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COPS Legend Jerry Worms Reveals Nunchuck Tactics and Policing Evolution
From Hollywood producer to pioneering law enforcement reality star, Jerry Worms takes us behind the scenes of his remarkable career as the first officer ever featured on COPS. With disarming candor and decades of perspective, Jerry reveals how a documentary about the crack epidemic led to connections with the Broward Sheriff's Office, ultimately changing his life path and television history.
Jerry shares eye-opening stories about policing tactics that have vanished from modern departments, including his specialized use of nunchucks (officially called "flex batons") as compliance tools before tasers and pepper spray became standard equipment. "When you squeeze down on that radial nerve, that guy would just comply," Jerry explains, offering a fascinating glimpse into pre-digital era law enforcement approaches.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as Jerry reveals insider secrets, including how COPS producers obtained releases from arrestees by telling them they were signing release papers—leading many to believe they were being freed rather than agreeing to show their faces on television. This revelation alone demonstrates the dramatic evolution of media ethics and police-public interactions.
What makes this conversation truly special is Jerry's unique perspective spanning four decades of American policing. From witnessing the birth of specialized riot control units to observing the profound impact of cell phones and body cameras, Jerry offers valuable insights on how technology has transformed the profession. He candidly assesses today's policing challenges, expressing concern about officers' over-reliance on tools and decreasing willingness to go hands-on with suspects—a perspective that bridges generations of law enforcement approaches.
Whether you're a law enforcement professional, a fan of the original COPS series, or simply interested in how policing has evolved, Jerry's stories and observations offer an invaluable window into an era of American law enforcement that shaped today's practices and public perceptions.
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Speaker 1:I'm your host, eric Levine, with me, as always, banning Sweatland, and our special guest today is the fucking legend of cops If you guys remember the old episodes of Cops, jerry Worms, and was the first on Cops ever. How are you, sir? I'm fine. Thank you for having me Fucking legend, a living legend in the mix, jerry, there's a whole bunch. I want to get started with you on here, but the biggest thing that I want to know about is who had the idea to carry nunchucks on duty?
Speaker 2:Well, my department was one of the only departments doing it.
Speaker 2:So, you know, when the whole the whole thing about the nunchucks is, when I first started, you had nothing on your belt and if you jumped out of your car, if you're working nights, you got to grab your big stream light, which was, you know, you know this long radio, pop your radio out, grab your stream light and then you had to take this big nightstick and stick it in a ring and then try to, you know, run with that.
Speaker 2:So when they offered the nunchuck classes, the nunchuck stayed right on your belt. So that's one less thing you need to grab when you're jumping out of your car. Plus, you could use them in many different ways. So it was just a great tool. And a guy named Joe Hess, who started out as a New Jersey cop and he was also the world champion, karate champion, and he became one of the instructors at Broward Community College where the police academy was. So he was talking about, you know, instituting this and my department allowed you to carry them if you got certified from a 20-hour class you had to take and then every year you would take a one-hour recertification.
Speaker 1:Okay Now Jerry, can you tell people that don't know you? Can you give them a little bit of your background so they know where you're coming from, why we keep calling you a legend and how long exactly you did in law enforcement?
Speaker 2:Well prior to law enforcement, I was working in Hollywood. I lived in California and I was in the entertainment business and I worked for John Travolta. That's how I got started in the entertainment business. John Travolta was a childhood friend of mine. What and when his career took off, I started working for his manager and then I wound up working with his production company for a little while and Things didn't go as planned and I wound up becoming independent and working on a lot of independent films and documentaries, and the last project I worked on when I was in Hollywood was a show called the doping of a nation, where I was one of the producers of a show which was all about drugs and crack was just exploding at that time and it was uh. Geraldo Rivera was the host of it.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you guys remember that show. It was one of the specials that Geraldo was in and my job was to do all the uh coordination with the police departments to do filming. We filmed all over the country for months and when that was over I actually applied to the Broward Sheriff's Office because we did some filming with them and I got accepted and I went to the police academy back in the day you know you're talking about. You know, in the middle lady, middle 80s, and I went to the police academy, the guys that one of the producers of that was a guy named john langley and malcolm barber and that um led to cops because they um wanted to do the show with you know like the the show of cops, but without Geraldo.
Speaker 2:So the Geraldo show was kind of like the godfather to cops. So then they came back to Broward and I was already a police officer with Broward at the time. So they came back to Broward and they knew what they needed and I was already familiar with what they needed and they stuck a cameraman and a sound man with me and off we went. And that's how cops was born.
Speaker 1:No shit, that's so I'm now. I will tell you it is one of the things that made me want to become a cop. I remember watching in the whole three calls, every episode. Three calls that was the breakdown, that was the timeframe that you could get all this stuff in. And I remember I'm like is this what my dad does? Like is this how all these calls go for him? Cause cops showed the best of the best stuff almost all the time.
Speaker 2:Well, you had to realize too. You know, when you have a cameraman, you know you're talking about. No digital You're talking about talking about, if you remember, they had these big cameras. They were shooting what they call beta cam.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these guys, so the big cameras they're carrying on their shoulders with them, and then the sound man's chasing them with a boom mic and um, they're just riding with you. You know the whole shift, yeah, and you know you're shooting 40 hours of tape and maybe you're going to get five minutes of air time yeah, so yeah, now okay, question and banning.
Speaker 1:I know you're wondering this too. Yeah, who the fuck did you guys hire as camera guys? Because they were faster than the cops and I know they were carrying more weight yeah, those guys, uh, those guys really knew uh what to do.
Speaker 2:I mean, they were they were. They were pretty athletic, athletic guys.
Speaker 1:That was like these guys are fucking quick. Yeah, it wasn't your. You know your typical mid-90s view of a camera guy where you just think of a big, fat dude. I'm like that's not who was in the car. On cops. They were quick and they were usually faster than the officers because they'd be running next to them like catch up, Like I can't run, I'm running faster and you've got to go faster.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you have to realize those guys, you know they had to be pretty athletic because they had to jump out of the car. If I'm jumping out of the car they're jumping out with me and they're basically. You know, everything was basically as it happened. Nothing was scripted, it was all action. It depends what area you worked in, you know. Obviously they're not going to go into some bourbon neighborhood and ride around all day where you might get one or two calls. The district I started in was an unincorporated Fort Lauderdale area and crack was exploding. There were guys selling dope on every corner so they knew if they had a camera guy with me they were going to see stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now back then you guys, as far as equipment goes on your person, you guys were carrying revolvers, I'm assuming.
Speaker 2:No, I started with a Beretta 92F. That was my first gun. So, that was a great gun. The only thing is it was a pretty heavy gun. It was pretty heavy but it was a great gun. I carried that for a while, then went to a Glock. Then Glocks became real popular Glock 40. I had a Glock 40 caliber. Then, when I went over to Coral Springs, we carried SIGs.
Speaker 1:Then you were carrying a gun. Pepper spray didn't exist, or at least not the stuff that we use today.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 1:No, tasers, nope. So you had a nightstick or a PR-24 that didn't even exist then.
Speaker 2:I didn't even have that. I started with a nightstick, but I went right into a nunchuck as soon as I could. So right into a nunchuck as soon as I could, so I had basically nunchucks, radio gun, magazines, handcuffs.
Speaker 1:That's it, god that's awesome and that's like in that rate. When the ninja turtles came out, like I'm thinking back, I'm like man, I because I want. I was making nunchucks out of everything as a kid. You know, anything I could get a hold of I was because I was making nunchucks out of everything as a kid, anything I could get a hold of. I was always trying to make nunchucks and it was because of the Ninja Turtles and so I laugh. I was a full-grown-ass man. I wasn't watching cartoons.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing about the nunchucks which I use more than for striking is if you went into, let's say, say, a bar and you needed to take a guy out of there, you'd come up to him, you take the nunchucks and you slip him on his wrist right and then throw his wrist behind him. When you squeeze down on the nunchucks because it wasn't a, it was a rope between them, not a chain right, because these were, these nunchucks were made specifically for police, they were. They were called flex batons. They weren really. They didn't call them nunchucks, they called them flex batons. And when you squeeze down on that radial nerve, that guy would just comply, just like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could see it being a great leverage tool because you literally have so much leverage based on where you're gripping that thing at, especially if you can get it on the end and start pulling somebody around. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:So, come along holds were the best thing. You wanted to grab a guy, take him somewhere, bring him to your car. You put them on the nunchuck around his wrist and they complied. You know pretty well yeah.
Speaker 1:That's so funny, it's so unusual you don't you definitely never hear about. That's so funny, it's so unusual, you don't you. You definitely never hear about that, I, I can't. I wonder how popular those were nationwide.
Speaker 2:Was that just a unique thing where y'all were at, well, you had a you know every department you had to have somebody to train you to do it. So how many guys could train you to use nunchucks in in a police setting? And this guy, joe hess, who was a cop in new jersey, who was an instructor at the police academy they you know he could he could give you a certification.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3:That's crazy, jerry jerry, one of my guys on LinkedIn, just commented under this live and I'm not sure if it's in the chat over here. He said I worked with Jerry, Outstanding Deputy and his name is Martin Katz, with a K.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Can you see that on the screen, Jerry? No.
Speaker 2:I can't see any of the things I could see myself full screen now.
Speaker 1:Okay, I put comments up on the screen when people are saying stuff, so I put it up there. I thought maybe you could see it, but if not, we'll start reading all of them when they.
Speaker 2:Okay yeah, Marty Katz and I, we work together. Actually, he's written a couple books.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. He said very popular in Wildwood New Jersey. Yeah, oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:So in my background there you see some of the stuff I got from my old days there the background if you zoom in you can see my old original white shirt, because when we first started we didn't have green, we started with the white shirts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's the nunchucks hanging in the back there oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that, and you got copville. Shout out to copville. I see his back right there.
Speaker 2:But the copville and then that that um plaque in the back. There is all my badges on the top and then my father's badges are on the bottom.
Speaker 1:Very cool, you know my wife uh had that made for me, for father's badges are on the bottom.
Speaker 2:Very cool, yeah, my wife had that made for me for father's day.
Speaker 1:Okay, um, so one of the things that I'm kind of nervous about with your phone if we start watching these, uh, these videos, are you going to be able to see them? Okay, there, I unmirrored your camera. I didn't realize. I un-mirrored, yeah, so I'm curious if you're going to be able to see them, to be able to do these breaks.
Speaker 2:Well, let's see.
Speaker 1:Let me test. We'll test one right here, just to find out. Let me share.
Speaker 2:I don't see Banning anymore. Is he in the bottom? Yeah, he's on the bottom.
Speaker 1:Hold on one second. Okay, is he in the bottom? Yeah, he's on the bottom. Hold on one second.
Speaker 2:So Well, I could see, I could see the video pretty good right now. Okay, so you can see all that.
Speaker 1:All right, good to know. I just wanted to make sure we didn't really test that out before we got started. Okay, but yeah. Yeah, banning's on the bottom now. So I moved you to the big dog spot Now Jerry. Um now Jerry, 30 year career, 31 year career. What was your specialties? What did you focus in?
Speaker 2:I? Um, well, I started as a as a road patrol deputy and then, uh, after uh, a few years on the road, I made a detective. Um, so I I went and worked detectives Each district that we had had our own detective division for burglaries, robberies and thefts. If it was something more serious, like a homicide or attempted sexual assault, something like that, then it would go to the general detective division downtown. So I worked the detective division there.
Speaker 2:Then I got promoted and then when I got promoted I got transferred to another district and went back on the road as a road patrol sergeant, did that for a while and then in that district I worked. I became what they call a set team sergeant, selective enforcement team, where we did a lot of street narcotics. So I had a four-man detective unit with a drug dog and we did like five search warrants a month and did jump outs and reverse things, things like that. Then went back to the road again in another district and then became a detective sergeant where I was over six detectives working in a district, detectives working in a district. Then from there I ended my career at the airport, at the Fort Lauderdale International Airport, working there. And then, when I retired from the Broward Sheriff's Office, I wanted to work a couple more years till I collected Social Security. So I went and worked as a school resource officer at a city department called Coral Springs.
Speaker 1:Okay Now, when you were doing jump outs, what was your uniform?
Speaker 2:Our, uniform was basically just a Broward Sheriff's Office shirt that said Broward Sheriff's Office in the back and then it said you know, the district I was in was called District 10, so it said District 10, set team Gun belt on usually BDUs like 511s and just a pullover vest, that's it, okay.
Speaker 1:Now I remember my dad telling me when they used to do jump out stuff, they'd be using other officers' personal vehicles. Sometimes they would find a van they could borrow. They would just whatever random shit they could put together. They'd be wearing jeans, their badge would be just around their neck and I mean they were cowboying it up. You know, in texas back in the 80s and early.
Speaker 2:Well, we, we had a van, we had, we had, we had three or four different um vehicles. We could use a couple fans so we could pull right up on a corner where a guy was selling dope, open the side door and snatch him right off the street.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, jerry, I'm curious, how are you looking at law enforcement these days, seeing its evolution? I mean you were pre-dash cam, you were pre-body. I mean you were pre dash cam, you were pre body cam, you're pre all this stuff and but you, you molded into all of it when it finally started all coming out. So I mean you were through rodney king, you were through all that stuff, you know for you. Now that you're able to sit back, enjoy the shit show from a distance, how are you viewing policing today? What are we doing good, what do you think we're doing bad and what could we do better?
Speaker 2:Well, I, you know, I think you know policing has changed just with technology, so you got to kind of change with the times. So, um, I think that the body cameras now are good. I, I think that the body cameras now are good Because if you're doing the right thing you're not going to get in trouble. And I know body cameras have saved deputies and police officers from false accusations. You pull over some girl and she's making all these comments that he tried to rape me and all this stuff, and the whole thing's on body camera where she's completely lying. So I mean that in a way is great, especially, um, these complaints where you're being rude, when the body camera shows that you're not being rude. So on that part it's really good.
Speaker 2:Um, in the old days, you know people would come in and make a complaint and it's really your word against their word. I mean, what's to say? You know who's right, who's wrong. Um, cell phones have changed everything, because now, every time you stop somebody, they put a cell phone in your face, and I find that people are at least citizens are very less tolerant of police. I'm seeing a lot of videos that I like to watch and they are challenging cops on every traffic stop and why are you stopping me? And they're being very rude and these sovereign citizens are driving me nuts when I watch them, because I don't have the patience for some of these guys where they ask them 25 times to get out of the car. Pennsylvania versus men's tells you you can order somebody out of the car. You know Pennsylvania versus men's, you know, tells you you can order somebody out of the car. And these guys are challenging you. I mean, I, I, after two or three times I'd be breaking the window and snatching them out of there.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't, I wouldn't put up with some of this stuff. Right, but I think some of the stuff is hurt, guys, because of all these tools. You got your pepper spray, you've got your tasers and I've talked about this another podcast I, I had a taser. Taser don't work 50% of the time and these cops that are depending on their tools, pepper spray and then you get a guy hyped up on some kind of dope or he just yanks the probes right out of his body. They get into a panic mode because the taser doesn't work. And now what do I do? You got to learn how to go hands-on with people and people have gotten away from that and I know you are involved with jujitsu and martial arts training, which you're not afraid to go hands-on with somebody. I wasn't afraid to go hands-on. I had to go hands-on with somebody. I wasn't afraid to go hands-on. I had to go hands-on with people. You know it was mandatory. If they didn't listen, you go hands-on.
Speaker 2:So, that is bad. You got to do both. There's, I think, one of the podcasts I was talking about I think it was Guys on the Ground podcast where they're training scenarios where I shoot you with a taser. It's not working Go, you know what do you do now? So have a backup plan If your tools on your belt aren't working.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I, I. I carried a taser since I guess 2003 ish. We were one of the first agencies in Texas to get the X 26 or whatever it was. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's what I started with I.
Speaker 3:I've never tasered anybody. I cause I knew. I knew what these would do. I'm sure there were some incidents where it would have worked Okay, um, but I've. I knew what was going to happen if I had to use my hands. I knew how the situation was going. So, especially depending on the confidence of who's to your left and who's to your right, or a lot of times with me I had nobody, it was just me, so you had to use your hands in a lot of instances.
Speaker 2:Another dangerous thing, and I've seen this on videos. I've seen guys pull out less lethal when they should be using lethal. Yeah, okay, and that's dangerous as hell. You go. You know, if you have two cops there, one can go less lethal, the other guy can go lethal. But the first guy there, if this guy has got some kind of edged weapon or maybe you know he's got another gun in his waistband or something like that, and you're going out with your taser, that's wrong. You've got to go lethal until another deputy comes there and goes less lethal. Yeah, um.
Speaker 1:I want to give a quick shout out to Harrison Brock. He gifted 20 memberships. Uh, thank you very much. Uh, harrison, I see some people, uh, that are regular um people that talk. Sparky, he's on there, he got he got one. Gina Sparky, he's on there, he got it. He got one. Gina Marie got one. Um, show me the audits is a newer person, I know, but uh, they've been commenting a lot. Tim got one, congrats, tim. Uh, let's see, I'm looking through. Uh, cajun Magnet Fishing got one congrats, uh. And yeah, that's all I recognize from that. But, um, yeah, I, my big problem with going hands or I should say not going hands-on is a lot of times there's indicators that these officers aren't seeing because they don't have a game plan to go hands-on.
Speaker 1:I tell all of the officers that I've ever trained and I was an academy instructor for a little while I said part of the problem is you're going into a situation where you're reacting in the moment. I said, and that's where you're fucking up. I said for me, every action I have. My first thought I'm constant refreshing in my mind is and I use this term all the time I wish a motherfucker would. I was like that's how you should be thinking, if I go grab this guy's wrist and he pulls away, I've already got it in my hand. I wish this motherfucker pulled that hand away because I'm gonna be ready for it.
Speaker 1:It's just to get you sharp, make you ready. It's not to fuck someone up or use excessive force or anything like that. It's to get you sharp, to get you ready, because too many times cops have an expectation of compliance and when that compliance isn't met, you see the oodle loop go for a fucking spin. And when they don't know what to do, that's when we get the sir sir. We get this dance and this hesitation. We get this over reliance on our taser, which obviously doesn't work if you're too close or you have shit aim or you're too whatever other factors, you want to aim into it failing. You know 60% of the time and I will say this about Taser it isn't the Taser, it's the officer, and no officer wants to own that. They don't want to say it was. It was them, it was my shit aim, it was me not realizing I'm too close because I panicked. That's what it is.
Speaker 2:It's not. The other thing I think you've talked about in the past too, Eric, is the um, this whole big push for deescalation.
Speaker 2:Yes, when sometimes you just need to give a guy a good punch in the gut to deescalate. Yeah, yeah, you know, I see like you. You said I see too much dancing around with these guys in it and stop dancing around. The more you dance around, the more the guy gets ready to put up a game plan to attack you. Yep, so you, you don't you have to control the situation and a lot of these guys to know command presence at all that bad command presence, you know you too no command presence at all, Bad command presence.
Speaker 2:You know you've got to have good command presence. Take control of the situation. These traffic stops I see. I see so many guys are letting the person dictate how the traffic stop is going to go, and that's bad. You dictate how things go.
Speaker 3:A lot of that is, you know, shame on administration. They got to back the frigging guys, man. You know there's, you know these, these POA, poas and and stuff like that were a lot stronger back in the eighties and nineties than they are now. No shame, we have amazing POAs but there's a lot of hand tie, what. What they can, what they can't. Say PC this, pc that. But when it comes to the street and everybody going home, including the person that you're dealing with that day or night, sometimes you have to strike first, to strike fast so nobody else does get hurt. And dancing around stuff is killing me on a lot of these videos I'm seeing because they're scared.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're depending on all the tools on the gun belt, so they're not reading the body language because they know I've got pepper spray, I got taser, I got asp, I got all these other things. They're not reading what the guy's about to do to them. So that's another thing. You got to read the body language.
Speaker 1:And it's you know, and Jerry, I'm sorry, centurion Tactical, said Jerry Worms. My wife cut me off from cops when I started yelling at the TV for bad tactics. We all do it. We're like what are you doing? You're standing too close.
Speaker 3:We mess with people all the time there's a. It looks like there's a a Liz worm saying hi in the comments over here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my wife's probably watching right now. I love it now.
Speaker 2:You know, listen, I'll be the first to admit that. You know, when cops was being filmed, there were, there was you know that whole big scene where I'm chasing the guy down the street and I'm yelling stop or I'll shoot you in the back. I mean, I got bitched out by that, by my Lieutenant. I. You know, if you got a possible we call them a 1099, I don't know 1099 warrant, you got a possible warrant on a guy. You put them in handcuffs and put them in the back seat of your car and don't you know, and then if the warrant doesn't come back active, take them out and uncuff them. Well, I didn't do that and I let his girlfriend go over and take his wallet and everything like that. He decided to take off.
Speaker 2:So that actually showed, um, some bad tactics right there and I needed to catch that guy. And, uh, because I was, I was getting bitched out. So it was like, you know, I better catch. I was telling myself I better get this guy because it wasn't, it wasn't funny, it wasn't good at the time. It's all funny and and we can laugh about it now, but right, the tactics weren't good then, yep, yeah, and it goes to show.
Speaker 1:It's something to say too, like when I tell people, yeah, because it's a complaint from citizens that cops can lie to them, and I said, yes, I was like, but I do think that we need some more rules on how and when cops can lie. Like when you yelled, I'm going to shoot you, you in the back. I know why you did it. Banning knows why you did it. It's a last-ditch effort. Get this fucker to stop, because he might outrun me and I'm not gonna catch him now. I'm gonna fucking pay for it. It's not because you were actually gonna shoot him in the back. Not necessarily. It wasn't a homicide suspect that you knew of. So, like I, I understand that. But then you get cops that will be like you know, oh no, you don't need a lawyer, you don't need that Like. To me, that's morally and ethically wrong. That's not something you should be able to lie to a person that it doesn't have the benefit of knowing their rights as well as you and I may know, and taking advantage of that. I don't like that type of thing and there are more rules to dictate that. But there was a recent shooting. They're chasing after the guy you hear the cop yell out taser, taser, taser, pow. He thought he had his taser in his hand. He had his gun, he fired, he missed the guy. They catch the guy, put him in cuffs and they're getting him back to the car and he's like did you shoot at me with a gun? And he's like no man, I didn't shoot you with a gun. Yeah, I know. Now I understand why he's lying to him right there. Now the hope is that he's lying to him there, but he's reporting the truth.
Speaker 1:Well, I followed up on that and he did. He owned up to everything. There was an investigation for the shots fired and all that stuff. But you don't see that in the video and that threw a lot of people off and I even remember commenting I'm like all right, here's two ways to look at this. He's lying to keep this guy calm so he can get him in the car and keep everything under control. I get that. I was like but if he lies and says he never fired his gun on the investigation side of the house, that's a problem. But he did, I did do the follow-up and he did follow that. Um, so, uh, yeah, your wife's still giving you, she goes, I don't let him watch cops anymore either.
Speaker 2:So a funny to get to say on that subject matter about lying um, the guys, the guys that did you know the cops. So when you actually arrest a guy and you take them into custody and these people you know, instead of digitizing their face out, the producers would much rather have the guy you know full face. And so after the guy you know, the whole scene is over, they would run up to him and say hey, um, you want to sign this release. And the guy's thinking they're lying, he's lying to them. The guy's thinking, oh, they're gonna release me.
Speaker 2:Oh, sign the release no producers to be able to show his face.
Speaker 1:That's why you see everybody. That's right.
Speaker 2:Never so these guys the cameraman has got a whole this thick of all the here this thick yeah releases. He's got like a whole stack of releases every time we do something. Hey, sign this release.
Speaker 4:No that's so fucked up.
Speaker 2:That's smart.
Speaker 1:Some of the cops videos you see people are digitized out Right, but I always wondered I'm like, how are they allowed to show these people? And then you learn later through you know, because the internet didn't exist. So you know, you're trying to figure this out. And then you know through my dad and hearing about when cops was where he was and all that stuff. I'm like how did they show these people's faces? Oh, they signed a release and I'm sitting there going. How do you convince somebody to show how bad they fucked up? Like you know, some of these guys are dressed in drag, coming out of a truck with don't you know? It's pretty funny. What the fuck? How did you get this guy to agree?
Speaker 2:because half of them thought they were getting released and the cops had nothing to do with that nope, I could see them on a raiment telling the judge.
Speaker 3:Look, I signed the release last night. I don't know what the hell I'm still doing here the judge is going.
Speaker 1:What is this release? Everybody's getting holy shit.
Speaker 2:That's fucking funny dude I thought you would like to know that.
Speaker 1:Oh my god yeah, I was curious how the hell they knew that. Have you ever told anybody this before? I don't think so. Oh yeah, we're clipping that one. That's a good one. That's people. That is fucking funny. Holy shit, shit. Okay.
Speaker 3:The live PD producers are watching this going shit.
Speaker 4:You know, right yeah.
Speaker 1:So, speaking of Jerry, have you been on live PD at all? Have they invited you on there to talk?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:They haven't talked to me about anything.
Speaker 1:They need to. They need to have a guy like you on the panel. I think that would be great. Sorry, Levine, Thank you so much for the needed laugh. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Jerry, I know you're probably not 100%. I'm not under the delusion that you got time to sit here and follow all these police podcasts and stuff that are out there. But what we do a little different. Mostly what we try to do is about education. I'm not about sensationalizing, I'm not about trying to be controversial by any means or anything like that, but we call out bad police stuff when we see it. We call out good police stuff and we explain why we want to get into the education side so people can understand.
Speaker 1:All right, here's a cop doing something. What I see is a training issue. Or what I see is this you know, this is an ego issue. Or you know, here's a cop doing something really well, here's why it's good, this is where this cop excelled. So, as we talk and we do this stuff, that's why I keep asking you like, how was policing back then? How do you see it now and what do you? What would you like to see improved for the future. So, like you said, cops being able to read people, I think it goes into the hiring standards. I really think that policing hiring standards had just dropped off the fucking map. They're desperate.
Speaker 2:They're desperate for people so they lower their standards.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a never-ending downward spiral until you figure it out. And lowering the standards has been a big issue. So I think Alan keeps joining in the background and then coming back and then joining because I keep hearing something. But so, guys in the chats, you know if you got questions for Jerry and anything like that, make sure you're putting them in there. I'll be sure to read those out loud. Harrison's already dropped 20 memberships on us. Please remember, if you feel like supporting the show monetarily, you can do that through the super chats, the stickers, the buying a membership, all that stuff. All that money goes directly back into the show. It doesn't go in our pockets. It just helps us do what we got going on. If you don't have the money, I'm not here to beg for your cash and you just want to support us. Do a share, a like, a follow. It's free, it takes five seconds. That's how we keep this thing going. That's how we know what we're doing is right. It's like a. It's a temperature gauge for what we're doing. If you like guys like Jerry being on here, help support the show.
Speaker 1:It looks like Mr Billfold did. Looks like, looks like he uh, did he purchase a baker's dozen? Is that what that is? I, I don't know what that means. Huh, we learned something new every time. Jerry, we're not the most technically uh, savvy guys. We just we try to watch what the kids do on youtube and then we, we just mock and copy what they say. Okay, this is me copying what they say, so do do all the things, guys. All right, with that said, jerry, the future, the future of policing. What is something that you see on the horizon for policing that you're excited about?
Speaker 2:Well, I think AI is going to be a big. I don't know if it's going to be good or bad. I mean, you know, just like technology is always good on one level and it could be bad on another level. So I think AI is going to. It's going to. It's going to change maybe the way some future policing is going to be done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I so I'm actually. I'm glad you brought that up. Have you ever heard of a real-time crime center? Yes, okay, good, so I, that's what I supervise. I'm a real-time crime center supervisor, but I'm also in the National Real-Time Crime Center Association. It's a national association for these things, and part of what I do, and what I feel like my responsibility is, is to make sure that we have checks and balances for these things, because I don't want big brother.
Speaker 1:I'm very much a constitutionalist. I think everybody should carry and carry often and follow the constitution and all that stuff. Florida is very much like that as well. That's why I like being in Texas. But in that, with this AI stuff, some of the stuff that we have to consider and watch out for is and this is my recommendation to everybody out there professionally, if you're considering doing any of the AI stuff, it has to be an internal networked program. What I mean by that is it shouldn't be accessing the internet. It shouldn't be accessing anything outside of your own integral network, because that's when that stuff it's untested. We don't know what it's reaching out and grabbing, we don't know what it's pulling back in, it can't be vetted properly. So keep that stuff internal, so it's only accessing your own information systems, if that makes sense to you?
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Then it can't be corrupted, correct, yes. And then if it decides to go T-1000, like Terminator style, at least you can shut down your own network. Exactly, unplug that bitch if you need to Listen. People say I'm paranoid, but I am scared to death that the AI is going to take over and just do what Terminator said it's going to do.
Speaker 3:Can you imagine what Sarah Connors is thinking right now?
Speaker 1:I know anybody named Sarah Connors.
Speaker 2:You know, I think it started already, because the other donut guy donut shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, justin, justin, Justin, justin's department uses AI, I think, to kind of view all the body camera footage and then if it's, if it sees something that doesn't you know, it pops it out and makes the supervisor look at it, right. So you know, in a way it's kind of started already. So you know, in a way it's kind of started already.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, you're right and, like I said, I use it. We have it. It's there. Shout out to Badge 502, one of our newest people for DTV, anthony Christian. Make sure you guys go to Badge 502 on all of his social medias. Give him a like, a follow, tell him Two Cops, one Donut sent you. But we're looking forward to getting Badge 502 on some of the live stuff and get his own shows going. So you may not be aware of this, jerry, and now that I know that you got some time on your hands being in retirement, we have some shows that we're putting together. Not Two Cops, one Donut stuff, this is separate stuff. We have a network that we started called DTV the donut. So we're doing, we're we're pulling on experts in the field for all first responders in military and we're talking all things related with the criminal justice system. So we have all these specialty shows that we're putting together and I could see you fitting in on on a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 2:So um, the other thing I could talk about too, I didn't mention. In my career I was um for 27 years. I was on a riot control unit called field force, so I was on that too.
Speaker 1:Yes, I did, that was a that was a job outside.
Speaker 2:I mean, it wasn't a full-time job. You got called when it needed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like when you'd have protests or riots or any of that. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I gotta ask just a quick question on that, eric, in reverence right, that's all I was getting at your hats and bats.
Speaker 1:Is that what they called it?
Speaker 2:um, yes and uh, we used, um we actually we had in the front line, they actually had a taser shield.
Speaker 1:Shit Like a Roman shield.
Speaker 2:It was a no a full, a full shield, like a regular shield, but when you touch somebody with it.
Speaker 1:it tased them. Oh Jesus, I would never fly today. I don't think, I don't think it would. I, you never know. It's Florida and Texas. You never know Well.
Speaker 2:I live in Tennessee now, but my career was in Florida when.
Speaker 1:I retired, I moved to Tennessee. You ever heard of Soddy Daisy Tennessee?
Speaker 5:No. What is it near?
Speaker 1:If you blink, you miss it. Okay. Yeah, it's near the border of Georgia. Okay, they butt up to each other, right?
Speaker 2:I'm in.
Speaker 1:Knoxville. I'm in the Knoxville area.
Speaker 3:Sorry, Bannon, you can go ahead with your question. Oh no, I was going to ask on when you were first exposed to riot training as a young officer, where were the roots of that training? Where were they? Were they contacting military? Were they contacting? Do you know where that root training came from, Because it has changed quite a bit, but they've kept a lot of the core trainings from the 80s in that dry training.
Speaker 2:It started in the military type of situation. But I tell you, a lot of the stuff that we started was, if you remember and like I said, I'm kind of dating myself, I think in like 99, I think they had in Seattle they had the World Trade Organization there.
Speaker 2:That city got completely overrun by the Black Bloc and Antifa. The in city was the city was for three days. The cops were fighting these people, right, and they were completely overrun, overwhelmed, a lot of injuries, and that was a situation that was a lot of. It was videotaped and we used a lot of that for the training that we started to use to show what not to do, right, right, because my unit was detached to miami. I was in broward county and then miami it's one county over, but we had mutual aid for all the different counties always have mutual aid with the sheriff's office. So, um, when there was a World Trade Organization in Miami, we got detached to that. And then one of the days it was for a whole week one of the days there was a full blown out riot with those kind of people and we were prepared for them and we kicked their ass.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if you know this or not. Um, I've worked several uh rncs, um, dncs for public order stuff. I've always done it from a bicycle. We did mobile field forces, really what they called it and we got trained by seattle. Seattle is probably the pioneers that learned that you can do protest and riot control from bikes and it's much more effective than doing it on the ground on your feet, because one bike is three people on the line. And what they were doing was they mixed their bike unit with their grenadiers and they were basically throwing smoke and and you know the concussive um flashbangs and stuff like that. They were clearing streets and blocks and seconds versus you know minutes and hours, because they're basically is that they get in a line, grenadiers in the back, throw smoke, move the bike line up in a few seconds. They just took a block right, like that and they just kept repeating that process until they got them where they wanted them out of the main city area. I was like that is fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2:We had that we had the bike unit, we had grenadiers, we had a cut team, we had an arrest unit, like when we would go marching down the street you'd have have you know, like I was in charge of. Eventually I was in charge of the grenadiers and the cut team, but at first I started on the line and then, when I became a sergeant, I had my own squad of 12 guys and then, like, there were maybe three or four different squads and then you could go down a street and flank, like if we wanted to move them one way, we would do different flanking movements and then, we would you know, throw out the gas or pepper spray, or, and then we had bike units and then if we needed to make an arrest, the line would open up and we'd suck the guy back in, and then there was an arrest squad behind them.
Speaker 2:behind them was a hotel wagon where you just shoved the guy in the wagon and this whole thing was moving the whole time. It was just keep moving down the street the whole time, never stopped.
Speaker 1:Right, oh, okay, yeah, freaking these people in the comments. Shotguns and tattoos You're under arrest. Get in the basket. I loved being a bike cop. It was fun.
Speaker 3:I'm assuming both of y'all Because back in 99, I was in the Marine Corps and we were doing riot training and fortunately we had to train for just what the unit I was with that's the time, greenpeace was doing a ton of stuff at base entrances and everything like that and our unit would be the one that would go out and take care of that type of thing. But training in the 90s it's changed a little bit. Like I said, we've kept a lot of the core stuff in law enforcement. But basically you're trying to get Mr Bullhorn first, the guy that is rallying that crowd, and sometimes if you can eliminate that yodel through the bullhorn, you're going to quiet that crowd way down. Try to take some of the leadership out, especially if it's criminal matters that they're doing. If it's just a peaceful, let them do their thing. But as soon as it becomes that, eliminate that leadership temporarily to where you can quiet that right down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'd use the beanbags. You take a guy out with a beanbag. If you hit a guy with a bean bag, usually we aimed, you know, at the waist or lower and, um, take their legs out. Or if you hit them in the groin, oh well, you know that took them out pretty good yeah yeah, that's, uh, yeah, that fuck.
Speaker 1:I saw one where the guy goes to kick the smoke can and somebody had just happened to launch another one right there and it hits him right in the nuts and you just watch him go down. I'm like, well, he ain't kicking the smoke cans anymore, jesus.
Speaker 2:You know there's a big liability, because I think I'm trying to think of when this happened, because I saw a video on it a long time ago. You know when the grenadiers start firing, uh, you know all the stuff down range, um, they call them sponge bobs, which are like the rubber, the rubber bullets, the big rubber bullets in the 40 40 millimeters. Yeah, we had all those different kinds of weapons. Um, I remember a guy you had to be at a certain distance and a guy wound up shooting A girl was too close and hit her in the head with one of those things and it killed her and you know.
Speaker 2:so we, when we trained, we were always very confident of shooting. You know, lower below the waist, yeah, because you didn't want to hit people up high, because you could, you could kill them.
Speaker 1:You didn't want to kill them, did he get?
Speaker 2:charged for that? Did he get charged? I don't remember. I just remember seeing a video of it, because when we were training we said, hey, don't do something like this. I'm sure there was a lawsuit. It had to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, jesus. All right, guys, we've been chit-chatting for 45 minutes. I think it's time to get down to business. Do what everybody likes. Let's watch some fucking videos. All right, we got all these videos. They are not watched by us. They're not sponsored by us. We're not sponsored by them, but viewer discretion.
Speaker 1:We've already given you that warning at the beginning, but I'm going to give it to you again and you're going to see it on the screen here. Don't report us, because we've warned you. Somebody reported us on our last live and it got us taken down off of YouTube temporarily. We had to, we had to repeal it, but it didn't stop us from getting taken down. So if we do get taken down, let us know in the chats, guys. But there was a mole in here that didn't like what we were doing, apparently. So here we go. Let's share the screen. Share, all right. And we I wonder if I can. We're already in full screen, so no need to biggie size that. And what do you think, banny? Do you think this is the best view or do you like this one better? I like this one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this one looks good.
Speaker 1:You don't need to see us, you need to see the screen. So all right, let's go.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah, sorry. Okay, we're ready, ready.
Speaker 1:I didn't mean to do that, it's kind of figure out. It is what we do. So what I can tell you based on my training experience and we don't know any details on this I know that it's probably given some details up here, but I'm not reading that intentionally, cause I don't want to know what's going on. But, um, I looked to me like we've got an officer over here. This officer had his gun out, so we're responding to something that requires a deadly force, um, risk, so to speak, like a high risk type of thing, because we're yelling. This guy came out with his hands full. He sees two uniformed officers, or at least one. I can see one right there, but it sounded like a bunch were yelling um, and he's digging into a bag. It's never a good sign. So my problem is, no, this officer that we're watching. It feel like he's trapped and he's created. He's got himself in a crossfire. So these are my concerns right now. Is crossfire? Absolutely, yeah, what do you got jr?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean uh from his. We're looking at his pov and I can see the other officer. So if he's going to fire his weapon, it's going towards him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and based on the officers that are around this corner, that may prevent them from firing, knowing that their guy is right here. So this is insane right now, just the way it is. So this is insane right now, just the way it is. So somebody said, tase him right now. I'm not. I'm not tasing during a deadly force situation, because all it's going to take is for this guy to turn, and I am, I'm trapped in a funnel. So Alan Nelson just joined the chat.
Speaker 2:It's kind of hard because it's a hallway and there's maybe no place other to go.
Speaker 4:You can't really tell.
Speaker 1:I don't know what's behind him. It makes me wonder if there's more space to move, why would you have not gotten back to that space so you can look around the corner? What do you? Got Banning.
Speaker 3:I'm right there with you on the crossfire. I understand why he's there. The guy runs on foot, we obviously there's a lot of the details that we don't understand on this and it seems like they have enough personnel, but this fatal funnel I mean we've got a fatal funnel both, both freaking directions on uh, if this this goes down, bad that's. That's all I'm worried about right now is where, where, if this guy has a gun, where his bullets going to go up. This looks like a hotel or a commercial office building, I'm not sure what it is, but you're going to have other people there and you know we're responsible for every freaking round that comes out of that.
Speaker 2:That freaking firearm and uh do you know what I might've done in this situation? If I'm the guy pointing the gun right now and I see the other officer all the way down in my sight, I'll go down on one knee maybe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, again, it just depends on what we got behind us and we don't know why we're here. That's the other part that sucks for us trying to make a judgment. We don't know why we're here. I got to make a quick announcement. Alan is in the background. I sit with Alan fans out there. Allen is in the background. I sit with Allen fans out there. Allen's in the background and he is trying to get our Instagram and our TikTok going. It's one of our little side projects. We've been trying to get those going simultaneously with our YouTube, facebook and LinkedIn. He says it's going and he's trying to get the kinks worked out.
Speaker 1:So if you are watching on Instagram or TikTok viewer, discretion advised I just want to give you guys a heads up that we are watching body cam videos that we've never seen before off of police activity on their YouTube channel and we're doing breakdowns. Oftentimes they will be graphic and violent in nature. So, with that said, viewer discretion advised, watch at your own peril. And, yeah, please don't report us, because we're trying to do this for educational purposes. What you'll end up seeing is us watch these videos and kind of give you a law enforcement perspective of how we would handle the calls as they develop and try to talk about like an after action when we see the whole video. And right now we have a situation where this guy just got off the elevator, dropped a bag to start reaching into his backpack. So that's what we're dealing with.
Speaker 1:I'm looking over at the comments real quick. Dustin Sullivan it looks like a new name we haven't seen. He said long on audit brought me here, bro, subscribe Already, love some of the videos. Awesome, I see you far and know that and know what you're talking about from Columbus Ohio. Hell yeah, brother, I appreciate that. Um, yeah, we're. We welcome everybody from long Island Audits page. Thank you very much. Let's keep going. Okay, I don't mind that move at all. He went hands-on, decided to go for like a kidnap mode on this guy, but he went hands-on with a gun in his hand. I don't like that. Jerry, how was it back when you were in Were, you guys allowed to go hands-on with a gun in hand? That is very frowned upon these days.
Speaker 2:Jerry, how was it back when you were in, were you guys allowed to go hands-on with a gun in hand?
Speaker 3:That is very frowned upon these days, that's pretty dangerous because you can have just an accidental discharge, sympathetic trigger pull as well, depending on the gun discipline.
Speaker 1:My wife tells me I have accidental discharges all the time. Guys, you've got to be careful, guys. Jesus, she's in Michigan. I can say what I want. Say what I want, woman. You can't listen, I can't tell if your mom's watching Harrison Brock. Tell Alan, he has two YouTube streams running. Oh shit, alan, you got two YouTube streams running, bud, stop that shit.
Speaker 1:He's probably trying to find the word Matter of fact. Bud, stop that shit. He's probably trying to find a shirt to wear. Matter of fact. Yeah, alan, get that shit fixed. Alright, let's go. Oh, he's fired. Fired again, holy shit. Look, he didn't have anywhere to go. That was a short ass hallway. Oh shit, bro, they were having a gun. I think that's a gun right there. That's blurred out. I think they just had a gun fight from like half a foot away. Holy shit, okay, let's keep going. I think they just had a gunfight from like half a foot away. Holy shit. Okay, let's keep going, because I can't really say shit on that. Do you guys got anything on this right now?
Speaker 2:No, I mean, it's fucking weird. I think he had his gun out and he was wrestling with the guy, so he just I think he pushed away and just started firing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh, my God, that was was crazy. I can't even imagine right now. All right, let's keep going. Now think about it. All those guys that are around the corner, they can't go down there. They're in a fatal funnel themselves. And you hear all this gunfire right here. Holy shit, like what do you do If you're the guys around the corner? What do you do? I'm not popping my head around that, not until somebody gives me the all clear yeah, he's got it.
Speaker 1:There's got to be some communication with the other officer, at least yeah, oh my god, this is I've never seen like this is movie shit. That was a gunfight with three people at least and do me, me a favor, eric.
Speaker 3:Once you do hit, play again, back it up to the point where the camera angle changes like this Okay, I'll go back right now, where are?
Speaker 5:we at.
Speaker 1:I don't know if we went back far enough, Because it looks like right when he goes to take him down, as he's taking him down, that's when he fires. I feel like the cop shot the first round and my guess and this is just based on experience when he went to take him down or whatever it was, he was trying to grab control of him. He saw a firearm and for me, I would argue the way I would articulate this is this guy had clear intention. He sees uniformed officers directly in front of him, he drops a bag, starts to reach into another bag. While retreating around the corner, he was reaching for a firearm to shoot us.
Speaker 3:A reasonable and prudent person would not do that.
Speaker 1:Yes, so that was nuts. Okay, let's keep this One Two. That was nuts. Okay, let's keep this One two. So this guy's on his back and I feel like he's like this, like he's got that gun right there and I'm guessing. I don't know if he has a gun, but I distinctly remember hearing a different type of gunfire. We just heard the first two shots come from that officer.
Speaker 2:Now, do you think those two rounds went right in his back or his shoulder, or where did they go?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's exactly where they went, which shows you it doesn't drop you, guys. It doesn't make you stop just because you got shot. You're still very much in the fight until you're not, so let's keep going. That's the different one. That's the bad guy's gun. I'm going to pop it Right here. That's the bad guy. Look where it's aiming. He's shooting at that cop a foot away. Yep, holy shit.
Speaker 1:And this is the hard part for cops to to do, guys, is to keep facing the threat. Every instinct in your body tells you to turn and in. The reason we have to face them is because that's where all our protection is, right up front. You got to take those rounds in. The reason we have to face them is because that's where all our protection is, right up front. You got to take those rounds in the chest, which goes against your instincts. Versus this, this, this open hole over here which goes right into the chest cavity. Um, that is. That is insane. I don't. I'm lost for words. I've never seen a gunfight like that, other than in movies, classic elevator scenes, where it's actually in the elevator, but this is just outside the elevator. Holy shit. Okay, this is in a hotel. Yeah, right, can you?
Speaker 2:imagine all the people that are in the rooms hearing this. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Jeez oh Pete all the people that are in the rooms here in this. Yeah, yeah, um geez, oh pete's, it's down, I'm hit. Oh fuck, I can't see shit. Yes.
Speaker 1:The smoke alarm's going off. Yeah, did you hear the officer? I can't see shit. There's probably a large cloud of smoke from all the gunfire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how many rounds do you think were fired?
Speaker 1:Oh 20.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I would say close to 20, at least you know. Yeah, yeah, I would say close to 20, at least you know. And this goes to the point of shooting until the threat's neutralized, versus taking a couple shots assessing. Taking a couple shots assessing, like that may have made the difference here. He only fired a round or two and this guy was able to fire back. So Allen does not make mistakes, he explores possibilities. All right, let's keep going. We're going to get another angle, it's clear.
Speaker 4:It's clear Come on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's barking, it's clear.
Speaker 4:I'm hit Shit. I'm hit Shit. I'm fucking hit. Stop Fuck. Where's the gun? I don't know. Get out of here. I'm hit, I'm hit. Where is it? Where is it? Are you hit? Yes, he's hit. Come on, we got another one. Get out of here, just walk, you're fine.
Speaker 1:You win this fight, let's go, let's go. I like it, yep, pumping him up. You win this fight. He's letting him know, don't give up. You're good, you're still talking. You're still conscious what you have to do. Um, all right, let's keep going. Another angle woodbridge, woodbridge, new jersey. Okay, that looks like the lobby. Okay, we got a rifle. We've got pistols out. What the fuck were we called here for? This guy obviously was a real bad dude, right, yeah, like it makes me wonder why did we do this inside and not outside.
Speaker 3:I'm assuming this is a felony warrant and maybe another call, and something else happened. They pinged the name just guessing, spitballing but to have this type of presence where it was planned, and then they didn't want to do it up on the room because of how many people and maybe they cleared out the entire lobby.
Speaker 2:Somebody snitched the guy out saying, hey, he's going to be here.
Speaker 1:Oh for sure, yeah, yep, all right, let's keep going here. Can we get this guy a cheeseburger? These sleeves are not close to being filled, I'm just saying drop the bag.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. So what we guessed from behind is confirmed up front. He is for sure reaching in that fucking bag with a rifle pointed at him. No reasonable and prudent person is going to do that to a fully uniformed officer who's giving you verbal commands. So I would say he's doing wrong things already and he disappears around the corner. This is the shitty part, I this is when the officer goes hands on. So now we're going to see what this officer saw when those shots went off. There's the first shot. So he's stuck like chuck he's. He's open in the middle of these guys trying to shoot at this guy who's in between them. So I'm imagining the rifle has no shot.
Speaker 2:Because even if he shoots, the bad guy.
Speaker 1:It's going to go right through him. Yes, that's what I was going to say. What would rifle rounds do? They don't stop. They will go through your bulletproof vest, through your body.
Speaker 3:There would have been nothing wrong here to friggin' sling that come out with sidearm, but I can only imagine the adrenaline. I'm not quarterbacking him. I can only imagine what's going through his mind right now.
Speaker 1:I can tell you, if it were me in that position, I'm going back around the corner and I'm going to keep quick peeking to see if I got an opportunity, because I have no shot and they're fucking in a gunfight two feet away from each other, right?
Speaker 2:Why is the guy with the rifle pushing forward when the other you know what I mean, the other guy with a handgun should be pushing forward yeah, indoors.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just that mag, that magnetic draw that we get the humanistic going towards it. But maybe you're not tooled up correctly at the time right, baby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, talking about my 18 inch pythons, these pythons old enough to drink. They 21 son, 21 inches, I promise. Uh shit, eric is tiny. Listen to tim. Tim's like six foot four fucking. Not everybody can be six, four fuckers. I'm 5, 11. Thank you very much. I am a very normal sized human being. I'm 100 and probably 95 pounds right now.
Speaker 3:So I I say the same thing all the time. I'm a normal-sized guy.
Speaker 1:Shut up Banning. Banning fights fucking bulls for a living. Send him some donuts to fill out. Trust me, I can't afford to gain any more weight. I'm not supposed to be over 191 pounds for the military. I'm still in the Air Force. I have you know, I'm still in the Air Force. I have to shave my beard once a year. It's a pain. I look like a child. Let's keep going. He said, fuck that, I'm not going to stand there and be a bullet sponge. He was ineffective. There's nothing he could have done.
Speaker 3:It's a freaking mag gum going on around the corner.
Speaker 1:Do we all agree that wasn't him retreating out of cowardice? That's a tactical retreat.
Speaker 2:He was just going to catch a round.
Speaker 3:Yeah, repositioned a tactical advantage. That's all he's done.
Speaker 1:Yes, badge 502. Eric, you need to go to the vet. You got some sick looking puppies right there. Oh shit, all right, let's keep going. Oh, my dear lord, imagine being these guys. And because you can distinctly hear two different types of gunfire. If you're that cued in like, are you recognizing? Oh my god, they're shooting it out right now. That's not a one-sided gun battle, that's people fighting each other like what I? I've never heard of this. I've never heard this. It's like an episode. This is like watching heat, remember?
Speaker 1:yeah that's what it reminds me of oh, and they're yelling put it down.
Speaker 3:Put it like that would make me freak out even more how about and both y'all understand this when you have a rookie with you, a trainee or whatever, and you go into a building and you're clearing it because the alarm went off and you found the open door and that frigging burglar alarm or the fire alarm goes off. When you're being quiet, you're flashing your light going around, then that thing goes off and I don't care if you've been on for 30 years, you get that butt pucker just for a second really. And then you see your rookie just almost have a freaking stroke, because they've never experienced something like that before and I've been in that position, I've been that rookie yeah, that's yeah scary man and you, they just have all this auditory stuff going on and it's just adding to that stress yeah, yeah, oh, tim's calling out badge 502 no lit up name.
Speaker 1:How dares you not be a member? Talk of shit to you. 502, you gotta, you gotta, sign up, baby. All right, let's, uh, let's keep going officer.
Speaker 4:Hey, can we get in there?
Speaker 1:I can't see shit good cut, okay, good communication. We didn't hear that the first time. He said can I get in there? I can't see shit. Good communication. We didn't hear that the first time. He said can I get in there? And then the officers in the hallway yelled out I can't see shit, which is scary because you don't know if it's. I can't see shit because my eyes are covered in blood or the smoke or whatever.
Speaker 4:Yes, can I clear? It's clear, it's clear, it's clear, it's clear, it's clear.
Speaker 1:You can hear the agnal sounds in the background.
Speaker 4:It's clear I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit.
Speaker 1:I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, oh shit. So Brandar brought up a good point. He said he's been a member for five months. Why bring that much firepower and not have a shield? Seems like they didn't practice ORM. They might not have one Yep, it may not. In some departments, only the sergeant has it.
Speaker 3:Which makes no frigging sense, I know. Pull that member out of the friggin station for the shield or they just don't have them at their department.
Speaker 1:They couldn't afford them. Money went to other places. Um, they may not have had time. That could have been the other thing. This could have been oh shit, we got to get here right now because they were looking for this dude. These units arrive and they're like, yeah, he's coming down the elevator right now and they were like they just had to get a position.
Speaker 2:So I mean my department. Wait, no one had shields unless you were on slot, you know, back back in the day yeah, harrison brock, being a sweetheart of a man, tonight gifted us five more uh memberships.
Speaker 1:Look who got one. Look who's an official member. I gotta take a screenshot. I'm gonna take a picture and send that to him. That's hilarious, uh. Yeah, we were just on his show last uh. Last night I think it was, um, or the night before jerry um, with a very controversial video long island audit.
Speaker 2:Oh okay yeah, I I. I think I watched some of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's controversial in the eyes of law enforcement. I'm on his side. I think what he's doing is actually improving law enforcement, because we have too many cops that overstep constitutional rights, which is one of those is freedom of speech, freedom of press and freedom to film in public places. I don't always agree with some of the tactics some of these auditors use, but I do like the way Long Island does it, because he always keeps it respectful, peaceful and he educates.
Speaker 3:I mean, this guy is willing to go to a department and train what he does just to make that department better, and he's not looking to make money out of that. That goes a long way with me. He's truly trying to write what our leadership at a lot of departments aren't doing. Uh, it's 2025. Nobody should be contesting somebody for freaking filming on a sidewalk in a public place anymore.
Speaker 1:All right, come on um, I've just texted him and said you received a membership on our live. That's funny, anyway. Okay, let's get back to this.
Speaker 4:We're almost done with this video.
Speaker 5:Where's the gun Get out?
Speaker 4:of here. Who's hit? Where are you at? Are you good? Yes, he's hit. Come on, we got another one, get out. You win. Yes, he's hit. Come on, you got another one, get out. Just walk, you're fine, you win this fight. Let's go, let's go, let's go. Tim Come, tim, come Tim.
Speaker 1:Man. I can't give enough props to that officer to have the mindset to say that to him. Yep, that's more of a military mindset, like talking people through that stuff and to hear another officer do it. I just appreciate that, doing it for a citizen too. I'm not saying that just to other cops, but you get on these bad calls and you see somebody fighting for their life even though they don't realize it at the time. And you see somebody fighting for their life even though they don't realize it at the time, like just talking to them, being there for them, don't just stand there like a stump staring at them and going, what do we do now? Because Lord knows we've seen that way too many times. Jerry, you came from a time where we probably didn't have a whole lot of medical training, if any at all, to the point where we started getting all of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean at the end of my career. You know they people were carrying tourniquets. You know they gave us tourniquets to carry and stuff like that. We in the beginning nobody had tourniquets or I think the only things we carried in our patrol car was like a blanket you could put over somebody on an accident. That was about it Right.
Speaker 1:So I'm reading through the comments on that one. We've pretty much seen all that we're going to see on that video. They were informed on June 13th 2024. They were at the hotel conducting an investigation, including interviewing civilian, when, approximately 1221 am, the hotel's elevator doors opened. 46-year-old Carl Gregory exited towards the lobby holding multiple bags. Upon seeing officers in the lobby, Gregory dropped his bags, reached into a black backpack.
Speaker 1:Gunfire was exchanged between Gregory and the Woodbridge officers Drew Krupinski and Justin Nerney and NYPD detective Matthew Morrow. So that tells me, yeah, they had an active investigation going on because you had a detective on the scene already. That doesn't happen very often. So officer was struck during the gunfire exchange, rendered medically to Gregory, Gregory succumbed to his wounds and was pronounced deceased On scene. A handgun was recovered. Officer and detective were hospitalized in connection with their injuries and have since been released. It doesn't really go into what they were investigating, but the officers are okay. That's a plus um, if they ever get past the ptsd like that. That was probably one of the most traumatic things I've ever seen. Ever. That was. That was insane. All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 3:Then Brian Thomas's comment up there. Brian Thomas, I saw him today and yesterday I just. We were at the Texas Sheriff's Association conference for the past few days with the company I work with now since I retired out of law enforcement. Brian Thomas is the Potter County Sheriff. I remember when I first met him. To me he looks like he's nine feet tall and he's just got a heart of gold. So, brian, thank you for always queuing in and looking at my LinkedIn and watching. This means the world to me. He's a. He's a true brother for another mother man. I love that he's on here. You're an awesome sheriff, yep.
Speaker 1:Love it. Thanks, brian, for tuning in tonight and actually taking some time to comment too. Very cool, dunpeel7830 said, and that is the reason why I'm glad I found you guys to call you guys Two cops. One donut Is Matt Thornton. We need more people who still wear the badge and call out the bad, and that's kind of the running theme with what we do here is we're not an echo chamber for police. We have to talk about the bad so we can get better.
Speaker 1:It's just like Jerry, did you guys do debriefs after difficult calls? Or, like me and most of the people I worked with, we would do a debrief after every call. We'd go side by side after a domestic. Hey man, how'd we handle that? Oh, we did good. Like you know, I really liked that you stayed right there next to me in the hallway instead of, you know, dipping out and going into a room. I couldn't see you. Or I'm really glad you know we pulled that lady outside because that could have got bad in the house. Or you know, you fucked up, dude. You disappeared, I couldn't see you. Don't do that again. Like we always debrief, is that something you guys practiced?
Speaker 2:Um, only if it was like a critical incident. Uh, you know the district I was working in um you're going call to call. I mean there are times, you, you leave one call, and I mean a typical night, you could go to 16 calls in one night.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, that's a fair point, and I don't mean after every call.
Speaker 2:but if you could I'd say a critical incident we would debrief.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if we had the opportunity we'd debrief just about everything. We could Entertain this just real quick, jerry, from how it was in the 80s, 90s and now. How many times did you have a? I'm thinking you probably promoted pretty quick, but how many times did you have a supervisor come to you after leaving one of these calls saying, hey man, are you all right, do you need some time off? I mean, it was different back then.
Speaker 3:It's still like that now in a lot of parts of the country and that's a big problem. That's the unspoken right. We don't talk about mental health. We go home, come back tomorrow, give it 100% frigging, forget about everything, you're good, and then that shit just starts to stack and stack and stack and stack and stack in your brain housing group and eventually it can do some pretty nasty, nasty shit to your heart and brain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty nasty, nasty shit to your heart and brain. Yeah, I don't think we even started talking about mental health until the late 90s. Right, you know? I mean probably. You know I was into my career probably 12 years before they'd even talk about mental health.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, it's now. You can't get away from it, which is a good thing. Um, I like, I like this comment by two boxes. It's actually a pretty genius idea. He goes you should write a hand, you should write a book, and name it how to get out of a traffic ticket. I think that should work. For sure, I don't have the patience to write, uh, write a book, and I don't think I'd have a very interesting story. So, but all right.
Speaker 2:Tell them to get out of a traffic ticket. Just be nice and be honest and respectful. That goes a long way with me. I mean I I gave a lot of people breaks when they were just completely honest and and just you could see, you know if it's a hardworking guy and you know you don't want to stroke them, a hundred100 ticket, you know. Just give a guy a break, that's just very respectful.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, yep. Jim Miner just said in safety, we in our investigations look for root cause and do a 5-Y with the person involved to understand, learn from the incident. I like that the person involved to understand, learn from the incident.
Speaker 3:I like that, um, but yeah, I'm, I am. Uh, what were we just talking about? Sorry, my brain got confused mental health.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the mental health side of things. It's uh definitely stepped up its game. There's a lot of options for officers out there, and most of that kicked off because of the war, um, from 9-11. Uh, once we had 20-year war, we had a lot of people to start learning from.
Speaker 3:I think desert storm started a little bit, like you saying, in the 90s. They did a little bit and I think a lot of that's coming from from desert shield, desert storm time frame yeah, that's probably the, the catalyst, catalyst.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you're right, um, but part of the problem too is some of these guys are a little um, I don't want to say macho. They don't want to admit that they're hurting and they feel they'll be ridiculed if they come forward with, you know, some mental health issues.
Speaker 3:So some guys don't want to, you know they, they hold it in, yeah, and then those are the guys that off themselves once in a while.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 3:I, I, Not once in a while. Yeah, a lot, a lot, absolute, and it and it's disgusting and it's uh, and I and I get on a campaign about it. It's, you know, when that happens it's hey chief, hey sheriff. Why'd that happen to your guy? Why can't you get out of that funk You're in of only worrying about commissioners, only worried about city council or what the public perception perception is of your department? Get the freak out of that office, join your guys, go out, remind yourself what it is and make sure you take care of your guys and gals out there that are freaking taking this oath. There's so many good ones out there. We got to take care of the ones that we got. Screw the ones that are messing. You know those guys may giving us a bad name. We are a special place for them under a prison somewhere. But the ones that are out there every day doing, doing God's work out there, so to speak, they got to be taken care of. The mental health is huge.
Speaker 1:And the way that we take care of our mental health. On two cops, one donut is we all hug badge 502.
Speaker 1:He gives really good hug um, we actually rub our beards together, all of us that have beards and are capable of growing one. No shame in your game, alan. But yeah, he just can't grow a beard. So, uh, love it.
Speaker 1:Um, what was another comment I was reading up there? Uh, but yeah, when it comes to tickets, here's another thing jerry, I hate tickets. I'm a I'm an anti-ticket guy, like I don't like them. Um, I I do think they have their time and place, but I am a I'm a violent crime guy. That's what I like to go after. I feel like that's worth my time. It helps society much more than pulling someone over for speeding that they're going to not do it for the next three months, maybe six months, maybe a year. The ones that have fast cars it's never going to stop them anyway until they get so many. And that money doesn't ever go to anything good. It doesn't go to stuff that you know it can't go to anything. The police need not anymore. It's not like the 80s and early 90s when they could do that stuff, but now that money goes to the city and well, a lot of these departments too.
Speaker 2:They have campaigns. So you have the ticket or click. You know it's click it, uh campaign. You've got um most. You know where I worked, every district had like a motor motor units that's their job, right, tickets. Yep, you know they get complaints of speeders in certain areas and they got to address it. Um, you know duis was big. So you know the mad, you know the the mad campaign for duis. So there, you know there are guys that like to do traffic. You know I, I wasn't a big traffic guy, but once in a while you had to do, uh do an operation that the, that the captain wanted you to do yeah, um, you know what I was going to type this out, but I'm just going to say it because patrick, true love's, got this coming.
Speaker 1:He said uh, where'd it go? I lost it, patrick. He said eric, you got peach fuzz, compared to some of us. Now I know you guys can't see his photo that great. He looks like duck dynasty, uh, in that picture. But you're lucky that I'm restricted by duty, because my beard would start slightly under my eyes and it wouldn't stop, because I can grow some facial hair. I could probably, if I really tried, just not trim my eyebrows and it would connect to my mustache, which would connect to my beard and grow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Going back. Are you guys allowed to in uniform? Can you have beards?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. This was a new thing about three or four years ago, Maybe we just. It's a new thing that was never allowed before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, my department, until you couldn't have a beard. You can only have a mustache. Um, if you're in uniform, you know, plain clothes guys could have beards, but, but, um, no one, no one could have a beard when you were in uniform. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3:Then we got Alan in the background background, but he's covering himself up, so let me. Alan probably doesn't have a shirt on to begin with, but he oh, there he is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there he is, hello, alan. Alan is also former officer. Uh, now he's a reserve officer, jerry um, but he's working private sector as well. He's our backgrounds guy. He's always in the background. It's like doing crazy stuff for us, so putting up all these things that you see um popping up. But, uh, tim said eric's cousin it now. Uh, yeah, mama g damn it, eric. An image burned in my brain now. Eek, my eyebrows connected to my mustache probably. Hey, where's that coming from? Alan? Alan doing stupid shit. I had to mute his mic. See, this is what happens. Alan gets out of control. Guys, sounds like you bought an electric car or something you know. Let's get to another video before alan does something crazy. Uh, my dog is howling in the background. I don't know what is going on. Can't wait to hear that.
Speaker 3:Uh, let's see where hey, mr billfold said that jerry needs a retro rifle shirt with nunchucks on yeah, I bet there's.
Speaker 1:there's got to be one out there. We could find one for them. We're going to get them to make one. I'm going to criticize this guy. We're not muted, All right. You guys know the drill. It's from Police Activity. Shout out to them. All of our videos are from them. They've only got 6.7 million followers, so they don't have enough. Make sure you guys follow them, like and do all the things. All and do all the things 911 emergency.
Speaker 4:This is Rachel on a recorded line. What is the location of your emergency?
Speaker 1:Alright. First and foremost, that's way too much shit. 911, what's your emergency? Let them fucking talk. They don't need to know what's recorded and all that. Let's get to the point. They're calling because they're having an emergency. Shit, jerry. Sometimes I go off. It pisses me off. I'm like what, jerry? Sometimes I go off like it pisses me off. I'm like what you? You really want to get me going, jerry, when these motherfuckers are in a gunfight and somebody's jumping on the radio, shots fired, shots, fired, shoot. It's time to shoot, not get on the radio, christ, all right, I digress.
Speaker 4:So somebody's holding a gun on them.
Speaker 3:It was very hard to understand him and then waving it around and I thought he said like five of them. I'm trying to pick it all up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was hard to understand. Let's keep going.
Speaker 4:Stop, stop, stop.
Speaker 1:Already, I'm pissed off. Yep, jerry, I'll let you go first. Bud, you got call details of a guy waving a gun around. Okay, are you pulling your taser out?
Speaker 2:No, we talked about that. The taser is out first correct.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's why I asked you, because you already brought this up. Yeah, I didn't know this was going to happen, so you kind of Nostradam this shit. Oh, I did Okay.
Speaker 2:So that's bad tactics right there.
Speaker 1:If the guy's got a gun and you've got your taser, uh, gun beats taser every time, and just so people know, you can still fire your gun while being tased. It's been proven, so all right, let's keep going get down the ground.
Speaker 4:Stop, put your hands up. Get down the ground.
Speaker 1:Get down the I'm glad I paused it right there. Hands are free. I don't see anything in his hands, um, but the guy wasn't listening. He does match the description and, uh, now he's running from you and he tased as soon as the guy went to start running. Um, it doesn't look like it's going to be effective, but I let's see get down the ground, get down the.
Speaker 4:Get down on the ground, get down on the ground, do it now. Stop, stop, stop, stop.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's pause here. You tased him, it dropped him. It looks like he's trying to get in this apartment. What are you doing here, jerry?
Speaker 2:I'm probably going to go hands-on if I don't see a weapon yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, buddy, Me too. That's what I was thinking. I'm going to tackle your ass right into that door. Um, we got the distance, we got the time and opportunity and it, like you said, it doesn't look like there's anything in his hands. Um, it does look like our officers transitioning and I think he's already fired his wad that. That, and I think he's already fired his wad that is a Taser 7. It only has two shots and if it didn't work, you can either abandon that thing or you can change out the cartridge if you have another one with you, but it may or may not work. So, Banning. You got anything to add, sir?
Speaker 3:No, you got it covered right now, man. Okay, all right, let's keep going.
Speaker 1:Stop, stop, get down. I'm no, you got it covered right now man.
Speaker 4:Okay, all right, let's keep going. Stop, stop, get down. I'm gonna shoot you. I'm gonna shoot you. Get out of the fucking ground. Oh the guy's gonna fucking shoot you raw on your stomach okay, we're a little amped up a little bit, but uh, I'm okay with this.
Speaker 1:Let's put our taser away or throw it on the ground. Um one or two things. Uh, I do respect that. He's got a red dot, so and and a light system, so that tells me he's got some up to date training, hopefully extended mag yeah.
Speaker 1:Extra rounds. So respect again. I see empty hands for me. I'm not a yeller, I don't do that. I, I didn't even do this when I was a rookie. It's just not in me. I, hey, man, like that's how I talked to you hey, hey, hey, hey, all right, lay on the ground, roll on your stomach, put your hands behind your back or put them out like airplane whatever it is, um and and in this position, I would actually tell him hey, I, and turn towards me. I want your head towards me and your feet towards that door. Make it happen. I'll let him figure out how he's going to make that happen, but I'm going to tell him, make it happen and then cause, I want his hands as close to me as I can get them. Anybody got anything to add on this? Well, it looks like he's complying a little.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm seeing that too. They did mention five guys 's what I? I think I heard that at the beginning um, so, um, curious, um, and I I also wonder if is this his apartment or is it not? Because if it's not, you know you, you may have a potential, you may just help save somebody because he could have been going in there to get somebody else. So let's, let's see what's going here roll on your stomach.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna fucking shoot you.
Speaker 1:Roll on your stomach keep your hands out, I'm gonna fucking shoot you okay, put your hands behind your back oh, there's another officer yeah, only one voice. I would have looked back at her and say, shut up, I got it.
Speaker 4:I don't need two people giving out commands.
Speaker 1:It gets confusing enough. So, all right, we've tased. It was somewhat effective. The first one definitely wasn't effective and he tried to run, but the second one got him and I think that opened up his eyes because he was going to try to get in that apartment and he stopped. So, hands, hands, hands. We can see the hands. Now I'm going to. This officer is in the best tactical position in my opinion. He can see the hands. He's got an angle. So I'm going to have this other person come up and put the cuffs on the female officer that we heard in the background. Lord help me if it's not a female officer. There we go Both hands on the gun. We put our taser up, did you? Is that a police canine, I heard.
Speaker 1:It sounds like a canine, I'm not sure, though yeah, okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 4:I got lethal If you move. I'm not sure, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, let's keep going. I got lethal If you move. I'm gonna fucking shoot you. I picked your gun up. Now You're good bud.
Speaker 5:You're good bud.
Speaker 1:He got zero in his pants. Look at his underwear. It's got women on it. It's a chick in a thong. That's what he's got. He's got chicks in lingerie on his underwear. All right, respect, I ain't mad at you. He's young. Is that called pants on the ground there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, pants on the ground, he says he's got a zero, which I'm going to assume that means a firearm or some weapon. Yeah, signal zero is uh 10 code for zero.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, that's not what it is where I'm at, but, um, okay, that's a double stack, extended mag. I don't see a switch, though, so it's not full.
Speaker 4:Stop, stop, stop. I'm going to shoot you. I'm going to shoot you.
Speaker 1:Get out of the fucking ground okay, so he's by himself at the moment. Where'd this other officer come in?
Speaker 4:get down the ground. I'm gonna fucking shoot you raw on your stomach. Raw on your stomach, I'm gonna fucking shoot you again.
Speaker 1:Remember when we said that you can lie to try to get your point across. I think that's what he's doing right now. He knows he can't, unless the guy digs for something.
Speaker 4:Roll on your stomach. Roll on my stomach, sir. Keep your hands out or I'm going to fucking shoot you.
Speaker 1:He filled out his sleeves. I give him that. But he's got rookie vibes to me. There's a lot of rookie vibes coming off this fresh face right here.
Speaker 2:That's vibes to me there's a lot of rookie vibes coming off. This fresh face right here. That's baby, baby gap sleeves. He went and had those things tailored so, oh shit, it doesn't seem like the officers were that far behind, though, because they they got there pretty quick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they just ran up. It looked like put your hands behind your back. Oh, they don't, don't show it, okay, all right, I'll stop sharing that one. So for me, on that, I mean, he matched the description. You're fully uniformed. I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to shoot the taser, given the circumstances and the guy's running and trying to escape into an apartment building you don't know if that's his, it's somebody else's Taser was a good option. And then he switched over.
Speaker 2:He transitioned well, that was a good transition yeah, he transitioned.
Speaker 1:And then we ended up got the gun, matched the description and corroborated what your independent witness that had no stake in the game there.
Speaker 2:He would have been in a hell of a shootout if that guy pulled that gun out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't think that guy would have ever got to that gun. Mr Biffle, dual wielding is for video games, not in doc holiday. Yeah, he did have his taser and his gun out there for a second, uh, but I know what he was doing. He was transitioning over, he's trying to holster it. That's all he was trying to do. Um, good to know me and the kid shop at the same place for your clothes. Oh shit, tim's got a question for Jerry. Besides the usual gore of the 187s on cops, was there anything that was so messed up and you guys knew it and it was not aired?
Speaker 2:They aired there were no restrictions when I was riding, they aired there were no restrictions when I was riding. They aired, you know, they aired stuff that sometimes I wish wasn't aired.
Speaker 2:But they showed cops messing up and they, I think eventually, you know, after cops has been on, for you know, 35, 40 years Eventually, you know, after COPS has been on, for you know, 35, 40 years, there's been some hellacious things that they've shown and they, I think you know, whatever department they would go with, they pretty much would talk to the chief or the sheriff and say you know, if there's something that outrageous you don't want us to show, they probably would have not. But when it came to my department, I don't think they held back on anything.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:I mean, you're pretty much the pilot episode, the pilot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was on the pilot episode and then I was on about four or five other episodes, but the original pilot show was an hour and then the subsequent first 13 episodes of Cops was shot with Broward County Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 3:I was sitting in the living room when that released. I was born in 79, just to give you my age, the viewers. I wanted to be a cop since I was five and then Cops came out and there, these, all these commercials and you were in some of the cause. All they had was a couple. You know they were working on this. It was going to be alive. I believe it was every Friday and, man, let me tell you, the first time I saw that, I mean favorite show, you guys were the biggest conglomerate, I mean the biggest viewing, because of that, I mean. So it was. There was a reason you were on that first and that truly grew the Cops branding. Man, I mean it was amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's watch it was you know you have to think about it's the first reality-based TV show, really.
Speaker 1:Let's just partake just in the opening, because I don't know how much we're allowed to show. Shout out to Cops and all the developers this is your footage. Look at them light.
Speaker 4:Who's?
Speaker 1:that sexy man.
Speaker 4:Get on the ground, police. Get me what you gonna do. What you gonna do. Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? Nobody now give you no break, police now give you no break. That old soldier man now give you no break. That thief in your eye now give you no break.
Speaker 1:Is that you running? That's me. What are you running after? Right there, some doper. Oh yeah, that's me there again. Right there, you were starting to bald. Right there, I saw it in the back, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, I started losing my hair in my 20s. Oh did you? That's me who are you kissing?
Speaker 1:That was my first wife. Oh shit, yeah, we won't show that again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, liz is my current wife. Yeah, yeah, we're. We won't show that again. Liz is my current wife. Yeah, yeah, we can't show that my bad, that's me. God, I can't believe it's long ago, hey hey, hey, I know sometimes cops is about real people and real crime that was the sheriff filmed entirely on location, with the men and women who work in law enforcement.
Speaker 1:This program was filmed during a one-week period. Alright, that's good. I don't know how much you're going to show anyway.
Speaker 2:Well, that first part is like 10 minutes and then the second part of that is all me oh, okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got. Uh, here we go, I can actually. I skipped ahead just a little bit just so we can show a part that you're on there. What's biggie? Oh, that is as big as it gets, uh you don't belong here, okay?
Speaker 5:it has nothing to do with white or black. It has to do with crimes against persons. People that come over here to buy drugs get involved in serious crimes. Come over to the car here, look at that outfit okay, just sit in the back of the car until we confirm, because it might be a warrant for your arrest that man wanted to get too far.
Speaker 1:That's some tight pants.
Speaker 5:Just sit in the back, relax.
Speaker 4:Look at that car.
Speaker 5:Well, we have to get a confirmation number. What is it?
Speaker 1:No cage. No, there's a cage, there Is there.
Speaker 2:Okay, I can tell, but nothing on the windows.
Speaker 5:Violation of probation. Yeah, I said, didn't. I say if you come back clean, you're on your way. Well, if there's a warrant for your arrest, we can't let you go, get back out and put your hands on the car and make sure you're not holding anything.
Speaker 4:There's your wallet, Harry. What are you doing?
Speaker 1:Harry, what are you doing? Or his woman's yelling at him. Speaking of woman yelling Centurion Tactical said Liz is going to make Jerry pay for kissing another woman tonight. And Liz says you aren't wrong. Centurion Tactical oh shit, all right, let's see where this goes 210 1031.
Speaker 4:All cool collected 210,.
Speaker 5:I'm going Southbound on 29 Terrace. We have a 99 on a white male. He's got blue long pants on a white shirt.
Speaker 1:Running down the middle of the road like an idiot who runs down the middle of the road. An idiot who runs down the middle of the road the guy that's in the neighbor, a drug neighborhood that doesn't know where he is yeah, let me guess he's the only white boy in that neighborhood that's correct yep, yep, you tell them it doesn't matter, white, black, whatever it's, but you got to know your areas.
Speaker 1:and when you see a white boy rolling in a predominantly black drug neighborhood and he's probably driving around in a car that doesn't even match the area, fucking, back him up, baby.
Speaker 3:Before you hit play on this, Jerry, correct me if I'm wrong. Did they not use this foot pursuit for several years in the openings of cops?
Speaker 2:Yep, that's right. The stop or I'll shoot you in the back is my infamous line that I'll never live it down. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're about here as a matter of fact.
Speaker 1:Brandar 86 said I find it funny that back then, peeps could sit in the back of the car with no cuffs and possibly have a warrant. Nowadays, cops use cuffs just for disagreements, and this is why we learned from our our predecessors mistakes. He didn't put him in cuffs and now your boy's fucking usain bolton down the road.
Speaker 1:So, uh, lessons learned all right okay, now what I want to know, jerry, your boy turned around, your boy. He was in front of you and he gave it a fuck it and he turned around and I think he's probably going back to get the car where you were, like nah, I got this. Like that's some confidence.
Speaker 2:No well, the guy that was running. He ran right by my lieutenant and my lieutenant said I'm not chasing this guy, jerry, you better go get him.
Speaker 1:That's smart. That's smart play. I like it. Your lieutenant knows better, jerry. You're running with a brick in his hand, an old radio. I'm going to shoot you in the back.
Speaker 4:I'm going to shoot you in the back. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh. Jerry got the gun.
Speaker 1:Yes, now did you hit him, or did you just have him out? Oh no, he got a whooping. He got a whooping. Oh, they didn't even show that part.
Speaker 2:No, because the cameraman was around the corner when I when I was whooping him. Oh, okay, the cameraman didn't catch up to me until until, you know, until I had him down, I got I remember when I first watched this, I thought you took those nunchucks off of him.
Speaker 3:I thought they had. He had him pantsed something. I was 10 years old when this came out, this episode, and I thought you had taken those off of him and, just like Eric said, with Teenage Mutant Ninja, turtles and all that stuff, man, yeah, I thought you were arrested in Ninja.
Speaker 2:I actually caught and this is cul-de-sac. I actually caught up to him and, as he was running, I hit him in the back with the nunchucks and that knocked him down.
Speaker 1:Okay, so they work. They do work. Brandr86 said Eric crappy reasoning. Could have maintained positive control as he pulled him out of the back. Yeah, could have, should have, would have a lot of things.
Speaker 1:But somebody whose arms are free and mobile cuffs are not going to hurt, that when they've got a potential warrant, so we can agree to disagree. I don't think that's crappy reasoning. We potential warrant, so we can agree to disagree. I don't think that's crappy reasoning. We just we disagree in these things. It's not worth the risk to me. Why is it not worth the risk? Because this guy just ran.
Speaker 1:Now, if this guy ran and then gets hurt, hurts somebody else, then where's the crappy reasoning? And why do we use that argument? It's not because it's crappy reasoning. It's because history has proven that that is what happens when these people flee from police. It's not a reasonable mindset for somebody to flee from cops like this. So it goes on the bad guy. It doesn't go on the person that's putting you in cuffs temporarily to prevent something like this from happening. Because, like it or not, once you're seized it doesn't matter if you're in cuffs or not. If you get hurt now, it's on the cops. If other things happen, it's on the cops. They're making fun of you for saying whooping the whooping. Lol, love it.
Speaker 3:Sometimes you have to fill in where parents didn't.
Speaker 1:Let's get to a video here. We've already watched that one. We've watched that one. Okay, new video. Let's share this tab instead. Let's biggie size this video here. All right, we are not muted, it's only two minutes. Under the influence of Gray Sweater, Jean's sister could be a lead PR. Did not acknowledge what apartment PR disconnected line on position to call back receive voice calls oh.
Speaker 1:Okay, I didn't see that coming. I was just about to say all right, calling out traffic conditions, we're obviously trying to get to a scene somewhere. We're going code. It didn't look to me like he was speeding ridiculous, I mean, you look like he was doing.
Speaker 3:It's gonna depend on his general orders, the departmental regs 20 over.
Speaker 1:I think that's generally what they say. If you're running code, you can go 20 over, but you have to drive to the conditions that you're in Yep. So let's see what more happens. You're good, yeah.
Speaker 2:I do. He didn't make it to that call.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he didn't make it to the scene, that's for sure. This is not going to be a good view.
Speaker 4:Oh fuck, fuck you. Good, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 5:Fuck you. Good yeah, dude.
Speaker 3:Fuck you good.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 3:Look at that ax on camera hanging on for dear life up in that window.
Speaker 4:I know, oh jeez.
Speaker 2:Airbag saves him, that's right.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh yeah, not bad as the other person. No, you're good. Hey, sit down, sit down, sit down, we're good.
Speaker 5:I'm going to check on him, you're good. You're good.
Speaker 1:Okay, good officer, he's going to check on the car he just hit. He's good that's a bad wreck. He t-boned him. I didn't realize he hit him at that angle that's not gonna be pretty no, oh man, that sucks. Keep going. Yeah, it's not going to be pretty. No, oh man, that sucks.
Speaker 5:Keep going, Adam let me get an RA? Do you have a side, of course, a male talks to me. He's five years of age, unconscious, not breathing.
Speaker 1:Unconscious and not breathing. Let's see what the details say. Loseles police responded lights and sirens, a radio call domestic violence, traveling eastbound. The driver was later identified as 91 year old jose hernandez. Never heard the siren um. After the office exited their police vehicle, they reoriented themselves. They attempted to render aid immediately, requested an ambulance for his partner himself and Hernandez. He was pronounced deceased at the scene. Oh man.
Speaker 3:And I got to ask this to Jerry man and I know I keep asking you questions, but it enthralls me Were they teaching you all in the late 80s, early 90s that you could actually outrun that sign?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you could, and plus the person's 90-something years old. They never even heard it.
Speaker 1:No, no, well, and I'm going to go back. It's kind of a blind intersection, so I'm going to go back. See, this is him approaching. Unless you're really familiar with the area, I can't even tell that there's a road coming up. It just looks like the road's continuing straight. So I'm going to play it from here, your disconnected line, like right now we're Again. I don't see a street sign, I don't see anything that indicates that there's a car.
Speaker 3:He's in the proper lane to be running running code. There's four lanes and possibly a suicide or, I'm sorry, turn lane. But yeah, he's in the best lane that he can be in. He's not excessive, from what it appears.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just think it's a shitstorm. Yeah, I don't think this car did anything wrong either. I don't think this guy did anything wrong. I think maybe turned really slow, I don't know.
Speaker 3:He's probably turning out of there for 60 years, yeah, and saw the police car coming, but he's like he's way down there. He doesn't realize police car may be going close to 20, over the 45 or whatever the the speed limit is coming up yeah, yeah, this is uh, like I said, right here, man.
Speaker 1:There's only time I finally realized it was a roadway. Um and this is what really throws me off is these cars being parked right here? It just makes me feel like this is a like it. Like I said, I don't. I don't see a street sign. We're right on top of the street. I still don't see a street sign. We're right on top of the street. I still don't see a street sign. Yep.
Speaker 3:There it is, there's the street sign.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right there, so we don't need to see the crash again. But damn, that sucks. That's unfortunate. Now these officers have to live with that, that family has to live with that. That's crazy, crazy, crazy. All right, let's move on to the next one, shall we?
Speaker 3:this one is only three minutes long yep, and then you know our viewers that are watching this. Keep in mind we haven't seen these videos. We don't know how graphics gonna be. Obviously don't have kids in the room.
Speaker 1:This is adult viewing only and if you're susceptible to stuff like this, don't watch it yeah, I normally make these 18 and up after we've already done them, because I didn't know how to do it prior. But I finally figured out how to do it prior. So now, now, this one was 18 and up to watch it. So, um, I'm always learning y'all. I'm always learning y'all. I'm always learning, so let's go. Okay.
Speaker 1:So for those that wonder, that motorcycle just moved around, the lane filter, as it were Lane splitting and lane filtering. So lane splitting is when traffic is moving, lane filtering is when it's stopped and they use that stopped traffic to get to the front. I'm actually okay with lane filtering. I think that that actually makes sense because, jerry, I don't know how many motorcycle accidents you've seen. I've seen a ton where they're just sitting there waiting in traffic and they get rear-ended more often than not. So for motorcycle guys, listen, if I'm on duty and I see you do it, I'm not going to do shit. I'll be like I get it. I understand why I just don't like lane splitting. I don't like that, especially on the freeway.
Speaker 2:Well, california. There's a lot of lane splitting going on in California.
Speaker 1:It's legal there. I think that's the only state. Both are legal lane splitting and filtering. There are some states that have adopted lane filtering, but I don't know that any other ones have done lane splitting is that still a us state that we're talking about, or?
Speaker 4:is it?
Speaker 1:let me talk about his home state like that now it'sa beautiful state, freaking gorgeous state yeah, um.
Speaker 1:So all right, let me, uh, let's keep going here. So, oh, like, I was gonna say um. A lot of times when you hear these, you're like, why is the video muted? Because what they're doing? The camera's actually going back 30 seconds to a minute before they ever even hit record. So it's just a feature that the camera does. Um, it's actually pretty cool. I'm not chasing. Nope, I'm not chasing. That is that two on there? There's two on there. Yeah, I'm not, that's just me. I'm not chasing a motorcycle with two people on it. I'm probably never going to chase a motorcycle anyway, just because my department wouldn't let me. Um, but in this it's not worth the risk because you got an innocent person that doesn't have any control over that. So I'm going to lay off.
Speaker 2:But, jerry, you're old school baby, tell me, I've chased a few motorcycles, but it's, you know a lot of those. You know those crotch rocket bikes that go 160, 170 miles an hour In a second. Yeah, those crotch rocket bikes that go 160, 70 miles an hour in a second. Yeah, I they. Um, let's see, probably maybe a couple years before I retired, I'm driving on one of the highways and and they, they did it on purpose. There were like four or five of them and they actually buzzed me. They went, I was going 70. They buzzed right by me on both sides, almost took my mirrors off just to screw with me, right, and I just waved, said goodbye. There's no way I'm catching those guys.
Speaker 3:He grabbed those nunchucks through the front tire and watched.
Speaker 1:He was spinning them around.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The legend.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not going to chase them. That's just me Y'all. It's not worth it. It? Yeah, I'm not going to chase them. That's just me y'all. It's not worth it. It's not worth it for the citizens. It's not worth it for this person that's on the back, that has no control All over what Traffic violation.
Speaker 1:That's it, that's all we saw Now this guy could be wanted for other things that we're not aware of, and that may be what this officer knows. So no knock on this officer. There's a lot of information we don't have, but if it is just for a traffic violation, no, I'm not going to go after it's not. I don't want to see anybody killed because.
Speaker 2:Actually actually towards the end of my career, the policy was you could only chase for a violent felony. Yes, and that I understand. That makes sense. I get that violent felony.
Speaker 1:Yes, and that I understand. That makes sense. I get that 1680 is picking up speeds. We're going to 95. Marine blood didn't get another membership. You got to take a drink, um, but did you guys hear him just uh ask for a helicopter? So we just g.
Speaker 1:If we're going by grand theft auto standards, we just moved up to at least a three-star pursuit. Let's keep going here. We're not going fast. It's 76. It's 76. It's not terrible. Not with this road Okay 76. It's not terrible. Not with this pro Okay 75. I probably just went with the V8. Again, I'm still. I don't like it. I don't, I wouldn't pursue it. I'm just. I put my personal opinion out there. I wouldn't pursue this motorcycle. It's not worth it.
Speaker 3:And this is one of those officers that has his radar on audible, and that sound drives me insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I heard him call out on the radio 76, so, but marine blood, appreciate the effort, harrison. Oh man, thank you. Yes, harrison, thank you again, buddy, he's been. You guys you're putting all the burden on harrison. Some of you guys need to take the burden off harrison. I'm just saying let's keep going, take the burden off Harrison. I'm just saying let's keep going. I think in Georgia they'll do a pitting move. I think you're right. I think Georgia, they don't give a shit. Georgia and Arkansas, they're the two states that don't give a shit.
Speaker 2:They pit everybody.
Speaker 1:Anything you run, you're getting pitted. It could be a granny with a walker. They're going to pit her. Brandar86,. Thank you, brother. Appreciate that. We got five memberships out of Brandar. Everybody that got one Mightiest Disciple got one. I know he talks on here, and so does DK occasionally. Everybody that got one Mightiest Disciple got one. I know he talks on here, and so does DK occasionally. So very cool. Thank you, buddy. Were you going to say something? No, okay, okay, straight through Grambling Time 21.
Speaker 4:30. Grambling 23. Grambling 20.
Speaker 1:Blowing the red Over 23. Two reds over 23. It and I'll give this officer credit. He's not wound up Very calm on the radio. I get annoyed really quickly. He's like we're going northbound. Relax Act, like you've been there before. Relax Act, like you've been there before. Oh, he got airborne. Let's go back. Let's go back. That's the dukes of hazard right there, all four tires.
Speaker 2:oh shit, oh my, that's a full-size suv.
Speaker 1:Yeah weighted down too. That's more than just a regular suv. So, jeez oh pete, he just got his back tires, he didn't get his front wait a minute.
Speaker 2:There's like five cops chasing this guy.
Speaker 3:They're waiting on air support and they're just paralleling.
Speaker 1:I can't even say I can tell you where I've been. They usually limit it to two or three with one supervisor. That's about the most I've seen.
Speaker 5:Kathy, just to be advised. You are approaching a dead end on Morris there.
Speaker 1:It's on a dirt road, I believe, but he's slowed way down we're kind of on a two track right now, getting really nervous.
Speaker 5:Oh no, oh no, oh, my god, they crashed. They crashed into a march.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie. If they would have just been patient and took that road a little slower, they would have gotten away, because they weren't going to be able to keep pursuing. Okay, at least they were able to put their hands up. Oh, um, all marine bloods. It's sad. Who's? Oh, it's my mom, the that disease. It's horrible for both them and their loved ones. Eric will put me in a home and not come visit. That's why he wants me to move down there.
Speaker 1:She ain't wrong, she ain't wrong. I will put her in a home, like I'm not like. Quit being stubborn woman. Either move down here where you can be spoiled by your grandchildren and you know your favorite son, or you can stay up there with your second favorite son out of the two that you have and live in a home. So it is what it is, woman, I've told you love you uh, all right, let's go to the next video here.
Speaker 1:Uh, I believe this is the the last. No, maybe the second to last one. We've been going for two hours, yeah, so this will be the last guy here. Let me share the screen Biggie size. Oh, we got a question, jerry. What is the one main change you have seen over the years regarding police policing?
Speaker 2:Hope that makes sense. I think cell phones have changed policing the most. From my perspective, from when I started to now, I think self cell phones have changed everything when it came to policing. How so? Because every time you talk to anybody, cell phone right in your face. Right in your face every time.
Speaker 1:Not to mention how well they can help you in the job, but you know, did you ever watch that? Uh video um the downfall of minneapolis.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, I did. I was like a cell phone video from the curb was used in the trial. They didn't use the body camera footage which shows he was more on his shoulder than neck, but from the cell phone video from the curb it looks like he was planted on his neck. But then I saw a video when I watched that uh, you know, uh, documentary it he was doing. I'm not agreeing with anything that took place there, you know. I'm just telling me, I'm just telling you that it depends what angle you're at. Yeah, when it comes to what, if they would have shown that video of body camera footage, he wasn't really on his neck, he was more on his shoulder.
Speaker 1:Well, the other part about that, and again I still think what he did was wrong. I mean Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I agree when I I don't agree with anything he did because me what I would have done. I would have taken him, put him in a car and got right out of that area? Yeah, as soon as as soon as a crowd forms, get them out of the area.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think what it was. Was he? The crowd tried to tell him what to do and the ego the manual, and pulled that version and they didn't. That was never shown in court. Well, it turned out that, um, that officer I can't remember his fucking name, but uh, that officer had that training manual still that showed them where they taught that exact technique.
Speaker 2:Yeah, his mother. His mother had a copy of it. Yeah, his mother had a copy of it. Yeah, that's true, sullivan's mother had a copy of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, it was his mom.
Speaker 2:And then the chief of police lied that they never used that technique.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And they didn't use the body camera footage, they used the cell phone footage. Right, yeah, yep.
Speaker 1:So that's where I say things change, you know Politics definitely got involved with that. One. Say things change, you know politics definitely got involved with that one. So but uh, all right, let's, uh, let us go to. I gotta figure out what I'm doing over here. Yep, there we go, share, okay, and let's move us underneath we're biggie sized and go all right, what's up all?
Speaker 5:right, I'm just curious. Sorry, no, you're good already suspect, already suspect.
Speaker 1:Uh, I'm a property crimes guy. This has property crime issues written all over I've. I've got a Kia with a busted out back window. Suspect vehicle number one I got a crazy dude coming out of a construction site on foot towards the roadway, which makes zero sense. So my red flags are going off all over the place. Anybody else?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:So you gotta make contact and find out what he's doing yeah, I'm curious, you know, and maybe we're making contact because this car is abandoned here. I don't know who knows why we're coming out to make contact. Somebody probably called in um that this guy was on their site or something like that.
Speaker 3:But you gotta be walking down a million things from the copper theft in the area to yeah all okay, all worth making contact.
Speaker 1:We have enough reasonable, articulable suspicion, based on all the things that we just said, to detain. See what's going on. Hey, what's going on here, man, is that your car over there? You know, you got, you got business on this property. We got a call. All right, let's go da. Alright, let's go. Sparky said he was peeing. If he told me he was peeing, hey, that makes sense. At least now I know. Hey, okay, that's cool, it makes sense.
Speaker 4:Lean 1413. You ever run an Indiana commemorative for me?
Speaker 1:So I would be doing the same exact thing Coming over to the car running the plate, seeing what's going on, I'm thing coming over to the car running the plate seeing what's going on, I'm I'm curious if these two people know each other. You look like you got id on you no, no, yeah, maybe the car.
Speaker 4:Yeah, do you mind getting?
Speaker 1:okay, so now he just attached himself to the car yeah so now you definitely have a legal reason to make contact with these guys. Yep Cars illegally parked. It shouldn't be driven in that fashion. You can't even see out the back window through that stuff. But yeah, I'm getting the whole meth vibes off of this.
Speaker 4:So all right, Getting it. Yeah, thank you, tom Charles scene 451iana commemorative.
Speaker 1:Really, oh, he took off running. He said really, oh, this is michigan. That looks like oakland county. Um, I'm looking at the the uh emblem there. I I be wrong, but it does kind of look like Oakland County Sheriff's Department. A lot of them use that symbol out there in Michigan though. Okay, so he took off running. Do we have enough to go after him?
Speaker 2:Well, we've got two guys. I'm going to stay with the other guy, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, do you need to chase after him or are you going to stay with the car and the person?
Speaker 2:I'm staying with the guy in the car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shotguns and tattoos. I think she's talking about getting tased. But yeah, I'm probably going to stay with the car. Younger me I'm chasing Younger me is running after the rabbit every single time, but me, now I've I've learned. Hey, I've got somebody right here. They're going to be able to id that dude that just ran.
Speaker 2:uh, there's no need for me to go, get on the radio and call out a description.
Speaker 1:Other units yeah, hopefully they get there and find them. If not, uh, nina sandra, said eric levine. How could you tell meth is involved? His behavior he's very it's hard to explain unless you've been around. It, said Eric Levine. How could you tell meth is involved? His behavior it's hard to explain unless you've been around it, it's like tweaky.
Speaker 1:It's hard to explain. Hey, do you got any ID on you? I know I have some of the Just that behavior. It's one of those things that you know it when you see it. It's a very meth-y vibe to me.
Speaker 3:Let's break this down just real quick. No true fence around that property. It's probably privately owned or owned by the state. I'm not sure what it was there. Yeah, we can go back. Let's look at that for a second, legal-wise and law enforcement-wise, just looking at it and saying there's a lot of around it. It's open, the public can obviously walk through there.
Speaker 3:I'm not seeing signs, I'm not seeing a purple dot, nothing that's gonna keep somebody from naturally wanting to stay away from there. I get it, it may be private property, but it's. They're not doing their darndest to keep people out. So, yeah, on the guys running, unless we can say that we know who it is and they have a warrant, frequent flyer, et cetera, and we know for a fact, I'm staying with that car. If that car is the first thing that brought me there, I'm going to keep away from the fruits, you know what I mean and we're going to deal with the car and we've got him on video. So if we've got to identify him later, that's fine, but let's stay with that car yeah, and in the car is our, our now it's our offense originally.
Speaker 1:Again, we don't know why we're here. I can make contact with this guy. Hey, dude, you know and this this also makes a difference were we caught there or is this something we discovered on our own? If it's something we discovered on our own, we have less to work with. I can't force. I can't force a detention on this guy. I can make a consensual encounter. Hey, bro, you mind coming over here and talking to me and see where it goes? Hey, is this your car? Yeah, it's my car. Okay, now I linked him to the car, which is my offense because it's illegally parked. Sure, now we have the ability to start making our razz because you think about how he asked for his id.
Speaker 3:Do you mind if I see your? You know he's keeping it in a consensual encounter while he's looking into this. He's not demanding, so I appreciate that of the of the deputy.
Speaker 1:So yeah yeah and and let's be open and up front, that's one of the tricks of the trade. We, we don't demand it. We ask hey, man, you got your id. I just asked if you had it. I'm not asking for you to give it to me yet I'm saying hey, you got your.
Speaker 2:And he said no, once you, once you run the tag, you can see if it matches him right exactly so.
Speaker 1:and then you can start asking questions like hey, why is your car parked here? What do you? What were you doing over there? Like, if this guy says, shut the hell up, I don't want to talk to you, don't he? He doesn't have to talk to you, nope, and that's why I said him running, I'm not chasing him, I don't. I don't really have something to go chasing after him, for he wasn't behind the wheel of the car, it's just his car's illegally parked, so I'm gonna tow it. You just ran from your car, all right, I'm gonna tow it. Guess what happens when I tow it? I'm gonna inventory it. It's just the way that shit goes. So, and I'm gonna ask your friend there hey, who was that guy? So, yeah, uh, what mama g say figure out Raz after the fact, no, no one said that at all. No one's saying that at all. Don't put right now.
Speaker 3:Everybody's in a public space. The officer is free and legal to walk around there. Those people are free and legal to walk around there. He's keeping it a consensual encounter. There's a lot of officers that would handle this much. Definitely, hey, don't move. You guys aren't there, aren't there? I know you're not supposed to be back there. Uh, we don't know all the details of this call, but right now he's handling everything fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm, I don't. There's no issue, everything. You may not like the tactics of how he's going about doing this, but hey, if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck, most of the time it is so. If this officer did nothing, let's say this officer sees this did nothing. Then it turns out this dude jacked a bunch of copper. How much shit is that cop gonna get because he didn't try to investigate or do? That cop didn't do nothing. He saw that stuff going on. He didn't even you didn't tell me that that didn't look wrong. He's gonna get it from that side. But now that he is doing something, he's actually digging just a little bit. Now you're going to get on him because he's digging a little bit.
Speaker 1:What right does he have to dig? That could be. It could be, but let's call this for what the fuck it is. It's not. There's something afoot here and you can tell. So that's just part of the job, like it or not, this is part of the job, and I lean more towards this side of the house than just leaving this guy to be about his fucking business when he's on this property. It doesn't make any sense his car being parked there and going onto the property from that angle and coming out of that property from that angle, guaranteed there's a driveway somewhere, guaranteed there's a normal spot to enter. Everything looks shady. So, yeah, uh, what did now? Or I'm just trying to read your name now, or now, order salad, damn it, don't put a question up there if you're not gonna. Let me fucking read it. Alan, where'd it go? I lost it. I can't find it. Anyway, all right, let's keep going here.
Speaker 4:Tom Charles, scene 451 Indiana commemorative Really.
Speaker 1:I love the reaction Really. Okay, let's keep going. Oh, he's going to chase Hazer's out.
Speaker 2:I got one running for me on foot on South 3rd Street.
Speaker 1:Okay, the question I'm going to ask as a sergeant what offense do you have?
Speaker 2:You don't have anything.
Speaker 3:We don't have anything. This is Forrest Gump's brother man. He's just taking off for his run.
Speaker 1:Unless we know. Now, order Salad said what if it was me? And I said I don't want to talk to you. Fair, you don't have to. We have nothing to make you talk to us. There's nothing. If you don't want to talk, that's fine.
Speaker 1:I'm going to run the plate. I'm going to say hey, your cars can't be parked here. You need to move it and then maybe make contact with the owner of the place, but that's not going to do any good. Anyway, he didn't come out of there with anything. We have no reports of him vandalizing or doing anything like that. So we really got nothing other than that vehicle. The vehicle is illegally parked and that back window is not legal to drive around with anyway. But that's all you guys have.
Speaker 1:So for not ordering me a salad or whatever his name was, yeah, if you say you don't want to talk, I'm like, all right, fair enough, ma'am, hey, can you come talk to me? I'm going to try to talk to her now to see what she says. And I'm going to wordsmith. Hey, don't let your guy get you hung up on this stuff, what? Let's see what she says. And I'm going to wordsmith. Hey, don't let your guy get you hung up on this stuff? What's going on here? Why is this car parked here? What was he doing back there? What were you doing down the road Like?
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask questions. I'm going to try to find out. If you tell me to kick rocks, I got to kick rocks.
Speaker 3:All right, we're shoot you in the back. Right then I should have been yelling out, I'll stop or I'll shoot you in the back.
Speaker 2:Stop, you're going to get tased.
Speaker 4:You're going to get tased, all right.
Speaker 1:Okay, he's turning, looks like he's about to give up. I'm looking. Looks like he's wearing a wife beater. I don't know what are those shirts really called? Tank top, tank top, tank top? Yeah, I don't. I've never heard it called anything else. I'm just a wife beater shirt. Yeah, I don't think you're supposed to say that anymore. So he's turning. Now he's got his taser out. I'm okay with this, because the guy ran and he's got his. This looks like his hands are empty. But yeah, why the hell, you know? Okay, let's say you decide to tase them. What reason do you have?
Speaker 3:At what point do you have fruits of a poisonous tree? Right, we do have a less than lethal option here and you're on the stand tomorrow. Let's pretend like the justice system works seamlessly and it's tomorrow. Yeah, what is your answer as a peace officer on why I went afoot after him?
Speaker 1:Why did I chase this guy?
Speaker 2:The only reason I would be chasing him is if the call came out that there was a description of a guy doing something at that site.
Speaker 3:You bet he's taking a bale of whatever copper from here. It was inscribed, it went in the trunk. They're going back. It looks like they're doing something with tools now. Then you have a lot more, but we don't know the details on this. This officer may have a lot more information than we're led up to believe to this point. Yeah, so right now we're seeing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if he decides to tase this guy, it's going to be kind of sketch Again. We don't know what he knows. We're speculating y'all. This is all speculation. Let's keep going.
Speaker 4:Go now.
Speaker 1:I don't like that. He's reaching. Damn Jerry, you called it today, man, I don't like this. He's got a taser out and this guy's reaching. That looks like he's reaching to me. I don't like not being able to see hands. He's blading them. Yes, it's a bladed stance. That's an intentional move to deceive and hide stuff. My guess is he's throwing dope, but we'll see.
Speaker 4:Let's see your hands now. He's throwing dope, but we'll see now. No, get the on the ground, oh yes, that was reaching for a gun.
Speaker 1:That was shit. That was quick as hell, okay, and he went to a knee. Yeah, yeah, he took a more platform stance. Holy shit, now did he hit the officer. It didn't sound like a very loud gun either. That may have been the body cam.
Speaker 3:A little .32 or something, I don't know, that was a very deceiving move he made.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure I don't like that. He went back Very intense fire at South Dutchey.
Speaker 2:What's that? Speak down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a northern accent. For sure, that's a Michigan accent.
Speaker 4:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you right now, if a citizen officer I don't know, oh my I'm telling you right now if a citizen officers me is, bring it, help me, help me, help me, help everybody else. I need help here. I'll take it. I am not ashamed to die. I've had some big old uh banning Bubba's out there that have helped me wrestle with a guy before outside of a bar. I'm getting this guy down on the ground. I'm like, oh, I can feel his head kind of slipping out like he's gonna kind of almost backdoor me, um, and take my back. And all of a sudden we just all went to the ground. These two big bubbles were like are you good, officer?
Speaker 3:I'm like get his legs a little little posse comatose in action yeah, yeah, um, all right, let's uh keep oh my god baron run medic call supervisor.
Speaker 1:Oh my god bro, the scene is not secure. He didn't secure this dude.
Speaker 3:No, I mean, he's in shock. And this is a and every human I don't care how badass you think you are, people that are watching every human goes through a different reaction the first time they get shot at. I remember my first time and it's it's a reaction that is just, oh my god. You got to get on top of those motions real quick and command the scene yeah, I, I remember, uh, the first shooting I was involved in.
Speaker 1:I didn't shoot, we were shot at and I, just I was. I remember I was taught, you know, I remember learning in the Academy, you, you don't, sometimes you don't know your hit and I, I was adamant, like I was taking my shit off. I'm like, bro, just check me, check me. I'm a little amped up here, I just want to make sure. So, um, I, I just kind of scrubbed through this. Nothing else happens, it's just uh, it's just um was the officer hit.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't say he was hit. Let's, let's read those details, details right now. So, um, it says uh. Barion County, michigan. On June 30th 2025, deputy Cal Landon of the Berrien County Sheriff's Office approached a vehicle reportedly parked on private property. Okay, so that means the residents called and said, hey, this vehicle's on our property.
Speaker 3:Different story that opens up a whole different set of parameters.
Speaker 1:Right, so we've got private property, somebody's on it. We have complete right to stop and see what they're up to. When asked for identification, 40-year-old Joshua Coffey of South Bend abruptly fled on foot, leading the deputy to a nearby park. Body camera footage later revealed Coffey appearing to surrender before drawing a firearm and firing two shots. Oh, he got two off. I only thought he got one um at the deputy deputy, initially armed with a taser, managed to transition to a service weapon and return fire, fatally striking coffee. Moments later, deputy Sabrina Larrata arrived as the first backup unit, arrived on scene and found coffee to be deceased with the firearm in his hand with his finger on the trigger. Meanwhile, the unidentified woman who was with coffee at the start of the encounter has since been located, but further details remain wrapped under wraps due to the open case. Deputy Landon is currently in administrative leave following standard protocol for officers involved shootings.
Speaker 1:Okay, um, I'm going over here to the comments to see eye of the night. Hey, eric, uh, if you have a civilian aiding you before backup gets there, do you radio and inform them civilian, if I can think to do that. Yeah, yes, um, you got to have really good situational awareness, know that people are coming and know to to do that. Yeah, yes, um, you got to have really good situational awareness, know that people are coming and know to to put that out there. Um, I am of the opinion, if you're offering your help, you're a grown-ass person and you know what you're getting into. Yeah, so, um, I'm not going to coddle you. I I'm not going to throw you in harm's way. If I think that, I'm going to, let you know. Like he's fucking shooting a gun.
Speaker 3:And then in.
Speaker 1:Texas. You'll hear that good old boy go. I got two of them. I'm like all right shoot him.
Speaker 3:Jerry, I don't know if it was the same in Florida, but there's an 1800s law that's still covered here in Texas. Not a lot of law enforcement even knows about it because they haven't really covered it anymore.
Speaker 1:But it is that true posse comitatus law and if you're on the ground fighting with somebody, and you point I need your help if you read that law to the t eric. Is it not a felony if they don't act?
Speaker 3:and I don't know what the level is, but yeah it is an offense if they don't want to help there's a defense to prosecution on everything, however, I love that that law is in effect and while that posse comatose during that incident, that person that's not a police officer has the dual authority under that officer as an umbrella until that incident is over, and then it's automatically released to protect him.
Speaker 1:So I would never like in you guys have this for the record if I ever ask for somebody's help and they don't and I get hurt yeah, it's not on me alone.
Speaker 1:I don't. I don't want you to charge a citizen for not helping me because I asked them to like. It's not their job. Please don't charge them. But I understand why it exists. I get why they have it. It does make society come together. It's supposed to help, you know, because that's how we do the best policing. I can tell you right now I bet jerry would say the same thing all of my best police work has been when I collaborated with the citizens. It's never been by myself, it's never all been. Oh, this is what levine found. This is what levine investigated. And this is how levine got the bad. No, it's been. Levine got a little bit of this information. Levine went out and talked to the community. Community gave him this feedback. The community told him that this may be a good place to look. The community told him this was his hours of operation when he's over here in the community is the one that. Let me know that that person is over at this place and at this location at this time.
Speaker 2:We'll get it when I was a detective. I mean I canvassed neighborhoods and knocking on doors and talking to all the neighbors and you know they. Eventually you get some information.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you do and you build those relationships and I think certain officers they get it better. And when you know those officers they become a tool for you, not in a bad way. But when you realize there's some officers that have a really good relationship with the community, better than most, you go to them. Hey, this guy I think he's in your neighborhood Can you help me get some information from the community? Because if I go do it, they're not going to talk to me, they don't have the trust with me, but they do with you. And then that officer goes and says, hey, like one of my guys needs help, this one's worth it, I need your help. And they'll go out and they always come back with the information. So that's why I say, man, there's no honor amongst thieves. It usually works itself out because the community helps each other and that's how it should be. But, yeah, man, well, jerry, sir, we're at two and a half hours. It does kind of fly by If you're having fun, I always have fun doing these.
Speaker 3:I hope you're doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it goes quicker than most people. I tell people we usually do this for about an hour and a half to two and a half hours, sometimes three, and they're like well, I can't do it that long. I'm like yeah, everybody says that until you get in it.
Speaker 3:How long did we do that? One night, four or five hours.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think we had a five-hour night one night. Good Lord, bro, it was insane. It was insane, it was fun. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, I was pretty drunk at the end. They usually have a lot to do with it, I'm just drinking water, I'm not drinking anything else. Me too it's brown water, but we're good.
Speaker 3:Mine has water in it as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sparky bullshit. Sparky said Jerry, thanks for coming on the show. Eric Banning thanks for having him on. It was nice to see him again. 5 am comes early. Thanks, brock. Uh, thanks, brock. Gn. Good night, thanks, buddy. Appreciate it. Um, banning sweatland thanks for tonight.
Speaker 1:Just as linkedin user, I'm sure you'll be able to check your page. It's probably one of your people. Um, david edmonston said that there's an older video where civilians helped an injured officer on the road during a shootout on i-45. I remember that video. I know what you're talking about. Um, yep, uh, what did that say? Brandar said Eric, have you reached out to Southern Draw Law? I have not. I haven't had an opportunity to have been so busy with all the Long Island audit stuff. So now, before we get off of here, guys, I want to make sure that you're completely clear of our DTV page. So I'm going to go to that real quick and share it. We keep getting more and more features to it, so please make sure. If you haven't yet, try to go there, check it out. Maybe join up if you feel the need to.
Speaker 3:And that LinkedIn user just real quick because I want to give him credit. His name is Chris Ramsey. It looks like he's out of Seattle and I believe he's part of the Air Force. I'm just reading down the page now and he's the one that thanked me for the night, so thank you for Chris for being here.
Speaker 1:Yep, jim Miner, we love the show. Appreciate it, liz. Super cool show guys, thank you. So much's from wifey um. But yeah, guys, check out our dtv um. Nunchuck demo for closeout. Would you leave the man alone? He's in his 70s now. He ain't nunchucking nothing. Uh, I don't want. I don't want that liability on my show. You guys, everybody, yes, nunchucks, I'll probably swing it around and hit myself in the head Right I got, and we're just going to be sitting here all quiet and like it's a perishable skill, yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, so yeah, check us out on DTV. Um, you know, make sure you go to the Instagrams and the YouTubes and all that stuff Like, follow, subscribe everybody that paid for memberships tonight. Thank you, harrison and Brandar. Guys, you putting money into the show is what helps keep it running, so thank you for doing that. But what really also helps us is the follows and just sharing just the network stuff. Jerry, you got any closing words of wisdom, sir?
Speaker 2:Well, I just really appreciate you having me on and I plan on doing a couple more podcasts in the future with some other uh people. And then I think in Miami, uh counterculture is doing a big uh live event on August 16th that I'm going to be in. I'm going to actually be there, I'm going to Florida anyway to visit some family members and I'm going to uh be at their event.
Speaker 1:that they're going to have. Okay, you said August 16th. You think August?
Speaker 2:16th in Miami.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me see if I can't find that and share.
Speaker 3:While you're doing that, I'm going to ask Jerry something. I hate when people ask me this question hey, do you know? So-and-so, he's a Dallas cop and I'm like, dude, there's. No, I don't know. I'm sure he's a great guy, but down in your area of where you worked, and this gentleman is still working or just recently retired. His name was Robert Greenberg and he lived or worked there was a, an Island just South of Miami, and I know he instructed all over the place. I'm not sure what all he instructed, but he was the guy that founded law enforcement today. And then he ended up selling it to a good friend of mine named Kyle Reyes, and now he owns it. But I didn't know if he ever came and did some teachings. You may have remembered, but again, his name was Robert Greenberg. I believe he was a captain and he may have recently retired.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think I know that guy good deal yeah there's the flyer right there.
Speaker 1:Yep. So shout out to Counter Culture. You guys remember that's all involved with Copville and Antihero Podcast and the Donut Shop Podcast With Justin, who we were talking about earlier. Guys on the ground, yep, and then, and Beyond the Barrel, they're all part of that. Yeah, red ninja from beyond the barrel, um, guys, check them out. Um, I feel like I'm missing one more. I don't want to leave anybody out, uh, but I can't. Nobody's coming to mind, um, so, yeah, check all of those guys out. Um, they're great, I love them, I support their stuff all the time and, uh, I think they're out there doing great things, just just like we're trying to do. So make sure you guys check them out and check out that event. Go see Jerry.
Speaker 3:And hang out, and it looks like your wife knows, robert. She said it twice in the comments over here. Robert Greenberg.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I know Robert. Yeah, he's a great guy man Good dude, good dude.
Speaker 3:Yup, he's a great guy, man Good dude, good dude.
Speaker 1:Yep, hell, yeah, all right. Well, that's all I got everybody. Thank you for joining us tonight. This will be available on our podcast for you to listen to later on sometime this week, and you can always come back and watch the video on our YouTube channel and watch the live rerun.
Speaker 3:Same on LinkedIn and Facebook, I believe.
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Speaker 3:So Jerry, Jerry, if you could stick around for a second and we
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