker 5:But if that's not something that's also given to the civilians, then you're creating that doubles class by being able to have that like okay, I will not, I will skate accountability in a form where, let's say, if this is in a corporate setting, if you say let's remove the cameras because I might be doing impropriety, they would go absolutely. Or truckers, for instance, let's say that if I don't know if they do, but let's say an example where that is the case. If the regulatory system of the nation is supposed to make sure and mandate certain things like this, or let's even say let's per state or per county. What would make it acceptable for that to exist in one factor and not be honored in the other factor, even if it is a more honorable position?
Speaker 1:So I want to make sure I got your question correct, that you're asking, like in instances where cops don't want to wear the camera, that they can justify it versus somebody in the civilian world not having that same accountability. I'm confused.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I can. I can rephrase that a bit. So, essentially, if there is a mandate for accountability and regulatory systems, that is honest and just because it is actually going to solve a real issue, as you saw, like this is not. This is to address something. It's not like out of thin air, just as like a cutesy thing. So the fight back against that is that I might get punished in the in, like a smaller form, with something way less severe than the thing we're fighting.
Speaker 5:If the truckers can't make that same argument or like, let's say, with the judicial system is covering that same. You must do this or you will be penalized because this is like a worker's rights whatever. Penalized because this is like a worker's rights whatever. Then why is that something that a police officer can go? Just because, even though I have a much bigger thing that I'm trying to quell, just because I don't want my music to be heard, I'm able to get away with this, while the same person might make that argument with something bigger. Let's say a trucker saying if I like I almost fall asleep on the road, I got you okay, so I'm going to get in trouble for it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I agree with you, like for me, like I'm with you that the body camera should be worn, and I think I don't know any cops anymore Maybe some of the really old school guys that were against it, but I don't know any cops anymore that would be against it. But I can see, at the end of the day, I don't want to go to work knowing that I'm could be victim of a witch hunt. So I want some protections, just like anybody else. I want some protections from from the inside stuff. So I think it is, I think it's a fair request for officers to be like dude, I'm not going to wear that thing If you're just going to throw it out there and you're not going to give me, you're not even going to put it on paper. How is that fair? Like you want people to want to do this job and there's something sketchy that you know. It's like hey, sign this contract, trust me, everything's good. You know what I mean. Like now I want to read the fine print. Like, let me, let me read over it real quick, you know? Um, so I don't think it's mutually exclusive. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1:I I agree with you. I see what you're saying and I agree with that side, but I also agree with the officers on that point of not being a witch hunt. So, um, I'm kind of neglecting the, the, uh people talking, so I'm trying to get to that. Freeman Keyes beyond upsetting, disinfuriating I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes. I think we're talking about the shooting that we just watched. Yeah, I'm trying to get to that, guys. And yeah, mr Belfold, thank you for putting that out there.
Speaker 3:This cop got nothing, which is fucking insane to me. While you're looking through those real quick, Eric, the one thing I would say about all of this is not all departments have the same body camera abilities that other agencies have. Some of the smaller agencies have lesser abilities and so they're still working with the technology they have and they don't operate the same, and so we have some of those issues still happening. I know when we first got body cameras, you know we were all worried about the data filling up and things like that. Like the agency I'm at now, we still have to go and physically upload all the data, and many of the other agencies have to. You know it automatically uploads and so mine goes to the cloud.
Speaker 3:Right, it's not. It's apples and oranges in a lot of agencies and so, so, like in my agency, you know we get, we really get concerned about, you know, battery length and you know, will it make it a whole shift. So you're trying, okay, do you turn it on now and and it? Yes, policy says this, but I also want it to make through a whole shift, and so it's this balancing act that is because of the technology. It's great, I wouldn't, I would not do the job without it, but I do think that there is, across the board, not the same type of body cameras or same experience with the body camera.
Speaker 1:So yeah, um, neva said um. The other question that I have is if a good cop does nothing to stop a bad cop from doing bad things, where is the good cop? Um again here in the state of texas that's illegal.
Speaker 8:If we don't, there's charges are going to be pressed on the cop. Eric, I did not mean to step on your toes, but I hear this a lot. Um, and it's in other States too, but I can't preach on it because I don't know their laws. And the state of Texas vet officer does not deescalate and or stop the actions, regardless of rank, because this is what protects those entry-level officers.
Speaker 8:If a Lieutenant or a captain, sergeant, corporal, etc. Anybody above them fto, even on scene, acts erratically, breaks the law and that officer that's even a rookie level does not intervene, that is charges on them. So and I've seen in in action to where they actually act on Is that going to get shown in the media? No, 99.9% of the time it doesn't, because they actually did their job and that corporal, fto, lieutenant, captain gets excused or demoted or sent to retraining or fired, which is probably the best bet, or, if there's criminal charges, even better, gets taken care of. So I love the Lone Star State for that. At least they put that legislation. I believe that was in 2017, 2018 when that was in effect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mama G said so. The cops that have morals and integrity are actually endangered by their brothers. That has not been my experience. That's not been my experience Anytime cops and I haven't been around for it to happen, but I've heard of it in my own department that a cop stepped out and another cop quickly put them in their place and did the right thing. So again I fall back to the health of that department, because these departments that we see this bad stuff going on.
Speaker 1:I put out a video not too long ago. I'll actually pull it up. Let me find it real quick. It wasn't that one, it wasn't this one. Give me one second. I'm going to find it here. It is Okay, I'm going to share this one. Give me one second, I'm going to find it here. It is Okay, I'm going to share this video. So we're going to share this Share. I'm going to click on this guy. We're going to biggie size. I'm really dialed in because right now I have another First Amendment auditory issue At the bank Trespass. Well, we need your information. Nope, nope, I got trespass.
Speaker 2:Well, we need your information nope, nope, I gotta talk to you. We need your information to trespass you from the bank. I've never been on their property. We're gonna confirm that.
Speaker 1:So you've already confirmed it. Yeah, you're blocking my way. Hey, hey, it's not the manager.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is no I don't no, you tell me that I can't go on the property and that's the end of it no yeah, that's how it works, to document it, because then we would never be, documenting by saying this gentleman uh is on. We don't know was never on their property, that's not how that works. It is how it works, man You're the chief. What's your name?
Speaker 2:A man exercising his rights is being uncooperative. Yes, you are being uncooperative. How is that? Say the word disturbance, I dare you. I already know how it goes, guys. You don't know what I used to do. You don't know what I currently do. I I looked and turned towards the window, not doing anything. So anybody who looks towards the bank window is suspicious. Yes, it is, it's cold outside.
Speaker 1:Just in that comment alone, I just want to slap the shit out of him. Just because you looked in a window, you're suspicious. In the middle of the day, on a public sidewalk in the middle of the city, you're suspicious. Get the fuck out of here. That's to my point. When you have a unhealthy department, it starts from the top down, and this was a clear case of that, in my opinion. So they all clearly had criminal trespass wrong, had no idea what they were talking about. So there's a lack of training, there's a gap there. They need improvement on that and I think that's a very easy, fixable thing. So I don't blame the officers necessarily for being wrong, because you just heard the chief be wrong. So how can you hold them to the standard that even their chief is not like? Why is their chief out there to begin with?
Speaker 8:And this is where and I may be wrong on this, but this is where district attorney and investigators need to get involved in their districts, you know, if they're not receiving the right training, this is where, because everything is getting filed through their court, their district investigators are the second tier of investigation that goes on, especially for felony cases that are following up and making sure everything is true and correct. So we need to make sure our officers are true and correct when they're out there dealing with daily life of law enforcement.
Speaker 8:So when stuff is brought in through the Department of Justice and TECL or Texas Rangers here in the state of Texas, those district investigators need to come out and put on some classes and need to make sure that these officers understand the true Fourth Amendment, to say the least, on that.
Speaker 8:These officers understand the true fourth amendment, to say the least, on what these officers are doing each and every day, and so shame on them for not doing that. I know they mean well and etc. Etc. But you have these mom and pop police departments and these are the ones that control the country because, just as eric said a little while ago, we have a lot of departments across this country that have three and four officers as a totality, including their chief, that serve, and we also have some agencies, at least in Texas, that are serving as a city police chief and the city manager, all in one role, and so they're trying to do two things. I mean I don't think that should be the case, but then again, I'm not the power of the bee, but the training, and Eric and I scream on this every single week. It is not there. It needs to improve, period.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, wade Lucero said this is a central tyrant investigation. He is a veteran and a very smart. He acts like the street dude. I like him a lot, or I like him and follow him. Oh, oh, the guy that okay. Yeah, I really like some of the styles of the First Amendment auditors where they I love there's one in particular he never talks, he just lets the cops fucking dig a hole. It is actually kind of funny. And oh, pravis jumped on. Look at you, buddy, thank you he's. He's like what's up? Uh, evening gentlemen, evening pravis. Um, let me see.
Speaker 1:Deputy deputy d eric, do you, do you ever reach out to the officers you call out and ask them what the fuck were they thinking and just get their side of the story? No, a lot of times I don't know how to reach out to these people. Like y'all give me more credit for abilities than I really have. I would love for y'all to reach out to them and see if they'd be willing to talk and we could discuss their video. That would be great, because I think that would clear up a lot of things. I think you'd realize the intention wasn't nearly as bad as their training was. A lot of times I think it's training guys. I think 99% of the time it's training. So, um, that's me.
Speaker 1:But uh, mr Belfold, but those but those types of idiot cops become the FTOs and the chiefs and get promoted. You are fucking right, promoted. You are fucking right, sir. Yep, you are right. Uh, there are. There are a couple silent auditors. Yeah, they're dude, the silent auditors. They're like one of my favorites right now, because I'm just sitting there and I'm listening to this cop. You know you got to talk to me. You know you got to tell me this. You know you gotta like give me your id and I'm like, oh, my god, shut up, stop, you're gonna get yourself in so much trouble.
Speaker 5:And they, every time, Definitely, with that pompousness that some come with it, it does defeat the point, okay so.
Speaker 1:Damien, I'm still going to let you keep asking questions and doing all that stuff, but we do have a point of the live that I kind of want to invite you to and I want your feedback. I want you to give us some stuff because I want the civilian perspective. We don't get that very often, so what we do is we watch body cam video live that we've never seen before, and when we do that we try to discuss the video. We'll pause it a lot, as though we are the officers in the video and tell you what we would do next, like okay, this is what I see, here's what I'm thinking, this is what I do next. We're not Monday morning quarterbacking, but what we're doing is kind of showing how how banning would handle a call versus how I would handle a call as it's developing.
Speaker 1:It's a unique perspective that a lot of people don't discuss. It's very easy to watch a whole video and be like that citizen fucked up, everybody fucked up. We should have done it this way. I don't like doing that. I like to be like all right, based on the way that I've been trained, this is what I'm seeing, this is what I'm thinking as the call develops, and then a lot of times I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, but you see, like, oh, okay, that's where their training goes and that's why they're thinking what they're thinking. And then everybody in the audience gets to be like, okay, cool, like why this, though, or why not that? And we get to bridge a lot of gaps in education that way, and and and people in the audience are able to be like well, why didn't you do this? And I'm sitting back and I'm like, oh, I never thought of that. That's a good point as well.
Speaker 1:So, things to things to consider, sir. Um, let me see. Um, that's not pop eric. Will you play them please? I, I don't know, I don't have any right now, sir. So what are you doing? Okay, alan's doing something. I'm letting him. I don't know what the fuck he's doing. Okay, folks, we're just standing by. Right now I don't have control of my computer. Alan is pulling up something he wants to show.
Speaker 5:Well, if we have a moment. No, I was going to say I was about to say.
Speaker 1:If you have another question, now is probably the perfect time, sir.
Speaker 5:Oh great, yeah. So when it comes to the point that you were making, like I actually really, really love the concept of doing that because I'm somebody who, like I, have another side channel. I've bank backlogged, I haven't launched yet called case studies where, like it's so crucial to kind of go through each thing pace by pace, with every single example of how you can evolve, innovate and, like you know, take inspiration from and that's really something that I'm a student pilot. That is like key in aviation, where anytime there's an incident okay, like you said before banning, banning, um. There was a moment where they were describing the idea of having, um, uh, the, you know, the, the secondaries, those who are in the lower form ranking actually be able to go. Okay, I'm going to stand up, I'm going to make sure that I'm making my call uh known.
Speaker 5:That is something that aviation has taught. You know, a few accidents happen where the second, second, the, the student pilot would have you would have known the actual thing to do never stopped. That changed everything. Everybody is now evolving to whatever occurs. So every single incident that happens in aviation crash or not is recorded by the ntsb. They actually learn about it, they actually make you do retraining. They actually improve the entire system and structure. Like, is there a way that you can kind of take these and like not almost make a list, but like kind of get like the highlights that I can almost turn into like a petition or like something that you can push to kind of manifest this into like actual policy?
Speaker 8:so I can speak on that as well. I've been a pilot since 2006. Um, and the, the I wish a hefty engine.
Speaker 8:Well it is Everybody's like how many is going up with you? I was like uh, me, just me, and you know I'm one of those guys that flies and it's kind of like, anyway, uh, joking, joking aside, the the aviation industry has gone through as much, if not more, uh, law enforcement because it's always in the public eye either just like law enforcement is all the issues air traffic control, everything like that but what are they constantly doing? They're constantly going back in there and saying where did we screw up? How do we make it better? Where's the training needed? We've got 180 souls on board. We've got to make sure we do this, this and this. And not only do we have the training from the federal government, but we also have the training from the airlines themselves, and I've never been an airline pilot, okay. So let me throw that out there.
Speaker 8:I used my GI Bill, went up through commercial, got that all done, just to fall back whenever this goes to shit. Just something to fall back on. However, they do have a lot more training, and I get it. They're always like there's lives at stake. Well, there's also lives at stake every day in law enforcement. I hope we didn't lose Mr Billfold. I know he made a comment out there he's going to leave. I love the heck out of the guy. I've never met him. We've never gone out and had an adult beverage or a Coke together or an ice cream and a smile whatever. I still want to do that, but we do.
Speaker 8:Eric and I are here pushing for that. There are several law enforcement agencies out there that have an amazing amount of training and these other small ones need to reciprocate. And if the money's not there, uncle Sam has got to provide that, because these guys that are out in the middle of nowhere that are doing the same job as dallas pd or houston or austin, they've got to go out there and do the same thing that those officers are doing, and they've got to have the resources available. So you know so. So, damian, thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 8:Yes, there are, and that's that's more under a federal umbrella when it comes to piloting. But even your basic private pilot has got a lot more than just check the box stuff. He's got to go out there and perform in an aircraft with a federal official watching him before they're going to issue said license. So I hope I'm not losing anybody in that. I'm not an expert in it, I'm just a novice. But I love how they do that, because they're not going to just throw you up in an airplane and say good luck, dude. I mean it's no, and I do think that needs to be that. Am I saying that the federal government needs to come into every small agency and say, show me how to do a proper traffic stop. No, but there needs to be more than just check the box training in these academies around the globe period.
Speaker 5:And can I just add one last thing on that before we play is that when it comes to that, like people, like when you talk about innovating and not actually going about looking through solutions, this would be as simple as the common excuse is we don't have the budget, we don't have the budget. Look at what the highest level of things that you keep getting fined for train specifically in that area make the improvements around that area. You got the budget because you're not getting these crazy suits. For this exact example, Like is that not the solution?
Speaker 1:How dare you use common sense, you fucking asshole?
Speaker 7:How dare you use common sense?
Speaker 5:jesus I mean it seems so, like it's because it's you're talking about like 100 000 $1,000 thing. If you just had the accountability, like you can't tell me right, I have the budget, you are hemorrhaged, but the kid for cash like um scandal. There's all these things where they're intent, like whether it's private prisons. These guys are making money and doing these things, so it's also regular that private prison shit that blew up Thanks to Joe. Rogan Money's there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was yeah. Yeah, we had a Derek Hamilton that was on Joe Rogan. He was wrongly convicted of homicide, did 26 years from a corrupt NYPD detective. Um, they ended up having like 27 other homicide cases like looked into and are looking to be overturned because he had fabricated evidence and whatnot. So um shout out to derek uh he's, he's been on here, good dude. But yeah, yeah, dude, you would think a little bit of common sense, some sometimes, um, and I think ego comes into play on some of these where they're like it's not so much that they're doing the right thing, it's the. I think I can win, I think I can avoid us paying $1,000.
Speaker 5:It's very us versus them with the FLP at times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't even know if that again, I don't even know if necessarily that that's the play, is the us versus them as much as it's the? Can we, you know, block this? Can we like the ego comes into play, I think. I think I think the ego has a lot to do with some of this stuff. Um, it's not so much of let's do the right thing. It's like can we do this, let me see? And you're like what the fuck?
Speaker 5:right what well, I guess I should have actually clarified this. It's almost not necessarily the. It's there's two systems where it's there's protect and defend and then there's law and order. So there's certain communities will have different roles and the us versus them applies specifically in the communities. It could be like a rural or like a one factory town where there's like a bunch of drug epidemics and like instead of helping the community, they're just taking money off of them, like snatching people up. It's it. I wouldn't say the. I failed in the way I just delivered that but the law and order versus protect and serve. If the protect and serve can be applied across the board, that's where the issue is mag.
Speaker 1:Mag dump said damien, spot on. If you took what they spend on settlements and lawsuits and stopped fucking up so much, they would have the budget. Um, and then in some cases, guys, here's been our experience where us as cops were like why are you guys not fighting this? Why are you giving? Why are you doing a settlement? Why are you settling when we're right? Because that's happened. I've watched that personally. We're right, 100, we are 100 right and they're like it's cheaper to throw 30 000 at them and just settle than it is to go to court and fight this thing out and I'm like but we're right.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and my whole thing on that is when you settle and I understand the attorneys are going to write up some mumbo jumbo that doesn't express guilt. My thing is if you settle with somebody and this is Banning's opinion there's no law enforcement agency behind me that's going to agree with this You're admitting guilt. If opinion there's no law enforcement agency behind me that's going to agree with this, you're admitting guilt. If you are right, take it to the farm, go there, show all the facts and express it. If it costs you a little bit more to prove that you guys have done right, then do that. However, I understand it's a business when it comes down to tax dollars. We've got to run the organization like a business. But I've also seen a lot of things get spent over exorbitantly that shouldn't be spent within city budgets, county budgets, state etc yeah, um eye of the night.
Speaker 1:There needs to be some classes on falling acorns. I think those are important too. I agree with you, because you may. You may be hit by a falling acorn and decide to unload your whole fucking magazine into a vehicle. So, damien, I hope that answers your question. So you got any follow up to that?
Speaker 5:Yeah, just if you have the time. Pretty much like that. The premise of these ideas where people go all right, it's just let it be. What have you? Like? I say absolutely fight every single thing. That is a problem because literally the only thing that's hemorrhaging you money it might cost you 30,000, might cost you 100,000 to fight a regular case is fair. The thing that is a real issue is when you arrest somebody unfairly, when you like I can think of five cases right now, three million, six million, so on and so forth paid out because of these. They just complete like malpractice or just so on and so forth. Obvious from the beginning. But it was the defending of the officer and I'm not even saying the officer needs to be penalized. He could be fired, he could even be staying the job. But don't just say it, admit fault, address the situation immediately, don't make it worse so you have a bigger fine. These are the things that cost, not necessarily fighting honest and true things that are worth the time so that your justice system is valid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I agree. I agree Alan's fucking with the picture. And to the point some of the people are putting in the comments most agencies have no idea how to go through the bureaucracy to get the funding for what they need. Harrison Brock said you might think right in losing court, that's fine, I would rather lose putting up the good fight. I would rather lose thinking that I was right. You know, if I pulled somebody out of a vehicle because they refuse whatever it is, I'm just, I'm just throwing out some ideas, you know. And then it turns out that the courts are like no, shouldn't have done that. Okay, cool, tell me why. That's all I need. Like, if I was wrong, I'm fine with being wrong. I just need to know why I was wrong so I don't do it again. Let me know.
Speaker 5:Either way, we can learn, but when we settle, we don't learn shit and when you share the evidence, it's it's now out in the public, like, for instance, it's always, as I said, with the two-party system, it's about having a high enough quality lawyer because you can always use legalese to get around any law. So oj is guilt is innocent, like, stop that stuff. I, I don't get right right right.
Speaker 1:But we all know, and just to your point, you may win, but the evidence is going to show, people are going to know, they're going to know that you okay, you okay.
Speaker 8:You got off on a technicality, but you were wrong like I'm going to share something that that a lot of cops probably won't share and I don't want to see any dick pics bro oh you said that a lot of cops won't share, so anyway um, when I was hired in the law enforcement one of my professional standards people told me they said if you do good in your job, every law enforcement officer across the country gets sued meaning the agency for your actions on what you do out there in the streets. So if you take that and you look at how many officers are out there and how many lawsuits that would be, I don't agree with that 100%. Now, when he told me that I'm just a sponge, I'm learning this and that and I don't know what the statistics are on that type of thing, have I been in internal affairs for a complaint? Yes, has it been exonerated? Yes, you know somebody you know, oh, you know.
Speaker 8:Officer Swetland was rude on a traffic stop. They bring it in, of course, thank God. I had dash cam, body camera, drone footage, their cell phone footage and of course I wasn't rude, thank goodness. Am I the perfect cop? No, I'm not. Do we wake up and need a tampon for this or that because of our attitude? You betcha, we're freaking human, but we can't take that out on the public.
Speaker 8:But I guess what I'm getting at is that comment that was made to me is every officer is sued within a 20-year career, eric, have you heard that? I mean, I have not heard that until that gentleman told me that and he's still at law enforcement today and he still makes those statements and get it. You know, law enforcement agencies are sued all the time but, um, if you look at it, every, if every, officer was sued in a 24 or a 20 to 25 year career. That's freaking horrendous, man. I mean, where's the problem at and what are we doing to fix that? If that's the truth and what he, what he stated?
Speaker 8:So the end of that that comment was is you won't even know half the time when you're sued, because the city and the entity that's suing you will will, will settle out of court and, uh, you won't even hear about it because you don't have to come testify, etc. Because it's a civil lawsuit, and I don't agree with that. I I believe if you're an officer, your name is brought, brought up to whatever judging accounting unit that's going on and money's about to be exchanged. You need to be advised of that as an officer because somebody didn't like whatever your directives were on scene or whatever. But I do know that that does happen, that agencies do get sued and they settle out of court. Without that law enforcement officer's knowledge, you know if it's a small lawsuit or whatever. I don't agree with that 100%. I do not agree with that at all.
Speaker 1:I'm with you, Damon. Anything else before we get to a video?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean, I was just going to say when it comes to that, I'm not too sure if this ties directly, but I know that that is something that I heard. Similarly, I studied a lot of how you get these executive or pretty much like diplomatic immunity and like the wealthy and all this stuff do what they do Pretty much like I hear that a lot of the reason why they keep the police from being able to know about these things is that it kind of makes it so that those who are in the know know that if you fight it in court the officer isn't going to show and you kind of get off without having to worry about these things. So it kind of lets those who are kind of educated skip the same legal processes that would fall on somebody less educated or maybe who can't afford a lawyer. What have you? Yeah.
Speaker 5:Is that something is that does that connect to that same thing, or is this two different issues?
Speaker 8:I think it's connected, you know, however, you know when I, however, when I'm actively serving as a law enforcement officer in the peace officer and looking at everything, and they represent banning swetland and saying, hey, this is why, after they spoke to me, they look at the entire case in the entirety and they speak for the officer. It's not like what new york has and other east coast things off of highway 95, but we do have an association and it's prepaid, legal. If that kind of breaks it down to people, the agency itself or the city, as soon as the officer is accused from what I've seen, is they they turn their back. They're going to protect the city for how they should and they want to look at the entirety of the case before they make judgment on the city employee. Does that make sense?
Speaker 5:I don't know Absolutely. He's like I'd unmute absolutely.
Speaker 1:He's like I'd unmute. Alright, let's get to the body cam videos here. Okay, so, first and foremost, we're going to give a shout out to which one's the first one here. It looks like my very first video is on police body cam videos. So go to their YouTube channel. Make sure you guys give them credit for this, and let me share the screen here. We're almost two hours in Damn, we're a little over an hour and a half.
Speaker 5:Sorry, did I throw you off there? Oh no, you're good, you're good, you're good man, you're good.
Speaker 1:You are a welcome change to what we did, sir. Good, you are a welcome change to what we did, sir. So for you, being the very first person I think that we've had on in this fashion, this worked out great, so I'm very happy with what we've done. So we got this biggie size. We have not seen this video. We're going to see what happens and we'll pause and discuss as we go. Everybody knows the game. Let's play.
Speaker 6:Are we muted? No, we're good, okay. New York Attorney General released body-worn camera footage relating to the death of Rakeem Tillery, who died on January 3, 2024, following an encounter with the New York State Police in Ramapo. Encounter with the New York State Police in Ramapo. On the afternoon of January 3rd, two NYSP troopers pulled over a car on the New York State Thruway based on a report about an incident that had taken place earlier the same day in Albany. Mr Tillery was the driver of the car. Mr Tillery fired a gun at the troopers and the troopers fired their guns at Mr Tillery. Mr Tillery was declared dead at the scene. A gun was recovered at the scene.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:I forget. When we don't use police activity it's always a little different. So, typically, for those wondering why it's muted, right now, body cam footage is muted the first 30 seconds because once it's activated, it retroacts the first 30 seconds. Okay, I have no fucking clue why we're here. What's going on? We jumped out of the car. All I heard was don't, and then I heard a lot of gunfire. So if I am this officer, I am unassing, I am pulling my weapon and I am trying to get behind some cover to figure out what's going on, because that's what we can see Banning you got anything?
Speaker 8:No same thing.
Speaker 1:Okay, Damien, you see this. What is your reaction sir?
Speaker 5:This is the type of things that is justifiably fear mongering and causing officers to shoot people regardless of any perceived notion, because of the fear, and this is probably somebody with a criminal record that thinks that they're going to get away with it by doing this. So this person needs to go, and that's exactly what I think should be about to happen.
Speaker 1:OK, so other considerations we're on highway or freeway or expressway, whatever you want to call it A lot of people involved in this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have to be. If I am this officer and I'm going to pull my gun, I have to be extra careful already with where I fire. If I fire because I've got people to worry about and I've got to worry about oncoming traffic Like, people don't just stop, they may slow down, you may get lucky and they slow down. It's always really nice when you get a semi-truck that can kind of start, because semi-trucks see stuff way ahead of everybody else and they will get traffic slowed down for you hopefully. But I will say, since the cell phone generation, semi-trucks aren't as good as they used to be. No shots fired for my truck drivers out there, but you guys aren't as good as you used to be, so let's keep going. Where are we at? Okay, that's very confusing. There was a lone person on the ground. I'm going to go back just a second. I want to see who's firing and where.
Speaker 5:He already lost all his rounds.
Speaker 1:Who is shooting? Oh, the officer we have was shooting. Okay, so we're fighting Popeye. The officer must have fired at this dude. Did you see the same thing?
Speaker 8:banning is is is I did, but the whole thing with, with, with. I'm not putting a you know, axon, motorola, whatever body camera you have, it's just a microphone. Yeah, that shot can be from the, from the officer himself when he's coming out, and the decibel rating in the microphone is going to be the same as somebody 130 feet away, 130 yards away, when they discharge, because any time it's over 125 dBs that microphone is going to take it under a different duress, if you will, and control it to where it's not cracking that microphone. So the listener or watcher is getting the same exact harmony in those shots. So you don't know who's truly coming from, unless you have it on body camera or dash cam yeah, audio clipping if you ever wanted to look into that um, mag dump said all right, gotta bounce.
Speaker 1:I have my own podcast to get to eric vanny allen. Stay safe. Uh, tcod crew, have a good night, be safe. Appreciate you, brother, thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Um and andy fletcher saiddump watched a court case for DUI. Judge caught cop lying, told DA to charge him. She refused. He dismissed all her cases with prejudice and was removed from the bench. Damn, yeah. Okay, so let's keep going. Let's see how this works out here. From here, this guy's hands are free. So that's what I'm seeing. As an officer, I don't need my firearm at this point. I'm going to drop my level of force, if you will, and time to earn that paycheck and go hands on. That's what I was going to say here.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, that's what I was going to say, is you? You know he went to work and good on him for not, uh, getting lost in the moment and continuing on. It continues higher yeah yeah, the stressor and all that you know. He focused in on what he had to do next yep, so all right, let's keep going here.
Speaker 1:oh, we're in by Moscow. There it is, get the fuck out All right.
Speaker 7:Who's shooting Did?
Speaker 1:you guys hear that While we're fighting over a gun, he's headbutting Get off. Okay, I'm going to be trying to direct my other officer. Shoot him. He's pulling, he's grabbing my gun. I don't know if that is locked back because the gun's empty or if it's locked or if it's locked back because it's out of battery or whatever.
Speaker 1:Um, I guess it just depends if, if I know, if, if I've got the ability in a life and death fight, so to speak, and I know that my gun's empty and we're just fighting over an empty gun, I'm not going to tell my partner to shoot him. I'm going to be like my gun's out, my gun's out, my gun's out. So he knows, because that other officer may see that as, oh shit, they're fighting over a gun he doesn't know it's empty. So things to consider Get the fuck down. What is so? Things to consider. What is his partner doing? Here's my question.
Speaker 8:Why was his partner not hands-on with him? Did you see that? No, and the body camera is not bringing that to light, even though it's a wide, wide camera angle. We're not. We're not seeing that, so we need to see the other body camera as well yeah, I'm hoping they show the other one.
Speaker 1:So, um for me, okay. So if I'm going to continue to be like, all right, this is what I'd be to tell my partner grab him, grab him, help me grab him. Like don't worry about your taser, don't worry about your him, don't worry about your taser, don't worry about your pepper spray, don't worry about your baton, don't worry about your gun. Help me Fight this guy. You've got to earn your paycheck every once in a while. Guys, that's just how this game is played. Let's keep going.
Speaker 8:I think so. You've got to cut him up.
Speaker 1:So we're going to secure the scene. Okay, so we are gonna get the car off. God, this is such a shit position. You gotta worry about traffic, you gotta worry about your partner. Look at the car as we're zooming by. Okay, so ducking and taking cover with the shots fired Air.
Speaker 2:Hey, stay down, stay the fuck down, stay, the fuck down.
Speaker 1:Okay. So from this partner's perspective, he just heard gunshots. We're not exactly 100% sure who fired, so I get where this officer's coming from. He's got his gun out and he's trying to figure it out. Bannon, you got anything to add on that? Not yet. Damien, from your perspective, what are you thinking right now?
Speaker 5:This is actually kind of fascinating because, if I'm being honest, you guys actually have so much more reserve than I thought this role required the millisecond that he's shooting at an officer, even if he just pulled out the gun and the officer was the one firing I, he just pulled out the gun and the officer was the one firing. I mean, I thought it was open house, like open season, like that, when you said that when okay, he no longer has the weapon, but he's reaching for your weapon, but it's empty, no need to fire. I'm thinking he's attempting lethal force and, if I'm being honest, I might not be one of the most purest of cops, because my thought is this guy is a guy who needs to be taken out because he's a obvious threat to society and he's actually trying to assassinate people look, let me.
Speaker 8:Let me add to that, damien, just so you can understand my mindset if I was a patrol officer, or maybe even eric's when he arrives on scene.
Speaker 8:So just in this frozen scene that we see. You can see what seven cars right. So, as you're approaching this person, you may be billy badass. You go to the range, uh, three times a month. You're approaching this person. You may be Billy Badass, you go to the range three times a month. You're a great person, but what our officers and I'm speaking on the good ones, the majority out there we're responsible for every round that goes down range.
Speaker 8:So if you miss this person right there, so if this is our view as a body camera footage we're aiming out, this is a deadly scenario where we never want to end a life, but you have to end that action to where nobody dies. You shoot just above him. It hits that concrete and then bounces up and hits that maroon Honda Accord 80 yards ahead, and you know. So this is what goes through. Officers that actually you know, love this profession and we don't want to hurt somebody that's not involved in this. And then you have just to the left, you have another car that's about 400 yards. Just to the left of that, You've got one at 50 yards and then, right across the highway, you've got two going by at 70 miles an hour If a round goes astray from an officer and hits them. We're, that's holy crap, man. Could you imagine?
Speaker 8:The feeling of pumping and dumping is what some people say. And we're, we're putting rounds down range. We're responsible for that general public out there, and I know we have some people. Oh, no, man, cops are this and this and this. Here's the real deal. We don't want to hurt anybody unless they're trying to take a life or hurt somebody. So when they're not just pumping and dumping and shooting these rounds to end that threat, it's because of what's in the background. Yeah, I don't know where this is at. I don't know what's going on. Uh, to the totality, other than what we read. But when you look at this scene, look at that as a jury member, um, a year and a half after the situation, and they're not pulling those rounds because of all the innocent people that are going to family, coming home from work, going to lunch, this, and that they have no business to be involved in this call based on an officer wanting to pump it up and get rid of this suspect for trying to hurt somebody. That's Banning's opinion, that's interesting.
Speaker 5:If I can, I would say that one question I would have is by the way, yes, bjj is super important. I think that's the solution and I do think, as I said, I'm detecting immediately that this is a lot that you need to process immediately. I would not have been able to know everything that's going on. You. That's a lot of training. I take my hat off to you guys, but when it comes to like the ricochet, I did not consider ricochet on top of just aim. So like is there any? Like you can't use hollow points, but like it's subsonic. Like is there anything you could do to like there's's no?
Speaker 1:No, we do use hollow points. We do oh okay. Well, the thing with a hollow point is a hollow point. Doesn't travel as far.
Speaker 5:Exactly.
Speaker 1:That's part of why we use hollow points. It isn't because they're deadly, it's because they expand very quickly and their kinetic energy I guess it would be dissipates very quickly, so it doesn't travel through things as well.
Speaker 1:That's why we want to use hollow points that's actually exactly why I was thinking it yeah, okay, that's good yeah, so, and the reason why um they had brought up the idea of bjj is I've been in um bjj since 2006 and I have put out um over and over and over again on this podcast that I think it should be mandatory that officers are blue belts in Brazilian jujitsu and that the department should be paying for their officers to go to class. It has to be approved classes. You don't want them going to make dojos and stuff like that where they just pump out belts and whatnot. But there should be sorts of tracking on your attendance and whatnot. But if you're going to invest your money into stuff, that's one way to invest into your officers and I guarantee your use of force will be much lower. Banny, what were you giggling about?
Speaker 8:When you say the big dojos that they pump out belts and there are unfortunately some very, very low amount there are some dojos out there that are like keep paying the money and you're going to advance some belts, and that drives me absolutely insane, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to do a little pushback here on Neva Banning. You and you are talking like all other LE are like-minded to you. I hate to say it, but they are not at all like-minded. Many only care about their own safety and getting home at the end of the day. One, that's not a bad thing. You should want to get home safe, like that is. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But two, I don't think that he's far off. I know a lot of officers that think the same way I do.
Speaker 5:But again, I have a healthy department, at least in my opinion and I might add that I, as I said, I know a lot of officers. I know officers on a spectrum. I know a lot of offers that pride themselves in stomping heads and talking about how they're going to get home, no matter what I'll tell you. I know that is a prideful bunch that have that feeling. I know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's all perspective. It's based on who we know and what we do. I have the Night said banning you and Eric and the others you have on here don't want to hurt anyone. We have seen plenty of videos where officers go straight to violence. They are absolutely looking to hurt somebody. And I've seen those videos and violence, they are absolutely looking to hurt somebody. Um, and I've seen those videos and I've we've called them out, like the sonia massey one. That dude was itching to do some dumb shit. You know, like he had so many I mean me and banning. When we watch that video on sonia massey, we bring it up a lot.
Speaker 1:But there were so many times like all right, I'd leave here. We didn't know what was gonna happen. And we're like, yeah, okay, I would leave here. No, the guy keeps going. All right, I would have left here.
Speaker 1:I think we picked like six or seven times outside of the house we would have left, and then another three or four times inside the house. We're like, all right, I'd leave here, like this lady's clearly, you know she got a little loony stuff going on Leave. Like get the fuck out of there. Why are we still there? And then all of a sudden, it just turns to shit really fast and we're like, why the fuck are you still there? Go, and you, as the partner, should have been like all right, I'm sorry about that. We're gonna leave now, like fucking get out of there. Nope, that's not what happened anyway. All right, let's keep going with this video here. Um, from what we see right now, uh, it's hard to tell. I'll kind of do this number here. Yeah, you can see that they're grappling on the ground. I can see the hands. This is a bad spot for the officer. His belt's vulnerable. He's got a headlock maneuver on this guy.
Speaker 8:This is actually a good sweeping position to be in if you're the bottom officer, if you know what you're doing. And I think, eric and I'm not only because of what I've seen in the video I think the lane that they're sitting in is an actual lane of travel. Yeah, and there's yeah. So this is a bad go around, because even if an officer or if a citizen gets in that lane and hits somebody, now they're involved and are they in the wrong? You know, and that's you know. I'm not going to say that they are, because they're traveling at 65, 70 miles an hour. They see the lights, the lights can be confusing, and then they're trying to get around it and they don't know if this is a deflated tire. I mean, this is reality, when you're coming up on an object and you know, and when they, when it goes to court, they may be going to prison because they hit an object and that object happened to be three, you know human heartbeats.
Speaker 8:Yeah people trying to digress the situation award.
Speaker 1:I love him because he is my spirit animal. Sometimes he goes. You get two knocks and a doorbell ring, then I'm out. He's referring to the sonia massey thing, like because they did, I think they. They sat on the door for quite a while trying to get her to go there. He's like, no, I'm gonna knock and then I'm gonna ring the doorbell and I'm leaving.
Speaker 8:Yeah that's reality on a lot of calls yeah, yeah, yep, yep, agreed.
Speaker 1:Uh, neva said. While I can totally agree with us all getting home safe, I do not agree with anyone putting that at risk. I did say that not all are like-minded and I wish that more were better for all of us. I agree, I agree, okay, let's keep going. Oh, my God, damien, that you may not consider.
Speaker 1:When we shoot on the range, we're shooting into a target, right, right, the holes go in. When you shoot at something with clothing, you can't see the holes Right and you're not. So this person, this officer, just walked up and from what I heard, it sounded like he tried to do a contact shot. So in that, you're still not 100% sure. If you hit him, you have to watch his behavior to see if it worked. Still not 100 sure. If you hit him, you have to watch his behavior, see it work. Um, I would prefer, knowing that this guy's hands are empty if they are that he goes hands-on. I would go hands-on to try to help my partner here, um, because when you fire more close, like jesus, anything can happen. You end up hitting your partner. I don't know that. I'm willing to risk that it did that.
Speaker 5:Seemed a little scary to take that shot, right.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes that was a sketch shot. It seemed to work. I think he went for a body shot, so we'll see. So he just shot again. Look at the cars. Oh, did you see the smoke coming off of the, the semi truck? He was hitting his brakes so hard? Holy shit. I'm going to go back just a little bit. Maybe you guys can see it. Set her fucked up, sit down. Look at that smoke Sit down.
Speaker 1:What is he doing? Set her fucked up. They're fighting over the gun man he fired again. Traffic's stopped. There's a gun on the ground. Holy shit, that was a shit show it was. I wish there was more.
Speaker 8:A lot of these agencies that have body cameras, also have dash cam, and I wish when we pull this and I see this happen a lot in the state of texas they're asking for all camera angles and references. Some call and they're giving them the body camera footage redacted in areas that officers are making calls to their wives or whatever like they should. But give that body camera or give the, give the dash cam as well. Yeah, when you have that dash cam, it's a sitting, uh, cinematographic view of what's going on and it can kind of fill in the voids of what people are asking. On this one, I think if we had a couple of dash cams on this, eric, I think you'd agree that we can kind of see the angles of different things that are going on, maybe some things that we missed on these body camera stuff. But I think it needs to be added on these.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree. I agree. Who is somebody's talking out of pocket here? I kind of saw it. Wade Lucero said officer, safety is an oxymoron. Police shoot and kill 30 times more. Citizens shoot or kill police. Okay, fair, let's just go with that. I'll say you're, I will say you're not wrong. I don't know, I don't know what the stats are on that, but what I would be curious to know is how often in those incidents that the person was shot and killed by police that they were armed themselves. Because that is a number that I think you're not aware of. And I know that number because the Washington Post put out a 2024 stat on the times that people were shot and killed by police and how often they were armed in that time. So you find that number out before you start throwing out that stuff. Who was that? Wade? Because I think that will kind of calm your tits a little bit on that. So have Eric or Banning ever responded to a swatting call, popular nowadays? I?
Speaker 8:haven't. I haven't had one I have.
Speaker 1:You haven't done one. I've never been to one, but, um, I've. I've had friends that have. They told me they're like dude. We got there and this guy was so clueless I had no idea. I was like holy shit, like that's scary this is kind of on the phone companies.
Speaker 8:It's not on what's called Esri maps, and that's what the 911 dispatchers use or the technology that comes in. You know, I work for a company now it's Mark 43. They're a great solution for law enforcement, for CAD, which is computer aided dispatch, or RMSms, which is report management system for officers, and we can mitigate a lot of it. However, the digital age and everything that's going on out there, people can go in there and and fake the funk when it comes to, uh, reporting numbers, calling 911, and this is a technology outside of what 911 receives. So I've been to one this is early as 2010, and I think I got another one in 2016 of a swatting call, and we basically got to the house and what came in through the 911 call was shots are fired, three people are dead on one of them and the gunman's in the backyard. So when you get that type of call through dispatch with an actual address, even on a medium-sized agency, where I was at, you're going to get everybody that's on duty, everybody that's got a uniform. We're going to surround it, we're going to talk, we're going to brief and go into the situation and try to figure out what's going on and then, once we make contact with the actual homeowners, uh, you know, an hour to an hour and a half after the call because we treat it as a standoff, not knowing the information, we're not seeing anything. Um, nothing happened there, um, and and that was an unfortunate fact because we tied up so many resources and the person that was on the gaming console in another state got a big laugh out of it, right? So when you, when you look at another one that I received was not necessarily a swatting call was somebody that was in a domestic violence situation and they called not the 911, but they called the administrative line. So that's the, we are dialing the area code and it's a non-emergency type thing, and they were telling the dispatcher this man broke their leg, they were being beat for two weeks, they were held in a room and they're in an apartment number. Well, that was in a another state and the dispatcher couldn't pick up on. That Wasn't the dispatcher's fault and we surrounded the apartment and so if you look at it, you can look this up on a map. So there's jacksboro, texas, and then there's jacksboro, tennessee, and this person basically got on their phone as the victim and said jackssboro Police Department and what came up because of whatever's on Google was Jacksboro, texas, and when they called that non-emergency number, it went to our county dispatch. Our county dispatch picked up, she gave what was going on and she couldn't give an apartment number. She's in the living room and the gentleman broke both her legs.
Speaker 8:What we got was and when you're in a rural setting, we had a totality of three law enforcement officers who were on duty for almost 1,000 square miles and we're circling this apartment complex hitting our sirens and waiting for this victim that's on the phone with dispatch to hear that siren. And once they heard it, we could at least get it down to a block number that they were in and have it down to about six apartments. And then we were. We kept hearing it. The lady never heard it over and over and over again, and the problem was she was in Tennessee, not Jacksboro.
Speaker 8:So we were circling this and going, going and this is not a swatting call, but this is how swatting almost works. It comes from another state usually or a a distant phone, and they're and they're creating this big thing. The one that the second one that I went to was an actual call and we were able to finally get first responders there and to stop that. However, uh, the first one was a swatting call and nothing was going on and we tied up people that had no business being involved with law enforcement. So swatting is horrible and I wish the government or the powers that be could say it could figure that out. Hey, this is not within the 911 deal and it's going to revert back to wherever they're at, to their true 911. But that would make sense Banning.
Speaker 3:We would be on a traffic stop in my small community and it's small enough that we would have a pretty good idea that there was narcotics or something in the car and then the 911 would come in. Our agency is small enough. There's usually two or three officers on the street and we'd get a 911 call to a domestic across town and get over there and there was no domestic because they were trying to get us off the car because they had text their friends and said, hey, they got us pulled over, you know, help us out. So we'd have to leave that traffic stop to go deal with the domestic.
Speaker 8:Yeah, no, and it's absolutely ridiculous. I mean it's and the people, the voting public or the people in America, have no idea how many funds are used in reference to using this right. So it's a lot of money that's used on these swatting calls. So I appreciate that person putting that out there on the swatting calls.
Speaker 1:So I actually have the stats. Uh, this was put out by police law news um daniel carr, who's a part of the two cops. One donut stuff. Um. 1133 people fatally shot by police in in 2024. 1,068 were men, so 94%. 237, so 20%, were black men and 350, 30% were white men. 984 of those 1,133 that were shot by police were armed with guns. That's the Washington Post. So that is the numbers. I've saved that because specifically for comments like that. So who said that? Cameron Washington? Eric, I love that polo. Yeah, sir, that would be my uh retro rifle shirt. Thank you very much, um. Did you, damien, did you happen to hear those stats I put out? Yeah, yeah, I did.
Speaker 5:And I I agree completely with all that stuff, and I I do think it's one of these things where people get either stuck in confirmation bias or they want to believe the worst in everything, so they do kind of it's a headline thing where, like statistics can easily be manipulated. It's like what's the size of the demographic, what's the time period, like so on and so forth, and even just like that like are we vetting these cases? So like, when it comes to these things? It's about, if I'm being honest, the righteousness of doing it. You should be doing it by a case-by-case basis, but I don't like that. The two things were supposed to be connected, like these are mutually exclusive things. Cops' lives should not have the same level of precedent because they kill more people. Like let's not get too like. That's where you lose me personally, that's what I feel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fair, I like that. All right, let's go to the next video I am going to. This is a police activity video, which is our favorite. The reason we like police activity so much is they don't there's no, it's just the body cam footage. There's no fluff, nothing else in between it. So we will share the screen. Let's see Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Was that the right one? Yep, share Again. We have not watched this. We will biggie size this. There we go, and all right, I'm ready, let's go. Did I hit play? Yes, I did. All right, we're tactically pointing at something.
Speaker 1:The screen is very blurry for some reason. Oh, because of the computer. They're blurring out. This is part of the redaction process. The camera is trying to save us from seeing something on the computer. Country girl drink Because I said biggie size. Country girl drink because I said biggie size. Oh, that's another thing, damien, they really love when I say biggie size for some reason. Oh, we're muted. Oh, shit, hold on, we gotta go back. We gotta go back. I'm gonna go back to about there then you can't drive okay, we gotta go all the way back.
Speaker 1:Apparently there was volume the whole time. Get back in your car the whole time.
Speaker 4:Get back in your car. What do you want? Get back in your car. What do you want? Your license? What do you want my license for? Give me your license. You know, I don't have a fucking copy of my license, then you can't drive. What's your problem? You can't drive, you don't have a license. Come on, get out and handle this like a man. Get out of your fucking car. What?
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, banning. I'm going to say this If somebody asks me to get out of the car and handle it like a man, it's not that I'm going to get out to fight this person, it's that I don't want to be trapped in my car.
Speaker 8:Right.
Speaker 1:So for me, yes, I'm going to get out of my car. I am still going to try to de-escalate. But don't get it confused. I am ready to fucking throw hands by somebody that's trying to tell me get out of the car and let's handle this like a man Again. I don't want to be stuck in that freaking coffin of a car. So I am going to get out. I'm still going to try to de-escalate. I don't want to fight this person, person, but I'm ready.
Speaker 1:If you want smoke, we can have. I'm just playing. If you want smoke, we can have smoke. No, that's not what I mean, but I gotta get out of the car. I can't, I can't sit back. Now. He's trying to tell this guy exactly what he needs and why he needs it. I don't disagree with what he's doing here, um, but now we got to get it over the um. I I gotta get it out over the radio and let them know I need backup. Like this dude's trying to fucking fight me like I'm not fighting somebody by myself, especially when it it looks like it's a simple traffic stop. So, um, we'll, we'll keep going here, uh, okay lc41212.
Speaker 4:I'm in a driveway 74 Main Street North with Alpha Alpha 39355. Be right there. B of I's operator is walking away.
Speaker 1:Why is he not asking for other people? He didn't ask for any backup, did he? I didn't hear him. Your boy's still talking shit too. I can hear him. Come on boy, Come on boy, All right, All right, Damien, what's your impression so far?
Speaker 5:Yeah. So as somebody who is less trained, my first thought is like what makes you so confident? Do you have a weapon or something? I'm not going to go straight to using it, but like what you said is exactly how I feel. Like I would get out of the car to be like what's going on and I would be looking to arrest the person, try to figure like de-escalate. But if you are actually, if I step out and your first thing is to try to come toward me, I'm going to try to restrain you. Yeah, do that respectfully. But that's the type of person where if they try to throw a hand or anything like that, I'd never understand why police just like a bunch of well, lack of emotional regulation a bunch of persons because they've ran long enough to try to catch them or something, but like that's the time where you're in a.
Speaker 5:If you're throwing fists like you can retaliate because that is. I don't know what's going on with this person, but I'm very wary on getting out of the car and with knife or thing makes people confident.
Speaker 1:Yeah, steve Wallace said what about driving off, to make distance and regrouping possible? But it just depends if this guy's walking off and you fear you're going to lose sight of him, like that's part of it. You don't know who he is yet you don't have his id. Um, so things to consider.
Speaker 3:Wade lucera I completely agree with harrison brock on.
Speaker 1:They probably do know each other, you know the officers probably dealt with him before oh okay, yeah, um, wade lucero said take off the gun belt, leave it on your seat, lock your door and handle it. I like it. So I was actually wondering oh please, no, I was gonna say, don't ever do that. No, that's not a real thing. The same fucking. What's that movie with? Uh, what is it? Uh, damn, what's that movie banning with? Uh, the, the hispanic dude and um, the other day, I can't end of watch. That's where I'm trying to go. It's not. It's not.
Speaker 1:End of watch, um, that that shit shouldn't and doesn't happen. I hope, um, I hope that doesn't happen. But um freeman's busting my balls? Damn, aren't you b trained? Yeah, I still don't want to fight people. That's the point. I like to know what I'm doing if I have to, but I don't want to Trust me. All right, let's keep going. Let's see what happens here. Don't come near me. Don't come near me. Don't come near me. He's reaching, he's reaching. Okay, did you see that bladed stance started reaching banning. That's what I saw, right away.
Speaker 8:We, we just have. You know, people are like oh, he can do that, that's freedom, here's the deal. It's our scene. We're gonna make sure everybody goes home safe to the best of our ability. We're gonna. We're gonna detain, figure out what's going on.
Speaker 8:Don't go reaching in your pockets. I'm not gonna go reaching in mine when I'm on the investigation unless there's a reason to do so. If I'm, if I need to grab my notebook, it's, it's in plain, my little tab, and I pull it up and everybody sees it's a notebook and I get it out and I start writing. The same goes for the person I'm dealing with. If they go reaching in their pocket after my instructions not to do so, it's going to raise the alarm and and you know, and I've had people well, you can't reach in your pockets, so and I get that and that's, and I'm here to play 50, 50.
Speaker 8:So when I go to reach my I, hey, man, I'm just grabbing my notebook and here it is. See it, it's a little. You know, here's my notebook and I bring it out. I can play those games too, and it is game, so to speak, until it gets to a certain level. Um, my whole thing is is I don't want anybody to get hurt, and I've done. I did it for 21 years and I did a pretty darn good job at it, to where nobody I mean some people got hurt, but it wasn't on my accord, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go back. I want you guys to see the body language that I saw, like I would have immediately done a little reverse, I would have retreated, would have retreated. Um, I am not afraid to do a little spin, move and run back towards my car to get some space, simply because of this maneuver. Um, what this guy did and what I saw was him purposely blade his body away, and I know you guys can't all see this, but he blades his body away and he hides that right hand. I would have not run backwards, but kind of done a little c-step around and uh and and created some distance here. So I'm gonna go back come near me.
Speaker 7:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:though right there he starts to blade. This is not a good, this is bad um, and you're giving clear orders as a lawful peace officer. Like this is not normal behavior from a person that isn't trying to do some shenanigans. There's some shenanigans about to be played, so that right hand that he has is a big concern of mine. Right now. Don't fucking come near me. He's bladed his body completely. Very dangerous. Let's keep going, don't Tyler, don't Tyler, don't Tyler, don't Tyler. He's attacking, going. That's not, definitely not normal behavior. So now I don't know if he's throwing a fist or if he's throwing if he's got a gun he's drawn or if he's got a weapon.
Speaker 4:I don't know if he stabbed me or what he did.
Speaker 1:So the officer, something happened. I'm going to say he was stabbed. Yeah, LT-4012. He got stabbed in the throat that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 7:LT-412. Lt-412. He can't talk. Lt-412, Tramiel. His partner has no clue. Send me an ambulance for me? Yeah, I think so. Right here, my neck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of times we don't know we've been stabbed, it feels like a punch, and then we don't know until later on. I want to keep going, though I want to see Roger. Come over here.
Speaker 7:Come over here, I want to keep going, though I want to see.
Speaker 1:Our, don't be snag me I.
Speaker 7:Can't believe you hit him on the run with this taser. All right, put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back. All right, hands behind your back, stop. Give me your other hand. Give me your other hand. Okay, give me your other hand he did not attack you.
Speaker 1:Give me your hand so good on this officer. He did what he's supposed to do Secure the scene first, and then we render aid and do what we gotta do, but he secured the scene. You got any feedback so far on this Banning?
Speaker 8:No.
Speaker 1:Anything, alan Nope Damon. Any concerns of yours, sir.
Speaker 5:I might want to reserve. I'll wait.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 7:Give me your other hand. He fucking attacked me, he's worked up.
Speaker 1:Did he stab you he?
Speaker 7:attacked me? Yeah, I think so. Let me see where. Right here, right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, come over here, jimmy. Come over here. Come there, come over here, jimmy. Come over here. Come over here, jimmy. Sit down.
Speaker 7:LC-44, sit down. Sit down 42. I need a medic Immediately. I need a medic. Breathe, he's fucking attacked. Sit down, he's attacking.
Speaker 1:Man, that's scary, jesus, that's. Uh, that's, I don't. I'd rather deal with a guy with a gun than a guy with a knife. Yep, all day long. That's crazy. Freeman said Eric, I could never be an officer. You could, you could. Everybody's got it in them. You just got to find your cause. That's all marine blood. It's okay, harrison. I think it's because they aren't censoring the bangs. I don't know what we're talking about there. The officer would take the spirit of 50 Cent Proud, took a stab to the neck and kept hoofing. He did Stayed in the fight. Now I want to make the point. I hate bringing this up, but that guy didn't get shot, they fought through. This goes to that point that officers aren't just looking for an excuse. So got this guy secured, did what they had to do and that was it. Um, I do think you bring up a good point. Whoever it was said that they may know each other. So it's possible, I don't know. Um, okay, damon, anything to add on this?
Speaker 5:yeah. So, um, first things first. Yeah, he's like I got a bunch, really three points, but when it is, ah, the intensity of it. So one when it came to backing up, you guys were exactly right, so that's probably protocol back up, get some distance and then come out. The first thing that I cut, that went through my mind was like almost, would it be better to stay seated and then have the actual like the um, the partner come out? That way, the distance is there but you still get the ability to get time. In the event, they pull something out like is that not? Uh, would that be something that like, maybe the partner has less? Like? You know what I mean? Is it equal?
Speaker 3:very, very few departments actually have a partner in the vehicle. Um, most of us are operating with a single officer, maybe have backup coming in another vehicle, and so in the state of Texas I can only think of two agencies that do it full-time, and only one of those are 100%. So Houston operates two-man units and the Sheriff's Department does not, and so 100% of Houston's department everywhere else in the state of Texas is pretty much a single operator, unless you work in a special area. Let me see.
Speaker 1:Marine bloods. I like memberships. You'll never know. Yeah, that guy made a full recovery. Everybody just read the comment or the description. So that got 378 000 views and it happened on october 7th, third sorry, october 3rd, so wasn't too far away. Um, okay, let's go to the next video. We're only we'll do this one last video and then we'll let Damien talk a little bit at the end here on his experience and we'll go from there.
Speaker 1:This is less than five minutes. Let me share the screen. Share Again. We have not seen these videos. We don't know what they do. We're going to unmute this one Biggie size and play.
Speaker 2:The reason why we're stopping is you're riding in the roadway and you're walking and you're walking. Oh shit, I forgot about that. What do you mean? You forgot about that.
Speaker 3:He was just having fun he was living over there.
Speaker 7:Can I just pat?
Speaker 2:you down and make sure you got no weapons on you.
Speaker 1:I was just about to say I don't like the way that they're acting because they're trying to throw some word games.
Speaker 3:All three of us knew it Like all three of us were like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like get in position, bro. He's giving you squirrel mouth right now. Go ahead, Vanny, what do you got?
Speaker 8:No, I just said his, his right hand was a telltale sign that possibly something was in his right pocket.
Speaker 1:But yeah, he was touching like he knew he had something there he was immediately and he agreed with him. Like the second that he agreed with him, you knew he was about to wrap it, yeah and like how do you, as a cop, you're like, well, because you agreed with me, I knew something was up. No, no, like you can't.
Speaker 3:It's hard to articulate, but you just know.
Speaker 1:You've dealt with it so many times yeah yeah, like this kid was up to some shenanigans. Damien, what did you see?
Speaker 5:sir. Yeah, I knew that there was something odd, because it was like body language Like something odd. Because it was. It was like body language like his hands were like blocking him. He was like kind of creating like a bridge in front of him, and his fingers, his hands were like splayed in an odd way. So it seemed like there was something odd. Yeah, yeah, you're right, he's not charisma, but his energy was like yes, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:There was something unnatural about it and this is the hard part, damien, that we try as cops. We're like, all three of us, immediate we started giggling becauseiggling it was like, oh shit, he's about to rabbit, like we felt it. And we've never seen this video. So how do you articulate that? It's very hard to explain as a cop. Like I knew this fucker was about to run. Like that's how dumb we are, that's how we talk to each other.
Speaker 1:I knew that fucker was about to go and you're like but how do I explain that in court when shit goes wrong? Like experience, experience, yeah, it takes a lot of time to to learn how to articulate exactly what we all just saw. We all felt it. There's an energy there, just like you said, there's an energy, but you gotta know how to explain it. So let's keep going. Oh, that's crazy crucial. I've never really heard anybody say that shit while on the radio. I was just about to say I'm going to jump on the radio, I'm going to call out a description. You know, I believe that was a black male hoodie. I suppose we were joking about that earlier before we got on the thing. Um, you know, pants running westbound this direction and he just said he's reaching in his waistband.
Speaker 3:He made sure everybody could hear that.
Speaker 1:That's big. There's a lot of time before he actually fired. But here's what I want to point out I don't hear this kid yelling out anything. He's not saying anything. He's not. That's not a gun. That's not a gun. It's fake. It's fake, it's fake, it's whatever. We're not hearing anything. So was he trying to intimidate? Was he making some dumb kid moves here? Let's see. What the?
Speaker 7:fuck did he shoot? Back up, back up, back up. He's got shots fired. He's got shots fired. Let me see. He's got copy key going to copy the cross street.
Speaker 1:They only fired once. That's what I heard anyway.
Speaker 7:Hey, give me a light here. Give me a light here.
Speaker 1:Now they're immediately going into life-saving measures. So these are the things I'm looking for. I want to know if I'm going to start judging intent. That's the type of things I'm looking for. I didn't hear a cop just go fuck him. He did what he did. So that's the type of things I'm looking for. I I didn't hear a cop just go fuck him. He did what he did, so that's positive. So he immediately started rushing in to help and they actually genuinely seemed concerned. You know people make mistakes.
Speaker 8:This is not just training yeah this kid made a mistake, you know did. Did he end a life? Hopefully not. But now we're there because we had to end that so-called mistake and we've got to provide life-saving measures. I mean, we're going to do everything we can, we're going to get people there, keep that heart beating and hopefully he can answer for whatever he did in court.
Speaker 3:Well, and I would also add, with everything we saw in the very beginning of this description, I don't think any of any of us immediately thought the age of this person was 13, like a, like. That's not something that automatically jumped into my mind. I was thinking this is a suspect that just ran yeah, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1:I was not thinking of age at all. That doesn't matter to me, not in this, nope, not at all Nope.
Speaker 1:I said what we see so often, reasoning a suspect was acting suspicious, so we decided to detain him. And this goes into what do you want from your police? It's the middle of the night. I'm not seeing a body cam time right now, but it looks to be the middle of the night. People are out and about. My parents always told me if you're out past 11 at night on the streets, you're up to no good. What are you out there doing? That was their belief.
Speaker 1:Police kind of operate in a similar aspect. So if you're going to be proactive and there's not a lot of calls in the middle of the night, even in a major city where I'm, at once we start hitting around 1 am, 2 am there's not a lot of calls, if any. Holding. We're dealing with proactive police work. Smoke wagon got me. So you're dealing with proactive police work. Now your question is are you for or with proactive police work? Now your question is like are you for or against proactive police work? Do you want your cops out there trying to stop some shit? Now the question goes why is this kid running around with a gun? So things to consider, things to talk about. These are the discussions we want to start having, so let's keep going.
Speaker 7:You don't need to be close. His buddy goes bro. Separation Fucking drop it, Drop it, Start us an ambulance. We got shots fired. I don't know where the gun went. Looks like a real gun.
Speaker 1:Even had a slide like a real gun. So I am only reason I know it's not is because I can see the title. It says that it's with a pellet gun, so it looked like a Glock.
Speaker 5:I shoot BB guns all the time and I couldn't detect it. Isn't it supposed to have an orange tip or something?
Speaker 1:Yeah, typically I think that's one of the safety things that they're supposed to have. But even me as a kid, I had a gun that I was supposed to have. I took it, I saw it. I have a friend that did that. Yeah, it was just a cool thing to do as a kid, so something to understand. I want to point out they got their lights on already.
Speaker 3:I kind of feel like this was a call. It was a call, yeah, you could tell they were there for something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this wasn't just purely proactive police work. Somebody called on these guys.
Speaker 3:Well, in the very beginning it said. They asked him hey, we pulled you over because you were riding on the sidewalk. No, you were riding. In the very beginning it said, uh, they asked him hey, we pulled you over because you were riding on the sidewalk no, you're riding in the roadway, right?
Speaker 3:I thought he was on the bicycle riding on the sidewalk no, I think he was in the roadway and he said that he was right in the middle of the road and he's like, oh yeah, no, I ain't supposed to do that one thing I would uh, this, this body camera, the one that we're watching right now, is the officer that circles around behind him. You know we're going to have a conversation if I'm his FTO, because he's got both of his hands full as he's circling behind. Oh really, yeah, he should have been like when I noticed this. He had his flashlight in his right hand, something in his left hand and he couldn't grab the guy as he, like, his whole role was to sneak in behind him and, you know, be able to gain compliance if, if he needed to, and he wasn't there for that role.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's uh flashlights in his right hand. Is he a left-handed shooter? Oh shit, damn. I didn't realize they were all that close.
Speaker 7:Stop the back, start a fire. We got shots fired. What the fuck are you close? Back up, back up, back up.
Speaker 1:So what I notice is that all those officers that came in looked like they were trying to go hands-on to help. They didn't just go to their gun. So that's something I want to point out. Damien, what do you got so far, man?
Speaker 5:I mean, this is the definition of what I would have envisioned these type of occasions should be. Like that's the officers had the right heart. You can tell they care about addressing the situation, either for the kid or just for protocol.
Speaker 1:I have nothing more to say okay, fair enough, harrison, he keeps rubbing it in my face. Why do people use glocks over staccatos? Because we can't all afford staccatos. You, I would love to have a staccato, but we can't all afford staccatos. You, fucker, uh, would love to have via staccato, but I can't afford one. Um, all right, let's, uh. I I don't know what else this is going to show us. They call out for help and they try to do that. So, all right, we're going to stop sharing. We're going to make this more about Damien. Damien, sir, okay, now that you've been on, I believe the audience would tell you 100% if we were being fake tonight or if we were not being how we normally are. This is really how the show goes every time. So how was your experience?
Speaker 5:I mean incredible. Like you guys have the character that I was hoping for and that I hope gets proliferated through the entire force.
Speaker 1:Excellent, okay, very cool and, like I said, those in the crowd, they will instantly tell you if we were being phony people tonight or not. But no, this is exactly what I was hoping for. I have, like I said, I have put the gauntlet down many times to trolls. You were not a troll, so I want to make that clear. He didn't troll me, guys, but he did reach out and say that he wanted to talk and have a conversation.
Speaker 1:I was like would you be willing to come on our live? Because I knew it was right around the corner and I figured that would be the easiest way we could do a one-on-one if you wanted to. But I thought this was kind of the coolest way to do it and allow you to. Basically, you interviewed us tonight, so it was fun. But yeah, this is, this is when anybody comes on and they start just cop hating or whatever. I'm like, come on and talk about it. Like I welcome that every single time because I have such confidence in the Two Cops, one Donut cast that we have that we're not going to shy away from your questions and I'll just flat out tell you I don't know, if I don't know, what do you want me to tell you, but I think we had some good conversation tonight.
Speaker 1:I think everybody else in the audience would agree. Keys just jumped out and he, he said you gents are real, uh, and constitutional country girl who definitely does not give us free passes for anything, said agreed. So that that definitely makes me feel better. Banning. What do you got buddy, no same thing.
Speaker 8:I mean, damien, I I appreciate you coming on. I I know it's a lot for you to come on. You have zero idea what to expect and you, you came on here willingly and that's that's awesome. We're not an echo chamber I'm going to say that a lot because there's a lot of podcasts out there that echo chamber, different things and we're we're not that I mean we're. We're human beings just like everybody else. We, we put our pants on the same way everybody else does, and I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Harrison Brock's trying to defend himself I'm not rich, but he's got a. He's got a staccato. He keeps buying everybody these these memberships, uh, tonight, guys, hey, if you guys want to help us out, and, uh, you, you've got the financial freedom to do that, cool, awesome. If not, just subscribe, it's free, doesn't cost you anything. So, uh, or share us with somebody if you're already, you're already at that level. So, um, two caps, one donut. It took me 18 months to pay for my staccato. Yeah, I know my wife won't let me get one, bro.
Speaker 8:That's why it's expensive man, it's not a uh yeah, but it is texas it is texas made though.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll put that out there. Oh, maybe I need to reach out to them.
Speaker 1:um oh, constitutional entrepreneurial said remind us how to submit videos to you. If you guys reach out to me on any of the social media platforms, you can direct message us. That's easy. If you've got a video you want to show us, put it on Instagram. That's the one I check the most is my Instagram account. You can do it on Facebook, tiktok, any of that stuff. Look up the Two Cops One Donut. You can find us on our website two cops one donutcom, all spelled out, um. And. Or you can reach out to our email, which is two cops one donut at yahoocom, all spelled out.
Speaker 8:So um, I know a lot of you don't have a a LinkedIn page. It's free. Create a link LinkedIn page, send me a message, connect with me. I'm not at my max. I got like 31 000, etc. Uh, connections that I have on there reach out say that.
Speaker 3:You say that, like it's so simple, like I'm not, I'm not at my max. Like right like you're like four below the max. Is that like right, like I?
Speaker 1:was like.
Speaker 3:I hear like 10 followers and Banning's. Over here he's got like 4 million or something.
Speaker 8:But LinkedIn, you know, I don't care what your job or career is, LinkedIn is an amazing tool. It's a rolling resume. You can always benefit your career on LinkedIn. So please create a free LinkedIn account. Hit up Banning, Sweatland and man, it takes me a little bit to get back to my messages, but I will get to you in about 40 minutes.
Speaker 3:He does respond. Every time he responds to everybody guys.
Speaker 8:It takes a bit, but I do. I get back to everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, harrison Brock, he's like I always message you on LinkedIn. Yeah, he does, and I can't. He he finds more videos than I ever have time to find.
Speaker 3:I think he sent me three during the show.
Speaker 1:And they're not short and I'm like, bro, I'll get to him if I can Like I can't take all this stuff I got. It isn't just you, harrison, I got like 70 other people at least sharing videos. That's so funny. Ryan LeMay said Banning. You can't say you put your pants on the same way First. You need to see me put my pants on. Spoiler alert it involves a trampoline. Okay, I got a lot of new stuff.
Speaker 8:That goes on.
Speaker 3:The list that goes on the list.
Speaker 1:Duck Ninja, dad, then you can be like me and stalk them on LinkedIn. Anything for engagement, oh yeah, eye of the Night said Eric is pretty responsive as well. Yeah, I try. That's probably one of my biggest problems. I try to respond to just about everybody, which is very hard for me, especially the more we keep growing. Damien sir, let the folks know how to find you.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so when it comes to finding all of my content, you can just go to the underscore Damien Riggs or Damien Riggs Prods on Instagram and Facebook and everything else, and that way you'll be able to get the link in bio. That just gives you all the things in one source. It's the Curious podcast, it's Damien Riggs productions. The curious podcast covers everything I go. You see, I have a wealth of knowledge and I like to explore that. I open the gate, no hindrance for anti-intellectualism. I go super deep. And then, when it comes to Damien Riggs productions, it's more. I call it the difference between mindful entertainment and just entertainment. Uh, that covers a bunch of different topics. Uh, when it comes to the things that I do, I own the memorable multimedia agency. That is what my newspaper, my news outlet, is through, but it also does photo, video design and much more graphics, all the rest.
Speaker 8:That's why you can find me hell yeah, damien, are you on linkedin?
Speaker 5:I am. I don't use it much, I'm Just because of this spiel that you gave me. I am now going to actually be doing it more.
Speaker 8:You need to Please do. Yeah, I'm going to tell everybody right now that's watching.
Speaker 1:It's a hidden gem, Gary who's been talking about it.
Speaker 8:LinkedIn, facebook X, whatever's out there. I mean LinkedIn, is truly that, not Facebook platform. There, I mean linkedin is truly that, not facebook platform. It's the professional man. It's so much better. Please it, if we're not connected, please connect with me.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I actually so swelling, I actually wrote it down. Uh, can you actually spell that last?
Speaker 8:wetland, yeah, sweatland, s-w-e-e-s-t-l-a-n-d I was adopted at birth and my parents were like you know what? He's got red hair. He's a big kid, we're going to call his first name Banning. He's got bright red hair and his last name is Sweatland. My dad's like perfect, he's going to have an eternity of problems growing up. That's what they give to me, man, jokingly.
Speaker 5:Obviously Banning is quite a good name. I'll give you that I appreciate you, brother.
Speaker 8:Thank you very much and thank you for coming on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5:I can't thank you guys enough for your character specifically, but yeah, for giving me the time here today.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, countrygirl asked when we're getting Long Island Audit on. That is on Matt. We're waiting for Matt to get that linked up because they are actually buddies, they talk, so we will get Long Island Auditor, hopefully, because he said he could get them, so we're just waiting. It's Sean Paul Reyes, I believe his name, or Sean Reyes. Maybe I added the Paul because of Sean Paul, but yeah, might have been me. But everybody else, damien, stick around. Once we get off here we'll talk offline. But everybody else, thanks for tuning in. Tonight. We hit about two hours and 40 minutes. This will be posted to our podcast page, just the audio. And thank you guys. We appreciate it. Have a good night.
Speaker 8:Thank you.
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