Two Cops One Donut
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Two Cops One Donut
Cops and Auditors: Finding Common Ground
Listen to the past LiveStream! When a frequent police critic agrees to join our show for a live debate on inventory searches, something unexpected happens—mutual understanding.
Instead of the contentious exchange you might expect, our conversation with "Kingslayer" transforms into a fascinating exploration of Fourth Amendment rights during traffic stops. What begins as disagreement over when police can legally search impounded vehicles evolves into a nuanced discussion about constitutional protections, officer discretion, and the real-world complexities of policing.
As Kingslayer articulates his concern—that inventory searches become problematic when vehicles aren't ultimately towed—our hosts acknowledge the legal gray area while explaining the liability and safety considerations from law enforcement's perspective. The respect shown on both sides creates space for genuine learning rather than defensive posturing.
The episode also features body camera analysis of high-stakes encounters, including a pursuit ending in gunfire where officers demonstrate remarkable restraint, and a domestic dispute that escalates when a man refuses commands during a felony stop. Throughout each review, we break down tactical decisions, missed opportunities, and moments where training translates into life-saving action.
What makes this episode special isn't just the content but the demonstration of how productive dialogue happens between those with different perspectives on policing. By prioritizing understanding over "winning" arguments, both sides discover common ground in their shared commitment to constitutional rights.
Whether you're interested in law enforcement procedures, know-your-rights education, or simply want to see how difficult conversations can bridge divides, this episode offers rare insight into finding common ground in an increasingly polarized world. Subscribe and join a community where tough questions are welcome and mutual respect is the foundation of every discussion.
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Disclaimer. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back to Cops 1. Donut, I'm your host, sergeant Eric Levine. I got with me, as always, my co-host Banning Sweatland and, once again, anthony Christian jumping back on Badge 502. What's up, buddy? What's going on, baby? How you doing Living the dream, sir? We, we invited him last minute. Uh, like we do a lot of people and just like, hey, how many people we got tonight.
Speaker 1:Uh, 11 minutes later than the first time. Yeah, exactly, and I was like, uh, banning, let's, uh, let's throw some invites out there. So there's some invites, we'll see who joins us. Um, but this is what we got tonight. Um, first and foremost, I want to put out a thank you and an apology at the same time for the law enforcement um officer hall of fame that we did. We worked with the internet we had and then it turned out we had a huge delay in our what we were saying versus what our lips were showing. And it's live baby, it is what it is. We did. We did the best we could with what we was given. We are hoping we can clear all that up next year. Banning what do you got on that?
Speaker 3:maybe, maybe I just need to call elon, see if we can't get a little starling set up every time we do that and fix that bro yeah I'm sure there's some numbers in the white pages and I can just yeah look real quick and hammer that out yeah.
Speaker 1:So what we were trying to say when we were out there, guys, is, um, that wasn't a, that, that whole hall of fame thing. It's not a. Oh, look at us, we're police officers, we're a great thing. What it is is, it's other people, other officers, whatever, putting other people up for trying to be nominated and honored for a crazy heroic story, the shit that you would want to see from your cops. And we had one of them. What was her name? Linda Lisa. I could be way off the the black female. They got shot three times.
Speaker 3:Oh gosh, yes, yeah, got shot three times oh gosh.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, I'm blanking on her name, but I had just met her that night. Anyway, um, like her story crazy, went into a domestic violence. Uh call, uh, partner gets shot, she gets shot three times. They still were able to get the bad guy and get that lady out of an abusive relationship. And that is the type of stories you guys need to hear. Nobody ever hears about it, and then it doesn't do us any good. Shout out to the Law Enforcement Hall of Fame, but it doesn't do us any good if the only people that are hearing it are other cops, because that's kind of what was there. So I am hoping to help spread their stories. So you guys, you know me, I like to show the bad but also highlight the good. So that's what we were trying to do. But I am going to the comments.
Speaker 1:Seeing everybody that's on here tonight. Let's go down the list. Constitution of the country. Girl news. She was one of the first ones on um ward jumped in. Harrison brock joining in. Uh, who else? We got Mama G in the house. I think my mom's actually on. I'm not sure. We got some people visiting from LinkedIn Alex Garcia probably jumping on off of Banning's page there. We also welcome Anthony's page because he's got his linked up, so all his YouTube followers give him a shout out there, anthony.
Speaker 2:What's going on my knuckleheads? I hope you guys are having an amazing, amazing day. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with me while I was posting 6,000 freaking stories to my socials for the past week. It's been a crazy week, man. My guys came in and forced this week. It was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1:I'm reading Harrison Brock's comment. Freeman Keyes said damn, eric, did someone give you shit about that? You did nothing wrong and the stream was workable. Yeah, we did get a little bit of feedback from some people. One of the things that got a lot of feedback was my mic, so I changed my mic out with a different mic, so hopefully it's not cutting in and out again. I do listen to the feedback, y'all, and I try to deal with it when I can. Harrison Brock did everyone else cancel and Badge 502 was the last option.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's not that everyone else canceled and I was the last option. Everyone else canceled and I was the first to respond.
Speaker 1:Oh because he's a first responder. See what he did there.
Speaker 2:That was vastly more intelligent than what I said.
Speaker 1:Oh, steve Laidner, he's on. He got cut off today on our YouTube channel comment section. He was not being the nicest dude, but I'll give him a chance on the live. This is a different sort of platform, steve, so I'll let you. He said freedom of speech is freedom of speech, but I'm guessing self-proclaimed heroes don't understand this. So this is where we got started, steve, I'm gonna give you the whole three strike rule.
Speaker 1:Buddy, um, I, I am completely open for discussions. I just uh, when you keep using the self-proclaimed heroes which none of us do that and none of the people you're talking about you've ever heard say that You're basically speculating and lying In that defamation of character that you're doing. We're just not going to allow that to happen. I'm going to give you an opportunity. This is strike one. You got two more strikes. If you don't want to do that, we're just going to ignore you. I do give everybody the opportunity to speak their piece, but if you're going to be disrespectful, bud, it's just the way it's going to go. Here you are the choice is yours, as they say.
Speaker 2:You are so much nicer to your poo-poo sayers than I am, oh man. I'm like you know what?
Speaker 1:I am optimistic at heart and I feel that if I give you the opportunities and you see that I'm being genuine I'm hoping that we can discuss like we're having a beer. That's how I tell everybody. I want to sit down because I know the problems that you may have with policing. If we sat down and bullshitted over it with a beer in front of us, it would be a good time and we would be able to get a real discussion going.
Speaker 2:But the way some people come across when they talk on the internet, they just get so used to that and they think that that's how everybody else is going to talk with them. I'm not that way. I'm just not going to people like that. You'd be surprised how much we have in common yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Um, joseph said good evening. Way too many tasers being deployed this year without a cover officer. Oh, that's a good take. I have actually kind of I kind of agree with that. I've seen that quite a bit lately. Um, oh, I can never say this girl's name correctly, so I'm just gonna go with lofton. How do you cocesh, coceshia, coceshia? I don't know, I'm not gonna sound like that.
Speaker 2:key and Peele, key and Peele. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, balake, you mean Blake Blake. What up Steve Wallace Going through the comments here? 1a stops the government from stopping speech. This is a private stream and not a government stream. Yeah, that's true, that is true. Private stream and not a government stream. Yeah, that's true, that is true. I'm having a beer Dig Freeman Keys. That's what I'm talking about. What's great is I know my audience will only put up with so much from trolls, so I don't have to say a whole lot. So that's what's good, because I have a very diverse crowd, pro and anti-cop. I don't want to say anti-cop, but they don't care for most police and so they like that. They get to say their piece here and have real dial dialogue, so they won't put up with the trolls either. But, um, let's get into. Uh, anthony's. Anthony had quite the weekend and I want to. I want to highlight that because you got an award, sir. I did me me please.
Speaker 2:No pictures, no pictures, please no, it was an insane weekend, so what did you get an award for?
Speaker 2:so I got an award for, uh, public health care, uh, through the spread, the cheer organization, uh, at the cheer choice award, which is out of the palms casino, out in vegas. Never been to vegas, never been that side of the mason dixon line or the whatever four corners or whatever. Um, but it's. It's been a wild weekend being in in my type of content creation, where I'm constantly interacting with creators that are are vastly different sectors of the internet. You know, we have like right here, right here I'm talking with first responders, I talk with people who make content of all different types, and to be able to be in the same room with them and interact and just feel like you're just part of the crew, part of the ship, is just a really cool experience. We went out there on Thursday. I think it was Flew out Thursday or Friday.
Speaker 1:There's nobody in the room with you.
Speaker 2:So that's weird. There is With both of my dogs who don't want to pay attention, and the cat suit, and the cat suit too. But yeah, we got out there. It was a weekend long event. So we did a what was the first night. First night was the casino night, so that was kind of cool. That was also for charity, so there's a bunch of bunch of games set up, full, full-blown table games, but it was all for charities, all muck money and all went to charity, um. And then the next day we did a pool party and then a club night at the end which was a uh, a fire and ice themed uh, I guess, club night, which was really cool. That would be neat uh were you?
Speaker 1:were you? Were you Scorpion or Sub-Zero?
Speaker 2:I was decked out. I could pull up the picture. I was decked out all in red black t-shirt, a very real iced out. Watch, it wasn't real, it was super plasticky.
Speaker 1:But it looked good in pictures.
Speaker 2:It looked good in pictures. Yeah for the one picture that I took with it because it was supremely uncomfortable. It's not a good picture. We kind of get the idea it's boom Red it out Look at you, that looked almost velvety, sir.
Speaker 2:It was very smoking jacket-y. Thank you so much, keyes. I see you up there. Thank you. Then the final night that culminated with the actual Cheer Choice Awards, which is it's a full blown Oscar style show and just wild and just got down there, got to meet a whole bunch more people, get interviewed and they make you, they really make you feel?
Speaker 2:like somebody in a world of you know self-flagellation. You know, yeah, but uh, but it really was. It was a great time and we were lucky to bring it home and I was able to bring it home for the batch 502 community.
Speaker 2:I got the best community in the world and they really deserve it, it was a community, community style award where I I said I say it's a community award because, like, if I did something, if it was a me award, like I'd do something cool and I get an award for it. Right, like you get a whatever, you get a purple hearts because you got shot. You know you get a medal of medal of honors because you did something dope and they reward you for it. This is the community coming together. They want you to get this award. So it's a full family award and it was just really cool to be able to represent them out there.
Speaker 1:It's cool that you say that, because that's exactly what the law enforcement hall of fame thing was that we saw. I highlighted highlighted Tom Smith. He's on from Gold Shields, gold Shields, gold Shield Podcast. Make sure you guys check out Tom Smith. He was actually honored two years ago and then he got to kind of host and give some awards out this year. That was pretty cool. He was the.
Speaker 3:MC.
Speaker 1:He's got that thick New York accent. He's just like every character on Blue Bloods, Jordan. What's up, buddy?
Speaker 3:He is the gold show guy's man, or solid gold, no pun intended, good dudes.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep.
Speaker 2:Jordan. The goose of consequence has arrived.
Speaker 1:Andy Fletcher's in the house. There's a gal that laughs at that show, steals workers, rednecks, etc. What? There's a oh roughnecks, yeah, yeah, my bad, I was like I don't get that. Tim's giving steve ladner the the business over here. He's going after him, love, love it. Mama G's backing him up.
Speaker 2:The reinforcements are here, yeah.
Speaker 3:Somebody said something about Alan, and no, alan's not in the background tonight, right?
Speaker 1:No, no, it's all me.
Speaker 3:He's like two miles from me right now and he's doing his business stuff. Right now. I'm down here at the Texas Chiefs Association Conference and it's a great conference. But yeah, I think we wanted to talk a little bit about the Hall of Fame, did you not?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to talk about that and what you got going on out there, but we can hit the Hall of Fame first because you are a board member for it. So why don't you give everybody a little rundown of how long, or whatever, it's been going on and what it all entails?
Speaker 3:I know they're watching. I believe this is the seventh year and it may be the eighth, so if Banning's wrong I'll slap myself later. Let me tell you something. Megan, the founders of this, and Adam Megan Stockburger and Adam Davenport out of Toledo, Ohio, founded the National Law Enforcement Officer Hall of Fame. That's the entire name of it and it's freaking amazing. So Megan's father was a detective for many, many years in Toledo. Of course, he was patrol at first, et cetera, and I became a successful detective. We found each other on LinkedIn through some mutual friends and they saw that I had a little bit of a voice on LinkedIn and they had this amazing organization that was honoring top tier these officers.
Speaker 3:To go above and beyond, Some of these are, unfortunately, after death that we award people with. Unfortunately, after death that we award people with, and, knowing that the board ourselves we don't decide who the award winners are. We get hundreds of submissions from around the country all year long and these go to a third party, and that's the way it should be. You know, the board members should not be selecting who does this, and I think the people, the exterior people that do this do a fantastic job and people can be like oh, you're cops planning for everything across the country and this and that. Let me tell you something, there's never really been there.
Speaker 3:You know some PDs have awards, ceremonies et cetera, but this truly highlights the amazing things that officers are doing across this country. And I 100% agree that the Hall of Fame needed to exist and now that it does, it's amazing. And for these men and women that get entered into this and canines, by the way, that get entered into this it's frigging amazing. And when you go watch this, I mean this is bucket list item stuff for officers that have done a long career to be able to go sit in the audience and see the recognition these guys and gals truly deserve. I mean, Eric, you've been there twice now. What's your words for being there two times in a row, even though you're doing a podcast while you're there? How does it hit you to see something like that?
Speaker 1:Well, I can tell you, at the beginning I'm so stressed out because I'm trying to get everything going. But for me it's one of those things where I self-reflect and realize that I am so insignificant in law enforcement when I hear the stories that some of these guys do. Because it isn't just this person went out and got shot. It's things like that chief that we talked to. That was the chief after. Was it george floyd, or was it?
Speaker 3:uh, no, I believe it was after george floyd, I think it was?
Speaker 1:yeah, it was he. He was the chief after george floyd in in I can't remember where, but wherever it happened. Um, and then uh, like he had this huge community outreach program that he was doing and was super successful in, and it was the community that helped get him elected for the hall of fame this year. Like that, to me, is awe-inspiring. That's exactly why I like being a part of this stuff, because you, you see that it's not just, it's like the things that I'm trying to do are nothing compared to what some of these people have been out there doing, not just for's like the things that I'm trying to do are nothing compared to what some of these people have been out there doing, not just for that award, but their whole career. So that's pretty cool. Are you able?
Speaker 3:to throw up maybe a couple pictures.
Speaker 1:Um, let's, let's, let's talk about dj daniel first I say I think I got one picture ready to go. Um, let me, I first I want to give a shout out because, uh, constitutional country girl gifted five memberships, which is perfect timing because and I will tell you why um, we got five people that got one. Uh, no, marine blood did not get one. So everybody drink, um, and uh, we, yeah, salute, and I am not drinking smoke wagon tonight. Guys, it's officially summer for me anyway, and I switched over to tequila.
Speaker 5:Oh, ooh.
Speaker 1:Very well, so I've got me some Casa Amigos Anejo.
Speaker 2:Casa Amigos is nice.
Speaker 1:Oh Anejo too.
Speaker 2:You got a little color in your tequila too.
Speaker 3:Yes, sir, I'm boring. Tonight I just have carbonated water.
Speaker 1:No splash of lime sir.
Speaker 2:I'm babysitting the rest of that bottle from last week oh nice.
Speaker 1:FYI, I think Kingslayer sent me a message today saying he's willing to be on. He has a mic and a camera. So, kingslayer, if you're still willing to be on, I told you guys our members.
Speaker 2:I'll switch over to the side here.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it. I'll let you guys jump on. We don't have a huge agenda tonight, so I apologize for that. But what I was trying to get at for timing, hey, we just posted the Matt Thornton episode, the interview with Matt. So what we did is something unique.
Speaker 1:I don't post the full episodes anymore. I stopped doing that a few years back because it kills my algorithms. But what doesn't mess with the algorithms and is kind of a bonus for those that do have memberships is I'm going to post the important episodes, like with Matt. Matt's an important episode. So if you want to watch the full episode, all you got to do is have a membership. So if you get a membership, you can watch the full thing. But if not, I don't want to be unfair and not let, because I think Matt's out trying to do really good things and I think he deserves to be heard for free. You can listen to the full audio for free. Go to Apple, go to Spotify or any of the other things that we have it on and you can listen to it. So, but if you kind of want to support the cause, we gave you a little bit more so you can watch along because you know, Matt's a good looking dude.
Speaker 1:Why wouldn't you not want to watch Matt? So we got that going on. So if you guys want everybody that got memberships tonight you obviously are now have access to watch that full episode, and I wish we could have got him on here tonight.
Speaker 3:Is.
Speaker 1:Marine Blood episode and I wish we could have got him on here tonight. Is marine blood on here? I heard somebody, is he odd?
Speaker 3:that makes it even better, and separate by devil dog, if you're still on with us appreciate being right.
Speaker 1:Uh, speaking of devil dogs, our other devil dog is, um uh, mr bill fold. I don't see him on yet. He must be a busy dude tonight. So is here's what it is. Shotguns and tattoos and drinking some watermelon vodka and Truly I don't even know what that is. Truly is like a seltzer. Oh, the static water, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, yeah Static water, I like it.
Speaker 3:You know two cops, one donut. We don't get political at all, but we did have Nicholas Minster at the Hall of Fame. Everybody's going to remember him from up in Pennsylvania. He's the first Secret Service guy that jumped on at that time candidate Trump, during the election.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right, yeah, and he was there as well. Speaking of not getting political yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Very not political.
Speaker 3:And this young man, just so those of you who don't know I don't think he turned on your TV at all in the past few months, but that's DJ Daniel and he's been kind of indoctrinated by a lot of police departments, including the Secret Service.
Speaker 3:The young man has gone through so many medical feats and for him to still smile and want to be a police officer is what drives my heart and and kind of encapsulates my career. I know, eric all of us what we've done to see him still standing and wanting to be a police officer is amazing and for him to come to this event and the poor kid's been all over the country and everybody wants to get a picture with him.
Speaker 3:I was like a child when I saw him and I'm like high five and I'm like, hey, man, uh, can I get a picture with you?
Speaker 6:yes, yes you did?
Speaker 5:he looked at me and he goes.
Speaker 3:Take your hat off. As long as you're not bald, I'll take a picture with you I love it he's got a sense of humor oh yeah, he throws burns all day.
Speaker 1:Oh, that kid is fucking spicy, yeah he was a burning kid yeah, like I came over and you know I was getting ready, I asked him hey, can I get a picture with you? I had the patch in my hand but he wasn't looking right and he goes. Sounds kind of sus me getting a picture with the dude yeah, it was awesome man started laughing.
Speaker 1:I goes well, I come bearing gifts, sir, and he I said it's pretty much the best patch you've ever seen and I turned it and showed it to him and his eyes lit up. So I knew I had him. I was like hell yeah, here we go, wrangled him in Yep, I had him. Uh-oh, harrison Brock just tried to gift 10 memberships. Let's see if it goes through. He's always doing that. Oh my God, please, no Marine Blood. Please, no Marine Blood. C Piss Off. Got one. Christian Holsey, antoine Blair, john Nunnery got one Neon Sniper Very cool name Lacey R, jeff Parrish, lkm, ryan LeMay and Cree Gordon.
Speaker 2:All got Everybody drink, still not your boy. Oh my God, you don't have to carry me off of this podcast.
Speaker 3:Does he have his settings to where he can accept a friggin' membership?
Speaker 2:Pardon his strategy.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I hope so. Yeah, maybe he's screwing himself up.
Speaker 2:Ken Harker said.
Speaker 1:Great job, brother Banning, at Hall of Fame. Appreciate you, ken. Thank you very much. Yeah, let's. Hey, if you can message shit. I don't know how to do this. I'm trying to figure out how to get Kingslayer the link so he can get on Kingslayer. If you can, private message my Instagram. Yeah, private message my Instagram if you're on there. Just let me know if you're on there and then private message that and I'll send you a link and then you can copy that and put it in or whatever social media platform you have us on. Let me know, because I don't want your information to go over our internet here.
Speaker 2:Strictly on MySpace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, MySpace was the shit boy. You could put your own music to everything I'm telling you.
Speaker 2:The thing is, you had to be like an entry-level coder to have like a really nice-looking MySpace. And it was you got it man?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Mine looked like you cut, like you did some um scrapboarding, like scrapbooking that's what it looked like. It's like a little you paste and put stuff all over it, but it doesn't look like it flows very well so good yeah, so good. Yeah, I loved it such a nerd yeah you, you log on and right away. I think my very first song I ever put on there was Closing Time. I don't know why I really liked that song at the time. I think that was my first song for it.
Speaker 2:That song just speaks to me.
Speaker 1:Alright, steve Ladner, you've officially got put in timeout. Sir Steve, let me just do the pee-pee wax. Yeah, let me see here, put user in timeout. There is a timeout, literally. That's cool.
Speaker 2:You got put in timeout.
Speaker 1:That's why we can't have nice things, steve. You did it to yourself, buddy. I mean, tim said is he even subscribed? He actually is subscribed. I think he won one of those, uh, free. I think that was harrison brock's fault. He got on through, harrison brock. Um, I love it, tim. Tim's like just says cops. These guys don't think that they are. But again, these guys are not here to speak on how other cops act and how they are. They are not here to speak on how other cops act and how they are. They are not self-proclaimed heroes, not at all. I'm more like a Foo Fighters hero. Foo Fighters, foo Fighters.
Speaker 2:That's such a great, great gang clip. Is it the accent on Foo or the accent on Fighters? It's actually on Fighters, ladies and gentlemen, foo Fighters, pretty good. It's actually on fighters, ladies and gentlemen, foo Fighters, pretty good.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good man. That was pretty good. You should have accepted the reward like that it was inconsolable when I heard that. That was great, was he on SNL Is that what it was? Yeah, yeah, there's a video of David Grohl talking about it.
Speaker 2:right, yeah, but there's a video of david grohl talking about it, right, yeah, but there's a video of another actor's name will come to me, you know, in 45 minutes, of him talking about an interaction that he had with them and it was just the most amazing thing john john pollock. It was john pollock, he does, he does an amazing freaking, yeah, walking I like walking, yeah, I like him.
Speaker 1:Uh, what's that joe dirt? He's like, ah, he's talking to my friend all wrong, you do it again. I'll have to stab you in the eye with a lot of soldering iron.
Speaker 5:Stab you in the face with a soldering iron.
Speaker 3:He was in Wayne's World too, wasn't he? Yeah he was in Wayne's World 2.
Speaker 1:He was the debt. Was he the debt? No, he was. Maybe he was one? No, was he the producer?
Speaker 2:He was the debt. Was he the debt? No, he was. Maybe he was one. No, was he the producer?
Speaker 1:He was like a record executive, or something like that, or maybe I'm getting him confused with somebody. I can't remember. I think he was in it, though I think he was. I think he was in the one with Cassandra. Yeah, I had a crush on her, holy cow, a little Tia on her holy cow a little.
Speaker 2:Uh, tia, yeah, yeah, yeah that was my childhood right there.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I can't stand up for a minute, guys, I'll be right back can't get out of the pool now okay, okay, hold on. You guys chat um. I've got Demon Kingslayer. I'm going to send him a link.
Speaker 2:So, Bannon, what was the week like at the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3:Man, it was great.
Speaker 2:Besides the actual main heart of the event, everything around it must have been really awesome.
Speaker 3:It was man and I was blessed enough for the Hall of Fame folks to be able to put board members up in the Omni Hotel. That's not something that Banning is going to go get on that hotel is. They give us a little bit of a discount, obviously for the event that's going on there. The event is very pricey. Wherever you put that on, it's a lot of people. You've got to bring in all the food. I mean you get a really nice frigging several star dinner. I mean, and the folks that were there I had buddies of mine there. You know you have a sheriff, mark Lamb out of Arizona, america sheriff was there as wife Janelle, both frigging sweethearts. Bill Weyburn, tarrant County sheriff, he's kind of the the Mark Lamb of Texas, if you will. Guy loves his employees, loves his citizens, tries to take care of everybody 100%, equally. Just great people. And then having people like DJ come, mr Munster, the Secret Service agent, dj who, no, I didn't say I said DJ, no, no, I said DJ and Munster.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:No, no, I said DJ and Munster. Oh okay, no, johnson is his last name, but Munster being there as well. I mean just to be surrounded by people that have gone through so much strife in their life or exceeded beyond officers that we personally know is amazing. I mean, you're sitting, you have heroes all around you and I'm just this country bumpkin and municipal cop in a previous life Are they self-proclaimed heroes. Right right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3:Self-proclaimed heroes. Here we go. What's great about these and it doesn't really get out in mainstream media, or any media for that sense is these people that get inducted into the hall of fame. They have no clue. It's going on yeah I mean the whole process. They're just out there still doing either day.
Speaker 3:They're still cops 100, you know 100 of the time, and they get some and come down and bring their spouse and all that and they're and they're getting inducted into the hall of fame. I mean that's I know it's not the the baseball hall of Fame or the Football Hall of Fame whatever. Sports is sports and I love sports, but whatever. But these are guys that are just out there working a job. They took a frigging oath, they're so far above and to be in a room full of them, man, yeah. I hope this rubs off. I hope I can be as amazing as these people someday. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, we got Kingslayer on. I muted his mic for now because he's having camera issues. I'm going to unmute him, see if he can hear us. Kingslayer, can you hear us, buddy?
Speaker 4:Yes, I can. Okay, cool, we got a mic.
Speaker 1:Where's that camera at bro?
Speaker 4:It's not working. I don't know what's going on. Come on.
Speaker 2:He's got that camera that your other buddy had from the last episode.
Speaker 4:It's a Logitech something.
Speaker 1:Brio, it's a.
Speaker 2:Brio. That's actually a good camera. I got dueling Brios right here, yeah.
Speaker 3:Whatever it is, it's going to be better than my camera.
Speaker 4:C930E. It's like.
Speaker 1:That's a 1080p then yeah, yeah, I. It's a 1080p then yeah, I know that camera. Going over to the comments, we're going to let him troubleshoot While he's doing that.
Speaker 3:Freeman Keys asked if I'm wearing one. I think he's talking about my shirt. No man, I don't have it with me on this trip. I've only got one bag I can bring. I wasn't able to bring it, but I will be wearing it on the next episode. I got a I think it's a five 11 shirt that I'm wearing tonight.
Speaker 1:There we go, king Slayer. What's up buddy? Hey, thanks for coming on. Man Appreciate you.
Speaker 3:No problem.
Speaker 4:I was.
Speaker 3:I've just been.
Speaker 4:I think it's funny how he came in and criticizing and it Like I, you just spent like the last like hour and a half arguing with me on YouTube comments.
Speaker 1:But it's, I don't look at it as an argument. We're discussing, we're disagreeing, and that's okay. We could still like listen. This is the beauty of our platform we do not have to agree.
Speaker 1:We don't have to agree on a topic. That's okay. That doesn't mean you're wrong. It doesn't mean I'm right. We just have to agree on a topic. That's okay. That doesn't mean you're wrong, doesn't mean I'm right. We just don't agree on that particular topic. But we're going to discuss it. We'll bring it up. I'm going to actually I think it's the same video um, not lane splitting. What video were we talking about?
Speaker 1:inventory, right, inventory yes okay, I just saw your lane splitting video, yeah, uh, so let me share the screen. We're going to go to this. So this was the discussion that uh kingslayer and I had. Look at that lovely retro rival shirt. Shout out to retro rifle.
Speaker 6:Shameless plug to one of our sponsors oh man they're such an awesome company yeah, so all right, guys, we'll play this video that goes by the name Alaska Audits. Oh, the meter's up. No, it's not a meter.
Speaker 1:There's no parking right now?
Speaker 6:Oh yeah, so that gave you a probable cause to go through his vehicle. Yeah absolutely Okay. Hey, now what's your name and address number? Again, Off to you 28241.
Speaker 1:28241. Okay, thank you, sir. So I ran across. All right, we've watched that, okay. This officer says I didn't actually have time to fit it in the video. How do I stop sharing this? There we go. So the officer says he's like, did you have PC to search that? And he's like, yes, I did. I am going to speculate, based on my training and experience, that he wasn't meaning I had PC to search the vehicle, as in a probable cause search he had the ability to search. It's actually an exception to a search warrant to do an inventory check of the vehicle, which is not a search, which is not a search, but we'll get into the elephant in the room on that, and I think this is where Kingslayer is actually.
Speaker 1:I think this is where we just couldn't connect it as we were trying to type.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 1:But so in an inventory. So this is how this goes as far as I know and I'm not an attorney, but this is how I've done it for as long as I can remember the car was going to be towed. So in the fact that the car is going to be towed, me as an officer I'd call a wrecker. Hey, I got a car that's parked in a spot it's not supposed to be. It can't stay here. There are some circumstances where a car just can't stay where it's at, it's blocking, it's doing something, so you got to move it versus just writing a ticket and walking off. So as this officer goes to tow this vehicle, he has to check to make sure it's secure. So he probably pulled on a door handle and it opened. He's like, ah shit, that's what I think every time it happens. I'm hoping all the doors are locked, because I don't want to do an inventory, I just want to tow it and get it out of there.
Speaker 2:It's a long sheet.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So now that he opened it he's like crap. Now I got to inventory the vehicle because we're liable if there's any valuables in there. The last thing we want to find out is this guy's claiming you know I had a $25,000 Rolex sitting in the center console or whatever. We checked the vehicle. You can't go in anything locked If there's a safe in there. I think somebody brought up a safe. If there's a safe in there, it's like a little portable and we can't open it If it's shut. We just pick it up if it's movable and that becomes a part of the inventory. So you take all that stuff that you inventory that's worth money and you take that to the property room and that's where that person is going to have to go get their stuff, because we can't trust that car to sit in a what's the word?
Speaker 1:auto pound that's not ours, because it's not going to go to our auto pound, it's just going to go to whoever's on top of the list for the local auto pound Going to Joe's wrecker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's how that goes. Now the elephant in the room is what if he finds something illegal that's admissible, like that can go against you? So now you got to wonder are cops going to do this type of search, cause it really is a search Are they going to do that just because they're trying to find something illegal? And I think that would be wrong. So I'll talk more on it, but I want to give Kingslayer his say.
Speaker 4:So I think the disagreement was the releasing the car after doing the inventory search, because the way I understand it is that the inventorying a vehicle is actually a search. It's just a because the Fourth Amendment is unreasonable searches and seizures. So it's technically a reasonable search. So it is a search, but it's just considered a reasonable search if you inventory it and then take it to the impound. But my problem comes in when, um, when you um search the vehicle, you're like hey, I'm gonna tow this car. You search the vehicle. The person comes out says, hey, this is my car, can I just move it? You say, yeah, okay, well then you just searched it. Incident two you're not towing the vehicle, so you're not actually impounding the vehicle, so you're searching it without an impound. So you, why'd you search this vehicle?
Speaker 4:because I was going to impound it okay, you know, yeah, that just that means anytime you have anything that you can impound the vehicle over, you can can go well, I'm going to impound this, search the vehicle, then just not even call a record and be like well, I decided not to because it's my discretion.
Speaker 1:Well, that's where it changes. You can't do that for one. You absolutely can't do that. Now, the difference in between what you're saying and what happened in this video is the owner actually shows up during the tow. So he said hey, call me, I call a wrecker and I'm going to. I got to impound this car because it's blocking or whatever reason, it's illegally parked and we can't allow it to stay here. So he starts to do his inventory search and he's like all right, so he's going through the motions and then the owner shows up and now, with the owner showing up, that changes things. Now he's like like hey, bro, is this your car? Like you're not supposed to park here, and then they can have that discussion, and this is where the discretion comes in.
Speaker 2:However, you don't have that discretion until that owner arrives, until he pops something yeah, the other option is, of course, you can have the owner show up on scene and be like bye, I'm taking your car. Yeah, yeah, the other thing, you got her option, we'll take it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll take it and to me that the ladder is a dick move yeah, it's a real. Yeah, so, especially when you do have that discretion. Yeah, because I trust me. I think and this is just me speculating most cops that I know I don't want to stand there and tow a vehicle. It's a pain in the ass and it takes forever it's 95 degrees.
Speaker 1:I want to do fun things, right, I want to do fun things. So to me the want to do fun things, so to me the owner showing up, you're like fucking hallelujah. Thank you, sir. This is your car. You got to move it, dude, like here's your ticket.
Speaker 4:My problem was in the video. At least the wrecker wasn't even there.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 4:So that means the auditor must have walked up while he was in the car, with the owner there, but the wrecker's not there.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 4:So if you call the wrecker, you're waiting next to the car for the wrecker to come and the owner walks out and says hey, that's my car, Can I take it and move it? And you say yeah, sure, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1:you know, inventory it first, real quick that's what it seems like happened in well, I don't think, I think, I don't think that's what happened. I think he had inventoried and then the guy showed up half like right while he was doing it. Um, but again we don't know. That I'm guessing you could be right, I could be right but I think he was instance.
Speaker 1:I agree with you in your, in your speculation. I agree with you. I do think that that would be wrong and you can't do an inventory. If you plan to, as soon as in my mind, I'm going to release it to the owner yeah it's done. I can't inventory that. What do you got to add to that?
Speaker 3:no, it's 100 the same as what eric is saying.
Speaker 3:At least you got to add to that. No, it's a hundred percent the same as what Eric is saying. At least we're speaking about Texas, but it's the same in a lot of states and, just like you know, eric said it's. The last thing we want to do is deprive somebody of their property when it's improperly parked or in a fire lane or something like that. And usually and this is just Banning speaking when I pulled up to something like that and I'm dealing with something or a car's broke down, I get dispatched to try to contact the registered owner and they have three to five different ways that they can do that, using different companies like Lexus or Accurant, lexus, nexus, to where they'll type that plate in the VIN number. They're going to try to get phone numbers. We try to get a hold of the owner to where we're not costing them money. The last thing we want to do is that. But you know, if a fire marshal comes in, it's straight up. Call me a wreck, we'll get this out of here. Now it's a fire lane, it's gone, and that's just one example. You know, broken down on the side of the road, If that back tire is in the lane, now I can kill somebody. So we got to get a tow truck started there. Now I'm down.
Speaker 3:I've had my vehicles towed twice in my life. I'm not the type of guy that's going to be like oh I'm a cop, I'm off duty and this is my car and I'm broke as hell because I am a cop and I can't get it moved yet. But I've got, I've got a record coming. That's had to tell people like that. But we do our due diligence and I'm speaking for me and Eric and most of the people we have on this podcast. We care about everybody we deal with. And once you exhaust all measures and you say, start me a record, we've got to do that. And once you say, start me a record now. It's costing that private business money to pay that driver of a private business to come there and and with it depends on the departmental procedures, sops, general orders, whatever laws that they're following on. If you can cancel one, I would love to you know. The record has been coming for five minutes. Owner shows up hey, I ran out of gas. I've got my gas Now I've canceled. I, hey, I ran out of gas.
Speaker 2:I've got my gas now I've canceled I don't know how many records. Yeah, I've definitely had to make a few calls and cancel it.
Speaker 3:You bet and it sucks for that record company because now they're out, whatever you know the driver's salary, the maintenance of the vehicle for that five minutes of driving it gets expensive when you own a company.
Speaker 1:But if they come back and they can move the car, we can cancel the record, depending on the departmental policies across the country. Well, let's get into the the the dirty part of it, because we know it's happened. There's cases of it where officers are using inventory to search a car, like to absolutely dirty search a car, and that gets into. There's checks and balances, you know what I mean. Like there's, there's way, like I was telling Kingslayer, if I call for a wrecker that stays in route until I have an actual justification of why I canceled it, it can't be. Here comes the wrecker. I do my inventory, sure. So I'm like, fuck, I didn't find anything good. I canceled the wrecker, I'm just going to write a ticket.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine them canceling it and being like just leave your car exactly where it is yes, that will be investigated, so so yeah, my thing is everything you guys said I agree with.
Speaker 4:It's just the. I think the disagreement comes with the. When should you inventory search?
Speaker 2:When.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 4:So like if you call a wrecker, say, hey, I'm calling a wrecker If you can cancel it, you just wait until the wrecker gets there. Right when the wrecker puts down the bed, Okay, now I'm going to inventory search, because then the wrecker's there, the bed's down, this thing's going up, okay. So then you go, okay, I'm going to inventory search, because then the record's there, the bed's down, this thing's going up, okay. So then you go, okay, I'm going to inventory search. So even if the um owner comes out, well, the record's already there, the car's already, you know, ready to go. It's like, well, it's, it's already, you know, we've already reached this point versus you know you've called the wrecker. You're like, okay, I'm gonna inventory search now. And then you start inventory searching and then the owner walks up and he's like, hey, this is my car, you know well, you're, you've inventoried it. So now it has to be impounded because so.
Speaker 4:So your, your gripe would be more so once that inventory is completed at that, at that point that's yeah, that's the line, line the dividing line is this vehicle is now being transported, because if it's not being transported and taken, then now you've searched the vehicle without the ability to inventory it, so now it's a non-inventory search.
Speaker 1:Okay, I do see where you're coming from.
Speaker 2:I'd be willing to bet that that's so. You know how they talk about. You have three branches of government. You have your executive, your legislative and your judicial. I guarantee you that, as an executive person executing a law, I guarantee you that someone with a law degree would argue that, sure, you'd be going right to court with that. Whether you want or not, that's the.
Speaker 3:Thing.
Speaker 3:And I'm going to tell you right now and we don't know each other. I mean, this is the first time you've been on our show is. I've only had one incident where I'm searching something and came up with some seeds and stems in a cellophane wrapper that was in the driver's seat. The car was unlocked so I have to inventory, put the property on there. Owner shows up hey, this is my car. I'm like hey, this is you know, this is was on the driver's seat Is this yours? Type of thing. And and the tow truck was not there yet. But since the tow truck was about to pull up, what I did is I put that in property because the window was cracked a little bit I don't know if somebody walked by and threw that in before I.
Speaker 3:I you know the guy said it wasn't his um, even though the car was unlocked. So I can't sit there and say it was. So what I did is I took those little seeds and stems and did not have a suspect. Um, obviously it's narcotics, so you're not gonna have a victim on it. And that was property and nobody you know nobody received a ticket. I was able to give the car back to the gentleman and was able to cancel the tow truck. Tow truck wasn't happy but I'm sorry. The guy came back. It was a gas issue on the car and nobody got charged for it. But I can't sit there and take a what Texas considers as a as a illegal substance still and give it back to somebody. And I can't leave it in the car. But it was put into property and eventually put up for what's called destruction.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I understand and I agree with that it's. It's just one of those things where it's like you know, if you're searching the car and you don't take it, you've unwarrant.
Speaker 3:You've searched the car without probable cause, Sure, and that's where inventory does become a search, if your reason for towing the vehicle erases. So anything I believe and I'm not an attorney that's found between that and an arrest is made can be considered what's called fruits of the poisonous tree. So we can sit here and go. You know, like I said, I'm not an attorney on this at all, but I'm not going to arrest or incriminate or put charges to a DA if that, if the inventory search disappears, does that make sense? So it's, it's going to go on property but nobody can go pick up, you know, unless, unless the you know, the police department's willing to go fingerprinted and write a warrant further down the road. This and that because we did have the legal ability to get in there for an inventory. This was found. But I don't know of many police departments that's going to do many resources on stuff like that and I understand where you're coming from and most I hate to use the word educated officers are not going to make a wrong call on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's also man, everything's about time saving. I hate to say it that way, but if I wait till the tow truck driver gets there, now that tow truck driver is going to be pissed and I'm going to have to deal with that complaint.
Speaker 1:You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. All the way around, you wait, cool. Now the guy shows up he didn't have to search shit and he gets to take his car, but now the tow truck driver just gets there. Or you wait and the tow truck driver gets there, and now you've got to make him wait while you tow, and everything about his night is how many cars he tows in a night. Um so, and then you go into a citizen's rights, which should be our main priority, and I think that's what kingslayer's saying, like, bro, if you got a way to avoid looking through my shit, don't look through my shit.
Speaker 4:And I agree, but the weird one about this if you can't legally look into my shit, don't look into my shit but that is a legal look.
Speaker 1:Yes, but that's what I'm arguing is that was a legal look my.
Speaker 4:My argument it was it was an illegal look because he didn't impound it.
Speaker 2:So it's not an inventory search, it's a search right and you know that's as, as someone who, so I don't know how much you know about me, but I'm I'm an emt, I'm a 911 dispatcher. I never went to police academy and I promise you I sure as hell didn't go to law school. But your question is completely valid. Just so in case anybody else hasn't mentioned that your concern is reasonable, because one of the basis of this country are your fundamental rights. So I absolutely understand exactly what you're saying and, as someone who stands on them consistently, I absolutely respect that. But the only slight would be if someone says you know well, you know exactly. That argument is you know, you didn't need to search my car. If you're going to, let me have the car, that officer is going to be like all right then I'm not giving you the car and they'll do that.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying that Sarge and Banning will do that, but I can guarantee you that there's officers that are out there that'll just be like oh okay, you want to dance yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's all going to fall back on administrative paperwork on what the rules and regs are, because when we're doing that tow, it's not necessarily a criminal tow, but when you enter that administrative mode of towing somebody's personal property, now you have vicarious liability on the officer for things that can go missing, and then you have liability on the department itself. Oh man, I had $50,000 in there. I own a bar. I locked it underneath the driver's seat and I went to get gas really fast and you can think about how that enters it as well. So you've got to literally go in there and look at everything.
Speaker 3:Okay, we've got a bag of diamonds in the back. It's got 28 little tiny diamonds in it and you're doing that on your tow sheet. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I'm going to take it because the monetary value is so high. It's going to go into property and a good officer is going to put that in front of his body camera. He's counting everything out. This is what I got, and these could be cubic zirconias or diamonds. We're not jewelers, but we're going to put them in little crystallized substances and we're not.
Speaker 3:Most of these guys haven't seen either one of those things and we're going to put you know, this is just, you know, reaching, but it can happen and it happens on a daily basis. So we we're covering our butt, covering our police department's butt and but, like you said yes, I understand where you're coming from when that inventory stops, depending on the paperwork that the officer has to follow on his department and whatever's in that rule book is governed that he has to follow that. But if it ends, it ends. And if it's a good officer which 99.9% of them are good it should stop. And that just goes into property, whatever illicit compound that they found, and it goes into property for either destruction or seizure, depending on what it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Andy, oops, sorry, I was going to say that's exactly why I agree with the inventory searches.
Speaker 1:You do or you don't.
Speaker 4:I do. I do agree with inventory searches. I just it's that I don't think what that officer in the video did was an inventory search. I just think it was a non-PCT, unwarranted search of the person's vehicle.
Speaker 1:Because he didn't tow it.
Speaker 2:Because he didn't, because he didn't Correct.
Speaker 1:Because search of the person's vehicle because he didn't tow it, because he didn't, because he didn't correct, because it's not impounded, it is not an inventory search, right? Um, so here's another question I post to you do you know that when that car is impounded, once it's on the truck and goes, it's out of the police officers?
Speaker 1:custody, so I understand that so when I guess the semantics go into is when the search actually should occur. So in this one he thought the car was there. He didn't know if it had been there all night. He didn't know if it had been there a couple minutes, that doesn't matter. But he probably ran the plate, put it in the system, checked it takes a while. He didn't just go up to it and was like I'm gonna open the door and see if I can get it, and like he didn't just do that, I promised that I, I, I, he, I accept that yeah, he probably dragged his feet, hoping, like just what I said, that the owner did show up so he could just be like, all right, uh, now I can get rid of this.
Speaker 1:And uh, it didn't happen. So he's like, fuck, I'm gonna, I'm going to have to tow this thing. So he calls for a wrecker. And as he's going through it, then dude shows up. Now that sucks because, like I said, that comes down to who do you want to be a dick to? You want to be a dick to the citizen that's right there and is able to take his car, but according to you and the way that you want an inventory done, I mean he was impounding that car.
Speaker 4:My thing is the officer's in a lose-lose situation. Either way, thank you.
Speaker 1:That's all I wanted to hear.
Speaker 4:I am not making bones about it. The officer in my situation is in a lose-lose because the person walks up says hey, hey, that's my car. Well, you've. You're now inventorying that car, which means you are impounding that car. That car is going to impound because you are taking this stuff out, documenting it, because it is going to the impound. If it was not going to the impound, you would not have the right to search that car right so if you release, if you release it.
Speaker 4:Well, now you looked at that stuff not to send it to impound, but to release it back to the person right, yeah, andy fletcher jumped on.
Speaker 1:He said only one or only thing is once the owner shows up, stop inventorying. I believe he did. I think what he was doing was going and shutting the doors, that's he was.
Speaker 2:Saw the owner come up, I guess at that moment, you're, you are under the impression of you're under your own impression, that this vehicle is now going to be impounded. So there's no reason for him to stop this search, and but once that, once that person shows up, no-transcript to not suppose.
Speaker 1:I'm definitely writing a ticket just to cover my own ass.
Speaker 4:Yeah for sure I think I actually mentioned that the officer was gonna lose. Lose in our, in our comments oh, did you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah cuz.
Speaker 4:I said the officers in a lose lose, because either you know he's impounding the car he's you know he's costing them money, he's costing them time to go get the car, you know even if he doesn't take it on and says you know this is just worth it telling the car so, or the officers violating the person's rights. And while he's at, while he violated the officer's violating the person's rights and while he violated the person's rights, he now gives him a ticket. So it costs him time and money to deal with the ticket.
Speaker 4:So you've either taken his car which costs him time and money, or violated his rights and costed him time and money. Right yeah. So, the officer's in dickhead position, either way yeah, that I and I agree I.
Speaker 1:I so for us. I think your argument absolutely has to go to court yeah, that's because I think a litigation it's a really good argument.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying like I can't, I'm not poking holes in it. I just don't agree with your argument. That's the only difference. But that's what court's supposed to figure out, because the defense is going to make a good argument and the prosecution is going to make a good argument. I think, in what you're saying, I think the courts would have their hands full. That's going to be a really tough fucking call that's at that point.
Speaker 2:That's a civil civil rights case.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely it is, and there's not much, and I may be wrong, but I follow case law pretty good. There's not much case law to go off on that.
Speaker 5:I think, there's like….
Speaker 3:When you stop the inventory versus when the owner shows up. Yeah, that's right. Now you are meaning and I'm speaking about the officer you're doing your job up until this point. Owner is now there. He's the registered owner of the vehicle. He said, hey, I'm here at this and this and this.
Speaker 3:Well, the officer, the officer, has a couple of choices Cut your citation and be gone. Or, if you have, you know. Or if you have, you know, let's just let's. Let's blow this up and make it is what it is.
Speaker 3:You have a weapon of mass destruction in that friggin thing and you've already called a three letter organization there and this has got to be investigated because this vehicle was going somewhere to cause extreme violence. The only thing the officer has to go on that is up until that legal point, till the officer arrives. Now, once you found that device, if you know what you're doing as an officer, you stop, you get a warrant, you follow through with everything. Now you get that three-letter organization to come and adopt that case, et cetera. But that's an extreme, and I'm just talking about an extreme right now. But if you talk about an extreme, you also have to talk about the lighter of things. Maybe there's one little tiny freaking roach in there. You know against the law et cetera, but that officer more than likely is going to take that and put it into property.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't have seen it. I wouldn't have seen it, honestly, I know that, but I'm just covering the entire spectrum. I don't know what roger looked. It could be a rolled cigarette, for all I know yeah, I'm not a drug dog, I'm sorry oh, you're good, go ahead.
Speaker 4:honestly, I don't think my argument would ever really make it to like a high level in court, because it's first oh well, you got your car back. No attorney is going to actually take that civil rights case because it's not going to get any. There's not going to be Unless you get an Institute for Justice or something.
Speaker 1:Don't be so sure. Every attorney wants their name to be a part of case law.
Speaker 2:He found a firearm in that car. He found something severe when he was in that car and you're like, well, look man, you shouldn't have been searching that car. You're not towing it. Well, yes, I should, well, no, I shouldn't. Yeah, there's gonna be lawyers lying, bro, I think I'm telling you your argument is that good like?
Speaker 1:it's good like it's the way you present that argument is. So I read a lot of case law and to me I'm looking at the way you argue them. Damn, that would be a fun case to watch. That would be a fun case to watch? Yeah for sure. I think you're underestimating your own argument, because your argument is fucking deep, that's true, there's a lot of levels to that I consider it to like a search incident to citation.
Speaker 4:You can't search somebody. Incident to citation, right, right, no, you can't search somebody.
Speaker 1:incident to citation, right, right no, you can only search some incident to arrest, correct Well let's say somebody's like.
Speaker 4:Well, this is technically what's the lowest level arrestable offense.
Speaker 1:A class B misdemeanor in Texas. Technically you can cash bond.
Speaker 4:Yeah. So what's the most mundane thing that you know of? I could cash bond you on meeting speeding.
Speaker 1:So let's say, I'm like, I'm taking you before the judge because I don't believe that you'll appear, because you refuse to sign your ticket I'm talking about like trespass, like not trespassing, but uh like jaywalking like jaywalking it would have to turn into something, because, I mean, jaywalking is not an arrestable offense.
Speaker 3:The only three things that are not arrestable in Texas and Eric knows these as well as I do is what is it? The container in the vehicle Right Speeding?
Speaker 1:Speeding we're talking about, if they sign it.
Speaker 3:And now the new one is texting.
Speaker 4:Okay, so you can technically arrest somebody for jaywalking, right? So let's say a police officer said you know what? I can arrest this guy for jaywalking. I'm gonna go, you're under arrest for jaywalking. So he searched, he searches him, you know, does everything, you know, does the full search because you are under arrest, right. And then says you know what I'm feeling like a nice guy right now, signs him a citation and says no, that's one thing, even though the academies could be much better.
Speaker 3:That is, you can't tit for tat on that. So if you've made your decision to arrest and you've done a search and to arrest, that man or woman that's under arrest has got to go to jail. That's that's so. That's similar, and I'm going to break off one story on this, just so you can understand the law enforcement side of it. If I come up to you and you're, you're, you're driving whatever vehicle, and I say, hey man, you know I'm going to have you step out of the car for a second. You got four or five other people in there and the music's loud. I want them to still jam out. You're their designated driver. Let them have fun. Get you out to the back of the car. Hey man, do you mind if I search your vehicle? You know what, man? My attorney's always told me to tell you to go fuck off on a search and that's your right, right, so me, I'm not going to violate that right.
Speaker 3:But if there's an officer that's questionable may say well, I stopped you for not using your turn signal 100 feet prior to turn. I'm going to make the decision now, since you denied me that I'm going to what's called instanter. You on no turn signal. You know now you have just dug as a police officer, dug yourself into a legal hole that's going to put you in prison. So that original reason for the stop, the original probable cause, okay, you as an officer have to make that decision right now. Am I going to cite this person or am I going to arrest this person for the criminal driving offense that just happened in front of me?
Speaker 3:Because when anybody has a police officer light up the red and blues behind them and their their action stops and they pull to the right side being safe, that's technically an arrest. Is it something going on your record? No, but it's an arrest. Your movement has stopped. So the state of texas looks at that as we've made an arrest right now, and that's the same as Oklahoma, louisiana, new Mexico, arizona, california. And if you go up there and in lieu of going to jail, I'm writing you either a citation or a warning, or verbal, whatever it is and releasing you from the scene. So if I ask you to search that car and you tell me to go, pound sand, like somebody that knows their rights can do, and the officer can't get pissed off about it in a legal right mind and he decides to use that first probable cause, right the way he stopped you to arrest you. That's where the red flags come up. That is absolutely.
Speaker 4:You cannot do that yeah, that that's why I tell everybody, everybody I meet, I always tell them if a cop asks you a question, say I invoke, I invoke my Fifth Amendment, right. Because? Then? Because there's a case law where if you don't clearly invoke your rights, you can't actually. You know your silence can be used against you. So if you say I don't answer questions, you're not invoking your right.
Speaker 4:So I tell everybody, if a cop asks you a question, say I invoke my right to remain silent you actually have the right to not dig holes if they ask the search, search, you say I don't consent to searches or seizures, right, but if they but comply, honestly a little liability between you know, two cops one and the general public.
Speaker 3:We're peace officers, right. So we have the basic knowledge. We're not attorneys and we want every Tom, dick and Harry that watches the show to protect their rights, and that's what we're here to do. So we're going to give you stuff based on our career, what we've seen, what we've done. We've also seen the bad videos that y'all have seen out there and what you can do. And you know I've been stopped. I'm not the cop that you know. The flash is a badge and I've been. I've been.
Speaker 3:You know, state trooper asked me to search the car and I looked at my watch, I checked the time and I'm like you know what, dude, go ahead and search. I knew I had a pack of Marlboros. I've got a bad habit. I've got two cans of Copenhagen long cuts sitting in there. I'm like you know what In a bag of clothes. Go ahead and knock yourself out, man. Next thing, I know two more troopers show up. A dog shows up. I'm going through.
Speaker 3:I think it was my first midlife crisis. I had a Mustang and I put Lamborghini doors on it. They I knew there's nothing in there illegal and they're taking apart my battery cover and the hood and this and this and this. And one of them went back and searched something. He's like are you a cop? And I'm like, yeah, but I'm a civilian. Right now I'm on the motorway just like everybody else. He asked me to search my car and I've got the time, so go ahead, you want to see my license? But if your dog didn't indicate, I'm about to end it because I've got to be somewhere in 30 minutes.
Speaker 3:No harm, no foul against y'all, you're just doing your job. They're like why didn't you just say you're a cop? I'm like I don't believe that's right. That's just not the way I roll business. And they're like dude, we would have man, we just tore your car apart. We looked at everything. I'm like, hey, man, go out there and find the next fish. And I don't care if somebody searches my car, just don't break it. You know what I mean? Uh, you might find some spit when I miss my spitter or something like that. Nothing illicit in my car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go ahead and search it real quick, but that's just me and kudos to you, slayer, because I tell you what there's, and listen I'm. One of my biggest downfalls is I'm in my comment section way too much and there are 100 people who do not know their rights as much as you do and as much as they should, I mean. I can give you an easy example. I had a guy that was on you guys know the channel Taco Reacts or something like that.
Speaker 4:I think I've seen it when I'm scrolling through my feed or something. He's hilarious.
Speaker 2:But he has this insane truck and he just blasts music in the middle of this field. He's like I just want you to see how loud as much as you how loud this music gets. Right, he's blasted and somebody in the comment section was like your right to blast that music doesn't trump my right to not hear it. And I was like oh no, no, no, it most certainly does. I'm like it protects the rights that you don't like, not not the rights you like. But I'm like now if there's a town ordinance or something, what they want, but not the point, but yeah, but yeah, seriously, kudos to you to even be, for even having the intelligence and the wherewithal to raise these questions yeah, and having the balls to come on, dude, I mean you never know how this is gonna go, but you, you followed us.
Speaker 1:You know how we are, but you know, I try to tell people, man. I was like how much vetting of you did I do kingslayer?
Speaker 4:uh, not any really. I think we had a conversation about me coming on to talk about qualified immunity. And then you're like I'm setting something up, and then you're like and I just haven't.
Speaker 1:It hasn't come. It hasn't come yet. We're waiting on Vaughn, that's our.
Speaker 4:And then I messaged you today like, yeah, I'll come on and talk about this if you want.
Speaker 3:We're definitely going to have a great panel and I think that's going to be a night. We're probably going to advertise two weeks out. I haven't talked to Eric much, but I want as many people as we can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's going to be a big one. It is yeah, yeah. And now that we've had you on, sir, you're still, I told you then you're still more than welcome to be on with that one. You're still, I told you, then you're still more than welcome to be on with that one, I think, mr Belfold said he wants to be on that one too Careful.
Speaker 2:once they get a hold of you, they don't.
Speaker 1:So that's where I want us to be different. I want us to offer the platform to the people that follow us and that have compelling arguments against what the copsplainers are doing, Because, I mean, that's what some people like to tease us that we copsplain. That's not our intentions, but, yes, sometimes I am copsplaining. I hear myself and I'm like God, I am copsplaining, I'm doing the things, I'm doing the thing.
Speaker 3:We're human guys, I mean, we're just like y'all, which may be a different profession than you do.
Speaker 1:It's not a lot of people like you man Teachers, welders and this and that.
Speaker 3:And if I go try to step off in that career, I'm going to get my ass eaten Cause I have no freaking clue. I'm going to reach out to y'all how do I do this?
Speaker 2:Get your ass.
Speaker 4:Honestly, it's funny, I'll be watching the video and I'll just be steaming and steaming and I'm like you know what? There are good cops like two cops.
Speaker 1:I just I start like thinking two cops, one donut in my head over and over. It's like it's a good man, that's good. That's kind of what we're hoping for. At least there's two of them out there, right here's.
Speaker 3:Here's the rear, or the reality, on eric and I and badge 502 and people that we bring on here. There are so many more in the drone droves, I mean, of good cops out there and you're never going to see them in the media because they're not crossing that.
Speaker 2:Yeah they didn't do it.
Speaker 3:You know, and there's literally hundreds of thousands on duty every day across this country and they're not crossing that line. They were out there upholding the law and protecting the rights of the citizens, and any, and I wish we could kind of show the the the map on that of what it looks like, but hell, I can't even draw that. I can't draw a stick. But there's so many great cops out there, man, and I hope we're doing a good job representing across this country.
Speaker 4:Yeah I just it's with with bad cops. I just I'll watch a video and I'll see a bad cop do something bad and there's 15 cops standing around yeah, yeah like, like.
Speaker 3:Why aren't they stopping that? Why isn't?
Speaker 4:and I get it man yeah, like the um, that sunrise police, the sunrise police thing, where, um, the supervisor or whatever was getting in the band's face and he's I'm a pepper spray, you like, holding it real close, and the female cop grabs him and oh, yeah, and says, and then he pulls around and pushes her by the net, by the throat yeah it's, there's seven officers standing around. What saying? Hmm, this supervisor is about to assault a man, and then he turns around and assaults our member of our team, even though she's in the right yeah and they're just standing there watching this other officer.
Speaker 4:It's like okay, so all seven of you plus that supervising officer are bad cops how did that I?
Speaker 2:haven't seen that.
Speaker 1:How yeah it's it's heat that dude ends up getting fired and charged, by the way, for those that don't know. So that was a positive and I'm not going to defend it because I know me, if I would have seen that, I'd like to think. Anyway, we all say what we would have done, but I would like to think I would have done the same thing that she did. I will say it takes a lot more stones at her level because she was a rookie. I mean a rookie rookie, like first year officer, takes a lot more stones to do that at that level than it does for somebody that's got a couple years under their belt and they know that dude and they're like you're hoping that the Sarge is going to pull himself back and you don't want to step on toes and all that shit.
Speaker 1:So it's not making an excuse, they should have done something. But it's not an easy decision because you're hoping, you're, you're trying to wait till that last possible second, like okay, he's going to stop, he's, he's going to, like all right. And then we saw what we saw. So, um, but you're right, they I don't want to say that they're bad cops either. We've all made mistakes and errors in judgment. It doesn't necessarily make your whole life and what you do and what your cause is bad, so that's kind of in that moment they are a part of the bad cop club yeah, yeah and I'll give you that um country girl.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it, but I think I think youtube cut us off on memberships.
Speaker 4:So if you guys want to help support, hit those stickers or whatever the other things are um I've actually seen like um super chat um, videos of stuff where it's like uh, where it's like oh, these cops don't seem like they're doing something wrong, but I'm like these cops are doing something extremely wrong. Like, um, there's a video where, um, I think detectives say hey, if you can stop this car, stop this car, you know. So the cop stops the car, he walks up yeah, you know, starts talking to him, guys like you know, talking back. You know the cop's not asking for the um, you know he's like I stopped you for misuse of blinker. And then he's like the dog rolls up and you know, like five minutes into the stop they'd run the dog, which I'm not a fan of dogs. I just I don't think they're accurate enough. I don't think they should.
Speaker 1:Don't get banning going. He used to be a canine officer.
Speaker 4:Honestly, I I'm not a fan of canines in any role in law enforcement, so so I'm going to enter.
Speaker 3:So I'm not a fan of properly trained canines Properly or improperly Well, I'm not a fan of the improperly trained. So in the dog industry, if you look at it globally, it's about the really good ones are less than 20 across this country that are outstanding trainers et cetera, et cetera, and there's some loose end stuff that are in the Supreme Court and state Supreme Courts on how that training goes. When I came into K-9, it was 2003. Our chief was if we're going to do this and we're going to do a Homeland Security grant on it, it's got to be the best in the business and so my dog's name, and I think you'll get a kick out of it.
Speaker 3:My first dog was Diesel, and you can't see it on my arm. You can see that little bump right there.
Speaker 3:He ate my lunch so he didn't make the cut. He broke my radius, myona, both bones and I damn sure wasn't going to release that as a as a dog in the public. I'm glad he bit me and not somebody else. The, the, the second dog that I had, didn't make it through training and tried to die on me at the at the gun range and we were exposing to firearms. My third dog did make it.
Speaker 3:We did great at the Olympics for for narcotics tracking and what's called audit recovery, did great at the Olympics for narcotics tracking and what's called auto recovery. And she was great at finding dope and her name was Mary Jane. She was a black lab, I named her like that at frigging, finding dope man. And we do what's called diversionary tactics trainings. It's twice a week that we were doing our trainings.
Speaker 3:Most agencies do one, but my partner and I his name is tom myers at the agency I worked at and we friggin, you know, twice a week are going out there and do this training and when we do the training we use cotton balls that are absorbed around the, the actual narcotics that are, that are created by the dea, that are 100 pure and and that's how we would train our dogs and then when we go out on the street, we don't provide a treat to these dogs. You'll see a lot of videos of dogs going and once they find the dope, the handler or the police officer that's in charge of that dog boom, there's a treat for finding your dope. No, when it's a live find, you do not reward your dog, and that's a big thing for me and I see a lot of bad stuff over the country in reference to these dogs.
Speaker 4:But your logs are very, very they, they, they got to be thick, they have to be good and if you don't have a good dog, get it the hell off the street period yeah, because I think I there was that one study that came out of chicago that said like the dog's overall accuracy were like for finding anything you know they'd hit out of all their hits was like 45 percent and then with certain communities it was like 20 percent and it's like why are they? Why are the all these dogs but none of them are finding anything?
Speaker 3:That's a problem that I have. So in my career I had my dog on the street for nine years. I had two vehicles that no narcotic substance were found in it, but there's something called a rage estate statement. The driver came across and stated look man, we smoked a joint about four hours ago. I put the joint out back in the old cars where you had the mirror control that was manual to move that driver's mirror around Because it was metal. He put the joint on that and put it out the window. So we went and confirmed that you had an ash substance right there and the dog did indicate on the driver's side door.
Speaker 3:My dog the accuracy was I'm going to use the word was fucking crazy. She was amazing at it and we did that two times a week. Boom, boom, boom, boom. We're going to do more clean cars with nothing in it, brand new cars out of manufacture at a car lot, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom to where we can log that properly. And then if we did a dirty car it's going to be used one with all kinds of other scents, with pizza and everything else. But that dog has got to do that indication. Mine was a sit and point with her nose and it's got to be where that odor is coming from, and if it's not, we retrain and go back to it. But mary jane was. She was an accurate dog, so I can sit there and go on dogs and yes, there are bad dogs out there.
Speaker 3:I'm not in the dog world anymore and this thing is kind of blown up across the united states where these wannabe trainers and judges of dogs have come out. But until the supreme court, state or state Supreme Courts change things, it's going to keep rolling the way it is. There are some amazing dogs out there, but I agree with you, there are some not so amazing dogs out there as well.
Speaker 4:I always come back to the. This is a I think it's a DEA. It was happening in the airports and they're like can we search you real quick? You bought a last minute ticket, you know, can we search your bag? Yada, yada, yada. The person says no goes, sits on his plane because he had already been through TSA. He had already been through all his checkpoints. This was not related to flying at all airport security so much.
Speaker 4:I think it was a DEA or maybe it was, I'm not sure if it was ATF one of the four three-letter agencies Comes on, grabs the luggage off, walks off with it, and so the guy follows and he's like why are you detaining me? And the guy's like I'm not detaining you, I'm detaining your stuff, you can leave at any time. And then he's like we're going gonna hold it here until my dog can run around you. So the dog runs around and hits on it and it's like, oh, open it up, nothing's in there. And it's like before he, uh, um, before the dog hits the you know canine hamster like you know making noise and pointing towards there, because the dog walks around it twice and just doesn't do anything. And then the officer walks by and points and gestures and then the dog sits and he's like, oh, did you see that the dog, the dog hit on the bag.
Speaker 4:so it's like yeah, the snickers bar in there bro yeah, yeah, honestly that that was um one of the reasons why, um that agency's not allowed to work in, not not allowed to do what they called cold consent encounters anymore, and because, it got caught on video these officers. It's not consensual.
Speaker 1:Right, I want to give a shout out real quick to Harrison. He, harrison, brock, he got us a super sticker. Drop 50 bones on the page, specifically Harrison, man, every and everybody that that tried to buy memberships and stuff tonight. I just want to give a thank you, cause what you guys do is actually helping support what we do. That money doesn't go into me or Banning or anybody else's pocket. It just rolls right back into what we're trying to do and so, again, appreciate that. Thank you very much, harrison. I want to make sure he got a verbal shout out for doing that, but all right, so all right. Kingslayer, sir, I want, uh, thank you for being on tonight. Um, we're gonna get into the body cam reviews and all that stuff, so I'm gonna bid you farewell for now. I think everybody loved you being on here, um, on the panel and definitely in the chat, so you are welcome back at any time. Sir, let me know what topics and stuff that you want to hit on if you feel passionately about them um, I feel passionately about a lot.
Speaker 4:Um, can I say something? Absolutely so the reason I brought up like the incident to to a citation earlier after I brought up the incident like the inventory search, was because that's how I see my scenario the inventory search going and that that's what I could compare what that officer in that video did. That that's why I you know, that's why I compared it like that okay, fair enough I, I, I didn't want to you know it to come off like I was trying to like no, no, brother, we appreciate this, this is why, eric originally created this.
Speaker 3:You know, this is truly the the bridge between the community and law enforcement. Uh, taking the experience that we have, the experience of the panelists that we bring on, and for you to be questioning something, we're freaking americans. If we're not questioning, we're not americans. You know. That's what this country is built on.
Speaker 3:Is the freaking revolutions were fought over too you know, and it's and it's, and I love that you did that. I love that eric was able to reach out to you, actually came onto the show. Man, this is what this is all about. Yeah, like I said, you know eric has mentioned this several times we don't make money on this. You know, in the, in 10 years from, if we pull a paycheck frigging awesome, what we're doing right now is trying to educate the public of just law enforcement, of what we know to protect your rights. If you can bring this type of stuff up, that's what we're built on, man, thank you for having the cojones, so to speak, to come on the show man.
Speaker 3:That says a lot about you.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having a better mic than half the letter on there.
Speaker 4:Is my mic all right.
Speaker 5:No, your mic is glorious. I got a blue Yeti.
Speaker 2:You can't see it now, but I got a Yeti roughly here someplace.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you sound great bud.
Speaker 4:Honestly, another topic that I'm passionate about is knitting, not knitting underwater basket weaving I mean I I just picked up, uh going skeet shooting. But there you go yeah, is that?
Speaker 4:is. Well, I'm interested in like search and seizure stuff so I like um. I've been one of the people who's been pushing you guys about like the stiegled warrants or whatever, whenever it comes up um third party searches on houses and my position on that is, according to stiegled, as long as the person who's got the warrant is isn't creating an accidental circumstance, no matter how bad the warrant you have to get a search warrant to a house. That's my basic position on that. I know we could go an hour and a half on that.
Speaker 1:I love it. I'm not going to get into that tonight. I want to get into some of these videos, because we're already an hour and a half into this. Fuck it, we'll bring it up next time.
Speaker 5:We'll do that next week week.
Speaker 1:I guess we got topics for next week.
Speaker 2:Thanks, for being a real one, brother appreciate you, man now do I just hit leave, or let me see
Speaker 1:here, top right. You can just hit brother. Thank you so much appreciate you, kingslayer, thanks for having me home to the family we're going to have Kingslayer getting a green having me yes, sir, Home to the family. We're going to have Kingslayer getting a green screen and he's going to be getting new lights and all that shit.
Speaker 3:That's cool, dude man.
Speaker 3:It's just got very expensive those people watching right now that have questioned stuff. You've seen stuff. If you have the ability to do it I mean, unfortunately we can't get everybody on one night, but Eric can sit there and start doing a lineup and get people on I mean, we're, we're. We're not the enemy, we're here trying to show you how to protect your rights, show you how to do the right things. Yep, um, if we see a video that we, we state that that the law enforcement probably did right, there's a lot of years of experience behind that. We're not just saying we're not cops planning.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:We. You know Mr Bill, I love him. I haven't met him yet. I'm going to buy the dude a beer. He's a former Marine like me, so he's probably yeah, we got.
Speaker 1:I want to go drinking with that guy, you bet, man.
Speaker 3:For sure, so many that had some negative thoughts on cops and now may have a little bit more of a positive thing on some cops. We've done our job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, somebody is hitting the fuck out of their mic. I don't think it's mine, god damn it. He's like it's me. Yeah, I was like what is that noise?
Speaker 5:It's going to take me anywhere.
Speaker 3:Your hat looks like mine and I was getting excited, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you're good, you're good, uh, yeah you um, so let me, let me see. I had another video I wanted to bring up. Uh, let me see here. Hey, why are you?
Speaker 3:bringing that up. I'm going to talk about the, the hat that eric and I are wearing yeah, go ahead sir so there's a guy named uh I know he doesn't like his name to be used, so Michael Best. He's up in the north. We'll say that, but you can look it up.
Speaker 6:What's his address?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's 402 Main Street. No, I'm just kidding. Law enforcement officer what was it? Support Foundation? So Eric and I are both wearing that hat and I've known Michael for years, so look up. National Law Enforcement Officers Support Foundation. These guys are doing things from mental health care and everything else for cops that have experienced some stuff and they're not making any money on it. These guys are truly helping people in the first responder industry. Man, he's doing a great job.
Speaker 3:I'll leave it at that Go look it up yourself and make your own opinion on it. If you have the ability to donate towards this cause, if not, like and subscribe to his page and share it with others.
Speaker 1:I want to just give a creepy coincidence. If you look at my hat, that is two arrows from old school, bow and arrow, and then it, you know, obviously has the initials in there for what it stands for. I want you guys wrong elbow or wrong arm. That is my chippewa tattoo, that I got chippewa on my background and it is damn near identical. It's got my wife and kids initials on it. Has its own meaning, but it's just kind of creepy how that came up. So anyway, shotguns and Tattoos said Well done Kings. I usually fuck around and chat and listen at work. I love it. Let's see here. La Princess said work, I love it. Um, let's see here la princess. Uh said hey, good to see you getting into week four. Farm tech classes instructor says I'm one of his most thorough students. Guess I'm not doing as bad as I thought I don't know the difference between milligrams and micrograms.
Speaker 1:Don't tell me told me oh, that's funny, so anyway, guys, um, let me get. I wanted to show this video here but share, uh, just because this one was another one that people were chatting about, so I'm split.
Speaker 1:Cars to the left and the right and instant karma, I know. So, okay, stop sharing. I wanted to just briefly get into what that guy was doing would be considered lane splitting because traffic was moving. Now in california you can lane split and lane filter. In the video you hear me describe what lane filtering is. That's when vehicles are stopped in the car or the motorcycle filters its way to the front. Um, I will tell you guys that in my I'm not a motorcycle rider and when I first saw lane splitting and filtering I hated it. I'm like no, fuck you, I gotta wait, everybody gotta wait. You're a car too, like just because you only got two wheels and no cage, that ain't my fault. Uh, I have reversed that. Um, I am a lane filtering fan. I think it makes sense. I think it saves a lot of rear endings that happen to motorcyclists. They get guys, listen, I've I've seen the stats. Motorcyclists are more often not at fault for their accidents.
Speaker 2:It's more often another motorist that causes an accident motorcycles cause more accidents to themselves Um when there's a vehicle involved, right?
Speaker 1:So in this um I claimed that this obviously the truck was at fault and you could tell that it clearly moved over to try to prevent him from splitting lanes. And people were like, well, how can you prove the intended that? And I'm like it's not that hard, you just make the argument. Hey, where the cop was located, he could see in front of the truck. There was clearly no indication of an obstacle in the way. There was nothing for him to go. He didn't use his turn signal to go to the right, there were cars in the right lane so he wasn't merging and he timed it perfectly. At the same time, this bike just happens to be lane splitting. So any reasonable and prudent person would believe that he was doing some sort of road rage incident here, and in my training experience with road rage, this is common and I was stopping this vehicle to prevent it from escalating so that that's how I see that.
Speaker 2:You do absolutely get the rider. I mean, I've been riding for a long time. You absolutely have the shorties on the sporties that are blasting 70 miles an hour, lane splitting and that's obviously completely reckless. Obviously, I don't think I need to tell anybody that you shouldn't do that, but people do absolutely. When you're going at such a slow speed, there are bikes that I mean that particular bike is not, but there's bikes that are air-cooled. You sit in 90, 95, 100 degree weather. Your bike can go roasty, toasty and you're not. Now you're not going anywhere. Now you're pushing a 700 pound bagger out of the middle lane of the highway yeah, and that was another thing I learned in this.
Speaker 1:And here is one of the points I want to make about the podcast y'all, I changed my stance on the motorcycle lane splitting and all that stuff from doing the podcast four years ago. I didn't. So when I try to tell you guys that I learned just as much from y'all as you do from me, like I mean it, if you go back and watch some of the first motorcycle videos I made, my stance was not the same and I'm not the guy that's going to go delete it. I want you to see the progression I've made.
Speaker 1:I've I've changed my stance on some certain as a person yeah, so I'm, I'm with it. Um, now, lane splitting in itself I find dangerous, just because you know no one's talking about it. Like motorcycles are hard, like I love you motorcycles, but you're hard to see sometimes.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, I agree, Listen, you got guys that slam, that throttle, but what a no, no, no, no, no. How many times have you had somebody do that? And by the time you actually hear it, look over your shoulder they're coming past you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you. I know people think that you slam on your throttle. You're here and it you're not there. Yeah, and stop breaking people's fucking mirrors. Some of them deserve it, some of them have it coming, but those are the ones that are trying to assault you with their car. Some of them it's a clear accident. They didn't mean to cut you off or do whatever. It is understand. Your life is on the line and it's high stakes and everybody's stress level and you know hyper vigilance is is going crazy when we're driving 70 80 miles an hour. But damn, don't go breaking people's mirrors when it's an accident yeah, and you're recording it too by the way, yeah, yeah, now, don't get me wrong, I do it's funny.
Speaker 2:it's funny to watch, funny for us.
Speaker 1:You get that bill in the mail. I fully admit it's wrong, but it's still funny to watch. It's like watching little kids learn hard lessons. It cracks me up when they take a header off of the coffee table or something High stakes roasty toasty vibes.
Speaker 2:I like it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I just wanted to get that video out there kind of give a little clarification, because it was. I was getting like quick back, like what are you going to charge them with? A whole bunch of things. One of the things you could get charged with there minimum is obstruction Obstructing the lane, obstructing the flow of traffic. He didn't have to leave the lane to do that, so he was obstructing that vehicle from being able to go forward?
Speaker 2:Is there a driving right of center ticket? I know there's driving left of center, ticket right Like drifting over the line and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Well, he wasn't over the line.
Speaker 2:He didn't fail to maintain the lane yet, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so reckless. You could say it was a reckless move simply because there was nowhere for him to go. There's no reason for him to move that way. I mean, like I said, you can articulate all this stuff Car right next to him. Yeah, so I'm going to take a second shameless plug, guys. Hey, if you haven't yet, please like, subscribe, follow Badge 502 and us please. It is free and it takes 10 seconds. Maybe. If you're not that good at working computers, the only thing that I have you're going to see me on Facebook but it's been hacked.
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Speaker 2:Sweatland, will I be your highest follower, oh?
Speaker 3:God, I mean literally. I have not had it that long at all. We're getting them there, though I keep tagging them in everything that we do. Jay says subscribe.
Speaker 1:Jay's just screaming Love it. Yeah, I like Badge 502's fans because they're all super educated medical nerds. They're awesome. Oh yeah, noids, that's the best. Seymour fields, not seymour butts. Uh seriously, the bikes I know we think like I love it. Uh seriously, the bikes are just as reckless as the cars and trucks. Saying it's for safety when he's trying to share a lane with a pickup, he just wants to go fast.
Speaker 2:Eh, maybe some, but there's definitely bikers on the road that just want to, and you don't even need to take my word for it. You've seen the videos they're just blasting. They're doing 90 miles an hour where you should be doing 20. They're dickheads are out there. They're a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are out there, but I don't just like I drive like a grandma and.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about like an old grandma, not one of the like fun, cute ones that are like 50 years old.
Speaker 1:No, that's not me and I just want to say it's the same. I look at motorcyclists like people, like I want people to look at cops. Yeah, you're seeing some bad cops out there. You're seeing these videos and if that's your algorithms, that's all you're going to see. It's the same with the motorcyclists 99 of these motorcyclists are out there doing the right thing. It's just the ones that you keep seeing on your videos because they're fun videos to watch. Trust me, I watch them too. Yeah, the boring ones don't make the cut. Yeah, yeah, the boring ones don't make the cut. Exactly, all right, let me, we're going to post the videos. So, first and foremost, we're going to post the videos. So, first and foremost, we're going to give a shout out to the one that we get all the videos from. So I want you to see their page Police activity on YouTube. Make sure you guys subscribe to them or follow them or whatever it is, but they've got 6.5 million subs, so I don't think. I think they need more. They're not doing too well 7 million is ostentatious.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly. So we're going to go to our very first video. So for those listening, if you've never done this, if anybody on Badge 502 is like what the fuck are we doing? Now? We're going to watch body cam videos and we are going to talk to you guys through those as though we are the officers in the video and try to break the call down as it goes of what we would do next and then see how accurate we are. It's kind of a different way. We're not monday morning quarterbacking. We're trying to explain what we're thinking as a call develops, so then you can see how consistent the training is across the board. Um, with whatever this officer in the video is seeing. So viewer discretion advised. We don't know what it's going to show. We've never seen these videos, so this one is five minutes long. We're going to biggie size this video and play 10-4,.
Speaker 6:He's right there, give us a 33. Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands Get on the fucking ground right now.
Speaker 1:Okay, not a common reaction. I'm going to say already off the bat, my spidey senses are way up. These were people they were looking for because they clearly called it. Hey, there they are. This is where they're at. They have triangulated. And for me in this, when you've got uniformed officers giving you commands and you are clearly ignoring those and just trying to walk through or about to run to me it looks like he's about to rabbit and run. That is a big red flag Banning. I'll let you go next.
Speaker 3:What do you see? No same thing, I mean. And look at the crossfire here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to let you get that one.
Speaker 3:That kills me as a firearm destructor. But what situation do we have? You know they're figuring it all out. What's going on? His hands and his pockets are to his sides. They're obviously wanting a peaceful conclusion. We don't know how this is going to pan out, so we'll go from there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like Ward, we're just going to stroll this way.
Speaker 2:Just moseying along.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Just walking through. You got anything, Anthony, on this? What your concerns are right now.
Speaker 2:Obviously, he's walking directly between the two officers. So immediately, crossfire is going to be something that you want to worry about, but he's obviously being completely noncompliant. He's completely ignoring anything that the officers are saying. At this point, he's either cooking and booking or he's gonna. That's the only thing he knows. He's either gonna cook and book or draw down on these guys. So this is okay, looks like a sketchy situation okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1:All right, let's keep going shots fired.
Speaker 6:Shots fired saw something.
Speaker 1:I didn't see it now that doesn't mean that it wasn't there, just the video that I'm looking at. I couldn't see it, so, um, let's, uh, damn, I'm hoping to god. He crazy, he had that malfunction. He's using a glock too, so yeah he might have limp wrist. I don't yeah. Good, they're getting verbal commands there. There, it was a blizzard which was a big net oh, he fired too crossfire, crossfire, jesus, jesus
Speaker 2:oh my god, did you hear?
Speaker 1:that I think a tire got hit yeah, I'm gonna go back. I think in the crossfire this officer over here fired and I can hear a tire going out. I'm gonna go back. I think I think this officer shot over here and hit a tire.
Speaker 2:Right there, did you hear that?
Speaker 1:Shot, fired. The guy unasked when the gun went down.
Speaker 6:Where is he? Do you see him? Do you see him?
Speaker 1:Yep, right here, let's go. Good communication. He said yep, he's right here, let's go. Where's the gun.
Speaker 6:Gun's right here. Gun's right here.
Speaker 5:Good communication.
Speaker 1:So for me, and I think somebody said it, a country girl said too many given commands. Yeah, everybody was yelling. Too many people talking.
Speaker 6:Let's keep going. They got the gun. You fucking move. I'm going to blast your head off, oh, it's good.
Speaker 1:Okay, with a little scared straight program, do not move, do not move. My question is did the dude get hit?
Speaker 6:India 649,. We're hit India six. Right now. We're taking one, because right now stop moving. I.
Speaker 4:Got my gun oh.
Speaker 1:God, okay, he's in custody. Bro, take the gun off his head and I will just say in uh, badge 502. You can probably back me up on this. Did you hear the way he groaned in pain? That wasn't a normal groan, it's going south fast.
Speaker 3:It's getting close to Agnell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was his movements that he was doing. I don't think those were even voluntary.
Speaker 2:So His car tire is getting hit.
Speaker 1:I've never seen a gun get displayed.
Speaker 2:Shots fired, just the real one? How many shots is?
Speaker 6:that what? Where is he? You see him, you see him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was good on that officer. I can see him register that his hands were empty and that he stops firing. Did you notice that?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It definitely looked like he pulled back.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go back just a little bit. I think he registered it. I'm still trying to look for it. Look right here Shot fired Fires. Now he sees his hands and he stops. Drop the gun. Now that gun's already gone.
Speaker 2:Where is he?
Speaker 6:You see him, you see him, yeah, right here, and he stopped that. Guns already gone.
Speaker 1:Roll on your face, let me see your fucking hands right now. Put your fucking hands out, let's go forward. We already seen this part.
Speaker 6:Hold legs. Hey bro, where are you hit at? Where are you hit at? Where are you hit?
Speaker 1:Where are you hit at? So anytime we get hit in this area, what are we worried about over here, anthony?
Speaker 2:so obviously you have your femoral artery. Over there you can lose quarts of blood and it takes zero time.
Speaker 1:I think you bleed out from your femoral in like what minute and a half two minutes yeah, it's a two minute bleed time usually two to three minute bleed time, depending on how heavy your heart's beating at that point.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, that's a, that's a big, that's a big order. It's huge. Um, and other other than that. It's the largest bone in your body, your femur, the largest one in your body. So even if you don't hit the fem, the femoral artery, you're talking about possibly snapping the biggest bone in your body. So you're yeah bad day. Anytime you've ever heard anybody say shoot him in the leg, just shoot him in the leg, bro. You are actually asking to mortally wound that person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kingslayer Super Chat. He gave us a $5 donation. He said it's life and death. Simon says Make sure there is only one. Simon. Also listen to Simon, I love it.
Speaker 2:Thank you, kingslayer laser. Bad news put them in the hip they can't walk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, and, and, for those that don't don't know, in in badge 502. You tell me if I'm wrong on this, but from what I was told I had another officer friend of mine, um matt pierce, who's been on my show. His femur was broken from gunfire. He was shot seven times, I believe.
Speaker 2:Uh by a bad guy.
Speaker 1:uh, as he was jumping a fence to go look for the bad guy in this high grass, the dude ambushed him and, uh, the first shot went through his femur and what I was told is the bones in the femur. The way that it works is, as soon as the femur gives way, all those muscles spin around, because the bone is literally like like a band around it yeah, the bone is supported by the tendon ligaments in that part of the body.
Speaker 2:Mind you, remember, you have everything is in there. Your knee is is right there. All that stuff is all held under tension, um, which is why you get so much relief when we pull traction on it and put something like a traction splint on you. When you now, mind you, you still have a broken leg or you still have, you know, a hole in you, okay, okay, at that point you're hurt, right. But the amount of relief you get when we pull tourniquets, absolutely the amount of relief that a patient gets when we pull tourniquets, absolutely the amount of relief that a patient gets when we pull traction on that, because your bone splinters, it's like this, you know. So you have this stuff digging into your bones. So when we pull traction on it, and now it's like this, at least all that stuff's not digging into you, but everything contorts. So when you break a femur if you've ever seen anybody who's broken a hip, you'll see one foot's like this and one foot's like this your whole leg turns. It's all held together under tension.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you're absolutely right If you break your femur. Stuff's getting twisted, stuff's getting torqued around. It's not a good day, it's a bad day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not 100% in belief yet, from what we see, that that femoral has been hit. I do believe he's been hit, obviously, and he's bleeding, but that's not enough blood yet for me. But that doesn't matter, I'm still going to put a tourniquet on this leg. And then the other concern is when you get hit in that pelvic area because there's so many things going on behind your dick I don't know a better way to say it.
Speaker 2:That's all organs.
Speaker 1:Gotcha Anything, you get shot in the pelvis.
Speaker 2:If you get shot in the abdomen, that's a bad day man.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the gut shots are the worst. All right, we're going to keep going here.
Speaker 6:Hey, let me grab my med bag.
Speaker 1:The officer recognized, I think, his talents right away. There's just a difference between somebody in pain and somebody dying.
Speaker 5:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 6:No, I'm good. Hey, here, bag here gloves bag. Yep, good this guy was a.
Speaker 1:Boy Scout hey, sit, hey right here, right here, right here, here.
Speaker 5:back there gloves back like everybody's doing something, everybody's being a part of the team hey, secure that.
Speaker 6:A watch that, stay watching that. You, hey, watch that, stay watching that.
Speaker 3:You know, and at that point of the video, and Eric and you can disagree with me if you want, that's fine. But when we figure it out he's got a serious injury, let's go ahead and uncuff. We've got the guns gone, let's uncuff. Let's let that. You know, I'm not a doctor. I don't have what bad 502s. Get in reverse too, but I want to get those arms back out. I think that's going to help with some breathing, just as a guess. But let's render aid, get the medics in there and do the life-saving stuff, period.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one-third of a femur hit Ouchies. Yeah, I don't envy that that. Yeah, I don't envy that. That's tough. You're doing tough stuff every day.
Speaker 1:I don't know, what that means.
Speaker 2:Bone necrosis. Basically her, at least in this particular situation, it's one-third of a femoral head. So your femoral head is the part that connects up to your the part that comes up and out to your hip, like that, or the part that's down at the bottom of the boat and she has one third of it left. So it's been necrotizing, it's been eating away, it's been deteriorating.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, yeah, damn Alright, we're going to Banning. May have to bounce.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately I've got a couple meetings I've got to go to for this conference.
Speaker 1:Okay, no worries, you've got a couple of meetings I got to go to for this conference.
Speaker 3:Okay, no worries you got to go right now Five minutes. Okay, I say I got one more video.
Speaker 1:It is four minutes long, so you know it doesn't. We never get through them in four minutes. But let's see here, let's share the screen, make sure we got the right one. Boom Again, police activity going to biggie size and let's go oh, this is michigan. All right, we've talked about this a million times. We're going to call a direction of travel traffic. How heavy it is, I would consider this light traffic. I've been a few times with you. Traffic at 1636, can you get traffic conditions?
Speaker 6:please, there we go.
Speaker 2:Is this just proof that you don't need to go construction lanes?
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely not. This is a 1640. You don't need to go construction lanes. Yeah, definitely not. Why we don't follow right on their ass in case they take an exit right away? Last second, that's we stay back. Rookie officers, they like to follow right on that bumper and a bad guy will make a last-second move off an exit and for whatever they've seen on YouTube.
Speaker 3:There's different agencies that are going right in for that bit immediately, depending on the state and region of the country.
Speaker 1:Here, yep, now I will give um livingston county. They have a good sheriff's department. Um, I'm from michigan and, uh, now I can't say that a hundred percent, I'm just saying they had a good reputation back when I was there. So I'll say that he's riding up on this other car's butt Going down the ramp. We're going to have an exit coming up here, major intersection. I'm slowing way down Going into the city.
Speaker 5:They're in minor's picture instead Going over the yard 643.
Speaker 1:Ok, I didn't jump ahead, they jumped ahead. Oh yeah, whoops, Think you just ran the sheriff out. Are we hearing a gunshot?
Speaker 6:It's like a. I'll call a 3-5.
Speaker 5:Are we hearing a gunshot? Hmm?
Speaker 2:Looking to be reacting to it. Oh hell, you can disturb them.
Speaker 1:I'm going to jump ahead because we're just pursuing for a while. Good time to hit, it Can do it.
Speaker 2:I'm starting to push another. I got head on the car. Another car on Jolly Jolly is missing.
Speaker 1:Oh Lord, Four oxygen Five I think one's stuck in there right now. Yep, he's still in there.
Speaker 2:He's like I'm good.
Speaker 5:There's one, one white male, three black.
Speaker 1:You got one. All units responding. The advised suspect may still be armed. The advised suspect may still be armed. Use caution. You got one, oh, you got two.
Speaker 5:Oh, he's running.
Speaker 1:Go boy, go Go Kick it. I hope he made it. I hope he made it.
Speaker 2:So, guys, I will tell you and Banning you tell me. I hope he made it. I hope he made it, maybe if I stayed here long enough Guys.
Speaker 1:I will tell you and Banning you. Tell me if you got one. You got them all. They always rat, they always rat.
Speaker 2:You were in the backseat, dude. You were in the backseat. We don't want you.
Speaker 5:You were in the backseat.
Speaker 1:You weren't even a part of this man. You ain't him, you ain't about this car. You were trapped. We understand, Listen, peer pressure bro, we get it.
Speaker 2:We've been hearing about peer pressure our whole lives.
Speaker 1:Man, listen, I get it, I wouldn't even have been here, I've got to bounce.
Speaker 3:My Uber's about to pull up Hell. Yeah, brother. Thank you so much for watching. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 1:Later, brother, take it. Thank you so much for watching. We'll see you next time later, brother, we'll see you, take it easy. So in this, uh, I will say that's, you know, when you catch one, you got, you got them all. Yeah, you do, they're gonna, they're gonna rat, they always rat, on every single person there's no reason not to.
Speaker 2:You're not freaking, not spending the rest of your life hanging out with this kid yeah, and you, you play the compassion role.
Speaker 1:I will tell you right now, I would have been like listen, you stuck around, you knew not to run, even though he would have ran if that freaking airbag wasn't in his way.
Speaker 2:You knew wrong place, wrong time. Yeah, you know that guy up front. You see how reckless he was, I bet you. I bet you. None of the friends in that car wanted anything to do with this. He just took off. But you guys were all probably screaming don't do this right.
Speaker 1:You guys all were, I bet you yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I bet not a single one of them were. Uh, they, they were all under 18.
Speaker 2:Guarantee, yeah, 100 yeah, they don't care, yeah, so oh, it's fine, there can't be nothing ryan, let me christ thought that guy would never leave.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, that is funny. Look at Marine Blood. Still not a member. Still not a member. That's cool, marine Blood. You don't want to support us.
Speaker 2:That's cool man you don't have to wait for some of that alright, let me share the screen.
Speaker 1:share screen. I get it, man, you do it yourself. You don't have to wait for some of that. Yeah, all right, let me share the screen. Share screen. All right, listen to all of us. Two Cops, one Donut peoples. Make sure you jump on to Badge 502. How can they find you on YouTube, sir?
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Speaker 1:I guess All right, let's keep going here. We're sharing, let's biggie size A little drone shot. Yeah, this is interesting. Police activity doesn't usually start their stuff out like this, so let's see how it goes.
Speaker 5:Tell me on drone 911, where's your emergency? Can you send me a police car to Walmart in Hispania Because there's a reckless guy crashing my vehicle? Okay, did you guys crash in the parking lot or on the street? No, he crashed me twice on purpose In the parking lot or on the street. Yeah, on the street. No, he crushed me twice and the purpose and the parking lot on the street, yeah on the parking lot.
Speaker 5:I know his address. Okay, hold on a second. Hold on a second. What type of car are they in? He's in the toyota tacoma. Okay, why are you saying he purposely hit your vehicle because I got his kids in the car?
Speaker 1:because I slept with his girlfriend. That's what I was expecting. Oh, this took a twist, didn't it?
Speaker 2:so I've, so I've got his kids in the car, so he's smashing my vehicle I'm gonna guess it's baby mama let him take the kids.
Speaker 1:This is a guess. I don't know shit about this call baby mama drama. That's where I'm going with this, so let's keep wait, wait, wait. What marine blood say before we go, before we keep going? But don't you like the drinking game, eric?
Speaker 2:it would stop if I become a member right, but I can't even walk to my bedroom at this point, I know right, bro, like the drinking game needs to so who is this person?
Speaker 5:he's the dad. I'm the stepdad called it. We were dropping them off. We're five minutes late. He got mad and he crashed me. Nice and perfect, okay, but he hit you. He hit your car with his car, correct? Yeah, he's back into my car two times. He backed into my car two times. He basically totaled my car. So can you guys please send a cover?
Speaker 1:You're not a garage, john. What vehicle? The truck looks clean, yeah really, but he's not stopping or moving.
Speaker 5:Okay, now he is. I copy 18, eagle Shearing. He's on logic 414. Man.
Speaker 2:Eagle Healing. He's not watching, he's 14. Man, I don't see anything.
Speaker 1:Okay in this like these are the domestic shit serious.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to felony stop this car.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm going to felony stop this car. So for those listening, if you're not familiar with a felony stop, it's basically I'm going to come out, guns drawn and I'm loud hailing you, driver, roll down your windows. Driver, stick your hands out the window Now, with your left hand, take your keys, throw them outside the car Like we're doing all that. That's what we're going to do on a felony stop.
Speaker 2:Thank you, nina going to do on a felony stop um.
Speaker 1:Thank you, nina, I was just gonna say shout out to nina, she found your channel and subscribe. So hell yeah, crack me up. Hell yeah, that's what I like to hear. That yeah, he's a funny dude. He is a funny dude, let's keep going roll the windows down, stop stop I agree.
Speaker 1:I would not let this guy exit the vehicle unless I'm controlling every movement from here, because this person's not rational and what he's doing right now is not normal. So my spidey senses are off the charts, right now, I love that. Hey stay right there.
Speaker 6:One hand looks clear. Hey, stop where you are right now I'm not gonna lie where he's at.
Speaker 1:I may, I may bum rush him, but I'm, that's me, I'm confident in my grappling and stuff like that. He's, he's almost in. I'm gonna, you know, goldberg his ass. I'm gonna say this is confrontational at yeah this is confrontational yeah, uh. So I'm not a fan of that left hand right now, um, but I do like that I can see the right hand. What's country girl saying over here? Damn, you got me beat by far. I've only had three spinal surgeries, need at least three more four knee, and need a total what?
Speaker 6:is wrong with you? What?
Speaker 1:are you guys doing in your lives?
Speaker 3:You need all these crazy surgeries.
Speaker 1:I'm a cop and I've had none from police work. I probably need some, but I haven't had any, it's coming. Yeah, I know right.
Speaker 6:Hey, I don't want to tease you, sorry. One at teaser point. I'm cooperative.
Speaker 1:You're not listening and I'm having a felony. Stop you, I'm tasing you, I'm not giving you a whole lot. I'm going to give you one or two warnings, which they've already done, and he's still not listening. No, dump him you cannot afford to play the safety issue here. What do you?
Speaker 2:think no, 100%. This party already knew why he was being stopped. He pulled over immediately. He knew what was going on. He knows the story. This is the type of person that's going to pull over immediately or he's going to send you on a 20-mile drive. And he pulled over quick. So he knows what the situation is. He got out of the vehicle. He knows he's got him dead to rights. Now he's going to either try to explain it to him or God knows what, but he's also trying to control the situation and at this point you are no longer in control of that situation. Let the officer do what he's going to do, and you know what At worst, you're going to get a couple tickets. You're going to get a couple charges that are not going to end up being that serious when your lawyer drops them down. Just call it a day, bro. Cut your losses.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm not sure what Andy Fletcher is saying here. You'll get TERP Eric sooner or later. What is that? I don't know that one. I don't know that one. I'm assuming it's an acronym for something. You see, ward, what an acronym is. It's letters that represent several words. Just letting Ward know.
Speaker 2:I'm watching that little laser dance on his belly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2:About to take that ride. That's what I want to take, tased once at my gun range, just for the giggles.
Speaker 1:TCOD Usually congenital bullshit. Rough life. You are a country girl makes sense, all right.
Speaker 5:uh, let's keep going what are you waiting on?
Speaker 1:okay, too much so this guys you have heard me say this a million times on here when you hesitate, you end up creating a situation where a higher level of force is used because you didn't use it when you had the opportunity, because you were hoping to deescalate. This is where the deescalation bullshit goes out the window. Look at the totality of the circumstances. You've got a guy that hit another vehicle allegedly several times, with his own kids in the fucking car. It's not lethal Whether they were in his car or the other dude's car.
Speaker 1:He's not all right in the head and now he jumped out of a vehicle which is not normal behavior on a felony traffic stop while you're pointing guns and tasers at him and he continues to walk towards you and not put his hands up. Tase him Problem, just do it, because if you hesitate now, he's going to end up pulling something a knife, a gun or whatever and then you have to shoot him when you could have tased him and maybe moved in and saved a life.
Speaker 2:Agreed. A lot of departments don't even have tasers, so if you're able to utilize it, just utilize it, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know, don't let him get there oh. I pulled a gun.
Speaker 2:Now you got to shoot him. You pulled a gun.
Speaker 1:That's my cop. That looked like him shooting. It looked like he was shooting over there.
Speaker 6:Yep, he just shots, fired. Take a look up here in front of the car Gun-picking eastbound still shooting.
Speaker 5:Shot fired I copy shot fired Gun-picking eastbound starting county.
Speaker 6:Anyone copy what?
Speaker 1:the fuck was that Did?
Speaker 5:he throw the gun at him.
Speaker 2:It was a good throw.
Speaker 6:Get on the ground now. Beam bag, beam bag, beam bag. Get on the ground, he Beam bag. Beam bag, beam bag. Get on the ground, he ate it.
Speaker 1:Beam bag.
Speaker 6:You're pretty far, bro. Get on the fucking ground.
Speaker 2:That wasn't beam bag.
Speaker 1:How about that Good restraint by these officers? Think about it, guys. He just shot at them and they're not using deadly force. So I like to point out anything that's all bloodthirsty people Like look.
Speaker 5:These guys didn't know he was shooting a gun, absolutely hurled.
Speaker 6:That's a good throw. Good job, man. Can you just roll the windows down for me? Please Roll the windows down, Stop.
Speaker 2:Stop, let him jump out of your vehicle.
Speaker 6:Hey, stay right there, bro, stop Stop.
Speaker 1:And hear the way he's talking, as he's challenging this guy.
Speaker 2:He's being chill and calm yeah he was not being, he wasn't being overly, he wasn't being aggressive just just to. Let's get in the car. Just what are you doing?
Speaker 1:just get in the car um, I'm glad that ron jones brought this up. Do they get a bonus for saying shots fired? Um, no, we don't get a bonus for that. But what irritates me with officers is they get so so they try to get on that radio as fast as they can, and that is not the time to do it. Handle business. If you're in a shootout, screw the radio, unless you're by yourself. He's not. He's got three officers at least there dispatch knows where you are.
Speaker 2:You said it 75 times clear the air.
Speaker 1:Somebody will get that information out there when there's a lull, when they have the time. But that guy was actively being shot at and he still called out shots fired like fuck that handle business. Um, patriot owned business in the house he. He said hey brother, how you been, Eric, I've been well sir. Actually had him on my podcast probably our first year and just been a good relationship on our Facebook channels and stuff. Had a Patriot-owned business using their private group stuff and sharing each other's stuff when asked but doing well brother, let's see, let me keep going here.
Speaker 6:Hey, stop where you are right now. Hey, I don't want to tease you. When does he grab the gun? Wait, I don't know what I expect, don't move, don't move right now. I don't want to have to tease you, man, don't get back in the car.
Speaker 1:Don't get back in the car.
Speaker 6:This is great, now hey stop.
Speaker 1:He transitions over to his gun. Okay, we fired first.
Speaker 6:Self-charge, self-charge.
Speaker 2:What was that? I like that one-handed grip. It's good sit up. What was?
Speaker 6:that I like that one-handed grip. It's good for the camera.
Speaker 2:You're right. Yeah, it's very cinematic.
Speaker 1:I'm really broke. Get out from behind me. You're not doing anything over there.
Speaker 6:Hey, show me your eyes, no problem.
Speaker 1:You're trying to steal the walk oh okay, this was after the attack. Beautiful. You can see his hands.
Speaker 6:Are you injured? Hey, are you hit? Hey, boss, are you hit? All right, roll over.
Speaker 2:Good, good over.
Speaker 1:Good, good work, good work, and that is, I think. Did we show this one? Yet we showed that one. We're not watching an 18-minute video. We showed that one. Yeah, we're good, we watched all the videos that I pulled up.
Speaker 2:Thank you John.
Speaker 1:Except that 18-minute one.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that's not even the fact that he chucked his gun at him is I know that is everything about that funny?
Speaker 1:dude so um else throw your hammer, yeah, so I want to give guys, um, I want to give your page, especially in my page, some things to look forward to. We've talked about how we are creating DTV, the Donut Network, donut TV, whatever you want to call it. We have Anthony in mind and are hoping to create a show that highlights Anthony and all the shenanigans that go on in his head that you guys will be able to subscribe to. It's my only chance.
Speaker 5:Yeah, exactly, it's going to be him putting dressings on his feet and stuff like that in his head that you guys will be able to subscribe to, and it's my only friends yeah exactly it's going to be him putting dressings on his feet and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's 100% painting my toenails and stuff?
Speaker 1:yeah, exactly, but you're going to be instructed on how to properly wrap and stuff like that, as he's showing that stuff. So how to stop, how to stop weird bleeds and whatnot.
Speaker 2:All bleeding is weird until it stops right.
Speaker 1:But the good thing is everything stops bleeding. Yeah, but that is all we have for tonight, guys. I want to thank everybody that decided to throw memberships and buy some super chat stickers and all the cool things. Appreciate that. Steve Ladner, I hope you enjoy your 24-hour ban from talking in the chat. You ruined that for yourself, but I know you're watching. I know you're still watching. We know you're here, yeah.
Speaker 1:You'll start charging your rent. You'll get another opportunity, because I don't ban people. I don't, unless you're racist. If you're racist or you are calling for violence on somebody, then you'll get banned.
Speaker 2:I always say on my channel that I don't block discussion, I just block disgusting. There you go. You could use that. Yeah, I like it, just put a little TM next to it.
Speaker 1:Perry Lemley said I got thrown across an ambulance last year. I need my left side done.
Speaker 2:So you want me to throw you across the ambulance on your left side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you get thrown across on the opposite side, it'll even things out. You'll be good that is the universe working itself out.
Speaker 2:That is the universe working itself out. I don't make the rules, it's just how it goes. Welcome to homeostasis. It's either nothing hurts or everything hurts, yeah.
Speaker 1:I like it. So, kingslayer. Again, thank you, brother, for jumping on Appreciate you. You had great content tonight, great conversation, that was fun. It's fun to get people on here that aren't cops. I tell all cops, try not to have all cop friends. Have some people that are outside of law enforcement. It will keep you level. But Nina said Sergeant Levine, badge 502, cool, how about the bandage advice? Oh, love it, love it, do whatever you can to not make things worse.
Speaker 2:That's it Exactly.
Speaker 1:All right, guys, everybody have a good night. Thank you for listening and tune in next week, hopefully probably on Mondayay or tuesday night. We'll see which night works out. We'll try to get um make sure you guys check out the new episode with matt thornton. Um listen to that, share that and uh, I got nothing else. Guys have a good night have a good night y'all.
Speaker 2:Don't forget to tell somebody that you love them oh, I like that.
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