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Two Cops One Donut
Two Cops, One Raccoon: When Pets Take the Evidence
Ever wonder what happens when a pet raccoon steals a meth pipe during a routine traffic stop? Or how officers balance crisis intervention with protecting potential victims? This eye-opening conversation with Ray Beshirs—23-year law enforcement veteran, defensive tactics expert, and founder of Blue Shield Tactical Systems—takes you behind the badge to explore the complex realities facing modern policing.
Ray brings his extensive experience as a former internal affairs supervisor, crimes against children investigator, and martial arts expert to shed light on the critical importance of proper training. We dive deep into the nuances of de-escalation, challenging the common misconception that it's solely about talking someone down. As Ray explains, effective de-escalation often requires appropriate physical intervention to prevent escalation to deadlier force options.
The highlight of our discussion comes through analyzing never-before-seen police body camera footage. From the surreal moment when an officer discovers a raccoon playing with drug paraphernalia to the heart-stopping rescue of a choking child, these real-world scenarios showcase the unpredictable nature of police work. Most poignantly, we examine a domestic disturbance call that reveals how conflicting training protocols—crisis intervention versus standard emergency response—can create impossible situations for officers with tragic outcomes.
Throughout our conversation, we tackle tough questions about police accountability, the legal duty to protect, and the challenge of making split-second decisions with limited information. Ray's insights on training methodologies, including his work with the DOJ COPS grant program, offer a roadmap for how policing might evolve to better serve communities while protecting officers.
Whether you're in law enforcement, interested in criminal justice reform, or simply curious about what officers really face on the job, this episode bridges the gap between police and public understanding. Join us for this frank, informative discussion that goes beyond headlines to explore the human side of the badge.
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Disclaimer Welcome to Two Cops One Donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guest's opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I am your host, eric Levine, and with me, as always, banning Sweatland and our special guest, ray Beshears. Am I saying that correctly, sir?
Speaker 2:It's close enough, sounds good to me. How do you say it? It's? Well, yeah, it's Beshears Beshe, sir, it's close enough, sounds good to me. How do you say it? Well, yeah, it's Bashir's, bashir's. Okay, good enough.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, ray is a retired cop and now runs what you see under his name right there Blue Shield Tactical. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about a little bit of Ray's background and all that good stuff, and then we're going to get into the comments. I'm going to be seeing what you guys got going on and then from there you guys know why you really showed up. We're going to talk about police body cams that we have never watched and kind of dig into those live with you guys so you can ask questions and we pretend like we're the officers in the body cam video and kind of give you a little insight behind police training. So you guys can ask questions of why would you do that and why don't cops do it this way, and you guys know how it is. Education bridge that gap. That's what we're looking to do. So, uh, the floor is yours, ray. Give people a little bit of background about yourself and tell them who you are sure, I was a law enforcement officer for 23 years.
Speaker 2:I worked in in the DFW Metroplex and I was a supervisor of internal affairs. I retired as a supervisor on patrol. I worked crimes against children for three years. I was a member of the Tarrant County Child Abduction Response Team. I'm a second degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I'm a brown belt in Krav Maga. I'm the founder of Blue Shield Tactical Systems that we started in 2014. Founder of Blue Shield Tactical Systems that we started in 2014. It's been growing. It's very successful. We teach for the DOJ COPS grant as well, for de-escalation across the United States. And, yeah, I enjoy what I do.
Speaker 1:I like it Now. While you were in patrol, what was your top specialty, Like what was your favorite thing that you did in police work?
Speaker 2:You know I actually, as force patrol you know it's not like I concentrated on drugs or anything like that I really like to catch them, like if I could catch someone breaking into something, a burglar, I mean. That was the big thing for me.
Speaker 1:My guy.
Speaker 2:I would creep around at night and I would look to see if I couldn't find someone breaking into something. That was kind of. You know, I enjoyed that more than anything. And then, uh, when I worked crimes against children, that uh, that was very rewarding. You know, uh, that field, of course it's taxing at the same time, but rewarding.
Speaker 1:What's something that you can tell our audience, um, about crimes against children that may help them? Is there any like signs or symptoms or something like that that you can tell them to look out for? Cause I, from my understanding, I've never worked crimes against children, but from my understanding, a lot of times it's somebody in their own family and there's signs there that people miss.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the vast majority. But if you have an adult, that's a you know, uncle, a family member, that's it's the vast majority. But if you have an adult, that's you know, uncle, a family member that's wanting to spend alone time with a child, that may be a sign. It doesn't mean, you know, you can't just necessarily point at one thing and say, hey, here's what you need to look for. But you're right, most of the times it's going to be a family member that they're. You know.
Speaker 2:Now we have the online issues that come about and you know they need to be aware of what the kids are signing on to. Who are they, who are they chatting with? Because sometimes it's not a kid, it's an adult and they're looking to find out information. It's just like when they post online about you know, their child and put the child's name on there. They put that they're going to these ball games and where they're playing soccer at, or whatever it may be. That starts to become useful information for someone who's a pedophile, who's online looking to make a connection with your child.
Speaker 1:Ooh, okay, I didn't even think about that, to be honest Not that I do that, but yeah, that was not something I really considered. Again, I don't think like a fucking sicko and think, how am I going to creep on a kid? So I guess that makes sense. Acorn, already coming out the gate hot, let's highlight this man right now for being so generous as to donating five memberships to the Two Cops One Donut YouTube channel. That money directly helps the channel. So, acorn, appreciate you. Brother. Love the name. I'm not sure if you're picking up on it, ray, but that name the Acorn Mag Dump is an homage to the officer who thought the acorn's falling on the police car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm very familiar with that video.
Speaker 1:So I always get a kick out of that when I see that. But um, harrison brock said two cops, one donut sometimes is also a family friend, correct? That is correct. Talking about these sickos out there, um, that's why I couldn't work that. Uh, I I have friends that have been working crimes against children for well over five plus years and I know people that have done it their almost entire career. I don't know how you guys mentally handle that. How do you mentally handle that, ray?
Speaker 2:You know it's like anything else in law enforcement. You kind of have to turn off the switch sometimes. Anything else in law enforcement you kind of have to turn off the switch sometimes and, you know, kind of pull yourself back away from it and realize that I have a job to do. It's a very serious job and if I turn on the emotional switch and become involved in it that way, even though it's difficult to do, to not do that, then it takes part of you and that's why I could only do it. For three years I got to the point in my career where I wanted to reach across the desk and choke the life out of this person that was sitting across from me and I told my wife. I said, if I'm getting to that point in my life, I need to step away from this and not do that, because I'm not serving anyone at that point.
Speaker 1:Right Banning. Did you have any experience with that stuff?
Speaker 4:Having to transport some folks to the PD for questioning, for people like Ray sometimes, and, man, you wouldn't believe how many deer appear in the middle of the city.
Speaker 1:You know, joking aside, it's very tough to be around somebody like that and uphold certain things. So, yeah, yeah. So for those wondering the joke behind deer or popping out in the roadway, you have your, your partition between the police driver in the police car and the bad guy that's in the back seat. That's usually cuffed up and properly buckled in yeah, seat belted in.
Speaker 1:Well, some of these uh guys like to figure out a way to get out of their seat belt or get the cuffs in front of them and they'll put their face right up next to the glass that's in between, or the hard plastic, and so you know if squirrels and dogs or whatever, happen to jump out in front of your car and you have to hit the brakes real hard.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, they have to suffer the consequences for you trying to keep them safe and not get an accident. They end up hitting their face against them and again that was just a little little humor.
Speaker 1:That's jokes, guys. Relax now. I fully admit I do know cops in the 90s that probably did that shit. But yeah, that's old school, old school shit. Tom Smith on what's up? Brother, he's always jumping on saying what's going on Talking to Tom over here today. Good people, nice, nice. You know, if it wasn't for that thick New York accent, I don't know what I would think about when I'm making love to my wife. So that's for you, tommy, I got you. Buddy, don't worry, the tequila's hitting hard. Are you drinking tequila tonight? I am.
Speaker 4:I'm just I'm boring tonight I'm sipping on some Gatorade, yeah you lie.
Speaker 1:You lie like a dog. I'm drinking. I got another drink over here here, but it's just beer. I'm drinking suavecito, so try that out. Um summertime I like to switch over to tequila.
Speaker 2:What you got, ray well that, oh no, it's nothing but pepsi baby, that's all it is if I were to drink alcohol after teaching all day and come up here and be with you guys and drink alcohol, who knows what would come out of my mouth.
Speaker 1:All right, that's what I'm talking about. That's the way I want to see.
Speaker 4:Hey, don't. Hey, I'm the dude. Could have walked in here with a coconut and a straw in it. You never know, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I do, I do like my coconut water yeah.
Speaker 4:I got. I got a picture of that somewhere I still drink it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like uh, I like coconut water too, myself. Um, now, yeah me, uh, this is what's been going on with me guys, um, the last two days. So, for those that don't know, I got a new position within my department. Um, I will no longer be on the streets, I am going to be in the real time crime center. So that's going to be my new job. I will still be working nights, but for the next two or three weeks I'm going to be training on days. So my schedule is all jacked up. And on top of that, monday and Tuesday, today I had to do alert training, and alert training is like how to respond to active shooters, and this course had since been updated, since Uvalde. So I got to learn a lot about the things and stuff that happened in Uvalde, um, that I didn't know and where it went wrong and how we've adjusted and, you know, made things better from there and, uh, so it was really good training.
Speaker 1:Um, we did a lot of sim rounds where you shoot each other with these little paint bullets and they hurt, um, luckily, the teams that I was with. We did, we did pretty well. We didn't, we didn't get hit. Um, I didn't get hit. Some of them got hit, but I didn't get hit, so good stuff. Uh, acorn mag dump said Eric, I'm really working at getting smoke wagon to sponsor this. This not helping, hey, man, I gave him a good run, four years of this show. I gave him a good run like summertime. I'm switching over to some tequila, like they. They didn't appreciate what I had, so it is what it is us. Brad says you want some cheese with that wine, eric, I know right, I am being a whiner.
Speaker 2:fair enough, I'm actually a fan of the captain morgan myself oh, you and my wife would get along.
Speaker 1:That's what she drinks, captain morgan, and coke zero yeah, exactly yeah, that's a drink, you know, and if she can find a little bit of lime in there with it. So oh yeah, yeah, yeah, um, I I don't mind rums, I'm. I like things straight though, uh, with an ice cube. So I find sipping tequilas, sipping bourbons, sipping whiskeys sipping rums, that special ice cube maker though right I do, yeah, this thing, well, I might be able to sip in my 20s, but now I'm down 50.
Speaker 2:Uh, sipping is no longer an option no, no my stomach can't take it. Oh okay, fair enough. Yeah, sipping is no longer an option for me, at least not straight.
Speaker 1:Mr Bill is on and I want to say hello to him, but I want to put out there that he created a new drinking game that any time Steve Ladner jumps on and says self-proclaimed heroes or what was the other one, bill, um, I can't remember the other part, but anytime he says that you guys got to take a drink, uh, just like every time, marine blood doesn't get a account. Uh, membership, you guys got a drink, so we got drinking games on the show. Uh, they just kind of developed on their own so. So I love it, but all right. So, guys, we're 12, 15 minutes in Bannon. You got any updates with you? What's going on, what you got planned for the TCOD?
Speaker 4:crowd? No man. I'm heading out to Arizona later this month. Okay, probably see my boy, frank, and I'm going to try to swing over and say hello to Mark Lamb while I'm there. Okay, I've got some business stuff going with Mark 43 out there. It's going to be a good time. Anytime I travel for the company I work for, it's an outstanding time and there's no better company to work for?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Harrison Brock, how many non-members are watching the stream before I start doing memberships? I have no idea, brother. I don't know how to tell those type of numbers. So Anthony Myatt jumped on. He said I'm in. It looks like he paired off of yours there, Banning. I don't know if no. Okay, I was just checking to see if Ray linked his LinkedIn. So, Ray, you also have your Blue Shield Tactical. So, since this show is about education and how we like to point out on here when officers do really good things, we also point out when officers do bad things, and most of the time we can point towards the big elephant in the room and that's training. Training is a lot to do with when officers screw up. I think ego is another big thing that falls into place. When officers screw up, you know not having confidence in their training and reverting to the ego. So those are things that I like to point out. But you've got Blue Shield Tactical Systems. I'm going to pull that up. Can you explain why you created this and what it does?
Speaker 2:Well, we're a tactical-based company. Obviously it's in the name itself, but we specialize in defensive tactics training. We do search and entry for patrol. We teach for the DOJ COPS grant for de-escalation. Our instructor for that is Jason Taylor. He's a subject matter expert for the state of Missouri for de-escalation training and we teach leadership with just a little bit of everything. At one point we taught drones as well. We no longer offer drone training because that's just an expanding segment of law enforcement that's moving so fast and the technology is changing on a regular basis. But yeah, we offer active shooter training, matter of fact. You just mentioned alert and some of the training there, but we offer single officer active shooter training and we also offer an instructor course for civilians when it comes to active shooter training as well.
Speaker 2:So that way they can train their local church or their local business, those kinds of things.
Speaker 1:Nice. Now the stuff that they learn so let's say, a cop were to get this is all the stuff they learn in their course. Is that the only time they can get a hold of that instruction? Or is there videos and books? Sure.
Speaker 2:We provide an illustrated instructor manual that comes with photos. It has arrows on what to do. It has a little suggestion boxes on teaching. We don't just teach technique, we teach you how to be a better instructor, and so that's what we focus on. Also, the articulation of force, which is extremely important. I mean, you can go and teach technique, but it's just a tool. You have to learn now. When can I use that technique? When can I, when can I do this?
Speaker 1:Okay, legally Excellent. Okay, and you got a list of all the departments you've trained. I like it Very cool, awesome. So if a department wants to get a hold of you and wants to get some training or check out or get some questions answered, do they just reach out here on the website?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they just go through blueshieldtacticalcom and just email us from there. We provide two free slots for hosting, so it doesn't cost your agency anything to host. Most companies do that or something very similar. Free slots for hosting, so it doesn't cost your agency anything to host. There's most companies do that or something very similar. And then we make sure that all the training is reported to the state. For TCOLE or like in the state of Missouri, we replaced PPCT. We're now in two different police academies there in the state of Missouri where they only teach blue shield defensive tactics, and so that's growing as well. We're in North Dakota right now, or at least I'm in North Dakota. That's what's behind me. This is not something I would have. This is a hotel room. I'm sitting in Okay.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I'm in here in North Dakota right now teaching this week, and then we'll be headed to Colorado after that.
Speaker 1:Okay, very nice. Yeah Well, so you're actually one of those people that are physically out there teaching and training, um, when it's your specialty, correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I uh, I started the company from from nothing and built it up, my and we've been in business now for uh 12 years, so it's it's been quite some time and uh, but, but teaching is my passion.
Speaker 2:Teaching is what I enjoy, you know, and that's the thing about how many you and I both know, and I'm sure all three of us can attest to this we know people in law enforcement that go and get an instructor license, instructor certification Right, but actually never teach anything Right. So we, we have people that come to our course and that's what we want them to do is go back and better their agencies, and we want them to teach. So, you know, teaching is a scary thing, though, too, for a lot of people, because it's new to them and when they have to get up in front of people and they're afraid of judgment, you know, and speaking, and so it's extremely important to get past that and teach them how to be better instructors and relay that message to their agency and get them to where they start training on a regular basis.
Speaker 1:I like it. Before I press, I got a couple of questions. One's going to be for Banning, but thank you, magdump, for your second membership purchases. You did another five Guess who did not get one Marine Bloods. So everybody drink. Look, ray was already on top of it. He's like I got you, um, slam this Pepsi, uh. But Magdump said we really need to grow this channel. I want to see 50,000 subscribers like humbly. That would be amazing. I would love to see that, um, but that can only happen, uh, with your guys' help. So if you can get one person like that, that really does help us do what we're doing. But I would like to see 50,000 rooted, loyal people that are here just because they believe in the cause, not because they're just trying to give us a number, because I think we're sitting at almost 14,000 right now and I think we have a really cool core crowd. So let's just keep.
Speaker 4:What's the Instagram sitting at now?
Speaker 1:Instagram's at 151,000, almost 152. Facebook is at about 115,000. So we've got a lot of followers on our social media platforms. We've got to convert them over to the YouTube channel. So that would be really nice, but no, I appreciate it. Now, as far as instruction goes, ray, I want you to tell me, along with you, benny, benny, have you been an instructor before I take it? You have, yeah, I'm a T-coach. Okay, so I found like, especially with jiu-jitsu, when I started to teach it, I became so much better at it Not teaching, I did get better at teaching, but I became better at jiu-jitsu because I was learning it in a different way that I didn't expect. And it was the same with police work when I became an academy instructor. So Banning did.
Speaker 4:It was the same with police work when I became a um academy instructor. So, banning, did you find the same thing when you started teaching? Yeah, for me it was always rehearsing the night before going through whatever core curriculum class, to, to clearing a building, to, to what have you? Uh, with the nonprofit I have, and you know, it's just yes, because I'm slowing myself down and it's repetitive motion. If it's something physical or if it's knowledge based, you know reading it over and over and over again just to re-instill it. And you know, if you.
Speaker 4:You know, in the state of Texas, if you're going to be a TECO instructor, you're considered the master of said subject and there's always going to be somebody else that knows it more. But if I'm going to be up in front of a class teaching something, I want to be able to answer those questions when the hands come up, or after class discussions or during a break. I don't want to say, um, let me get back to you. I want to know as much as I can. So, yes, becoming an instructor for each subject or any subject that I taught, I became more. I'll never call myself a master in anything, but I'll be better and better each time I do it.
Speaker 1:You can't even say master bedroom anymore. I heard that's a new thing. You can't say that, that's wrong.
Speaker 2:So that simply needs to provide me a list of all the new pc words I know all the things I can say I mean, my entire childhood's been destroyed by pc.
Speaker 1:Like I can't say a lot of yeah, yeah, I agree, uh. But, ray, what's your thoughts on teaching versus? You know when you were learning?
Speaker 2:You know, they kind of go hand in hand. I mean you have to be a good student to be a good teacher, I think, and I still learn. I learn from my students when I teach as well and but's also about. It's about building that rapport, you know, with your students and so where they get to, where they trust you. It's like I tell officers that come through our defensive tactics instructor courses and go back to their agencies, I said I'm very fortunate to be able to teach you. I said because you signed up and want to be here, right? I said, but when you go back to your agency, they don't want to be there. There's so many of them that don't want to show up to training and don't want to do it.
Speaker 2:I said so there's the key to be able to build that rapport. So they're having fun in defensive tactics. They see it as something that they can get a buy-in into. And now they want to go out and they want to use it. I said and then, when they do use it? Because what are we all afraid of? You know, when we go to a martial arts or any kind of martial arts class or or defensive tactics class in a law enforcement setting. You're afraid of being injured. You're afraid of. You're afraid of being demeaned.
Speaker 2:You're afraid of looking like you like, you can't perform in front of your peers. Those are all fears that come up because we're all human beings and at the end of the day, we can reduce those fears down for the people that come into our classroom and now we can say look in here, we're not here to hurt you, we're not here to demean you, we're not here to make you feel less than.
Speaker 1:And then now, when they go back, hopefully they're going to regurgitate that same attitude to their students, and so I think it's you know you get back what you put out into the world, you know, yeah, now I'm curious in your training of all these police officers across the country and your time in as a police officer yourself, we see these issues in policing, especially when it comes to use of force. You'll see excessive use of force, you'll see a failure to engage. That's something that I've covered more recently. We've pushed de-escalation so hard at some departments that their culture has become that de-escalation push. And now you see them getting hurt because they're not engaging, they're not seeing the signs. They haven't seen that it's time for business, as I like to put it, and it's time to handle up.
Speaker 1:And they're still sir-sandwiching, sir-sir-lady. They're trying to show that they have overtly tried to de-escalate and it's getting them hurt or it's causing them to use a higher use of force. And then you see other departments where the culture is different, where they may be a little too heavy-handed and they need some de-escalation training from Blue Shield Tactical Systems. And so I'm curious with you and all of these departments what's the overall vibe that you're getting with the current push for the de-escalation training? And, like what me and Banning have discussed over the years, is that's verbal judo that's repackaged and pushed out, but what has your vibe been?
Speaker 2:And what problems and good things have you seen? Well, you know I agree with you. A shout out to Dr Thompson. He's the one that came up with Verbal Judo and was groundbreaking in that. And you know you're right, it's not reinventing the wheel at all. A lot of the things that are from verbal judo are probably in most of the de-escalation programs that are out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think here's the problem too a lot of officers, when they look at de-escalation, and even civilians and people out there in the community when they're looking at that, they they look at it as somewhat of a magic bullet. If I just talk to the person, then I'm going to be able to calm the situation. And but that also takes the other person on the other end being willing to listen to what you have to say, being willing to try to, you know, to buy in, to not resist, to not use force against the officer, not, you know, to put themselves in that situation. But here's the biggest problem I think that exists when it comes to the law enforcement side as well is that we look at de-escalation as a verbal only thing, when it's really not.
Speaker 2:De-escalation is also the appropriate amount of force, used at the appropriate time that de-escalates the situation so that a higher level of force is not used. And so what I mean is, if we use force when we should, when we realize that you know physical force is needed now, we avoid having to hopefully shoot this person and to use an extremely high level of force or the highest that we have, by just using force, by taking them down maybe when we need to, if the verbal aspect of it it's not working. So I think that's a big misnomer is that it's only verbal. Just like if I went into someone's, if I went into a school where where someone was killing kids and I shot and killed this person and stop them from killing your child, I deescalated the situation. I just didn't use the verbal aspect of it.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, that's a good point. It is. De-escalation in itself isn't just verbal, and the way that I kind of explained it is that I've had to slap. I'm a big fan of the slap. I don't know why Everybody's got their tool, that they their go to. And before I continue, I do want to tell Harrison Brock thank you very much, brother. He helps us out every week. If you guys haven't paid attention, harrison brock buys memberships every week, so I want to give a big thank you to him. He tries, he tries to do like 20 at a time, but for some reason youtube's like no, I'm only gonna let him do five.
Speaker 1:So, uh, but no, you're, you're absolutely right. I want to tell people, like I've told the show, that I've slapped people and taken them down and put them in cuffs and dust them off, and they hadn't touched me. But what they did do was I told them several times put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest. Put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest. They didn't do it. And the next thing I know, they drop their right leg back. I see their fist pumping. I don't want to say clench. People don't just hold their hand like this, but what they will do is they'll do this. I'll see this.
Speaker 1:This is a sign for nobody, for people out there that have never been in a fight. If you see somebody doing this shit with their hand and they're arguing with you, and then you start seeing their, they stop talking and their jaw starts to clench, these are all indicators. They're about to rock your world. So be ready. But me, as a cop, I don't have to wait.
Speaker 1:If I start seeing those signs and I can articulate like this is why I slapped him. Well, guess what? The worst thing he's going to get is that slap and he's going to go to the ground. He might get scraped up a little bit. I'm going to put him in cuffs. Well, guess what? The slap deescalated things because if I allowed him to start swinging and hit me, well, my use of force is going to go up. I'm going to switch over to taser pepper spray baton. Who knows, if he rocks me with a hit I may get so dazed I switch over to my gun because I think I'm going out Like you can't allow that to happen. So a slap can be a de-escalation, because I handled business right then and there, versus trying to talk my way out of it. And it's different with every single call.
Speaker 2:I think also what people don't realize is you can be preemptive, just as a citizen can as well. For instance, I'm retired now I'm no longer in law enforcement, so I'm very fortunate that I don't have to put on a uniform and go out there and deal with some of the things that we've all dealt with in the line of doing that job. But what I'm getting at as a citizen, if I, if I got out of my car, I'm walking into the grocery store and I got a guy starts yelling at me, as long as he's keeping his distance away from me and not coming at me, hey, everything's cool, you can yell at me all day.
Speaker 1:I don't care, but as soon as he starts coming at me and closing the distance.
Speaker 2:He's closing the distance for a reason he's not coming in to hug me, he's closing the distance for a reason. So I can be preemptive and I have the articulation to strike this individual when he comes close enough to me before he strikes me, based on what he's doing and based on him yelling at me and everything else, just as a law enforcement officer can do the same thing if they have an individual who is giving signs of, hey, I'm going to assault you, like you were talking about making a fist and those kind of things, and then yeah, then we can go ahead and use Taser, we can go ahead and use something to de-escalate the situation so we don't have to use that higher level of force.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like Jeff Parrish's comment here because he's outside of law enforcement but he works like law enforcement in a way. He said having worked in a mental health nursing facility for 14 years. I agree, verbal de-escalation does not always work. It's always best to start with Agreed, if time allows. I think that's an important part of that, because sometimes time does not allow.
Speaker 1:Uh, and then centurion tactical said it's very simple ask, tell, then make them. I used to believe that. I used to think that way. Um, and I think that that has been outdated. Um, I agree, I am not.
Speaker 1:If again, it really just depends if I ask and and then I see it's going south really quick, they're closing distance. I keep trying to push them back. I'm going to then tell them and if they start closing the distance, I'm going to make them. Yes, but in certain situations, when it's a 70-year-old lady who's got a little bit of Karen and a little bit off her rocker and she keeps doing that, I'm not going to ask Karen and a little bit off her rocker and she keeps doing that, I'm not going to ask, tell, make a seven year old woman. I'm going to ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, ask and just try my damnedest to to get this person because it's you're not going to win. It doesn't matter what happens, you're not going to win. That if you ask, tell, make on a seven year old lady Banning, you look like you got something to say, buddy.
Speaker 4:No, you, just you have to square it up pretty quick just for everybody that's involved. And some people can say, oh, that's violent or that's you know, and we do it as the least force used to overcome what is coming or what is about to come. A lot of people don't understand that what is about to come when you go to several volatile calls, man, you can make me turn red Volatile calls Sorry.
Speaker 4:You get to start reading people a lot more. I'm sure there's calls that Ray and I have been on where we both had to act quickly before something else were to happen For those who don't know, Ray and I worked together for years, so it was outstanding working next to this gentleman, harrison Brock, said can you tell when someone has neurological disorders?
Speaker 1:It's not that I can look at somebody and go, oh, they have a neurological disorder. I just go something's not right with this guy. I go off the spidey sense and I preach this to cops Like with the hairs on the back of your neck stand up If you're getting a feeling something's off. And one of the critical ones that I like to point out is a Sonia Massey case. You could tell something was off right away. This woman's off her rocker. There's some sort of mental issue going on there. I don't know what it is. I'm not a doctor. Something's not right.
Speaker 1:So in that I would have been gone. I would have left well before that poor lady ever got shot. So um is what it is. Uh. So I would like to say that Mr Billfold's drinking game is often kicking. I've seen it several times, but I'm not giving it any attention. So just know that I'm being strategic. I'm sure Mr Billfold will appreciate that. I see he's posting up there. Drink, he said instead of a slap, do some Miyagi-Do karate. I love it. I'm going to do some Tiger Fang. I don't know if you guys watched. Did you watch? You can do the dim mock. The death, yeah, the death, blow off of.
Speaker 2:Bloodsport.
Speaker 4:Bloodsport, Bloodsport. Do you guys ever watch that McDojo crap that comes out?
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, I love it.
Speaker 4:I get a kick out of it. People send me this stuff and I'm not an expert like what y'all are. I just grab, wrap up and take to the ground. Ray has taught me most of the stuff that I knew in law. Once he started advancing, he started advancing the entire department and tell you what it's been used. You know, even when I left that agency and went to another agency that does no, I think the training at the other agency they went to was just going to buffets. However, you still have to use some training on the street and I was able to take the training that I learned from Ray over the years and continue to use that, so highly recommend it. I wanted to hear that.
Speaker 1:Ray, could you picture his big ass being on the map? I would be pissed.
Speaker 2:He's the size of a house. I would be a black belt.
Speaker 4:Ray has wrapped me up like a friggin' pretzel. I'm going to tell you right now, when I was getting out of K-9 and getting back into patrol, I thought my shit didn't stick. I was like man, I just went through a great career at K-9. I got a lot of dope pops, had a lot of fun. Now I'm getting back into patrol and, like shit, I've got more responsibilities that I've got to retrain myself on ie, dwis, stuff like that normal paperwork, actually transporting prisoners to the jail, shit that I didn't have to deal with for years.
Speaker 4:But then we got to do these classes and I'm going to say the agency that we worked for in North Texas. Let me tell you we got to train more than a lot of other agencies our size, and the officers that only stayed at that agency and didn't really expand their bounds don't realize how good we truly had that. That kept a lot of us alive and if they know it or not, I can tell you that that's kept me alive in situations Now being a deputy out here in rural friggin' nowhere, for a two to three hour response from a backup, the training that I received at that agency uh, kept my heart beating, you know. So I will. I will praise it from the mountaintops that, uh, that every officer needs to go through at least a basic version of it and stay. The big thing is to don't check the box. Go through the training once. Stay friggin consistent with it. You will lose it. You will.
Speaker 2:You have got to stay using it you know, what's funny is I had a guy that several years ago well it's been quite. He had started with us, he was not in martial arts and he came to our defensive tactics instructor class and then when he left that he decided he wanted to get into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and he just now just got his brown belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. But what got him started into training was just coming to our class and having fun and realizing that, hey, this can be fun and it should be Any kind of thing we do in life. If we're enjoying it and we're having fun doing it, man, we're going to want to do it more, you know. And so, yeah, it should be that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just want to point out, ray, you might not know this, but Michelle Jones is my mom, mom and she never misses any of these, uh, these lives, and she said that it doesn't work.
Speaker 1:I used to ask till make eric to clean his room and I just want to tell you when my mom tells me to clean my room, uh, and you don't do it, and you don't do it, and you don't do it. She throws all your shit in the driveway. And I I don't just mean your clothes, I don't just mean you know your, I was in high school. So toys, you know, batting gloves and baseball bats and all that stuff. She threw every fucking thing. I owned, owned Everything. My room was empty Dressers, I mean bed, bed frame. She threw everything in the driveway because I didn't clean my room. She, she asked tell mate? And uh, she got past the make point and uh, yeah, yeah, she threw all my shit outside.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you this I think I was too afraid of my mother. Uh, because if she came in there the second time, she was bringing an ass whipping with her, and so I kind of knew that, hey, if she told me once I better get in there and get started cleaning, otherwise, if she came in again, it was not going to be good for me.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah. So I see some people are mentioning Uvalde in the comments and I just want to say I went through this new alert training, which has been updated since Uvalde, and we learned a little bit that I've never seen in the media. I don't know, I don't know anybody that works there, but one of the things that really fell apart and you guys may know this, you may not, but I just want to put this out there there there was a lull in a misguidance of information. Some officers, when they arrived, they were under the impression it was a barricaded person, which we have different responses for a barricaded person versus an active shooter.
Speaker 1:The way that we have been trained with active shooters is the main focus is stop the killing. So you have to get in there. You have to go in all by yourself or whoever's with you, whatever it is, get in there. Well, when they arrived, there was no shots being fired when they arrived, and then they get in there and they think they're dealing with a barricaded person. Little did they know a lot of the shots had already been fired, there was a lot of injured and dead kids and they didn't know. So they thought they were dealing with a different situation than what they were, and this is why a lot of it falls on the person that was in command, because these this information wasn't being divulged. Now, I'm not going to sit here and be a uvaldi expert. I'm just telling you what I was told um by people that learned and created training based off what happened there. So, um, the training I received, uh, the last two days was amazing and, uh, I feel totally confident in what they're training out there for responses to things like that.
Speaker 1:So, hopefully it never happens again, um, and then, uh, who? Oh, centurion tactical. I think this is the first that I've seen centurion tackle, but he, uh, not the name, but I'm throwing out some gifts. So, thank you, centurion, appreciate that. Uh, again, what you've done has, one, helped people be able to see more of what we do. And two, um, the money goes directly back into the show, doesn't go into banning's pocket, doesn't go into my pocket, goes right back into doing show. It doesn't go into Banning's pocket, it doesn't go into my pocket, it goes right back into doing what we do to help pay for all the software monthly costs of the actual show itself. So I appreciate that. And then I'm looking through the people that got accounts, got memberships, one of which Neva, who's always in the comments talking. Appreciate that person, even though we don't always see eye to eye. And then SF. I've seen comment a few times Eduardo Alonso, not sure I recognize that. So Andy Fletcher told my stepdad I wasn't cleaning my room until I got my breakfast once. I told him that once. That's excellent.
Speaker 1:And Marine Bloods did not get a membership. So you guys know the drill. Love it. Harrison Brock, two Cops, one Donut. What do you think is the training problem in Tennessee where they have had over 700 false DUIs proven by blood tests, and I did hear about that finally Looked into that Fucking crazy. I don't know. I don't know what happened there. I don't know how something that big falls through the cracks, or if that's a training issue, if that's a corruption issue, if that I don't know what that is. I have no answer for you. I would be talking. Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 2:I would tell you, I think that it's a lack of supervision, it's a lack of accountability, because there there is a supervisor that's overseeing this person doing these DUIs and these DUIs whichever one you want to call it in your state yeah, but, and also the accolades that comes with that Understand. There's a lot of these officers, and I'm not saying that this is across the board, but if they're getting accolades from Mothers Against Drunk Driving, they're getting accolades from the different organizations that do great work that are out there right, then they want more. Some of those want more of those accolades, and so they may get to be blur of the line as far as who they arrest, because they want to, you know, to be able to have those that notification or notoriety that comes from being the number one in the state for for DUIs or DWIs.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so we have to kind of move away from that a little bit. Encourage us that to happen, but then oversee and make sure that we're arresting the right people and when we should arrest them. Oversee and make sure that we're arresting the right people and when we should arrest them.
Speaker 1:Yep, steve Ladner. I'm going to read your question, buddy, because you did it nicely. Steve's one of our. He's just one of our trolls that doesn't learn. But when he comes correct, I like to reward correct. And he said why are we expected to pay people huge salaries and benefits if they have no duty to protect anyone but themselves? Now that is true. Supreme Court ruled that officers do not have a duty to protect. Now, with that said, that doesn't make you immune from being fired. I would say at any department, if you fail to protect, you're going to get fired. So there's that In the state of Texas you can be charged. I'm not sure about other states, but in Texas you're going to get fired. So there's that In the state of Texas you can be charged. I'm not sure about other states, but in Texas you can be charged, which I agree with.
Speaker 4:And to add on that and Ray has experience of being in that specific office, that would be the first to look at it, while the DA may be implying to look. But Ray, can you cap it? I know it's been some time, but can you capitalize on some of those possible Texas charges that could come out on uh of not protecting or not doing their job? You know, conduct them, you know whatever you want to go, go over with it.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I think what a lot of people don't realize is there's a process and if you have a complaint against an officer, then you can go through the process and you can, you can file that complaint and you know, even after the investigation is completed you can even ask for a copy of the investigation and you can take a look at it and see. You know what they did, who they spoke to, who they talked to about, you know what happened. And so it's not quickly, it's not overnight by any means. You know we'd like immediate results but you know they have several cases, numerous cases, that they're looking at at the same time and so they'll get to you and your complaint, but it may not be immediately. It just depends on what it is and the seriousness of your complaint that you may have.
Speaker 2:But yeah, even in the state of Texas we're required, you know supervisors are required to pull a video of an officer at a random video and just take a look and just for checks and balances, to make sure that they're doing the right thing. You know, any profession is going to have issues and we all know that, and it's what we do after we find out those issues and we try to correct them and we can correct it with training a lot of times. As long as it's not a character flaw or some kind of ethical issue, then we can correct it that way, hopefully, but otherwise, yeah it's. It's just going to take time and there's a process to make a complaint or an officer if you have an issue, and that's what you should do if you feel an officer has violated your rights in some way or done something they shouldn't have done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nevaeh it. Yeah, um nevaeh I'm. I hope one day she posts like the how do you, when you type out like how something's pronounced?
Speaker 4:what is that called the pronunciation?
Speaker 1:pronunciation. Yeah, I hope she tells me the pronunciation. Is it nevaeh? That kind of that's what I'm seeing in my head. Nevaeh, I actually have a niece named nevaeh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if it's exactly that way, but yeah, okay, so it's an unusual name though.
Speaker 1:But she said and this is kind of an interesting take Well, it's their duty and their oath to uphold the laws of the Constitution of the US and their state. Protecting us is not their job. It's a fair take. Actually, I like that take job. It's a fair take. I actually I like that take.
Speaker 1:Now, when I took the oath twice, I can tell you, because I did it for the military and as a cop, I will tell you that my intention was to put my life on the line. I never thought of it that way and you haven't changed my mind. But I don't want to. I don't want to die. I don't want to have to get in front of a bullet, but Valhalla awaits. That's kind of the way I see it. If I have to run into a school or do what it takes. That's my mentality. I can't say that for every cop. I don't know why you did what you did or what you thought while you were swearing an oath, but for me, even though I get what she's saying mine is to protect with my life if necessary. Magdump said two cops, one donut. Do you agree, personally, that Leo should have no duty to protect? No, I think they should have a duty to protect. I think. I think absolutely, ray. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I mean, yes, all of us that get into law enforcement, hopefully we get into the right for the right reason, like you said, and that is to serve and protect. We put it on our walls, we put it on our patches, we put it on the back of our police cars, and because it is a motto that we all look and want to strive to achieve. And now, does that mean that we can protect everyone? Of course not. I mean, there has to be a level of each person doing something for themselves to protect themselves. You know, the security on their home, or being aware when they're out, moving around, where they are, and, and so, because the police can't always be there.
Speaker 2:And so that's what the Supreme court saying basically is that you, you, you have some level of self-protection that you must do, because they realize that as well, that the police can't always be there to protect you or can't always, you know, put themselves in, in, in, in, in harm's way, to the degree to where they die, and, and, and, and you survive, or whatever it may be. I mean, yeah, we're all willing to do that, and that's why we do what we do, and so, uh, you know, there's just a lot to. It's a tough job. That's what a lot of people don't realize. It's one of the toughest jobs I think in the world to actually do. Uh, you know, because there's so much scrutiny that goes into it as well yeah, uh, she actually said how to say it nevaeh, I think I was.
Speaker 1:I think we're close there. Where did it go? I lost it and it was phonetics, that's that's the word I was looking for. Um, so I appreciate that. Guys, I'm looking through the comments right now, where she actually did the phonetics, phonetics, phonetics, phonetics, phonetics. How am I not seeing it? I just had it. Anyway, nevaeh, I think that's how we say it. I hope I'm saying that correctly.
Speaker 1:But somebody posted I think it was Wade revenue generators, not protectors. There's been too many cases of officers laying down their life for other people for that to even make any sense. So, wade, I know you give us shit on here and keep us on our toes because you bring up a lot of good points good points but on that one, I don't think you're necessarily uh going to win that with me, because I've seen too many officers that have put their life on the line and lost trying to protect people. So, uh, don't agree with you there, sir. Um centurion tactical, I have sat down with columbine survivors and responding officers. The general consensus was never again. How about protect us from bad cops? That would be huge.
Speaker 1:And again, this is one of those things that I wish I could show you what I see, and I know these gentlemen on the board have seen the same thing. But just at my department alone and I say this all the time, I know I'm a broken fucking record, but I've seen officers fired, charged um, every single year that I've been here, and that's been since 2012. You don't hear about it. Why? Because nobody gives a shit when cops are doing what they're supposed to be doing. You only hear about it when it's somewhat controversial. So, um, there's plenty of departments out there doing that they did. It happens all the time. Um, there was just one here recently where, uh, a cop, he got busted with a couple keys in his house and um kilos and they had to go catch him in fucking puerto rico, and that was from an internal investigation. I mean, that's how this shit happens.
Speaker 2:So you know it amazes me sometimes when I hear that. I hear people say that and I'll take it from this point as well that cops don't come from cop planet, they come from this planet, they come from the population. So if all cops are bad, then what's that say about our population? Just like every profession has its issues, guys. I mean, just like Eric just said, you know I've had a good friend of mine that I've had investigate as an internal affairs investigator. You know.
Speaker 2:I did my job to be able to do that and it broke my heart to have to do that, but that's the job we get into. And it broke my heart to have to do that. Yeah, but that's the job we get into. And if one of us does the wrong thing, there's a process and it takes time and we go through that process and if we have to terminate an officer, that's what we do. Yeah, that's just not an overnight thing. They also have a process to even get their job back and that's part of the problem sometimes too.
Speaker 2:Some of those officers could get their job back through a civil service or something like that, and it just, it just really depends. I've seen the good and the bad on both sides of that you know?
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, what was I reading here? Two cops went on. I live in the middle of the county and it'll take a state trooper 30 to 40 minutes to get to my house. Now, that's Banning's expertise, right there.
Speaker 4:Harrison elaborate on that? Do you? You know, I'm not sure what state you live in. We may have had this conversation If we have. I apologize, Talked to a lot of people, but do you have a county sheriff's office or sheriff's department that also responds, or a municipality that assists may have a contract with the county if the county doesn't have a big one? That can also happen, depending on what state you're in. I've even seen tribal police, depending on what state you're in, that will assist city, state and county units outside of their jurisdiction. If they have a clause and an umbrella agreement with the chiefs, that be. So I'm not sure what state and you don't have to put your state in there, but you can say just yes or no. I've got a county sheriff's office and they're too busy with other stuff and I have to rely on the state troopers and if that's the case, I'm sorry that you're going through that their stuff and I have to rely on the state troopers and if that's the case, I'm I'm sorry that you're going through that.
Speaker 1:Yep, eddie yaks in the house. What's up, buddy? Um, okay, so, um, I think we we we're almost at an hour. We haven't watched a single fucking video. So, um, I've been adding these in here lately, some of our um instagram posts that, uh, are the latest and greatest that we've put out. So I'm going to share the screen, we're going to watch this video and we'll discuss a little bit. So, you know, get a little further elaboration on how this did.
Speaker 4:So let's, and, harrison, I see your answer. Thank you for answering that.
Speaker 1:So let's go here, pulled over by police, how you doing man Good how you doing brother.
Speaker 9:It's a weapon in the car. I'm a cpo holder. I got you I appreciate that um nice car, but your place looks fire dude.
Speaker 1:Oh dang, no, I forgot about it I just go day by day registration yeah, license and all that good stuff for me yeah, I got you how's your day going good?
Speaker 9:man feel that I feel like I'm breaking my back trying to bend over.
Speaker 8:Bro, this car is so low. I know I think I've seen this car around before. Is there another like light blue Lamborghini around here? It's probably this one. I come out here a lot. Do you get like?
Speaker 9:different pay, jobs or something. I had a crazy wrap last time. Okay, that's what.
Speaker 7:I'm thinking, yeah, last time, okay, yeah, yeah, if I had a crazy wrapping.
Speaker 9:I'd change it to this one.
Speaker 8:Let me see give your cpl as well yeah okay, yeah, you hold on these two, all right, I'll be right back, all right, for sure just the inconvenience to pay a tax.
Speaker 1:This was another. All right, we'll pause it there. I hate hearing myself. So now, this is one of my favorite videos that I've ever posted. Why? Because one it's a rich dude he owns a Lambo that was a Lamborghini that he was driving around. Two dude he owns a lambo that was a lamborghini that he was driving around. Two it goes against the narrative white cop, black driver he's got a gun. He tells him he's got a gun. Guy doesn't get taken out of the car, he doesn't get disarmed. The officer hands it, handles it professionally. This is how I see 99.9 of traffic stops and for me, seeing that this guy was armed, let him know he's armed and he was in violation and admitted that he was in violation. So we have all these factors together and what ends up happening? A warning lets him go. And they had a great interaction Banning. What do you got? It is.
Speaker 4:A lot of the times people are only going to post something that's negative, and I get it. Is A lot of the times people are only going to post something that's negative, and I get it. There's a lot of negative things that go on across the country, but there's stuff like this going on literally every hour and I'm not going to get in arguments with people, but it does. That was my job. I had to review body camera footage of my guys when I was at the city and when I was at the county and the majority 99.9% of the stuff going on out there and the interactions are amazing. And for this young man that is obviously successful in life and, whatever he does, decided to post this Cause, this, this camera, as y'all can see, is in his car, it's coming from his account and he decided to post a great encounter and I applaud the young man for putting it out online.
Speaker 1:Yup, I love the fact that his biggest gripe at the end was the fact that he doesn't think he should have to pay for his registration. I'm like, bro, you're driving a Lambo, it's a drop in the bucket, oh geez. But, ray, what's your take on that?
Speaker 2:No, I thought it was great. I mean, you're right, most stops are like that. Most stops have that type of interaction. They really do. Most people are polite. Most people don't throw cell phones up in front of our faces and say I'm recording you and those kind of things, which is fine if they do, because we're recording as well. But yeah, I thought it was great. I thought it was great on him to post that. Like Banning said, you know, I mean most people just only want to post the negative. They don't want to post the positive interactions they have, because that doesn't get clicks. You know, right, and uh and uh.
Speaker 1:but I think that what he did should get clicks because that shows what the majority of interactions actually look like with law enforcement yep, yep, I'm giving country girl some shit tonight she's she didn't know what cpl meant and so everybody's telling her and I said I guess she's not very constitutional tonight. Sorry, country girl, I'm just messing. You know the argument that's going to come back on you. On that right, I know they don't need to have a CPL because it's constitutional. I know.
Speaker 1:I know, welcome to Texas. You don't need one. I get it. I'm just giving you shit. All right, don't beat me up. I have a feeling she could, so I'm looking through the. Let's see what Steve had to say. I didn't even read it. Super Trooper seen the camera and knows a man driving a $250,000 car will hire an attorney and make his life miserable. No, not at all. Go to Florida. I think Fletcher said it earlier. Go to florida. They pride themselves in pulling over supercars because florida gets a ton of them and they drive in huge packs and some of them drive little little ass assholish la and las vegas and reno, yeah, yeah, you know nothing that.
Speaker 1:I've never pulled someone over going. Oh my god I bet this guy's got. Yeah, same thing about LA and Las Vegas and Reno. Yeah, yeah, I've never pulled someone over going. Oh my God, I bet this guy's got a really good attorney. Never once in my life done that. I'm always like dude. This guy's driving.
Speaker 1:If I pulled you over, you're doing something I would never do. Let me put it that way, because I'm not a ticket guy. I don't write tickets. If I pulled, pulled you over, you did something I wouldn't do, because I'm not a hypocrite cop. If you were speeding, I speed too, guys. Uh, I'm not pulling you over speeding. Um, now, if you're driving, you know 80 miles an hour in a school zone, well, that's something I wouldn't do. So I'm gonna pull you over. So, um, there are whole channels dedicated to cops snatching supercars. I know, yeah, yeah, of course he would. Yeah, mr Billfold's got all those on his bookmark pages. He's just looking. He's like Levine, check this one out, bro. He lit me up this weekend. I, I'm like man. I wish I cause of that training. I couldn't do shit, like everything you guys saw me post. I had to schedule it. I couldn't. I was wrapped up in training, good training, so it was good.
Speaker 2:You buy a fast car for a reason, oh yeah, and it's just like riding a sport bike. I mean, you're over that 1,000cc sport bike. Every once in a while you're going to want to get on it, you know. So when you get caught, just beg for forgiveness.
Speaker 1:Pull over by a motorcycle cop, don't even bother, begging yeah don't even just go ahead and yeah that dude's already got that thing stroked out.
Speaker 4:He just needs your signature and he'll be on them.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, that's right. Motor cops are unforgiving. Um, we just got in a debate in class today with a captain over our motors and we were lighting them up and we're like, bro, you're a freaking, you're a revenue generator for the city and I was like you don't even get to see any of that money. I was like how is that I was giving him so much shit? I was like, wow, meanwhile, me and these guys are out there looking for violent felons.
Speaker 1:He's like no we're doing the public a service because you know you got riled up because that's.
Speaker 4:Did he wear his boots?
Speaker 1:to class. He did not wear his boots to class, but I was proud of him because as a captain captains don't, they ain't dealing with any of this stuff. And here he is in alert training, learning how to how to get better. So what good is training if y'all are not required to know the law? We are required to know a Reader's Digest version of the law. Now here's the thing, steve. I want to point this out because you bring up a good point. Guess who also doesn't know the law Lawyers, judges.
Speaker 1:Guess what they get to do? They get to refer to the law. They have an idea of it, but they don't know it verbatim and they're not always right on initial thought. So guess what they do? They refer to the law. Now they're a lot better at knowing where to go, what to look up and what case law applies, because guess what? That's what they get paid to do. But for us, we get to learn elements of offenses, which, again, is just the Reader's Digest version. Oh, you stole something, cool. What law is that that you committed? Oh, you hurt somebody, all right. Which violence law is that? And then we're going to go look it up, make sure that they felt pain as well, yeah.
Speaker 1:So if you want your cops to know the law as well as a judge or a lawyer, well, guess what? You're going to have to require them to go to law school. And now, guess what? Now you're going to have to pay them for two types of careers you can't afford.
Speaker 2:I can almost guarantee you, all of us have been there at some point. I know I was in my career when I was like I'm pretty sure this is illegal.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't seem right.
Speaker 2:And so then I would have to go into the law book and I'd have to look and I'd go oh yeah, it's legal under this section, and here's what it is. No one can know all the laws guys, I mean that's why, attorneys specialize in certain areas, like criminal law or business law or whatever it may be, because they don't know all of it as well.
Speaker 4:So it's, it's uh, it's humans trying to do a tough job again the advent and I'm not going to say a brand of the company, but the advent of the e citation. When it came out was like oh, thank god, right, you can be like headlight, it's going to give you eight options. You're like nope, nope, no, there it is, and you know you're gonna find it. You're gonna get what's called the trc code right now.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you this. I told you, guys, I haven't written a ticket in years. I've never written an e-ticket. I I know what they are I know they exist, but I've never even written an e-ticket.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't even know how to start yeah, that has been a long time since you've really yeah very, very long time yeah, like I know, the device is in my car.
Speaker 2:There's a printer and all that cool shit you know, those things are tough too, by the way, those printers, because I actually ran over one with the tahoe you did in the parking lot of the pd, didn't you? Yeah, I fell off the hood of the car and I just ran around over it and it still worked afterwards. So I mean, I don't know what they make those things out of, but they're tough.
Speaker 4:But you know what it was, though in a positive way. It wasn't a damage to city property report.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so hold on. I got to read this comment. I just read it, mr Billfold, eric won't let me debate QI, because I'm going to do it while cosplaying Randall, the Macho man, randy Savage. By the way, mr Billfold, when we do get Vaughn on here to talk about QI, you're going to be the dude, you're going to be you, and I want to get Kingslayer. So I'm going to have I've already called it out Mr Billfold and Kingslayer are going to be my two anti, and then I want to have Vaughn and Daniel from police law news as our pro. And then, obviously, we need Matt Thornton on here as well, because he's a cop that's against QI, and then I will be the the. I'm going to be the moderator, yeah, cause cause I'm on the fence. 'm going to be the moderator? Yeah, because I'm on the fence Like I don't know.
Speaker 4:Ray, do you know who Vaughn Clem is? No, I don't know who that is. He works at Force Science.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, he was an attorney, he's actually working the Michigan case right now with Officer Scher. That the thing's out on. But I want to get to wade lucero's comment here where he said elements, uh, and offenses is not the law. I think what you mean elements of the offense is not law. You're right, it is not. But when you know the elements of an offense you can find the law, and that's how we operate. So if you take something from a store, well, that's theft of some sort and I now I have to figure out specifically what law. And well, that's theft of some sort and I now I have to figure out specifically what law that is. So that's how cops operate. I know it's weird. Most people don't know that, I guess, because you think that we're thinking of the exact law in our head. We're not.
Speaker 4:I, you know we may have some people that may say law enforcement on this channel and I and I invite that that but how cool in the state of texas that anybody can stop a shoplifter. That's not like that in all states, it's definitely not like that out on the west coast, but anybody in the state of texas can stop a shoplifter. Um, and I thought that was pretty cool when I got into the police academy that you know just your, your, your bag boy or bag girl that's bagging groceries for no reason or whatever. If he sees a shoplifting go on, he has the power of the state of Texas behind him to go stop that individual and summon the police. And I thought that was awesome and I wish more states would do that, because I don't know about y'all, but I can't stand a freaking thief.
Speaker 4:And then they go into a store. Now, case by case, you're going to have people out there that are coming in and they're they're starving. I mean, like I said, case by case, but I'm more. I'm talking like a, a frigging best buy. Somebody goes in and grabs a frigging 65 inch TV and they're going to walk to the door because they're in a state of. We're just going to let people walk out and report this later so insurance can take over it. I highly disagree with that. I'm curious on what y'all think the viewers think on that.
Speaker 1:On the whole shoplifting thing yeah, centurion Tactical said judges and lawyers not knowing the law. It's called overturned case or DC judges getting slapped by SC. So I want to kind of clarify what I meant by that is, when they get the laws or when they get a case, they have the luxury of time they get to go look up the case law. They get to go look up the law. They get to look up all these different factors before they present a case. Cops don't have that option. They're out in the field. They got to know this shit off the top of their head. So they're dealing with the reader's digest version elements of an, an offense. We learn elements and then we can go from there.
Speaker 1:Um, when it comes to traffic laws, traffic code, whatever you want to call it again, it goes into like there's, there's a lot of stuff that's just you know speeding, you know making a, you know not coming to a complete stop. There's like certain things you just know. But even then I got to look up like what is the traffic code? I don't have that shit memorized. I don't know that. It's traffic code 3.25 or whatever it is, I don't know. I told you guys, I don't write tickets, I sure as shit don't know, um, but all right, let's, uh did.
Speaker 2:I look, is uh probably what. What do y'all think? Oh Jesus, four or five inches thick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 700 and 900 pages long yeah.
Speaker 2:That's just one of them. Yeah, that's just one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then you haven't gotten into federal and you haven't gotten into state statutes and city statute and ordinances and all this shit in ordinances and all this shit.
Speaker 2:If you want to complain about laws, complain about it to the politicians. Have them to reduce laws and not create so many new ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, road pirate tax, leech clause, triggered Drink, love it. Mr Billfold's on it tonight. I got to say the community that we've cultivated here. Ray, I like doing these lives because I like to educate and do what we do and talk to my guests, guys like you. But I will say that having the the, the crowd that we have now, the regulars like I, look forward to it just for them. I love hearing the shit they come up with. Uh, oh, marine bloods is in the house. He said hoorah, mr billfold, semper fi, there you go, banning, give him a hoorah get down, devil dog, give me, I can't do it because I'm just there and uh, we do I'm just air force.
Speaker 1:So uh marine bloods, marine blood. I need you to fix and make sure that your account and if we have to have Mr Billfold log into your account just to make sure, because I think you are causing people to drink unnecessarily I think that's what's going on there, whoops. I was trying to click on Harrison Brock's comment. He said two cops, one donut. There's no reason for a cop to arrest someone for taking photos in public and calling them a pig. But it happens. You're right, it does happen, and that's why our page exists to try to get that shit to stop. Throw out some education there. And then I saw one more comment I was trying to get Road Pirate. Was this it? David Edmondson said? Whenever I buy bottled water and power, they always stop me to check my receipt. I always tell them not to tackle me and we laugh uh nice, that's not what I was looking for, though. Give me a second.
Speaker 2:I could have swore oh my buggy grabbed by the elderly person at the Walmart. You know where. They grabbed the front of my buggy and they said hey, I can see your receipt Right. Okay, here you go. You're taking this job a little serious, but here you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wade Lucero. I think this is where Wade and I really get along, because I was a property crimes person for a few years and still to this day one of the most satisfying things I did was catching people taking other people's stuff um. But he said I hate thieves and I think banning is right. I live in california and some store owners do assault and don't get charged. Um, I keep oh uh. I want to give a shout out to harrison brock. He tried to do five more memberships and they went through. Hey, that's a that, that's a win. We never know. That's a good sign. A lot of good people got accounts. Thank you, harrison. William Gregg got one. I know I've seen him comment before.
Speaker 2:I think California has also realized where they've messed up when it comes to theft and they've started lowering the threshold back down as far as how much constitutes a higher misdemeanor or even possibly a felony, and just because theft has become rampant yes, yep, um, so all right, I've got uh.
Speaker 1:I got another video here I'm going to share from our uh, from our instagram page. I thought was a good one to share before we get to our body cam videos. So let's go. Another great interaction between the citizen and the officer. Officer had a legal reason to pull this car over that had an expired register same one we just watched, angry and aggressive.
Speaker 8:Karen you mother I'm sorry, I'm recording. Why are you yelling?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna pause this real quick. I don't know who this auditor is. If somebody knows who it is, please put it in the comments. When I got this video, there was. You know how it is it gets shared and dumbed down and added all this crap to it. Um, I don't know who this auditor is and there's no markings on this video when we got it. So shout out to this auditor because I think he did a really good job. But let's, let's keep going don't you just relax?
Speaker 8:no, why don't you get out of here? No, why don't you go smoke some weed and calm down? Why are you recording people?
Speaker 7:just walk away, karen, please first of all my name is not karen well, what's your name then?
Speaker 3:my name's. I'm gonna kick your ass in about two fucking seconds please do it.
Speaker 8:Why are you recording? Don't, don't, don't make this something why are you recording?
Speaker 3:don't do it is something it needs to not be, because I don't want to be on.
Speaker 1:That's a double negative, just saying well, why would you put your face right out that?
Speaker 8:you mother.
Speaker 1:So, for those that aren't aware what happened, she tries to slap him. Uh, and he was ready for it because he's a pro auditor and he had his pepper spray ready and uh, he hits her. Now I think her glasses ate most of it because she I don't really see her react, but I'm not going to lie. I wish it would have got in her eyes. What is wrong with you? What is?
Speaker 8:wrong with you? Get the fuck away from me now. What is wrong with you? Get away from me now. What is wrong with you? Get away. Get away.
Speaker 3:You know you're going to jail now. Right, Do it.
Speaker 9:That sounds like you were a victim of an assault over here Are. That sounds like you were a victim of an assault over here, are you okay?
Speaker 8:I'm okay, I'm okay and I'm not looking to press charges. Man, I'm not looking to do any of that. I'm not looking to do any of that.
Speaker 1:Tell me he's not a freaking Marine. Look at his hat.
Speaker 8:That's a Marine rolled hat if I've ever seen one what I would suggest, because they'll never come up and apologize to me or anything like that. If you want to see the video, I'd be more than happy to show you. Just from what I got from her, I don't even need to see it. Honestly, she told me Well, at least somebody has some common sense.
Speaker 6:She was going to kick the shit out of you or something like that, and then swung at me.
Speaker 8:Yep she said all that.
Speaker 1:So I mean liked about that was this is an example of the cop going to the complainant, which was Karen, even though she said that's not her name. They go, they talk to her. She must have said that she slapped the shit out of him and was going to try to kick his ass, because the officer comes over and literally says I know you were the victim of an assault and goes from there. So I think it gives a lot of credit to how they handled this call and understanding of the law. Again, we don't know the laws verbatim, but we understand the elements of offense and that's what I think happened here. Banning what do you got? No same thing.
Speaker 4:I think law enforcement handled it the best they could. I mean, you know, do we only have a victim if we have a victim, correct? So we can, we can, and I think I saw a bus or, I'm sorry, an ambulance back there uh, probably treating her. I'm sure that that spray started to intensify Maybe as she walked away, as she called the police and maybe wanted to I'm guessing victimize herself a little bit. This guy sprayed me, this video cameraing me, and these people think that they can't you know, they can't have that done to them. But guess what, as soon as you walk out of your house, ladies and gentlemen, you're out in public and you're getting videoed from, from banks, from everything else, and and I it sickens me when I see the law enforcement ones where, hey, come here, you can't video on that sidewalk over there, and I'm like where the hell have you been living for the past 15 years? Under a frigging rock or what so I get it Nice.
Speaker 1:Steve Ladner. This is from Magdump. He says Steve Ladner Wow man, I don't count these guys as dirty cops. I hate they are legit, trying to better the profession and bridge the gap. Hey, appreciate it, brother. Somebody said somebody in LinkedIn doesn't have your name but it says first offense of shoplifting in Georgia for items under $500 is a misdemeanor.
Speaker 4:Damn, that's a.
Speaker 1:that's a very large amount, okay. And it says with potential penalties, including fines, community service and probation. Uh, texas is a hundred bucks, like you can't under a hundreds of misdemeanor, then you go into jail.
Speaker 4:So basically, if you take a frigging, uh dozen eggs you're going to jail um wade.
Speaker 1:Lucero said eric, please check out body cam story to use instead police activity. I just saw one. Two cops pulled a paralyzed guy out of his chair trying to tell him to come on and get up. Buddy, you're faking. But he wasn't. What the fuck? Okay, where did he say that I'm gonna pull that up, he said. He said check out body cam story. Is that the name of the page? I need you to be specific, wade. Where's that at?
Speaker 2:because I'm gonna look that shit up you know, I was gonna say in the meantime I'm talking about the, the, the woman came up and the guy that was recording man. If you can avoid those situations, avoid those situations, don't go in there.
Speaker 2:You know, if somebody comes up and asks you why you're recording, why don't you just tell them, hey, here's the reason I'm recording and it's not you purposely, and just explain to them what you're doing, because it's not worth getting into a fight with somebody or getting pepper sprayed or having some other issue. It's just not worth it. I mean, when we come emotionally in charge, uh, it becomes issues for all of us in our relationships and our personal lives as well yeah, I am.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. I'm trying to find this video. I the problem is when I look at this stuff, unless you guys have a page, I get news channels, like right now I'm looking at CNN, abc 10, nbc 10. I can't pull those up. If I pull those up, then our YouTube video this live will get dinged because we're copyright problems. But if you guys know where the body cam video is, that's different. So I'm looking through right now and I'm not. I see what you're talking about, but I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1:So, hold on, I may have found a TikTok. I can do TikTok. Okay, here we go. We may have found a TikTok. I can do TikTok. Okay, here we go. We may have it. Let me share the screen. Let's see what happens. I hope it's the right one Counting on you, wade. I hope this is the right one. Let's unmute this guy. And of course, we're not seeing it from the beginning. So this is going to be hard for me to judge anything Andy Fletcher said I may have sent it to you about two weeks ago on Facebook Messenger. Okay, let me check, andy. I can check that instead. While I'm doing that Banning, how about you keep everybody busy, you?
Speaker 4:bet, and I believe Mr Belfold may know where that video is at with the comment that he said, so he might be able to leave you guys email. He might be able to send that to you. Oh shit, real quickly, ray. While he's fixing that up, where are you going after this? What's your next trip?
Speaker 2:The next one will be Crevendale Colorado.
Speaker 4:Oh dang.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's an hour and a half outside of Denver or something like that.
Speaker 4:At least it's not wintertime. No, I've been there in the wintertime as well.
Speaker 2:Colorado is a beautiful state. It's expensive to live there, but it's a beautiful state. I just drove through Montana I was talking about that before we came on and you know it rivals Colorado, you know, as far as its beauty and and. But yeah, colorado is a beautiful state, I really like it and we're going there. We're going to be teaching ground control instructor course there and we've got officers coming from from all over there. They're coming to it.
Speaker 4:So it's a. It's a great event. We're going to have a good time. That's awesome. What would you say your average class size is when one of your instructors is and I'm not sure the logistics and how you do it, but if you go to an agency and you were and I doubt you're the sole instructor, but if you are, what is your average class side of patrol officers or whoever's attending?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, we try to keep. For instance, if I'm going to teach a class for defensive tactics, we try to keep it at around 14 to 16 max for one instructor, and if we start getting 18 to 20, I'll bring another instructor to come with us. And the reason being is because I want to make sure that everyone gets the knowledge that they want, they get the interaction that they want, and you know, because we do provide a service. But but yeah, yeah, Somebody said I guess it's, I guess Joseph said it's actually three hours from Denver. You know Carbondale is. But yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful area, Denver not so much.
Speaker 6:And I don't mean to don't throw any tomatoes at me or anything.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's a beautiful area, Denver not so much. And I don't mean don't throw any tomatoes at me or anything, but yeah, Denver's not not my cup of tea.
Speaker 4:But anytime you get outside of Denver you know, it's just great no-transcript. Has that ever been an issue?
Speaker 2:No, we haven't had any issues. It's been great. Like I said, we have numerous states that have approved our programs, that we have Every officer that comes to our programs gets state credit hours. That's been fantastic. Matter of fact, we're actually helping an officer right now We've been communicating out of Massachusetts that was fired by his agency for excessive use of force and, uh, we've been helping him to uh, you know, hopefully get his job back, because what we saw didn't it didn't appear to be excessive use of force. That's good.
Speaker 1:Yes, I do, Mr Billfold. Michelle, your son moves his lips when he reads yes, I do. Alright, Mr Billfold, set the video in. We got it. Let me see what happens when we biggie size these weird stuff. Okay, that looks fine. Alright, let's. Actually. Should we do it this way? That looks better. Let's go that way. Alright, here's the video. Don't say that I don't listen to my crowd.
Speaker 9:All right, you can come out. I'm paralyzed, I understand, and I saw that and that's why I'm asking you know, yeah, you can talk to me. So I mean, I'll need to for you to come out so I can talk to you. No problem, all right.
Speaker 1:Let Hold on. There's another one where they pull a paralyzed guy out. How many of these? Okay? Well, this is a different one. So, but you know what? We're already here, let's go.
Speaker 5:Let's go. It started as a simple traffic stop is going to devolve into a completely dehumanizing experience.
Speaker 9:You want me to just jump out?
Speaker 5:grab me out although it should go without saying the audacity of the officer to demand that the driver exit the car, even after knowing that he is paralyzed, as part of the course for the police come on, oh, okay, hold on, I got this.
Speaker 9:Come on, I got you, I got you, I got you. I got you I got you, I got you, I got you. Hold your feet, I can't. I'm paralyzed. You gonna drag me.
Speaker 1:I love that this dude encouraged it.
Speaker 9:He can't walk. He's a paraplegic. That's not something you have. Sit right here. Sit right here. You gonna set me outside on the ground.
Speaker 5:The humiliation and disrespect the driver is being subjected to in these moments cannot be overstated. Placing yourself in this situation, imagine how demoralizing it would be to get treated this way, knowing the circumstances.
Speaker 1:Now hold on. Fuck you. Narrator. This guy did this intentionally to entertain himself. I like this guy. I know damn well he wanted all right, let's see where the fuck this. That's how I am. I'd be like all right, let's see where this guy takes this. He knew damn well that this officer was gonna flop around like an idiot and he's like I want to see it. I like this guy. That's bad. What do you think?
Speaker 4:man, I'm just, I'm just torn up. I can think of two traffic stops that I've personally had. And I mean it's you know you? You've got so many indicators, from a handicap license plate to a wheelchair attached.
Speaker 1:A wheelchair somewhere.
Speaker 4:Yeah, to a verbal hello officer I'm paralyzed from the waist down. I have handbrakes, everything's set up on the car. You know different things like that and I'm obviously I don't know Right.
Speaker 1:Ray, anything to add on this yet?
Speaker 2:Man. I don't have a clue what's going on. I'm still trying to evaluate. That's a big dude. I'd have hurt my back trying to get that dude. There's no way I would have tried to pull him out of that car. I mean, it's just. Yeah, he's a big dude man. I don't understand what's going on yet and maybe there's more to the story. I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's easy to watch these videos and come to conclusions on either end of it and uh and not know all the information. So it'll be interesting if they actually tell us what's going on and here's my thing too let's say it's because you smelled weed sure you know, that's that, that that happens quite often.
Speaker 1:If I know I'm dealing with a paralyzed person, like you know, I'm even more prone to overlook that. I'm not even going to, probably not even really going to mention it, because I'm just going to be like you know what? This guy's got? A lot more problems than a little bit of weed. So that's just me. That's just me thinking out loud. Let's keep going.
Speaker 9:Why y'all set me on the ground? I'm going to try to help you out, man, but why are you just? I can't paralyze her.
Speaker 8:Okay, no, paralyzing you don't paralyze me man, can you help with the wheelchair?
Speaker 9:yeah, that's what I was trying to tell you.
Speaker 1:I have to get his look at his face, look at his.
Speaker 5:He knows I love this guy when we say that the police need to approach and treat the public with more empathy and compassion, this is exactly what we are talking about. All of this could have been avoided if the first officer didn't immediately demand control of the situation while shutting down dialogue with the driver, as well as the passenger's request to help get the driver's wheelchair ready.
Speaker 9:Sit right here tight, okay, sir, I'll do a whole lot of that swimming for me, this up man. You know what I mean this up. You know why my wheelchair is in the back? Yeah, my wheelchair is in the back. You know why, this up sir. You know why, this up man? Because you can talk to a person and you can figure out how you can do things better.
Speaker 5:The driver clearly recognizes this as well.
Speaker 9:So nobody have a camera on what's your name sir, what's your badge name? What's your badge number? 1737. 1737. And I'm Officer Affiliates Officer Affiliates, that is correct.
Speaker 1:Now Ray and Banning. We've been in this game a long time. I'm getting rookie vibes. I'm just saying the way they're talking. I'm getting rookie vibes, but I see these weird stripes on their arms and it's not a sergeant. I don't know what those. I don't know what those signify for that department.
Speaker 4:But that ain't a sergeant stripe. No, it could be a senior officer or an fto. They have so many different meanings across the country and I'm not even gonna sit here and begin to guess because, yeah, what just saw was.
Speaker 1:I'm just going based on how they're acting.
Speaker 2:Man. I'm starting to think that he didn't believe the guy. Yeah, I'm thinking. That's what happened he didn't believe that he couldn't walk and so he thought oh, I'm going to get you out to see if you can walk, right. I don't know, I don't know what was going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. I'm just curious why did you need to get him out? Like what? If it was okay and this is where this officer, this is how you know it's full of shit If you needed to get him out it was such a pressing matter, you would have said all right, sir, I'm going to need you to, I'm not going to move you any farther. Maybe we'll get your chair out, maybe we'll have you sit right here, but I need to get her out now to figure out whatever it was. That was such a concern, because I didn't hear it get articulated. Um, and that's the problem with you. Know, we don't have the body cam. We're just getting you know once this video cut on, so we're only getting a certain portion of it. But this couldn't have been too damn serious because you put him back in the car. You know, okay, he's legit, let's get him back in the car.
Speaker 4:I'm not even seeing, and it's probably the camera angle, but I'm not seeing body cameras on the officers either yeah, I was just about to read that mag dump.
Speaker 1:I think it was said no body worn cameras. Now, this is a thing, guys. It is not mandatory across the nation. I don't know. Sure, I don't either, I don't, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I see it all the time I see agencies that uh I mean uh, because I teach all over the united states and so I do see agencies that don't don't have body cams. Not every agency, every agency has tasers either, even though that, uh, you know, the public would like to think why, why don't you just tase him?
Speaker 1:well, not every agency has them yeah, oh, I might have accidentally put my mom in time out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you know if this dude would have had a warrant for his arrest, then they would have kept him outside the car. They wouldn't put him back in, right, you know? So I I don't understand the reason, other than him believing maybe that the guy wasn't telling the truth. I don't know, uh, and then, of course, this guy's not helping him out at all. He's just like, okay, let me throw my arms out to the side and let me you know, I'm not helping you out at all as far as pulling myself back in the car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Sorry, I'm looking through the chats here, but yeah let's keep going.
Speaker 9:What's your arm man? Culper Harris. No body, culper Harris, id 1640. I just think y'all can do things better. You know you don't just drag a man that's paralyzed. I didn't drag y'all, sir. I asked you and you asked for my assistance and I tried to help you. Your body is bigger than my body. If I'm telling you that I'm paralyzed, but you constantly saying I need to come out.
Speaker 5:No, I said, you asked me for assistance and I'm asking you could you constantly?
Speaker 9:saying I need to come out. No, I said no. I said you asked me for assistant and I'm actually. You need my assistant.
Speaker 1:You see, I need you ask me for my assistance. I don't think the hiring pool is as high as it could grab you.
Speaker 9:I said I can't grab you because there's no reason I'm gonna grab you and pull you out of the vehicle just like that.
Speaker 5:No, officer phyllis then predictably tries to cover for himself not even engaging with how he's in the wrong and his actions were unacceptable am I being arrested, sir? I'm asking you a question, we'll talk.
Speaker 9:I need to know now, man, am I being arrested? She's getting that one chair. We'll have a talk, okay, in private, okay, sir.
Speaker 5:The driver is eventually told that he allegedly has an outstanding warrant in Georgia, even though the stop took place in Maryland and the driver said that it was a non-extraditable offense, then getting arrested and taken to Charles County Jail. Reporting on this incident is slim, so we can't confirm the validity of the officer to the driver's claims about his outstanding warrant, but that has no bearing on the clear disregard for humanity the driver was subjected to by these officers, and we hope that he and his family see more justice from this okay, well, that changes things a bit.
Speaker 1:Um, again, he's telling you he's paralyzed, like if I'm not seeing any problems, you know, I'm gonna verify that they're the warrants, even good, before I even engage with any of this stuff you know if you have a decent dispatcher that's in there doing their job, I mean it's.
Speaker 4:it's right there on the third line of the friggin most of the most of the warrants out there through ncic and it's going to tell it's right there on the third line of the frigging most of the warrants out there through NCIC and it's going to tell you it's either extraditable or it's not. If it's extraditable, usually it's surrounding states, or extraditable up to this amount, or extraditable nationwide, you know, depending on the charge et cetera. And that's something that educated law enforcement will look at before they go and try to get somebody out of the car, regardless of the physical incapacitation that's going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the thing about that, that may be what he actually did. You know, I mean, the narrator is the one that's saying that he didn't do these things, so the officer may have already confirmed it. It could have been a felony warrant, it could have been something that was violent, who knows. And then, you know, maybe that was the reason why he was wanting to get him out of the car before telling him you know anything about the warrant, which is normally the practice that we do. You know, we'll pull someone out. So, hey, you mind stepping out here for a second. Hey, you got a warrant for your arrest, yeah, that kind of thing. And so, yeah, I don't know, it's easy to look at, like I said, from that one side and go, yeah, the guy could have done better here, could have done better there. It's not the end of the world, no one was hurt and that's a good thing. And so, yeah, we all live and learn and we move forward from there, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, again, and that's the hard part, we don't have the full story on that. If he does have a warrant, that changes things. It depends on what that warrant is. If it's not extraditable, you don't end up finding that out typically until you have them research the warrant. It doesn't show that every time on the computer You'll see they have a warrant. So you'll say, okay, can you confirm on that warrant? That's what we'll ask.
Speaker 1:So for those listening, this is what typically will happen I'll pull you over hey, I pulled you over for this, dot it or whatever, and kind of get your license and insurance and current registration, depending on the state. So you get that. You go back, you run the name all right, for whatever reason. You pull them over and then you find out, oh, this driver's license has a warrant hit. Boom, what is it? Okay, it's Okay, it's a warrant hit out of Georgia. That may be all you see. Okay, let me call you know dispatch. Hey, this guy's got a warrant hit for me. Can you confirm on that warrant? So then they, what they're doing is they're getting a hold of that host, location of that warrant and saying is this warrant still good and is it extraditable because we see that it's out of Georgia, that takes a minute, because when it's out of state it takes a while. So in the meantime they may have been like, well, let's get him out of the car and have a conversation with him. And then this is what happened. And they're like, ooh, maybe he's full of shit because he's got a warrant. But again, like Banning was saying, handbrakes, wheelchair in the car, I mean you, there's some due diligence you can do before you just start going through those motions. And uh, yeah.
Speaker 1:So Mr Billfold said, regardless of the warrant status, at what point is asking a paraplegic to get out of a car makes sense? Why not let his wife agreed. Um, that's why we're saying take, take the time. Um. And then the other part they didn't even own it. Yeah, we thought I would have been like, oh my god, fucked up. Like I messed this up big time. I'm sorry it doesn't, it's not going to change anything, but at least owning it. You know I'm a big own, your fuck ups, that's me. So you definitely messed that one up. Two cops went on it. They put him back in the car. And then they put him back in the car that's the other thing, like if you're faking, being paralyzed, like it's not that hard to just let your legs go limp, like you could have still been faking it if that was your fear.
Speaker 1:So Ray Burke said unpopular opinion, but I think the way the officers were speaking and just general demeanor makes this bad. As a father of a severely disabled son, I can tell you anyone can be dangerous. Agreed, yeah, is it Texas that has a new law under traffic that one can't be pulled over just for expired registration actually has to be a violation? No, you can be pulled over. Yeah, you can be pulled over. Yeah, you can't be pulled over for well, at least where I'm at, it may be a policy for not showing current insurance.
Speaker 4:Like it. Just to expound on that, the state of Texas, along with other states, have what's called private companies that keep the insurance data. The one in Texas is called Texas Sure sure it's data. The one in Texas is called Texas Sure and that has an agreement with the state of Texas. When a peace officer runs a license plate, it's going to come back with a Texas Sure return. What that's going to do it's going to confirm the VIN number, but it's going to let the officer know if there's a current policy, if the policy has lapsed, and then it'll give you something like policies lapsed for more than 45 days. It's great that we have that, but it's also used primarily for hidden rooms or further investigative purposes, but not for a traffic stop itself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because they're not always accurate is what I discovered when you run those and it comes back and they go, ah, it's expired insurance. And then you get up there and they have insurance and so, yeah, it's just an insurance company. It's whether or not someone puts it into the system and when they put it into the system and so, yeah, same thing with registrations Registration can you run it and it looks like it's out, and then you get up there and they got a sticker. That's just. They just got it that day, yeah.
Speaker 1:And Nevaeh said I find it disturbing that some cops treat disabled people like garbage. They need more training, agreed? Now let's be for real. I don't think they were treating this guy like garbage. I think they were being polite the whole time. They were just idiots. That's my opinion. They were just dumb. They weren't um, but I don't think they were treating this guy like garbage, this guy. But to what nevaeh is saying like we've seen disabled people treated like shit, so, um, but uh, let's get into the, because I I've got a hard stop. I got to stop here in a half hour, so, um, but let's get into why we do this.
Speaker 1:The body cam live stuff. So we're going to watch our first body cam live video now. Again, everything that we got for tonight is from police activities youtube channel, so shout out to them. We're going to share the screen. I think this is the right one. Let's go right there. I don't have Alan tonight, guys, so I am running everything. Let's biggie size this guy, all right, and it's only a minute 48. So, ray, we do not know the backgrounds of these videos. We've never watched them, so it's fresh to everybody. If you have seen them, just bow yourself out and we will discuss it as we go.
Speaker 8:Hi, how are we doing today? I'm Officer Brandon, Springfield Township Police Department. Stop it, Stop it dog. How are you? Springfield Township Police Department.
Speaker 3:Okay, stop it. Stop it, dog, how are you so?
Speaker 8:the reason I stopped you is you are suspended with a warrant for your arrest.
Speaker 9:I am.
Speaker 8:So do me a favor Turn off the car, put the keys up on the dash. I'm paying you for that warrant.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, knowing that she's got a warrant, I would have done the same thing. Hey, turn your car off. This has been edited, apparently because it just skipped ahead. That wasn't us. So shout out to Harrison Brock he got us five more memberships. Thank you, buddy. And I'm looking through the names and guess who's not there Marine Bloods. So you guys know the rules. I will partake myself. Um, so from here, uh, you get the cuffs on, you confirm on the warrant and then, um, you're gonna have to deal with the car, so you're gonna have to tow it and inventory it. But that's all I really see so far on this call. Let's see where it goes from here.
Speaker 8:You are suspended actively. Oh hey, what Come here? Hello, the raccoon has her meth pipe.
Speaker 7:As what? Oh my God Her meth pipe. He's playing with the meth pipe right now.
Speaker 5:No, don't reach for it. That's evidence now.
Speaker 8:I don't want him to have that. That's why I'm going to do it. Hey, buddy. It's okay. Alright.
Speaker 1:One that's really cool to have a raccoon pet. I would love to have a raccoon. That would be fun as hell. But this is why I say, being a cop, uh front row tickets to the best show on earth, because you never know what the hell you're gonna find banning. How are you gonna handle the uh meth pipe carrying raccoon?
Speaker 4:uh, I probably would have laughed a bit too. I mean, that's uh, that's something you don't see every day and that's a normal reaction. Obviously you don't want the raccoon to frigging get an overdose. I'm going to tell you right now just enough of that amphetamine powder. If it gets onto a nose of a canine or a dog it can be disastrous. Did my screen turn completely green behind me? It did I'm not sure. It said green screen disabled.
Speaker 1:So there you go green screen you deal with. Okay, it doesn't look bad. So, uh, interesting. Uh, duck, ninja, dad gifted 10 memberships and it went through y'all. So that is crazy. I'm looking through, um, just considering how many memberships have been gifted tonight. Youtube usually limits us. Apparently, we haven't hit that limit yet. It did give 10, correct 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Yeah, sigmalord got one too, by the way. Shout out to SigmaLord.
Speaker 2:Okay, magdump said really small handcuffs for the raccoon question mark uh, you just, uh, you just think, eric, you just think you want a raccoon as a pet, because, I'm telling you, I have seen people with those things and they dig through everything yeah, that's what never, uh, never saying right now.
Speaker 1:um, no, you would not like to have a raccoon. I have a good friend that has one and it's a nightmare. As just a year old, okay, I still think it'd be cool.
Speaker 2:Well, obviously this one's not trained to not bring out the meth pipe while the police are standing there. So you know, they need to work on training this raccoon so that he'll hide the meth pipe and not actually bring it out in front of the police and say here it is.
Speaker 1:It's like having a pet monkey. Yeah exactly that raccoon has been exposed to so much fent that it could drive off in the car by this point. Oh my god, that is funny. Alright, let's see where this goes.
Speaker 9:It's right across from my house. Yeah, this is what she's smoking.
Speaker 8:That is funny.
Speaker 9:All right.
Speaker 8:Let's see where this goes. Yeah, this is what she's smoking meth in. Okay, the raccoon playing with her meth pipe.
Speaker 1:Look at that mom Pissed. She's not.
Speaker 8:Oh, there's no way.
Speaker 2:He's trying to smoke it, all right, thanks. There's no way.
Speaker 8:Alright. I love that he's having fun on the job here. Again, hey Huh. Yeah, he's on his way here. Keep an eye. She was trying to take the meth pipe out of the car. Just keep an eye on her real quick.
Speaker 1:That is fucking funny. I'm sorry, listen, listen. It's not funny that she's got an addiction sure but the fact that that just happened, that's funny. That is so you got to enjoy the job, y'all. That's something that I would enjoy, that's funny.
Speaker 2:That's something he's going to go back to the station and tell everybody about.
Speaker 4:Yeah does that still fall under the plain view doctrine or was that wreck entrained right police department illegally behind the police station?
Speaker 1:yeah, this is stuff you have got to consider for an argument in court. Is that an exception? That wasn't mine. Your honor that was the raccoons. That was rockets. There's nothing I could do about it, jesus. All right, let's go to the next one here. This one's only two minutes. Okay, let's share the screen, share Biggie size Boop, and let's go.
Speaker 3:You're choking, bro, you're choking.
Speaker 1:You're choking, Right away, Choking child. You could hear her say he's choking. This is immediately with kids. I'm giving two or three hard ass hits to the back and then I'm going right into the Heimlich the best I can, depending on how big they are. A child this size, I think I would be comfortable right into the Heimlich, the best I can, depending on how big they are. A child this size, I think I would be comfortable doing a Heimlich shot Banning. What do you?
Speaker 4:got Same and a lot of people keep sending me on LinkedIn this new device that they came out with. I'm sure people see it on there. Oh, the sucker thing, yeah, the thing that it just frigging pulls out. If that works as good as it says it does, I hope departments start training personnel with it and having it, because as well as blue police are on scene a lot faster than FD and EMS sometimes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one that I would really like to get as a sponsor, because I believe in that product. I've seen it on several videos now. It'd just be cool to be able to back them even more as a sponsor. But we'll, we'll always say their name. I just don't know the name of it. So, but let's keep going From here. You got to pick them up, angle them down, if you can, there we go. That's what he's trying to do, can you see?
Speaker 9:anything else? Could you open your mouth? Sweep the mouth. There we go. That's what he's trying to do? He was eating a tomato. Bro, Could you open your mouth?
Speaker 1:Sweep the mouth for obstruction.
Speaker 9:He was eating a tomato bro.
Speaker 1:He was eating a tomato, bro, I would try. Heimlich, can you see the swoop? He's starting to go out.
Speaker 8:He's talking. Are you okay? He's got something stuck in his throat.
Speaker 4:Can you open your mouth for me, buddy?
Speaker 1:I'm getting antsy for him. I'm not trying to help. Spit it out, spit it out.
Speaker 4:The child is coughing it up right now you okay, bud. You put him over here.
Speaker 8:I want to put him over here.
Speaker 2:I'll do it. Yeah, yep. There you go. Come on, buddy, are you ready? Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4:There you go. Come on, bud, are you fired? Yeah, I fired you, okay, buddy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go. There you go, steve, tell me these cops don't care you with me, bud.
Speaker 9:Yeah, he's not getting a voice, so he's bringing it in. Relax, buddy.
Speaker 2:Relax, all right, bud Spit it out, if you can, okay.
Speaker 1:There it is, there, it is Trying to help.
Speaker 2:Hey bud, yeah permanent.
Speaker 1:Aw, he hung up you all right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 9:Good, it was a little tomato.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was a little tomato.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was a little tomato.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I want to go to Boston.
Speaker 9:Yeah, I want to go to Boston, yeah.
Speaker 3:I want to go to Boston See it's right there.
Speaker 1:That was awesome. Look see, we never know what videos we're going to get. We got two positive videos right there.
Speaker 4:I mean kind of positive.
Speaker 1:That's the worst thing to see on a live scene is uh, yeah, like that yep, that, that it'll. That will haunt you even when you save them oh, that and that save.
Speaker 4:And I thought I'd never say this, but was uh pretty self-proclaimed that was pretty self-proclaimed.
Speaker 1:even when you save them, I'm telling you you are out of your mind.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, let's uh you know one thing that, uh, you know parents can learn too from that. Uh, and of course it's a. It's a nightmare in itself having to deal with that. But man, I've been out on many calls where parents put their baby into the in the bed with them and then they roll over on their child at night or during the day and end up smothering their own child.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I cannot imagine living with that and having to have to deal with that. So, man, do not put your kids in the bed with you when they're a baby, when they're an infant like that, put them in a crib and move everything out of the crib, so know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, just to be you know, just a piece of information. Hopefully that people are not doing that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, country girl, I think you nailed it. I think that's right. The tool's called life vac. Yeah, I think that's what it's called. Yep, yeah, very cool. So okay, let's. Let's go to the next video here. Share screen. Video here um share screen. I think that's the right one, biggie size a boop.
Speaker 3:All right, and let's get that comment off there and let's go tell me exactly what happened. My husband's um raging and he's throwing things and I don't feel safe right now with him here. Okay, and I want to confirm has anything been physical? Tonight he's just throwing, he's trashing my room. Okay, but has he thrown anything at you? He threw it at the door just now. I'm outside the door. I'm outside right now. Okay. I don't feel safe going near him right now. Okay, and I know. You said he's throwing things. What is he throwing?
Speaker 3:Like everything, like everything. Okay. Okay, my partner's already got some help started.
Speaker 6:Okay, I, it looks like. Okay, my p got some help started.
Speaker 3:O on the line with you, unt standing outside and you'? Yeah, he's in a closet, I with a closet, a big walk are guns in there? But I do anything. They should probably know that. Okay, do you know what kind of guns they are? They're big, I don't, they're my husband's into them? I'm not. They're big guys. Are they like hands or like shots? We got a little of everything we got everything okay, right here right. Right here, right, what's his name?
Speaker 6:David. Hey, david, david, david, david, can you come out and talk to us, david, david.
Speaker 3:David. Who is all in the house? You and the kids. I got some dementias in there, but my adult son is there and he died.
Speaker 7:Hey, david, we just want to talk. Man, can you come out so we can see you? Is this your adult son? Can you come out. I want to get everybody out of the house, just in case.
Speaker 1:Okay, so so far we got a call of the person raging the husband correct raging and we're showing up. We've made entry into the into the house banning.
Speaker 4:What are you doing from here? If he, you know, if we have, you know, two reasonable, prudent people that are telling us that he's in there by himself, I'm going to get them out for their safety with everything, the female half that is said, and, uh, we're gonna let him have night. You know, if he doesn't have anybody to hurt, if, if he doesn't want to respond, what point are we at? To where we're going to escalate the situation, just having the confrontation? So, everybody out of the house and on to the next. I like that. Call us back from a neighbor if they hear something. But if there's nobody being threatened, peace, we're out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that. If we don't have any signs of violence or anything like that, let's try to get them out of there, Even if that means, hey, we'll go drop you off somewhere. I'm willing to do that, assuming your serge is cool with it. Me, as a sergeant, I'm going to let you. If it avoids a call for the rest of the night and we don't have to go back there and put anybody in jail. That's what I would do. I'm with you on that. So, Ray, you got anything to add on that?
Speaker 2:No, I think the same thing. I think they're doing a good job by, you know, not forcing entry into the door, going up to the door. They're staying back away from it. If she says, if the female that called says, hey, there's no assault that occurred, there's no, there's no crime that occurred here, hey, but you know, we can stay here if you want to grab your stuff, so you can leave and, uh, make sure he doesn't come out and do anything and he stays in the room. Then she gets her stuff and she goes and hey, and everything's solved yeah, we call those civil standbys.
Speaker 1:Most of the time. When you do civil standbys, that's something that the sheriff's departments do, that city cops don't. But I've learned and taught people. I'm like, listen, you're going to get called back here, so you might as well just make this call last a little longer while you deal with that.
Speaker 4:If it's 2 in the morning frigging knock it out, Get it done so you guys can go on. Yep.
Speaker 1:Yep, agreed. So country girl likes your reply. Banning, agreed. So country girl likes your reply banning. She said applause to banning guys should be every cop. Uh, oh, mag, don't like your comment too. I, I agree. I mean, this is uh you.
Speaker 4:You've probably got at least uh 70, 80 years across the panel here, um, maybe more I'm gonna tell you, I've had raging moments of, oh my god, where's the money, how am I going to pay for bills? And I got out of the backyard and I, I, I yelled to the heavens and and uh, but I'm not going to hurt anybody and it's not illegal to do that, as long as you're not disturbing the peace. You know, if you breach that, that that fine line, then yeah, you're going to deal with something. But people deal and vent with different things. He's not physically harming somebody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let him get it out man, he's freaking human yep let's uh, let's keep going, let's see what goes on here just hang out with your mom in the garage.
Speaker 7:Please, david, can you come out and talk to us, david?
Speaker 1:your. I wouldn't even bother everybody's out. Let's go outside and chat. Hey, you guys got some place you can go, something we can do. I maybe leave one. I might stay inside, keep eyes on, stay next to my partner while I'm talking to them. You know just outside, but I don't really see a need to make contact with him. So let's keep going.
Speaker 7:Family's concerned about you. We're here to help you. Come on out.
Speaker 1:Now this may be some of the crisis intervention training issues that Lisa has been forced to learn. David.
Speaker 1:Now we've got somebody that we know is in crisis because they're having a rage moment and the crisis intervention training has forced them to try to see if they can help him. So now maybe we're seeing some training scars, training issues, training confliction, where you see we're saying leave, don't escalate it anymore, and the only people that are in any danger, we got them out of there. And then now, as I'm thinking through crisis intervention training that I've received, part of what that would say to do is to try to help this guy cope and figure out what's going on and see if we can help calm him down.
Speaker 4:You know, and if you're that motivated officer that is worried about somebody committing suicide, uh, if you're a decent department I'm not going to say accredited, but you're going to have victim forms. You know, we do here for family violence and you might be able to take those pink and green forms, slip it under the floor, uh, under the door, and say here you go, man, if you feel like you need to call somebody, or if you would like to call us back and talk, we're here for you, and then it's time to freaking bounce.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure how this is going to turn out. Yeah, mr Billfold, if banning were every cop, the big and tall uniform industry would boom Jeez. You know how many cows would have to die for gun belts, y'all Jesus. I think banning is like seven cows per belt.
Speaker 4:It's called the Sam banning. Now, it's not the Sam banning.
Speaker 1:Somebody said great show, eric, and Banning Appreciate it. Magdump said this was two weeks ago. This should have already been trained, eric. What do you mean? I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:Oh, the call was two weeks ago, that's. What he's saying is that they should have already had trained on this you know they haven't done it. That's the thing about they haven't done anything wrong. They're trying to make contact with a guy and you know they still may decide to work, to walk away, who knows?
Speaker 1:we'll see where it goes yeah, yeah, we don't even know where this is going to go yet. So let's, I'm going to go back just a little bit. I want to kind of hear Barricading David. Did I skip forward? Can you come out and talk to us?
Speaker 2:No, that's where it was. Oh okay, Can you come out and talk to us? No, that's where it was.
Speaker 7:Oh okay, David, I don't want to have to treat this as a barricaded subject. Come on out civilly.
Speaker 1:He's cop talking. That guy's not going to understand what that means. He's not For those listening. A barricaded person is a particular situation where now we have to back up, we have to hold a perimeter and we have to wait for tactical units to come out and start trying to talk this person out and do all that shit, because officers are not equipped, trained to deal with barricaded people and not to step on anything but.
Speaker 4:I don't consider this guy barricaded people and not to step on anything, but I don't consider this guy barricaded, not yet. He's in his frigging bedroom. He's got his door shut. We have zero to go on, from what I'm gathering. If I'm wrong and somebody else has picked up on something, feel free to tell me, but I think we've extended our stay here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no barricaded person. I haven't heard any threats of violence or anything like that. Harrison Brock another five memberships that went through. I don't know what's going on tonight. I can't believe it's letting it still slip through the cracks here. So appreciate it. Thank you very much, sir. Mr Billfold, early night tonight yeah, I got. I'm on days now so I got to get up early. He's a day walker.
Speaker 1:Now, yeah, I am a day walker. Andy Fletcher said do you think that the cop purposely escalated the interaction so he could shoot him? No, not at all. I'm telling you. There's no cop that wants to go through all that ever. Are there idiots like the Sonia Massey dude? Yeah, but do I think he's escalating Ever? Are there idiots like the Sonia Massey dude? Yeah, but do I think he's escalating this to have to do shit? No, he's just like any other guy that doesn't want to have to do any more work than what's necessary, trying to go home at the end of the night. And I don't mean go home by being the guy that lives, I just mean go home. I just want to go home. I want to get through the shift and and have a drink when I get home and pet my dog, like that's what I want to do. So, um, but yeah, and according to some of the comments, no, he's not barricaded. He did nothing wrong, so it's not barricaded.
Speaker 1:I agreed, um, so I'm gonna keep going here. Oh, somebody said yes, nev, sometimes people just want to vent, not hurt anyone, just vent. Let them vent on their own. They will sort it out in time. I agree, yeah, I think that's what Banning was saying. So let's get going. I have to call the SWAT team out.
Speaker 1:Okay, he's educating him a little bit. Everybody's concerned about you, bro, come on out. He's trying to relate. This is CIT Training 101.
Speaker 7:Yeah, we're going to have to get everybody out. Call a bear kid. Hey, mike, I'm going to hold on the door.
Speaker 1:So now he's doing a little safety sweep, making sure everybody is out of the house. Hey, how's it going sir? Is there any way we can get you out of the house? Is there any way that we can get you out of the house? I'm not really going to give you an option if it's a barricaded person. Son of a bitch. Did anybody catch that? Let me go back Watch the radio play. He doesn't have a mic. No, he doesn't.
Speaker 4:No, lapel mic.
Speaker 1:No, nothing If this day and age 2025, and this is a 2025 video, it's two weeks old. If you do not have an earpiece and a mic attached to your radio, you are wrong. Buy it. You cheap bastards Buy it. I don't care if the department didn't give it to you A hundred bucks at best for just buying a radio out there. There's no fucking excuse these days. Anyway, all right, let's keep going, Mr Bill.
Speaker 7:We're going to treat this as a barricaded subject. Can you have the 629? Give me a call for a swap. Call-out.
Speaker 1:That's never good. Good? That's never good, god damn now, I don't blame him for shooting, but we shouldn't have got to that point. I would have just left, wouldn't have been a problem. I'm guessing we don't know. But get everybody to leave, if you can, or I mean you do. Okay, banning, let me ask you this what if those people didn't want you this? What if he? What if those people didn't want to leave? What if they refuse to leave? Then what? Well, we can we can.
Speaker 4:Actually, you know, speaking for the state of Texas, we can force them to leave for a temporary safety barrier, and if you've got to carry somebody out of the house to where something unfortunate like this may not happen, then do that and you deal with that later. You're doing it for their safety. Yeah god, this pisses me off, man yeah, it's a, it's a you.
Speaker 1:Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You know, um, yeah, you do, you have. I think I saw somebody in the comments said you know, not breaking the law because you can have a gun in your own house, you can. But in this situation where you have a possible domestic violence with high potency for, let's put it this way, any reasonable and prudent person let's go off of that standard calls the cops on their own husband or whoever this guy was to them, calls on their own family member because they think that their rage has gotten so out of control they need cop intervention. You don't get to come out of a room when they're telling you hey, come out, talk to us, da dah, dah, dah with a gun and not expect something like this to happen.
Speaker 4:And we would be saying stuff a lot differently if an offense has been committed prior to Right. Right now it's just disturbing the peace. We're trying to control anything that's going on, but unfortunately it got to this point and I'm not going to say here just quarterback these guys to death, but that gum man.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, this is a shit sandwich all the way around. But again, this is just like the Sonia Massey thing. I would have left, I wouldn't even have been there, I would have already been gone. So damn. Again, I understand why he, I understand why he shot, but did we create our own exigency?
Speaker 4:take two. I know you got to get off here. Take two seconds, go back. When the gentleman came out. I want to see the just when he's coming out.
Speaker 1:I'd like to see the position so things to consider, your partner's still over here in that, wherever that leads to Good, I mean it's out, it's level. It is a one-handed draw, but it looks like his hand's in the trigger well area.
Speaker 4:He's frigging woods carrying that thing. Man, yeah, he's just a little hip hold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is fucking. This is a hard one, man. So I'm on the fence of maybe the cops created the exigency I'm going to say I'm 100% on the fence of that.
Speaker 4:Unfortunately, it's a training issue and that's the last thing that this officer wanted to do when he woke up that day.
Speaker 1:Again, we have the CIT part. This is what the citizens push for. So I want you guys to understand. This is what the citizens push for. So I want you guys to understand. I'm just giving you what I'm thinking as a cop With CIT critical or, I'm sorry. What does CIT stand for?
Speaker 1:Again, crisis intervention training. So, with crisis intervention training, this is when they wanted social workers in policing, so they trained cops in crisis intervention training. Crisis intervention training would have wanted you to be here and try to talk this guy down. So you've got conflicting training. Because the other side of us, when we're dealing with domestics, where we don't have anything physical yet maybe a threat of physical violence, we separate the parties, get somebody to leave. Where me and Banning were in agreement and fucking Ray, blanking on your name for a second, we were all of the opinion that, yeah, we would just convince them to leave, leave him in his room, let him sulk, do whatever he's got to do, to vent. But the CIT training requirements kind of conflict with that. So damn that is. I'll tell you what guys.
Speaker 2:I think the guy caused himself to get shot. You know the police are outside your door Instead of coming out with nothing in your hands. You come out with a gun in your hands and you expect the police to somehow not shoot you.
Speaker 1:Right, but I think that's what Banny and I are saying is like had they left, we we wouldn't have been in the situation, but because they stayed, it's like jumping in front of a moving car well, yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying and and I and I understand that as well, and, uh, it'd be damned if you do if you, damned if you don't you.
Speaker 2:because here's the thing about it If those officers would have left and left the family there, and he came out and killed each one of them, then they would have said why did those officers leave the family, leave and just leave the family there? Right, you know I mean officers are in a tough situation at these type of calls. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The messes are the worst.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know this guy. They're telling him to come out. They're telling him the police are out your side, your door, come on out. He didn't do that. He finally did, obviously, but came out with a gun in hand and you're expecting the police not to shoot you. I mean, if anyone, if someone was in your home, standing in your home, and they came out with a gun in your hand, they were mad and you had a way to defend yourself. You would defend yourself against the person, and so you're expecting the police. You know people are expecting police to do less. I mean, they're gonna do the same thing, yep yeah, I, I agree um this one man.
Speaker 1:This is it's, it's tough and, unfortunately, conflicting training, like I, like, I see, I think we just found a big flaw in police training here, that that was a push by society to have us do this critical or, I'm sorry, crisis intervention training. And then what the fuck do you do here, like, I'm, like, I'm going to write this one down because this needs to be something that we face and address, even at my own department. I'm curious, like at my own department, what we would do here. What are we training? Are we not sure that training is conflicting and making us do two different things? Right.
Speaker 1:This is a rough one. This is hard because, just to what Ray's saying, like you leave, and then he ends up blasting family members, the ones that you couldn't get to leave, or whatever. What if they return?
Speaker 4:We were stating earlier. It's kind of you shall not leave until possible future victims are removed from that situation. Yeah, and then if you know, then and then you do have to deal with, obviously, what happened. I mean, it's a double edged sword all the way. You know, it doesn't matter. I didn't hear them announce police. Obviously a person, a reasonable, prudent person on the right mind, on the other side of the door is going to know that that law enforcement is outside the door with the tone Everything's coming across. They want to talk to you, saying you're going to call SWAT.
Speaker 4:That is implied. It's just it's very unfortunate that it had to get to this and it's one of these. I've been to these raised, been to these, and it's one of these. I've been to these. Ray's been to these, you've been to these in a sense of, hey, let's get these people that are involved but now no longer involved because we don't have an offense, out of that situation. We could do a couple hey, do you need anything? Can we help you this and this and this? And if that fails, now victims are removed, get yourself out of the situation. Yeah, quarterbacking these guys. They're probably following policies, policies and procedures and and yeah, received.
Speaker 1:so it's yeah, it's hard for me to get on these guys because I see the, the contradiction in training. There's two different, two different things going at each other in this one. Um, yeah, this is. This is a rough one, guys. This is one that needs to be really looked into, not just by what we do here, because we can only change our small fishbowl, but I think at least statewide, nationally, whatever, this is one that really needs to be looked at.
Speaker 1:Is our CIT training causing us to do things that we shouldn't be doing? Again, we're not social workers. We're not, and you want us to be. So here we are trying to be the jack of all, master of none. This is what happens when you're the jack of all master of none. Shit, I feel bad for these cops. This is a bad spot and, again, I don't think they intentionally created their own exigency and I think there's a lot of training issues that conflict here. Damn, that's a bad one. Well, guys, I do have a hard stop. I kind of went over just a little bit. But, ray, I want to thank you, sir, for being on. Is there anything that you want to get out there before we get off here?
Speaker 2:I thank you guys for having us and I appreciate it. And if there's any officers are out there that would like some great training visits at Blue Shield Tactical and we have training coming out through across the United States that we provide and you know, or ask us some questions Sometimes, if you have some questions, we're just here to help you in any way we can, because that's what we do. So excellent, excellent.
Speaker 4:I gotta ask you have you gotten on to any of the you don't have to say the reservations have you gotten on any reservation training yet?
Speaker 2:No, we normally we don't. I mean, we have some Native American tribes. Law enforcement have come to our trainings. We've had some people that are managers of casinos and things like that come to some of our trainings as well. So yeah, that's been great. I'm actually a citizen of the Chickasaw Nation. A lot of people wouldn't think that about me, but I'm actually a citizen of the Chickasaw Nation. So yeah anytime that we get tribe members to be able to come, it's fantastic and it's great to see them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm looking at some of the comments here. Acorn said he said well, this call was not even 10 days ago. So I expect you can start that conversation at your agency, eric. Yeah, and I absolutely plan to. So I'm actually going to save this video and make sure that we do talk about that, because I don't want this to happen at my department, because we do have a crisis intervention team where we're at.
Speaker 1:So, holy shit, all of the brain is firing on that one. That's a crazy one that needs to be addressed. We need to try to help on that one before another officer falls into that. So at least they get some sort of finite training. Yes, do this. No, do that One of the two.
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Speaker 4:no sir.
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Speaker 4:Leave me alone. We're going to have to get Mr Belfort on a camp chat in your backyard and do it all over again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, get a fire. Hey, we'll video it man, we'll make it live. Hell, yeah, I'm down. I like it. So, jeff Parrish, should we set up a Discord? Yeah, I've actually got a rudimentary Discord going, but I haven't ran it yet. So, yes, that's another thing that we want to do. Mr Biltful, I think I accidentally banned my mom from talking tonight. I didn't mean to, I did it. Somebody spammed, there was somebody that tried to spam on here, and so I blocked them, but I think I got my mom too.
Speaker 2:You just got removed from the christmas list I know what can you?
Speaker 4:do I bet eric gets off here and goes and cleans his room I like it.
Speaker 1:But all right, guys, everybody have a good night. Uh, ray, stick around, banning, stick around, and we'll, uh, we'll, we'll debrief everybody. Take it easy, appreciate it y'all. Thank you.
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