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Two Cops One Donut
When Police Encounters Go Sideways: Officers Share Insights and Analysis
What happens when experienced officers take a hard look at viral police videos? Raw analysis without filters, excuses, or pulled punches.
In this riveting episode, we dissect controversial police encounters that have sparked heated debate online. From an officer throwing equipment at a fleeing vehicle to a lifeguard facing criminal charges after saving a drowning child, we break down what went right, what went wrong, and where the truth actually lies.
The conversation takes on particular intensity when examining traffic stops and trespass laws. We challenge common misconceptions from both sides – addressing when officers overstep their authority by demanding ID without legal grounds, while also explaining why continuing to drive after police lights activate constitutes fleeing regardless of your intentions. This balance of perspectives provides rare insight into how law enforcement professionals view these encounters.
Our body camera review segment offers an unfiltered look at high-stress police encounters, including a motorcycle chase, an LAPD shooting, and a confrontation with an armed suspect. Through frame-by-frame analysis, we demonstrate how split-second decisions unfold in real-time, revealing the complex reality officers face when threats emerge unexpectedly.
Throughout the discussion, we maintain a commitment to fairness – holding officers accountable for misconduct while acknowledging the realities of policing. As one host powerfully notes: "The last thing a cop with a badge wants to do is take somebody's life." Yet we don't shy away from criticizing officers who let ego drive their decisions or fail to de-escalate when possible.
Whether you're passionate about police reform, support law enforcement, or simply seek to understand these complex interactions better, this episode offers valuable perspective from those who've worn the badge and remain committed to improving policing for everyone.
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Speaker 1:Man, you can't help but dance it every time you feel that guitar come into play. I love it, uh. What's funny is no one ever gets to see me dancing. But now they can. If you guys are just joining on. We are on discord as well. We have uh, well, I have. We're just messing around trying to figure out what our cameras are capable of while we're live streaming on restream, which is what we're using right now. But we're also on our discord if you go into our lobby channel. So we are offering for those that you kind of get rewarded if you go to our discord channel and you get different content that we don't put out anywhere else. Um, it's kind of what we're doing, but how are you doing tonight Banning?
Speaker 2:Doing good brother, and also that Discord is probably a little bit less of a filter as well. Yeah, we're filtered, but I guess more open at times depending.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we might be able to type and say some cool stuff on yeah, yeah, or that we can't normally say we're going to have Deadleg popping in. I think Alan gonna have dead leg popping in. I think alan has some family stuff tonight. Um, we didn't hear anything from trey or matt. I think they both were busy. Um, just the way it goes. So, um, I'm just gonna go over to the chat real quick. We got wade lucero in the house. What's up, brother? Uh, appreciate you being on. Craig holcomb, david evanston in the house. Country Girl is over here. Nice, nice. I think I saw her say earlier where's everybody at? They're in the Discord. I'm telling you guys, the Discord is where it's at. If you are not a part of it, please jump on there. Harrison Brock's on Tonight. Guys, we are really pushing. I know you guys love to help us out. I know you love to donate. We appreciate it, but we're trying to take away from YouTube. We're trying not to let them take all your hard-earned money that you're trying to give for the show.
Speaker 2:Don't get us wrong. We love the platform that YouTube allows us to use, but we feel that if people are going to use their hard-earned money on something, it may go more.
Speaker 1:better to go more towards the cause, as opposed to different corporations. We have a Buy Me A Coffee link. I'm going to post that dumb thing. I am not asking for you guys to send me money. I am saying, if you choose to, if that's something you're into and you want to help out the show, we really appreciate it. You can do that at this spot rather than doing it through YouTube. It's quicker, faster, easier but it's in chat if that's what you guys want to do. But we will give shout-outs to the people we are trying to get to pay us, such as Peregrine Retro Rifle. Which Banning? Where's your Retro Rifle shirt tonight?
Speaker 2:It's at the Cleaners it's at the cleaners. He said it's at the cleaners. Uh, mike cucumber in the house. What'd you say? I?
Speaker 1:just ordered a couple more. Oh okay, nice, mike cucumber in the house, thank you. I saw him say something in the chat before we got started. Said something like uh, I'm in a bad mood tonight, so here's what he's gonna say uh, giles, uh, my cousin jumping on saying ripple somebody also asked you if you upgraded the youtube.
Speaker 2:That was one of the questions in here oh, I did upgrade the youtube.
Speaker 1:We should have no shenanigans tonight. So, um, my cousin, uh, when I was in third grade I don't know why, maybe it was fourth grade I thought I really knew what the world was about and I decided to rename or give a new name. I was trying to create slang for a fart and I was so excited to tell my cousin that I think the new fart word should be ripple. So every time you fart, you say ripple. Oh, I rippled. I don't know why. I thought it was so funny. You know what?
Speaker 2:It's still funny to me, it can definitely create a ripple effect.
Speaker 1:It can. Yes, it can, Mr Bill fold in the house. What's up? Mr Bay Perry Lemley in there.
Speaker 2:Whoever is not on the discord it's. It's free to get on it. Just you can do it on your phone. You can do it on your phone. You can do it on your computer. I'm looking at Eric's On my phone. I'm in the Discord as well, so you can see how ugly my office setup is right now. With the big old green screen in the background, eric's freaking camera man. Your camera is spot on, brother. It looks really good. It's a second view. I believe you just put the link out there for everybody to see. Just click on that. You're not going to get any weird uh stuff going on.
Speaker 2:It's a safe link to go to and please, please, join us on discord yep, jump on the discord y'all, it's bumping um, once you get in there if you're as tech deficient as I am and you get signed up and do all the stuff, look for lobby voice chat. Get in there and click on it. You can go in and see what everybody else is saying, right?
Speaker 1:now, mr billfold, I call farming flirting.
Speaker 1:That makes sense oh shit so immature, yeah, yeah. That's why I say, oh my god, everybody's jumping on the discord channel. I can hear it ding, ding in my head. It's coming through, oh man, oh, I'm glad it's coming through. Now you guys get to see a new angle. Uh, welcome, welcome, we're, we're messing around, we're having fun with it, trying to give you guys some behind the scenes footage. That's all. Now. You guys got kind of a and we were on here prepping for the show so you guys could have seen and heard everything we were talking about building up to the start of the live. So that's one of the things I'm going to start offering, if we can get banning, to get his shit together. Over there he's trying trying to get his camera. You can see we've got his second camera angle going. So that's one of the things we're trying to do. Country girl goes ooh, you can see Eric's profile, a little bit of it. More importantly, you can see that Boba Fett helmet down there looking awesome and ominous, so fun. Topics, okay, topics.
Speaker 1:We were trying to get a special guest tonight. We're trying to get um. I think he goes by TC. Uh, it's the guy that, um, matt Thornton. He was on his podcast not too long ago. Um, my brain just cannot think of the name of that podcast. All of a sudden it was really long name but name. But we were trying to get him on and just the timing didn't work out.
Speaker 1:We both had scheduling issues so David said couldn't hear you, eric, over there. That's weird. Everybody else said they could hear me. You guys are seriously great. Thank you, you're welcome. So it looks like you guys can hear me in discord. I got a thumbs up from tim earlier. Tim, can you guys still hear me over there? I'm waiting for tim to give me a thumbs up on discord. Can you guys hear me on discord? Yeah, they can hear you. Yeah, I heard my mom. I heard my mom's voice right there. I can hear you. I know that michigan accent. Anywhere it cracks me up.
Speaker 1:Eric, did you like my time stamps on last week's video? I didn't. I I'd have to go back and look, listen y'all. Here's the thing I got yelled at by somebody today, like you didn't get back with me about my video. If you guys knew how much I I get back with people like my message.
Speaker 1:But I got instagram, tiktok, youtube, facebook, linkedin, discord, uh, what else? We got clapper, uh, which that don't get me wrong. That doesn't get me a whole lot of text, I don't get a whole lot of message on there, but there's a lot of freaking platforms that we got to keep paying attention to. So if I don't get back with you, if I don't see your stuff, I'm sorry. You just got lost in the sauce. There's a lot of people that are constantly, so one of the things I always try to do is get back with the people that take the time to message, and I'm losing that battle quickly because there's a there's. We keep getting more and more people, which is a good problem to have. So um tim said I'm getting echoes, so you are muted on discord, so I can? Oh, okay, because people are watching on youtube as well. That makes sense. That makes that makes sense, okay. I get it.
Speaker 1:He said ask your mom to be your assistant. It's going to be hard for her to be my assistant when she's up in Michigan and I'm down in Texas. So keep trying to get her to move down here and move in with her son and I hope you have too. She don't want to do it.
Speaker 2:I can hear her on Discord saying and I would have to tell you what to do, right?
Speaker 1:Uh, oh, we got Tom Smith. Tom, jump on your computer, bud, jump on, come talk to us tonight hey, if you.
Speaker 2:Hey, Tom, I can send you the link, brother, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't just, don't just lurk in the background, tom, your mom's saying she's a one-man band. Yeah, a one-handed band. That's what she is. People said, please, oh, mr bill, see, that's why I like mr billfold. He's our voice of reason out there, which is crazy to say sometimes. But he said please have reasonable expectations. The video share channel is for us all to enjoy. Thank you, thank you, um, but all right, let's, uh, let's, let's have some discussions. First and foremost, I'm gonna go to our instagram page and we're gonna go through these quickly rather than go through the long drawn out portions of our video. So we're gonna show some of the videos that we've posted on instagram and then discuss what some people's problems with these videos have been. So let me share my screen here. We're gonna go to instagram. Um, okay, let me see banning, if we can make this any biggie.
Speaker 2:Sizer, god, I'm glad you're operating this and not me. I know Tom said he's out, maybe next time.
Speaker 1:Of course he is, he's old. That's what happens when you get old.
Speaker 2:I can see his eyes right now, Like I got you.
Speaker 1:You got to jump on. Let's talk shit back, tom. That's right, all right, let me play this. Tell me talk shit back, tom. That's right. That's right, all right, let me play this. Tell me if you can hear it.
Speaker 7:It's a big bad one. We're cleaning stuff out, take that out. You got to take that out. We're not going to get bullied around by power-tripping cops. He's asking the supervisor what law we're breaking. He's trying to find one. You're not up the community. What's your name and badge number?
Speaker 5:I give you a card stay over there, do not come over here there's not one sign that says no fishing.
Speaker 7:There's not one sign that says no parking, not one sign that says no anger fishing you are allowed to do this, but not from the bridge. Do it on the bridge, sir. I'm not gonna tell you again you can't show me what line, so he's threatening to take you to jail because he can't show me what line if you continue from the bridge you will be arrested by that statute? What?
Speaker 8:does the?
Speaker 1:statute say so I'm going to pause it here. Oh shit, I paused it right. When it's things popping up, if you can see in the background, one of the things I really want you guys to notice there's a sidewalk and it's on both sides of this bridge. Okay, so I'm going to, I'm going to stop sharing this screen. Um, stop sharing.
Speaker 1:So one of the problems that I have with this all right, obviously is what these kids are doing is they're magnet fishing. And if you're not familiar with these guys, um, they're actually called, uh, like the outdoor channel or something like that. You can find them. I'm trying to find their actual tag. I thought I put it on here. Um, dang, I'm not seeing it. I thought it would show somewhere. Profile. Give me one second. I want to make sure we give these guys credit. No, it's not on. Oh, magnet fishing, underscore find. So that's their YouTube channel. It's at magnet fishing, underscore find, and they're on Outdoors Weekly on YouTube.
Speaker 1:So, with these kids, what they do is they go and they magnet fish from bridges, docks, whatever it is, and they're just getting crap out of the river, and then they figured out a way to monetize that, because people I personally, I like to watch that stuff. So I see them doing that all the time. Shout out to Steve Wallace what's up, buddy? And what is really cool about what they do is they find criminal things. Every once in a while they'll find a gun that's been used in a crime or whatever. But more importantly and more often is they are actually cleaning up the river. They don't get this crap and then throw it back because it's not interesting. They clean the rivers up and I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1:So for me, seeing that and what they're doing, it drives me insane that this officer, this deputy um, comes out and starts flexing on these kids, telling them they can't be out there, and then finds an obscure law that doesn't fit um and and I didn't let it come up. But basically what that law was saying was that you can't obstruct the riverways and that's not what they were doing. And then, if you're going to bitch that they're fishing, they're not actually fishing. They're pulling junk out. They're not fishing for fish. They're not pulling fish out of the water. So what do you think? Banning?
Speaker 2:No, I'm the same way and I've seen a lot of those videos as well. I heard that two of them and I need to go back. I got some emails last week Two of those guys served. One was an aggravated assault with one of the firearms that was pulled out, and it was in East Texas. I've got to find that video again. I'm talking back from the 80s no-transcript.
Speaker 2:It's just like somebody walking on a beach with a metal detector. Right, so it's. It's. It's open to the public. You're out there doing it. Stop freaking, jacking with it. If they call you out there, they know what one you got. That's what we get paid to do as cops. It may be something that may not, but if you don't know what it is, take it for evidence. Go in there. Let somebody with, uh, something good between their ears take a look at it. You may help solve something. So just just take it. And there's also been grenades. There's been, uh, you know, firearms with ammo still inside of it. Obviously we got to be careful with that kind of thing, but it's a lot better for these guys with the magnets to pick that up than some kid picking that up and freaking, shooting or hurting themselves on it yeah, yeah, and you, you could tell that, like, I think he didn't expect these kids, I think he expected these kids to just move on because he told them to, and they're like fuck that, why would we move?
Speaker 1:this is what we do, it we're, we're being a community service and I don't know that they went out and said it that way. But I, I don't agree with him. I don't agree with this cop. Doing this is one of those. If I, when I make a real, I tell him to do better, this is one that they need to do better. Uh, because he's just, this is pure ego. Pissed off, police, you didn't listen to my authority and this is what gives us a bad name.
Speaker 7:Sure.
Speaker 1:I mean it would be like me trying to help somebody bleed out, not help them bleed out. Somebody who's bleeding out and a nurse running up and go. I'm a nurse, I'm a nurse, I can help.
Speaker 4:Look, get back, get back. I would never do that.
Speaker 2:I've had several medical professionals stop at my major accidents when I worked in a larger metropolitan area that were helpful. They had go bags with them. They had things to stop the bleed prior to ambulances arriving on scene. That's amazing that people do that and that officers get on kind of a power trip like this is my scene. Well, unless you're the doctor, the medic, the fireman, everything else make sure they're safe and allow them to come in. They can come in and do that if they have the training.
Speaker 1:Right. And then Mike Cucumber asked do you agree with those kids not complying to the lawful order? They did comply, but they protested. That I agree with. Now the problem is we're not lawyers and you're not lawyers even when you are lawyers. Here's the problem If the law enforcement official interprets the law a certain way and you disagree, you don't get to argue on the side of the road. That's just the way it is. That's why I tell you guys, make your protests known for the record, especially if they got a body cam or you're recording, and then you fight it in court, I think, any time that you like.
Speaker 1:If you were going to draw a line in the sand this is not the time to draw a line in the sand anyway Go fight it in court, and I don't ever really agree with fighting it on the roadside. Personally, I don't want anybody to get hurt and I don't want anything to be misinterpreted. That's why we have court. We are not designed to fight with our law enforcement officials on the side of the road. Some people don't like that answer. They're like well, it's fighting our liberties. Yes, that's what court is for. Why have it? It's because laws are so complicated that there's two people on both sides that are going to put up amazing arguments even though you're going to sit back and go. That's idiotic. We already know that he's wrong matter. The defense attorney is going to create this amazing argument that makes sense, is logical and is reasonable. So that's what they're there for. And when we try to do that on the roadside, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2:And just FYI, I just sent Houston Gas the link, just in case he has time to hop on as well for a little bit.
Speaker 1:I don't want Houston on here. He's not welcome on my show anymore. I'm just kidding. I love you, betty. Um patrick, true love said I watched one where they found a grenade, small bomb type thing. Lady cop said that they couldn't call the bomb squad because they had too much to do. Oh my god, that would be ridiculous. The one that I saw that y'all sent me somebody else sent me this, probably because I posted this one is they find a car. That's what they do. They find missing people and they go find vehicles underwater. They have like a whole dive team that they do and they end up finding a missing kid. A teenager that had his vehicle was in the water. And when this cop arrives on scene it is like you just put him out, like you did everything wrong. You shouldn't be like he was doing everything in his power to get out of doing this job, to get out of doing anything for this family, and did it in front of the family, which really pissed me off.
Speaker 1:And he's like you don't even know it's the right car. And he's like, sir, I already got the plate, I already matched it. And he's like, well, you don't know that. He's like you don't even know it's the right car. And he's like sir, I already got the plate, I already matched it. And he's like, well, you don't know that, he's in there. We're not going to say that he's in there. He's like the windows are rolled up, like he didn't get out, like he's trying to tell him it was just, it was unbelievable.
Speaker 1:It was very, very callous and very, very obvious to me as a cop that he was just trying, he was pissed off, he had to work. So, yeah, it was, it was dumb. Uh, show me the audits said never resist arrest. That will not win. Agree, I'm telling you guys, the guys that do the best are the ones that kill with kindness the bugs. Bunny approach kiss elmer foot on the lips, don't kiss a cop on the lips. I'm just saying that's the approach that works so much better. And I have seen judges just look over at the cop and just look at him with disdain because the person was so polite and the cop was a dick the whole time. So it's just my experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's one thing cops do. They don't get paid to be assholes out there. Now there's a time and a place to to raise a voice and a priority one situation. Obviously, there's also a time to to switch to a different demeanor, but there's times for that. When you're dealing with people, especially starting off, you've got to bring your best foot forward. I don't care how bad your day's been as a cop. You knew this before getting in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you may, we get it. We've done it. Eric still does it, we get it. You may have left the worst scene of your life, but now it's reset, you're on a new one. You're going to bring that best foot forward. That's in the entire city.
Speaker 1:I'm laughing at. Show me the audience. He says I might try that. A little kiss Stupid, kiss, stupid. Um, so oh, unless you're kissing alan, there you go. No, poor buddy's not with us tonight. Um shit, you got me off my my brain.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say something on this. Um yeah, fight in court, don't fight on the side of the road. Now there, okay. So let me put this out there. There is supreme court rulings that if your rights are being violated and people like to bring this up all the time that you can resist that when your rights are being violated, the problem is is you got to know 100 percent? And if you're wrong, oh shit, you're in a lot of trouble now. So there's that. Is that worth the risk to you? I would say it's. You know, I don't ever think that's worth the risk. Go to court, do it the civil way, do it the safe way. That's the way I look at it. But there are times like no knock warrants. There have been people that have been found innocent of shooting at the police or shooting a cop because they did a no knock warrant. They bust through the door. They think their house is being fucking robbed and they just shoot, so you got to be careful.
Speaker 1:Um, that is, that is the time that stuff like that will um, you'll be defended, I think. I think they just had one in houston where that was actually the case. Um, this is the problem with law enforcement. Like the courts are legitimate, I've seen too many instances of malicious prosecution instant people being found guilty do not fight in court. So basically, your argument is that it's more beneficial to fight the cops out in public and then not risk the courts. I think the latter is still. Even if your courts are bad, you're still going to have it better than trying to fight with police out in the public.
Speaker 2:My whole thing is I believe the DAs and the judges need to be able to count to the same, to the same frigging standard as as any other.
Speaker 1:First, responder out there. For some reason, the public really likes to hold accountability on police transparency and accountability with police, which is great, and I think you guys have made policing hit great strides. However, I don't see the same outcry for the places that put you in jail and you don't get to see what they're discussing behind the scenes. You don't get to see how they're dismissing cases. You don't get to see how they're using their discretion without giving any justification to anybody. Imagine if I showed up to a robbery and I'm just like no, I don't feel like there's enough here, I'm just gonna use my discretion, I'm not gonna do a report. You guys are good. Imagine that that's how some cases are are held by courts. They're just like the da's like nah, there's not enough here, I'm gonna dismiss this one if you, and they'll tell you if you get more evidence, and then we'll we'll look at it again and you're like bro, it's a fucking slam dunk case. What are you talking about? Unreal fighting needs to be defined. Verbally, yes. Physically, no, yeah, that's true. Verbally, like I said, make your protest known. You can talk as much shit as you want. Fuck you cops. I'm not going with you. You can't tell me what to do as you put your hands behind your as you want. Fuck you cops, I'm not going with you. You can't tell me what to do as you put your hands behind your back and let them arrest you. That can work that way.
Speaker 1:Michael Riley said, as several others said, if fighting in court is tough because I now have to pay a bunch of money in court fees and take off work just to prove my point, versus a cop that is paid to do it, yeah, point. Versus a cop that is paid to do it, yeah, you're, you're not wrong. That is a shitty position and I I feel for you when you have to do that, but it's no different for me if I have to go to court, I still got it. Not, I don't mean as for me as a cop. I mean like if I go out and get a speeding ticket somewhere or whatever which has happened, so it, uh, I still gotta go to court.
Speaker 2:Mr Belfold said Eric always has the oversimplification down to an hour.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not oversimplification, it's simply truth. Yeah, there's a lot of factors behind you having to go to court, no one's denying that. But again, paying a little money or paying a lot of money however you choose to do it versus fighting with a cop. Where do you think you're going to get if you fight on the side of the road? More than likely you're going to get hemmed up, possibly hurt. That's worth it to you versus going to court and spending money.
Speaker 1:Think about that same argument. When a cop has to chase somebody that stole something, you guys are like it's just property, they should let it go. So I'm going to turn that same argument back at you. All, it's just money, let it go. Don't get hurt. Don't let anybody else get hurt. See how that works.
Speaker 1:Look at what happened with the Long Island audit case Still being maliciously prosecuted. I look at that the same way as when you fought the Redcoats we didn't go to the courts to settle it. Yeah, well, the problem is we don't have that same issue and if we're going to talk about oversimplifications, that's what we're trying to do right here. We don't have the redcoats. That's not what we're talking about. There's not mass, a ruler, a king just enslaving the people and taking your well, they are taking your money through taxes, but it's not the same. That's like the overuse of people saying nazis drives me up the wall. Anyway, let's get to the next video here. Um, boom, let's share the screen. Share screen, instagram share. We can't biggie size, I apologize, we're unmuted. And okay, let's watch this one.
Speaker 8:Oh, oh, I don't know if my camera got that. Hello, yeah, no thanks, how are you so?
Speaker 1:he's telling the car to pull over and pull over this way, pull over this way. You, oh, I said pull over this way, pull over this way. Oh shit, I said pull over this way. It takes off.
Speaker 2:Did you see how whatever kind of car that was I'm usually good at and I watched this once when you posted it that dude hammers down like he just robbed a bank. After that happened I'm not saying right or wrong on the officer I've been frustrated directing traffic and I don't. I'd never stood behind a tree and jokingly and did speed like that and flag people over. I mean hell, I probably would have went around, not, not like that. But you know, you understand what I'm saying. What was did we? Do we figure out what that was? Was that a flashlight? Was it a laser?
Speaker 1:um, I, I believe it was his radar gun. Okay, like every part of me believes that that was his radar gun. And then somebody told me that in other countries they think this is another country. Um, just from the, the green and blue checkered on the on the bike and and all that. And then the guy talking also had an accent, sure, um, I'm not sure where it's at, because I see palm trees Right, so it's not England.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm just thinking. You know I always had to purchase my own flashlight. I've never been to a department that purchased one for me. And you're looking at $200 for a really good patrol flashlight and you're looking at $3,000 if it's a radar up to and you can even get up to $7,000 if it's a laser for speed. So you're looking at a lot of money either from the officer doing it himself either way, he shouldn't be throwing an object at a car or the taxpayer-funded traffic control device, if you will, for speed measurement. Doing that. You know was it? Was it damaged? Uh, I think we need some, some anger management. You're you, dude, you're, you're a solo guy out on that street. You're giving a direction. You got a bike over there goes a lot faster than that car.
Speaker 1:If you feel the need to go after somebody, get off your ass and go after him yeah for me, and as people may think this is harsh, but this one I would fire him, I him, I don't. I don't now, don't get me wrong. It's not that I don't think there's ever. I try to avoid always and never. I'm not going to say there's never a reason to do what he did. However, if I'm going to deduce things and use my reasonableness here, you weren't chasing anybody because you didn't bother to get on your bike.
Speaker 1:You weren't on your bike to begin with. You were walking out in the middle of a two or three lane road I can't tell what that is and you're trying to conduct traffic on foot with no other vehicles to help protect you. No mark unit, no lights, no, nothing. You're not after anybody serious. Marked unit, no lights, no, nothing. You're not after anybody serious. That's that. That's how I look at that. You're not after anybody serious. So this car didn't listen to you. So we got some pissed off police, some ego, and you got mad and chucked you. If that little thing pissed you off, what other stuff pisses you off? What happens if something big happens around you? You happen to catch a you know peeping tom, or something serious Like how are you going to act when the cameras aren't around.
Speaker 2:How long has he been on? What does his file look at? What are the complaints are? If they're there, why is he still doing the same job? That's that's what I look at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, yeah, I definitely want to look at his record and stuff like that. But to me I just can't have a loose cannon on my department. There's no way that that is nuts and you threw city equipment. You don't even own it, right, I'm guessing. I'm guessing it's probably a radar gun. That's what it looked like I.
Speaker 2:I was directing traffic on a long, a large highway called 820 in north texas. Uh, we had a construction going zone going and then we had a fatality accident. This was years ago and I'm directing traffic and they always teach you at least great FTOs will teach you you never turn your back to the traffic you're directing. So I screwed up. I turned my back for a moment to get repositioned because a whole bunch of cones were knocked over. So I ran and I was picking up cones and a Ford F3, I'm sorry, a Ram 3500 with the big I call them monkey ears. Their mirrors are, you know, it's the standard mirrors but you roll them out for if they're pulling.
Speaker 2:A trailer was coming along and the driver had a lot of distraction a lot of flashing lights, cones, people were down to about 25 miles an hour, maybe to 10 when they were passing me and that mirror hit me in the back and 10 to 15 miles an hour I don't care how big and bad you think you are and I was wearing a, a, a, you know, just a threat level three vest for patrol. It damn near knocked the wind completely out of me. So I learned a lesson real quick. I'd probably been a cop for two, three years, thought I knew everything. You know young young man syndrome. Turn my back for a minute. And that mirror got me. And boy, I'm mad at the driver. Sure For a second, but I, I damn sure, didn't grab my flashlight and throw it along the side of his truck. He stopped, he had a lot of things going on and I was the dumb ass that put myself out in the traffic lane. Thank God it wasn't worse than what it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wanted to read. Show me the audits. He said okay, guys, I have a question for you. If you were an officer and you were given a court order to remove someone from a house, if you get there and know that it is their home for years, would you execute If I knew it was their home? Well, I guess it depends. What am I removing this person for? If it's their home, why would I remove somebody that it's their home? There's a reason behind it, so I want to know what the reason behind it is. That's kind of a vague question, sir. Is this guy wanted for something? Is he? You're muted there, ben Boy.
Speaker 2:I'm smart. Can you hear me now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can hear you Good, okay. So just reading that over again, I'm not sure what Show Me the Audit is talking about. Are we talking about an eviction? Yeah, are we talking about a protective order because of safety to a family member? There's different roads. This can travel down. Different roads this can travel down. The reason I say eviction is sometimes larger agencies will have specialized units from either marshals or detectives, depending on the size, that are going to go ahead and do what's called a civil standby to execute a civil order to remove somebody from a home. So I'm not really sure which one he's talking about and I would love to go into the details, at least my experience on each one of those. So if you can just better depiction notices what Perry Limley said, you know and and good, I was going to say I never had to deal with that.
Speaker 1:I was, I'm city cop. I don't. That's a, that's a deputy sheriff thing. I don't. I've never had to deal with that.
Speaker 2:I've never thrown anybody out of their home and everybody, welcome Houston Gas. Those of you who got to see Houston what two, three weeks ago came in here and told us his story of heroicism and survival and many, many surgeries and getting shot in the face. And my joke is that Houston eats shotguns for breakfast and that's what he tells his rookies. So, houston, thank you for coming on last minute, brother, we appreciate it.
Speaker 3:Hey man, Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1:Not a problem, brother. You sound like you're talking super far away from your mic. Tap your mic for me, let me see if you're coming through that mic.
Speaker 3:There you go, there we go, there you go.
Speaker 1:Perfect. This guy thinks he can just talk 20 miles away and his mic's going to pick him up. I can do. Show me the audit said the person that wants to get to court and get the eviction that will be executed within 24 hours. Yeah, I don't have any experience with that.
Speaker 2:I do. I do so even in the larger city that I worked. We would usually get when I say we, our dispatch center would be contacted by whatever county constable's office. So in the state of Texas, state of Louisiana I know New Mexico does the same in many aspects. I believe Oklahoma does as well, but I have to double check the constable's office will contact us and constables are peace officers just like police officers, deputies, state troopers, texas Rangers, whatever.
Speaker 2:But the way they do law enforcement is a little bit different. So they're going to go out and execute a lot of what's called civil process and in the counties that I've worked at Houston's worked at Houston's had a lot more exposure to this up in the panhandle. But we would assist them if we would have time. Maybe cover perimeter, meaning patrol law enforcement come out if they think that there's going to be an issue. But when the court issues that this person is being evicted out and the judge has stamped it, says that he's got to be out by five o'clock on this date, a constable will come in and basically stand there while they move their stuff out and then report back to the court, similar to a search warrant or arrest warrant, on how it went, did they remove themselves and they took all their property with them. So there's no reason for them to return. And that's what we deal with here in Texas quite a bit on the smaller rural areas.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir, we're getting a bunch of feedback from uh somebody's mic. I'm guessing it's uh houston's. Your gain is too high there's that's weird.
Speaker 2:I've never heard his mic do that yeah that's really, really loud.
Speaker 1:We're having technical difficulties with Houston over there. Give us a second while we get there, is that?
Speaker 2:better Still getting some feedback. Brother, Do you have your speakers on your computer also emitting the sound?
Speaker 1:Is it coming? No, how's that? It might be your fan, I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, it's not the fan. He had that on the whole time Last time. I think is your. Is your microphone projecting out like it did last time in the back?
Speaker 7:office.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's only coming through your, your headphones, correct?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's it Interesting.
Speaker 8:I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you have a controller on there that says gain? Yeah, I've got it. Crank that bad boy down Wrong way. Other way. There we go, there we go. Better, better A little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's manageable. Yeah, we can deal with that for sure. He sounds like he's running an old school printer. Hot box him, yeah, turn his fan off. No airflow, oh shit, yeah. But a quick shout out to one of our primary sponsors here, our main sponsor, peregrine Guys, if you're in police work, just know that this program is 100% supported by me and it will turn the shittiest detectives into Sherlock Holmes. They don't say that I do, and that's the best way I can describe it. For any cops out there listening, if you've never heard of Peregrine, go to Peregrineio, look for Mike O'Connor, ask for Mike O'Connor or reach out to me and I'll get you in touch with Mike O'Connor. And that is my guy that's skipping the salesman. That's going way off the chain.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, and you guys know I wouldn't preach it if it wasn't good. Um, if it's a piece of shit, I will tell you it's a piece of shit. So when we do, uh, you know, like retro rifle shirts, I'm telling you guys, you can keep it locked in your freaking backpack and it won't wrinkle. So that's a good thing for me. I like that shit and it hides guns on it. Anyway, wade, crinkle up some aluminum foil, put it on the computer for better reception.
Speaker 2:I've never heard your mic sound like this. This is kind of different.
Speaker 3:I know, man, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, keep turning that gain down, there you go.
Speaker 2:That's better, there we go, all right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. All you got to do is just be close to that mic to talk to it. But yeah, Awesome. Mr Belfold said show me, I'm sure the numbers get worse. This is America. The popular election of senators was the nail in our well-built coffin. Is Mr Billfold on a doomsday talk tonight? Is his positivity? Out.
Speaker 1:I love Mr Billfold, but every once in a while he gets into his just negative, negative, negative, negative which conflicts with me, because I'm always positive to a fault. Um, so it's, it's. It's hard. Sometimes when I see too much negative, I'm like y'all are just doom and gloom and I'm not that way. I just don't think that way doesn't work. So, um, all right, let's get to another video here. Boom, boom, boom, all right. Oh, this one will piss you the fuck off everybody. It should, if it doesn't something wrong with you. All right, let me get to share screen. Nope, that's the wrong one. There we go. Share screen. Instagram Boom, there we go. We are unmuted.
Speaker 6:And play. We are unmuted and play. Adam's friends thought he was just holding his breath, but Stein realized something was terribly wrong. Without hesitation, he jumped into the pool, pulled Adam out and performed emergency CPR, successfully reviving him. But just as people began praising Stein as a hero, adam's parents arrived. Instead of thanking him, they called the police. Officers soon showed up and arrested Stein on charges of endangering a child. According to Stanford police, surveillance footage showed the boy underwater for almost four full minutes. At the time, there were fewer than eight kids in the pool and Stein was the only lifeguard on duty. Police argue that Stein should have noticed sooner and acted immediately when Adam first started drowning. However, the video clearly showed Stein wasn't distracted by his phone or talking to anyone. When he finally spotted Adam, he immediately dove in, rescued him and revived him through CPR. Still, Stein was charged with reckless endangerment and risk of injury to a minor.
Speaker 2:This hits home for me. I know it hits home for Houston as well. Houston and I, we are really, and here's here. Here's the reason, and I'm going to I'm going to take 15 seconds here. When we worked for a small police department up here in the rural area, uh, the city manager came to us and said our city pool is not going to be able to operate this year. I know you guys are our patrol sergeants, you're working, you're overworked, you're doing a lot of things for the city. However, here's a book and it's about twice the size of the gold's law manual that law enforcement gets. You have less than two weeks to study this. It's a proctored exam.
Speaker 2:This is when COVID started, by the way, and we need our city pool operational for our kids to have something to do, which Houston and I agree with the city that we both reside in does not have much for kids to do. Instead of going out and getting in trouble, why not come to a pool that has a heavy lifeguard presence? So not only do we have to become what's called a CPO certified pool official, as a police officer, we also had to become registered lifeguards. And imagine us in our string bikinis sitting up at a lifeguard tower, which we didn't do very often but we would fill in when other lifeguards were sick or out. But we had to have that certification and as a what was it?
Speaker 2:An instructor, I believe it was in the lifeguard field to be able to do the recertifications et cetera. Now there's another gentleman that does it for our city, does a great job at it, but there for about three years we were controlling all the chemicals for the city pool. It's a very strict deal and it goes with the lifeguard thing. The lifeguard stuff is very, very strict to be able to get that certification here in the state of Texas and I'm sure it's the same nationwide. So Houston and I both did that and I've heard three different versions of this story. Don't know which ones are true. I would love to get more details on this, but I know the kid and I'm speaking about the lifeguard did everything in his power to save this young person's life and anytime we hear something like this it's very few and far between where you see the lifeguard get charges. Only three or four that I've found in the history.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think. Personally, I'm just I'm astounded by this one. I cannot believe it To me. I'm like here you have a kid that went through all the steps to do what he's supposed to do. Banning's thinking of himself in a speedo right now. He is kind of cute.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All the steps to do everything right, and the thing that really makes me on the lifeguard side is he wasn't on his phone. He was paying attention, he just didn't see him and he saved the kid's life. Now to me, you guys tell me what you think. To me, I think that parents should not use lifeguards as their personal babysitters. They are there as a secondary to help out. I think that the parents are the ones that should be held liable for being negligent, knowing that your 5 year old can't fucking swim. Who leaves their 5 year old alone in a pool, in a public pool, and doesn't pay attention to them? That, to me, is insane. I would never leave my 5 year old, even if I knew my 5 year old could swim. I'm still going to keep an eye on my five-year-old.
Speaker 3:Well, I know, at the pool that we ran, we had a rule in place that said nobody under the age of 14 would be left unattended. And I will tell you the way we trained our lifeguards and stuff man. They had to constantly scan the pool, looking at the kids and watching everything.
Speaker 3:And I don't care if there was a hundred kids or just the eight kids that were in there. The way kids jump around and play and and just I don't know kind of act, stupid in general. Um, that's a. There's a lot to see, man, and the way kids are always under and up and over and splashing dude, you're not always going to see it. I don't care if there's four people or 400 in there. It it just kind of is what it is.
Speaker 1:Yep, um, I'll address, uh, mike's. He said the malicious prosecution was initiated by the police. Maybe we don't know, because sometimes what will happen is you do your report, like this guy was not arrested on scene, this was after the fact. So the officers will do the report, that will go to a detective, they'll put their findings up and and get the da's referral, especially on something like this, because you don't know, you don't know what you don't know, and if you got parents pushing for charges, you give it to the da. You're really passing the buck because it's ultimately up to them.
Speaker 1:So on this one, I don't, I doubt it. I doubt that the police were the ones that initiated prosecution, which cops don't initiate prosecution, by the way. So I just think we're playing a word game, is all. So I understand what you mean, but the cops have to report, no matter what. You had an incident and you got to complain it. So, no matter what, you have to do a report and that report is going to go to the DA and the DA is going to decide if they're going to push through with that.
Speaker 1:So again, quit using the police, because it's the lowest hanging fruit. You're being lazy and you're being a pussy. Sorry, mike, that's my idea. On this one You're being a pussy. Why? Because it's easy to go after the cops on this one. When you need to be holding the prosecution accountable, they're the ones that put the charges through. Quit going after the easy target. It's easy, it's simple to say to the police I'm with you, I will call the police out on bad shit too. But this wasn't handled that way on scene. This happened days later, probably weeks later. So that's just my opinion. Still love you, though Don't get mad at me.
Speaker 2:Hey, it looks like Tim used to be a lifeguard as well.
Speaker 1:I'm reading Brad Doerr's comment. He said look at those awesome beards. Well, two out of three ain't bad, don't worry, eric, hopefully it will fill you. Listen, listen, linda, listen beards. Well, two out of three ain't bad, don't worry, eric, hopefully it will fill. Listen, listen, linda, listen. I. I'm pretty sure out of everybody on here, I'm probably the hairiest man beast on this panel. I just make sure I shave every day, because if I don't, that shit will grow up up underneath my eyebrow hey, brad, if you're still watching, text me a friggin picture of your monster beard.
Speaker 1:I'll shoot it to eric and eric can throw it up, because it's uh pretty badass nice um tim said, as an ex lifeguard when you scan the pool, splashing is what you want to see. It's when the splashing stops is when something's wrong. Yeah see, I wouldn't know shit about life. I I honestly, I probably avoided pools from after high school until I just got my very first pool. I'm not a pool fan, to be honest. I like using it for working out. I do like lounging with the the family now. But, um, dead leg, text me a picture of your monster comments out of context. It's a red door to a monster comment. I didn't realize. Deadleg's back. What's up, buddy?
Speaker 2:I was about to dive him out and say hey, log back in, man, Don't be just putting a comment on there, bringing it out alive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, deadleg, we're going to take a pause for this for a second, on what we were talking about. But, um, oh, mike did respond. I want to give it. I call them pussies, though I don't I want to give a chance to call me names back. Um, he said I hate prosecutors and judges more. We all have a responsibility to do the right thing, absolutely, um, but uh, dead leg, I want you to give people an update of, but first there may be people on here that don't know your backstory, why we call you dead leg, so you can you tell them real quick why we call you dead leg, and then the latest update with you.
Speaker 8:It's a psychological trick. Honest to God it is, and it's so. I don't feel less about myself when we make fun of me. So if I make fun of my leg first and then you make fun of it second, no one a copycat. So no, no, no, boo boo, I'm better. So that's, that's what it is. It's a psychological thing, but really I broke my leg a couple years ago in 2017 really, really bad. And then I've got compartment syndrome, which you don't know if that is. It's swelling that causes the leg to almost amputate from itself, because it causes circulation to stop to go past where it's at. So so I spent a month in the hospital. Tomorrow will be surgery, procedure number 21 or 22. And this one is to we're on a trial period right now.
Speaker 8:I have a stimulator implant currently because I have developed a condition called complex regional pain syndrome. It's basically the worst parts of the Bible. It's pain that's unimaginable, undescribable. It's to a point that back in the 60s and 70s, they would lobotomize people with it, because there was no way that people could tell you the pain that you're going through and then still be conscious. It's just, you sound crazy all the time. I sound crazy all the time I sound crazy all the time with the way the pain is. But the stimulator I have now is for my upper body Cause, unfortunately the condition I have spreads and started in my right leg, below the knee, and then down to my left leg and now my left arm and I'm getting my right arm. So the stimulator trial is for my upper body and I currently have a Boston scientific one on me and that'll allow me to have a lead for each arm and a lead for each leg and then they're able to, literally through a computer, they're able to dial in exactly where my stimulus is, how much it is, how little it is, how much I feel, how much I don't feel, and it's kind of like a tens device on the ones that you can feel and on the higher frequencies that you can't feel. It's just running in the background, but what it'll allow me to do is the constant pain that I have. It takes that threshold, that constant level, and just lowers it down just enough to where you won't jump out a window, doesn't make it go away, doesn't stop it.
Speaker 8:There's nothing for that, there's no cure. You can't cut it off. It's not like cancer. So you can't cut it off. You can't cut it out. I can't give it to you so we can kiss and hold hands. No problem there. Stupid, it spreads. There's no cure.
Speaker 8:It's like MS and it's very individualistic. But it's not like MS and it's completely different. It's a neurological condition, but that's where they have the similarities. That stopped. It's very individualistic. Some people have it and it goes into remission and they never have to deal with it again. I unfortunately have a very, very aggressive form of it, and that's just where I am. So it'll let me have some of my life back, because I've been fighting for my upper body since 2019 to try to get coverage. So this has been the last five and a half six years I've been trying to get a stimulator from upper body, so this past week I've been able to, like, do things that I've not been able to do for a long time, including sleep. Sleep was another huge thing, but yeah, yeah, pain, lots of pain, so less pain.
Speaker 1:So that's what what I was curious with, with you getting that device and comparing where your pain level was at prior to getting any devices, then getting what you had and now what you have. Now, like give me okay, let's say, let's say, when you had nothing that was a 10, then you got your, your old one. Where were you at with that?
Speaker 8:so if I'm if my day-to-day is a 10. Where I'm at now, it's probably four. Oh shit, okay yeah, that's manageable that exactly it's. It's manageable. It's not to where you can like. I'd like to be able to go like somewhat back to full-time work at some point. I don't know, because the other thing is, I'm just getting older with time, so yeah, at some point.
Speaker 4:I don't know.
Speaker 8:Cause the other thing is is I'm just getting older with time, so at that point there's going to be a thing. But it allowed me to do more things so I can do like have a regular sleep schedule. Cause the first thing that I noticed when I came home cause I went to sleep when I from I had the procedure last Tuesday the first one and I came home and went to sleep and I slept all the whole rest of the day until the next day, and then I woke up and I I felt like you know, when you haven't gone to the gym for for like a week, like you skipped the gym for a week, you go on vacation, you come back and you hit it hard and then the next day after that you're like man, you're just so tired. You're like you're sore but tired. That's the way my entire upper body felt, cause I just I carried so much tension from carrying the pain, so I'm just tense all the time.
Speaker 8:So what it did is because the paint, the lower the threshold there, like it's let me relax, so like it's really messed with my head the last couple of days because we had some weather come through and weather usually ramps it up with the barometric pressure changes and where, like it would ramp up and get really bad, it never got to the level it normally does. So my brain was like, okay, it's, there's, there's. You're like it's like you're on a roller coaster and you're just waiting for it to get really bad. And it just it doesn't get really bad, so that the anticipation is there. So my brain's got to relearn, rethink about how I process the pain, so I can relearn how I can manage like day-to-day things like that.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. Okay, julie said dead leg. I tried a spinal cord stimulator but it didn't work for me at all. Crps, no sleep. Yep.
Speaker 8:So when this comes, so what it is? It's a little device and it's got a wire and comes up to another little device that's on my back and then that's got wires and it's literally I have a hole in my spinal cord right now with wires that go into it. So what they'll do tomorrow is they're going to pull all that back out and then we'll make the decision on what we're going to do. Go with a lot of people. There's a whole process to even get to this point.
Speaker 8:You have to go through a psychological evaluation because with CRPS itself, it's known as the suicide disease and it's because either you can't take dealing with the pain, knowing that there's no hope, or just the people around you, cause it's, it's, it's hard all the time. Like my wife asked what can I do? Nothing. Yeah, give me, give me a high five. Yeah, cause there's really there's nothing that you, there's really there's nothing that you can do.
Speaker 8:Like regular pain, medication does not work the same way because it's sympathetic, neurological pain. So like regular pain and the things that you compare pain to, the things that you compare them to, those things are like an instant, like if I shut your hand in the car door, if I chop your arm off with a machete. Those are a one-time thing, like you give birth to that event and it's over. This is just every day, all the time, and it just never stops. What this does is just lowers it down and lets you sleep, because now tomorrow night it's going to be sucky, going back to crap. Sleep again for a couple weeks until we figure out when we're going to do the implant, but knowing that there's relief in the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and maybe they can fine-tune it and get you down a little bit more.
Speaker 8:That's what the guys with Boston Scientific were able to do. They literally had because it's Bluetooth. So I have a Boston Scientific phone that they have their little app on so they can send a program to my phone and then the phone can update the app and then they can update so the longest like I can explain to them what's going on, what we want to change. They get on the computer, type it in and say hang on, let's see the signal. All right, your phone should have it. All right, send it to your thing. It's literally that fast. And then when we're live and we're like the computer is hooked up to me, they can send it like live.
Speaker 8:So last Thursday is when they hooked me up to the Boston one and they literally walked up like a two-inch wide, two or three-inch wide diameter, like sensation. But they walked it up my arm, where I wanted it the most, and the sensation where it hurts the most or where the sensations it the most, and the sensation where I, where it hurts the most or where the sensations hurt the most that they're able to target, like those specific areas. I'm like that's pretty incredible, damn.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm going to read Jay's. Uh, jay Walker said love the podcast, but on patrol a year and love getting y'all's thoughts and advice. I even listen on them slow County nights in patrol. Um, I think that's what he meant to say. Appreciate that, brother Truly. I hope the advice we give you is working for you and all that. So I appreciate that Banning. He said county nights, sir, what do you got for him?
Speaker 2:For county night. I mean man, I mean county nights can either be you're frigging busy that you can't see straight and you're doing everything by yourself. Maybe you have one other person I know Houston can relate on that or it may be the most draining thing on you to where you're pulling up to a fence and talking to a cow. There's nothing going on, there's no traffic coming through, depending on how many cities you have in your county. You're going to patrol and look for burglars in process, progress, etc. It can either be just like anybody on patrol. You can either have that dead night or you can have that. Your freaking call screen is just completely loaded up with a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 3:For the record, I never talk to cows.
Speaker 1:Wade Lucero said United States Air Force does have weak beards, but recently I was training at range and shot with a United States Air Force spec forces. What a pro mindset. Hey, I guess your beard doesn't matter when you're getting the job done. Huh, fair enough. I don't know what's up with all the uh shit talking about my beard tonight, you know hey, uh three.
Speaker 2:I just sent three pictures to you from brad dory said.
Speaker 1:Publicly share them yeah, um, I don't have a way to share them from my phone currently, sir, so, uh, you're gonna have to screen share from your device over there, banning, if that's what you want to do. Um, but all right, let's get to uh, another video here. Um, okay, we talked about the. Uh, yeah, we already did that guy and uh, what was this?
Speaker 1:oh, there you go now, that's a beard that's a nice standby to standby, yeah I'm gonna say he used the straightener on that beard with maybe some steam, which causes manhood in the question. See, that's a regular beard. That's a guy that woke up, comb that thing down and that was it. That other beard you showed, yeah, that had some soul glow in it or something. He was he.
Speaker 2:There was chemicals in that and those are just, uh, american roses.
Speaker 1:He's standing yeah, right, yeah, yeah, they sure do look like it. T ward jumped out. He said one person says man, it's quiet on the radio and the night is shot oh god, you're not even wrong, I know right. All right, let's uh share the screen here, uh share screen. I'm just in an instagram mood tonight. Y'all, don't worry, we're gonna get youtube ones on here as well. So, all right, let's uh, let's go.
Speaker 7:Okay, yeah, I got one slow stop, cassie, south of margaret high attack Henry Lincoln Edwards 6-0.
Speaker 8:7-0. Still slow rolling.
Speaker 1:Okay, I just want to point out that he passed a very lovely place to pull over just a second ago. Now he's passing another lovely place. I cannot say that Lovely place to pull over here.
Speaker 4:He continues. More places up here. He continues.
Speaker 1:More places up here. He decides to take a left into this driveway which ends up leading Guess where that leads to. Guys Home, His apartment complex. And guess who's waiting for him outside? Family. I don't know if it's his mom or whatever, but that's family standing there to the side, so we'll keep going.
Speaker 7:Turn the car off. Turn the car off, the key's out the window. Hey stay back, stay back.
Speaker 1:So the initial stop was for expired registration, which all of us have to have. Okay, so it wasn't for bullshit necessarily. Typically, you want people to have an updated registration so their insurance is in effect properly and normally their insurance ain't going to cover them if their registration isn't up to date. So these are things to consider.
Speaker 7:We're done. You're going to open the car from the outside and step out face forward. You're under arrest.
Speaker 1:So he calls it out right away. You need to step out, you're under arrest. You're under arrest. So he calls it out right away. You need to step out, you're under arrest Now. I'll give this officer credit, because we see too many younger officers or inexperienced officers, because you could be an old-as-fuck officer and still be inexperienced and they'll get in that oodle of show me your hand, step out of the vehicle, show me your hand. And they're not listening, they're not doing anything. This guy's listening, listening. He's having a discussion with this guy. He's not demeaning him, he's not doing any of that. So I was making these points about this video and people were giving me should know he was rude, he shouldn't have been that way and, donna, it was for a traffic offense and he's treating him this way. He was trying to pull over where it was safe for him. No, I disagree on this one.
Speaker 7:So he keeps doing the well, why am I under arrest?
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously you know why you're under arrest, dude, you just didn't pull over and now you want a supervisor. Like that's going to change anything. This is another thing that drives me nuts, like what do you think is magically going to happen when that supervisor arrives? What do you think is going to change? I understand the need for a supervisor when it's necessary. You bet that makes sense when there's a reason. But right now you don't have a reason, you're just doing it to stall. Reason, but right now you don't have a reason, you're just doing it to stall. So here we have an officer that's not calling you all sorts of MFs this MF that he's trying to talk you out of the car Very cordially, considering you failed to stop and he's doing like this weird hybrid felony stop.
Speaker 7:Step out and face forward. That don't matter, he's coming. Trust me, he's coming.
Speaker 1:And he keeps saying I want a supervisor. And he's trying to tell them trust me, he's coming. Did you just hear my dog howl? I did, I did. He's right outside my freaking guest room howling Step out of face forward.
Speaker 7:No, it's not, you're under arrest. Step out of face forward. I don't face forward. No, it's not, you're under arrest. Step out and face forward. No, that's not. You have to pull over when you turn the lights on.
Speaker 1:So he says I don't have to pull over until I feel safe. That's not true. Now, if you can articulate, you didn't pull over because there was a hazard and it makes sense. Yes, and I've seen people do that. I think most cops understand. When you turn your hazards on, there's like there may be something right there. But where it becomes unreasonable is when you don't pull over to the opportunities where there are safe places and you just keep going and like what he was doing. He drove all the way to his apartment complex. That's not reasonable anymore. If you're on a blind turn, if you're on a narrow bridge, wherever that makes sense, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:You know, there's been two times when I've been in pursuits in my career that I've had people call 911 to verify that it was real law enforcement behind them and I have zero issues with that. Dispatch was real quick to come over the radio to tell me to go to a talk channel. Hey, there's a female driving a car, uh, states that your lights look different than the most law enforcement. That she and in one time when I was a canine I had a slick top unit, uh with with uh, a little bit less is visible, uh signage on the side of it and she was concerned. So I immediately turned my siren off. I mean literally, she called 911 immediately. So she tried to communicate like is this? Dispatch was like yes, it's an officer. And then she came back and said I'm going to pull over to Kroger over here on Denton highway and pulled over and and and and did the right thing.
Speaker 2:But she communicated with dispatch because there was a lot of things in the media back then 2005, 2006 timeframe that there was some illicit things going on with non-law enforcement making stops. So I applauded her for that. She definitely didn't run, she didn't increase speed, turned on hazards, called 911. I don't know if this is a cop behind me. I don't remember doing anything wrong, so I applauded her for that. And it was literally, like, I think, a license plate light that burned out, and it's gonna be one of those, you know, go up there. Hey, did you realize your license plate light? No, Okay, great, have a good night. Here's your stuff back, you know, and you're onto the next. But she did the right thing. She she verified before she stopped, because if I was not a law enforcement officer, something bad could have happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm posting this on the chat as well, as I'm going to say it out loud Fleeing and eluding. Fleeing and eluding is the act of a driver intentionally failing to stop their vehicle when signaled to do so by a police officer. Now those definitions are going to vary state to state, but that's the basic premise, the blanket statement of what Fleen and alluding. So, as Mike is trying to say, this cop messed up. They're like Mike, like bro, like there's certain times when 100% we're with you, like bro, there's certain times when 100% we're with you.
Speaker 1:But even most of the people, wade Lucero, who will tell me straight up, I'm out of my rocker when we're wrong, thinks that this cop did a good job. And yeah, there's no way, there's nothing that you're going to say to make me think that this cop messed up and that that's not fleeing Just because he didn't take off at a high speed away from him. He was instructed to pull over by those lights and he failed to do so. And even when asked by the cop, like, why aren't you pulling? I won't pull over where it's safe. No, like you fled, you did not pull over when you were instructed to. That's the agreement you got when you got your license.
Speaker 8:Well, not only that, now they're stopped and you have a police officer pointing a loaded weapon at you, giving you very clear instructions, and you might say, well, he's yelling at him, he's talking loudly. There's a difference between me yelling at you and talking loudly. Talking loudly he's not. There's difference between me yelling at you and talking loudly, because if you ever go to a fast food restaurant, try to talk to someone at the window. You're right there beside them at the window. Your car engine, the fans running, you got your exhaust, you got all kinds of these outside noises. Now roll your windows up. There's a lot of noise cancellation. That happens between you know, inside of vehicles and stuff.
Speaker 8:So when the police officers there, it might seem like they're just yeah but they're just talking loud enough so the person on the other end of the firearm could say hey, these are instructions. These are very clear instructions on what I want you to do. So I turned my lights on and then followed you while you had your four ways on for how many, how long, and then, once you stopped, I've given you clear, very clear verbal commands that you want to debate. Secondly, there's no judge at all present at all. So there's nothing that you're going to debate on the side of the road that you're going to get across.
Speaker 8:You might plead your case. You might say this is why I'm doing this or this is why I did this, but if the officer is going to give you a ticket, you're not going to get into a debate on the side of the road to get out of the ticket. There's nothing that you can say or do on the side of the road that will get you out of the ticket, because that's the police officer, that's not the judge. Oh my God. You plead your case to the judge.
Speaker 1:There's some guys you were doing like you guys do, so good most of the time. But the arguments tonight are out of control. You might as well do a pit maneuver like you did the pregnant lady. He didn't do that, as a matter of fact. There was no, there was no force used on this one. So that's a terrible argument. We're not talking about that other instance, we're talking about this one. And then Brandar 86, talking about that other instance. We're talking about this one. And then Brandar 86. They stopped. So how is that fleeing? That's like saying a person that ran from the cops and then runs out of steam and comes to a stop because he's gassed out, well, he stopped. How is that fleeing? The guy didn't stop for blocks and blocks and blocks where there were plenty of opportunities to stop. That is fleeing. So that is a terrible argument.
Speaker 1:Too many nuances to argue both sides. Get the fuck out of here. No, there's not. There's not nuances, there's the ability to argue things. We can do that about anything. I can do that about Banning's clothes right now.
Speaker 1:They blend in. I don't think you should be wearing them. They're terrible and is gonna go. What are you talking about? They look great, he looks good and green. That was why he was a deputy. We can make nuanced arguments about anything. That is a stupid argument, and when I got mr billfold defending my argument, that tells you something about what you're saying. Look, I'm tired of this cop bullshit too, mike, but I won't condemn an officer who does the right thing. See, and Mr Billfold has the reputation and the credibility and has earned his spot on here to debate things with us because he's fair, even in balance, and doesn't let his emotions take over, uh, his logic and reasoning most of the time. Sometimes he gets really hyped. He does get a little hyped up sometime. We gotta mute him, but he tells us to do that because he sees it coming out.
Speaker 3:So no, and whenever you, whenever you see the lights come on it's not like a game of tag Whenever you make it back home, you're safe. It's just not. Yeah, yeah, you're not going to do the best you can.
Speaker 1:Dig in a bigger hole. Gassed out is different from intentionally stopping. No, it's not. It's not. You made the choice not to stop. You kept going despite knowing he was behind you and then came to a stop. Whether you chose to, you still choose to do it because when you get gassed out, you can still walk, you can still do things. No, he chose to stop.
Speaker 2:And I appreciate all the comments on here and I was reading that one that Mike just wrote underneath the constitutional country girl, the top one there underneath the constitutional country girl, but for the top one there, um, you know, like I, I I explained one of my deals on there when an officer lights you up, okay, I'm going to. I'm going to speak on 95% of them they're ready for you to stop right now. If you fail to stop, depending on the distance, everything's going to be. It's a case-by-case basis on when that turns into failing to yield with a vehicle, that's when it can get dangerous.
Speaker 2:But just know that nine times out of 10, when an officer lights you up, they're ready for you to stop and yield to the right right then in most states, if you fail to do so, it can meet the elements of the offense of failing to yield with a vehicle, which in the state of Texas that's going to be a state jail felony right off the get-go. So try to stop and yield. If you have questions, comments or concerns during that stop, get on that phone and call 911. You know, because if you're not yielding they're going to go into what's called a felony stop, like we were seeing on the video. You can get on the phone and call 911 and do that Absolutely. I just explained the one that I was saying. I had a couple of them during my career.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mike said you literally have the right to find a place you find safe. He should have called dispatch to let the officer know that the citizen had an armed man following him, unwilling, willing to kill a man.
Speaker 8:now I'll do I'll destroy this argument right now. Okay, all right. Okay, so we'll get rid of the all right, he just didn't stop. For however long we'll get rid of that, we'll take that out of the question. Now he has stopped, the police officer is giving him very clear verbal instructions of what to do and instead of doing those, he's in an argument with the officer. You lose any intent, you lose any steam, you lose any argument when you go. I was just looking for a safe place to stop. If we can have a discussion, it's safe. Now you need to follow my instructions. Get out of the car. It's safe Now. You need to follow my instructions. Get out of the car.
Speaker 8:There's nothing here that you get to debate. Those lights come on. You slow down and pull over. You either slow down and pull over because you're getting pulled over, or you slow down and pull over because that police vehicle or that fire truck or the ambulance, that wee-woo, has someplace to go to get to do something important. You're not that important because you don't have the wee-woos to get people out of your way. They do so when they turn those on. You're required by law in every state to yield to emergency vehicles, including slowing down and pulling over. Now, when you slow down and pull over, if the wee-woo behind you slows down and pulls over with, you, continue to slow down and pull over and we're going to continue this until we stop. Where the argument for this one goes out is when he goes. I was looking for a safe place. Okay, when you have your mom standing there on the side of the road. First of all, if you're a grown adult and you have to have your mom.
Speaker 8:I'm going to check your man card there, but there's no argument here that this person wasn't eluding. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to check your man card there, but there's no argument here that this person wasn't alluding. No, he clearly was alluding. They turned their four-way flashes on. Why did you turn your four-way flashes on? Because I seen the vehicle behind me. Okay, so you seen the vehicle behind you with the flashy lights on and you didn't call 911 and you didn't stop. And when you did stop, you realized that it was a uniformed police officer giving you verbal instructions and you still failed to comply. When more uniformed police officers show up, you still failed to comply. You don't get to argue out of this. Take your ticket, go to court.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and OK, I'll speak for Texas, because that's the only thing I can speak for. But in you tell me, deadleg, you were Colorado. The law states that when an emergency vehicle is trying to pull you over, that you have to pull over to the immediate right at the most immediate time possible, and then that that's just how a traffic stop goes. Now I'm with you. If it's an unsafe spot, I would tell people. I'll even try to get over the loudspeaker. If I see them about to pull over, I'm like no, no, no, no, keep going, that's a bad spot, or I'll get up to the vehicle.
Speaker 1:And I've had a car tell me I don't feel safe right here and I said all right, let's go off at the next exit. I'll follow you to the next exit. I'm going to have my lights on. Don't let that fool you, you know, don't let that mess with you. I'm going to follow you to the next exit and just pull over to the side right there. So we'll go there. Now I've try to run from me or anything doing that. But people I think it was, maybe it was Brandar said that he didn't like the word fleeing, I don't know what else you want to call it. It's failure to stop. He's fleeing. It's what it is. He's leaving the scene where it should have been and he continues to go. I don't know semantics on something stupid.
Speaker 2:The guy's in the wrong 100, he's in the wrong all the way, he's in the wrong and in most states and I don't I know people don't want to hear this, but when that officer activates red and blue lights, or blue and blue or red, whatever state you're in, some airports have weird colors when they initiate those lights. Okay, and don't take this out of context to people that are listening when you come to a stop, your vehicle, you, everything in motion has come to a halt. You are technically under arrest until that traffic stop is over. Now you can Google this. Don't come and be this courtside attorney on this. You're technically under arrest.
Speaker 2:So you're either going to go to jail for whatever crime that you committed in that presence review of the officer You're going to be released on a summons, citation ticket, whatever you want to call it, with your court date in mind, or you're going to be given a verbal warning to go on as you please, and that's that's what the law is. So when you're instructed to and I hate those I get it. Those are big words, no-transcript over some things that I wish people would not have run for, and I worked for agencies that had a strict pursuit policy. So either the initiating officer stopping it is articulating a drunk driver, a stolen vehicle, a felony other than the evading the evading with a vehicle. So there's a lot of rules in place and they're getting stricter and stricter on what officers pursue for.
Speaker 2:But as simple as that. If you see red and blues behind you and you verify it's a police car, you pull over, go through it and then have your day in court. I know that's not going to settle most of the audience, but it is what it is on that and you just do that and bring your, of course, video record. If you want to video record stuff, video record it, I suggest doing that. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Mike, sorry bud you haven't earned enough credibility with me for me to even buy that. Unless it's the state of California, then I believe you 100%. That's the only time I'll believe that District attorneys were saying it's okay to pull over in a safe place and law enforcement is very lenient in the fact of if you're on a county road and they light you up, you might be waiting for a pull-off to where there's a city street. That all goes in the effect of well-trained officers that are out there. Okay, they're waiting to pull over. They think it's not safe here. We get that Meaning we in a sense of the law enforcement officers out there. But when you're passing good locations and you keep going, you either increase your speed, you turn your lights off, then you're, you know, the law enforcement officers start to put you know things together and it's more than likely going to be evading. Like I said, that's a case by case scenario yep, and mr billfold nailed it.
Speaker 1:He said these games of semantics are better used in arguments on jurisprudence. We are getting deep in the weeds over how folks feel about the word flee. Yes, absolutely Like I tried to say, it doesn't matter. Say whatever fucking word you want to fill the blank with. It was wrong. He was in the wrong, that's it. That's all we're saying. That's it. Fucking relax.
Speaker 3:That's all we're saying that's it Fucking relax. There was a comment earlier that said well, his driving didn't indicate that he was fleeing. Well you know, yeah, it did.
Speaker 1:He didn't stop.
Speaker 3:He didn't stop. It would probably be a different story if an officer was investigating a drunk driver or something like that way. That guy was driving, he was probably okay, probably wasn't intoxicated or anything like that, but he didn't stop yeah, we still have more to watch, so we haven't even got there yet.
Speaker 1:So let's get there. Let's, because I want you to see them. Take them out of the car, like you guys are getting all butthurt over this and you haven't even seen. I mean, so far he's done nothing to this man other than have a discussion with him during a felony stop, which doesn't happen, by the way, never happens. Most of the time, you see these officers get stuck in an OODA loop and they're just like get out of the fucking car get out of the fucking car.
Speaker 1:Get out of the fucking car. Get out of the fucking car and you're just like holy shit, breathe guy.
Speaker 7:This guy's talking through it. It's on. Oh my gosh, dude, hey, you keep lethal coverage. We're going to have to come up and rip him out. He's not coming out. You're not going to listen to us. You keep your hands out that window. If you don, you come out. Because I wanted to wait for your supervisor.
Speaker 1:I asked for the so he got him right there again. Why didn't you come out? Because I didn't want to. I wanted to wait for your supervisor. That it's not a legal defense, sorry, yeah, like you literally just ran it on yourself. Dude. Plead the fifth. All right, let's go down the list of things. It's beautiful. Take him under arrest, I love it.
Speaker 1:So, for me, part of my problem with that is like all of that for an officer that was as polite as you can be, didn't demean him, didn't use force, and we're all getting worked up over the fact about the word fleeing. This guy failed to stop. Okay, mike, oh Mike, I like it because Mike this is how I know Mike's our guy, despite us going back and forth, you know, it doesn't matter, I like this mike. That is that's respect, brother, I like that. That's. That's very mr billfold like. I will give you that.
Speaker 1:Um, appreciate it. Thank you for the super chat and he goes. I'll show you eluding. So, um, he said he did nothing. He pointed a gun at him. Yeah, he fucking pointed a gun at him. You don't know him from adam dude. Do you know how many times stops like this have occurred while they're building up the confidence and as soon as that car gets stopped, they come out shooting. We got somebody in the house right now, mike, that decided to go up to a door and got blasted by a shotgun from the other side.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he's here to talk to us about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he's still here to talk to us about it.
Speaker 3:I'm all for those unknown situations like that, the officer using the force that he used because A it's protecting him and at the end of the, we all got to go home and at the end of the day, truthfully, we want everybody to go home. We want everybody to go home, even if we're stopping them or arresting them or whatever. You know, we want them to be able to bail out, go home and be safe. B well, getting shot, just kind of shitty That'll ruin your day.
Speaker 3:I mean it really will it's not the most pleasant thing on the planet. Just saying I mean, and the way this officer handled things, dude, you really couldn't ask for more professionalism. I can honestly say I've been involved in several felony stops and out of all of them that I was ever in, probably not one of them was ever like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Not one ever.
Speaker 1:This is where we start going down the stupid rabbit hole. Mike's asking all over what crime Exactly? Here's my problem with that mindset Did the police make the crimes? He didn't make the crime. Two what do you do about crime? That argument would mean the only other option is for cops to try to enforce a law, and the minute somebody doesn't agree with it they have to let it go, no matter what crime it is. This guy's registration was expired so he was doing a traffic stop because that's the law. You have to follow it. I've got to follow it, so this guy's got to follow it. Nobody made that choice but that driver, and you're trying to flip that decision that this man made to do something we all have to do in the United States drive with an updated registration to have insurance. You're saying that we all have to do in the United States. Drive with an updated registration to have insurance. You're saying that we all need to eat that because this guy chose not to and he's calling it an immoral law.
Speaker 2:So I'm wondering where Mike travels to from time to time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that. Immoral or not, I don't make the law on that stuff. That's all what it is. It's not against the Constitution, so it's a law. It's what it is Now. If it's against the Constitution, I've got a huge problem with that. I'm not going to enforce that. If somebody makes the law and says you've got to go take their guns away. Guess what I'm not going to do?
Speaker 8:The other side of that coin is you have people driving around with expired registration. They know that they're gonna get away with it and you get people complaining like why am I paying for my registration where dave down the street's got nine cars, none of them are up to date? Why am I doing it when he has to?
Speaker 1:yep, yep. And now, mike, you're just speculating and talking out of your ass, because I can list a hundred fucking times that I have denied something that was immoral just because it was something that was illegal.
Speaker 2:This is not somebody that changed their name and is not using self-proclaimed anymore, is it?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, oh shit, Ladner did you change your name.
Speaker 1:No, he's not arguing like Ladner, that would be. That would be funny. Ok, so let's. Steve asked he said if you get the information to the license plate and a ticket in the mail. No, because you don't know who it is. Anybody can be driving your car from behind your. Your vehicle doesn't mean that that's you. So, um, jerry jumping in. Oh, there we go, we got our first one tonight, became a member. Thank you, jerry, appreciate that. Um, but uh, as a trial tim follow, complain in our discord. Tim's always got clever ways of bringing people over to this court. I like it. Uh, king Pomegranate, that's a fun name. I like that too. He said high-speed chases fleeing. Low-speed chases also fleeing. That's the law, not a seminar on Oxford English Dictionary.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure there is no set speed in the law that proclaims you to be fleeing or eluding at any point in time. Just the fact that you're refusing to stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it yeah, uh, andy fletcher. Andy brings up a good question. Why do we see povs in police parking lots with expired tags? A lot of times the tags aren't actually expired, they're updated. The stickers just have not been put on by the fleet maintenance.
Speaker 2:That's what I've seen at least does he mean povs meaning so oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:personal vehicles oh well, fuck, you shouldn't see that. No, no, you shouldn't see that at all. I me personally I have caught some of my officers have expired tags and I'm like you're not driving that, yep, don't fucking say here like I don't know tags. And I'm like you're not driving that Yep, don't fucking leave Like I don't know how you got here with it, but you're not driving that You're getting that shit updated.
Speaker 2:I've gone and picked up an officer for almost a week until his check hit so he could get his registrar updated. We're out there to set the example.
Speaker 1:I should say Don't let me. If I'm your supervisor, do not let me catch you with an expired registration.
Speaker 8:Yep, we had a guy write a guy a ticket for no front plate while his car in the parking lot had no front plate. So one of our guys held over and waited for him to get off work and as soon as he pulled out of the parking lot he pulled him over and he wrote him a ticket.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 8:So our own shift got our own guy and then he had to spend a license and that was all fun. That was a whole fun one.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, Craig man, we started it. It's coming in now. Everybody's like all right. I want to Thank you, Craig. Craig gifted five memberships. Just looking to see who got one, If it's anybody that talks all the time.
Speaker 1:Zach does drop his bars from time to time, anybody that talks all the time. Uh, zach does drop his bars from time to time, um, but, yeah, uh, yeah. So with that, thank you very much. That money again goes right back into what we're doing. As you can see, I'm dumping most of the money into the discord guys. That's really the new thing that I'm doing. We're really trying to push that discord. We got lots of good mods on there. Marine bloods is on there, tim's a mod I'm trying to think of who else is modding. Brian thompson's a mod, uh, alan and um deadleg help out on there as well. So, um, eric, uh, mr billfold said eric, there are officers, povs, with the illegal tint in the police parking lots, the same cops who give tint tickets. Long Island Audit did that one. Yeah, now, that's not something I would ever do.
Speaker 1:I personally had illegal tint at one point on a vehicle that I had and got rid of it quick, fast, in a hurry. The car I bought it. It had illegal tint and I was like, oh, I didn't know it was illegal at the time, cause, that's again, it's something I've never enforced. I've never used a tint reader, so I didn't know. I just thought they sold it to me that way, and I've had people tell me that before too. This is how it was sold and I was like, oh, it just looks really dark, and I didn't say shit about it Cause I don't care, it's Texas, it's hot, I understand having to so, but yeah, I tried to drive with it at night and I was like this has got to go. I can't, I can't drive with this. I don't know how people do it. I don't know how you drive with 10 at night. It's crazy, I can't do it.
Speaker 2:You can get premium 10. There's, there's, there's a large popular population of our folks out there that they have major issues with the sun. That's actually creating more accidents and a lot of people don't understand this. So you can also go to your eye doctor here and and get an exemption, at least in the state of Texas, which attaches to your 28 and or your license plate reading. So when the officer runs it, you're going to find out if you have that exemption or not. And it also attaches to your 27 and or your, your persons. When they run you in the system do you have that exemption. So there, there is a way to get an exemption out there for tent, for medical reasons only.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, jerry asked did you guys get YouTube premium?
Speaker 1:Yet yes, we did, we did get premium. Thank you guys. We got it because y'all, again, the money that you guys pump into it, we put it right back into the show. Brandar86, he's been giving us some shit tonight but he's like you know what? I'm going to gift you guys five memberships. So we appreciate that.
Speaker 1:Brandar, no matter how much we get into it on here, guys just know it's just us debating topics. Still love y'all. I'm still love y'all. Uh, it does not. I'm not gonna boot you. I will never mute you and uh, I I don't silence you just because we don't agree on things. So that's, that is what you get when you come to this page.
Speaker 1:Uh, banning must have had to put his kiddo to bed or something. Um, oh, he said he too much water. He had to go pee. Love it. So, brander, thank you very much, brother. Appreciate you, um, but uh, let me get to the next video. Now. This is is the. This is the big one. This is the. Before we get to body cam reviews. This is the one that drives other cops crazy. I argue with more cops on this than I argue with anybody else, so that's the type of topic we're about to deal with and it's something very stupid Trespassing, and when we can ID people, houston's like oh shit, all right, I'm going to share screen, let's see here. Share screen Instagrams. There we go and play and play good how you doing good.
Speaker 5:I'm officer gill um officer hill thank you for identifying yourself. I'm just having a conversation with you do you have identification on you? Do I have identification on me? Of course I do, okay, well, I'd like to see that, because you're being trespassed, so I need your information. You don't need my information yes, I do, you can. Just we got called here, so that's fine. Do you see me?
Speaker 1:breaking in. Okay, I'm going to pause it right there. First off again cops, look at me, look, look look at me. Just because you get called to the fucking scene does not mean you get to see their ID. That's not how that works. You only get the ID if they're under arrest or it's a lawful traffic stop. Okay, so we got nothing else. You don't have a reason.
Speaker 5:ID, it doesn't count, just because you're called the scene. Let's continue. You're currently being trespassed from here. You didn't leave.
Speaker 1:I believe I'm being unlawfully trespassed and if you want to trespass me, go ahead and trespass me, but I'm not, by the way she's saying he's trespassed, and if you want to trespass me, go ahead and trespass me, but I'm not, by the way, she's saying he's trespassed and he's currently on the public sidewalk, so when she got there he was not on property. Okay, um, and I did find out later. Somebody told me that this may be a government facility which makes it accessible to the public, obviously, but uh, I don't know. I none of that information was in there and I I can't necessarily tell from the video, but other people seem to know.
Speaker 5:So anyway, I'm not surrendering my information. You're not getting my identification from me.
Speaker 7:As long as you guys stay on the sidewalk, they're cool.
Speaker 1:So Big Sarge comes out At least I think he's Sarge and clears it up. He's like no, you got no crime on him, you got to let him go, sarge. And clears it up. He's like no, you got no crime on him, you got to let him go. You don't get his ID.
Speaker 5:This is how I hope Sarge's will be as long as I stay on the sidewalk. They're cool On the public area.
Speaker 4:I don't need him to think I'm cool to stand on a sidewalk, that's none of his business what I'm doing.
Speaker 5:You can do whatever you want to. Don't go on the property because they they were if I find out that this, I'm going to look it up on onyx right now, and I'm going to make some phone calls and if I find out this is public property, I certainly am going back on the property and then you guys can come back out here and do whatever you think you want to do.
Speaker 1:That's up to you all right, this one, we got a first, all right, and so, um, I don't disagree with them on that. I'm going to stop sharing, uh, so here comes in a debate. So here comes in a debate.
Speaker 8:There's a process that you have to go through.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, and now we're going to talk about trespassing criminal trespass versus trespass warning. A trespass warning is civil there's no crime that's occurred. And that can only happen if you're still on property when the officer arrives and they tell you that this guy is not allowed to be here. So now you can detain and tell the guy hey, I got to write this criminal trespass for you, I'm sorry, this trespass warning for you. So you can detain for a second while you fill out the sheet and give it to them. Now the problem that people have, especially officers, is they've got this nifty little notepad and they think that because they've got this pad that has a criminal trespass or, I'm sorry, trespass warning information on there, that they have a right to ID. They understand how that can be tricky because it has name, date of birth on there. It does not give you the right to ID them, and this is where the debate I have with other cops is If they don't ID, the question I have is what offense do you have? What is the law in your state to be able to ID somebody? I guarantee most of them that I've seen is that they are under arrest or it's a lawful traffic stop. Other than that you cannot compel them. They are not obligated to ID, and failure to ID is a secondary offense to an arrest, it's not a primary offense. So that's where this argument starts to come in that I have with people. I'm like so, if you're trying to fill out your little form, are they under arrest? No, was it a traffic stop? No, so why do they have to ID? Well, because I got to fill out this form and I was called to the scene.
Speaker 1:And this is a trespass. I'm like right, you have to afford them the ability to leave. That's what a trespass is. You tell them hey, you're no longer welcome here. Now the person that's the representative of the business is the one that's supposed to tell them. A lot of times they try to pass the buck on the officer. Can you tell him that he's no longer welcome? I always make them no, you have to tell him. If you don't want to tell him, then he's going to be coming back. So now they got to come out and say hey, you're no longer welcome here. Hey, sir, here's a trespass warning, you're no longer welcome back here.
Speaker 1:For a year that's usually how long they last in any state that I've seen. And then after that, if they refuse to leave, now you have criminal trespass. Or if they come back within the year, you have criminal trespass. And they go to jail. Now they, they have to ID and people are like, well, how am I supposed to know who they are?
Speaker 1:You either do a little police work by taking a picture with your body cam, getting picture from the business, writing down a really good description hey, he had a Mickey Mouse tattoo behind his ear on the left side, whatever it is. They can make a reasonable argument the next time that person shows up and said, hey, we had him trespassed. Uh, he showed back up. Now you have a credible third party witness and you've got the descriptors or a picture and that's all going to go into your case building. So now you can arrest them. You have to be creative. You can't be a lazy cop and say, ooh, if I don't have his name, how do I do it? How did we do it before? How did we ever arrest a bad guy without knowing their name? You know you got to put a case together, guys. That is how this criminal trespass shit works. So you don't have a right to their ID. I will fight you to the death on this one Banning. What do you got?
Speaker 8:I'm right there with you on it period, same thing what do you got Deadleg so I was the head of security at a mall and we hold on, don't gloss over that. You were head of the security at a mall at the 7th largest mall in the state of Hawaii in the state of Hawaii if we're trying to get into a measuring contest, 7 contest, largest in the state of hawaii yeah, okay, we were across the street. Uh, at the time, oh, this is a while ago were you a thousand?
Speaker 1:were you a cop before or?
Speaker 8:after. Before I was an mp, before this was. This was like a little bit of like interim period when I first got to hawai, hawaii, before I got into government contracting. So I got hired by this company. Anyway, we were across the street from a high school and we had a movie theater. So we had issues on a regular basis with teenagers and stuff that we had to trespass people.
Speaker 8:So from the get-go usually it's a business to a party, but from the get-go the call that comes out it is a civil complaint between two parties that are having a disagreement, that one party says I don't want them here and the other party won't leave. So all you do when you get there is the police officer. You go, hey, tell them they can't be here. And they go, hey, you can't be here, all right, you can't be here. They told you can't be here. You go, all right, you can't be here. They told you you can't be here. That's what you've done as a police officer. You're just kind of mediating or you're just the person in between. You don't get ID. It's a civil thing. Now, if they continue to stay, then you're trespass after warning. That's an arrestable offense. That's something you get an ID for for, so that everything on that from from the trespass after warning, that all of that is on the mall or on the facility or whoever's maintaining those records it's all on you, because that's becomes a civil thing. And then if it comes to an arrestable stuff, the prosecution is going to come out. They're going to ask you hey, do you have records of this? Because if it comes out, once it goes to court. Because this is what happens. You know what people don't understand a lot of times. Once it goes to court, the prosecutor gets I don't even want, we won't even mess with this case, and you don't even see inside a courtroom, they'll just dismiss with prejudice. So you don't even see. You know, nobody gets to see the end of the case.
Speaker 8:But there's a whole procedure before you get to the go to id someone and it's not until they've actually been warned, been told that they can't be there, yep, been told that they can't be there in the presence of law enforcement, and then they continue to be there. Now you've you fail to comply with an instruction by a police officer. Which it's either trespass after warning or fair to comply with the police officer. Which which one of the ones do you want to go with, but there's a, that's a. It's a big civil thing.
Speaker 8:Government stuff becomes really different. But even then, like the First Amendment, auditors, where the public can easily have any access to they, can do anything that you can have and do in the public. You can do that there too. That includes taking pictures and taking video and recording and drawing maps. You can do whatever you want. Now, that's not saying that you on the other side of the government can't go. Hey, kind of suspicious, and I'm going to just keep an eye on this person. It's kind of what you do you see and you counter see and you see and counter surveillance and stuff like that. But this the, the trespass and it's. You can't just go straight to id. Yeah, like it's, you can. You can ask for it, you can ask all you want. They don't have to go to you. Yeah, as soon as they shut it down to go. No, I don't have to. Okay, cool, well, they told you you can't be here. I'm telling you you can't be here.
Speaker 1:If you want to come back and file a complaint afterwards, other than that than just Joe Blow citizen. So a lot of times in opportunities to ask for ID, like you're talking about, I always let them know that they have the right to say no. I want them to know that I want to be as fucking transparent and fair as I can be. So when I do ask you because I know I don't have a right to it, I'm going to say, hey, you don't have to give me your ID. You're not legally obligated to. But can I get your ID? I'm just going to use it for this. I'm going to fill this information in, tell them why I want it and what I'm going to use it for.
Speaker 1:I've gotten in this debate with people a lot on here because they're like just because you can doesn't mean you should. I don't think that asking for somebody's ID is a bad thing, especially if you inform them of their rights. Now if you try to trick them or you know you imply that it's something they need to give, without saying they need to give like, I think that's wrong. But Brandar said Eric, do you think any officer should ever ask do you want them trespassed? Would that constitute solicitation. What Absolutely that would be solicitation. And no, I don't bring it up. I'm not bringing it up. It's not our job to bring it up. That's not. I could give a shit less. If you want somebody on your property or not, tell me. All right, cool, I'll get them off. But if you're not telling me that, well, I'm not again.
Speaker 1:Soliciting things is just like you know, soliciting like it's not. I don't think that's right. I'm not going to put it in your head. No, I'm not going to ask them. So yeah, that's where I stand on that. Mike. What the fuck? You confused the shit out of me.
Speaker 1:Out of all the things that you have a problem with. You don't have a problem with asking for ID, which is insane, because the majority of the people that listen to us and talk to us they hate that, and I get it. That's one of the places we have a little sticking point, but you're all right with it. You confuse me, man, I don't understand you. What up, king?
Speaker 2:Pomegranate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like his name.
Speaker 2:Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1:This is from king prom. Again, king pomegranate. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't have to be on property to get a trespass warning. Similarly, similarly, a no trespassing sign can be considered a trespass warning, in and of itself still not criminal, though, not true? Um, so you definitely cannot be trespassed from a place that you're not on site. An officer's got to see you on there regardless. Um, there there is a slight caveat with the dawn of technology. Um, I have had clerks at like a seven 11.
Speaker 1:It was like here I am videotaping this guy and I told him to leave and he told me to go fuck myself. I'm going to wait for the police to get here and they got it on video. And then when I get there, the guy's still on scene and he's like you never told me to leave. You guys like yes, I did. And he shows the video and I'm like all right, you're under arrest because that that constitutes criminal trespass. You were told to leave and you did not. You were told to leave leave by a representative of the business or the owner or whatever it is, and you didn't leave.
Speaker 1:But hold on real quick A lot of times. And here's where cops, I think, get confused. And here's how they get confused Most of the time when they have to deal with a trespass, it's in lieu of an arrest anyway. So the person's under arrest and you'll have the clerk come over. I want him trespassed, I want him to come back anymore. So now you get their ID because they're under arrest. It's, that's part of the arrest process. So now you get their ID and then you add that to criminal trespass warrant. So that's normal. It's very. It's less. It happens less that you have to just trespass somebody and there's no other offense. Has that been your guys' experience?
Speaker 8:It's usually something else with it. They were shoplifting, or they were tagging and spray painting, or they were there was other criminal mischief stuff with it. They were shooting people with paintball guns, shooting people with airsoft guns. They're committing armed robbery. Trying to think of all the things that we've. Uh, they said explosives off in the parking lot. Um, they created a riot at burger king. Uh, I'm just trying to think of all like the big ones that we trust my people from yeah, yeah, stealing shop living, all that like.
Speaker 8:Yeah, there's always a another thing with it.
Speaker 1:Like, you committed this crime on our property and we don't like criminals on our property, so you're not allowed on here anymore yeah, and julie n said um, she's like I've seen so many videos asking do you want them trespassed, and I will tell you 100. I think that's wrong, um, if you guys have those videos, please, please, send them on our Discord. I'll do a reaction video to those all day long.
Speaker 2:I'll call you out on that. The only time I would you know, if they ask you, officer, what can we do to prevent this person to come back, then you come out with the only thing is enforce a. Is a enforceable by law enforcement, is a criminal trespass. And that's the totality. You know, if they come and ask you for knowledge on what they can do, for the totality of everything that's going on, then you are you. You have to answer that, you know, and it's.
Speaker 2:It was very few and far between but but Houston and I dealt with that a lot up here in a rural area. If they asked you, then yes, you, you, you tell them, but we don't go and solicit hey, man, do you want a criminal trespass? So we don't come back. And that's the practice that we gave. We don't. We don't give that to a person.
Speaker 2:When we get there, they have to ask what their, what their rights are on the property that they own, on asking somebody to leave. So we've been to plenty of them, to where they're like I just want them out of here. Cool, we'll make them leave and they're gone. We'll make them leave. That doesn't mean tomorrow they can't come back. You know what I'm saying. And then it's the same call. You're coming back to it. What else can we do? And then they're asking you for what other laws under the state do we have to keep them out for whatever egregious action that got us sent there to begin with? So then you have to tell them just to be the right thing, but we don't sit there and hold out a card. Do you want to criminal trespass these people? And I know those videos are out there yeah, most good agencies won't, and that's a good point.
Speaker 1:That is a good point. There are times when they're asking well, what can I do? Well, then, yeah, I'm gonna tell them, like well, that the option is criminal trespassing or a trespass warning. And then they're like, what is that? And then I explain this is what a trespass warning is. So that's different. That's, that's a request that you're you're filling in the blanks, um, because they were asking and they don't know, um, which that's totally different than when you show up on scene and you haven't even talked to the part anybody. You just see the clerk and you're like you want this guy criminally trespassed, you want him trespassed and you start doing that shit. I've seen those videos, mr billfold being an asshole, eric, I will send them again.
Speaker 3:Listen I don't know how many. I don't know how many times me and Banning had to argue with a quote unquote superior officer to certain things like that too. Yeah, and we would. We would get into arguments in the office over said offenses and basically we would just tell that alleged superior officer what an idiot he was and we would walk away and I'll get, I'm gonna, I'm gonna capitalize on this because this happens in a lot of rural areas.
Speaker 2:uh. So yeah, yeah, you're in. We would get a phone call through dispatch stating so. And so was on the property yesterday and they don't want them back. The complainant business owner wants to speak to you.
Speaker 2:So the norm prior to Houston and I arriving was law enforcement would say. They would come to, let's just say, a Mexican restaurant. Law enforcement arrive and say Joe Schmo was here yesterday and he raised his voice several times to the cashier. So we've decided we want to put a criminal trespass on him. Go issue issue to it. Now, when was? When was Joe Schmo here? Well, joe Schmo was here. We understand it's four o'clock on Thursday, but he was here four o'clock on Wednesday. So go issue him the warning.
Speaker 2:And times passed prior to our arrival, law enforcement would go to Joe Schmoe's address small town, everybody knows him and they would issue a criminal trespass for an incident that occurred the day prior. And the judiciary everything from from a county judicial all the way to the district would recognize that. And that is not how the law is written. And, as you know, we've spoke about this several times on the show on criminal trespass. When the officer comes there and the officer is observing the warning to be issued and that person is still on the property, that's when the business owner, homeowner, whoever is asking for the trespass, when it can be issued, nine times out of ten the arrest is not occurring that day, but as if they violate that. After the fact of homeowner, business owner gives the warning, officer concludes In some counties it's a signed thing, y'all, both sign on it, everybody's got a copy.
Speaker 2:Dispatch gets a copy. So when in three months, if the person violates it again and you run the person, by the way, there's a criminal trespass on this person at the property you're at, verify it's there, they can enact that. By the way, there's a criminal trespass on this person at the property you're at, verify it's there and act that. But up here it was done very I'm going to call it 60s, 70s style, before the laws were changed a little differently to better suit and unfortunately that's how it was working up here. Do you have anything to add on that?
Speaker 3:No, everything that you're saying is absolutely correct. I don't know how many times I've actually told people. You know well, your guy's not here, your problem is solved. He's not there. I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go chase somebody down to just go give them a simple little piece of paper. Down, to just go give them a simple little piece of paper when chances are, especially in the small towns by next week they're going to be making up anyway, and that way they got a new rumor on Susie Q down the road. Then they got somebody else to talk shit on whatever. No, you're correct, manny Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get to a video. No, you're correct, benny. Yep, yeah, let's get to a video. We have not gotten to a video yet. Tonight we got to our videos, but let's get to the body cam review part.
Speaker 1:So if you've never done the body cam review, this is what we do. We watch videos that we have never seen. If anybody on the panel has seen them, they're going to own up to it and say I've seen this one, so I'm not going to make any judgments on this. And when I say judgments, we pretend that we're the officer in the body cam. So you can kind of see how the call gets broken down as we go.
Speaker 1:It's kind of a unique view on policing and you get to see how a guy that was a cop in Hawaii or a guy that was a cop in Colorado, or a guy that was a cop in North Texas or a guy that was a cop in other states and stuff like that, me Been a cop in Michigan and Texas. So we all have these different trainings, but we all kind of have similar ways that we would handle things. Some of us are very different in the way we'd handle things and you guys get to see that and talk about that, so it's kind of fun. It's a different thing. Tonight. Everything that we're going to be watching is off of police activity on youtube. So shout out to police activity.
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Speaker 1:Okay, let's go. It's only a minute and 33 seconds so it's very short. We've got. So we, you just gave the stop. You see the red and blues. He's taking off. Okay. So I'm not a big fan of chasing motorcycles, but given the road conditions, I'm gonna maybe follow him for a little bit and see what he does. He's already taken off at a high speed, so I'm probably not gonna chase this guy that far. I'm probably gonna get up to about this curve and I'm gonna. I'm gonna call it or or up to that car and I'm going to call it. That's me. Anybody different, would you?
Speaker 8:call this fleeing and eluding the other video. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Maybe if he puts his hazards on now he's fine, because he's just trying to go to his mom's apartment.
Speaker 2:I just hope it's not in a certain county that may get hit in the earth.
Speaker 4:Oh, you were thinking the exact same shit.
Speaker 1:I was oh my god, bam, settle down you tons of bitches, let's go 13.
Speaker 8:13 looks like he's trying to take off with his bike just after.
Speaker 1:Oh no, he's right I don't hear it.
Speaker 8:Do any of you guys?
Speaker 8:ride this back on my intersection I don't, but I do so banny will understand with motorcycle Cause we had a problem with motorcycles running from us in Hawaii. With motorcycles, specifically, they're in a helmet. So now they have a helmet on their head and we're past 2003. So everybody's got more than an iPod or something and AirPods in their ears. So you got a helmet and then AirPods and all that other stuff. So with motorcycles, so with motorcycles, especially with motorcycles, when I would hit my lights I would definitely give them quite a bit of siren, but I'd give them a little bit more leeway. Before I was like, okay, this one's for sure running, because there's like there's things that they're indicating that they're doing. They're trying to get through the gears real fast, like you can see if they look and they see you, but if sometimes, like they may not see you or just doesn't look like they see you, that may be the case they legitimately don't see you or don't hear you, yeah, not giving them an out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, no, you're right. But now here's the question Is it no longer fleeing because he's stopping, Even though he's stopping, even though, even though he stopped way sooner than the other car that didn't stop and got to an apartment complex, oh, he's got a gas pan on him. Look at your boy. All right, I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give your boy credit for effort. He tried to run his bike away. He tried to run his bike away. Oh, my god, I wish you guys could see what I see on discord right now. I am, I'm actually I am going to, I'm going to take a little clip. I just want to know that little timmy, I see timmy, sleepy guys, I'm saving this picture and it is going on my. It's definitely going on our social media page. Tim is out. I love it. Um, so anyway, uh, this guy tried to run his bike, so so, yeah, you're getting tackled, bro. I mean, you are actively showing me. You're trying to get away, even though the jigs up. Yep, anybody else got anything different?
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:Let's see what his tackling form looks like Wade comment of the night. He's looking for a safe spot to pull over Right. Oh my gosh, my boy is trying. I mean, hey, he's trying. Yep, pull him down, get on the ground, get on the ground. Hey, give the offer credit. He's not just beating the shit out of this guy. You gotta be very odd and see for anybody driving by boys in the middle of the road. That's it. Now I see why you laughed dead leg, lovely. Let me, uh, let me go over to the comments here and see what people are saying on this one. That was, uh, that was fucking entertaining. Uh, why did the cop have to hurt?
Speaker 8:that's right why did?
Speaker 1:my cop have to hurt the poor bike. It didn't do anything to run from the cops.
Speaker 1:It was being held hostage justice for suzuki what's that justice for suzuki why tackle him and damage the property? Yeah, because you ran from me. I don't give a shit about the property. Um, getting you under arrest quick, fast, in a hurry, because when we hesitate, people get hurt, everything amplifies. When you hesitate, you don't handle business up front. Marine blood said. I believe there are some states where it's illegal to have both ears plugged in while operating a vehicle. I would think that that would be a thing. I don't think you should be. Riding around on a motorcycle and listening to music, I don't know. It seems awfully dangerous. I don't know. What are you laughing about? Banning?
Speaker 2:I'd see a comment from Centurion Tattoo.
Speaker 1:It's just making me giggle a little bit Centurion tattoos just making me giggle a little bit.
Speaker 8:It's always funny, he says how is banning going to be on lives now? Aol, the chat is on fire tonight.
Speaker 2:The funny thing is is I saw that earlier come through on a real that aol dial up literally just got canceled this week and they were one of the first platforms for for.
Speaker 1:They were the first yeah, first platforms for for yeah, they were the first I remember getting discs from mcdonald's for a minute to be online. That's when the struggle was real, y'all. When the struggle was real, you'd be walking. You got any of those minutes? You got any of those internet minutes? I'm uh running low.
Speaker 1:Mom, get off the phone, I'm downloading, yeah, yeah damn it, mom, I was almost done with my bone thugs and harmony cd fucked it up. All right, let's go to the next video here, share screen. There we go share. All right, let me, uh, go back just a little bit. I started playing this one. Oh, this is 11 minutes. Let me go to another video first. I don't want to try to stay five minutes or under.
Speaker 8:That's what she said.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly, let's go to this one, all right. Biggie size, oh, biggie size, there we go and play. Viewer discretion advised.
Speaker 8:Why does every LAPD shooting have a RV parked on the side of the road Right?
Speaker 1:So whoever that kid was on the bike was who they're looking for. Maybe that's not a kid he looks like a grown man. Can I help you out on the way to work?
Speaker 8:We're at the recycling center, it's because it looks like you have a gun inside your pocket. Oh, no, no. You need a bike too.
Speaker 4:You need brakes on the bike also, is that it yeah?
Speaker 1:Okay, if I'm telling this person it looks like they have a gun in their pocket and that's what I'm concerned of I'm not gonna let said person start digging around in their pockets. I'm curious why we're making contact with this guy. I feel like the the 9-1-1 audio was supposed to tell us that. Did we hear anything?
Speaker 8:oh no, there was none there was none that the other case than I want one idea oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right, okay. Well, let's, let's keep going. Yeah, I'm not for me. The minute I start pointing out a gun, you start digging in that same area. I'm grabbing your wrists, anybody different? I'm gonna do a pat down and figure out what the fuck that is. If I think it's a, I mean, I just articulated, I think it's a gun, so I'm gonna do just articulated. I think it's a gun, so I'm going to do a pat down. But it all depends on why I'm making contact. I got to have a lawful reason to go make contact with this guy. I'm not just stopping rando dude going down the road and be like is that a gun in your pocket? So let's see.
Speaker 4:Just hop off really quick man.
Speaker 5:We'll get you out of here. Bye, we're out there riding like this here all night.
Speaker 4:You need breaks, bro, all night.
Speaker 1:We'll get you out of here. I'm going right there. You guys can go with me. Oh, he was digging too damn that was like point blank, all right. Well, I don't really need to tell you what I would do from here. I think all you guys would agree like oh 100 find a safe place to stop. Yeah, uh, but all of a sudden, yeah, find a safe place, but, sir, you need to pull over up here. You didn't have your hazards on, so yeah have the shootout in the street.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this guy is definitely going to shoot back, can? I just say it's 2025. Why do we not have lapels or some sort of wireless mic or something? You guys should not be pulling your radios out to use them.
Speaker 8:It's a West Coast old school thing, oh my God. They did it in Hawaii all the time too, and I try to break the guys out there of that.
Speaker 4:It's stupid.
Speaker 1:You just tied your hands up for stupid Dumb. All right, let's keep going. You need a bike.
Speaker 7:You need Brooks on the bike also. Should I do?
Speaker 4:Yeah, just hop off really quick, man. We'll get you out of here, but we're rubbing right at this shit all night. You need brakes, bro.
Speaker 7:All night. Just hop off real quick, we'll, I'm going right there, you guys can come with me and then face the way I got it.
Speaker 1:Should have saw that coming, bro. Like just half step to the right. Yeah, how did you not see that? Did anybody else see that coming?
Speaker 2:I mean, it was obvious. And Marine Blood asked why no lapel mics? And all that means is the officers are wearing a radio on their belt and with a microphone and a speaker that come up and they can either put in an earpiece or whatnot, and lapd typically does not use a lapel. It's, uh, that is, I believe, furnished by the officer and only allowed in certain districts of the city.
Speaker 1:I could be wrong yeah, so that's fucking crazy to me. Anyway, I saw the signs that he was going to take off. You could see just the way he edged and moved and didn't want to be stopped. And they questioned him about the gun, all of that. So I'm not sure why.
Speaker 4:Oh shit, fuck, Drop fire, drop fire. Officer needs help. Drop fire Officer needs help. Why see?
Speaker 8:how it's difficult to return fire when you have a radio in your hand.
Speaker 1:It's motherfucker, why? Why do you cops get so fixated on calling for help when you need to help yourself? Your partner got shot at point blank. I don't know if he got hit. It looked like he got hit Point blank and your instinct was not to shoot rounds back at the guy shooting at both of you.
Speaker 2:It was to get on the radio and ask for other people to come there and help you. More likely this was a pretextual. I'm thinking they had more information on this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does seem like like they didn't just come up upon this guy, there was something was called in, but we don't know that. We're speculating. We'll find out, hopefully, in the in the details afterwards, when we get done, we'll read those. But yeah, that is um, yeah, I don't know. Uh, wade lucero said in la baggy shirt or hoodie they got a glock or draco. Oh shit, yeah, marine blood, get off the radio. Thank you, thank you. Officers, start training yourself. Do not handle business, handle business. I'm not saying do not handle, but I'm saying do not get on the radio, handle business, jeez. Okay, let me ask you a question here. Uh, gas, when you got shot in the face, was your first reaction to get on the radio and say I need help?
Speaker 3:people get here I'm thinking that's a no. Um, my, my first thought was, uh shit, what just happened? And then, uh the the next thing I heard nobody else was getting on the radio. They were laying down cover fire yeah, nobody was on the radio.
Speaker 1:they, they were handling business Centurion, bringing it back Cullors, cullors. Vinny Pac-Man. That's a great movie. Nah, son, let's walk down there, fuck them all. I like it. Okay, let's keep going. Oh wait, let me share the big screen there.
Speaker 8:Okay, why are they still rocking?
Speaker 1:the crown Vic, the big screen there. Are they still rocking the crowd vic? Oh bro, they have yeah they've got I'd be jealous.
Speaker 4:You need brakes on the bike also, serio, yeah, yeah, just hop off really quick, man, we'll get you out of here. What? We've been riding like this here all night. You need brakes, bro, all night. Just hop off really quick, we'll get you out of here. Look, I'm going right there.
Speaker 5:You guys can go with me. Step off the bike please. Yes, sir.
Speaker 4:Face away. Holy shit, oh fuck, oh shit, fuck Shit. Shots fired off. Any help? Yes, sir, yeah.
Speaker 1:There was definitely more to it. Did you guys see that there was a patrol car that went flying by?
Speaker 8:Yeah, they were immediately right there.
Speaker 1:They were looking for this dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they were definitely looking for this guy what nobody, uh, what nobody really even seems to understand, is how quickly this stuff happens. Uh, blink of an eye, man, that guy had a gun in his hand and now we've got a completely different situation there. Now we've got an active murderer on our hands, and not just your normal everyday suspect that you're looking to question about something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right, let's keep going. Yeah, this was a car I saw zooming by.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this was a car I saw zooming by. Oh, good tackle.
Speaker 8:That's our third patrol unit there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, dude that was a fucking pro tackle though.
Speaker 5:I'm going to fucking shoot you. I'm going to fucking shoot you dude May.
Speaker 4:It was panic when he southbound. Hey, right here I'm going to fucking shoot you, dude, boom that was a little crazy oh his body can't pull off.
Speaker 1:Oh no, they're communicating Not on the back of the neck, which people would be proud about.
Speaker 4:Oh God, get your hands off. Oh God, oh God, oh God.
Speaker 8:All right, I have a question for the people that are arguing in the chats about the reason for the stop. Did he not just pull a gun and try to shoot two police officers? I'm going to go ahead and guess that they had some reason. It's probably not just a random stop, google protection.
Speaker 2:There's going to be other stuff that we're not aware of in this video. Yeah, google protection. There's going to be other stuff that we're not aware of in this video. They used a simple probable cause for the stop whether it be a bike law, a pedestrian law or sidewalk law to stop an interview period, and I'll argue till the sun comes up tomorrow morning on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, OK. So I mean, they came up and instantly asked him about the gun. So that's the, that's the question. So let's see here I am reading the. Let me share the screen. You guys can actually see it. Share screen. Oh, maybe you can't read that, Maybe you can Too old for that shit man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, read good. Yeah, I know, read good good. So it's a southwest area uniformed gang enforcement detail. So it's gang officers um conducting patrol in western avenue corridor, uh, near martin luther king park um. Officers observed the suspect, later identified as 26 year old ernesto I'm not going to pronounce his last name riding a bicycle north on the sidewalk. The officers believe whatever had possessed a handgun and initiated a pedestrian stop. Okay, I don't like that. I don't like that. Read that one more time.
Speaker 1:Unless you know he's a gang member. That's a different thing. But they said officers believe that Sepulveda possessed a handgun and initiated a pedestrian stop on the 3900 block of Southwestern Avenue.
Speaker 2:So this, this, this is what I want to know in the actual narrative of the officer. Did they have a further evidence of that, because I have a problem with it too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't. I don't like somebody just because you see that they have a gun.
Speaker 3:I agree with you in that. But in the People's Republic of California the laws are so much different there that, and believe me, I don't agree with California laws. But based on everything that they're doing in California right now for the way their laws are written, that could be probable cause. I'm not well versed on California law okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get that. Now, if it's somebody known to you, you know that they're a gang member. Gang members are not allowed to have guns. Correct, I understand that, but we don't have that. So that's not what it says here. Anyway, again, this isn't the report that we're reading, so we're not sure there may be more to it, but, based on what this says, just stopping them because you see a gun no, I need more. I need more. That's not enough for me 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and again, that's the difference in the states that you live in. This is not going to fly in Texas.
Speaker 2:And I would ever blame when what's the name of the YouTube people that were getting the firm police activity? Yeah, when they do a FOIA Freedom of Information Request and then they ask for the details, they're getting what's called public details so people understand A lot of that stuff is redacted and then opinion-based, can be placed in there. What I want to see, in reference to a law enforcement officer, is the actual narratives and supplements that go along with this report, because there are some things I believe only because my experience in this that we're not seeing, that's not available to the public yet and I would assume it's because it hasn't gone to trial. And again, I'm reaching the straws here. But, based on the cases that I personally worked, I'm hoping, in reference to law enforcement, that there's something here in the investigative task at hand that we're not seeing, that there's something here in the investigative task at hand that we're not seeing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the question was asked. Somebody said why are gang members prohibited In the state of Texas? If you're a documented gang member meaning you claim a set, you claim being in a gang no, you're not allowed to carry a handgun. That's where all your violence comes from and that is it's not allowed. Like, you can't have a gun. That's what it is. They've already been arrested for being a gang member and committing violence, so they have a violent past and all of that. So, no, they're no longer allowed to have a gun.
Speaker 8:Um, I was doing some googling to see if I could find more about it, and even in the statement from the district attorney's office, he was charged with two counts of attempted murder of a police officer after the stop and the stop was they? He was riding a bicycle on July 5th this is from the statement Two officers attempted to question the defendant, who was riding a bicycle, with that what appeared to be a gun in his pocket. Within a few seconds, sepulveda pulled the gun out and fired at the officer, striking one of them in the leg. The gun also was a ghost gun. It had no serial number on it as well.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you had to okay, but they would have never known that if they didn't make the stop to begin with, which I didn't agree with the stop.
Speaker 2:Is the DA? If the DA is making that comment and I know California has got some weird, even more strict laws than Texas does in reference to bicycles being driven in a public place I mean you've got to have it doesn't matter if it's three o on there, to be activated once the sun goes down, which gives officers probable cause to initiate a stop. So if you're going to be going out there doing criminal things, you've got to have a bike that meets the standards in the state of California for the state laws for that. And if they can stop you for that based on the penal code of the traffic code in the state of California, then they can stop you for it. Go after the legislators, don't go after peace officers, yeah.
Speaker 1:On that part of it. Yeah. And then somebody asked can you be a gang member without being arrested or being convicted of violence? I don't think so. I think they go hand in hand. I don't think you can just get documented. It seems like a round. I don't know enough about that. To be honest, I've never been a gang guy. I've never been a gang officer. I just loosely understand what it is that they do, and from my understanding they can. Only I don't know. I'm talking out of my ass, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:I think they document them once they've been arrested.
Speaker 2:I think that's how it works of a violent crime.
Speaker 1:Somebody said it was a loaded question and I just had to giggle yeah, so yeah, no. And somebody had mentioned in the comments that that's unconstitutional. No, I don't agree. Your constitutional rights are protected as long as you're being lawful. Yes, those constitutional rights disappear the moment that you are infringing on somebody else's rights to a pursuit of happiness and life and liberty.
Speaker 2:Correct. You're talking about your movement being stopped. Your movement being stopped for illegal contact is what we are stating.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So you have to look at state law in a specific state of where the video is period. If they have followed that, meaning the peace officers. If there is a state law justification in reference to the vehicle code, which a bicycle is a vehicle, and I don't give a shit about people saying they're traveling here, they're traveling there All those laws are in effect and there's a reason for it. If you don't like the laws, go after the legislators.
Speaker 1:Or go to a different state. Yeah, that's the other thing. Yes, I hate the laws in California. I ain't never going over there. I love the laws in Texas. There are some I Like I should be able to paint my chicken any color I want. But you can't in Texas. You can't paint your chicken unnatural colors.
Speaker 2:Throw. I think that's his first pirate truck Throw that comment up. That's an important comment.
Speaker 1:Do cops typically know things like fruit of the poisonous tree? And not to initiate stops? That will just have the evidence suppressed. Yeah, 100%. And that's what we're getting at with this. Stop, we don't. I don't see in the state of texas that that's not a reason to stop somebody. You can't just say that guy's got a gun. I'm gonna go pull him over and make sure that that's a gun.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, well, carry everything. Texas is a constitutional carry state, whereas I don't think, uh, california even knows what the constitution is yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 1:So um, yeah, that's. Uh, that's what that is. All right, let me go to the next video. There we are. Here we go, share screen that biggie size. Oh wait, that was the video we just watched. I'm an idiot, I think this did we watch. Oh yeah, we did watch that one. Sorry guys, standby, share this tab instead. There we go, biggie size and go hey, he's going up on the curb okay, so in this one, yeah, I'm gonna get back in my damn car.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna be out there and get run over. Um, I'm not sure why we're here, but uh, we've already got offenses on scene. He's driving up on the sidewalk recklessly um crazy, and the video just started out hot, so like that's another weird thing to me. So let's see how this goes let's go look at first safe spot. Yeah, he's not fleeing, he's just parking. It muted itself. By the way, I didn't mute, they've probably given no address. Oh, there's a car, he's going to hit us. Watch out, he just hit a pigeon.
Speaker 7:Come on, I got my gun off. All right, you're good. Go, he's going to bail. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:Stay in your car If you think they're going to bail. Your car keeps going. You don't need to get out yet. Guys, that's a rookie move. I'm going to stay in my car until I can't stay in my car.
Speaker 2:Oh, I chase my foot in the car until you can't do it. No more, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I'm going to chase you While you're running on foot. My car is. I'm not wasting any energy until I have to, so alright.
Speaker 3:See, that's just wisdom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in this one I'm staying in the car. That one officer that said that he's been out there a year. Listen to what we're saying. We're going to save you energy, time, and you're going to be able to arrest people a lot better. See, and this is why you stay in your car, you could have saved time like this. Now you had to get back in the vehicle, you to put it back in a drive. He backed into our cruiser again he stopped over here.
Speaker 1:He so worked up. This officer is worked up, he's going two miles an hour 340 in the morning too. Yeah, yeah, I don't think you expect this at 3 40 in the morning. How many times are we going to keep doing this? How many times are we going to try to get out of the car when they're still in their vehicle?
Speaker 2:it's time to disable the vehicle. Yeah, oh, yeah, it doesn't matter about policies and procedures. He's already utilizing his vehicle as a battering ram. Yeah, it's time to take it out and articulate it very well in the report Do it with as least injuries as you can and take the vehicle out. Yep, agreed, okay, okay.
Speaker 4:That was a good move, okay.
Speaker 1:So we see hands. It looks like he's the only one in there, so now we're gonna try to get this dude out. I it's very unnerving when they're facing you like this, oh it's bad, bad, yeah, very weird, because this is not typically how a stop goes. So, um, being able to see him, though, does put me more at ease, because I can see his hand, so. So if the hand starts to go down now, I know that there's some fuckery about to happen. One person, one person talk it muted itself again. You move you will get ended.
Speaker 7:That's a weird threat it is a little different all right, that's weird I got him, yeah, my right shoulder's kind of injured.
Speaker 4:I got legs.
Speaker 1:I got legs I got legs, get your fucking arm out. All right, boys, relax. You just ripped him out of the car. I understand that, but then you put three full-grown men on top of him and expect him to get his arm out from underneath him.
Speaker 2:Take a breath. He gave up at the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he gave up.
Speaker 2:He gave up.
Speaker 1:Get him out, handcuff him this is where having a little bit of grappling training goes a long way. So somebody can say, hey, hey, hey, hey, boys, relax, all of our body weight's on him. We got to let him get his arm out. Hold on there, we go. That was it. Okay, you can't park there. Can't park there really too early for that. Um, yeah, so that I don't know anybody got a problem with that one. I, I didn't have a a big problem. I mean, I obviously can tell there was some grappling issues at the end. Uh, I say grappling Control tactics issues.
Speaker 1:They weren't as confident in their control tactics, but I understand why they ripped them out of the car. Everything was. I was okay with that. I think they were worked up and that could be from inexperience. I'm not going to get on them for that. I can't expect everybody to have what we got across the panel here. We've all been doing it, you know almost 20 years plus, so you know we're not out there running and gunning anymore. So I won't get on them for that. But everybody in the comments seems to oh Country Girl said is their goal to end people rather than to stop them?
Speaker 1:No, sometimes we escalate our threats though, so we don't have to use force, and this is something that people get convoluted Like. I'm not saying you're doing this Country Girl intentionally, but if I tell you, don't move or I'll end you. And you don't move, well, that bluff worked Awesome. Now I don't have to use force, but if you do and you start reaching down for something, I told you. I told you what would happen. I gave you the most cryptic way I could tell you to prevent you from doing anything stupid. The threat isn't there because they want to end somebody. It's there so they don't do anything. You're trying it's a last-ditch effort to prevent them from doing anything. I've told people don't move, don't move, stop fucking moving. If you move, I will fucking shoot you. Because what was Homeboy doing? Digging down into his pants. And as soon as I said don't move or I'll fucking shoot you, he instantly went back up to this.
Speaker 2:And just so the people are watching. The last thing that these law enforcement officers want to do is discharge around. The last thing they want to do is end a life. The last thing they want to do is have their life ended, to be able to not go home to their family. So they're running all these scenarios through their head much faster than you're watching this video, and it's going to be comprised on them in two years, once this thing finally goes to court.
Speaker 1:And he tried to ram them with a 2,000-pound vehicle multiple, multiple times. He even heard the guy.
Speaker 2:My shoulder's jacked up. Hey, there's a good question on.
Speaker 1:There are warning shots authorized no, no, no, no, no no seeing what. What paper in that's how you know brandar's military back back in 1985, yeah, they were allowed.
Speaker 2:And also back in what? 1983? You were allowed to shoot what you considered to be a fleeing felon in the back. Yes, am I wrong or am I right?
Speaker 1:no, you're correct, you could, but it's not necessarily right. Um, yeah, but and mike brings up a good point. Yeah, this is an outlier, but yeah, I I'll agree with you on this one, mike. He's not according to Philip Brailsford or Sandra. I don't know the Philip Brailsford one, but I do know the Sandra Massey one. That's the boiling water. And, yeah, I think we agree with that one. That was a bullshit shoot. Should have never happened. So let's go to our last video here Share screen, share screen, share screen. There it is, and this one is titled what Armed intruder Share. There we go, biggie size Ba-bow, ba-bow. Anybody recognize that? All right and play.
Speaker 7:All right, sarge, I'm going to go back up with RJ. Hey, sarge, she said she's seen him multiple times walking around out here, so he does probably live here.
Speaker 8:Like we're in Houston. Yep. This is person. Probably Bloods always means a good time.
Speaker 1:I put gloves on on every call. Yep, it's not like touching people, and if I have to touch somebody I want to do it barehanded. Sounds like a domestic. So it sounds like a domestic. So it sounds like a domestic he was talking about. You know, this guy has been known to walk around here. So as I'm approaching, I'm just going to keep my head on a swivel, make sure that this guy doesn't come around. But really, the way that these calls end up going is it's just the caller is up in the apartment and you go and you check on him medically.
Speaker 8:Anybody else have a different it sounds like he knows, maybe knows at least, maybe the female victim or maybe knows this apartment has been there before, like he's. He's relaying information of like hey, it tells me that he's not. This isn't the first time they've pulled up.
Speaker 1:Yeah I agree, it seems like they got experience here yep here's somebody yelling, so I would be going 13, 13.
Speaker 7:I need units back here. I think I got eyes on the suspect 13-13,.
Speaker 1:I need units back here. I think I got eyes on the suspect when.
Speaker 7:Back at the original location.
Speaker 4:Hey, come, here Come here Police department.
Speaker 1:Police department Lace your fucking ass. Alright, if I'm in a chase, I'm going to try to get some information out. It's a downtime, I can't touch him. I can't handle business as I like to say, so I'm going to be saying something over the radio. Anybody got anything?
Speaker 8:different. You say you are you're handling it by running. Yeah, yeah, I'm running towards him, but now let people know what you're doing so you can get some other people.
Speaker 3:Yeah it looked like like communication is communication is key in this situation. Yeah, because now you're doing so, you can get some other people. Yeah, it looks like Communication is key in this situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because now you're on an island by yourself and nobody knows where the hell you're at if you get into contact with this guy. Like you said, there seems to be a history here, so he seemed to recognize the guy. So there's some sort of visual recognition and this guy ran from him. The guy, but there's some sort of visual recognition and this guy ran from him. I got Taser.
Speaker 7:Let's hear it. Let's hear it. He has a gun. He has a gun. Let us hear it.
Speaker 1:Alright, things change. He got the Taser out. He had a partner with him. We didn't know that, so that does help. Maybe that's why he wasn the taser out. He had a partner with him. We didn't know that, so that does help. Maybe that's why he wasn't calling things out. He went to go taser for the guy running. Okay, I'm not, I don't disagree with that. It looks like he was getting outran, so you need something to catch up with him, and it sounds like it was a violent offense. It was a possible domestic is what it sounded like, because she was injured and now we've seen a gun called out a gun. I love that. I love the fact that this officer has seen it and he called it out immediately. That communication helps because we're watching on body cam. We're the witnesses, right, we're potential jurors. Now we know exactly when this officer saw this gun. No shots have been fired yet.
Speaker 7:By either side that I've heard. He has a gun.
Speaker 1:Suspect has a gun potentially turned. They fired. But we're like let's get on him now. Is that just me? No, it's not.
Speaker 2:You've got to get on it. Control the situation. We don't know what his state is after that. You've got to get. After that, he still has a gun.
Speaker 1:Let's get that. Get him under control.
Speaker 8:I've seen this one and, without giving too much away, they blur things out that you, I or anybody else if we seen exactly what these officers are seeing in the same exact view, you would know that you. There's definitely no need to render any care. I don't know if they've said it yet and we just missed it, but one of the officers does state it, because somebody comes up and talks about wanting to render care or secure the suspect, but somebody says something about where one of the rounds hit and it's very obvious that there's no need.
Speaker 4:You good yeah. Yeah, Eric, are you okay? Yeah? You're good Are you doing work Up there I heard you, you guys are you okay, yeah, right.
Speaker 7:When y'all ran to the corner I heard y'all say he has a gun.
Speaker 1:And then I saw it at the master gunnery sergeant of the fucking police department yeah so what is with that?
Speaker 2:I'm not here to downgrade the rankings of people, but come on.
Speaker 1:That's ridiculous. He's a first sergeant, sergeant gunnery.
Speaker 2:He's an E-14.
Speaker 8:Yeah, one of the things that we were talking about getting on the radio. He even said I heard you guys were running and then heard you guys yelling gun coming around the corner. One of the things about this that you might want to get on the radio that you're actually chasing someone. You might have a blue on blue situation. Just think you turn that corner and it's dark. You're running. You got a gun in your hand. They don't know that you're running. They know that they're supposed to be looking for someone.
Speaker 2:I can see another unit there up the street.
Speaker 1:Yep, all right. All weapons recovered. All weapons recovered. Huh, all weapons recovered.
Speaker 7:He came up to me and asked me who I was. Let me get your camera.
Speaker 4:I couldn't tell what he had in his hand.
Speaker 8:Somebody was on the radio.
Speaker 1:Southeast. What is that?
Speaker 8:Southeast Radio districts Checking by sending a message South there there's a gun.
Speaker 1:Well, they're running right at him. Yep, yep, yep. General close.
Speaker 8:Big Sarge does. Show me your hands now.
Speaker 4:Now, show me your hands. Show me your hands now. Oh, clear shot. Gsw to the head, gsw doing it. Five shots fired, okay, okay.
Speaker 8:Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, did anybody see something?
Speaker 8:Here's how you can articulate it he sees the gun. The suspect's not complying with his instructions. The two police officers are running behind him. I can believe that would be the suspect.
Speaker 1:I get that, I understand that, but I did not see anything in his hands at the moment.
Speaker 3:I didn't either.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go back. I would like to see that again.
Speaker 4:Show me your hands now. Now, show me your hands. Show me your hands.
Speaker 1:Okay, he's pulling his pants up or digging in his pants.
Speaker 2:Look at his right hand.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to be as it's kind of yeah, the right hand is behind him, so the right hand, if you can see my mouse, would be over here. It's behind him. It's not visible. Okay, show me your hands. Okay, bladed stance. He's stopping.
Speaker 4:Now.
Speaker 1:Do you see anything? No, not yet, and I didn't see anything in his hands, guys.
Speaker 8:And he was slowing down.
Speaker 1:Go back and now again. This is the freedom that we have.
Speaker 8:Yeah, yeah, we get to rewind and do all this I understand that go back and then play it at like 0.5 or 0.25 speed so we can get as many frames as possible hold on a second.
Speaker 1:I gotta remember how to do that. Just one below, there you go. Oh, sleep time. Playback, playback speed. There we go, 0.5. Is that too slow? We'll try it.
Speaker 8:We'll see. The audio will sound weird, Okay let me go. But we're looking for the frames to try to potentially see what this big Sarge scene. All right, let's go.
Speaker 4:Now, now, show me your hands. Show me your hands now.
Speaker 3:Oh there, it is there, it is there, it is Okay.
Speaker 1:I didn't see anything.
Speaker 3:Whenever I saw him, at least what appeared to me. There was a shiny object in his hand. The way he came around him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's not possible. Here's why I say it could be possible, because when they get there they say the gun's right there like they can see it or something like that.
Speaker 2:And we all know, as law enforcement, from what's being played back on the video versus what your naked eyes seeing it's, it's, it's a big difference and especially in reference to an object that's going to have shine, it's your, your eyes are going to pick up a lot more on that than what the video is picking up on a on a body camera.
Speaker 1:Yep, I the the one, the guy I was telling you guys about earlier that I threatened to shoot. He had a pair of glasses that he had sharpened down into like a shank, but when I saw it in his hand I thought he had a gun. I didn't know what the fuck it was. Luckily he chucked it and ran.
Speaker 2:An answer to some of these questions coming up. What was the probable cause for the whole thing? Assault, bodily injury, family violence is the reason I believe that we're here. To begin with assault, bodily injury, family violence. So we have every reason to stop and figure out what's going on, based on a crime that was that was reported through 9-1-1, and the officers at the door yeah and the officer visually recognized the person.
Speaker 1:He said that's him, like yeah, and he called it out and he went over to him. So I mean that goes a long way. So, um, let's uh show me your hands.
Speaker 3:Show me your hands oh, there's something there there it is that could be it that's exactly what I saw just a second ago on that last clip that could be it right there.
Speaker 8:Yep, that looks like a gun and he's got now when he's articulating this. This is a very straight line of sight, about 10 or 15 feet away from him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, clear and unobstructed view.
Speaker 8:I've given him clear commands.
Speaker 1:That could be it right there. That's enough for me to at least give this. I mean, I wasn't almost up until right here, guys, I wasn't giving this guy anything, but that right there, that says a lot. That even looks like a gun, even more. Yep, yeah, that looks like a gun, even that right there again, yeah, that looks like a gun in the hand. It doesn't look like a person that's trying to drop it either. It looks like a person that's trying to suicide by cop.
Speaker 2:Then you have to go back to the whole reasonable and prudent yeah.
Speaker 8:Those two lights behind him are the people chasing him too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the cop's coming.
Speaker 8:Also just called out he's got a gun, he's got a gun, he's got a gun. Yep, that also just called out he's got a gun, he's got a gun, he's got a gun. Yep, yes, I was in the house.
Speaker 1:Shots fired.
Speaker 4:5 shots fired hey let's get units out of here. Another sergeant 1307,. I'm the one that shot. Yes, yes hands, hands, hold it. Air shot's fired. One suspect GSW to the head.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 2:He's communicating, he's letting them know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to see where this gun gets picked up from. It would help us understand more.
Speaker 4:We are at Rook Street, just south of Belfort.
Speaker 1:Give me that tape right here. No one touch the gun there we go.
Speaker 7:That answers it. Yeah, yep, that answers it.
Speaker 1:We saw it in the hand right there. That's crazy man Goes to show you. Yeah, that's that is all we have for videos. I'm just looking at what people oh, actually, oh shit, did I get rid of it? Let me give me one second. I'm going to pull that video description up. Where is it at? Here it is. I'm going to read it real quick, just so we know the details. I'm going to read it real quick, just so we know the details.
Speaker 1:Houston police responded to an assault call that occurred at an apartment complex on Belfort Street, learned that the suspect, armed with a weapon, forced entry into a female apartment and physically assaulted the victim. Officers located the suspect in the area, attempted to make contact with him when he fled on foot, attempted to evade. During the foot pursuit, suspect fell and grabbed what appeared to be a handgun from his waistband. That is not what we saw. He did not fall. He fell when he got shot. Sergeant Terrell was responding to a separate call for service at a residence nearby when he observed the armed man running towards the officers chasing him, with officers chasing him. The sergeant gave the suspect verbal commands to stop and he refused to comply. The armed suspect continued to approach the sergeant. The sergeant just charged his weapon, striking the suspect. At least once Houston Fire Department paramedics responded on the scene and pronounced the suspect deceased. No other officers were injured.
Speaker 1:Well, they didn't really give us a whole lot of information, did they? So that is weird that he was there on another call. It's a busy area. Yeah, oh shit, all right, let me close these guys out here. See what everybody is. Let's get even here. Give our even size windows, our Brady.
Speaker 8:Bunch windows. Ha ha Jinx, is that what you said? Yep, I said Brady Bunch. Ha ha ha.
Speaker 1:Wait, aren't LEO supposed to stop, not kill? I mean, yeah, they are, unless you pull a fucking gun out.
Speaker 8:Aren't suspects supposed to stop not kill.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, they are unless you pull a fucking gun out, aren't suspects you're supposed to stop when you got a gun pointed at you.
Speaker 1:You're running from police, yeah stop not necessarily trying to kill, but you're sure shit gonna try to stop the threat that pulls a gun out at you. He's looking for a safe spot and, trust me, up until we slow moated, then went in and went farther for the longest on this one, I didn't think he had a justification to shoot. I think we all kind of got there and then we kept breaking it down and went a little bit more and yeah, um, mike, we go back talking about fleeing and eluding.
Speaker 3:No, we can't, we're done you know, at the end of the day, if our training is to stop the threat and if stopping the the threat means that, motor functions that that the guy dies will yeah, I, I'm not trying.
Speaker 1:I don't want him to die. I'm hoping the bullets don't, but it's what we have. We don't have phasers set to stun yet. I cannot wait for that to happen. I trust science will get there one day so I can have my Star Trek weapon.
Speaker 2:If we had a reason or a way to frigging freeze. Go remove said weapon. Said weapon taken to custody all day long. Yeah, all day freaking long man so, craig?
Speaker 1:craig holcomb asked he, was he looking for a safe spot to lay down? We don't know. I can tell you this if that's the case, why pull the gun out? Why have that gun? I'm telling you for me. If I've got guns pointed at me, the first thing I'm going to do is try to make it very abundantly clear that I am giving up and I surrender. The universal sign of surrender is putting your hands up with nothing in them, that's not what I saw there.
Speaker 8:I think personally that it was suicide by cop I'll ask who day first, and then, when they say police, then I'll start running he did ask that who day, who day?
Speaker 1:yep, he did.
Speaker 8:I guess that's when he identified himself, and then that's what the chance was, and then he did run.
Speaker 1:Once they told him he was police he ran um. Head seems a little ways away from that. Well, I don't know that he shot him in the head intentionally. Anybody that's got any sort of weapons training that's a fucking hard thing to do. Just might have been he aimed center mass and that's where it ended up.
Speaker 8:Can we not put a little blame to the guy that allegedly hit a woman and ran for the cops? Yeah, could some of this evening's action.
Speaker 1:I know that is a little disappointing stance that we don't see enough of from y'all in the community. It's like when do you start putting some of this blame on the person that brought a gun, went into a house, assaulted a woman?
Speaker 3:See, that's the problem with the world. There's a severe lack of accountability anywhere.
Speaker 1:I want to have the police accountability. I do want to have that too. 100%.
Speaker 2:But the accountability of everybody living within the borders of the United States as well.
Speaker 3:That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, um, now, trust me I and when we talking about headshots and stuff like that, like I am not the greatest pistol shot in the world, but ever since I got a red dot I got a lot better. But that still doesn't mean a moving target that I can't get shot confirmation on. And what I mean is, like when we go shoot at a range, I can see when I hit the paper target and in looking at that as a bad habit to do, but you, you don't get that. When you shoot a person, you can't see the bullets go in, you can't see that you hit them, so you just have to wait until their behavior stops. And this guy got them in the head, could this?
Speaker 2:one was just real quick on this. If you would have listened to verbal direction on the beginning of this gave up the gun, stopped, went into custody. He could have defended himself in a court of law based on the whole reason. Law enforcement was there to begin with and it would not be a fatality. Soak that in for a second. Whoever is dismaying what law enforcement unfortunately had to do on this, I guarantee you that sergeant, everybody involved in this, they're they're going to think about this for the rest of their freaking lives, even though they had a just what you know I hate to use the word justified shooting. Now they have to think about this for the rest of their frigging lives. That's the last thing they wanted to frigging do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, craig, I 200% blame him for the gun and assault, but it's more fun to be part of the red team in the conversation. I get it. It is fun. I'm with you, brother. Hell yeah, I can't blame you on that one. Steve said how would somebody surrender with a gun, and I agree that can be difficult at times. But I tell you this Don't grab the gun, just keep your hands up, make them visible.
Speaker 8:I see you. You're the police. I have a weapon on me. Here's my hands. My hands are up, my hands are up, my hands are up. What do you want me to do?
Speaker 3:yeah, and then listen to their instructions the way that guy was holding the gun. If he would have just dropped it right there, no problem. But instead he decided to start raising that hand up and that's where the threat was coming from and that's whenever the sergeant shot and he made the decision that the suspect is the one that made the decision that he was going to escalate things to where they did, because they were really trying to get him to stop.
Speaker 2:And so people understand this. Houston speaks very direct on this. And I'm not talking about the shotgun to the friggin face that almost unalived houston. Okay, I'm talking about a call that when I went off duty and I got down to my boxers and my undershirt and I was able to breathe and houston went on duty here in the county that we work, and then then a few minutes later I get a call that a gun was pointed at Houston and he's in a standoff with a person through our dispatch. So I went back on duty, went at over 136 miles an hour at 1217 in the morning with no traffic, trying to get to Houston because he's by himself with a guy with a gun. And I didn't know all the details when me as a supervisor looked at Houston's body camera. The guy presented a gun up and Houston decided to save that gentleman's life, duck out of cover and shatter his fucking knee. He wanted to verbally even give more warnings before taking somebody's life and I know Houston didn't even want me to bring this up.
Speaker 2:But we do everything we can in law enforcement for a frigging reason and I have the video for that, you know. Can we show that out there? No, we can't, but I've physically watched it as a supervisor on duty. Houston didn't want to frigging, unalive somebody for something that it's justified or whatever. He was able to take a different position. Talk to the person. They both had to come to Jesus meeting and were able to leave it at that. Nobody frigging died. Law enforcement does this day in and day out. The last thing a cop with a badge wants to do is take somebody's life. That's the reason we have these people on this panel. We've been there. We've done that. The last thing we want to do is that we just try to give you our opinions on this period.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really liked Brandar's comment. Where'd it go? There it is. He said maybe it was a SIG and he didn't want it to blow up like that. For anybody that's kept up with the SIG 320, is that what it is in the military? Yeah, I'm going off on its own and the military stopped on the Skerritt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's the M17 and M18 platform. Yeah, get's the M17 and.
Speaker 1:M18 platform, Yep. So yeah, get rid of that gun. Well boys. We're right at three hours. I was about to end it. Hi Banning, Good night. Banning's not listening. He already checked out, he's going to get back and we're going to be off, but no, it was a good episode. Jerry said yeah, P320. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, the P320. Just biggie-sized banning and let it stream all night. King Pomegranate. What did the woman do, though? That's an asshole.
Speaker 1:Some questions that no one's asking you guys have been out of control tonight. I don't understand what's going on anyway. Uh, houston, you got any parting words, sir?
Speaker 3:hey, uh, you know, guys, let's, let's start. Uh, you know you want police accountability, but let's, uh, let's start talking about what citizen accountability looks like too yeah, I like it being even. Yeah, you know, a hundred percent, you know. Uh, I agree with you 100%, eric, that the police need to be held accountable for their actions. But at the same time, man, uh let's start teaching decency of respect and uh let's uh start going back to uh complying with authority in the world. Then things will most assuredly get better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, agreed, anything there, mr Deadleg?
Speaker 8:No, I have surgery tomorrow and then next week I will be in Birmingham, alabama, at Police Fleet Expo. Oh yeah, I'm getting in. I'm going to get in. I'm trying to get in Monday night, but I'll probably be there for sure. Tuesday, wednesday and Thursday. We present Wednesday with Bearded 3D and then Thursday we'll be on the floor and we'll be at our booth. I believe it's On Point. It's one of the outfitters that has a booth there. That will be there, but I'll be there on the floor all day. Okay, cool.
Speaker 2:Banning any parting words, sir no, sir, I appreciate everybody that, uh that stuck around on this. Uh, I think this was a great show man yeah, agreed, I thought it was a fun one.
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Speaker 1:I am not. No, I am going to bed. I got to go Night-night.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I will be on Discord for probably about 20 minutes, but Houston and I got a long road trip tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Yes, Cool, cool. I like it, you guys finally getting the surgery Cool.
Speaker 8:Absolutely. We're all getting surgery tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Yes, right All right, All right guys, Take it easy. Thanks for tuning in.
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