Two Cops One Donut
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Two Cops One Donut
Unmasking Police Accountability & Corruption
When those sworn to uphold the Constitution can't recall its basic principles, who protects our rights? This gripping episode delves into four contrasting examples of law enforcement conduct that will leave you questioning the state of police accountability in America.
We begin with a jaw-dropping deposition of Sergeant Joffrey, whose repeated claims that he "doesn't recall" the First and Fourth Amendments while under oath sparked outrage among our hosts. The sergeant attempted to enforce a vagrancy law repealed five years earlier and wrongfully demanded identification from a citizen engaged in constitutionally protected activity. This case starkly demonstrates how constitutional ignorance can lead to rights violations and eroded public trust.
In refreshing contrast, we analyze Sheriff Gregory Tony's masterful press conference defending jail deputies accused of excessive force. Despite his controversial background, the sheriff's methodical approach—establishing his record of accountability before presenting video evidence—provides a blueprint for transparent leadership in law enforcement. The footage reveals deputies using reasonable force against a combative inmate who bit and injured an officer.
The episode also examines two body camera incidents: a Kentucky trooper who repeatedly tased a passenger during a minor traffic stop (who was later indicted for multiple excessive force cases), and Oklahoma officers arresting a combative suspect with outstanding warrants. These cases highlight the spectrum of police conduct from unjustified escalation to necessary force.
What makes our analysis unique is our panel's inside perspective—all current or former law enforcement officers who refuse to operate as an echo chamber. We praise good police work while condemning misconduct, creating a space where accountability and improvement, not blind defense, drive the conversation.
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Disclaimer Welcome to Two Cops One Donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guest's opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language Viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back. You degenerates. Two Cops One Donut. I'm your host, eric Levine, with me, as always, the big gingered bastard over there Banning. What's up buddy? What's up brothers? How are you Good.
Speaker 2:What's up, brothers? How are you?
Speaker 1:Good and officially under the full. I have our own dual jurisdiction and I haven't been drinking yet. Dual jurisdiction formerly Jared Cosina, who is now officially with DTV, and Two Cops, one Donut. He's a part of the family. Welcome, brother.
Speaker 3:What's up, guys? Someone's got to be the pretty face of this.
Speaker 1:I know I got tired of carrying all the weight of that so I figured that I would bring you on. So for those that may be new to what we do here, this is the Two Cops One Donut livestream. It's slightly different from the podcast. On the podcast what we like to do is interviews with police, firefighters, military, but we like to do a more in-depth and community-reaching interviews.
Speaker 1:We also do felons, exonerated people for homicide. We had Derek Thomas I think that was his name. He was convicted in New York for homicide, did 20-something years, 26 years. He was on the Rogan podcast and was exonerated, found out that the detective involved in that case had 27 other cases that were going to be overturned because he was corrupt and doing some shady shit. We also had another person that was actually not wrongly convicted. He was convicted of a crime he did commit but then the sentencing part was improper. So he ended up getting like 52 years for a sentence that he should have only got 10 or less. And the person that he assaulted he did an aggravated assault against a guy that killed his cousin. He got more years. He did 24 years in prison where the guy that killed his cousin only did 10 and ended up getting out and advocating for his release, which was an amazing story. So he was able to get him. They were able to get him out through partly the Innocence Project and other things and his own jailhouse lawyering. He studied up and did his final appeal to the district attorney and it worked. So it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, that's what the podcast does. So we try to have those real conversations, but they're private. There's nobody that gets to talk the live stream. What makes this so fun is the community. The community gets to partake in our discussions while we talk about policing. We we don't run an echo chamber here we very much have the hard conversations and that is part of the draw, I think, to what we do. That's unique. We got guys that are a part of this network, like Detective Matt Thornton. We've got a very young officer out of California, trey Mosley, who's only been a cop three years. Banning's got 20-plus years. Jared is now retired with 20-plus years. We've got who else do we got on the show guys? Kat up in New York, she's been a cop seven years. Daniel, what was that?
Speaker 2:Daniel.
Speaker 1:Oh, and Daniel, Daniel Carr, who's from Police Law News, who's got, I think, 20 years. Maybe I may be a little shy of that, I can't remember but he also has his law degree, so that's another unique perspective. So that's what we got going on with the show DTV. I want you guys to make sure you're paying attention because we've got things rocking and rolling with DTV. The website's officially launched. We've got things moving. We're putting out content. You can find it on Instagram under Watch DTV. I got the website right here. I will share with you guys share, screen share. So make sure you guys check this out as well. This is the DTV website. You can get logged in. We have our memberships. I think are about to get started.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you guys try to do them Cool. If not, don't worry about it. I'm not sure if they're quite ready, but I want to give you guys a little sneak peek. Um, yes, we know the picture in the background of us is comical because it's ai, a version of us, and that's part of the fun. Um, so, before you guys get crazy on us like that doesn't look like you. Well, that's because it really isn't. It's an ai guys, man we gotta have stuntmen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's our stunt doubles. That's right. That's right. Well, let's jump over the chat. I've already seen mag dumps on here. We've got uh, I don't recognize johnny, but johnny's on. Welcome, johnny. Appreciate you, nina. Uh, chandra, she's on here quite a bit. How's it going? She said good evening and if you end up listening to this later, just just remember, if you just listen to this, because we upload these to our podcast, you can always jump over to YouTube on the live and watch what we got going on if you want to keep up with what's going on.
Speaker 1:So, andy Fletcher, see people ego. Yeah, that's right, from Andy Fletcher, I like to call him Fletch. Sebulus Maximus is on one of the coolest names ever, as always, my mama, mj, mj, as I like to call her. Just now, for the first time ever, mr Bill Fold is in the house. He said you self-proclaimed heroes need to grab your ankles and welcome the cartels into your fourth point of contact. Ew, no, that's my uh-uh hole. I don't know what you guys call it, but that's my uh-uh, uh-uh, uh. Oh, steve Ladner's in the house. How many of y'all have actually sat down and read the constitution and bill or the bill or rights. Um, I've never read the bill or rights, steve, but I think that was a test that steve was doing to see our attention to detail. What do you think, manning?
Speaker 2:I don't even, I can't even give an opinion on that, man, I'm just uh yeah, he's.
Speaker 3:You know, it sits on my bedside table and I review it nightly.
Speaker 1:So right, I, I actually have the bill of rights, uh, painted on my ceiling so when I go to bed I can just keep reading it. Steve Wallace in the house love that man. Let's see what else we got here. Steve Ladner, I not only have read it, I have it on my bedside table. See right, nina said Sergeant Levine, I've been having some tough times, but your show eases the pain a bit with good chuckles. Thank you to you all for that. A whatever we can do to lighten the load. I'm sorry you're going through that. Whatever it is, thoughts and prayers for what it's worth. Ozark Moon's in the house. What's up, ozark? She's out there kicking it with us tonight. So sorry I couldn't make it. Last week, y'all. I was on vacation with my fam and I threw it to the guys to keep it running and, lo and behold, they came through like rock stars with having Nick off duty on. What are the chances of that?
Speaker 3:He only agreed because we told him you weren't there. That makes sense.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. I don't blame him. Actually I had a very long conversation with him today talking about his app. Make sure you guys check it out. If anybody's out there interested in police work, nick off duty does have an app called um police. Give me one second. I got it on my phone. Actually it is called police jobs kind of a unique ranking system. He's not a sponsor of ours at all, we're just friends. So I like to help my friends out, so make sure you guys check that out and and what's up to Harrison Brock?
Speaker 2:and no, you don't have to buy anything to be called out brother. We just we had a lot of people on there and we scroll and we look and yeah, I didn't see it, but sorry about that.
Speaker 1:Robby spends more money than anybody. That proves that you can't buy your way into our love Harrison Love it. But yeah, if you guys want to support the show, if you want to try to catch up to how much Harrison basically funds this show, we do Just know that none of that money is going into our pockets. It goes directly back into the show. It just sits in the account and every time we get a bill for the software or whatever it is that we're using or the future lawsuits we're going to face if we get them we've got you know, a couple hundred bucks sitting in there.
Speaker 1:So that's where it goes and we definitely appreciate it. We love where the direction's going, how you guys are helping us grow and all of that. But for tonight's show, what we got on the docket, we're going a little off script. Normally we watch body cams. We're going to watch body cams. I don't want to get it twisted, but there's two main videos we're going to watch tonight. One is a Broward County Sheriff. We're going to watch his press conference. We're not going to watch the whole thing, there's just some parts that I want to get across and then we're also going to. The first one we're going to watch is the deposition of Sergeant Joffrian. I guess we're going to go with that one. So we're going to watch that and we're going to chat and go back and forth and hear what you guys have to say in the audience. Now, jared, um and Banning, have you guys had a chance to sit and watch the deposition or just the little parts that I've showed you?
Speaker 2:Oh, I've. I've watched the entire thing and my voodoo doll will be here tomorrow.
Speaker 3:All right, good to know.
Speaker 1:I've only seen what you sneak peeked with me, so I'm with the viewers and I'll be watching for the first time. Okay, cool. So, um, without further ado, we're gonna share the screen. We'll get, we'll get rocking and rolling on this stuff. Um, okay, so I gotta give credit where credit's due. Let's see, did we biggie size? This biggie size? Oh, we were already Biggie sized. Honor your Oath Civil Rights Investigations. Honor your Oath Civil Rights Investigations. Youtube channel. He's got about 300,000 subscribers. If you're looking at the screen right now, you guys can see. Actually, I'll just click on his link because I want to make sure he gets probably. God bless freedom of speech.
Speaker 1:So you guys can check that out. That's where we pulled this deposition and then full disclosure. It's cut up a little bit. There's some editing in this one, and the reason we did that is because it's two hours long, so we needed to find one that didn't what we consider try to hide things. I don't think they tried to hide anything on this one, so aware that the statute had been repealed five years before okay, so we're gonna go back.
Speaker 1:So the way that this starts out is it shows you the call um of the, what this deposition is getting at. And uh, I'm gonna hide the chat so the screen's a little bigger and maybe we can put ourselves down low. Let me see, maybe do this way. Let me see. No bear with me, guys, I'm just trying to see what. I don't like that either. There's a whole bunch of new features on the, on the screen, so I'm just trying to see what works best. I don't like that eric's got new toys.
Speaker 2:We got new toys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're figuring them out as they go. Actually, I don't mind that one, I like us off to the left. Yeah, yeah, we're going to do that one, yeah.
Speaker 2:That wasn't a political statement either. Just to be clear.
Speaker 5:You're left. I'm right, We'll all meet in the middle no politics, let's get going.
Speaker 1:Okay, so here's the call how you doing, man.
Speaker 4:You got some ID on. Good morning gentlemen. God bless our homeless veterans. Yep, I'm with that too, man, All right, cool.
Speaker 7:Air Force. All right you got your ID on you. What for? Vagrancy. Air Force who. Yes, you are. What would happen if I don't give it to you. You're going to jail Period Really, yeah, really.
Speaker 4:Sir, I'm standing on a public sidewalk engaged in a constitutionally protected activity.
Speaker 7:Correct, but I'm letting you know you're going to go to jail. No questions asked.
Speaker 4:Even if I'm standing on a public sidewalk. Yes, yes, how many times do I have to explain?
Speaker 7:it to you. So if I, don't give you ID. I'm going, but I need to identify you I don't wish to do so. I'd like to stay here. You're not going to stay here, period, I'll let you know. Do I have to leave? Yes. Why. Because I'm instructing you, I'm giving you a lawful.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we got something to break down already. I'm going to, first and foremost. The thing that he tried to quote at the beginning was vagrancy. Okay, so I'm not from Mississippi, so I decided to pull up what the vagrancy law is according to Google and just showing it here. I'll read it because it's coming in really small on the screen. But it says Mississippi has laws defining and penalizing vagrancy with historical roots in the Black Codes. Current statutes define vagrants as individuals who are able-bodied but lack visible means of support, including those who are idle, immoral or engage in unlawful activities. Penalties can include jail time and fines with provisions, and it goes under Mississippi Code 97-35-37, outlines who it considers vagrant. This includes individuals who are able to work but have no property to support themselves and no visible, visible means of fair, honest or reputable livelihood. So I don't think according to this he qualifies. What do you guys?
Speaker 2:think To me. I don't believe it meets the elements of the offense. Even if a city ordinance, we would have to actually pull that up and see if it meets the deal. But that's a big, big difference between city ordinance and state law.
Speaker 1:Right. And according to Harrison Brock that law has already been overturned. Andy Fletcher said it was repealed six years ago. So I think our audience definitely knows better than we do. And then Mr Billfold said in the whole deposition it turns out that vagrancy statute was revoked five years prior to his arrest. Okay, so maybe Keto 5-0. Reynolds said oh boy, I hate this already. We do too, brother, because guess what? This makes the job that much harder for us as cops.
Speaker 3:So to set the scene, this dude's out in public. It looks like maybe a government building on public sidewalk.
Speaker 1:Yep City property.
Speaker 3:No call for service saying he was disturbing peace or anything other than that.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know the full backstory.
Speaker 2:From the call or everything that I looked up on Google, which there's some information out there mostly people's opinions, but some of the fact stuff behind it looks like. Another employee of the department stated that somebody did call into dispatch saying there was a suspicious person walking around, but no definition of what was suspicious about it, and that's the only thing that I could find. I bet Mr Belford or somebody else has probably dissected this a little bit more to where we may be able to get some input from them, and I trust that input. That's all I was able to find.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've got several people on here. If you're new to the show, we've got several of our community members that have. If you're new to the show, we've got several of our community members that have completely validated their position and we've trust what they put out there. And we know the rest of you, you're going to fact check our fact checkers anyway. So we'll just wait, because Mr Bill Fold will put something out there and then 10 seconds later, you know I the night, will be like no, no, no, no, there's an updated website over here. You missed this one. And we're know I the knight will be like no, no, no, no, there's an updated website over here. You missed this one. And we're like oh so, that's how we're going to go.
Speaker 1:But let me see, here it was another thing that made a Joffrey and say I don't, I'm just going to call him Joffrey, Cause Joffrey was like one of the most hated people on game of Thrones ever, the villain of Game of Thrones. The villain of Game of Thrones. Just call him Joffrey. So old Joffrey here. So yeah, so he says vagrancy, and then did he ask him to ID. Yet Let me go back just a little bit. I went a little too far.
Speaker 7:How many times do I got to explain it to you?
Speaker 4:So if I don't give you ID, I'm going to jail You're going to jail for failure to identify.
Speaker 1:Okay Now, we've discussed this one at length. So if you're not familiar with the ID laws and even in states that are a mandatory ID type thing, from my understanding it has to be when you're suspected of or are about to commit a crime. So we don't have the elements of an offense here. Not that we're seeing. He's on a public sidewalk, he's filming and he's obviously not qualifying for vagrancy. That doesn't even exist anymore. So vagrancy is out the window. So if we don't have a crime other than a traffic stop, a lawful traffic stop, that's the only other time you can mandatory ID somebody. This guy does not have to ID. That's how that works. So we've had this debate many times, even with other cops y'all. I will get other cops that will argue with me oh, they get fired up. Yeah, trespass is not a crime. If you are trying to give a trespass warning, that's not a crime. So you can't id. At least in the state of texas. I cannot id you simply to give you a criminal trespass warning because, let's say, you don't want to id. What am I going to arrest you for? Failure to id. What are the elements of failure to ID? They have to have already committed a crime and they're under arrest, or it's a traffic stop and they're not IDing, so it doesn't meet those elements.
Speaker 1:So when you are writing a criminal trespass warning, that is a civil issue. It's you being the moderator between this building and this person and saying, hey, they don't want you here anymore. What's your name? If they tell you my name is Optimus Prime, you're going to put down alias Optimus Prime. You're going to snap a shot with your body camera, if you can, or you're going to go in and grab surveillance footage and you're going to attach that to whatever little report you got to do to show that the next time this person shows up hey, optimus Prime came here. This is what Optimus Prime looks like. Yeah, that looks like him. He violated this trespass warning. Now we can arrest him, but you don't have a right to his ID Banning. Am I off? Do you have anything?
Speaker 2:No, you're 100% correct and I don't know where the disconnect is, uh, which is getting increasingly from what people send me across the country and where the training is is lacking. Don't get me wrong. The majority of law enforcement is amazing, but the ones that are missing the cue on the most important things, uh, I don't know. The fourth amendment first amendment to me, very important things, um boy making the badge in certain areas look like complete shit. So this video, if everybody hasn't understood it yet, pissed me off. Eric sent it to me and I'm like, oh cool, maybe this is a comedy video and I watched it and boy, I got it.
Speaker 1:I was fired up. I wanted to go live that night. I was trying to get Banning and Matt. Guys, we really wanted Matt on this one too. We wanted Matt and Daniel because of Daniel's law expertise and it just Matt is in training all week, so we got screwed on that and then I didn't want to wait that long and then Daniel is working, so we couldn't get him. Just the life it is when we're in different states and we have different schedules.
Speaker 2:So I was. I was a freaking NASA and didn't have my, my equipment. All I had was my phone and I didn't want to bring a. I mean not that this quality is any better. I didn't want to bring a half-assed audio presentation to our, to our folks.
Speaker 1:Yeah and and, to be fair, we needed him there at nasa because they what they do, is they feed? Banning a gallon of charro beans at a barbecue joint, easy, and then he launches. He launches the rockets for him I just need an ignition.
Speaker 2:No, they just wanted to check the buoyancy of a big guy in space did you guys feel that the earth's tilt kind of? Man, they put me in an aircraft. We're up to 30,000 feet, so I'm an astronaut, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, there you go yeah you and katie perry yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh. Harrison brock said that video made my head hurt. Uh, yeah, where was it? Um, somebody said something else uh, yeah, uh.
Speaker 1:Andy fletcher said mind-boggling, especially in texas where the statute's so incredibly clear. Um, but yeah, that is how criminal trespass and trespass warnings work, and cops get this wrong all the time, because I understand why they think I have to fill this thing out. It's a piece of paper that my department makes me do for these criminal trespass warnings and it's a piece of evidence that goes to the court for later on if the criminal trespass warning is violated. So it makes sense. I understand why cops screw that up, but the training needs to be better and that's why we keep putting this message out, because people aren't getting it. Smaller agencies especially. You shouldn't see it at a larger agency. They should know, and that's the unfair part about being at a larger agency. They should know and that's the unfair part about being at a larger agency is you have more opportunities for better training. You're turning awfully red over there, banning what's going on.
Speaker 2:I'm just listening, brother, just listening, absorbing, soaking it in.
Speaker 1:He's getting pissed.
Speaker 2:You know, just like the three of us on the panel and many of our friends and colleagues out there, we take this to heart. When you go out there and you're a law enforcement officer, we're out there to protect people, protect property, and when you see stuff like this so blatantly and it's like frigging knuckleheads dude and we're going to dive into it, so I'm going to hold it, but Jesus.
Speaker 1:Keto 50 said give sergeants a bad name for sure. Probably was like this with other cops too, oh for sure. I think that this being a sergeant coming in hot like this speaks to probably a more cultural issue within the department. So I think that's a fair reach. I'm speculating 100%, but I think that's a fair reach. I'm speculating 100%, but I think that's a fair reach. And I actually talked to Mr Billfold about this one on the sidelines and he's the one that brought that to my attention. He was like yeah, how many other people has he approached like this? This is just the first one that got busted. So there's probably a whole slew of issues.
Speaker 1:So here's the two issues we have. We're trying to get ID. We don't have a right to ID and we're threatening arrest. And then we're trying to get vagrancy. Vagrancy doesn't exist and it's not even the elements of the offense. Let's be fair. We can't see him and judge which. When you read that vagrancy, how do you determine that this person has no place to go, unless they tell you I'm homeless, like this seems very judgy by a person's appearance. You know what I mean. So let's keep playing. Can I just leave?
Speaker 7:If you wish to do so. Bondi, to identify you.
Speaker 4:I don't wish to do so. I'd like to stay here.
Speaker 7:Express my.
Speaker 1:Okay, so legalese jared. What did you just tell him? That he needs to leave. You're free to leave, you're free to leave you're free to leave.
Speaker 2:But you're free to leave, but no, and just to break that down to people, what does that mean? And you know, and I'm not an attorney, but just speaking on a law enforcement peace officer platform, you're free to leave means that this is concluded, this is done. My investigation over when you tell somebody you're free to leave because if you're in a car right now I'd say and see you, yeah, and take off, right. So this is where I mean it. Just this sergeant, if you want to call him, that has got a frigging shovel and he is digging and digging, and digging.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, this is and I have discussed this this is an ego as well. The ego is already taken over because this guy pressed back and when the ego takes over, it hijacks that emotional side and we're no longer thinking with our logical, reasonable side of a brain. You're literally thinking with the wrong part of your brain when this happens. So the ego has taken over and he's doubling down and he's going into that the part that, like, still drives me nuts.
Speaker 3:Like, according to the viewers, this law was repealed years and years ago already right brad door.
Speaker 1:Eric is magnum pi your hero yes, this.
Speaker 2:This is why my face is red.
Speaker 1:Eric is he doesn't know. This is literally the magnum pi. Retro rifle shirt it's awesome, man, it's yeah, yeah that's why I got it Shout out to Retro Rifle. Be sure to check them out, guys. They are our official sponsor and we get these cool Hawaiian shirts that have hidden guns in them. And this is the Magnum PI Edition, which you guys know. I'm from Michigan originally. I'm a Detroit Tigers fan and I got the brows. I got a little bit of that Celic. Look, why not embrace it?
Speaker 3:I'm not as keen. I think we need to do a photo shoot of you in a red Ferrari.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say let's find one of our connections to hook you up for a red Ferrari for a day.
Speaker 3:I've got some friends who've got one.
Speaker 1:I'll get them, jean shorty shorts. Hell yeah the bomber. This would be the promo for dtv as you do, a spin-off of yeah, just a total, but like a terrible cop, not a good. Yes, like a lieutenant daniel short shorts, yeah just goofing out here, absolutely let's bring it back again all right, all right back to joffrey you're not gonna stay here, period, I'll let you know do I have to leave?
Speaker 7:yes, why? Because I'm instructing you, I'm giving you a lawful order to leave and if I don't leave you're going to jail I'll go to jail for failure officer, sergeant joffrey in sergeant joffrey on y'all have a good day.
Speaker 4:You got your ID with you. So if I don't leave, I'll go to jail.
Speaker 1:Yep give me your.
Speaker 7:ID first.
Speaker 1:You cannot hold the ID hostage. He's either free to go or he's not. We have no right to ID. Greg Turner chimed in. He said hey guys, great show tonight. Retired chief Turner, ozark Mountain Ranch Rangers. I moved to galveston, texas, open security investigations agency enjoying retirement. Miss leo, work but make more money and have more time with the wife and family. Love it. Appreciate your service, brother, congrats on your retirement yeah, um, I don't know who this is.
Speaker 1:It just says linkedin user. But uh missed you guys last time. I'm glad you're both back. I missed us last time too. So, um, what you meant to say was eric wasn't on last week so I didn't watch it. I get it fair. Not true at all. Uh, mag dump just said uh, just new intro for weekly live eric doing the hood slide on a ferrari yes, oh, I've got friends, we'll make it. You just hear my you just hear my hairy butt cheeks screeching across the middle.
Speaker 2:And the gentleman that just said Link, just so you know, that's David Cardoso. He's usually here almost every live, so thank you, david, for the comment.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure why LinkedIn is not sharing. It just airs out like that every once in a while guys, it's not you, it's me, all right, let's keep going, we're holding the id hostage and threatening with arrest.
Speaker 4:I love that already. If I don't give you I d, I'll go to jail. Yes, even though I've explained to you that I'm engaged in constitutionally protected I don't care if you explain it to me or not safeguarded by the first amendment. It's freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly on a traditional public forum the steps of city hall correct?
Speaker 1:yeah, he's 100. Right, that is as traditional as it gets.
Speaker 3:That is public property and recording on, not like that but it's like if you're in this officer's shoes and you made all these mistakes leading up to it and he just said that to you, it should be a wake-up call like, oh yeah, you're right, goodbye, yeah yeah, if it's not now we've got some serious, you know, tyrannical issues going on here, whether it's based out of ignorance and he doesn't know any better, or he does know better, which is even worse.
Speaker 1:so I would love to lean on the side that he doesn't know better, but I kind of I kind of read bullshit for a living. I think this guy knows exactly what he's doing, so let's keep going.
Speaker 4:I'm not begging for money. I'm not begging for money. Do I need to show you my ID?
Speaker 7:You need to show me your ID. Yes, sir. Or what. You're going to jail. It doesn't matter if you commit a crime or not. You have to identify a reference to a complaint.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me give you guys the corrupt version of what he just said. Basically, if I'm walking down the street as a cop and I see somebody, I'm like oh, that's a suspect I think that we've been looking for. We don't have his ID. I could have a CI call in and say, hey, there's a suspicious person on the corner remaining first. Now he's doing me a favor by calling that in and because I got a complaint, I get to id that guy. That's how easily corruptible what he just said is. That's why that's not true yep I mean.
Speaker 1:Otherwise cops would be calling in tips all the time on themselves like, hey, there's a suspicious person over there. Oh sir, we got a call. We had to come over here, give me your ID. That's not how it works. They have to be suspicious. That would make the job so much easier. It would make the job a lot easier, right.
Speaker 7:Because you're violating.
Speaker 4:You need to have reasonable, artificial suspicion that a crime is a fact.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I do have reasons. I just instructed you. Vagrancy? Yeah, what ordinance is that? City ordinance.
Speaker 4:Even though I've explained to you that I'm engaged in constitutionally protected, you don't need to explain anything to me, because I literally don't care.
Speaker 1:This isn't some which, okay, I'm going to give Joffrey a little latitude on that, because I've had people spew some really dumb stuff at me before, especially sovereign citizens, and I don't care. I literally don't care. They will hand me a book 18 times thicker than this. You know, I'm separated from the, the state, and I'm, you know, an independent sovereign of the nation and you need to read this and you need to sign here and here, and as they keep going, I'm like I don't give a fuck, dude and and I don't give a shit if somebody wants to separate, but if you separate, get the freak out of the country.
Speaker 2:That's separation.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If you're here, you got to abide by the rules.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely yeah, that's just the way it goes. So if you're going to be here and you don't get to have the cake and eat it too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So we lost him again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jared's got a hard line and he's still. I told him he's being hacked by the Chinese Um it's that dual certification screwed up the bandwidth.
Speaker 1:But in that, uh, I I've had moments, so I don't want to sit here and come across like I've never said what this guy just said. I haven't said that. I've told people. I don't care, because I'm not arguing with you on the side of the road during a traffic stop when you try the sovereign citizen stuff, because that's argument for court, it's not an argument for the side of the road. You need to provide your ID. I need your license, registration and proof of insurance. That's it. That's as simple as a traffic stop gets when it's on a public roadway and you're in a motor vehicle. So when they try to do all this stuff, I don't need it, I only need that stuff. So that is me letting you know that I am not trying to play holier than thou. Like I don't say that stuff, I do say that stuff, and I'm sure Banning said it, I'm sure Jared said it. So thanks, banning. Eric Tomsel wants his shirt back. Hey, hey, at ease. You guys are just jelly because you don't have this cool shirt.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much. I think you played Mr Baseball too, didn't you?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, mr Baseball is one of my favorite moves, all right let's Free will state man.
Speaker 4:That's how it is in the state of mississippi, so you don't have freedom in the state of mississippi if you don't like it, you can go back to florida okay, one more thing too.
Speaker 1:Okay, jared, I'm gonna pose this towards you. You're, you're in a city that's got what appears to be some nice palm trees, um wavelength mississippi so I've never heard of it, so I'm going to assume it's pretty small. Are you wasting your time with an arrest on this? No, like, even. Let's say he had vagrancy, let's say he had that. I'm going to do everything in my power to not have to do that. Like I'm gonna be like all right. Uh, yeah, that all makes sense, sounds good. All right, have a nice day because I'm not wasting my time. I don't have an actual crime you videotaping and being an irritant if that's the case this.
Speaker 2:This is actually the type of guy I see comments all over the country when I look into these videos of officers screwing up of my. My God, I wonder if his wife's okay. This is one that I'm actually like. I wonder if his family is okay at home with the way he is twisting stuff coming at this person. Where the freak did he learn this? And you know what I'm saying, and I want to go up the chain and find that out. And then let's open up those books of all the calls that they've been on. How many people have been in their County or municipal jail that didn't need to be there? Yep, based on this, this gentleman's attitude. Sorry, that's just again.
Speaker 1:Mr Billfold said I want better cops because without the rule of law, the week will get crushed. There is evil that we need to be protected from, but not of. The badge is as evil as a joffrey. Um, yeah, I, I'm with you. And then marine blood said hi to everyone who said hi to me earlier. I'm trying to type when my boss isn't around. Do not get in trouble for this stupid show. Do not get in trouble. Marine blood is bad enough. You can't get an account, a membership, the last thing we need. Uh, by the way, he still doesn't have a membership. So, um, if anybody wants to drink because of that, go ahead. We got a few rules. Anytime, self-proclaimed hero said anytime, marine blood doesn't get an account. Anytime I say biggie size, uh, what else I sit with? Alan has said these are all drinking games. So let's see. Exactly, sergeant Magnum, that's got a ring to it.
Speaker 2:Real quickly. Keto about 30 minutes ago asked Banning, is your carnivore diet working man? It is. It is Haven't been this low in weight in over two years sticking with it, feeling great. It's lifted a lot of brain fog, making me feel good getting back in the gym. It's been freaking outstanding. So thank you for asking that.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, brother.
Speaker 2:Nice man.
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Speaker 2:up dead leg. Hell yeah, uh, he's not on here tonight.
Speaker 1:But that's awesome, uh. But you know who didn't get one? Marine blood, salu. Ah, ozark, moon drink and dead leg got one. I love it. Uh, let's see. Keto said awesome, brother, proud. Yep, I need to get back on my car, thank you. I did carnivore for four months, loved it, um. And since I've been stuck in an office I have not been working out like I normally do because I just been I'll just say I've been making excuses. So, uh-oh, brandar's jumping on throwing out 10 memberships. Let's see if it lets it go through. Thank you, brandar, and thank you, uh, harrison. I'm waiting to see if they go through. Oh, no, no, he did one. No, no, no. It says gifted 10 memberships, gifted 10.
Speaker 2:Yeah, level one, level one membership. So it should go through, we should be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, normally, if one goes, through they all go through, but we're waiting to see. I see max, the wet floor sign guy, the names y'all come up with. That's awesome. It looks like it's only going to let one go through. I don't know if we got cut off already. Shit, that was fast all right. Well, hey, if you guys want to help support the show, please hit up the super stickers. That seems to be the best way in the most consistent way. Um, I'm not sure if there's a cool down thing that goes on.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's not for whatever reason it's not letting it go through. Hey, brandar, let us know Just either message Eric in the background or whatever tomorrow, if that charge came off on your, however your method of payment was and stuff didn't go through, just so we can kind of keep track of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm a top chat fan funding. Yeah, there's another one. Get the 10 memberships, brian Thompson.
Speaker 1:Yeah, brian's trying. I don't think it's going to go through. Keep up the great work, bannon, I apologize, you look great. That was from David. Again, again, oh no, no worries. Oh, dead legs on. He's like I should be on next week. Uh, I believe micro center is getting a visit tomorrow with a new camera. Nice, uh, you got a membership dead leg, you. You won super and highlighted membership message will show up here. Okay, um, sorry, I'm just looking at all the chat yeah, and that's good.
Speaker 2:So. So acorn mag done basically said when it breaks on them, they get the money back. That's good to hear. So what would really make me upset if these people are investing in our show, so to speak, and and money's coming out but they're not getting what they paid for? Um, because I will go go find the person that that is. Uh, because I just will. I'm not going to go any further, because we buy something, by god, you're supposed to get it yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know what the deal is, why it doesn't let it go through. It's frustrating to us because we depend on it to pay the bills. That way it's not constantly coming out of our pocket, but it is what it is. We're still going to do the show regardless. Sergeant Eric, thanks for the Ghost Patch lead. They designed my company patches Awesome, hell yeah, and logo. So yeah, shout out to Ghost Patch. Make sure you guys go check them out. I don't have my patch next to me. Bannon, you got one next to you.
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Speaker 1:I'm basically putting most of my career into getting them attention because I think they will make that much of a difference in in law enforcement. So, all right, let's get that out of the way what did the billfold say on there?
Speaker 2:because that's this is the third or fourth time somebody, when I, when I've arrested people, they've called me that name.
Speaker 1:I don't know john umber for all my yeah. Who's john umber?
Speaker 2:it's a game of thrones reference I don't remember who John is.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think John is. I'll look it up. I think John's the North guy.
Speaker 2:Man, I'll be honest with you I've never watched Game of Thrones. I need to watch it. It's Hodor.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Hodor, I think. I could be wrong. Let me see. Is that him, john Umber, john Umber, john Umber, john Umber is the head of the house. Oh, no, he's House Umber. No, no, I was wrong. It's not him, it's not Eye of the Night. Look at these clowns. He's talking to us. This is John.
Speaker 3:Umber uh share this tab banning with all the travel you do. You should download it and just watch it on the plane that's a good thought, man.
Speaker 2:I need to.
Speaker 1:I need to do that you'll get upset you'll get upset as soon as it the the writing from the original author stops and then jumps to the new dude or the new writers. Okay, where were we? I?
Speaker 2:hear it's a great show. I've just never had the time to do it.
Speaker 1:Go ahead. Oh, you're good. Sorry, Another video started up while I was doing it.
Speaker 7:Okay here we go.
Speaker 4:Did you take an oath up, hold and defend the Constitution when you served?
Speaker 1:I absolutely did.
Speaker 7:Yeah, you're not doing that right now. Okay, that's your opinion?
Speaker 4:Did you take an oath upholding the defendant? Constitution when you became a cop.
Speaker 7:That is your opinion. Then you're not doing it right now? That's your opinion Central to 11-14.
Speaker 5:Go ahead 10-4, that 27 is going to come back to a Marcus Jeffery. Valid negative 29,.
Speaker 7:Negative force All right, Mr Jeffrey, you're free to go Free to go. Can I stay? No, you cannot stay, you gotta go. Well, don't go. I'll go with you. Give me a lawful order and I'll come back. You ready.
Speaker 5:Please raise your right hand, if you're sorry.
Speaker 1:All right, so we got all that. I'm going to hide the no. I don't need to hide that no-transcript.
Speaker 5:Hey, Simon, I swear that the testimony you're about to get and the following thoughts will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Sergeant Joffrey on, I think you know what we're here about. Have you reviewed the body cam footage that was obtained during your interaction with Mr Gray? When was the last time that you reviewed that Yesterday? What's your understanding of the First Amendment in the United States Constitution?
Speaker 7:I don't recall. I'm not an expert.
Speaker 5:It's boros.
Speaker 1:Alright, so that's just the start. This is how it gets started. Y'all, he's already claiming that he's not an expert In the first amendment. So for me let's say I can't. Okay, let me just tell you how I would have, how I would have done it. I would have told them and Jared and Bannon, you tell me how I would have done it. I would have told them, and Jared and Banning, you tell me. So I would have clarified Do you want me to repeat it verbatim? Because if you want it verbatim, I can't give it to you. I can't repeat anything verbatim. I don't know things like that. But do you want like a rough outline of it? So that's how I would have answered it, banning, what would you have done.
Speaker 2:I would you know if I was as retarded. I'm sorry, I can't use that word.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a banned word.
Speaker 2:If I were you know this bad of trained and I was still walking on my two feet and somebody hasn't taken me out yet I probably would have said I don't recall the entire incident, but this is what I do recall. And ever since that incident I've been getting so much shit from everybody on YouTube. Everybody at my department Like, hey, you're just a SWAT boy, boi, and you just think your shit is held to a higher standard and all you care about is that call from dispatch saying we're about to go do a debrief and we're going to go kick a door, because he doesn't give a shit about anybody's frigging rights. All he wants to think is he's a badass that carries a gun. And that's what I get from this entire entire thing. And I have no, no clue why of how. Who put a fucking badge on him Excuse my French for anybody that's watching that.
Speaker 1:In a long time. I like it.
Speaker 2:If I ran into this dude at a bar and I knew that was him, I'd take the class C or screw that. I took the class C or screw that, I'd take the class A. Dude, how many people has? This is one person. This dude's a sergeant, so he's at least been a cop. I've known somebody that's got promoted in two to three years, but I bet it took longer for this dude. He's a POS, but we'll continue on. That's just again. Just what I think. Same opinion.
Speaker 3:That's just again. Just what I think, yeah, so no, you know, same opinion, and I'm right there with the Eric. I would, you know, preface this the same way. It's like I can't repeat it verbatim. I can give you a general outline or general understanding, but I can't, you know, give you word for word.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I would have been able to do. We got, uh, freedom of press, speech, assembly, uh, and religion, like, like that's how I would, that's how I remember it, like personally, like that's how I remember it, and um, and I think there's something about petitioning, something like that. I don't know, I don't know how to repeat it, but I know it. So that's how I would have gone with this, but he chose to go with. I don't recall, I'm not an expert, so let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Do you know what the First Amendment protects? I don't. I don't at all. Do you know what the Fourth Amendment the United States Constitution protects? I don't at all. Do you know what the fourth amendment to the United States constitution? Do you know what the Mississippi constitution provides regarding the right of the people to feasibly assemble and petition the government?
Speaker 3:Then how are you a cop?
Speaker 5:Do you know?
Speaker 1:I don't get it. I don't Now. I was going to get to this point, but I think we can do it now. So I'm looking at this as a two forked road. Okay, guys, he could have taken road number one where he says I don't know, and he's being honest. So now you clarify I don't know. But, sir, you say you don't know, you know if I'm the attorney? Can you tell me what you do know? Okay, this is kind of the rough and you just show them how dumb you are, you, you, you know. You kneel on that sword because you're at fault and you're wrong, and this is bringing that out, so you just own it. To be honest, I really don't know. I'm not trained well enough, I don't pay attention, whatever your reasons are for not knowing, but you just fall on the sword and what you expose is your department's failures. And, yes, you're still going to get fired, but now it falls on the department for you being an idiot because they didn't train you well enough.
Speaker 2:It even doesn't even classify. The fuck darn. I'm sorry, man, but this. We've seen some videos, eric. We've seen a lot that we haven't even put out here, that were retarded, let me say it like that.
Speaker 1:But this guy, freaking, takes the cake right so, but now there's the other fork, and this is the way that I think we're all kind of seeing. It is the I don't recall, I don't recall. This is a playbook that is straight out of a what do you call it? A POA, an FOP, a union for police? And where they tell you just don't, if you don't remember it verbatim, you just say I don't recall.
Speaker 1:Now, you're technically not lying, that you don't recall. It's up to this attorney to make you clarify. Can you tell me what little bit you do know, and then which? I'm not sure if he ends up getting to that point, but he's lying. And so if you weren't ignorant, if ignorance was not the problem and a failure to train, which, that was road number one, now you're lying.
Speaker 1:So if you're going to be, if you're lying, if you're under oath and you're lying, that tells me that the stuff you did in the street was intentional. If what you did, if path number two is what you're taking, where you're lying on the stand to try to protect your ass, you deserve prison because what you did in the street was intentional, and that is malicious, versus if you would have just taken path number one, where you're an idiot. You own being an idiot, but you're an innocent idiot, so to speak. Speak where you didn't know that you were violating somebody's rights. Okay, I, I can deal with that. You're fired, you're not going to be a cop ever again. But uh, you're, you're not going to prison. So those are the two roads. I see, jared, what do you think?
Speaker 3:yeah, no, I'm just like reading the comments that are scrolling by and, like the, I think it was centurion tactical that says like a cop that doesn't know. Fourth Amendment, question mark like yeah, like. The Fourth Amendment is our bread and butter. That's where we live.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Freeman, he's Right on target with what I was saying is he knows, he just doesn't care because he's not going to be Held accountable. Although this ass hat might after the show Right, we'll see. This is the thing. Although this ass hat might after the show right, we'll see.
Speaker 2:This is the type of thing and hold on to that comment for one second. This is the type of guy when he does go to prison. It's general population and you know I've never thought about infiltrating a prison, but it's like get in there. How do we get that dude a shirt that says I was a cop and I probably violated your rights? He's got to wear it all the time. I'm sorry, man, but this is the clown that makes us look like shit.
Speaker 1:Yep. Mr Billfold said that I don't recall is used for qualified immunity defenses, trying not to commit to any answers, hoping that the case will get dismissed on qualified immunity before summary judgment. I think he's 100% right. Eye of the night, or, I'm sorry, mag dump said eye of the night 100 total ego. Harrison brock said two cops, one done it. Who is dumber? Is this leo or the leo from cook, county illinois? I don't remember that one. Um gotta be more specific, bud, you're probably being really specific, I just don't know it. Um sparky cool name, by the way. Sparky said I plead the fifth one, two, three, four, five, fifth and this is the first time I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2:Highlight steve ladner's comment uh-oh, where's he at.
Speaker 1:Where's he at? Where's he?
Speaker 2:fourth, one down.
Speaker 1:Fourth one uh, 20 years in the big house would give him enough time to read the constitution and the bill of rights.
Speaker 2:I don't know, steve I don't think he can freaking read. To begin with, I think he has that guy riding with him to read the menu at mcdonald's when he's going for his freaking meal. He's dead. This takes the cake, man. Of everything I've watched in the past three years, this dude takes the cake.
Speaker 1:Yep, mr billfold, I agree've watched in the past three years. This dude takes the cake. Yep, mr Billfold, I agree with Steve Ladner on this one. Uh-oh, we're bringing him together. Freeman Key, steve.
Speaker 3:Look at you creating family.
Speaker 1:I know right. He's like the evil stepbrother that did a good deed. Now everybody's on his side. I like it. It's like Scar reaching out his hand to catch Mufasa. Now I'm just waiting for Steve to ruin it and throw Mufasa in the ditch.
Speaker 3:Everything the light touches is yours.
Speaker 1:Right, oh man. So Tim's on there he is. Where did he go? Shoot man. People are commenting left and right. I can't keep up. On there he is, where'd he go? Shoot man. People are commenting left and right. I can't keep up. Tim said if he goes to prison as an ex-CO, they know he's an ex-cop before he gets on the bus. That's awesome, yep, bend over and touch your toes. Alright, let's keep going.
Speaker 5:What the Constitution of the State of Mississippi provides regarding freedom of speech and freedom of press. I don't recall.
Speaker 7:Do you?
Speaker 5:know what the Mississippi Constitution provides with regard to deprivation of life, liberty and property without due process of law? I'm not a lawyer. I understand that you're a law enforcement officer, not a lawyer. My that, your law enforcement officer, not only. My question was very simple. Do you know? I don't recall. Mr gray asked you in this video if you had undertaken an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States of America and you responded yes. Do you remember that? Correct, and did you also take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the state of Mississippi? I don't recall, but you would agree that your oath required you to abide by the Constitution, whatever it may require. Repeat the question. You would agree that your oath required you to uphold the Constitution whatever it may require which oath?
Speaker 5:Your oath of office. You took an oath to be a police officer, didn't you? I don't recall? Do you recall telling Mr Gray that you had taken an oath?
Speaker 7:I don't recall what are the video states.
Speaker 5:What training did you have regarding law enforcement in the Air Force? Oh Lord, basic law enforcement, and what does that include? Can't think off the top of my head.
Speaker 7:To be honest with you.
Speaker 5:Just law enforcement stuff.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to go out on a limb Now. You guys know I am trained as an Air Force cop and I train Air Force cops when I go there and I know how significantly lacking they are when it comes to the civilian side of law enforcement. It was a completely different set of rules on a base when it comes to the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and how the laws work out in the civilian world. So when I hear former MPs whether it's Army, navy Marines or the Air Force try to say, when they're separating, well, I basically already know law enforcement because I was a cop in the military, so I'll just transition over. If a department allows you to do that, that's not the department you want to work for. They are setting you up for failure and I think that's the case here. I bet he separated and they gave him a little Pop-Tart training academy four-week, six-week academy and this is the result, because I think somebody put in the comments he was hired in 2023. And he's already a sergeant. So in the way he's acting, he is more like a military cop, in my opinion, than somebody that was trained in civilian law enforcement. That's what I see.
Speaker 1:Freeman Keyes, chair Force. Eric, I know you didn't train him. Hell, no God, wouldn't that be funny if he did train under me somehow. I just didn't remember him.
Speaker 2:I'd like to, freaking, physically interview the guys that did train them. Yeah, how many pos's does this go up right? Yeah, the guy next to him and and I could be completely wrong the guy next to him on this specific call. Was he trained by this tard? Yeah, does he sit there thinking like, yeah, you go, sarge, you are right there going. And then he starts hearing the comments a couple days days later, when this shit hits YouTube, what do you mean? We're wrong. And they probably come to the PD off duty and they start talking to their admin and the city attorney comes in. Anyway, I'm sure it was a eye opener and this dude maybe even lost 30 minutes of sleep. I don't think he's going to lose too much sleep. He's too much of a I hate the word. He is a tyrant man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think he I look just, you know, and I hate doing the look at his face, you know, cause that's speculating. I don't know what's going on in his head, but the the arrogance and cockiness that he's, you know, radiating right now is like, bro, you did not deserve that type of arrogance, like at all. So he thinks he's right. That's the crazy part. He thinks he's right. So um Magdump said two cops one donut. I got his trainers Larry Curly. That's a little old school throwback, deadly. How to lose your job in 10 minutes.
Speaker 5:When you went to the Law Enforcement Academy, what training did you receive on? They didn't say laws. I can't remember Stop and frisk laws. I never ran over Stop and frisk In. What training do you remember?
Speaker 7:Patting down subjects for weapons, do you?
Speaker 5:remember any training on what you required before you could stop someone and frisk them I can't recall. Do you recall any training on statutes that require someone to identify themselves? I can't recall. Oh, he's bored. Do you recall any training at the Law Enforcement Academy about First Amendment? I can't recall.
Speaker 1:Do you remember the Reed technique? Y'all.
Speaker 2:The Reed interview interrogation absolutely right yawning.
Speaker 1:He's keeping his arms in front of him as a barrier because he's uncomfortable. The yawn is a stress factor. He's being dishonest. So a little bit of training stuff. Uh, oh my, my mom supported the show y'all. My mom threw 10 bucks to the show, love it'all. My mom threw $10 to the show Love it. Thank you, mom. My mom's feeling bad. No, you can't get any memberships. My mom loves me Too funny, but yeah. So this goes into the psychological factors and stuff on interrogation Him having his arms up, fingers crossed, crossed all these things are factors to consider. It's not a smoking gun by any means, but him yawning and arms folded.
Speaker 2:He's not open to talking to this guy at all it just adds to our thought of what we think about him.
Speaker 1:When we watch this, everything that we've been trained in that we do fucking recall yeah right, yeah, I know how do you not remember what you were trained in the police academy?
Speaker 2:I've been through three y'all how the hell did he not walk out in handcuffs at the end of this? And a guy there like sign here, you're on the fucking Brady list for starters and you're going to go over here to the county jail because you're a POS. Yeah, and this is what we recall of what your charges will be.
Speaker 1:Shotgun's a tattoo. That's it. This motherfucker. I can't stand him. That's my impression of you, shotgun. I hope that was pretty close. I've never met her, so I don't know. I'm just talking shit. Let's keep going.
Speaker 5:Do you recall any training about the Fourth Amendment? I can't know. I'm just talking shit, let's keep going. Do you recall any training about the Fourth Amendment? I can't recall. What are the Waveland Police Department policies on interaction with the public when they are engaged in expressive conduct?
Speaker 7:You have to get with them as far as that.
Speaker 5:You're a supervisor at the Waveland Police Department, you don't know the policies on interactions with the public engaged in expressive conduct. It's not something I'll study over. I can't recall who would know.
Speaker 1:So he already put himself in a hole right there. That's not something I study over. It should be, it should be. I've been a cop 19 years. I'm constantly looking at it because I have a crappy memory and I know that about myself, so I'm always reviewing it, just to be like, let me just make sure I'm recalling this stuff who?
Speaker 2:who is the guy, since it's federally mandated? Who's the guy that's going over his body camera, which I didn't see on the stop? Um, and I think they talk about it in this a little bit, but who's the guy that's reviewing his dash cam, body cam, audio stuff? And uh, how screwed up was that guy to say that all his stops are are on point? Uh, yeah, just to start, where's that at?
Speaker 1:mr buffold, danny needs a THC gummy To get through this one. I mean, he's not a cop anymore. He could technically Well, he's reserved.
Speaker 2:No, can't do it. Man Don't want to do it. I'm high on life, brother, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1:Not gonna do it A little. Dana Carvey for you. Katie Alexander said oh, I'm sorry, dr Alexander, we need to have Katie on the show. Katie's good people. Dana Carvey for you. Katie Alexander said oh.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, Dr Alexander. We need to have Katie on the show. Katie's good people.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to misrepresent. When you've got your doctor, you got your doctor degree out there, like I'm going to show respect where it's due. So Dr Alexander said this is killing me. The Constitution is the foundation of our authority as law enforcement officers. Wow, agreed. That's why we're up here, just not feeling bad about making this guy look like an idiot. Well, he's doing that himself. Let's keep going here.
Speaker 5:The policies of the city of Waverly and the Waverly Police Department with regarding two persons engaged in expressive conduct? I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's funny. Every time we answer this, he closes his eyes too.
Speaker 5:Any continuing education courses? Yes, do you have a list of those? Couldn't be bothered. What do you recall?
Speaker 1:SWAT school. List of those. No, couldn't be bothered. What do you recall? Uh, swat school, swat school. Like, I'm sorry, you're a fucking idiot. You're a fucking idiot like how I I feel bad. I have, I, you know, a little bit of empathy for the department, hoping that this guy just happens to be the one there that's an idiot. It's probably not true, but uh, he is making them look so bad, you know, and there's nothing they can do to defend this. It doesn't matter, they hired him and it is what it is. Let's keep going.
Speaker 1:Anything else I can't recall Mr Belfort's trying to get the trolls going.
Speaker 5:Do you have any continuing education courses? On the First or Fourth Amendment, I can't. You said that you watched the body cam footage yesterday. Having reviewed that within the last 24 hours, is there anything that you thought you could have done better? I could have handled it a little different. How.
Speaker 7:Could have reworded some things.
Speaker 5:What things.
Speaker 7:Digging the hole now?
Speaker 5:I can't recall off the top of my head. Do you need to watch the video again? No, I don't. So if your testimony is that you could have reworded some things, but you don't know what things, I know what things, what things.
Speaker 7:Just handled it better, talked a little different.
Speaker 5:How.
Speaker 7:I don't know, I'm not in those shoes right now.
Speaker 1:You are in those shoes right now.
Speaker 5:Well, part of this is we have the benefit of hindsight. We also have the benefit of having reviewed what happened. I don't know how many times you've watched the video At least once, holbrook. But other than rewording some things, things and you can't say which things you can't tell me anything that you would have done differently or done better.
Speaker 7:Can I start waving the white flag for this guy? Well, how can? You say that there are things you would have done, but I don't think on that.
Speaker 1:Can I start waving the white flag for this guy?
Speaker 5:Well, how can you say that there are things you would have done, but I can't answer the question as to what they would have been?
Speaker 7:I just know I could have handled it better, but it will give me time to think on it.
Speaker 5:So did you make any mistakes?
Speaker 1:No, that is a narcissistic person, if there ever was one. The fact that you think you made no mistakes.
Speaker 2:Narcissistic is the bottom part, this dude's nutso man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like this is sociopathic.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like just the fact that you think you made no mistakes.
Speaker 3:My pulse is like my pulse is outrageous right now. I'm so angry.
Speaker 1:I actually feel bad. I finally figured out what Steve Lattner has been preaching about.
Speaker 2:It's this guy. Hey, the author of the video just made a comment, fyi. Oh did he.
Speaker 1:Yep, yes, hell, yes, honor your oath. Yes, thank you, brother, we appreciate it. We, we gave your channel credit, we said everything about, so just don't, I don't want you to think we're trying to steal your content. Uh, we gave you total credit, we love your stuff and uh, yeah, like you nailed it with this dude. But yeah, we're trying to hold these fucking piece of shit cops like this out there accountable, and this guy does. This is part of the thing. This guy does not need to ever be a cop anywhere, ever again no, and thank you for doing all the foias.
Speaker 2:Thank you for getting this all together and making it in the public light. This is coming from a 21 year cop myself. Thank you for doing this. Yeah, this is awesome. We just had year cop myself.
Speaker 1:Thank you for doing this. Yeah, this is awesome. We just had Long Island auditor start following us, by the way, and now we got honor, your oath honor. If you ever want to come on, brother, we'd love to have you jump on with us, please. We, we are. I don't know how much you know about the show, but what we do is we are not a cop echo chamber, we, we try to highlight good stuff cops do, but we also try to show, like what you see here cops doing bad and calling it out and where it fails and how we fix it. So, um, one of the ways I think we fix this is we figure out the hiring process with this guy. Um, I think that's part of oh, show me your, show me audits is on too. I think that's part of show me your, show me audits is on. To Holy shit. We're getting all the audit people on the night Love it.
Speaker 2:I hope for good reasons. I truly understand, eric, that we're not that echo chamber. We, if we see bad things, we're going to highlight that. We want the amount of good that's out there to be seen. But, however, if we're seeing the bad, like you are, we're going to put it out there as well.
Speaker 1:Yep, we're going to highlight the bad cops as well and we're going to call it out and, more importantly, we're going to try to educate on how we fix it. So one of the things that I would recommend that I think is part of the problem is hiring people straight out of the military and doing these Pop-Tart. We people straight out of the military and doing these pop-tart. We call them pop-tart academies. Um, I don't know, that's a military term in the air force. It just means a fast academy. Anything that's four to six weeks is is really short, so we call them pop-tarts.
Speaker 1:Uh, so in this, I think what they did with this dude was they probably allowed him to be a lateral transfer, uh, straight out of the military and, like I said, if he got hired in 2023 and he's already a Sergeant, like that's insane to me. Uh, and he doesn't even know how to be a fucking cop. And this is the problem with thinking, because you're a military cop, you're ready to be a civilian cop. I'm both. I am a military cop and I'm a civilian cop. I'm still in the military. For those that don't know, I'm still in the military. I train other military cops. This guy is part of the problem. They're cocky, they think they're ready to do this job and they're not. You need to go through an academy. I hate to say it, I've been through three of them. Y'all you need to be through one. Mr Belfort said please check out Honor your Oath if you folks haven't. Yes, I agree, and this is his channel. Let's make sure you guys can see here at the bottom I'll make biggie size.
Speaker 1:Give me a sec. There we go. Let me minimize the chat. That is their site right there. Look for that little white picture. I don't want to click off because I don't want to lose the spot that we're on. But yeah, that's what we got here, because I don't want to lose the spot that we're on. But yeah, that's what we got here. Let me go back to this view. Let me move you back over here. There we go, and big size, cool, all right. So I'm going to get to just past the 10-minute mark.
Speaker 5:I just wanted to do 10 minutes of this, but let's keep going.
Speaker 7:Tell me what the elements of vagrancy are.
Speaker 5:I can't think off the top of my head right now. Tell me what you recall.
Speaker 1:Tell me what you recall are the elements of the crime of vagrancy, which we've already looked up. Vagrancy laws have disappeared, like five or six years ago. They don't even have it and the elements of vagrancy do not apply to anything that this guy was doing.
Speaker 2:Even if that law was still in effect, we're still. You've got no legal reason, the elements of the offense have not been met and you are still in violation Right.
Speaker 7:I can't recall. I don't know the lulls in my heart. I just know what certain crimes are. You don't know fucking shit.
Speaker 1:You haven't ever, you haven't named a thing, so what?
Speaker 5:is the crime of vagrancy.
Speaker 7:He hasn't named anything.
Speaker 5:I can't say it verbatim, I'm not asking verbatim, I'm asking you to tell me. You just know what the walls are, what is the crime?
Speaker 1:of vagrancy? And that is the question. That is the first time this attorney has hit him with something that you cannot back out of. I'm not asking verbatim, I'm just telling you to tell me what you know about it, and he's cornered him here.
Speaker 2:And props to the attorney. The attorney's not being an asshole, no, he's staying on script. He's staying there. He's keeping a monotone voice. Every question is the same tone and demeanor. He's not being a dick and, excuse my French if that offends people, don't really give a shit on this. This guy's a POS. This attorney's doing a good job.
Speaker 3:I agree, and the fact that he can't say what the elements are, but yet the day that he was going to take this guy's rights away, he was going to apply it even though he didn't know what it was oh, he totally put the rights away.
Speaker 2:I mean I know you agree, but he's already taken the rights away, that that whole entire call his rights were taken away but what jared just said is how we get him on the stand like that's that's what's going to happen to you, and this is what I'm trying to warn.
Speaker 1:if you're a cop out there newer cop, um, or a cop that's not very experienced in going to court that's how the attorneys. Their whole focus is to discredit you and make you look like an asshole, even if you're not the focus of the crime itself. Sometimes you're just there as the cop that took the report. Now he's the center of attention. So in that, if they decide to file criminal charges on him, what Jared just said is exactly what the defense attorney is going to set him up for. Okay, you couldn't name this, you couldn't name this, you couldn't name this. So why the fuck were you trying to arrest my guy? If you can't name any of that stuff, what did you have? And you're dead in the water. You're dead in the water.
Speaker 7:Can't answer that. Right now I'm talking to my head.
Speaker 5:You accused Mr Gray of vagrancy the moment you stepped out of your cruise. What were you accusing him of doing? Harassing customers. So, is vagrancy harassing.
Speaker 1:What customers do you have at a town hall?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say what are customers walking into City Hall?
Speaker 1:I get it If you're applying for yeah, if you're applying for you know um things, permits and stuff, I guess you're kind of technically a customer, at least call them a client.
Speaker 2:Give them that. Don't call them a customer.
Speaker 1:Good lord, yeah, yeah something uh, shotguns and tattoos for super chat. Thank you for the five dollars. We appreciate that. Remember us when tcod blows up.
Speaker 3:We ain't gonna forget you, girl oh, and if you saw her comment earlier, eric, she said you nailed her accent, so oh beautiful.
Speaker 1:Uh, I'm glad you said accent after that I'm like keep going, eric.
Speaker 2:I'll be back in 30 45 seconds I'll be right back.
Speaker 1:Okay, banning's got a fart, that's all that is. Um, so, uh, what was the point I was getting to? Um, yeah, so being customers is town hall is what it is, but, um, all right, let's, uh, let's keep going here I didn't ask.
Speaker 5:That is vagrancy harassing. Is that what you think the crime of vagrancy is? So what is the crime of vagrancy?
Speaker 7:you can't think of all the top of my head right now. You don't know what the crime of vagrancy I can't think of off the top of my head right now.
Speaker 5:You don't know what the crime of vagrancy is. If I had that statute in front of me, I could then tell you Are you aware that the statute had been repealed five years before you accused Mr Gray of vagrancy? Correct, all right. So how did he commit the crime of vagrancy? How could he possibly have committed a crime that had been repealed five years ago, that you can't even define? I didn't arrest him or identify him off of vagrancy.
Speaker 7:Do we need to watch the video?
Speaker 5:If you want to watch it, you can, I'll not. Well, let's watch the beginning of the video. If you want to watch it, you can or not.
Speaker 1:Well, let's watch the beginning of the video up to this point that we're talking about with vagrancy, oh my god. Okay, so I'm pausing this because, uh, mr bill fold asked me to highlight I would have done it without the two bucks, but thank you, brother. Um, I just didn't see it. There was too many comments popping up. But, uh, honor your oath, uh, civil rights investigation. Shout out to them again. This is where we're getting the video off of his youtube channel. Make sure you guys like, subscribe, follow, uh, but, matter of fact, I don't think I am subscribed. I'm not. I am now. So they are trying to get a protective order to remove this video. They are threatening me with legal action. I don't know how they're going to do that, because I believe this should be public information, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if you got your FOIA request, there's really nothing you can do.
Speaker 1:I would assume that this is a free game. Baby Is what it is. Well, guess what? It's also out there now on mine. So good luck, especially when I go. Well, I'm a cop. I'm using this for training purposes Training and education, which is really what we do. So everybody's going wait, he's still a cop. I don't know. Is this guy still a cop? That's another real question.
Speaker 2:At the end of the video and correct me if I'm wrong. Those who've watched all the way, like Eric and I have it does state that he has not lost a day of employment and the stuff that I found out online since this, and they also, and we're going to get into it, but I believe he still is only to the to the end point of this, this video when it was launched I don't know about now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm actually going to uh, we're, we're over 10 minutes on that one. I'm going to stop sharing on that. I think we all get the point with this guy. And that begs to answer the question of if you're the employer and you see this, how did you not fire him? Because now, if you see this as an employer, If I'm the chief, if I'm the sheriff, if I'm whoever's employing this guy, as soon as I see this, you're done. You're done Because I either think you're lying or you're too incompetent to do the job.
Speaker 3:And I think that's what Greg Turner, who said he was a chief, that was his first comment. It was like he would have been gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Show me the audit said at honor your civil rights investigations. You need it to be mirrored. I'll do it if you want. Oh, there you go. See, I don't know how this stuff works. You need it. So you just got to flip it around, invert it, and that I love it. I love the little technicality, see, this is why I need these people around. I need to know these little tips and tricks so we can still have accountability and transparency out there. This needs to be shared everywhere. Yeah, he's shared enough places. Good luck.
Speaker 1:They can't keep up and I have a feeling that this guy is going to be in a lot of police training academies Not him, but the video as training academies not him, but the video. Yeah, as a what not to be in this job. You absolutely should watch this video as a cop. If my cop friends out there are watching, watch this guy's video and just be like I don't ever want to be this dude. I don't ever want to look that stupid. I mean, I consider this a profession, jared, I'm not. You're in the same boat, banning. I'm'm sure. I've always considered this a profession and if I'm going to do a profession, I'm going to take it serious because I don't want to be an idiot when you're taking somebody's rights away.
Speaker 3:Yes, I do not take that lightly marine's blood.
Speaker 1:Do you know how to breathe? Do you know how to breathe? Do you know how to eat? I don't recall. Oh shit, liability of the agency for lack of training? Yeah, absolutely, it's a given. The department's going to get sued. That's a given. Department will get sued this moron. He probably won't lose qualified immunity. Even if he does lose qualified immunity, it's not going to go anywhere. Even if he does lose qualified immunity, it's not going to go anywhere. So Greg Turner said this man would never have been a sergeant alone, alone. An officer in my department would not pass chief command hire board for my department it was my chief's department would not have hired how accounts or how conducts himself.
Speaker 1:In this interview, yeah, yep, yeah, sorry, I'm just read secretariat. Have y'all talked about sheriff Shane? I forgot his last name in Hardy County. No, we've been today. We, we weren't really going to focus much. I only have two body cam videos pulled up for review. We were focusing mostly on this dude, old Joffrey here, and we were focusing on one other video that I want to get to Two Cops, one Donut from Auditor Cop Watch standpoint. This is why we get upset, because there is a blue line in cops who rise more often than not currently just gloss over these and that's why we are here Audits because of auditors, especially like Long Island Auditor, some of the OGs and I'm sorry, I'm not as familiar with yours I've probably shared your stuff unknowingly.
Speaker 1:I know I've shared Honor, your Oath stuff unknowingly, just because people will send stuff in and they're like what do you think of this? And it's been watered down so bad. But, um, auditors have caused a wonderful trend in policing where we're all got really good first amendment audit training, because you guys exposed the gap in our training, and that's what I love. I love finding out where we're lacking so we can focus on it and fix it. Um, and I, I love first amendment auditors. I actually got First Amendment audited a couple times. You can find me on the Internet, I promise you, and luckily I passed with flying colors and had great interactions with my First Amendment auditor. I think I actually shared the last one with you, jared and Chris, or maybe Chris shared it with you all. But, yeah, I got audited and we just had a great conversation. It was good stuff. So, um, let me see here have you ever ordered fries from McDonald's? I don't know, I'm not a potato Right. It just, oh my God, it's so stupid. But, um, show me the audits and honor your oath.
Speaker 1:I hope you guys stick around with our community and pay attention to the mission that we got going over here, because we really try to highlight what you guys got going out there. And if I could give a tip to auditors, please share some of the cops that do really well. We want to highlight when cops are doing good so cops know and see a good example of how to handle these things, because there really is a lot of good ones out there. You just never really see it and I know you guys probably share that stuff. I just, I want, I want to be able to highlight that too. We like to highlight when cops are doing good things so we have good examples and then we can learn from the bad.
Speaker 1:But yeah, with that, I want to jump over to this video.
Speaker 1:Let me share this screen here, okay.
Speaker 1:So let me give you guys a little backstory.
Speaker 1:This is Dr Sheriff Gregory Toney.
Speaker 1:Now, full disclosure. Gregory has a background. He's got a shady background when it comes to law enforcement. I don't know the specifics, but from what I've been told, he may have some untruthfulness that's been documented or been caught lying, and things like that. I don't care about any of that. What I care about in this particular press conference is he had some jailers that were being charged by prosecution for excessive use of force, and once you watch the video, I think you guys will agree with me there was nothing excessive about it. But it's the way he holds this press conference, and the chronological order of information he gives, I think is something no other law enforcement agency I've ever seen do, and I think it is a thing of beauty and art and all chiefs and sheriffs should copy this format. Okay, so, with that said, I want you guys to watch it. We're not going to watch the whole thing, we're going to go through probably the first 10 minutes again, but I'm going to start pointing out things and showing you guys things on this. So here we go all right.
Speaker 6:First of all, good morning and thank you all for joining us here at my request for this press conference. Before I get into the details and specific nature of why we're here, I just want to identify the foot and everyone in this community will be held to the same stand consecutive years. And before I elaborate and show extended videos to further be accountable and transparent to this community, I'm going to remind you of what I've said for six consecutive years as your two-time duly elected sheriff of this county, and that is when I know, you will know, and that everyone in this organization will be held accountable and everyone in this community will be held to the same standard. I have demonstrated that consistently for six years, to the extent of which I've terminated 141 officers under my command. There hasn't been a sheriff in this state or in this country that has demonstrated that level of aggressive nature of holding law enforcement and public safety professionals responsible. And of those 141 plus cases, 98 times 98, we have submitted over to the state attorney recommending prosecution, and I'm going to run down this one year after the next. This starts in my first year in 2019.
Speaker 6:14 cases was recommended. Of those 14, seven were declined by the state attorney's office. In 2020, 16 cases was submitted, 12 were declined by the state attorney's office. In 2021, 14 cases were submitted and 10 of them were declined by the state attorney's office. 2022, 17, 13 declined. 2023, 22 submitted, 15 declined. 2024, 13 submitted, 8 declined and, as of yet, in 2025, we submitted two and already 50% of them are declined.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm going to pause there. Okay, I'm going to stop sharing because we're going to talk about that part for a minute, because I want to give you guys some insight on what just occurred here. Okay, now, this is great. This is the accountability part that he starts with. Okay, we haven't got into defending the deputies that were in the jail that are being charged with excessive use of force. The first part of this strategy and this template that I like is self-accountability and how we held our guys accountable.
Speaker 1:Now, there's also some politics to this. Sheriffs are elected, so when we see this and he's talking about all of these officers that they tried to charge, it's a shitload. I mean more than anybody I've ever heard of, and it's ridiculous. So to me, the writing on the wall jared and banning, banning, especially because you were a part of a sheriff's department a very political statement right there. I think he charged all of these cops specifically to be able to say that he charged all these people and that the prosecutor failed to do. He declined these charges. That doesn't mean shit politically speaking. What that means is he was trying to throw across, maybe more than likely, a bunch of bullshit charges just to say he did, so he can run on the campaign that I am holding my guys accountable Banning. What do you got to say on this?
Speaker 2:I agree with it. However, if you look at a sheriff's office, sheriff's department which there is two big definitions, I'm not going to go into that right now across the country but a sheriff's office in Texas and in Florida, you have to look at that. Chief deputy or undersheriff is what they call them sometimes. That undersheriff or chief deputy is truly running that organization on a day-to-day basis. The sheriff is the face, he's the politician, he's out there raising awareness on where they're going, what they're doing. But that chief deputy is truly running what's going on on a day-to-day basis. As long as that chief deputy and that sheriff are mirrored in what's going on, then I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2:But sometimes you have two different opinions. Sometimes a sheriff will let that chief deputy go because they're not mirroring 100% on opinions on things. So that's where I have a problem with some sheriff's offices and sheriff's departments is the chief deputy may be running the organization different than what the sheriff is stating publicly out there. And again, that's not all of them, this is not a blanket coverage, because there's a lot of them. They're in simpatico, they're doing a great job, they're everything, but there's some of them that are not and I know the sheriff has had some dark stuff in the past, at least from what's stated on Google and YouTube and whatnot, but I don't have a problem with the actual comments that he's making on this video.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I like that strategy of all right, you're trying to hold our guys accountable. Let me show you how I've held them accountable first. So I like this template. Now, again, this is the inside stuff that we see in policing. I'm trying to kind of expose. I'm not saying this is what he's doing. I'm saying it's a strategy and something to pay attention to. He may be doing this to run on a campaign later that I hold my people accountable and here's how I've done it and here's the numbers. And these numbers he's given are so high, so high.
Speaker 1:But this is another part that I've tried to tell you guys on the show. Just at my department alone, every year that I've been there, there have been several officers each year that have been fired and or charged. So you never hear those numbers. Why? Because the media doesn't push them out. So when you go and hold a press conference, I think every time a chief goes to hold a press conference, he first goes down with how they've been holding their own people accountable.
Speaker 1:If it's some sort of critical incidents, all right, hey guys, we're going to get to that. First, I want you guys to hear how we've been holding our department accountable the last five years and then you go down your numbers. Now they're going to be more realistic numbers. Hey, we've had five people fired, we've recommended two for charges. We've had, you know, three people fired this year, we've recommended one for charges. We like show the people and give them a number, because I guarantee the media is not covering that this sheriff just held his own press conference, so he's controlling the narrative. So that's where I like that.
Speaker 3:Jared, you got anything to add? Yeah, I was looking at the comments and I'm going to butcher the first name, so it's just Lofton's the last name, but it says you might want to change your hiring process there, bro, damn yeah. If you're firing that many people, yeah, you might want to look at what you're hiring too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, katie, dr Alexander said want me to go get a comment from him. I'm in Broward County right now. Yeah, bring them on. I'm well, I ain't scared Um. Police unions control the local media. You know, maybe in New York, but not not many places. That's a it. There's not. I'm not saying that's completely untrue, steve. There's a level of truth to that in certain places, but most places no, because they don't hold any real power, like in Texas, the unions hold no power.
Speaker 2:And they're more of associations in Texas.
Speaker 1:Yeah they're not unions, they're associations.
Speaker 2:Texas has a lot of legislation in place to where law enforcement can't go out there and not go on their shift and picket because of a discrepancy on what they're getting paid, hourly or whatever their salary is. I remember them covering this for two days in the academy that when you demand a pay raise you allow your association to go do that on the side through city council, through county commissioners et cetera. But when you're doing this in the Northeast it's a little bit different. You know the FOP has a little bit different set of what's going on. There's different rules for different parts of the country.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, and that's crazy, Banning that you were able to recall something from your academy.
Speaker 2:I recalled one or two days of instruction, but other than that it's a blur.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so we started off with accountability. I recalled one or two days of instruction, but other than that it's a blur. Yeah, I don't recall. Okay, so we started off with accountability. We talked about how we got our own accountability went down our numbers, so I like this part of the speech. Let's keep going A little pat on his own back. Yeah're not showing the video, brother. Oh, can you hear it? No, I'm sitting there just watching the screen just going off. Let me go back a little bit.
Speaker 6:This agency has been the toughest against corruption in the history of this entire county.
Speaker 6:I rewound it and we do it right here. Our internal affairs are remarkable, our leadership core, our commanders. We don't pinch pennies and we don't dodge our responsibility and we don't care what last name is associated to the people that are responsible for wrongdoings in this community. Numerous times we've submitted cases where individuals who happen to have the popular names of Thurston were ignored. An individual deputy we had here who was a terror in Pompano Beach abusing young black men time over and time over again, and so we had him dead to right where he was terminated from this organization and we've recommended that he would be prosecuted and those charges were dismissed, only for him to take a job in our school system and then batter and abuse another child.
Speaker 6:So I will not accept the nature of these charges against these women, not accept the nature of these charges against these women. The video is crystal clear that they had demonstrated only the level of force necessary to get this individual back in compliance. Our standard is reasonable, necessary, in proportion to the threat of which we face. That is not just BSO standard, that is every walk and talk and law enforcement official in the United States, from the federal down to the counties. It's the same standard. And how do we get to a position where, of all these cases that we've submitted and recommended that deputies, officers, firefighters or anyone else in this agency be arrested and prosecuted, and this becomes the selected three?
Speaker 1:So more to the the strategy. Not only did he talk about all the cases that they've tried to get prosecuted and that were declined, then he went into a specific case and talked about a specific person, and what happened with the outcome of that was so I'm trying to create the formula, the blueprint that I like. So he's like we had a guy that did this and then he ended up going to a school and you guys still didn't do shit about it. So boom, we've named a specific thing and then now he's going into, but these three people are the ones you want to go after. After we've handed you these cases on a silver platter, now, all of a sudden, one that's legit you want to go after. Why is that? So that's the way I'm seeing this so far.
Speaker 6:This is most certainly a miscarriage of justice and exhibits signs and symptoms of public corruption. In itself Favors for friends.
Speaker 1:Bold, bold statement.
Speaker 2:It is directly challenging the courts that's a big bigger statement that I that I think most people may not recall of what it means you know for for his supporters and stuff like that. That.
Speaker 1:That is a lot of boldness for any elected official to be able to state that yeah, yeah, you just challenged your district attorney, or whatever it is that you have out there your ADA, so that was a huge statement. So we've talked about what we've done, what we've tried to do, where it's failed, what the results are, and now we're saying that it's corruption and you're the reason for it. So, holy shit, all right, let's keep going.
Speaker 6:And so I start to ask the question what is the nexus amongst the individuals that is selectively charged and those who are not? Is it their last name? Is it their power play or influence in this community? I am topped out and sick and tired of seeing public corruption and favor for friends in government, from the federal level all the way down to here in Broward County, and it's going to come to an end. We're going to continue to investigate and examine the nature of this case, despite where we are headed in terms of our internal outcome, because we will not live in a community where there's some justice for individuals and then there's not justice for some. It's appalling. Where there's some justice for individuals and then there's not justice for some, it's appalling. I hate to come off in such a high-level temperament at the beginning of this press conference, but folks these women were handcuffed, arrested and their reputations have been destroyed. On average they're hitting almost 20 years apiece. Sergeant Polk have done 22 years in his organization, 22. Outstanding, never an issue.
Speaker 1:So I like this part too. Not only does he get into what happens when you charge people by saying, you're destroying the reputation because, let's face it, everybody we know that's been charged in the department the first thing you're destroying the reputation because, let's face it, everybody we know that's been charged in the department the first thing you're thinking like damn, where'd they fuck up? What do they do? Like you can't help it, it's instinct. So they're not wrong. You are already, you know, tarnishing their career.
Speaker 3:So this is the next part of the blueprint that I like and just from a, just from a speaking point, to like the sheriff's, like cadence and his icon, like he's a phenomenal speaker.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, he's put together.
Speaker 3:I saw him reference his maybe his speech once or twice and the rest of it's all off memory and it's awesome, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He actually recalls some things. It's kind of nice.
Speaker 1:He does recall some stuff.
Speaker 6:So yeah, let's, let's keep going on any of these deputies in terms of their conduct in the performance of maintaining some of the worst people in society. Every year, this jail processes over 44000 inmates, and these women who are now being persecuted are the ones that have been stood and standing at the front line, protecting and serving this community, and doing it at the highest level of professionalism.
Speaker 1:I mean he's nailing it, he's throwing out numbers 44,000 people they in process every year and that they're in the front line of that, trying to give a perspective of the job for those that don't have it.
Speaker 2:Yep, and Deadleg made a good point. He has command presence and that's a big thing on these elected officials when they're not brought in there on a popularity thing and they actually have command presence regardless of his history. I'm just talking about the person in general that's in front of us right now making this speech. Command presence is very important If you want to get the attention of your audience, of your voters, whatever you want to call them your constituents, you know you've got to have that command presence. You have to show them you're truly running that organization, you're doing the best that you can and it's and you're. You're laying the hammer down on on things that are going wrong, regardless of what the past was. Yep.
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Speaker 6:Not once have we had an issue of excessive force with either or any of the three of these employees, and so that leads me to, yes, standing here unified with their defense attorneys, because this is righteous. There's been times where myself and these men and these attorneys we've been at war, in a difference of opinion about actions I've taken in this community or for this community within this agency.
Speaker 1:And what he's referring to here, because these attorneys behind him are defense for the officers involved in this, and he has been. This sheriff has been at the other end battling against these attorneys because he's trying to fire their guys or charge them. So again, it's the self-account, accountability and putting that out there, the transparency. Again, I don't care who this sheriff is, I don't care about his history. That's not what I'm focused on. I'm focused on how he's defending his people and I'm giving you guys a blueprint of how he's doing it and I think it is amazing. So check that out. Oh, cody, high Roller's on. I want you guys to know, cody, it's been's been a night bro. We've had a lot of the auditors on here. Um, we, we've had. Uh, who do we have earlier? Um, I'm trying to remember all the names of the auditors. Give me one second. I'm scrolling through. Uh, who do we have? Banny the tequila's getting to me.
Speaker 1:No, I'm trying to see right now that the chat is on your oath on your oath was one of them, um, but I'm trying to remember the other dude. I don't want I'm forgetting his name. Um, honor your oath. Uh, cody, high roller, is an auditor as well. Um, cody, please don't say my department out here, but cody did a audit on me and uh, I don't think he intended to. We just happened to have a conversation and uh, it was a good combo the other was a show me audits show me audits.
Speaker 1:There it is, yeah, so we had both of those guys on tonight. Long island auditor was on um a couple podcasts ago, live streams ago. So, um guys, make sure you guys check out Cody Highroller. He is another auditor that goes out there and you know he's trying to uphold the mission of accountability and we're all about that, so love it. Levine can't even recall who was in the chat. I know my brain's. I've been drinking all right and tonight I am not drinking Smoke Wagon, I am drinking Addictivo tequila. Look at this fancy bottle. I know it's aged in French oak barrels and I know it looks really expensive $45.
Speaker 2:I can't remember which content in the past couple of days you put out, but watching Smoke Wagon like it, man, I was like I know I'm like, look at this, yep, yep, smoke Wagon like it.
Speaker 1:It made me happy man Still the best whiskey in the world Bourbon. So I'm not dropping them, guys. I just was in a tequila mood tonight. I like to sip a little tequila from here. Mr Billfold, I watched Cody's video with you, Eric. Hey, there we go with you, Eric, hey there we go yeah, we just had a combo that was all.
Speaker 1:There was nothing. There was no real audit to it. It was just a good time. But yeah, make sure you guys check him out. He said I've been in Dallas. He goes, I won't. Man, you was a good guy. Not all the cops are bad.
Speaker 6:I love it. Thanks, brother, appreciate you. So let's get back to this video. But today we stand together because this is right and we cannot allow a Pandora's box of law enforcement officials in this county being arrested and prosecuted when there's no.
Speaker 1:This guy needs the blink. It's driving me nuts. He needs the blink, he is he is hot.
Speaker 2:What is his rankings? Is that a major? It looks like a major, I look like a major. My boy is just focused.
Speaker 1:What is his rankings? Is that a major? He looks like a major. Yeah, he looks like a major. My boy is just focused over here. He's creeping me out.
Speaker 6:No probable cause, but only indicators that there's a potential that this is being done for somebody else as a favor. And I'm going to highlight so many different elements of concern with this investigation thus far. To begin with, the nature of the arrest my deputy Deputy Guzman conducted a DUI investigation.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to fast forward. Okay, so you guys can actually see the video in question. All right, andy Fletcher. He said I can't even smell tequila. Listen, there's different levels. This is a Nejo. It's't even smell tequila. Listen, there's different levels. This is a Nejo. It's a sipping tequila. It doesn't taste, smell anything like that type of tequila which we've all had those nights, I promise. So just learn the differences, you'll have a good time. But, mr Billfold, I watched this whole thing and never noticed major Beetlejuice until Eric pointed it out. Yeah, he got crazy eyes, but this is the use of force in question. So I wanted to get to this part of the video because I think the sheriff brings up great points.
Speaker 6:We've seen that thus far, and then we'll move forward to where the physical altercation begins.
Speaker 3:So this is the video that I know you've already seen, so we're going to speed some of this up, because there's a lot to cover here today.
Speaker 6:Now, throughout that engagement, the suspect decides she's going to be a smarty pants and throw the bra and try to hit the deputy in her face. The deputy captures it, pushes her back to disengage and then you have this suspect deciding that she's going to launch forward to try to assault this deputy.
Speaker 1:I want you to notice that it isn't one person that sees the signs. They didn't. It wasn't this one person that had the bra about to be thrown at her that noticed something was wrong. This, this I don't know if you guys can see my mouse, but this second officer that comes in, she had the pepper spray ready and they use foam in the jail so it doesn't fog everybody out. So she is coming in hot ready because she sees the, as I like to call it, the eye of the tiger taking off with this little, you know 120-pound wrecking machine. And I know what some of you may be thinking. Well, these guys outsize her by a lot.
Speaker 1:I've told you guys before, the worst fights are the little wiry people. You can't get their arms behind their back because their arms will fold up behind their head in Gumby-like ways. You just can't get control of them. Come at you like a spider monkey. Yeah, exactly. So watch the reaction. You don't have to wait to get hit to be reactive. If you can see the signs and symptoms coming, try to prevent it. Them handling the use of force early actually prevents a higher use of force later, and I've talked about that before a ton on here. So I think that's what these officers are doing they're handling business right away, up front, so they don't have to use a higher use of force later. So let's go back.
Speaker 6:The suspect decides she's going to be a smarty pants and throw the bra and try to hit the deputy in her face.
Speaker 1:So she blocks. Now look second officer's already starting to draw. She sees that this person is not going to cooperate and is already. We can't hear what's being said, but it's body language. I don't care what's being said.
Speaker 6:The deputy captures it, pushes her back to disengage.
Speaker 1:So pushing back to disengage. I know that sounds counterproductive or it doesn't sound like the right thing, but she's literally trying to create distance between them. Now, this is the part that sucks we can't see what's being said or what's happening. But you've got your second officer coming in and if I were to guess her job is to observe and to maybe go communicate with other people if necessary or whatever, but two officers should be able to handle it and she stays back Bannon.
Speaker 2:what do you think, well, this entry point, just so, the amount of jails that I've been into in these entry points going around training around the country, that yellow line that you're seeing on the camera usually signifies the halfway point. So you usually have two and a half to four feet on one side, two and a half to other and they usually tell that inmate do not cross this yellow line. You know, one will be corrections officers on one side and the inmate will be on the other and they're going through a screening process and that's that's what that yellow line is in a lot of these intake facilities across the country. So if you want to envision truly what size of this little tiny rectangular room is, it's not that big.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and one of the accusations on this is that they intentionally pushed her behind the yellow line because they know that's where the camera can't see. No, the yellow line is a control mechanism that they use in the jails to say do not go past this line. They tell the person we will stay us as the jailers, we will stay on our side, you will stay on yours, and it's a control thing. So there's no contact. We don't want any contact. I will set your trays down, I will set your whatever down. You put your stuff over the line, but this line is the clear mark. And then, if anything happens, we can say like look, they came over the line. They were told not to go over the line, they knew where the line was at and they didn't listen.
Speaker 6:It's not this is where the camera can't see anymore. That's not what this is, so let's keep going, engage, and then you have this suspect deciding that she's going to launch for so this is a defensive posture.
Speaker 1:It is absolutely. It was not coming at her. The the jailer was not coming at her. She's defending herself and you can see it in her eyes. Uh, I'm gonna go back just slightly.
Speaker 6:Watch her eyes is this and try to hit the deputy in her face.
Speaker 1:The deputy captures it pushes her back to disengage. And then you have this suspect now watch her eyes. She's gonna launch to try to she was ready pepper spray is out, she's going, so I can tell you right now what you're trained to do is body weight.
Speaker 6:Get her. Get her to the ground and start doing joint manipulation, if you can.
Speaker 1:And the efforts are made to control her, not to brutally beat her, not to create some form of great bodily harm or injury upon. So you're the second person throughout the pepper spray foam and now it's affecting everybody. I don't think that was intentional. I I think it was intentional that she tried to use pepper spray, but I don't think it was intentional for it to ricochet off the wall. So that happened in the course of her fighting, not her complying, or they're taking her to the ground.
Speaker 2:And if they would have used impact on this, only the person being sprayed would have been affected. Got to throw that in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh. Kingslayer said it doesn't look like she went to throw it in the deputy's face. It looks like she was holding the bra up and it got snatched out of her hand, followed by the shove. I disagree. I think it was coming towards her, because this is nobody hands things like that and I don't know if you guys can see me on the camera like I don't hand people like that. She's trying to put it in her face. She maybe not tried to hit her with it, but she was slinging it in her face so she got it, grabbed it, got it out of the way and then pushed her back. I think that's fair and then she obviously went in from that upon her, which are some of the statutory stipulations for aggravated battery.
Speaker 6:That's not what's occurring here. She was sprayed with oc, they tried to tase her and she's still fighting so there's been no strikes thrown yet.
Speaker 1:I am, you guys, I'm a useful force expert and I know I can't see everything, but you usually can see the body language of the people throwing the punches. You'll see the lineup, the windup for things. I'm not seeing any windups. I see control. I see body pressure. That's what I see happening. Jared, do you got anything on that?
Speaker 3:Not exactly. You haven't seen any pre-fight indicators.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly.
Speaker 2:And most of these jails I mean I'm not sure when they did a rebuffer or when they replaced their cameras on some type of Homeland Security grant but most of these entry areas when you come into county jails across the country have that 360 camera. Don't know why this is not the case in this one. I'm not. I'm not hammering them for this, but usually you'll have a 360 camera in these entryways to where, during this video, it's all digital, kind of like a real lifetime crime center or a lot to where you can actually pan around and see the entire circumference of the room. Not sure why. This is comfort you and I think that would have answered a lot more questions if they truly had that in this room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to shout out to Centurion tactical for becoming a member. Thank you, brother, Appreciate you. But yeah, so so far I see body weight. They're trying to use some of the spray foam. I'm not a fan of pepper spray, usually ever in an enclosed space, even if it is foam. Uh. But you know, teach their own is what it is.
Speaker 3:I've never dealt with the foam. I've only dealt with the stream or the fog.
Speaker 1:The foam takes longer to get off your skin. Yeah, in my opinion Makes sense.
Speaker 6:Then it's asserted that somehow they mysteriously, are egregiously attempted to.
Speaker 1:So I liked that they highlighted that hand, because what that shows is the glove is she was being degloved, which is that. That's that's the person grabbing you and trying to pull shit off of you. That's not her trying to take her own glove off. So that shows that this person was actively fighting against them.
Speaker 6:Hide and pull her behind the line.
Speaker 1:Now she's's it's absurd we've tried. We've tried using joint manipulation. It's not working. This is the lowest level use of force we have guys. This is the lowest level when joint manipulation fails. Personal weapon strikes hands, feet, fists.
Speaker 2:That and joint joint manipulation of people, that Google and stuff that we say. I mean you can look up stuff like PPCT, pressure point control tactics these are the very, very low level stuff escorting somebody into and out of a courtroom facility or into a jail or out of an area and you're using that very, very low level stuff. Ppct was huge late 80s, all the way through the 90s to the early 2000s. That was the holy grail, if you will, for defensive tactics, what we call it now. And of course we have upgraded and we're actually meeting force with force to stop situations. But, eric, do you agree with that?
Speaker 1:I mean it's yeah, absolutely, and I taught PPCT as well. But Mr Bill Fold said we've all seen officers and jailers use excessive force. I feel qualified to say that these deputies were not in there trying to go hands on. Can we not at least agree on that? And then also, shotguns and tattoos is out for the night. So good night, appreciate you being on. But, yeah, agree, mr billfold, that you could tell and the body language of the jailers. They were going in. They just wanted to get the hell out of there and then this girl started acting a fool did our deputy strike her?
Speaker 6:you better believe they did. I love it. You better believe that if you bite me in the hand and decided you're going to sink your teeth into me as a law enforcement officer in this community, there's going to be two outcomes, folks, two outcomes I'm going to strike you in your face until you let go, or I'm going to strike you until you don't have any teeth in your mouth.
Speaker 1:I'm okay with that. You bite me and you don't let go. You're getting it all.
Speaker 2:And I've not been in a facility yet where they did not have audio. Why is there not audio in the video? It's? I have no clue. Yeah, but there's usually a little, a little ping up there that you're going to see in all subs and and circle case to where it's. It's a high audio device that's picking up audio in the entire room. Once you enter a corrections facility it's audio and video recorded for the most part, and I think audio would shed a little bit of light on this as well. Would you agree? Yeah, I just do. I mean, I wish audio was released with this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I typically, when I review use of force, I will listen to it muted first because I care more about action than I do words, but then I will listen to the audio because it does help, it does enhance and help you figure out more things when.
Speaker 1:I'm looking to see if something's excessive. It doesn't matter what's being said, I need to see what's happening. So we can't see what's happening. So this is where the audio would actually help a lot. But, yeah, you bite me and hold on and and this is a little precursor to what actually happened for those that don't know and he's going to get to it, but she bites and breaks his jailer's thumb. So, yeah, you're getting the business it's the real world.
Speaker 6:Let's not play any games with this. You don't get a free pass at law enforcement officers. If that's what this community expect, they can vote me out of office in 2028.
Speaker 1:And that's a bold. That's a big, not a bold, that's a big statement. You don't get a free pass at law enforcement and that is. That seems to be a standard that's gone across in a few places and I don't like that narrative. Oh, that's what you signed up for, that's this, that's that that.
Speaker 1:No, yes, I fully know people are going to attack me. I'm going to get in fights and it's going to be up to me to use my discretion if I'm going to charge that person for assaulting a peace officer. Now, am I likely going to do that if this person comes at me in a jail like this? No, but if you bite me and are malicious in what you're doing, yeah, now I'm going to add the charges to assault to a peace officer, like, that's the way it's. Jared, how many times have you been in a scrum and you get them in cuffs? You dust them off. You're good, bro. Do you need any medical? No, you're good, okay. Like cuffs, you dust them off, you good bro. Do you need any medical? No, you good, okay, like.
Speaker 3:That's just part of being bad guys and robbers like the game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's how. That's how it is. That's part of the fun. I mean, let's be honest, that's part of the fun of being a cop. Bad guy do bad guy things, good guy do good guy things. And then at the end of it, yeah, bro man, you had me gassed. I ran my ass out like I thought I was going to lose you. Oh, no, man, I thought I was losing you.
Speaker 2:I've had those conversations several times and I call it bedside and that's when you're sitting with somebody, at whatever hospital that you're sitting at with them, and it's because we had an encounter and, unfortunately, a use of force was used. But now what we're doing is we're getting you medically cleared to go back to the jail and if you don't get medically cleared, we listen to the doctor's recommendation, we advise the judge and we go, we go forth, we either release, we take them back to the jail, whatever. But I I've been there several times. Matter of fact, there's a big hospital, a large metropolitan city in North Texas that when I walked in, they knew that this person probably did something that they weren't supposed to do and they needed to get the medical cleared and get them the heck out of there. Um, you know, sometimes we had to wait for them to wake up or whatever, um, from from what they did, but they, they usually hurt somebody and that's the reason that, where they're sitting on them, yeah.
Speaker 1:Cody High Roller said yeah, I agree. Once you start assaulting cops, you're putting yourself in a really bad spot, especially in court. Agree, let me see. Marine Blood said I'm liking this guy more Now. Guys, you're all about accountability and stuff. I think when you start looking into this guy's background, you're going to be like, oh, I don't support this dude, because you're going to be like how did he? How is he still a cop? So, uh, like I said, I like what he's saying, like the order of operations, I like the current point, we're saying we, we, we support.
Speaker 2:However, do we support everything in his past? No, you know not, not at all. Is is that a hundred percent accurate? We don't know, but from what we're gathering, it's not the greatest.
Speaker 1:Yeah and and if there's any credibility to some of the stuff I've heard. I just haven't done my research on him. I know a little bit my little google searches on him, so I I can tell you that definitely need to do your research on him before you start saying you like him.
Speaker 3:I don't know anything about him, so at this point I want to shake his hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah and that's what I said like, if I'm these three jailers, I love him. I give a shit less about his past because he's defending them in a way that I've never seen. And I think this is the blueprint. I think this is how they should be doing this stuff. So let's keep going.
Speaker 6:Now we'll move on into the part where the active resistance is over and these officers you can see for yourself. Because of the nature of these allegations and what's been, all on.
Speaker 1:All right, kingslayer, you, you, you just threw yourself in a in a corner on this one. How much you want to bet? The deputy accidentally stuck her finger in the woman's mouth and when they went to the ground the woman mouth closed. If it's not on video, I don't trust this chief. It's not that you trust in the chief. This is the report of the jailers. The chief wasn't there. Sheriff wasn't there. He doesn't know. So in that I've in fights my hands have slipped into somebody's mouth. Nobody accidentally bites somebody. It doesn't happen. And if they did, it's so quick that they stop and you especially don't break that person's finger. They broke the thumb that's thicker than the regular finger.
Speaker 3:Yeah, regardless, even if it was an accident, that person took the opportunity to bite down on her thumb.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and could have complied. This is the part that we're talking about. You don't get a free pass just because it's law enforcement. This is part of the problem, kingslayer, and with what you're saying is you're taking the accountability completely out of the person. That, kingslayer, and with what you're saying is you're taking the accountability completely out of the person that started all this.
Speaker 1:The jailers didn't want to fight. When they get in there, they just want to do their thing get the clothes, check for weapons, get the fuck out of there Because they don't want to work. Nobody wants to do anything like that. I hope so. To sit there and say that or say, because it wasn't on video, that now everybody else has to be lying, that's a cop out, that's a lazy cop out. That is not reasonable, that is not logical and I reject that argument. I reject that because now you're saying three people were complicit in that. Because now you're saying three people were complicit in that and you could see that this person was not listening, not complying, because if they were, this would have never started.
Speaker 6:Would have never started, perpetrated within a state attorney's office. Now I have to release security-based videos that we traditionally do not, but I'm not going to let these women get hung like. This is some Salem witch trial. It's not happening on my watch. If they want to come for those deputies, they better come.
Speaker 1:Sparky said please stop referring to them as cops. Ilios, they are corrections deputies. I don't. Deputies are still sworn, right.
Speaker 2:If they actually have the title deputy, yes, yeah, that's usually correct across the United States. But if they have a CEO corrections officers, they're under a different set.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but these are deputies.
Speaker 2:Well, we would have to. You know I'm going to disagree just a little bit because we have to look into this a little bit more. So there's, you know, in Broward County they have a mixture of COs and deputies. So there may be one deputy that may be the lieutenant sergeant over the command that's there that evening, but the rest of maybe COs and I don't know on this specific, and he may be getting a little confused as well doing this press conference, but these may be all COs. There may be a deputy within the form of folks that are in there right now, but I don't think. I think these are intake COs from what I'm seeing. But they may be deputies and I could be a hundred percent wrong, but from what I'm seeing I believe they're COs.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, he keeps calling them deputies. I can only go off of what's being said. I don't know you could be right, sparky, so I'm just going off of what's being said. I see a star on her shirt right now, right.
Speaker 2:I don't know why we would give a civilian something like that. There's a lot of places in North Texas that have changed from a star to a circle to when they're out in public, it truly lets people know what they are, because there was a lot of similarities in the early 2000s to where everybody that worked under a certain organization had the same exact star and you had to get in and kind of look at that sewn on badge Are you corrections or are you a deputy, so that the, the, the administrator that is now in there in 2016, you know, change that to a circle, to where the public would know that's a CEO and this is a deputy, because they have a star and when they're in the jail it's an empty holster, obviously because they're doing jail duties.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, I learned something today. I don't know. It's not my world, so, sparky, you very well could be right. Sir, don't get mad at me, come for me first.
Speaker 6:We can speed up and show the after effect where they're in the hallway. I want this community to see these women who wide away.
Speaker 1:One of them is standing there with a broken thumb and still concerned about the inmates care so in this this goes, you know, to my point against kingslayer and what he was saying somebody that wants to fight and wants to be malicious and do all that stuff. They're not going to all that stuff, they're not going to go through this, they're not going to get up, dust you off, take care of you, and and that's exactly what happens from here on out. Um, I'm going to play just a little bit more and then we'll, we'll, we'll discuss where's the brutality there?
Speaker 6:where's your aggravated battery? Where's your rogue, unprofessional deputies? Where's the lack of discipline you show me? You tell me she couldn't even hold her own head up for a photo.
Speaker 1:Look, she's trying to hide from the picture, trying to keep her still they take the picture.
Speaker 6:we'll move on to the next progression, back up just a little bit. I don't want to be accused that we're speeding through stuff Right there. They're still checking on her care. They're still trying to get her situated.
Speaker 1:They've uncuffed her? I think no.
Speaker 6:they cuffed her to the front now instead of behind does that look like a bunch of overly emotional rogue deputies that doesn't have discipline to be in a professional capacity to care for someone who just assaulted them and broke the bones in their fingers? Despite already having been in a fight with them, they continue to check on her, and then they provide her water and allow this woman to calm down and come off of her high A big-ass bug just crawled across my floor.
Speaker 1:It freaked me out. All right, so we will end this video here. Stop sharing um and and. So again the blueprint. That is what I want to focus on because by the end I think the majority of us minus kingslayer, I think the majority of us watched that and we were more prone to understand the defense of their actions, because we bought into the credibility that this guy does hold his people accountable, because he talked about how many people he's tried to get prosecuted and all of that and that he's fired. His numbers were a little high. I don't agree with that. I think that was kind of a political statement he was making. But he went into that, then talked about a specific example and then from the specific example, he went in and threw out the gauntlet and said that it's the prosecutors or not, there's some corruption going on. And then he goes into showing the video and talking about the use of force Beautiful. How many other chiefs and sheriffs have you ever seen do it that way? I have never seen it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I mean, he's said he's phenomenal speaker. I think the fact that he did relay, that he is harsh on his people and he will fire you if you're a bad cop, but then he's defending the good ones, like what more can you ask for? It's fantastic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, defending the good ones. Like, what more can you ask for? It's fantastic. Yeah, yeah, so again, guys, I, I love, I love doing accountability stuff. I love holding, if we see, like we talked about with this idiot, joffrey um before great accountability on that dude, but there's a time and a place for that. You've got these 20 22 year jailers that have been doing this forever and just are going through the motions and all of a sudden they've got to deal with this hyped-up dope head. That is high and that's what high people do occasionally, and they dealt with it professionally.
Speaker 3:I've said it before, I'll say it again you think being a cop is hard. Being a DO or CO is probably one of the hardest jobs out there. Props to those people, man. I could never do it.
Speaker 1:You're only dealing with bad guys mostly.
Speaker 2:Yep, these people are behind closed doors all day long.
Speaker 2:They're coming to work every day they come in and they've been riled up on the street or in the situation they were in.
Speaker 2:They come in and they're this new face and they're mad at the uniform, the badge, everything that they think got them in that situation.
Speaker 2:It's usually never on their actions. There's some that totally own up to what they do and they're like they're not going to give anybody a problem. They're like, hey, I'm going to go see the man, meaning the judge, I'm going to see the jury and they're going to go through their process and thank God for the folks that that understand that and they're and they're going to leave it up to the courts. But there's some that come in there that are so upset and so riled less than 1% of those are in there for reasons for that they don't need to be there and I feel for those and I want to help those. We want to highlight that. However, the ones that come in there and actually start a problem, these people are in there doing their job and they have a family at home and they're doing everything they can to make sure they go home and safe at night and from what I'm seeing in this video, they were very light.
Speaker 2:They were very, very light and they're doing their frigging job. They're trying to exert the professionalism.
Speaker 2:You mean light in their use of force In their use of force? Yeah, absolutely. I mean they're very light. I mean they could have easily, depending on their policies and procedures, stopped that immediately.
Speaker 2:I don't know how many times I've been a deputy on the road. Again, let me understand. You know my career. The majority of my time I was in a medium to large-sized city as a municipal police officer and then I came out here to BFE in the middle of nowhere and I had to deal with the jail. Now I had to deal with the jail Some is a municipal police officer before we went into a joint pack with four other cities and we'd have to go in and help the jailers. But out here it's. You know these.
Speaker 2:These jailers would get on the phone, call dispatch and say send me the deputy, because it's not more than one, I need help. And we come in there, we take out all our weapons, we're going in there to the unknown, so to speak, and we have to rectify and stop the problem at hand to make sure this person doesn't hurt their self or anybody else. And these things can go a million miles a minute or can be long and drawn out, and you're doing everything you can to make sure this person doesn't get hurt or somebody else doesn't, and that's a very fine line to follow, and people don't understand what these CEOs go through. Do I agree with the training and what goes on where I was at? No, I think they needed it more, but for the training that they received, they were still reasonable and prudent people and they didn't want to hurt anybody and they did the best that they could with the tools that they had on their tool boat.
Speaker 1:Yep Agreed. How do you know she's high? The sheriff said she had amphetamines in her system. That doesn't mean above prescription level. Amphetamines are used for ADHD Possible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, if we can bring in all these freaking pharmacists and doctors out there misprescribing and like, oh, you have this and you need this and take this and this and this and this, and you just have a little warning on the bottle Don't drive, don't operate machinery, don't do this. Basically, don't live. Because if you're taking this medication to take whatever your ailment is, that's BS. And you go out there and make some frigging mistakes that are going to completely alter your life. That pisses me off more than no end.
Speaker 1:And part of my problem with your argument, kingslayer, is you're coming from the stance of court. We do not have the luxury of court when we're in the job. We can only go off the information that we receive at the time. She was arrested for a DUI. They had her blood tested. She was positive for whatever amphetamines or whatever, doesn't matter. We can only go off what we know at the time and that is how you judge an officer is based on reasonableness and what they know at the time. And despite that, it was her actions that caused it. It doesn't matter if she was high or not. She attacked them. You could clearly see it. She went at them, not them. Come at her. They pushed her back, told her to stay against the wall and she came right back at him. Sorry, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Speaker 2:You know. So people understand when you, when you're out on the streets and you get into a we'll call it a call for service number or an incident, that incident is done, you're being arrested for whatever, be it a warrant, a current charge, something a peace officer saw you do, and they're they're, they're attesting to it, they make a report. They're now they're bringing you to a correctional facility. You're in there. That arresting officer has released you to the custody of the COs in whatever county or municipality jail, and now you enter that facility and then you create another disturbance of what's going on and you may be upset of everything that's going on. Now you're creating an entire new case. If you're that arrested person, this is an entire new or an additional or add on to the existing, and that's what people are failing to realize.
Speaker 2:You, you may be very upset at the reason, but, but your fight is in the courthouse. Your fight is when you get to get to that court and you're, you have your attorney and you get to lay your facts out on the table. Your fight is not with those CEOs. Now, granted, if the CEOs are, are are breaking your fourth amendment, or any of your amendments for that matter, then yes, you have it, but fight that in the courtroom, fight that where it makes sense and you can bring all the evidence to light.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Mr Belford said. I think the audio is redacted because it is likely spicy in the heat of the moment and would make the officers less sympathetic. Just a guess. That's possible. Yeah, you know, if they were like you fucking bitch, you just attacked me and then they just go after, like I've heard that stuff before. When you get in a fight that type of language can come out sometimes. So that's possible. Or it's just possible they don't have audio. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to speculate. I would hope they have audio and if it went to court I'm sure the audio would definitely come out.
Speaker 2:And there's a lot of people watching this, because I've had nine corrections officers reach out for a connection in the past 15 minutes on LinkedIn, because they're obviously watching this live and I would love to hear from them. I would love to have conversations with them. I would love to eventually get somebody that's been in corrections for 15 plus years to give an example of what they go through on a daily basis. I'd love to get them on the show just so people can hear that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and from my understanding the charges were were dropped. I think that was the update. I think the charges were dropped. Um, don't, don't hold me to the fire on that. I'm not 100 sure, but yeah they were dropped against the dos the yeah, yeah, I think we dropped against them.
Speaker 1:So, um, but yeah, cody, high roller, he's like yeah, I agree with uh, what do you say? Yeah, I agree with the being high part, but I am also of the belief that someone that high could possibly need medical attention they couldn't offer in that facility. Yeah, that's for sure part of it. I have been in fights with people drunk. I've been in fights with people high, not on weed. I've never been in a fight with a high on weed, never fought a pothead, never fought a pothead.
Speaker 2:I'm usually buying them a fight with a high on weed, never fought a pothead. I'm usually buying them a sandwich.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, pro tip to you officers out there If you've got somebody that you've busted and you know they're going to go away for a little while and they're being cool, run them through the drive-thru real quick before you get to the jail. They're not going to get a decent meal for a while and it's just a good investment. Just a pro tip. I always kept cigarettes with me. I'm not a smoker. Keep cigarettes with me. A couple of different kinds marbles, newports, whatever, funny funny story at the cigarette.
Speaker 2:So I started doing that and when I was a Marine I smoked, I dipped, I drank alcohol, I you know but but I started keeping cigarettes with me. I had a good FTO that told me hey, keep cigarettes with you, this keeps people calm. And one time I opened a pack, I mean, and I don't know how long it was in my go bag and this guy's like man, I would kill for a cigarette right now and I would love to talk to you all. I'm like you know what I got, that I go in there and I get that pack of Marlboro Light 100s. I'm packing it for him and I get it out and I give it to him. He takes a long drop of that cigarette and he goes Jesus Christ, brother, how long have these been in your bag? I was inhaling just paper and I'm like man, I'm sorry. And I went and bought him a new pack before it went up to three, three, you know, $300 a pack or whatever it is now.
Speaker 2:And it's you know but but it goes. So those of you are doing that, make sure your shit ain't stale and don't give up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I was a negotiator, I was the lead negotiator on our team and we had a guy hanging out at the freeway overpass and he said he'd come down for a cup of coffee. So I had an officer run to the station to get a cup of coffee and if you ever know anything about station coffee, it is pretty much just jet fuel. It's gross. So we hand it to him and he takes a sip and he throws it out and he goes. This is the worst effing coffee I've ever had in my life. But thank you.
Speaker 1:But it says on the counter that it's the world's best cup of coffee.
Speaker 2:That's right. If it comes out of a PD, you know it's from the cheapest vendor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would always keep mine. I didn't have full packs, I just kept them in the big gum cases.
Speaker 1:You just kept them rolled in your sleeve yeah, yeah, the big gum cases or a little ziploc bag in the glove box, and I would leave them in my car, so any of the other officers that took that car out on the other shifts if they wanted to get a hold of them. They knew where they were at um, because I'm a teen player, so but uh, yeah, let's. Uh, all right, we're gonna get to the two body cams that we have. So I think we've we've talked and discussed the two big problems that we had there give me, give me 45 seconds.
Speaker 1:Tell my daughter good night, real quick all right, yeah, I'll be shouting out police activity while we do that. So, um, let's see here, let's share the screen, so we always like to give credit with everybody's stuff that we use. Tonight, we're going to use Police Activity. Shout out to them, guys, make sure you follow them. They've only got 6.5 million subscribers, so they need some more. I use that same joke every time. I'm so jelly that they have that many subscribers and I'm sitting at maybe 14,000, which is nothing to sneeze at. That's amazing. Uh, we have, we have a tight knit community, so that's what I like. But, uh, yeah, so all the videos are going to be off here tonight. Guys, make sure you go. I'm stalling for banning, by the way. Uh, mr Billfold said uh, tonight's stream has been one of my favorites of late. All right, awesome, we will try to. Maybe we'll. We'll start copying the format that we've been doing tonight.
Speaker 3:We'll start Mr Billfold's, one of my favorites of late.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know All right, let me uh, vicky size. Let me see. Well, we need to get to the video. Where's that Okay? Here we need to get to the video. Where's that? Okay? Here's the first one. Let me rewind, because it played just like the first 15 seconds. Okay, and share this one instead.
Speaker 1:Good, biggie size, all right, and I am going to wait for Banning to pop his little head in here. So I'm going to check out the comments real quick. What's my mom saying? She said exactly why I don't believe she has adhd. Adhd king. That med would not make her amped up, aggressive or enraged. If she is adhd, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm not a. I'm not a learning doctor, so I wish I could learn doctors. The, the house of learned doctors. Oh, I can. What if I do this? Well, look at that, can move people's pictures around. Fancy, I was trying to move us to the other side is what I was trying to do, but it won't, will it? Let me? Let me try. Try this way. Jackpot, you won. There we go Now. The comments won't block your face, jared. Nice, there he is. We was waiting for you, guy. Thank you. Looking at the chats, magdump just dumped $2 on us. Appreciate you, brother. He gave us a super sticker. He goes wait for it, wait for it, or it's with a clock as the A. Oh funny, all right, let's keep going here, all right, and play. I think we're playing. Yeah, we're playing.
Speaker 7:All right, Mr Balloon, step out for real quick. I ain't got to get out of here.
Speaker 8:You should do because I got a probable cause of search vehicle. Now why? Because he said there's a roach in the car. So you want to step out of the car or I'm going to have to force you to remove you from the car.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we don't have a lot of backstory, but it looks like it's a traffic stop and he said the key words. I have probable cause. He said there's a roach in the car Jared. What's a roach?
Speaker 3:That would be a Mary Jane cigarette. The devil's lettuce, the devil's lettuce.
Speaker 2:That would be the gummy that somebody spoke about earlier, in a leafy form.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:The total stark contrast from Officer joffries to this guy. Yes he laid out exactly what the issue was yeah, so you are required to get out.
Speaker 1:Um, and I would even argue that if I was the officer and about to search this car, I'm gonna put you in cuffs. So, uh, I don't know whose roach it is there. If there's a little bit, there may be more, and we've got to figure out who it is and what crime's afoot. So, yeah, everybody's detained, everybody's going in cuffs.
Speaker 2:That's how I would handle it, banning anything on that, no as long as you have legal reason to be there, you have elements of the offense. Everything's stated to you. As long as the cop's a good cop, we keep going forward yeah, and it's more than a smell.
Speaker 1:He said he sees. He sees a roach. So it's actually an on view offense.
Speaker 7:So let's go here and if you don't comply, you will be placed under arrest for disorderly conduct and obstructing operations. So step out of the vehicle now okay, a little aggressive.
Speaker 1:It's not exactly what I would call using verbal judo. I don't really like that approach. I don't be like hey bro, listen, we got to search the car. There's a roach in there. You're not in trouble yet. We have to figure this out. We got to investigate. I just need you to step out of the car. I'm going to place you in cuffs, but that doesn't mean you're under arrest. Safety precaution while we do this. Boom, very simple, you don't got to talk to people, even though this guy's not talking very nice, but you know, I think he's being but at the same time, even though he's not, you could probably bring him down by talking him smoother toner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cody, high roller. So the ownership goes to whoever the registered owner of the vehicle maybe depends on the location. Depends on the location of it. Now, if I see a roach and it's between this guy's feet on the ground and I smell the weed, well, he's in closer proximity and devil's advocate.
Speaker 3:What if it's a rental car?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, what if it is a rental?
Speaker 3:car. We hold enterprise responsible right.
Speaker 1:so this is, this is all part of it. So, but yeah, I don't like the officer's, I just don't like his tone. I don't like his tone. It's all wrong. Agreed, he could be a little nicer. Could be nicer. Yeah, it's not my style.
Speaker 8:Don't reach around inside the vehicle. Step out of the vehicle.
Speaker 1:Fuck you, man. That's what he said.
Speaker 3:Okay, this is going to get interesting. Let's see how this goes. He is also, I mean you can see on the upper he's a kentucky state trooper, so that explains some of the demeanor those.
Speaker 1:Those guys are a little bit more to the point yeah, I heard they've been having a lot of problems with kentucky troopers. Out there, though, some some corruption going on with the dwis and whatnot, but let's keep going you want to go to jail, keep it up. I'm not scared of jail.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, well, I'm gonna that's not phrasing I ever want to hear I ain't scared of jail I couldn't hear it he goes I ain't scared of jail. Yeah, I'm putting you in cuffs now, sir. That's not a good indicator. Um, I think a lot of this right now is just communication. 99.9 of this job is talking. Neither one of them are talking well to each other and it's causing a build-up but you can tell he's setting himself up for a nice little wrist lock there yep, I like the control.
Speaker 1:uh, I agree with that. If, if I'm him, I'm putting him in cuffs, like I said, I would have done that automatically. It has nothing to do with what was said back and forth up until now, it's just the fact that I'm going to have to search this vehicle. I just inhaled something. Then I'm going to have to search this vehicle.
Speaker 2:At least you admitted that you inhaled yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, I did not inhale, yeah, so let's see where this goes.
Speaker 8:I'll oblige you on that. Hey, don't reach for anything. Do you understand that? Drop what you got in your hands. No, I'm videotaping this shit.
Speaker 1:Okay, he said no, I'm videotaping this shit he wanted and that's not a reasonable request. You're asking a guy to drop their phone. My phone costs like 1200 bucks. Yep, I'm not dropping my phone. Put on the hood. Put it on the hood, whatever it is, take it out of his hand. So the fact that he's taking him down here, based on what we see, I don't like this um. Based on what we see, I don't like this Um based on what we see. Now, caveat, if he tensed up and we didn't, we can't see that necessarily. So there may have been something that he felt and he's like oh shit, this guy's about to turn on me, but I didn't see any indicators of that.
Speaker 3:We also don't know, like you said before, the total situation. The trooper could know something about this guy and he's using the roach as a ploy to get in the car or as a way to get in the car. Um, but can you?
Speaker 1:elaborate, elaborate on that, because that's a good teaching point for people that don't understand what you mean yeah.
Speaker 3:So I mean, this guy could have a warrant. This car could have something else in the car that he knows about. It could have been used in another crime and he's using the roach as a method to put those people under arrest. Get the situation under control before he starts investigating in order to not ass up the suspects or things like that I like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely okay. What's uh banny, you got anything to add? You want me to keep going?
Speaker 2:no, I mean, the whole point is is, you know, are you allowed to have a pretextual stop? And you are, and that that's something that we don't know of what's going on here. You know, the officer may have more information than what we're hearing right now.
Speaker 1:Yep Centurion Tactical. Eric's flexing. He has an Apple $1,200. Get an Android. No, I'm an adult and I'm not trying to rage against the machine and be some sort of you, uh, anti, um, authoritarian, you know. Whatever you want to call it, you're basically being a little teenager that's rebelling when you don't have an apple I'm a rebellious, I'm a pixel guy there's always, there's always one of them always one of them.
Speaker 3:I stand with you, centurion I'll actually get.
Speaker 1:I'm down with the pixel, the pixels, but when you go android, you just you're, you're doing that out of being you know. It's like being a michigan state fan when michigan's been there, like you're only a michigan state fan to to rebel, and I don't like that. Be an adult, get an iphone. So, oh, alan chimed in alan. I said alan, he, alan, he's on, he's finally in. What's up? Al, all right, let's keep going with this video. You're under arrest. Get on the ground. You're under arrest.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's already got the taser out, jesus. Okay, I don't like that either. You took him down to the ground, yeah.
Speaker 2:Why did you let go of control? Yeah, yeah, stayed on him. If you got something to maintain, maintain.
Speaker 1:Don't back off and escalate yeah, yeah, I mean, that's really what he did. Um, now me thinking you know, I'm trying to think from all different angles here. If they're because he's in the passenger seat, if the driver, there may have been multiple passengers, we don't know, that are standing or sitting and he hasn't got them all cuffed.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so he's trying to create distance and he knows he can't go hands-on because these other guys may jump in. He's trying to keep distance and watch them at the same time. Maybe, I don't know. So that's a possibility. So let's keep going. He missed, apparently that's a possibility, so let's keep going. A what A miss. Apparently we're getting out. We got good NMI, get on the ground. We're going to get it again.
Speaker 8:Get on the ground. I'm on the ground. You're going to get it again. Lay on your belly. I'm on the ground. Lay on your belly.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, as he's giving the commands, he told him to get on the ground. He told him to get on his belly. He's getting on his belly, so he's listening. I I could care less about what's being said. I care about are you listening to the, to the direction, and are you following those? And he's doing what he's told. So we're getting you know him being listening lay on your belly. Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind bro you didn't even give him a chance to put his hands behind his back.
Speaker 3:Chill.
Speaker 1:You didn't even give him a chance. I don't. Am I wrong? Am I the only?
Speaker 2:You're not wrong. I mean, this is the whole thing. You've tasered him once Go in there and take your whole friggin' situation if you're, whatever you're arresting him for and friggin' put him in cuffs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only thing that I feel like he didn't really listen to was dropping his phone.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which I understand. That's not a reasonable request, not at the time, like I don't like this. Hide your back, he can't. Like, I don't like this. He can't. You're taking it. He had him in NMI. You're yelling at him to put his hands behind his back. He physically can't do it at that moment. So now you got to let it off and then you have to give commands. You have to give a chance for him to do what you're asking him to do Put your hands, do your back.
Speaker 8:Okay, put your hands behind your back, holy shit. Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back mobility issues.
Speaker 1:Anyway, like I, I'm not a, it's a body language thing. He's he's gotten some mobility issues. You can see it.
Speaker 2:Let's start at the beginning of this. He's the passenger, correct? Yes, you want me to go back? No, I believe it. I saw that when we first saw it. But he's the frigging passenger. Your driver is obviously complying in a different location and other deputies or officers are dealing with that. Now you want the passenger and I don't know the information this officer deputy or Smuckatelli, whatever he is has. But why are we continuously electrocuting? Why are we continuously throwing that flow? He says he can't Follow-up question. Sir, why can you not put your hands behind your back? Well, I have this, this and this outstanding. Can you put your hands in front of you and let me, let me at least attain you there, and then now we can have a conversation. You know, and I'm trying to play devil's advocate on this man, but this just does not look a okay to me and I'm just, I'm trying to be open.
Speaker 1:It's really hard to be open on this. Yep, uh, I just it's the, the. Yeah, all right, let's, let's keep going put your hand behind your back.
Speaker 8:What the fuck is your deal, man? Put your hand behind your back, dude, you're gonna get lit up again, again, all the way behind your back, so okay.
Speaker 1:So there's some he's telling him I can't like they're behind my back, I just can't get them any farther. He's got some mobility issues. Um, in in the level of ampness that this guy is, I don't see. He didn't attack you. Why are you so amped up? He's not actively digging right now. I get it his hands were up under him, but that was more of a defensive posture and and uh, I'm not. That's where I don't want a monday morning quarterback the officer, because I can't. I don't know what his perception of what he was seeing was, but him having his hands up under his chest is not indicative to me that he's digging for something. It's a holy shit. I don't know what the fuck to do.
Speaker 8:So all the way, don't move, don't move. I'm not moving. Don't you move, bud, I'm not. What the fuck man? I didn't do nothing. You're under arrest. I've already told you that, but I'm not.
Speaker 7:You're under arrest. I've already told you that once I didn't do nothing.
Speaker 1:Five, let me tell bad, that's 65 65, now I got one detained and one of the bag all right, so I'm gonna read the description now that we've seen all that. Um, let's see. A kentucky construction worker is suing state trooper who allegedly tased mace and arrested him in 2024 over a seatbelt violation. Dawson Blevins, as a passenger vehicle, claims the situation escalated rapidly when the trooper exit the car. Blevins said he attempted to record the encounter on his phone, prompting Wright to declare him under arrest and forcibly throw him to the ground, which we saw. That Blevins was tased repeatedly and eventually sprayed with mace while lying prone. He was not lying prone Prone means arms out. Attorneys say he suffered spinal fractures during the arrest and was jailed for months before all charges were dismissed earlier this year. Holy shit, that's a big statement.
Speaker 2:That's a huge statement, man. Yeah, that means the DA, the intake DA. They're all looking at this and they're watching the video over and over and over again and they're like, fuck, we got to know. What does the internal affairs complaint reveal? You know, that's the next step. Where is this going? Just so people understand Now, the department's clamoring of shit that one of our pupils do something wrong and where's our investigation into this? And that's where these go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it says. The lawsuit against Wright comes just months after his federal indictment for multiple unrelated excessive force cases spanning four years. So this guy's got a history. Body cam footage from Blevins arrest now public shows Wright deploying his taser while giving commands Blevins physically could not follow, including ordering him to put his hands behind his back while being shocked and immobilized, which we pointed out. And none of us have seen this video. I didn't see this. So the lawsuit also accuses Wright of fabricating details in his arrest report to justify the use of force.
Speaker 1:Wright was indicted earlier in 2025 by a federal grand jury in Louisville for beating and tasing multiple people from 2020 to 2024. Damn, that's what we still account for. Sorry war. Damn, that was a cop for. Sorry. Despite previous allegations of ms connick, right was once honored as trooper of the year in 2021. He remained suspended as both a federal case and blevins lawsuit moved forward. Holy shit, okay, so we weren't that far off, guys. Uh, let's go over. Let's go to the comments. Let's see what people are seeing. Uh, cops should be fired. Clearly he's a hothead abusing his position. If you let this like it's, I don't think he should just be fired.
Speaker 2:He needs to be charged yeah yeah, that is a charge and it was egregious you know, and I and I love cops, I love people, but when you see stuff like this man, yeah, shit.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, I agree. Cody said I called it Should have been immediately fired after I did an investigation into a situation. Steve Ladner, we've investigated ourselves to find no wrongdoing.
Speaker 2:Too funny and I understand Steve's point on that. There's a lot of times that I've seen, from beginning to end to where I looked over stuff, and stuff is not combed properly, is not released to the public properly, and then we have people like Long Island Audit people coming out there and they're showing the entire thing to the public. I'm like, hey, we have issues with this and that is cleaning things up, regardless of what cops are watching this thing, and all these guys are just out there to know. If you look at the totality of the circumstance, of what they're doing, and their mission being out here is to show the totality. They're showing the entire piece.
Speaker 2:It's not what whatever department wants you to see or an officer wants you to see or a suspect wants you to see. It's the totality and that's what people don't understand. And it's still less than 1%, which is too much, of people screwing up out there. And there's so many good cops out there, but the ones that are being caught doing garbage like this, garbage like the first video that was shown hey, bring them all to a building. I'll come, we'll have a party, we'll talk about it, we'll have a serious conversation and make sure it's in international waters. I'm kidding, little humor.
Speaker 1:Little humor, all right, let's go to the next video. Again, this is from Police Activity, so shout out to them, give credit where credit's due. Share the screen Boom. All right, I have seen this one, so I'm going to put that out there. I've seen this one Biggie, size it. I think Banning sent me this, actually.
Speaker 2:You know what I did, because this reminds me of Patrol that guy, all right let's go but you don't live here, right, huh well I haven't lived here for a while.
Speaker 5:We all right?
Speaker 7:well, unfortunately you have warrants for your arrest. I need to turn around, put your hands behind your back okay, I like this.
Speaker 1:this is how we started out. We let him know hey, got warrants, I need you to put your hands behind your back. I would have asked him to come outside and talk to me. I'm not going to tell him that inside of a home, that's just me. Jared, how would you handle it?
Speaker 3:So I would have done the same thing, but I would have cheated, and as he's walking out, I would have grabbed onto him, just because he is contained.
Speaker 1:Yes, I, I would have liked to get, you know, grab a hold of the elbow, maybe a wrist, whatever it is, escort him out as we. We get him, but I need to get him away from the hall. I need to get him away from everything else, but if he's gonna go anywhere, he's gonna go sprinting out the front door, so that that's what I would prefer. Um, I love when banning's green screen goes out every time, man, I'll be right back.
Speaker 2:Y'all go ahead.
Speaker 1:I've seen this yeah, you know what I? I think it is banning, I think it's his, I think it's his video card. I think what happens is he's running that green yeah I just can't pry. He doesn't have a good graphic cards, all it is so um.
Speaker 3:But it's hard to maintain that red beard against the green wall I know right for what?
Speaker 8:what am I turning around for right? For what? What are my warrants for? Turn around, they're for local warrants. Turn around, I don't have any warrants. I want you to tell me what they're for, sure.
Speaker 1:You don't have a real like. There's no legal obligation for a cop to tell you exactly what your warrants are for. All he's got to tell you is that you have warrants and that you're. It's just the way it goes. Spring banning back here, so fight indicators are on already. This guy, he's not listening. He turned.
Speaker 2:I can't hear you, I'm coming back in.
Speaker 1:He's trying to get everything going, but this is a pre-indicator that this dude intends to fight and resist.
Speaker 8:Turn around and put your hands down, tell me what they're for. Taser, taser, taser, turn around.
Speaker 5:Taser if you want to Turn around and put your hands down. Taser if you want to Turn around and put your hands down.
Speaker 8:You're not in my house. Turn around and put your hands down Now.
Speaker 1:I'm not a big fan of him going to the tas and threatening, because that's really what he just did.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you know the cop had control. Now he doesn't have control.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, he let go of the wrist. Um, so I don't. I, I think, to keep things calmer, I would have kept control and not jumped into the uh, taser, taser, taser part. Yet I would have my taser ready, I would have had it out, but your job as the second guy is to keep your mouth shut. Yeah, so I think that may have amped things up a little bit.
Speaker 8:Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back. You're going to get tasered.
Speaker 1:He said the magic words I'm not going to. They told him several times put your hands behind your back. He said I'm not going to, so it's off with me. Now I'm going hands-on. I'm telling you guys, right now I'm already going hands-on, I'm bum-rushing. So that's my style. I would have bum-rushed him right here. When you tell me you're not going to do it, I'm done playing and I've explained this before If you handle business right now, it prevents a higher use of force later. Where you end up struggling, this guy ends up running into a room grabbing a weapon and now we end up having to shoot him because we hesitated him, hauled around and tried to do this deescalation bullshit too long. I don't mind deescalation, but you got to know where to draw the line. This guy said I'm not doing it and he drew the line for me. So it's over with Jared. What do you think?
Speaker 3:Yeah, same thing. And if you guys can look at those two laser dots on them, kind of setting up yourself for failure because your spread's not very good, even if you are going to tase them. Yep, so take that into consideration, yeah of consideration.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not a good enough spread. You need one below the hip and one above the hip.
Speaker 2:guys 21 years as a patrol officer okay, out there on the street every day with my guys, even all the way up into administration, and I've never deployed probes into somebody. I have always gotten that and that's just banning. I mean, that's just the way I do things. When somebody says you know, acorn Magdum says it's grapple time, I know what's going to happen when I grab somebody. I know the outcome and I've seen portions of this video. I've never seen all the way through it. I've seen portions of it and I sent it to Eric and I'm like that was me on patrol Because I knew when I got my arms around somebody they're going to get hurt less and we're going to take them to the ground to get hurt less. And we're going to take them to the ground, we're going to get them handcuffed and we're going to bring them for due process period.
Speaker 3:Well, you're probably impact pushing him through the drywall, so I've done that a few times.
Speaker 2:Um, I've been to calls where I found people in a drywall, so a big guy dealt with them before I got there. So I completely have. Have I gone through walls, unfortunately? Yes, that's not to say anything on size or anything like that. They started the momentum and I finished it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like having a bull in a china shop. Is that the old saying? All right, keep going, yeah, yeah, okay, we're pushing them back into rooms. Never a good strategy, but I understand. It just goes that way sometimes when you're in a fight. If my partner's going hands-on, I'm going hands-on. The taser goes away, so I don't like this. This is too much dependence on our Batman belt here.
Speaker 8:You're going to kill me. I want to step it up. I need backup.
Speaker 1:No, you don't not yet one person.
Speaker 2:If you can't handle one person with two fucking people, get the fuck out of the profession. Yeah, like relax dude.
Speaker 1:Sorry, settle down like I don't understand this. Need to jump, okay, if you got an opportunity to jump on the radio, yeah, hey, we're fighting. I need more Relax. Act like you've been there before. Do the Barry Sanders.
Speaker 3:And now what you just did, even though that situation is controllable. Now you've got your whole squad assed up and they're all running code.
Speaker 1:Because they just got amped up, because you were amped up. That's why maintaining radio discipline is so important and being able to get on there and being calmed and controlled. When I'm in a fight, I get on there. Hey, he's fighting me. I need some more people. Literally, we're fighting, I need more people and they'll get there, but they're going to get there a lot calmer. Oh shit, levine's fighting somebody. He's calling, we've got to get there.
Speaker 3:And your squad knows too, if you're asking for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, yes, powerbomb, that was the banning move right there. That deserves a replay, let's go back done now in the custody man.
Speaker 2:Take me, bring for judge and jury.
Speaker 1:That's, that's your job yep, I like how one officer handled it. I don't like how the other officer handled it, but I don't like how one officer amped it up and the other one was trying to keep it calm. They they kind of flip flopped on that, so but one was about. That's what I'm talking about when I tell you guys to handle business. That's exactly what I mean. Sometimes you earn your paycheck and that's what he did. He went in, got hands on, he took them to the ground and they got them in cuffs. That was it. That was it. Now he got probed a bunch. That sucks. But that's man, just. It's just the nature of the game. And this guy asked for it, told him, put his hands behind his back. They tried to make it peaceful. He said no, you're not doing it to me. So, um, how did? Mr Billfold said how did this escalate when there was a point where he willingly put his hands behind his back? This officer should have closed and subdued him before all that happened.
Speaker 2:Exactly, 100%, 100%. Thank you for noticing this. Without law enforcement training, yeah, for whatever training that we go through. Thank you for noticing that. Absolutely, absolutely. When he failed to comply even the guy that I say, hey, that's what I used to do on patrol both of them should have closed the gap, stopped the physical movement and taken him into custody period.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I've had recruits ask me before. They're like how do I know If I'm going to arrest somebody? How do I know? I'm afraid to be like. They've told me before I'm worried I'm going to get caught off guard. How do I prevent myself from being caught off guard? And I've always told my guys, when you grab, when you are making contact, you're getting that connection. As you're going to get connection, that's one, that's the most likely time they're going to fight. And two, you should always be thinking when I go to grab him, I wish a motherfucker would. I wish he would do something stupid. And that's not because you want to fight, it's to keep you ready. For if they do fight, you are ready to go. You're not caught off guard because you're expecting them to fight and when they don't, you're surprised oh okay, shit, he didn't fight me. Cool, I got the cuffs on. But the moment he starts to pull away, just like Mr Belfold said, he's already on the ground. Because I wish a motherfucker would, I'm ready.
Speaker 2:Close that distance. And everybody's like oh man, that's cruel, You're getting less people hurt. Close that distance, Stop that movement, Get him in hand restraintsuffs whatever you want to call it, and stop it, stop it yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the first wrist. He's going into the wall. My entire body's pinning him against that wall and I'm grabbing his other wrist yeah, no, uh yeah, it just depends.
Speaker 1:I'm probably not grabbing the other wrist for me personally, I'm going for a foot sweep dump, so I'm gonna pin and drop um. Because if you're gonna fight, I'm not cuffing you standing um, so I'm gonna get them to the ground. But that's just me. Everybody teach their own um. Brand r 86 said do you think if they elaborate on the warrant, it could de-escalate, or this rule of thumb they all run depends on the person. Depends on the person I I honestly got the vibe from this guy. He he's going to fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's fighting. He didn't want to go to jail.
Speaker 2:That could have been a parking ticket, that could have been a handicapped parking spot and it was a class C what we call in Texas a very low level misdemeanor. And he's going to go spend 30 minutes in jail and get bonded out and go pay $150 to $500, fine and be done. And a person like this is so. He's wired, he's going, he's this and this and this, and our job is to bring him there peacefully. And unfortunately, that officer that was standing by the door had to grab him and put him down.
Speaker 2:The taser did not have a good point, it did not. No, everything went wrong on that. And if you count the time, and I haven't done. And for the, if you count the time and I haven't done it yet, if you count the time and when that taser was deployed, the hallway scuffle to the point to where big boy puts the, the, the bad guy, down on the ground. Suspect subject, whatever you want to call it. Uh, it's not very long, it's, it's less than 15 seconds, yeah, you know. And this stuff happens and unravels so damn fast and we have to make decisions many peace officers really quick to stop that movement so nobody else gets hurt, including other people in the house.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you can tell too. He had something on board, whether it's drugs or alcohol or something he was. He was sweating, his eyes were all crazy. So you also have to take that into consideration too, because, depending upon your taser or you know your control techniques, he might not feel it.
Speaker 1:He looked a little. If I were to guess and say he looked a little messed up, that to me that was the that's, that would be my guess and twitchy, sweating, his eyes throw up show me on its third one, down from the top.
Speaker 2:He just put this comment out there, and this is important. So how did we come and contact him? Was it a warrant service? So what was our legal reason to be there? And you know what? Show me audits. I wish I would have looked into this more. What was their legal reason to be there? It could have been family violence. It could have been. Hey, johnny Schmuckatelli was there and he's got an active warrant. Go pick him up and bring him before the courts. I hope that they have legal bearing to be there. And if they had legal bearing the reason to be there, they're good. If they didn't, if this is a witch hunt and they're driving down the road and they're Crown Vic or Explorer or whatever it is, and they're like you know what that brown and white house over there looks, great, let's go knock on the door and see if somebody has a warrant that that doesn't. That doesn't happen. And and the real trained law enforcement. But tell me, you know, eric, am I going down the right path with this? I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1:I actually pulled up and pasted in the comments, but it said more Oklahoma. On June 5th 2025, more police officers responded to a house where a man identified as Jason a dispute of property or something like that, because that guy did kind of act like he's been in there before. But either way, you got a person that's not supposed to be in there, according to the homeowner, and that gives you justification and your RAS for continuing the investigation and to identify the person. So now we've got a reason to identify him through identifying him, we've got the warrants. Now that we've got a reason to identify him Through identifying him, we've got the warrants. Now that we've got the warrants, you're under arrest. It writes itself. That's how I see that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it said that he used to live there like a couple years ago, and he broke in.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay. So yeah, that goes more into him being high.
Speaker 2:And this makes me want to talk to Mr Billfold in person more, either on the phone or on LinkedIn. You know he says something about Paris Island, schmuckatellis. This is a big Marine Corps comment and I love that. This was something our drill instructors used to carve into us in basic training. I went in back in 97 and anytime I you know if it slips out of my frigging my mouth when I'm talking schmuckatellis. That's exactly what Mr Belfort was talking about. It's just military training in the Marine Corps on the East Coast.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep and Show Me.
Speaker 1:Audit said never fight. Suspect loses every time. And I agree, man, if you're going to fight, fight in court. That's the way to do it. Kill them with kindness. Do the Bugs Bunny. Approach everybody and I tell this especially like my auditors that go out there, because I've got some great auditors I love to follow. I got some that I hate because of just the way they do it. And it's again just because you can doesn't mean you should, and some of them are just such assholes and I'm just like I'm not an asshole to anybody. Don't go out and be an athlete. Golden rule Treat others how you want to be treated. So I get it.
Speaker 1:But in this one, the officers, I think, were well within their rights to each their own on how they handled it. I don't think they handled it wrong necessarily. It's just not how I would have done it. But yeah, that's. And for our audit shows that all watch tonight. Holy shit had fun for me. I hope you kind of got an idea how we run this stuff, what we're trying to do here. We're trying to educate. So that's what we do. We educate from a cop's perspective without trying to cop-splain, so we're trying to avoid being a cock Cock.
Speaker 3:That too.
Speaker 1:We're trying to avoid being cocks. We're trying to avoid being a cop. Echo chamber that's another part that we're trying to do. We like to sip a little booze with you guys, have some fun bullshit. But we highlight when the cops do good stuff. But we also highlight when the cops do the bad and we try to learn from every encounter. Even when cops do good, we're trying to teach other cops out there like's a good example how to do stuff when the cops do bad. Here's a bad example. Here's why. Here's why they're wrong. And then some of them are just on the edge. They're like it could be wrong, could be right. I will tell you my opinion, but it doesn't mean I'm right. So, uh, what do we? Got here two cops, one on it, there are bad ones out there. It sucks to say, uh, but there are some auditors that go about it the wrong way and your stuff is very good. Hey, I appreciate it bro.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that very much.
Speaker 1:Yep, we've got a pretty nice size network going on. We're trying to embrace a little bit of difference in policing all around. Banning, you guys might not know, was a city cop and a deputy, so he also did deputy work in rural areas where he had to fight bulls and cartels and stuff like that. Uh, jared's one of our newest members. He was a dual jurisdiction on a reservation so he had fed creds and uh and state creds. What was it? City credit, state and travel yeah, oh yeah, three I keep. I'm underselling you, buddy.
Speaker 2:And I got to be a part of, you know, three letter federal organizations as task force stuff. So I got to see that the federal, the state, the local and the County all within my peace officer career. So I got to see them all you know. Is there anything that's better than the other? No, there's. There's a lot of great people and there's a lot of bad people and we just try to peel off a little bit of everything and and show it to you.
Speaker 1:All of what we've seen, yep, um. Mr Bill Fultz said honestly, you guys need to go hands on with your fellow officers in training more often. Too many seem unsure of what to do when they are within one arm's distance. That is dangerous for everybody. I can't speak for every place, but where I'm at we literally we go pre fatigue you, we make you get exhausted through hit training. Then you go into a ring with a grappler so we'll make you roll for your life for three minutes where we're just making you pay to show you how dangerous it is on the ground and what a person that knows what they're doing can do to you.
Speaker 1:So that's the wake-up call. We take you into deep waters and we drown you basically is the way we like to describe it. And then we strap you up, put some boxing gloves on you. You've got to fight a fellow recruit in your class that's the same size and stuff, and then you've got to fight an instructor. And the whole point of that is not to make. We're not there to punish you. We're there to show you where your limits are, how vulnerable you can be and where those are at for yourself, cause it's a real self assessment and that you're not going to break just because you got hit.
Speaker 1:So that that's. We're trying to show you that we're not in the instructors that are in there fighting with you. They're more controlled and when you watch the video you realize they weren't. They weren't in there just destroying you. They were actually picking their shots. You were just so exhausted and out of it. It seemed like you were fighting for your life and that is what we do. That's part of it. That's just, and that's in the first two weeks of the Academy, jared, did you guys do the same thing?
Speaker 3:Yeah, in the Academy it's harder when you're on the force and you've been on for a while, because that's when everyone gets hurt. You know torn meniscus, rotator cuffs. So once you've been on for a long time it's harder to get those trainings, just because you know you are an older guy sometimes and you do blow out shoulders a lot easier. But in the Academy, yeah, you are getting your ass handed to you. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I had a lot of experiences in the Academy and the Marine Corps and and basic training in Parris Island, south Carolina. I went through a lot of things and then I got back into the civilian world and got it, got into law enforcement and I went through what's called Tarrant County uh police officer Academy and we we had uh defensive tactics coming up and our unfortunately, our our what they call it the red suit guy. The main instructor, red man, you know, had a fricking heart attack a couple hours prior to our show. So our uh attack a couple hours prior to our show. So our police academy coordinator came in and said Banning, you're the sergeant of arms of the class. We brought in another expert and you are going to be the guy in the red guy suit. So my academy was, I was the guy in the red suit and I had to go against everybody that was in the class and the guy that was originally supposed to be our red suit guy had huge legs.
Speaker 2:I don't know if he squatted, you know three 4,000 pounds for a start. But you know, I put all the stuff on and we were there and every time I had a new academy kid come up to me. We're just going by the book, what you know, what it was there and, and every time they came down for what's called a common perennial strike, my leg guard would slip down to my ankle and it was a real common perennial you want to talk about.
Speaker 2:So you know after that we went straight into the firing range, which I got the top gun award for my, my specific class. However, I was handicapped as a MFR and had nothing to do with the Marine Corps. It had nothing to do with my academy, it was. I'm bruised from my kneecap up to my hip and I'm sure there was a lot more going on in there, but I got up every morning. I could barely. I'm glad we were able to get through that training. I was glad I was able to provide my body for these people to strike when they needed to.
Speaker 2:But, holy shit, these people that used to do red man suits prior to the thing prior to these suits. I got to go through that in 2002. I didn't have the proper padding so I went home and I literally, once I sat down, the girl I was dating at the time had to pull me up from the couch every time. Literally, it was like I went to leg day and squatted a house 50 times and I couldn't even get up. I was one of those guys that had to be lifted off the toilet for three days because I got destroyed from 30 people in my academy. One of them was on here earlier. His name is Matthew Roberts great guy. He's now an injured police officer and retired. He was also an Army MP, but to go through that man was amazing.
Speaker 1:It was a learning experience for sure. I want to get to Cody's comment here. Do you think women should deal with men going hands on with them? Because I've seen a lot of times where the women let suspects get away because they can't handle the situation. Guy or girl, I don't care, the job's the same all around. So if you're a guy and they can't handle the situation, guy or girl, I don't care, the job's the same all around. So if you're a guy and you can't do it, or if you're a girl and you can't do it, you have no business on this job. And what I like to do, what we have done in the past where I am at, is we bring a hunt. I know a black belt in jujitsu. She's 120 pounds, soaking wet. We put her against the biggest person in the academy and in that recruit class and she manhandles them for three minutes I gotta come watch that because that's awesome yeah, and you watch all of their eyes open up and realize the power of grappling.
Speaker 1:So, um, that that's what we do. That's, it's just one of the ways of training them. But I saw somebody talking about baiting or something. I saw they were getting into it in the comments. I don't know what we're referring to. I saw Fletch say the baiting claim is bullshit. What are we talking about? The cop supporters always claim that the baiting bullshit, yet it is okay to have bait cars and other stings. What are we talking about? Elaborate.
Speaker 2:You know from what Tim's saying. I just know from working with other agencies. Yes, they did have a lot of what's called quote unquote bait trailers and stuff like that on different highways and people would pull up and they would snatch that right on there. It's got GPS activation. As soon as it rolls you know five inches, it notifies dispatch and they're like hey, the trailer's on the move. They get into a pursuit where the guy stops or gal stops, and now it's a. You're in possession of a stolen trailer. What does it belong to? Whatever County, usa and and they and they file a case. I don't know if that is what Tim is talking about, but I've been on those outings and I've watched the videos and I've seen the GPS and it's literally a trailer sitting off the highway in the emergency lane I call it the old crap lane on the right and you got a flat tire or whatever. You pull over there and they drop their trailer because they have to go do something.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I think that's what Tim may be talking about no, no, no, they're not.
Speaker 1:They're not. They're talking about when the auditors bait, when you get like the police and those guys that come out and they're just dicks like right off the gate you know, telling cops, go do your fucking job, come here, good boy, and doing all that shit. They're talking about not being able to be. They're talking about not being able to be or. You shouldn't be baited by that and I agree I don't get baited by it. It's just annoying. That's my, it's my.
Speaker 2:I can say this confidently they're they're assholes for doing that. But I want, when I'm wearing a shoulder patch and I'm out there being paid by the, the taxpayer, and doing stuff, it doesn't bother me. I know you have, I know Jared has. We've been called everything out of the sun. You know, and if you have your wits about you and nothing you know, that's not going to bother us, unfortunately there are some people that it gets to, it should, and we've all had bad days too.
Speaker 1:That's that's another thing. That's the sucky side of this job is we're supposed to take off the human emotion side of things and sometimes you just can't do it. I've been victim of that myself. I have been on a dead baby call and this was well before a lot of the PTSD stuff. Really, support was really trying to get out there. And then the next call is Margaret's bitching that the neighbor's garbage cans on her side of the driveway again, and you get out there and they're accusing you of not taking their call seriously and you just want to fucking snap. So and then the next thing you got is you got an auditor in your face and trying to to pick at you and all you can think about was that last call. So I on the human side of things, I see that that can be. So I tell officers like you need to know you, we need to be able to. A good supervisor is going to know if you just got off a bad call.
Speaker 3:I need my guy either to go sit at the shop or go home one of the two, I mean, I'll tell you the hardest thing I ever had in my career was one of my best friends was ambushed and killed in front of me. I was the next shot. Luckily his rifle jammed and it didn't get me. He got away with that night and two weeks later he's in the back of my patrol, car arrested, telling me how happy it was that my buddy was dead. So, I can tell you self-control.
Speaker 1:It's tough, yeah, shit. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, I, I don't even know how I would bravo for acting, not acting on human instinct.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean that one took everything in me to the point where even the, the defense attorney later after court for the suspect came up to me and shook my hand and uh said it was like the most professional thing he's ever seen because he wouldn't be able to do it himself damn yeah and I give a lot of credit to defense attorneys.
Speaker 1:I know cops. Culturally speaking, we don't really care for defense attorneys because we feel like they're defending known shitheads and a lot of times they are, but that is the peak of the ultimate professional. Everybody is entitled to a defense and you got to find somebody that's able to separate that. And it's the same for doctors. Doctors work on, you know, anybody doesn't matter if they're bringing in a guy that just was part of an active shooter and the cop shot him, they're going to try to save their life and and they're not going to shortchange it. So, yeah, yeah, that's crazy, um, but yeah, as far as getting baited, um, I'm with you guys, like you shouldn't and, uh, like banning says, I have, I don't care, I'm not I actually I make it into a game yeah, most of the time, if you guys say something that we haven't heard before, we laugh at it.
Speaker 3:It's like oh, you're gonna hear that one, yeah, I, I, before we laugh at it.
Speaker 2:It's like oh, you're going to hear that one. Yeah, I, I have been called so many things but I've also, you know, when you, when you take those negative connotations of what you've been called in uniform, I've been called so many good things that completely outweigh of of somebody's negativity. So it's like when somebody was saying something negative, I knew for that fact that it wasn't for my actions right there in front of them. It was because of an encounter that they had and I usually would start off with the same man or woman. You know, I'm so sorry you feel this way. Would you like to talk about it? No, you guys are a piece. I'm sorry. You feel that way. I'm sorry for whatever happened to you happened and you have these things. But if you need anything, here's my card and that's. That's just the way you know, because a lot of these people are upset at the badge of what happened to them in the previous, or a family member or a friend, and they're, they're taking that hatred. I get it.
Speaker 2:As a Marine I was very upset of what happened overseas to a lot of my friends that if I want to go talk to them it's at a gravesite. I'm upset. But if I see somebody from the same region in our country living the life of freedom in the United States. I don't go and take it out, but that's just the way I was raised. It's not their fault that their person or their friend or whatever. I don't get upset at that. It's just I was raised differently. So it's not the fault of these people because of how they're raised. Let them say whatever they want to say. That's what's great about America. Let them get it out. What did our parents tell us? Sticks and stones may break my bones, you know, but let let them say their shit. Man, it doesn't bother me, I don't give a shit.
Speaker 3:You want to call me whatever pig, it is what it is yeah, I know, I know we got to wrap up, but thank you guys for your comments.
Speaker 1:I appreciate, I really appreciate that yep, um, cody, high roller, said, and again, cody's a, he does the first amendment, audits and stuff like that. But he said my approach is I keep it respectful until I'm being disrespected or I feel as though the person is being harassed. Like the time we got pulled over and the cop was taunting me first led to an argument and, like I said, cody kind of somewhat audited me, so it was cool, I had no problem, we had a good conversation. Like I said so yeah, I, it was cool, I had no problem, we had a good conversation. Like I said so yeah, I, I can uh talk to that. But, um, show me the audit said okay, real talk to cops when donuts?
Speaker 1:Uh, what's with the addiction to ID? It's crack baby, that's what it is. Why is it one of the first things cops say I need your ID. Um, it, it. That's a bigger discussion for a later time. We've covered that a lot on here. Um, show me the audits, if you can uh message any of our social media platforms, I prefer Instagram If you could find us at two cops, one donut. Um, cause, I'd like to. I'd like to get you on the show, I'd like to have you and we can discuss that stuff. That's part of the fun with our platform is we want guys like you on here so we can have these discussions and we'll get you on the next live and we'll talk about that stuff, if you're down and I'm going to give Steve some credit here, and I know I've made some comments in the past.
Speaker 2:Hey, don't put his comment. Here's the deal. I think he only put it up once tonight, the self-proclaimed whatever. I think steve is seeing that our group or our panel that we have here is not for the thin blue line or the whatever you want to. You know, state it, as we're not an echo chamber for the long. You know, we're an echo chamber for human, human beings on earth. That's. That's the only echo chamber we are. If you're done wrong, we're going to. If you're done wrong, we're going to highlight it. If you're done right, we're going to highlight it. So, steve, I know you and I don't know each other. We're not connected, we're not buddies. Would I drink a beer in a bar with you? Absolutely, because you're a human being, but for you not to go off on those tonight? I appreciate you for doing that.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely. Yeah, we're. We're over the three hour mark. We like to try to stay at least under the three. So we we've busted way over. Um, so I appreciate everybody. I mean we still got at least 40 people showing right now. That's a large classroom in my opinion. So just the fact that we kept your guys's curiosity this long is is a testament to what we got going on. So we thank you.
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Speaker 1:Thank you very much. Thank you, police activity. Thank you, police Activity. Thank you to the Oath what was his name? Again Forgetting that. That's twice. I've done that tonight.
Speaker 2:I can't remember it either. Great channel though.
Speaker 1:I know Good channel, I know we've used it before. I'm just all of a sudden. Honor your oath, that's what it is. Honor your oath. That's a bad name, I can't remember it. Honor your oath, that's what it is. Honor your oath, that is Honor your oath. Yeah, why can't I remember? That's a bad name, I can't remember it. Honor your oath. So remember that one. And yeah, everybody else, thanks for being on tonight. Thank you for all the discussions and the chats. Thank you to my mom for being on tonight. You guys got anything.
Speaker 2:Anything going on. Jared, love your mom. Man, love to see that connection.
Speaker 1:Love to see her on here every freaking week. It's freaking awesome appreciate it.
Speaker 3:Brother jared, you got anything? Uh, no, I don't think so all right, I'm gonna end this.
Speaker 1:You two stick around. Everybody else, thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 6:Take it easy appreciate it y'all.
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