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Two Cops One Donut
Policing in the Modern Age: Between Constitutional Rights and Real-World Challenges
What happens when a retired officer with 23 years of experience pulls back the curtain on modern policing? Copville joins us for an unflinching conversation about the realities of law enforcement today, drawing from his extensive career spanning narcotics, SWAT, and real-time crime center operations.
The conversation quickly moves beyond surface-level police talk as Copville shares his journey from a small Florida police department to navigating the complex political landscape of larger agencies. His candid assessment of police leadership resonates deeply: "Once you reach a certain level, you get so disconnected from what's actually going on in the street." This disconnect, he argues, leads to policies created by those who haven't worked patrol in decades yet make life-or-death decisions affecting officers and citizens alike.
We dive into technological advancements changing modern policing, particularly real-time crime centers that provide critical information to officers in the field. Yet Copville reminds us that technology alone can't solve the fundamental challenges facing law enforcement. When discussing controversial body camera footage, he offers nuanced analysis that neither blindly defends nor broadly condemns officer actions, instead asking: "If you can't handle a First Amendment auditor with a phone, how are you going to handle a real stressful situation?"
Perhaps most compelling is Copville's philosophy on the officer's oath: "I worked for the people, not the job, not a building, not an administration." This perspective challenges officers to remember their fundamental responsibility to protect constitutional rights, even when facing institutional pressures. Whether discussing the problems with "tick-tock cops" seeking social media fame or the critical need for better leadership training, Copville's insights offer a rare glimpse into policing from someone who's lived it from multiple angles.
Follow Copville on Instagram @copville_og and check out his podcast dropping every Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts for more unfiltered perspectives on law enforcement.
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going now, just waiting for Alan to do his thing. I'll do it. Disclaimer. Welcome to two cops one donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of two cops one donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guests opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language Viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its hosts do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I'm your host, eric Levine. I got with me my co-host, banning Sweatland, and our special guest tonight is the one and only copville. What's up, brother?
Speaker 2:how's it going, man? Thanks for having me, guys not a problem, sir.
Speaker 1:Uh. So, um, behind the scenes, alan is doing his thing and he he got a little little premature. He got excited he had even fucking started that show 20 seconds early. He's like you know what we're going now? Off we go Before we get started. I like to make the first 10, 20 minutes about our guest. So we have Copville here, who is a now retired police officer. Give a little background, sir. Tell people who you are.
Speaker 2:I'm a moron that just chose to be a cop. For about 23 years I started at a small police department on the East coast of Florida, vera beach, and then I graduated to the uh anywhere County sheriff's office where I spent 20 years. I got into narcotics very young in my career, spent about six and a half years worked wiretaps, uh DA task force, went into regular detective, kind of got into the training stuff late in my career and become an FTO till I was about 12, 13 years. In had this wild idea that when I was 42, I was going to try for SWAT and made it, went on to be a street crime sergeant supervisor US Marshals Task Force and left as a RTCC detective in September of last year.
Speaker 1:Nice, okay, so we have a lot in common when it comes to the real-time crime center area. I'm actually a board member for the National Real-Time Crime Center Association, and I start my new position as a sergeant in our real-time crime center this Monday.
Speaker 2:That's one of the most underused and key pieces of law enforcement that every agency should have.
Speaker 1:So what's really interesting about my department that's different than most underused and key pieces of law enforcement that every agency should have. So what's really interesting about my department that's different than most is we started as an all sworn, 24 seven um manned real time crime center and we are currently still under that, um, that style, and there's, there's I think Mesa is probably the only one that I know of currently that is still all sworn and that's how they operate. They're just not 24-7, but it's highly successful.
Speaker 2:That's a great, great thing and, like I said, in Florida, we're a couple years into them now and I think Orlando PD is one of the most staffed. I think they're running like 8 am to 3 am, Okay, and there are three sworn and then civilians and then ours was. I was the only sworn, but Flagler County has a good one which is up by Daytona and it's all over the state.
Speaker 1:Mickey North runs that shit up there.
Speaker 2:Got a dog I don't remember when I went, they have a dog that walks around Yep, yep.
Speaker 1:We have one more of our people that are supposed to be joining here sooner or later. We'll see when he jumps on trey. He's got a. He's got a very young kiddo, um, like I don't even think a year old. So he got help in traffic. Yeah, oh, did he? Yeah, okay, cool. I'm going over to the chat now and just seeing what everybody's up to. We got david edmonston in the house Just giving shout-outs to our regulars. Was waiting 32 updates. Youtube what's next? Love it? Constitutional country girl Tim. I want to give a shout-out to Tim. Tim was helping Allen all day today. They were trying to get us up and running live on Instagram and TikTok simultaneously, so I don't know if it worked. We'll see. Have you run into that on doing your stuff? Have you tried going live on YouTube?
Speaker 2:Facebook Me Connecting this time to YouTube is my first live. I used to go live on my big account on Copville when it was massive. I would go live a lot. I'm on my seventh episode coming out tomorrow on my podcast, so I haven't done any live stuff so this is the first one give a shout out to country girl.
Speaker 1:She just gave out 10 memberships. Thank you very much, um, looking down the list, everybody knows the drinking game. If, uh, marine blood did not get a, we have this guy. He's been a part of the show since we pretty much got started doing the live streams. People will give these memberships just about every show. He's never gotten one, so it's. It's become such a running gag that now it's a drinking game that every time Marine blood doesn't get an account, everybody's got a drink.
Speaker 1:So I got my Coke zero, coke zero. Now, when I do drink, I don't know where you're. You're South Southern guy, I'm Northern, I'm from Michigan originally, so I said pop.
Speaker 2:I'm from Jersey, dude oh you're from Jersey. Oh, you guys said pop. No, I didn't say pop I said you didn't say pop oh not sure.
Speaker 1:over there Michigan's kind of they call it Midwest, but I think that's stupid because we're East of the Mississippi. Alan, I don't know what you got going on in the background there on there bud, but you are, I'm I'm about to kill it.
Speaker 4:I just was saying my crap broke right when I pressed start the stream, so oh, I got you.
Speaker 1:Well, you're not um, you're firing it up now I'm gonna try yeah okay, cool, back in a minute sounds good. Harrison brock's trying to throw out some uh, some memberships as well. Thank you, sir. Uh, I'm looking down the list to everybody that got one. And guess who did not get one again. Thank you very much.
Speaker 6:And real quick to Harrison. I get a ton of messages on LinkedIn. I know you sent me one. I'm going down the list, brother. I get to them one by one. I will get to you.
Speaker 1:Cottville, I'm sure you can empathize with this. We have 100 hundred thousand plus people. We get messages constantly time job. It is a full-time job you know you.
Speaker 2:You know his joke. Your wife gets on you for having your phone in your hand, all that stuff. Then you don't you realize you really didn't need it in your hand. Yeah, so you get over even now, but almost back to 30 000 it's. I put my phone down and so what?
Speaker 1:okay, first off, why did you start copville? What was the point behind it?
Speaker 2:so I went through a nasty ia back in um, I always get it wrong. My wife gets mad 2022, 2023, what year is it 2023, may 23 or that year 23? At the beginning, I went through a nasty, I got demoted and I was. It was a political hack hunt and I cover that on multiple podcasts. I'm not gonna bore you with it, no worries. But um, as like a Get back, I started making memes about my own agency as a joke and back then it was um. One of the pages I follow was ten, eight memes. He kind of disappeared. He was one of the first big meme pages and I started sending them to him and he's like bro, these are pretty good, you just started mean page.
Speaker 2:No dude, I don't know what that is. And then one day I was like fuck it. I started and I was like Hoodville is I don't know if you follow Hoodville or see Hoodville memes. He's like on, he's a popular nine million, he's all like funny hood memes. I was like, well, hoodville started, I started posting them and I caught fucking hell. But I went from zero to twelve thousand in like two months and just no shit. And then it went crazy and I ended up peaking at under two years before I lost my account. In february I was at 135 000 in about 20 months. You lost. So how did that happen?
Speaker 2:So they hate, obviously the Instagram, hates Republicans, hate cops, hate anything to do with the government, and you know the AI stuff they use to fucking track. The stuff is garbage. So anything to do with a gun? Well, first of all, I went after the TikTok cops and I think they mass report everything and I was friends with the anti-TikTok guys. So those people, what are they on? 6.0 now? Yeah. And then the other thing was anything like I posted a jerry worms cops episode, literally a cops episode like 20 second clip flagged for government political views and violence and all this garbage.
Speaker 2:And I'm like what? So it started adding up and then, right about two weeks before I lost it, I got hit, hit with all the red dots. I had everything. I was banned from live for a year. I was banned from being seen for a long time and then I woke up the morning of February 27th and my business partner at the time texted me. He's like are you alive? I'm like, yeah, why? He's like the page is gone. I'm like you've got to be shitting me. Oh, no, and I've been banned before. But I just appeal it and it comes right back. Yeah, it didn't work. I appealed it and I can log in and when I log in, it says you know, your appeal has been taken. We'll be in touch in a few business days. I even went as far as a blue check mark my podcast account and my regular account yeah, Chat feature.
Speaker 1:And I've chatted twice, two hours with help begging and they don't. They don't want to do anything about it, so I kind of consider it gone at this point, gotcha. Um, so one of our followers, harrison brock he he actually made this photo sent it to us and I was he goes. You should share the photo. So that's what he's talking about in the chat. Um, this is a recent video. Uh, for those that don't get the joke, what one? There's a cop that lost his absolute mind from an acorn, which I think everybody gets that part. But I posted a video recently. I have no idea what agency it is.
Speaker 2:Waterbury, connecticut. Westbury Waters, something W Something, bury Connecticut.
Speaker 1:Okay yeah, when the video got to us it had been Jesus. It had already been redone so many different times I didn't get a chance to see, but I thought that was clever. Actually, I think I have the video pulled up. We can jump to that one. Let me see here, not that one. What's that Good meme material? Oh for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've already dumped three of them out and they've all done really well.
Speaker 1:Let me share this one For those that aren't familiar with this video. Let me share what the inside joke is here, so I'll give you a little back story. Apparently it's a burglar alarm of a home residential home and they're out clearing the house. So I'll just go from here Alarm.
Speaker 2:Alarm.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go in there is always right. Holy shit. Um. So I listen. I have been known to give cops a rough time when I think that it's a clear training issue. This was obviously a training issue. That's multi-layered issues there. Yeah, how are you that spun up? Here's another thing I turn lights on. I don't know about everybody else, I'm a light guy. I'm like, why am I trying to use my flashlight? I'm a light guy. That's another. Why am I trying to?
Speaker 2:use my flashlight. I'm a light guy. That's another issue. She's using her gun light as a primary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so for you like, how would you? When we're going into it? You know I like this to be educational for everybody. So we get a house alarm. How do you typically handle a house alarm?
Speaker 2:I know it's been a while since you've swaddled it. I mean I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. I don't know their tactics. If it's not pressing, we developed from Orange County Sheriff's Office a CQB procedure where that would, I guess, would be pressing. It's an active burlier arm so it would be two-man minimum. We try to go three at minimum. But I mean you can tell there's no real semblance of order, even in the mail officer that they're not close. There's a big disconnect of how close they are. They should be staying close. They're breaching doors together. There's all kinds of stuff that should be going on. He's been in a staircase, she's way behind him. So you know I don't clearing the house the way it is dark, fine, but again, I wouldn't use my gun light. I Again I wouldn't use my gun light. I always carried the light on my shoulder here, a cloud defense light and then I had a gun light and the gun light was for identifying when I was getting ready to pull the trigger. This light is an admin light that I'm going to use to shine at the mirror and look around corners and stuff like that. So nothing wrong with clearing it that way.
Speaker 2:But there's a multitude of issues that I personally don't think she can be. I don't think she can be a cop anymore. You, the first thing that comes to my head is target identification. How can you ever testify she ever shoots anybody going forward? How can they say she has any idea what is she shooting at? Because she shot it herself, right, I mean, how do you? You didn't identify that target as you, so I don't know how you go for it. I don't. I don't feel bad for her. I mean I do. I don't. I'm a hater, but how do you come back from that?
Speaker 1:Like yeah, I mean Banning, what do you got buddy the whole video froze on me.
Speaker 6:Uh, and you guys yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll give you the rundown. She's clearing, she starts to walk back downstairs and she clears to her left as her partner is going right. She sees a mirror and shoots. The mirror Shoots herself.
Speaker 6:All I get on that is target identification.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the first thing. I went to my wife's a big firearms instructor and teaches all that stuff and you have to pull the trigger at a target. We don't do suppressive fire in the police world, so there's no like laying some rounds down range to get a, you know, head start even even in the marine corps back in the 90s or 2000s.
Speaker 6:I mean it's targeted identification all day long. Yeah, we were supposed to be jar heads on the front line. You know, shooting that moves, I mean it's always targeted identification.
Speaker 1:I love our comment section freeman keys, show me a sergeant next month.
Speaker 2:The comments were. I posted it. So I got. I think I got it. I'm not I'm saying I think I got real early. I got a dm from a guy. I said, dude, you're not gonna believe this. And uh, I said, can I share it? He said, fuck it, somebody sent it to me and I put it up immediately, not even a meme. I'm just let me this thing out there. Yeah wild. And then I went on my other page and made a joke meme about it and then I posted two today with female mirror.
Speaker 1:I want to help you get back to your glory days, which I think we'll get you there soon enough. But let me, I'm going to share Cottville's page so you guys can see his new page. What's that?
Speaker 2:It's the two memes. You got the female pointing a gun in the mirror and then you got the mirror with his hands up. Yep, and that video right next to it. Yeah, copville at copville og is my main page. And then I have the uh, yeah, and you've also got.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's me. You don't want to see me. That's not what I'm trying to find where is the?
Speaker 8:other one.
Speaker 1:I had both popped up here. Um, give me a sec, I'm gonna find it. That's not what I'm trying to find. Where is the other one? I had both popped up here. Give me a sec.
Speaker 2:I'm going to find it. That's it. Yeah, that's my podcast page. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So let's get those numbers up. Guys, everybody in the audience. If you're looking, go there, give them a follow. If it's for you, obviously. If it's not your style, don't follow. You'll fit everybody. But yeah, um, you guys know me, I, I, I'm, I'm a part of everybody's cool shit. And uh, cotville puts out legit stuff. Cop, cotville gives me shit when I fuck up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we man, I still like the background I was uh what's that somebody's saying about the background? That was my idea was a jail cell oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, shotgun the tattoo.
Speaker 1:She's been with us for a while I bought I was on amazon, I'm like what.
Speaker 2:So I google. All I did was google like jail background drawing, it's like a j it's like the thing you'll go to jc pennies and get some cheesy pictures taken with that at, uh, you know, with your family. So I just, and then I'd put, install the lights. The lights, I think, gives it that little purple tint.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool yeah, I like it, yeah, I've. Uh, mine's much simpler than that. I mean, we're trying to get banning on board. Banning needs a banning needs a lot of things. Banning needs a new camera. Banning needs a mic. You learn, you learn quick what you need, yeah, so, um, all right, let's, uh, let's, get more into copville. So, sir, what is coming down the line? You got your podcast. Now what can people expect from your podcast?
Speaker 2:so what I'm trying to do is it'd be a little different. There's a lot of pod I'm not knocking it but there's a lot of podcasts where it's a lot of just law enforcement. Talk, tell me about your calls you've been on. You know the standard question. I'm trying to be a little different. Since I started I've had two guys that worked with me but one of them was shot in the line of duty. Who has a lot of? I brought in a fifth degree black or sixth degree black belt BJJ instructor that trained under Carlson Gracie that teaches law enforcement. I had Dominic Izzo coming out tomorrow Controversial dude.
Speaker 2:I had a deputy chief that got shit canned from his agency, second in charge and gets ran out of an agency and has like a monster story about corruption within the agency. So I'm trying to bring a little bit different and I'm going to actually start getting into bringing the other side in. I have a former federal inmate that's going to be coming up, that did nine years in the feds, and then I have another guy that's going to probably blow the roof off everything that I actually was involved in many of his investigations and he was sentenced to like 20 years 25 years in federal prison. Biden commuted him, he got out, he started his own show. Prison biden commuted him, he got out, he started his own show.
Speaker 2:And, uh, we have been in the early talks of some massive like what he was doing and what we were doing and how it kind of coincides their version of counter surveillance, our version of surveillance, and so I'm trying to be a little bit different than just your standard. You know, talk about calls and it's important. It's important to talk about that. But yeah, bringing some you know guys have been to prison bringing some guys that can shed some, yes, mind aspect on and that. That that is the benefit I have.
Speaker 2:Obviously you can't have a federal prisoner in your studio, um, wouldn't look good. So for me, being not on the job anymore, I have a little bit more leeway. And then counterculture is the that we talked earlier is the group of guys where we're trying to. You know, with Antihero and Tyler and Reagan from Conduct Unbecoming, justin from Donut Shop, kenny Red, ninja, guerrilla Warfare Tactics, we're kind of coming in. We're kind of putting that together as a counterculture, like a different view of law enforcement, where it's not just always said politically correct, it's said how we believe it should be said. So that's what's right.
Speaker 1:I like it. Yeah, that's um. Obviously we have to be a little more measured, but we've had, you know, I've had a guy that was wrongly convicted of homicide, had another guy that was wrongly convicted um, just in the crime and punishment phase that they gave him in generally did 26 years of a 52 year sentence before he finally got umated. We try to have both sides of the house. Yeah, we do the same thing. You see the reels and shorts that we'll put out quite a bit trying to call out, you know, if a cop is bad but we also like to highlight when they do good.
Speaker 2:So I just stayed away. I'm getting to that. I stayed away from it Cause here's one of my pet peeves with the meme pages the guys that hide behind the name. And I'm not knocking it if you decide to be anonymous, but don't spew your opinion and your take on things. You should have to qualify your background into the shootings.
Speaker 2:I never got into the breakdowns because I didn't feel, as a hidden page like I could be, anybody want behind that page. I could be not even a cop, but I could make some cop memes and say, hey, I got this take, I got that take. So I went into it in the comedy area of let's break, let's make some people laugh, let's bring it down a little bit, let's be funny. And now that I'm out and I do have a resume that I'm, I can share and I don't think I'm a moron, I'm not. I never claim to be greatest cop ever, but I've done some things. So now like kind of walking that, but I, you know, I want to keep it more like in an entertainment facet versus just, you know, constantly law enforcement stuff yeah, no, I get it, I get it for sure and it's, it's.
Speaker 1:It is a delicate balance because, like, when I make, like I fuck up, like it happens, yeah, you do, yeah, and like, and I'm like, oh, fuck, like I, you know, with the one that me and cotville were talking about and, um, actually I'll just pull it up because I shared, I actually shared it on the last live stream talking about how bad I fucked up well, you own it though. That's the difference well, yeah, yeah and that's you know.
Speaker 6:There's so many guys out there. Once they put their opinion out online, they'll die. Many times they've been proven.
Speaker 2:That's your CQB, your CQB firearms guys. They just stand there. Their way is the only fucking way, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, I am. Give me one second y'all. I'm pulling it up right now and we are on my page. And what one was that one? It was not that. God. I do post a lot of shit, don't I?
Speaker 2:It's been about two weeks right Week and a half.
Speaker 1:Has it been that long? Yeah, cause I talked about it. Oh, here here. No, last week. Yeah, I found it. Okay. I talked to her last week. Yeah, I found it. Okay, I'm going to share screen, share screen, biggie Spice. Oh, I can't Unmute, it was this one. I fucked Accidentally used this for Pew Pew instead of using a taser.
Speaker 2:There's my comment.
Speaker 10:Oh shit, yeah, oh shit, I caught it.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, Now watch what this idiot says. I don't know the whole background of this story, but I do know it was for a felony and that this guy was resisting arrest. That's why they were wrestling around on the ground. I want to give quick props to that officer that did the takedown. It was a legit takedown, Good technique. You're typically pretty happy when officers decide to go hands-on versus going to the batman belt if the situation dictates that possibility, okay, we'll pause it from there, because that's the worst one.
Speaker 6:Those comments is right there, yeah mine's the top one right there, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I had pinned it for a while because I again, I like to be transparent. So I was like, well, fuck, he's right, let me pin this to the top so everybody knows.
Speaker 2:I forgot to mention Tone Alert, another great group of guys. They're yelling at me in the comments.
Speaker 1:Oh are they.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're good dudes.
Speaker 1:Tone Alert out of Las Vegas. There they are. We'll give them a shout out. Tone Alert podcast. What's up guys? Thanks for joining the vegas show. I'm not gonna mention them, okay. Well, all right, go away, fuck y'all. Oh, too funny, um. But yeah, uh, I, I screwed up on that one, I, and it's one of those things I I edited. This is not an excuse, although it sounds like an excuse. I edited that one from my phone and when I watched it, I watched that thing and so I put it in slow motion for myself and watch. I'm like God damn, that's a good take. That was quick, but uh, and then afterwards you're like it's not even the right.
Speaker 1:The fucking cop got taken out. I'm like what? No, let me go back and look at this shit. I'm watching. I'm like.
Speaker 2:I'm on the and I'll be honest with you, I'm on the Fenton. Now I get your argument that she shot her gun on accident, but the result was actually I don't know. The result was wrong because if you know, you take, if you take her taser, taser out of it, if your partner's getting curb stomped like that and you run up, you have a right to shoot that guy. Oh, correct argument about it was an accident. That's obviously like the mirror. That's a problem. Yeah, her action. I don't know that. It was a was justified.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it ended up being justified in court. So I'm with you and that's the. And that was my bad. I had a shitty articulation and I watched it again. I'm like, okay, yeah, he's right. I see what it looks like. I'm saying that's not what I meant, but you can't control it once it's out there.
Speaker 2:You have already said what you want and I'll give you, I'll give you props. You could have just deleted it and act like it didn't happen, but you engaged with all the comments and you did own that.
Speaker 1:You were wrong about massively fucked up. It happens, man, I'm a fucking human, I'm wrong, all the time?
Speaker 1:yep, it fucking happens. Uh, people in the comments, eric only screws up when he's been drinking, that's not true? Uh, I screw up a lot, so is what it is. Uh, oh god, my mom's in the comments. And, oh boy, people are shell. Eric won't help. Don't talk to my mom. I've never seen one of one episode of my stuff. Oh, my mom, she has not missed a single one. I got my. My mom supports the shit out of me. I could be up here just talking out of my ass and she would ask my baby, because it could be good or bad. Good or bad, she don't care, she will support me, but she'll call me an ass.
Speaker 2:Well, that's good.
Speaker 1:She'll be like you know that's wrong. I love that you're out here doing something, but you're a dumbass. She'll tell me for sure. But, okay, where are we at? We're? Uh, how deep in are? We're? 25 minutes in. Um, we have a lot of videos, uh, tonight, guys. So, uh, I want to jump into that. I want to go to we really haven't gone to the comments and we haven't had a discussion topic today. Um, is what it is. So, first and foremost, I want to go with, uh, our boyiel carr from police law news. Um, he put out a good video today, so I want to share this one and we will watch it together. Um, share, boom. Okay, I want you guys and again, I apologize because it is on instagram so I can't make it full screen, but oh, I guess we need volume.
Speaker 3:Those guys got a warrant.
Speaker 1:Sounds like the cops are going to let him go. I'm sorry, man.
Speaker 9:Thank you, man. Yeah, be safe, I appreciate you, man. I appreciate you. If you need anything at all, yeah, you know how to.
Speaker 1:So now we got a different scene, 20 minutes. I'm going to pause it, so I've already got the benefit of watching. Have you seen this one yet, copville? No, I've watched. Have you seen this one yet? Copville? No. Bannon, did you see this one? He's a little choppy All of a sudden. Steve has made me five shots down already. We have a troll His name's Steve. Steve, I don't boot people. Copville, I don't know if you know this. I, I'm a. I'm a free speech type of guy, as long as you're not inciting racism or violence.
Speaker 2:I think I only have 30. I checked yesterday.
Speaker 1:I had 13 people blocked on my out of almost 30 000 followers. Yeah, just morons that don't have a place. But anybody else can say whatever we want. Yeah, so I, um, I let him stay on here, because he's really. He just says the same thing over and over. It's fine, as long as he's not messing with people, um, but uh, I have not watched this. Uh, oh, trey is finally, finally on. Let's get him up here. Boom. What up, trey?
Speaker 10:what's the deal, man? What's the deal?
Speaker 1:he's over there represent. What is that? 210 or 510?
Speaker 10:that's 210 man 210 210.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, you're. For whatever reason you're mirrored, let me fix you. You, um, how do I fix it? I can't, okay, I tried, um, oh no, eric's dodging the biggie size phrase. I, I can't say biggie size. It doesn't change sizes on here, guys. So, um, anyway, let's keep going. So this is another scene. This is the same dude. They let him go, had a warrant, so the officers did him a solid, didn't take him in on his warrant. So kudos to the cops for bigger picture sight.
Speaker 9:You've been here longer than I have.
Speaker 10:I understand we need to do something, john, I know Okay.
Speaker 9:Because if you don't, then you need to turn around for me, huh.
Speaker 1:Okay. So they're telling him he's under arrest. He needs to turn around, put his hands behind his back. They have a warrant. Basically, I think they're tired of coming out here and having to deal with him, so they're going to make good on the warrant Banny you got anything else on that.
Speaker 6:No, I don't have a problem with them doing that. I mean, it looks like he's tying up a lot of resources right now yeah.
Speaker 1:And a lot of times cops and some of them won't admit it. We use the ambulance system because we are trying to avoid taking a person to jail. It's a waste of time. They're going to go to jail. They're going to get let out within less time than it takes me to get the report done. So that could be what's going on here. Let's keep watching.
Speaker 9:You have the warrant and they want you I want the warrant. Yes, that's mine.
Speaker 4:Turn around.
Speaker 3:Face her, her, look at her. Can I spin around?
Speaker 10:Yes, go ahead and spin around.
Speaker 9:Go ahead and spin around 1636.
Speaker 3:Two times. Spin around John Three times. Just make it easy for us. Ok, just turn around.
Speaker 9:Look at her.
Speaker 1:Four times.
Speaker 9:Can you follow us 1630 to 1636. Since you're the newest one, that's Mike. I'm sorry, I just I got a good reflection, I see.
Speaker 4:Come on, yeah face her.
Speaker 9:Five times Six.
Speaker 1:Seven. Let me see you have.
Speaker 8:Oh wait, hold on, Sir, hold on.
Speaker 9:We all in this together, all right, man, will you get this one? Hold on. Oh wait, hold on, sir. Hold on. We all in this together, all right, hold on. I don't listen. I'm sorry. I might get hurt, sir, we're not going to hurt, you Turn around and put your hands up.
Speaker 3:Come on, man, there you go, john wait.
Speaker 1:Got that itis.
Speaker 3:Stand up, stand up I got you.
Speaker 2:Ah, shit, I just.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm trying no 1636. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, my legs no 1636. I got him. I'm sorry, sir, turn around no 1636. Pull the ice. I'm sorry, do it do it? Sorry, sir, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around. I'm sorry, do it Do it Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry Sorry, right there. Give me this arm. John, give me this arm.
Speaker 1:Give me the arm. John, still don't have his arm. Hold that hold that.
Speaker 3:1636. There you go. He grabbed my fucking thigh. He grabbed my fucking thigh and I'm pushing the fence. There you go. Give me your arm. 1636. Give me your arm. I got it, alright, alright. 1636. Slippers I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I got this one. I Drop stone, drop stone. 1636. Give me your arm. I'm about to die. He's not feeling anything. Dude, I'm gonna give him another strike. Give me another strike. No, give me your arm. 1636. Give us, oh shit, give me your arm. I'm good. Give me your arm. 1636.
Speaker 9:We're good John.
Speaker 3:Give us your god damn arm, hold up your hand. 1636, we good, we good 1636,. We good, I got his arm behind me. Somebody grab it, sorry, no, no, no, I'm glad you grabbed it. Help, 1636.
Speaker 9:I'm grabbing it, I'm on it.
Speaker 3:He's holding onto it. He's all known to me. He's all known to me. I'm on his arm. Come on, man, give me his hand.
Speaker 9:I'm on his arm.
Speaker 3:Let's do that. Sorry bro, I'm sorry bro. You do have that warrant, though, so whenever you get on the horse, that's the beginning of it, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yep, oh my God, oh my God, Okay, rookie Late boy. What's the deal? Man Always fucking late.
Speaker 10:Always late. You know how it is. You know how it is.
Speaker 1:Traffic. Son of a bitch, you probably late for roll call every day. Not every day so Trey, this is Copville, copville this is Trey, trey is our three-year rookie out of California. How's it going?
Speaker 10:Solid bro, solid, he's a rookie.
Speaker 1:He's a rookie, I agree.
Speaker 2:I agree. Three years, three years, ooh man, five years is when you can start calling yourself a cop Right.
Speaker 4:I agree, I'll take that. I'll take that.
Speaker 1:All right, rookie, tell us how you would have handled this call.
Speaker 10:I probably would have just put hands on a lot quicker, like you always want to give people a chance to give up on their own and go with the program, but I don't know all that back and forth so many times. That shit is unnecessary. And then I also I don't think. I mean I'm not really a big fan of drive stun, but if you're going to taste, just do it from a distance, I feel like, or do it with the prong still in. But um, also I'm not opposed to punching someone in that situation, or I wouldn't say punching, but striking someone.
Speaker 10:Hell yeah, it's a better better way of saying it, but better, better ways. But yeah, I would. I would say do that, because you're gonna taste something. They stunned them like what?
Speaker 1:four times, three times, like a shitload, yeah, people would say that's that's a four.
Speaker 10:Like people could definitely argue that, rather than like one punch or one strike to the face or to the stomach, or a knee to the stomach let me clarify, let me make sure I'm gonna get some clarification.
Speaker 1:Are you telling me that when you try to de-escalate too much, you end up using you end up using more force later?
Speaker 10:yes, absolutely, hell yeah, because then if you were to handle business up front, yeah, if you give people too much confidence, then you end up losing using more force at the end of it. So once you know they're not going with the program.
Speaker 10:Like once you know that, okay, this dude. So once you know they're not going with the program Like once you know that, okay, this dude is, his mind is made up, he's not going with the program Then I don't know. To me you got to go hands on right away. There's no more like, oh, can you, can you do this, can you do this, bro, between a magazine and a clip.
Speaker 1:Oh, here you go. You messed up, that you messed up that one you said that shit on a live stream one night. Oh shit, I blame the youth and the rap music. You have to talk eric's language. Star wars trey is a wookiee. Oh shit, that was for my mom. That was a good one. I give her credit.
Speaker 10:Dang moms is on me. That's true, it ain't even normally that funny.
Speaker 1:That was a good one, mom. I give you credit on that one. Not bad, that's a good dad joke right there.
Speaker 10:That's cold, mom, that's cold.
Speaker 1:So all right, to let our guests go on this one. What do you think, man?
Speaker 2:I'm not a fan of the drive stone either. The point of the taser is to incapacitate, to then move in while they're under power and then gain an advantage. So I'm a zero fan of drives and I'm not saying it could never be applicable, but the punch and the drive center pretty much the same thing. They're pain right. You have quite a few officers there. That's where some basic side control ground control, peeling arms back, coordinating. There were seven guys working in seven different directions, or however many different guys were there. I don't know how many there were, but that was multiple cops working as individuals instead of working as a team.
Speaker 1:That was the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:I saw Multiple commands coming from multiple people. I understand the stress kicks in. You know, in swat we train that the one guy gives commands and we're pretty well trained in that. But that's a bunch of independent contractors all working separately and a simple training jiu jitsu training, ground training would to me eliminate what we just saw or at least speed up the process, because he really wasn't again. That guy was not wanting to get, he wasn't fighting.
Speaker 1:He was resisting yeah he was.
Speaker 2:just. Imagine if he was. He's a big dude. Imagine if he decided to start throwing punches and stand up and start kicking and all that. That would have been a disaster, like a disaster.
Speaker 10:Y'all got it too. Y'all got it too. That's racist to say that that's racist.
Speaker 1:You can't say that mr b is on a fucking roll tonight. He did not like being silenced. I accident, okay, cop bill. I accidentally one of our like top contributors. I accidentally banned him trying to block another dude. Uh, it's the Steve guy that I was talking about. I was trying to put Steve on a timeout. I accidentally put Mr Billfold on a timeout like a 24.
Speaker 10:Yeah, and now he's lit up what were you going to say man, hey, kyle, what state you in bro?
Speaker 2:Florida. Oh, okay, okay, I went to Orlando on the beach, just like an hour north of West Palm.
Speaker 10:Yeah, he said that earlier. Oh, okay, okay, I would have had Orlando on the beach, just like an hour north of West Palm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said that earlier. Yeah, you were late. Yeah, I was. I had my whole resume off. I told everybody how great I was and this whole thing, man.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, we're taking 10% out of that check next week. Disrespectful, yeah, no, all I was going to say. Eric is 21 years, car carried the taser since the end of 2003. Uh, never tasered anybody. I just I prefer to to use body mechanics and take some somebody into custody and yeah, but cotville, do you know how big this fucking gingerbeard?
Speaker 2:giant is easy when you're three bills right he's talking about the guys that just laid down scared and didn't want you know he, he walked in, he is de-escalation like yeah, right, yeah rumor has it that a, a, a fighting bull got loose in north texas and they called banning to put it.
Speaker 1:Put it back in its cage down and yeah yeah it was my cousin.
Speaker 2:I just don't get back in there yeah, sometimes somebody wants to fight the big guy, so I'm sure he's had oh, that's let me tell you yeah yeah, did you ever watch the movie dodgeball?
Speaker 1:yeah, okay, do you remember when the uh ben stiller the picture of him taking the bulls by the horn? Oh yeah, that was actually a real life story about banning and patrol. So just so you guys know. Um, now, what I will add to the conversation is drive stuns. As far in my career, anytime it has been used a dry stun, it always makes the suspect flop around and then what ends up happening is the people that are trying to hold on to them take that for more resistance and then they end up getting worked even more. I hate drive stun.
Speaker 2:I do not like it at all, and then today, I don't know if you guys know what the trial started up in. Uh, where was that michigan? Yeah for sure the guy lost his taser. So that's another thing. Drive stun is going to cause that person to flail and move. Then they knock the taser out of here and then they grab it and then we kill them. Yeah, I'm on the fence about that one too. I mean, that was a tough situation that kid's in. I got a message from one of his partners today to share the story. The trial started and I hate to see that from everybody's standpoint in that one. That's an unfortunate incident, but if that would have happened, that guy gets a hold of a taser in that situation you may hear gunshots after that and and it all goes back to they had the numbers, they had the, they had them pinned in. He wasn't actually fighting, he was just resisting. So that's a tough one yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't have that video pulled up, but, uh, let's go. Um. So yeah, that was uh just going to the the audience on this one just seeing what everybody's saying. They don't seem to care. They're having more fun with Mr Bill Folden talking about everything.
Speaker 10:That's a good question.
Speaker 1:Do you all recommend taser or OC spray? I will use a taser a lot more than I will use OC, but I carry my OC. I know a lot of cops don't. So for me personally I like it, but I'm the only one using it. I don't want anybody I don't trust any of you fuckers to use it. So that's me. I never use it once, Never, Never sprayed anybody. I've never used my baton but I have used pepper spray. I use my baton.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not going to say why I use my bat I can't, I can't. Well, I'm retired. It went in some people's mouths that were even cracked early in my career, oh shit they can't chew the crack if the asp is in their mouth. God damn, I never. We were getting away with that in florida back in like 2003. Four, five, six we were, we were good with that damn well.
Speaker 2:It talks about the culture of policing and how it's changed, and we actually went to the judges and we're like, hey, we're choking people with crack in their mouth to get it out, and they're like it's tampering with evidence, you're saving their life. And there was a good window there for about five or six years where they were actually prosecuting a felony charge without even recovering the dope. If we could testify that it appeared to be crack, that's all the guys would do is just throw it in their mouth, come out of the hood, chew it up. When you got them pulled over right, I got really good at swiping their mouth with the business card so I could test it. Then I could verify it was with cobalt that it was actually cracked.
Speaker 2:It went in their mouth holy shit, I carry my business cards for the people here and one of my like one or two in each pocket. So if I was fighting with a guy I could reach in my pocket, just rub it across his face, damn.
Speaker 10:Damn.
Speaker 1:That is Pretty good. That was before my time.
Speaker 2:I wasn't even a cop yet oh four, I worked with a guy called Christian Matheson. He was my partner. He's a lieutenant still there. He was the king of the. Set him up for that crack in the mouth. I knew it was coming because he would start getting them. He was a shorter guy. He was a shorter guy so we'd have him come in the back of the car. He'd be like, come on back here, man. He's like, well, lean up against the bumper to get him lower. And the next thing, you know, that hand came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1:Pow right in there.
Speaker 2:So let me ask you this Now looking back on your career was all that worth it?
Speaker 2:Yes, it was worth it. Yeah, it was because at that time I mean that time those people were breaking in everybody's shit, stealing everybody's shit, and everybody said it was just drugs. There's two arguments it's just drugs, I care about drugs, I care about DUIs, I care about you know. But man, when you show up to, some of the worst calls I had were like I remember going to a Hispanic dude, a lawn guy. All he has in his life is his lawn business and his lawn trailer is clean the out no lawnmower, no weed eater, no backpack blower.
Speaker 2:He's looking at me. He's like sir, how am I going to pay my bills? Like I can't go to the store and buy another one? I can't. So when you deal with enough property crimes in that sad manner where somebody's like livelihood is completely gone. Yeah, it's not robbery, they're not, but it hurts to see people and that's what we were getting, those crack that were buying crack. We're doing the most ungodly thing Stealing their mom.
Speaker 10:No, motherfuckers steal anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, their mom comes, goes to the bank and the fucking water bill bounces. They got no electricity because fucking sons smoking crack and stealing a wallet.
Speaker 6:And so I took a look at that and we we we hit them pretty hard, and so you, you, I did back in the day, the guys that were going into Walgreens, cvs, all the pharmacies and twos and threes, once the federal government finally said you can only buy so much Sudafed.
Speaker 6:Oh yeah, I had great pharmacists all over the area that would say, hey, here they come. We'd have to develop our own probable cause beyond that. But it was amazing they were mixing this stuff in the back seat of a friggin station we stopped many mobile meth labs oh my god just it was horrible.
Speaker 2:That was before they got into the whole one pots too. They were still doing it in the old way, the phosphorus. And then they got into the one pot with lithium batteries, and they were. You had to be careful reaching around soda bottles and stuff in the woods, the homeless camps. They would cook it in the fucking homeless camp and you pick it up, remember they.
Speaker 6:I don't know if you probably got the warning on the propane tanks. You know if you had that blue collar on there, it's like fucking back off that. They got the you know and get the right people in there to deal with that.
Speaker 2:The only thing I really didn't deal with was heroin. Down here it blew right over. We never got like the Northeast had the heroin up north.
Speaker 1:We didn't have the heroin down here. I'm going to have to murder Tim. It's like I'm going to have Eric's mom's number. Jesus, oh, mom, don't be giving your number out. What's wrong with you? Oh boy, she sent me a text. Anyway, yeah, I just was curious on what your thought was. You know, after having the career like I was a dope chaser early in my career and, um, I like it was a lot of fun, and then I was getting frequent flyers and I'm like what the fuck is it? Like I was actually considering joining narc and I was like this would be fun and then I saw the writing on the wall narc wasn't what it used to be, where you could set up and go after. You know now everything was worked through confidential informants and you just didn't get to work NARC the way that, the glory days, you know the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 2:But you're in a big area, what it did for me in a moderate area. We have 250,000 people in the and it's small enough that the dope work led to many homicide cases being solved Because I had so many informants and so many people that would tell me things that I always considered and I told my trainees that when I was in FTO, like, fuck the dope cases up, ruin them, Get suppressed, make the stop, cross the gray area. That's the training ground for the residential burglary, the homicide, the, the sexual battery. You don't want to fuck that one up. So right, make the mistakes in the dope. But the connections I made in dope and the homicides I saw I saw like four homicides from dope informants that would call and say, hey, man, I know this guy did this. This is how I know and that's where chasing the dope around kind of benefit. In a big place like you, I can understand. Where it's just so many people, you wouldn't be able to develop that many informants and there's I mean, you guys are massive.
Speaker 2:So yeah a smaller area like me, it really, I mean, I still pick, they still people still call me. I'm done, man, If you want to be on the podcast. I'll bring you in man, yeah, I'm about to search you in the driveway. We have to leave all your deals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't take offense to this, but turn around and put your hands on the car.
Speaker 2:There's no Fourth Amendment in this fucking house.
Speaker 1:I can do whatever I want. Yeah, trey, you get your mic issues fixed. Are she's fixed? Are you still muting?
Speaker 10:and unmuting. No, I got the fan going, so I don't know if you can hear that or not.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm no, you're good uh, actually, yeah, hold on my problem now is a backwards hat man. And then now you're good, yeah, you gotta flip it inside out, turn it over oh yeah, why you got my shit like that, eric, come on it's not me, there you go you good, I fixed it.
Speaker 1:Uh, no, no, no, put it back. Yeah, yeah, that was that's. That's actually you. You didn't fix your video settings when you got in.
Speaker 10:Nah, nah, nah, that ain't me bro.
Speaker 1:Had you showed up on time. Nobody else has that problem.
Speaker 2:I think the email said get in early to go over the technical issues. Yeah right.
Speaker 10:I didn't see that email.
Speaker 2:He's a regular man, you know what happens?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they get comfortable. Typical rookie. Oh, he's a regular man, he can you know what happens. Yeah, yeah, they get comfortable. Typical rookie, typical rookie. You know he's like man. I done seen it all. I can write all the reports, big sarge, I promise yeah, I'm gonna be a lieutenant man, right?
Speaker 10:I'm actually I'm actually a pretty humble new cop, bro, like I'll be.
Speaker 1:I'll be chilling, man he like look, despite my arrogance, I just want to say I'm humble and I am also. I can talk my shit on here.
Speaker 10:I can talk shit on here, did you guys see?
Speaker 2:my post the other day about the Tampa assistant chief with the magazines.
Speaker 10:That is insane Upside down.
Speaker 2:Upside down.
Speaker 1:Right, how about that? I said well, those are gravity-fed mag holders, that's what that was fed. Uh, mag holders, that's what that was out of touch our people that's. That's gravity fed mag holders. So for those listening, you guys wondering what we're talking about, is this chief? Was it a chief? It was an assistant chief.
Speaker 10:I think it was a chief yes, yes or yes, yeah assistant chief.
Speaker 1:She had her her gun belt on with her magazine, pouch upside down and then got photos they got photos taken in at some event.
Speaker 2:They put them up and, ironically, that one was taken down.
Speaker 1:And these are going to be the people that are in charge of making decisions about your future and your career.
Speaker 2:I was also told. She authored a pretty ugly email about the 30 by 30 stuff and kind of pissed a lot of people off about when Trump got an assassination attempt, oh my God. She wrote an email about women and the attack on women and it didn't go over wells over there either admittedly I had to.
Speaker 1:I actually text iso. I was like dude. I keep seeing people say 30 by 30 in these comments.
Speaker 10:What the fuck does that mean? Yeah, I didn't understand that shit at first. I think what I think? I think it was you that posted the cop deal when I seen it 30% women.
Speaker 2:We're at 14%. So their initiative is to put an anytime, and I'm not against them, it's so swaying me, but I'm not against women in law enforcement, so don't take it like that. But anytime, any statistic, yeah, try to make a statistic work. Right For the purpose of making a number work.
Speaker 10:Yeah, that shit never works.
Speaker 2:work, I said, I want to hire 100 new cops tomorrow, we're going to hire 100. There ain't no way 100 of them are going to be qualified candidates. So when you start to put a number on things statistically, you have 14% women right now, all 14% squared away, because 100% of the men are not squared away either. So now you have 14%. You're trying to get another 16%. By 2030, which is five years from now, you're going to double the women workforce in law enforcement and I can't say that you can. I don't think it's statistically possible to put 16% more all qualified Some are going to be flunked out.
Speaker 2:Some are going to not pass, so you're not going to be able to pull that off.
Speaker 6:People will disagree with me, but I'm very happy that DOD has reset the standards for across the line. Yeah, they can't talk about special forces and infantry pilots. You got to make that. There's a reason that line is there and it doesn't matter if you're male or female, because there's a lot of dudes that are frigging punks that can't. They can't get to that standard. They knew what it was before they even tried and they're going to get to try to get a waiver on something. I'm sorry, the waiver equals dead bodies, and the same is going to absolutely translate when it comes to municipalities and here in our freaking amazing country. So, freaking, just make the standards equal. You know, if you want to push your ass and make those standards, you're going to be able to freaking do it. Don't sit there and oh, I'm this or I'm that. So it can't be this Well, by nature obviously men are stronger.
Speaker 2:I'm not being in any way.
Speaker 2:Men are stronger, men are bigger, so the number of females that would be able to compete at the same standard is going to be proportionally lower. If they can pass it, then also be it like. I'm not against women in law enforcement, but there can't be two standards and there can't be especially, and then you get in the military. Forget it. You can't have people overseas taking bullets. It just can't be that way. I'm not not trying to be nasty, I'm not a sexist. My wife is a female cop. I'm not trying to be that way. It just makes sense that you you can't have a statistic and do it just for that reason. Here's another step. Florida pissed me off. They went to an all-women's leadership academy, which to me is like separation. You're segregating again. Why are we pulling things apart? If you want to lead, you're going to have to lead men and women. So why is there a women's only leadership academy now in florida? It didn't make sense to me when I saw that first academy go through. Like what it? I don't get it. I just get it.
Speaker 1:There's a huge problem in leadership training in in general in policing, because I'm military and in banning's military um, I was 11, bravo your military. So you understand. It's day one. Leadership training starts day one. You are supposed to fill the job of the guy that falls in front of you that's ahead of you. You need to know how to do the job and it is just ingrained in you culturally, in the military, that leadership training is is.
Speaker 1:It is the military that I don't know another way to put it. There's cause there isn't a leadership course until you get way up, and that is for massive amounts of people. But Leadership Training 101 starts day one of boot camp and it continues throughout your career. In the police world you don't even really start getting any leadership training and this is generalized throughout most departments until you've reached a supervisor status. If you're getting leadership training, when you become a supervisor it's too late, you're behind the curve. And we, the training we're getting is so antiquated it's like it's asinine. And then you wonder why we have such trouble in policing with these shitty ass leaders.
Speaker 2:It goes back to my statement about the fucking email signature. Man, that huge email signature doesn't mean anything. You learn. I hate it. There are leadership classes that will benefit. I'm not knocking all of them, but it's paramilitary and I don't think very much so. But in that area you are right you learn leadership by doing the job. You don't learn leadership by getting promoted and then being in charge of people and then failing that shit, I mean, you learn leadership by.
Speaker 2:If you went to the agency right now any agency and you got a group of regular dudes together, I guarantee their command staff would be 100% most likely different than the command staff that's in place, or very, very different. Because if they were picking based on performance and the ability to do the job and the ability to lead their, their command staff would look far different than the one in place. Because that's just a continuous roll down of the good old boys that their buddies get promoted, and it's not all the way across the board but it's pretty prevalent. That's what happens with an agent. I don't know how it is in a big agency, but in a small one it's. It's bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um larger agency. I don't think it's as prevalent, but um as far as it's like a mild version of that. Yeah, it happens more in specialized units and for those listening and trying to figure out, we're talking about good old boy system. In a major city like where I'm at, you can't just pick your favorites. There's steps in place because of the way the city runs it that don't allow for that. But when you get to these specialized units they figure out ways to circumvent that to get who they want in their specialized unit.
Speaker 2:I do hear a lot more specialized unit jokes from the larger and I never really thought about it that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because in our agency it's, it's, it's. The command staff is all, it's all them, they're all in the circle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and and and, ultimately the. The command staff can like in the bigger cities, like where I'm at, they can mess with a pick. So let's say they have their hiring process to like me. Let's say I wanted, I want to go to SWAT. They're like all right, we have an interview process and we have a physical requirement process. So you go through the physical requirement part.
Speaker 1:There's nothing they can do to argue your score on that, because that's done by the SWAT team. They evaluate it. Here's where you scored. Um, now the SWAT team can favor that score towards the person that they want the most. So there can be a little bit of fuckery in that. However, they can have their top guy. They can go through their interview process and have a high score for somebody and then it gets up to the command staff level where they review your picks and they're like we want your number three pick, that's who you're going to pick, and they take it right out of your hands. So that is some of the bullshit that can happen, especially if you're pressing for numbers. If me and Banning go against a female for a SWAT position and they're like well, the SWAT officer, the third one down, is a female and she looks good, good enough, we want her. Instead. We just had a female get promoted.
Speaker 2:It's just insane. I'm not going to go crazy about it because I'm trying not to talk shit about people, but it's pretty bad in the small agencies how they justify things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, banning, banning. I don't know if you want to take Houston's comment there.
Speaker 6:Oh yeah, no, it's absolutely 100% accurate. You want to take Houston's comment there? Oh yeah, no, it's absolutely 100% accurate. You know you try to. When I consider leadership, it's even the officers, the slick sleeves. You have to have leadership within those ranks and we would have our leadership problem at that certain agency was getting so bad we'd have to go and identify it with each officer and get their needs taken care of, and this and that because of that leadership. Eventually that leader was gone and then people kind of dispersed and left. But that can happen in big departments and small departments If you don't have your leadership all on the same level and then people trying to circumvent and jump around. I understand an open-door policy and everything, but we've got to have the right leaders in place to be able to do that stuff.
Speaker 2:I was a common sense and that doesn't exist. I got promoted to sergeant. I went to patrol for about nine months and then they called me to take over a new street crimes unit and I knew I didn't want to do it. But I got called from the sheriff directly and I'm like I'm not going to tell the boss no you can't tell the boss.
Speaker 2:No, it was back under investigations and I sat for the first time in a round table Monday morning, higher up meeting, and I thought I was on a fucking other planet. I'm listening to these ideas and these things coming out of these people lieutenants' mouths and I'm like everything you could think was the most wrong answer was what they were saying and I'm just like, did I wake up in another dimension? Like how is this common sense stuff so difficult? And I immediately knew it was gonna be a problem that that I was in that room because I couldn't keep my mouth shut, like they wanted to put. I had two guys underneath me. One runs a canine dog uh, non-bite sniff dog and one's a hard charge and swag guy. We're warrants unit. They wanted to put them on call for general crimes and homicide. I'm like these guys have never investigated that type of crime.
Speaker 2:We're on numbers. We need bodies, we need more. So I'm like you need a warm body. So you're going to send a dude that's never investigated even a burglary, and on the investigation side to a dead person call and let that happen. Oh, I'm like bro like what fucking plan? Like that's what I walked into.
Speaker 1:Okay, now I understand the trey, your mic's giving feedback again. Um, I understand the dumb assery of the comment I'm about to give, but bear, just stick with me and you'll see the wisdom in what I'm saying. Blue blood Bloods okay, cop show. One of my favorite things that this show did was they took a I believe it was a street sergeant or lieutenant, one of the two and they made him an admin spot up with the chief. Okay, I think that that should be a regular six-month or let's say, annual rotation where there is a person from patrol, whether that's a sergeant or a lieutenant. I prefer a sergeant. I think they have the heartbeat a little bit better, but that should be an advisor to the chief and their counsel, or whatever they want.
Speaker 6:I think that's an excellent idea.
Speaker 6:The whole problem I think that everybody on this panel will agree is is, once you reach a certain level, depending on the size of agency, you get so disconnected of what's actually going on on the street and then things come to you in paper form only and you're there to rule on somebody's career and you have no freaking clue on what's going on there, and I have a big problem with that. Uh, no matter what level that I got to within agencies, I always love popping out and showing up at two o'clock in the morning, going 10 am on the radio and, you know, just getting texts. Why are you out here, sir? Why you've got to stay in tune of what's going on period.
Speaker 2:One of our deputy chiefs walks around bragging that he has not worked patrol since 1993. He's a deputy chief in charge of law enforcement on the patrol side 1993. October 3rd Black Hawk. Down happened in 1993. That was what I was dealing with in use of forces and pursuits and I'm looking at this guy and he's a reasonable supervisor. They're supposed to know what's going on in the street. I don't even think PPCT came out Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sorry, but. I mean 1993., he's still there. He's still there, still there that he's still there, he's still there.
Speaker 1:Still there, he's still there. Oh my god, deputy chief of law enforcement. See, and that's part of my issue with people that are judging, you know, reviewing use of force, things on body cam, and I'm like have you ever worn a body cam in patrol? Do you understand the dynamics behind it? Um, for those listening, if you're ever wondering, with body cams they're not running 24 7, they can't, they physically don't even have the ability to do it. Um, but sometimes, like where I'm at in the entertainment district, shit happens in front of you and you got to remember to turn that thing on because you didn't get dispatched to a call.
Speaker 1:Where I'm at, if get dispatched, the camera has to get turned on once you accept that dispatched call. So you're like oh, I got a call over here, cool, accept, boop, boop, turn your camera on. You drive to that scene. Well, where I'm at, you're on foot most of the time and shit's happening all around you. And the next thing, you know, no, there's a big fight that breaks out. Well, no one's ever trained you to turn that camera on during a dynamic situation that happens in front of you. But these people that are in charge of you will be the first to judge Now. Luckily, where I'm at, they have never held that against any officer that I've seen. They understood, but if that is an issue, I mean that's something to consider at some of these other agencies. And what did that say? Stop turning them on.
Speaker 10:We're not turning them on you know how people want body cams on all day, which that shit will never happen bro.
Speaker 2:Body cams aren't even long. I hate to tell you this, but they're on all day.
Speaker 1:They are the new ones, absolutely the new ones are Alan just went to the Axon conference, so let him.
Speaker 4:Let him, let him talk here, okay so they just signed an agreement with safari land that every holster will now have a uh switch in it. They are also building it for all the mag pouches and all of the handcuff pouches and so everything it the second you touch anything on your utility belt it'll turn on, okay, I mean, I'm not against it.
Speaker 10:A lot of agencies already have that for the gun, though, Like the moment you pull your gun out your camera out of base yeah.
Speaker 1:We've got that, your taser.
Speaker 4:If your taser turns on, if the door opens to your patrol car, Proximity to all the other body cameras if you're within so many yards of it.
Speaker 10:I don't like that though.
Speaker 4:That is something new.
Speaker 10:Yeah, I hadn't heard about that one.
Speaker 1:See, we've got the proximity thing already. We've had that for years. If my camera's on and you walk up to the scene and you're within so many feet, it'll turn your camera on as well. I'm very against muting cameras. I don't think you should be muting your camera ever. If you have a redaction team that's what they're for Let them mute the shit that needs to be muted. I got enough shit to worry about. I'm not muting my stuff, unmuting it, muting it, unmuting it, doing all that shit.
Speaker 1:If you got tactical stuff to talk about.
Speaker 4:We'll fucking talk about it and then let the redaction team redact whatever it needs to be done, but I don't think we should be muting it. That's an added piece that will go into. The new piece is the redaction part that it will automatically start doing some of that in evidencecom, the higher ups will decide what kind of things get deducted, and so it'll automatically start swifting through that. Is that a word deducted? Sure, we're gonna go with a little bit of that vodka stuff in the tea tonight. Oh okay, you're not drinking your zimas like normal. No, no, I I got out the good tea.
Speaker 6:I got one of those Zima buttons laying around somewhere.
Speaker 4:Don't get my team over here fired up.
Speaker 1:I sit with Alan, we'll get all up on us. I only drank Zima when.
Speaker 2:I was in high school.
Speaker 4:Hey, you can't hate everybody. I'm not hating, I'm just saying and then the coolest thing that I think really is a safety thing. So you'll be able to hit the side of your body camera and it will translate for you. So if you hit it, somebody's talking a different language up to 50 different languages and it will tell you what they're saying, and then you can do it the other way and it will translate it back for them. Gotcha.
Speaker 1:Pretty soon. We're it back for them, gotcha.
Speaker 2:Pretty soon. We're going to be robots.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm answering Freeman Keyes. Yes, where I'm at currently we can mute, but it's very limited when you can. But again, I don't agree with it, but I'm not, I'm on the fence.
Speaker 2:I know when I would pull informants aside, I would mute and that was strictly non-criminal. That was completely. But I can see the argument on both sides. It can't be redacted.
Speaker 1:I get that as well, but then it comes down to if I have a team, that's their job, is the redaction stuff or dedaction in Alan's case. If they're out there dedacting, then the responsibility falls on them. Like I'm not going to put that, we've got enough responsibilities. Jesus Christ, how many fucking hats do we got to wear as cops? I'm not wearing another one. I'm not being the didaction team. Let them do that shit. I think ours are writing the reports now.
Speaker 2:They're dictating and writing reports. Yeah, what? There's a couple spots that are now they're dictating and writing reports.
Speaker 4:There's a couple spots that are doing that Yours doesn't do that now, eric, it will automatically write your report, the.
Speaker 10:Axon what it's.
Speaker 1:Axon report writing. We don't have that. We've got another report writing system. You probably have it.
Speaker 4:You just don't, I don't know I'm gone, just don't like it's not. Yeah, I don't know I'm gone now Don't pay enough.
Speaker 2:I don't ask my wife those questions, but I know when I was leaving they were just getting into the people T&E and the writing software.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know it existed. I thought you had to have like whatever accent on its report writing system started.
Speaker 2:We called him in on a phone. No, we called him in. No, we had a. We had a card. It was called care and we called in on our phone and we sat there and said case number blah, blah, blah and we talked the whole card and then dictated the entire report from your head into the phone, then hung up and then some lady typed it for you we had a dick bird.
Speaker 10:That's a fred flintstone joke, if any it was weird too, because you'd fuck up, can't imagine that man. That's so much different.
Speaker 2:It was weird too, because you'd fuck up and you'd say something and you'd have to hit the button to rewind, like the old Mantra Machine days, and then stop it and then talk over it Wild.
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Speaker 6:Man that's got to be in his freaking settings, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it has to be.
Speaker 6:Something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, yeah. And again shout out to Harrison Brock for helping us out. I know he's always trying to gift other people memberships, but appreciate that. Let's get to another video. We are, we're behind on videos. Let's see here. Let's share the screen we just have. We've been having some good conversation going on tonight. You got Jerry Worms in the chat there. Jerry Worms, the man. Oh yeah, hell yeah, let me. I'm going to reload this. This is today's Shout out to Jerry Worms.
Speaker 2:Stop or I'll shoot you in the back.
Speaker 1:What's the back story on that, sir?
Speaker 2:That's what he yelled on cops 1989, broward County. He got in a foot pursuit and he yelled stop or I'll shoot you in the back.
Speaker 1:Did he really Okay, I don't know that story. Go to stop or I'll shoot you in the back. Did he really okay? I don't know that story episode. Go to episode one cops. Yeah, no shit, so damn, I can't. Okay, my dad was on cops, just so you guys know not as a bad guy, just putting that out there. That's as much as I can say, jerry is my first guest.
Speaker 2:If you go and watch the podcast, we come no shit, the story is unreal. He he had a whole life before cops. He didn't become a cop till he was like 30, and he grew up with John Travolta. Bro, he had to have worked with my dad, Broward County. He started in 89 or 90, at 89. Okay never mind 88 maybe, and then he worked, did the whole career there. Then he went to Coral Springs as a SRO for a few more years and now he's retired up in Tennessee.
Speaker 1:We'll have to get him on the show as well he's great. Oh, absolutely, jerry, would love to have you buddy. Uh, banning was an FTO on Noah's Ark. Now he's. Now he's, he's going for dad jokes, make sure all the animals are there and in line.
Speaker 1:Right, all right, let's watch another video video. Oh, this was the one I did today. I will. I'll just let it go dealing with a complaint of people fishing off of a dock. You got maybe 30 guard, don't really know great in the water. The way he's creating this guy looks like it's a kid. Okay, so we don't need to listen to me, but so what you saw there is somebody pointed out it might be a train track. Again, it was just a video that was sent in to us and said what do you think about this cop on the dock? And I said, well, let me take a look. So he threw the fishing pole in the water. Yeah, he broke it in us and said what do you think about this cop on the dock? And I said, well, let me take a look. So, um, he threw the fishing pole in the water. Yeah, he broke it in half and then threw it in the fucking water like I'm like, what a fucking asshole as a guy.
Speaker 2:That's okay 20 years ago is okay to do that.
Speaker 1:That's not okay now as a guy who fishes and knows how expensive them fuckers get like, and he threw the whole thing in. So it was the pole and the reel. Now you can have a cheap ass pole but a really good reel and you got a pretty good rig going on. So the fact that he did that like again, it doesn't matter. He could and somebody tried to point out in the comments. You know well, we don't know what happened beforehand yeah, there's no reason.
Speaker 1:I mean how the fuck does that matter? Yeah, that's tough. In no world is it okay?
Speaker 2:there was a world before the phone camera and body camera. That still makes it perfectly okay.
Speaker 1:It's still wrong I know it's still like, I don't care what I get it. There was an old school way and it wasn't. It was accepted by society. You're right, times have changed and it societally. Back then they'd be like, well, you knew you weren't supposed to be fishing like. That may have been the mindset back then, but today, you know, and me looking at it, I'm like what the fuck that dude needs to be? Shit can, and if that's a cop, he needs to be charged, like you, just fucking you. Not only okay, let's look at the big picture one he's fishing, he's not out dealing dope, he's not going through somebody's car, he's not pulling up some endangered fish and kept it. None of that is what happened here.
Speaker 2:I don't even think if he's pulling up an endangered fish. At that point the fish is caught. You're right. Well, maybe he could survive. I'd say it's acceptable, but of course that's not. I mean again, again.
Speaker 1:That brings in the character like the girl shoot in the mirror, like if that guy acts like that over a couple kids fishing, how do you handle a?
Speaker 4:high stress situation. Right right, alan, you got something that's against the law. Actually in texas you can't interrupt somebody from fishing and prevent them from uh, sporting and carry a gun too right yeah, really carry a gun in texas oh yeah, you can carry a gun everywhere here.
Speaker 1:Florida and Texas got a lot in common.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you can't interrupt somebody in the act of fishing.
Speaker 2:Even the cops.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you will, but it sounds like he needs to go to jail.
Speaker 1:And then you threw it in the water. Now you polluted. That's what makes me know that wasn't a DNR officer or a fish and wildlife. In Michigan we call them DNR, department of Natural Resources. But that was not a DNR or a fish and wildlife officer, because they wouldn't have thrown it in the water.
Speaker 2:That was a dude. Chipotle was getting cold in the car and he was taking calls and he wanted to get back to it.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, that guy probably would have went home with his fishing rod broken and his wife would be calling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, steve Wallace said aggravated assault, strong armed robbery, destruction of property, littering Question mark.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all of it. All of it was bullshit. And again, that dude for sure needed some tender, loving care. Scott Davis, oh, we got a Facebook comment. That doesn't happen very often. I swear to follow only my feelings and my laws. I am not going to follow the constitution of the united states. I will abuse my powers and I will abuse the rights of the people everywhere. Opportunity in qualified immunity, heavy jail time, green mile and life sentence for bad cops okay, we gotta get that qualified immunity one up man?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we do. We're trying. We're trying to do a very well thought out qualified immunity podcast or live stream where we have somebody that's really good and articulate for reasons not to have qualified immunity, and then we have Von Kleem, who's like number two of For Science. He's going to do the why we have qualified him you know why we should and going to try to moderate and do all that stuff, because that seems to be like the top hot button topic for just about on both sides. I don't know where your stance is. Mine is it needs to be tweaked, but not getting gotten rid of. There's some people that want to. What's that you can't get rid of? There's some people that want to what's that you can't get rid of it? But Right, I don't think you should get rid of it. I think it's just like the defund, the cops movement. If you get rid of it completely, you're going to lose a bunch of cops and you're not going to get the people you want. It's just going to cause this downward spiral effect. That's how.
Speaker 6:I see it, it doesn can handle it right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll press on.
Speaker 6:Definitely 100%. Cover it guys, I promise you yeah.
Speaker 1:Mr Bill, I'm going to debate Von Kleem.
Speaker 6:Did you spell that right? Did you spell that right, Mr Bill?
Speaker 2:Anyway.
Speaker 1:Oh shit.
Speaker 2:The monkey wants back in.
Speaker 1:Well, he left Fuck him Shouldn't have been leaving with his busted-ass shit-ass mic with his fan in the background.
Speaker 2:Let that guy in here with that little thing set up. Man, I know, get him a microphone and a backdrop, man.
Speaker 10:Right, he's got a nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you gotta get it, man. He's got a good camera, he's got.
Speaker 10:A1 quality. He's got a thing here, man. He's got a good camera, he's got a good quality. He's got a thing here, man A whack-ass mic. I'm going to look good, regardless though camera or not.
Speaker 1:Oh geez, Look, he got his camera at an up angle from underneath him because he didn't want his bill to shadow his face. Am I right? Yeah?
Speaker 2:I use the camera, I use it to block my face.
Speaker 1:I'm good Right Now. I am drunk, danny hey.
Speaker 6:Mr Bill, I'm still waiting for a contact through LinkedIn. Brother, Send me something.
Speaker 1:He said this Steve Ladner drinking game is making me grab my ankle. Oh shit, all right, let's, let's keep going, let's see. Oh, neva said it needs to be codified. One state did get rid of it, though, and the cops quit, breaking the law. That's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 1:Colorado tried, new York tried, and it's not the whole state. It was a city, and it doesn't matter that they tried to get rid of it, because, at the end of the day, it's a Supreme Court case ruling. They doesn't matter that they tried to get rid of it, because, at the end of the day, it's a supreme court case ruling. They can get rid of it all they want. It was the city council in new york that tried to get rid of it. Yes, they technically got rid of it in the city of new york, but at the end of the day, when it goes up to the appeals and and if it even makes it past that, once it gets to the supreme court, they're gonna go oh, what's the supreme Court precedence? And they're going to say, oh, they already have qualified immunity. You don't get to get rid of it just because your city says you get rid of it. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 10:You can't.
Speaker 1:I know y'all say you don't want to talk about it, but you can't do the job without it.
Speaker 10:That's like telling football players all the NFL guys you hurt somebody, then you're liable for that. It all the NFL guys you hurt somebody, then you're liable for that.
Speaker 1:It's part of the game. Let's go to the next video. We already did that one. We'll do this one real quick. I learned later on, and I'm curious, what Kotville's idea is about the First Amendment auditor stuff. This is actually a good one. So let's see here share boom building right. So who these documents? Who?
Speaker 9:grabbed you from the shelter, our staff, so these are the documents. You were better than the shelf right.
Speaker 2:I was taking pictures of the books.
Speaker 8:You told our staff that you were looking for something he has to provide us what story he's writing?
Speaker 9:What is he doing on the ground?
Speaker 10:We only ask him Just like.
Speaker 9:He asks us for information, we're allowed to ask him for information. This is the way it works, okay, unfortunately. If it's open to the public and his eyes can see, he can record what his eyes can see. If open to the public and his eyes can see, he can record whatever his eyes can see. If it's something that is top secret, it has to be behind closed doors, locked and restricted. But if it's open to the public which this is all open to the public if your employees don't wanna be on film, you're gonna have to get up and walk away. We can't tell him he can't record. We just can't do that. If this is open to the public, then he can record. If it's not open to the public, then he can't record either. You get what I'm saying. That's just the law and we can't enforce policy. That right, there is a policy.
Speaker 1:We don't enforce policy. Here's a fantastic All right, and let's stop sharing. So that I found out later I think that was Long Island Auditor, who's real popular, famous, and I think overall I think he does a good job, especially trying to expose gaps in police training, and he also educates. He talks about what the exact laws are and stuff like that. So I learned that this was actually an old video. I've never seen it, so I shared it. But what's your thoughts on the First Amendment, auditors?
Speaker 2:I have no problem with it. I was actually on a video on YouTube that gained pretty good attention at our tax collector's office where the first deputy threatened to arrest them and a bunch of crazy stuff and the sheriff called me directly and said can you go over here and figure this out? And I got there and it was very similar. Like they were recording, they had every right to record and the actual elected tax collector was trying. I wanted them arrested and I'm like you can't do that and I find it just like any other provoking situation. If you just talk to them normal and they don't get the rise out of you, they go away like they're. They're.
Speaker 2:It's kind of juvenile to me what they're doing, but it's also very educational. If cops just paid attention, it's a good learning experience to watch it and learn from it. They're doing something to get views. They're doing something to get following. They're probably making money. Their youtube channel makes money. If you just go there and act like a human being and treat them like a human being, it's going to be a very minimal contact. That's not going to be very eventful, so it's. But lack of education by cops again is a problem. I mean that's that's the problem with it.
Speaker 6:It's 2025. I think it's. I think the first one I probably saw was 2010,. 2011, in reference to actually seeing something on YouTube Bottom line. If you are running an organization that has any dealing with the public and you're a government organization, this should be basic training on every employee that's hired. These elected officials all go through a basic training to do their job, from judges to law enforcement to clerks, everything like that's elected. This should be in basic training. If it's not, then you're going to write a freaking check. I mean, they're being freaking.
Speaker 2:And that's what some of them are after is the money. Some are after the exposure, some are after the money. I hate watching it happen, but that to me shows the caliber of the cop or the agency as well.
Speaker 1:I think it speaks volume to the agency.
Speaker 2:Especially the trespassing ones, where they start getting nasty when they're on the sidewalk. Like bro, how fucking dumb are you? You don't know. The human being is allowed to be on the sidewalk. Right, it's a sidewalk, that's what it's there for. How are you going to tell this guy he can't stand there? And they tell him want you on their property? I get uncomfortable watching it. I really do. It's as bad as watching like a inevitable, like shooting death. Like you get real uncomfortable. You're like this is really gonna go bad because they're committing career suicide when they're doing that, like everything from that point forward shows lack of knowledge of the law, lack of knowledge of the policies. One bad encounter like that, your whole career could just be done. Yeah. Even if you don't arrest them?
Speaker 2:just your failure to know the law and how to treat somebody in that situation. Could a defense attorney gets ahold of that and shows it every time in a trial. Look, he's got his know what he's doing and it's just. And it's usually the peacocking cops that want to be tough guys that go down that line and and and maybe it's a good. That's where I think it's a good thing, because it should weed those guys out. Like, if you can't handle a first amendment order, that's standing around with a phone, how are you gonna handle a real stressful situation?
Speaker 1:because that should be stressful yeah, never brings up a good point. She said clearwater florida is throwing people out of their council meetings, uh, by the dozens, violating free speech, and that that's an easy one. Um, actually I think mr billfold sent me some stuff on people getting kicked out of public town hall meetings and stuff like that city council meetings and I started going down that rabbit hole to learn more about what the rules and regulations are and stuff like that. And from what I'm seeing, man, literally if you are the officer and you are not seeing a violation of law, you can't take them out, nope. And if the council or the mayor or any of these people are trying to tell you, remove them, you got to stand on First Amendment. That'll work for you. Yeah, I can do for you Until I see a violation.
Speaker 1:Just because you're telling me to, that doesn't mean the violation's occurred and because they're hurting your feelings, that doesn't count. Because you don't want to hear what they have to say, it doesn't count. Now, don't get me wrong If you're wilding out and you're being a major disturbance and stuff like that. Trey, I'm just curious.
Speaker 10:Have you ever had to be a part of Tom Hall meetings?
Speaker 1:or anything like that. No, we got like a whole separate team for that.
Speaker 2:I ain't gonna do with that oh no, so they don't even okay, that's actually good though that there's somebody to handle that. That has probably specializes yeah, they just throw you into it here. You oh, you're there.
Speaker 10:You go to the meeting and we got like a like community relations unit.
Speaker 2:They take care of all of that but like you, like he said about the um lack of training, think about the position that puts a young cop in, when you have an elected official telling you to do something, and then your job, your career, starts to go through your head. And then my break I'm not listening to an order, but it's the law, like if you're not vert. That's something. That's a huge thing. That's something yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10:Like if I was fresh off of training and an official, like some counselor or something, was like yeah, get him out of here. I probably would do it without knowing that. Yeah, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2:And guess what? The counselor is going to get zero heat over that. It's going to be all the black guy in uniform.
Speaker 10:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:The the tyrant with a gun. Yeah, yep, I'm. I'm reading through the the comments here. Uh, I the night said, what gets me most is when cops go go back in after the fact and talk shit. Uh, or shit talk the person who wasn't doing anything wrong to the complainant yeah, it's bad business yep anytime the phone around like those days are over the phone.
Speaker 2:The phones are everywhere. Everybody's recording. It just doesn't make sense for guys to one, another one stupid comment like that. Your your career's on the line these days.
Speaker 1:Yup Uh. Mr Bill Fultz said, Eric, in that video I sent you he addressed the officers who lost their qualified immunity in the case for kicking Dr Spies out of that meeting and arresting him. Yeah, that's a, that's man. You guys. When all else fails, fall back on the constitution.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's where we talk about a lot in counterculture, but you work for the people. Yeah, I don't work. Fuck the sheriff, fuck the office, like at the end of the day. And I always got asked by a couple guys in town that were very constitutional, like constitutional guys, like if they said we're taking the guns, would you? You do Absolutely not. Fuck, no, absolutely not. And I hold, I held an oath to the people, not the job, not on building, not an administration I worked for the people and you did it twice.
Speaker 1:At the end of the day, I did it twice, I did it twice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 26 years total between law enforcement and the military, that I worked for the people. And you know you get grouped into the tyrant government bootleg all that bullshit, because you're a cop. But there are like, there's people like me. You guys, that's the way you feel is like I work for the people. Yes, not, not, I'm not here to round up guns. I'm not here to do it. I work for the constitution. The constitution at the end of the day, the right to bear arms at the end of day. That's why we have that right, so that the government doesn't overrun the people. And if I had to get on the other side and stand with the people, you can have this fucking badge and you can take it. I don't want it. End of the day.
Speaker 1:I'll be okay.
Speaker 6:You're there. Period for the people Policy versus law Yep.
Speaker 2:The statute books this thick, and the policy books this thick of all the rules. The constitution is pretty straightforward. Like we've skewed that document to case law, to to court rulings, to amendment, like it's been flipped everywhere. You can stand on one side of the street. One thing's illegal On the other side of the street. It's not illegal Like all that stuff. But at the end of the day, thing's illegal on the other side of street. It's not illegal, like all that stuff. But at the end of the day, I work for the, I worked for the people and that's who I served, and everybody can kiss my ass hell, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Um, where was mr? Just so you know this is actually a big deal on our show that mr billfold doesn't like cops pretty much in general. Um, so the fact that I'm very.
Speaker 2:I always said I was the closest you could get to not being a cop. For 20, 23 years I was there and I was actually investigated.
Speaker 1:I keep preaching. That is one of the reasons why I feel like police work was for me, because I grew up in flint michigan, I, I was. All of my friends trust me, me. I can't say a lot, but it was on the other side of the house. So, um, and I'm not going to call any names out, but you know I'm not a fan of the ATF either. Somebody's talking about the ATF, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not a fan of the ATF Trying to hire an agency to fucking. The first second amendment I didn't need an old agency to fucking. The second amendment says I didn't need an old agency to to, for one little alert that says shall not be infringed.
Speaker 1:I don't see anything on the second amendment that says what type of gun I can have either. I'm not being infringed. Country constitutional country, girl's gonna go nuts, she's moving.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Uh, may I capitalize love it, um, um, never said cops are human too. It's just that some of them don't know how to use critical. May I capitalize Love it? Neva said cops are human too. It's just that some of them don't know how to use critical thinking. Hello. And let's face it, some cops will sheep right into doing what they're told, and we've seen it.
Speaker 10:I don't believe in that shit.
Speaker 1:We've seen it. So, when push comes to shove, choose your states wisely.
Speaker 2:You have to and I call it a cult. I think law enforcement is a cult, honestly, and when I say that and you just won all of our crowd.
Speaker 2:You just won them they rope everybody into thinking Yusuf Hofstra. He's a good dude. He's a Brevard County deputy that shot and killed somebody in a road raid incident and he said that his biggest thing is like get out of law enforcement and do something. I'm not saying there doesn't need to be cops, but don't be part of the cult that makes you think you can't do anything else. You're an intelligent human, you have a brain. You have a plethora of other trades. If it's not for you, don't do it. If you don't want to conform to those policies and you're strongly about those, don't do it. Don't do 22 years of misery, 23 years of misery, 20 hating your family, kicking the dog, all that stuff that they accuse us of. Don't do it. Go get another job. Like it's not for everybody. But if you're going to do it, you do it right. You serve the people and that's the way. I look at it.
Speaker 2:That's what ended my career. That's what ended my career was I finally said I'm not dealing with this fucking administration anymore. I'm going to say whatever I want Obviously not crazy shit but I'm going to say call out who needs to be called out. I'm not going to sit back and take this anymore out. I'm not going to sit back and take this anymore. You're not going to continue to do this to me. And I openly supported the other candidate for sheriff, unfortunately lost, and that began to wrap up my career. But you know what? I'm 49 in two weeks. I don't have to fucking work.
Speaker 1:So they really got me yeah, um, sorry, I'm just messaging trey that I muted his mic because his fan was driving me nuts. But um, all right, let's get to another. We're gonna get to the whole point of this fucking show because we're an hour and 30 in already. Damn, uh, cotville's like damn, I didn't know it's gonna be this long no I'm good um so two hours every time I go oh, okay.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, okay, you're used to it, okay. So the whole point of when we do the body cam uh review live is we will watch body cam videos that we have never watched before. Um, we get all of these from police activities youtube channel, so shout out to those guys, make sure you follow them. Um, every video you're going to see tonight from here on out is from police activity, so be sure to give them a like, follow, subscribe. All that good things. And uh, we have not, I have not watched any of these videos. Um, cop bill, if you have seen one of these, just say I've seen it. And just kind of chance, I sat around and watched any youtube videos, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, um, what we do is, rather than monday morning quarterbacking the video, we kind of we'll keep pausing, all right, here's, here's how the videos develop so far. Here's what I'm thinking, here's what I would do. So it's kind of will keep pausing, all right. Here's here's how the video has developed so far. Here's what I'm thinking, here's what I would do. So it's kind of giving the mindset of how cops all around the nation kind of think we got Trey from California, me from Texas and Michigan um banning North Texas, oklahoma and Arizona, I think, and then, uh, he's worked all around the place, so, um, banning.
Speaker 6:You was in Arizonarizona, right? No, I've all my law. You live there, though, right, I live in 23 different states.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir jesus christ damn fucking traveling man. I like 23 addresses. Um, where do you think the whole 23 and me came from? Uh banning be spreading the seed all over no, definitely not doing that he's like don't give me a trouble.
Speaker 6:Mom's taught me better.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's share the screen here. Boom, share. We don't know the back story. Is there anything like that? We're going to biggie size. Pow, there we go and play. All right, don't forget, it tends to be muted. Okay, looks like it's out of Bismarck. I don't see any lights or sirens. Well, I don't hear any sirens. What do we do? Looks like he's going to deal with this car. Maybe because they're double parked, you're blocking this car and move, I'm guessing. Okay, I'm going to pause it and just kind of I'll work you into how we deal with these Cott. So for me, if I was this officer, before I ever approached this car, I would have ran the plate. I would have taken that plate that I could see there on the white suv and just entered into the system as I called out. Hey, I'm gonna be out with a white vehicle at this parking lot. I don't know why we're here. So it is what it is, but that's the bare minimum I would have done Banning. Is there anything else that you would add to that?
Speaker 6:No, sir, sorry, I'm pouring another water the water my ass.
Speaker 1:So, all right, this is some sort of security TV. This is not the police owned video. There is no volume at the moment, so everybody knows. Turn off the car. Turn off the car. Okay, so now we've I don't know it just moved ahead. It didn't tell us what's going on. So, yeah, Freeman Keyes is calling you bullshit, Manning, they're taking off. Okay, Copville, what are you doing from here?
Speaker 2:So far I'm happy nobody's jumped in the car or in front of it, but we still have some time to go so I don't know the call type kind of skews my mind right now about how I would have handled the start of it. But I saw one of the comments said that's a long walk from cover. I definitely agree. That's a really interesting way to park your car that far away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so right now, obviously your job is to not get run over, right? Please don't shoot them through the windshield, but we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So that is for those out there listening me and Banning have kind of hit on this a lot in the last year, where we talk about creating your own exigency Terrible. Now this is going to be. If it hasn't already happened I haven't checked up lately, but it's going to be a Supreme court ruling there. There's banning water. You cannot create your own exigency. Most departments that I know of major departments they don't want you to do that. So what is creating your own exigency? Most departments that I know of major departments they don't want you to do that. So what is creating your own exigency? This car is about to take off and you put yourself in a position that it may run you over because you're trying to draw the line in the sand. That is putting yourself in your own and in an exigency circumstance.
Speaker 6:Here's also. I've not seen this video, but this is obviously a little bit more North than Texas. With all the snow on the ground, that's a 2014 Chevrolet Traverse front wheel drive. Get on top of that snow mound. It's not going up more than three feet up, that do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, assuming it doesn't get a whole bunch of steam on the parking lot. Yeah, so, um, I would love to know the call type. That that's the thing, because, yeah, why are we making contact?
Speaker 2:because it's a private lot. If you've, if you pulled in from behind and and got real close to the bumper, there you have cover and you've yeah, you've limited its movement for the rear. Some of the rear movement they go forward, but at least you have your vehicle to retreat behind. Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1:All right, let's keep going all right I don't know what our goal is here for me. I'd have been retreating back to my vehicle. I would have been in my car like did I hear? Did I hear a gunshot? No, I didn't hear a gunshot okay I'll go back. We'll be sure there's the door shutting.
Speaker 3:Get out of the car. Get out of the car. Get out of the car all right now you back yourself up. Get out of the car.
Speaker 1:Woo, okay, okay. I'm actually okay with this shooting, because they didn't shoot. No, that was an intentional act.
Speaker 6:Yeah, he changed the verdict it was attempted murder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he projected himself toward I don't know what the word is Fuck it. Tonight I am drinking Suavecito Anejo.
Speaker 2:It's just Vegas Brandon there saying it was a long walk to cover. That was a bad idea.
Speaker 1:Yep, two cops, one donut Needs to stop trying to be Martin Riggs. I'm getting too over this shit. That's Riggs, right? No, no, riggs is the other one, it's Mel Gibson.
Speaker 3:Shots fired. After hit Show your hands Shots fired.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's fucking up. You can hear it in his voice. Show your hands, show your hands.
Speaker 3:Give me a metro. She struck me, shot fired. Oh, he's fucking up. You can hear it in his voice. Show your hands, show your hands.
Speaker 1:Banning. You were wrong. He got up the hill, yeah, I was wrong man, so I take that back.
Speaker 6:So again, I have not seen this.
Speaker 1:But he did build up steam. He started. You can see my mouse. He started mouse. He started back here, so he had a. He had some good momentum back up. He flew no back.
Speaker 3:Show me your hands back up uh, okay, this is me I.
Speaker 1:I tend to get a little. Um, I will, you know, I will be your hero. Uh, for my partners if my partner is laying there, I'm probably going to madman that car. I'm going to get up on, up on it quick. It's probably a bad time. I'm not a tactical guy, I'm not the only problem.
Speaker 2:This is a bad well. I don't think the car can go anywhere. You have unknown, unknown weapons Right. You've already shot something, I don't know if you hit anything yeah.
Speaker 2:It's an ugly one because you definitely got to get your buddy out of there. But yeah, that's a. That's a real bad situation. That's a bad. Somebody said it gets bad quick, and it definitely has gotten bad quick. Yeah, like you're no man, I mean I don't think the car can go anywhere, but you don't know where the guy is. Is he under the wheel? Is he under the hood? Where is he?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I see his head, Maybe to the left there I can see my mouse. Yeah, I think that's him. But damn, my concern would be he backs up and goes forward again and my guy can't fucking move. So I want to at least get him behind this felony cruiser over here.
Speaker 2:I felony cruiser over here, make sure I drove one of those for about three years undercover.
Speaker 1:I knew it. What are the top ones we?
Speaker 2:seized it too.
Speaker 1:We seized it and then I drove it. You got your six-cylinder charger, you've got that the PT Cruiser, and then you've got your Chrysler 300. Those are the top dogs, great UC cars. Mag dump, jesus, okay. Mag dump, jesus, okay. Let's keep going. I can't wait to see the body cam. There we go. Oh shit, that is a charger on the right, alan's right.
Speaker 5:Go ahead 1140 South Wall Street, Nineways Shelter. There is a white Chevy Equinox at the church beside the. Nineways Type 911. The texture is 55 and getting escalated. Again 1140 South Wall.
Speaker 1:Street. I didn't understand any of that. Sounds like a different language. Did anybody get that?
Speaker 2:No, some type of 10 code, garble yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, anyway, of 10-code garble.
Speaker 8:Yeah, okay. Anyway, 10-4. United copies.
Speaker 7:Hi. What's your name, ma'am? Why are you calling? We got called to come check on you. They were concerned. There's nobody concerned. There was. We got a phone call.
Speaker 9:What's going on today? Who did you?
Speaker 1:get a call from, I'm detecting either under the influence of a narcotic or drugs. Slow speech, do you? Uh, yeah, for sure I don't know.
Speaker 7:It was an anonymous caller saying there was a white. I know.
Speaker 5:That's what they. They keep doing that. You know why. They did that in Nebraska with my children. They keep calling in Balser College.
Speaker 8:Okay.
Speaker 1:Third speech. I don't think that it's okay for people.
Speaker 7:I can't help it that people call and it's my job to come respond when we have a call in, to come check on people. Okay, now my concern is coming out.
Speaker 8:of you know everybody.
Speaker 7:Your concern is you know everybody that I'm dealing with my concern is that the car smells heavily of marijuana.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to put it out there. This cop's being chill as fuck like this. I mean, as far as personable skills go, he's legit. Does everybody get the same type of vibe from this guy? It's a great person and that's.
Speaker 6:I'm sorry, but that's gonna be a lot of chi man to make somebody like he's.
Speaker 1:He's being a good. This is how I would hope a cop talks to people. This is good, good shit.
Speaker 7:When's the last time you smoked any marijuana? Other people have smoked marijuana in here and I don't want to get into that, because then they're calling you on me. Other people have you. Don't smoke any marijuana.
Speaker 3:I have, I have medical marijuana.
Speaker 7:I had Jesus Turn off the car no 399, she's fleeing.
Speaker 1:Jesus, that happened so much faster in this view than the far away view. I want to go back and I'm going to play it through. I'm damn near surprised they didn't shoot right there the first time when he tried to run me.
Speaker 7:I don't think he fucking had time. Current, no, okay, have you stepped outside of the vehicle here?
Speaker 3:No, you're not.
Speaker 7:Turn off the car. Turn off the car no 299,. She's fleeing no.
Speaker 3:Get out of the car? No, get out of the car. Get out of the car no.
Speaker 1:Look how far their cars are. 299,. She almost struck me. Get out of the car. Get out of the car. Look how far their cars are 299,. She almost struck me. Get out of the car.
Speaker 2:This is my problem. They're here late, they're split out and they're up as well.
Speaker 3:God damn, you're not fired.
Speaker 2:Well, he's on the other side of the hill, well, he's on the other side of the hill, you pushed him through the fucking fence.
Speaker 3:She struck me, shots fired.
Speaker 8:Show your hands. And so as soon as I heard that, I put you and she together like just peeping, like hearing the. You know how you turn the when the gravel scratches. Yeah, I heard that. And then that's when I I kind of speed sped walk to the truck. In case she was the rammy, it'd be the truck, not me. So I speed-spread-walked to it and then she was at the window down. She was like she was like no, no, no, just don't scream. And I was like hey, calm down, like calm down.
Speaker 8:She started giving me to people over and running and her dad owns an oil finery and all types of crazy stuff while she has me drive. So I'm trying to be low key because this is all happening within minutes of each other. I'm just trying to keep her talking and see what I'm saying to the other people. So I didn't even know if I should step away in the car. But if I stepped away I would either be in the front or the back of the vehicle. I didn't know what to do. My son's right there in the car. I can go 100 back up and then run to the back of the car. So I just take the two guys.
Speaker 4:Turn off the car. Turn off the car.
Speaker 3:Get out of the car. No, get out of the car. Get out of the car Now. Get out of the car. Get out of the car Now. Get out of the car. Woo Shots fired Hofstra hit.
Speaker 1:You know, I think the fence actually saved his ass.
Speaker 6:Fence slowed it down. Definitely from the back of his head getting smacked off that concrete?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, I think that fence saved his ass, damn. I'm curious how that Show your hands?
Speaker 3:Show your hands. Show your hands Back up no, back up. Show me your hands. Show your hands Back up no, back up. Show me your hands.
Speaker 1:He's still looking out for the citizens. Yeah, that's angsty. They just. I don't know if you guys heard in the audience, but he just said, hey, I want to come help you. And he said, no, stay back. So I mean, his mind is still there, he's still trying to protect. Like that's pretty good shit we got help coming.
Speaker 3:James, stay there damn holy shit.
Speaker 1:Alright y'all. What do y'all think about that one that was freeman keys? She earned every gram of lead she received, yeah, yeah, that was insane and and these officers were being so chill about it, which I like. I like that, like, that's my like how they just handled that is probably about how I am on every call. I'm super relaxed, um, but they, they put themselves in a rock and a hard place, which I think was preventable.
Speaker 2:So if we're gonna learn from this as cops.
Speaker 1:That's a tough one yeah, let's you know, I'm not monday morning quarterbacking these guys, like they.
Speaker 2:I think they, like I said, I think they did a good job. They did the only thing. I think they got hung up when they drew their guns and she backed up, they stayed folk out in the open. That's the immediate move to cover behind those cars. That's the only I mean. I know it's tough, it's tunnel vision kicks in, but get to cover.
Speaker 1:I don't even think it was tunnel vision. I think they legitimately thought she's just going to drive off. That's why, you's why, yeah, I think I mean even usually what happens yeah, normally that is what happens.
Speaker 2:I think they just thought she was so inebriated that she didn't know what the fuck she was doing. Yeah, um I think she was trying to take him out. I think she was just trying to get out of there and, yeah, she was fucked up andy's asking uh, wasn't there a passenger?
Speaker 1:yeah, that was the guy in the red that they were talking to at the big fro, and then he walked away from it because he was like she's fucking, I will point out to be a little critical at the beginning they interviewed that dude right behind her car the entire time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where she could have thrown it in and drove off at that point, yep.
Speaker 1:And it would have taken out the innocent bystander. Yeah, so yeah Again. Innocent bystander yeah so yeah again. Anytime a call goes bad, I don't want you guys to look at it like we're monday morning quarterbacking cops. I want to improve. There's always something to learn.
Speaker 2:To me it's a debrief yeah, my thing, my, my statement would be if that ever happens, you immediately get the cover. Don't worry about, don't stand in the open somebody starts to back away. I wouldn't even try to rip them out at this point. There's no, no reason to do it. Let them go.
Speaker 1:Get the cup. Yeah, tim said. I just watched a TikTok lawyer and he said if you're inebriated, it can be used as a defense for intent. Get the fuck out of here. Good luck with that. Not in Texas, matter of fact. I think it actually enhances your sentence.
Speaker 1:Do you still take calls? Yes, I do. Yeah, do you still take calls? Yes, I do. Yeah, absolutely. Um, now don't get me wrong. I'm a sergeant, my job is to supervise, so I shouldn't be taking calls. But sometimes I know my guys are all at lunch and it's a easy call that I can go handle. Um, so I will take calls, but for the most part, no, um, I'm out there, I observe calls, I supervise, like my job is for. But if I get wrapped up in a call that ends up having somebody's got to go to jail or something like that, now I've taken myself away from doing what I'm. I promoted past that and that's the hard part as a sergeant is not acting like an officer anymore. So you got to know your role and your guys will hate you if you sit there and handle a bunch of calls. I promise so a little cop code. Was it that way with you in florida?
Speaker 2:yeah I got. When I got promoted to sergeant on patrol I was a warrant, I was a warrant guy. I couldn't stop doing it. So I kind of had that rock and a hard place.
Speaker 2:My lieutenant was also same go-getter, now a lieutenant yep, I'm in the same boat like the first two searches, and I took somebody to jail which is pretty quick here, it's not a long drive and he finally said hey, dude, you can't be tied up in the jail. He's like if you get in a pursuit, you get in a car, like that. He's like if you get the warrant, you're gonna have to turn it over to his own car. Then I feel like a dick. I'm like man, I'm call the zone cars like.
Speaker 2:I think this guy's over here to warrant. Do you want to go get him? Yeah, but I wouldn't just go on my own and go. You know, I'm going to go grab a guy and then this guy who's trying to do whatever he wants to do and doesn't, you know trying to do traffic or you know watch a house or something. So I felt I didn't want to be that sardid, because that used to happen all the time when I was a. So then I got street crimes, which then didn't fucking matter. I could do whatever I wanted.
Speaker 1:So Houston gas, this is again. You guys know I've got banning sweat land, which is one of the most epic you know deputy names ever. Houston gas is also another deputy. He got shot in the fucking face with a shotgun while on duty.
Speaker 6:Back in real quick 30,000 foot view, not to take away from what Eric's about to say. Back in 2015, houston was up in the panhandle in Texas, went to a domestic Houston comment, if I'm wrong on this, but I believe it was the second or third time patrol units had to go back out to that house and basically got people to safety, was trying to get the dude out, possibly armed, and wasn't sure if there's other people in the room, because we know if we're dealing with that kind of stuff, you can kind of like this guy's by himself. Now he's in his own domicile. We're gone. But, not knowing, houston did the right thing and, trying to communicate with the gentleman through the bedroom door, put his left face up against the door. 12-gauge shotgun point blank on the other side shot Houston right in the face, disintegrated all the teeth.
Speaker 6:You can go Google Houston gas, just on Google, and look at images. You can see the reconstructive surgery. I don't even know how many surgeries he went through, but he put the uniform back on until a few days ago. He just retired. But let me tell you something about Houston Gass. He's a good friend of mine. Once he was able to talk and walk. After that he went to the frigging jail and forgave the dude that frigging shot him. That speaks volumes on somebody man. Uh, no, houston is a uh dear friend of mine. He, he literally is in the process of finishing out his retirement right now. He's done on patrol and, uh, I'm welcoming him to the joy enjoy your retirement, man, you fucking surely, surely, earned it.
Speaker 1:So I want to get him on our podcast, but I will throw him your way once. Uh, you can have my sloppy seconds. Sound good there?
Speaker 2:we go.
Speaker 1:All right, let's go to the next video, police activity. We need to share the screen Share and biggie size. There we go, all right, let's roll. We need to unmute first. There we go, all right, let's roll, oh we need to unmute first. There we go.
Speaker 3:Hi, is this an armed robbery going down at Maplewood Condominiums right now? What's the full address there?
Speaker 10:North Backer Avenue.
Speaker 3:What unit there's like four or five of them. They all got down. My neighbor just came to my house knocking they broke into my window and they said Fresno Police Department. Okay, I saw.
Speaker 8:I looked out the people for a second and it wasn't cops and I ran out the back door. And you're you guys are in Unit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm in Unit House robbery is. I see him just keep going back and forth grabbing. They got guns and stuff and there's a balloon in his house.
Speaker 1:Has he got that shotgun in a bag? Oh, maybe. Yeah, nobody will notice us. Hell, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's a fucking UC. Or is that the? No? That's a I'm talking about. That's a fucking UC. Or is that the? No, that's a bad guy's car. Yeah, that's what it says. That's a bad guy's car, I think. All right, I'm going to give him a little credit. It's pretty smart. Most bad guys don't do this. That was pretty smart. So, all right, I will say that if we got this call and I hear those details it is an armed response. Everybody's guns should be out and we need to get together collectively and come up with some rudimentary game game plan on the way there. So let's keep going. This is where a real-time crime center really comes into handy. Yeah, drones. If you got drones, launch them. Look at that. That's a good SUV right there. That's prime for it. Oh, they took a gun safe. Oh, yeah, that's going to bog that thing way down. That is not made for that type of weight.
Speaker 6:Nope, it's a 2005 Honda CR. Oh lord look at it.
Speaker 10:How do you be knowing all these cars, bro?
Speaker 1:running on the rims. Hey, once you've done a little police work rookie, you start to learn these cars. If you just go out there and actually do some shit instead of sitting back and just taking calls man, I don, no, I don't be parking lot pimping man. I be trying to get after it. Look at this car Just dragging ass. It's riding on the tires. That's how heavy that thing is. Why didn't he go out the way he came in? Why make it harder on yourself?
Speaker 6:I bet you that grass was left. What's?
Speaker 1:that.
Speaker 6:I bet you that grass was left or wet and it pulled him to the left. That's a left.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 2:Probably just made it easier on himself 14 apart, where it's in the middle of the complex. It's in the middle of the complex.
Speaker 1:Okay, so they're watching this live or they're getting updates live, because they just said it's in the middle of the complex, middle of the complex. So there's a slight delay in that stuff and I believe we just saw the tail end of that car go by, quit showing off banning, so I'm gonna go back. I want you guys to look way ahead. Um, in the parking lot as he makes his turn. You can see what I think is that suv driving 14 apart, where it's in the middle of as he makes his turn. You can see what I think is that SUV driving Team 14, a part where it's in the middle of the complex.
Speaker 2:Right there.
Speaker 10:Copy. It is here.
Speaker 1:You know they're armed. These cops are aware that they're armed. They hold shots. You link up. Is that it? Oh, no, that's it. Is that it? Oh, no, that's it. I was wrong. That's not the car. How do you know? I haven't watched this 400 to King Forteum.
Speaker 4:I got the car on the south side Get on the ground.
Speaker 3:Don't fucking move. They're trying to drive away. Don't move. Don't move K-14, they're trying to drive away. Don't move. Don't move Team 14, they're going back towards you.
Speaker 1:That's a hard position to be in. You know they're armed. You don't see a gun.
Speaker 2:He's pretty far forward for my liking right now.
Speaker 1:Yep, and look where we're at. You're responsible for every round that comes out and we're in a very tight packed apartment area.
Speaker 6:And just imagine what the groundskeeper is going to think.
Speaker 3:What the fuck? I just had this place.
Speaker 2:I'm going to get out quick, but this is a rifle call.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, out of the locker. You get there laying on the seat next to you, ready to pull out.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's my move. Yep, absolutely. Gas meter? Yeah, there is a gas meter right there.
Speaker 2:With that Glock from there with an iron sight, I promise.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So all right, Rookie, what do you got? You got anything.
Speaker 10:Shit. I mean, I think they're doing all right right now he's not. He's starting to creep up, which could be a problem, but so far I think it's cool. It seems like they got a perimeter set because they got another unit over there and yeah, nothing really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is about to get fucking hairy real quick.
Speaker 10:Yeah, I can tell he's already amped up. I mean, it's hard not to be in a situation like this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't get amped up very much, but if I go in knowing they've got on view and they're armed, it's going to be hard not to be breathing heavy, for sure.
Speaker 3:Stop right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is bad for sure in this instance because we have live view of them being armed. I'm not opposed to that. They were retreating, going backwards, he followed and was starting to use the building his cover, and then they suddenly brought it forward and caught him off guard in a different position I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2:It's it's right. I don't like him going that far forward, but if he's it appeared they were maybe backing out, gonna lose sight of him yeah like I mean he's out there trying to keep eyes on.
Speaker 1:He's trying to keep communication Highly populated apartment complex.
Speaker 2:So yeah, a little bit. There's a lot more factors to this one than just your old parking lot jumping in front of the car Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm with you on that. You got anything on that banning? Okay, trey.
Speaker 10:No, I pretty trey, no, I pretty much stand on the same direction as that. And then I mean he jumped out of nowhere else he could go in that little small corridor.
Speaker 1:So yep, yeah, and then it is like you can't risk them driving by that close, knowing they're armed, and then, because he's a sitting duck, if they start shooting out of that car yeah, yeah, for sure so, all right, keep going. Looks like they trapped themselves in a parking lot.
Speaker 2:Now it looks like he's just trying to have fun there you go.
Speaker 1:Not okay with that Not okay with that let's keep going, keeps coming over the bottom.
Speaker 3:Guy got him Kip's coming over the back. Hey, give me your hand. There's a guy in the car. Still there's another guy in the car. Still Another guy in the car.
Speaker 1:Shit, we just left him. Oh, he fired out his window or got fired at. He's stuck, his door won't open he disabled his own car.
Speaker 6:Let me get that.
Speaker 1:Oh, that guy's DRT. Oh, it wasn't a shotgun.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's real Shorty too. Hey, I'm going to put this in my car in my car.
Speaker 1:That is not the business of people. That don't mean it. They went out there to handle bad shit. If it happened, I am okay with the original officer that fired. I am okay with everything they did to handle that. I am not okay with him firing rounds into a person running his hands looked empty. I couldn't tell.
Speaker 2:I'm just curious how the holes got in the wind? Did they come in or out, right? I think he boned him and then did he raise a gun like there's a lot missing there I think he, I think his vehicle got disabled.
Speaker 1:He couldn't get the door open and he's like I'm fucked, so he started firing. So, um, that's my guess. I don't know the rounds running away were a little rough yeah, yes, yeah. And on that, like, yeah, wade lucero said maybe a 300 blackout. Yeah, it could have been. Look like I mine's a short, short barrel 300 blackout, but yeah and then okay, so training-wise guys, clear the vehicle. You got to have one goes after the driver, that's fine, but somebody's got to clear the vehicle.
Speaker 2:That's a tough one. Everybody does that and we actually train that heavy at our agency to make sure.
Speaker 10:It's funny that you say that, because my sergeant he's always big on like uh, he's like somebody has to do the boring job. Everybody can't run to the fund so like, stay in the cars could be the boring job it's big on perimeters and stuff too, like everybody, or hot calls.
Speaker 2:Everybody wants to go right to the hot call and I have been luckier by staying away and taking a further. I'm opening the umbrella and then sometimes you get lucky, they come your way, sometimes you're not, sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield. So yeah, everybody going to one place or everybody you know, can't all run after the guy.
Speaker 1:That plus one is always a factor yeah, uh, nina said, shouldn't they have gloves on when handling the perp's firearm?
Speaker 2:yeah, you don't know the status of the passenger, you gotta get out of there unless he's obviously dead. I originally thought that right away. Why get the gun if he's obviously dead? But in that case there's so much going on that doesn't change much of the investigation.
Speaker 1:Yeah you get so spun up, man, I'm telling you my adrenaline would have been pumping on that one, and I don't get adrenaline that easy anybody that's. Yeah, you get so spun up, man, I'm telling you my adrenaline would have been pumping on that one, and I don't get adrenaline that easy Anybody that's been in it a while. I think we're all in the same boat. Anybody that trains in grappling or martial arts for a long period of time, they also have a harder time getting their adrenaline up, so that's another reason I'm big into that.
Speaker 2:Harrison Brock, look good to train like or talk about like that's, that's. There's a lot happened in that video to really adjust and that and to train, and that's kind of my. One of my pet peeves with smaller agencies is, you know, the lack of pursuit policies. A lack of critical incidents leads them to what happens when that happens in a small town they've never even talked about it. Yeah, so these breakdowns should be done at the smaller agencies too and cover this and be ready for this, because that happens in Podump. I mean that seems like a pretty busy area where those guys look pretty squared away. That dude handled himself. That first guy handled himself pretty well, other than going a little bit past my comfort zone of cover.
Speaker 2:He did a pretty good job that was impressive because it yeah so big place, they should be well changed. But you know you have a small town and that breaks through.
Speaker 1:God knows what's gonna happen yeah, what, what sucks, and and again thank you harrison for that and um, marine blood's uh drinks, or because you didn't get another um, but what was what? What we should point out in this, too, is that if you do come from a smaller agency where we see a lot of the problem videos when we see cops fuck up, you got to remember everybody's like. Well, how much training do they have? I don't care if they had 5500 hours of training. They had a two-year academy. If they sit in a city where the worst thing that happens is Mrs Johnson's garbage can flipped over into their neighbor's yard and they want it taken care of, that skill set goes away.
Speaker 2:And here's the correlation I make when are most of your TikTok cops from Small agencies? All podunk small agencies? So it correlates to lack of training. And then they're so lack of training that they're dancing around their car and like that hulk real moron doing for, oh jesus with the pink handcuffs. I can't stand it and it just it's unfortunate.
Speaker 10:And and vera reenactments, dude reenactment, you know everybody people be sending me and saying like bro, you should. Are you liking my mind, bro? Hell no.
Speaker 2:And here's what people don't realize. I I'm very hard on him and we've gone at it and he blocks me. He hasn't had me blocked in my pocket as a count yet but I he would hope all he'll respond with is some god blessed message or something. But um, people take offense to that. I have had guys in officer involved shootings that message me after one of his stupid skit videos and go hey man, my buddy got shot like three days ago and I'm going through it and this moron is making a mockery of that situation not that specific one, but he's making reenactments for clout about officer-involved shootings.
Speaker 2:Domestic violence is another weird fantasy of his. He's always doing a domestic violence skit. It's like these guys have messaged me and that's where I kind of look like I can say whatever I want. So they can't. That's why I get nasty with them. It doesn't resonate well to guys that have been involved in critical incidents or domestic violence victims or you know guys in like chicago and new york, you guys, and like dealing with fucking madness all day. And then this guy's got eight cameras set up with seven characters in a fucking skit that last three minutes of like a whole soap opera in one video. It's like this is what he's doing on duty and I found out they actually enjoy it there. Like the agency supports it. Yeah, they let him the there. Like the agency supports it. Yeah, they let him. The local academy police academy like supports it. It's unreal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so stupid.
Speaker 2:Irmo, south Carolina Police Department. Oh, is that where it? Where is it?
Speaker 1:again.
Speaker 2:It's right outside of South Carolina. It's one of the big cities. I forget the city in South Carolina. It's outside one of the big cities. It's RIMO R-I-M-O police department in South.
Speaker 1:Carolina, oh my God. And he gets other people on the department involved in that bullshit and I sit there and I'm just like what Buddy's is over there by you guys too.
Speaker 2:That Texas cop guy, texas cop, texas cop 2.0 is another one. He's a black dude, wears a cowboy hat. He's somewhere in Texas. I'll have to look that one up, you look him up. There's like a gaggle of them that get together and make their little like four-man videos and there it's bad. Yeah, texas, cop 2.0.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I am. I'm not a fan of any of that bullshit, I'm. I like the education side, that that.
Speaker 10:Will be thinking that that is like community engagement. I'm good, breathing and gap I'm like. Here's my confession.
Speaker 2:I actually made tick tocks from 20 december 2020 to december of 2020 till about march, april, and I was actually ended up in the daily mail like all over the nation and the world. I was going through it and why? And people throw that in my face and I say it's the. I'm accountable for the fact that I know that I was doing the wrong thing. I stopped doing it. And they say why are you so hard on them? And you did it.
Speaker 2:Because I know what they're thinking and they think they're like you were just saying they think it's community engagement. No, and like Izzo says it best, it's a dopamine dump. It's like a drug. It's a dopamine dump of fame and a little bit of fame and a little bit of clout and a little bit of engagement and it sends their dopamine levels sky high and they become addicted to it. And then they stop doing their job and I see females interviewing Haley that talk about their law enforcement. It's a segue to like a makeup career and they're just here for a little while, like and they're making tick tocks like to push the makeup business while they're on duty and it's like what are you doing and how does?
Speaker 2:an agency tolerate that I got hammered at my agency I didn't really get in trouble, I didn't make any real policies, but they were hard on me and it really smacked me in the face. Like dude, you're an idiot. Like I was an absolute moron and I'm not proud of it. I, I dude. Somebody came at me with one the other day where I'm wearing a fucking wig and I'm like that's a good one, that's a I was bad man, but I wear I own it.
Speaker 2:I confess I am, I was a moron and I had a bad run there, and who better to tell you that you're fucked up than somebody who did it and doesn't do it anymore?
Speaker 1:oh shit, you don't know who is. Oh, is Tim. Let me share. Go to my page and then just play that one of my podcasts.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, Let me do that. Good call. Oh, you got to go to my podcast page.
Speaker 1:I will Let me see here he be on shit I ain't going to lie, he be fine.
Speaker 10:I think he was on me before.
Speaker 1:I think he was too. Let me see.
Speaker 10:Did. Let's see. Did he get on you, I think. So I don't give a fuck. But yeah, I think he did on something I posted.
Speaker 1:Okay, I am on Copville. Is it under a reel?
Speaker 2:It's under my locked up page, the other page. Yeah, yeah, I'm on that, You'll see the last couple reels are counterculture. You'll see the background. The last couple, which one do you want? The first one's pretty good, this one yeah, that's a quick one we have policy creation where you can't ostracize, you can't bully, you can't.
Speaker 5:If we bullied more, if we browbeat, hey you fat piece of shit, go fucking work out. If we took the job seriously, because you know exactly how training is, hey you got a recertification today on your fucking OC spray. Okay, fill out the paperwork, do whatever. You fuck around for four hours. You got policy creation where you can't ostracize, you can't bull, you can't.
Speaker 2:That's it and the other one's a little longer. But you know what he's. What he's getting at there is when I came in you got bullied and some of it went a little too far, but I think it was better than where now you can't say anything. And yeah, we had our zones and if you left your zone some senior guy would walk up to you and say, hey, dude, you leave your fucking zone again. You know you're fucked like you're not. Don't do that, handle your call. You don't handle a call. Guy walk up to you and say, hey, motherfucker, handle your calls, stop right.
Speaker 2:I started my first midnight shift in uh, veer beach police department. I worked with all old birds. They were all old I, I'm 23, fresh out of the Army, fresh out of the Academy, and the first thing they told me was if you talk on the radio after 2 am, we'll fucking kill you. They all went to a donut shop. Like the typical stereotype. It was called Tasty-O Donuts. 2 am every cop in the town was in the donut shop eating donuts and drinking coffee and I was told not to talk on the radio. Damn, that's not right. But he's getting that bullying and and and to say call people out for what it is.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, I like uh, I caught a lot of fun for being friends with him and and it's.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things, man I. I don't agree with everything, but he's right. He's right about a lot of things. It just comes off he comes off aggressive and he says what's on his mind.
Speaker 1:But you need people like that yeah, I, I I'm friends with him.
Speaker 2:I'll tell people straight up he's my friend, I talk flack within the counterculture group and and just people in general. Hey, man, I'm defending you from. I'm like you can fucking defend me. I'll be friends with who I want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I look at him like I'd rather have a guy not scared to say it than just people sit around, just go with the flow. Like he brings an alternate opinion and it's not always right, but it's he's. He makes a case for himself and he and um, I like it, I like how he like I said he's a good fit to this narrative of of all the people that kind of have a voice in law enforcement right now. He's a good fit by saying the things that some people won't, even if it's not right all the way he says it and then people can discuss it. And his passion, honestly, his passion at the core because I talked to him personally is to make cops better. He's done, he did, yes, mistakes, he got fired, all that stuff he did dumb, and he admits it. He holds it, puts it right out front but then says if I can make one cop better, it's a win yeah, and and and that's.
Speaker 1:I try to tell people I'm like the personality that you see online when I talk to him offline it's. It's not exactly the same guy, but the the motivation is always the same great fucking dude man he's yeah, he's a good dude dude he has.
Speaker 2:He's a very intelligent man. He's very good. He's a good dude. He's a loyal dude. He's a very intelligent man. He's very good with marketing. He's very good with tech. He's very smart. Yeah, I actually invited him His voice turned a lot of people off.
Speaker 1:I invited him tonight when I knew you were going to be on and I was like, hey, he does his. I said, if you got cotville coming on, if you're, if you're interested, and he's like, he's like, oh yeah, he's a good dude. He's a good dude. He's like, uh, he's like, just he, what he told me, he goes with him, he goes if you have a stance. Don't flip-flop on him, stick your ground like I Like.
Speaker 1:I said I hate the term flip-flopper. I am a. I will let you win me over. If you give me a good argument, I'll be like oh shit, I didn't think of it that way. That's a good call, I'm that type of guy. So, but I'll tell you like, okay, I didn't think of it that way. Good call, mr Billfold, as we're talking about him and a lot of women.
Speaker 1:A lot of women don't like dominic and that's oh yeah, they definitely don't. But and that's one of the things I disagree with him on I've, like I said, I've had very good experiences with female officers. So sit there and say that I don't think females should be cops, that's not me. I I think they should the good ones. Same with guy cops. There's some guy cops. I'm like you shouldn't't be a cop dude, have you ever?
Speaker 2:and anybody who doesn't? And it's hard to listen to, but even as a female I get it. But his explanation almost goes back to what we just talked about at the beginning with the military, about why, right he gets into, men by nature will defend women differently than they'll defend men, and sometimes the forces go a little further. I had a lieutenant that I worked with that he just was obsessed with every female and it was just like obvious and it was like but I don't blame the females either, you don't. You don't deserve to be treated like that and men should control themselves. And again, my wife was the one that turned around to iso and she's a huge fan of his and she's a female cop.
Speaker 1:so yeah, yep, no, you guys should definitely be checking, checking out iso, for sure. And he's called, like he's, he has literally made a video calling me out because he didn't agree with what I said. But Izzo's a class act. He said listen, this is just one stance of Eric's that I don't agree with. I like all these other things. Yeah, we went out about.
Speaker 2:I disagree with him about female cops as well, and we went back and forth. We had our conversation about it. I will tell you, as these videos keep coming out. He's moving the. He's winning you over Not all the way, but he's making some very good points. If you get past the fact that he uses the C word and he says things like that and he comes if you listen to what he says, what's the C word?
Speaker 2:C-U-N or I'm not saying it, I'm not saying my house I really don't say it that, but he does, he says things and you're just like, oh, boy and and, but yeah, I, I, I respect the opinion in the room because it generates, if anything, it generates, conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah mr bill fucking with me. Uh, banning. What do you got to say, sir?
Speaker 6:you've been on a few times with iso on here I mean, I don't have any problems with iso, you know, that's what I love about the freaking amazing country we're in. Get your opinion and you can put your opinion out there. I'm gonna tell you I've worked with some badass uh female officers and I've worked with not so badass female officers, but the coin is the same on both sides. I've worked with some badass dude officers and I've worked with some piece of shit, you know it's the same you know, pass the standard or don't.
Speaker 6:If you don't pass the standard, well, go somewhere else, somebody else no, I just threw him on and dom.
Speaker 2:Here's the other thing. Dominic doesn't talk out of his ass and he's very educated. Yeah, so if you're gonna come at him, he will over research everything and have a very and that's part of his ego. He doesn't like to be wrong, he doesn't want to be, he wants to win and he doesn't do it at reckless cost. He does it at studying the topic and being very educated on it. To make this point, come across.
Speaker 1:Agreed, alan. You got anything to add?
Speaker 4:buddy, no sir, uh, uh, just uh, we did come up with an idea for retro rifle the fourth of july.
Speaker 1:G strings okay, we could do the same ones that they did on the saturday night live skit with a welfare.
Speaker 4:That would be great. Yeah, shirts we were talking about.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 4:We could do DWI dance, you know, or?
Speaker 6:right, and I, I like. I like floss for my teeth, Not not your butt crack.
Speaker 1:All right, let's go. I got one video left so I want to get to that video. Because we are man, we have been plugging along, so I am going to share this screen Share. We're going to biggie size Bow, unmute and play, all right.
Speaker 2:Hi is there an armed?
Speaker 1:robbery going down didn't I just do this one I think I know what happens in this one, yeah I think I just did this one, yeah son of a bitch um what's this one we did, that one we did oh, I lie, we're through all the videos hey, did you have that video?
Speaker 4:I sent you yesterday on your phone.
Speaker 1:Which one?
Speaker 4:The horse, we can end it with a good video.
Speaker 1:Did you send?
Speaker 4:I texted to you.
Speaker 1:I thought Let me see here Did you text it like directly I don't remember. I don't know either.
Speaker 4:They may have been with a group.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If you can.
Speaker 4:Because it was great, I mean.
Speaker 1:I know, but the problem is going to be getting it on here. It was a tick tock right and freaking.
Speaker 6:Mr billfold just said he took a five hour nap for this uh live stream, so I'm sure you can get on youtube and I mean, if we've got the people that want to see some more. I'm not sure what cop bill's schedule is. I don't want to impede on that, but cop bills about out of gas.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 4:I found it. It rolls like three, three and a half hours. So, like some of us are like dude, we got to go to the restroom. Man.
Speaker 1:Right, all right, here's a. We'll do this as a closing video here. This is out of Modesto, and I did think this was pretty fucking funny because I know this dance. I don't like the. I'm down the horse is okay. I'm down with the horse that's great as a person who's ridden horses quite a bit, I can tell you the horse is not happy he's pissed he's not happy about what he's being forced to do right now because his ears are pinned he's about to do the hip turn.
Speaker 4:So if you're anywhere near in a crowd and you see that hip start to turn, you better be moving yeah, yeah, horses he's coming around they are such great, uh, crowd controllers.
Speaker 1:I will give him that yeah so, um, before we go, I want everybody again. Uh, copville, could you let people know how to find you? Uh?
Speaker 2:instagram at copville og. Website is wwwcopvilleogcom. Instagram is. I'm sorry, youtube is youtubecom. Slash at copville og and um, I appreciate you guys having me on. Oh yeah, bro, you like bad memes and uh, loud opinion and all that stuff. You love it and uh, I drop my um podcast come out every wednesday at noon on youtube, spotify and apple podcast hell yeah, guys, make sure you go give him a like, a follow, all that good stuff is uh iso yes, yeah, go, make sure you guys also say what's up to Izzo.
Speaker 1:Follow him Please for us, everybody that's dropped some memberships tonight and all that stuff. Thank you, harrison Braugh. Constitutional Country Girl. If you can't support us financially which we get, and we're not pushing that at all do it for free. Just follow, like subscribe. Um, if you like what we're doing, the content we're putting out, it does go a long way with what we're doing and helps us out more than you know. So thank you guys, everybody for tuning in tonight. Uh, banny, you got any closing words, sir?
Speaker 6:No, I just appreciate everybody here, even the ones that don't enjoy law enforcement. That's what we're here for. We're here for the entire entire crew. We say it every podcast. We're not an echo chamber, we're not. We're not belting this with a patrol uniform on. This is, this is day in the life, and we try to share what law enforcement does and we appreciate all the comments.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got anything Alan.
Speaker 4:No, I appreciate everybody being here tonight. Look for us. We're going to start trying to share some of this vertically as well next week.
Speaker 1:So and what we mean by that is TikTok and Instagram, because their platforms are vertical.
Speaker 10:So, trey rookie, you get to go last nah, I mean, I appreciate everybody, and Kyle Bill too. Thank you for jumping on, bro appreciate it man even for you specifically, bro. I think I feel like you probably don't reveal yourself as like a genuine dude on instagram, but even just through this conversation, bro, like I could tell that that's definitely the case.
Speaker 2:So I appreciate it. I try I play the the copville thing up a little bit and if, if you watch my podcast, I'm actually very calm and very I'm going to check, I'm going to check it out, don't forget to check out counterculture as well. That's in my bio.
Speaker 10:I've been looking at the counterculture thing for a minute.
Speaker 1:Yep, good, yeah, yep, and the antiut Shop podcast. Who else can we shout out? Eric Tansey, with the Eric Tansey official, is another guy Shit Anybody? I can't think of Gizzo. Yep, dominic Gizzo, make sure you check him out. A bunch of good material, guys, and good takes on police work. Everybody in the chat or, I'm sorry, in the actual podcast, all my people here on the panel stick around real quick while we end this and everybody else. Thank you for tuning in. We will provide this audio on our podcast later on this week. Thank you for tuning in and take it easy. Appreciate it, take care, thank you.
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