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When Policing Goes Wrong: A Conversation with John J Wiley on Law Enforcement Accountability
What happens when policing goes wrong? This episode takes a hard, unflinching look at both sides of the badge as we welcome retired Baltimore Police Sergeant John J Wiley to discuss his experiences during the crack epidemic and analyze several troubling police encounters caught on body cameras.
John shares how his career was cut short when a suspect tried to shoot him with his own service revolver, forcing him to retire at 33 with permanent injuries. He describes policing Baltimore during the 1980s when crack cocaine transformed urban violence "from violent to ultra-violent" almost overnight. His raw perspective on use of force—"If you've got to hit someone, be devastating, be quick, and get it done"—offers insight into an older generation of policing philosophy.
The heart of our conversation revolves around analyzing five police encounters that demonstrate different aspects of modern policing challenges. We examine footage of officers forcing a paralyzed man to crawl out of his vehicle during a traffic stop for a license plate light, an officer unlawfully detaining a citizen filming in public, and a tragic shooting involving a special needs individual with what appeared to be a gun.
Throughout our discussion, we highlight the importance of constitutional policing, proper training, and the devastating consequences when officers fail to respect citizens' rights. The contrast between John's old-school approach and today's expectations creates a fascinating dialogue about how policing has evolved—and where it still needs improvement.
Whether you work in law enforcement or simply care about police accountability, this episode offers valuable perspective from officers willing to criticize their own profession when necessary. Join us for this thought-provoking conversation that doesn't shy away from the uncomfortable truths about law enforcement in America today.
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Welcome to Two Cops One Donut podcast. The views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Two Cops One Donut, its host or affiliates. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guests opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language, viewer discretion advised and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I am your host, eric Levine, here again with the Banning Sweatland and the man behind the scenes, alan Nelson, who's out front today, and our special guest, john J Wiley. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2:It's a pleasure to be here with you all Doing very well tonight. I'm actually pretty excited, eric, both Eric and Banning have been on my show before.
Speaker 1:Alan not yet, oh, not yet. Uh-oh, that may be something for our followers. Alan's got his own cult following. John Alan he's normally our behind the scenes guy, but when we have an extra space, cause typically we have three of us, as you know hosts, co-hosts, and we try to we try to limit who's on the on the front, but Alan, he gets to jump in all the time while he's running things behind the scenes Cause he does our Instagram, our TikTok, our Discord, our what else do you do, alan? I mean it doesn't stop.
Speaker 3:I make sure Instagram's working.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that what's going on? I hear you, I make sure.
Speaker 2:Instagram, by the way, alan's got this and I can't remember the actor. He's got this doppelganger going on of some famous hollywood actor. Always plays a goofball. I can't remember who it was.
Speaker 1:Right away, alan, maybe you know and talk about that's funny because alan usually plays the goofball for us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's generally how I I smell a new hashtag coming hollywood alan, I smell a new hashtag by the way, he reminds me a little bit of the, the guy from I'm just not saying about the prison Shawshank Redemption, that's who he reminds me of, that guy Andy whatever his name was kind of creepy looking on Allen, but it's good. It's good on you.
Speaker 1:I'll take that. I'll take that. I see it now that you mention it. Yeah, absolutely so, john. I want people to get comfortable with you, know who you are, know where you're from. Can you give them a little bit of background about your history with law enforcement?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm a retired police sergeant from the Baltimore City Maryland Police Department. I did a little over 11 years. I got hurt and retired. A long story short a guy tried to shoot me with my service revolver that's how long ago it was while still in my hand and I thought I sprained my wrist and we had shots being fired off at his face my face, I thought. I sprained my wrist, I had three surgeries, a couple of steel plates put in my right hand, which you can see right now, and I was retired at the ripe old age of 33 and then slowly began pursuing, around 1999, the audio podcasting space.
Speaker 2:Before the podcast was audio blogs. I did my first one. Then I had a brokered radio show where I paid for my time two hours every Saturday night, then went to night school and I've been a full-time music jock for just about 19 years. And in 2017, I took everything I learned from radio and created. Back then it was called the Law Enforcement Today podcast and we got quickly recruited by radio stations, first one being in upstate New York. We had 13 stations I self-affiliated with, self-syndicated with. Now we're syndicated by Talk Media Network. We have 146 radio stations. We broadcast AM, fm radio stations across the United States. We broadcast weekly about 48 million combined population. Then episodes go online as a podcast. So that's the Reader's Digest condensed version of it.
Speaker 1:I love it, I love it. So my question is did you know that you had a voice for radio? Because it's buttery.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got. There's two stories that really stick out. One was I was walking foot on reisterstown road in baltimore, maryland. I walked into a barber shop and they looked at me like the guy was there. He's a sales rep for some radio station and he goes man, you could be selling all kinds of products. You got a great voice. You should be doing afrosheen and all those commercials. I'm like, okay, sign me up.
Speaker 2:I'm good for that, because I was like three steps above broke working back then with baltimore police department. Uh, secondly, long story short, when, when I was a rookie cop and we had to go downtown on midnight shift, we were always told to call our dispatchers and see if they need anything, because they were locked in. They couldn't get out out, so I called in. I had to come downtown for reports. It was midnight shift, it was about three o'clock in the morning. They made the coffee orders. I picked them up, I drove in, they buzzed me in and I was like I've got coffee for you guys. They looked at me like who are you? I'm 635 unit. And they went. Looked at me like who are you? I'm 635 unit.
Speaker 2:And they went oh, the dispatcher, you can see her jaw go. She's like we always thought you were black. Yeah, sunny. Sunny is a police officer. He goes and turns out you're. We thought you're very white, turns out you're very white. And from then then on I was known as Barry White and it kind of stuck, especially with bad, stinking DOA calls hey, barry, what's going on? And it was a bad one.
Speaker 1:Very white, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, Very white yeah.
Speaker 6:That is fantastic. That's true story.
Speaker 1:That's so funny. Okay, so what year did you get in? I started in October of 1980 and I retired in February of 92.
Speaker 2:Oh man, you went through the heyday of policing. Well, we went through Baltimore in the area I worked in. It was always really heavy in narcotics with. Heroin was always a big problem, cocaine was a problem and then this thing called crack cocaine came in and changed the dynamics and Baltimore was always uber violent. And it has been I always say jokingly since the War of 1812. It's been very, very violent. And back when I started, our starting pay, eric and Banning, was $13,280 a year, killing Four departments. On our own I ate mac and cheese, cup of noodles and all that stuff. I get a roommate to have an apartment, so, but I was getting shot at the very first time for under $14,000 a year. And nowadays I look at cops and they complain about making a hundred grand and I go, yeah, things have changed quite a bit, because, man, what I could do with a hundred grand compared to 13, it was a big difference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go to the chats real quick. We got somebody named two box. I want to get to his question. He had a question and he said I've heard that being nice to a cop can go a long way when you're pulled over. It might even help you avoid a ticket. But how do you actually be nice without incriminating yourself? Well, let me chime in here. You can be nice and just go back and forth with pleasantries. Hey, sir, how are you Good to go? Hey, the thing you got to.
Speaker 1:This is what I don't like with certain cops. One thing that I don't like is the setup question. You know the setup question, benny, do you know why I pulled you over? I absolutely hate it. I like the what is it? They call it the seven-step violator thing. Hey, I'm Officer Levine from such and such department.
Speaker 1:The reason I pulled you over is because of this. Is there any reason that you did this? While you're at it, can I get your license, registration and proof of insurance? Now they know why I pulled you over and I've hopefully disarmed them from being defensive and they can choose to answer that question or not. But that doesn't mean you have to be an asshole. You can be nice, and definition of nice is subjective. So I like a person that's straight to the point. Nope, I don't know why I did that. Here's my license and insurance. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1:Really, what I'm going to end up doing and what I've seen most cops do is they go back and they just look at your record oh, he's never been pulled over. Or oh, he's got 18. And what I've seen most cops do is they go back and they just look at your record oh, he's never been pulled over. Or oh, he's got 18 tickets in the last four months. This dude's not learning. These are all factors in how they deal with things. Me personally, you guys know I'm not a big ticket guy, period. I'm going to tell you what you did. I'm going to try to tell you how to avoid. You know how to avoid it and and hopefully it's just a short little educational thing hey, the reason why I pulled you over is because you were doing 25 over. You're doing something I really wouldn't do myself and I don't want to be a hypocrite cop, so that's why I pulled you.
Speaker 4:Please slow it down and hopefully everything's cool from there and my whole thing, just to even add onto what Eric is saying is and I'm not a Eric and I I don't think Eric was is a big ticket writer. We've said that before. I've never been a big, I've always been more of a beat cop out there mingling with the people. But yeah, in the downtime, you know, working, uh, interdiction stuff and working stops and stuff like that I may stop 40 people in a shift and I may write one citation in a school zone. I'm just not a big, big citation writer but my thing where I'm getting at is anybody I stop and every FTO, I believe, taught me wrong.
Speaker 4:They always said when you initiate that traffic stop, you need to know in your head if you're going to write them a ticket or not before you make contact.
Speaker 4:And I disagree with that because that first 10 seconds when I'm up at the window introducing myself, stating the violation on why they're stopped, their response of things coming to me, because I treat it as a case-by-case scenario because it is.
Speaker 4:I mean, there's so many things that go on in people's lives and I could never make that determination of somebody just going by saying I'm going to write them a ticket. You go up there. I'm nor a judge or a jury and that citation is to to bring them to the courts and let them do that thing. But that would always be my first 10 seconds with that person is was my kind of determining factor. You had to run them and see obviously there's a felony warrant or something like that. Of course we have to act on that, but the misdemeanor traffic warrants and stuff our agency allowed us to use our own discretion on a traffic stop. But my whole thing was that first 10 second interaction with the person. Then I'd know whether or not if I was going to write them a citation and give them a warning and cut them on their way.
Speaker 1:What do you got, John?
Speaker 2:I hated traffic, I despise traffic and everybody that ever wrote I wrote a ticket for talked their way into it by calling me names, being argumentative, whatever it might be. Back in Maryland back in the day I don't know what things are like we were always taught the less conversation the better. It wasn't about not being nice, not being professional, it was you're required to give license and registration to a uniformed officer. Take a beat on my car. Not being professional, it was you're required to give license and registration to a uniformed officer. They could be done more. Car didn't matter.
Speaker 2:And if they want to argue that point, I didn't even tell you why I stopped you. But it got to the point where I was so busy in the area I worked with robberies, murders, shootings we didn't have time for traffic. If I didn't think you had guns, a stolen car or drugs in that car, I did not want to stop you. If I did stop you, it's because you ran a red light. You did something inherently dangerous and if you were argumentative, you're going to get a ticket and I'm not going to say much of anything. I'm not going to argue with you. I'm not going to have a dispute with you in the middle of the street. But if you talk to me badly and you talk to me like I'm a piece of you, know what you're going to get treated like that, the same way. So a lot of people talk to themselves in tickets.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, I arrested two people my entire career for DUI Two. Yeah, both of them swung on me. That's what you had to do to get me to do something with traffic. Wise. If it was uh street crime is a different story, but uh traffic I despise with passion.
Speaker 1:I'm still not a big fan yeah, perry lemley said john, I was working long beach in compton, california, as an emt when crack hit the streets.
Speaker 2:Damn man, it changed everything. It changed everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Jerry Worms. I don't know if you recognize the name, John. He would be great for your show. By the way, he was the first officer ever on cops, oh really.
Speaker 2:Yes, we can send him an email and I'll reply back. Here's a question Was the Wire a fair representation of Baltimore for the era? Yes and no. I watched the Wire and I recognized bits and pieces of eight or nine cops that I knew personally in one character. Some of the things they did you would never get away with Because we had these pesky little things called sergeants and lieutenants. They actively did their jobs. They were not allowed to do the things that they did. But when crack came through, man, I don't know what it was about it, but it went from violent, it went from out of control. We had PCP, we had heroin, heroin. We had what they called boat, which was marijuana laced with pcp, and the only way you can get them under control is by choking them out. I don't care what they said when they come to themselves, these wrist locks and arm bars and finger things. They never worked in real scraps. But uh, when crack came in all of a sudden, within six months everything changed and it went from violent to ultra violent.
Speaker 1:it was like night and day switch wow, and that and that goes to show the the cultural difference and change from the time that you were a cop versus what it is now, where a choke it can't even be entertained unless it's a deadly force situation.
Speaker 2:Well, we had back in the day, and so in Baltimore we had what's called the nice deck. The way you use it is called an S-pantone, which means you use. We're taught where the barrel head of it was. You never hang on. You hang on to the other part of it. You spun it around, you did a lot of things, but that tool kept people away from you and it served as an intimidation factor because we all traded in our balsa wood nightsticks for table legs very, very quickly. There's two guys that made these table leg nightsticks and it kept people at distance and if you got cracked with one of them it changed the ballgame totally. So we rarely ever had to resort to deadly force because you had a nightstick, which was very, very, very useful. You had chokeholds you had which, by the way, mace, we never used.
Speaker 2:It was flammable back then Mace said it only worked on innocent bystanders and police. It never worked on the bad guys.
Speaker 6:Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2:Fair, things have changed, and and the reason they've changed is because, uh, cops are their own worst enemies. Many times they do stupid things, uh, but um, they're. The bosses are more concerned with optics than they are with the reality. The reality is in baltimore now, you got families with multiple kids being killed, not just by police, by other people, multiple kids in prison, and if we went back to the old school days, a lot of stuff wouldn't be happening. But it doesn't look good.
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Speaker 1:Acorn MagdumpAcorn said. I remember politely pushing back on the accusation of a CHP officer and he called BS on me. When he came back to my window apparently he decided I was right and he was wrong. Hey, that's always a good thing.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you are. Sometimes, look, we're human beings doing a superhuman job, and sometimes you make mistakes. That's what human beings doing a superhuman job. And sometimes you make mistakes. That's what human beings do. And sometimes, with the case with cops and we talked about this before this interview sometimes they let stuff carry over. We don't know where they came from and what we see is what we think is being out of control, but we don't know what they just came from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, see, is someone what we think is being out of control, but we don't know what they just came from. Yeah, yep, um, we've got uh harrison brock just dropped uh 20 memberships in the chat. Thank you, harrison.
Speaker 4:As always, harrison basically supports the show I don't know, harrison's a great dude man and he, he supports us every show yeah, and and and keeps us afloat with with our bills for what we're putting out there.
Speaker 1:And just so you guys know, when you go to like our Discord channel, we've got the full royalty Discord channel and that's the money that you guys put into the show. So thank you very much for the donations. We really appreciate it. I want to address a point somebody put in the comments. We've been going so good, oh, and Marineblood did not get an account, by the way. So as they put in the chat, it looks like uh, there's another one that didn't get one too.
Speaker 4:That's been on here forever. Freeman freeman keys hasn't gotten one yet never gets one.
Speaker 1:yeah, you know, weird, that is weird. So the question I pose to you two guys because you both kind of mentioned this is is a attitude check. If somebody gives you an attitude, then you you're like fuck them, I'm giving them a ticket. I have always kind of had a problem with that format.
Speaker 1:My dad was a cop. He retired 30 years and he kind of gave me the wisdom when I was younger, before I had become a cop. He's like if I find myself getting annoyed or mad because of their behavior, I definitely don't write a ticket. He's like if I hadn't decided yet and I'm making the decision out of them being an ass, I'm not writing it and I. It kind of stuck with me and I was like all right, that makes sense. And so I'm curious with with that, because I know the culture of policing when, if we're going to be honest, that was kind of how our FTOs taught us oh, if they're being an asshole, write them.
Speaker 1:If we're going to be honest, that was kind of how our FTOs taught us oh, if they're being an asshole, write them. And that's how we were taught. I remember being taught that and and I remember telling myself like, if I'm making the decision off of my emotion. I'm not writing it because when I go to court, my biggest fear and this was because of my dad, it wasn't because of experience. So I want to make this clear.
Speaker 1:This was wisdom passed down that I finally listened to and him saying if they get you on the stand and they ask what made you write the ticket and it was because you were pissed off police that's a no-go and it's not right. So I'm curious to you guys when you say that you'd write it based on that, is it because you got emotionally wrapped into it or is it just a a final factor of okay, like I, I tried to be fair and now you're just being like. You didn't get emotionally compromised, you wrote it because of them doing what they were doing. I'm just curious. I'll let you go first. Banning.
Speaker 4:I never got emotionally involved. You know when I talk about that 10 seconds. We all have lives. We all have bad times and good times in our lives and just because somebody wants to MF me at the window, it doesn't mean they're a bad person. I have no clue what happened to them before they came through the intersection. I have no clue what happened to them this morning or last night and I always had to try to put myself in their pants, as I hope people would do for me as being an officer of the law, as I hope they put themselves in my pants.
Speaker 4:And I believed just being fair. You be fair out there, people are going to be fair to you and that was not always liked because I was never going to get selected for a traffic unit which I never wanted to work. You know I would never be selected for some other deal to where we're going to go out and concentrate on tickets. That's just not my thing. I love interacting with people. So you let your emotions just like you, eric, I had a. I had a wise FTO tell me the same thing Never allow your emotions get to you, because we are not a punisher, and that rang clear to me in my first year of police work. We are not the punisher. We are there to bear witness of what we see right at the best that we can, and if it's of an offense, it gets judged on a jury of their peers. So that's how I've always looked at law enforcement my whole career.
Speaker 1:All right, john, I want to get to you, but before we do, this was a cool comment. This show has been so inspiring to me. Thanks to my wife for supporting me, I leave for the Academy in September.
Speaker 2:You're welcome. Oh yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:John, I would love for you to give some wisdom on that.
Speaker 2:I don't know about wisdom. See, when I was a rookie cop, I was trained by and, by the way, the academy is great I graduated number two in my academy class. I really thought I had it going on. I knew nothing when I hit the streets nothing. So I was trained by a lot of Vietnam combat veterans that were Baltimore police and we had a few command staff that were Korean war veterans. So it was a different time.
Speaker 2:But the number one rule they taught me and this still this I still it's, it's part of my character always treat people with respect until they change the tone of the conversation. Then there's no backing down. So if you were a street cop, like I was, and you get a call to someone's house and let's just say it's domestic, usually it's alcohol involved. Whatever we say, joe, it's not our first time to that house. Hey, look, you can go out, you can leave, you can have time with your friends, you can do other stuff. Come back tomorrow, things will be cool.
Speaker 2:If you decide you don't want to do that, I'm going to have to lock you up and I'm going to call for backup if I need to fight you, and there's going to be 50 police showing up with fat police with mustard stains on their shirts and they're not going to care. So the really choice is up to you. But when we were a street cop, the the treat every respect. We treated everybody decently and we we had a term that was called verbal judo back in the day, where we would tell people in no uncertain terms what was happening, and sometimes that was rough.
Speaker 2:they didn't like it. And now it's called discourtesy from a lot of people when they use that kind of talk. But if you allow someone to disrespect you on the street corner in front of their friends, then you open yourself up for that punch, then you open yourself up for the knife fight, you open yourself up for being shot. So you have to find a line and say this I will not tolerate. I won't treat you bad, but this I will not tolerate. And when they cross that line which some did they paid the price.
Speaker 1:Yep, and I think that's an important point to make, and as somebody that grew up in the Flint area and knowing that there were certain circumstances that if you let somebody punk you that's one of the terms that we use If you let somebody punk you, you have just opened yourself up to be open season for people that will victimize you. And it's the same in policing, and you know, a good representation of a small part of that that I love to go back to is the movie Colors. If you remember the movie Colors, you had Pac-Man and he was a rookie cop and he did, he opened himself up a little bit to be taken advantage of and you see, like when he stepped up up, like it doesn't mean you go and violate somebody's rights. I don't, it's not what I'm saying, but you can't be stepped on. So I think that's something especially like with our crowd that follows, they can, they can understand, and so it's it's. It is a very fine line.
Speaker 1:Uh, mr billfold just said a common ground for police and civilians would be that is never beneficial to be emotionally controlled by others. Agreed, agreed. I think us all on the panel definitely agree with that. When your emotions start to take over. It should be your partner's job to step in and say, hey, I see, like as a cop, um, if you see, and then if you're a cop and you're dealing with somebody that's emotionally compromised which is going to be the majority you have to be able to see that and understand it and try to use the verbal judo, use the de-escalation I hate the term de-escalation.
Speaker 2:I don't like it either.
Speaker 1:Because it's not. Everything needs to be de-escalated necessarily. It just needs to be deescalated necessarily. It just needs to be worked. It needs to be talked through and have a conversation and figure out what's going on. And sometimes there is no room for deescalation. Sometimes you just have to go straight to business is how it is. Perry Lemley, I was taught verbal judo and I remember the verbal judo book. I mean, I had the physical book that was called verbal judo. Yeah, they just repackaged it and figured out a way to make more money on it.
Speaker 2:That's a funny thing. And, by the way, de-escalation I was always taught we were doing that in the 1980s. Yeah, that's a. That's a strategy that both participants need to be involved in. The cop can't do them himself. The cop can't do it himself. The cop can't make you into Superman. They can't make you into one take on the world. They can't do any of that stuff. But they can't make you calm down. They can use trickery, they can use deception, they can use a lot of things Mind games we used to play with people to get them to calm down. But Eric brought up a great point Every call for service we had, it was the end of the world for them. It was not a good situation we were walking into. So we had to immediately start de-escalating, otherwise everything would have been a shooting call and said what's y'all's thoughts on cops getting put on the Brady list?
Speaker 1:I've been told multiple times that's you're not doing your job if you don't get put on it. In my opinion, you are on it due to poor policing. I don't know who ever told you that getting put on the Brady list is like you don't want to be on the Brady list period Ever. That's a bad thing.
Speaker 2:Isn't that about dishonesty, false report and all that stuff?
Speaker 1:So the Brady list for those listening, the Brady list is basically the courts have found that your testimony is untruthful and they're going to put you on this list that says you can't testify. Well, if you can't testify, all your cases are basically null and void from here on out and may even go back if you get a good defense attorney that's going to go check your cases out and say, hey, he's on the Brady list. I want my guy, I want his case dismissed because this guy is untruthful. The problem with the Brady list. So here's the ins and outs politically. Sometimes you get a district attorney that's on a political move and wants to make a name for themselves by holding cops accountable and they will put a cop on that Brady list. Now, the Brady list is only good for their county, it's not good for the nation. So when you start to learn about the Brady list, you find out that there is actually some political corruptness that can be behind it. So in some spots, yeah, the Brady list is great and it makes a lot of sense. But some of the problems with the Brady list is and I like to use, you know, no shots at my buddy, frank.
Speaker 1:Frank got caught up on the Brady list thing, because of a type, not a typo. He was on a night shift and any cop can understand where I'm coming from on this. When you get caught on a call. You already worked your 10, 12-hour shift, whatever it is, and now we're coming up on that 14, 16-hour, and you had a really important call and you want to make sure you type out that report as accurately and as honestly as possible. You don't want to do it while you're tired because it's going to get fucked up.
Speaker 1:So what Frank did was he did the report the next day but he backdated it for the day that the offense happened. Well, the DA got him on a technicality, he changed the date and now he has a false report because he put the wrong date on there and that wasn't his intention, but that's what they hemmed him up on. So I I can see that happening. That's that's that's him trying to do it, uh, in a way that he thought was right and then that this da thought was wrong, and so is what it is. You can you can agree or disagree with me, but I understand where that comes from.
Speaker 2:There's a couple of questions about the Brady list and this is after my time in policing. Number one the big term they use in Baltimore is false report. So if you gave false information you're immediately suspended. You're not allowed on the street. So this idea you're still pulling people over. I don't know where that comes from. So this idea you're still pulling people over? I don't know where that comes from. And, by the way, people seem to be fascinated with this idea that police are constantly pulling people over for traffic violations. Banning had a great point. I was so busy 30, 40 calls a shift I didn't have time for traffic. It was the lowest thing in the totem pole. A slow Sunday morning on day work maybe we do traffic, but really very rare. We pull people over because we're just too darn busy from call to call to call.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I and okay. So here's the counterbalance to exactly what you're saying. Yes, I was the same way, like you had to find certain windows of your shift. If, if that was how you wanted to be proactive and I knew a lot of officers that like to do that um were for me.
Speaker 1:I like to set up on dope houses, like in our downtime. That was my thing. I would go set up on a dope house, I would wait for that car to show up for five seconds, go inside or somebody would run out to the car and the car would leave, and then I I'd find a traffic offense, knock the car down and see what I find. And you know normally you're finding dope and stuff like that. But you know what you're looking for is the guns, the violent offenses and stuff like that. So that was how I would use my downtime. But yes to exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1:But here's the problem, john, is there's, there's agency. Okay, most agencies let's say 85%-ish are 20 officers or less. Oh, yeah, and they signed up. They've had this dream of being a cop and going out and catching murderers and robbers and thieves and in their little town of 20 officers, the only thing that they have to do to be proactive which is all the time because they're not getting the calls is knock down cars, and that is the thing I think a lot of people are talking about in these cities, because you worked at a Baltimore, I work in a major metropolitan area.
Speaker 1:We don't have time for that stuff. We don't have time. So your LAPD, your NYPD, baltimore, these guys Chicago, they don't have time for that stuff, and that's hard for people that are from smaller towns are like bullshit. They're knocking cars down all day long. Where I'm at, I can tell you one near me, delaware and Garden, those guys write more tickets than Dallas PD and they're only like 30 officers deep if that in a one square mile, only like 30 officers deep if that in a one square mile. So that is. I think that is where a lot of people are coming from when they're like no, they knock down cars all day long and this is what they do. So how?
Speaker 4:do you get that? And in reference to Coco's next question or her statement, I wish the public had access to the Brady List. You do question of her statement. I wish the public had access to the Brady list. You do you go to your DA and you file a FOIA Freedom of Information Act request on who is currently in 2025 on the DA that's still an active peace officer within this county or within this district. They've got 10 days to respond to you and then they got to follow other stuff you can absolutely find. You may not see the details, then you might have to go to that department and for you any type of internal affairs that would be available, but you can absolutely find that out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, magdump asked if we had caught the Barns v Felix Supreme Court case ruling. Yes, they did actually put a video out on it. If you can backtrack and find that, can backtrack and find that. Um, the it's interesting case read um, I thought it was a, I I had a certain view on it and then I talked to von kleem. Um, I'm not sure if you know, by the way, uh, john, another great person that you should get, he's the head of force science. Um von kleem. Um, it sounds like a villain. Von kleem is his actual name, a German villain.
Speaker 1:Mr Cleem is what I thought of right away yeah, and he kind of looks like Lex Luthor but he called me and kind of talked me off the ledge about what that ruling came out to be and so, but, yeah, the Felix vs Barnes, barnes vs Felix, however it is, that's a good case to talk to. And then somebody, a couple people, said in the thing about frank and so I I'm not hiding from it guys uh, they said that he got he's on the brady list for some other reasons. If there is, that's the only one I know about, I didn't, I didn't know there was others. So, um, if there's more, then yeah, maybe that's something we can. We can talk.
Speaker 3:well, that's partially the issue with the Brady list is it's not straightforward. Not every agency or DA does it the same way and their perception is different, and so the standard across the nation is not to lose followers.
Speaker 1:You're copsplaining, don't be copsplaining.
Speaker 3:No, no, I truly believe that, like, like, I think it is a great thing to have. I just don't think that there's a standard.
Speaker 1:yeah, I I am, you know how all for a federal database of cops that have either been fired, left for other reasons other than honorable. They need to have some sort of system so we can keep track of that stuff, because they don't do it. And what do we see, john? The case that I was talking about with the boiling water, the Sonia Massey case. That dude had been fired from like six different departments or had left because of undesirable reasons and then was allowed to get hired in another agency, and stuff like that. I'm like how, in 2025, do we not have a? That's what we sign up for you get hired to begin with.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's the thing the person that's in charge of recruiting or hiring, no matter how small the agency is. They got an obligation and as a sergeant, I was responsible for everybody in my squad, what they did when you're on duty and off duty, yeah. So, yeah, you had to watch them, and you're a sergeant now too. You have an ultimate responsibility, and when someone has been at six different agencies before that, I can guarantee you this they will not be hired by my agency because, brady List or not, federal Database or not, there's something amiss with this guy and he's not coming on my department because I'm not going to be held responsible for that jackwad.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah. If that dude came on my team and I learned that he'd been at six different departments. Like anybody that's a cop is going to be like oh my God, what the fuck? Like? That's not normal. Now if he tells me oh, me and my wife were military, we bounced around. I got hired on as a reserve from here Reserve Like I have seen that that's a possibility but that's very rare. It's not normal.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we call them Bounce, bounce, bounce, and I'm saying less than 18 to 20 months at an agency. I mean that's the red flag. I can understand your spouse gets a job and at one time you're moving over there and you may be gone from a reserve to a full-time status because now you need to pull in some more bacon for the family and you were doing it as a reserve as opposed to another full-time job and just kind of doing it. I see a lot of those as well. But I believe Texas also got rid of the honorable through dishonorable on their. What is that? The L5 card or whatever it's called. Now they have a different system and obviously they still have to do the in-person meet, meaning agency.
Speaker 4:The recruit left agency B. Now he's coming to agency A for money or whatever. The professional standards unit or the hiring unit within that agency now must go to every other agency he's been at while he's been a peace officer and basically pull the records and talk with their internals about thoughts on that person and I think that's a great thing to do. I hope it's actually going on. Texas has always been pretty good at it. I know they're not perfect, but I know they're striving for it. And this new, the new Tico they got going down there is doing a lot better at things.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, go ahead. They require you to the. You know. So the last one I did. You have to have the entire personal history in the packet. If not you will, you can get a violation.
Speaker 1:I just want to say Alan, your new man cave is nice and you're looking crispy, you're coming in clean, bro, I love it.
Speaker 5:Thank you. I like the work that you did.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 3:It's glad to have a home and not in the middle of the living room I want to give.
Speaker 1:Magdum's question here, or statement some kudos, because he said what about when an officer resigns under investigation? That's exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. That should be a red flag. That should be amongst on the database. You should not be able. If we start investigating you and you leave, that is leaving under something less than honorable in my opinion. So that should qualify If you leave under investigation in lieu of firing or whatever. Like no, that's a checkmark.
Speaker 4:Well, I think that agency that has a specific officer under investigation, he puts in his notice or just leaves because he thinks he's going to leave the fire pot of getting in trouble. I think that once the new agency if they don't know about that yet and they cue the state agency for records that states you are unable to hire or do your hiring process until the investigation has been released from the previous agency, and then, if that's the case and there's issues going on in the state of wherever to have their Texas Rangers come assist with this investigation this guy, is he darting something? Is it a bad administration that it's actually doing the person wrong? Just to have that external thought on top of it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you bring up a good point when it comes to is is the department coming after him? Because sometimes that happens, departments they they get a wild hair up their ass and they don't like this particular officer because he's doing whatever. And now, they're yeah yeah, and they, they're coming after him or whatever. So that's a good point to bring up too. Freeman Keyes said. But most areas are hurting, so bad for cops. They will hire anyone and I'm not gonna. I'm not going to call you a liar, sir.
Speaker 2:I'll jump in on that one really quickly. There's an old saying people get the police department they deserve and they vote for. You vote for politicians, you listen to the news media, you decide you want to become an activist, for whatever reason. And the people that are good, the so-called good cops the minute they can retire, they do, and what you wind up getting is the B team. When you need help, that's who shows up, the B squad. And then when they're not available, you get the C squad.
Speaker 2:And if you have an agency that is, let's just say, subpar, because you are part of the reason that made it that way. They police their community. They're made up of their community members. They're brought in from other parts of the United States. And last thing I'll say is this it is harder in the Baltimore police department, even where they're hiring the most, to get on the job when you are a former police somewhere else than if you had no police experience at all. It's much easier to get a job with no police experience because they have to retrain bad habits. So I'll repeat that we got a lot of bad agencies out there. A lot of people voted those jackwads in office that made it that way.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, and you know and there's an officer down in Florida that's doing some amazing things. He's just created an app OffDuty. What's his full handle? Eric, which one OffDuty? Oh, nick OffDuty. Yeah, nick OffDuty has created this amazing app and it's already out in Florida. I believe it's also maybe in Georgia don't mind my words or Alabama, but this really helps the recruit or person wanting to be hired find an agency that's got good stars, if you will, and it also helps the agency find a decent officer that's not frigging, ballooning all over the frigging state, and I think that is one step, and this is coming from an officer that's created this.
Speaker 2:By the way, eric Reynolds is in the chat Keto 5-0,. Eric Reynolds, retired Boyd and Beasley brother of mine, he's, it's great at this. Yeah, by the way, eric reynolds is in the chat keto 50. Eric reynolds, uh, retired brother of mine's, good guy yeah, we've been. We've been trying to link up to get eric on the show with us get him on the show, yeah and you need to have him tell you about the shooting is involved in his life-changing experience for him yep, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Uh, we, me and um eric. Actually we were going to do our normal, like the the interview um podcast that I do, as we were going to do our normal, like the interview podcast that I do as well. We were going to just do an interview and then his internet connection was jacked up, because he does the camping stuff all the time.
Speaker 2:I'm all for that. Internet connection jacked up. He took a lame way out. He's like, oh, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so we tried to get him on and then it fell through and then we both got busy and you know how this shit goes. It's not that I would never have him on, he's always welcome and he knows that, and we actually plug his stuff on here quite a bit. By the way, get his mother on too, banning him from doing keto.
Speaker 2:I'm down 55 pounds from carnivore, down 55 pounds from from carnivore, that's January. Oh no For me, yeah.
Speaker 4:By the way.
Speaker 2:Eric mother's, june Hawkins. She's a retired Miami Dade police Sergeant, I believe, and she retired, she was working the cocaine cowboy days and Miami Dade in the homicide unit. She's a great, great story. Her and Eric, you both got to have on the show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Giving a shout out to Nick Off-Duty since we were talking about him and his app, that is. I think it's designed to get better, more qualified candidates in policing, so we definitely need to support him and what he's trying to do. I think that is crucial to getting the right people where they need to be and allowing departments to pick the cream of the crop. So that is what his app is doing. Make sure you guys give him some love out there. Nick Off Duty this is his YouTube channel that we got up here right now, but you can absolutely find him and his app over there. So let me stop sharing that. Let me go back. Show me the audits. Is on what's up? Show me audits. I disagree with the. You get the force you deserve, at least in my state. My city police force is controlled by a governor through board it points. We only have the mayor and mayor is off. One fifth.
Speaker 2:Mayor is up by the way, is the governor elected and mayor is off. One-fifth, by the way, is the governor elected and, by the way, is that governor elected and appoints political bureaucrats to run the department? Yeah, you get the force you deserve because that person's been voted into office.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, absolutely yeah. I'm not sure, man, I don't know For me. If you get force used on you, I'm not sure man, I don't know For me. If you get four shoes down, it's because of your actions. It has nothing to do with what's coming out of your mouth, unless you're telling me I'm going to shoot you and you start reaching for your hand. But it's still based on your actions, but a little more on what your words are. So if you tell me you're going to shoot me and then you start digging, we got problems.
Speaker 1:Uh, um, if you have corrupt this is from centurion tactical, which is still one of my favorite names uh, if you have a corrupt police department, you have a corrupt politicians above them. Yeah, yeah, you damn right. Look at, uh, new orleans. Enough said. New orleans was, oh, my god, especially during your heyday, john. That's why they have the consent decree over there and all that. They absolutely had bad stuff. K9tv said Keto, 503 Years, carnivore that's a commitment Three years. My problem is prepping. I would be keto all the time. I'll eat meat 24-7. I love it, but it's just a matter of prepping and having the food ready.
Speaker 6:Swing through Waterburger and ask for it. Three days are good.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 2:The first three days are the roughest. After that you're good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've done it. I did it for four months, I think, just because I wanted to see how I felt, see what it did to me. I see what it did to me I'm still in the military, John, I don't know if you know that. So I got to do like my PT test and all that stuff, and it happened to be during that time. So when I first started doing the carnivore thing, like my runtime, my pushups, my sit-ups, everything dipped really hard and so I got nervous. I was like, oh my God, is this maybe? But it was just my body adjusting. So once I got to that two-month window, everything started to go back up and it was getting better. Really, what it was is I wasn't eating enough, even though I felt like I was eating all the time. So that was the big thing with me on the carnivore diet.
Speaker 1:Mr Billfold said Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard and deserve to get it good and hard. Yeah, Mr Billfold is one of our, one of our big supporters and, John, one of the odd things that we do on here that most people don't is our big supporters. We'll give them a voice if they want it and we'll put them on the show with us and Mr Billfold is one of those that we've had on the show a couple times now and we let people get on here and talk and share their feelings and give their expertise and whatever it is. So it's kind of interesting. I think it makes it fun. Centurion Tactical said. The United States Air Force PT test equals joke. All right.
Speaker 2:All joke, alright, fuckers. Have you seen some of those Air Force people, especially the PJs, the power jumpers?
Speaker 6:they are no joke.
Speaker 2:They are no joke and they are physically fit. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll admit, there's the PJs and then there's security forces, which is way down here, and I'm security forces. Is that going?
Speaker 4:to drop at all, or is it going to stay up here?
Speaker 1:As I like to tell people I'm SF. Yeah, hey here's the thing though. Here's the thing though Centurion, if you're going to make jokes, you better served. That's the rule. You can't make fun of military If you haven't served.
Speaker 4:I'm sure he has with that name, but you never know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wolfie 92 said I thought the air force PT test was putting together office chair the fastest. Fuck you guys. You this, fuck you guys. You know what? I'm taking my show and I'm going home turning this off if y'all keep it up with eric.
Speaker 4:He's gonna take a nap, so I have to put that office together real quickly that's an air force nap, you fuckers.
Speaker 1:The carnivore diet's easy. Just get mcdonald's cheeseburgers. Yeah, I know, I like like in and out. I would go to in and out and do a man. Just do four patties with cheese and that was it. But loved it.
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Speaker 4:Keep it up, I'll be right back.
Speaker 1:All right, yeah, and my mom. So, john, my mom's on here, by the way, she never misses a show Good for her. And she said don't forget large water, eric. Yeah, I do not like large open water, so I am not going to be on any sort of Navy stuff or anything like that. Perry Lemley said Air Force PJs actually work with the Navy SEALs. Yes, they do. They are badass. Jim Miner in the house, give a shout out to him. He said Banning, I just started that diet.
Speaker 1:Ryan Holsinger, the US Air Force is generally considered to have the least physically demanding basic training and physical fitness requirements compared to other branches like the Army or Marines. You're not wrong. But what you're not mentioning is it has the highest intellectual standards that are out there. So no shade to our Navy intel guys too, because those guys are badass as well. But the Marines and the Army, y'all know you ain't got it, so I'm gonna talk shit while I can. Um, okay, uh, we're gonna wait for banning to get back. John, I'm gonna bring you back over here, okay, um, now your radio show. How long have you had that going?
Speaker 2:since march of 2017, uh, and we're actually on radio since october 2017. We've been growing, uh, pretty much every month, and the secret is I I tell radio stations is that we do for radio what investigation discovery channel does for television, uh, so it's people actually telling their story from their experience and about% to 30% of it is investigating crimes from those who've done it, the realities of it. The other 75% to 80% of my guests are talking about trauma. They went through how it impacted them and, most importantly, what they did to build their lives afterwards. And the trauma is often crime-based, but not always, and it's not always first responders military it's also military. It's victims military, it's also military. It's victims of crime. It's heart attack People lost a husband or spouse due to heart attack. So it covers the spectrum, but it's really. It's not preachy, it's not luxury, it's not experts, even though a lot of our guests are experts. It is about what they went through and that's been the secret to, I think, our success. It's providing a platform for them to tell their stories.
Speaker 1:Okay, now on your show, when you provide this platform and all of that, how does it differ from podcasting? For one, because I know you do the podcasting side, but you're syndicated radio, which is a totally different thing for me, because I don't. I personally don't. You've explained it to me and I kind of understood it once you told me, but I don't know that everybody else out there understands the difference between that syndicated radio and podcasting.
Speaker 2:The biggest difference is this. Number one we have a lot of listeners in the state of California. We have a lot of listeners in the state of Texas. We don't have that many in Pennsylvania. So if someone wants to come in and talk about Pennsylvania law, it's got very little appeal to people in California or Texas.
Speaker 2:So that's why we stick with personal experience and we stick with evergreen content. For example, the podcast version of the show I just released yesterday was on Sunday no, sunday, which was yesterday. I'm losing track of my days. It was a woman that she lost everything in Hurricane Katrina and it brought up a lot of, I want to say, lack of better words, repressed memories and how she built her life afterwards, including going back to school, getting her master's, getting her doctorate, writing a book, learning how to have better relationships all a result of this thing called Hurricane Katrina, where she says half a lake poncho train wound up in her living room. So there's a lot to be heard and take from the experience of other people. That's what I do with my show. So it's really about their story, it's not about their lectures and it's really not about here's two rules I have I don't do trials by media and we don't.
Speaker 2:We don't give any publicity to bad guys, period. We don't listen to name. We don't give their manifestos. We don't give any of that stuff. I don't, I refuse to do that. It's their stories. You tell your story, great, that's all that's required.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to destroy Centurion Tactical real quick because he fucked up right here. I was an Army MP instructor. Army is the proponent for LE in the DOD and that's why Air Force copy and paste, which that's how I'd expect an Army guy to spell army regs. Um, sir, I just want to put it out there that the air force has, since probably your time, uh, they have their own academy with their own set of instructions that are not a copy and paste of the army. And you know how. I know that because when you guys are on post you're not allowed to have a round in the chamber Air Force guys do.
Speaker 1:Just saying Mic drop, one of my best friends from growing up. He's an E9 in the Army and he's actually a badass. He's an airborne ranger and E9 is as high as you can go on the enlisted side. So you either get there because you're really good at politics or you're a war hero. He sucks at politics, so shout out to my buddy, uh, eric paz. But, um, all right, banning's back. All right, let's, uh, let's agree. Wolfie, I need to add stuff uh to it. It's not good. It's not good coffee. Um, all right, we're to get to the. We're an hour in and again, john, if you've got a jet at any time, please let us know.
Speaker 2:I'm going to walk my dog a little bit, but I want to see your first body cam video.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we typically we kind of go with the audience If they're still rocking and rolling and enjoying. We're probably sitting around a few hundred to a couple thousand right now, even though the way that Restream works it gets the numbers all messed up. So we've got quite a few people watching right now and so we just kind of go off of them. But yeah, so for those listening, if you've never seen what we do before on the Bodycam Reviews, we pull up Bodycam videos that most of us have never seen Hopefully none of us have never seen. If we have, we tell you we've seen it and we bow out and let the rest of us speak. But we will pretend that we're the officer in the call and then we go from there on how we would handle the call. So there's some pausing and some discussion with the audience, so you guys can ask questions, make statements and stuff like that, and we'll address them as we go.
Speaker 1:It's kind of a unique way to do it. So the first thing that we're going to do is we're going to give a shout out. I'm going to share the screen here Now. Eric won't talk shit about the Marines because he knows Bannon. No, Eric's never going to talk shit about the Marines because they're usually the first in and I fully admit that Now the Navy and the Air Force will soften the target for them to get in. But I'm not going to talk shit because we do it from miles away while you guys are up close and personal.
Speaker 10:Marines.
Speaker 1:Air Force has to have heroes and the Marines are it baby. So the Army are just like fucking asshole. Alright, let me. Let me share this screen here. Alright, we're going to give credit where credit is due Police Activity, where most of these videos are from tonight. We got some other videos that you guys sent in that are not from Police Activity, so we'll get to those in a little bit.
Speaker 1:I want john to be a part of the body cam review stuff. So, um, shout out to police activity youtube channel. They got 6.65 million subscribers. Uh, make sure you find them at police activity for youtube. Uh, all right, let's go to our first video here, share this and biggie size this screen. And okay, you guys know the deal. We haven't seen this and let's see what happens. This is a two and two minutes 51 second video. My brother broke into my house and threatened to kill me. I'm scared he'll do it before help can get here. St John's County, 911. What's your emergency? Alright, I'm going to pause it right away because this is the first time we've ever seen this format. This is new.
Speaker 4:This is that text 911.
Speaker 1:Yeah, text 911.
Speaker 3:This is different, it's been a standard for about a year and a half now All agencies had to accept it, so it's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is the first time I've actually seen it in action. Yeah, this is the first time I've actually seen it in action, so this is kind of cool. The victim said please don't have them come with their lights and sirens or their lights on, because I'm scared it'll hurt me.
Speaker 2:Dispatcher said we have units coming. That's it Right, there, it's bad. Yeah, that's it right there, it's bad. You got a trailer with a sign, hand-painted sign on the door.
Speaker 1:You know what's? Going downhill very quickly. Yeah, I don't mean to, uh, I don't mean to to judge, but that's not. I'm judging what I see right now. It's not going to go I'm not judging judging.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying it's obviously it's going to go south very quickly.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, this is looking. That is freaking nice. I'm going through the comments. The first thing Eric will do on Discord after the show is post a picture of him and Andy kissing. Oh, they're talking about the picture from last week. That's hilarious, oh shit. Okay, let's keep going here. Okay, so we've decided to make entry in the house. Why so? That's the question people are going to ask. John, I'll let you handle it First of all.
Speaker 2:Look, I understand the need for patrol rifles. I understand the need for all that stuff. Why were they armed at the door and hit it with a sledgehammer? Information that is not available, because something just doesn't add up right there.
Speaker 1:Well, from the text message she said that her brother was breaking into the house and she was scared that he was coming in to hurt her. So that could be.
Speaker 2:How many times have we had calls where they said, oh, so-and-so has a gun and a shot and it's a false, false call. They just get the police there faster. So you can't always go by what the 911, even what they tell the dispatcher, because that doesn't hold true often case. But why is that cop there with a rifle pointed at the door when we don't know what's on the side of the door? Number one, number two why are they hitting with a sledgehammer just based off of what the person said to 911, on whether it be text or otherwise?
Speaker 1:Right on the nose, baby. That's right what I was thinking too. I love it. Yeah, because you basically just made entering to somebody's home which is like that, that's their castle, and you went off of a text message. We don't, that could have been a disgruntled girlfriend, that ex-girlfriend that knows her, her, his girlfriend's in the house and you just made entry, so that could be an issue. Let's keep going.
Speaker 10:Justin, it's the sheriff's office. Come out with your hands up.
Speaker 1:Ooh, they're using first names. That's a sign this might be somebody they've dealt with before.
Speaker 3:I bet they've been to that house.
Speaker 1:House is a rough, you know, loose term.
Speaker 6:Justin, it's the sheriff's office. Come out now with your hands up. We know you're in there, Justin. Come out now with your hands up.
Speaker 4:We know you're in there we still have not had a visual on anyone yet.
Speaker 1:Justin, come out now. Okay, so me, if this is my call, I need to know where my victim is. That's going to be my big concern. Where's my victim? I'm going to be yelling for her. Hey, if you're Sandra, I'm just making up a name. Sandra, if you're in there, say something. Let us know you're there. I need to know that you're okay. Bannon, you got anything on this?
Speaker 4:No, I'm tracking right along with you. Same turn of phone. Okay, let's just keep going. He's talking back.
Speaker 1:Basically they can hear him.
Speaker 2:There he goes. He's squirreled in the back. We can. We can take this room right here good communication.
Speaker 1:I like that he's got eyes on. You know I'm not necessarily agreeing with knocking the door open. They may have more information that we don't know, so I'll put that caveat out there. There may be more info that we weren't privy to on, uh, police activity. So um tim ten dollars says he's a has a wife beater on oh shit, okay, I I'm not gonna take that bet because that's you're probably right.
Speaker 7:So all right, let's keep going justin, it's the sheriff's office, come out okay, you're gonna come out now with your hands up.
Speaker 1:So he just offered to let the women out so they can go about their business. Alan, you got anything on that?
Speaker 3:Right now you're going to treat everybody the same, like you know, uh, trying to figure out you know who the caller was, because they could be just pulling you there to the scene.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're. We're in a weird spot right now. Everybody for me, every single person that gets pulled out, it's going to probably be, you know, cuffed and detained and checked real quick while we figure it out. Um, steve wallace in the house, I always like giving steve a shout out never misses an episode. Um, I don't think steve's ever missed one, but let's keep going here yes, you are.
Speaker 10:Let me see your hands, justin, let me see your hands.
Speaker 6:He's going back back door, back door, back door. Hey, let me see your fight.
Speaker 1:He's got a knife good communication again by this officer. He's saying everything, he's seeing calm voice, he's not yelling and hyper excited. I'm liking, john. You got anything to add on this?
Speaker 2:yeah, I I'm not liking the way this whole thing's going down. I feel like there's a lot that we're missing out on. But here's where the verbal judo, from my experience, would come in, and I like the communication, but he is not being assertive with that guy. He's letting the guy call the shots, and you need to let this guy know if he's armed with a knife, the next step you make, you're going to get plugged. Yeah, and you've got to let them know in no uncertain terms that this is a line you do not cross.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't disagree with that, because the argument that you make is that a reasonable and prudent person wouldn't just go arm themselves with a knife. Now, if I'm going to be fair and objective, you just went into somebody's house without a warrant, right? So I say he's got every right to be armed, so we've got that Banning. You agree with that?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean just the cold castle law. Unless you know, this is a beat officer that's well-versed with his family. If it's unfortunately a repeat call house, he may have some some inside knowledge. They may have been able to catch up on some case notes and saw some pictures of people involved and whatnot. Hopefully they're doing their due diligence on the way to call to get as much information as they can, yeah, I'm, I'm, I, I'm a big constitutionalist when it comes to my home.
Speaker 1:I do not like entering a home based off of a text. You know and I think that's what john was kind of getting to there as well like don't, it's got, it's got, uh, it's got tainted, written all over it for getting in this home based on a text. But again, we there's a lot of information we may not have, so let's, let's just keep going all right, get on the ground.
Speaker 6:Get on the ground, justin get on the ground, he's gonna get hit again.
Speaker 1:Okay, now background came out.
Speaker 1:I saw the, the, the red um sling um. I don't like the not announcing it, because what we can get is sympathetic fire when we hear a gunshot if we're amped up. Now I think this officer that's talking is acting very calm. I think he knows what he's doing, but we have seen too many videos of people being super amped up and if you get somebody that comes in with a taser or with a less than lethal bean bag round or whatever and they fire around without announcing it, it can create sympathetic fire where somebody just starts shooting their gun because they think that there's a threat that somebody else saw that they didn't. So we've got to be careful. This guy didn't announce it. Get down, I'm going to scoot over. Don't put your Justin hey.
Speaker 10:Justin, do not.
Speaker 6:Get down, justin Get down, justin get on the ground.
Speaker 1:I don't like the crossfire they just created there.
Speaker 3:That's one of those. That's what I was about to speak to. Is that's one of those things? When you respond to these situations, is you get in one of those? Uh, we all know what. You know how this layout of a mobile home is going to be, and trying to get multiple officers in there and not be on top of each other, plus all the stuff they have in there. Uh, it's, it's yeah, no word.
Speaker 1:Salad um said you know, swatting. That's basically what this call is. It's a swatting call, and that's one of the things that you gotta watch out for. So yeah, sparky, sparky was like crossfire. Yeah, that was bad crossfire. That's where the communication needs to come in as well.
Speaker 3:So now I will say that's the one nice thing with having a rifle on scene. Where you can, you know you have a better shot, than yeah, just agree the back door you're about to get now, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I I'm just going to hold my taser out outside of a door that I've got no eyes on the person. I see Banning's eyes. It's funny, banning, we've worked together so long. Now I can read your eyes watching the video. Come on, buddy, speak it. Tell me.
Speaker 4:Man, it just it just furiates me. You know we're going to be communicating on the way to the call. If it's a decently trained department. You know if somebody's going less lethal, that's going to be known. You know if you're going to switch from lethal to less lethal, which in a lot of cases I don't know why we're doing that, but it's going to be known, it's going to be communicated. Just, you know as well as I do, especially when the X-26 came off, it almost sounded like a shot and that sympathetic fire. I got a felony traffic stop or whatever and they're bringing them back. Unfortunately, this caused sympathetic fire at many agencies because of the training. You know it's. It starts. It starts from the training officer down these and it's. But this, you know, standing outside that back door with a frigging less lethal like that, uh, that's just, you're just begging for it, man, and that's training. It's not on that officer, it's on the training of the agency. And I'm not saying the agency is horrible, but in this it just doesn't look great.
Speaker 1:Sparky brings up a good point here. The problem with the long gun is the overpenetration with the sheet metal and the wood paneling. 100%. That round's going to keep going because when it goes through a body of a person just keeps going, it doesn't stop. So he's he's not wrong.
Speaker 4:um, the benefit is we're out in the sticks, so yeah and I'm gonna, I'm gonna speak on that just for one second the, the, the long, the long guns. Unfortunately, with, with the officers I know across the country, which is just just like john and you, it's, it's, it's quite a few there's some agencies that aren't checking after they leave the reins and they're going out running on the street with FMJs, full metal jacket, you know, frigging rounds, not knowing, and then they get into a situation like this and if it's in a big trailer park, you miss your intended target. That's going to go through 10 or 12 walls before it comes to a stop, destroying everything in its freaking path. So to those departments, make sure your guys are getting their duty ammo back in those mags before they hit the street.
Speaker 1:Absolutely all right let's keep going here all right. What is your what? What is your view of this guy right now from your experience? Just looking at him and his behavior, what are you thinking? Who's going to go first?
Speaker 2:I'll jump in here, this guy. He's showing signs of submission. However, he's got a hand that's secreted. I'd be very concerned about what's in that hand, Until he is down flat on his stomach with his hands out. Do not take. Do not take your head off the swivel. That's still a threat.
Speaker 1:He seems doped up to me. That's the point I was getting to. I and I agree with you about his hands, but to me, the way his eyes are, I'm going to go back just slightly. We'll go back a few seconds. Just his demeanor when he comes around this corner seems dopey. You're about to get tamed Lay down.
Speaker 6:Lay down on his stomach, you'll get tamed.
Speaker 1:Wobbly head.
Speaker 6:Big screener.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right, my bad. There it goes. I'm going to go back just a little bit.
Speaker 6:Keep your hands. What's your hand? Lay them down on his stomach. You'll get paid. The eye, keep your hands.
Speaker 10:Put your hands out in front of you.
Speaker 8:Hey guys, just hold them. We got it, I got it.
Speaker 6:Put your hands behind your back Stand up. Thank you.
Speaker 3:I don't like how nonchalant they are. They already talked about other people being in that residence.
Speaker 1:Hey, what do you know?
Speaker 4:Nobody got shot. Read the details on that, Eric, just so we have a little bit more knowledge on it.
Speaker 1:Let me get to that St Augustine, Florida, which isn't that like the oldest city in the United.
Speaker 6:States, yep.
Speaker 1:During the early morning hours of June 28, 2025, st John's County deputies responded to the disturbance at a residence in St Augustine. A male subject, later identified as 35-year-old Justin Troy Locke, had forced entry into the home armed himself with a machete, attempted to set the home on fire and began threatening the victim. The victim feared for her life and utilized text to 911, so the suspect would not hear her talking to the dispatchers. Responding deputies made entry into the home and utilized a 40-millimeter less lethal launcher to effectively end the confrontation and take Locke into custody. He was charged with attempted arson, assault, burglary and resisting a law enforcement officer with violence.
Speaker 1:St John's County Sheriff's Office shared a reminder that texting 911 is an option in situations where a person can't make the call, so it was never addressed about them making entry or anything like that, sparky said. I'm curious did they use their RTCC during the text to 911? I'm going to imagine they did not. Text to 911 is typically for the dispatchers and not for. It's not that the real-time crime center probably monitored and was trying to tap in through their body cameras to help as best they could, but probably not a lot for them to do. So yeah, good video.
Speaker 1:Uh all right, we're uh, we're going to go to another video, john, if you're still interested. It's fun, isn't it? It's fun, I like, uh, I like doing it. All right, let me share the screen. All right, that's's biggie size, alright, this one is 5 minutes 56 seconds long and again, it is from Police Activity. Shout out to Police Activity. We are using their videos. Credit to them. Alright, wolfie92. Thanks for showing up, buddy. Oh, I like. They gave the little audio thing. All right, I'll just stop it here and say we got no audio, so we don't know what's being said, but the officers are apparently trying to make contact with this person and he's immediately turning and taking a fighting stance. He's not cooperating. I can tell you that right now. Banning. You got anything to add? Nope, all right, I figured that would be pretty easy. Still got 10 more seconds. All right, now, your boys. Oh, he pushed the officer to the ground.
Speaker 6:Okay, we're talking.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's reaching into his pocket. What is in your hand, what you mean? What's in my hand?
Speaker 9:What you on your hand, what you on your hand, put it down, put it down, things Put it down Now.
Speaker 1:Put it down. Yep, okay, things have changed drastically. What do you think, john?
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, I'm going to go back and I'm old school so they started losing control when they played that pity pat smack hands thing. If a guy shows me that he's going into a bladed position, makes his hand and fist, he don't have to say nothing, I'm going to nail him.
Speaker 3:John, you just made.
Speaker 6:Eric so happy.
Speaker 2:If he tells me he's going to hit me, I'm going to nail him as hard as I can and I'm going to make sure he does not get back up. Everything after that point should never have happened. Yes.
Speaker 2:He was clearly. When you looked at him walking away, you could see that part of his hoodie was weighted down. Yep, there was something in there. So this whole philosophy of use of force use of force never looks good. Physical use of going hands-on never looks good. It's like sausage. People love it, love it, but no one see it being made. If you've got to hit someone, you've got to use force. Do it. Get it over with as quickly as possible. Be devastating, be quick and get it done. Get the guy cuffed, then retrieve the gun. Now it's uh, it's a free for all-all. The guy's got distance, he's got a gun. It doesn't look good at all.
Speaker 1:Yep, and this is part of the thing that I preach all the time on this show is that if you handle business up front, what's the worst that happens? We beat the shit out of this guy. He gets some lumps. Okay, doesn't look good, but as soon as we pull that gun out of his hoodie guess what he is? He's alive with some lumps. That's right because we handled business up front because of his behavior. But what we got, and what I see, is a very unconfident officer that hesitated because he wasn't confident in his training and because he hesitated, now we're going to get a higher use of force because he pussyfooted around. And now this is what we're going to get and I have never seen this video, but I can tell you right now this guy's probably going to get shot and it didn't need to happen.
Speaker 1:But it happened because we had a pussified officer and he didn't. I think there's two of them there when you went to go hands on. I'm sorry, guys, a use of force is a use of force. It doesn't matter if you flick somebody in the forehead or you punch them in the face. In the eyes of the court, it's a use of force. It doesn't matter how hard or how vicious it is, it's all the same. You already went hands-on. You've used force. Take him down and handle fucking business. Now we're probably going to have a dead person because you were a sissy.
Speaker 4:That's right. Or or a dead civilian, Somebody that's got no involvement with this rampant ground. You could have ended this earlier period.
Speaker 1:And this is where I get upset. This is why I preach BJJ or whatever I I'm a BJJ fan. I think that's the best thing for cops. Just personal opinion. But let's say you're a Sambo guy, a wrestling guy, whatever it is. Either way, take this motherfucker to the ground, control him, don't allow him to get into his hoodie. You chose this profession. When you choose this profession, you take it seriously. And if you don't take it seriously, this is the results. So and again, I haven't seen this, but let's, let's, let's find out what happens. A fucking shooting range. It never should have happened. Never should have happened number one.
Speaker 2:The top's got no cover, it's got doesn't even concealment. Cop's got no cover. He's got, doesn't even concealment, he's got nothing. He's in a wide open and he let this guy get distance from him. If he controlled, took care of this, if he controlled the hands to begin with, this never would have escalated to use a deadly force. He'd never be in this position of no, no concealment, no cover, nothing. That would never happen.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, john, I just want to let you know everybody on my following, our following here, that was wondering about you. You just confirmed they like you, I promise you with that statement alone. So yeah, eye of the Night said I mean it was a catch-up feature. They turned on the body cam body-worn camera late. Should have been on much earlier. Yeah, you're not wrong, they should have been on. The thing is this was a call and you guys know my stance on body cams. Your camera needs to be turned on the moment you accept the call, not the moment you arrive on scene, not the moment that you see the guy you think's involved. It needs to be punched on the moment you accept the call. If you want to get closer to the call and then turn it on as you accept it, I'm okay with that because you may have a 10-minute drive. I don't expect you to keep your body camera on for 10 minutes of nothingness for you to arrive.
Speaker 4:I turn the son of a bitch on the moment that you accept the call and don't go ahead, benny, I'm just gonna say, man, I know jay's gonna leave soon, but just to add to this, you know, and and jay I think you, we spoke about it before I was in canine for almost 10 years of my career and for us to go out and a lot of great agencies good agencies that want good dogs, when we go out to get a dual-purpose canine dog for whatever application you're going to use it for, dual-purpose usually stands for a patrol dog, one that can engage physically with somebody, and then narcotics and tracking, evidential recovery, et cetera. We put the dog through a fear test. Why are we not doing this with people in the academy? Think about that. I mean, we put the dog through a true fear test in a bite suit, sometimes hidden sleeve suit, and if your dog fails to engage based off of fear, it doesn't make the cut for the street. And that goes for these rookie frigging officers in the academy. Blessings to them for wanting to go to the academy and to serve their frigging communities that they love and that they live in, or whatever. But if you can't cut the mustard on fear out, there we've got these COVID babies.
Speaker 4:I could go and talk for hours the one that, don't that? Don't frigging actually take a DT defensive tactics class? They're learning it on YouTube and their state agency is approving this and allowing them to go to an FTO phase and be hired somewhere. And they've never even arrested another adult person. No, you have no business being on the frigging street and this shit right here. If you're taking the top and that person your, your frigging partner needs to be on legs. Get him to the friggin ground. Shame on you for getting in the shoes Right I'm sure they're great people but shame on you for getting the shooting. And where does it start? Start to the chief. Let's make sure we have prepared people truly serving our community out there. I'm sorry, but it just pisses me off sometimes unnecessary.
Speaker 1:It didn't have to get this far. Um so, constitution, country girl, uh, news said are all those shots necessary? Now? This is my thing. I, I think, yes, you, you shoot until you see the threat go down. One of the big differences and this is country girl, I have a feeling you're a shooter as it is. So I want you to consider this.
Speaker 1:When you're out and you're shooting a target, whether it's a steel target or it's a paper target, we have instant reaction, or instant what's the word I'm looking for? You see it. You see that you shot the paper target. You see, or hear that you shot the steel target. You know that you hit your target. So you're getting that instant feedback. When you shoot a body with a person or a shirt on or anything like that, you can't see the rounds go in. You can't see anything other than their reaction to it and hoping that you're hitting them. So you, basically, you're waiting until they go down, and in this, that's exactly what you just saw is they just fired until the guy went to the ground. And that's the difference between shooting at the range and shooting in real life is you don't.
Speaker 4:You don't get that feedback that you normally are used to in the range, because you'll if you're giving your officers 50 rounds and a target every year saying you got a score 80 on this, 90, 100, even if it's 100, and you're shooting paper and that's the only thing you're doing. Shame on you. You're going to get an incident like this. Where did the first three or four rounds go?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Not on target.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying. I mean, where did they go? Hopefully they got that figured out. We don't have to be injured.
Speaker 1:Yes, African blog. Instant confirmation. That's exactly what I was looking for. Confirmation, yeah, you're. You're doing these confirmation checks constantly and I, I catch myself doing it during you know, um, qualifications. Uh, I'll bust out. You know you're gonna get two rounds in three seconds, reload three rounds, four seconds. And so I'm like bam, bam and I'm looking real quick Just to see did I hit it? Did I fucking hit the target? You know, know, you can't help it. You just, it's a, it's a bad training habit, I've got it. And so in the street you don't get that same thing. Sparky as two said.
Speaker 1:Um, the first question I always ask new hires have you ever been in a fight? I actually had a person say, yes, I had a cosplay sword fight. Ah, that's great. Yeah, that's a common thing. I, I, I've been with you on that as an instructor. Uh, I was an Academy instructor for three years and I remember in my own Academy classes I would say 50 to 60% had been in a real fight, raised their hand and been in a real fight, and I'm going to guarantee that when John went through, it was probably closer to 70 to 80% had been in a real fight, if not more. And then you talk today. You're lucky if you got one or two out of an academy class of 50 or more that have ever been in a real fight.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:John, has that been your experience?
Speaker 2:Number one. It's it's the real fight is one thing Uh, it's the old saying is they've ever been punched in the nose. If you've never been punched in the nose, you know it's survivable and you can make it through it. It's going to hurt like hell. Your eyes on tear up. Everything is going to happen. But I was going to add in really quickly before I left. I was in one of my last shootings. I was in is revolver days.
Speaker 2:It was with a guy who did a armed robbery, murder, stole the victim's Corvette, was coming down the street shooting at me with a 45, hit my police car head on. We had a running gunfight and the first four rounds. I didn't know if I shot Duxer flying by or if I shot him. I had no idea. I was in the middle of the street, he was trying to reload and he was having difficulty. I ran up and tackled him and took him down and it was forceful. But the reason he was having difficulty is I shot him in the wrist. I didn't know it. So of the four rounds, if the guy's still active, you keep on firing. If you need to, you reload and you keep on firing until the threat is over with. That's the reality of what it's like on the street and, by the way, banning made a great point Paper targets don't shoot back at you. They're not running, you're not running. All that stuff's not happening. We could talk about the range all day long. It's not like real life. It's nothing like real life.
Speaker 1:And that brings me to Magdum's point when he said but far too many officers are lacking in ability, they don't get the practice in. I train moving targets, me moving from the draw, et cetera. You have to train that way and I agree 100%. Now one of the things I would love to brag about. I'll say it I got to run.
Speaker 1:You got to run, john. All right, man, no-transcript movie, I fucking love it. Red dots, everything. So, um, I'm with you, magnum, that's absolutely what needs to be trained. But most of the time, what are they doing? They're shooting a static target from a static position and getting their qualification in with the minimal amount of rounds possible to save money. And it's just. It's sad, because some departments are just set up for failure. They don't have the money. Um, I'm glad it seems like a lot of people really like john, so that makes me happy. I even warned John before we got going, guys, I told him I said hey, man, our audience is different.
Speaker 4:It's not an echo chamber. Our audience is the real United. States. It's the audience.
Speaker 1:Yes, and so I know John's page. So if you guys do go listen to his channel and all that stuff, guys, it is, it's pro law enforcement. I just don't want that to dissuade you. Here's one of the things I wanted to point out is you just heard John being him real self and telling you how he polices and all that stuff. But if you go to his page and you're like, oh, it's a bootlicker page, you know that's not true now because you gave him a chance on here to hear how he really is and what he does. But his show is just it's just happens to be pro law enforcement, about good stories about law enforcement. So don't hold that type of thing against people because you think they're cops planning or they're doing whatever. You just heard an old school motherfucker get on here and tell you exactly all the same shit. I mean he went and tackled the guy that shot at him.
Speaker 4:that should say enough after slamming into his freaking cruiser and stolen freaking corvette you know, this guy's like jerry worms.
Speaker 1:This on right now. You need to also train when your guns jam. Trains are clear, train and clear to get back in the fight. Absolutely so I love it. Get back in the fight Absolutely so I love it. Tim in the background Guys, I want to give a shout-out to my mods tonight. They are killing it. Tim is on here, Marine Blood's on here. I think we've even got even though he's not a mod Mr Billfold I think he is out there helping out as well. Thank you, guys. I really appreciate all you guys' help in the background. It does not go unnoticed and I am working currently to get you guys rewarded. So I want you guys to know that I'm working on something in the background to try to get you guys compensated for your help as a thank you from me. Not that you guys did it to get any rewards I know you didn't. You did it because you believe in what we're doing. So that's just me wanting to get you guys something so working on it.
Speaker 1:But, uh, all right, I want to get. Um, let me see I I really don't think there's any need to watch the rest of this video. Um, so I want to get to some of the videos that they sent us, especially the one and I've seen. I think you guys have seen this one too, so I just want to talk about it.
Speaker 1:The paralyzed guy yeah, so I'm going to pull up that one. This one's going to be a shout-out to the civil rights attorney or the civil rights lawyer, so I'm going to share. Stop sharing, damn it. Hold on a second banning share. Okay, now it's biggie, says this one. All right, here we go now let's in texas.
Speaker 12:One is 100 blind and the other is a paraplegic. Cops pull them over and order them out of the car.
Speaker 7:Step out for me, sir, I do not consent to a search.
Speaker 10:This is unlawful.
Speaker 7:All right, I need you to get out of the car, sir, I cannot.
Speaker 11:I do not have a fucking wheelchair, you idiot. My legs do not work.
Speaker 12:One can't see and one can't walk. So what did the cops do?
Speaker 7:Okay, well, can't see and one can't walk. So what did the cops do? Okay, well then we're gonna search the car with you sitting in it. That's illegal, sir. No, no, it's not, sir.
Speaker 1:Odor of marijuana is probable cause for research all right, let me first by starting out by saying if homeboy can't see, which you can clearly tell your boy is blind and your other boy can't walk, I don't care what you self-medicate with, I don't give a fuck. Yep, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 4:That's when you start being thankful for what you have, that's a fucking thank you, thank you, thank you, and then slide on to something else that freaking counts.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, this shit right here, oh my God, that was the first thing across my fucking mind. These guys have a hard enough life. Now I get it. You gotta do a little due diligence. Make sure you're bullshitting about being paralyzed. I don't know how you're gonna do that, but I'd be like really, bro, you're paralyzed, like for real, and you know. He'd be like, yeah, my wheelchair's in the back, whatever it is. However, you're gonna confirm it, but at the same time you can kind of read the room girls instantly in the back, pissed. He can't fucking walk and he can't see like all right, so get the fuck out of here. How in the fuck I'm gonna get mad banning. You know what take I'm right there with you man.
Speaker 3:Take over with your new room, I think it's one of those things that you just got to understand. You can see when somebody's paralyzed how they hold themselves. Actually, funny story, my son actually was in a pursuit not too long ago and the passenger was paralyzed, so he's like trying to order him out Can be a part of crime.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he's like trying to call him out of the vehicle. And then he finally realized oh crap, I've got to sit with this dude in the car until somebody comes to help me, right, yeah, you, you, you do your job like you normally do, and but you have to be able to adapt and change with the situation, and that's definitely one of those where you have to go. Oh crap, I'm screwing this up Like right the dude can't walk.
Speaker 1:What movie are we talking about here?
Speaker 4:I don't know, see ward here you see no evil.
Speaker 1:Here no evil classic oh yeah that went over my head. I was like what movie are we talking about? I get what you're saying. Now, yeah, fuck, yeah, bro, this infuriates me, infuriates me, infuriates me. So I'm just this is a longer video, guys, we're not going to watch the whole thing, but I just I don't know, and again I don't want to jump all over civil rights video I don't have the full raw body cam.
Speaker 11:So Okay, then you're going to have to get the fuck out of the car dude, then get out of the car.
Speaker 7:I'm asking you to get out of the car, sir he cannot. He doesn't have a wheelchair, sir he cannot.
Speaker 1:Please, sir, good for this guy too. By the way, I would have land fished right away. Oh, you want me out of the car? Fuck it, just head dive out.
Speaker 4:All dive out, Alright motherfucker pick me up.
Speaker 1:Yep, I would have hated it for everything it's worth. I'd have been like pick me up, bitch. What an asshole. He cannot walk.
Speaker 7:He cannot walk, please. Okay, do not crawl out into the.
Speaker 9:You did this. Y'all told me to get out of the vehicle. I told y'all I did not have my wheelchair, I have no use of my legs.
Speaker 7:Well, if you're gonna crawl, crawl yourself over that way, unfucking.
Speaker 1:Believe me, I'm fucking real. Fired, fired.
Speaker 4:What fired immediately fuck you eric, what do you know? Did you catch? What agency? This?
Speaker 1:was Not yet, I'm sure.
Speaker 4:We got a smart crowd out there. Somebody send me a Discord message on what agency this is. Somebody said it's in Texas.
Speaker 1:Are you fucking serious Crawl on a situation that you just created over the odor of marijuana? Holy shit, watch out, we've got the biggest criminal in the world.
Speaker 4:He's got a freaking. This is the head of the cartel. He just stopped for crying out loud Come on Unreal.
Speaker 1:Unreal, I don't have another fucking word for it. Unreal, I just can't fathom it. I cannot fathom this seems like a skit to me.
Speaker 4:Oh, I got another word for it, but we wouldn't be able to broadcast anymore. So let's just continue.
Speaker 1:Country girl, she's like it gets worse. I know I've seen it. I'm just as mad now as I was the first time I watched it. So unbelievable, sir. I don't want to step on his stuff, so I'm going to All right. So two digital marketers walk into a coffee shop.
Speaker 12:One orders a blend of search and social. The other orders this okay, there's an insane amount of for off the market best friends, one that is. I'm really just walking up to this small town just taking them hunting and fishing. So the script almost writes itself here this small town, terrible police department ends up pulling over these two best the cab the call part of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, texas is huge y'all. So banning and and alan, I actually lean on youtube because you're native. So well, banning's pretty much a native. You've been here a long time.
Speaker 12:Um, all right, let's keep going friends, the paralyzed guy and the blind guy over a license plate light.
Speaker 1:So from the beginning, I didn't know that part over a license plate light. Oh my god, unbelievable.
Speaker 3:I want to punch him it's in. Bowie County up near Texarkana I want to punch him in the throat.
Speaker 1:I want to punch him in the throat. I want to punch him in the throat. Banning.
Speaker 4:Population was 59. I want to punch him in the throat, Banning. Population was 59.
Speaker 1:I want to punch him in the throat. I've never wanted to throat punch somebody so hard in my life. I'm sorry, I'm so. I've watched it, but I never got the explanation of what it was for. I did not know it was for a license.
Speaker 3:And then they smelled weed.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's what we're talking about Watch out the devil's lettuce. We got some fucking trained killers out here.
Speaker 12:Must be cartel. It was a fishing expedition. This is where it begins, with the officers walking up to this Cadillac with these two best friends inside.
Speaker 1:A Cadillac with a trailer hitch, by the way, Just saying that's always comical to me a car with a trailer hitch. But let's keep going.
Speaker 12:Adorable dog that will actually play a central role in what is?
Speaker 1:Oh my God, freeman, watch your mouth. He goes. The cops previously shot the blind guy in the face, so you know he loves cops. Shut up, what an asshole. That's funny, though I'll give you that. Oh my God, all right, let's keep going. I'm so angry.
Speaker 12:It happened.
Speaker 1:Wait, mr Bill Fogel. This is why people hate police. This is a department wide issue. Yeah, all four of them. Yeah, all four of them. Yeah, all four of them. Mr millfold, uh, goddamn, we need to get eric a youtube subscription eventually, guys, we're getting there.
Speaker 3:mama g, eric speech I'm trying to put it up there too. Stop clicking shit.
Speaker 1:I got it. I got it, I got it. Eric speeches First time. I've seen that. That probably is the first time on here. Son of a bitch, oh my God. We just need to be legalized. That's part of the problem. Just needs to be. It's already legal in so many States it's so. It's one of the reasons why I don't enforce it. T Ward said that Caddy still has a working North Star engine in it. We need to get Ward on the show. He would be great. I think he would be great for sure. Alright, let's keep going.
Speaker 3:Are there hand controls Like how the hell is he pressing the gas?
Speaker 1:No, it did look like he had a little bit of control over his legs, because they were shaking when he got them out. Maybe he can shift his body. Maybe, he's got just enough to where he could do that. I don't know.
Speaker 10:So, rick, please stop, I'm not going to tag you.
Speaker 7:I'm going to do the same thing you guys did. No, I wouldn't have got an injury. Can I pet the dog? Yeah, she won't bite, will she?
Speaker 12:You like her. No, he's super sweet yes sir, he's sweet. He's old. So what happens here is a dirty trick that we are witnessing While officer number one is talking to the driver on the other side of the car, officer number two goes around to the rear passenger side of the vehicle where this woman has this adorable dog, and he taps on the window and he pretends to be interested in the dog and want to talk.
Speaker 1:All right, I don't like this part about civil rights because I would have done this. I'm like, oh, can I pet your dog? Because I fucking love dogs Absolutely. It's not my stop, I'm letting my partner control the stop. So, yeah, if I can have a conversation and just be chill and keep everybody calm on my side, I would. That's what I would do. It's not a trick, it's just because that's what I would do. So I disagree with them here. Don't and I know we're not trying to do the civil rights page Like that's not what we're intended to do. We're trying to use just the body cam footage because I don't want him getting mad that we're sharing his stuff and I don't want him to think that we or anything.
Speaker 12:I love him. I wish he would be on our show. So if you see this civil rights lawyer, I love you, I love you. I think you're awesome. I just disagree with you here. Talk about the dog and pet the dog, but it's all a ruse he's trying to fabric. Circuit has long held that if officers smell marijuana coming from inside the vehicle, they have probable cause to then search the vehicle, including any bags or containers inside the vehicle. But what?
Speaker 1:if, like here, the officers say they smelled Skipping ahead. Ah, okay, question Introducing the filters. If I do get a subscription, does it stop that? Yes, it does. Okay, for sure, yep, 100%, we'll see. I just guys, I got so many subscriptions for all this shit. You don't know, you have no idea how many subscriptions I have. Oh, I got so many, um so many, that we had to like get rid of tv channels at the house because we just had too many coming in for the podcast anyway.
Speaker 7:All right, let's keep going really poor guy I got two pits, yeah, and I'm so happy their ears weren't clipped. They got floppy ear, big old floppy.
Speaker 8:We have a few floppy ones, but I was like with them being clipped. He's never had any ear issues, yeah.
Speaker 7:They're always super clean. We, I have to my male. I have a male and a female. The male he'll let you clean his, He'll let you clip his nails. My female I got to hold her down and sit on her. Sit on her. Yeah, she don't like it, she don't want it done, and I've actually had to take her to the groomers and have to put her, put her in the little sling.
Speaker 1:Um, and I'm the same with him. Like I got a doberman, I didn't let him get his ears clipped, like I'm like. That's why I don't believe, like what the civil rights attorney was saying, our civil rights lawyer, whatever he calls himself like. That's why I don't agree with what he's saying here. Like this is a genuine conversation and this guy is he's being legit. I think he really just likes dogs. And the fact that he was even thinking about the ears that way, like I'm the same way. This is the exact conversation line I probably would have had. So, um, freeman key said no joke, the reason that man was blind, it was the police shooting him in that face. True, oh, fuck me. Really, I thought you guys were joking.
Speaker 4:They've commented that four or five times already.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, this is a movie I feel like a hundred times more worse. Jesus, oh my god, this poor guy. He has no clue that an officer's got a fucking flashlight in his face either. Jeez, oh, oh my god. Oh my god, all right, holy fuck, I mean, I'm not even gonna finish that sentence like unbelievable okay thing to clip her nails.
Speaker 7:Yeah, she ain't letting you do it. No, she's not aggressive.
Speaker 6:She's saying well, she's ain't going to allow it, Don't do it. Yeah, I mean I don't, I don't blame you, okay.
Speaker 10:I'll go. What was your name? Jackie Jackson.
Speaker 1:J-A-C-O-B. I'll tell you what I'm going and face this guy in the chair. Can you send me pictures?
Speaker 7:of the insurance on the cadillac, where y'all headed where are we going?
Speaker 12:obviously the other thing he's doing is he's asking her questions which many people might see as just small talk and have this compulsion to answer these questions, but which are really being asked as part of an investigation to make some sort of criminal case against you or to form the basis.
Speaker 1:He's not wrong there, not wrong at all. We do ask those type of questions, and it is the purpose behind them is to try to find out if there's anything afoot. Alan, you got anything. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3:yeah that's what we do is have conversations and talk to people like humans, but not, oh shit, everybody's like get youtube premium.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay. Message received. Fuckers, I'll get it. Jeez, oh pete. Thank you, jerry, I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Yes, okay, okay, all right. Damn, I can't argue with that. This is the first time you guys ever came at me like that about it. I didn't, okay, marine bloods. Are you sick of surprise ads during stream? Donate, cover the cost of this link.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, uh okay don't forget, don't uh make sure you go and like and share here on.
Speaker 1:YouTube, do all that stuff, okay. So yeah, I agree with him here. Yeah, when we ask questions, they're probing questions for stuff like that. When you hear that stuff, the stuff about the dog, though, no, that's not probing and that wasn't to soften her up to ask questions. That's just striking up conversation rather than stand there and look awkward.
Speaker 3:Well, and I will say, I want to know if that dog's going to be aggressive, if I have to do something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and that's a good indicator. That's not. You're not wrong there. So, um, geez, old Pete's guys, I appreciate it. Listen, stop donating to YouTube y'all. I appreciate it. Listen, stop donating to YouTube y'all. Only half of your money is getting to us. Send it to what that buy me a cup of coffee link was right there. If you guys send to that one, I appreciate it. I'm not bitching at all, but I know you guys want your money to go exactly where you want it to go. You don't want it to go to YouTube. Click that link. Do that link to buy me a cup of coffee or buy me a coffee thing. Um, that will actually get more of your money directly to what you're trying to get it to go to. And I promise on the next live stream we'll have the YouTube thing. I'm going to make sure your money goes there.
Speaker 12:So, thank you very much, Um, but let's keep going to search you or arrest you or the basis to detain you for an extended period of time to extend the fishing expedition? Are police officers allowed to do that? Yeah, basically, but you also don't have to answer at a traffic stop. There is no general requirement to answer police questions beyond basic identification.
Speaker 2:I want to lie over 8 000 men have permanently broken free from the P word by watching one single video.
Speaker 3:One thing I'll say there is like you've got to treat every traffic. Stop the same. I actually have found dope and a child's diaper.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I found him in car seats, you know, in a transported you gotta.
Speaker 3:You know you may not look good when we're out there and we're having to have the adult change their. I didn't change the diaper, but they took the diaper off and there was dope inside of it. But so at the end of the day, there's certain things we have to do In this situation. This is all bullshit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for me, I don't care if you're pablo escobar. My boy is paralyzed and my other guy's blind. And come to find out freeman keys, thank you. He's blind because of cops. Jesus christ, that's jesus guys. Holy shit, oh all we get out of banning Jesus guys. Holy shit, oh, all we get out of Banny.
Speaker 4:I just, you know, I just get pissed off when I see stupid shit like this. I know.
Speaker 1:So, oh shit, tim, want zero ads. Want to listen to Eric and his hate for YouTube ads? Join our Discord.
Speaker 4:We have zero ads there speaking of which, I'm sure we'll go on to discord after the show you ain't lying.
Speaker 1:I'll probably just keep my happy ass right in this chair and keep fucking going. So, um, all right, let's, uh, let's keep going marijuana in here?
Speaker 7:no sir, okay, I'm smelling marijuana, are we sure ain't?
Speaker 8:nobody got none on. Yeah, no, I don't have any, okay.
Speaker 7:Okay, I'm smelling some. Are we? We're 100 sure the dog.
Speaker 1:The one thing that is an indicator, and this is an indicator for me. So y'all listening see how she never looked at the officer while she's trying to say there's no weed in here, like again, I don't give a fuck, I don't care, my man can't, can't walk and my other man can't see I'm walking. All right, bro. Oh, that was a bad joke. I didn't mean that to be a joke. Um, I'm leaving. That's fucked up. I didn't mean it that way. I promise I'm leaving. All right, man. Hey, your license plate light needs to be illuminated. That's why I pulled you over. Get it fixed. Have a good night. Boom, I'm out. So I'm out from that. However, the way she is doing this, that's bad. Don't do that. Most people, when they're trying to be honest and truthful, they're going to look right at you and be like no, no, there is nothing in this car. Like that's a thing. What's Country Girl getting yelling at me about Bullshit? Most abused excuse to search. What are we talking? Oh, smell of marijuana. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6:I don't like it.
Speaker 1:I'm with you. I don't like it. I'm with you. I don't like it either. So let's keep going.
Speaker 11:Yes, sir, you can go in the window. We all consent to a search. No sir.
Speaker 7:Okay, I don't have my wheelchair with me, okay, well, here's the deal. The odor of marijuana is probably caused for a search, so I'm going to ask you to step out, okay.
Speaker 1:I gonna step out of that vehicle. He's not. He's not refusing to step out, he's telling you I can't fucking step, I'm paralyzed. That's there's a difference. There's a big difference. Look at that. Here's another thing anybody that's got a little bit of logic and reasoning, she instantly said he's paralyzed. And the other dude that is paralyzed is saying I can't, I'm paralyzed. They said at the same time it's not like they got their stories together and then like he's like well, I'm paralyzed, I can't walk. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, my buddy's paralyzed, he can't walk. That didn't happen.
Speaker 4:Little cop 101 banning I bet you the car's got a frigging disabled placard on it too, Our frigging tag. You know what I'm saying? It may not, but I mean that's an indicator there, you know? Just hello, Stop being fucking idiots.
Speaker 1:I'm not stepping anywhere, let alone out of the car. Jesus Christ, jesus Christ, oh man, it's going to be one of them nights Banning.
Speaker 3:Don't smile, don't do it.
Speaker 1:Mag dumps the fucking room. He's ruining the ending for people. Guess how much they find that's right. No Jesus, all right.
Speaker 7:Oh, all right, by the way, yeah, I made you smile, see, you did it.
Speaker 6:By the way. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I made you smile. See, you did it, I made that.
Speaker 3:I was a part of it, you were.
Speaker 1:You were girl you just keep looking pretty like you do. I'll bring you on the show as long as you keep looking pretty, Alan, or should I say Andy?
Speaker 7:All right, step out man pretty Alan, or should I say Andy. All right, Step out. Man. Hey, mate yeah.
Speaker 3:Hey, I actually have a comment on Instagram.
Speaker 1:Oh, you got a comment on Instagram. What do we got on Instagram?
Speaker 3:Yeah, could you tell him to come to the station so he could give you a wheelchair and so the officer conduct the search? I'm sorry. So if we were in this situation, could you have them go to the station where you could get a wheelchair or something, and then?
Speaker 1:sure you could, you could, but why would you? We don't need to, so are we still on instagram? Right now I thought it cut off after now it's, it's rolling.
Speaker 3:I thought it did too, but we're rolling and people are still bouncing around.
Speaker 1:I hope it's showing up nice, because that's the one thing.
Speaker 3:I started doing it a different way. Tonight I got it working a better way.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 3:Somehow I have an echo and I got to figure it out.
Speaker 1:I don't hear it for us, but I'm sorry you're dealing with that. All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 7:All right, step out Okay. Well, I'm not going to wind up. I'll help him out. Well, get your sergeant down here please sir no sir. Yes, sir no sir.
Speaker 8:Yes, sir, babe, start recording this. No, sir, you're not taking nobody out of this vehicle.
Speaker 7:Step out for me, sir. I do not consent to a search this is unlawful.
Speaker 12:Now, in case you were wondering why these two best friends seem like they are so distrustful of these members of the DeKalb Police Department, here's one good reason the blind man who is sitting in the front passenger seat. His name is Dallas Bruce, and the reason that he is blind is because 2017, he ends up getting shot in the face with a shotgun, and it was the DeKalb police department who waited like three hours before allowing this poor guy any medical treatment and then thereafter refused to investigate it as a crime.
Speaker 6:When I got shot, DCAB's the same police department that let me sit in the house for three hours, shot and didn't render aid. Somebody actually had the captain wouldn't let an officer come in there, so they let me sit in there for hours. So I already am uncomfortable with DCAB and don't trust you know I've always trusted college. After that, with DCAD and I went back to try to have it investigated and they basically told me I watch too much TV.
Speaker 1:I'm so mad. I'm heartbroken and I'm mad at the same time. I'm heartbroken and I'm mad at the same time, Especially for somebody to sit there and say I've always trusted police.
Speaker 3:That is Okay. So next question from Instagram is isn't asking someone to get out generally more dangerous than staying in the car?
Speaker 1:It depends. There's circumstances behind each one. Um, you got to kind of feel it out for what you got. I personally, I'm not a fan of getting anybody out until I get more people. So if I got a car that's packed, I got five, five people in a in a car and I've like, let's say, I see a gun, but I'm not letting on that. I see the gun, I'm not getting anybody out. I'm going to have more cops show up and I'm going to try to elongate this fucking stop and make conversation and try to keep it chill. I ain't having anybody come out until I got 10 officers there, however many it takes. Um, otherwise, no, I'm not getting them out, period. Uh, I may just write the ticket and cut them. It just depends on what I'm doing about anything, um, but no, I I'm not a fan of getting people out of the car banning. What about you?
Speaker 4:no, same here, same here. And I've worked, you know, in the last popo gig that I worked, so to speak, you know, damn near a thousand square miles and had one deputy on Sometimes. I was that deputy and I've had to have dispatch reenter a person because they had a warrant, because I had absolutely nobody come get me and I had five people in the car and there had five people in the car and there's nothing saying in the book anywhere that you can't do that. Not only did I. You know, at that time I was riding in a jacked up deputy car that didn't even have a cage and this guy had fighting tendencies, you know.
Speaker 4:So I had, because once you, that's how that works, when an officer runs it and then they confirm this dispatcher wasn't listening and confirmed on that warrant runs it, and then they confirm this dispatcher wasn't listening and confirmed on that warrant. And that once that war was confirmed and they told me it had confirmation, I told them you didn't, you didn't have a authorization to run that person for one for warrants, because I didn't ask for it, uh, to call the originating agency of whoever the ori is and have them re-enter that person because they're not going to jail right now and I did that as a safety call for everybody there was. It can be re-entered, especially on the class b warrant there was so tim just posted.
Speaker 1:Are you on instagram and don't want alan to read your comments? Join our discord and someone else will read them. And the discord thing is right there on the page. Guys. Um, from view on instagram for the driver it seems like it's clear escalation only good for officer, not citizen. But I understand your point, thank you.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, I for the getting out of the vehicle. I'm just again. It's a case by case basis. Most of the time, I would say 90% of the time. No, I'm not having them step out. There may be, there's always an outlier, guys, there's always an outlier. There's always a reason that I'm, and if I'm doing it for a said reason, I'm going to it's going to be articulated. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why I think that is. You know some people. You know, oh yeah, shout out to Ghostpatch. You know, oh yeah, shout out to Ghostpatch. Make sure you guys check us out at ghostpatchcustomscom. Type in 2cops1donut when you go to Ghostpatch, and then you will be able to see our flex badges like that, our real metal badges, our coins, our patches. They're all there. Make sure you guys check those out. And then I'm wearing my retro rifle tonight. I think Alan's wearing his retro rifle tonight. Let's get him on the. What are you wearing tonight? By the way, I don't look like.
Speaker 3:I don't remember it was. It came out last month. I don't remember the name of it, so it was sharks, Well it was shark week very recently, so that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, check out retro rifle big uh. Sponsor of the show. We love them, um, but uh, yeah. So yeah, getting people out of the car, I'm with you guys, I'm not, uh, I'm not a big fan of it, and usually the arguments to get them out just seem dumb, like I got him out of the car for my safety but now you just put yourself in a way that he could fight back better. I get it if you're trying to separate him from a weapon that you see that makes sense, but most of the time that's not the case. So what's Mama G saying? Eric, keep watching, it gets worse. I'm done, I'm done with it.
Speaker 1:We're already mad we already know it's not right. Everything about it's not right. I don't want to ruin my night.
Speaker 4:Yep Tim's already sent me the names involved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't want to ruin my night, so I'm going to go to another video that you guys shared. I think Mr Bill Fould sent this one in, so he's one of my favorite people ever, so I want to get his video up there.
Speaker 1:So, uh, oh, oh, yeah, oh yeah, um, okay, let's go to biggie size. About there we go. All right, let's see what he's got here. I like it. He's got his. Uh, what do you call them? Gloves the mechanic gloves? Got his mechanic gloves. That's a that Gloves. The mechanic gloves. Got his mechanic gloves. That's a. That's a police officer's cheap way of having gloves to wear. I like them.
Speaker 4:I still got four, or five cents.
Speaker 3:Always find them at AutoZone.
Speaker 4:They don't have my size, I got to order them.
Speaker 3:I'm sure you do, I'm not many. I'm sure not many people have your size, buddy.
Speaker 7:Do you guys have cowboys?
Speaker 5:I'm not gonna lie, I have not watched hey how we doing pretty good what we're doing. It is okay. Why do you have your gloves on? I always wear my gloves, okay, why you have a mask on?
Speaker 1:okay, fair, I I'm the same way. I put gloves on on every call guys. That's just from experience, because if I have to suddenly run after somebody, tackle somebody, help somebody, I I want gloves on, I don't want I'm.
Speaker 4:I'm just curious on why we're making context so far.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying, anyway, I was gonna say to me what if I were to guess? It looks like a first amendment auditor outside of a bank, because that looked like a bank, and people called because he's filming. So it sounds like it's what we got going on here do I not have the right to have a mask?
Speaker 5:absolutely. But what are you doing filming the bank? Cody High Roller's doing that Exactly what it seems like, for what Is there not a First Amendment?
Speaker 10:There is a.
Speaker 5:First Amendment.
Speaker 1:Oops, sorry.
Speaker 5:But you've got people concerned, so I'm just asking what you're doing.
Speaker 10:So my right to record as people concerned, uh-huh, so you enforce feelings, no.
Speaker 6:I'm just asking what you're doing.
Speaker 10:Why don't you enforce the?
Speaker 5:law.
Speaker 6:Get your hands out of your pockets Okay.
Speaker 10:Thank you, it's pretty cold.
Speaker 1:That's an ego thing right away. Are you shaking your head? What are you shaking your head for?
Speaker 4:What's the fuck Excuse my French what's the fucking reason for checking out with this dude? There's no reason. Drive by Yep. I see him Ain't breaking the law. I'm going to lunch.
Speaker 1:See ya, yep, easy, easy, peasy. Mag Dump said the chief and the lieutenant at DeKalb have resigned following that encounter. Oh shit, damn, you made the chief retire, quit.
Speaker 3:Well, it makes me wonder if they were the chief and lieutenant, Like that's a small enough department, small department.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right. I think we're down to two, two officers now from what I found earlier. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Um want to be early to the party before it gets big, and I mean huge, head over. Tim's on a roll tonight. Y'all is tim. Is tim's selling it?
Speaker 3:I love it. He's matching that beard. Baby, baby, oh shit.
Speaker 1:My butt hurts. Sorry, I got to change positions here. Okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 4:Alan reach over and give him some support. I understand.
Speaker 10:I don't have gloves like you, so you want some. No, I'm good. Okay, I like to have my hands up. You got any ID on?
Speaker 5:you. Why would I need that? I'm just wanting to find out who you are. You got a baskin.
Speaker 6:I can't see your face.
Speaker 5:Exactly. We're in public. You are, but you need to vacate in front of the bank.
Speaker 1:Where am I Do, I Do, I need to fucking leave in a public fucking sidewalk. I need to leave, I need to vacate.
Speaker 4:Okay, look at this, everybody February of 2025, 2025, and you still got a freaking retard with, with a, with a badge, and I'm gonna call him I don't care if I get you're gonna get it canceled because it is his freaking command staff that is failing that community. He's not receiving the right training no, for sure, this right.
Speaker 1:You know okay, all right, okay, let me Sure you know okay, all right, okay, let me, let me. Let me try to be in his shoes. Okay, hands out of the pockets. I'm making contact because we had a call about you because you're a white ninja outside of the bank. So I'm concerned about the great white ninja, and so, sir, I would actually argue that your hands being in your pockets is probably better for my safety, because a ninja's hands released could be bad for everybody.
Speaker 1:So oh, I'm sorry, I don't mean to make fun, I'm not trying to make light of this poor citizen situation, but this cop is out of control. Already we got the ID crack already he was like I need your ID, I need it now. Oh, I need a bump of ID. Oh, t-shirt, id T-shirt idea. I said ID T-shirt idea. I said ID T-shirt idea. We could have a bump of ID. It could be like a cocaine shirt. Read that question for me, alan.
Speaker 3:Okay, so off Instagram for the driver. Hold on For the driver. It seems like it's a clear escalation, not only good for the officer, not the citizen. Hold on For the driver. It seems like it's a clear escalation, not only good for the officer, not the citizen. But understand your point. Sorry, based off your reactions about the scenarios, assume you're not fans of the whole ICE scenarios. Snatching people's masks up, masked up. Snatching people's masks up.
Speaker 4:And so what that person's. You know there was a big thing I believe out on the West Coast and I could be wrong about federal officers, did you fall backwards in? Your chair. We're going to pretend like that never happened, okay. Oh, it happened my calf flexed and it hit the little release on my shack chair. Yes, release on my shack chair. Yes, this is a shack chair. It's big enough to be comfortable in.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a big and tall chair and it fell back. So, anyway, there was a lot of stuff on social media in reference to federal agents going to sack up whatever you want to call it undocumented or whatever and masks, and I don't know why they did it. I don't know why they you know, I've never seen them do that in the past, unless it was a special op, etc. But I believe that that's what that person is commenting yeah, um, wade lucero said hi or?
Speaker 1:I'm here looking for pictures of cops to sell to cartels.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, jesus, he's probably taking pictures of debit cards from out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he's zooming in on private information with his iphone. I mean, they're pretty good. But, um, ward, you got any of that sweet id on? You got a bump of id. I need a bump man. All right, let's keep going you're in lake ozark, missouri am I not on the public easement?
Speaker 10:you are, so why do I need to vacate the public?
Speaker 5:sidewalk because you've got people nervous and they're wanting to know what you're doing. Give me a lawful order. I am giving you a lawful order you need to you need to move the area, let me ask you, this Dude young man, I'm not going to play this game with you.
Speaker 1:Ego, a hundred percent Young man. He's right away. You're too young. You can't talk to me this way. I know more about the law than you. You can't do this, so un-fucking-real Eyes wide open, eric.
Speaker 1:I wanted to know how you guys would have acted in the last video when the guys needed to calf himself. I don't know what you mean. I wouldn't have ever told any of those people to get out of the car. Your dude was blind. I'm not asking him out of the car. Dude was paralyzed. I'm not asking him out of the car. They've got hard enough. Lives as it is. They want to smoke a little weed. I don't give a fuck, especially if I pull them over for their taillight being out or, I'm sorry, their license plate light being out. Don't give a fuck. So it wouldn't have happened. Um, tim, stop being a ninja auditor. Keep your hands in your pockets and head to our discord and show you, show us your id skills. Oh my god, tim, what. I think tim's been on some weed tonight. I think it was caught himself and he's he's right in a good window for himself. I love it. It's the weed man you're right.
Speaker 5:Okay, let's keep it I'm not gonna play this game with you. You're qualified immunity.
Speaker 10:You need to step you need to get started, you need to get the step. I'm asking you to pull out yourself it's actually you fucking with them.
Speaker 1:Pretty good, do you wave your qualified immunity? I mean, that's really what you're trying to do here, sir I'm thinking this officer probably didn't even know what that means.
Speaker 3:You know, this.
Speaker 4:This officer needs to get on the radio and say hey, dispatch, go ahead and send the city treasurer out here with a blank check.
Speaker 1:I've already done, fucked up. What's harrison asking me? Uh, did you watch the whole video? Yeah, yeah, I. I just didn't watch the the civil rights lawyer whole video version, but yes, I did watch it. I think you guys had shared it on the discord and I watched it then and I was severely upset and I just didn't want to comment because I wanted to share it on here. So now you guys know how I feel. If that's what you were wondering.
Speaker 10:I'm asking you to get your sergeant I don't have to get my sergeant. Get. Sergeant Meyer I don't have to do that. Get Sergeant Meyer. I'm asking you to get your sergeant. I don't have to get my sergeant. Get Sergeant Meyer, I don't have to do that.
Speaker 1:Get Sergeant Meyer. I'm asking you to get a sergeant here. You don't know the law, yeah, okay. So, to the cop's credit, this kid's wrong. You are not legally bound to get a supervisor, that's a policy issue. So he's wrong on that particular part here. For me, me, if it was me, I'm all about the supervisor stuff. Even as a supervisor, I told my guys hey, if they call me and you, if they want me out there, give me the option, let me know. I want to know and that's our policy anyway. But I will always make scene if I can make it. Sometimes you just can't. But um, but yeah. So what'd wade say? I'm going to need to see a copy of a credited police academy cert and employment agreement and a sworn statement. You're not on any Brady list, I think. I don't know if he's talking about Wade. Are you asking about me or are you asking about the?
Speaker 4:No, I think he's talking about the free loop of the body.
Speaker 3:I'm just curious um everybody, okay so here's a great question and I know uh this let us know, I'm asking both of you is this? You get this. How are you going to have the conversation with the mass ninja?
Speaker 1:I'm not let's. Let's get it clear right now if I get this call, I'm not making contact. I'm going to drive by, I'm going to park somewhere, I'm going to watch and observe for the next 10 minutes, if that, if you're lucky enough to get that, and I'm gonna go. He's on a public sidewalk. I don't give a fuck and I'm done and I'm out and I'm gonna take it to another level.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna. I'm gonna look in my, in my rms or mobile, whatever it is I have in my car, and I'm gonna to take it to another level. I'm going to. I'm going to look in my, in my RMS or mobile, whatever it is I have in my car, and I'm going to find the complainant's phone number. I'm going to give him a call. My body camera is going to be activated and I'm going to educate them, if they haven't been so already, on what is public, what is not. Don't call the police unless you need them, unless it's an emergency period. This what this gentleman is doing. I don't care what he looks like to you or how he makes you feel he's not breaking the law. I'm sitting here and looking at him. Have a great day.
Speaker 1:Hopefully you never call again unless it's an emergency and nice words, yeah this needs to be an educational call to the complainant, not to this guy. Or you guys will meet me, so I may actually and cody high roller, he's in listening right now. I did this to him. We actually got a call about cody. I didn't give a shit. I was like, well, I'm not gonna make contact with him as a call, I'm gonna make contact with him as a consensual encounter. And I probably would have done that with this guy and be like hey, man, just so you know people are calling about you, but I don't care, I'm not here for that. You mind talking to me?
Speaker 4:hey, well that's, oh, that's the what you just said right there, eric. Make it a conceptual encounter. Hey man, I gotta call on you, mind if we talk hey, do you pound sand? Cool, see you later. And then I'm gonna go call the complainant. He just exercised his right, we're done.
Speaker 1:And then there's nothing to freaking and then I'm gonna give him the best footage of his life of a cop that is knows his shit and I is confident in it, and be like, hey, dude, you're not violating anything. I just want to let you know that I'm gonna actually go make contact with the people calling about you and put them in their place. I'm gonna be respectful about it and I'm gonna let them know that what you're doing is constitutionally protected and making an educational thing all the way around. So whatever video he puts out, he just got a good impression from a cop and then whatever that person that called got, they got educated and they're not going to be a repeat caller, hopefully.
Speaker 4:Can we start finding out who these officers are and then send a nice envelope to that department with one of these in there and say with a link, you were just reviewed on our channel. We'd love to know your thoughts.
Speaker 7:Oh, that's a good fucking idea.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, did you guys hear that A Marine, a fucking Marine, had a good idea?
Speaker 4:Let me take my implant out. He's got that neural link.
Speaker 1:All right, new mission, mission, new mission. Motherfuckers, that's what's going down with two cops, one donut.
Speaker 4:Would you guys Like to sponsor a badge Each time we do this A ghost badge and once you do, when we review a video. We'll figure out the department. We'll send it to that public department. Address to Officer Schmuckatelli. Hey, we reviewed it. Here's a link to it video. We'll figure out the department. We'll send it to that public department. Address to officer schmuckatelli. Hey, we reviewed it. Here's a link to it. If you'd like to watch it. We'd love to have your comments. Oh, you didn't like it. Would you like to come on the show? Yeah, matter of fact, maybe we can go live with the same body cam you fucked up on and we can go on the show.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, um, I bro, holy shit. I think you just, I think you just expanded the nature of the show. I'm in, I fucking like it. And we could be wrong. That's the best part. We could be wrong and they could get on here and explain no, this is what we knew, this is what we did, this is why we did it. Oh, fuck, my bad, this is how we seen it, this is how the video appeared to us, but what you said makes sense, and then we'll explain, because we can be wrong. That's okay. It's okay to be wrong about these things. Mr Belfort said they won't show Sergeant Levine on it because it would be warm and fuzzy feels. But yeah, I agree with you and this is the one thing that I'm hoping that a lot of people that watch us understand is it's okay for us to be wrong.
Speaker 1:I I have been somebody called me out because and they actually were trying to call me out because I I jumped uh, mr billfold, shit about being hypocritical about something. I I don't even remember what the conversation was about, but I was like, not hypocritical, but he was calling me a hypocrite. I was saying that Mr Biffold, like he ignored this part, and then I got on something and I was commenting and the guy goes oh, you just jumped this other guy for ignoring a complete part and then you did the same thing. You're a hypocrite. I'm like listen, I put myself out there, I'm on social media, I am going to be a hypocrite, I promise you on that.
Speaker 1:It's going to happen, because how I feel in the moment on a video and I make a response, it could change a week down the road. And the reason why it could change is because you fuckers changed my mind on so many things all the time that I changed my stance. So, yeah, it's going to appear that I'm hypocritical at times. I'm okay with that, but understand that. That's just how life is. I don't have a rigid stance on anything. I get new information, shit changes is what it is, so you know. Can I add to it?
Speaker 4:Let's say we start. You know, because our, our everybody that is aligned with us and comes on the show every week they send a you. You have to agree with me. They sent us some amazing shit that we didn't even know that was out there Meaning on on on where people, human beings, fuck up. That's carrying a badge. If we get one that goes really well enough on the show and we send them the badge with the link and try to get their comment. If they don't comment, let's utilize that public space in front of their department, set up a podcast studio, pull a permit if we need to set out there and do a live show in front of that police department and ask people about what went viral online and what the, what the community's thoughts are on it and we can give them ours. Let's empower the community with a little bit of peer pressure and and frigging. Start fixing this groundwork and you know what do you call it? Ground roots or whatever and frigging, get the shit fixed.
Speaker 1:Yep, I love that Cody's still on. This is one of my favorite things. We've attracted first amendment auditors to the point where they they're supporting the show. I mean, how many cops can say that they've done that? I don't think there's a lot out there. I don't think there's any out there, to be honest. So, yeah, and Alan, uh, feel free when you get the Instagram comments and stuff and you want to just just jump on it, man.
Speaker 3:Um, I uh just trying different things to figure out how to use it and get it going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Cody Hiro said that's. The one thing I like about the show is maybe we get it wrong, but we're smart enough to get figured out and move forward in a positive direction. Absolutely um led billboard truck.
Speaker 3:They're trying to make me like long island auditor uh we ain't at that level so what's going on with what's the latest update with that? What? What have you heard lately on that?
Speaker 1:situation, oh, with long island audit. What I've heard is that Fahey has retired. Sounds like there's some sort of FBI pressure. The FBI is investigating. I think that his days are numbered when the FBI gets involved, because right now it is open season on corruption. That's what that whole Doge thing was. I don't care what your politics are, I don't give a fuck about that. Fbi is not dicking around, so they're gonna know here's my, here's my opinion.
Speaker 4:Okay, I can hashtag that at the death. I say that a lot. The dude doesn't deserve a retirement. You pull that kind of shit. You do not deserve a retirement and I don't care if the cops get pissed off at me for saying that. I can give a flying shit less. You do that kind of shit. You don't deserve your retirement. Chuck, you swore an oath. You broke your frigging oath when you did that. On all those incidents Done You're done. Welcome to Walmart, if they'll even hire you, whatever Flippin' burgers.
Speaker 1:Dude, you call it whatever flipping burgers, dude, you're done. I'm just this is what I like. Wade lucero I admit eric was a bit too much in the beginning, but getting better. The thing that I like, wade, is that you stuck around and you didn't just let one episode or one small part make your mind up. You. You sat there and you you grew through it with us and that's the thing with what we're doing. I guarantee everybody on this panel me especially I am not set in stone. I constantly change my mind about things all the time.
Speaker 1:Qualified immunity was a big one and mostly, admittedly, because I just didn't understand it. I didn't know what it was. I just knew it was a thing for cops that you know if you're trying to do the right thing and you fuck up, then it's there to protect you. That's how I knew it and that's the only way I knew it. But then I talked to guys like Mr Billfold and learned, like all these cops that have lost their qualified immunity, they didn't really up getting any financial loss later on, even when they, it's a hundred percent clear that they fucked up. So I have learned a lot through this show and that is one of the things that I like about it the most.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we also need to go ahead and raise money to get a new bar that's called punch a motherfucker in the face. I mean, if you get invited to that, yeah, so we're going to get a bar.
Speaker 1:We're going to call it what is it?
Speaker 6:Let me write it down. We need that big old punching bag in there too.
Speaker 3:And we have to serve steaks to the guys that we need to invite and buy on a steak.
Speaker 4:Well, we need that punching bag from that show what's it called Blacklist, where that bad guy always puts his enemy inside the punching bag, and he's just just freaking unloading on it.
Speaker 1:Man, sorry, I just wanted to see it you're, I wanted to see the letters, so it's uh, yeah, yeah, pam fit toiff, that's the bar name right there. Yeah, oh, shit, okay, all right, let's get back to this video. I want to see the white ninja and see how this ends.
Speaker 10:I know the law.
Speaker 5:You're a dangerous man 29 years I've been doing it.
Speaker 10:You got your gloves on. You're ready to put your hands on me? I'm not going to put my hands on you. My hands are on my vest. You gave me an unlawful order to vacate when I'm on a public sidewalk. You are on a public sidewalk, so why?
Speaker 5:would I need to leave?
Speaker 6:I'm giving you a lawful order that you need to vacate in front of the area.
Speaker 5:Young man, I'm not. Yeah, you're free to go, I'm free to stay.
Speaker 1:Damn, that was quick. He goes. I'm free to go, I'm free to stay. You're, sir. That was fucking cool. I'm gonna replay that. That was actually fucking fucking fast.
Speaker 6:I'm not, I can't even think that great that was good.
Speaker 1:Too many letters for a marine. If it was written in different color crayons, he'd be good when I'm on a public side.
Speaker 10:You are a public side, so why would I need to leave? I'm giving you a lawful order that you need to vacate. When I'm on a public sidewalk. You are on a public sidewalk, so why would I need to?
Speaker 5:leave. I'm giving you a lawful order that you need to vacate in front of the area. Young man? I'm not yeah you're free to go, I'm free to stay.
Speaker 1:God damn, that's quick. Am I free? He set him up too. That's a lawyer. Move right there Am.
Speaker 6:I free to go suck a dick bye.
Speaker 4:Oh man, that is so fucking funny, uh, craig holcomb hey, fair enough, I don't blame you. That's why I asked him to be on the show I don't think I have ever asked or stated to somebody. I've just given you a lawful order.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:That has never come out. I'm I, I give, I'm only going to tell somebody to do something because it's just, and if it isn't just, we go a different route. And I've never had anybody come back on it it's. I've had great trainers. I worked at great agents.
Speaker 3:Okay, I worked at a great agency that gave you my training. Hold on, wait a minute, man. Like you tell anybody to do anything.
Speaker 1:It's like I know and they fucking sit down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that ain't I'm over here, you know.
Speaker 1:Please put your hands behind your back right and he's like you know, you're standing there and you got a slingshot and the next guy comes up with an m240 and you're like well, of course, I am.
Speaker 4:I'm not a tough guy either, I'm very reasonable.
Speaker 6:He gets out his man hand and it's like.
Speaker 1:I know you fucking grizzly bear over here. Oh my God, I'm a teddy bear. What are you talking about?
Speaker 4:I am, I'm seriously the nicest. Everybody's like man. He looks mean.
Speaker 1:I am anything but you are a fucking war veteran.
Speaker 4:That's all I see every time, every time you know, just to bring this personal, every time I take my beautiful daughter, my wife, out to eat, we'll go, we we always travel.
Speaker 4:We always travel to eat because there's nothing to nothing to eat around here. So we'll go travel to eat at some mexican restaurant or chinese whatever. And my wife looks at me and she goes smile. I'm like why are you asking me to smile? She goes you look like you're about to freaking kill everybody and I'm just that's so. She's like you have a resting eye. She's like I love you to death, but you got a nice.
Speaker 4:I'm like, well, okay, there you go. She's like now you look more crazy. And I'm like, oh gosh, okay, there you go. She's like now you look more crazy. And I'm like, gosh, darn it, all right, whatever.
Speaker 1:Makes sense. I'm with her. I believe it. Oh shit, All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 5:You need to vacate the area. I'm not vacating. Yeah, you are. You can go with me then, so you're going to put your hands on me.
Speaker 10:So you're going to put your hands on me. I am. I asked you to put your hands on me.
Speaker 6:I'm not getting Sergeant Meyer.
Speaker 5:I've asked you to move. I've asked you to get Sergeant Meyer. I've asked you to move.
Speaker 7:I've asked you to get Sergeant Meyer Kid's eating it up. He knows he won.
Speaker 10:Hey, excuse me. He threw my phone down on the ground, guys. I sure did oh.
Speaker 4:I sure did?
Speaker 1:Oh, I sure did, and he owned it and he admits, it. Yeah, I sure fucking did, oh my.
Speaker 4:God.
Speaker 1:Tap another $1,500 on to that frigging six-year-old. I'm happy for this kid.
Speaker 4:I'm happy. What's the agency? Is this our first agency?
Speaker 7:we're going to it could be, it could be.
Speaker 1:Arkansas.
Speaker 3:Well, that makes sense.
Speaker 7:They don't have a pro team.
Speaker 1:If you don't have a pro sports team, odds are you got a lot of departments that are going to get in trouble.
Speaker 5:They're not as trained, Yep you good, yeah, I'm good, you my phone right there, I sure did.
Speaker 10:Why'd you do that? Hey, can you get my phone, sir? I'm asking you, do you not want to get Sergeant Meyer out here? No, I'll take you to him, why not?
Speaker 5:Even better, huh.
Speaker 10:You're going to unlock it. You're going to unlock it.
Speaker 1:Just curious, mr Belfold, is there a need for us to watch any more of this? I think we kind of got what we wanted out of it. I this I think we kind of got what we wanted out of it. I've got more videos lined up, but, um, if there's something really good, I wanted to uh, I want to make sure we hit that for you. Cody high roller said banning is a real good guy and has a great insight. I respect him so thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:Uh, cody I. I just I don't know if you're aware, but you have completely lost the ability to ever try to uh, to audit me again, because I probably will never be in the streets again, sir. So I got a new job, not a new. I'm at the same place, but I'm just in a position where I'm not on the streets anymore.
Speaker 4:So hey, throw uh perry lemley's second from the top comment up there. That's pretty fucking funny.
Speaker 1:Fucktardia run strong. I never heard that one. I like it.
Speaker 4:Perry's a good dude.
Speaker 1:There is 12 parts to constitutional law in Missouri. I think that's what you're saying. Yes, the supervisor. Oh, somebody's telling me to keep going.
Speaker 4:Yes, the supervisor shows up it says another what kind of body camera is this? Oh, is that not for free YouTube? Or this is the for?
Speaker 3:you sorry, I just shared my feelings. When he's you know, when he's deputy out there going to chase the big blue ox there.
Speaker 6:I love it.
Speaker 4:You're welcome, Danny. I love you. I may have to find some body camera footage to share.
Speaker 5:I'm not arresting you, I'm just detaining you.
Speaker 10:For what crime? For what crime? For what crime? Don't turn my phone on. Don't turn my phone on. That is my first. For what crime Don't turn my phone off? Don't turn my phone off. That is my first amendment to record. Do not turn my phone off. Do not turn my phone off.
Speaker 3:Do not. I think every time he says that it's another zero, Okay, we're done. No, how do I turn it off?
Speaker 10:He turned my phone off.
Speaker 5:How do I turn your phone off? Just throw it on.
Speaker 1:How did I turn your?
Speaker 5:phone off. You threw my phone on the ground. It doesn't get free entry, exactly.
Speaker 10:You threw my phone on the ground. Your phone is going up here. Okay, that's fine. I'm asking you to charge your mind right here. You're making a mistake.
Speaker 5:What's your name? I'm not telling you my name. Well, you're failing to identify yourself, so that's why you're getting.
Speaker 10:What crime have I?
Speaker 1:committed. You're Okay, so we've explained this before. But if you're new to the show, failure to identify is a secondary offense. They have to be under arrest for that to be a thing, or failure to identify can be for a lawful traffic stop, at least in the state of Texas.
Speaker 4:I want to go find the buffet that these two cops go eat at for free and be a fly on the wall after this stop.
Speaker 1:I guarantee it's a golden colon. I'm sorry, golden corral.
Speaker 4:You see how I handled that boy. You're going to remember me. That's the way it's going to be, man, sorry.
Speaker 3:Hey, cody, I'll talk about it. Eric, we actually watched another encounter that you put on the air, uh when eric wasn't involved, uh, of a bad situation we recorded and eric was not happy with it and he spoke to that individual.
Speaker 1:So yeah, leave it there. Only so much I can. You guys totally understand anything that involves where I work. You just can't do it on here. So I feel free. I can't stop y'all from doing it. I'm not going to share it because I can't personally be or put anything that involves my own agency. I just can't do it. I can't risk it. If you guys like what we're doing and how we're doing it, just know it'll involve every agency out there but my own. So that's how I keep doing this. So it's just part of policing. This is why this is so rare to get cops to do what we're doing, because there's a risk of being fired.
Speaker 1:So DTV in the house. Make sure you guys are checking out DTV. That is the extension of what we got going on with the new Matt Thornton show that we got coming out. We've been editing a lot of the new Matt Thornton stuff, so that's going to be coming out. We're flying to Arizona here in two weeks to film two pilot episodes for some other stuff. We got a lot of cool things coming around the corner with DTV. So, guys, make sure you check that out.
Speaker 1:I'm glad to see my buddy Chris jumped on to spread the DTV love. He said what? What Centurion Tactical said Missouri is a stop and identify state. However, individuals are not required to identify themselves if there's no reasonable suspicion. You're exactly right. That is what in a stop and ID state and I think we talked about this specifically with Colorado on one of the videos that we put out In a stop and ID state it doesn't mean you just get to stop whoever they have to be suspected of a crime. Get to stop whoever they have to be suspected of a crime. Standing out on a public sidewalk and filming. Good luck articulating the crime. What's the crime Doesn't count, so let's keep going Luke Sevenoy Miller.
Speaker 5:I got one detained 708.
Speaker 3:Miller, I got one detained. Look at the Oaks.
Speaker 1:He just said he got one detained. Did he tell that guy he was under arrest when he got him?
Speaker 3:He did 708 702. Is he calling his supervisor?
Speaker 4:now.
Speaker 5:He'll never answer his radio. He'll be cold, no good signal is moving through Good. Hey, can you come to Central Bank and see if you can identify this subject? He's been asking for you for the last five minutes.
Speaker 3:That's where you get frustrated, as a supervisor, Like you know, you better tell me all the facts so when I go to walk up to that car car I know why I'm really looking at this subject my guys yeah mag dump, I'm gonna push back on you a little bit, but I I have met frank face to face.
Speaker 1:We have talked. We've talked so many times. I really don't believe personally that he's garbage. I think he's a good dude. I really do think he does policing. Stand up, take it for what it is. You can either trust what you see out on the internet or you can trust in me and I won't blame you either way. But I know Banning's met him. I have met him. I've met him. I'm hoping.
Speaker 4:Frank has helped a lot of people off that camera that he would never even want to go back to retards. You know proclaim, he just helps people and it's uh. I understand why people don't like that. I understand you know the whole tyrancy on traffic stops and I I get that. I get both sides of it, but I know the guy yeah, I, I would highly recommend that you at least.
Speaker 1:You know I'm not going to change your mind, I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just telling you personally I don't agree with you guys and it's not the experience I've had, so, but I don't work with them either, so I'll put that out there. Marine Blood said Eric, you need to encourage the rest of the host to join discord. So yeah, I think they're all on there. Banning's on there. We're going to get we do need to get Trey, I believe. So yeah, we're going to get everybody on there. Everybody's going to have their own individual channels.
Speaker 3:Okay, I just lost Instagram at two hours and 35 minutes. That's not bad.
Speaker 1:Not too bad. At least they know where to go. Sorry, I was looking at a comment. I thought I saw, oh, mr Billelfort. He said he was not arrested, he was detained for failure to identify. Yeah, there you go, which I would argue that any reasonable person would believe that they're under arrest because they got handcuffed, put in the back of a car and told that that was because they didn't identify.
Speaker 7:That was pretty clear yeah. So I know his name.
Speaker 5:I just can't think of it right now gave him an awful order to move out in front of the bank. He's got people nervous and he's failing to identify himself.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I thought it was fucking America. I don't give a fuck how you feel. We just did feelings enforcement. I don't care that people feel nervous or whatever. Let them. Let them unfucking real. Oh my gosh, that's hard to get them to get.
Speaker 6:You guys are here. Looks like a supervisor's car.
Speaker 5:He's been screaming and hollering for you anyway, says he knows you. That's what he said. He won't take his mask down. He won't tell me who he is Is your buddy Kim on.
Speaker 10:It is Sergeant Myers. What am I doing to you? You know his. I'm familiar with him. I don't remember your name right off my head. What am I doing to you? Well, I'm familiar with him. I don't remember your name right off my head. What am I doing to cause? Well, he detained you for his investigation. He couldn't tell me what crime I committed.
Speaker 5:You failed to comply with the lawful order I done told you, I told you to get moving and I told you to identify yourself. What crime have I committed?
Speaker 10:I just told you, before you were here on this scene, what crime have I committed? None, okay. So why do I have to ID myself?
Speaker 5:Because I gave you a lawful order to do so, because I'm investigating on why you're standing out here in front of me.
Speaker 10:You cannot reasonably, you cannot articulate who a criminal can be.
Speaker 5:Okay, all right.
Speaker 10:All right, let me get the. He can't articulate who a criminal can be.
Speaker 5:Once you tell me who you are, you're going.
Speaker 10:That is the.
Speaker 5:I can figure his name out, because what he was doing he wasn't breaking any laws by being on the sidewalk and I asked him. I said hey, you've got people in here nervous. Would you mind stepping down the road for me? He goes am I on a public easement? And I'm like, yeah, he goes. Why is your fucking gloves on? I said I wear them all the time when I deal with people and he goes well, I ain't fucking moving. I said I'm giving you an order to get to stepping and identify yourself and pull your mask down. Fuck you, I ain't going to do that either. I said okay, if you're not going to identify yourself, you're going back in my car until you identify yourself. But he wasn't bringing any laws.
Speaker 1:So you just held him hostage to compel him to give you information you're not entitled to? Oh, you are so fucked You're done. Oh, my god, you just admitted to kidnapping Somebody, you fucking moron.
Speaker 4:You know what? I think we need to start having DA's on here. Yes, that's a good idea. I want to start having DA's, you know. I know there's a problem With that as well. Let's have them on here. Blind reaction my favorite part Is that he's trying to tell the story, he embellishes it.
Speaker 1:He embellished it, why you got your fucking gloves on and I'm like because I fucking do guy. He got all fucking New York for me, holy shit.
Speaker 3:I'm going to give this dude a free frigging coin to come to the bar for free there you go Banning's bar, you need to make sure not to do it in your county, sir, oh my God, you need to make sure not to do it in your county, sir.
Speaker 4:Oh, my God, oh God, I wouldn't be able to keep it stocked in this county.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to go there, so I'm not going to get on the sergeant's case yet. I'm really close. I want to see what he says.
Speaker 4:I'm very. The sergeant doesn't have enough to go on yet.
Speaker 1:And so I get what he's doing. He's trying to put the whole story together. He's doing his due diligence. I'm okay with the sergeant, so far.
Speaker 5:He's allowed to film all day long. Did they ever tell him to leave or anything? Or was he ever on? They're saying he was on the grass. Wolf's double checking.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter. Hey, they're saying he was on the grass. Wolf's double checking that's. It doesn't matter. The good question I like where the sergeant's head's at. He's asking was he on the property, was he asked to leave? Doesn't matter anymore, because the officer already said he saw him on the sidewalk. That's where he was at and he's totally allowed to film from there. He even said it out of his mouth, so he understands the guy hasn't committed an offense. And he said you ain't committed no offense. So sorry, that's my Southern. You guys know him from Michigan, so it's very hard for me to do a Southern accent.
Speaker 5:Hey boy Bro. He was on this portion of the grass that's technically theirs. That portion's not. When I got here, he was standing on the sidewalk filming which he's allowed to do.
Speaker 11:But I got here he was standing on the sidewalk filming, which he's allowed to do, when I got him in the back of my car does he not watch, but he says, he knows you.
Speaker 8:Well, he's done some video requests before he's. I know I can get his name. I know that we haven't been a reporter to you. I just can't think of it right off.
Speaker 1:I'm going to disagree with you right now, white boy. So far he's trying to get the story together. Give him some time. I don't think he's had enough time to get the whole thing yet, but we're real close. I'm with you. We're real close, but not yet.
Speaker 5:Wolf did a traffic stop on him here a while back, but he's trying to find his name and he can't find it. Of course he locked it Once he tells me his name.
Speaker 10:It's free to go. I've got his name.
Speaker 5:If there's no crime on their end, okay, okay, I'm waiting for wolf to come back, and then we probably need to want to know if they're going to want to trespass him from here you can't.
Speaker 1:You can't trespass him. He wasn't on the property when he was there. When the officer saw him, he was not on property. You cannot trespass him. This is, this is a very, very I would say. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is 75 officers think that you can. You can do this. I don't know why this is so fucked up across the board. The only people that really seem to understand trespassing are big cities. Uh, these smaller areas. They, because they've gotten challenged.
Speaker 1:that's the yeah and they get it all the time. These other places, like you, do not have what he needs to be on property. He needs to be told to leave and afforded the ability to leave and then refuse to leave and when the cops get there then they can go. Okay, we're going to trespass him. When you got there, he was on public sidewalk. He was not trespassing you. When you got there, he was on public sidewalk, he was not trespassing you can't trespass. I mean you can't compel him to stay or ID to give him a trespass warning, which is a civil thing. A trespass warning is a civil issue. A criminal trespass is now, they're under arrest. There's a difference.
Speaker 1:Whatever financial woes this gentleman oh yeah, I was just talking, I was just getting him. Yes, andy, you're right, they do it all the time, all the time I this is one of my biggest stances that I will hold the line on that. Cops, keep fucking this up, up at egregious rates, egregious.
Speaker 3:Cody, they've never been challenged.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're right, I think that's part of the problem is that nobody set it up.
Speaker 4:Why are we still doing check the box for frigging state tests to become a peace officer? Why are we not doing scenario based to where a state auditor, if you will, tester, comes out views and writes his or her notes on something? How did he deal with constitutional based scenarios?
Speaker 3:Cause we can't. We still can't have the conversation when we're interviewing them. If they can actually talk to somebody before we even get to the academy, yeah, can you just have a damn conversation?
Speaker 1:Andy Fletcher said Jeff Gray works in big cities all the time and they still pull that crap. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist in the big cities, it's just less likely, very less likely. And then I will say when it does happen, I bet it's older officers. A lot of times it's the older officers that fall for that.
Speaker 5:But I'm not going to play the game coming back every 20 minutes either. Well, if he ain't on their property, then he's not trespassing. No, I know that, but I'm just saying I mean on their end, before we kick him.
Speaker 10:I did not curse at him at all. He said I said fuck you, and I did not curse at him at all.
Speaker 5:That might just be a figure. I always talk like that. I did not curse at you. I always talk like that. I always talk like that.
Speaker 10:But regardless.
Speaker 5:I gave you it. We're not going to over-talk each other, we're not going to over-talk, okay.
Speaker 4:Shut your frigging officer up and take charge of the scene.
Speaker 1:I like the sergeant said let me talk to him. I'm good with that and I honestly okay, I'm going to give kudos to this officer for owning that. He had said that he cursed and he's like no, that's just how I talk. I do that personally. I drop F-bombs in stuff all the time, and that's not. I'm not trying to quote that person, it's just me kind of recalling. So I'm going to give a little latitude on this particular part. So don't destroy me in the fucking comments. I'm not backing this officer by any means. I just I kind of understand what he's saying, so let's keep going.
Speaker 1:Let me talk to him Before we get too far, because everybody's jumping on mr billfold's bandwagon that they're they're not going to get paid and that they do get paid. Listen, my experience is that these people get paid out on a settlement before it ever goes anywhere, all the time, all the time. That's my personal experience, so I can't speak for what you guys know and what you hear and what you've researched, but I can tell you in my 19 years that stuff like this would get paid out within three months before it goes anywhere because it's so egregious, and I've seen it over and over and over and over again. So when you guys say that, that quit saying that. No, I'm not going to fucking quit saying it. The reason why is because my experience is much different than yours. I see it all the time, all the time, lots of money.
Speaker 3:So you know, added to part of the conversation you said a minute ago is you know some of the older cops and things like that. So this guy's been an officer for 29 years. That means he started being an officer in 1996. What was the law enforcement world like in 1996 versus today?
Speaker 3:You know, and I'm not even, and I'm not saying you know, not trying to be a bootlicker here and I'm not saying you know, not trying to be a bootlicker here. What I'm trying to say is you know, some of these agencies have not done a good job in training and moving themselves forward and continuing to grow with how we need to improve and grow.
Speaker 10:And they're stuck in doing the same things they've always done.
Speaker 8:Yep, they're not going to do anything about it. They don't want him trespassed or anything. Then why did they call? I don't know. They said that they had customers coming in and coming to the drive-thru in coming on the call lines saying that they tell us manning, I see it yeah, he didn't break any laws because he was on the sidewalk right and and saying that they were pointing.
Speaker 8:He was pointing at him, harassing them and and just doing all sorts of things, just basically pointing a camera and pointing out. Okay, so he hasn't done anything aside from not identifying. Yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 1:Not illegal.
Speaker 4:Bottom line when somebody calls you still as a peace officer, must run it through your head. Does a reasonable and prudent person state that somebody broke the law in their mentality? We don't have that here. You can investigate further. If we have what they thought is breaking the law, and you can investigate further. You do not have that here. Am I seeing this wrong from everything we're?
Speaker 1:hearing? No, not at all Okay, so let's keep that Okay.
Speaker 5:As soon as Meyer gets done, I'll cut him loose and we'll just play the game. Every 20 minutes we'll be back dealing with him.
Speaker 3:No, he's staying in the freaking vehicle.
Speaker 10:We're making sure there's no criminal offense that was committed before we got here at the bank.
Speaker 5:And there wasn't so.
Speaker 10:They called us, but he put me in custody because I was not moving. That's a detainment. He had an investigation to do here at the bank. I'm telling you, y'all, messed up, y'all messed up, extremely bad. You always say that to us. I've not always said it to you. I've only had one interaction with you. I've not always said it to you, I've only had one interaction with you, but but every time we've dealt with you, first patch my side.
Speaker 10:I'd have my seatbelt on when I in fact did on camera, okay, so look. So he couldn't get my ID and identify me, so he doesn't know my name. Now you don't know my name because you don't remember the public record placed on us man I just don't remember.
Speaker 10:right off the top of my head, he doesn't know my name because I never gave my name and or ID, because I have not committed a crime. Okay, and that may be the case. Okay, and that may be the case. Okay, so why am I still in cuffs? Because we are still in investigation of this. We were called here for this, Okay. So how long am I going to sit back here? I'm going to talk to him. He went in to talk to them and we're going to figure this out. Give me another minute. Is his body cam on? Yes, it is. Don't mute yours and don't mute yours. Do?
Speaker 5:not mute. You don't have to show him that shit.
Speaker 10:Is there a crime here? No, are they wanting trespass? They don't want trespass, they got nothing. Okay, I'm telling you, you messed up. Put your hands on me like that and I'm on a public easement. I broke no law, couldn't articulate any kind of law that I've broken, and you cut me a handcuff.
Speaker 5:I sure did.
Speaker 10:He messed my shoulder up, so I need medical attention.
Speaker 6:Well you're going to be free to go.
Speaker 8:No, I need medical attention because he done messed my shoulder up.
Speaker 10:Look how he's handling me. Just let him get the cuffs off. I'm relaxing, I'm relaxing. Look how he's handling me All right, you're bullshitting a little bit.
Speaker 4:when I need medicals, he is but you got to agree with me on three stripes, on this he's asking for five. Oh, you have to yeah, absolutely yeah, you get that ambulance down there and you get that part cleared up right now he wants to be transported. 100%, I'm with you. Yeah, get that MD on there, get the radiographer on there, get it and frigging figure it out. Period, just where we cover our bases as a supervisor, even if we got some frigging retard working for us. 100%.
Speaker 1:I'm with you there. I'm just calling bullshit that you have any medical issues. You're doing it because you know you've got them by the balls, which okay, props to you, brother, I get. I get it milking for all they got because you fucking got them. But we all know you're full of shit right now. So I'm gonna call bullshit on both sides when I see it that's bullshit. So yeah, absolutely, um, yeah, I I'm with you.
Speaker 10:Let's see she gets the cuffs on. No, I need medical attention. I can't even feel my hand.
Speaker 6:I can't even feel my hand, here you go, here's your shit.
Speaker 10:I need an ambulance man. He's calling for one. What am I doing wrong? You put me on their club, on their property now. I have not stepped on their property at all you're free to go but I've always been free to go and I was free to stay. You wasn't. You were detained until he could investigate what? Crime have I committed? That's why he was investigating. What crime have I committed? That's what he was investigating. What crime?
Speaker 1:have I committed? Alright, I'm going to stop it because it's driving me insane as it is, but um, okay, I think we're all in agreement Majorly fucked up. Um, what state is that in?
Speaker 3:Missouri, missouri, lake of the Ozarks Right.
Speaker 1:There's really no even description on this. I'm looking at it so yeah, that could be a good first one for Banning's Bar.
Speaker 3:Mama G's coming after you, Banning. Whatever?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're using the R word. You're going to get a strike on Facebook or on.
Speaker 4:YouTube. Here's my disclaimer on that. I'm speaking on uneducated law enforcement officers and it's not anything to do with whatever people are thinking. That is bad on my part for what I was taught. Don't be like this guy because he screwed up and if that's a strike I take it and I own it, but it's got nothing to do with any, you're gonna get us actual strikes on youtube that's the and that's not what I'm, obviously not what I'm trying to do, but these freaking, uh, so called. It hasn't happened yet from that.
Speaker 1:So that's the good thing. Um, somebody said play a good video, that was a good video. What Somebody said play a good video, that was a good video. What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4:Hey, talk for two seconds. I'm going to tell my daughter tonight.
Speaker 1:One, two, three, four, I've got another video queued up, so I'm just going to start it without him. All right, alan, let's see what we got here. A little cul-de-sac. You know what's funny about Arizona? Everything looks like this, everything, yep, everything looks like this in Arizona. I don't understand Police department. Everything looks like this in Arizona.
Speaker 3:I don't understand Police Department, they're all the same.
Speaker 1:Holy shit. Holy shit. Holy shit, you don't know your boy, just oh it's.
Speaker 2:Albuquerque.
Speaker 1:Your boy just jumped out with a freaking gun and pointed it at him. What the fuck, jesus, I don't, I would have already shot him. I would have already shot him. I don't even know what the fuck's going on. I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 3:In his face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't believe he hasn't shot this guy yet. Okay, um, all right, let's see.
Speaker 9:Let's keep going put it down, you're gonna get shot. Put it down, put it down, put it down, put your hands up, put your hands up, put your hands up.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm okay with this so far, jesus, I don't even know what the fuck. Oh, they said big.
Speaker 3:I thought it was big. It was, that's as big as it gets guys. I think they just wanted to say it Like a drink.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jeez old Pete, I wonder what the call was there, shots fired, shots fired, rolling your stomach uh, steve wallace said mama said it was a toy. That shit happened so quick. I don't give a fuck if it's a toy or not it it says.
Speaker 3:The title says it yeah something more you know but I like, like we always say we're watching this as we don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1:Somebody walks out of a door like that he did good and getting behind the pillar trying to get his gun out like like goddamn, I, I don't care who you like, I can't't take that chance. I'm, I don't like. Yeah, that's bad all around. I feel bad for this guy. Um, if it is a fake gun, but what the fuck are you supposed to do? You have a right to defend yourself. And if you're a clearly you know distinguished police officer with your uniform and all that stuff, and you're coming up knocking on the door and then somebody comes out just pointing a gun, yeah, and he was very open, like he wasn't trying to hide behind the pillars, sneak up on the house like yeah I like again.
Speaker 1:You guys know I'm all for holding cops accountable, but I can't really blame this guy for it right reacting the way he did and he even tried to. Not he went around the pillow. He could have shot a lot sooner than he did and he didn't do it. And even if the mom goes, it's a toy, it's a toy, I don't care. I can't take that chance. I can't take that chance, yeah.
Speaker 3:And he was aggressive at coming to you. It's not like he was hiding inside the doorway and so you weren't getting a good physical look at it. You know, and uh, I mean you you clearly could see it in your face.
Speaker 1:He says it looks like a special needs person, and I'm not disagreeing with you now that I've had time to process it, but we don't have that luxury when we're on the call. I can't process all that at the same. I can tell you right now, if I see a gun I ain't focused on another motherfucking thing except that gun I'm not taking in all the rest of the stuff that we're able to sit back in our chairs and monday morning quarterback from a couch what we're seeing right now so you got to remember this is on scene. That what's? That's what makes it so fucking hard. Yeah, so let's keep going with it.
Speaker 9:Roll on your stomach. You think life is a joke. Roll on your stomach, you're fucking stupid. Roll on your stomach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the end of it. I mean I'm curious what ended up happening, so I'm going to read it. Albuquerque, new Mexico, july 4th. Oh, this is on the 4th of July 2025. Albuquerque police were called to a house 2100 block of whatever, responding to a call by a 21-year-old who asked him to help with a family dispute and that his brother had a gun the day before. So we're already coming out there thinking about a weapon. As Officer Sanchez approached the house and announced twice I'm sorry I was letting the police officer Baldinato opened the front door and pointed what appeared to be a handgun at Sanchez, thought the weapon turned out to be an air or the weapon Believing it to be real threat.
Speaker 1:He fired three rounds, striking Baldinato in the arm, leg and abdomen.
Speaker 3:Before you talk about it again, eric show Banning Let him view it real quick. I want to get his opinion. He hasn't seen it.
Speaker 1:Ready Banning Yep.
Speaker 3:It happens quickly, sir.
Speaker 9:Police department happens quickly, sir, police department. Okay, please put it down, put it down, put it down, put it down, put it down, put it down. You're gonna get shot. Put it down, put it down, put it down, put it down, put your hands up, hands up, put your hands up like it's your house. You need to cut through the air. Shots fired, shots, fired. Roll on your stomach. I'm not your fucking parent. Roll on your stomach. You think life is a joke? Roll on your stomach. You're fucking stupid. Roll on your stomach.
Speaker 1:Shit, yeah. What the fuck do you do I?
Speaker 4:don't know if we got any precursor, why are we there? What's the legal reason to be there If all that is unfortunately justified on this, because I don't like to see anybody lose their life Period, and it's dadgummit man when that gun first came up if you've got that legal reason to be there, you have no choice but to act. You know, because you may have one round and now he's disabled you and I don't know about everybody else, but I carried 69 rounds on me. That's just what we carried in my department. Now he's got access to all that and I'm disabled. How many rounds I carried? 69. I know one in the chamber and four mics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, yeah it. It doesn't like I said. I don't care if she would have yelled it's a fake gun. It's a fake gun. It's a fake gun before the dude even came out of the house.
Speaker 3:If it looks real, I'm not taking the chance well, and we read that it says it's a bb gun and I'll tell you right now a bb gun is still not gonna be shot by a bb gun either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm with you.
Speaker 4:And just the fact that the call was about a weapon the night prior or whatever, and just so people have an understanding that don't, and I know the majority of our audience has got a good frigging brain in between their ears and a good heart. This cop has got to deal with that for the rest of his life. The last thing he thought of waking up that day is I'm going to have to shoot somebody. That's not what he wanted to do. He's coming up to to defuse, investigate, figure out what's going on. And he was put in a deadly force scenario. I can care less what anybody personally thinks on me for that. Yeah, period. And he personally thanks on me for that. Yeah, period. And he, he has to. He has to end that right then and there, to stop that movement so nobody gets hurt.
Speaker 1:Yeah harrison said uh, two cops, one donut. What if it was a five-year-old kid?
Speaker 3:I'm not gonna not if I'm being called there.
Speaker 1:For that reason it just depends, it really just depends yeah, every situation you've got a full-grown looking adult that I don't have time to figure out if he's special needs or not pointing a gun at me, versus a five-year-old kid standing there pointing a gun at me. Yep, that's kind of a shitty comparison, because if I got a five-year-old kid, I'm going to be. He mouthed at you.
Speaker 1:Like he wasn't just standing, there't just because a special needs person may have a five-year-old's mentality. That's not the appearance, and so that makes a huge difference. I've got a full-grown adult that just came out of a door pointing a gun at me and I'm dancing around a pillar hoping that that covers me from this gun, and then you put me in a position after I've given you several commands to put it down. I'm'm not tracking that. You're special needs, I'm looking at the gun. So, banning, I was not coming after you, I believe, earlier.
Speaker 4:Never thought you were Mama G and I appreciate the insight. I'm still learning this social media, like other people, and thank you for saying that. I'm going to do my best to G-rate my stupid lips up here so yeah, um I was gonna say that damn it stop damn it I got it, you hit it.
Speaker 3:you hit it okay, so I'll you know I don't think it matters if you're being called to the scene, even though there's a special, you have to go and do the investigation. And if somebody comes out of a house like that on me, regardless of it's flagged or not, now I'm going to have more caution. Probably, and most even my department, where we're a really small agency there's going to be two showing up as we walk up to that door Like it's not going to be again.
Speaker 1:Even if they say that here's the thing that you got to remember too, even if it is flagged like hey, there's a special needs person, lives here, a deaf person lives here, whatever it is, you can only go off of action. And if somebody comes out with a gun pointed at you, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, I'm not going to to hesitate and try to figure all that shit out, while a gun's pointed at me and not just pointed at me, actively tracking me, trying to figure out a way to get around a pillar to point it at me. I just can't. That took three seconds.
Speaker 4:Going back being a child back in the 80s. Like I said, I lived in 23 different states growing up and I loved playing just like any other child before the phone, invention of the smartphone. I used to love to go out and play cops and robbers with the neighborhood kids and I'd go to the Walmart or the Targets and buy the squirt guns and I got this bright idea to get flat black paint and spray one of my not even a super soaker, I'm talking this one thing that looked like a freaking mac 10 already back in the 80s and spray it black. My mother went to whipping on me and she had every freaking reason to leave that thing as it comes from the store because it was bright red on the barrel. It's a water gun. And I'm like, oh man, we're playing and nobody's gonna see us. Because you Leave that thing as it comes from the store because it was bright red on the barrel Water gun. And I'm like, oh man, we're playing and nobody's going to see us.
Speaker 4:You know she woke me up really quick and thank God for my mother. I mean I could. You know, we could have had a run in law enforcement. We didn't. We had some type of negative to where a parent thought I was hurting their child. I was always bigger than the other kids. They always. I thought I was in a bigger grade and a parent could have come out and frigging way-laced me with their firearm as we're out there playing squirt gun. But my mother thank God, she made me do it and I had to make it a brighter red than it came from, or an orange or whatever, and then wear really bright clothing. You know, when I played cops and robbers, you could find me real quick because my mom was like you're wearing this, you're going to go out there and you're just a kid and you guys are playing kid games and we don't want somebody else to think otherwise. So thank you to my mom for doing that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on this question here how many departments have people trained to deal with special need folks, for calls like this? There is no training for calls like this. It doesn't matter how many special needs classes you've had. The point is somebody came out of a door with a gun pointed at your fucking face, point blank range. It doesn't matter, I don't care. None of that matters, none of the stuff you guys are trying to bring up. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:A five-year-old walks out now we got something different to talk about. A full-grown looking adult points a gun in my face at point blank range. It doesn't matter if they're special needs. It doesn't matter if they're deaf. It doesn't matter if they come out and they've got a rainbow flag around their body. I don't give a fuck. It doesn't matter. None of that matters. Why are we bringing that up? It doesn't matter. I'm gonna keep saying it. It doesn't matter. He pointed a gun in his face and tracked him around a pillar from less than two feet, fucking away. It doesn't matter. Quit bringing that shit up. It doesn't matter. You have a right to protect your life. It's on the parents. Why does he have access to a pellet gun? That looks real? That's the question you should be asking yourself You're yelling, it's a fake gun? It's a fake gun. I don't give a fuck, I don't know you.
Speaker 3:I can't yell time out. Hold on, are you special needs Right? There's no time. You know, the moment that I get up in the morning To go to work, I have to justify I'm here to save people, I'm here to do my job and I am going to come home to my family, and that's how I can justify pulling my gun bingo.
Speaker 1:Did you just answer the question I just asked? I have a 36 year old special needs child. I never allowed guns in the house, nor toys. That could be mistaken, it doesn't fucking matter. It's the actions that are perceived at the moment. That officer went to knock on a door and a person that he doesn't know that looks like a full grown adult come out with a gun pointed in his face. We get so fixated on the after the fact shit and we forget about what it's like in the moment. How many of you guys have been in a car accident and you sit back and you think, oh my God, I should have done this, I should have done that, I thought about this, I thought about that, but if you reflect on the moment, you didn't have time for any of that shit. You didn't think about it.
Speaker 4:Think about all the professional race car drivers. How many millions of dollars are invested in their training to not get in a crash going around three or four turns. I'm talking NASCAR, just to give an example. Nothing on NASCAR, but what happens? In almost every race, we have a crash. All those drivers have trained and trained, and trained, and trained, and trained. Somewhere in the physics something goes wrong and there's a crash and sometimes it's a fatality. This is the last thing that law enforcement wants. And then you know what? I wouldn't be surprised if he was not even a police officer anymore because of the mental strain that he was going through for police officer anymore, because of the mental strain that he was going through for having to exercise and do that, yeah, and friggin to stop that motion which ended up probably fatality. Why? And I'm sure it ended up in fatality, but I don't know for a fact, yeah, perry, so it was july 4th banning and perry brings up.
Speaker 1:Perry lemley brings up a good point. He said my wife almost shot an eight-year-old Afghan an eight-year-old Afghan kid with an AK-47 while she was on deployment. And I know a lot of military people that have had that very situation Same Yep that they just had to deal with the unthinkable and I could not put myself in that position. Um, crazy britney force 340, what is that?
Speaker 3:so she set the mile per hour record. Uh, twice, oh no shit.
Speaker 1:343 miles per hour. Doing what motorcycle?
Speaker 3:in a quarter of a mile, you know, in a, uh, in a quarter of a mile, you know in the top of the world, definitely faster than my old Hillcat.
Speaker 1:That's good. Yeah, you think that is cool, just a bit, oh. So shit. All right, let's get. I'm going to do this as the last video. We've been going three hours and I got shit. I got to get up early for so share screen, all right, and biggie size, there we go. All right, let's go.
Speaker 3:Hey, that looks like an illegal motorcycle on the road you want to with this one.
Speaker 1:They're talking like they're in undercover cars Because these guys aren't giving a fuck. I think they're out just hot-dogging and they've got undercover cars in the area Because you hear me like you want to get this one. That makes me think this is a Pueblo Colorado, makes me think this is undercover. Listen, this pisses citizens off so much. I will say this as a cop, I don't give a shit either way, I don't really care. But you want to talk about volume of calls?
Speaker 1:Oh shit, Every one of those cars is calling Every Karen, every fucking elderly man, every citizen in that area is calling the cops. You're going to get more calls for this than you're going to get for somebody shooting a gun. Yep, Absolutely. So all right, let's keep going.
Speaker 3:Put your seatbelt on, come on.
Speaker 6:Right.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say it Seatbelt there. Well, I think he's got a seat belt off because he plans to jump out.
Speaker 3:he got, I'm gonna tackle him. Yeah, I bet he's about to jump out of this car. Hey, let me ride your bike. I'll show you how to actually do it no license plate on any of them.
Speaker 1:This is not yet that's a good time. I wouldn't take it from down right there. They may be waiting for it back there.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's got a plate under there, so you know if there's that airing right listen, I'm.
Speaker 1:I've seen a lot worse on the freeway, so for me we're on a slow road. As a cop I don't give a shit, even more because it's such a slow road. I haven't seen them affect any traffic. Don't get me wrong. I still think it's wrong. I don't like it.
Speaker 3:I haven't heard this one Darren's. I've heard it's wrong. I don't like it. I haven't heard this one Darren's. I've heard Karen's. And usually. I hear like Richard's or something else but. I've not heard of Darren.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I like it, but all right, let's keep going. You obviously got enough for now.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 6:Definitely without doing it.
Speaker 3:I don't the whole road. What if the guy with the Like half on, half off?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so to me right now they are kind of affecting traffic because nobody's going to be willing to pass them Right.
Speaker 3:I was thinking this one. It might be easier to grab him off this bike.
Speaker 11:Try it, I was thinking this one it might be easier to grab him off this pipe. We going for this one, yep, okay At least an hour, and a half, or yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 8:I don't need to worry, it'll get you. Yep, I know Ready Okay.
Speaker 6:Yep, they didn't give a shit.
Speaker 7:Look, and these guys left them.
Speaker 11:You know obviously why you're going handcuffs my man. I got a whole dash cam of you doing stupid stuff driving on the road and dangerous everybody. You're probably going to have to go around because we're going to.
Speaker 1:I just called that in See exactly what I was trying to say. She's like I called that shit in.
Speaker 4:I used to ride a high boost prior to law enforcement, but I didn't do stupid shit like this on the public roadways. We had areas we could do this on private areas yeah, bro, this pisses people off.
Speaker 1:You know what pisses them off even more. Have you seen the ones that do it on bicycles, riding wheelies? Oh God, that pisses them off even more. I'm telling you, people hate this more than they hate actual violent crime. That's been my experience. They absolutely hate it. You want to get citizens on your side. It's going to be videos like this. I'm going to get one.
Speaker 1:I like that they didn't get greedy. They're like we'll get one. It's all we need because he'll rat on the others. They always do, always. I don't care who you are, they will always rat.
Speaker 11:See how happy everybody was. You got me, I'm sorry, everybody's happy, everybody, everybody. Dude, who's that, those buddies?
Speaker 8:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 11:Yeah, I gotta see if we're gonna tow your bike and put a hold on it for a nuisance oh no, please don't the last time we dealt with these, they put a hold on them, which means I love that.
Speaker 1:He's like trying to say that it's the last time we did this. Somebody else put a hold on him. No, motherfucker, you put a hold on him. Listen, don't let this fool any of you officers or anybody else out there. This officer that's handling this call is the one putting the hold on it oh, eric, you can speak to this one. Tim had a good question, uh can I get a ticket on a bicycle for doing a wheelie? I think you actually can. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, but I think you really can.
Speaker 3:I think so like a lot of the universities and stuff, man you don't want to mess with, like breaking the law on a bicycle they don't mess around university cops will come get you.
Speaker 1:I do think I really do. That is I think you can. I think you can get a ticket for that. That I'm guessing, because I would never fucking write it.
Speaker 4:You got to have both rubbers on the pavement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't give a shit, I really don't care. Wade said never snitch, never Snitches. Get stitches and end up in ditches. I think this guy's going to snitch.
Speaker 3:Oh he's going gonna want his bike back you pay the co-fees, and all that Every day. Yeah for six months.
Speaker 5:No dude don't do this.
Speaker 3:Look, it's a mini bike. I hardly ever ride that thing.
Speaker 11:It's almost like you should have been doing wheelies down, doing wheelies, standing up, standing up on the sea. I mean I got a whole dash cam down northern Of you. The blue dirt bike, the other guy we're not, we're not trying, we're not trying to make your life harder, man, but it is a big nuisance and a danger to you other people on the street man that's.
Speaker 3:I think it doesn't it fall under the same here in texas? Doesn't it fall in the same? Uh, like drag racing and all that where they can.
Speaker 4:I a vehicle, I couldn't even it's going to be more of a reckless driving thing. And then see, and, and just so people know, in the state of texas you can drag race being one car. Yeah, da's will take it all day long. If you're out there getting reckless on it, they're going to take, they, they're going to take risk, but they added to some of that.
Speaker 3:I want to say it was last legislative where they don't have to give the vehicle back, Like it can be for certain things.
Speaker 4:You'd about seized, yeah, I mean. And then you know, back when I got in way back in the wagon wheel eras, you know we had an exhibition of acceleration on a public roadway. You, eras, uh, you know we had exhibition of acceleration, yeah, on a public roadway. You know, that was another one. Uh wasn't a big person to go out and get that. We'd get a whole bunch of people shutting down an intersection doing donuts. We'd come there and blaze the old sirens and they'd get to going as long as we get that freaking intersection open back up and deal with it. Man, it's, uh, it was bullshit, but we but we dealt with it.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, they're turds for doing that kind of thing yeah, yeah, dude, I'm uh, I can't like so on that, we'll end at that. By the way, guys, um, that'll be our last video tonight, so I that's very satisfying, I am very happy. The thing that pisses me off about that particular thing is they don't give a fuck about you. None of them guys care about you as society. It's a very selfish thing, and I think that's why it makes people so mad, is they? Had he not got caught, he wouldn't have cared. He would have done what his boys did. Fuck you, guys. I'm out, but he got caught all of a sudden. He cares a lot, but I got.
Speaker 1:Uh, this was a good night. This was a fun episode. I really had fun on this one. John did great. I think it was great. Um, this, this was fun. I got irritated properly, so. So I think it's always a good episode when I get pissed, so, um, but, uh, I will be doing an episode tomorrow with my buddy Lenny, who's a retired New Jersey State Trooper. We're just going to do an interview in the studio here, so that's why I can't stick around late tonight. I got to get the podcast room all prepped up and get that ready, because I got to move everything over for an in-house interview, oh is he coming over?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, he's gonna be here.
Speaker 3:It's gonna be an in-studio recording that's awesome yeah, so I gotta move a lot of shit around, so did your house get tore up with like just a couple trees, or do you?
Speaker 1:have. Uh, yeah, we just um, like I said, the guys that we that came over to tear up the, the trees that fell, they had it done in 15 minutes. They were in and out but, yeah, we had power outages and all that crap. Like, what woke me up wasn't the storm itself, like the light or the thunder and the rain and the wind, it was the lightning. The lightning flashed so bright and that's why we think it hit our tree. It flashed so bright it just went through my eyelids. Like the brightness woke me up. Yeah, I was like holy shit and I had blinds down. Tells you how bright it got.
Speaker 4:So yeah, it was insane. Hey, marine Blood. I'm going to come over to Discord for a little bit after this. These guys have got a very early schedule. My first meeting is not until 9. So as long as I get two, three hours sleep, I'm good.
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