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Two Cops One Donut
Sean Paul Reyes “Long Island Audit” shows what accountability in policing really looks like
In a groundbreaking conversation that bridges the gap between constitutional activism and law enforcement, Sean Paul Reyes (Long Island Audit) joins active police officers to explore the complex dynamics of First Amendment auditing and police accountability.
Sean reveals his philosophy behind conducting "audits" – filming in public spaces to test officials' respect for constitutional rights – and shares how his approach of professionalism and de-escalation has earned him both millions of followers and unprecedented opportunities to train police departments across America.
The officers candidly discuss the ego problem plaguing law enforcement and acknowledge how Sean's work exposes critical training gaps. Most striking is Sean's revelation that despite being arrested 11 times during his audits, he's beaten every criminal charge – a powerful testament to the legality of his activities.
This conversation tackles qualified immunity, police training deficiencies, and the importance of humanizing both sides of these encounters. Sean emphasizes he's not anti-police but pro-accountability, while the officers acknowledge the need for higher standards within their profession.
What makes this episode unique is the mutual respect displayed despite differing perspectives. Rather than talking past each other, these individuals engage in the difficult dialogues necessary for meaningful reform. When Sean describes training sessions he's conducted with forward-thinking police departments, we glimpse a future where constitutional rights and effective policing aren't viewed as opposing forces.
Whether you're concerned about civil liberties, interested in law enforcement perspectives, or simply want to understand how these complex interactions shape our society, this conversation offers rare insights into how progress happens when both sides commit to honest dialogue and mutual understanding.
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Welcome to Two Cops One Donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guests opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language. Viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back to Cops 1 Donut. I am your host, eric Levine, and with me my co-hosts, detective Matt Thornton and Banning Sweatland. How's it going, guys? Good, good, good, Good good.
Speaker 1:And then our special guest today, Sean Paul Reyes, otherwise known as Long Island Audit. How are you, sir?
Speaker 3:Hey, how are you? Thanks for having me and thanks for everybody on my channel for coming too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say I want to put out there, just so everybody knows. If you are watching this on Sean's page, you're actually watching Two Cops, one Donut, and this is our show and Sean was nice enough to link to the channel so we can share our audience and everybody can can chop, uh chop it up together in the in the chat, um, and just so. You guys know, one of the things that we love about this show is the chat in itself. So please ask questions, do all that stuff, um, but I do want to put out some disclaimers.
Speaker 1:Uh, I am still a current cop, as well as Matt, so there are certain things that we just don't want to get fired for, and this podcast does definitely not make us independently wealthy. So we got, we got to do what we got to do. There's certain things we're just not going to be able to dig into. We will tell you when we can't and why. But, yeah, we want to try to be as open and transparent and have fun and answer questions and talk about, basically, sean tonight, our show.
Speaker 1:I want our audience to kind of understand Sean and everything. But before we do that, I'm going to try to pop the chat up and just see who's in the house. I know we got a lot of people from ours in the background today also supporting the show, as, uh, alan and dead leg from two cops, one donut. They are in the background trying to mitigate all of the chat and I told Sean that chat was going to go crazy, more than we're used to and can probably keep up with because already there's like 1100 people chatting away, sean. So it's going to be difficult. But let's get to our guest.
Speaker 3:Sean can you tell us who you are, what you do and what it is that has made you so popular? Oh, wow, so my name is Sean Paul Reyes. I run the channel Long Island Audit. I've been doing for four years now, basically conducting First Amendment audits. I cover matters of public interest when it comes to law enforcement. I do trainings with law enforcement agencies, district attorneys, offices.
Speaker 3:As far as what has made me grow, the way I've grown and throughout all my platforms, I think we have a little bit over 2 million subscribers, slash followers and about 50 million views every single month across all platforms maybe a little bit more than that.
Speaker 3:I would just say I how I got started is I used to watch first amendment auditing and I thought it could be done in a different way not necessarily better, but a different way. Um, I wanted to peacefully exercise my rights, use it, use it as an educational tool for law enforcement. I'm not anti-law enforcement in any way, or else I wouldn't be on this channel right now. I wouldn't be visiting and doing ride-alongs with police departments. That's not what it's about. I'm for law and order. I'm just about transparency and accountability in our government, specifically law enforcement, and I think my approach is why I've grown so much. It's all thanks to my supporters, my viewers, subscribers. They have supported me these last four years and I've gotten a bunch of opportunities because of it, and I'm just happy to, and very proud and humbled to be where I am today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and your style is honestly one of the things that we've highlighted several times on our show. Matt has made it a point several times to bring you up, talk about the way you handle things and stuff like that as well, and then obviously we use the connection through Matt to do that. So, matt, now you were probably one of the first supporters of Sean and what he does Can you kind of explain from your law enforcement point of view what it is you like about his auditing style?
Speaker 4:I remember watching just the basic education that he follows up with I mean, most auditors if you act correctly and honor your oath, there shouldn't be any issue whatsoever. But I seen sean like talk to people after the fact and even not even trying to jam them up, to embarrass them, just really just to explain and educate was his like main goal, and I was like okay, that's different. He's not just trying to put people on blast every time he goes out and I I think there's some very, very authentic conversations that he has with these officers. That's like wow, this is like a professor teaching people that should already know what he knows. It's embarrassing for us that he's got to explain this stuff, but it was so groundbreaking and respectful I was like man, this guy's different, yeah, and that's when.
Speaker 1:I just I got addicted. Yeah, absolutely. And for me, one of the things that I got so tired of seeing through Sean's pages, I'm like Jesus, like this is a bigger problem than I anticipated. Look at all the cops that keep calling for this and it's not like Sean's out there waiting and trapped, like they're just willing participants and they're coming up and they're you know, start going into that tirade of you know what are you doing over here? Let me see some ID. And Sean's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just filming, like what's the deal.
Speaker 1:And then we start getting into the first amendment stuff. So, sean, out of your strategies, what has what have you found works to get across to cops and what doesn't? Because what I tend to see with officers is the last thing that they want with their egos is going to be some civilian trying to explain the law to them, because they get paid to enforce the law. What do you know? Are you a lawyer? So you can take several different approaches. Like I know the law better than you, buddy or whatever worked for you the best.
Speaker 3:Yeah See, I always try and diminish my own knowledge. I am very fascinated by the law. I'm a student of the best. Yeah See, I always try and diminish my own knowledge. I am very fascinated by the law, I'm a student of the law. I have a bunch of attorneys who are friends of mine. You know doing what I do. I need to surround myself with attorneys and I have Jacob Uriel's, one of them, criminal defense attorney in Brooklyn, new York, and he actually is a former prosecutor. He has a wealth of knowledge. I've learned so much from him. He's kind of taken me under his wing.
Speaker 3:Basically, I try and utilize what law enforcement officers should realize de-escalation. I try and treat them like a human, not just somebody with a badge. Like you know, I do ask them for their name and badge number just because I think it's in every, for every encounter. I think it's important for public servants to identify themselves for members of the public. I don't know what's going to happen next. I want to know who this person is, so if it does something happen, I can hold them accountable. It's just like my first little test to say, hey, are you going to be professional or are you going to just be like my name's right here and, you know, give me attitude right off of the rip, because read it, I don't right, just read. Uh, some people can't read, right? Um, you know it's, it's about being professional. I try and de-escalate the situation. I try and keep my cool and and speak in an even tone. Don't raise my voice, don't use any profanities, don't try and criticize the officer off the rip. I will criticize an officer if he's doing things that you know I believe violate the constitution, I believe violate my, my rights. Uh, I will criticize them for that and I will bring it up. I have no qualms about doing that. But I try off just to start off with hey, let's do this. Let's start off. Hey, my name is sean. Um, as long as they identified themselves to me, I say my name is sean. Well, what's your, what's your last name, what's your address? That's too much me. Let's just move on with the conversation. That doesn't need. It's not going to help you in any way. I just want to keep the conversation as fluid as possible, explain exactly what I'm doing.
Speaker 3:I'm an independent journalist, I'm working on a story and for those of you who always ask what's the story, you've never published a story. I mean, they're all stories. They're all stories on how law enforcement and public servants react to a man peacefully exercising his first amendment right? That is the story. Just so for people who are confused and don't understand, that is the story. It's not another story that I'm working on sometimes it is. Sometimes it's a story that somebody has given me a tip for and then I go work on that story and I follow up on it, but most of of the time it's just me exercising my rights peacefully, and how do they react to that? And it's not just if they violate my rights or not, it's how professional.
Speaker 3:I always say you know, treat us with respect. That's one of the gauges, because I believe that law enforcement law enforcement, excuse me should have high standards, not low standards. And if, if, expecting law enforcement to have high standards is anti-law enforcement, I don't know what to tell you at that point. If any law enforcement out there can say high standards is a problem, accountability is a problem, transparency is a problem, respecting members of the public is a problem, then you're part of the problem, quite frankly. So I just try and keep my cool. There's really no strategies to it. I just try and be the man that my mother raised me to be uh, go out there and lead by example and act in a way that I feel proud of. That.
Speaker 3:I can watch the video back and not cringe. You know, I, when I first started off, I've had some videos where I was like, you know, maybe I could have said that better, maybe I shouldn't have said this. I'm looking back on it now. Or even my family members, they'll tell me you know, I don't really like the way you acted that way. And then, you know, some of my audience would be like you're too humble, you are too meek. You got to tell them you got to, you got to really get at them. And that's not the way I operate, you know, because a judge is going high when that video is being played and say I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't. Not only did I did do nothing illegal. I was completely professional throughout.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it kind of reminds me of you know in it OK, well, it's kind of cheesy to say it this way, but historically it's still accurate the movie with Mel Gibson, the Patriot. You remember the line when that general was chastising the other British commander and he said you know it's, he goes. It's not winning the war, it's the manner in which you win it, and I think that speaks a lot to the way that you conduct yourself while you're out there. And one of the things that I like and that we try to highlight with your videos, um, is you never, you never open the door. They do. You never open the door, they do. The cops that mess up with you. They seem to open that door. You asking somebody for their name and badge number if that triggers an egotistical response, you've already got them Emotionally. They're hijacked right away. They're no longer thinking logistically reasonably like they should, and Matt goes into that a lot. Matt, what is some of the things that you notice a lot in these types of videos where cops are screwing up?
Speaker 4:The ego. It's so easy, it's so simple that Sean is like the ego mirror he can tell in 10 seconds. Okay, this dude, in my opinion, if you've got an ego that can be rubbed wrong by Sean, then you shouldn't even have a badge, in my opinion. Yeah, it's, it's, that's really it to me. Ego and no one knowing the law, knowing your job. Yeah, it's he. He sets the officers right in the correct manner and shows them that they should be learning from him. Yeah, and it's, and it really it angers me when I think about it, because they've come after him in some videos, like, uh, like one of the five mafia families Just sending people after him. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:That video of him at the jail. When they just stopped him it looked like a movie. I mean literally it didn't look real. He's like I need backup. And then all of a sudden, like 80 cops or jailers or whatever the hell they were, come out why?
Speaker 3:Because a dude's in an open area filming I I don't, I don't get that, I never have and I tell and I tell the officers all the time listen, I'm not a threat to you, I'm not a threat for your safety or anything. You know because they're like you know, I don't know who you are. Well, no one knows who anybody is. Hi, my name is sean nice. To meet you, like you know, this is if you're scared of strangers, you probably shouldn't be in law enforcement. Like you, you meet new people every day on the job and and matt's right, it's ego and I saw matt's video. When he made that video that went viral about first amendment auditors. Um, I thought it was so cool and so brave of him to do because you know, a lot of law enforcement officers are scared to come out and they I have a bunch of law enforcement officers who email me behind the scenes and they're they're terrified of speaking out against what they say. You know what I call the thin blue line, you know, in fear of retaliation and you know, eric, we've talked about this offline where you know, I've dealt with public servants who have been retaliated for supporting me paramedics, law enforcement officers and they're terrified of coming out and saying that they support me, they support, and it's really like you're scared of saying you support the constitution and support, you know, accountability and law enforcement and you're scared that there's something bad is going to happen to you or they're going to retaliate. That's a problem, that's a culture problem within law enforcement and that's something that needs to change.
Speaker 3:As far as the ego, you know I try not to have an ego. No one's perfect here in this world but I try my best not to have an ego. I don't let you know having almost a million subscribers on YouTube, or two million total. To try and get to my head. I'm just Sean Paul Reyes. I'm just trying to do my job every single day be a good father, be a good husband, be a good person, but you can learn from anybody.
Speaker 3:I love to learn. I'll learn from the a beat cop on the street if he has some valuable knowledge for me. Like I'm not an attorney, I'm not anybody special, I don't have any special education. I've taken the time out of my life to learn and to educate myself on certain topics, but I'm not smarter than anybody else and I'm always willing to learn and I think if law enforcement had that, that mentality where? Listen, I know this is just some random guy on the street and he's telling me about the first amendment and the New York state right to monitor act, and I have no idea what he's talking about. They're like who's this guy? I've been doing this job for 15 years. You know, I know what I'm doing. Sometimes you don't, and sometimes you can learn a thing or two and we can part friends.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So I want to open it up to let some people's questions come through Now. I apologize, because the chats are going faster than we can keep up with. They're flying through, so I'm trying to keep up the best I can. I managed to pull this one out of Mr Billfold, so this one goes to you. Sean, my guy. Yeah, he's one of our, he's one of our main guys. He said are you going to file against those troopers in Elmira? What made you decide not to take the ride that day? So can you give us a backstory on?
Speaker 3:that, if you know what he's sure. So Elmira video just came out. Elmira correctional facility Um, it's a facility that I was already interested in, just historically, it used to hold Confederate soldiers there. So I went there to check it out and, um, one of the state troopers the New York state troopers that arrived, one we had a great conversation with. I had a great conversation with one of them. He's like I get what you're doing, I get your mission, I appreciate it. And then the other cop comes and he's like you're going to leave now or you're going to go to jail. So, under threat of arrest, I left the facility in New York.
Speaker 3:So the First Amendment and again, this is not legal advice to anybody, this to anybody, this is just my understanding of the law but the first amendment you have reasonable time placing mana restrictions, different forums, uh, traditional, limited uh and public forums. But the new york state, new york state has a, a law that's been codified, that is the new york state right to monitor act, and it says you have the right to record law enforcement, correctional officers, security officers, any sort of officer in the course of their duty from public property and any sort of officer in the course of their duty from public property and there's no wiggle room in it. So correctional officers operate on correctional facility property and they they enforce their policy over the law. I try to explain to them. This is a new york state law. Read it, uh, and it will tell you exactly what is allowed or not. Basically codifies the first amendment right for for the new york state, um, and there's civil liabilities against the officers who violate this. The only way you can arrest somebody when you're filming is to is if they're obstructing an oga, which in new york I know a lot of states. It's obstruction could be anything, but in new york it's physical obstruction is written into the statue.
Speaker 3:So I went there. I was told to leave or I'll be arrested immediately, so I left. So I've had situations where I've left under threat of arrest and I've had situations where I've taken the ride. It all depends on what I'm trying to accomplish. If it was at a city hall, maybe I'm trying to bring more awareness to it, because I'm going to go all out and take it to trial and I want to get that exposure. I want to take it to a jury of my peers or or courtroom and go all the way.
Speaker 3:Um, sometimes, you know, just depends on my life circumstances. I just don't take the ride and I tell every single activist, first Amendment ordered, or whatever you want to call them. You know you don't have to take the ride, you don't. Yeah, I, I suggest you don't. Um doesn't make you any less of a man. Why would you want to be handcuffed and put in a jail cell? It's so humiliating, it's so demeaning and it's horrible. It's a horrible experience. I've been arrested 11 times in the last four years, beaten all the criminal charges against me, but the thing is, is that every single criminal charge? Right, they did drop in in some. In some instances they dropped to like a violation, which is like a parking ticket, and I was found guilty of the violation, but it's not a crime.
Speaker 1:So I I go with all criminal charges so hold up before we go any farther, because we do have a lot of cops that watch what we do, right, and I want them to take that and listen to what the fuck you just said. Sean paul reyes, long island audit. If you've got a problem with some of the stuff he does, think about that. For a second, this dude has not had criminal charges filed on him one time in the four plus years you've been doing this right. Not a single fucking time.
Speaker 3:That that's a huge statement in itself goes to you and that's what I tell people and that's, and you know, I was filming at another correctional facility and I told her. You know, I told the correctional officer. I said you know, unfortunately I've been arrested 11 times. We had a conversation and and she had said, that says a lot about you. And I told her does it say a lot about me or does it say a lot about the law enforcement officers across this country? You know the ones I've dealt with in particular, that it doesn country the ones I've dealt with in particular. It doesn't say anything about me. Anybody could be arrested, but if you're convicted, that's a different story and I wasn't convicted, so at the end of the day, you don't have to take the ride. I didn't take the ride and, to answer the question, I will be filing a lawsuit in state court. Normally I file federal lawsuits. I have one against New York City right now again for our New York City Right to Record Act for filming in the precincts.
Speaker 3:A lot of these departments like to enforce their policies and they don't follow the law. They don't understand the difference Because when it comes to trespassing, they're like well, they're the property owner, right, they're the manager of the property, they could tell you to leave whenever they want for any reason, but when there's laws in the Constitution behind it and specifically in New York there's case law People v Leonard that says you cannot utilize the trespass laws in order to violate a constitutionally or statutory protected activity. So this has already been played out in courts before and they don't understand this, even District Attorney's Office. You know, when I spoke with the District Attorney's Office in Chatham County in Savannah, georgia, I told them, like a lot of them don't understand, because there's so many different nuances to the law that it's impossible for everybody to know everything. Uh, but the the thing is is that once you realize what you're doing is wrong, you need to stop and you need to dismiss the charges and do the right thing and save face. But they don't do it. That's the problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, I don't normally do this, but I'm going to. This guy wrote a novel and I want to make sure he gets heard with what he was trying to say. It's really big, so I'm going to read it. Many people are taught that obeying authority is always the right thing to do, but history shows that true morality often means standing up to unjust laws and those who enforce them. Some of the worst crimes in history slavery, genocide and oppression were carried out legally by people who believed they were just doing their jobs. Real changes come from those who resisted, not from those who followed orders. When people stop blindly obeying authority and start thinking for themselves, the power of tyrants disappears. Their strength depends on the support and obedience of regular people. Belief in authority is what allows injustice to grow. It's not evil individuals alone, but the millions who follow orders without question that make large scale harm possible. If people stopped supporting unjust systems, those systems would collapse. Justice requires personal responsibility, not blind obedience. That's beautiful. I mean really Absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3:Thank you that was great Harrison Brock really.
Speaker 1:Absolutely amazing, thank you. Thank you, that was great. Harrison Brock threw out 20 memberships, so hopefully some people in the chat got a hold of those. Thank you, harrison. Appreciate that we had some of your people, sean, throw a couple bucks our way for doing what we're doing, so we appreciate the support guys Big time.
Speaker 4:Sean, I got a question. Yeah. Have you ever, have you ever, like, done some math, sat down and done some math and figured out how many millions of dollars have gone of of of salary, have gone into an hours? Man, our time have gone into all of this stuff that you've been through. I can't imagine that figure would be. Oh my.
Speaker 3:God.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, that's actually yeah, right, that's a.
Speaker 3:That's a good point, um, and I talk about it a lot, but I've never really looked into the actual billable hours by these attorneys, by, you know, defending a lawsuit. I could only imagine how much money and I people say, you know, oh, he's just looking for a lawsuit to get paid like. Let's be clear, I've these lawsuits. They're the new, the biggest one I have going. I'm not even suing for money, I'm just suing for the policy change. I could have sued for money but I didn't think it was the proper venue for money. I have no problem suing government agencies for money, let me be clear. But it's not an avenue for me to get rich.
Speaker 1:That is not Do you sue them for $1,776?
Speaker 3:No, that's Jeff Gray.
Speaker 1:I know I love that. That's great.
Speaker 3:That dollars, no, that's jeff gray, I know I love that. That's, that's great. That's great. I learned that amount to be determined at a jury trial, but it's. You know, I've settled a few lawsuits 10 000, 12 500 and I've given, uh, most, if not all that money back to a charity.
Speaker 1:So, and I'm proud of that my mom supported my show with 20 bucks.
Speaker 1:Thanks, mom yeah mom, that's mom, that's so great, um, okay, so I'm glad you brought up trespass, because it's one of the things that we harp on a lot. Cops screw up trespass so often, so I was hoping to kind of throw some knowledge towards your people, um, to kind of understand why I think they screw that up so much. And one of the big things is there's criminal trespass warnings. That's not against the law, I mean, that's not a crime, that's a civil issue between a business or a resident and the person that they don't want on their property. Okay, you tracking, you following me, so, and then you have criminal trespass. And that's when you've been told or warned and then you continue to stay past that warning. That's when it becomes criminal.
Speaker 1:And you will see these cops so often where they're trying to give a warning. Again, the warning is civil and cops think, because they have to fill out some damn form from their own department, which is a policy thing that they now have a right to your ID and they don't Listen. Officers, if you're listening to me, somebody in the chat said don't swear, you're on the wrong fucking channel. We swear. Matt doesn't swear, I swear Banning. When he gets really mad at some of these videos. Then he'll curse I wear donut shirts and try to be ironic, so I swear all the time, but anyway. So that is where cops get themselves in trouble all the time. And there is a huge ignorant blind spot that cops have where they think, because they're filling out a form for their department, that they now suddenly have a right to your ID. And that's one of the things that we're trying to get across. If they're not going to listen to you, sean, who's never been charged and convicted of any criminal charges, then they need to listen to me, matt banning, all these guys that are on here that are cops. It's the only way we can get across to them. Oh, did I get it? This damn fly has been in my face.
Speaker 1:So we're trying to attack on both fronts and this is where I'm getting to with bridging the gap. You're trying to educate from your side in the way that you do it, and I think it's beautiful. I think it's beautiful. So let us come out and try to do our best, the way that Matt does, the way that Banning does, the way I do it, where we're trying to show listen, fuckos. If you're not going to listen to this guy who's proven his record. Well, listen to us, we do the same job as you. You're wrong and they will fight me on that. Saying no, if we get called out there, we're a stop and ID state. You still need to have that articulable suspicion of a crime if you're going to ID somebody In the state of Texas. They got to be under arrest. Right.
Speaker 1:So it's either under arrest or a lawful traffic stop. That's the only time I can do a mandatory ID, and even then you still have the right to tell me to pound rocks. You're just going to get charged for it and cops will lose their ever-loving mind because they're doing a criminal trespass warning again civil and you're not giving up the ID. So we're trying to get that through to cops. So I'm hoping we can soundbite this so it can take a few— it's such a simple concept too, it's so easy and it's just I don't know where it gets lost in translation how they're not getting this. There's obviously a huge gap in training from one department to the next. Benny, you sound like you got something, buddy.
Speaker 6:Man, I just want to thank Sean for the content that he puts out there, because I've been out of the game for a year and even being an FTO, which is field training officer training these guys, we would actually sit down, log into a department computer, pull up Long Island Audit and I want to see the look on somebody out of the academy's face put into the situation and I want to hear their answers. I'd pause, get and this would go into what's called a DOR and that's an official daily observation report from an FTO to recruit and I was able to teach a lot just based on your content that you put out there. Man, I hope there's just as many cops across the country that are looking at this that may have not received and I wouldn't know why they haven't received any training yet. But, frigging man, your, your, your page is awesome and I appreciate what you do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to. I want to highlight this comment X they don't recall. Do not get us started on that idiot.
Speaker 1:We call him Joffrey on the show to reference Game of Thrones, because it is the opinion of everybody on Two Cops, one Donut that not only was he ignorant of the law and how all that stuff goes, I think and this is again I'm speculating, because I don't know what he truly thought and I don't want to get sued he was lying Clear as day. He'd been coached. You saw that, didn't you Matt? Yeah, it was disgusting. Yeah, that guy has no business in law enforcement. And if he did lie, if he was lying during that, that dude needs to be in jail.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's a lot of reasons he needs to be in jail.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, a lot of right, a lot of reasons he needs to be in jail. Yeah, now I will give the cop out if that whole department's just so terribly trained and that, and that is. They all think that way. They all thought what he was saying was right and they didn't know that. I mean, this is a big what if? But if it was poorly trained, okay, fire him, don't let any of them be cops again. But does that make them criminally liable? I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean I want to push back. That was clearly not just ignorant, under-trained, that was malicious. That man is a malicious human being officer that he has no business, in my opinion, being a law enforcement officer. I think objectively he has no business being a law enforcement officer. That was one of the worst depositions.
Speaker 3:I have a bunch of depositions that I can't show because, unfortunately, uh, federal judges think that they per, they put me under like a gag order, a protective order from sharing them on my channel. Uh, because they want to protect the law enforcement officers from embarrassment and annoyance. They say these words just so we're clear uh, embarrassment or annoyance? They say these words just so we're clear embarrassment or annoyance, which boggles my mind. Hopefully, when the lawsuits are finished, I'll be able to show them One of them's already finished and they won't let me show it still. So I have to appeal. It cost money, it's just a whole big ordeal. But that guy, joffrey, sergeant Joffrey, he's a supervisor. That was definitely malicious and I will say I'm a very peaceful individual, but I've never wanted to punch somebody in their face. Thank you, more than I've wanted to punch sergeant joffrey on during his deposition like it didn't even seem real no, it seems.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, just to give you guys reference. A lot of you guys don't know. Banning was a city cop for a little while but he was also a deputy in a rural area. So the dude's used to having to wrestle cattle out of the road and all that stuff in Texas and be by himself for long periods of time not having backup and all that stuff. But to see a person that could never afford to be a hot-tempered guy in the field because he's alone and he doesn't have backup right around the corner or any of that Like to see him get mad, like people in the chat were, like Banning's face is getting red, he was fuming. And to see Banning get pissed off at that dude, that speaks volumes to how punchable he is, very punchable.
Speaker 3:Right, I did a reaction on my channel with a former prosecutor who's, you know, on the up and up about everything and he was like punchable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, yeah, absolutely. Oh, my God, that that got me so worked up, okay, so I want to keep having these chats. Let's keep talking and doing all that stuff. Somebody's also brought up ego. I want to, sean, and this is something maybe you can bring attention to now.
Speaker 1:Offline we can talk specifics, but at my department, where I'm at and you guys, I won't say where I'm at simply because I got to. I don't want to get fired again, like, if you guys figure it out, it's not that hard to figure out where I'm at. I've been audited before as well, um, so you can find the audits of me. But anyway, the point that I'm getting to, we actually now, in the last two years, because of videos that we keep seeing of cops getting in trouble and screwing up, it's usually the ego that starts it. We have an ego class that we're teaching our recruits and we're breaking it down, not just common sense, we're breaking it down scientifically, like when you're thinking logically. I think the way that it goes is you're thinking with your frontal core, your frontal lobe, but when you start to think with ego and you let your emotions take over and they get hijacked, now you're thinking with a different part of your brain. You're literally thinking with a different part of your brain. So we're trying to teach our officers, when that happens, how to recognize the signs and symptoms and know when to tap out or know when to fix it. If you can't, some people just get so emotionally hijacked. They can't, they can't recover fast. So it's good to tap out.
Speaker 1:If, if Matt and I were on a call and you know, I just seen a baby that got abused I may get a little pissed off and I'd be like Matt, I can't, like you got to talk to him, like I can't talk to him on this one. I'm, I'm, I'm not there yet and Matt's going to step in. All right, I got it, partner, but you got to know that about yourselves. Or Matt's got to see it and say, eric, no, step back. You look like you're getting red. I don't, I don't want you to do in that. Matt, do you agree?
Speaker 4:And it's infectious. I mean I'm chilling, laid back and I'm a professional and I'm going to demand it from every cop that comes on any scene that I'm at. Yeah, I mean it's it and it comes from leadership. But it just comes from from doing it, just being a leader by showing them, not just telling them. So yeah, it works like that and I do that with my partners. I mean it's happened, but usually I just hold my partners. No, they better act right by me.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yep, absolutely. What do you think about that, sean? Is that a good idea? Is that something you think law?
Speaker 3:enforcement officer. I've never been on a call. I've never, you know, had to deal with any of the you know nuanced behaviors that happened. You know the horrific things that happen. Um, you know, I can only imagine that there are instances where there are pretty traumatic things that a cop has to see or be involved. When involved with that a normal everyday person doesn't Car accidents, sexual abuse, cases against minors, things of this nature, domestic violence and it's got to take a toll on your psyche, on your mental health.
Speaker 3:And I think we talked about this offline, eric, is that it's on the command staff to recognize this and the culture of the police department to accept that. Hey, listen, I'm not good on this call, like I need to go home early. I need to do this because my my head's all messed up from this last call and not being. You know, I can only imagine if that happened. Maybe you know the department would say like, oh, you know, matt had to go home early. Did you hear Matt had to go home early? What a softie, or whatever.
Speaker 3:It's about the culture, the command staff, and I think it's good for people to take a break from continuing to, because the ultimate job is you guys are to enforce the law and to respect people's constitutional rights. And a law that just to swing, just to put this out there, a law that I see that's not enforced at all, basically ever only in really high profile cases there's a federal law for violating somebody's rights under color of law, like that is a criminal charge that can be levied on a law enforcement officer every single time, like against Joffrey on. Why isn't he being charged federally for violating Jeff Gray's constitutional rights? For violating Jeff Gray's constitutional rights? So there's got to be the accountability aspect. But you've got to take personal accountability of your own mental health and what's going on with you. Because again, I try and I'm not an expert in everything, I'm definitely not an expert in law enforcement as far as the job. But I would say, just be a human, recognize your faults, recognize your limitations and go from there.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, leroy, he sent out five bucks to us, man, we appreciate that. Everybody that's been supporting the show tonight, thank you. It just rolls back into the show. It doesn't go in anybody's pocket. We just use it to support what we're doing. Uh, we are not at um at Sean's level, so we're lucky we get 50 bucks a month, you so, but no, we appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Uh, but I will read the chat. Uh, leroy said uh, ego violation the police do is what causes 99 agreed of these peaceful interactions that go bad. Not anybody of breaking the law. Um, I, I think that's got a lot of merit to it. I do think ego and I actually probably put out that same stat quite regularly by myself is that 99% of you officers that keep getting yourselves in trouble, you're digging that hole yourself. You're letting your ego get in place. And when does that typically happen, matt and Banning, the moment somebody like Sean asks a question.
Speaker 3:The moment when anybody with an ego or challenges their thinking, thinking right, or challenges what their their norm, what they're used to.
Speaker 3:They're you know hey you know I'm telling you to leave, I need your id. No, you don't, that's not a criminal charge, uh, to be warned. And they're like what? And then they just they get in their feelings. And again, I've always been told, my mother always instilled this into me don't allow anyone to control your emotions, because then they're going to completely control you and I don't want anybody to control me.
Speaker 3:So I try and let I let the officers know, listen, because a lot of them they see me hold my camera and they're like immediately, like they think I'm the bad guy, they think I'm their enemy. And I tell them I've had you have never been assaulted by a man with a camera. I promise you that I've been assaulted with by a man in a uniform that looks very similar to yours. I've been put in handcuffs, thrown in a jail cell, mocked, humiliated, my freedom taken away from me and even though all those things have happened, I'm not ignorant enough to think that I don't go and hold that grudge against you.
Speaker 3:So if you see somebody holding a camera, don't go and use any other prior experiences you might have had or any type of you know notion that you have about these first amendment auditors or cop watchers. Don't use that to judge the next interaction you have with somebody filming your traffic. Stop filming. You know they say, oh, officer safety. You know there's never been a case unless somebody can prove me wrong where a man with a camera has injured a law enforcement officer on a traffic stop. It's just never happened. But I know plenty of law enforcement officers who have violated cameraman's rights and physically hurt them. So again, let's take the stats of how they are and act accordingly.
Speaker 1:Because, let's be honest, what's one of the first things the court system is going to do when they make an argument? They're going to bring up past history, right?
Speaker 4:I'm right along the lines of Sean. I don't think that's I think and cops hate me when I say this, but I love you. Civil rights violation blatant. You should be in prison period. We need to start making examples of these people.
Speaker 6:There's a special place under prisons for that. Yeah, I'm sick of it. Examples of these people.
Speaker 1:There's a special place under prisons for that. I think people are trying to elicit an emotional response with you tonight, Sean, with the Fahey, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Sergeant Brian Fahey. Oh man, what a guy, what a guy. Yeah, we'll get to that.
Speaker 1:But I do want to. I want to this. Okay, hold on one second. That fly is right on my mic, Got it? Fuck, I missed him again. He's dive-bombing my face, my mustache, my eyes. Okay, so I want to get to the point that I was trying to get to. Sean lies so much I don't think he does. How dare you? That came from your page too. I just ignore it.
Speaker 3:I don't even, I don't even pay it any money. It is. You know, have I lied in my life, sure?
Speaker 3:it hasn't, um, but again it's. I've been doing this four years, man there, you could tell me anything you want to tell me. I know the only people who are important to me are the people that are in this house with me right now. You know, and and my close friends, that that's the only opinions that matter honestly. So I'm sorry to hurt your feelings if that hurts your feelings, but I'm sorry, don't care, don't care stick with me.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to see if I can, uh, biggie size this justice for the fly. That's not working. Is that what they're saying? Just okay, I got this as well as I can because it's short so it's shown in a vertical platform. Uh, this damn fly. Let me see my d. This fly is not listening guys, all right, we're gonna pull up some of, uh, sean's videos. Um, we'll, we'll do this one first and then we'll discuss and kind of treat it like we do our Bodycam Live stuff. But we're going to use Sean's material here, so make sure you guys are following. If you don't know, all credit to Sean's page. This is where we're getting it from at Long Island Audit on his YouTube channel. He did not give me permission to say that, but I'm doing it. Here we go, but I'm doing it, so here we go, excuse me sir.
Speaker 7:Hands up against the wall. You're on private property, sheriff's office, I'm not breaking any laws.
Speaker 3:Who are you? I am the officer working here.
Speaker 2:You're going to tell me to put my hands up against the wall.
Speaker 1:Your boy is breathy already. Oh shit, this was the video I was talking about. I didn't realize I had pulled up because full discredit, just discredit, full discretion. I, um, I asked some of our guys that, uh, this is the fun part about our show, sean, is we are very interactive with the people that follow us. So I had a couple of my people shout out to tim uh and shout out to mr billfold they, they pulled all these videos for us today. Uh, you, because they know your history better, they're actually the ones that helped us find you and shout out to Vertical Alliance for throwing $10 at us.
Speaker 1:He said have you seen any of the five-year clean meth guy? Cdl was on his way to his daughter's prom. Oh, I do know what he's talking about. This guy was on his way to his daughter's prom, or something like that, and he ended up getting pulled over and couldn't make it. Uh, lost his job and all that stuff. So, um, I do know what you're talking about, sir, and if we can get to that, we will. Um, but uh, sorry, let me get this off the chat here, but so, sean, was that the first words they said to you?
Speaker 1:first words that laid out the gate, get your.
Speaker 3:Just hey, put your hands up against the wall, like what, like what I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1:In what world is that okay, Like just put your hands Like no, no, not at all. And so this is what we're trying to get across to officers, because not only are cops grossly trained, under-trained apparently, apparently, when it comes to First Amendment audits and the Constitution and what it goes to with your First Amendment, rights to record and being in public places Screw, just being filming, just being in public places alone. Cops are grossly undertrained and I don't understand, but the first words out of their mouth. And so just I want to be clear you're on an open public parking lot and is that the prison, the jail, what is it?
Speaker 3:this is a the ulster correctional facility in upstate new york. So just for context, this is so I came. You'll see in a second. There's some stairs right behind him, to the left of him, right there. I came from the parking line, I walked down and there's like a public charger for electric vehicles and it says the public can use this charger. Uh, right behind me is like a public charging uh station and he says this is there, is.
Speaker 3:There are signs, um, to the right of him, at the beginning of the road, that say authorized personnel only. Uh, which is weird to me, because there's a public charger there that has a sign that says this is open to use. You know, it would pop up on your map. I checked it popped up on google maps for people to charge there. So that's a problem that they were going to address. I've already spoken to some people at the sheriff's office there. Uh, but this is open to the public. I mean he's again. Just to just put your hands against the wall. Is your first thing you're going to tell me? Put your hands against the wall right now and not even identify yourself, like it's classic, refusing to de-escalate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, and props to you, Sean. That's some very good investigative work that you did on your side that I know detectives that wouldn't have thought to do that when they went and went to go put a case against you they wouldn't have checked to see if that public access electrical charging place was on the map for people to gain access.
Speaker 3:I don't know, you'll never catch me in a restricted area, maybe one time because I didn't see the sign, but other than that, and the cops were really cool about it, but other than that, and the cops are really cool about it, but other than that, I always make sure that there's no signage because you need to have. You know it's got to be like, I think, a reasonable person again, not an attorney, I think like a reasonable person should have known that it was a restricted area due to signage or some sort of fence or something like that. But I'm never in an area like that.
Speaker 1:Never, yeah, yeah, yeah, we read that one already, alan. All right, let's, let's keep going with this.
Speaker 3:I'm not breaking any laws. You have no authority to detain me. Are you even a deputy sheriff? Are you a manpower out to where the carpet right now More manpower for what you can't be here. Sorry, you seem tired after what you just did, but I'm not a threat. All right, let's stop.
Speaker 1:That was a dick move, bro, that was a dick move.
Speaker 3:I never said I can't be a dick man. I've never once said that, Never once. That wasn't a dick move, that was beautiful. And again they always start it right Hands against the wall.
Speaker 1:I'm pissed off now, like I said you always, let them open the door.
Speaker 4:He opened it. You know that's exactly what Pac-Man from the movie Colors the evil cop. That's what he did to get the name put. That was a movie they were trying to make him young.
Speaker 1:Sean's too young. He don't even know what he's talking about. Oh, I remember the song I am a nightmare walking Walking Bro. I remember the song I am a nightmare walking Walking Bro. I loved colors. That was great. There's an old bull and a young bull. Come on, John, you know that joke. No, I'll tell you, I can't swear. So there's an old bull and a young bull standing up on top of a hill looking down at the female cows. What do you call them? Banning Heifers?
Speaker 6:Well, you're heifers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, looking down at all the female cows and the young calf looks at the old bull and he goes hey, let's run down there and fuck one of them. And the old bull says, nah, son, let's walk down there and fuck them all. He goes. Once you figure that out, you'll understand the streets. There's a lot of wisdom to that right, matt, he's just losing the followers.
Speaker 1:Man, I know, yeah, I'm losing I didn't make the joke up, it was on the movie. I'm quoting fuckers. So um, yeah, anyway, um, every single cop, fat, lazy and stupid, yep. Hey, come on, I'm in shape. Just because I'm wearing donuts, I mean, I'm not in shape. I'm still in the military. I still got to pass a PT test.
Speaker 4:I don't have to do that. Too many, too many.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, there are too many fatties Not going to lie. Okay, let's keep going. After Sean's burn here. No.
Speaker 8:You're not allowed to be here. I'm telling you now you're going to be arrested.
Speaker 3:Go up against the wall. I'm telling you, I'm not going to put my hands against the wall because I haven't committed a crime. You can't be here.
Speaker 7:Being here is a crime. No, it's not. Is there a sign on the way in? There is no sign.
Speaker 1:There's a sign saying this is not telling you. Put your hands up against the wall. Look at these guys. I can hear them all heavy breathing trying to get there. Jesus, we got action. We got, yeah, we got the guy with the looking forward to that jesus all running in. I'm not breaking any laws. I'm not.
Speaker 3:Don't do it don't violate my rights. There's no signage here. There's no signage here. There is no signage you guys need to calm down. There is no signage here. There's no signage. There is no signage. You guys need to calm down. There is no signage.
Speaker 5:Look, look when I walked in right here, look, look where I walked in.
Speaker 1:So they don't even know? Okay, let's go police style on them. Matt and Ben Yep, you bet what path did they take? What path did our suspect take? If there's two ways to get in there, sean, was there two ways? Yeah, okay, two ways of access and they're pointing out one, right? Do you even know which direction he came in through? Right? So if you get him doubting themselves, you can tell right away. And, and sean wasn't fucking playing on this one.
Speaker 4:This is what sean is doing right here is just classic resisting of an unlawful order. It was an unlawful order to put his hands on the wall, and Sean knows the stuff and he's like, no, I don't have to, that's not lawful.
Speaker 1:Now, sean, I'm sure you would agree Please know what you're talking about and you're doing when you do this stuff. Right? I mean, you've got to educate yourself. That's the most important thing Educ, right? I mean. Sean's got to learn from hard work.
Speaker 3:That's the most important thing. Educate, surround yourself by people who are smarter than you. Educate yourself, yep, and because you don't want to give any, any of these law enforcement officers an opening to arrest you lawfully and then you're going to go to jail, yeah. And you're not going to beat it.
Speaker 1:Yeah and you're not going to beat it. Like my authority, yeah and you're not going to. That's the other part. Like if you're going to do this stuff, like we saw a video not too long ago of a person pressing, trying to be like a agitator, protester, and they had already given the warnings like hey, this is turned violent, we're shutting this down, it's no longer a peaceful protest, you know, and they gave like 15 minutes worth of warnings and some lady comes up and just throws herself at the wall and they just opened it up as soon as she went to jump and they swarmed her and arrested her. And it's like you can't turn violent, know what your limitations are. Yes, you can protest, but the moment you start becoming violent, things change Right. Hold on, I might have got it.
Speaker 4:Do you get stressed out with that, sean? Did you at first. Are you used to it now?
Speaker 3:I mean I've never had this many officers running at me before. This was the first incident that I've had this happen. I've had a lot of law enforcement officers presence, but not such a like aggressive one, I should say. So I got a little bit excited. I'm like you know, this is. You know, I'm not perfect and I'm trying to.
Speaker 3:I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna get beat up these Because it's not a regular situation and that's one of the perks of being a law enforcement officer. Right Like you, can do things that might not be lawful and I can't defend myself. Whether I can, legally or not, in reality I work in reality. That's in reality. Whether it's an unlawful order, whether it's a excessive force or anything like that, I defend myself physically. I'm going to get beat down to the ground and I'm going to be charged with felonies for putting my hands. How dare I put my hands on a law enforcement officer? That's the reality. So I know there's nothing I can do to defend myself. If a regular citizen comes up to me, I'm like alright, man, well, I'm going to put this camera down because we're not doing this. But with law enforcement, really nothing I could do come stampeding towards you, look like bro, I would have been stressed like I get nervous just for you.
Speaker 1:I'm like, oh my god, because I I don't know how it's gonna go.
Speaker 3:Oh, you should imagine my family oh, think about it you're married.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm married. Yeah, does she watch your? My wife doesn't watch my stuff no, I mean she should watch.
Speaker 3:She used to watch it more than she does now. It just she doesn't want to be stressed out. Um, she fully supports everything that I do, uh. But, um, you know, when I first went, I was like, hey, I'm gonna go do this audit. I had no idea what I was doing and I was like I'm gonna go try this out. It was during covet and she was like, all right, be safe. And uh, if she would have told me no, I would have never done it. It We'd never been in a Long Island audit. So, appreciate her support. My family all supports me because they know who I am. They know me so they know that I'm not malicious and I'm not anti-law enforcement.
Speaker 1:Yep shout out to Flix Flux. He said veteran rights vanish when cops learn I'm a combat vet. Routine stops, that's really fast, fast. My service shouldn't mean fear and force. Stop discriminating. I can tell you right now, anytime I deal with a vet it's actually relieves me. I'd rather deal with vets because I'm military. I'm still in, I'm still a military cop for the air force, I'm in security forces, so quasi-military according to banning, because he was a marine. So uh, but um, problem is some cops think everything they say is a lawful order. You're damn right, some of them do, and everything that comes out of their mouth.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a lawful order because coming from a lawful order officer are you are you? I don't think you are. I would just be like no, you're not, I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Speaker 1:I held on to this comment. I wanted to read it because it was a really good one. Sammy Rodriguez said Sergeant Eric Levine, the problem is that it takes a lot of white paint to make black paint fade away, meaning the system's already corrupted and the agencies are already comfortable with protection that they are getting from the top of the enforcement agencies and that will take lots of years to fix. My blood really boils watching the tyranny that I see from law enforcement agencies and this is the reason why lots of people hate cops. I'm with you, I understand, and that's one of the things. I even talked with Sean about this offline.
Speaker 1:One of the things that I try to do specifically with my show and what we do on Two Cops, one Donut is I share good stuff too. I think it's important because if all you create is an echo chamber for cops doing bad or all you share is an echo chamber for cops doing good, you're really missing the ability to help fix things, and that's what Sean does and that's why I like. What Sean does so much is he will show when cops do good and he'll even say this cop passed or whatever, and and give them credit for when they do that. He even goes out and trains police departments that realize they're either not doing very well or maybe they're doing good and they want to know how they can get better. And Sean goes out and talks at those places. Sean, what's your experience been doing that?
Speaker 3:talks at those places. Sean, what's your experience been doing that? So you know, the first ever department uh was that detective sergeant, uh, michael banik. He invited me. He's in the head of internal affairs at the hubbard police department and he invited me out. He saw the video of sergeant brian fahey and he invited me out to his department to have a conversation um do a co-training with him to his entire department.
Speaker 3:It was a small department um uh, but it was good meeting a lot of those uh, those individuals there and you know we had good conversations and we we really focused on like humanizing, you know, everybody in the situation. Like you know, there was a lot of people there that you know didn't support what I, you know didn't support me and they, after we had the conversation, they're like wait a minute and again it's. It's about somebody said in the chat earlier, critical thinking, nuance. These are important terms to have as a human being, uh to realize what's going on in our country and to critically analyze every single situation. Uh, that was the first time that I spoke and then I did another one. I attended a command staff meeting in north bergen, new jersey. I did ride-alongs at both departments uh got to sit in the passenger seat, had a good conversation with the law enforcement officer. I was paired up with um and then, more recently at a district attorney's office, which was interesting, but it goes well.
Speaker 3:We all get along because I'm a nice guy. You know, they they, a lot of these officers that hate me. They have a different perception of me than what's actual reality. Um, they just think that I'm trying to expose bad law, for which I am, but that that's all I care about, and it's one of the most important things I care about, cause it's really important. Um, I'm not, you know, highlighting every cop that saves a cat from a tree. There's the mainstream media for that right, you guys get a lot of praise. And when you guys do heroic things, you guys get a lot of praise in the media. Your local media cop saves somebody from a fire or something like that, and you should be commended for that. But when we're talking about this offline, I don't think that all law enforcement officers should be labeled as heroes. Self-proclaimed.
Speaker 3:Right, Because it's, it's it's it's, it's cheapening the word of hero. Hero is defined by their actions, not by their profession, not by a uniform that they wear. So can law enforcement officers be heroes?
Speaker 1:Sure, but just signing up and putting the uniform on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just signing up on the dotted line and going out and writing people tickets. I don't think that makes you a hero.
Speaker 4:I got out of hate me when I say that man that triggers so many people.
Speaker 3:I'm sure it does, because they want to be a hero. Who doesn't want to be a hero? Who doesn't want people call me a hero all the time? I don't think I'm a hero. You know, I try and be as humble as possible because ego is so dangerous. I understand. I see it in cops every day. I see it all the time when I go to these facilities, when I go to these departments, and I don't want to be caught up in that. It is something that you know. If you let it get to your head, it's going to be a problem. So I try and remain, you know. Hey, I'm not a hero man, I'm just doing my job yep, um, sorry, I'm looking at the chat.
Speaker 1:I'm letting my guys know in the background that I'm just looking at the chats, that they still are.
Speaker 4:I think there should be a good, seasoned auditor in every single police academy in this country, in every class, to teach.
Speaker 1:I mean you guys teach a lot better than most of these instructors. Honestly, don't sue us, but I think we used some of your videos in our academy. They've used my videos.
Speaker 3:Somebody sent me an email that they were. I'm not going to say their name or anything. Think we use some of your videos in our academy. They've used my videos. I've gotten um, somebody has said uh, somebody sent me an email that they were. I'm not gonna say their name or anything, but they, they emailed me privately and they said, hey, I'm in the nypd academy and you know, one of the sergeants played one of your videos and they were saying how you're the biggest asshole. And I was like, well, I mean, I mean, they're just they, they're using it as propaganda.
Speaker 1:In the academy.
Speaker 3:They said that yeah, they're using, yeah, they're using. This sergeant was using my videos and saying this guy's an asshole. They're training them from right at the beginning to hate people with a camera. So I'm like, wow, he's like I couldn't believe it, you know. I'm like listen, I at least I appreciate you're in the class and that you understand that that's total bullshit and that. Just disregard that, because it's incredible, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:That's disgusting oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Well, the problem that, sean, you may not be aware of and this may give some insight to the people listening what that one instructor is teaching, the next instructor that's teaching another because, like NYPD, they're teaching multiple academy classes at a time. So let's say it's class 145 that that sergeant's teaching, but another sergeant's teaching class 146 at the same time. That sergeant may be showing your stuff and saying look how this is how you handle it, like look how he's doing this, he's right Talking about all the good. How this is how you handle it. Like look how how he's doing this, he's right, Talking about all the good. And that is the disparity in training in the in that we face. Is that what one instructor wants to teach? Where the consistency? We don't have that continuity and consistency in training, even at the same department. Has that been your experience, banning and Matt? That you'll get training from one FTO and then the next FTO tells you the exact opposite?
Speaker 4:Yeah, but the disparity is yeah, I guess you're right, it happens, yeah, and you're like okay, well, this guy told me to do this.
Speaker 1:And you're like no, no, don't do that. And what's the thing that every FTO and I'm generalizing, but what's FTO say as soon as you get out of the academy Don't listen to anything they taught you in the academy.
Speaker 4:It is a lot of change over. However, I will say that making a statement like that about illegal activity that's about as reprehensible as any false teacher that you can think of. That's disgusting.
Speaker 6:What I heard a lot when I first got in and I'm an old man, I got into this in 2002, and I used to hear FTOs tell me and tell other new guys, do as I say, not as I do, and that makes the hairs on the back of my neck stick up. Now I didn't see anything illegal, but it's the fact. Don't even put that into a mind of a new law enforcement officer. Do as I say, not as I do. Well, what are they thinking now, going down the road riding next to this experienced guy? It just man, it just pisses me off.
Speaker 4:Yeah, where's the honor in that, where's the valor, where's the integrity that's too much of that.
Speaker 1:I want to address this comment from Michael Prusak. He said you will always be remembered for your billboard truck. Can you go into what we're talking about here? That was wonderful. All right.
Speaker 3:So I had rented an LED billboard truck, a huge 14-foot billboard truck, to protest. I was unlawfully arrested in Nassau County, new York. The police commissioner there, patrick psycho writer and I call him psycho, not because I made that nickname for him, that's, his friends gave him that nickname. Apparently he used to jump out of trees and stuff when he was. He's been arrested multiple times police brutality, perjury, official misconduct, uh, you name it um, and he apparently allegedly uses, you know, asset forfeiture in a way that is really bad. I mean, it must be. He won't give me till this day, two years later. He won't give me the copies of that's a forfeiture. But anyway, I wanted to expose him um for his.
Speaker 3:It's like a little plot. It's so crazy the politics and all the you know the minutia of what's going on that the police commissioner is telling these officers and they'll say, right, on, body camera, I'm just following orders, man, like, like, I don't know like. And while they had the body cameras for me, particularly while I'm sitting in the cell, they put a body camera right in front of the cell and one of the officers came in and he didn't know that the body camera was on. He was like hey, man, can I get your autograph? And then they were like the body camera. I'm sure he got in trouble for that one what yeah, no, but I'm no, yeah, you don't know.
Speaker 3:the commissioner, uh, he's a bad guy, but I put a billboard truck, um, I rode it around in front of the, the nassau county building, then I took it around the, the block where patrick rider resides, and, um, like 15 officers showed up. I wasn't arrested or anything. I think they just patted me down or whatever. But another thing we should talk about is you know, a Terry, stop. I don't think officers really know. I think they could just, they think they could just pat everybody down, that they, that they want to. And that's not the way the law works, cause they said it's already stopped Boom, boom, you know, frisking you have to have suspicion of something, that they have a weapon right.
Speaker 3:You can't just go tap in everybody's pockets.
Speaker 3:But anyway, I rented the billboard truck, the Nassau County District Attorney Office and the Nassau County Police Department. They are very close and they work hand-in-hand as you would imagine, but they work hand-in-hand in their tyranny and their corruption as well. So they sent out these subpoenas to the billboard truck company. They got the license plate. They sent out these subpoenas asking for all this information and the billboard truck company got really spooked because they were like hey, man, we're not trying to mess around with the district attorney's office. You know, I understand and they're like you know, we appreciate your business, but we're not gonna be able to rent your truck anymore. So I went and raised some money, took out some loans uh, myself and I bought an LED billboard truck of my own so this doesn't happen again. And now I own a 14-foot LED billboard truck and it's been great. I love it. It's one of my best purchases of my life. I love that truck, man you call that a gangster move.
Speaker 4:I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3:It wasn't an easy move. I'll tell you that man, that dude that is wasn't an easy move.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you that man, that thing hurt a lot of money. I'm trying to find a photo of it so we can share it. Uh, I'm not, it's, it's all videos that I'm pulling up, so, but, um, okay, let's uh I, before we get to your video. Um, I want to get to this comment right here because it's for you, sean. Uh, damn it. It says uh, sean, what made you pick up the camera to record your first interaction?
Speaker 3:Um so basically I was. I think I already said this, but I'll just say really again, really quick. I watched a lot of first amendment auditing content, uh, I watched a lot of like law enforcement content, not necessarily against law enforcement.
Speaker 3:I think law enforcement interactions are interesting, the dynamic, and I used to watch a lot of First Amendment auditing content Jeff Gray, just to name one. He's been the best at doing it, I think, than everybody else. There's not anybody doing it on long island area, so I decided to just pick up the camera and go. You know, I was furloughed from my job. I was a logistics director for a cosmetic manufacturing company and um, so I had time on my hands, I picked up the camera and I went there and I uploaded it to tick tock not even youtube, I didn't have a youtube channel yet and I got like four million views on tick tock and I was like whoa, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3:And, um, I just kept doing it. I was like you know, I'm going to keep going to these departments and seeing what they're going to do for a man exercising his rights, and I'm going to be respectful. I'm going to, you know, be peaceful. I'm not going to raise my voice, I'm not going to try and obstruct anything. I'm going to do it the way that I want to do it, and I think people really because there's a lot of auditors out there and activists that they allow their emotions to control them and they maybe, because of their past law enforcement experiences and what we've seen, a lot of these things anger me too, but you know, I try and remain peaceful and calm because that's what's gonna, you know, make the interaction go as smooth as possible.
Speaker 3:I'm also trying to get home to my family, um, and I just kept going and I wasn't making any money. I made $7 my first month on YouTube and it wasn't some type. I didn't think of it as like a career or anything like that. And speaking of money, I just want to touch on this really quick. It has turned into a career for me. I don't charge for these trainings.
Speaker 3:I've never taken any money from any law enforcement agency to do any trainings or the district attorney's office, but I do make money on YouTube through social media, through ads, just like any and I explain this to court all the time just like any news outlet. Any news outlet makes money on ads CNN, msnbc, fox news. You know we'll be right back after this commercial break, right, that's how it works. But you know they always say you know, you're just doing this for money. It's like what do you do. Are you doing your job for money? They always try and discredit me and say, oh, you're just trying to make money. Well, yeah, I'm trying to make money, but I'm doing something that I love. Are you jealous? I don't get it.
Speaker 1:I love it. American dream baby. Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:I know, is capitalism a good thing or a bad thing? I don't know. The thing is, it's just like what we're doing. There's not a lot of cops that do what we do, and Matt and Banning will both tell you we get shit from a lot of cops because of what we do. I can only imagine I don't care. I don't care because I'm going based on my heart. It's really why I do what I do. I just let my heart lead the way, and Matt's the same way. Matt and I are two different brothers from another mother and I got him on here because of that.
Speaker 1:And when we watch the stuff that you do and people are going to give you crap for getting paid for it, you either believe in the mission or you don't. And it's the same for what we got going on. It's not that we're out here to try to make money, but if we want the mission to shine and do better and improve, it takes money to do that. And like what with you're doing, like you're bringing, you are bringing great awareness. I will tell you straight up one of the reasons I love what you do is because you have helped create better training for cops. Whether you meant to or not. You've created better training for police officers. So that's one of the reasons why we love showing your stuff because you you take the time to not just buck against the system, in a sense, and in a good way, but you educate, as you're doing it. Like even in this video, that we still haven't got all the way through, like you get to the points that people need to know and need to hear. So, um, without further ado, I'm going to bring that video back up so we can continue watching it.
Speaker 1:Uh, where did it go there? It is All right, let's, uh, hit play. I don't. Banning kind of disappeared. I don't know if he's trying to get back in there. He is Banning. Did you get booted for a second?
Speaker 6:Yeah, I watched y'all find my little icon went away. It didn't say I lost internet or anything Country internet out there.
Speaker 1:That's the problem. Let's go.
Speaker 4:There's no signage by the stairs? No, there is not.
Speaker 1:There is no signage, so many cops hands up against the wall.
Speaker 7:You're on prior property sheriff's office. I'm not breaking any laws.
Speaker 3:Who are you?
Speaker 1:I am you're gonna tell me to put my hands up what's that?
Speaker 3:it just re-looped. This is the same thing we just watched, but it's always interesting that a lot of cops.
Speaker 3:It's a short video, but as long as a lot of cops they always say like this is. But as long as a lot of cops they always say like this is private property, like how do you not know the difference between private property and public property? Like, it just seems like such a simple concept to me. It's like, again, I always say the biggest problems in law enforcement is the lack of accountability, ego and the lack of proper training. Those are the three biggest problems. If we can try and tackle those three problems, law enforcement will be a better profession, have a higher standard of a law enforcement officer and we wouldn't have these problems. Yep.
Speaker 4:The huge thing about what you just said is it takes cops saying that out loud. Yeah, in accordance.
Speaker 3:That's why I think that this is why I'm restreaming this on my channel. I think it's important. I appreciate you guys. Matt, I brought you on the channel. You got to come on again, man. But I brought you on the channel. You, I think you were with the first law enforcement. I'll show you, come on my, come on my channel. It was a while ago. It was like what?
Speaker 4:like two, three years ago yeah, about two, about three years ago yeah, it was the only way we're going to help fix things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it has to be both sides. You have to. I don't know what it is. It's no different than when you try to like. For me, if I try to tell my wife, she's like I need to lose a few pounds. I'm like, well, cut this part out of your diet, that will help you. Or, you know, drink some more water. Whatever it is, she'll get the same advice from a girlfriend or whatever, and she's like, oh yeah, I'm going to do this. I'm like I told you that a long time ago. It's the same thing with this Sean's out there telling you what you need to hear. And how do you? What gives that credibility? How? How many criminal charges have been sustained?
Speaker 9:11 11?
Speaker 1:yeah, and none of them, so. So I go back to that. That gives him his credibility. Now, if they're not going to listen to that, listen to matt, listen to me, listen to banning, listen to the slew of other officers that we have on here.
Speaker 3:There's a lot I got to tell people. You know a lot of people you know say like you know, all cops are bad and things like that. And you know we can debate whether it's the culture, whether it's the system itself, and there's a lot of different nuanced topics that we could talk about. But from my personal experience I have to, you know, I got to speak the truth. It's like I've had hundreds, if not thousands, of law enforcement officers email me over the course of the last four years Again, spoken at police departments, spoken at district attorney's office.
Speaker 3:The district attorney's office I just spoke at was in the same area I don't know if you remember this, matt uh, pooler, georgia, where the police chief, ashley Brown, he told me you know, get out of the parking lot, you can't be here. Where's your press badge? I'm the police chief. It was in Poolorgia. It was, you know my viral video, uh, that the news station covered it and they posted my video. They're like, hey, can we post your video? And I was like. I was like, yeah, sure, no problem. They posted my video and it's got more views than my video on my channel.
Speaker 3:It's got like seven I just made a whole bag for the news department. They made like $40,000 out of 7 million views or something like that 8 million views. But it was cool At the end of the day, I just wanted to. They work with that department and that police chief is still there and he definitely hates me there's no doubt about it in my mind and they still invited me to go speak there and put it on camera for the world to see. You know, to me that's integrity, that's integrity. And you know they were, they were willing to pay me and everything, and I said I don't want any money, I'll pay for my own way. It's fine, I appreciate the opportunity. I I don't want people to think, you know, I have no problem people taking money to speak at speaking engagements again capitalism.
Speaker 3:You know, make them all the money you can. But I I make enough money on my social media platforms that I don't, you know. Let's be honest. You know public agencies don't pay that much anyway, so it's not like I'm turning down a hefty amount of money, um. So you know they're I just don't want to take from their budget. I don't want to take any taxpayer money that way. I I think it's a good. It's like my way of thanking that department or that agency for saying let's work with somebody that we might not a hundred percent agree with or there's people here on our staff that don't agree with him and it might give us some backlash. But I think in the at the end of it, the way I tell law enforcement agencies when I speak to them, I'm like it's good publicity for you. Why are you? You you see the camera in my hand why not Like, if you're acting this bad on camera, I can only imagine what you're doing when the camera's not rolling.
Speaker 1:That makes that point all the time. It's your time to shine, right you?
Speaker 3:see the camera. It's not like it's some hidden button camera or something, or my glasses, you know. You see the camera in my hand and you're still acting like a dick.
Speaker 1:Imagine what you do after Somebody was pointing out my shirt. I just want to give a shout out because it's actually one of our sponsors. So check out the Retro Rifle, check out their shirts. Now, guys, what you can't see is the sprinkles on my shirt. They're bullets. So it's kind of. One of the cool things about Retro Rifle is they hide guns all over their stuff. Alan, one of our guys behind the scenes, he's wearing one of the dinosaur shirts, but yeah, they make Hawaiian shirts that have guns hidden all over them. So if you're a pro 2A person, I would imagine, sean, you being so pro 1A that you would respect the 2A as well.
Speaker 3:Of course, all constitutional rights. Yeah, brother, all constitutional rights. 14th Amendment, due process, every single constitutional right. This is America. If you can't respect the Constitution, I don't know what we're doing here. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1:I don't get it. I'm with you and I think, if we're going to make Matt and Banning, if we're going to get Sean to step up his game I mean he's been doing 1A fine I think he needs to combine 1 and 2.
Speaker 3:All right, I don't want to get shot.
Speaker 1:I'm going to zoom in on.
Speaker 4:Yeah, okay, I retract that because I he's a treasure to this, to this nation yeah, shout out to retro rifle.
Speaker 1:Uh, guys, check them out. Go to their website. Cool, get you a cool shirt, um, but yeah, let's. Uh, matt, I didn't want to press you too long so oh, I'll text him.
Speaker 4:I got a little bit more time.
Speaker 1:You got more time? Okay, cool. Yeah, I'll text him, tony, I knew you were a little time constrained. How?
Speaker 3:long do you guys usually go, bro? We just go, I know, we just go. Oh, we just go yeah.
Speaker 1:Normally we go about an hour and a half two hours, but we're really here for them. We're trying to answer their questions as we go and give them a chance. But with you on here there's a lot of people.
Speaker 4:We got the national treasure on tonight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody loves you, brother. So we want to make sure you get all the attention and answer the questions to your fans and the people from ours that may want to chat with you. But I also try to make.
Speaker 3:I just want to say really quickly Sorry, I just want to say I I can't see any super chat from my channel and I've received a bunch um and I just want to just just mention them because that's I think it's rude if I don't. Uh, lynn harris, thank you so much. Um, maury, thanks for the uh memberships. Uh, snickless, thank you so much, and that's it there you go.
Speaker 1:Yep, um, damn it, slow your roll, let me get. I was trying to read this one, nicholas 110,. He said you should try to get each police department that has arrested you to do a training or partner with someone that does training. It would be a big F you to those officers' egos when you walk in and explain constitutional rights. Yeah, it'd be kind of cool. We need.
Speaker 3:Matt to go over into every department and train every department, and I think that'd be cool. Oh, that'd be fun.
Speaker 1:That'd be a dream of mine. I'll go with you.
Speaker 3:I was an academy instructor man, and this is one of the things that I've been trying when I went down to Savannah, I brought my attorney, the former prosecutor Jacob Uriel, and he did it for free as well. Again, I'm not saying there can't be any money in it. Maybe there is money in it that you guys have to set aside money for training purposes. I mean, that's the whole point, and I think it would be good to have somebody with the right mindset. I've seen a training that happened in Florida where they were like the people are the enemy. It was like a pretty scary type of thing. Do you know what I'm talking about? It was like a it was. I got to look it up. It was I don't know what part of Florida, but it was some part of Florida that they did some training and I was like whoa.
Speaker 1:And they, the elite, like the video of the training and it was basically just like that. People are the enemy.
Speaker 1:You know your only job is to go home safe to your family, f everyone else like craziness and I'm like, wow, I fully admit that is the mantra in policing to go home to your family. And I don't disagree with that necessarily, because there's plenty of examples of cops getting ambushed, attacked, shot at. I mean, look what just happened in Idaho. Firefighters, firefighters, everybody loves firefighters and they're out there trying to fight a wildfire in Idaho and they're getting sniped. It was set up. So I'm like, damn, and they shot. People responded to that. So I'm like, yeah, you should go home safe, but not at the expense of violating somebody's rights.
Speaker 10:Right.
Speaker 1:Like for sure Right.
Speaker 3:Listen, we talk about officer safety like I've talked about a lot. On my channel I hear it a lot. It's a lot, it's talked about a lot and the reason why it really matters to me in a legal context is that it's used a lot to hamper our constitutional rights. Officer safety is used to hamper and limit our rights and I think that's a problem. Everybody wants, I mean, officer safety. Everybody's supposed to be safe. Everybody wants everybody safe. Let's all be safe. I mean I want officers to be safe. I want, you know, the members of the public to be safe. Again, if you just look at it objectively, statistically, you know officers are killing people more than people are killing officers, whether that's. You know, there's nuance there. Again, I want to again nuance, that's the word of the day. But again, you know officer safety. I think that you know the Pennsylvania v Mims is a horrible decision. Personally, only because what do you do? Yeah, it's too vague, like oh, just step out of the car. How many times has an officer told to my step out of the car?
Speaker 4:and it made the situation more dangerous for the officer because they tell me how many times they've done it just because their ego, their feelings were hurt.
Speaker 3:Hey step out of the car why? Because I said so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think they do.
Speaker 3:They're not using that off with safety. They're just doing it because they can, and that's why we came up with attorney shield too. It's one of the companies that I'm a co-founder of and I wanted to. I've seen so many videos of people getting their windows busted, dragged out of the car, tased, all because maybe they had a broken taillight but because the officer told me to get out the car, and they're like I'm not getting out of the car. They don't know that this case law exists, and which. I don't blame people. You know there's a lot of cops that don't know the law, case law, so you know they don't know, and then they get their window broken and they get put in the uh, they get put, they get taken to jail and they have their rights violated. You know, that's why I'm it's partnered with lackluster. You see lackluster's logo right there. That's my uh, it's my guy right there, lackluster. He's a shout out to.
Speaker 1:Lackluster yeah, good dude, We've highlighted his video before. I wanted to shout out to Ben Thank you for the $5. He said we need more chats like this. Thank you, gentlemen. I'm glad you guys are kind of getting the point of what we're trying to do 100%.
Speaker 1:Appreciate that. And then there was another one. We had a $50 donation, which was amazing. I want to highlight Lynn Harris Graylin and she said hi, sean, thank you for protecting my rights and for all the hard work and sacrifices, love and respect from Florida. Thank you, lynn. That's awesome. Thank you so much. And then I wanted this was a good question, mr Perlove11 said.
Speaker 1:Question for the cops. Has there been a time in your profession that afterwards you said you didn't make the right decision? I will tell you yes. For me, um, I have. There's been times that I've arrested the male during a domestic and come to find out he was set up and I had just went with the well, dude guys, you know, I felt, for the guys can usually do the most damage da, da, da, da, da da. And I just took him because I didn't want to dig far enough like I should have. I was young, I had not had much experience in dealing with people's relationship issues. I mean, how much does a 20-year-old really have to deal with somebody else's you know, 15 year developing relationship issues? So I ended up taking the guy and it turns out that the female was the aggressor and she was setting him up for trying to get child support and stuff like that. But what about you, matt?
Speaker 4:I mean there's, there's different variables. I mean you, you, you're always if you're presented. You got to go off the information you're presented at the time and there's been times where I go back oh, you learned something different. Yeah, some witness comes for us. Okay, maybe that was, but, but there's no, it's always in good faith and I've never yeah I guess I should say that it wasn't like anything malicious.
Speaker 1:I wasn't like intentionally fucking up it, just I learned. I learned a lot, you know, the more I went and I screwed up. I've screwed up a lot, like I've made some dumb decisions, you know, like, yeah, basing, you know, chasing a car, I'm right on his butt, he took off, he went down a a ramp. I was done like he, I couldn't keep, I couldn't stay with him because I was too close, you know. And then afterwards I'm kicking myself because the guy ends up committing two robberies later on. You're like, damn, if I knew better and backed off and didn't chase so hard, like I could have maybe stayed with them. And so, yeah, tons of regrets in this, this career. It sucks, man. Um, but all with a good heart I'll. I'll say that I've always had a good heart about the stuff that I've done, banning you oh, absolutely.
Speaker 6:You know, I definitely can't walk on water with my decisions and I've learned from my decisions, um, and in training in the beginning, and I'm sure I've made other decisions. You know that could have been done better. That I don't even know about, but I take everything with a grain of salt. You've got to become better each and every day, especially if you have that badge on and we do have a broken chain link. And I'm not blaming the academies, but I believe the academies need to be a lot better at fixing this problem at hand. I mean, that's where it's coming from.
Speaker 6:But, a big problem in the academies of not getting that knowledge to these recruits before they get out there. I mean the First Amendment auditors I mean Sean could probably answer this the best. I don't even know when the first successful First Amendment auditor was. That was out there, but that started changing the game right there for law enforcement that truly wanted to go out there and pardon the term of serve and protect. It's exposing the problem that is out there. Not even all law enforcement knew that problem was going on but it made them go. Hmm, we need to fix this. What are we doing to screw things up? And and that's why I love the fact that these successful first amendment auditors go out there they're exposing a problem. You know, and I know it's more than the first amendment, but kudos to guys like Sean and others that are doing that, especially the ones that have taken this as a career.
Speaker 6:That's a bold move, just like it's a bold move to go in law enforcement. You better bring a hundred percent of your of your heart and your brain into this. If you're going to get into it just like, if you're going to do it as a first amendment honor, because it's gotta be just watching that video of you and all those corrections officers or deputies or whatever the hell they were running out at you. You know I'm a big guy. I'm approaching 300 pounds. I'm over six feet tall. If I had that many, he's big, running at me, a cop for 21 years. I'm gonna. I'm probably gonna start stuttering like Are they about to shoot? Are they about to beat me on the baton?
Speaker 4:Getting some connection issues with you Banning. How do we go ahead, matt? How do we audit the academies? Who's in charge of making sure that they're teaching the right things? Because stuff that Colin, sean and A-Hole in the academy I can't stop thinking about that. You're leading how many astray by doing that he's doing a legal activity like that. How do we audit them? Is that the DOJ? Does anybody know?
Speaker 3:I guess it would depend on each agency there's got to be. That's why it's hard, because there's not a lot of oversight when it comes to law enforcement. There's a lot of critics, there's a lot of people who are commenting, but there's not a lot of oversight and you know when it's, a lot of the times it's always dependent on, like, the police chief. If you have a good police chief, you have a good culture of the department. You know I've seen firsthand where that department will respond in such a better way. I've seen firsthand where that department will respond in such a better way. Smaller departments tend to, you know, depending on the location and again, their culture and their police chief, tend to do better on audits than a larger department with much more resources. Hubbard Police Department is a great department. They were the first in the whole country. I've never seen an auditor if there was, I don't know of them, but I've never seen an auditor work with a police department in a training recorded before the Howard Police Department. That's a police department of like 50 officers, so it's a small police department, but they had the courage to say, hey, we want to work with you, we want to collaborate, and it opened up. I believe that video is like 500,000 views on. It has opened up so many doors, not to myself, in order to go to speak at different um different agencies, but it was such a bold move that I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3:You know, detective sergeant michael banik, till this day, is a dear friend of mine. He's a great guy, great moral character. Um, I've met his wife. We've went out to dinner. You know, these are people that I truly hold close to me and people would think would think a lot of these ignorant people who just see my videos on clips or they don't see the whole context, they don't know what I'm about. They'll be like you hate the police. Some of my closest friends are law enforcement officers, attorneys, district attorneys. These are people I love, people who are willing to learn and we can grow together and we can have good conversations.
Speaker 1:Eric, we had a conversation for two hours on the phone, two hours y'all I'm not joking, we talked for two fucking hours yeah, I'm just again, when you have a good conversation doesn't feel like two hours so no, not at all
Speaker 3:you know, it doesn't feel like two hours, so it was good, and my whole point is to bridge the gap. Educate, educate, bring awareness to it. I'm not here to advocate for getting rid of law enforcement. Again, these are such ignorant concepts, in my opinion. They're such ignorant concepts. We need law and order in the country. Somebody breaks into your house, somebody does this, somebody steals your car. How are you going to find the guy who stole your car? You're to call law enforcement. Right, I have no. You know, somebody had stolen my car a year or two ago. I had to call law enforcement. You know, I, I don't you know I've been playing.
Speaker 1:If I would have called them they'd be like give us a half hour, we'll figure out who took it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, they they've never did and they never care. I knew they weren't going to. I just wrote a, a statement. I said here you go, here it is. I need this for insurance. You know, I know you guys aren't going to do it Because my local law enforcement we have like a love-hate relationship, like they were my first video here, suffolk County Police Department. And they are really, oh, suffolk County.
Speaker 1:The big red patches right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, big red patches. I looked up their salaries just a year ago and the highest guy was getting like 400, 000, uh, 300, 250.
Speaker 3:They're getting a lot of cost for living. Yeah, I mean it's expensive out here, it's, it's, it is expensive. But I I don't know any professions other than law enforcement that pay that. Well, maybe something in the medical field, I don't know. But holy, there was a and he was just like a sergeant or something. It wasn't even anything crazy, I don't even. I remember I was like, wow, 400 grand. Yeah, that's pretty crazy, like you know, isn't that what the president makes like, yeah, it was. It was wild to me. But yeah, they get paid pretty good, especially nassau and suffolk. They have so much, they have huge budgets, nassau county under. And again, this is why it's dangerous when you have a high.
Speaker 3:This guy, the police commissioner, patrick Psycho-Ryder, he has this budget, billions of. He has a facility, a 35,000-square-foot facility, an intelligence facility. Like what? Like it's Nassau County, like you need a 35,000-square-foot intelligence facility, like what are you even doing there? And he's the guy if you're not're not familiar. He sent over. They got a bogus warrant from a judge for criminal trespassing again, bad faith, totally wrong. And I have I have a lot of sources in that department and he hates that. I know all of his little meetings that he has everything that he does. But he because people really respect what I do and they, they want to come out and say something but they're terrified of this guy. He's a lot of power. He's trying to kill people before. This guy's an insane, a police commissioner, one of the highest funded, highest paid, most powerful police departments in the country and it's insane.
Speaker 3:He sent two masked men. I'm driving home from 7-eleven and I see this honda civic it was like a 1995 Honda Civic and it goes to pull right in front of me and hit me and I pull out of the way, I go in my neighbor's yard and I keep going to my house and I run into my house. I was like what's going on here? Then two masked guys get out of the car and this 1995 Honda Civic, no lights, and they run up and they were barely masked. And then they see my security cameras and then they're like they put up the mask all the way up to there. It was a friday night. What I was told to my sources is he sent these guys across county lines, didn't even notify on a, on a on a low level misdemeanor warrant. You guys are cops do you cross, send you know masked men in, in, in no unmarked vehicles for across lines for a low-level misdemeanor warrant.
Speaker 3:No you don't.
Speaker 1:I'm going to look Immediately. I'm going to say what's he wanted for I'm going to look at the warrant.
Speaker 3:Criminal trespass. I'm going to go. What's next? How?
Speaker 4:many guys ended up going up there that day.
Speaker 3:There was two of them and then eventually again I got sources in a bunch of departments. They didn't even let the Suffolk County Police Department know I own a rental property and they were literally. They pulled over one of my tenants, thinking it was me, for no reason, he didn't do anything wrong, pulled him over Again. These are Nassau County cops making traffic stops in Suffolk County with masks, like just it's like his goon squad that he has and that's how you know they're wrong. They left, they ended up leaving and they didn't break the door then do anything. They ended up leaving and they never came back. They never came back. They left and never came back.
Speaker 3:If the warrant I, I was, already had an open case with them. I had an attorney. They knew who I. Obviously they know who I am. They could have said hey, you know we have another warrant for you for x, y and z. You know, schedule a time to turn yourself in.
Speaker 3:No, but the whole point of what they did was to try and intimidate me and my family. My family was terrified. Imagine my wife seeing two masked men just in regular clothes, just masked up, look like any, like any sort of criminal, in front of our house looking for me no badge, no, nothing, no lights out, irons, anything. My wife was terrified and it's because they wanted to arrest me on friday so I had to sit for the weekend and it was to punish me, um, for going against you know, and talking about him or whatever, and they just it, just. All they do is just make it worse and worse for themselves and and and make me want to continue to expose whatever it is that they're trying to hide, because he has a lot to hide, that guy, and again, I've never heard of anything like it on a. This is when I'm telling you a misdemeanor warrant. I'm telling you, like a Class C in New York State, it is low-level misdemeanor warrant. You're not going across county lines for that warrant unless Right.
Speaker 1:You're not going across county lines for that warrant, unless right you're not going across city lines.
Speaker 4:You're not going across the street for that right, we don't have time.
Speaker 1:Okay, I want to get. We got a lot of questions um saved up here, so I want to let's knock down some of those um right before we do guys, I just want to put it out there for our guys and then you know, everybody else that's attached to this um, matt banning me, a whole slew of people. We're hoping we haven't pitched it to sean yet. I don't want to put him on the spot, but we're hoping we can get him involved as well. We got something out there. It's a new network that we're trying to do where we highlight exactly what we're doing matt himself is going to create. We're going to get Matt his own show where he talks about these tough discussions and stuff like that. We plan to have Sean on that. We plan to have a lot of the Sean I'm sorry, matt's actually got good connections with, you know, former felons that have, you know, turned their life around and stuff like that or have been treated wrong by the system.
Speaker 3:I know my father's business right? Yeah, yeah, I love it, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. You're doing we plan on getting.
Speaker 1:Uh, we plan on getting shows and stuff. We got big plans for this and it's all coming through. Um, dtv it's uh, it's brand new. We're getting this going. Um, we got matt on board. We got a big pocket of people of of cops from all around the nation uh, involved in this as long as community, along with community leaders and stuff like that through.
Speaker 1:Like what I said, what Matt's got going on, what I've got going on, um, this is not a cop echo chamber. That's the exact opposite of what we want. We want exactly what we're doing on the show right now. Um, we just want to have more people um, be the voice of it other than than me. I don't need to be the voice of it. Matt can be a voice. Banning can be a voice than me. I don't need to be the voice of it. Matt can be a voice, banning can be a voice. We want to share that and we want to have these tough conversations all across the way, and DTV is where we're getting that started. So, if you guys get the chance and you want to support, just log in, join, follow what we got going on. I think we got some exciting things. Matt, you pretty excited about that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I booked my first podcast sit-down in two weeks, did you? Nice, I got a studio and everything.
Speaker 1:Oh, look at you man.
Speaker 4:Right in the middle of the city. I got Oscars as my first guest.
Speaker 1:Oh, really, I love it. Hell, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Okay, now, before we get to that, let me get to some of these questions, because I know people have been asking uh, let me get to this one, because he's popped it up like eight times scar. It's policy to shave. Why don't you shave? Listen, it's not policy to shave. Where I'm at, I'm allowed to have a beard and I'm gonna have a beard because I've never been able to have one up until like policy. Yeah, they lifted that policy maybe three years ago, four years ago, and I'm trying to look my best yellowstone.
Speaker 1:I can look, we wear cowboy hats where I'm at, so it's silly to worry about those things I know now, to be fair, I'm still in the military, so once a year I do have to shave for 24 days and I look like you look so ridiculous I do. He's got his rad me so bad. You look so harmless, good I should look harmless. So let me see, sean, this one's for you, right? Zilla says Sean, do you ever plan to stop, or will you do this as long as you can?
Speaker 3:a very busy family life, personal life, um, you know, I just take it day to day and obviously I'm gonna do this for as long as I can um, I don't know how long this is. How long it. It does take a lot out of me. It's a lot of traveling, um, it's a lot of being by myself, you know, and I miss my family. I'm traveling around the whole country. I've been from everywhere, from hawaii, cal, new York, florida and everywhere in between, louisiana, texas. I haven't been to certain areas of Texas, but I've been to San Antonio. At the end of the day, I'm going to do it for as long as I can. I love doing what I do. I love the excitement of it. It's very exciting to be able to educate people, but I might eventually switch over to more like a lackluster style where I just, you know, review videos, help future auditors.
Speaker 5:Um, that would be awesome, that'd be cool maybe do some sort of training for auditors.
Speaker 3:Uh, you know there's a lot of things I can work on. I also would love to get into not anytime soon, but I would love to get into public service. I would love to. You know that my town here is horrible, and maybe a town supervisor, county executive, something like that utilize the amount of support and name recognition that I have in order to help the people from inside the government. And you know, film, for example, film my entire day as a county executive, as a town supervisor, where you could see, minute by minute, hour by hour of my entire day, what I'm doing.
Speaker 3:No other politician would ever do that. No, you know they don't want you to see when they're just not doing anything for hours or days at a time. I want to go there and say, hey, what do you guys do? What do what does a town supervisor do? You know you get paid $150,000 a year. You know how are you making the resident's lives better. I don't know he makes my life better and I've gone to meetings, I've talked to him. I don't know what he does. So maybe public service one day, hopefully. And you gotta be the governor of New York. Let me work my way up there. I think that'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 1:That'd be fun. Super chat a $5 donation. Thank you very much, said. X-man said been watching your videos since I was 14. Love the videos. Keep it up, good work. Talking about you, sean, they ain't talking about me, thank you. Yeah, we ain't been up that long.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Let me keep going down the line here. Mag dump said two cops, one donut panel. What do you say to 12 month Academy and two weeks dedicated to refresher training, ever every six months? I'm not sure what refresher training we're talking about, but I do think the longer an Academy, the better. Where I'm not sure what refresher training we're talking about, um, but I do think the longer an Academy, the better, um, where I'm at it's about eight months, um, and it's that's a good Academy. Could it be longer? I think so. Um, I'm a big fan the longer, the longer, and the more training you get before you get out there, the better. But you do have number problems and that's where the battle always begins. How short handed are your cops versus how well trained do you want them to be?
Speaker 6:Yeah, and and and. Here in Texas we have what's called the Texas commission on law enforcement and education, tico, and it's out of Austin and it's the the, the top dog on on making sure that we do everything in the Academy, all the basic stuff that we have what's called continuing education and, at least when I was in Texas, is one of the higher. What is it? 40 continuation hours, eric. It's been a while since I've-.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got your 40 hours and then your legislative updates.
Speaker 6:Yeah, each two-year cycle that you have to do, and there's a lot of states that don't have anywhere near that. I'm not saying Texas is better than anybody. Matter of fact, t Cole down in Austin was actually completely redone with leadership in the past couple of years and it's visible. I mean, there's a lot of great folks in that office right now trying to make it better for the citizens, and that's a good step forward.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can never go wrong with longer training, I really. I mean as long as the training's good with longer training, I really I mean as long as the training's good you don't, it's important.
Speaker 1:It's gotta be effective, it's gotta be good training. Yeah, absolutely. Um, one of my favorite things there's a scenario that we do um at our Academy and it's uh, uh, it's um, a loud music party. So we have a whole mock city where I'm at, like, we have really good training. So so this whole mock city and it's an apartment and it's like a fake party is going on. So you got a bunch of actors and they're all cops, so they know how to push your buttons because they've seen other people try to push our buttons.
Speaker 1:So the thing that we'll do is this is loud party going on, and we make the recruits, the rookies we're trying to see if they're going to put their foot in the door, try to stop the person from shutting the door.
Speaker 1:And I mean it's like a scared straight program. If you pass awesome, good job, that's what you're supposed to do Next. If you put your foot in the door or you try to stop the door, holy shit, it is like a shark attack when drill instructors in basic training are coming after you knife-handed, because we want you to be so overwhelmed and understand how bad you just messed up, that you just violated somebody's rights because you broke the threshold of somebody's most sacred place, their home, and I think that's an important thing to do and I think you need to have that shock value and go through every amendment except the third amendment, because that I mean you're trying to order in your house. Um, I mean, you never know. I guess you know, be fresh up at it, but um, yeah, that's all my beef with the training is not enough.
Speaker 4:About the constitution, right?
Speaker 1:what do they do, man? They block train it was.
Speaker 3:Do they not teach you guys about raz in the academy? I feel like no one knows what that means. Like I'm like hey, you know, you need reasonable, articulable suspicion of a crime. And they're like what's that? And I'm like what it seems like reasonable, articulable suspicion should be the bedrock of any law enforcement officer's career, because it really dictates what you can do. Like it dictates how you're going to move forward with this call. You guys get calls all the time. Hey, this person's over here walking around my parking lot and you go and you interact with this person and you need to understand that. And I feel like a lot of officers that I've come in contact with across the country don't understand what that is.
Speaker 1:I'm about to go off on a tangent, so buckle up real quick. I've done this one before, but I want to do it for your audience as well, okay, so here's something to consider Now. I've been an academy instructor and I've gotten to train across the nation and see all these different types of training that people do, and a lot of times what I'm seeing is block training, and that's what I was just about to talk with with Matt. The best academy style I've seen is a progressive training. You start out with the most basic stuff and it builds up, and it builds up and it builds up for that whole eight months until you're taking the most complicated of calls, but it's still applying everything you learned at the beginning.
Speaker 1:What block training often does is, let's say, we're going over the Constitution for the first two weeks. We don't touch the Constitution again the entire academy until you take your test. We don't touch the constitution again the entire academy until you take your test. We don't touch um control tactics. You do it for you do handcuffing and searching for two weeks and then you don't touch it again. That's block training. And then you've got the difference in academy time. Like I told you guys, where I'm at it's about eight months, but there's other academies that are four months and there's other academies besides that are six weeks, because they let a military idiot get in there that thinks that he knows how to be a cop because he was a military cop. So he lateral transfers and uses his creds and now he knows how to be a cop. And that is what that, that Joffrey fuck did.
Speaker 1:I think like a problem.
Speaker 3:I think that's what you're doing. That seems like a problem, like a problem. I think that's what you're off doing. That seems like a problem, because how can you just again not in the military, not a cop? But I would think that those are completely different jobs. Like you're dealing with the military and versus yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's part of my problem. Now I I can say this shit because I'm bald, excuse me, and it pisses. It pisses off military cops that want to go out and be a civilian cop and and I'm telling them you're not ready. You're not ready, you're not ready to be a cop. You need to go through a full academy. And they don't like that because they think, because they're a cop on the base, that they know how to do this stuff and they don't. And so this is my problem with the academies.
Speaker 1:When we get into, what you're talking about, sean, is you have these people that they get this block training, they get RAS training, let's say, and then they go into a city where they've got 10, 20 cops at most. What's the worst crime that you see in a city of 10 to 20 cops? Speeding, and then all of a sudden, a guy like Sean shows up, or just anybody, regular old Joe that actually is maybe borderline committing a crime. Whatever it is. They don't know how to handle it because they haven't touched it since the academy and it hasn't happened around them in the last two years. That's where you get all these tiktok cops. They have the time to film themselves doing bullshit and then when a real crime happens in front of them, they can't handle it, because if you don't use it, you'll lose it. Sean, do you agree with that? I think if you get basic training in something and you don't touch it again, it's a perishable skill.
Speaker 6:It's got to be ongoing and ongoing and ongoing. And if your department is not offering that, you better be doing it on your frigging own.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's a good point is that there's a lot of times where it's your job and, whether they're offering it or not, it's up to you to make sure that you're educated on the law. I mean, if I was a guy, I would want to be educated on at least the basic law. It's not that hard, I mean. It's not that hard to understand reasonable, articulable suspicion of a crime. It's not a crazy concept to get your head around and wrap your mind around. It's a pretty easy concept, at least to me, and it's one that you'd probably use on on a call, any call that you have like do I have reason of article suspicion? This person is going to commit a crime, has committed a crime, um, or is about to commit a crime, right, so it? I don't really I don't understand.
Speaker 3:It seems like a a real big problem in law enforcement. I was like you know, hey, he, hey, he's like, give me your ID when a police. A lot of times they'll say you know, when a police officer asks for your ID, you have to give him your ID. I'm like, but who taught you that? Like, who gave you that information that just because you have a badge, you can just ask people for their ID or demand, not ask. Because you can ask, right, you can ask anybody for their ID. But to demand someone's ID just because you're a cop, no, no, no no, no, because they were called there.
Speaker 1:Right, we got a call. We got a call.
Speaker 3:Right, we got a call. You get the same ID Right. Right, we got a call. That's not the way it works. And a lot of these agencies from everywhere I've been and I've seen a bunch of different agencies over the last four years, from small town cops to large agencies like the NYPD or LAPD, and they all have similar actions and knowledge of like, hey, give me your ID.
Speaker 3:And I don't even understand what the crazy obsession is with ID. Like that would be, like maybe something I would get at the end of me talking to you, not at very beginning. And they always say, like, well, I need to know who I'm talking to. Well, I mean, do you does, looking at my id, tell you who you're talking to? It tells you a name, a date of birth and you know, yeah, you could run me for warrants or whatever, I guess. But you know, just because I don't have warrants doesn't mean I'm not a danger to you. I could be a complete psychopath without warrants. How many times do school shooters all the worst people you've ever seen have a clean record and there's nothing wrong and they just go out and they commit heinous crimes? Your ID doesn't tell you who that person is as a person. Talking to them would do a lot better, I think.
Speaker 1:Having a dialogue when you said that I got chills because you know that sexy bald man sitting in the corner right there.
Speaker 3:That's a Matt statement right there, I love the line on a lot of things, man he's a good dude man, I love Matt, I love what he does.
Speaker 3:I do, too, I want to promote his you know, the, the uh, my father's business and what he he does so much good work in his community. Man, I would love to come out. I told you, matt, told you on the phone the other day, I would love to come out and meet the kids that you got, that you work with. I'd love to hang out with you guys get pizza, I don't know, whatever it is, I, I, I want to be a part of it. Man, you know, from the moment I met you, I thought you were doing great work over there. You know, because that's because you're trying to change something. It's more than just. You know, not only using your platform on, you know, tiktok, youtube, everywhere you are, instagram to, you know, bring awareness of these sort of issues in law enforcement, but you're actually out there in your city, man. You love your city, you love your community, man, and there's nothing better than that to me.
Speaker 1:Like you know, by example, god bless, yeah, lead by example. And that and that is what we are trying to do here is lead by example. What's funny, sean, you did the little backstory between matt and I is his people that follow him and my people that follow me. We're constantly like on the youtube channel. I'm like you got to talk to matt thornton, you got to talk to matt thornton. His guys were like you talk to levine, you got to talk to levine. And finally we kind of like you and I on the phone call me and Matt ended up hitting it off and talking for quite a long time and then we talked again and then me and Matt were both doing research on each other behind the scenes, trying to figure out like, is this guy full of shit? Is he nuts? Like what's the deal? And here we are.
Speaker 9:You know who I called Izzo.
Speaker 1:Oh Dominic, yeah, dominic, izzo, oh Dominic. Dominic is the top of Izzo. Guys, make sure you guys pay attention to Izzo.
Speaker 4:I've been on his channel before. Yeah, oh yeah, Sean was on Izzo's.
Speaker 3:I've been on his channel before. We had a good conversation.
Speaker 1:He's out there saying shit.
Speaker 3:I'm the other guy I got to bring on the channel.
Speaker 4:I like you know he's definitely different.
Speaker 1:He's like hilarious to me, he's like you say things that I can't say, but I want to say Thank you and I hope everybody understands that there's just limited things that we can say on certain things. One day when we're retired we can amp it up, but right now we got families.
Speaker 4:I'm trying to get fired, Eric, I know right.
Speaker 1:I know. But us being in the industry, this is how we affect change, because we're still in it. So I can still like all this. I can tell you I've become 10 times the cop I ever was, simply by starting this show, because I listen to the feedback and I take that A lot of my roll call training is stuff that we've discussed on the show and I'm like listen, guys, this is the things that you need to pay attention to. So dead leg yeah, dead leg is one of the guys behind the scene. He's no longer a cop, so he can't get fired either. There he goes. Let's go to the comments.
Speaker 1:Mr Billfold said how difficult is it to understand how trespassing works? Fourth grade social studies is more complicated, yet many cops are clueless when enforcing it. Yeah, yeah, we hit on the common misconceptions with trespass. Um, we had a super chat from no sheep designs. I like that. Uh, ten dollar donation first off. Thank you very much. Um said this crew needs to start training departments across the country. If those bozos on street cop training can make a ton of money doing it, you can too. Flix Flux said I totally get it. I'm retired and the knowledge is open source. Now my knowledge is open source. I love it.
Speaker 1:Let me keep going through the comments. I just want to make sure the people that want to talk to you, sean, are getting their questions in, because you graced us with your presence tonight. Sir, I like this one Hard to fix a broken system, guys. Sorry, that's why you still run into problems. So it's obviously better to just capture the ignorance. Agreed, but as I've said repeatedly on this show, I'm an optimist to a fault. So I don't care if it's an uphill battle, I don't care how hard it seems. I'm going to keep doing the mission. I'm going to keep trying to help, even if you guys tell me you know I'm a wave crashing against the rock. I'm going to keep wearing the rock down. I don't care.
Speaker 4:What keeps you going is and I remember going on Sean's show and I got so much clap back from cops and, oh my gosh, I couldn't even begin to tell you how much I took for that um but at the same time I get inboxed from so many young officers that, hey, I just got hired, I want to. I want to do exactly police, exactly how you do. I want your attitude. So you got to celebrate those wins and it's uh, that's what keeps you going yeah, I totally agree, matt.
Speaker 3:You know I get a lot of good messages from cops, from just regular people who are learning, and you know that. You know, hey, you know you've helped me. You know you helped me on my lunch break. You know you helped me. I went through a bad week this week and just watching your videos, it was it really knowing that you're doing something productive and you're helping people out there whether it's law enforcement or just the general public and you're doing something that's going to help society and the community. Really help go on, because I get a lot of hate as well from different people across the country, from cops, former cops and just regular what I call bootlickers. A bootlicker is not somebody who supports police.
Speaker 3:I guess it's okay when I say that word too. A bootlicker is somebody who supports the police, no matter what. That's what makes you a bootlicker, and it's not just police. You could be a government supporter. Again, I don't talk about politics. What I believe is that and I'll just say this quickly is that what I believe. It's not left and right, it's up and down and it's about economic status. It's not about your political affiliation, it's about dividing.
Speaker 3:We, the people, and keeping us divided so that way, because united we're strong we need to come together, we need to come together and united we're strong. And the people who are in power know this and that's why they want to keep us fighting with each other about these stupid issues. That we could find common ground on a like law enforcement you know I I'm a back the blue person, you know I'm an ACAB person no, let's meet in the middle somewhere, like, let's meet in the middle. How about fighting, find some common ground and actually get some things done in law enforcement? Because we're too busy fighting and these problems keep persisting and there is no accountability in law enforcement. I think all the, I think a lot of this will be cleared up, because ego is going to be everywhere. People are going to be poorly trained everywhere. I think if just we had accountability across the board, a lot of these departments would would straighten up If you broke the law, federal law, violating somebody's rights.
Speaker 3:If you violate someone's rights and you're immediately fired no ifs ands or buts, like it's clear cut. You violated somebody's rights, hey, we got to let you go. If a Walmart employee yells at me when I'm going to buy my groceries and I'm shopping at Walmart, they're going to be fired. It doesn't matter if they had a bad, they're not going to tell their manager hey, I had a bad day today. Well, I'm sorry about that, but you can't talk to customers that way. You're fired. And when Walmart and McDonald's and these entry-level jobs have higher standards than law enforcement, who have the authority to uphold the law? That's a problem. That's a problem. We need high standards, not low standards.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely, I agree.
Speaker 3:I'm getting tired over here guys.
Speaker 1:Sorry about that, you guys, I don't go this far normally Hard to stop dude when the conversation is great.
Speaker 8:I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1:You got lots of cool comments, like this one Billboard Nerds. He said, Sean, when are you coming to Vegas?
Speaker 3:I want to see how officers respond and handle it out here. Compared to the smaller cities. I've been to Vegas. I didn't go to Vegas for work, though. I went to Vegas with my wife for her 30th birthday and I promised myself I wouldn't work, so I did not do anything. I saw there's a lot of police activity over there, but I did not engage in any auditing activities in Vegas. But I have been there, but I plan on going back. You know I'll be everywhere at least twice. I want to go everywhere, from Alaska everywhere. I've been to Hawaii. That was a really cool trip. People in Hawaii are great. I've been at a military base in Hawaii where the guy was like hey, I watch your videos. Again, when I run into people who have seen my videos, that really like it's like wow, that's pretty cool, like because even till you know you would think that I'd be used to it by now, but you know, with the amount of support I have and subscribers, but till this day, like somebody comes up to me like, hey, can I get a picture with you? I'm like that's really cool.
Speaker 3:I was at a live stream at a correctional facility. I was doing a lot. It was live and this guy pulled up I'm in the middle of nowhere, upstate new york. These correctional facilities, like are the economy for these little small towns, like that's how it works. Like these towns wouldn't exist if this correctional facility didn't exist. And this guy did not mean the parking lot was we, the people had. And he's like hey, can you sign my hat? And I'm like, oh, he's like I was watching your live stream. I saw you were down here. I wanted to come down here and and it's cool, it's cool to see. And it still, to this day, surprises me. I mean, I went to puerto rico on vacation too, and I'm at the rental car place. My son, my 11 year old son's like hey, dad, do you think anybody's gonna recognize him? Like, nah, I don't think so. I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna keep a low key. And he's like, as soon as we go out of the airport to the rental car agency is like hey, what's up?
Speaker 8:long I went on it.
Speaker 3:I love it if you see me in public, don't be shy. I love taking pictures, I love hanging out like have a conversation, it's fine no big deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, listen, see, this is the type of shit that I love. This is why I do what I do. We've got number for two months, level six uh donut says I feel under trained by my police department um, only four months long. Thank you, guys, for doing what y'all do Like that's that makes what we do worth it, right there, because if they took something from this conversation we had.
Speaker 3:If one person learned something from me, if one law enforcement officer said you know what, let's you know I think I could. I can control my emotions. I got to get my ego in check. Maybe I do again. Self-reflection isn't a problem, guys. Like you know, I do it all the time. I reflect on things that I'm doing wrong in my personal life, that I'm doing wrong. I've made plenty of bad decisions in my life. It's how you recover from those decisions. We don't no one's perfect, you know. We need to acknowledge our mistakes and fix them critically, think about them and move forward. No one's going to hold it against you unless you do something crazy, you know. Just do the right thing, moving forward.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's one of the things that we need to pay attention to. That triggers ego and I just want to put this out there again. This is part of the class that we put on for our rookies and recruits, is that? A lot of times, the trigger for ego is unmet expectations. Think about that, unmet expectations. Think about that, unmet expectations.
Speaker 1:I asked Sean for his ID and he's like what do I need to give you my ID for? What am I used to? When I ask for ID, I get it. He gives me an unmet expectation and I got to check my ego right there. It's a natural human reaction when you get an unmet expectation for that triggered response. And once you are educated on it and you don't have an excuse now, if you're listening to this, I just told you, unmet expectations trigger ego. It's a natural human reaction. So now that you know that, understand why did I just get mad all of a sudden? Oh shit, I expected him to give me the id and he didn't. Now I need to understand why he didn't give me that. Oh, I don't have raz. I don't have a reason to id him. Okay, that makes sense. Now I understand why he said what he said to me because I overstepped. I asked. He said no, cool like this I can ask.
Speaker 3:But he said no, you go out of the way and then a lot of times they don't know where to go from there. They're like wait what you know. They go, wait a minute. This is my script. I get there, I say hey, let's get your IDs. And then they get the IDs and I run the IDs and they said no, and I don't have reasonable, particular suspicion of a crime. So it's like they get in an uncomfortable position. I can, I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of the person right Of the law enforcement.
Speaker 3:I'm like hey, what do I do now? They said no, and I can't force them.
Speaker 1:This is a good question for you. Bryant Bush spent five bucks in the super chat. Thank you, bryant, but this one's for you, sean. He said there are new videos every day of bad behavior, making it seem like nothing has changed. Have you seen improvement since you started your activism?
Speaker 3:I think I have, I think I have seen improvement from and it's crazy because I think that it's it's a lot of these smaller auditor channels and you know these activists out there that they're they're doing what they're what they're doing and I don't criticize anybody. You have a first amendment right to curse at the police. You have a first amendment right to call it cops, pigs. That's your right. Who am I to say that you don't have that right? That I don't think it's a productive use of your language as a difference of whether I think that it's productive to you know, solving the problem but I fully support your right to curse out the police and use profanity and do that. That's fine. You can do it all day long and it's up to law enforcement to understand that. And again, if you don't want people calling you pigs and do it, you could have chose a job being a paramedic, like you knew what you were doing, like let's not, let's not kid ourselves here. You knew that people don't like the police. Um, you know, when you took that job, if you wanted people to love, you could have been a firefighter. Everybody loves a firefighter, right? So you know, fuck off, you're gonna face criticism. You gotta learn how to deal with that criticism. You you got to.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, you know, I I definitely have seen a lot. I, I've seen it across the country. I've seen it. You know, I've gone to mississippi or somewhere else and there were somebody where they wouldn't even know about these things. Like, oh, I've seen these videos before and you know, it kind of takes away from it my, you know, I should say my popularity kind of takes away from it a little bit, because it'd be like I recognize that voice, I recognize you, like I know who you are. You're Long Island audit. I behave a little bit differently, yeah, and it's not. I don't want somebody to change their behavior because of who I am. I want them to change their behavior because it's lawful, it's the right thing to do and it's lawful, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm with you. Lazar photography said. Much love, sean from Utica, new York. You set the bar for how auditors should be and act. Love your content. Thank you, appreciate it. Did you like that? John Griggs did five bucks on a super chat X cop. Here. It's not a training issue or more training, it's qualified immunity and bad cops keeping their retirement. That will change things. Matt.
Speaker 3:Amen, because consequences, right Consequences for your actions is what's and the crazy part is, that's what law enforcement is all about. You're holding people accountable for their actions, yet you're not held accountable for your actions most of the time. Again, nuance, the word of the day, nuance.
Speaker 1:I like it. Let's see, we had another sheep. No Sheep's Design. Said this crew needs to start training departments across country. If the oh, we already spread that one. Oh, we see that. Oh, yeah, that one popped up. He got bonus right there. Um, blade runner tool sharpening before and after. That is a long name, brother. I love it. He said they make 50 to mostly 200 000 a year. They can't spend an hour a week to educate themselves about their job.
Speaker 3:You don't even read a book, just watch two cops, one donut watch. Watch matt thornton you know, watch on shorts.
Speaker 4:That's what I was gonna say watch on shorts.
Speaker 3:Yep, yeah just hang out on there, you know hey man.
Speaker 1:This is. This is what I'm talking about, sean. It's hard to say no because you got. Don't stop, keep going, guys like we got 2 000 people still logged on.
Speaker 3:I get it. I'm losing my voice here guys.
Speaker 4:I got to run the second tier.
Speaker 1:I love everybody here, Okay, before we go, let's do one more. All the way through, we won't stop it, but let's do one more of Sean's videos. Because it's him baby, I want to show him off. It's just a short, it's not one of the full, full videos. Um, let's not do. Let's do this guy. He looks. This looks like a good one. So let's see, sean can rest his voice. Sure, um, okay, that's about as big as it's going to be. So I have not seen this one.
Speaker 1:This doesn't this? This doesn't look familiar to me, so this is a blind reaction when I watch it, and let's unmute it and play, you guys, for what?
Speaker 7:oh, we could talk right here, right? Why would that be? Can I get any of the badge? Numbers please but why would I need to step out there?
Speaker 1:Are you conducting business in here?
Speaker 7:Yeah, for sure. I would ask that you de-escalate and identify yourselves, please. I would just you know, respectfully, because I don't like the way that, sorry, sorry sir. What business are you conducting here, ma'am? What business of that is yours, of yours, to be honest with you, and you're not even identifying yourself to me as a law enforcement officer. My vest identifies who I am. My name tag identifies who I am. I don't know how to pronounce that, so we got a call.
Speaker 8:That's fine. You don't have to know how to pronounce it. We got a call.
Speaker 7:I mean, I would like to that you were in here. We got a call and you needed to be removed. Okay, and that's what you're trying to do, correct? Well, I was just trying to talk to you. No, you're trying to order me to leave.
Speaker 7:No, I said can you step out here, and I politely refused and I said we could talk right here. Okay, we could lower our voices and not interrupt any business. So what business do you have here? Oh, I'm an independent journalist. Okay, I'm taking some pictures and video. Okay, that's what I'm doing. Can I get your badge number or anything? G704 is my badge number and your name, sir, and badge number. I'm Lieutenant Jones, 640. Lieutenant Jones. Thank you, lieutenant, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:So what do you need?
Speaker 7:I don't need anything. I didn't call you sir. Well, if you don't need anything, you need to leave the building. Then what do you mean?
Speaker 1:Well, if you're not here to conduct business, you need to leave.
Speaker 7:I am conducting business, sir. I'm conducting constitutionally protected business, sir. Okay, did you take enough to uphold the constitution, sir? Hey, how are you?
Speaker 1:Boom. That's the end of that one. So I wrote down notes on this one, because I'm already ready to go off.
Speaker 3:So, Sean, can you give us a little background on where you're at and what you're doing? I don't remember exactly where I'm at in this video. It looks like a DMV. No, it's a. Yes, it is a DMV. I don't know where, where exactly it was, but some of the cops there knew who I was too. But I got to say this Female officers tend to come out and be more aggressive than male officers. From my own personal experience, they seem they tend to come out and be more aggressive than male officers. From my own personal experience, they seem they tend to be more aggressive and like just more assertive, and maybe they're trying to like you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3:But that's what I take Overcompensate, right, that's what I'm looking for. But, yeah, no, I was in a public lobby of like a DMV or whatever, and you know she's like let's talk outside or whatever, and I didn't want to. Again, I try not to, not, I don't even want to talk, like I don't want to talk. I don't want to. I just want to continue what I'm doing. I'll tell you what I'm doing, but do you see how their energy and their their, the way that they come off at first, is how it's going to. That's how it always dictates what I'm going to do. Hey, sir, how are you? My name is Officer So-and-so. Hey, my name is Sean.
Speaker 3:I'm an independent journalist. I'm just here recording, I'm taking pictures. It's not a big deal, I'm not doing anything, but then I don't want to answer any questions. If you're not, why should I answer your questions? I have a right not to answer your questions. There's a difference, right? It's a power dynamic that I have a right, a constitutional right, not to answer any of your questions whatsoever. I don't have to talk to you whatsoever. I could just be there and be silent. There's people who do silent audits, um, and I don't have to talk to you. So just me talking to you is me being cooperative in a way. So she just that's that one ended with them walking away and doing nothing. Um, there were some people in there that knew who I was, and they ended up. Not, I'm not doing anything about it, but yeah now.
Speaker 1:So part of my problem. So, first off, I just from the police side of things and matt and uh, banning you can, you can chime in on this too, but name and badge number, like that is a that that's automatic right away. Just give it to them. If you, if your goal is to de-escalate, one of the best things you can do is give information. Why am I being pulled over? Oh, sorry, the reason I pulled you over is because you were doing 75 and a 25. Okay, cool, now a little bit of information has been shared. That's really what it comes down to most of the time, and, just like in this, when you ask for a name and badge number, that isn't up that you're a public servant like that I hate it on traffic stops, when officers I gotta tell you I hate it on traffic stops videos and they're like give me your, I'll tell you in a minute.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll tell you why I pulled you over in a minute. Yeah, like you're just asking for problems like whether or not you have to tell somebody exactly why you pulled them over is irrelevant, Like you should just tell somebody hey, you got a broken taillight. Hey, I got you doing a 55 and a 45, whatever it is, just tell them quickly. There's no, I'll tell you in a minute after you give me your license. I hate it.
Speaker 1:That's a great call. I hate that man. I'm the part of the train that I don't understand that. We have a guy on here pretty regularly Fridays with Frank. That's how he does it. Yeah, that's him. Yes, he does that a lot. Yes, he does that a lot. He loves doing that and I told him straight up I'm like, oh, I'm like, and his thing is, that's how he was trained and it's a way to make sure that if the person runs, you've got their ID or whatever, like whatever person runs, you've got their id or whatever, like whatever excuse they want to come up with. But I'm just like, I don't agree with that one. I don't like that. I just it just sets the bad tone.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm familiar with his videos. It just sets a bad tone from the straight, like, hey, why? That's the first question anybody has when they get pulled over. Why did you pull me over? I mean, you know most of the time, you know, but you know, why'd you pull me over? I pulled you over over. Hey, my name is deputy, whatever I am and then I seen a video one time of that guy. He was like you know, why are you recording Again? Another question that I don't like why are you questioning somebody's constitutional right If you know somebody? And it's even crazier coming from that guy because he's literally recording I'll give Frank credit.
Speaker 3:Like he's big on, like, yeah, get your camera out, my cameras are here too. Right, he records everything he does. I'm not saying I have a problem with that guy at all. I don't have any problem with anybody. Again, we can have disagreements on certain things and we can have debates on certain things no one's perfect. But I don't like that. I don't like that at all. I think it's a bad way to start a Get him Matt.
Speaker 4:Matt, you're taking this person's freedom temporarily. You tell him why, right off the bat. Yeah, that's, I don't like any other argument. I don't care about anything else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Currently California is the only state that that's law.
Speaker 4:Right, it should be nationwide.
Speaker 3:It should be national.
Speaker 6:I, it should be nationwide.
Speaker 1:It should be national. I try to educate every time we can. The only state that is mandatory for the officers to tell you what the offense is when they pull you over on a traffic stop is California. Now there's a caveat to that. If they run your plate and you're wanted for a violent warrant, if they find a traffic offense to pull you over so often, this is what cops will do. You'll have a violent warrant hit, let's say. Let's say you're wanted for aggravated assault. Whatever it is on your license plate, officers will still look for a traffic offense as well to pull you over. So if you were speeding Now, they may pull you over for that speeding and tell you they pulled you over for that, but they're not going to disclose that they pulled you over for a violent warrant until they have you out of the car and probably got you in cuffs, because more often than not, people wanted for violent officers are going to fight back. So I get that. I understand that purpose. Go ahead Banning.
Speaker 6:Let's talk about the video we just watched with Sean yeah, yeah, we haven't even gotten into it yet Just for the law enforcement officers that are watching and I know there's a lot of watching here and hopefully, to learn as soon as you walk into a situation like this. You've been called Okay, you've been called to a location of a person doing this, this and this, and you can walk in there as a peace officer. Walk in, yep, okay, I got a guy there holding the cameras, got a camera attached. Okay, he's not breaking the law. Go find your call taker. What am I here for? What can I help you with? Yes, yes, period. You go. Well, this guy's doing this and you turn back around and you add you take that time right there to educate that call taker. This gentleman is not breaking the law. Well, blah, blah, blah. You know what You're. You're creating the scene now. So let's step you out of privacy, because now you are infringing by calling me here as that law enforcement officer, period. We have got to take that as a peace officer across the nation as an educational purpose.
Speaker 6:When people like Sean are out there doing this, the ones that are trained correctly need to be able to take that opportunity to train the call taker. Hey, he's not breaking the law. He can stand there from the time the door is open to the public till the time the door's closed. If he wants to stand there and film everybody. There may be people who come in and don't understand why. Guess what? As that former call taker getting educated? Now educate the general public. If you don't want to be filmed, go back to your fourth amendment protected home. Shut your frigging blinds and sit in there to where no cameras can see it. Yep, there it is. If you're out in public, if you can be seen by the human eye, you may be recorded, and there's some cities around here that have six, seven thousand cameras out there. You're gonna be. You gotta go to the grocery store.
Speaker 1:You're gonna be on camera yep, I got a good video for that. We'll show after we talk because I want sean to. I want to discuss his video here a little bit more. Um, sean, one of the things that I love that you pointed out was she, uh, wanted to know your business. All right, and you, right away, my business and none of your business. And I was like, right shit.
Speaker 3:I mean, and she the way she came out and she says I was called here to remove you, right, she's saying. She's already saying that, it's already telling me from Drumstreet that she's trying to remove me from the building. She's trying to violate my rights. She's not again, they haven't even talked to anybody there. I totally agree with Banning. I think that's perfect. Go talk to whoever called you, because you didn't get any context, I'm sure. Go talk to whoever called you and try and figure out exactly what it is this person is doing before you even interact with the person, because maybe he is breaking the law, maybe he is I don't know committing a disorderly conduct for whatever state. That disorderly conduct can be whatever, but the point is that find out exactly what's going on first and then deal with it from there. I think that's great advice. I think it would save a cops a lot of embarrassment.
Speaker 1:A lot of time. Yeah, I don't even feel this.
Speaker 4:This actually happened to me a couple of months ago. Lady flags me down and say, oh, she was recording and I said that's legal and so I didn't even bother addressing the person with the camera. There's no need to there's.
Speaker 3:You don't need to make a contact. Why address?
Speaker 1:I don't even know how bad I would be if I got called and Sean was there and be like hold on a second. What do you want? I need a lot to do that Now. I got to wait for Sean to leave so I can go make contact with. Sean later and be like bro, you're awesome.
Speaker 6:Bottom line to this is I understand dispatchers have a policy in place. We received a call. Now they input it into what's called computer-aided dispatch, that is, dispatch to an officer. But the policies also need to allow the police department and dispatch to say I can call this person that called 911 or the non-emergency and get a little bit more information as the peace officer who has jurisdiction there, because you may not even need to make scene. If there's no reason to make scene, why use the tax dollars to go park there, go inside and waste 20 to 30 minutes when you can be that peace officer, call the freaking phone number of the complainant and educate them, because if they're just in their recording, let's have a little education over the phone. If you'd like to talk about it more, swing on down to your local police department at a good time for you and we'll explain it to you more Right.
Speaker 3:We'll help you do some more. You know you say peace officer and it reminds me of I love using Matt always talks about this and I've used this in my trainings, I've used this in my audits a professional peacemaker and I love that man. I just got to bring that up because I use that all the time and I use it and I give you credit for it. It is that's what you are and it it's. It's beautiful really, when you, when you, you know, keep the peace, like just keep it at least, like you don't want use your discretion, you can use your discretion, you can do those things you can, because how many, many times have cops used discretion for other cops? Right, I mean, you do, right, it just is what it is Like. You know it's happened, so use it for the public.
Speaker 1:This is not a topic of a deal, and this is not a Sean video, at least, I don't think it is, we find so this one was sent in to us I ended up making a video of. More often than not and, sean, maybe you can talk to this a little bit the citizens try to use the police as a vessel to take care of what they think is against the law, and so I'm going to play this one and let you guys see. I know the last one, last one, I promise.
Speaker 9:What things? The things that I'm working on.
Speaker 8:What things is that? I can't see nothing.
Speaker 4:Yes, you can you're zooming in on a legal office.
Speaker 2:You zoomed in on me. I asked you to stop now he's here oh no, not him. Who's he?
Speaker 8:everything all right oh yeah, I'm good I found him, I walked over there to ask the question. He was zooming out and then I asked him to take me off camera and he wouldn't myself right here.
Speaker 4:I don't want him to be in on things that I'm working on.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing I just he's in public. He's allowed to report anything that's in view of the public. Yes, ma'am, I asked him to turn it off from you.
Speaker 8:If you're in public, he's not going to record you as well. Thank you, sir. Yes, a law firm is in public, it's in view of the public.
Speaker 1:Yes, so anything that's like saying that I'm not allowed to look in the windows right right so anything that's in walked all the way across the street to come to me.
Speaker 6:I didn't harass you. I was walking down the street, so he's like he's kind of following me, because I was there.
Speaker 9:I don't think that's the case no, because he was over here before you I was over there, I walked over here.
Speaker 8:Now she follows me over here. Here's the deal. Okay, he's allowed to record. He's in public. He's allowed to be on public sidewalks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's nothing. I know you don't right, just like how you can pull out your phone and record it, but I'm not.
Speaker 8:You could, but you can't. It's your right. Let me ask you it's your right? How do you pronounce it, kaiser? Kaiser, nice, first shout out to Kaiser.
Speaker 4:Kaiser subscribes to Long Island Audit. I promise you that yeah.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Kaiser If he so I that's what I wanted to point out.
Speaker 1:So what banning was saying and what we were talking about. That is how it should be handled. Every time where we take the time, you don't even talk to the guy. Yeah, educate every time.
Speaker 3:That is how you talk to the guy, you know, and I think it's I, I hate it when citizens will use just regular members of the public, will use law enforcement. They try and say, you know, even when I was at the correctional facility, he's like, well, I'm gonna call new york state police. And I was like okay, like the, the guys that swore it off to uphold my rights, like am I supposed to be scared? Like they say these things, like public servants or just members of the public will say, like we're gonna call the police on you. And it's like, okay, like I'm not scared of the police. Like what do you like? Why would you use using the police as some sort of threat against me for what? Like, like I, like I'm supposed to be scared. Like okay, call them, I'll have a conversation with them. It's not a big deal. But they want to use the police to enforce their feelings and, sadly enough, police will enforce people's feelings.
Speaker 3:Sometimes, you know, she doesn't feel comfortable. I've seen it all the time, you know. But this guy did great. He's like man, you know. It is what it is. You don't have to like it, you know. I don't think that's the case. He's following me. I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love it yeah he was quick, just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom shot be highlighted. I'm glad that you highlighted that video. I've never seen that video.
Speaker 1:That was a good one yeah and um, we, like I said, we try to show that shit as best we can. I want good examples all the time. I want cops screwing up on it. I explain why they screw up and where we fix it, why. I want to see cops do good, like that one, and explain where he did well and where the citizen is mistaken on her own rights. So that's, that's the key in all of this. But, um, somebody paid $2 to let you go to sleep, sir. So, um, I put that up there. That's Matt's burner account. Yeah, that was a. Who was it that? Was a deal.
Speaker 1:I've been to tattoos paid $2 to let you go to sleep. I'm an hour ahead of you guys Remember that too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I know, I'm so sorry, brother, but I just no.
Speaker 3:no, it's fine, we could have a conversation. I actually pulled up a video that I wanted to show you guys, but it's late, but it's a really good video. But we got. We get to continue this conversation. I'll come back on the channel you can come on my channel, whatever it is. But there's some crazy ones that I'm sure you've seen them, matt. But there's some crazy ones that, like these rookie cops, will just go crazy because the ones that are fresh out of the academy are the worst, oh yeah, or the old-timers.
Speaker 5:Or the old ones. The old ones are like two of them 30 years Another one.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's basically one.
Speaker 3:You know, matt, he didn't even know, that's basically. Matt Eric didn't even know about the Danbury one, where the guy said that 20 years ago he would have killed me with my teeth missing.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, insane, I never heard that one that was the tippest call.
Speaker 3:20 years ago he'd have been dead with his teeth missing. I would have done it Insane. You should be in prison for saying that Insane. It's like dude, I mean Lee's fired, I mean whatever. It's crazy, yep.
Speaker 1:So sorry but, Sean, first and foremost from all of us here at Two Cops, One Donut and DTV. Thank you so much for gracing us, dude Like I'm so honored to have you on, because I really think you're making a big difference out there and I don't care if you're another cop and you hear me saying that and it pisses you off. You need to check yourself.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I just said what Eric just said.
Speaker 1:So that's a problem You're, that's a you problem. Um, because I love what you're doing. Uh, I will do anything in my power to get you out there more to, um, get you involved in some training stuff. Uh, we plan to do some shows based on exactly what you're talking about with DTV and with Matt being the forefront of that. Um, he doesn't know that yet, but that's what I'm doing with him and I would love for you to be a part of that. Brother, as your audience probably seen, I'm the voice for the Two Cops, One Donut stuff. I talk a lot. I don't want to be that guy for other stuff. I want Matt, because Matt has a lot of good things to say. Banning is my wingman on this and we do what we can. But yeah, dude, thank you so much. Do you got anything you want to shout out Anything? How can people find you All that good stuff? To me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you. Oh my bad. I thought you were talking to Matt. I was reading the chat for a second. My bad. No Long Island Audit for a second. My bad. Um no long island audit everywhere.
Speaker 2:Uh, instagram, facebook you know youtube, uh, x, whatever uh twitter, whatever you want to call it yeah but everywhere.
Speaker 3:Well, everything's at long island audit. Um, you know I want to thank you for you know, having this conversation with me. Thanks, matt, for reaching out to me and uh, vouching for these guys banning those. Pleasure meeting you, man. I love your heads out, love your mentality. Uh, thank you for your service to, to your community over the years.
Speaker 3:I know you're not active anymore, eric. Thanks for your continued service to your community. Matt, same thing to you. You serve your community the best I've ever seen. Man. You are, not only as a law enforcement officer but as a community leader. Yep, man, you serve your community and you help the youth in your community and you put your time where your money, where your mouth is, time where your mouth is, you walk the walk. I know I want to help you in what you're doing and be a part of it in more ways than financially. I want to actually be on the ground and help you. When I have time, I do visit Illinois a lot. I'm through. We're waiting. I would love to come over there. All right, man, thank you.
Speaker 3:Thank you guys for your community watching. If you don't like me, don't worry. You can get to know me a little bit better, Maybe you will. We can have a drink together or something. If you don't like me, it is what it. I'm not really worried about it. I'm not going to lose sleep about it. I only lose sleep on this live stream. That's what I'm losing. I'm sorry brother. No, no, it was a great conversation. I appreciate it. Guys. Banning again, eric Matt, thank you guys, I'm not jumping off.
Speaker 1:I don't know if anybody else is, but I know Matt's got to go. So, sean, thank you brother.
Speaker 4:You to go Sean. Thank you, brother.
Speaker 1:Take care, appreciate you very much, love you guys. Yeah, I got to go. Matt, tell everybody where to find your nonprofit dude.
Speaker 4:Oh, my father, it's mfbyouthorg on my father's business, or at Detective Matt Thornton. It's on TikTok, youtube, instagram. I am a full supporter.
Speaker 3:I'm letting you know right now Long Island is a full supporter. I'm letting you know right now Long Island is a full supporter of Matt's nonprofit, full stop. I think he's doing great work. Go support it. I'm going to add a link to my description.
Speaker 4:My man. I appreciate that man.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Sorry man, I have to teach him how to do this social media stuff. I had to make him shout it out.
Speaker 4:You know I'm slow.
Speaker 1:I know All right guys.
Speaker 4:Take it easy. I love you guys, we'll see y'all.
Speaker 1:See you later. Boys Banny, I'm sticking around you, down, I'm down.
Speaker 6:Stick around.
Speaker 1:You bet all those off now that he's off, but, um, yeah, thank you so much for joining us. Um, what we do on here there's another part of the show that we normally do, but I wanted it to be all about long island. So, um, what we normally do is we do body cam reviews. So I've got three body cams pulled up. Um, one of the things that we would do is we watch a body cam video that we've never seen and we break it down how we would handle the call as it's developing, rather than monday morning quarterbacking. So, uh, everybody, that's a part of the two cops one donut crowd. They know what we do.
Speaker 1:Um, we got paulina williams in the house shouting out what's going on, girl. Um, so I'm gonna be jumping back to the uh the comments a lot more, but this is your guys's chance to ask. Jumping back to the uh the comments a lot more, but this is your guys' chance to ask questions. Why did the cop do this? Maybe he should have done that, and we kind of cop spleen. I hate to say it like that, but we'll try to cop spleen a little bit and tell you where our training leads us and why we're thinking what we think as it's developing, versus having 2020 hindsight. So it so the the little different thing that we do.
Speaker 1:Um, so let me, let me pull up. I'm going to give a shout out to um. Police. Uh, what is it? Police body cam or no? Police activity YouTube channel? That's where we get all of our videos from. Is police activity YouTube channel? So shout out to them. I am going to share the screen. We're going to jump right into it. We have not seen these. If we have seen them, we will tell you that we've seen them. Let me biggie size this. There you go, there we go and let's observe. Shall we Banning you bet? All right, let's go, okay. So we don't know the details. Actually, I've seen this one. I don't know if you've seen this one. No, I, I've seen this one, so I'll kind of back out a little bit um for myself. So this guy was trying to get into this car. As we can see, um looks like whoever that is took off. Looks like whoever that is took off. Now, your boy's pride is hurt, so he's going to chase after. Looks like he's in a 911, state your emergency.
Speaker 8:We'll get the call.
Speaker 2:Can somebody please come to me? Somebody just hit me with a gun and I'm at my daughter. They're trying to kill me right next to me. Where are you at, please? I'm bleeding. I'm on. I don't know I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding, I'm bleeding, I'm on, I'm on.
Speaker 6:I don't know. I'm on shields. I'm on shields, Please come On foot or in a car. I'm in a car. What kind of car? I'm in a BMW. What color? Blue.
Speaker 2:Are you alone in the car? No, I have my daughter. No, I have my daughter. Okay, who was it that hit you? It was an ex-boyfriend, and he hit you with a gun. I think he busted my head open. I think he busted my head open. I'm gushing out blood and he's following me right behind me. Okay, hold on okay, I'm getting a call in. Okay, he was like trying to hit my car. So you're driving, You're not parked. No, because he's like trying to abuse me, right now and my daughter's in the car and he hit me with a gun.
Speaker 2:Stop. I'm bleeding and gushing out blood. I'm going to kill you. I don't give a fuck. Why are you saying that you better talk to me or I'm going to kill you right now? Why are you trying to kill me? I don't give a fuck. Why are you trying to kill me? What are you doing? You're over-talking me. Mike put the gun down. Please somebody help Please my baby's in the car. All right, I have them.
Speaker 1:Okay, so one of the first things that I want to tell the public is there are some departments out there that have the ability, while we're in the patrol car, to hear the call.
Speaker 6:Very small percentage but they have it.
Speaker 1:Yes, there's very small, it's a new form of technology and you're like, why does that matter? Well, here's why it matters. What you guys just heard is going to cause more sense of an urgency, because you're going to really know how that victim feels, because you hear. You can hear the stress in that voice, versus just seeing text on a screen Females complaining that boyfriend's attacking boyfriend is possibly has a gun, boyfriend dah, dah, dah, dah, dah dah. It becomes very callous and you're not getting the context. So this is a new form of technology that's really getting out there.
Speaker 1:I think one of them is called Rapid SOS, one's called Live 911. So pay attention to those technologies that are out there. If your departments don't have them, this needs to be something that gets out there because you need to hear the urgency in that woman's voice. That is a time that you run code and you do everything you can to get to that person as quick as you can. That is a time that you run code and you do everything you can to get to that person as quick as you can. So crazy, crazy, crazy stuff. So for me, if I get those call details, I'm running code, which means lights and sirens, and I'm going to run as fast, as safely as I can. That's basically how we're going to get to this call.
Speaker 6:Banny, you got anything to add on that?
Speaker 1:No, 100% with you what you said so far. Yeah, okay, Just looking at the chat see if anybody's got any ideas in there. That's great. Upgrade the officers to respond to 911s. Yep, absolutely. So.
Speaker 1:Somebody said, yeah, AI is going to mess that up. Yeah, you're probably not wrong on that. Smash that like button y'all. Yeah, and that's the other thing. Before I lose all of Long Island Auditor stuff look, I'm not asking for monetary stuff, but I think we really do have a cool mission going on here and I don't need your money. I would love to have it just to keep supporting the show. What I really need is if you guys can just follow us, Follow, like us, subscribe, do all those things the teenage kids say these days. But please, that really does show that what we're doing, you're giving positive affirmations that we're doing the right thing. And if we're doing the right thing, please help support us. Just hit the like button, hit the follow, that's it. We don't preach that all show long. You haven't heard us say that one time, so please do that. Thank you, Let me keep going with the video, though Copy I'll give it here.
Speaker 8:All right, we are westbound. Jensen Now crossing with a 41. They are both failing to yield Any units. Close Pit is authorized. Have her pull over out of the way if possible.
Speaker 1:Okay, so banning. We have them on view. We're coming in.
Speaker 6:And obviously they said pits authorized. So for those that have ever played GTA or anything like that, that's basically where you come up and tap behind the car and spin it out. So they're saying that that's authorized. Where I'm at, we can't do that, so it's a. It doesn't matter, we're not allowed to do that. We're not even trained to do that anymore.
Speaker 6:So how are you approaching this now? Banning, blatantly clear with what he said in the background, and nine, it sounds like 911 is still going to stay connected to her, you know, instructing her to pull away as we try to get him to create as much distance as we can. We don't know what the MO is here, the modus operandi of what he's going to do when he stopped, and our key element here is the safety for the public, the victim of the, the act of investigation that's going on. So we've we've got to get him stopped. Pit maneuver of wherever this is at I understand Fresno, so it's obviously out in California. We've got to get him stopped. It's probably going to go into a felony traffic stop if they follow their policies to make it safe so everybody can go home and figure out what's freaking going on.
Speaker 6:She needs to be, and as soon as he has stopped and dealt with, we need to have law enforcement on her, because we don't know if he's the only actor we're hearing the call. Is there a brother, a friend, somebody else involved that's also upset at whatever created this 911 call? We need to make sure she is safe, separate those parties and figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, sorry, I'm just trying to read some of the comments here. Scar said Purple Heart, veteran blocked. When free speech is the topic is wild. What are you talking about? Listen, here's part of the chat issues. Stick to topic, guys. If you go off on wild tangents about crazy stuff, you may have a great valid point on whatever it is you're talking about, but if it's not the topics that we're talking about, we're not going to address it.
Speaker 1:I try to give everybody a voice. I don't. I don't block anybody, anybody for for speaking their mind and trying to call us pigs, I shit. I put up on the screen somebody had like 80 pigs in a row. I put it on the screen, it's fine. I don't care if you call us names, do whatever you got to do, but try to stick to the topics, guys. Um, so yeah, that that's what it is.
Speaker 1:And um, the ones that do end up getting blocked in in in crime is because they either did something racist or they started trying to lie and and be. Um, what do you call it? Uh, propaganda, stuff tried trying to diminish the the show so by saying that we were lying. So that's. That's about the only time, and I even give people, like we had one today, old steve, uh ladner, we we had to boot him because he started spreading lies. I'm like listen, there's a lot of good stuff we got going on here. I gave you the opportunity to retract it. I asked you to and you didn't, and had to put you on a block for 30 days. You're not gone permanently. We never block anybody permanently. You're just gone for a little bit. Let's keep going.
Speaker 8:He's still chasing and ramming Charles 14,. I'm with you 102.
Speaker 6:I see your heads, I got shot.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, holy shit. Okay. So now the question is is is deadly force authorized here? You've got him trying to ram her car, so he's using deadly force against another citizen, so you do have a deadly force, sort of. But once he drives away from the, where's's the victim?
Speaker 6:The victim, I believe, was that vehicle right in front of the cruiser. I could be wrong, but that's how I was taken, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it depends I'll say this If the victim's now behind us and we know that the rounds being fired aren't justified. Fair. What do you? Think yes, fair, what do?
Speaker 6:you think, yes, I don't know what the officer's not seeing it, because I would have to go back and watch it in slow-mo because I'm not sure why we're discharging rounds going down. I didn't catch that. Maybe my eyes are going slow. What did you see on why he pulled that firearm out and didn't?
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on a second Ali's. Apparently. He's posted this question a few times or she. He or she answer the questions. Why don't so-called good cops stop the bad cops all the time, all the time? And here's one of the problems that I have and I I if you guys go to our Instagram or whatever, you'll see that I, I showed the Broward County Sheriff and he goes down the list of all of these cops that he's held accountable Hundreds of cops in in, uh, you know the span of his time there.
Speaker 1:And one of the reasons I highlighted this speech that he's giving this press conference is because the problem is, even in my own department we hold cops accountable all year long. Every year I've seen cops hired, fired and charged every year that I've been a cop every year at my own department. That's just one department. How often do you guys hear about it? Never. Why don't you hear about it? The reason you don't hear about it? Because nobody gives a shit about cops doing their job. The times that they care is when it's sensationalized, when there's something to it that looks foul. That's when we care. So what I would ask you to do and what I like that the broward county guy did was he actually gave the numbers of the amount of cops he's held accountable every year from like 2020 to 2025, and all the times that they have pressed charges to the prosecutor and the prosecutor denied pressing charges. So that's one department, broward county. Watch this guy. Now he had a huge number, a little higher than normal, I'll say that.
Speaker 1:But when you say that cops don't hold other cops accountable, I think a lot of the times the problem is is people want instant. They want that person arrested right then and there, because a citizen would have been arrested right then and there when I would argue I want all your ducks in a row when you're going to file charges against the cop, because the last thing you want is for them to get off. If it's justified, get your ducks in a row. Quit being impatient. I know it sucks because it seems like a double standard, but you want to have your ducks in a row if you're going to charge a cop or hire or arrest a cop while they're on duty.
Speaker 1:So that is that's my shtick. You can agree with me or not agree with me. Um, we won't agree on everything. So that is, that's my answer to that. That's my answer to that, um, and I would. I would challenge you to go out and look and see what the numbers are at your local department. Ask them, try to find out. Get a Freedom of Information Act. How many people have you fired? How many people have you charged?
Speaker 6:There's something to add to this, eric, and only because I get messaged this all over the country is we did meaning a police department telling me we did a press release on us stopping one of our own and no media outlets pick it up. You know there's police departments that police departments that will do what's called an official press release and it goes into the associated press pool. We did this, this and this found this held somebody accountable for this and a lot of agencies aren't getting the media to pick that up. Some are it's not all of them, but some are getting it picked up, but then not all of them are.
Speaker 1:Yep, uh-oh, dead leg jumped in. What do you got buddy, and here's why?
Speaker 9:Here's why no one will pick that up. Because you know what's not sensational in the media Cops doing their jobs, cops doing their jobs, or cops were held accountable. That's not what people want to hear. They want to hear about all the corruption because they know that their agency and they know that everybody's bad yep, that's what they want. They want to reaffirm the things that they believe, and they don't want to hear transparency. They don't want to hear hey, this is us, we made an ass of ourselves and we're trying to be better. They don't want to hear that, yep, just want to hear I don't want to be held responsible for anything I do, either better. They don't want to hear that, yep, just want to hear I don't want to be held responsible for anything I do either. So because I don't want to be held responsible for anything I do, I'm just going to push all this out and say, well, all cops are bad.
Speaker 1:Yep, um. Andy Fletcher said how can those ducks be in a row instantly for a civilian, but not as a cop from a civilian, but if a cop in in there's? There's a lot of instances of this where a cop one cop can see something that another cop from his angle doesn't see. I have seen videos where a cop pulls out his gun, ends up shooting a suspect and the other cop immediately is like what did you shoot him for? Because he didn't see the threat. So imagine if that officer went and arrested him right away and come to find out that that wasn't justified. So that's what I'm getting at Get your ducks in a row for the cops, because if you screw it up, you fucked up the whole case and we need to hold higher standards. So let's get rid of them.
Speaker 1:So and I you know I love it Supreme liars. I can guarantee you I'm a lot of things, sir. It could be an asshole, a douchebag, a pig, you know whatever you want to call me, but I'm not lying. That's the one thing that you're not going to be able to get out of me. I'm not lying to you. You can, you can not like it all you want. I'm going to even put your comments up here. Are you listening to this bullshit? It might be bullshit to you, but I challenge you this get some other cops that are going to talk to you and talk about it publicly, like this on a platform. That's the thing. We're not running from your questions. We're going to give you our perspective. If you don't like it, so be it, but find it somewhere else.
Speaker 9:You're doing exactly what they want to have happen. You are a cop. I'm retired. Banning is an active cop. No, I'm retired.
Speaker 9:Yeah. Banning's retired, congratulations. There's three of us that spend a little bit of time in law enforcement, but we're all three questioning I, I don't see anything where I would start discharging rounds into this car. So you have three people that have training and experience questioning why someone is discharging rounds into a car. We're doing the same thing that you're doing. We're questioning it. We're saying, hey, we don't see what you and we're literally getting the vantage point from where the officer's at.
Speaker 1:Right, right, yeah, and uh, where'd it go? Sorry, um, uh, I keep going with Andy, sorry, but you never see it. Uh, when a cops, how do you see it when it's a civilian? Because as a cop, we have obligate we like, bound by law, otherwise we can be arrested, lose our jobs, lose our families, lose all these things, because we failed to act.
Speaker 6:Yeah, failure to intervene.
Speaker 1:Failure to intervene, failure to yeah, or you know, it's like felonies in discretion, like with misdemeanors I have. I have discretion on a misdemeanor I don't have to arrest you. But if I come across the felony you got a felony warrant I have to arrest you. If I don't now I or lay it out there, whatever class C Texas violation you have.
Speaker 6:The officer has discretion, Okay, uh, once it crosses in and the state of Texas, into that class B realm, which is still a misdemeanor, it, depending on department uh policy, they may what's called shall arrest, yeah, and then they may have to be forced to follow that policy. I've used my discretion 21 years, hundreds of times I've. I've used that discretion so many times. I treat every traffic stop I was on as a case by case basis, you know, and it's. I've ran into people that's got five, 10 warrants and they're. You know they. They recently got here, they're going through the process to become a U S citizen. They're doing everything right, you know they're. They're busting their ass out there it's a tough world, even though they're in a better country, and they're doing everything. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. We have that discretion. Hey, this is what's going on. You need to get this, this and this. And I'm on to the next.
Speaker 6:And there's so many police officers out there that do that and that needs to be seen. It doesn't get seen because these departments don't go out there and take all those videos and flood the market with it, because that's just daily law enforcement operations. Now the ones that we're seeing, just as long as y'all are that aren't doing the right things. It pisses us off too, if that bothers you, me saying pisses us off. I'm sorry you're on the wrong channel, but it pisses us off too. Um, because we do have that discretion on the lower level stuff. We're all humans. We all put our pants on the same way every day. We've got to get along on this frigging planet.
Speaker 1:Yep and uh, I'm sorry we were never going to be perfect, um, but we're here having the conversations, we're trying to improve it so you can jump down our throats all you want. I mean, we're here, just try to talk to us guys. That's all we're asking. So let's keep going with this video here. So I'm already. I'm not a big fan of shooting into this vehicle unless I see a gun, and I don't know what this officer sees. Maybe the guy's pointing a gun back. We just didn't see it in this body cam video, I don't know. So things to consider, so let's keep going here. Oh, real quick.
Speaker 1:Michael Riley said would still love to hear why. He said she was also failing to yield. Should she have stopped? Got shot by the guy? Yeah, it's, I don't know. I don't think he's really calling her out for not stopping. I think he's like she's not stopping, nobody's stopping. This is a crit. This does not happen. This in law enforcement, this is a unicorn. I can tell you right now. I've never seen this happen to me. So let's keep going. So now this car is ramming other vehicles, um, showing gross, uh, disregard for everybody. Um, and this is what he's using is now what I would consider deadly force, because he is ramming other vehicles. All it takes is for him to push a car into oncoming traffic and that's all she wrote. So he is using deadly force.
Speaker 9:So but I. But given all little olive branch she did just discharge a couple rounds into there. Yep, that vehicle could be out of control and creating on its own, because there's no one in control of it, because he just ate a couple rounds too yeah, that's fair, it's also a possibility yeah, that that could be a good defense to prosecution.
Speaker 1:Um, depending on what's going on, reload on the run. Yeah, that's. Yeah, I'll give him credit for that. That's not easy to do. Um, he's obviously trained. He's got a red dot on gun, so he's staying up to date with the most recent technological advances for policing. I will say that my red dot had me shooting basically perfect scores every time. Now let's see here. Okay, so this is running up plug-in and there's no challenge. And no, not man, this is I don't know. I don't know. I will tell you based on what I see, I don't know if I'm gonna go up there just plugging did he not?
Speaker 10:I thought I saw he had a gun when he rammed her. He did the driver of the car.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's part of the call. Is that he has a gun?
Speaker 10:No, like he banished it out the window. I thought, oh, he chucked it. I don't even know. I thought, he was acting like he was going to fire it towards her?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Let's see, let's keep going. Got hands up, I'm with you, I'm with you. Now I will say that is amazing discipline by this officer to be in the middle of shooting, recognize this guy's, put his hands out the window and stop firing and reload and reload. So immediate, discontinue use of force. So that's a positive. But the the whole thing is is did he have justification to fire? I don't know that he did.
Speaker 6:I don't know that's the whole problem I'm I'm running into right now, and only because we're looking at this live and we're going through it, we're not rewinding and using little, because the you know, the officer or the general public can't do that either in lifetime. I don't know what he saw, so right now I'm just cringing. Only because why are we on holstering? Why are we going towards this, this and this, when it's not just a felony traffic stop, uh, with nothing in the background where anybody else can get hurt?
Speaker 1:that anyway go ahead, yeah, I and it, yeah. So, and look at his shot play is good shot placement. He's shooting in the right spots. Um so let's, let's keep going here you come out with your hands up or we will shoot you again.
Speaker 8:Come out on the ground 7-12-14, line of fire is going to be to the east. I need units to arrive from Jensen and 41.
Speaker 1:So that's good communication. He's letting his officers know where to go. We don't want to have crossfire issues. As you can see, there are cars everywhere. I don't know if you guys can see my mouse, but concern is this truck across the way, um, and these cars over here. What I like is that just one officer's talking. It really turns nuts when multiple people are talking. So, um, I, you know this guy started chiming up. I'd tell him shut up, let me handle it so let me take over for you serge.
Speaker 5:you got it, get, got it, get out of the car.
Speaker 8:He heard you. Do not reach for anything or I will shoot you.
Speaker 1:Okay, confusing, get out of the car. Don't reach for anything, I'll shoot you. He's got to reach for the door handle, whether it's outside of the vehicle or inside. This is where commands really make a difference. If I was that dude, I'd just leave my hands out the window.
Speaker 10:I wouldn't move one big, uh, you know, he told his sergeant, hey, check your gun. I told him, you know, hey, let me take this over. And so the other officer, could you know, check his reload.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah so, ollie I, I see that you're just trolling now, bud, because I'll call out your comment right there. They love killing, yet he stopped firing the meat that immediately when this guy put his hands out. So and and and spoiler alert this guy doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1:So so, nice, try, bud get out of the car, turn off my siren not to mention we got it on audio this guy threatening to kill his baby mama and she's bleeding and had been pistol whipped by him. So why would we not think that he's about to try to kill her? And look what he did to all these other vehicles. Victim rights we don't need that anymore. Yeah right, I know, let that be your daughter that this guy did that to and see where your mindset's at. Jim Norton sent us $20. Appreciate you, brother. Thanks for the support of the show. Let's keep going here. This is the amazing part.
Speaker 5:Unlock the door, get out. If you reach, you won't get shot.
Speaker 1:God, I don't Come out. Stop saying that. Face away from me. Officers, if you are watching this this is part of this is how. How people get hurt. Give them clear commands that don't conflict. Get out of the car, don't reach for anything. You got to reach for the handle. Yep geez, I wouldn't move. I'm not gonna lie. I'd be yelling like you come open the door. I'm not opening it, gonna keep my hands right here.
Speaker 5:Turn away, get out and face away. Keep your hands up, get out of the car, get out, face away, walk backwards Hands up Keep coming, keep coming, keep coming, keep coming, keep coming.
Speaker 1:Stop saying that too. Choose another word Walk back, keep coming. Stop saying that too. Choose another word Walk back, walk backwards, keep walking backwards. Don't say keep coming, keep moving, keep moving, keep moving, yeah, moving Whatever. Yeah, I don't like that. It's a good ringtone. What did Joseph say If you've never been an officer involved shooting or direct action? Combat nobody. Uh, no, that's not what I read homeless, homeless, and no one cares about your red dot and your score is the mindset that you need extra time to arrest a cop for a crime is ridiculous.
Speaker 9:Okay, agree to disagree so here's the other side of that coin. Every time you do a traffic stop, you're getting a ticket. Every time we talk to, you're getting a ticket. Every time we talk to you. You're getting a ticket. Every time that we have any interaction, you're going to jail. There's zero discretion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that could be another.
Speaker 9:I mean so that that if you want, if you want to have the discretion and you want to understand why discretion goes both ways, cause the other thing is is a cop is a different person in society. It's like going after a judge they're a different person in society. It's like going after a lawyer they specialize in the area of law enforcement. So you want to make sure that when you go after them, when you get ready to put bracelets on them, that they don't come back off, because you definitely don't want them coming back to work on Tuesday going hey guys, all that stuff that you just did, it didn't go anywhere, yep, and now I'm going to sue you guys for hostile workplace environment. So not only am I going to get to keep my job, you guys are going to pay me to stay here, yeah. So that's why we want to save money. We want to make sure all the bad cops aren't cops. We all want the same goal.
Speaker 1:Yep, uh, ialle. He said I suffer from a severe case of swine fatigue. Funny, I like it. But hey, man, like I said, all the insults, all that stuff, it's fine, but I just want you guys to have the conversations. You can tear us apart, that's fine, pick apart what we say.
Speaker 1:You guys, honestly, have made everybody on this panel that still does police work, made us better cops. Because I do take and listen to what you guys say and it gets incorporated into how I police and it helps me stay level and get you know thin blue line mentality. Where you're in a cop echo chamber I refuse to be in that. So I love what you guys, I do listen to what you guys say and if I don't agree with you I'll tell you I don't agree with you. But it is what it is. We're never going to agree on everything. Just just have the conversations. So Bob Smith said question Eric or the rest on the panel have you ever had to use your firearm while on duty? I have not. I've been shot at several times. I work in a city with over a million people. There's over a million calls a year, so I'm in a very busy city, but no, I have never had to shoot anybody. I can't speak for everybody on the panel.
Speaker 9:I don't know, but anybody else Stateside I came pretty close once overseas. I was deployed in the first push.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. Yeah, we do have some military guys. I mean, I'm military, quasi-military, I'm Air Force, so we're not over there.
Speaker 1:I'm not on a plane so you don gotta worry about me some of the flies to quake, yeah, um, some. Yeah, right, it would be your escort, sir, um, but uh, let's keep going here. So the amazing thing is, in this video I'll end this video this guy doesn't get hit. Uh, no, at least I don't think he got hit, it didn't. So I so I'm going into the? Uh, the details. Uh, the sergeant chased the car. Uh, you guys already know the details of it. So that tries to escape. Um, that's when the sergeant fired his gun. Campos places hands out of the window, um, and was arrested without being hit by gunfire. The woman who was pistol whipped and two other people in the cars struck by Campos were transported to the area hospital for their injuries weren't considered serious. The victim's child, who was in the back seat, was examined by EMS and was not physically harmed. Campos has been charged with 11 counts, including attempted murder on the woman.
Speaker 10:He fired a round at her car and she backed into the cop car.
Speaker 1:Oh, when that happened.
Speaker 10:Yeah. That would be a good reason why you get out and so he jumped out when she re-rendered him During the shoot.
Speaker 1:Campos slammed his car in a victim's vehicle and pointed the gun at her, threatening to kill her. Officers located him at a traffic light. Officers approached Campbell, fired at least one round at the victim. Okay, so this was after police contact, he fired the gun. So see, this is why it's important to go back and look, and that's something that's easily provable because you'll find the round, you'll figure out where it was hit and all that stuff.
Speaker 10:All I know is we all need to have Mercedes old C-Class, yeah, german engineering, that window did not come out and that was some pretty good grouping under pressure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was crazy. I can't believe that that dude wasn't hit, yep, especially with all the shots were actually on target. Yeah, that was crazy. I can't believe that that dude wasn't hit Yep, let me.
Speaker 9:Especially with all the shots were actually on target Right, which is even crazier Right On the move.
Speaker 10:Yeah, he was moving pretty good.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let me go to this next video here. This one's four minutes long, so it's not that long. Share screen Boom, okay long, so it's not that long. Uh, share screen, boom, okay, let's. Uh, biggie says this one. There we go, and I want to do this view. I like this view better. Well, actually, oh, what is this view? Sorry, I like to play with the views every once in a while. Guy, nope, I don't like that, do that, do that side panel view.
Speaker 1:Look the better you yeah, yeah, I like this one better. Okay, and play again. Shout out to police activity. Make sure you guys check out their channel happening right there.
Speaker 5:Again, shout out to Police Activity, make sure, you guys check out their channel.
Speaker 1:What's happening right there? Gunshot. We'll wait for the body camera. Oh shit, a crossfire. Okay, first thing I noticed as a cop is there's a whole bunch of different units here, so this looks like this is somebody that they were after, maybe, or there's some sort of event going on, but you're playing close people. Yeah, there's playing close guys here, so plus you've got guys that aren't playing close.
Speaker 10:So it tells you that you know there's some kind of like event or they're doing an actual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly. Somebody said oh, that was a good question from. I'm not saying that name, that's too close to get me in trouble. Nice try, nice try. Mister, I'm not saying that out loud, but would you give up qualified immunity? I think it needs to be tweaked, absolutely I think it needs to be tweaked. But I think if you get rid of it completely you're not going to get people to do the job. That's just my opinion. I do think it's flawed and I think it needs to be addressed, because somebody like Mr Billfold, I think he's told me before that 99-point-something percent of anybody that's ever lost their qualified immunity, still nothing's happened to them. So that tells me right away there's something wrong with that. There's something wrong with that.
Speaker 9:That needs to change.
Speaker 1:That needs to change. Yeah, so, yeah, it needs to be changed. The way that it is currently is wrong, but I think you get rid of it and this is where we've gotten in debates, a lot is. I don't think you should get rid of it and this is where we've gotten in debates, a lot is. I don't think you should get rid of it completely. I think it needs to exist in a way, but it needs to be fixed.
Speaker 10:Would you agree, though, like that's the same as most laws need to have movement one way or the other, because we're always in a moving forward role. Things aren't the way they were in the 1700s, so oh, you mean like adapted for change yeah, yeah, as time. I mean, we still have a law on the book that you can't spit on the sidewalks right, like in texas, you can't paint your chickens on natural color right right, I mean we'll just be adaptable.
Speaker 9:It's kind of like normal things to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't have seven or more toys in your vehicle. Yeah, I mean like those are other things that you can't have in texas. So yeah, it needs to be fixed. It's flawed a hundred percent. It's flawed, um, but abolished. I think if you abolish it it's going to be kind of like the defund the police movement. That's just my opinion. So does that mean I'm right? No, doesn't mean I'm right. I don't know. I don't know a better fix.
Speaker 6:So we're going to have that talk. We're going to bring in experts. Let me use somebody else's comments.
Speaker 1:Self-proclaimed experts, lenny, said Lenny said that guy's name is the cornerstone, not a racial name. Yeah, doesn't matter. You know how AI is these days. All somebody's got to do is just get me somewhat pronounced in something questionable and they can change it. I'm not even taking the chance, sir. I'm not even taking the chance. Let's keep going with this video.
Speaker 9:One voice. Let's do that.
Speaker 1:We've got several cops. I can't tell if these are cops. No, no, no, do that. Yeah, so we got several cops. I can't tell if these are cops. No, no, let's do this. This is citizens coming in, taking, separating everybody. That would be the last thing I'd want to happen. What I would have happened from here is we all move in and start closing up the crime scene um, or in rendering aid, because obviously this guy got shot so it just looked like, too like there was a bunch of people there.
Speaker 9:There was just more than two shots. There was definitely a shootout. That just happened and then everybody in the area just swarmed back into the area. Yeah, like I, I don't know yeah, unless you're supposed to be there like you're responding.
Speaker 1:Okay, he's got a gun for sure. Yep, yeah, it looks like he's firing. Dropped it. Okay, he reached for the gun again, and that's when I heard more shots fired, so I'm okay with this so far?
Speaker 10:Was there a cop tackling him just prior to him coming back around?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, they were trying.
Speaker 1:He was trying to wrestle him to the ground and then this guy was. They were fighting over that gun. Okay, so this will. He's trying to make contact with this guy. He's looking back. We don't know why he's trying to make contact with this guy. He's looking back. We don't know why he's trying to make contact. Okay, now he's reaching in a bag.
Speaker 1:So the immediate question is going to be are we making lawful contact with this guy? Is there a reason for us to be stopping him? So let's play this down two different roles. One we have a lawful reason. This guy starts ignoring us. Now we're chasing after him. Everything falls into place. Now the other side of the house is going to be do we not have a legal reason to go after him? So then that's going to change things a lot. Trying to grab this down. That was a gunshot. So this officer's not even he's not even in the gunfight. Those first shots we heard were from the bad guy, the guy with the gun. So everybody's getting the deck. This guy did what I like to call a tactical retreat. So there is no shame in running away to get in a better tactical position. This is a military strategy.
Speaker 6:You you grab cover so you can be effective right now you know, eric doesn't. You know, running away is not what he's saying. It's it's you're running to cover, so you turn around. Yeah, there, yeah, instead of standing there and be a bullet sponge just to say that you were is not what he's saying. It's you're running to cover, so you turn around. Yeah, get your guns on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, instead of standing there and be a bullet sponge just to say that you were a bullet sponge. Let's keep going. Oh Okay, let me keep going. So this officer just took a big risk coming around that corner blind, because he's in the crossfire yeah, he is well, and then he's firing back into the people.
Speaker 10:Yeah yes, absolutely doesn't know where he's fired, who he's firing at yep, yep, um, let's uh hold on one second.
Speaker 1:Um, we have spammers, so I gotta block the spammers trying to put their porn sites on our chat. It's not my burner account. Wade lucero, do those man versus scare cops? Well, he did pull a gun out of it and turn around and fire.
Speaker 10:So, that's a conversation we get to have in a little bit yeah.
Speaker 1:So let's keep going here. And obviously it didn't scare him enough to start shooting the guy for digging in the bag. He didn't. There was no shots fired until he dug in the bag, got the gun out while a cop was trying to take him to the ground and then started firing. So I give these cops kudos for at least trying to go hands on before just immediately trying to shoot somebody. Oof, you hear that that's Bill bouncing off the pole right now.
Speaker 10:That's scary shit, man. Real time was involved in that one. Yeah, they were getting shot in that one, okay so that guy goes running.
Speaker 1:Woo one, yeah, they were getting shot in that one. Okay, so that guy goes running everywhere did anybody else get hit shotguns and tattoos? Throwing $5 in the chat, love it. Better to protect yourself than not agreed striders away. You guys and Mr Izzo, I love you. Hey, awesome, take a game. Strider's Way. You guys, I'm Mr Iz. I love you.
Speaker 1:Hey awesome, take a good look, I'm going to pause it here, because this is just intentional. This is intentional gaslighting and I'm going to call you out for it. So all man versus scare cops now. Is that why he was stopped? We haven't even got to that yet. We don't know why they were pulling him or why they were stopping him.
Speaker 6:I can envision the embasement that this is coming from right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Allie 1, if you're going to call out and say dumb shit, you just saw what happened. He tried to tackle him, take him down while he was drawing a gun out of that bag and then he shot at him. So am I scared of getting shot? Yeah, I am. Yes, I am very scared of getting. I don't want to get shot. But at the same time, they didn't just start shooting this guy, they actually didn't start shooting until they were shot at.
Speaker 6:Can we? Is there anything I can't pull it up? Is there anything in this description?
Speaker 1:We'll get to that. Once the video is done, we'll get to the description. I haven't read it. I don't know what they say. So 60 shots in five seconds, holy shit, that's a lot of shots. Let's keep going. So now, here's the problem. You've got a crime scene. You've got I don't know whose gun that is. I don't know if that's a cop's gun or the bad guy's gun this officer tossed it over there.
Speaker 1:We got it away from him so now we've got to render aid and make sure he's secure. Make got it away from from him, yep, okay. So now we've got to render aid and make sure he's secure, make sure there's nothing on him. Uh, for cops out there on stuff like this, when you know that they're like possibly mortally wounded, like if you can secure the hands and check real quick that there's no other weapons like it, it's okay to start rendering aid, like asap, um, and and try to get some life-saving measures on this person. So you gotta get everybody out of this scene and you can't start rendering aid because these guys are all in the scene I don't know if this is family, friends, who this is. So, um, now the crowd is becoming violent.
Speaker 9:This becomes the headline police fail to render aid. That's what the headline will read. It won't read police are dealing with a huge fight after a shooting. It will read police fail to render aid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's go to the details here. See why we were there and why we were doing what we were doing. I'm going to stop sharing and I'll read this First. Shout out to Safinsher. Insurance said it's nuance. I believe there's a larger part of the population that has become disillusioned with policing in this country. Fair Cop has pucker factor now. Yeah, you're not lying, sir. Okay, so let's see here. Baltimore Police Department officers and unmarked cruisers were in the area of Pennsylvania Avenue and Lawrence Street when they encountered 36-year-old Junior standing at the corner carrying a crossbody bag on his back. The officers attempted to speak with Abdullah from their vehicle and then one officer exited the unmarked cruiser and approached Abdullah on foot. Abdullah began walking and the officer followed. As the officer followed, abdullah shifted the bag from the back to the front, which we saw, and they started fleeing. Okay, so right away, I'm not seeing a justification. That's not a justification from what I'm reading.
Speaker 9:so not from just that, not from the other units that were in and the second body camera from the guy in the back seat that got out. Just given prior experience, it seems to me to believe that there is more than is in the description right and that's possible, but from based on what we're reading right now, I would say that was not.
Speaker 1:There's no like we didn't have a reason to chase him, so so how many?
Speaker 10:yeah, I mean you come to texas. How many people are wearing a cross drone bag like that? We know there's a gun in it, yeah, not the 945 industries.
Speaker 1:I wear a crossbody bag with a holster. That's what it's designed for. Um, so everybody carries in texas. So I'm I'm not seeing, uh, raz or pc to make contact with this guy. Can you do a consensual?
Speaker 1:yeah, but if the guy decides to run on a consensual encounter like, let him freaking get his exercise in let him run so let me see you next time if I don't have, if I don't have, a freaking probable cause, reason to freaking, stop you bye, yeah, so um, a third officer posted at an intersection in a separate mark cruiser also exited her vehicle. As the first officer grabbed, abdullah firearm was discharged. This prompted the officers to retreat and take cover. Abdullah then pointed the firearm at the officers and three officers exchanged gunfire, with Abdullah striking him. The firearm was recovered from Abdullah and secured by an officer.
Speaker 1:A crowd gathered Abdullah, which prevented officers from immediately rendering aid. Within minutes, the scene was secured. Okay, so they did end up getting it secured. Officers administered medical assistance until emergency units arrived. Abdullah was transferred into a hospital where he was pronounced deceased. According to the police, one round believed to be from Abdullah ricocheted and struck an officer in the foot. The officer is recovering and he has been released from the hospital following surgery. Okay, so now it goes into reason for contact. Did you contact him? So what they're saying in the chat about being scared of a crossbody bag like I'm sorry in Texas, I don't care if I see you can carry man.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You can carry everywhere. So I would love to know what the laws are in Baltimore. Is that what that one was out of?
Speaker 9:Yes.
Speaker 1:It's one of the things that I love about Texas. Like I carry, carry wherever you want, like you, I don't. I don't know, alan, are those blonde tips?
Speaker 10:No, Tim, that's called gray hair. Oh, I like that so yeah, I don't see.
Speaker 1:I did not see probable cause to make contact. I'm sorry, reasonable suspicion to make contact based on what we see. There may be more and, just like Deadleg was saying, we don't know, we don't have the report in front of us and this is just a description on YouTube. We don't know.
Speaker 10:Well, and then they jumped out of an unmarked unit. You know like, do you have the right to move away from people that are like I don't know who you are getting out of that car coming after them?
Speaker 6:Did you yell stop police, did you? Are you wearing proper gear that identifies yourself as a cop? Yeah, you know, and I do have a problem with that and it's. I've seen some videos out there like that. You have some of these ucs or undercovers out there that do things and they're putting their report. They, you know, fail to listen to to verbal command. You're freaking joe schmo on the street wearing you know, like what I'm wearing right now. If I yelled at somebody to stop and they told me to go fucking climb a tree, yeah, you know, unless I've got police and I'm properly marked, yeah, they're gonna tell me to go pound freaking sand. They don't want me to come over there and sit on them.
Speaker 1:They're gonna take it off, yeah where I'm at, cop cops are not allowed to use undercover cars to do any sort of stops, any sort of jump outs or anything like that, unless it's immediate, imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death. Like that. Is it so if they saw an officer fighting with somebody holding a gun and they're fighting over the gun and they're an unmarked car, that would be justification to jump out. But other than that, like they shouldn't be jumping out and they shouldn't be the primary, especially shouldn't be the primary unit jumping out trying to go chase down somebody when you don't have reason to make contact and if you and that's where, yeah, dead, like brought it up earlier where I do think there was something else going on here, because there's enough marked units.
Speaker 10:You know, in our neck of the woods if we're going to go do something unmarked, there's going to be a marked unit in the very near vicinity to get involved so we can start saying, hey, yeah, we're police yeah, um harrison said that the gun laws are better in kentucky than texas.
Speaker 1:Uh, nah said even an unjustified stop is not cause to shoot at officers. No, and you're right. You're right, yeah, he shouldn't be shooting at the cops. I'm not. Sometimes I tend to focus on the cop side of things because I think that the suspect side of things is too easy. Like, of course you shouldn't be shooting at cops and he knew he was shooting at cops. Like I get that. But if we're going gonna hold cops to a higher standard, we got to get into the. Why did we screw up? Where did we screw up and how do we fix it? Well, I would say get more pc before you try stopping somebody. Get more reasonable, articulable suspicion of a crime before you stop somebody just because somebody's got a cross body bag. I, we don't know. I don't know, maybe he saw the hilt of a gun poking out of it and that's illegal there.
Speaker 6:I don't know, we're speculating and it makes me believe that city has gone through a lot of shit in the past 10 years.
Speaker 1:Where they filmed the wire. Yeah, absolutely one of the best cops ever.
Speaker 9:Country's task force was there yep yep.
Speaker 9:So, it leads me to believe that there's more than something here. All four of us say this is kind of weird when four people have the same little spidey sense. Because the other thing too is if there's active investigations, a lot of times you're going to give as much information as you have to because you don't want to compromise another investigation. Or if we have this guy in custody and he's starting to spill the beans on somebody else, yeah, we're not gonna. Hey, he's spilling the beans on everybody. Like we're not gonna let that out. So the the lack of complete information. The other thing too is trying to get information out of that scene. Look how long it took for them to get control of the scene. Yeah, I'm surprised they did.
Speaker 1:I'm surprised they did. Let's get information. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. So the question is how do we improve, how do we get better on this call? What can we learn from it? Michael Boris said just remember, freestanding God's judgment, there will be no three blue line to help you. Yeah, I agree, sir, absolutely, absolutely. Michael, you're spot on. That's why. I told you. You shouldn't be doing things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you shouldn't be doing things based on a thin blue line. You should be doing things based on the golden rule. And if you're a religious person, you know, christian or whatever it is, whatever your choice be. We don't get into religion on here or politics. So whatever it is, whatever your choice be, we don't get into religion on here or politics. So whatever it is. But, yeah, I don't think you're wrong on that, um, but yeah. So if we're going to improve on this one, if we're going to make stops, your reasonable, articular suspicion for stopping somebody, better be fucking spot on. I did not see, based on the description and based on what we saw was enough, and we couldn't hear what's being said. We don't know if there was a tip. We don't know. There's a lot of unknown factors. So let's be fair and be objective. Let's not let our biases towards if we love police, if we hate police, affect us.
Speaker 6:If you can't get the quote, unquote bad guy today, because the legal law is not there. Wait till the next day period. If somebody is doing something illegal, they're going to keep doing it. And you know, for me, I'm a huge probable cause guy, just like any any good cop out there. If I don't have probable cause directly in front of me, I'm leaving it alone. I will catch them the next friggin time that they do that, and it may take years, but have the reason to do it, you know, and it's yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 9:I'll highlight this one. I believe the suicide rate is so high right now because cops grow conscious later in life. Or I'll propose another one. There's four cops or former cops here just told you that there's a lot of lack of support for cops in the community right now, and they just see that there's no end in sight. Because they just listened to comments for the last two or three hours, three and a half hours, of how we're all bad, no matter what. We're bad, bad, bad, bad. You're nothing but bad. You can't do good, you're a bootlicker. Maybe, maybe that's a reason. Maybe they need a little bit more support. Maybe because they're going from a dead baby call to this call. Maybe they're human too. Maybe, all the time that we go, all the cops are all bad. Well, they're dealing with people for a reason.
Speaker 9:Yeah, like, if you want me to highlight the thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of times that police are held accountable, okay, how much more? What? What is it that you're wanting? You just want to be able to go scot-free and do whatever you want. That's what's. That's what it is. Or you just want to complain to to complain, but to say that suicide's raised because they grow conscience. That's. That's horrible. That's a horrible thing to say because the people in that video we just watched, they said 60 shots in five seconds. They all ran towards the gunfire yeah, yeah, so it it sucks.
Speaker 1:I, I hope anybody that has mental health issues inside of law enforcement, outside of law enforcement. I hope you guys are able to help get that, because Well, mental health in this entire country needs addressing.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, I can't go out there. But how do we do that? I don't care who you are, I don't care who you are, you're going to go out there just being a motorist on our roads and you could be exposed to a post-traumatic stress syndrome of an event that happens. You've got to get help for it. You've got to go talk to somebody for it, period. We're not He-Man, superman, whatever you know, super, whatever. You've got to go get help for that. If you think that you don't, that's the problem. Go talk to somebody.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely All right, I got, I got one more video here and then we'll we'll call it, and we've been going almost three and a half hours, so I want to. I want to get this guy here. We're going to go share our Instagram page real quick. We're going to click on this guy. Okay, let me get this out of the way. Oh, that's not what I want.
Speaker 10:They wanted you to say it earlier, so you're going to have to just put it in there, even though you couldn't say biggie size earlier. Oh yeah, you're going to have to say it anyway, I'm going to try to biggie size this one.
Speaker 1:I I'm. I don't know why it's not letting me okay you guys may have to watch this weird. I don't know why it's all squished together like oh, maybe it's because I'm too far zoomed in, that's why there we go. Okay, now let's try.
Speaker 9:You're trying to be social with your media. Not much just walking around.
Speaker 8:Videotaping the police department is not a good idea. Why? You guys are friendly people. We are, but why are we doing this? Why wouldn't we? Because it's a security issue for us, is it? It is? I don't think so. It is it's public property. It is public property, but our perimeter and our gates and what our activities are, it's a concern to us. Why are we doing that? I don't have to have a reason. You don't have a reason. I don't have to have one. Okay, do you have a driver's license? I can see I don't. What is your name? I'm not going to give that to you. You're not going to give it to me. No, why would I give it to you? I haven't done anything wrong. Well, you're recording our property. You're recording our building, sure, and it's a security issue. Am I being detained?
Speaker 6:you are okay until I can get you identified what's your reasonable, because I want to make sure you're not doing something that's a problem for our law enforcement community, looking to create a problem here for us? No, not at all, I'm being polite and cordial. I'm being polite, cordial too I'm asking a little bit of a verse so we can identify you.
Speaker 8:I don't need to and be on our way. Why would I need to identify myself? Because I'm asking you to identify yourself. What's your name and badge number? My name, good, so you have to have refusing to identify yourself? Well, there's no need to. 39, 16. Are you a supervisor? Okay, you just called for a supervisor. I did there you go.
Speaker 1:Thank you, oh, officer. Sorry, I didn't mean to show my part um oh, that pisses me off. Yeah, I got so aggravated on this video um, is it really that easy?
Speaker 1:yeah, and and admittedly I clipped it up because when you do shorts and reels, guys, it's got to be under three minutes. So that video was a little longer and it was just it was back and forth between those two. But this, this auditor does wonderful and is 100 percent right and this cop is 100 percent wrong. And luckily a supervisor shows up and ends up putting the officer and telling him what is legal and not legal. But it was apparently and painfully obvious that this officer, his training was bad and he didn't know any better. So the question becomes like how do we fix this fucking?
Speaker 10:issue becomes like how do we fix this fucking issue? Well, I mean you first.
Speaker 1:You have to start start with the fact that he uh went to the best barber in town, yeah yeah, yeah, so I'm, I'm not, I'm not a fan, and we've discussed this before. Do you have to id? No, and everybody's been saying in the comments all night like there's that id crack that we get as cops and we've talked about this before, but we'll talk about it tonight because we still have a ton of people from Long Island's page on here and everything. So basically, people are like why are cops so ID crack addicts? Like? There's several reasons. One we're information gatherers. So, as long island said, you know tonight, it doesn't hurt to ask, it's not illegal to ask. So cops are going to always ask because their information gathers. That's how they're trained trained to get as much information as we can on any calls that we're dealing with.
Speaker 1:Um, because we've been burned in the past where the suspect was on scene and we didn't even know they were there, because we're like well, I don't have a reason to ID them, so they don't even bother. So it's that whole attitude it doesn't hurt to ask. Now the real question is knowing the difference between when you can demand it versus when you can't, and that's where we start to get in trouble and that's where this guy was going to start going down that path of well, if you don't give me your ID, then you're going to get arrested for failure to ID, which that does not meet the elements. Failure to ID is a secondary offense once you've been arrested. So, for everybody listening, failure to ID is a secondary offense once you've been arrested. So glad we're getting that once you've been arrested. So I'm glad we're getting that, um, but anyway, uh, anybody got anything else?
Speaker 10:to add on that one, I think it's no, it's pretty straight pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was terrible.
Speaker 9:Um, we could definitely do better the one thing that, like you ask how do you make change?
Speaker 9:And a lot of sadly, the only way you make change is you hit them in the pocketbook and an agency like the way that this stuff gets in the pocketbook and an agency like the way that this stuff gets paid out, it's it doesn't affect them the way that you think it does. So I would say, just keep doing what you're doing with these audits and post them online, because I guarantee, if I was still an active cop, and one of my officers that I was in charge of or I representative, showed up on one of these audit videos and they failed miserably. You don't think that I'm going to shame them in front of the entire shift. Yeah, this is what you don't do as an example of what to do and make it a training, but I'm going to shame them so they know that, hey one, you did not good, but you did not good and everybody else sees that this is what this is, not an example of what to be doing yeah, yeah, this is a really good question by city bangers, pyro, cool name.
Speaker 1:Do you think these auditors, particularly the bad ones, will actually hurt our rights by congress changing laws to prevent filming? Someplace by the constitution man, yes, you're protected by the constitution, but I think to his point. Do I think that there's going to be some corrupt politicians that try to get things?
Speaker 8:changed I think so.
Speaker 1:I think they will.
Speaker 10:Well, it's just like some of our states that you have to notify recordings and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 9:Two-party states and stuff like that.
Speaker 10:Two-party states and stuff like that. It's hard enough to know. Um, yeah, I think they're going to try.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so too. Um, I, I, I do think that that's that's going to be. I think is a great question. I think that's something that, uh, certain States will start to try to push. That you know for sure. Yeah, yeah, City. Push that you know for sure. Yeah, yeah, city, city pyro uh I do think it's such a cool name. Um, yeah, I think that I think you know one of the things I was thinking about during the show tonight.
Speaker 10:You know, um, about everybody asking for id and things like that. I guess I never I didn't run into it as much because nobody around here has their id with them, nobody, like it's always name, you know what's your name, you know, and then we kind of have to go on faith that they're giving us the right name. And every once in a while you get into the jail. That they weren't, but they probably, if you looked up in their history, it's because they had given a wrong name at the jail in the past and so I didn't run into that as much as I guess a lot of others did, because nobody around here ever has their ID with them.
Speaker 9:So yeah, I was federal, so every time I made contact with someone they had to have an ID, because it's all on federal property. It's a completely different ballgame because for our side of law enforcement, for that when we're IDing people, it's not necessarily just to ID them of who are you. It could be. Who are you? Are you part of this country? Should you be here? Do you have authorization to be here?
Speaker 6:The area where you patrolled, you had to have authorization to be in the quote unquote public spaces of whatever it was. So it's a little bit different, yeah.
Speaker 9:But we did run into, like the first amendment, auditors and things like that and you'd get cause we had contractors that would work with the gates and stuff like that. And you get them calling me and be like, well, I'm like they're on a sidewalk. If anybody can walk up and down that sidewalk, all I can do is go, hey, what are you doing? And we're, we're watching, we're seeing the same thing that they're doing. Would you not think that we have cameras too? I'm going to follow them to their car.
Speaker 9:I can find out where, I can find out all kinds of information about that person without even making contact with them. So they're not doing anything illegal. And if I think that they're doing something suspicious, I can gain some intel on it. So if down the road something happens, I detective says, hey, we had someone doing some recon over here and he was looked like they were filming. I'm like, oh well, I seen banning and that you know 98 red pontiac grand prix over here, and this was the license plate like three days ago, like if they're videotaping stuff, it's one's 2025.
Speaker 9:The amount of time in the day that you spend not on a camera is less.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 9:The amount of time that you spend on a camera.
Speaker 6:Well, guys they need to make a. They need to make a grand prix with more leg room. I don't fit in those very well. We've been going three and a half hours.
Speaker 1:So I I'm going to tap out. I think this is a good breaking point for everybody who listened or watched tonight. This is going to be put onto our podcast audio so you can catch it on all the main things like Spotify, apple and all that good stuff. So we'll have the audio up there, the live. You'll be able to pull up anytime on YouTube. So if you want to watch this later, we're on.
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Speaker 1:As you can see, we're trying to bridge and do the best that we can here and and thank you for everybody that, even if you came into troll and decided to throw a couple of good questions our way, thank you we. We honestly, we try. Um, it is very hard to get cops to come to the table and have these discussions and I think it's more important than ever that we do and I think we're trying and, uh, we, we've done the best that we know how to do. This is a different median that nobody's ever really done and it's again, we're trying to avoid being a cop echo chamber.
Speaker 1:I know it sounds like we're cop splaining sometimes. I'm sorry, it's just the nature of the beast. Sometimes you're going to get some cop splanations. We try not to, but you guys keep us level. You guys keep us. You know, listening to a side of our life that we haven't done in a long time Cause we've all been in law enforcement for so long. So this this keeps us even and I thank you guys a lot. So, everybody, thank you for tuning in tonight. Again, thank you to Tim and Mr Billfold for helping us out to pull up some really good videos from Long Island and Banning. You got anything.
Speaker 6:No man, Thanks to Alan Deadleg being in the background helping this thing run smooth. Sean, thank you for coming on our show. If you ever happen to catch the end of this, it was a treat for us to have you on here. I know you're a busy guy and keep doing what you're doing out there. These other guys that are doing the First Amendment audits, that are doing it right, go forth and conquer. We'd love to have you on our shows here. We're all human. Here. We all put our pants on the same way every day. The Constitution is amazing and we're here to talk about it.
Speaker 1:You got anything to take off with Deadleg.
Speaker 9:No, I'm ready for bed.
Speaker 1:All right, alan Same here.
Speaker 10:Okay, I look forward to seeing you guys next week. We try to do this once a week, guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If I wasn't able to get to your comments tonight, I apologize. Tony, I love it. Thanks for the art buddy. Yeah, there was just too many guys. We had like 3,000 people, I think, at our peak maybe four, and we just could not keep up. There's too many. So I do apologize if we didn't get to it. We did our best. But yeah, everybody else, Thanks for tuning in. Have a good night Later. Appreciate it guys.
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