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Two Cops One Donut
Badge and Burden: The Real Conversations Police Aren't Having
We're joined by Nick from Nick Off Duty, whose YouTube channel documenting real police work has garnered over 200,000 subscribers. He shares insights from his 18 years in law enforcement and introduces his groundbreaking police recruiting app designed to revolutionize how departments find qualified candidates nationwide.Behind the badge lies a world far more complex than most civilians ever see. Through candid analysis of real police encounters, we journey into the split-second decisions and psychological burdens that officers carry every day.
What happens when less-than-lethal tactics fail during a confrontation? We dissect bodycam footage showing the moment when an apartment call escalates to lethal force, examining both what happened and the emotional aftermath officers face. The reality is stark—no officer wants to take a life, yet when that tragic moment comes, they're subjected to intense scrutiny, investigations, and psychological trauma that can last a lifetime.
Rural policing emerges as a surprisingly challenging reality, with officers patrolling territories spanning hundreds of miles with backup potentially an hour away. This geographic isolation creates unique tactical considerations that urban departments rarely face. When you're the only officer for miles and a situation turns dangerous, how does that reality affect your decision-making?
The mental health crisis emerges repeatedly throughout our conversation—both the toll on officers themselves and the challenges of responding to mental health emergencies with limited resources. County jails have become de facto mental health institutions, a role they were never designed to fulfill.
Whether you're in law enforcement, considering a career in policing, or simply seeking to understand the human beings behind the badge, this episode offers rare, unfiltered insights into the profession's unseen realities. Subscribe now and join the conversation about what it truly means to protect and serve in today's complex world.
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Speaker 2:What is going on, everybody, as you can see, we do not have our beautiful baby face, Eric Levine, with us this evening, but we do have a couple of special guests and, as always, we have Alan. He'll be working in the background tonight. I appreciate you being here, alan, and we have a new guest tonight. Uh, that's nick and nick. If you just take a second just to let our uh, let our people know who you're, who you are, where you come from, and then, jared, we'll go with you all right.
Speaker 3:Hey, uh, what's going on guys? Nick from south florida, the miami area. Uh, 18 years in law enforcement, currently active. I also have a youtube channel, nick off duty. We got about 200 000 subscribers. I travel around the nation doing a show that's like cops but by a cop and I kind of tell a little story about the background and how police work. Uh works while we're out there on the ride along and uh recently just started a uh police recruiting app where we're gonna change the nation in a way that law enforcement agencies recruit around the nation. So it's a little bit about me and uh happy to be here that's freaking outstanding, and everybody I've checked out this app.
Speaker 2:Matter of fact, nick shared that with me. What nick doesn't know is I saw it a few days ago when he dropped it, uh, because I'm one of those, uh, one of those fans for his channel. So I was already uh in tune to what it is and thought that this was one of the best things since sliced bread. So thank you for uh, for for creating this thing, man, and getting other smart folks on with you to make this thing freaking happen. It's outstanding, and thank you very much, nick for being with us, and Jared, for those of us that are tuning in for the first time. If you don't mind giving a little bit of your background.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I've been on a handful of times. Hi, mr Billfold, I saw your comment. I appreciate you. My name is Jared. I've been on was with PD for about 15 years, was with the Federal Tribal Nation in Arizona and now I work in the tech world.
Speaker 2:Same as me. Thank you, jared. I appreciate it, and let's see who we got over here in the comments real quick. I might need Alan to highlight some of these, because I'm just in a regular login tonight so it's hard for me to scroll on this thing. I know we have Mr Biltfold here. Somebody said Mr Biltfold. I think I saw Coco here. She's here tonight. We got Michelle Jones. We got Eric's mom here tonight. Thanks, mom, for being here. Let's see Whose comment did you just put up there? Harrison Brock. So this is what you know. This is awesome man. So Harrison Brock just gifted 10 more membership and we're trying to get a dude named Marine Blood to see if he gets one, and I truly think it's in his settings on why he hasn't gotten one yet. These guys are awesome man. They'll buy into these memberships and give people memberships to our show.
Speaker 3:And hopefully these are all new ones that are getting it. Let's see I love it man. This is all new to me. Oh yeah, I'm not into the live stream stuff, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:And it was, you know, a year ago. It was new to us as well and, of course, it was light in the beginning, but we have or I should say they have assembled themselves to come in here as viewers to be a part of this, and it's a melting pot, man. It's law enforcement. We've got attorneys, so many people that get over here and comment it's our frigging world, it's our freaking world, it's freaking amazing.
Speaker 3:What do we got here?
Speaker 2:Is that the next page on there?
Speaker 3:Yeah, got a couple of Father's Day posts up there. That's my IG. Is that the one I shared with you?
Speaker 2:I think it is Pull that back up, Alan.
Speaker 3:I shared the Facebook page.
Speaker 2:You're muted, Alan.
Speaker 5:I was trying to verify it and make sure it was the right one, and then I put it on the main page. Is this the right one?
Speaker 3:Well, that's the Instagram.
Speaker 5:Okay, which one did you want everybody to see?
Speaker 3:No, it's whatever you want to share All of them.
Speaker 5:Huh yeah, Even the plugs, All of them huh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, even the plugs.
Speaker 5:All the plugs.
Speaker 3:Show my only friends Got it Got it.
Speaker 5:That's the biggest thing we try to do is spread the love and bring in everybody, get everybody used to what we're doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I go by the handle Nick off-duty. I'm pretty much tick tock Instagram, facebook and YouTube. Youtube's my big dog. I said about 200,000 subscribers and all together about 400, and it's just. The mission is, you know, tell the story of law enforcement and try to educate along the way and entertain.
Speaker 2:That's outstanding, man Outstanding.
Speaker 5:It's hard to tell which one you are when you have a hat on, because you without a hat, it looks a little different.
Speaker 3:You know I'll put a hat on right now, I'm just joking.
Speaker 2:Let's, let's grab one of his short IG reels, throw it up there real quick, so we can kind of show Nick's flavor. Okay.
Speaker 3:Y'all keep talking. Does it play with?
Speaker 2:audio. Yeah, it should play with audio.
Speaker 3:There's actually an Operation Fafo one. I think I have it pinned in the top. Operation Fafo went out with the Florida Highway Patrol where they did a street takeover, operation Fafo, which was amazing, and Fafo stood for Fast and Furious Operations Genius.
Speaker 3:So we went out, yeah we went out that night, had some intel there was going to be some street takeovers and they actually were doing it out of like a little drag area, so we were able to quarantine them. And it was a lot of fun that night and got a couple arrests, couple stolen vehicle recoveries, a couple firearms how did somebody run a taser discharge so it was all fun, it was all good stuff and hopefully a lot of uh education, these young bucks that are out there watching their peers do this man and seeing how that one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, right there, that that one right there see if we can pull that sound up yeah, the sound is yeah, he'll get it. He'll get it restarted here man.
Speaker 4:I wish I could have been there when whoever pitched to the commander what the operation was named.
Speaker 3:That's FHP. They got a giant set of cojones.
Speaker 5:So we say obviously Can you all hear the sound? No, sir, no Well, I don't know. Oh, there it is. I'll get it reset. As soon as you identify a runner, you get the opportunity. That thing needs to end just as it started. I have the expectation that everybody should be in a pair of handcuffs. Tonight we come for you, we come for you.
Speaker 6:We come for you. We come for you. We come for you. We come for you.
Speaker 8:The races are officially f***ed. Boys, F*** this s***. I'm just gonna stay here.
Speaker 3:No more, no more, no more, no more, no more, no more, no more, no more, no more, no***. This s***, I'm just gonna stay here. Everybody's going to jail. We're gonna come out every night.
Speaker 5:As soon as you identify a runner, you get yep, so that's the trailer that's the stuff I missed.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, that's a trailer of the uh.
Speaker 3:The long version that's playing on YouTube. It's about uh, I think it's like a 15 to 17 minute episode that's awesome man awesomeness that is awesome.
Speaker 2:Let's see. I think Mr Belfold is. Let's see.
Speaker 5:I'm not sure where he went with this comment. I'm a little concerned. So he's talking about when?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was Beat it when they had the knives and they were holding hands and they had the knives up there. So that's what he's talking about.
Speaker 7:Oh, okay. No, I'm in Florida.
Speaker 3:That might be in California. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Harrison Brock. Thank you for all your behind-the-scenes help. Appreciate that Absolutely. And Patrick Treelove I sit with Alan. He said something we love, so look at that Absolutely. And Patrick Treelove I sit with Alan. He said something we love, so look at that.
Speaker 2:Alan has got a shirt on tonight, so that's.
Speaker 7:Yeah, there's no, there's no Hi.
Speaker 5:But I will say you guys need to do a better job of liking our shows and things like that, because just me being on there without a shirt got more likes than most of the time. So you guys need to step it up and if you like what we're doing, go hit the like and subscribe button and join us so we can bring on more guests I was.
Speaker 2:Uh, I was thinking you may have went live on the wrong platform and had some questions for you, but I realized it was. It was a. It was just a mistake. Just a mistake. My phone went nuts that day, in a funny way.
Speaker 5:I agree, ccg and that's a was some creepy music. It needed to be like a whole rec video, best recs. Those can go a whole different direction, though, man.
Speaker 2:Hey, Nina, thank you for joining us tonight. That's coming off my LinkedIn there. Got my LinkedIn on here.
Speaker 5:All right, man. So one of the things you'll notice, guys, is so if they came from your page, it'll actually pop up and show whose page it came from, if it's not somebody that normally watches, right? So I want to thank all those guests that are coming in, following, following you. Guys Appreciate that very much.
Speaker 2:Hey, alan, if you're good with it, man, let's, let's. What do we get for the first, first video? Let's see here, all right, what we try to do. Nick, since you're the first one on this, I try not to read the frigging description of it. Watch this as a quick video and, as I was saying before'll just be. We'll be neutral at the end and let somebody else talk about it.
Speaker 6:But, alan, after you, brother all right well, it's really kind of hard to hard to know what's going on, right now All right.
Speaker 2:Well, it's really kind of hard to know what's going on right now. Obviously, he had an object in his hand. It looked like a gun just catching out of the. I was looking at the room to the right as soon as that happened. Nick, what did you see before we paused it there?
Speaker 3:I'm trying to figure out what's happening. Yeah, same here I don't know the circumstances of the call. Obviously this lady's leading them into something, so who knows what it was, but the place looks like a wreck.
Speaker 5:What's your mindset when you go into a call like that? So you're going to you know I'm assuming an apartment complex, you're following some lady. Generally you're going to have more information, of course, but if you just you know all those calls that you've taken, apartment complexes have a different. I have a different mentality when I'm responding to an apartment complex versus a residence. Can you talk about that a little bit, nick?
Speaker 3:Well, again, off rip I'm going to. I don't know what we're following this lady in for. So I'm going to. Before I follow her in anywhere, I'm going to ask her a slew of questions as to you know what's going on In this case. She might have been leading him to this guy. Who knows what? This guy maybe a DB, possibly a DB.
Speaker 7:Who knows? I don't know.
Speaker 3:So at this point, apartments't apartments like that, it's close quarters. I don't like, if I don't, I call everybody out if I can. It's just too small. Like if you look, like you said, immediately as you came in you saw to the right it looked like a kitchen and knives and things like that. In there it's like let's, let's talk outside.
Speaker 2:I don't know I mean we were, you know, just just cop, you know just regular, even military minded, just anybody with training, walk. I mean you're walking in that fatal funnel. We're walking pretty slowly to wherever this uh, to the, to the issue or argument or whatever this is. I mean, just like you, it's every one of these videos I watch it it's like where's. I want more context before I can give, uh, an educated spiel on this.
Speaker 2:It is tough and I kind of like it as well, cause it's cold. It's kind of like you're that backup officer that got 10, 90 or you know whatever your code is to get you sent somewhere else from a different priority call to this one And're rolling in last minute. You didn't have time to read your, you read your mdt notes and you're getting there and you're trying to just use all your senses and freaking, uh, figure out what's going on. And that's that's why I kind of look at these when we open them and it seems like the shit hits the fan pretty freaking fast. But alan, let's go ahead now, yeah, so come on.
Speaker 7:You don't have to put a bullet in me. Go, go, go, go. Put a bullet in me, get back, get back. I got a knife, get back, get back.
Speaker 2:Go Golly so.
Speaker 3:I guess it was a knife.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's what it looked like.
Speaker 3:The way he was holding whatever that object was Actually, it could have been a cell phone well, I, I don't know. He was just holding it right, he had it looked like a knife to me. Uh, I saw a knife you saw a knife there it is. Yeah, grainy footage yeah but yeah, there it is, yeah, and and our brains.
Speaker 2:Our brains can't do that. Live on the scene, you can't't say hold up, oh shit, okay, I've got to do this and this to stop that threat. And obviously we can hear the taser arcing. Somebody's deploying a taser. To me it didn't sound like a good contact. I don't know if they're trying to do a drive stun or if it was a deployment or what the deal is.
Speaker 7:So, Alan, without further ado, let's roll this and see how this goes. I'm going to go in the side way.
Speaker 8:Where is he at, Bro?
Speaker 2:come on.
Speaker 3:You're not safe. Good job.
Speaker 2:Good job. Officers involved, you know, and that sucks I hate. Obviously nobody wants to see somebody get hit like that. When you try to use lesser than deadly force, it doesn't work and that force is still coming at you and he's using deadly force. You've got to meet it to make sure nobody else gets hurt as well and that sucks. But yeah, we don't quarterback here. We try to see as we see. There's obviously some details we don't know about. Allen may be able to pull up the detail, the detail. Who are we watching these from tonight, alan?
Speaker 5:they're all police activity. Want to thank you. Big shout out to police activity for um, we. We almost exclusively use their content. Um, most of these videos, if you'll notice, when they start playing or within the last month, and today, all of them were uploaded today. So and I already closed that one down so I can't read that page. But the interesting thing to me is we're going into an unknown apartment and we've already it seemed like we're already pulling our taser and we were, um, I think you know I love, love the belt and all the back gadgets that we have, but I'm not sure that's the item I would have been going for in that close quarters of a situation. But yet I don't deal with apartment complexes every day like New York officers were. I'm you know I have like two in my city and there might be 30 units.
Speaker 2:Jared, what's your thought on this if this was on I don't even know if they I don't know much about a reservation man other than what you see on TV shows. What's your thoughts on this entry and execution of what they had to do?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean apartment complexes are a different animal because, as Alan was alluding to, it's like it's fatal funnels galore. You have concrete floors so the minute you announce yourself, the whole apartment complex knows you're there, and then the walls are paper thin a lot of times, depending upon the. You know how classy or how expensive these apartments are. So you have to account for your rounds and make sure your rounds hit, because you're going through three or four apartments if you miss um. So yeah, the department complexes are never fun, but I I did like the fact that you know they had less lethal and lethal options available and you know, thankfully, that they did and it worked out the way it's supposed to. Um, I think the officer was a little bit shell-shocked the fact that he put over the radio taser deployment and not gun shooting.
Speaker 2:I think that goes right into his muscle memory and training. So what are they teaching these young bucks as soon as they deploy that taser, Get on there, communicate right. Obviously, and to be honest with you, I've debriefed officers after a call and they didn't even hear a gunshot standing next to the person that did the gunshot, because of what our body does when it goes into fight or flight and he may have deployed that taser and thought his partner deployed a taser because it hasn't registered in his frigging brain housing group yet. Nick, I don't know if you agree with that or with the stuff that you've seen, but it's amazing what our bodies do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, you just you revert to whatever training he had or in the academy days. So the lead officer had his taser on. Had it just been solely tasered, that guy would have been stabbed a hundred times before he could probably get to that close. So we already said it we don't bring tasers to a night fight, we bring guns to a night fight. So I do like that. They did have that two options, but again I don't know what the initial call was right. So like armed with a knife, I don't know if I'm gonna go walking down that tight little hallway uh, not have vision with a taser, especially if you say we got we're both going, we're both going hot with guns you.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean At that point and we talk about this a lot too that if we can pull all subjects out but the knife wielder, depending on the call, notes and details, what's to say, we just make everybody safe and say, see ya, you know what I'm saying. If he's in there by himself and nobody else is a threat, and until we get another correspondence or call, why continue to deal with it? Now again, we don't know all the details and I'm not quarterbacking these two officers by any stretch, because there's a thousand ways you can skin this call and they didn't have a choice. So they may have been given a whole bunch of different information, because I don't think an officer in their right mind is going to pull a taser out. If they know, have the knowledge of you're going in with a lethal weapon, then you better meet that with lethal. Just an opinion. Again, I agree, jared. Do you have anything to add on that brother?
Speaker 4:No, I think you guys covered that one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, usually we do have a situation like that. We'll have our lethal up front covering just for that purpose. So I'm in front of you and you're kind of off to the back on the side of me and you can deploy your taser in case that guy does charge. At least I got your cover here. So it was staggered where the lethal was behind.
Speaker 7:so I mean again we're.
Speaker 3:You know, I'm not here to money, money quarterback. I was teaching at an academy. I just say hey guys, just kind of keep this in your mind if you were ever caught in this situation.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 5:That's right so the initial call at 3 pm, 9-1-1 call of an individual threatening attacker. They were threatening to attack another individual. Officers interviewed the 911 caller in front of the location and identified the 25-year-old as a suspect. The officers then accompanied the caller to the apartment where Luther was located. They entered the apartment, encountered Luther and then everything we saw. He discharged two rounds of the service firearm, striking Luther, was taken into custody and transported via ambulance where he was declared deceased. Sad Yep.
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 2:And we could talk about, we could get on a tangent for 48 hours on the mental health crisis that goes on in this and how our frigging county jails and local lockups have become mental health places. And that's not in my you know. I don't believe that's the way it should be. We gotta have proper mental health for everybody in this country and it's not our jails man.
Speaker 5:It's definitely not well and now, reading that and hearing it, I would have never let a victim or a complaining party back into an apartment complex. Uh, period, uh, once we had that conversation. I'm not going to bring somebody back to the apartment complex to let it escalate any further. I'm going to make them stay downstairs with another officer and then I'm in that scenario, I'm probably going to, you know, empty the apartment complex one by one, and you know if it's going to be just me and him in the room and if he wants to be by himself, then we're. You know, that's a whole different situation, but I'm going to try to get all innocent victims away from the scenario as possible, absolutely. But in the scenario they dealt with, you know, I think they handled it as best they could in the moment they did.
Speaker 2:Awesome. What'd you get next in queue, brother? Let's see what else we got on there. All right, unless anybody else has got something else to add on that that we're missing.
Speaker 5:Not for me All right, so okay, this one Biggie Size. So Biggie Size means everybody gets to drink at that point.
Speaker 2:Water Gatorade. This is.
Speaker 8:Nick calling from the In-N-Out Burger in Manteca, california, all right off of Yosemite. I want to say we have a customer who is being kind of hostile. He's in between both of our drive-thru windows. We had a customer at the drive-thru window and then he he was like slamming his car directly behind their car, hitting them in the bumper, but he kept hitting the gas and he was like very intentional with it.
Speaker 6:Okay, so he struck their car with his car.
Speaker 8:Yeah, he's in a white van. I'll see if I can get the license plate number for you. I don't see a license plate on the front Looking in the back the gentleman's wearing a 49ers jersey license plate number. Are you ready for it? Go ahead. He's driving a Chrysler County and Country, a white van. It's looking like it's got a lot of stuff, including a fishing pole seat covers with the American flag logo on it.
Speaker 6:Okay, is he white? And glasses Gotcha yes he is White, black, hispanic, asian, larger white man.
Speaker 8:He has a little bit black, hispanic, asian, larger white man. He has a little bit of facial hair, longer hair on the back, tattoos on his arms. I believe it's a Vernon Davis San Francisco 49ers jersey, all red. Okay, we're refusing to serve him right now because, like I said, he was very hostile with the car in front of us. Okay, and yeah, we're trying to get him out of the driveway right now, but he's refusing to leave. We're refusing to serve him, okay, give me one second.
Speaker 6:I'm just going to start getting somebody over there. Hang on real quick, okay, thank you.
Speaker 8:And is the other person in the other car injured in any way? The? Other people, we just had them pull, stand the phone, you're good.
Speaker 6:Cam 5, king 2, 805. It's going to be in and out. Berger 149.30, g70, between the two drive-thru windows. Sometimes on 415, there's a subject in a white van, white red Vernon Davis, niners jersey. He used his van to strike another vehicle. Now he's refusing to leave.
Speaker 8:It looks like he's got a box of hazy little things in his car too some IPAs and 6.7%. He's taking off from our driveline right now and he just left. I can tell you the direction of which he's going in this car, yeah which is the best caller ever. He went. Let's see, he just went around our store, he didn't leave.
Speaker 6:He didn't go towards Canes or nothing, so he had a beer in his car.
Speaker 8:I just seen a box of beers, but I didn't see if he had any open. Oh, now he's swerving out. He just took our drive-thru sign.
Speaker 6:Okay, he just took off and he hit the drive-thru sign and he's dragging it.
Speaker 8:And, yes, he's leaving with the drive-through sign. Excuse me, give a sign in front of your car. Okay, perfect, we can let them handle you for now. Thank you very much, sir. Okay, okay, he just hit the police officer. He hit his car directly, directly on the phone, sir.
Speaker 6:Chief, I shot fire, shot fire.
Speaker 5:Did we want to keep playing it, or do you want me to stop so we can talk about it?
Speaker 2:Let's just talk about what we have so far. Just like I think it was Nick that said best 911 call ever and that is the damn, I knew when he all said it and I was like you're absolutely, 100 percent correct. Usually it's, it's, it's, it's not this, this accurate. I mean I'm sitting there watching and this guy's describing everything and I usually don't like it when, when, when, just for safety reasons. This accurate. I mean I'm sitting there watching and this guy's describing everything, um, and I usually don't like it when, when, when, just for safety reasons. But I think the officer, uh, it was not in a bad spot. He's probably got his lights on that. We can't see it. I think I see a reflection of one and and he's coming there to a disturbance and he's about to get out and address it and this dude just starts slamming his car shots fired. I think that's what we can see up here in the. In the window it looks like one hit the window. Is that what y'all are seeing right now without knowing anymore?
Speaker 4:it's got a couple in the windshield there yeah on the radio.
Speaker 5:And then you saw the two little uh I think two that hit the windshield so so, as an officer, the second that he rams your vehicle, um, you know what are your thoughts, um guys, on what? What are your next thoughts? In a patrol unit, you can't get out of the patrol unit, those types of things.
Speaker 3:I'm in a car too, and that has some uh front end equipment and it becomes uh, uh twisted metal. Playstation, you guys remember that. I guess you know, let's duke it out. If. I'm in a car, he's in the car. If my car gets disabled and then I have no other option, then I'll probably dump my magazine, the only.
Speaker 5:thing that kind of scares me is all these pedestrians that are sitting out here. He's worried about the sign while we're still ramming an officer's car. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know a time of day when Chick-fil-A is not busy other than Sunday.
Speaker 5:Oh, don't, no, no, no, not Chick-fil-A, this is In-N-Out.
Speaker 7:Oh, it's In-N-Out.
Speaker 5:Yeah, this is In-N-Out, we got to make sure we got there, because you know we're in Texas. Waterburger is king, so you know, we got to make sure. I'm trying to get the chat going a little bit.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 5:We got to make sure it's in the right direction.
Speaker 2:That's what I get for not reading the thing, like I'm supposed to do Big shout out.
Speaker 5:I saw Eric post it a minute ago so I wish you were on here, buddy. But we understand. Every once in a while you get a break, so glad to take it from here, you bet, man.
Speaker 4:These ones are. You know, he rams you once, that's one thing, but this dude is repeated. I fully support what that officer did. He didn't really have any other options. Yep.
Speaker 5:I think, as he started to back up, I would immediately try to stay with him so he can't get any more power on my vehicle, you know, and hopefully you know if I can try to pin him in at some point once he's already scratched my bumper.
Speaker 2:Then I'm willing to write that dear chief letter I mean even even if we can pin him in on somebody else's property, be it another customer or an employee's car. That's an object, it's not a person. We're keeping him from leaving this and possibly hitting somebody with a car and doing more damage or hurting or killing somebody. So I'm right there with you. I think the officer took the direct steps. We still don't know if it's over yet. It looks like we still have some time on this, so let's roll and see where it goes, man.
Speaker 6:Stay on the phone, sir. 2-5, shots fired. Shots fired. 10-4, shots fired.
Speaker 7:9-4-4, shots fired and we have 10-4, sir You're driving, sir, sir, put your car in park. Put your car in park If I semi-clear three tells you to turn the car.
Speaker 5:Stop, stop. So I think the big question here to ask is he justified in um in?
Speaker 2:the decision he made there after he told him to stop the vehicle twice he cuts that wheel the other way, and if he gets through those freaking double doors of in and out, how many people were at risk then? These employees were just these. Employees were just outside being a witness on 911 trying to assist. They're at their frigging place of employment. No, I think the officer did the only thing that he had to do to stop this.
Speaker 5:I think you know if you also look at the backdrop, he had one of the best backdrops at the moment. You know, at any point in time he starts backing up. It changes, but at that moment, compared to where those pedestrians were, I think you know those are some of the best options.
Speaker 4:When I thought I heard a canine in the backseat. I could be wrong, but I thought I heard a dog freaking out in the backseat for a second Yep, yep. So I mean that adds to it. You're protecting your partner too.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:If this guy has the courage and the audacity to ram a police car and he doesn't give a shit about just regular people walking around. So if he's willing to do that, who knows, he was already ramming another car. So what you said off, rip. It's like, yeah, we've got to stop him now before something escalates to something or something gets hurt.
Speaker 2:And I would bet through the course of this investigation once it unfolded for CID or the detectives. If you look at all that front-end damage yes, they're plastic bumpers, polymer, whatever, and he did some little bit of ramming inside the drive, the drive-through, and then he did the ramming in the police car. But I'm wondering how much damage he did prior to coming to the, to the restaurant establishment that he hit somebody. Is there somebody out there that's hurt right now, that he's hit already, that may have not been able to call 911? That's, that's a thought that I would have running in my head. Is that a number one officer on duty wants the scene as secure?
Speaker 3:He was hungry. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4:Oh, absolutely I want to hear what his drunken order was.
Speaker 3:And you hit him with theft for the sign too. He tried to steal the sign.
Speaker 2:You bet A little bit of criminal mischief on top of it, man, and you do not let him eat that meal if he survives and goes to jail.
Speaker 5:So yep yeah, he didn't get to eat the meal okay yeah so the rest of the video is basically the rest of the spot. Uh response. And then the SWAT team comes in to empty the van and take him by ambulance, where he was pronounced deceased.
Speaker 4:All over Cheeseburger.
Speaker 7:Twists as we make.
Speaker 2:I wasn't able to check the comments out on this. Let's see.
Speaker 5:So there's a back and forth and you know, Waterburger, you guys need to step up. We've got to get Waterburger to pull a little further higher up on the list. Guys, come on. I mean, they keep saying in and out I don't understand, I don't understand.
Speaker 3:So far two for two. We had two Fafos. Go fuck around and find out on there.
Speaker 2:Yep, and just like I say on all of these, these officers didn't wake up this morning wanting to be put in a situation like this, and that's what the general public needs to understand is this is the very last thing that a peace officer across this country wants to ever get into, last thing that a peace officer across this country wants to ever get into. But I'm glad for the officers that will act in accordance to make sure nobody else gets hurt. And that's the big thing here. We all know that, the officers we worked with in our careers. I'm wondering in the back of your mind if Officer Schmuckatelli over here will act in accordance once that male or female officer gets to that scene and thank gosh, I haven't seen much of that within my career.
Speaker 5:Eric, you're disappointing me. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Eric's about to get his Texas citizenship removed.
Speaker 5:Oh my gosh, Eric, a little humor a little humor. So I'm curious, nick, what are your thoughts about the buck around and find out comments by local officers and sheriffs in your neck of the woods over this whole stuff that's been going on in LA and saying it's not going to happen in Florida?
Speaker 3:I love it. The uh, you know we, we, off off the bat let's just talk about. If you want to protest, by all means go ahead on protest. You know, we, we in my local jurisdiction, we even escort at one point. Escort them at one point, escort them to make sure that they are safe. By doing so, get some water. Okay, you're done. Have a nice day.
Speaker 3:When you start getting out of hand, start breaking laws and endangering people and surrounding cars, they just put something out like you surround a car and that driver feels fierce for their life. It applies to stand your ground where they can take off and if they have to go over a couple speed bumps, then it is what it is. So I mean, in Florida, I love the way that we're doing things and we're handling it. I think it's fair, right, it's not fair that if you own a business or if you're just driving trying to get somewhere, your business either gets destroyed, if they're rioting, and then you can be in danger with your kids in the car, that they're giving us some tools here in Florida. Just, this is a citizen population that they're telling hey, the public, if you feel like you're in danger, you've got the green light. Just go ahead and get out of there until your family is safe Now don't hit reverse.
Speaker 3:Don't do donuts, but you can flee the area. So I love it. I'm all for it, big fan. As I said, I work closely with Florida Highway Patrol and they do not play around. They have a director over there. That is just a real deal, and the colonel's a real deal, and they're letting their officers and giving them a lot of rope to take care of business. So we love it down here.
Speaker 2:Hey, just a question, Nick Do you think that GSP is kind of following suit?
Speaker 3:I think GSP is the real deal too. Georgia don't play either.
Speaker 3:So I mean nothing but love for Georgia. Georgia's the real deal. It's just they're two monsters. They're both equally impressive. I prefer the black and tan cars over the blue and orange cars over there. The blue and orange, they both will. The way that the director said if you flee from us within 30 seconds you'll be in a ditch, and that's just what we're doing down here in Florida. That's what he said on my podcast. I had to take a second and go clean myself in the bathroom. It was really good.
Speaker 2:Greatness, greatness, greatness, greatness.
Speaker 5:So, Jared, what about Arizona? Like, can you tell us a little bit about Arizona?
Speaker 4:Arizona is kind of a hybrid. So you get your F around and find out and then you also get your. You know we'll back off and we'll just keep a distance type thing. It really depends upon the situation. I mean, there's that famous video out there from Phoenix PD where they're shooting that dude in the balls with the 40 mil on accident. So you know, you bring it, they bring it back, definitely Arizona's. You know wild, wild west Right.
Speaker 2:Right, I'd agree. I was just going to say you go, you go.
Speaker 2:My apologies, I think I got a delay on this. I've ridden out with Arizona State Patrol years ago when I was back in the Marine Corps, was impressed by their professionalism. However, I've also rode out with Florida State Patrol. When my father was stationed at Eglin Air Force Base years and years ago, he was a fighter pilot there and I got two days in a row, one night shift and one day shift and, man, even though it was late 90s, they don't mess around and when they're on that scene it's exactly that. They own the scene. And people don't take my words out of context. They're making sure everybody goes home, okay, and they own that scene.
Speaker 2:And the respect that the state troopers had with the county and local municipalities was second to none. So FSP man love them, also know and appreciate that they came here to help our state, the great state of Texas, with the border crisis going on. To help our state, the great state of Texas, with the border crisis going on. And I'm not going into politics, but for Florida to send an amount of their troops, so to speak, over here to help, just being a part of our great United States, man, was, was friggin fantastic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ronnie D is the man it's best governor that I've worked for and just he took some of the COVID money that was sent that he wasn't using and he gave us a bonus first responders a bonus of I want to say it was like either $1,200, $1,300 right around Christmas time to help out and just show the appreciation I've never had that before ever, ever, ever from any governor, and I can just say that he's a real deal as a governor we're happy to have him.
Speaker 2:That's outstanding man. It's always good to have a full administration backing when you have not the easiest job to do out there keeping the peace and making sure people go home safe. Let's see what Eric said there. Throw up Eric's comment.
Speaker 5:How I train. Make contact with protest organizers. Let them know you're there for them. Focus on anti-agonizers. Violence actors give loud announcements for 15 minutes with flyers letting them know. So Eric is actually overly trained in this area. When he puts his bicycle shorts on and gets on the bicycle for uh he's worked some of the rncs dncs in the past.
Speaker 5:Uh, he works with one of the really good teams there in texas. That kind of get shipped all over the country when, when the need arises, I will say Tex has stepped up, he is part of the bicycle team as well, and so his specific team is yeah, they don't play around, they can use those bikes to their advantage.
Speaker 3:We laugh up front, but when we're talking real. We have some bicycle response teams and during our little riots they were kick-ass.
Speaker 5:They were the all-stars of everything.
Speaker 3:They were able to move around really fast, respond really fast in a unit and then, like you say, use those bikes to their advantage. At first it's funny, but they even got cool ninja suits with all the armor.
Speaker 5:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, got cool like ninja suits with all the armor. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you ever want to watch uh cool videos, uh, seattle pd for when they do mayday their bike patrol man, they are no joke what they can do I believe that's where.
Speaker 3:That's where, like everyone, that's the mecca of bike units. Is that yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, seattle like sets the precedent for the country yeah, and up there I'm sure they carry freakingging rain gear with them. I know it rains quite a bit. They have a whole saddlebag full of flashbangs.
Speaker 4:It's amazing what they do.
Speaker 5:Well, and then how they can interlock their bikes together and just create a barricade with it. So there was a big we some riots this that were no king, whatever riots here in Texas and it was interesting there were several videos where it didn't become an incident because of the response was at the level it needed to be and they had the manpower ready to go. Absolutely, response was at the level it needed to be and they had the manpower ready to go, so absolutely I was never a bicycle unit guy.
Speaker 4:I'm not built?
Speaker 3:do they make the bike big enough for banning to ride? You got a trike. You could do one of those segues like dr evil and you're right around man I hope my video never gets out of me.
Speaker 2:Our department, where I was at we, we had, I think, two or three given and I think they called it like, uh, an evaluate phase to see if our department wanted it, and everybody in the patrol division or canine had to go get on it, ride it for five minutes in the parking lot and basically give a dissertation on what they thought it was. Well, I didn't really get a class on it. They just told me hey, it's self-balancing, you get on this thing and you'll lean forward and it'll go wherever you lean. And I'm I lean on the on the bigger side of things and these are big segues. I'll give them that. But this is when segues also first came out and these were the police edition. So they I guess we're a little bit quicker and more nimble than the civilian cat.
Speaker 2:Whatever, I'm not a Segway expert. I got on this dude and I can tell you I can't run this fast. Um, this thing got to go in and I've got this little tiny little helmet on my on my big fat head and frigging I'm going down the back alley behind the PD and I tried to Yig and it went that way. And then I hit the fence and so you can tip a segue over, and it will go like this along with your body. I haven't gotten on one since I don't do the segues. Man, I know they have their place in malls and the beach.
Speaker 5:So, to go along with Eric's comment here, how many likes and subscribers do we have to get to get that video?
Speaker 2:oh, dude uh I know where it's at I don't know man that'd have, that'd have to be a. Uh, I'd have to go sit with eric on a on a saturday night and maybe have a couple adult beverages to, to agree, and he had to think why I had an adult beverage in my body before. Yes, so, and then y'all would have to show it and I'd have to act it from me while I had an adult beverage in my body, and then y'all would have to show it and I'd have to act like I'm pissed off about it for a minute.
Speaker 5:But it's funny, man, nick, did you serve military? No, okay, I did not serve, All right. So there's some back and forth. That's been going on for a while. So Eric is current, so that's where the two cops comes from. He's a military cop and still in the reserves and then active with a department, and so there's a lot of back and forth. You'll see on there, I'm always trying to hit him up. He served in the Air Force or still is serving, and Harrison's always trying to get beat up by the armchair forces.
Speaker 2:So and uh, yeah, and I, I'm the other, I'm the other other cohost of it, and I'm just, uh, just a small part of this and I was, I was in the Marine Corps, uh, stationed on the East coast my entire time. I joined the marines to view the world and they're like, hey, you're a you're, you're a good instructor, we're going to keep you on the east coast and on your weekends you can go visit places like daytona beach, jacksboro, you know, jacksville, florida, uh, that type of thing. Or if you, if you have a 96 or whatever, you can go visit family out in destin, fort, walton beach and that. And that was my four years in the Corps. So I didn't get to go abroad.
Speaker 2:When I was a child and my dad was going abroad, that's the only time I got to go overseas. But when I actually joined Enlisted, I didn't get to see anything other than the east coast of the United States. It was great, but, yeah, I don't have any cool war stories or anything like that I'm also passionate about it, that's a whole new song coming out about you there, man.
Speaker 2:It is man, it is I appreciate that.
Speaker 3:So do you have to go overseas to eat crayons, Like, are you still having that? No man.
Speaker 2:So what's nice is when you get your Eagle, globe and Anchor and you graduate, you know your boot camp, you know they call it the hardest boot camp for basic training in any of the branches. No, you get a lifetime supply of Crayola I have ordered and somebody had asked my favorite color or flavor. I call them flavors and mine is that grape crayon. Give me some of that purple crayon, man, and it's the most flavorful. I want some of that purple crayon. Yeah, that's my favorite man, that's my favorite. So sometimes I'll take it and I'll put it in a cheese grater and just put it over the food or whatever I'm eating, and it's good stuff.
Speaker 3:I keep the crayons from restaurants, so whenever I have a guest who's a Marine on my podcast, I'll slide over the Koreans and have them sitting there when they show up. Got you a little snack and appetizers.
Speaker 2:That's awesome man. That was good stuff. Man Love it.
Speaker 5:Love it. So I went to training in North Texas Allen High School. So they have three stories in this building and it's half a mile from one end of the building to the other, and so the officer has done it so many times. They have a button to call the elevator and so they can, like, haul butt on the Segway and then back in. So when the elevator gets to the next floor they're just ready to go again and like it's a whole different cup of you know, I can't imagine going from one end of that building you know three different times just to go down and deal with something.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'd be worn out and there's only two cops for the whole building. So there's almost 7,000 students on a daily basis are at that building.
Speaker 2:So it was impressive to see.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Somebody wrote a comment and they're banning. Do you get the boxes with the sharpener on the back? You know, I busted my tooth. I'm not going to say it was at a bar and somebody else's beer bottle, but it cut. It gave me a nice set of buck teeth and in the military they'll get you in the dentist when they can get you in. And that was the ongoing joke within my unit is that I had a built-in crayon sharpener right in the front of my frigging mouth, but yeah, until I got them fixed. So no, I did not get the discount or the boxes sent with the built-in sharpener.
Speaker 5:All right, guys, you want to go to the next one?
Speaker 2:You bet man, let's see what you got queued up.
Speaker 5:Biggie sighs Everybody take your drink.
Speaker 6:Watch out, watch out, watch out. Dude you. Okay, I'm pretty awesome.
Speaker 1:Good, ¿Qué tal señor? Suelta el bate. Suelta el bate. Come here. We'll go that way. What's up, sir? Let go of the bat. Let go of the bat. Come here, Sir. Drop the bat.
Speaker 6:Drop the bat.
Speaker 7:Drop the bat.
Speaker 6:Stop there, drop the bat. Stop there, sir, drop the bat, stop there.
Speaker 7:Stop there, stop there.
Speaker 6:Stop there, stop there, stop there, stop there, stop there.
Speaker 7:Stop there, stop stop sir, drop the bat drop the bat, drop the bat, drop the bat that guy man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't. I didn't like that. Obviously the officers didn't intend to do it, but when they started to square off, when he was walking, we got a little blue on blue and I was getting a little nervous at that point there. I've never seen this video. Obviously that made me a little nervous. Granted, I think the body camera they were watching. I think he had a taser out at the time. I was more watching the subject and the other officer. What do y'all have on that?
Speaker 4:I mean, there comes to a point where I don't we don't know the context, of course, but it's like you know, he's got his back to you, just tackle him, yeah.
Speaker 5:That's what I was exactly. You know, eric tried to steal my thunder in the chat but I'm like, yeah, words just go to work at a certain point, you know.
Speaker 2:Yep, long as they have that legal reason to be there and they have that legal reason to stop them, you got to do what you got to do.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. I don't know. Is it illegal to carry a bat?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Right and the moment I tell you to stop if there's an investigation, and now I need you to drop the bat. That's a different story. What's? The context of the stop. I'm guessing there's a call, because they were headed that way. They jumped out when they saw him.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and as soon as he raised the bat towards him, now he's threatened you with it and you know, in my opinion, like he's carrying all this stuff, it's going to be like fighting a teddy bear. And you know, take him to the ground ground, get him on the ground and you do what we are all trained to do.
Speaker 5:and, uh, you, know, at some at a certain point in time, we all need to earn our bruises and and move on down the road. A big shout out harrison brock, uh, donated 20 more memberships. We'll see how long this. So there's something going on behind the scenes that we get to a certain level and they're not able to donate anymore. So far we haven't gotten to that level, but let's see. Oh, steve received one, so he's always on here tonight, but I think everybody has to take a drink because he still has not received one.
Speaker 2:Which.
Speaker 5:Steve Steve Landers, yeah, Self-proclaimed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought it was.
Speaker 5:Pratchett. True love got one. David Smith, brett M R Cooper, johnny, confused, alien I almost thought they were talking about me there for a second C Baker Kyle, allison Secretariat, san Diego and Deadpool that's a good movie. There's a whole bunch of them. I can't keep up.
Speaker 2:Awesome, awesome. All right, let's see what goes on in this video.
Speaker 3:He's walking away from us. Sir, drop the bag. Yes, stop, stop, stop Stop.
Speaker 7:Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop, stop, stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop, stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop, stop, stop Stop. Stop.
Speaker 5:So what does that sound? Tell you guys.
Speaker 2:I mean, we've all been around tasers, not a good connection.
Speaker 5:And so what are we trained when that happens? I mean you got to complete the circuit, so either change or you can't just stand there and keep thinking that somehow it's going to start working.
Speaker 2:Now we got a whole new, because we didn't do work, so to speak, or tackle them to begin with. Now we're at a freaking intersection. We got traffic coming in all directions and I'm assuming we're probably going to escalate to a different force, since the Taser is in op. Anybody else disagree with that so far?
Speaker 4:No, it looks like he's only got. I'm trying to see taser, but listening to the x2, the two-shot right, how do you have the taser 10? This wouldn't be an issue, yeah it's a whole different situation.
Speaker 3:This is where communication with your partners Missed twice. I'm gonna go lethal. You take out your taser, try to if you have time. You guys can communicate like that, which it just seems like a standoff. Now he's waving the bat, all right, man, you try. And then when you've both run out of shots, hold what you got, see if other people can come and back you up. And if the guy charges, then you do business. But again, it's a bat, I don't know. You guys grow up. You guys all seem around the same age is me favorite take. I've been hit with quite a few bats growing up. Uh, some for my mom, uh, some from playing baseball and you know, all through my life, my brother, you know I could take pocket ticket meaty shot to the arm or to my ass. I'll be all right. Anybody else get hit in the ass with a bat oh yeah, yep I got, I took one to the head back of the head.
Speaker 5:I have a bald spot in the back of my head. I was like 12 years old and I stepped in front of a guy that was practice swinging and so you know I learned my lesson. Don't do that again.
Speaker 2:Well, let's, let's, let's talk, let's talk just for one second. Let's talk about that legal, legal authority to be here. You know law enforcement always is. You know, we're not going to press something unless we have that legal authority to be here. Now, if we do, they're giving lawful commands and it's not working. It's not working. It's not working. But what I'm saying and I'm going to segue, no pun with the segue to I know, nick, I'm sure you dealt with in your stretch of the country of when the open carry guys started going around, so there was a big time to where you don't have that.
Speaker 7:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:The open rifle carry is what we had. So you know, I'm trying to remember the time between 2007 and 2010,. I think to where we just had large gatherings at the Walgreens, CVSs, the Walmarts, and where these guys would all stand around they're handing out pamphlets and they've got their AR-15 or what will look like AK-47 that's usually an SKS and they've got it slung over their shoulder and they're giving out pamphlets. And it's just the Second Amendment thing. It never bothered me out there. When they're out there doing this, because they can have it, it's not against the law. Now, if you take that off and you're doing something different with it, yes, but the amount of calls that we received and the not-so-rightly-trained, not-their-fault officers across the country ran into this and how many times did they remove these guns? Did they take somebody into custody because of the training or because the uneducated supervisors were on? Now the country, it spread like wildfire there for a couple of years. I know you all remember this all over YouTube, Guys were having you know, but that kind of reminds me. It's a bat. We can go buy a bat at Academy or walmart and we can absolutely take that bat, throw it up on our shoulder. Piece of straw sticking out of our mouth and walk down main street of just about every uh city, depending on city ordinances, obviously. Um and and, be okay with it, as long as you're not doing in a threatening manner, you don't hit somebody with it, etc. But that's what I think we have here is, is he probably threatened somebody with that bat without knowing the details? That's how what got the first summon to 911. And that's where we're at.
Speaker 2:I think, without looking into this too deeply, it's unfortunately probably a mental health scenario. And you talk, and you talk and you talk till you're blue in the face. But you've got to be an officer there that says I'm going to ask two, maybe three times max. After that you have to do two, maybe three times max. After that you have to do work so nobody else gets hurt, period. And then you've got to be available again for other calls after you get the paperwork done on that. And unfortunately it's in that line. I mean, if anybody else disagrees with it, you're not going to hurt my feelings, but we've got to stop this. There's now. We're at this frigging intersection. That's what I'm. That's what I'm screaming about right now is are these officers wrong? No, they're. They're going with what their training is and obviously they didn't want to do any harm. But Holy shit, guys, I mean this, this, this gets bad really fast and I just want the public to understand that.
Speaker 4:No, for sure.
Speaker 5:A question for you, nick how, uh how many officers or cities in your area always ride with two in a unit?
Speaker 3:None, we have. We we ride one man or one person unit and then but we respond to calls with a backup. So there's it seems like there's more officers out there same amount. But you got two cars pulling up to every scene, unless it's a you know the GOA or subject. Got two cars pulling up to every scene, unless it's a GOA or subject's car, right, right.
Speaker 5:So I just learned this in the last six months I was in the Houston area and was doing some training with the Sheriff's Department and there's a big animosity between the two agencies, with HPD and the Harris County deputies, that every HPD officer rides in a two-man unit and you know Harris County is responding solely with half as many officers, and so there's a lot of back and forth, and I don't know what that would be like to always show up with my backup in the same vehicle.
Speaker 5:That would be an interesting environment that I don't think a lot of agencies can even talk about could be up to 45 minutes away right now. And you know it doesn't matter if he's responding to a domestic fight or just a dog or a cow on the highway. That's where his backup is.
Speaker 2:And that's the same, just Nick. So you're aware you know I told you I came from a larger metro area down in the Dallas-Fort Worth area before I moved out here to BFE. I had over 900 square miles and I was the only one on patrol with about three decently sized little cities in it and you got to deal with what you do. And if I ask dispatch for backup, she is going to attempt to contact the state patrol to see if they're maybe somewhere near our county Sometimes it's an hour or more response or if there's a city officer that's available in one of our only cities that has local law enforcement, which right now it does not, and we're going to go from there. And then she's going to go down a list. She's going to start calling deputies, you know, because our whole county has all of 10. And they're going to start going down that list and waking them up and only about 20% of those deputies live in the county. And then they got to get dressed out, they got to hop in their take-home car run code while I'm there on a felony traffic stop or doing what I'm doing. So the rural areas is what I feel sorry for across this country is not having that proper backup.
Speaker 2:When I worked in the metro area I could say my code was give me a 63. That was emergency, for give me somebody here now and I can make it rain. Law enforcement probably in under two minutes and I could have the Calvary there with surrounding agencies coming to help that monitor the channel for mutual aid. But out there it was like I need units now and it's like man, they're pretty much going to tell you hope you packed a lunch, hope you did this. Hold your ground. I know you're at a scene uh, family violence with weapons, but hold your own and tell us that we can get somebody there. And it's no fault of the the depart, it's just the area, what the commissioners allow for budgeting. And it's disgusting because we have more of those across the country than we do large, uh, municipalities and it's it's it's bad man and reference to back up, yeah, I always think about because we have more of those across the country than we do large municipalities. And it's bad man in reference to tobacco.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I always think about that when I'm like traveling from Arizona to California or whatever and you see, like DPS, you know you're hours away from any civilization. They're out there pulling traffic by themselves. I'm like you know the balls you guys have. I appreciate that so much.
Speaker 3:I rode with the Carroll County Sheriff's Department in Georgia and it's similar. They run, they can run code and it takes them three hours to get to one side, to the other side of the jurisdiction. So it's pretty big. And I was just talking, talking to the guy that was riding with, and I'm like man, you guys, you guys don't realize that you're out here. Like I mean, you realize you're out here by yourself. I guess you don't know what it is to have people at your beck and call. When you're like, hey, I need backup here, the whole world comes because there's a whole bunch of cops everywhere and they're like, yeah, man, no backup, we're just doing our thing out here. I'm like good lord, I wonder if that takes, if there's that when it comes to when you have to use a force and use deadly, force.
Speaker 7:Is that taken into account? That you know, because, again.
Speaker 3:I'm not. I don't patrol that area. But let's say I'm fighting with somebody and in a city I can just hold what I got for a little bit and I know backup's coming. No one's out there and this guy's taking me and I'm going to go out. I'm back dumping into the chest and walk my way up. So I wonder if that takes that into account. There's more use of force. It's interesting.
Speaker 5:Banning can't speak to that, anytime he's ever been involved. He just says get in the restraints. You know I jump and getting the restraints.
Speaker 2:I've been lucky on it. I've gotten into some scenarios and I'm sure the podcast crew watching this is sick of hearing it. But my FTO? I had a two-day FTO policy when I came out to the sheriff's office because I was bringing in 20 years of experience, but they just wanted to show me policies and procedures, give me my Tahoe, send me on my way, knowing that I would be okay out there as long as I knew policies, procedures and ground rules, et cetera.
Speaker 2:But one of the guys, who's one of my neighbors, he's like hey, man, have you ever dealt with cows? And I'm like, yeah, I've gone to rodeos and watched people, uh, uh, wrap them up and stuff. And he goes like, no, I'm a highway. And I'm like, nope, and he's so. He's like all right, sit down, let me, let me, let me tell you how to do this. And he's like you got that brand new shiny cowboy hat and I'm I don's like here's the deal. You get out and you're dealing with a big bull. What I want you to do, man, is you take that cowboy hat off and you sit there and you hold it in your hand and you hold your arms out and you just walk up to that bull and you see the break in the fence where you're trying to get him back and you just tell him here now, cow, go over, here he goes. If that cow drops his head and sn snorts out, he likes you. And boy, let me.
Speaker 2:So there's another video out there, because my first vehicle that they gave me was a slick top Explorer with like three lights on it and a broken siren, and there's a video of me in my dash cam, of me running up, denting my hood all the way up to the top of my and as this frigging bull is just the front end of my floor, with no push bumper, mind you, as a supervisor. I got hired as a supervisor. Uh, you know I didn't have a transport cage, so when I arrested somebody they'd sit in that passenger seat and you just kind of put your hand on that seat belt and you hold them there. Um, so yeah, I've dealt with the kind of patrolling in the in the early 1900s all the way up till today. So it was I'm glad I got both ends of that spectrum. I'd much rather be in a municipality with the right gear that you know you didn't smell it.
Speaker 3:You didn't smell it like something's wrong with this. This doesn't feel like what am I doing.
Speaker 2:I'm like I'm friends with this guy. I've known this guy for a few. He's not going to steer me wrong. I go out there and do that and that fucking bull almost ate my lunch man.
Speaker 5:Are you sure that the the big like the beard didn't like a big drape, like a red drape?
Speaker 2:Come here come here that that bull saw me as a threat and he was about to just waylay me into tomorrow. Man, I'm just glad I had that in my car right there, All right.
Speaker 5:Let me ask you this question. Let's talk about one thing in that video that didn't get said. So when he deploys his Taser, why are we expected to say Taser, taser, taser, and do we have to? And?
Speaker 4:what are the. You know what are the ramifications for not doing it. You know, I mean it's really agency specific, but most of our policies say yes, you have to announce Taser because you want to avoid a sympathetic response and you want to let everyone know exactly what you're doing, that you're pulling Taser versus firearm or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and my thing when we first got it in 2000, the end of 2003, going into 2004, I believe we were one of the first agencies in Texas to get it was to allow your backup units. Know that that's not a firearm in your hand, that's a taser. And you're yelling taser, taser, taser. Because you all know when these X-26s first came out and you deployed and those little plastic doors popped off, it could have been a pretty loud pop and somebody with not enough training experience may think that that is a gunfire and they may reciprocate. And that's scary man, if it's a non-deadly force situation and they took that as deadly force and I think that's why it is the way it is across the country. On a lot of them I could be wrong.
Speaker 5:Yeah, my agency is still carrying them, so I forget which one we're on, like Generation 4, but we are nowhere near 10. So it's pretty interesting that. But they still operate the same and do a really good job if you have the right training and use it in the right environment.
Speaker 4:Once you get your hands on that 10, Alan, it's a game changer. I know I've gotten to shoot it and play with it.
Speaker 5:I'm jealous, is that?
Speaker 3:the one with the multiple, or is that the flip one?
Speaker 4:No, the flip one was the seven, so the 10 has 10 shots in it and you just keep going until you get that connection. I saw a demo.
Speaker 3:Like a. Gatling gun yeah.
Speaker 2:Let me age my agency's discretion on the tools that they decided to use. I went with my company to go demo and I'm not going to say the agency we were at, for obvious reasons to put on a demo for the company that I worked for, for CAD and RMS, and we did the demo and after the demo we went out in the lobby and looked at their historical it's almost like a trophy cabinet of their equipment from the early in the late 70s, early 80s and you can see the old radios that were 24 inches 70s, early 80s and you can see the old radios that were 24 inches bit I do too the old dispatch consoles with the all the push button stuff. That was all analog, uh, then you see the radio slowly getting smaller and then in the early 2000s they had that first taser and it was the x26 and it's sitting in there literally with dust on it and I'm like holy shit, that's what my old agency is carrying today and I don't know if they're getting this shit off Amazon or some dark web, old ass, you know, because they don't have the money for equipment and it sucks for those deputies. But that's the same taser we were carrying when I just retired last year.
Speaker 4:Hey, but it works man.
Speaker 2:It does, it does and in 21 years, man, I never deployed a taser. I did drive stun one guy and I don't recommend your legs ever hang out of a car while the car's in reverse doing donuts trying to get somebody to stop. But sometimes you've got to do it. But that's the only time I have ever used a taser. I've never deployed probes into somebody. I prefer to use my sticky fingers to grab something. I prefer to use my sticky fingers to grab something I know what's going to happen and stop that action and get them in cuffs.
Speaker 5:Was the window down before you went through the window? I have so many questions right now. We could have a whole different episode.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. I would have to have my report in front of me to refer back to that question.
Speaker 4:I don't recall.
Speaker 2:Can you tell me what line that's on, please? You said they're trying to read it.
Speaker 5:No, I don't remember, man Sir you're going to have to read that for me. My brain is scrambled right now.
Speaker 2:All right, Alan what you got.
Speaker 5:We're still on that one oh that's right, it's the baseball bat.
Speaker 3:We don't know what happened. That's right.
Speaker 5:It gets better. So if you read your private chat guys, I told you a little bit they have a reason to be on the call. Very well, we got another taser out. Drop the bat, sir. Sir, please drop the bat. I forgot what he said.
Speaker 1:Sorry, vamos a conversar, vamos a conversar, vamos a conversar. I forgot what he said, sorry, let him go, let him go, let him go, let him go, let him go, let him go, let him go, let him go, let him go, let him go, let him go, let him go.
Speaker 6:Please drop the bat. Drop the bat.
Speaker 8:Drop the bat. Drop the bat, drop the bat.
Speaker 1:Don't reach in your pocket. Donon Take your time. Drop the bat, drop the bat.
Speaker 6:Drop the bat. It's over here. I got it. I got it right here. Drop the bat. Hold on Gideon. I got it, gideon. Hold on, drop the bat, sir. Sir, drop the bat, sir, drop the bat.
Speaker 5:We could say this like a broken record, but every show we talk about one person needs to talk, sir, drop the bat.
Speaker 7:Sir, drop the bat, drop the bat, sir.
Speaker 6:Sir, drop the bat. This is too dangerous, bro, sir. Drop the bat. Go ahead, sir. Drop the bat, sir, drop the bat, sir, drop the bat, sir, drop the bat, sir drop the bat.
Speaker 7:Sir, drop the bat, dangerous bro, go ahead, we need another unit coming in.
Speaker 6:Code one now Drop the bat, drop the bat, drop the bat.
Speaker 7:Drop it, drop the bat, sir. Drop the bat, drop the bat, drop the bat, drop the bat, drop the bat, drop the bat, drop the bat.
Speaker 6:Drop the bat. Drop the bat.
Speaker 7:Oh, shots fired, shots fired.
Speaker 4:Shot fired, shot's fine.
Speaker 2:There was. You know and I'm not going to quarterback these guys, but if we're just looking at this on, how else can we tackle this? How many times did he put that bat? Because we knew his offhand was obviously his right side. He was coming up with it like this when that bat's being held by that offhand down the left side. Why didn't this officer with the taser and again not quarterbacking run in and line him down to the ground?
Speaker 4:Especially when there's two of you. One of them does the look at me, look at me, while the other one tackles.
Speaker 2:Exactly, just clown him. Clown him and get him down. But is that officer wrong? No know, it's. Uh, there's. There's so many ways to deal with this. I mean we hate to see the loss of human life so earlier the call came in as a nearby business strip.
Speaker 5:The security guards called uh, the police department. There was a man with a bat. He had been asked to leave the property several times Earlier on in the day. He actually hit the security officer with the bat when they were trying to get him to leave and so, when officers responded, he was later pronounced deceased on the scene.
Speaker 4:That's terrible. You can tell that there was some mental health stuff going on. Like I said, they did what they did. There's no fixing it, but I think there was other options. It was sad that that guy lost his life because of it.
Speaker 3:There's training points. I'm sure you guys talk about this, but drop the bat, drop the bat. These guys were just. They were just at a high level where they couldn't understand what was going on. They need to take some breaths, slow down and think about some stuff. If you're talking to this guy in English and he's muttering Spanish back at you, no matter how many times you say drop the bat, he's not going to drop the bat. Obviously this guy had a little bit of mental issues, and again, I'm talking as though we're just training here. Oh, I got a green screen.
Speaker 5:I thought that was real, the whole time, oh Manning, you just switched over there, buddy.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm looking at it now trying to fix it, I think this is the third, uh, no eric makes a lot of points, uh, on the show in the past about um, too much de-escalation turns into a higher use of force. You know we've we've gone to this whole world of de-escalate, de-escalate, de-escalate, de-escalate, de-escalate. But you know there's a time and place where you just punch them in the face and get them in handcuffs and I think it resolves it quicker than if you have to go all the way through the continuum. What is your experience with that, gentlemen?
Speaker 3:I would just go back to what I was saying and, if the opportunity is there to tackle and end that with just putting your hands on the person, absolutely, um, just going off of what what they were saying. But yeah, there was plenty of opportunities. The moment he's moving with the bag and and he's switching hands and batting hands. Communicate with your partner.
Speaker 3:Communication is key when it comes to these situations, being able to take that tactical breath and then, communicate with your buddy or your pal, like, hey, when he moves it, I'm going in, you know, so he knows what's going on, or they know what's going on, and that this person obviously speaking in a different language, so more than likely you're not going to understand. You, you deal with the lips. This is the universal sign for me. I'm going to take them down and then you just go at it, you know, just go at it, wrap them up and then have your partner. You better get your ass in here with me.
Speaker 5:You know, one of the things I noticed, and I think we all have that imaginary line of I'm not going to let him continue walking down the side of the road because he could jump into a moving vehicle. You know, if his intentions are to make us take his life, you know, I've had people run out in front of vehicles, you know, and so in our mind we have that imaginary line that we're not going to let them cross, you know. You know, are there more oncoming businesses coming in where he could run into a door? You know, and I think you know, one of the benefits they have is they work together every day. And you know, I knew from the three officers so they're in my department. It was three officers on the street, that's it, the three of us, for there was about 7,800 people for our community and we could.
Speaker 5:You know, when somebody responded I could almost tell by the words they were saying what they wanted me to do. When I moved in behind them it was like nope, they're, they're talking them down. So I'm ready to grab hands or um, are we? You know? But most of the time I wouldn't like if that guy had a bat. I probably wasn't telling you drop the bat.
Speaker 5:I was trying to hey what's going on today you know how's the weather to uh, get them out of their oodle loop. You know, and I think the officers needed to do that too for each other. Sometimes you forget that you've just told him to drop the bat 20 times because you are so amped, like you were saying, and some of the ways to do that is change the conversation, change the narrative oh, don't trip on that rock and they change their focal point. And we're all human and I think they could have played off of each other a little better. But I don't want to say that they did things wrong, but I do think that there's training and experience that will definitely help moving forward.
Speaker 4:And just the fact that the one officer backed himself into the street too and then put his back towards traffic. Don't do that.
Speaker 5:So Banning this is the line of work you were in A lot of people are wanting to talk about. We could have sent a K-9 in on this. So the one thing I would have to remind people is the community that that that was houston pd. And, uh, they say that the city limit, the state of connecticut, will fit inside the city limits of houston.
Speaker 2:Yeah, houston is a is a is a large. I go to houston quite often. I know a lot of there's a lot of great cops in houston. I can't speak for all of them, but I can speak for the ones that I know, um and I, and I know I well, they're probably back on patrol now, but I knew a couple of the canine guys years ago.
Speaker 2:You know canine in this situation as quick as he was to get that bat in position. You know, are you going to send an officer with no weapons other than his teeth to go after something with a weapon that can turn deadly? No, but my whole thing of going in, of utilizing an officer and the physical strength of knocking somebody down, disengaging them to get them into custody and get that bat away from them, is what I will say may have been a different alternative that may have changed. This is is. Is my opinion of that correct? Not necessarily, that's, just officers will do different things, but I would. Definitely it would. I don't think it would have made it to that intersection, um with with a different group of folks. They're not saying that these officers were wrong.
Speaker 5:Yeah, mr Belfold, you have to remember. You know there's a reason why you sit on my side of the stands a lot of the time the drinking game. I'm not biggie sizing on purpose, so I get to say the word biggie size. All right, I think that covers that video. There was several back and forths and then there's also some conversations, so let's get everybody's perspective on the argument of homeless and him. You know, I can kind of see that that's probably what we're dealing with. Somebody didn't want to leave where they're living. So how would you handle a similar situation with a homeless person? You know they're not wanting to move from where they've been living. I guess let's start off with Nick. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3:I want to go back to the previous one with the bat. I say we bring back you, got your partner that old school where you used to like go on all fours and then your buddy would push and they would fall over. Say, if we implement that some DTs and defensive tactics, let these people that grew up on their phones, you know, teach them about that little move. I think we save a lot of lives, guys.
Speaker 4:I'll start the movement. I will endorse that policy, if you write it up, yeah, I will.
Speaker 5:I will you make sure the videos get put out there, because I would be laughing the entire time see the guy creep up behind them.
Speaker 3:No, with the homeless is just, we have you, you know got to offer them another route. Hey, you want to go to this, shelter, this space. Again, they're not breaking any laws or doing anything, it's a business, and the business doesn't want them on their property. And then you got to go and it becomes trespassing if you don't leave. But in any case, we always offer shelter and then if they're breaking the law right, you know, or an ordinance, city ordinance or something then they're going to have to go. But first and foremost is how can we help you? Man, we want to help you. After that, you don't want any help. Well, you got to leave, you don't want to leave. Well, now you got to go with me, and that's, that's the name of the game okay, I've got to say something here.
Speaker 5:Harrison brock somebody said five more memberships. Yeah uh, if you could turn up the gain on your, your mic, just a little bit. Uh that, or move in closer to your mic the mic's, not I'm, I'm faking it.
Speaker 3:This is just a prop today.
Speaker 5:Let me go, okay, okay so um harrison brock donated five more memberships, and guess who I received one. Eric received a membership.
Speaker 4:I thought you were going to say Marine's Blood for a second. No, you did not.
Speaker 5:Marine's Blood is still off the list, but Eric is on viewership tonight and so he receives one. That's awesome.
Speaker 2:That is priceless.
Speaker 5:Jared I was going to ask you to take this one. I don't know how Eric mispronounces her name Nevaeh all the time, but she's always been a great viewer. Can you help on this comment real quick?
Speaker 4:I mean to your point yeah, we don't know what we don't know. We don't know what the interaction with the security guard was. We don't know how it played out. He said he was assaulted. We don't know the whole truth behind that. As far as police are trained to lie, I mean I'll give you that in certain situations. Yes, we are.
Speaker 4:However, when it comes time to it, we have to tell the truth. That is the oath we took, um, but I will give you that, yes, we have been trained to lie. I lie to people all time when I say you're not going to jail or something like that, or we'll figure it out, or something like that. Things change, but you know, the oath we took was to tell the truth. The ones that are lying and not doing that, they shouldn't be cops anymore.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, hey, throw up Mr Belfort's comment about Chesty Puller.
Speaker 5:That comment about chesty puller, that's a marine. Well, I gotta be careful. Which one are you talking about? Because the one he posted earlier I can't post chesty puller. Uh, well, I'm behind. Sorry, I'm. I'm reading them going. Oh my gosh, uh, no, no, I'm way behind. They're here, hold on, let me get okay, there we go.
Speaker 2:yeah, chesty puller will identify. Will identify as a Volkswagen before Marine Blood gets a gifted membership. And if you guys want to know who Chesty Puller is, we don't have the bandwidth nor the time to go in that, so I suggest you Google him. He's a badass, that's all I can say.
Speaker 4:Yeah to some of the comments on here too. So I don't know what it was for you guys in your cities, but we were spoiled. We had this group they were called CBI that would come out Anytime we had to deal with somebody with mental health or homelessness. We could call them out and they were kind of a third party that would intervene and help get them resources, give them a ride somewhere. So bless those people, because those saved me so many times when I had to deal with people, you know, cartloads full of crap that I don't know what to do with. You can call them and they can help out and make sure those homeless people still get to keep all their possessions and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yep, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 3:And I was going to say, like, if we, if we keep like a bucket of baseballs in our car and then we get to throw baseballs at the guy, see if maybe we can get him to toss the bat, or something like that. I'm just thinking of other ways, I'm trying to get outside the box.
Speaker 3:And on a real note, on a serious note, and I'm sure you guys outside the box and on a real note, on a serious note, I'm sure you guys talked about riots and everything. But I've been in skirmish lines where rocks were thrown at us and the rocks are coming in kind of they're big, they're like big, baseball-sized rocks, but they're coming in slow and I'm like if I played college ball, my man, if I had a glove, I just catch these like nothing. It just like boom, boom, boom. One of our officers broke her wrist. You know, she hit her in the wrist and broke her wrist. I'm just thinking like man it would be. And when they're throwing those frozen water bottles, a baseball, a big center field glove and you just catch some stuff as it's coming in, get your catcher out there. Are you guys with me on this?
Speaker 4:Again, if you write that policy, I will endorse it.
Speaker 3:Alright, we've got two policies tonight in the live stream.
Speaker 5:I don't know. You know that hockey mitt. If you've ever been hit with one, oh my god, you could add that one to the use of force continuum.
Speaker 2:I could just hear that In an evidence hearing officer. Is it true that you used a baseball style glove on your left hand to backhand somebody to get a weapon? Because yes, but he was throwing rocks before that. We were having to catch and release and work our way up to the seat.
Speaker 4:In my defense there wasn't a policy saying I couldn't do that. Sure, sure.
Speaker 2:You know how many chiefs are right now watching this, like we are adding? No, that's it.
Speaker 3:We're going to stop shopping at the police supply. We're going to Dick's Sporting Goods.
Speaker 5:That's right.
Speaker 3:Our officers.
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Speaker 2:Yeah no, they're definitely good company, man, definitely good company. So that's, that's good stuff, man, all right, was that your last video?
Speaker 5:alan, no, I no, I've got more man, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2:How are you on time, Nick Cause? I don't want to keep you here. Uh, I don't know if you got to wake up super early.
Speaker 3:I fell asleep 20 minutes ago, man.
Speaker 2:There you go, man, there you go. I'm just on autopilot. I love it, man Love it.
Speaker 5:All right, here we go. So I don't know what happened here, guys, but police activity. Once again, thank you for being out there so we can utilize your video and make it happen. But they must have been on a spree of things from a certain agency.
Speaker 3:Where were you involved in the accident? No, what? No, no. That's not the. Where were you involved?
Speaker 4:Got your vehicle listed as the vehicle involved in the accident.
Speaker 1:I got video footage and everything. Buddy, I'm not here to debate about it.
Speaker 5:So what's the first couple things that you guys are picking up on? If you're on even a traffic stop from this, I'm going to need you to step outside the vehicle.
Speaker 3:I'm not giving you the old vehicle. Come on out here outside the vehicle, sir. Let me talk to you. I can't clear your hands. I don't know what's in his seat. He's in his own world over there.
Speaker 5:I need to get him over to me and that's the one thing that I'm picking up on as well is he seems to be inebriated from you know.
Speaker 3:I don't know if he's hit his head or if he's high or what, but he was slurring his words, pretty well, so here we go you said what so which one? Okay, so what was your intention. You don't want to provide any information you know state law to do that right.
Speaker 6:What did you hit? Final update on the 16th park.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to debate about it with you, okay. What we're going to do is we're going to put you in handcuffs. We're going to put you in the back seat.
Speaker 5:No-transcript and they're going to block the crash.
Speaker 6:Okay, hey, whoa, whoa go, go, go go, Shots fired, shots fired, shots fired.
Speaker 2:Daggummit man. We don't know what his intentions were. A reasonable and prudent persons may say, hey, uh, I've got some I'm going to have to get rid of before we go that route. But I believe there's, there's something in the system here, either alcohol, drugs et cetera. Uh, to go, you know what?
Speaker 4:y'all Jared Nick what y'all definitely had Definitely had something on board, that's for sure. He was sweating like crazy, his eyes were all crazy and he wasn't comprehending the questions they were asking him.
Speaker 5:Even as he went to his waistband, he was all like I don't know how long they had him stop.
Speaker 3:It seemed like I didn't see that initial officer. I thought that was the initial approach. I don. They had him stop. It seemed like the. I didn't see that initial officer. I thought that was the initial approach. Um, I don't know, they had him stop for a minute. That's why they let him sit back down or they didn't pat him down.
Speaker 3:This is the. This is the subject, uh, or suspect in my, in my hit and run man. We gotta, we gotta, detain this guy, pat him down. And then, why do we announce what we're going to do? I never, when I used to FTO and I would tell them we're not announcing what we're going to do. I'm going to put you in handcuffs, put you in the backseat of my car and I'm giving you the play-by-play. So now he's thinking well, I ain't going back there, or whatever the fuck he's thinking. If he's asking me as an officer that's done this, I'm thinking that he doesn't want to go after I announced what I was going to do have you ever put somebody in handcuffs and then driven their car to a different scene, like he said he was?
Speaker 5:going to do that like we're going to take your vehicle back to the crash you got a flat like that's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4:You get a flat like no that's a
Speaker 5:crime scene yeah it's crime scene, like. But like, as you were saying, like you're just uh, yeah, I can see having a conversation, hey, let's go back to my vehicle, let's have this conversation, but not you what. What we're going to give, uh, you know, here, let me play it out for you and see how this is going to go.
Speaker 3:I always would tell my uh trainees is like let's, let's try to keep it at 0%. That's what I want. I want zero, zero percent chance of something happening. So if we have to inconvenience somebody, for the moment it is what it is. We'll let you go if there's no crime. But we're gonna either put you out of a position of disadvantage, we're gonna sit you down, we're gonna handcuff you. I'm gonna ensure that, if I'm dealing with you, that you do not have any firearms. You just committed a crime.
Speaker 3:There's a lot going on there Again, not to Monday morning quarterback, but this is like I look at this as training Somebody said in the comments is copsplaining, it's whatever, whatever, but it's to educate more, right, Both the public and somebody listening, watching and saying what did he do wrong? Think there's some things that could have been done better? Say what did he do wrong.
Speaker 5:I think there's some things that could have been done better. Sorry, I was trying to catch up on the chat. There was something I must have missed Eric's on a tangent.
Speaker 4:What Eric on a tangent?
Speaker 5:Yeah, imagine that he's not even on the show and he's leading the show.
Speaker 2:And I'm aware of the green screen issue. Again, there's just no way for me to fix it unless I go out. I'll be right back. Yeah, you're fine.
Speaker 5:So the crash happened. There was three vehicles involved. This one is the third vehicle. He left the freeway. There was a general broadcast over the radio for the possible third vehicle. Patrol officers were able to locate the vehicle in the area. Officers made contact with the driver. As the officers attempted to detain the driver, we saw what happened with regards to the crash investigation. So that's how they were told about it.
Speaker 3:Somebody wrote, and I read it here in the comment section what law did he break? And I believe there was a BOLO that you just read out. There was a BOLO for this vehicle.
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 3:Even so, you're still conducting an investigation. It's up to me to figure out if you broke the law or not. So once I deem you as a person that I'm going to investigate, you have to comply with what I'm saying, Because I suspect that you committed some crime, Until I can say otherwise and say you know what. It wasn't you. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, sir. I apologize. It is what it is and he's back. You think you should leave the green screen?
Speaker 4:up so people can put stuff behind you. Are you sure people can use what goes behind you?
Speaker 3:Would you like you know, at a strip club or something back there?
Speaker 5:No, I think we actually may have been in a strip club parking lot, anyways. So you know, vehicle leaves a scene of a crash, that's an automatic. And you're suspected that vehicle, that's an automatic investigation. In my opinion, I don't think you need more information than that, especially, you know, even if they said it's a green suv and you have damage to the vehicle, then you're, you're automatically.
Speaker 4:in my opinion, you have enough uh to to do a thorough investigation or you had the in and out caller who gave you what kind of tires he had on the car and everything.
Speaker 5:The serial number that belonged to the tires.
Speaker 4:Here's the VIN. I got it for you.
Speaker 2:I would have taken that 911 caller over the majority that I've had over my career.
Speaker 5:And the second that I talked to him. The moment that he responded to us first, I have a right to be there, and the second that he responded to me. Now I can't let him leave in that vehicle Because I automatically I'm like no, there's something going on with this guy. We have to go down this rabbit hole and figure out, because he's not safe to drive, the vehicle's not drivable.
Speaker 3:I could smell the alcohol. Exactly.
Speaker 4:That's exactly what I was going to say, nick, yeah the officer was my officer was close enough that I'm sure he was getting hit in the face with alcohol yeah, yeah, I could smell right here through the computer screen.
Speaker 5:It was and and how many calls have we all done to this exact exchange? Sorry, uh, sorry, officer, I didn't know I was driving bad.
Speaker 4:I only had two.
Speaker 2:I'm not even driving, as I've heard that one before all right man, let's see what we got next okay, biggies.
Speaker 5:So this one people may have seen I have seen it but I think it's a good one to talk about. In Houston, man, I know, I think maybe they released all their ancient records. Hey, stop, stop.
Speaker 7:Stop, stop, stop, stop. Put your hands up, put your hands up, put your hands up, put your hands up.
Speaker 4:First of all, her name is Officer Jumanji.
Speaker 7:Hey.
Speaker 5:So that happened exactly a month ago on one of the overpass, walking overpasses in Houston One shot.
Speaker 2:She dropped him and the threat was neutralized and I've seen the video. But it's very unfortunate she had to do that.
Speaker 4:But thank God she was able to end that threat. Kudos to her for being a badass. She ran after a dude with a machete, maintained distance, the dude closed on her and she put him down with one round.
Speaker 5:Good job officer, you're a badass, we will buy you a steak if, uh, you know on the move, you know that's the the. You know eric says one hell of a shot here, but that's on the move in stress. You know things changed when he turned and started coming to. You know her blood, like things, just went through the roof that fast and I feel like she took a good platform, though.
Speaker 3:I think she was running and then she kind of just punched out and just walked them. She was running, definitely on the move to run.
Speaker 5:Right right.
Speaker 3:And was able to place a very well-placed shot. I don't know enough to put them down.
Speaker 5:So in that scenario, one of the things that spoke out to me when I saw it the very first time is thinking about all of the, all the things that you know. We've all been in different scenarios where we have to. We're not only thinking about the suspect, we're thinking about the victims that could be involved in this. And you know, now you're on top of the highway with a numerous sounds and all those things, and then you know the backdrop that she had to think about and you know making that shot in that corridor. It's very impressive. You can tell that. You know she was on her game at that moment and fortunately she was, because I mean, the guy's carrying a mach like that could have ended up in a whole different direction. But those are the things that rolled through my mind. I was like I was pretty impressed.
Speaker 5:It just you know, she was able to go to work and not worry about all of those other things.
Speaker 2:And then let you know that the process of what she's going to have to what she's going to have to go through after that, you know you're going to have internal affairs coming out there I didn't catch the city, it doesn't matter. So, yeah, you're going to have DPS and probably a ranger coming out as well to assist as a third party. They're going to take that firearm If they're a good agency, they're going to replace it with another one while she's placed on administrative leave, which is completely normal and then it's going to go to a grand jury and a grand jury is either going to exonerate or recommend charges, and on this you know it's obviously deadly. Force was a you have to. She's given out verbal commands. She's got a legal reason to be there and that's all failing. She's got her legal reason to be there and that's all failing, and so she doesn't get hurt or nobody else.
Speaker 2:She deploys one round and ends the situation. But just think for a minute and I'm talking to the people that are watching this that have never been in law enforcement of what she's going to have to go through the rigmarole to prove that she did her job right, and there's going to be some internal conflict. There's a lot of things that goes on that that officer has to go through until she's cleared to be able to come back and do her frigging job again and it sucks and I'm glad that process is there. But it stinks that somebody has to go through that when they've truly saved the citizens on the street from getting hurt.
Speaker 5:You know, that's an interesting thing you bring up, benny. I would like to ask Jared and Nick so in an officer-involved shooting, so in Texas that's where our experience comes from 99% of us if we're in an officer-involved shooting, we're going to go to grand jury and let the grand jury decide. Um, you know our outcome good shoot or bad shoot, either way. Um, what is it? Does arizona and phoenix feel? Or is that the same process? Pretty much, for, because I, you know, state this, state, it's different.
Speaker 4:So yeah, for the most part. You know, depending upon the scene type thing, your, your own department either investigates or you have a third party department come investigate it. They rule yay or nay, good or bad type thing, and then it goes to prosecutor if they want to press charges or not, if it's a bad shooting or if it's a good shooting. It just kind of ends there and um, you start your, that's all during your your mandatory time off, like as you guys talked about getting your new weapon and all that stuff.
Speaker 3:Pretty much the same. Once that is over, then they'll go over, if there was any policy violations. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 5:Pretty well. Once we take it to the attorney's office, they even will take it to the grand jury and let the grand jury make the decision in Texas, instead of them having to be, you know. So they're not just showing that they cited one way or the other, so that's one of the things that's kind of held over. You know. It's like you know, even if you were in the right, you're going to be. That could be like in my neck of the woods we don't have grand jury every month, so that could be two months down the road. Generally they'll rush something like that, but it could be long and yeah, and we never want to take a life.
Speaker 4:But those that have it's probably the worst day in their career that they'll ever have, and the shitty part about it is that it doesn't end there. You know, you, you have to deal with all that, like banding's talking about the process afterwards. You have to relive that multiple times, going through investigations and then probably again therapy. You know you have to keep reliving that and you have to live with that the rest of your life.
Speaker 2:It's a shitty process that never ends you know these, these't frigging superheroes that don this uniform every day. These are people that receive a basic amount of training to be considered good to go out there and the mentality or the mental acuity that they go through after a situation like this, you can't even write in a book, you can't explain it, unless you're in a situation like that, and I know Nick has known people who have gotten into stuff like this. You can't even write in a book, you can't explain it, unless you're in a situation like that, and I know Nick has known people who've gotten into stuff like this. I know Jared Allen myself. We've known people and it changes them in a sense of that process of what they go through.
Speaker 2:And if you don't have what's called an AAR, a perfect you know after action report, and your department doesn't back you in your actions and stuff like that, that even notches you way down on the on the mental spectrum. Um, you know these are just human beings out there trying to take care of other human beings and I know we can all speak on. As you know, the mental health not only for the country needs to get better but it also does for our first responders out there. It has got to get better out there and these departments have got to do a better job to to go out there and attack this.
Speaker 3:So anyway, I'm just looking at this comment here. Every time I fart, I'm flirting with Steve by using his mating call.
Speaker 4:Mr Billfield's a poet, if you didn't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he is, he is. I'm still waiting on Mr Billfold's a poet, if you didn't know. Yeah, he is. I'm still waiting on Mr Billfold. Mr Billfold, listen up, create a LinkedIn so we can send some direct messages back and forth. Brother, semper Fi, devil dog, you got to do it.
Speaker 3:Did my mic get? Does it sound different now? Did I change it on the thing it?
Speaker 2:sounds better, it sounds better, it sounds better.
Speaker 3:There we go, all right.
Speaker 2:Outstanding, Outstanding. All right, Alan, what you got queued up for us brother.
Speaker 7:Is this a?
Speaker 2:marathon, you're muted. No, definitely not a marathon man.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Mr Billfold came on and joined me about a month ago and he's wearing a cheetah or leopard print retro rifle shirt and it was an awesome time. All right, One last one. Here's this one Again. Thank you. Police Activity. We almost exclusively use their videos they do a really good job of, and some of the other ones give away the storyline, so it's harder to break down the way we do it. So here, Okay, so we don't know prior to this why they're pulling him out of the vehicle, but this is a back and forth that there are a lot of TikTok warriors out there that constitutionally say that we have no right to take somebody out of their vehicle. So, Nick, what are your thoughts on that? Thoughts?
Speaker 3:on that. Well, you have every right to take you out of your vehicle, um, extract you if, uh, if need be. Um, actually one of my, one of my videos. I explained it when the ford highway patrol asked the dude to get out. He resisted a little bit and they just ripped them out of the car on a criminal interdiction unit, uh night. So I took some time to explain how we're covered. And yes, it's Pennsylvania versus MIMS. Right, that states that we can extract you out of the vehicle for officer safety. We can articulate it. We ask you to get out, you have to get out, that's it all right, I'll continue on put me in handcuffs put me in handcuffs.
Speaker 4:Put me in handcuffs. Put me in handcuffs. Put me in handcuffs.
Speaker 3:For what?
Speaker 8:Let me try. No, you have nothing. Take my phone.
Speaker 6:Take me to town. I'll be out tomorrow resisting traffic. No, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 8:It's no resisting, I didn't resist.
Speaker 7:You pulled me out my car just now.
Speaker 6:You just pulled me out my car. You just pulled me out my car. What do you want me to do? You guys are responding for two in a farming pen. Uconn should be pulled over at discovery and briar.
Speaker 7:What do you want me to do, my God? What do you mean?
Speaker 6:we do. Oh my god, oh, sit down, sit down.
Speaker 7:Oh my god, god damn, what the fuck, god damn, what the fuck. Sit down, sit down, oh my God.
Speaker 6:Oh my God, doors locked. Copy.
Speaker 3:Watch out, you got it open.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bud You're going to need EMS. She's moving, she's moving, she's moving.
Speaker 3:You get that open sir.
Speaker 7:What a cluster.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was going to write that report. Oh my God, that's a nightmare.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there will be a few supplements on this one.
Speaker 3:Oh, my goodness, the only thing missing is like a, and then a T-Rex walked by. Right, there's everything, and everything that could happen happen right there nothing, nothing's worse than two.
Speaker 4:When you're like your partners are wrestling the dude and you run around the passenger side and you're like, hey, the door's locked. Hey, hey, the door's locked, like I want to help the door's locked that that call is definitely going to make the blotter.
Speaker 2:that goes to the watch commander, that's for sure.
Speaker 5:The best part is he had just told other units that everything was 10-4 and they needed to. You know they could step down and move away, and immediately the sergeant is getting back on going. Oh, by the way, we need you over here. It's bad now.
Speaker 2:That has happened so many times. Anytime and I'm speaking on a supervisor level here I'm going to I've been called out of bed and get dressed out. I'm going to help somebody get halfway there it's an hour drive from the house or whatever and I'm like hey, and they're like hey, sir, you can disregard Everything's 10-4. 10-4. Am you can? You can disregard everything's 10, four, 10, four. Am I disregarding? Nope, I'm going to continue to head there. I'm going to remain on scene until everything truly is 10, four, because that scene can turn around really quick. And if I'm already ready to go, you know you already get a minimum depending on what agency you're at your minimum too, I'm going to go there and make sure they're good. Uh, overtime is out of the question at the time. Make sure my guys and girls are good and come back.
Speaker 4:So Alan, can you put up a century and tacticals comment right there, the one that serves as WTF. So it's funny to say that there was actually a study done that. That that's true. That's a thing. Um, duis are drawn towards police lights and flashing lights things like that.
Speaker 2:It's always a risk and I believe that the study, if you look at the cliff notes, is the more yellow intermittent that you have in there, the less likely that they are to unnaturally head towards that direction. There's probably been a lot of studies done since I read that one, but we tried to add a little bit more yellow to our arrow sticks and everything to add those within the pattern to make the brain not do that as much. Because when you had just you know, strictly on the East Coast you have a lot of blue and blue that's the only thing that's going in the back, and then blue and red from the Mid Coast all the way to the West Coast and then when you started adding that yellow flash pattern in there and they're doing the tests, you had less likely of that vehicle, you know veering and hitting the squad, but that's just what I read.
Speaker 5:I don't know that we do any yellow to the front, though most agencies don't, because this is a head-on yeah yeah, one of the.
Speaker 5:I remember, um, you know, ancient years back when I was actually going to get my driver's license, there was a video that talked about oncoming head-ons. It's because you literally drift towards the headlights in desolate areas and things like that, and so I forget how you know, there was a study done on what the percentage of head-on collisions were because people went into the headlights, and so we are a nature of human element that do what the animals do, and so I would agree that the first aid there, the first thing they did, was worried about the guy on the ground that was in cuff, because as soon as they're in cuffs, we own them and we're responsible for them. Somebody also made the comment he is going to milk that out for a lawsuit and, unfortunately, unless you have the right powers, that be, they're going to pay out a lot of money probably. But then they immediately went into worrying about who hit the next vehicle. And then, eric, I guess, since you're a viewer, we'll give you the details.
Speaker 5:Berkeley County Sheriff's Office conducted a traffic stop near the intersection of Live Oak and Woodward Lane, detained a driver suspected of DWI, while the deputies were standing just steps away from the patrol vehicle. A second impaired driver collided with the vehicle. South Carolina Highway Patrol responded to investigate the crash and has since charged the 32-year-old Michelle Skinner with transporting alcohol in a motor vehicle with a broken seal driving under suspension.
Speaker 5:Second offense driving under the influence. Second offense Skinner received a total bond of $4,000. That's a big bond right there, buddy. Four grand for all that $150 to bond out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, nice 10% there.
Speaker 2:And that's why we're not lawmakers. Wow.
Speaker 5:So I mean, wow, I think you could in in texas. There would have been some different charges, so, um, they would have been steeper felonies, yep. So eric said, do it. I did. We're having a show tonight, eric, so we love you.
Speaker 2:This show is only possible because Eric founded it. I mean, everybody's got to know that Eric founded two cops, one donut, and I'm just a small part of you know, Alan and I are just a small part of this equation, but he had, he absolutely founded this man and it. It's an amazing platform, for sure.
Speaker 5:Yes, yeah, no, that's the last one I have, manning Okay.
Speaker 3:Somebody wrote if cops know the studies, then place the man on the vehicle more likely to get hit.
Speaker 2:for officer safety, I'm going to tell you right now most cops don't know that study. I went outside my command staff trying to educate, just banning, and yes, I spoke in third person to educate myself on everything I can to understand my job better, especially working deep nights for the majority of my career. So I can to understand my job better, especially working deep nights for the majority of my career. So I wanted to understand. And then, once I found that out, I was at liberty to order more yellow lights and add it to my canine vehicle.
Speaker 2:At the time, 2006,. 2007, is when I added more yellow lights I've never had a thank goodness a crash in the rear or the front, just from my training on where to place my vehicle. Or, just luck, thank goodness, a crash in the rear or the front, just from my training on where to place my vehicle, or just luck we dealt with a lot of drunks. But man, it's bad. I mean we all know, we've heard those, we've seen the news clippings, we may have been a part of one, those head-ons or rear-ons from these frigging twinkly lights man happen almost every night across this country and it's disgusting.
Speaker 3:The um so wheeling, uh, the light company, um, my buddy, chris watkins, uh, from wheeling, shout out. I had him on the podcast, on my podcast here, and and he explained that it's eye tracking phenomena or something along the lines of that, and he basically broke it down. They're doing science over there, uh, and their own research and studies. So wheeling, wheeling's, like you know, putting a lot of thought and effort into it. That's why, that's why I learned about it. Um, so, yeah, not all officers uh know that, but then again you throw them in the car. The car got hit by the car, so it's like you got. You know, you're damned if you do. You're damned if you don't. Um, you know, just as long as you're not putting them in the middle of the roadway right, lay down right here and set them off to the side anywhere reasonable where you think it's safe enough, right, and you can say it, but I don't know. So I was on.
Speaker 4:In my career I had three times that happened. We were on stops, especially when I was with the tribal agency, like our police, car lights were the only lights. You know it's pitch black out there, you couldn't see anything. So there's about three times throughout my career that we got rear-ended or smashed into you know that's, uh, definitely something.
Speaker 5:You know that deadleg can come on and talk about.
Speaker 5:That's what his side company or new company is all about and doing a lot of that stuff. So shout out to him but kind of the segue, the Donut Network and the things we're working on in the future we're going to be talking about technology and a lot of that stuff and Jared's going to definitely take know, definitely take us down that rabbit hole on different um availabilities and opportunities with that kind of stuff. And so, um, behind the scenes, uh, you know, you guys are going to start seeing on the different social media platforms about the donut network and different sites, are you know? So go and make sure you like not only like Two Cops, one Donut if you like what we're doing here, it does help us, it does help us grow. But start, you know, following the Donut, the D network, and we're going to be adding more things to come in the near future to to that avenue and things like. So, um, jared, do you have anything you want to talk about? Um, you know what you're doing and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4:Um, I mean, I'm in the private sector now so you might see me traveling out and about. If you thought you finished me on LinkedIn, you kind of see my, my adventures and where they take me. Um, but if you are on LinkedIn, I'd love to connect with you and talk more and if I'm ever out your neck of the woods.
Speaker 5:I'd love to have a drink with you. Mr Bill Foles always makes me laugh. So, eric or Nick, this is kind of where we try to. You know we rounding it. We usually go on a little talking rants um, is there anything you want to talk to specifically? Maybe we didn't cover tonight or what you've got going on, so people can follow you and, uh, see what's going on so I got about 15 episodes of police vlogs that are already recorded.
Speaker 3:I just got back uh with fridays with it was out there in Pinal County Sheriff's. I also wrote their criminal interdiction uh unit out there. So I got a lot of good content coming. Traveling around the nation it's part of uh, you know. It's it's hand in hand with what I got going.
Speaker 3:As far as the app I just created, the police jobs app, and this app is going to put you in contact with police departments across the nation and it's going to put uh police departments in contact with recruits across the nation. And not only that. I've made a system where the recruits are going to compete. It's almost like high school baseball, college football, where they're going to be earning points and then they're going to rank in each state, so you're going to see the top 100 recruits. You're also going to get to earn points, upload documentation, like if you're in the military, if you're in college, so all this stuff.
Speaker 3:If you're looking or aspiring to become a police officer or if you want a lateral to another state because there's a lot of agencies that send out recruiters to other states and I'm going to fix that problem you don't have to go anywhere. Now you can just query and search if your police department who's hot, who wants to be, who wants to relocate from texas and I can find everybody in texas, everybody in new york, wherever it is. I can, I can go out of state, I can be local so this?
Speaker 2:so this nick, bring that app up, nick on his uh, the youtube. What's the? What's the best way to get the picture of your app on there? Which which platform?
Speaker 3:I will go to you. I can go to. Well, I will go to the youtube um. I made a youtube um video and that video explains the why and then it shows the actual app in there. So you're gonna, if you could skim, probably to the five-minute mark. It's about a nine-minute video.
Speaker 3:It's a little bit about a history. So to go back. Not only that, so if you're lateral, it doesn't matter. If you are trying to learn about law enforcement and learn about the application process it's one of the most stressful times in your career is going through those tests the psychological, the polygraph and if you don't have family and law enforcement or somebody to lean on, this app is going to help you tremendously. I have a video library that has tutorials on what what to do for physical agility, what to expect in the academy look at that handsome fella right there um, you know, uh, the polygraph, things like that, obviously without giving trade secrets, but to just prepare you the best to your ability and what to expect. So there's everything you can. You can dm recruiters, recruiters with dmu. You can see listings that are it's kind of like a trulia or zillow, where you can hit a map and then zoom in. So if you want to work in South Florida and you don't know some of these, there's 30, 35 municipalities in South Florida. So there's names like, uh, if you guys, what's Homestead Police Department? Or Coral Gables, but these happen to be in nice areas. So you can zoom in on a map, see where it is and then apply right there so it is. Uh, and if you can hit play, you a map, see where it is and then apply right there so it is. And if you can hit play, you can hit play, you put it on mute. So this way I can just talk over what it is. Okay, so that's the leaderboard right there, so you can see. That's the top 100 right now that are currently in the app.
Speaker 3:We have about 1,600 police applicants that joined us on this movement. Okay, and this is a joined us on this movement and this is the badge system that came up. So these badges kind of made it like Call of Duty, where you have to go in and earn the badge. There's even a physical fitness badge. So if you run a mile a day, you get points. There's test questions where you're going to be testing about the police academy laws, pennsylvania MIMS, right, so the guy in the comment section that was hating. So all this stuff is tested in there and how the badges came up.
Speaker 3:If you look at this diagram, is we reverse engineer? What a class leader would be? So, college degree, you get points. Military, you get points. If you were a police explorer, you get points, lateral points, public service, aid, corrections, security. If you just hit pause right there, try to get a good frame so you don't see my boogers Perfect Side profile Boy. Look at that chin. That guy looks like a Spartan, a Puerto Rican Spartan, all right.
Speaker 3:So the thing is, what we did with those badges is like when you get new recruits, there's 40 new recruits that come into the class and, as I taught at the academy and my partner in the app, he was a director over our academy for seven years, so he knows about the police academy and I taught there. So when you get new recruits 40 new recruits you say one of these people is a class leader. We just got to find out. So we, we determine what makes a class leader and then we we made badges for that. So all these badges should correlate to what would make a good recruit.
Speaker 3:So, man, it's, it's a very robust system. There's nothing, there's zero out there like this for police. So you know, we feel free if you guys want to download it, check it out. If you know somebody is looking to get into law enforcement right now we're very strong in Florida, but our we're gonna be moving to Georgia and then take it on, take it on the nation, I don't want to say the world, but this definitely needs to be 50 statewide and every professional standards unit.
Speaker 2:And for people who don't understand what that is, you know, municipalities across countries have professional standards units and these are units that look at the policies and procedures of law enforcement within their agency and they're also doing the hiring, they're doing the testing If they're a civil service type of organization, which Texas has a lot of, et cetera. And then you have internal affairs that will also dub themselves as professional standards, depending on the size of the agency. So this app truly needs and I endorse it 100%. Looking at it, watching the video Before Nick even shared it with me, I'm like holy shit, man, this is the, this is that golden brick to get your true laterals, people that are, that are all rock stars, coming in with no problems. We can all sit here and talk for days on these officers that get in trouble at agencies and they're asked to resign as opposed to being fired, and then they're going and then the problems continue at the next agency and then they're going and that trickle effect is horrendous. And we're not catching that T-Cole which is the post provider, our overseer in the state of Texas. They're trying to nip that in the butt. So I'm already sent emails to T-Cole here that I want to talk about your app. So we're going to have that conversation going on, man, because this is very important.
Speaker 2:I know Alan will think that I know Jared would think that for Arizona and our counterparts in California, washington, new York, health and quail a lot of the public's distrust on what they think of law enforcement, because it's almost filtering out a lot of the what you don't need. Um, man, I'm so excited about this and and and hopefully I can, I can, I can introduce this to a whole bunch of people. I'm going to record, uh, what Nick's got on on YouTube with his permission, and I'm going to put it on LinkedIn and get it out there to as many police executives as I can on LinkedIn, because I think this has got to be in the now. I wish this was created 10 years ago, but the tech has got to catch up. It's finally there and Nick has capitalized on that for the best of best reasons. Brother, thank you so much for bringing this to the forefront.
Speaker 3:I appreciate you, Thank you. It's been years in the making. It's been living in my head for three years and a year and a half ago I met up with my partner and we hit the ground running. So it's been a lot of behind the scenes. I've had to be kind of careful as far as letting the word out. You know beta testing but, like I said, we're on our fourth day now and we have 1600 uh potential recruits that are in the app, and it's not only police uh dispatcher. Try to find a dispatcher these these days it's really hard.
Speaker 3:So dispatchers, uh, community service aids, whatever the police department's hiring we're offering. And then I also want to fill in if you can't get into the window of police officer, we also have school guardians right, so we need people to protect our kids. You know armed security in there. You get to wear the tack vest, you get to carry around the gun and you get to do one of the most honorable things to protect innocent children. So we have opportunities for everybody. So if you can't get into that window of police officer for everybody, so if you can't get into that window of police officer, we'll move you across the street so you can get in as a school guardian. So this is what we got going on. We want to find a position for everybody.
Speaker 2:Outstanding man. Thank you so much for sharing that.
Speaker 3:All right, appreciate you guys having me on and thank you for giving me that moment to speak on it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no, we'd love to have you on again to get to meet the whole team. So we have officers ranging all over the country. We have one in New York, one in San Diego, illinois, us in Texas, jared in Arizona, and then we're working on some other stuff behind the scenes that is going to really be big. It's DTV, so the Donut Network television, and so we're working with some big things in the works, and so we'd love to have you come back and join the group. The more the merrier I'm in.
Speaker 5:I'll be your Miami guy.
Speaker 3:Awesome, we'd love to have you come back and join the group.
Speaker 5:The more, the merrier I'm in. I'll be your Miami guy. We'd love to have you. I'll get you hooked up to Eric and you guys can talk about. He runs the show a whole lot different than we do. I think it's been an honor to just be a part of it. My mindset's in a different place now and Eric's saying thanks, Nick, for coming on. Appreciate you, Eric. But Benny, you have anything you want to speak about directly?
Speaker 2:No, I just want to echo what the public thinks. There are a lot of you know, even our righteous Steve Ladner bad apples blowing around like tumbleweeds. We 100% agree. We don't want that to happen. I usually don't put people like you in the spotlight, man, but you actually made an outstanding comment there and that is 100% true. We don't want bad apples out there either. You know I'm used to squashing ones that I've seen in the past and those guys and girls know who they are because they're no longer in law enforcement. We want the best of the best out there serving the people that were out there sworn to serve, and that's the only thing we want out there, and this app is going to help utilize that, you know, unfortunately, help utilize that, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:Law enforcement if you look at tech where it is today, it's amazing. With all the AI stuff coming out, some of it can be kind of scary if you don't know about it. Some of it is amazing. The ALPR, which is automatic license plate recognition, is great. It's time for our law enforcement to catch up to the curve of what's going on out there and that's what Nick is doing. Nick is capitalizing for, not for himself. He's capitalizing what the country needs to get those right recruits in the right places to serve those communities. And man, it's frigging righteous brother.
Speaker 3:Free for recruits is absolutely free. Everybody who joins. It's free for you guys to get on, create a profile, everything. We want to make sure that there's no barriers in between somebody that maybe just can't afford it and they would be a good cop. So we want to make sure that everybody has the ability to become a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 3:What you were mentioning about the AI stuff is so where the app is now is the worst it's going to be. We have a chat GPT feature is going to come in to help out the recruiters. The problem we're having is that people are jumping ship because the recruiters aren't communicating. It's because they're getting inundated with hundreds of questions. Do I have to be 19 when the application says 21? What we're going to do is implement that so it can knock out nine out of those 10 repetitive questions that it can have that communication of, where the recruiter sits down with a cup of coffee, looks at the screen and it says approve, approve, approve, approve and goes down the list and approves all the messages. So that's what we got going.
Speaker 3:Appreciate you guys again. You bet, brother, you bet. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:Come on, appreciate you guys again. You bet, brother, you bet. Thank you very much and if you would, if you would hang out for a minute Nick and Jared, once we, once we go cold here and everybody that that took time out of their lives to to tune in here on YouTube or whatever platform you're using. Thank you very much. We're trying to bridge that gap between the community and law enforcement. That's the whole reason Eric created this. Eric is one hell of a sales guy.
Speaker 2:When I got to meet Eric and go on his podcast on a normal podcast and you all should check that out on Two Cops and we're probably going to do another one so I can update it but man, he's a badass cop man and all he wants is that community and law enforcement to come together and that's a major problem across this country and we're trying to identify that, identify the issues and share all of our opinions on it, man and it. You know we're we're a small outfit when it comes to the whole United States, but let's, let's chip away at this and make this better as a team to make it better for everybody and appreciate y'all's time.
Speaker 5:Thank you everybody. You guys have a good night. Look for us. We're trying to get a better night for everybody. We're also in the middle of the summer and so, with jobs changing and all of that, we're just trying to at least have a show every week. So I appreciate you guys bearing with us and we'll get it all ironed out here in the future. Have a good night, guys.
Speaker 2:We'll see y'all.
Speaker 7:Bye guys.
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