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The Hidden Cost of Policing: Navigating Law Enforcement's Ethical Tightrope
This livestream from our YOUTUBE channel is about body camera reviews and our special guest Ryan Monteiro! What drives a 22-year-old Secret Service agent protecting the President of the United States to leave it all behind for the dangerous streets of Baltimore? In this riveting episode, Ryan Monteiro takes us through his extraordinary journey through multiple facets of law enforcement—from federal protection details to urban narcotics enforcement.
The conversation shifts from Monteiro's personal story to a frank examination of modern policing's most pressing challenges. The hosts and guest analyze real body camera footage of critical incidents, providing professional perspective on split-second decisions that officers face. Their analysis of a routine medical call that escalated to deadly force sparks a profound discussion about when force becomes necessary and how proper training might prevent tragedy.
As tensions between law enforcement and communities continue to simmer nationwide, the panel doesn't shy away from discussing the controversial "thin blue line" and what it truly represents to officers. Monteiro delivers an emotional explanation that transcends political interpretations, offering listeners rare insight into the personal meaning behind the symbol.
The episode reaches its emotional peak during analysis of a house fire rescue, where the raw humanity of policing shines through beyond badges and uniforms. This moment underscores the diverse challenges officers face daily—from life-saving heroics to ethical dilemmas that define careers.
Throughout the four-hour conversation, the hosts maintain their commitment to balanced perspective, criticizing poor police tactics while acknowledging the real-world complexities officers navigate. Whether you're pro-police, skeptical of law enforcement, or somewhere in between, this episode offers authentic dialogue that bridges divides rather than deepening them.
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Speaker 1:I'm your host, eric Levine, and I am screwing everything up. Today I had some new equipment that I purchased and managed to screw up, and in that I just realized, when I was trying to test that equipment, that when I logged onto this page here that you guys are seeing, I was logged into the test one and not the real one. Today, and here we are. So I had to boot Banning and our special guest Ryan out, and now they have to get the link and they have to get back in. So I'm just waiting for them to get back in. While we wait, Good to be back. See you fuckers.
Speaker 1:Let's see who's all on. Perry Lemley is on. I see howdy pair. Oh, patrick is on. I see howdy pair. Oh uh, patrick, true loves on there saying howdy Perry. Uh, mag dumps on their country girl is on. Let's see Johnny's saying hello, what's up? Wade Lucero in there said screw up again. Yep, I did marine bloods in the house. Andy Fletcher, freeman keys. What's up, guys? I am getting my shit together. Having that week off hurt me. I lost my touch. There's Banning, get him on there. What's up, buddy? Let me get my sound fixed here. Yep, you're coming in like an echo. I can hear something. Can you hear me now, dummy, all right, all right, all right. Your sound's coming through Discord. I think I'm hearing it, not now, there, now you're good, you big dummy, all right. And let's see here, let's spruce this up a little bit, make it look a little. There we go A little more.
Speaker 1:We are live, aren't we? We are live. Yeah, we had to go live Because you know how the timing is on LinkedIn. You don't do it within like a minute of the time. Then you get screwed over. Oh yeah, yeah, we got Banning. Alan's in the background. There we go. He's trying to do some things. He had some camera difficulties. Now we're waiting for our special guest to get on here. Alan's got no light in that house. He is darked out. Oh, I see some donuts hiding in the shadows over there. One minute, por favor.
Speaker 4:What is it? What's been going on this week?
Speaker 1:man A lot. I podcasted my ass off Interview, interview, interview. I did three interviews this week. I just posted one that I did yesterday with my dad.
Speaker 1:So it's the first time he's been in the new studio, so I got that one up and out really quick. I have another one that I'm going to release. I've just been having trouble getting it off the cloud. I have it saved on the cloud right now as my interview with Lenny Nebretsky, so that one will be. He's a retired New Jersey State Trooper and there's Ryan. Let's get him on here. There we go. Looks like he's good. Hopefully his mic works this time. We were troubleshooting his mic earlier, so we'll see if it works.
Speaker 6:Testing, test test. We are live, you can hear us Ryan.
Speaker 1:All right, yep, we can hear Alan.
Speaker 7:Now let's see if Ryan can hear us and we're live. Ryan, can you hear us? All right, guys you got me.
Speaker 1:Hey, first try, look at us go. So sorry about that, ryan. I, I was testing that new equipment. This is the point I was trying to get to before. I was like, oh shit, we gotta go. I tested this new equipment, but I did it on a test page. So, on this, because I was trying to see if it was working and it wasn't. Well, I never got off the test page. So when we were sitting there, we were all sitting in a channel that had no channels linked to it. No, nothing Banning did it. Let you link your.
Speaker 4:LinkedIn. It did because I did it within that first minute.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, very cool, okay, sweet, all right. Well, within that first minute. Oh okay, very cool, okay, sweet, all right. Well, in that, let's, uh, let's, get to our guest. Um, we're gonna, we're gonna do it like this, we're gonna make you center stage there, princess ryan, introduce yourself, let everybody know who you are, what you do and how we met yeah, man.
Speaker 7:Um. So first thanks for having me. Uh, I said it's been a long time coming. I mean you love to talk. I we do. And then to to be here with Banning. Like I said earlier, legend See see, everybody knows you buddy. Legendary beard. Just a, just a beast of a man.
Speaker 1:A specimen, if you will.
Speaker 7:Derry Beard, just a beast of a man, a specimen if you will. So it's an honor to be here. But again, ryan Montero, I started my career back in late 2003, early 2004. I've been doing this about 21 years and I've kind of bounced all over the place, which I know in our profession can kind of be looked down upon a little bit. But it it doesn't have any negative connotations. I just, uh, I like to experience different things. So I started, uh I started my career, uh, as a police officer in ocean city, maryland.
Speaker 7:Um, I did that, did that for a very short period of time because I had applied to the us secret service. Um, I didn't think I was going to get hired. I was only 22 years old, 23 years old and, uh, just by, by some way, they, they actually hired me. Um, so as a 23 year old kid, I thought I can't pass this up, right, I mean, it's the US Secret Service and I love being a cop. I was a cop at the beach right In Ocean City. I rode a bicycle up and down the boardwalk every day. It was like the best job I've ever had. The problem with the beach is it's three months, right, the rest of the year is dead. So I kind of weighed the options and I decided to go with the US Secret Service. Great opportunity. I was a legacy, my father was career US Secret Service Traveled, did a lot of cool things, you know.
Speaker 7:Met the president, you know did all that stuff George Bush oh, old school 43 so when I was there, like I said, it was super cool for a 23 year old kid to be standing next to the president with a firearm.
Speaker 1:That's a huge responsibility hold on before you you go did. Did the intrusive thoughts ever creep in there Like I could take out the president? No. Keep going, I get it. I get it, bro. You can't admit it online. I get it.
Speaker 7:No, no, it was. It was an amazing thing as a 23 year old kid. I mean us secret service credentials. Uh, you know it's.
Speaker 7:It makes you pretty popular with the ladies if you get oh, I got little secret service badge bunnies absolutely um so I worked under George W Bush, then I got transferred to Dick Cheney and ultimately the best way I can describe it is it didn't satisfy my appetite for law enforcement. Right, it's a great agency. I'll love it till the day I die, but I was kind of standing around the White House with my thumb up. I'll love it till the day I die, but I was kind of standing around the White House with my thumb up and you know what? Right, yeah, and and this is about the time the show the Wire came out.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, buddy.
Speaker 7:Fans of the Wire.
Speaker 1:One of the best shows ever.
Speaker 7:Yeah, man, and so I'm. So I'm constantly watching that and it's, it's hyping me up. And you know, I'm going to work every day and not not that I'm a fake cop, but I'm not doing anything right it's, it's forced protection, it's, you know, it's it's executive protection type work standing there and I'm like man, this, this, it's just not me, right? And so I did the craziest thing that I've ever done in my life, because everybody called me crazy Everybody all my co-workers, some of my family members. I quit the US Secret Service and I joined the Baltimore City Police Department, and mainly because of the wire, yeah.
Speaker 7:And I can. I can tell you that once I started it it satiated that appetite for law enforcement that I had almost immediately. It's every bit of what the show is. That show isn't fake at all, other than you know.
Speaker 1:Any cop that's done the job watches the Wire and they're like it's still true today. The way that the drug, the way that their teams are set up and the organizations are set up, and the way that you have a runner, a watcher, a dealer, muscle I mean all of the stuff it still applies today. Tech has changed, but the crime hasn't.
Speaker 7:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 7:Yeah, absolutely. And you're talking about an open air drug market. You know most cops don't ever experience that. I, I'm sure, I'm sure you know, you guys have, I know where I'm at.
Speaker 7:Yeah, you work in a major metropolitan type area but an open air drug market, that's crazy business. Uh, it's unlike anything I've ever experienced, but I loved every bit of it. So I, uh, I never meant for for drug work to be my niche, like it. I didn't, uh, I didn't try to get into it. I kind of fell into it cause I was good at it. So I did most of my time, um, uh, in different narcotics units. While I was there. Um, it was great. Uh, it was dangerous. It's everything that I that I wanted. Um, and then you know, I met my wife, right. Oh, you know.
Speaker 7:I started to, my life went in a different direction, right, and so, as much as I wanted to continue doing what I was doing, it had to go a different way. So I eventually left. I had a. I had a great, a great time there. It was everything that I wanted, like I said, but I had to go a different direction. I was going to start a family everything that I wanted, like I said, but I had to go a different direction. I was going to start a family, um, so I went back to the federal side.
Speaker 7:Uh, I became a special deputy U S Marshall uh started contracting um doing executive protection at the U S department of justice. Um, that made me a lot of money, um, which was good for my family, um, but again, thumb up the butt, right, yeah, boring, real boring Um. So I had an opportunity uh, I got hired as a patrol sergeant at the university uh, george Washington university it was. It was a great job. I mean, um, I don't know how much you guys know about university police departments. They operate very similar to any other. You know local jurisdiction.
Speaker 1:You got an overlapping for Texas.
Speaker 4:It's a Banning. Is it a mile, or is it two? It's well, I think they have it broken down in feet for jurisdictional wise.
Speaker 1:But no, no, In the Texas state statute I believe it's one mile.
Speaker 1:Outside of the university footprint Outside of the university's footprint. Yep, I think that's the overlap for us. But all in, in utah, ryan, you tell me if this is true. Um, hold on before we get going. I first and foremost. Uh, I see we have a new person chatting. Uh, mayflower kid. He called us thin blue line gangbangers. Um, mayflower, I, I'm going to let you know we don't kick people here.
Speaker 1:Unless you're racist or you're promoting violence, you can chat, bro, if you have questions and stuff, please feel free to actually try to talk to us. We will definitely try to answer all your questions and whatnot. This is your chance to. If you don't like cops, this is a good place to be, because maybe we can help at least come together and reach a mutual understanding. It doesn't mean you got to like us, but we are not going to kick you if that's what you're looking for. So anyway, ryan, the thing that I wanted to get to is on Banning, did you unmute that son of a bitch again? On Discord, no, okay, I could hear an echo for a second, but when you went to the university I got two. This is a two-parter. First, was there a lot of retired cops there? And then two, how the hell did they just hire you as a sergeant? That's an uncommon thing at a department.
Speaker 7:Yeah, so there were a couple retired cops. But you know the climate in the US now with law enforcement, nobody wants to be a cop anymore. I mean there are people that do want to, but things have changed. You know we discussed it earlier, you know different times. So there was a couple, but it was kind of a young crowd and because it was so young I went in for an interview. I was tired of.
Speaker 1:That's not you. I'm banning. I just muted his mic. Whatever's talking in the background is popping up.
Speaker 7:Yeah, so.
Speaker 1:He doesn't know what it is.
Speaker 7:There was a couple of retired cops, but mainly it was a young crowd. Like I said, I left the Department of Justice because it was a young crowd. Um, and, like I said, I, I, I left the department of justice cause it was boring. I kind of wanted to, you know, get back into policing, but you know, obviously my wife didn't want me to go back to the trenches. Right, am I coming through, guys?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you're coming through. Uh, if you could pull your mic. You want your mic to be about a fist away, yeah.
Speaker 7:Sound better.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go, crispy.
Speaker 7:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were just coming in a little low, that's all yeah.
Speaker 7:Yeah, no worries man. So again a couple of retired guys, but mainly it was a young crowd, and I didn't want to work at DOJ anymore. It was too boring. I had made the money that I needed to make and I wanted to kind of get back into police work, but again my wife didn't want me in the trenches, which which I understand.
Speaker 1:You know we had a happy wife, happy life baby.
Speaker 7:Right, right, and I had a little girl at the time and so I thought this might be a good mix. Right, I can still be a cop, but it's not a war zone like West Baltimore. So I, I went there and I applied just as an officer. But but the chief at the time was so impressed by my credentials he said I, I need you as a patrol Sergeant. You'd be wasting you know your, your talents and your experience as an officer. So he, he offered me the position Just cause I've had supervisor experience, you know before. It just kind of added up to him and and and've had supervisor experience, you know before. Um, it just kind of added up to him and and and that's where we went from there and it was. It was a great thing, but uh, okay.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you where that went, If you want to know well, what I want to do, Ryan, is I definitely want to save your story for an interview. I want to do an actual podcast interview where me and Bam can sit down. And I will say it's crazy that at 23, they had already put you in front of the president. I never heard of that, yeah.
Speaker 7:And I wasn't even when I got hired. I was about 22. So I think I got to double check this, but I believe at the time and this is back in 2004, I believe at the time I was the youngest person ever to get hired by the US Secret Service.
Speaker 1:No shit, damn that's awesome and the fact that your dad was there too. That's cool. As a guy that worked with his dad.
Speaker 7:It's a beautiful thing, man.
Speaker 1:It is. It's cool. It had to have been hard for you to and we'll get into that when we interview but it had to be hard for you to walk away knowing your dad was he still there?
Speaker 7:uh. So he had retired shortly uh after. So, yeah, yeah he, he retired and then I left, uh, probably about six, six months later yeah eight maybe eight months, something like that.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, okay, um, let me, let me equal this out here. Let's see what one's best. That one's best. Okay, um, I want to address a couple things. First and foremost, mag dump, my buddy watching right there. Um, I'm staring at his beautiful buns right now. Uh, thank you for the uh five memberships that he gifted. And to those that got that.
Speaker 1:And then I also want to thank Brandar86, who also gifted five memberships. Thank you very much, Guys. The money that you donate does not go anywhere else but directly into the show. So, I want you to know that we thank you for your hard-earned money and if that's what you so choose to give, thank you very much. But follows and just sharing our content.
Speaker 4:That works too, and if people are wondering where Eric says he's staring right at them. Discord If you haven't heard about our Discord, it's another social media platform that we're just starting on pretty recently and you can get some different camera views, different angles, talk to us at different times, send direct messages, just another option.
Speaker 1:Yep, I like that. This Mayflower kid's in here that's his name, guys not calling him a kid he said tired of seeing all the videos of police beating people up and violating them. We get tired of seeing videos like that too. So we talk about them, we call them out when we think it's justified. But the part that we ask Mayflower Kid is that when we don't share the same opinion, when we try to tell you that we think it's justified or it's fine and here's the reasons why try not to go at that, thinking we're just copsplaining or bootlicking and all that stuff Like check out our content, look what we do.
Speaker 1:We call out when we think it's bad, we call out when we think it's good. And then sometimes we call out something bad and it turns out we were wrong. So we'll correct that later and say, hey, nope, this cop saw a gun that we didn't see. But based on what we saw and knew at the time, this is how we felt. But we changed that. So, just being willing to be fluid with your you know, don't be so, don't double down on stuff just to double down. That's all I'm getting at. But LinkedIn user said how do I donate to your show you can donate through our buy a cup of coffee. I think alan or somebody can post that for us. Um, I'm not sure who you are because it doesn't show me your username I'm working on.
Speaker 4:It's gonna be, uh, probably coming through banning. Yep, let's see, it's gonna be david cardoso yeah, um.
Speaker 1:And then, uh, country girl, some, some people get uh up in arms about thin blue line flags, and again, um, to each their own. I've told you guys what the thin blue line means to me. Again, it just means that if I die in the line of duty, I know that my family is going to be taken care of after I'm gone. That, to me, is the thin blue line. It's not covering up for people, it's not any of the malicious things that you hear, um, but I can't help the way that something like that makes you feel. So there's that. I do understand where you guys are coming from on that, but it's not something that I would say well, I'm not going to have one ever Now. I don't like the thin blue line Punisher stickers. I think that represents a whole different thing banning. What's your take on those?
Speaker 4:you know there's a time and a place for it and the people that truly understand what the thin blue line is, just like what eric explained.
Speaker 4:Um, you know, if god forbid, if something happens, somebody out there righteously serving their community somebody else that's righteously serving is also going to go help that family yeah, taking a daughter to prom or first day of school or son or whatnot. It's the same as the military, same as at the post office, same as if you work at McDonald's Hopefully a coworker will help you if something happens, and that's all that means for people to take that to a different and I get it. I get upset too from from what y'all send me. The ones that y'all send me makes me truly upset. It doesn't mean anything tyrannical, uh, at least the ones that we have on on this show. This is, this is America, and it's a proud for the profession that you're in and it's nothing like a, a brotherhood of this and this and this. It's people understanding what people are going through every single day on the street, and that's all yeah, and that's what people have turned it into.
Speaker 7:I always say I'm not a thin blue line guy and you look like what the hell is that? I'm speaking as an ideology. Right? The thin blue line was something before they made it into. You know what? What people think it is now right, yeah, in the house guys.
Speaker 1:Uh, ryan, I don't know if you know jerry worms or if you caught his episode with us. That's the og of cops I did uh yeah, I saw that first episode of cops.
Speaker 1:Baby jerry, what's up, buddy? Um, yeah, I uh, you knowflower. You know, when you're asking questions like why not an American flag, why not this, why not that, why not a lot of stuff? Why did I choose to go with the red and blue light in the background? You probably are going to assume because I'm a cop. If you look closely, it's because I'm a star wars nerd and that's my favorite two color. Well, purple, I like the purple one too. So, um, it just happens to fit the police theme. That's all. Um. So, yeah, it's not so much. Why not this? Why not that?
Speaker 4:don't, don't make me show the ai video of you lightsabering somebody off a movie.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, guys. Okay, so, ryan, we got some updates to do. Bannon God, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, this might be a long podcast y'all. Ryan, if at any time you do have to bow out, let us know, because sometimes we just go. You know how it is we go three, four hours.
Speaker 7:This is I love it. Good hours, so, and this is this is I love it good, I love it, baby.
Speaker 1:All right, we got it, we got a trooper.
Speaker 7:So I might have to pee at some point, but yeah, no, that's the same, here man we're good speaking of peeing.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I went just before the show started okay what color was it? And uh, it was a glowing yellow, it was it. You know, match my shirt, yeah, but but here's the thing. At 42, how old are you, ryan?
Speaker 7:42.
Speaker 1:42. Banning 45? Six, there we go. Alan is immortal, so that doesn't matter. 46. That'll look a day over 23. Thank you, sir. Thank you, it's because he lives in them. Dark-ass rooms. Right, I'm liking the glow, buddy, it looks good.
Speaker 6:Hey, it's slowly coming, it is I have a couple other things like me right now. Power hey, next week we'll have a couple more things powered on. There we go.
Speaker 1:But I was peeing outside my studio here because why not? I'm lazy, I didn't want to walk all the way to my house. So I'm peeing outside the studio and I'm realizing like, oh, there's a bug on the ground. I'm going to blast him like I would as a kid. My super soaker doesn't shoot as hard as it used to.
Speaker 4:You might want to get that checked out, man.
Speaker 1:That's some bullshit, bro. Remember when you used to be able to piss the wings off a fly?
Speaker 4:Well, absolutely, and I still can, so you might want to go get that checked out.
Speaker 1:I can't Ryan what's up? How's your P-stream going, baby?
Speaker 7:It's strong, it's strong, it's real strong, damn Okay.
Speaker 1:Maybe I got to get checked out. My pee string is not that strong. My mom and babies.
Speaker 1:Sorry, mom, you old Dunn Peel 78, 30, 47 here, see Mayflower, I love it. Well, the bad police need accountability. You're fucking right, they do, and that's what we talk about on here and that's what we try to do. You get. Nobody hates bad cops worse than the good cops. At least that's what I hope.
Speaker 1:And you know when we, when we talk about the thin blue line, we we actually acknowledge that it does exist. We've got proof of it existing. I just don't think it's as rampant as what it's made out to be. A clear example of it existing was when they tossed that old lady out of that jail that we shared on here. They threw her out. They didn't check on her. Some of them were laughing when they went back in, nobody reported anything. It was a year later that anything even happened, because they happened to get that video through a public records request, and then the only person that got named and in trouble was the dude that threw her, and I think that's bullshit. I think that everybody there should do. I think all of them should have been shit canned and all that, not necessarily. I don't know what they. I don't know if maybe they did report something and there's nothing came of that, like the person above that we don't know um there's.
Speaker 7:there's a lot of unknowns there, but they should have all and, and it begs the question I don't mean to interrupt you, bro like I said, I come from that old school mentality, not necessarily at all doing. You know what you're not supposed to do. But when you, when you look at it today, can we talk about how difficult it must? I've never had to do it but how difficult it must be to try to step in and stop a fellow cop from doing something crazy. And and I know the way the public views it you should absolutely do that and they're not wrong. But you know that guy yeah might save your life one day.
Speaker 1:It's you gotta think it's a mind fuck. Right, it's a mind fuck, and and I I don't, I don't think it's just a law enforcement thing, like I remember when I worked at subway and I saw the manager make like five sandwiches and give them to a friend as they left bro, you worked at subway.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I did all right, yeah, yeah, back in high school so I worked back when they had the stamps.
Speaker 1:Yeah, really yeah, that bread had to be made fresh, so uh, but my point is, as I remember, the manager giving out five sandwiches and the owner of the store would come in occasionally. And the owner pulled me into a room and was like have you seen anybody giving out sandwiches? And I pussed out I don't know, I just work here. She gives me a foot long sandwich, even though I'm only supposed to get a six inch at lunchtime. Is that OK? I was so honest, I didn'ttime. Is that okay? I was so honest, I didn't want any smoke. I was so scared and you didn't.
Speaker 1:You didn't want to be a rat, right, right, just be honest, right like yeah, and so when we have these discussions, I want people to like understand exactly what you're saying is like it isn't necessarily easy for a for for a lot of people it's not.
Speaker 7:And and what if that guy's your buddy? You know, a lot of us are good friends, right, and I'm not. You know, obviously people have their point, like they say the thin blue line, but, like I said earlier, I'm not. I don't look at this as an ideology. It was something before people made it this gang ideology and it's. You know, to me it's not right. Yeah, I'm sure you've lost friends, I've lost friends, like that's what that means to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, I I've never. I have never overlooked the cop doing something illegal and I've arrested them. Um, I had one do a hit and run. I ended up finding out who they were, where they were at, and we got them before he got home.
Speaker 7:Right and it breaks your heart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course he was drunk, but he broke a 14-year-old girl's leg and fled the scene. Time to go to prison.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep. You pull that kind of stuff, you're done. Eye of the Night had a good statement here. It's incumbent upon good officers to step in when officers are overstepping out of their bounds. It's part of your oath, it's part of adhering to federal and state constitution, agreed. And here's part of the reason why when I say what I'm saying, it's I have never had an officer do something in front of me that I didn't get ahead of before it became a thing.
Speaker 1:Does that make sense? Like I had an officer start, I could tell they were getting pissed off. I tapped him out, not like choked him out, but like tapped him on the shoulder. Hey, buddy, I got it. Go over there. And and nobody, no officer, has ever pushed through that. No, no, no, I got it. Levine, fuck him. No, I've never had anybody do that. I've never. But I've seen it on videos and shit like that. So I'll call it out. But I've in my career, in my almost 20 years, anytime I've asked an officer to step back, like the sonia massey thing.
Speaker 1:We talk about that one a lot. It was brought up in the chat like I would have been so far ahead of that that it wouldn't have been a thing it wouldn't it, we would have never went in the house to begin with. But my point is the moment my partner gets, I'm gonna blow a fucking hole in your head. You fucking do that shit. Whatever he said, all right out, get out. Get outside, ma'am you. I sorry about that. We'll have a good night. If you got any questions, here's my card.
Speaker 7:Please don't complain isn't it wild that it didn't go that way right? Because I I feel the same way. I mean, it's insane that they were even even in there yeah, I know so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but um, just going over here to to people's, to people's things, eric got down and scooted towards the problem officer. Right, oh for bjj, I get it now. That's good shit, man. Yeah, magdump said, izzo said it best. You may have to risk your job, pension et cetera, but it takes the officers to make the change, I agree, and the supervisors. I think the supervisors are one of the most important factors of that. I think they're just as equally responsible as your frontline officers. So, because poor supervision creates poor officers.
Speaker 7:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, yeah. So, banning, let's talk about what we did last week and why we didn't have a live when we normally would. I'll let you lead it off, because you had a different experience than I did.
Speaker 4:I did have a different experience and the experience was amazing. You know, eric, was it because we shared the same room. Well, no, man, I mean, it was a great experience. So you know, eric, it kept me fully informed of everything going on. As he's creating this, what you guys are going to know to be DTV the Donut with Paulina Williams and Chris Hatchett, who are our executive producers, and if I'm screwing up that title, I don't ultimate respect for what they do, because I can't do what they do.
Speaker 1:They're the ones that do all the camera shit and know all the special people behind the scenes that we don't know and it's frigging amazing on what they do, because I can't do what they do. They're the ones that do all the camera shit and know all the special people behind the scenes that we don't know.
Speaker 4:And it's frigging amazing on what they do. And so Eric said hey, you know, here, in about a month we may, if everything falls into place we're going to go to Scottsdale, arizona, and we're going to do things with the Scottsdale Police Department and maybe some stuff with the real-time crime center and we're going to do some filming and all this other stuff. And I'm like man, this sounds amazing and my mind starts going wild on what it could be. And then when I got out there it was even more wild than what I thought it could be. So this is basically what you guys are going to see unfold is Eric's dream. I'm going to call it my half dream, because Eric had a lot more periods and exclamation points at the end on his idea and the business plan, so to speak. But what you guys are going to see created in these pilot episodes are frigging nothing less of amazing. We've got some great people Jared Cusina, obviously, eric myself. We've got Detective Matt Thornton just some amazing folks that are going to be out there and involved in this. And I don't want to give away all the amazing stuff. I'll let Eric say it if he wants to say where we filmed at. I've already posted some of the locations. But for somebody to say you've got full reign of a facility for an entire day of filming, that means that somebody believes in what you're doing. It really is and we're bringing out some neat stuff to y'all.
Speaker 4:Mayflower Kid I believe that's your name. Make sure I'm not messing it up. I hope you stick around and get to see this stuff. Mayflower Kid yeah, is that what his name is? Mayflower Kid. Mayflower. Kid, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:And all the other ones that maybe have come to our show to begin with thinking that we're this typical cop stuff.
Speaker 4:And when I say typical cop stuff, you know what I mean is we're not out here as an echo chamber. We're out here for people, we're out here for the departments, but when we say the people, that's just everybody that lives in the United States. We're out here for you, for the good of all, and that's what we're bringing to you. We're going to be bringing you new tech, all the technology that's involved in this, and it's freaking amazing, and what we're capable of doing now, in 2025 and beyond, with technology will blow your mind without violating your constitutional rights, and that's the important thing here. Right Is to make sure that law enforcement is out, not violating anything but the neat tools that they can use to take bad people, people doing crimes against people off the street or crimes against property, et cetera, and I'll let Eric capitalize on it more. But it was an absolute dream for me to go out there with the team and do this, to do this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. It was crazy. So we went to Scottsdale Arizona and we filmed two pilots. It was crazy. So we went to Scottsdale Arizona and we filmed two pilots. So we filmed one about real-time crime centers and, uh, that one was with, uh, me and Jared Cosina is the main two for that.
Speaker 1:And then we did one about all the latest and greatest tech called tech in order, kind of a play on words with law and order, and the tone for tech in order, um, is dude, perfect meets myth busters meets top gear, so fun atmosphere dicking around. I think I shot the taser 10, 10 times into the dummies junk. So, uh, the point of it being, again, we want the public to have some transparency and understand the tools that cops are out there using, what it can do, what it can't do and, at the same time, law enforcement themselves and banning. And Ryan and Alan, I'm bet you guys you're in the same boat that I was for years, where you're just like when a when a new police tech actually hits at your department, you're like, oh shit, I didn't know this existed. It's wild.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, and so the thing is is I want police to know about all the latest and greatest that's out there and we're going to have the discussions about do we think it's good, is it? You know, maybe does it overstep Like we want to have a serious conversation. Now, the pilot didn't have that the pilot. We just ran out of time and funding. It didn't have the discussion board that we planned to have with it. It was just kind of the meat and potatoes and getting done what we could.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, but it will be adapting and you will be able to see again. We're going to shoot for like a 10 episodesized defibrillator that police and fire can carry so they could put it in a cargo pocket, and it works on both infants and adults. That is a game changer, because you could have that on you at all times instead of having to run to your car or run to a building or anything like that. So, like, things like that are what we want to highlight and let first responders know in military, know that the stuff's out there, it's a tool that you can help with and, uh and do good with. So and then, if we have to, we may have to tell them like this may overstep a little bit. So, um, what do you guys think about Long Island audit bro? So, um, what do you guys think about long island audit bro? We had him on the show. He's our friend. You missed it. You need to check that out. We like long island. We stay all right, dude.
Speaker 4:Yeah, sean sean paul ray is is actually, you know, if you, if you wipe away all the and everybody's got to have clickable stuff to be able people to come show you get followers. But what he's doing out there and educating man is awesome.
Speaker 7:He's a real auditor. He's not just some asshole that goes up and starts messing with cops.
Speaker 1:I've liked him since he started.
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Speaker 4:They don't wrinkle, they don't. You can roll this thing up, throw it in your go bag like I did for this trip, this trip and come up here and snap it out and throw it on, and even on a fluffy 300 pound guy like me. I've got a lot of real estate to cover.
Speaker 1:There's no wrinkles Love it, so yeah, so we went out there another one of our sponsors here. If you guys wonder about the fancy metal badge I wear on my outer carry, that I get teased for a lot, dude Ryan. So many people send messages like oh, he thinks he's a real cop because he's wearing an outer carrier with a fake badge.
Speaker 7:It cracks me up, dude like how did you get hooked up with ghost patch with that?
Speaker 1:um, so ghost patch. Uh, I reached out to him and I love him well, it's a cop. It's a cop owned and so yeah.
Speaker 1:And so I reached out to him his name's eric, uh, and just told him what I had going on. I said I, I'm really interested in getting a patch made. I just don't know what I want it to be. Is there something you can do with my logo? And he's like, yeah, I'll work up a concept for you. He goes, hey, just so, you know, we have these flex badges that we're about to release. So they, they, they're, they look metal, but they're not. So he goes, I'll make a deal with you, I'll make you a hundred of them. And, uh, you just promote them. I said, oh shit, okay, let me try. And so we did. And ever since, dude, we just hit it off and, uh, I've gotten. You know our national real-time crime center association, we buy all of our stuff to him. Now, um, you know, I've got just, I send everybody that way because he makes great stuff. If it was shit, I would, I wouldn't have stuck with him but no, it's, it's amazing.
Speaker 7:I've been, I've been with them for a long time, bought a lot of patches. You know I'm a kind of a morale patch guy. But when I saw the metal badge come out I was kind of wondering do they make those? Or?
Speaker 1:yep, yep, that's crazy. Yeah, they make them. Uh, thiamy cat said uh, no fake badge in canada, minimum two years less a day in provincial for impersonating leo. Well, I guess it all based on the argument. I'm not trying to impersonate a cop, it's just a metal badge that says Two Cops, one Donut podcast. So I am portraying a podcaster, I don't know. Canada is a little different. Freedom of speech and expression is almost an exclusive product of American activities.
Speaker 4:Where do you stay?
Speaker 1:Hey, I can't complain, I grew up.
Speaker 6:Big shout out Marines Blood. I think it's wearing the exact same shirt.
Speaker 4:Oh, the Marambe, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, it has the same one on that oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Whoever's wearing the one I have on, tell me what the name is so I can freaking remember that's gonna involve him taking his shirt off, and I gotta see that.
Speaker 1:Well, he did that last uh podcast.
Speaker 6:So I was harassing him in the chat I I was like so why you got a shirt on bro?
Speaker 4:Coming from Alan means a lot.
Speaker 6:That's a new standard around here we get more views.
Speaker 1:This is a man in my heart right here. The reason why I subscribe and watch your channel is because it's as neutral as it can be. Best of all, the explanation said best of all is the explanation for said situation. One of my best friends is a canine officer. Much respect, well, appreciate that that is. Uh, that is the exact tone that I've tried to create for this show is I will show cops do good things. I will show cops do bad things, but every time I will explain why it's good, what I think is is good about it, how we can improve from that, and then the same thing for bad stuff. Ryan, you look like you got something on your mind, brother.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I mean I'm glad you brought it up and that's kind of where we I don't want to say we get into it. So I'm not sure, maybe you can film me and I kind of feel like Matt Thornton is kind of the pioneer.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, matt he just calls out bad cop, that's his stick. Everything is just calling out bad.
Speaker 7:Would I? Would I be correct in saying he's kind of the pioneer of police officers calling out other cops?
Speaker 1:Yeah, as far as I know, because it was his people that happened to see what I was doing, they must've caught one where I was calling out a cop and they they're like you got to check out Matt, you got to go talk to Matt and I didn't, I didn't know who Matt was, and so and then Matt's people were doing the same thing to him, like telling him about me, and that's how we got linked up. So, yes, matt had a huge following before I ever got on the scene. So I would say, yeah, he's the pioneer.
Speaker 7:Yeah, he does, and like a lot of other cops, I was very critical of Matt when he started doing what he was doing.
Speaker 7:Again going back to that old school mentality, not, you know, thin blue line, protect each other at any, you know, even when people are doing bad stuff. But it was. It was kind of in its infancy. We had never seen that done before. Cops going online to the rest of the world calling out other cops, and of course, of course, the public loved it, right, I mean, they loved it Like. This is what we need and to extent, I, I agree, I agree, I just uh, like, like with matt and the and sometimes with you, sometimes, uh, the videos you post and the things you say, I don't, I don't think it rises to the level of being called out right. Um, and again, it's not personal, I love you, you, matt, matt seems like a great dude.
Speaker 7:Um, it's just, we're we're talking business, right, this is what we do Um like, for example, there's there's a few examples, but uh, I don't know. If you remember, there was a video of a state trooper I forget which state um he when he's talking like an asshole to the bike right. He pulled over the motorcycle right and you started the video. So I don't know if it's just ego or attitude or eric bro, I watched that video fucking on a loop a hundred times trying to see what you were seeing.
Speaker 7:I just didn't see it, bro, like he wasn't jovial, you know he wasn't trying to be the guy's best friend. I just I didn't see what you were seeing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I felt where I felt like kind of, yeah, I thought he was treating him like he was a um, like he was in the military and that was somebody from another country type thing, like possible, like he just, and it's kind of a trooper thing too. I mean, let's be, yeah. Yeah, that's why they say they go to, they go to trooper be yeah. Yeah, that's why they say they go to.
Speaker 7:They go to trooper school right yeah, go to the police academy.
Speaker 1:They go to trooper school yeah, and to me in policing, especially for what he came up on on that particular video, I just I, I hated it. I hated every bit of it. And that doesn't mean I'm right, that's just my opinion on it and and because I respect your opinion. I watched it a hundred times.
Speaker 7:I just didn't on it and because I respect your opinion. I've watched it a hundred times. I just didn't see it the way you were seeing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's biased because of how I am, how I come across to people. There was a video Banning. Remember the video we saw of the bad-ass cop that came in God, now it sounds stupid. I don't mean to say it that way. Now it sounds like I'm trying to say I'm a badass cop. The, the cop that came into the um, the mail, mail shop, what do you call it? Post office, the mail shop? The, the cop that came into the post office. Remember how, how he was towards that auditor, that's that's.
Speaker 4:that's the way you and I and a lot of our our, our people that we work with are, and that doesn't get highlighted a lot. Nothing that you know, stuff like that usually never makes it, and he did a Supreme job on on how perfectly you should handle a situation like that. So you know, I know we're going to be showing different videos tonight, but if y'all stick around, maybe I can talk Eric into showing a 30 second 90 second clip of that dude.
Speaker 1:I don't know how to find it right now, I don't know how to find that one. Somebody else can find that one behind the scenes, maybe our discord people. But yeah, and so, ryan, the point that I'm getting to is there's a way to talk to people to limit the possibility for things to go wrong. A hundred percent, and the way he came in to me was a way that's not going to keep things calm Now. Luckily the biker was chill.
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7:And I thought, yeah, he was stiff Definitely. Yeah, he was stiff definitely. But I guess it kind of I can snowball this into to my next point. When we, when we talk about cops and and the way that they act, like I said, what do they say? Catch, catch more flies with honey. Yeah, the old term Um, and I love it, like I, I, I love to be tonight, I love to be nice to people, um, it always works out Uh well, most of the time it works out better. But at the same time you're kind of balancing that you can't be everybody's best friend, right. You're an authority figure at some point, right. And then where does it get to the point where, if you're, if you're too cordial, they might kind of sense some weakness in you, and that can also go the other way.
Speaker 1:I, I feel like yeah, yeah, absolutely, and and and that I guess that was the point that I was trying to get across in that video is the tone and how we come across to something that we have to be critical of and pay attention to, and the way that he came across to me was just an asshole. He was being a dick. It was a uh in in base again totality of circumstance. Based on what?
Speaker 7:And I'm glad you said that, because uh, me, me and you have argued before you not argue, but you've seen me, uh, comment. I don't want to pass a judgment on a 30 second clip, right? So with that video I thought what if he knows this guy? What if he's a guy's a nuisance in the area? He's pulled him over 10 times. You know how do we know, right? So I try not to pass judgment on these clips. And again, like we've talked about before, judgment on these clips. And again, like we've talked about before, not thin blue line, but these guys are still there, are brothers, right, like a lot of these guys that get called out. I guarantee you, if you're getting your ass kicked on the side of the street, they'd still stop and help you, right, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, would you agree with that? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 7:And not not that that permits misconduct, but at the same time and I've said this before I'm human right. I don't want to end up on two cops, one donut, because I made a mistake. Family issues, stress from the job, Like where, where does where do we, where do we go with that in terms of putting cops out there, calling them out for 30 second clips? We we've talked about this before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, and for me, the way that I do the videos and and I think banning's on the the same mindset is, I want to learn from them and if we can learn from them, even if it's 30 seconds, if there's something we can avoid or something we can talk about or a perspective we can share, and we find out later that there was more to the story, that's an important part too and, like I've told people before, I was like listen, here's the information I have at the time. This is how the public's going to view this video and the public's going to go to. They're going to go out there and put a narrative out automatically. Well, why not have a cop? Because every cop thinks the same way that you said and I was the same way. I'm like, well, I can't say anything. There may be more to it and almost every time there is.
Speaker 7:Right.
Speaker 1:And you said that to me one time.
Speaker 7:You said every cop says that and I took that. I took that the wrong way, but I I see your point. A lot of cops do say that, but just because there's more to it, the optics is what that's, that's all that matters when it comes out right, right. So why? You saw what that? Why?
Speaker 1:not give an opinion based on what we see. Okay, here's what I see here. This is what I think the cop may be thinking. Maybe he's not thinking. Here's what the suspect did. Here's what I see here. This is what I think the cop may be thinking. Maybe he's not thinking. Here's what the suspect did. Here's what I see on both sides of it, based on what we see at this time. Here's why I think the way I think.
Speaker 1:But that's subject to change and again, I only have three minutes at max. That's the most time I have on a short and real. So the point is get your attention, let's start the discussion and then, in the comments or a message or on this live, we will divulge, like. If I have a video that really goes crazy, I'll pull it up on here and we'll discuss it further. Because that's the point is discussion, bringing everybody to the table and commenting. But Jerry Worms said that's where command presence come into play. Yes, command presence is definitely a thing when it's justified. For sure. We need those. Quit clicking it. Fucking Alan, I'm going to punch you in the face.
Speaker 4:Take your shirt off, alan.
Speaker 1:That's what everybody wants to see, everybody asking for Alan to take his shirt off. Is that what's going on in the back?
Speaker 6:They're going to have to start buying us a coffee.
Speaker 1:I know All right guys, we're almost an hour in, and then Craig Holcomb just jumped in and decided to ruin my thunder by donating five memberships. Thank you, sir, appreciate that so much.
Speaker 6:Several people are on here talking about Izzo, and he's actually been on the show quite a bit.
Speaker 1:He's been on the show, not recently, but you know it's just timing thing with him actually, ryan, I invited you and iso on this show tonight, but iso's in california currently, so he couldn't come on, so man, you gotta have me back, I that guy is.
Speaker 7:He's a phenom to me. I hated that dude. I hated him when he came out. But once I I I started to, I was hearing, but I wasn't listening. And once I started to listen, everything changed.
Speaker 1:Yes, I mean he's a good dude man we don't. I don't agree with him on everything.
Speaker 1:I especially don't agree with him on female officers. I don't agree with him on everything. I especially don't agree with him on female officers. But he's, you know, the dude. Definitely he does justify why he thinks the way he thinks and I give him credit. I just don't always agree with some of the stuff he does. But Izzo's a good dude. He really at the end of the day because, like I said, me and Izzo talk on the phone all the time I'll constantly plug his videos. Izzo is a good dude. Matt Thornton also obviously he's a part of what we do. Great dude Copville Please check out Copville Another great officer. Former officer, anti-hero podcast. My boy Tyler over there and Brent, also two great guys.
Speaker 1:These are the people I try to surround myself with because they keep us humble, they keep us level-headed, um and it's a movement that's never been done before it is absolutely and and unfortunately, or fortunately for guys like me, like I'm, a fence rider, like that's the worst position to be in. Izzo is where he's at. He is, he can say whatever. He's got the freedom to say whatever he wants I don't I, I, I can get fired.
Speaker 1:So you won't hear me mention my department. You won't hear me make too many you know hard stances on things that may make my department look bad. Just in case I got a family, um, heaven forbid I when I retire. You know, maybe the tech and order show takes off or whatever, but um, once I'm off leash it's gonna be a whole other ball game. But um, yeah I can't.
Speaker 1:Imagine yeah, right, exactly so um, that dude doesn't hold back at all not a bit I, I do, I really, I really love uh iso. He's a good dude.
Speaker 7:Once I started to listen I completely changed my opinion. But I'll be full disclosure I hated that dude for a hot minute.
Speaker 1:And I know a lot of people do. The Marble King, constantine, if I can get you to stop spamming and actually have a conversation like a grown adult, if you got something to say, bud, this is definitely the place for you. We don't uh, we don't discriminate, we don't hold people back. The whole point is to have discussion. But you gotta be willing to actually have a discussion and not just a flame. Ask a Mayflower kid. He, he's also on here and decided he kind of started out like you and now we got him talking and he's conversating with everybody. So, yeah, mayflower, mayflower clint said he seems genuine. So I hope, I hope that's how we're coming across. Um, but uh, yeah, oh, brian fahey, he's, he's in jail. Well, he got arrested. Anyway.
Speaker 7:Briefly, yeah, he did for for the long island audit thing yes, he did I didn't read about that. When was that?
Speaker 1:uh, just like two or three days ago. Yeah, it was pretty. It's fairly new. Yeah, yeah, I think it was just a class c. I don't think they got him for all the stuff that they tried, they're trying to get, you know what agency got him, you know I don't know. I would imagine it has to be that local agency it'd be funny if it was his agency. Oh yeah, the troopers that's that's.
Speaker 7:That's a wild story. I have so many opinions about that, yeah, and I you know long island he.
Speaker 1:He called me that that night, 20 minutes after it happened, because he needed a police opinion. He's like this is what just happened to me. He was still amped up, all that shit and I was telling him. I was like, well, based on what you're telling me, this, that and the other doesn't sound right. I was like, but dude, you're a moron for going over to this man's house. I was like you are an idiot.
Speaker 7:I'm telling you he goes.
Speaker 1:Okay, fair, he gets it. He's like, but you know, and this is where he won me over, he goes when a journalist goes outside of, you know, the presidential house or you know, or a governor's house or anything like hey, can we get a comment on this and all that. I'm like, ok, yeah, that makes sense. You did the same exact thing okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 7:You did the same exact thing. Yeah, but it does. It does, but Sean Paul is not Katie Couric.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's, let's, let's be real here. They have a history. Right, they did have a history, and that's what I makes.
Speaker 7:That makes all the difference.
Speaker 1:I said it was. It was. I was like I. I appreciate what you did. I was like you have balls bigger than most people I've ever met. Sure.
Speaker 1:My problem is, dude, you're a dad and a husband. You really took a fucking risk. That was a stupid, stupid risk to take. I said I love the fact that you came out on top with this one, Despite the fact of being arrested and being fined a ton of money. I said, please, like, call me before you do some of this stuff. I want to help you see another side and then make your decision well-informed, because that was very, very risky. Now it worked out for him. I think it's going to work out even more for him.
Speaker 7:I think his intentions were good. I'm not going to say out even more for him. I think his intentions were good. I'm not going to say anything about Sergeant Fahey, but obviously Sean Paul, there's a reason why he's doing what he's doing. But you've got to think, man.
Speaker 1:A man's wife and children are in that house as well.
Speaker 7:That's risky business.
Speaker 1:What is going on in my chat? We've got a bunch of people coming out. Listen, this is not a religious chat. We're not going to boot you for loving your God, but relax, just sit and have fun with us. I want this to be a we could have a beer together atmosphere If we could do that. Brandar86, what's up, brother? He said I'm telling you reach out to Southern Draw Law. I would love to get him on. It's not that I haven't reached out before. Y'all Like please, we need a community here. If you can get Southern Draw Law on with me, if you can get his attention, I would love to have him on for sure. Have you seen him, ryan?
Speaker 7:I have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's, he's legit former cop, knows the law, um, which is kind of what we were trying to get out of police law news. And then he had his incident. So we were just like, hey brother, no hard feelings, you just got to cut ties. Um, yep, you know, while you figure out your stuff, I would love if he could come back on the show and discuss what happened and what is what he did, and and all that. But I I don't want to put him in that position either.
Speaker 7:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I figure he'll reach out if he wants to talk about that, yeah, there'll be a time.
Speaker 6:Yep, so it was the police department and it was the attorney general's office that did the investigation.
Speaker 1:Oh, was it Beautiful, yeah, long Island.
Speaker 6:Disorderly conduct investigation.
Speaker 1:Oh, was it beautiful. Yeah, long island disorderly conduct. Um, a reporter near here got his ass kicked in someone's front yard. Yeah, I mean, you got to be careful. You know, show, jump in his comments. Uh, show me the audits. You're the person, buddy. You hook us up. Show me the audits. Jumps in here all the time. You, you've got the connection. If he sees your name, he's definitely more likely to answer than if he sees two cops when don't? He's like it's gonna be some porno, some cop porno. I'm not gonna talk to that guy. Um, yeah, jerry said Southern Draw is awesome, love it. Thanks, jim Miner. Great shirt, eric See Yep, brand R86. Risk versus reward. I love it. The comments are on fire tonight, mayflower Kid. I hope we're winning you over, brother. I hope you're giving us a chance, because I think you would have a lot of good things to bring to the table to let us know what we should be looking into.
Speaker 4:And if we're not winning you over stick around, yeah and Banning.
Speaker 1:Tell them We've had people on.
Speaker 4:Oh, 100%. We've had a lot of people on that came in, and nothing against you, mayflower Kid. I don't know you from Adam that don't understand what we're, uh, what we're about, and we're we're not an echo chamber, we're not this. Uh, you know people, you know what? Was that one guy, I think the one sole person in the world that we we blocked was the uh, um so, Ladner, ladner, ladner.
Speaker 4:Ladner and always say, uh uh, self-proclaim this, self-proclaim this, self-proclaim that we're not about that. We all took an oath. We're here for the people. We're giving you our opinions. Are we the expert? No, but we're a few guys in the room that have an experience and we're bringing you our opinion. And I know somebody's going to hashtag Banning in his opinion and that's fine, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1:They're all putting in a thing. Ladner, yeah, love it. Shout out to harrison brock. He said he couldn't make it tonight. He is one of our most loyal followers um, or members, I don't. I don't know what to call people.
Speaker 4:I feel stupid saying that he's one of our connections, one of our connections.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like the way linkedin does it connections. Yeah, yeah, ryan, I like the way LinkedIn does it Connections?
Speaker 6:Yeah, ryan's my connection. The other one we're missing tonight I haven't seen his name is Mr Billfold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where is Billfold? He's right.
Speaker 4:Everybody wants to call him out or something Hilarious yeah he's been quiet lately.
Speaker 1:He's been quiet on Discord, he's been quiet on here. I don't know what his deal is. We might have to work for a living or something. Yeah, maybe he's working and on night shift, or something I don't know well.
Speaker 4:Is he a cop billfold? No, he hated us, man. He hated us when we started. He's a marine and he's got some and he's seen a lot of bad things on youtube. And he came in here with his opinion and he stuck around. That's the biggest thing. Is he stuck around to find out what we were about? And to me that means a lot. Man, somebody wanted to stick around and find out what we're about. I mean, we're not on any side of anything. We're that neutral line, if you want to call it a color for the people, for the officers, for everybody.
Speaker 7:And that's a win, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mr Billfold's great and he fucking keeps us on our toes.
Speaker 7:I see that. I just wasn't sure. I see what he comments. I wasn't sure who he was. If he was, a cop or not because some cops say crazy stuff too right, he has a pretty interesting story.
Speaker 6:A bad situation where he was with law enforcement. So he comes from it from a different place. Okay, and so, man, when he first got on he was blasted and he really did come around and I would say he's the first one that got everybody else listening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, yeah, we definitely wouldn't have the audience we have without him and, like I said you you know, mayflower kid, I hope this kind of gives you a little hope is, we had somebody that hated us so much flip around to the point where he advocated for us and we had on the show several times, um, and to the point where he debated with a person that usually charges probably around 40 grand just to have him come speak.
Speaker 4:Mr Vaughn clean. Vaughn clean.
Speaker 1:He is a foremost expert in his career uh, for use of force and for for science, and he's a fan of the show and he comes on whenever we ask him to, as long as he's free.
Speaker 4:So what's the evil name you gave on as a joke? Oh, I don't remember. Hell, it might have been, because he's got that lex luther, look, maybe, maybe that was yeah, lex luther.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's what I was calling him on luther.
Speaker 7:Yeah, eric, I'm gonna. I'm gonna disappear for 20 seconds bro no worries, brother, um we'll.
Speaker 1:We'll wait till you get back, and then we'll.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you can hit your little mic and your little camera. There you go, there it goes Awesome. Oh, that made us look too close. I was going to say look how bad my pixels are when you made my mug. Yeah, it's too close. You can tell I'm on my laptop again because I'm traveling. I'm up here again. Texas Panhandle Police Officer Association. We're doing a big law enforcement show this week and excited to be up here, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pirate Trek. I think my first watch was Mr Bifold talking about qualified immunity. He did a great job. See People remember, and I think that's what makes our platform different. Tim said want their opinions and other goof off stuff, go to the discord and they will throw you their best opinions. Love it, um. But I think that's what makes our platform different is we give people that are the most staunch anti-cop mindsets and we allow them to have a platform to say what's on their mind.
Speaker 6:Banning. They are making the comment.
Speaker 4:When are you not traveling, man, I'm going to tell you something Everybody thinks I travel all the time and I travel a lot. But here's the big thing my wife and daughter get to see me more now than they did as me. As a patrol supervisor when I was at Jack County Sheriff's Office, because I was always on call, I got pulled away from more family functions and holidays ever. And now that I work in the private sector I work for Mark 43, I proudly say that the company takes care of their employees. We do what's called a computer aided dispatch and uh and and report management system and analytics suite, and what that means to you guys is is the transparency is there for the public and for the law enforcement agency is all that means and this is not a commercial for them, but I do probably work for them Um, they just they're, they're, they're doing it right in the law enforcement industry and, uh, they're learning from me as I'm learning from them. So it's, it's a great marriage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Andy, I know you and I we we've been getting along really great lately. We tend to agree on a lot of things, but you're way off on this one. Um, he said the pro QI guy which was Vaughn clean was not honest, just gaslighting. That is not von style. Um, he is. He's a very genuine guy and I know that personally and he's he's not going to give you bullshit. He's going to tell you what he knows and if it doesn't mesh with what you agree with, well that's one thing. But he's, he's not going to lie. He's going to tell you what he knows, how he knows it and he is probably one of the foremost experts when it comes to qualified immunity and what he I mean. It's just, you're not going to find anybody else. That's not a nerd.
Speaker 4:So what I like about Vaughn is if, if a, if a cop fucks up, he tells you and he tells you to get them a comfortable cot in a prison because that's where he's going, or he tells you they're innocent, based on his very, very educated opinion and here's why and breaks down the details and that to me, man, that's, that's golden, because it's for the public and it's for the agency, and if you can get some transparency like that, that's what every freaking agency needs in this country.
Speaker 7:I'm not familiar with this. Can you kind of elaborate on what you guys are talking about?
Speaker 4:So Von Kleem. He's changed a couple of different positions but he's he's. He's in the C-suite executive for for for science. For science is if you just Google that, for everybody that's watching, anybody can Google it they. They break down body mechanics, mental acuity, not just the body camera footage. They look at the totality of the call, the, the mindset of the subject, suspect, whatever you want to call it, to the, the, the officer or victim, you know whatever you want to put titles on people for an incident, and he truly can digest everything without watching the body camera footage. He will digest it all for everything that's in there, and then he will come back and he may or may not watch that body camera footage, but he can tell you the totality of everything going on, which truly helps the case, and I wish we could have that for every single case that goes before a jury.
Speaker 7:Yeah, is he an attorney or?
Speaker 4:He is. He was a 20 year cop and now I think he's a 17 year attorney. I'll tell you this there's, there's, there's people in DC, people at a state level, you know, superior courts that that absolutely value what Vaughn has to say, Cause he's got the knowledge to back it up. And he, you know, I I'm very careful when I call somebody an expert, because I would never call myself an expert at anything, because somebody is always better. He is truly an expert in his field, and I would love for you to go back and look at a couple of our shows with Vaughn on and he's just he's. He's freelancing with us, he's just touching the cusp. But when you look at his stuff and the stuff that's published online and the mental acuity that this guy has is not many people can do what he does.
Speaker 7:I will. I'm surprised I haven't seen it. I watch most of it.
Speaker 6:So he's brought in multiple different cases where you know agencies will bring him in to testify on. You know, shoot, no, shoots things like that in actual trials and he's the. He's a very large expert in the field.
Speaker 1:I agree with. Show me the audits here, because I've said this and I think, banny, I think you kind of agreed with me. Same thing said from the 1A side. I'm not about QI removal, just restructure. With the indemnity given by the agencies to their employees, the burden of qualified immunity applies. Shouldn't be automatic for the officer.
Speaker 4:I mean, that's part of the name and I don't mean to step on your, but that's part of the main. It's qualified immunity. If you don't qualify for that immunity excuse my French, but fuck you. If you violate somebody's rights, if you do something wrong, if you step off that beaten path of what you're supposed to do, screw you. You know, then you don't get that qualified immunity period. Now, if you're acting in accordance with the law, with your general orders of everything that's going on, and you don't violate the freaking constitution, then, yes, the qualified immunity should be in play.
Speaker 7:Yeah, ryan ryan looks frustrated well, just just so you, you guys go to youtube. You see the comments, the, the the grave misunderstanding of qualified immunity is. It just boggles me I mean people throw that word around like they know what the fuck they're talking about, and they really don't yeah, there's quite a few that don't.
Speaker 1:There's quite a few that don't. There's some like Mr Billfold man. The dude knows his shit more than more than me. He wanted to debate me. I'm not qualified, not for the immunity, but I mean I'm not qualified to debate it. I was, like I only know it as a layman, what they taught me in the academy.
Speaker 7:I don't really concern myself with it because I don't violate people's rights, right, right. And again. This is where, when I say old school mentality, like I get frustrated. Like you see a YouTube video, right, and an officer has to use force, and we all know force it never looks good, it's always ugly. And then every comment bye-bye, bye-bye, qualified immunity. What are you talking about, right? Yeah, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:like you have no idea, it's just yeah, and some of the problems with um qualified immunity is that it sorry there is a spider crawling in my light. I can see it. It's like shadows making it look huge. It's distracting the shit out of me. I don't like spiders, but what the fuck was I talking about? Qualified immunity, qualified immunity? I forget my whole thought. The spider got me thrown off. Anyway, we need to get to a fucking video. Okay, so that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 4:Hey, while you're doing that, Eric, I just had a dude walk into my room. Oh God, that sounds like a face.
Speaker 1:Only a mother could love right now.
Speaker 6:Hey, look at that guy. Hey, now Shards and Sprinkles man.
Speaker 1:Listen, you know they make that shirt in a men's size right. Be jealous, man, don't be jealous of the sweater. You need to wear stripes that go up and down, not across buddy. They ain't doing you any favors on their computer.
Speaker 4:For the many of you that are on here for the first time. We all know him as Houston Gas and, as you can see there on the left side of his face, where is it at Right here? Yeah, right there. He's got a great face for radio because a subject of a domestic family violence decided to shoot him point blank in the face with a 12-gauge shotgun. The dude still alive behind me with well over 25-plus. Whatever surgeries to reconstruct that madness. I didn't donate any ass cheeks, but he made it through it, man, and he's still here with us. He just took a whole bunch of cops out to eat to celebrate them doing what they do in law enforcement for the company he works for, which is Code 3 Technology. So he's here now and he's going to monitor the podcast from the backside of the room. Great guy, if y'all missed his podcast, make sure you come and watch his.
Speaker 1:Little known fact that out of the 25 surgeries to get the skin back the way that it was, 25 people donated nutsack skin to his rapid face. Whoa, we call him a Balchinian If you guys that right.
Speaker 4:You threw out some men in black Watch out Jesus. We got to love us some Sergeant Sprinkles, okay.
Speaker 1:Is that too far, ryan? Eric, you're wrong bro.
Speaker 7:Did you say Balchinian?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did, yeah, bro.
Speaker 7:Did you say Balchenian yeah?
Speaker 4:he did. Yeah, bro, I'm going to let Houston sit here for a second while I make some wrinkly videos Alright, I like it.
Speaker 1:Mayflower wrinkly, I love it. Oh shit, I love it. Yeah, magdum's right. This is the thin blue line. This is what we're talking about. My father gets shot in the face and what do we do? We make dick jokes about his face. That is the thin blue line right there.
Speaker 6:But he wouldn't expect anything different. No man. That's what we do in this line of work. Talk in the mic, no man. That's what we do in this line of work Talk in the mic.
Speaker 12:It's always been my experience that whenever shit like that is not happening, there's probably something wrong man, and they don't want to be around that dude. I think you can all agree with that, right there, man.
Speaker 1:Houston, get closer to the mic. Oh sorry, Banning it. You have to eat the ice cream cone.
Speaker 12:yeah, yeah read it like your normal saturday night. It's cylindrical shape so why not?
Speaker 1:it's phallically fine, you've got it yes, yes oh shit, okay.
Speaker 1:So the point that I was getting to guys um, uh, we are going to go into our video part. Uh, what we usually do way earlier in the show, but we had ryan on here and we wanted to kind of get his background and all of that. So, um, what we do now is we pull up body camera videos that we've never seen and we usually always pull them up from the same place, and tonight's no different. We went to Police Activity on YouTube. So shout out to them. All of our videos are from Police Activity. Viewer discretion advised again, because we don't know what's going to happen and Police Activity likes shooting videos, so a lot of times there's shootings involved on that. So just viewer beware. And the point is not necessarily to Monday morning quarterback. What we do is we pretend we are the officers in the body camp and we will tell you what we're thinking and what we would do next as the video's progressing and we'll pause and discuss a lot. So it's kind of a unique way of handling these videos that nobody else is doing.
Speaker 1:I do think there are some people out there starting to copy what we do. I've seen some videos be shared with me behind the scenes. People are messaging me like look, this person's copying what you do. You know, imitation is the best flattery, I guess, so that's great. I'm glad that there's other people trying to do what we're doing, because it's different. I didn't want to be like Donut Operator, which I love what he does. I think Donut Operator is one of the best that's ever been. Yeah, very cool. I would love to get him on the show. Donut Operator, call it girl. So yeah, but let's get to the videos. I'm going to share this first video here Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh man, it just decided to start playing on its own. Okay, let's biggie size. Wow, there we go, all right.
Speaker 8:Everybody ready.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, just said speeds are a hundred a little tight for a hundred yeah, um, so let's, let's get into it right now. Me personally, motorcycle those speeds. I'm out'm out, I'm done. You done too, ryan.
Speaker 7:That's a negative. I'm not happy. I mean, look at where you paused it. That's an intersection 100 miles an hour through that. No, sir, not going to happen.
Speaker 1:I'm with you on that. What do you got there Houston? Houston's like fuck it.
Speaker 12:I'm going to run until the wheels fall off. You know? No, actually, man, you know you come up to these intersections. I don't care if you got your woo-woos and your pretty lights on, man, you've got to clear these intersections. You've got to slow down enough man to do that, because you're going to kill somebody. It's been proven over and over again, man, these accidents that occur like this are probably nine times out of ten fatal accidents and of course you know the officer doing that had no intent of doing that. But the serious lack of consideration and thought really plays into that man. And then you're going to have a cop man that's going off in either a body bag or cuffs.
Speaker 1:Yep, pirate Truck said we finally using YouTube Premium? Yes, we are. Y'all's donations went directly towards that, because y'all yelled at me and I said well, y'all, I told you your money goes directly into the show. That's where I put it. So do you want to send pictures to Eric during live stream? Join the Discord, tim. Oh, marine Blood said that one that surprises me Mayflower Kid donor cycle. I've never heard that term. That's hilarious, not for the person that's the donor, but yeah, in this Mayflowerflower kid. I know you're newer to what we're doing, so let me kind of fill you in. We don't know the details, we don't read, we don't get anything on the video. We want to watch it raw with y'all. I didn't mean to make that rhyme, but it did, um. So that's the point of it is we want to have an actual raw reaction, not something we've already seen. That's kind of the fun. So let's keep going. We've already agreed we wouldn't be chasing, but since we are, we're going to be calling out directions, travel speed, conditions of the road. That's a red light.
Speaker 8:Red for Eftel, blue for Lightning. And's a red light.
Speaker 1:This is not an experienced rider.
Speaker 7:No, it's not because he could have burned this cop at any time. Yep.
Speaker 1:Oh, at least he was almost stopped. I don't know if that was intentional. I'm going to go back just a little bit. I was just about to say I don't think that we should ever be using our vehicle against a motorcycle to hit him, but they kind of got ahead of me. I'm going to go back because I don't know if this was intentional or not. Oh, he sped up. You could hear the engine rev Dang. Are you going to get outran? Okay, so from here I think Taser's fair game Baton pepper spray. I'm not going to shoot the guy. I don't see any threat yet.
Speaker 4:Anybody got a different take nope, I'm right there with you all right um what was that?
Speaker 7:what was the north carolina case with the taser? It's uh, it's actively resisting.
Speaker 1:Now right, it's not just not passive resisting, yeah, passive resisting them to do? The moment I put hands on you and you start to use physical muscles against what I'm telling you, or you run like this that that is active resistance. You are moving to get away from me, so our officer does not have speed and he has got a set of keys on him like a janitor. Do you guys hear it? Yep. That is insane, bro. Dump the keychain, stop right now. Oh, he's going for the left-handed taser deployment. Oh, that's a gun.
Speaker 7:I don't like. I think he's dual-wielding y'all he's dual-wielding.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 7:Was there a switch in there?
Speaker 1:I yeah, I don't know it was a switch I didn't see, because he pulled the gun and the taser out and they both look like they're in the same hand. So, um, I would say it's, and I've I've said this before on the show I don't like running with a weapon system out.
Speaker 7:No.
Speaker 1:But sometimes I understand it.
Speaker 7:Especially when you're getting cooked, like this officer is. I mean that guy's in Ohio by now.
Speaker 1:Right Use the grappler on a bike. I have never seen that happen.
Speaker 9:I'm curious what would happen, but I think it's frowned upon. Get on the ground right now. Get on the ground Right now. Get on the ground.
Speaker 1:Okay, I like the intensity. I'm not a yeller. Even if I chase people, I'm usually like all right, bro, get on the ground. That's just my mentality. I don't have this level of ampness in me. That's just not me. Even as a dumb, didn't know shit rookie, I still never got like this and I actually got yelled at for it in the academy. A lot. They're like you need to be up here. It's just not in me. I'm not this type of guy. I don't have that in me. But what do you think, Ryan? Like I can't, I don't have that in me.
Speaker 7:But what do you think Ryan? So, so obviously authoritative in your commands, but you don't scream bloody murder.
Speaker 1:Right yeah.
Speaker 14:Yeah, I don't either, it just it's just not experience A lot of new guys do that, you know.
Speaker 7:But yeah, it's, it doesn't make it any more effective, yeah, it doesn't make commands any more, you know interpreted than just kind of saying, hey man, get on the ground, I'm not playing with you, you know, instead of screaming like you're in a horror movie, right, but I guess that's, that's fear and adrenaline.
Speaker 1:Right? Yep, I agreed and I've been there with my fear and adrenaline. But even when I was there, it just personally wasn't. I guess that's not how I'm wired and I would have never known that until I faced the situation. But even then I'm like get, get on the ground. You know, get on the fucking ground, like I. I'm not, I don't have that upper, I just don't have it.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I mean when you, when you were a rookie. I mean it's same thing on the radio. You know he's turning right on main street, he's turning left on on green street. Now it's it's. Now it's butter. Yeah, 20 years later it's butter, yep making a left domain making a right right nonchalant.
Speaker 1:Yep, exactly so from here. Uh, I like what the officer's doing. He's giving out commands. He went to taser. I think that's a little early um for me on a person. I can see his hands. I agree, we can see his hands, but I'm alone, I don't. I'm not gonna go to my taser until I've got somebody else there with me no, and a taser is not going through that jacket if I'm seeing it, if I'm seeing it right yeah, it does look pretty thick.
Speaker 1:It's a risk, let's put it that way. So for me, I'm probably going to hold him at gunpoint until I you know he could. He's doing what he's supposed to do. The bad guy is now. He's listening. That's great. I can see his hands. I'm just going to keep the gun at a ready low. I don't need to aim it at him once he's on the ground. But it's going to be ready and then we're going to chill. I'm going to let everybody know where I'm at.
Speaker 9:So that's what I would be doing from here. Get your hands up, motherfucker, get them out now. Do not move. You understand me? I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll.
Speaker 1:I'll, I'll oh, he had a gun on him and dope. Okay, that's our first video. Uh, that's our first video. Stop sharing, oh, heaven's back. She said someone here is a real coward and a liar when they say they allow free speech and then block people for doing just that. Cowards, you didn't get blocked. You got put on a 10-day timeout because you didn't listen and you lied. That's why and you thought I forgot, you tried to lie. That's why you got put in timeout and your timeout's over. It was like literally 24 hours. You just didn't come back or something. So, no, you didn't get blocked, because yet here you are. I don't unblock people. Once you've been blocked, you're blocked. So you didn't get unblocked. So what does that tell you there, heaven?
Speaker 7:uh, how am I not blocked?
Speaker 1:right I'd. Oh? Banning said I've lost internet on my computer. Well, you know what? Banning, banning, we don't need you. We got Alan.
Speaker 1:You lied. No, I didn't, I just actually told you what had happened. So you can lick your wounds and admit your failure and your wrong, or you can double down and you can try to make what you did my fault. I gave you the opportunity to change your stance and you didn't make what you did my fault. I gave you the opportunity to change your stance and you didn't. And there you are, but you're here. So you didn't get blocked. So what are you crying about Again? I'm not here to kiss your ass. I will call you out, just like you're trying to call me out. I am not here to sugarcoat your ego. So anyway, but you're very close to being put in timeout again because you don't have the ability to talk logically or reasonably. So it is what it is.
Speaker 1:Linkedin user. Did you block me? Nope, you're right there, just like she's not blocked. I mean, blocking is blocking. You don't get unblocked. Anybody that's ever been blocked is blocked. Steve Ladner, he got blocked, but here you are. So, anyway, let's go to the next video. Let's exit that guy.
Speaker 6:All right, let's share the screen Share.
Speaker 1:Okay, biggie size. All right, we ready and go. I think Banning completely lost the internet, so the camera will kick on here. Looks like we're searching a vehicle, so we're in the middle of a call that's another thing I get from people.
Speaker 7:Why do you use your flashlight when it's daylight?
Speaker 1:because you've never searched inside of a car right yep, yep, I use my flashlight in the daylight all the time, absolutely. And something to be aware of is underneath those, uh, those pads they're the mats on the time, absolutely. And something to be aware of is underneath those pads, the mats on the truck there. There's probably a container, open container in there to look into. Okay, so that went from zero to 100 really quick. He went from looking in a car to punching out his gun and yelling show me your hand. So we don't know what the fuck we got going on here hands in the air.
Speaker 8:Two, what's up? Give me the. I got a bell.
Speaker 1:Uh shooting another bell a while running through the backyard 123 wild okay, so my take from what we see here is he was searching a car, and another incident broke off unrelated to what he was doing, where somebody was being shot at, so that explains why he was so amped up, um that's baltimore man.
Speaker 7:I mean, this might not be baltimore, but oh, really time, yeah, all the time.
Speaker 1:Um. So in this I I would say the only little kind of rookie move that he made was trying to challenge them from so far away. I wouldn't have made. They obviously didn't know he was there. I wouldn't have let him know I was there, not until I was up on him. So, ryan, you got anything different on that?
Speaker 7:no, I agree. Um, it kind of makes me think of, uh, we, we had a case recently, um, in terms of challenging, so we, we, we lost a charge because we didn't identify ourselves, even though we were in uniform. So I think, uh, I agree with you, but stop, police is important in other aspects of a situation for sure, so it's, I agree, it's just like I'm gonna wait till I get closer.
Speaker 1:Sure, that's what my point is. I I don't want them to run faster, harder, away from me, because they or split or whatever I want to get. I want to get everybody. I don't know who's involved. What's going on? Something that we need to be careful of as cops is is the good guy chasing the bad guy right, absolutely that's a danger too.
Speaker 1:So that's another thing I'm thinking. When I see somebody with a gun chasing after somebody is like shit, this is a bad spot, because what if he's chasing somebody? Just broke into his house or just assaulted him, I don't know. So things to consider. Um, tax, squeak, zero, zero. He could have gotten a lot closer to a tactical location before announcing yes. That's kind of the point that I'm getting to.
Speaker 1:I love that. I love that name too. Patrick jokes on you. I have no brain to be special. Oh shit. Um Mayflower kid said stop Police is professional. Yeah, I, I don't really um the whole professional speak. When you're running around with guns in public, I don't give a shit. Uh, stop police is great. You know, fucking stop police. Whatever you got to do to get attention and let them know you're serious when there's guns involved, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 7:Yeah, and the only reason I said that is is that notification, that advisement is, is the arbitraries that might seem in a situation like this. It it comes up in court, right? We had a lot of issues in baltimore with plainclothes guys not identifying themselves quick enough, and I'm talking back in the day when you didn't wear a vest that said police on it. I mean, you're in jeans and a t-shirt with your little badge around your neck, right, so it is extremely important to I did it. It could burn you later, right? Yeah, have you ever dealt with anything like that? I mean, people will claim all the time I didn't know there were cops, I just saw a guy with a gun it didn't happen to me personally, but yes, I've seen it a lot.
Speaker 1:It is definitely a thing. You got to be careful with you. You do need to announce Um, oh, I'm sorry, free free is talking to said that Mayflower is referring to the last guy. Okay, yeah, fair, um, and he was amped up and and actually kind of had a right to be amped up. We ended up finding a gun and dope, so, um, it, it's one of those things. It's one of those things that's very easy to say, guys, but it doesn't matter how much you train until you get into a high-speed pursuit and you're chasing after somebody.
Speaker 1:Now, I think where we agree on the panel is we never would have chased after that motorcycle, but he did, and because he did, he got way up here. So I, language is probably one of the last things I give a shit about. I don't care. At the end of the day, did the bad guy get hurt unnecessarily? You know? Did we catch the guy? Did anybody innocent citizen get hurt unnecessarily, like? Those are the things to worry about. Let's not focus on this fucking language. I don't give a shit. Um, you know, it depends on the video. It just depends on the video and something like that. I don't care so, um, what is your opinion on the use of profanity in a situation as stressful? I just said it. I didn't even read that question yet it is what it is yeah, I I.
Speaker 1:I believe in swearing with a purpose, not swearing to demean.
Speaker 7:I hope that makes sense it does, because if you've worked a bad area, sometimes it's the only language motherfuckers speak to be right like it just is yep, yeah, I don't mind if you're going to be like drop the fucking gun, get on the fucking ground.
Speaker 1:Hey, motherfucker, get on the ground, whatever it is. But if you're like you dumb piece of shit, like what the fuck were you thinking? You dumb ass motherfucker like?
Speaker 7:I don't like that.
Speaker 1:Now we're demeaning them why.
Speaker 7:Right, and you don't need to do that.
Speaker 1:I'm swearing to get a point across, to show the seriousness, to avoid using force.
Speaker 7:Right and and and. If you've worked a bad area, you know career criminals. They can sniff you out. They can tell who's weak and who's not. You know, they can tell who's a rookie, who's been on for a while. These, these little telltale signs, can absolutely have an effect, so I'm not saying that you need to curse at somebody, but but it does. It's applicable in certain situations Cause, like I said, it's the only language some people speak, so yeah, you know, one of the things that blew me away is really quickly on.
Speaker 6:As a rookie I learned they investigate the bad guys. Investigate us as much as we investigate them, you know they know when you're going to come with PD. You know, they know when you're, you know you go to the donut shop. They know all that. They have it documented. They, you know, and it's uh, it's information that they use against you.
Speaker 7:Absolutely yeah, and the one time you get off they know when shift changes. I mean it's a business, right, it's illegitimate. But drug dealers, you know people are doing dirt, it's. It's a business, Yep.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, the uh Mayflower kid. He's like belitt, like belittling is bullying, verbal abuse, and I agree I don't think there's a time and a place. If we want this profession and I consider policing a profession if we want it to be considered a profession, treated like a profession, we need to avoid using force. That's one thing. Escalated language to avoid force that makes sense and you need to articulate that and you need to put it in your report why you said what you said and when you said it. But if you start to call people names and demean them and do all that shit, that doesn't have any place in law enforcement. I don't care what it is, their punishment is going to happen in court. Your job as a cop is not to inflict that punishment, whether it be verbal or whatever.
Speaker 6:I spent a lot of times in the school and there were so many times when I couldn't get a kid's attention until I spoke their language to them, the way that they spoke to each other. You know, de-escalating to get a fight to stop or something like that, but then you have to know when to stop, like you can't just continue to call them motherfuckers and this and that. Once they de-escalated, then I de-escalated and brought it back.
Speaker 7:Yeah, absolutely. I think, that you and Matt Eric, you and Matt Thornton talk a lot about this. The ego right.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 7:That ego. I'm not keen on the fact that law enforcement attract, you know, a lot of people say law enforcement attracts egotistical people. You know, sometimes it's sociopathic tendencies. I'm not, I don't necessarily agree with that, but uh, you know, putting on that uniform as it, as a 21 year old kid, it can be intoxicating, right, and it could kind of get to your head. Uh, and again, the way you and Matt talk about it, it, it, it really makes sense, like especially pre body camera, when it was, it was easy to talk to people however you wanted to, right, it doesn't make it. It doesn't make it right, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, but it's, it's the culture. We're changing the culture, absolutely. And we're trying to bring that to light. Like hey man, that may have been cool in the 90s but it's not it's going away, dude, and and that's the thing it was.
Speaker 7:it was considered cool and I'm coming from baltimore city, one of the most toxic, violent police departments that's ever existed, that that that was cool, right, and it was kind of this they're a gang, we're a gang, you know, gang versus gang.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're with them, yeah.
Speaker 7:Yeah, it was bad news. And you saw what happened with the Gun Trace Task Force and did you watch we Own this City? Yeah, I don't know if you saw that on HBO. That was all true. I work with some of those guys. Just, obviously it doesn't fly anymore because of body cameras, but it it shouldn't fly ever, right, I mean, even if you don't have a camera. Matt Matt talks a lot about the oath Right. We forget, we forget about that Right.
Speaker 1:But the thing is is in. I want you guys if you guys want a good example of this, I just had my dad on the podcast and you have to be a member on our YouTube channel to see the full episode to watch it. Um, but I want you guys to know I named it old school versus new school because my dad is talking about shit that he did that. I'm just like my god, dude, you can't do that shit, and part of the conversation is me sitting there going I'm I'm ashamed to you're, my dad and you did some of this shit and he you know, but we're having the. Not that I'm truly ashamed of my dad. Like it was the culture back then, that was okay, the citizens were okay with it back then. Like it was the culture back then, that was okay, the citizens were okay with it back then. Like it was one of the and that's what we discussed and can we, can we be honest, right was it?
Speaker 7:was it effective? I mean, did it stop a lot?
Speaker 1:of shit from happening, you know yes and so we got into that conversation and by the end of the, the thing you know, he talked about how like he looks back and he he would never do the stuff or allow that stuff that he saw happen back then because of how he's evolved as a cop, and it was just. It was a really cool conversation. We had no agenda, we didn't, we didn't know what we were going to talk about. I just asked them to come over and that's what we riffed on and it was great. It was really one of my favorite podcasts and I haven't put a full podcast video on my YouTube channel in probably a year at least. So this one I've decided that if I'm going to put a full video on my YouTube channel, it's going to be just for my members, so that's a special treat that you guys get. I'll put the whole audio one up on Buzzsprout, which it's on there now, but it was a great episode. But we talked just about that same exact thing the culture of policing.
Speaker 7:I can't wait to watch it because I've had many similar conversations with my dad. You talked to him earlier. He told you I wouldn't, I wouldn't make it today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we're going to have to survive. Yes, yeah, he agreed, so yeah.
Speaker 6:You know, we, we uh, one of the episodes in the past and I can't think of the guy's name. He was Chicago PD and he was telling us about old school Chicago and and you know how corrupt it was. But then he also explained those guys were making like $70 a week or something and they're paying kids to wake them up in a church, that are sitting in their car, and then the gangsters are coming in and saying, hey, we'll pay for your night. No wonder everything was corrupt. We weren't paying them to be officers.
Speaker 1:I feel like an asshole. I can't remember who that was either.
Speaker 6:I remember the episode. Yeah, it was a good episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure, all right, let's see how this video continues here. Boys, Show me your fucking hands. Show me your hands. Okay, swearing with a purpose. Show me your fucking hands. The reason he's saying that is because he doesn't want to have to shoot right, and I truly don't think he's trying to sound cool again.
Speaker 7:Yeah, when you put that, when you put that, show me your fucking hands in there. It, it gives it purpose.
Speaker 1:Like you, said yes, yes, exactly, yes exactly.
Speaker 9:Hands in the air Hands in the air Hands in the fucking air 2-1-7,.
Speaker 8:I got shots fired Shots fired in the backyard.
Speaker 1:One shot. That's a very controlled shooting. That doesn't happen a whole lot Under stress and movement.
Speaker 6:That's pretty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that wasn't an accidental shot. That was intentional. That was a very aimed shot. You could tell just by the mechanics of his hands. I don't know how many firearms people are out there, but that wasn't a oh shit. There was no reaction. That was an intentional shot. I couldn't tell if he was stabbing or it looked like he was doing something to somebody on the ground.
Speaker 8:Blue shots fired. Give me the air.
Speaker 1:Stay off the fucking radio. Stay off the radio. Stay off the radio. God damn it, Ryan. How many times have you heard me say that on the air?
Speaker 7:Bro, when I tell you you're in a situation and some asshole pops up, you know 23, 29,. I got a traffic stop and you get off the air. I'm in a foot chase. Yeah, it's, there's always, there's always that guy, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:Yep, Well, my thing is the guy involved in this incident right now. I'm like you are involved with somebody with a gun. I don't give a shit about anybody on the radio. I'm not trying to talk to anybody. I need to handle what's in front of me right now, because it's not under control at all right, and that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1:I have not controlled this, yet yes, and if, all of a sudden, as I'm trying to get on my microphone and I've, I've got one hand on the gun. I have no longer in a. If anybody's ever shot a pistol one-handed, it's, it's not easy like you got to be a fucking gangster to do that.
Speaker 1:All you got to practice it a lot. I don't like shooting one-handed ever, especially when my life's possibly on the line or somebody else's life is on the line because this guy's chasing after another person with a gun. So, um, stay off the radio until you have an opportunity to do it. I don't consider this an opportunity to get on the radio. Anybody else do.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I mean I and I. I find that in a lot of situations like this, you, you have people on the radio looking for guidance from their supervisors. In a situation like this, make a fucking command decision. You know, don't get on the radio ask. You know looking for guidance when this guy's going through this. Does that make sense? Yeah, do do what you know is right. You know at the time, stay your ass off the radio. Yeah, just just do it.
Speaker 1:Show your fucking hands in our discord. I love his marketing. It's great.
Speaker 6:One of the big things that's being talked about in Texas and pushed out through a lot of the active shooter response stuff now is you're on scene, you're in charge, regardless what your sergeant says over some radio. They're not on scene, they can't see it. You have to take charge until the time comes that you relinquish that.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 7:Yep, right, like every cop's a leader, right Every cop's a leader regardless of rank and that sometimes you got to take that, that control.
Speaker 1:So Andy Fletcher said my Taurus was great One-handed. What type of Taurus were you shooting, bro? Don't get me wrong. There's some nice Taurus out there the junk. That was a fun gun to shoot.
Speaker 6:I was in the academy and the guy next to me's Taurus blew up. The whole side of it blew off his gun.
Speaker 1:Why did he have a Taurus in the?
Speaker 6:academy. It was an academy where you bring your own oh my god, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:What did Outdoors say? Miss and bury one in the ground or backdrop is a lot different than missing and burying one in the person you're trying to help. Yes, definitely don't want to shoot the wrong person. Linkedin user said that was a control shooting. Dang eric, you nailed it thank you? Yeah, that was, that was a. It was a clean, well precision shot um did you guys?
Speaker 7:did you guys see what happened? I can't tell from here. Did he come up with the gun? Why did? Why did?
Speaker 1:I couldn't tell. I'll go back a little bit.
Speaker 6:There was a shooting or something that caused him to start spawning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he ran after him because of a gunshot or gun something.
Speaker 8:But let's see again, I got shots, fired Shots fired.
Speaker 1:Oh, he already shot.
Speaker 7:I'm just wondering why he cracked off so he's doing something.
Speaker 1:I'm just wielding there. Yeah, I can't tell what you're doing. Okay, so he's doing something. I'm just wielded there, yeah, I can't tell what you're doing. He's not quite on the ground yet. Yeah, you can see that arm is out it I. To me it looks like he's either trying to use a gun or a knife to this guy. I can't tell what or what he's doing, but he's he's going to town on whoever's underneath him.
Speaker 8:Yeah, doing, but he's going to town on whoever's underneath him 217, I got shots fired, shots fired in the backyard, blue shots fired, give me the air.
Speaker 9:Get on, do not fucking move. Do not fucking move, get on, it's not me, I'm not shot 217,.
Speaker 8:I was on.
Speaker 1:He said it's not me, I'm not shot. Is that what you guys heard?
Speaker 7:That's what I heard.
Speaker 8:Let me try it again.
Speaker 1:It's either, it's not me, I got shot. It's not me, I'm not shot. I can't tell what he's saying.
Speaker 6:I think he said got shot.
Speaker 1:Oh, closed caption.
Speaker 8:Let's find it 217,. I was on admin. I got shots fired, 123 while Do not fucking move, do not fucking move.
Speaker 1:Of course closed caption didn't pick it up.
Speaker 8:I got shots, fired 123 while Now we're shooting another male. Both of you stop moving.
Speaker 1:A male was shooting another male. Imagine of you stop moving. A male was shooting another male. Imagine hearing that on the radio. I would be like what in the fuck is happening over there?
Speaker 8:Start EMS this way. Looks like I got a suspect down Male black.
Speaker 1:This is the hard part Thinking through what we've got to say next, because we can't process what we just fucking did or saw. This is the hard part, guys, and you can hear and see the confusion of this officer. He doesn't know what to do next. Because this is the part that's never trained. We train shoot a threat, handle a threat, deal with the threat. No one really ever goes through the follow-through.
Speaker 7:You can't train this. How do you train real life?
Speaker 1:It doesn't. Yeah, exactly, let's keep going. Next, I tell you guys this all the time, but if you're new scene security, then you go after everybody's health and welfare. So we're going and doing medical uh procedures and then we gather information and where you see, cops fuck up as we go from scene security to information and we haven't even gotten security yet, we start jumping around and we got to get scene security first.
Speaker 8:All right, all right, hey, hey, all right. Everybody, I'm going to holster up, I'm going to cuff this guy. Hold cover, hold cover on him.
Speaker 1:Okay, he's thinking through, he's trying to woosah himself.
Speaker 7:He's jacked up though. Yeah, oh, he's eked big time. He's shaking rightfully so.
Speaker 1:He just shot a human being or shot at one like this is a, this is a natural. This is the type of reaction I would hope I would get from somebody you know that's never fired at a person don't you fucking move.
Speaker 14:Gun right there, gun right there oh, we got one male shot right now. Get him secured. I got one male shot right now.
Speaker 1:Get them secured, jesus Christ. This is the frustrating part. Secure, then get the information. I just said this. Secure, render aid if needed, but then get the information out. I don't care that the people that aren't there don't know what's going on. I don't give a shit, it doesn't concern them. You got anything, ryan?
Speaker 7:Yeah, have you seen any other cops yet? I don't.
Speaker 1:There's somebody else there. He's talking to him. I just haven't seen him. I think he's dealing with the other dude.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I mean, would you consider this secured at this point?
Speaker 1:Not yet, he's not cuffed Right.
Speaker 7:That's what I'm saying, like as soon as he cuffs that guy, then I'm good, you're good with medical getting into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, once he's got cuffs on and that gun is not within reach, I'm good. That's all I need.
Speaker 7:Nothing around there is concerning you at this point. I mean, this is.
Speaker 1:Not right now.
Speaker 6:To me there's more going on because there was some dude laying on the porch earlier.
Speaker 7:I agree.
Speaker 6:You know, I didn't even see that yeah, Before when he came running up between the two houses there's a dude like laid out on the porch, and so you know who else is involved in this Right and Eric.
Speaker 7:Ericic family members right, for some reason they come out of the woodwork. Yeah, doesn't matter where you are. Mom, dad shows up right right, yeah, and so that's another concern. So, I agree, we we're going to start medical as soon as, as soon as we can, but I'm going to give it just a little more time to make sure everything's okay, because you know, yeah, yeah, but my point is I'm not jumping on the radio as I'm in the process of cuffing and then I stop cuffing to get on the radio to update.
Speaker 7:Sure, no, absolutely, absolutely. I was kind of speaking in terms of after you got that left arm, you know, hooked up.
Speaker 1:And then I'm still going to scan. Yes for sure.
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah, no yeah, I'm still gonna.
Speaker 8:I'm gonna scan, yes, for sure. Yeah, that's a good point and definitely get on the radio and get some more units. Start two rigs for now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that you can hear the chaos yeah, I like that the partner's yelling out to whatever crowd's probably starting to form. We got an ambulance coming because it's family friends, negative.
Speaker 8:Blue shots fired. Blue shots fired. Are you hit from you? From me, where? No, are you hit for me?
Speaker 1:this is all right it's like a hip shot that was his gonna.
Speaker 8:This is. This is where I hit you, right here in the side. All right, calm down, buddy. What is your name?
Speaker 1:That's the ultimate professional he just went from. I shot this guy, got him secured to calm down buddy, I'm going to help you. That is a fucking pro. That's awesome. That's how it should be.
Speaker 8:Thank you for helping me, the guy on the ground. I saw you chasing him.
Speaker 1:No, no, that was the guy that was over top the guy that was ground.
Speaker 7:I saw you chasing him.
Speaker 1:No, no, that was the guy that was over top. The guy that was over top scrambled. Okay, yeah, 127, is there anything else happening?
Speaker 9:Got the gun cleared it out.
Speaker 1:That's it. That's it. That's gorgeous. I that's that's textbook. I think that was fine. No worries with that one. So anybody else got a concern? I'm I'm looking over at the comments to see if, uh, anybody else had anything to say. Um, mag dump said two cops, when don't I hear you? But I'm telling you that most California agencies don't allow it for agency use or CCW. Most ranges don't allow it.
Speaker 6:It's the P P three, 20 that we're talking about?
Speaker 1:Oh, they were talking about the three 20.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a lot of agencies carrying it. Dps carries it.
Speaker 1:I was carrying it in the military but we uh, we banned it. You know six, two reputable of a company that can, can you know, they're either going to replace it or something there's too many agencies to have it yeah, and I'll say this about the 320 uh, as an air force member like it was a fun gun, it worked. It shot well, um functioned, everything great. I just I do get concerned about it. You know it's happened too many times at this point to risk, it right?
Speaker 1:yeah, yep, yep, there's a design flaw somewhere I don't know. Risk it right. Yeah, yep, yep. There's a design flaw somewhere. I don't know where it's at. Sorry, sig's a great gun. I don't want anybody to sit there and go fuck Sig. I would never carry a Sig.
Speaker 7:Sig makes great firearms, just not that one, the 365 and the Secret Service. They've since gone to Glocks, but yeah, good gun.
Speaker 1:They've got great rifles. I love their rifles, amazing stuff. So what did Eye of the Night say? A pro, but also not realizing that telling the shot person to calm down is peak, stupid Bro. He's amped up on fucking adrenaline. We don't talk like ourselves when we're pumped up on adrenaline. Have a little empathy for what this man just went through. That's what you want. You want him to say some dumb shit that shows that he realizes the gravity of what is going on. That is a cop that is as human as they get. If he was a robot and just was like you know, stick your finger in that hole, you'll be fine and just was unempathetic, that would be a problem, yeah.
Speaker 7:That's the disconnect, though, right, yeah, and nothing against the person that just commented it. Just, I've never seen a profession, any profession, and I've racked my brain about it. I've never seen a profession where every single person in the world knows how to do this better than we do. Yeah, but they've never done it. No. Everybody's an expert at being a cop. And have you seen? Have you, would you agree with? That. I do.
Speaker 7:They don't just comment like, well, I'm not a cop, but I would have done this. They talk like they know what they're doing and it's frustrating.
Speaker 1:And the frustrating part is they expect training to fix that. Well, they had the training. They should know what they're doing, they know what they got into. Listen, no training. Every training you get is in a safe environment. End of the day, even if, subconsciously, that's all you know, it's a safe environment.
Speaker 7:There is a different level when it's life or death, and I think that goes to, uh, your recent video about de-escalation. Yes, we, we've let this get into the minds of the people and they just don't understand. Yep, what, what ds like, like I feel like the public kind of feels like if you're trained enough, you can de-escalate anything.
Speaker 1:Right, you can't de-escalate somebody that doesn't want to be de-escalated.
Speaker 7:You can't de-escalate most things, in my opinion. I've had some success in my career de-escalating, but we respond to volatile, violent situations. It's very difficult to de-escalate right. And then you can also argue that sometimes de-escalating is using your bat belt, the things that people don't like to see. So it doesn't get worse, it has to be right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, I, I, I've. I've been fortunate that in my career I've been able to uh, uh. I'll read Patrick True Love's comment here real quick. I spout uh till I'm blue in the face. Nobody knows how they will act in any given situation until they are in said situation. And I, I agree, I agree, it's uh. And even me, I guys, I'll be the first to tell you, I, I like, I put a video out today where an officer shot an unarmed person and in my opinion, I'm like, I thought it was bullshit, but that doesn't mean I'm right.
Speaker 1:I don't know what was going through that officer's head. He may have been severely out of shape, which, again, I still think is wrong, but it doesn't mean the reason he pulled the trigger was wrong. I get why he may have pulled the trigger. I just think in the point that I was trying to make on that video and I'll show, actually, I'll show that next, I'll actually we'll pull up and we'll discuss that video because it's actually I'm glad to hear you say that my brother yeah, um, let me see here, let me go to my social media we'll go to.
Speaker 1:We'll just go to instagram, that's the easiest. Oh well, I almost. I'm a moron. I almost left this page to go to.
Speaker 7:The whole thing would have been gone eric, you got a fan of your shirt.
Speaker 1:I do. Yeah. Hell yeah.
Speaker 6:He said you remind him of curious George. He wants to adopt you. What? A. Linkedin user, so we don't know who it is. But all of you did an excellent job in explaining what's going on in the video. I'm sorry to say this but your shirt is stealing the show. The man with the yellow hat would have been jealous. I don't know who wants to adopt you.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it. It's a retro rifle shirt, but I got to give a shout out to Brandar. He just dropped 20 bones of his hard-earned cash on a super chat. He said ryan, yeah, but also never seen another job that let workers keep working when they violate policies, then give them good reviews when they leave under investigation or stop investigations once a worker leaves, and that has happened and brandar, I couldn't, I couldn't agree with you more yeah absolutely.
Speaker 7:I mean and this is the great thing about this dialogue I mean I'm glad you brought that up. You're a hundred percent right, I'm not going to deny that. So how do we fix it Right?
Speaker 1:Yep, right. One of the ways we fix that is I think there should be a national registry for policing, once you get into this job, if you leave for policing, once you get into this job, if you leave, your leaving record should be something for all law enforcement departments to see across the nation. If you left under investigation, pending charges, anything, and were allowed to leave I don't mind that a department is like, we'll let you resign, whatever. I still want to know why they resigned, what the investigation was, what the evidence that you had was under that, because I can tell you this if I'm a department, if you left under investigation and nothing in the in the stop the investigation, I don't care, you're not getting hired. Yeah, I mean, obviously, that's that's super suspect.
Speaker 7:I just uh, and I agree with you. I, you don't need to be a cop, sure, sure, but uh, on the flip side there are police officers who have gotten a raw deal right, did not deserve it, right. So fair.
Speaker 1:Agree with that, but that goes into the background check. It just depends I guess I was coming at if the officer didn't divulge it, that's kind of right, I didn't.
Speaker 7:That's my fault. Yep, yeah, I picked up on that. I just um, there, there have been police. I won't get into it. Hopefully, that's I know. You said next time we talk on the show we'll get into more specific things. But you know there are cops that have have gotten a raw deal and if you start, if you go down this path where you're going to start banging cops for things that really aren't uh, for things that really aren't uh, they didn't really do anything, we're going to add to that recruitment problem, right? Yeah, we already have a huge we have a huge recruitment problem.
Speaker 1:You're a hundred, right?
Speaker 7:Yes, and and so you don't want to scare the good ones off, because we got enough problems now, because they hire the bad ones, because they got to hire somebody, right, right.
Speaker 1:And that because they hire the bad ones, because they got to hire somebody right, right and that, and that's what we've created. We've lowered, we keep lowering the bar. And you go to these defunded places that are like all right, defunding was bad, we just lost 600 officers. And then how do they hire? They offer these great incentives and their hiring standards are shit I saw one the other day.
Speaker 7:Uh, you could not have smoked marijuana in the last three months, three months.
Speaker 1:Hey bro, there's departments that allow you to smoke, I think in New Jersey.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I read about that, but again, that's not a good thing, right? I don't care how you cut it, I don't care what anybody is in their personal life. I'm not judging anybody, right? I don't care how you cut it, I don't care what anybody is in their personal life, I'm not judging anybody.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, like you, start having more critical incidents because you're hiring the wrong people yeah, it depends, like for me, the way that I look at weed is like if it's legal in your state, okay, it's legal in your state. Like it, it's just like alcohol you know, goes out of your system within how many hours?
Speaker 7:I agree.
Speaker 1:It just depends on you know. Power to the States. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 7:Right, absolutely. But my point is it used to be some agencies. You could never smoke weed. Then it was. You couldn't have smoked weed in the last five years, and now it's the last three months. That's the point I'm trying to make. So we're we're lowering everything, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is actually a very interesting point I never considered. Brandar86 said and he donated 10, I think he's donated 30 bucks now tonight. Thank you, Brandar. I think police work should be handled like military contractual obligations and cannot end a contract when in trouble situation Department decides if they want to renew the contract. That's actually.
Speaker 7:And I see where he's going with that, but we cannot militarize the police under any circumstances.
Speaker 1:Yes, under any.
Speaker 7:Yeah, any. Yeah, yeah, I understand his point. I know where he's going with it. Yeah, we yeah can't do that.
Speaker 1:Interesting concept, yeah.
Speaker 6:Interesting concept for sure, yeah well, you know, and that's one of the biggest problems with I agree with the whole having a federal database, things like that, but then we across the board don't have the same federal standards within agencies and same you know, laws are different in every state, and so you get away with certain things here, but you don't, even within the same state, you know.
Speaker 6:and so what one agency is going to look the other way for the next agency is like oh no, we'll accept that, and you know it. There is not a set standard across the board, but yet the, the outlooking community has the exact same standard of holding cops accountable and things like that. And we're not even doing it within our own agencies.
Speaker 7:Yeah, alan, alan makes a great point. I mean, you can literally get rejected from a police department and get hired by the next door County.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 7:Yep, that, that's something I always I was like how does that make sense, you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, tim Owen said uh, no, the issue is professional responsibility. Once you become a police officer, we have a responsibility to the badge and to the job, not to do, not to do certain things called professional responsibility. I like that. I agree, agreed, yep. And some people are saying you know, no, he's not talking about militarization. We understand the accountability.
Speaker 7:I know he's not. I know he's not, but because of what he's talking about, it could, it could never happen. I mean, the constitution would, wouldn't allow that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean yeah, and, and it's part of the the thing that I hate and I've had a, I had a navy seal on here before. Why me? Um, if you guys remember, act of valor, um, so I I had had Wyman on here and we talked about that. He and I we bullshitted back and forth, where I get so tired of seeing these military guys come on to, like Joe Rogan and some of these other big podcasts, sean Ryan, and try to talk about police work from a military mindset. And I'm like hello, I'm military as well.
Speaker 1:Part of the problem with the military when they're sitting there and they're going off of an active duty mindset is yes, when you were active duty, you were 24-7, 365, beholden to what the government wanted you to do. You were paid a standard rate, no matter what. You didn't get overtime, you didn't get any shit, because that's a contract that you had. So, of course, if you had a mission, whatever it was, you got to prep. You knew the background, especially if you're in these special operation teams. Cops don't have that. You think that they can train the same way that you trained in the military, and that's not feasible.
Speaker 7:No and it wasn't the way it was designed to be.
Speaker 1:Exactly, yeah. And to think that that's what they have in the SWAT team they're, they're you know about as close as it gets, because they train 24 seven when they're not after actively doing a mission. But for regular police street guys like no, they, they clock in, they clock out, they're done.
Speaker 7:Yeah, and I think a lot of uh people confuse that they because, because military translates so much in into police work, but that's all it does, like they're two totally separate things. Yeah, it's just the personalities that end up shifting over from military, military to police. You know and I see why, but they're, they're two totally different things. It just yeah, you cannot militarize uh american police forces and and it wouldn't work, it wouldn't be constitutional.
Speaker 1:Um, they're busting my balls. Eric your air force listen, you sons of bitches. My boot camp was six and a half weeks. How dare you listen? It takes the marine corps double the time it took me to learn all the same stuff. That's all I can say. So don't get mad at me because I'm smart. For a military standard, it's not a lot, oh shit. Okay, the video I want to show. Let me share that real quick and we will discuss this guy. What's it titled? Two Cops, one Donut. There we go. Share.
Speaker 7:I'm kind of sad we couldn't get banning back.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, he said his videos fucking out. All right, here we go. I'm going to click this one, that is as let me see what this does. That's as large as I can make that y'all. It's bigger than what they show on. What do you call it? That's bigger than what they show on. Uh, what do you call it? It's bigger than what they show on Instagram. So here we go get back.
Speaker 11:This is an example why you need to be training in violence when tools fail you have to be able.
Speaker 1:So um quick, um update on this. That's not me speaking. Some people were like that's tactical carl. I got this video from Tactical Carl's Instagram page, so make sure you guys follow and like him. I like the dude. He's very good and doesn't have a huge following but really knows his stuff and I just like his style. But anyway, that's him talking and society thinks it's so wrong.
Speaker 11:The police officer has to whoop somebody's ass. A ass whooping needed to commence in this situation, but in law enforcement it has gotten so soft to the point to where we have this Individuals are not training hard, they're not fighting, they're not doing red mans, they're not rolling on the ground. So your end solution Back up.
Speaker 1:Get down on the ground. So you're in solution. I put those sound effects in there. I didn't want TikTok to get me Now. We actually covered this video back when it happened on a live. We covered this. So I'm going to stop sharing and um so can I?
Speaker 7:can I just start off? I'm gonna imagine you're gonna go on the in the direction of if this cop could scrap, it wouldn't have come to this. Is that is that fair, or?
Speaker 1:kind of I've got more, um, okay, kind of one of the the, so okay, I'll go. So you don't. You don't assume anything. My point is do I understand why this guy fired? I do. He exhausted all his resources and he had nothing else left and he fired. And I will say that standard across the board when it comes to policing. He will be justified in this, they will justify it.
Speaker 1:But my point, what I'm trying to say, had this person and all cops taken this career field seriously and prepared properly, they would have never got to this. They would have never got to this point. He wouldn't have went to a baton or a taser or threatened to shoot as early as he did. That was one of the first things he said out of his mouth. I will shoot you Because he didn't have the confidence in his training, he wasn't properly trained, he didn't take the preparation it takes to do this job.
Speaker 1:To go hands-on, that is not a complicated hands-on situation. And you could tell that because when he did go hands-on, that is not a complicated hands-on situation. And you could tell that because when he did go hands-on he was on the radio. Who goes hands-on and gets on the radio, right? So that is kind of the point that I'm trying to make. With what happened here do I understand why he got to the point where he did fire? He didn't leave himself any other choice. But what I don't like is when he decided to fire. We're in an open field with distance time, so well, how do we judge when we do use force, time, distance and opportunity? There was time and distance and zero opportunity for this guy to do anything. His hands were empty empty.
Speaker 7:I can't agree more. There was a similar video recently.
Speaker 1:The Aurora, Colorado one.
Speaker 7:I think that was it.
Speaker 1:I haven't said shit because I heard a gun was involved somewhere. I just don't know where it's at, so I haven't said anything.
Speaker 7:Yeah, so I agree, if you can get space. Yeah. Preserve life right.
Speaker 6:All the cars there you could have done ring around the rosies. Yeah, I've done that. I was right.
Speaker 1:I've told that story on here. I had a guy that had a barbecue tool and I was at my car. We did a little Benny Hill around the car for a second. He was demented and he was like 400 pounds, so I mean heavily out of shape. He was already breathing heavy when he got out to me and he was having something going on, I could tell, and I I used the car to to tire him out a little bit. But then I realized I was like man, I'm on a straightaway. I was like let me. I baited him. I literally I was like you are not going to get me with that, you're a slow bitch. Like I Talked shit to him Intentionally.
Speaker 6:Got him out of his oodle loop and the point wasn't to demean him.
Speaker 1:Yes, I wasn't trying To demean him, it was to get. I had a purpose behind it. I articulated that I was like the reason. I swore at him and I owned it. I put it in my report that I did curse at him and I ran down at him and I owned it. I put it in my report that I did curse at him and I ran down the street and he chased me. But I knew my cardio. I was good to go. I didn't want to have to shoot the guy. My backup arrived as I'm down the street. I had like a fucking 50 yard distance between us. There was no people out there. He was only a threat to me and my partners got there and one of the partners ended up tasing him. So who's a smart guy? I tired him out. He wasn't getting me and then somebody else tased him. I didn't have to do shit right, right.
Speaker 7:You know there's that officer level and that that that goes to the, the culture of, uh, some officers just wanting to get some right and I don't, they, don't they don't want to do the smart thing that you did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't ever I don't you got a lot of cops. They just, they just want to get some right and I don't, they don't, they don't want to do the smart thing that you did yeah, I don't, ever, I don't.
Speaker 7:You got a lot of cops. They just, they just want to get some yeah and that's. That's where we end up in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I would always fuck around with my rookies, you know as a sergeant, like all right, let's go on getting to some shit and that's just to get them, you know, pumped up about doing police work. But realistically and I'll tell them like, listen, a good night is when we don't have to do anything.
Speaker 7:It's a great night absolutely that's a great night and that comes with years and experience, right yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:But I tell my guys, when you do have to do something, let's do it right, yeah. And let's train, let's debrief, let's figure out how we could have done what we did, even if we think we did it perfect. Let's talk about it, let's try to do it better, because we can always do better. So, sergeants out there, debrief always if you can, even on simple things, debrief with your guys. It really a lot of stuff comes out of that motherfucking centurion. I am going to ban you. I'm going to ban the shit out of you. You son, son of a bitch. He keeps roasting me.
Speaker 6:I would completely agree with this comment by Marine Blood here on a conversation that they had there.
Speaker 6:Tim, part of the problem is because there's no serious consequences for crime, so criminals are getting bolder, and thus police need more military-style equipment to make it home. We're having to. You know, it's not just any longer the Batman belt that we carry, it's all the other things that are in our patrol units as well. You know you, you have tactical shields and you have, you know, shotguns and rifles and all the other things. You can't do your job well, you don't just show up with a Batman belt.
Speaker 1:Right, yep, craig Holcomb Good point. I don't know why I'm typing it out now that I can say it. He said it's hard to put a 400 pound man in a DARS man. The EH Taylor's hitting hard tonight in a darts choke. Yeah, you ain't lying. You shouldn't be choking people. You shouldn't be choking people.
Speaker 1:However, I highly disagree that we shouldn't be allowed to choke people. I've told people this a million times. There are thousands of jujitsu places in America that are the most basic of LLCs and they hold the liability insurance of choking each other out daily. How do I know? I've done jujitsu since 06 and I go to these gyms all the time and I've been choked out because I'm a stubborn asshole and I come back alive every time because they're trained, they know what they're doing. There's look at Germany, german police. I like pointing them out because they've used the what it's called the rear naked choke or the lateral vascular neck restraint, or whatever you want to call it, and it is a great tool. But here in America, the media has spun chokes into what they think it is and it is a tool that could be used, if trained properly, and really help lower people getting injured, including bad guys.
Speaker 7:It's saved lives right.
Speaker 1:It's never going to happen in the United States it's just not popular. Yep, not for the next 20 years, at least Not until people come back around on it. That's all I can say. Maybe you aren't Batman, you are a public servant. Hey, it's a Batman belt.
Speaker 7:Come on, bro, it's comic books eric, I'm gonna disappear for 20 seconds, brother, no worries, brother uh, mayflower kid dude, they just call it a batman, belt, they're not claiming to be batman yeah, I'm not out there because my parents got murdered and I'm trying to Trying to get vengeance and justice.
Speaker 6:The Joker's going to show up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the Joker Batman Bell Again. Mayflower, I know you're new here with what we're doing, but don't let yourself get wrapped into the little semantical things about what we're talking about. Think about the bigger picture. Think about calling it a Batman belt. Is that really a concern? Is that really going to change anything? Relax, it's not a big deal. I'm glad you're laughing, thank you, um so, uh, yeah, let's, uh, let's go to another video here. I'm going to pull up this guy. We're going to share screen. Oh, oh wait, it shared me instead of the video. All right, biggie size this, will we all right?
Speaker 1:all right, let's get you ready, alan I am the volumes I don't know, okay, so this is a new thing youtube's doing the the volume is down on every single video, so you're having to bring it up. I gotta bring it up. Yeah, it's crazy. I don't like it. This is a new thing YouTube's doing.
Speaker 6:The volume is down on every single video, so you're having to bring it up.
Speaker 1:I got to bring it up. Yeah, that's crazy. I don't like it. Okay, let's go. All right, looks like we have patrol cars in front of us and guy on the bike.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's talk about reasonable, prudent person, um a reasonable and prudent person with a fully uniformed officer standing here as you can see my mouth, uh and a fully marked patrol vehicle and fully marked patrol vehicles flashing their lights back here. I don't know if our guy that's our dash cam is doing that. They're not going to think that they're free to leave. So I think it's fair to say that this person is intentionally trying to evade police.
Speaker 7:Sorry fellas, what do we got?
Speaker 1:Okay, you haven't missed much. I'll go back. So what you'll be able to see here, ryan, why does it keep doing that, making me bigger? So in the background you can see lights flashing, so it looks like there's some patrol vehicles down there. We're arriving to scene and then you'll see a uniformed officer in the street. So we got about right here and I would say it's pretty obvious that these officers are trying to stop this guy on the bike and fully, fully uniformed officer, fully marked vehicles with lights all going. I we don't know if they're sirens, because it's silent right now I I would think any reasonable and prudent person would believe that they are not free to leave and these officers are trying to stop you so will you explain the volume thing?
Speaker 1:somebody's making a comment about it um, the volume will be down on all your videos till you turn it up again and close out your browser and restart. Oh, okay, well, I'm not closing anything because I've already got these videos pulled up, so but let's keep going. Okay, come on, dude, you had them all right, this whole thing. I don't know what's going to happen in this video, but I can tell you right now this was the moment it all could have been stopped, and it wasn't Because why he had the opportunity right here. This guy could have been taken down here. He hesitated, he double-stepped and then he hesitated. So I don't know what's going to happen, but this guy could have stopped it right here. Looks like this officer is coming in, maybe from the same direction, I don't know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Copy needed 20F, x-ray 34,. I missed what you said. I can't get this UPS.
Speaker 6:Copy.
Speaker 1:Gun. Get on the ground right now. You're gonna get shot. Bad position to be in. I already heard him call out gun. This guy's giving weird signals. Kind of looks like he doesn't want no smoke, but he's got a gun. Maybe he's doing suicide by cop.
Speaker 7:I was going to say suicide by cop is what I'm getting from this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Brandar just donated another $5. Brandar is dumping all his money on us tonight. I appreciate you, brother. He said I have seen officers claim to be a subject to a subject, that they are not detained because their lights are on. Let me read that again. I have seen officers claim to a subject they are not detained because their lights are on.
Speaker 1:It depends when I turn my lights on and I direct my attention to you. I think any reasonable and prudent person would believe that they're being detained. I think any reasonable and prudent person would believe that they're being detained. Lights do seize people. That is the manner and what they're intended, as well as being a warning that we're coming through.
Speaker 6:And there's actually research on the different patterns and the intent for those different patterns either to get attention or just to be held yeah so there's like lots of mental education that has been studied on that yeah, bmhc outdoors donated a dollar to us.
Speaker 1:We appreciate you too, brother. Thank. Thank you very much. All right, let's keep going. Right now I'm not seeing any reason to fire, but that could change in the drop of a hat.
Speaker 9:Drop it now. You're going to get shot. You're going to get shot.
Speaker 1:Yep Right hand, right hand, I saw that Yep.
Speaker 6:I was waiting for that arm to move, that elbow to move.
Speaker 1:Unfortunate, but if he's got a gun on him again, I'm not taking that chance. We heard him call out a gun. They didn't fire and I don't think that was a hesitation.
Speaker 6:He made a decision not to fire at that moment. He called out a gun. He was giving him a chance. That was a head hesitation.
Speaker 1:He made a decision not to fire at that moment yeah, yeah, he called out a gun. He was giving him a chance like yep, so I'm gonna go back. Um. So, lots of talking, lots of commands going on get on the ground. He listened, he got on the ground, but most people are right-handed. He sees the gun. We don't, we don't I. I can't see shit from where we're at. Let me see if this gets any better quality.
Speaker 6:So, um, uh, hey, linkedin user, you've been watching all night. I know you're on banning's list. Make sure to follow and subscribe here and uh we. That way we can get your name in the future and have a more direct conversation.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me uh, fuck, honestly I can't tell. Is that the gun, or is that the decal on his fucking shirt?
Speaker 6:when it went back just a little bit and he had his elbow in front of him, his shirt moved, so he was down on the ground.
Speaker 9:Get on the ground right now, you're going to get shot.
Speaker 6:Oh, like he's pulling it up. Yeah, like he pulled his shirt up to go forward.
Speaker 9:You're going to get shot Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the turning the back. That's bad. That shows me that you're reaching for something Right as he turns.
Speaker 6:His shirt moves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want you guys to watch him how he turns his back to the officers as he's digging in. Like that's bad Right here, like that is. I can tell you right now I would have been on fucking high alert right now yeah brian, you got anything to add on that?
Speaker 7:yeah, I mean we. I saw one recently. Um, what do you guys think about being very cautious with your commands, right? How many times have you seen a cop get on the ground? Show me your hands, drop the weapon, right? That's three different fucking things at one time and then what? And the? The video I I saw was a, a female with a weapon at a, I think a mcdonald's, and the officer is saying show me your hands, drop the. Show me your hands, drop the gun. Show me your hands, drop the gun.
Speaker 1:Well, how do you do both?
Speaker 7:She, she, she shows her hands but still has the gun bang, right, yeah, so you got to understand. You're at a heightened, you know, sensitivity state. Think about what these people are going through, right, and they're literally this guy's he's nuts right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He wouldn't be in this situation if he wasn't so it's important to take that into consideration, because you got to watch your commands, I mean yes, there's another one where there's a kid at the end of a car, like at the hood of a car, and they're telling, like you hear the officer like, show me hands, or whatever, and then you hear another officer get on the ground. Well, the kid puts his hands down to get on the ground and the other officer lights them up and, um, I I plan to do a reaction video to that um, uh, bmhc outdoors. Thank you again, sir, appreciate the super chat, but um, the it was again conflicting commands, and this is why we preach on here all the time. One person gives commands, everybody else shut the fuck up. And if you're the guy that thinks that they've got control, tell everybody else shut up, I've got it shut up, tell them.
Speaker 1:So yeah, you gotta, you gotta take control. You're gonna get shot right there. This is what I don't like. They've told you to get down and you turn your back reach and now you're starting to get back up. This is bad. This is where I would have started shooting, and I understand it. And they already know that there's a gun there.
Speaker 9:You're going to get shot.
Speaker 6:Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think they had to wait as long as they did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they waited longer. I give them credit and of course we've got the luxury. We're fucking going slow-mo.
Speaker 6:You're after my frame.
Speaker 1:You know, this is completely different guys. This person, these officers in that live situation, I think that they restrained as long as they could.
Speaker 6:Well, and we also don't know when he made that decision, he was going to pull the trigger, you know, like it could have been earlier, in the response of him actually getting the process done. Yep, that takes time to use.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's cover, cover cover now everybody's trying to process this is the thing everybody's trying to process what the fuck just happened.
Speaker 9:Nobody wants this shit to happen get back here, get back here, get back here everybody. Good, I love the mid dots threeots.
Speaker 1:He is down. We're working on giving commands. Somebody call the cop. Yeah, they're not rushing it. Officers have been shot multiple times I shouldn't say shot multiple times, but shot in multiple incidences by getting up to the scene too close too fast after shots were fired. So Super Chat Craig Holcomb said I can't wait to see what conclusion you came to On this one. What are we talking about? What conclusion? Front of 1905 Main Street. Yeah, I'm going for it.
Speaker 9:Hey, glove up, get a team ready. We gotta move in here.
Speaker 1:Okay, good communication. I love that, and I think you should share the turkey video. I know what he's talking about. I don't have that one queued up, though. What's a?
Speaker 6:good question here yeah aubrey on who's calling the commands on a call there is no protocol.
Speaker 1:You just kind of feel it, um, and and that when it takes, if you do have multiple people trying to talk, normally it comes down to who's the sheet officer. Ryan, did they call it the sheet officer where you were?
Speaker 7:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So the person who's like a call comes out, let's say you know, I got a drunk guy at the bar, uh, that's refusing to leave. Somebody's going to get on the radio or on the computer and say I'll take that call. That person is the sheet officer. They're the one that owns the call. They're the one that makes all the decisions that are to happen on that call. So in this one, whoever the sheet officer is the one that took the call, they technically should be the one calling out commands. However, shit happens, this guy is the one that took the call. They technically should be the one calling out commands. However, shit happens, this guy's the one that ends up firing or got close or whatever it is. It can switch even though that other person over there is a sheet officer. This dude's the one to pull the trigger. I would be like all right, call it because guess what, motherfucker, now it's your sheet, it's not mine, so let's keep going okay you got gloves guns by his head, uh so they can see this gun not really talking to us right now yeah, you shot him, you're
Speaker 9:gonna crawl to us, if you can, all right so I like this.
Speaker 1:They're just trying to create some distance and not trying to make this guy fucking suffer. They're just trying to create distance from the gun and you can't tell them throw the gun. You don't want them to touch it again. So this makes sense. Uh, mag dump said riverside county sheriff calls that primary officer. Yeah, that's another way to say it, the primary.
Speaker 13:All right we got three ready. All right, michael, on you, we're gonna move these guys are not wasting any fucking time.
Speaker 1:I like this. They are there to go help this guy and they're being yeah, they're being methodical yep, but they're being quick and methodical and communicating. I like what they're doing. We've seen too many incidences where they're just like all right, let's wait for like ambulance to get here, we'll tell them to stage, we're going to stack up 15 wide over here and then by the time the dude's dead, like.
Speaker 7:Right. Or on the flip side. It's absolute fucking chaos yeah.
Speaker 6:Wasn't one guy just running up there and kicking the gun away?
Speaker 1:They're doing it as a group, you know. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 6:Yep there and kicking the gun away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're doing it as a group, you know. Yeah, yep, yep, they're communicating really good right now come over to me first, let's go okay, we're ready to move up.
Speaker 7:We got hands you got hands okay, I got lethal ready when you guys are all right moving good shit.
Speaker 9:Don't reach for that gun. You're gonna get to get shot again.
Speaker 1:Good commands, fucking beautiful.
Speaker 8:Grab his arms, move him away from the gun.
Speaker 6:All right Beautiful.
Speaker 1:We don't need to see any more than that. That was fucking great, great. We saw the gun there Seemed like a good shoot. Guys, who does the shoot, do the report, everybody report and all of that stuff. This is going to be obviously a major case incident. Ia is going to look at it, everybody's going to be looking at it.
Speaker 1:Shootings are very, very detailed, as they should be, and hopefully whoever is the sergeant, the supervisor over the scene, is going to be on the radio reminding every officer that's on there like, hey, let's get the crime scene set up, let's start doing this, let's start doing that. I need this person over here, me as a sergeant. I'm going to be making those notifications because the sheet officer or the officer that was involved in the shooting they got so much on their plate. Now you got to help them, got to help them out on this one. So anybody got anything else to add on that one. You know, looking at the, I don't see anything in the comments where anybody's like, no, they shouldn't have shot, nothing like that. I think everybody seems to be in alignment on this one.
Speaker 7:Yeah, and it's I hate to when it. I don't want to use the word pretty, I don't want to say when it looks pretty like that, like when it, when it looks perfect I mean that almost looked perfect.
Speaker 7:yeah, it's rare, right? I mean, just because something doesn't look perfect or people don't like the way it looks doesn doesn't mean that the shooting was bad. That's just something I want to throw out there because you know you have those like that. Just people most people can agree that that was a good shoot because of just the way it looked.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, so you know, magdump asked two cops, one donut and an officer involved shooting. Would you, as a Sergeant, go to the scene for the mop-up? I, I would it one, I think it's mandatory you got to be out there, but, um, I would be out there anyway.
Speaker 1:I'd be out there for my guys. I would immediately go to that officer shut your mouth, don't say a fucking word. Sit in that car and and just fucking take it in because you just you just shot a human being. That's emotionally traumatic, like that is. That is nothing anybody should go through. You don't need to be saying stuff that. You just don't need to be saying anything. There's, there's plenty of officers that have been in a perfectly legit shoot just spouting things off that just don't come across the right way to the public or anybody else. Um, so in that, who literally mops up the blood? Fd?
Speaker 7:they, they hose it down yeah, yes, and sometimes if it's, if it's really bad, uh, there's professional contractors, yeah yeah, um, so get them there.
Speaker 1:it's just like you as a as a person, I've told this to citizens. I've been to houses where they you know you had self-defense. I just tell them don't talk like my job as a cop it isn't always to nail you, it's to advise you of your rights. Hey, this is your house. Listen, just, I'm not going to ask you any questions right now, just go over here. Let me get you checked out, get an attorney. I can do that as a cop. I'm allowed to have. You ever done that, ryan?
Speaker 7:Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Don't say anything. I'm not the last time. The last thing I need to do is start questioning you when you are at your most vulnerable. That's not going to help the case. You know what will help the case? The facts of the case. I can get you if you truly did fuck up. I'm going to get you based on the facts of the case, not while you're at a emotionally fucked up part of your life.
Speaker 7:So I mean, and again, like I you know, we as, as cops, we want to solve the case Right, but if, if we're being realistic, I'd advise anybody to get an attorney before they speak to the police.
Speaker 1:I mean we're talking about your mouth. Yeah, I mean if I think you're a suspect, I got to read you your rights anyway, so I can't start at like as soon as I think you're a suspect, I gotta read you your rights anyway.
Speaker 7:So I can't start at like as soon as I think you're a suspect, I I gotta read you your right thing, right, and if you're trying to circumvent, if you're trying to get around uh, you know, miranda, or trying as a cop, trying to uh coax somebody into not getting an attorney, you're not doing the fucking right thing.
Speaker 1:Nope, the minute you're trying you if you even have an inkling that you're you're not doing the fucking right thing. Nope, the minute you're trying you, if you even have an inkling that you're you're getting around. Well, maybe if I just do this real quick like no, fuck you, like that's the wrong mentality. Uh, because a real case with real evidence that miranda warning ain't gonna make a difference it's not gonna change shit.
Speaker 1:Facts are the facts. They're gonna lead right to where they need to go. So, um, but that's old school, you know. Experience like rookies aren't aren't there yet. Not not all, but some aren't there yet and they don't know how to think these things through properly. And we're here to help you out. So, all right, let's go to. Uh, let's go to an. I, I'm in the mode, guys, I am telling you, with us, anytime I miss a week, the next week, I am fucking ready. So I.
Speaker 1:I was ready on friday you had to work. But I know, bro, surprise me, you guys want to do on friday. I was like bro, I gotta work, go ahead, I was gonna let you run one.
Speaker 6:Hey, I was going to, and then the wife, you know, had other job. Things you can add ryan and I'm like, let's get right yeah I'm just banning.
Speaker 7:Can you, when you talk to him, can you tell him? I just I miss his smile I know right.
Speaker 1:Hey, bro, one thing you've never had from banning is his hugs he's a big, big burly bastard. He's the perfect hugger. I believe one yeah, yep, he is a big teddy bear, like he is a huge, big teddy bear. Yeah, I just want to squeeze those cheeks I love it all right, let me uh share the screen here I know outdoors I I was definitely a slacker.
Speaker 6:Happy wife, happy life.
Speaker 1:I tried to get these boys to run one while I wasn't available, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 6:I was actually going to run them all the way and I got called on the job, so someday I will have a job that won't affect that.
Speaker 1:Let me biggie size this. Oh, I'm clicking on the wrong screen. There we go, all right, you fellas. Uh, tim said ever shoot someone, come question in our discord, come get questioned our discord. Oh shit, tim, love you buddy. All right, let's say let's go, did I? Biggie says I did? Biggie says oh shit, we're dealing with a fire. All right, I don't know how many fires y'all have dealt with. I've dealt with house fires and car fires. This is the two most intense heats I've ever felt in my life, and I can tell you right now where this officer is at. He's hurting, already Hurting. This is scary shit. Already hurting, this is scary shit. Car fires, I think, are more intense at some points than a house fire. I don't know why, um, but car fires are fucking gnarly. So, uh, let's, I'm okay. Let me say that mag dump said 20, says banning and Balch are out Enjoying the night and not Experiencing internet outage. You know what? I got $20 on that too. I think you're right. I think you're right.
Speaker 7:That's awesome. It was kind of convenient the way that internet went out.
Speaker 1:I know Right. When he showed up, what's the odds? Alright, let's keep going when you at Great. When he showed up, what's the?
Speaker 9:odds. All right, let's keep going when you at. Come to the window. Open the window, push it out, break the window. Break it.
Speaker 1:He's helping him think through it.
Speaker 9:Yeah, it sounds like a kid, I like it. Hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard. He almost got it. Come on, kid, kid, I like it.
Speaker 1:He's struggling. You can hear him coughing. God, I'm like on pins and needles.
Speaker 9:There you go kiddo Yo, tommy, come to the side of the house, Come on, come on.
Speaker 1:Catch him, God please.
Speaker 9:Come on, clear the radio.
Speaker 7:Come on, bro Come on kiddo, Look at that smoke. He's not going to be able to take much more of that.
Speaker 1:I was going to say you guys wondering why we're pushing so hard, is that smoke will take you out so fast? I've been in it. I'm sure all three of these guys have been these two guys.
Speaker 7:They take you out before the fire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, just in a car fire I've tried to rip somebody out and almost ate shit passing out just from a car fire smoke. It's gnarly Allen, is that job taking off your shirt for camera, because the shirt off with Allen makes so much sense? Then you guys are sickos. Alright, I'm glad you made me laugh because I was getting emotional from this.
Speaker 6:Come on.
Speaker 1:Come on.
Speaker 9:I got you, bro, because I was getting emotional from this. Yeah, yeah, Come on, come on, come on, come on. I got you, bro, I got you, I got you, just jump, we got you Jump. Jump. Jump. He's going to say Come on, he's passed off. You're right. You're right, just jump.
Speaker 1:We're there, you go Not a boy and don't get it twisted. We're not calling that cop a hero. That kid saved himself. Yeah, he did. You just needed a little encouragement. That was it.
Speaker 7:And I know how fast fires can go, but where was FD? I thought I heard sirens in the background, but man, a ladder would have been a great thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, cause I worried about that AC unit right there. I mean the kid would have got fucked up, he would be alive.
Speaker 6:Well, you know, and how many of those house fires have you gone to? Nobody's in there, but all the noises of the fire sound like people are in there crying. You just want to go in, but you don't know for sure. Somebody's in there, two officers.
Speaker 1:I work with just before.
Speaker 1:I got to the team they had rescued. They went into a fire themselves, officer Bell and Officer Stewart, the team they had rescued, uh, they went into a fire themselves, officer bell and officer, uh, stewart. So I'll give them shout outs. But they, they ran into a fire and they got, um, I think, our highest accommodations that we have and, uh, saved kids. So, um, amazing stuff. But to what you're saying, like you think you hear shit, and I think that's what drew them in. To what you're saying like you think you hear shit, I think that's what drew them in. They didn't know, but luckily it worked out. I'm gonna tell you, I'm the biggest bitch when it comes to fires. I hate them. I don't like being around them. Just too many bad experiences Like there's nothing when you have no gear. There's nothing worse than getting to a car that's fully engulfed and you can't even physically get close enough to try to help the people you know are inside. I've been in those shoes.
Speaker 6:It's, it's, it's horrible, horrible spot and all you can do is stand there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you're trained to do something you're trained to do something and I can tell you, even 20, 30, 40, 50 feet away, it's too intense, I can't even get close. You're trying, you want to and you just can't and have you guys ever seen these hybrid police firefighter paramedics?
Speaker 7:they're, they're all in one yeah, you guys seen that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen that that's an interesting concept yeah, I can tell you right now, I would never train to do that, no, okay. So, um, quick story. Uh, my grandfather was a firefighter. He was a captain at the time when I was a kid, but he ended up being the chief for a little bit. Um, I was I don't know 12 and the way that it was.
Speaker 1:Uh, he, if a fire went out, even if he was in his personal vehicle, he had the lights and the sirens on his personal vehicle and he would go. So he was watching me. One day he had a fire. I went with him, we go to the thing and of course the kid and me I'm like, let me go, let me go. And he finally gave in. So I go to a fire with him and it was a house fire. Now, he didn't ride in the truck, which always fucking pissed me off. I wanted to ride in the truck with him. He didn't ride in the truck, he rode in the medical van. So I rode in that and we go to the scene and he's like don't leave the van. So I'm sitting in the fucking van. It sucks and it's a house fire and I'm looking at it the best I can and the next thing I know the two back doors fly open and he yells to the front Eric, you keep your eyes front, don't you look your ass back here? I was like my grandpa doesn't swear at me.
Speaker 7:So something horrible happened.
Speaker 1:So me, I'm like fuck that. I'm looking, so you know, a little shit, a 12 year old, so it was a smell. So whatever he, the doors open up, all of a sudden the smell comes in. I look back there and it was a little girl my age or close to, just fucked up from the fire. And that was the moment. That was the moment in my life I, I, I think I had known I was always going to be a firefighter because of my grandfather, because he was like the biggest influence of my life, uh, taught me how to hunt, fish, all that stuff. But after that I couldn't do it. It just scared me straight. I was. I was like, well, I'll be a cop.
Speaker 7:How old were you?
Speaker 1:12.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 12. I can still smell it.
Speaker 7:When I think about it today, I can smell it. Oh yeah, you never lose that.
Speaker 1:In the intensity, the heat I could feel from across the street where the van was parked. We weren't even directly across, we were like cat, yeah, catty corner from it and it was just intense. As soon as I opened I had to shut the door. I remember shutting the door because the fire heat intensity was too much yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 7:Can could you imagine running into that? No like we always. Cops and firefighters have the running joke. They joke with us, we joke with them, but I gotta give it to them, man, yeah, I couldn't do that, shit, I couldn't. And firefighters have the running joke. They joke with us, we joke with them, but I gotta give it to them, man, yeah I couldn't do that shit.
Speaker 1:I couldn't. And firefighters will tell you the same thing about police work they couldn't do what we do. I think that's why we we have the you know, and there's, there's always a hybrid, the one that can do both.
Speaker 7:But yeah, I haven't seen that much. I've seen it, but it never really took off. Yeah, right, it's a concept that I don't know somebody came up with, which kind of like the the way it's presented it kind of makes sense. Right, wouldn't you want an all-in-one? It does but it but it doesn't work, it just doesn't, doesn't because you're now. You're the jack-of-all-master-of-none right, there's too much info.
Speaker 1:It's too much info there you go it's very hard, like for me. I am a plethora of knowledge when it comes to law enforcement. Now you're going to try to put all that firefighter info in my head and the medical info in my head yeah I.
Speaker 1:I just I don't have it. I don't have the capacity. It's too much. That's three professions in one and that's why I get on. People that are like cops should know all the laws. Get the fuck out of here. I'm not a lawyer, and you know what a lawyer has the luxury of doing Looking up the law and having time. I don't have that. I got to make a decision on the spot. Yep.
Speaker 1:So I'm not trying to cop explain, but it sounds like I'm cop explaining. I fully admit that, but that's not the intent. The intent is the expectations are too high. You can't now my daughter's a genius, she could know all that shit, but I don't have the brain capacity for that yeah, my, my brother's a lawyer.
Speaker 7:He was a uh a and now he's got his own practice. So we talk a lot. People are built different, right? I couldn't be a lawyer, he wouldn't be a cop, you wouldn't be a firefighter. So different strokes for different folks, right, but to mix it all in one is not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think it's possible. I think you could, but I don't think it's possible. I think you could, but I don't think you're gonna have a good product.
Speaker 7:No, you're gonna have a mediocre product in everything right, and that's why I don't think it's taken off at this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, it's just too much now in a small town. Yeah, it makes sense maybe yeah but in the cities, you know, alan, even though your fucking camera's off, bro, we can hear you eating snacks or whatever the hell you're doing alan's snacking I know son of a bitch love you guys, I don't know what you were digging around in, but I could hear it.
Speaker 6:I knew I had muted that evidently not the Discord family saw what I was eating.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, all right Actually.
Speaker 7:I didn't meet Alan in the beginning.
Speaker 1:Oh, you didn't meet Alan.
Speaker 7:No.
Speaker 1:I'm rude. Okay, so Alan Ryan Ryan, alan Alan was a he's now a reserve officer, but he was a Brown, brownfield, brownfield, brownfield, Brownfield, texas, podunk as podunk gets. So he's got a unique view and he's got a lot to attest when it comes to training, because a lot of the shit I talk about how small agencies don't get the training that our larger agencies take for granted. So that's good stuff, good, good perspective to have it's good to meet you, brother yeah, normally I'm in the background when there's a you know big group of stuff.
Speaker 6:I you know have uh do a lot of the behind the scenes stuff.
Speaker 7:So so it, alan. Are you part of the dtv uh?
Speaker 6:I'm. I'm part of the behind the scenes of that yeah. So we all do so. Yeah, it's, there's a large group of us in that, yep.
Speaker 1:Yep, for sure. And and one of the things that I want to make clear about the DTV stuff is, like you'll see, like in the pilot, you're only going to see Banning and Matt and Jared Right, it's the pilot. We just going to see banning and matt and jared right, it's the pilot. We just had to get some stuff done. We had a limited budget, but as this stuff goes on, you're going to see everybody. Everybody's going to have their roles, it's gonna. So I don't want people that that I sit with alan people to freak out. I didn't see him in the show. Alan is our wish. Timu, chris Kattan.
Speaker 7:Oh man.
Speaker 1:Oh, you kind of look like Chris Kattan. I didn't think about that.
Speaker 6:I like it. What was the one they were calling me the other day?
Speaker 1:Oh, Tim Robbins.
Speaker 6:Tim Robbins.
Speaker 1:From Shawshank Redemption yeah, oh shit. Let's finish the fire video.
Speaker 7:I just saw it. Yeah, tim Robbins, he does, doesn't he? Yeah, dude, I knew it was something 299,.
Speaker 9:Are you inside?
Speaker 1:That's a fire. You don't want to open that front door with Johnny.
Speaker 9:We got one top four trying to get out right now. Jump, jump, jump. We got you just jump, jump, jump, jump. Get you through. Brother, come on Jump, you're all right. Jump, just jump. We're right here, we're right here. Just jump, jump, jump, just do it, do it. We got him. We got him. Go, joe, you do it, you got him, you got him. Go, go, go, let's go.
Speaker 1:Get the little man up, let's go. Oh there's the ladder. Let's go. I like it.
Speaker 9:Come on, come on, you're all right, buddy, I'm in, you're all right. Breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe.
Speaker 6:I like that. You know that's one of those. I think that's a direct reflection, sorry, of when we sit here and talk about like people are saying things and continuing things on just in a shoot video, but how amped are they? And like they're telling the kid to breathe you don't think he's trying to breathe, but they're like, yeah, trying to help him. And that's the exact same thing that happens in a shoot situation where you have all this training, but you're you, you get stuck in this process of you know, all these thoughts are coming out at once and it's reality kicks in yeah we're all susceptible to saying dumb shit in the moment because you don't think that kid was trying to breathe just right now, of course he's trying to breathe, but fuck, what else do you say, right, what?
Speaker 1:else do you? Say like you're just trying to help in any way you can.
Speaker 7:I mean what a moment You're staring at a kid who's about to die. Yep, I mean, it's very hard to keep it together. Yeah, you know, I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kid cases are the hardest.
Speaker 7:And that's where you know we talk about. I hate the term humanizing the badge. I don't like that.
Speaker 6:Right, we certainly don't need tiktok.
Speaker 1:Uh, cops, dance around, tiktok to do that right, but you see something like this have you guys seen my latest dancing video that I did? Oh no you dance. I don't dance. Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 11:I like your face, though he went from like you twerk eric oh, you got the twerk.
Speaker 7:You're gonna bring up the horse dance like oh, that'll do shit, cops don't dance. Well, old school cops don't dance. No, now these younger guys are on tiktok right I, I hate it, bro, I hate it I do too, the only dance that I've ever seen where I go.
Speaker 1:Okay, I like that. It was uh tillman, I think his last name is oh the the. Uh, he's a black. Um, uh, what I call school resource officer, and he danced with the school kids.
Speaker 7:Yeah, and they all did it together, like I.
Speaker 1:I like that. That means you took your school resource officer stuff seriously. You got involved with the kids enough to where they supported you to come dance with them, like that was awesome. I liked that. But the making shorts and reels, I eric only tricks when there's a spider. Yeah, you damn right, I try to get them like that. But yeah, tillman was the only dude where I was like all right cool because he didn't do that to get on and shake his ass.
Speaker 7:He was but you know what I'm talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about I love it.
Speaker 1:I send the videos to iso because he knows I can't say shit. Oh, he fucking hates, he hammers him oh god, he'll spend a whole episode on it. Yep, yep, I'll send him to iso. But hey, bro, I don't know if you're aware of this one, he goes. Nope, I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 7:Thank you, yeah well, I don't think back to when we were kids, right and you, you saw a policeman sharp right, crisp could cut shit with his uniform razor blade, right, yeah. And to, to fast forward to today, it's yeah, fuck man, what happened?
Speaker 1:right and I was a shit. I was not a good kid. I want to think that I wasn't either. I did some dumb shit growing up around the flint area. Oh my god, yeah I love my.
Speaker 7:I love my dad, and he was a cop right so was mine, and yeah, same thing just finest. I mean I could show you pictures of my dad in his uniform. It could just cut glass. It was that sharp and I was like that's what I want to be. You know, high school I didn't admit it because everybody hated cops, right all my friends hated me but I was like that's, that's what I'm gonna be.
Speaker 7:And so to see that, yeah, go from that to to idiots dancing around on tiktok, I just so. I agree with iso on that, you know, yeah I agree too.
Speaker 1:It's a discussion. As soon as the defense finds that, how do you go to court? You know, there's way worse too. There's way worse shit. Female cops getting on there acting dumb, saying you know lip syncing over explicit explicit language right, yeah, just right all sorts of stupid shit that I see. I'm just like what do you?
Speaker 7:think about agencies allowing it, because a lot of them do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and they'll take their hot females and they'll put them out there and exploit them to recruit and all that shit. And I'm just like what in the fuck are you thinking? I don't get it just like.
Speaker 6:What in the fuck are you thinking? I don't get it. Could you imagine, like just backing up to 2009, where recruiting teams from different agencies? Could you imagine what those groups would think about the recruiting agencies of today, like they're rolling over, like it was so, like I, it was just different. And that's only 16, 17 years ago. Yeah.
Speaker 7:Yeah, absolutely. I remember, uh, when I went in for my initial interview for, uh, the Baltimore police department and uh a guy came in, he was, he was right after me and uh the recruiter came out and he said uh, I said nine o'clock, not 901, take a hike. The kid was like are you serious? You get out like it was that serious then now you can dance around and make a fool of yourself.
Speaker 6:It's uh, it's insane man I have a friend that didn't get his interview in in south texas because he there was a picture on his friend's instagram of him holding a beer.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah that's a dumb reason to not be in the process.
Speaker 6:I agree, but I was like it is to alan's point, that's how serious it used to be.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I drank underage for sure yeah guilty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bm bmhc outdoors donated another dollar to the show. Thank you so much. Uh, you guys have been going nuts tonight without harrison here, so we really appreciate that harrison's usually our driving horse for uh supporting the show. So thank you very much. Um, it does. It does help guys. I know it doesn't seem like we do a whole lot, but if you follow our discord and see some of the stuff we do in behind the scenes, there's a whole lot that goes into it. I spent and this isn't a humble brag, but I spent from 4 pm till midnight yesterday trying to get this new piece of gear. I'm staring at it right now because I gotta send it back.
Speaker 7:I'm so pissed it didn't work out the way I wanted it to bro, I don't know how you do it as a full-time cop, a supervisor and doing, doing this, how do you? You don't sleep, do you?
Speaker 6:I don't on like then the videos he makes it's phenomenal to watch him do it. I don't know how he pulls it off in the amount of time you do it. It's impressive, it really is.
Speaker 7:I appreciate it With family kids. We're a lot alike. We're the same age, right? I've got two kids. I'm married, I work a full-time job, I'm a cop. How do you do it, bro? How?
Speaker 1:And I'll tell people. I'll kind of give you a little behind the scenes. When I wake up, the first thing I'm doing is editing a reel or a short. It's a smoke wagon, right. I'm editing a reel or a short. So when I film, I'll do. This is a video actually I'm about to release here soon. Um, I filmed a behind the scenes and, uh, I film 30 to 40 of those videos, the shorts that I do, uh, in a day. So I like on a Saturday, I'm on my day off, the kids are with their friends or whatever, and I'll come in here for a few hours and I will knock out every single short. I've got a month's worth of material and then every morning I edit one. So it takes me 15 minutes maybe 20, to edit it. Once that's done, then I post it at noon every day for all of our platforms.
Speaker 7:That makes sense, because you had mentioned you were like I gave a shout out to Montero, so I'm checking, I'm checking, checking the videos, I'm checking. I couldn't see it, but then it eventually came out, so it makes sense, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it took a little bit, but Yep, yep, that's exactly what happened was I had filmed all these things. I remember I had told in one of them I was giving you a shout out, and then, just a matter of when I got to it to edit.
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah, that's all I did. You said I think it's Ryan Monteiro. It's actually Monteiro. Like remember the Mitsubishi Monteiro? Yes, the SUV, that's how it's pronounced. Okay, yeah, I wasn't sure how to say it. Most people call me Monty, but it's crazy work what you do, man. It really is. I couldn't imagine. I don't have time to do anything and you're out here doing this.
Speaker 1:It's a passion, for sure.
Speaker 7:It's an obsession passion what started it. It's an obsession. Passion what started it.
Speaker 1:So when I was getting my master's degree, I had an incident where we were at at the time this was before I was going for my degree my degree required a thesis. So when I was coming up for the thesis, I needed something and I wasn't sure what it was going to be and I came up with this based on my experience. When I was a patrolman, I had an NPO and I don't know if you guys had these where you're at, but a neighborhood patrol officer. They were the liaison between the community and the beat officer. So my beat officer, um, or, I'm sorry, my NPO was Guadarrama Give him a shout out Sergio and me.
Speaker 1:We had a beat and me, being a tech nerd, I was like, hey, dude, there's this thing coming out on Facebook called groups. I was like we should create a group for our beat and then we can share information and like, update each other and like that'd be cool. And so he's like, hell, yeah, let's fucking go, because he was a go-getter, like he was a very different type of npo. So when the groups came out, he created the group, sent it out in a mass email to all of our people in our beat that were, you know a part of our email groups and that's what we did. So, you know, a few months go out and we're. This was before next door app and before ring and all this shit yeah, and uh, we're killing it like it's working, like everybody loves it.
Speaker 1:we're sharing information. Well, these kids were going around pulling handles one night on doors, uh, and to people that don't know what that means. They were trying to break into vehicles, and so somebody shared pictures of them from their video camera on the group page and sent it to Gwad. So Gwad posted it out and said, hey, be on the lookout for these two guys. They could have been 16. They could have been 24. They were in that range, we don't know. And so Eric wanted to start a beat off group on Facebook. It all makes sense now, you dirty son of a bitch.
Speaker 7:The comments are dirty, man.
Speaker 1:That's my fault. I got them If you want dirtier comments?
Speaker 6:please join us. Yeah, If you want really dirty comments.
Speaker 1:Go to our Discord page and see what Tim's saying.
Speaker 7:Sorry, tim, when I tell you I don't do social media. I don even know what discord is man, oh bro you got it, so just go to the link.
Speaker 6:It's just signing, it's just like signing up to facebook, and so we have these chats and like sometimes the guy will all go on to the lobby afterwards.
Speaker 1:But go ahead, eric, finish your story, but um yeah, so um, what the fuck was I talking about?
Speaker 7:you were talking. You were talking about how, how two cops, oh yeah so, um.
Speaker 1:So we created the group page and these kids, um were pulling handles and somebody complained. There was an attorney that lived in that beat and said you're showing minors. And sent it to the chief and the chief's, like no more. Social media pulled the trigger on that right away. Well, the community got pissed and they threw a town hall emergency town hall meeting the very next day, called the media, called the chief, said you better show up to this. So chief shows up. Media is already there.
Speaker 1:All these people created like you know, like when somebody is killed, especially in the hood, and they got the you know rip with the like. They had that for Gwad. It was hilarious, we call them Gwad Guadarama. They had those shirts like I support Guadarama. And this lady stood up and she was like 74, 84, somewhere in there and she's like I'm 74 years old. If I'm on social media, he needs to be on social media. And that really stuck with me. I don't know why that particular statement stuck with me and that is where the idea started to come from. Is that social media is a underutilized tool both in in law enforcement, needed to use it now. At the time, my mindset was like we need to use it to catch bad guys, but I wasn't sure how, but it was like 2000 2015, 16, somewhere in there, and um, maybe even a little earlier, maybe 2013, 2014.
Speaker 1:So, um, because I graduated in 17. So, anyway, as I'm going from a master's degree and you have to come up with a thesis idea, and I was like, all right, that's what I'll use. Social media is an underutilized tool, um, that police need to be using. So went through all my things and proved my point I think, defended and all that stuff. So I was like all right, cool. And then I want to go for my doctorate. Eventually, I'm waiting for my girls to be out of school. I got a 16-year-old and a 13-year-old, so once they're done with school and they're moved out, I'll go for my doctorate.
Speaker 1:And if I'm going to do that, I needed to start researching or proving my point. How do I do that? Well, I came up with a podcast idea. Listening to Rogan and he's always trying to get his comedian buddies to start their own podcast I was like you know what? He's got a point. They have a niche. I have a niche. There's no police doing what I'm doing, at least not that I can see. The only person that I really ever saw out there was like Mike the cop, um donut operator and nobody was really educating. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to share perspective and educate.
Speaker 7:Was? Was Thornton a? I don't think he was.
Speaker 1:He probably was. I just didn't know. I couldn't tell you. Uh, I didn't know. I didn't know, matt, until recent. So, um, it's possible. And then, uh, so I had a really clear mission. I was like I want to do it different. I want to educate the best that I can and I want it to be balanced. I don't want it to be an echo chamber. I don't hang out with cops. None of my friends that I hang out with, maybe with a few exceptions, are cops, and the reason we hang out is because we don't talk about cop shit.
Speaker 7:Yeah, you know what I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1:This is what I do. It's not who I am, and Outdoors is supporting us with another super chat. Thank you, brother. Man, you're killing it tonight. I appreciate you, but this is a job I do. It's not who I am, and in that even though this is a big part of my life, but that's kind of what I wanted to do with the podcast is, how can I educate, share perspective at the same time without sounding like I'm just out there blowing cops? And so that's when I came up with kind of this two-part concept. I wanted to have these live chats and do what we're doing now, but I also wanted to have sit-downs, because I don't just have sit-downs with cops.
Speaker 1:I've had guys that have been wrongly convicted. I've talked to prior felons. I've talked to all these different sides. It's just really hard to get people on that side of the house that have been committed you know committed felonies and stuff like that to come on and talk. A lot of them just they don't trust me because I'm a cop. So that's where I lean on the community and a lot of the people like Long Island audit. I'd never would have had Long Island audit on the show if it wasn't for the community. I listened to what they have to say and I bring them on and I make them a part of what we're doing, rather than trying to treat them as if they are some separate entity that you need to listen to what I say, because I'm a cop. That's not how this works. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 7:Sean Paul was the sole reason why I decided auditing is a good thing if you do it the right way.
Speaker 1:If you do it the right way yeah.
Speaker 7:Right, I like James Gray.
Speaker 1:He's another good one. There's some really good people. There's a guy that comes on here that actually audited me when I was on duty. Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and Johnny High Roller, and he's on here commenting all the time, you know, helping us, actually helping push our cause. So it's really cool to see that you know, uh, you pass the test, so to speak. Um, and that is not the first time I've been audited. I've been audited probably seven times. I'm in a big city, so it happens a lot where we're at. You know how it goes in Baltimore.
Speaker 7:That wasn't a thing when I was there.
Speaker 1:Not a big thing yeah.
Speaker 7:People did not have the balls.
Speaker 1:The balls.
Speaker 7:I don't want to use that.
Speaker 1:I know how Baltimore policing is, so I understand.
Speaker 7:And again pre body camera, nobody stuck a cell phone in our face and told us how it was going to be East coast policing is different.
Speaker 1:East coast is a different style policing. I just I tried to tell people I'm like it is a the culture is a rude culture. It's not the cops, I'm not saying the cop I culture. It's not the cops, I'm not saying the cops, it's just the culture in general. Go to New York. If you want an example. Go to New Jersey. Go tell somebody good morning.
Speaker 7:They're going to tell you go fuck yourself, even open the door for somebody.
Speaker 1:I can open my own fucking door. Get the fuck out of here. Don't disrespect me. No, I get it Growing up in Michigan. They call uswest and that always bothered me because it's not midwest no we're east of the mississippi, so calling us a midwest place it doesn't fit. We're kind of a mix between midwest and east coast. Mentality really is so, um, I got a little bit of everything growing up there yeah, yeah, where you police is.
Speaker 7:It's not mayberry man, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly um mag dump said I'm an auditor and everyone hates me. John lawrence iris. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh shit, all right, let's get to another video. I'm in the mood, guys. Let's fucking roll. We are killing it tonight. The uh eh, taylor's feeling wonderful.
Speaker 7:Um, let's share the screen here, can anyone check if banning's still alive, at least, or?
Speaker 1:I did. I'm gonna say already haven't got a text, but uh, he's in our group.
Speaker 6:That one between me and you. I sent him that okay. And he said he wishes that was true, that they were out having a good time.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to biggie size this screen for everybody. There we go 11 minutes. I can tell you, unless this is a high action packed video, we're not watching all 11 minutes of this.
Speaker 7:Bro, do you pick these videos or you just do it randomly?
Speaker 1:No, I go to police activity. I hit latest and then I click each video, Just bop bop, bop, bop, bop.
Speaker 7:So this is a fresh view. Yeah, all of them are.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we purposely don't read anything about them.
Speaker 1:Like I know right now I'm using my peripheral. I know right here gives a description. I'm not reading that. I don't know what the fuck this says. I've gotten so good at doing this. I don't read anything, I don't talk about it, I don't look at it. I don't do any of that because I want I want a genuine reaction and you can tell if I was faking it you'd be like that motherfucker saw this, like you can tell. But no, I don't, I don't read it. So let's go. My bourbon collection never gets collect. What in the fuck? Okay, so somebody just threw a liquid of some sort. My bourbon collection doesn't get large because I drink my bourbon. Okay, so they threw something on that house. What the fuck does that? Acid Paint?
Speaker 7:I don't want to say what that looks like.
Speaker 1:It's a lot, whatever it is. What's the location of your emergency?
Speaker 10:Good morning. Good morning, let me put this call in Good morning um. My address is they're very calm, my husband is mentally ill and he's damaged my neighbor's property instead of the fire.
Speaker 14:I need someone to come out and take him in, if you would, Okay and it's I need someone to come out and take him in, if you would, okay. And it's Uh-huh Is the property still burning or no?
Speaker 10:No, it was just a small fire, but he entered their property and vandalized it. Okay, what is he diagnosed with? He won't go to the doctor, but he's schizophrenic.
Speaker 14:Okay. Is he black or Hispanic? He's black. What is he wearing? He?
Speaker 10:has on some brown shorts and a t-shirt. I can't remember the color. Where is he currently? He's in my house, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Um, he has on some brown shorts and a t-shirt. I can't remember the color. Where is he currently? He's in my house. I'm over to the neighbor. He's a All right. How old is he? He's 30. Is he currently being aggressive or anything like that?
Speaker 1:No, I want to give a shout out to this call taker. She's doing excellent. This is a good call taker. I've heard some bad ones. This one's doing very well Very even keel, asking the right questions, doing great.
Speaker 14:Not currently Any drinking, drugs or weapons involved no, not currently Any drinking, drugs or weapons involved. No, okay. What is your last name? Telephone number. Telephone number.
Speaker 1:Alrighty, I'm gonna go ahead and get someone out there to you, okay alright, thank you, you're welcome okay, given that I just saw somebody said in the centurion tactical said schizo, send FD and social workers. You can't, because you have an offense. He's inside somebody's house that doesn't belong in there.
Speaker 6:And there's like danger you can't really.
Speaker 1:FD and the social workers won't go. They will literally stage until the police department gets there and tells them it's okay to go in.
Speaker 7:All right Again with this myth about de-escalation and people having the credentials to be able to talk somebody out of something, as opposed to having the police go there and deal with it. It's a myth. Not that they don't have their place in this A social worker can be valuable but it there's no weapons, the weapon is fire.
Speaker 6:You know, a social worker can be valuable, but it yeah. There's no weapons there, the weapon is fire.
Speaker 1:So yes, there are weapons on this call. That's a good point. Yep, Yep. So all right, let me keep going. Tim's looking majestic in his camera.
Speaker 6:Hey, y'all Did y'all call what's going on?
Speaker 1:Oh no you didn't.
Speaker 11:How you doing, how you doing. Good, how are y'all? I'm Officer.
Speaker 10:Roussel. This is Joshua. He's a mental health counselor. He rides with us. What's up? Oh, that is not a common thing, good. How are you all.
Speaker 8:I'm Officer Roussel. This is Joshua. He's a mental health counselor. He rides with us.
Speaker 1:Oh, that is not a common thing. So we have a mental health expert here with us and that's Florida, and that is Florida. Who asked that question earlier? Was that Centurion? Yeah, yeah, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 7:Well, yeah. However, that cop is with that mental health council right, yeah, yeah, security, yeah yeah, and now you have.
Speaker 1:This is another factor. Consider is now that officer has to protect somebody? Yeah, that's, that's a good point so something to, just something to consider. You can't put that person in an endangered place.
Speaker 10:This is their house. My son has damaged their house. He's meant for the evil.
Speaker 5:He kind of burnt it and then he tried to put the fire out with paint and he, I guess he realized he was wrong. That was the reason.
Speaker 10:He also put some paint on it On the house next door and he had a little video, so he was wrong. That was the reason you also produced a painting On your own. It's good story, yeah and uh.
Speaker 6:Do you have it on? Video. So he was shot what? Eight years ago?
Speaker 1:Yeah he was shot In the face so. What a weird that made me. The way he posed that was he was shot in the face, like, like recently.
Speaker 5:Just like recent, just now, bro, like do I gotta go save him? And he's like eight years ago, like your timing sucks. It's like schizo symptoms, but you know he's 28, can't be diagnosed the fuck.
Speaker 1:You can't be diagnosed at 28. You can be diagnosed at any age before he was shot. I would say so, but where was he shot?
Speaker 2:okay, so maybe has a traumatic brain injury but he has, like these moments wages.
Speaker 5:You tell him he had moments where he feels like somebody's plotting against him. And then they told him that the person was in the house, so that's why he did what he did, and he always had these moments where he just had, like he's paranoid. Sure Like this we call outbursts Can be violent, cannot defend. Did the fire happen this morning? Yeah, it did and did was something going?
Speaker 13:on? Does he know? No, it started at one o'clock in the morning. It started at one o'clock in the morning, God damn.
Speaker 11:He did it at 1.15 this morning. It's on camera. I was in this, we was in this-.
Speaker 9:Y'all were in there sleeping when he did this.
Speaker 10:Yeah, okay, I tried to make an action before and he 2701, charlie.
Speaker 6:2701 Charlie Banning talking and Start me.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I know Probably one or two more units. Reference of 27 that tried to set the neighbor's house on fire, please no, no, no one, charlie.
Speaker 14:10, 4, 10, 23, yeah, oh wait, part a order. Have you heard of that?
Speaker 8:before okay, some paperwork that you can fill out, take to the court system and they like almost always get signed. I haven't had one, the judge signs it and comes back to us or patrol and we serve it to him and take him to get him an assessment. Is that different than the Baker? It's just a different process to a Baker.
Speaker 9:You're a piece of it.
Speaker 14:You're a piece of it. So where's he at now? Where's his?
Speaker 2:I. Where's he at now? Where's his? I guess mindset at now Is he still having an episode.
Speaker 5:He was at 751, but now that he saw the police pull up, he's at 751.
Speaker 10:He realized he not to excuse him. He told me once I was talking to my son. I said Brian did what he heard that and he stopped and said I had a fight with this girl, which is a hallucination and I said did you hurt her? Nobody got hurt. And I said what'd you do? He didn't tell me about the fight. They told me about the fight, but for him to cross over here, one property and set fire it could be different.
Speaker 2:So, Are there any weapons in the house or does he have?
Speaker 14:access to any weapons. No guns or anything like that. Okay, and now let me ask you what do you guys want to do?
Speaker 2:I just wanted to get some help, like my kids, like I was telling.
Speaker 1:I love the fact that she knows that, that they've been neighbors for 16 years. That tells me there's a good community there.
Speaker 7:Yeah, it seems like they care about this dude deeply, I mean yeah, you can hear the concern in their voice.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, I like I, I really I do. I appreciate everything that they're saying in the facts that they're putting out there, because they know like I. I've got two neighbors across the street that I met when I first moved in. Because I'm that type of guy, I go knock on the door hey, I'm new neighbor, dah dah dah. So I did that, but they really haven't had anything to do with me. Now my neighbors are directly next to me, kathy and Jason. I know both of those people, but it really makes me happy to see that they have this level of concern. They know this person, they know all about him. Uh, so it it does make things better.
Speaker 10:They seem to trust it. But this could have been dead yeah. Those are my kids' rooms. Absolutely.
Speaker 2:So I'm more hurt than mad because my kids are innocent in the whole dead. Yeah, yeah, those are my kids' rooms, absolutely. So I'm more hurt than mad Because my kids are innocent in the whole situation. Yeah, you know, if it was a vehicle I wouldn't care. Tell them I'm a cause. But you know, like my kids, right, girl, yeah, and now he just threw paint on that house, correct? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8:Do you know whose house?
Speaker 1:that that is okay. Is she home right now? She left and I see some black marks on your house. Did he try to do that to your house this? Morning to the grill. I said not the grill we suck at growing oh, I got it on there, okay. All right.
Speaker 8:Well, give me just a second, okay.
Speaker 13:You Come here, you go get dog bit oh Shit, and he drove a long way. Get on the ground, back up.
Speaker 9:Back up.
Speaker 13:Drop the knife. Drop the knife. K99, shots fired Buckman at 25th, buckman at 25th.
Speaker 1:I don't know that I like thatth. I don't know that I like that.
Speaker 6:No, don't know that I like that I'm hoping there's more in that story, yeah there was nobody around.
Speaker 1:He's running away and he's got a knife. Like who is he threatened? He didn't listen to you. I get that, but where's the danger yet?
Speaker 7:and think about all the information they received in a very calm manner right you know you roll up to a scene, it's chaos. You're not really tracking what people are saying, like this was relayed. I mean it was. It was perfect. I yeah I'll take that into consideration. When you are dealing with a guy like this, I don't like it either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not a fan of this. So far, let's keep going, just see where it goes. Drop the knife. Drop the knife. That's Agnell breathing. I'm out with the suspect. He's still on the ground. Yeah, that breathing was Agnell breathing. I'm out with the suspect. He's still on the ground. That breathing was Agnell. That's where I switched from deadly cover to moving in, securing and trying to get this guy help.
Speaker 13:Signal 18, go ahead and start rescue. 10-68. Knife is still in his hand. 25th in Buckman I am 10-77.
Speaker 1:Officer's getting out pertinent information. I I think he did well there drop the knife. Drop the knife I mean, I'm just looking at the scene. If he was running into a crowded park, something, maybe, but there's nothing around. What are we shooting for? We gave all of three seconds with a crazy guy, a dude we know is crazy and I will say this, my experience with crazy people your energy has a lot to do with how they react absolutely if you go up and you're like you know, you know frank, like okay, come here, dude.
Speaker 1:If you, how your energy comes across makes a huge difference with crazy people. That's just my experience. Have you had the same Ryan?
Speaker 7:100%. Yeah, I mean, I'll be the first one to tell you I'm not a people person. When I'm alone in my civilian life, I like to be left alone. I'm not a people person, but I feel like I've developed a skill over the years to be able to, like we talked about earlier, catch more flies with honey, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 7:I mean you really gotta, you gotta try to reach people. You know the uniform is intimidating enough. Right, we have a stigma put on us as cops. I mean that's why every scene I go to, no matter what, unless the guy's like covered in blood, I always shake somebody's hand even human contact, even if they aren't?
Speaker 7:they look like a little bit of an unsavory person. I always shake their hand right, there's hand sanitizer for that, um but I can't tell you how many times that's saved my ass and de-escalated a situation. A handshake to another man who's going through a bad day, I mean, that could mean the difference between life and death, in my opinion.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it really, it really can yep yep, absolutely the homeless dude that just peed on himself to keep others away and you don't treat him like he just peed on himself, like it just changes the whole interaction.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, I agree.
Speaker 7:I like to put a hand on somebody's shoulder and reassure them hey man, I'm here for you. You know it has a. A human contact has a calming effect. How many times have you seen cops when someone goes to shake their hand. No, I'm good man, I'm good. Now you've just escalated this situation. You know you're making them feel less than human. Yep Right, I'm sure you guys have seen that. Don touch me.
Speaker 1:Back up, back up, don't touch me you know, it doesn't I don't shake hands, I don't shake oh my god, officers tell me like I've I'm not gonna call any of them my name, but I've told them this um, we've been on scene and you know somebody, somebody come up and be like I appreciate you guys' service, and you know doing one of those and you can tell they're either they're doing it disingenuously, like they're doing it to come up and be a dickhead, or whatever, or maybe they're not all there and they're doing it, or whatever. It is Like I will shake everybody's hand. I have hand sanitizer with me. It's not a big deal, I'm going to use hand sanitizer afterwards or whatever. But I've got officers that I've seen literally say I don't shake hands, or they'll do this and like like you know and the fist.
Speaker 7:The fist bump is just as bad when someone goes to shake your hand and you go and you do that.
Speaker 11:It's just as bad in my opinion and what do you think?
Speaker 1:about the mental effect that has on somebody. They go to shake your hand and you go and you do that. It's just as bad, in my opinion. And what do you think?
Speaker 7:think about the mental effect that has on somebody they go to shake your hand, and you won't shake their hand because what? What does that tell them? You don't think I'm a, I'm a human being.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, and the grappler side of me is like thank you, you're giving me an advantage.
Speaker 1:Now I can feel right, here we go yeah, I'm like all right, cool, I now shaking hands is a good thing for me because I can feel your intentions. Like I tell people I've done grappling, so long that I can keep my eyes shut and know everything you're doing, like if we're, if we're, wrapped up, you know, like I, I can tell everything you're doing. I can. I can roll, roll, uh, with my eyes shut and and be fairly successful, unless you just happen to be at the same level as me or higher. But, uh, right, for for the 99 in the streets that aren't like I don't need, I don't even need eyesight to roll with you. Um, as long as there's some sort of point of contact, like I can tell everything you're doing right, and that is why I push grappling so much, like I'm not saying you have to do jiu-jitsu, guys wrestling, greco-roman wrestling, judo, all these different things they work.
Speaker 1:I'm just partial to bjj. That's what I I like, but um yeah but but point being, shake the fucking hand.
Speaker 7:Yeah, think about uh, we, we go to people and oftentimes it's the worst day of their life. Right, you deal with a lot of guys. They're, they've been emasculated, something's happened to them right uh, they don't feel like a man anymore. Yeah, they're. They're going through some things, they're, they're out of a job, everything that makes a man feel like a man. They're. They've lost that. Shaking that hand. It kind of brings that back for a second, in my opinion, you know.
Speaker 1:Steve Wallace said and Steve, by the way, still to this day, I don't think he's ever missed a live that we've done One of our OGs. But he said I've had not shaking hands explained to me as a don't want it to be perceived as a hand to hand transaction. That's the stupidest fucking excuse I've ever heard. Um, that hand to hand of what am I? A cop, dealing dope? I don't know.
Speaker 7:I don't agree with that. Baltimore, you might Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7:No, but all jokes aside, it's just just a. It's a good thing to do and you know, quit acting like you, don't get into nastier situations. I mean, I'm sure you've been spat on. I've been spat in the face with blood.
Speaker 1:You know like it has not happened to me. Um, I've had some people wind up for spit and and I've told people this before you have a very small window of opportunity to effectively stop somebody from spitting at you. Most of the time I would say 95% of the time you miss it Again. That's the videos we see. Somebody gets spit on and then they react it's too late, it's already happened. You're not preventing it, but there are opportunities to prevent it and luckily for me, I had a prostitute that was Queen Hawk Tua. She let me know it was coming. She's like one of these and I just fucking planted my hand with my glove right over her face and I grabbed it and I put her to the ground. But I'm letting people know like there's an opportunity. That's the time After you've been spit on. It's too late, it's already there. After that it's retaliation.
Speaker 7:These things can be prevented. I'm racking my brain right now. I can't think of a single time. And when you roll up to a scene even people that call the police they're very weary. When you roll up, You're in uniform, You're in a police car. You're kind of scary, especially the way we dress nowadays. You stick that hand out to shake somebody's hand. You're already winning. Yeah, you might not win in the end.
Speaker 3:I I don't know if you give me your first name yeah, hey, I'm ryan yeah, and you you shake their hand.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, bro, it works it works and I don't want to touch him.
Speaker 7:I don't know where he's been bro, unless he's covered in blood. What do you? You think you're gonna get a, a death disease, by shaking a man's hand like right.
Speaker 6:Get over yourself, you know yeah, and it also tells you where the conversation is gonna go, because if they won't shake your hand, it already tells you. It gives you a perception of how you need to continue the conversation.
Speaker 1:Yep, and I always shake with my left hand, I'm right dominant, so I always shake with my left hand and people. It throws people off. It gets them out of whatever mindset that they're at yeah for the most part. So it it's psyops in a way yeah, yeah I I'm not, I don't want to.
Speaker 1:Here's the part I'm trying to avoid is it's not that I'm being disingenuine. I am genuinely giving you my hand to shake it because I I really man to man, I want her man, whatever I want. I do want the human connection, Yep, but I do have a hidden agenda behind all of it and I want to out there.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to get the tone of what this is going to be yeah, yeah like like alan was saying, if I put my hand out there to shake it and you're like, no, I don't fuck with you. Like okay, now I know where I stand. Like it helps me understand the situation better.
Speaker 7:But yeah, I definitely so yeah, and I'll make a point real quick. I, when I say I do this, I don't mean to uh, like, especially for the people in the chat. I don't. I'm not trying to say I do this to manipulate somebody, uh, and, and try to, I do, I do it to control a situation. I think it works, but I also do it because it's a human being. Right, it's a person, yeah, and, and my dad always told me, if you're getting into this job for any other reason than to help people, you need to do something else, right, um, you know, yeah, it is what it is, and you just treat people like humans and it'll always go better for you than the guys I don't shake hands. I promise you it'll always go better yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Mag dump said holy crap, where has this guy been hiding? Ryan, you're so spot on. Uh, I love it. Um, we're gonna get his dad on too, so I can't wait for that he's far more interesting than I am, so yeah um, I think, I think you've gained a lot of fans yeah, if this dynamic goes kind of the way that I'm hoping between you and your dad, there may be a DTV spot for you if you're interested.
Speaker 1:Absolutely that would be a very interesting dynamic father-son duel on there. My dad can go fuck himself, but you and your dad, that'd be cool. Alright, let's keep going with this video here. I want to see how this plays out. K99. Right, with this video here. I want to see how this plays out K99.
Speaker 13:Right here, right here, stop, stop, stop, summer stop. Hey come around, he's still signal zero, zero hold on that knife still in his hand. Drop that knife man drop the knife drop that knife. All right, drop the knife brian, drop the knife man. We're trying to help you.
Speaker 1:We're trying to get you medical buddy oh my god, that pisses me off more than anything right there.
Speaker 6:He knows his name, paul, so I I do want you to read the the I I went, I couldn't handle it.
Speaker 3:I went and read it oh okay, I'll read it after yeah, I want you to read it.
Speaker 6:Oh, okay, I'll read it after. Yeah, I want you to read it because there's some things on this officer's side that really frustrate me.
Speaker 1:Okay, fair enough, fair enough, matter of fact, we don't need to see any more. We'll go right to that. Okay so, jacksonville, florida, on August 13th 2025 at 1.50, amrien gill gillis set fire. We already know all this um it's the second paragraph gillis was holding a large knife and turned to the officer yelling at him to back off, which I think we saw that gillis then turned to run into a residential area with a knife still in his hand. We saw that officer.
Speaker 6:Actually sorry, it's the second sentence in the first paragraph. At the end, officers announced that the plea on the police radio to be on the lookout for Gillis and share all known information about him known information about him including the arson at nine uh nine 14 officer. Different officer saw Gillis running along uh East 25th street near Buckman street. Officer armed himself with a taser and yelled at Gillis to stop and then we saw what happened. Oh, okay, so the information he's received about Gillis is you know, this arson suspect you know, left the scene of the crime.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Is now on the streets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I still don't think that justifies.
Speaker 6:No, I don't either, but it frustrates me because you know you're not getting all the information and, as a responding officer, you know you're only getting all the information and, as a responding officer, you know you're only getting what was put across the radio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I don't want people to think that I don't think there's a reason to shoot at somebody armed with a knife that's running in public, but I need there to be an immediate danger to something or somebody. We didn't have that here.
Speaker 7:I need there to be an immediate danger to something or somebody. We didn't have that here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kind of kind of parallels like fleeing felon, right, yeah, yeah, now you just shot two people or one person. You just shot somebody or stabbed somebody, and now you're fleeing and you're avoiding me, like, okay, I get it, but we don't have anybody hurt, we got a crazy guy. You may or may not know that he's a crazy guy, but um other than that, again, I just is he running with a mob tell cocktail like that right you know he's an arson guy and he's running with a flame in his hand.
Speaker 6:Okay, you know. But I still, you know, would he have been okay with the taser in his hand? I, I think he would have been all good for that, but I think yeah, yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 1:So, all right, I got two videos left, so I'm gonna let's get to this next one. This one is uh, let me see this. Okay, we'll go to this one first, because it's only a minute 20. All right, looks like we got some helicopter video.
Speaker 2:We've got it. We're going to go southbound Magnolia from 19.
Speaker 1:That's some clear-ass video, yeah these are always cool.
Speaker 7:It're in the wrong lane of traffic. We're in the right lane of traffic Pit attempt unsuccessful. We're southbound.
Speaker 1:No idea why we're chasing this guy, but we're after him. A little pit maneuver Pit out, pit out, he's pulling out of it. Oh, gangster, he got out of it with a van, not easy to do. Okay, we're pitting again. There we go. Positive pressure 40. I'm with you. Did we just release the 40mm foam rounds? Did you guys hear that? I did.
Speaker 1:BMHC Outdoors delivering another dollar to us. We appreciate you, brother. Thank you very much. Yeah, that is. If there's nobody outside of the vehicle, what are we shooting for? Because it's not going to break anything.
Speaker 9:Pepperball Watch out, Pepperball Get out of the car.
Speaker 1:Oh, they lit that thing up. Smoking outside oh my God, that is a lot of Pepperball right there. That's a nightmare. I feel bad for this guy. That's a lot. Feel bad for this guy, that's a lot.
Speaker 8:I'll stay lethal. Get out of the car now.
Speaker 1:Open the door and exit the vehicle now he said let me finish the cigarette, I would have told him okay, the balls to ask. That's just me. I'm different. I don't expect any officer to listen to me. I would have been like alright bro, finish that cigarette real quick, we got you. That's just me, I'm different. I don't expect any officer to listen to me. I would have been like all right, bro, finish that cigarette real quick, we got you. Like I would have been that dude.
Speaker 6:But you know that's again the whole OODA loop thing that's going to throw him off Like I would have laughed out of it All right.
Speaker 1:Fair. Finish your cigarette.
Speaker 7:I'm not a smoker, but could you think about finishing a cigarette with that going on? I mean, you've been pepper sprayed.
Speaker 1:I know that thing's just filled with pepper balls. You know he's not happy.
Speaker 7:You can't breathe air when you're pepper sprayed. I don't know, I just it's wild, right.
Speaker 1:Crazy white boy. You know what I'm not. I've got no heartache with that one. I think that was handled just fine. I don't know what they were going after him for, but good for them. I like that he has to finish the cigarette. Oh shit, that's funny all right.
Speaker 7:How many times have you locked somebody up and they want to smoke a cigarette before?
Speaker 1:oh, that's why I carry cigarettes with me, I do too, and a lighter yep. Carry cigarettes, carry dog treats. Those are two things to carry. They work all right. Last video, um.
Speaker 6:Let's share the screen why didn't most, like other officers don't even prepare do that Like I think?
Speaker 1:it's just experience I think it comes down to. I happen to have an FTO that taught me that.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then there's FTOs out there that don't know, and they didn't teach their people that, and so they don't learn it, if ever from anybody else.
Speaker 6:So I think that's gotten me out of more like.
Speaker 1:Or people tell me stuff that solves a crime because I gave them a cigarette like it just I've had gangbangers that I know, like I knew they were going to go away for a while and I'll run them through water burger. Hey man, this is the last meal you're going to get for a while, and we both know that. So I'm let's run. You know you stay cool. Let me run you through water burger real quick. Tell me what you want and I'll get them some food and then same thing yeah, lo and behold, four years later they're out.
Speaker 1:You know, and you have to deal with them again, and they remember you or you see them and you're out with your family doing something.
Speaker 6:I don't have to worry about that person. Like you know, I've had that multiple times where.
Speaker 1:Eric doesn't purpose to sit on the curb and give them a dog treat. I would not be employed, shit. All right, let's go with this video here.
Speaker 6:Well, they might identify as a dog, so they could, if they do, always a possibility. Have you run into any of that yet? No, I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 14:That's a kid thing Go ahead. That's a kid thing. Go ahead, you got a county line 10-9.
Speaker 1:Seems like we have a medical issue going on. That's what I would guess, with fire trucks coming in car just parked in the drive-thru. It's either a. Dwi, or Are we? At a pharmacy. Yeah, we're at CVS I mean one of the two. So for me so bad like for me I'm. I'm going to direct a car to get in the front and another car to get in the back. Create a positive pressure thing. So whenever this person becomes conscious behind the wheel again, they don't slam on the gas which they like to do.
Speaker 7:Isn't it crazy how, how many cops don't do that? I know right it, you see it, they just don't do it. Or um, we have, uh, have you seen those single spike strips they're? They're about the size of a little square. You can just put them right in front of the wheel oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the piranhas, yep, yeah at least that's what we call them as piranhas yeah, and the intensity of situation.
Speaker 7:Like people don't think about that, like I, I love your point. You got to think about this guy waking up and and driving off. That could be devastating, right?
Speaker 1:Right. Yeah, it comes with experience, like how many drunks have you woke up behind the wheel? And I can tell you 9 out of 10 drunks slam the gas, not intentionally.
Speaker 7:They wake up, they grab the wheel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they just go. They don't see cops, they don't see any of that. They're just like, oh shit, I gotta go. That's all they see. So, yeah, it comes with experience. Control 235.
Speaker 5:You can cancel my record for the thing I've dropped Cool Control 235. Control 235. And that's the 46th where we go into county one.
Speaker 6:Can you see if you can see a gun in there?
Speaker 7:Can you see if there's a gun? Again, that flashlight in broad daylight A lot of people don't get it but. Yep.
Speaker 8:Ron, check the low-fair 16, I mean it's an Iridium broad daylight.
Speaker 1:A lot of people don't get it, but yep so a little trick of the trade, cell phones can see through tint. So when you put it on camera mode that's what he's doing and you can kind of see the fruits of that labor. He's trying to look at the driver and see what he can see, Completely legal. This is not a violation of anybody's rights. This is not an illegal search or anything like that. Just so you guys know according to the law, because he's outside of the vehicle. But I'm assuming we have an offense anyway.
Speaker 6:Pretty crazy. The fire department is like right there yeah, all right so I can't ever get them to come that close right, let's keep going no, getting the wake up yep, they do.
Speaker 1:Got a car in the front. No positive pressure, though. I don't like that. So with positive pressure, newer vehicles anyway. When you push against them, rock the car back or rock the car forward. It makes it so it can't put in drive.
Speaker 8:Once I had the car in front and I couldn't get this person awake. Hey, hey, nope, put it in park, put it in park.
Speaker 1:Once I had the car in front and I couldn't get this person awake. I'm breaking the window.
Speaker 7:Yeah, and I've done it before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to break one of the back windows. Try to get in there. I feel like we're waiting way too long and we're going to create a situation that we don't need to create. Also you've got to think about the guy's safety Put the car on park brother. Yeah, medical emergency.
Speaker 13:Can you unlock the door for me please? Yes, unlock the door.
Speaker 8:Put the car on park. This is Charles.
Speaker 1:I can't tell what he's saying, are you?
Speaker 8:okay, is he on duty? I've just been working all day.
Speaker 11:I've got something what he's saying. Are you okay? Is he on duty? I've just been working all day. I'm trying. I've got something wrong with my mouth. I'm on my way to the hospital. Is that for 253? I? Just got yeah.
Speaker 1:Everything he just said is all fucked up. I'm on my way to the hospital. Bro, you're in the fucking line for Walgreens, hey guess what EMS is right here, right here, but we need you to get out of the vehicle and me personally, like this, is not a law enforcement action I need to take yet. Hey, bud, obviously something medically is going on with you.
Speaker 1:Let me get my guys to check you out, and that could be it we could. We could get your car taken care of. I go parking in a parking spot for you and we'll have some one of your family come get it while you get checked out and get everything okay, because right now we don't really necessarily have an offense no, and one of the first things that popped into my mind.
Speaker 7:I don't know if you guys have dealt with this. Uh, have you? Have you ever dealt with a diabetic?
Speaker 1:diabetic going through an emergency that they talk crazy first First fight I ever been in was with a diabetic and it's not their fault, right, and you know so before you start.
Speaker 7:you know going ham on somebody. It's important to keep these things in your head.
Speaker 6:You know I had a 18 year old student at the school just start having seizures. She didn't know she was having seizures and so we had one in the classroom, dealt with it, um, er, all the things. And like two weeks later she came back to the school and she was driving and she drove into a parking, uh, parking light and uh, you know. Then they took her driver's license. You know, our parents were like, oh, you know, the first time they couldn't figure out what was going on, so they just chalked it up to she was ill. And then, second time, they were like no, she's having seizures.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, first fight I ever got in with was a guy that was acting erratic at a hospital. A veteran hospital went there and he was grabbing a nurse. But it's very hard to describe, even to this day, when I was trying to tell people what was going on is he's grabbing this nurse and he wasn't saying anything that made sense and when I grabbed, he grabbed me back and I was like hey. And when he grabbed me back I was like what? The who grabs a cop?
Speaker 1:It had never happened to me before. It was the first fight I'd ever been in as a cop. And so he grabs me and I'm like get on the ground. And there was no real reaction. But everything that I did to him was like a Gumby if you guys remember Gumby. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I could manipulate his arms how I wanted to. There was like a little slight resistance to it, like Gumby was, but other than that. So I get him on the ground and I'm like I got him pinned face down and I'm like, put your hands behind your back and he's not listening. So I grab an arm and I just just put it behind his back like it was nothing. I was like, oh shit. So then I grab his other arm and I put it behind his back and I cuff him and that was really it. There was nothing to it. And I remember I could smell it smelled like he was drunk.
Speaker 1:What I was smelling was ketones, his, his sugar levels were off the charts and, um, it was like a sweet smell it's the only way I could smell it or describe it. And uh, yeah, I found out he was having a diabetic issue and he didn't get any charges or anything like that.
Speaker 7:Um, there's, there's case law on that right, wasn't there? Uh, yes, back in the 80s, 70s or 80s, and the rest of the guy, they. But he was having a diabetic emergency and they they thought he was drunk because they could smell. Yeah, you know something that smelled like an alcoholic beverage but it runs out. He was leaving like a 7-eleven or something like that. Yeah, forget it would, but it's yeah, some famous connor is that?
Speaker 1:I think, yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 7:Yeah, let me. Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me.
Speaker 7:I'll have to double check, but I'll check that right now. They teach it in every police academy, and I've been through five of them, so and the fact that I can't remember the case shows you how smart I am.
Speaker 1:but yeah, well, it's the thing I tell everybody. It's not necessarily your memory, it's just knowing a little bit about it.
Speaker 6:Big shout out to Marines Blood for all the behind the scenes that he's done for Discord and all that. Good night, sir. Thanks for joining us tonight, yeah yeah, that was it.
Speaker 1:Felt an insulin reaction coming on. Yeah, that was Graham versus Connorelt an insulin reaction coming on. Yeah, that was Graham versus Conner. Yep, you're right. So let's finish up this video, can you call me.
Speaker 8:I'm about to go. I'm hot, I'm running.
Speaker 9:Wait, let's step out of the vehicle.
Speaker 13:Yeah, I need to get out of the car real quick. I can't get out, Are you no?
Speaker 1:but I'll send it to you. Obviously, some sort of distress going on. This is not a normal thing.
Speaker 8:Go ahead step out, it's in park.
Speaker 1:Beautiful, he's getting out, get him out, shut the door.
Speaker 8:Come on back here.
Speaker 1:At this point and this is just me I'm ripping him towards me. I may sound, it may seem, mean at the beginning, but it's to prevent a larger use of force that may happen. I've got him in a position that I can take advantage of. Where he's not in his right mind, I may rip this guy.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you right now, I'm going to rip this guy down and put him on the ground or or you're ripping him towards you, or turned around, or yeah, I'm pulling him directly towards me to the back of that car so I can get that door shut. And hopefully.
Speaker 1:I got some people with me. Yes, we can't take control of that. I just want to get him away from the vehicle because inevitably, what's what I've seen happen is they get back in that car, some shenanigans happens and then we end up using a larger use of force. So I may seem like a dick pulling this guy for no reason.
Speaker 1:We're gonna say no reason because he's not, he's just slightly resisting verbal you are, you are a dick but I am a dick, yes, so uh that, but that's my point is I is to prevent a larger problem from happening later. Yeah, no doubt and and and that's what I see with this is obviously something medically or maybe drug related or alcohol related. We don't know yet.
Speaker 6:Don't grab me bro, I'm an AG. Too soon, man Too soon.
Speaker 7:Actually no, she did, she got she did, she got suspended she got suspended job.
Speaker 1:She kept her job unreal, fired. I don't care, fuck you, you're gone that.
Speaker 7:What was that rhode island? Was it rhode island or I?
Speaker 1:don't know that or new hampshire it was it was a democratic state so dropping some blue over there but, yeah, yeah, but all right, let's see. Let's see where this goes so I was this is stalling fuck this.
Speaker 6:There's no reason to explain yourself.
Speaker 1:No, like, get this motherfucker away from that guy, this guy right here with the flashlight. Why is he not reaching in and pulling that?
Speaker 6:key out exactly I. It's one of my first things I do is get that car turned off.
Speaker 1:Yes, maybe I don't need to rip him out if this douche nozzle did his job over here, mr flashlight you know we can get that door got opened.
Speaker 7:I'm, I'm getting that car turned off and right, right before you paused it, look at his facial expression.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, it's, he's not right.
Speaker 6:There's no something not right you know, and there's some things missing off for us. You know, when we get those doors open, we're immediately sense the smell, right, it's going to play into, you know, a lot of his react. You know, is it just a diabetic thing, or is it? There's an intoxication of some sort happening? And you can you generally can smell those things yeah look at.
Speaker 7:Look at that left arm boys. Look at that left arm boys. Look at that left arm, yeah, in the car. What is that?
Speaker 1:doing Right? I don't know. I don't know what's over here and that's what I'm saying. Old boy over here should have already been taking that fucking key out as soon as he got inside that car.
Speaker 8:My siren and my horn. We were knocking on the window and you weren't moving.
Speaker 9:So let's step back here here and we'll explain everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't do this.
Speaker 7:You're scaring me bullshit is that left arm still in the car?
Speaker 1:it's still in the car. Yeah, yeah. Now the hope is this is paying attention and can see it, but I I'm like I said I would have already ripped this guy towards the back of the car. I'm not dealing with this. This is our like. I'm already pissed off, not pissed off police at this guy, I'm pissed off police at situation. This is going to lead to something bigger because we didn't handle business up front.
Speaker 7:You guys have heard me say this over and over and over well, and bmhc outdoors says he's he's too busy looking for something to jam him up on. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, alan.
Speaker 6:No and I think it goes along with the whole jamming. Now, like now, you do have ambulance workers there and fire department workers there and other police officers there. Now you have an extra amount of people you have to provide safety for. You can't allow this guy to be able to control this vehicle and use it as a weapon.
Speaker 1:Yep Agreed, so it's getting bad.
Speaker 9:We're gonna be scared, just come back here. Okay, I just, I'm comfortable right here in my car.
Speaker 8:I want you to come back to the back of the car.
Speaker 9:I don't want to sir, get come back here. I'm cool. I'm okay, grant, come over here. I'm okay, just come here I'm okay.
Speaker 8:No, you are not just come here. I'm okay, come here. No, no, no, get out of the car, get out of the fucking car, get out of the car motherfucker, god damn it, that's the shit.
Speaker 7:They mucked this up.
Speaker 1:That is an unnecessary use of fucking force. You just went to deadly force because you were too fucking pussified to do your goddamn job. Now this person's shot. That's the shit I'm talking about.
Speaker 7:Fuck that. But Eric, is he pussified or is he? I don't want my life ruined. I don't want to you. You know what I'm saying. Like I, I get it. Yeah, if you rip. I'm going to.
Speaker 1:I'm going to race it up, it ripped a guy. Yeah, I get it. I'm just saying I'm a.
Speaker 7:I'm a white cop, he's a black guy. I got to.
Speaker 1:I got to watch my P's and Q. That shit makes me so mad fuck that now we're shooting. And I don't blame him for shooting. I get why he did it. He they put themselves between a wall and I said that right when I seen it.
Speaker 7:I don't like that position how many seconds do you think went by? No from when he got him out of the car and so three got back in three to five, not not long, very.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about.
Speaker 7:I'm talking about from the, from the time he got out of the car, oh yeah, until he jumped back in. I mean, they had ample time to come up with other solutions, right?
Speaker 1:right he could have pulled the key very quickly, that he was already in the car. Why didn't he pull the key immediately?
Speaker 6:or another officer on the other side of that door and shove him.
Speaker 1:Like you know I, there's a lot of motherfucker that, like I, obviously I haven't seen this video, so, like that, I didn't see that coming. I, I didn't see that guy. Like I, I warned. I said that could be a possibility that we end up getting to a higher use of force. I did not think we were going to go to fucking deadly force based on that. Holy shit. It could have all been prevented if we didn't do that.
Speaker 7:I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say I saw it coming, but police activity isn't going to post anything. That's not some wild shit.
Speaker 1:You know it's no police activity post.
Speaker 7:Honestly they do post some really good stuff like they do, they do positive officer reactions but a lot of these shots fired? Yeah, right, and they don't post anything mundane, right?
Speaker 6:I mean it's what it so this one was 11-14-2024. So what's crazy about that to me is we're almost a year out from that. We're just now getting that, and I'm sure they're coming back and claiming that the officer is justified because he was saving his own life. Yeah, Again.
Speaker 1:That's why I said I don't disagree with the shooting right. I think I understand why he fired. He got two officers that were pinned against a fucking wall during that moment what you're saying is it could have been prevented but it could have been prevented. It didn't have to get to that point, just like with the video I showed earlier the guy in the field. It didn't have to get to that point and that's my point.
Speaker 6:And, like you, you've made comments. Ryan, you said it earlier today. You know how de-escalation has gotten so out of control on you know we talk about de-escalation, de-escalation, de-escalation, instead of doing the job the right way the first time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that is exactly my point about how you've got some departments that are so heavy-handed and they need de-escalation training. It's apparent, you can see it, but then you've got departments that get so de-escalation heavy. You've got this when we can see the writing on the wall no fucking handle business. Rip that motherfucker to the back of the car, scrape him up and put him in cuffs For his own safety, for his own fucking safety. At the end of the day, he's going to be scraped up, but he's going to be alive.
Speaker 6:Because, me and you both know we get him out of that car and get him behind the Suburban. We're probably getting medical right then. Right then it's going to be okay. Let's check his medical condition first Before we go into any FSSTs, any of that kind of stuff. We're not going to FSTs. Yeah, exactly, we're fine. Yeah, move on.
Speaker 1:Any charges? Yeah, even if I have to rip them to the back of the car, slamming them in the ground, he's not getting charges. Yep, he may resist a little bit, but me personally that's just a part of business as a cop. Like, I'm not putting you fighting back a little bit on me Now. If you stab me or shoot me, yeah, we're putting some charges on you, but it's going to be a fight. That's the course of business as a cop. And this could have all been prevented had we just ripped his ass to the back right when we had the opportunity, passenger side approach with that officer, did his fucking job and pulled the keys out of the goddamn ignition. Like I don't get it.
Speaker 6:Well, and like we were saying earlier, he's the contact officer, he's the one that initiated the conversation. Yep, Like during that conversation, immediately take the keys, hit the start button. Whatever you got to do to you know, slow him down from being able to do what he just did.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 7:Unfucking real, yeah, but I'll maintain though, uh, and this is where me and eric banging out a little bit, um, I wasn't there yeah, wasn't there you guys weren't there. I don't blame the officer for shooting I don't really really try not to pass judgment um and because I I can't I can't say I won't end up on these videos. I mean, think about it right if you're actually doing police work and you're not a desk rat yeah who's to say?
Speaker 1:you know, and so I admittedly I'm a desk rat.
Speaker 6:Now, the last three months, well, and I'll say way handsome, is one of our like, one of the people that always challenges us and he says why do the cops beg and grab all like that?
Speaker 1:They're trying to deescalate. They're trying to do what the public has pushed them to do in deescalation.
Speaker 6:And I think what we're trying to do here on these videos is is not, we're not second handing all the information. We are second handing the video that we're seeing. We are judging off the information we have, which is very limited. And, yes, if they came back and said, well, we knew this and we knew this and we knew this, we'll be the first ones to say, hey, we, we, you know there's information missing off of this and we were. We got it wrong. Yeah, but from how we're going about showing these videos and trying to get everybody's take on, like giving our take on the little bit that we know, okay, if I were the officer dealing with this situation with everything that I know, this is how I perceive it and would deal with it.
Speaker 1:Yep yep, I uh, yeah, in that again you're, you're worked up.
Speaker 7:Man, I can tell I do the same thing. I start playing with my beard. I get worked up.
Speaker 1:Yeah I, I'm just like god damn it, we could have prevented this. And and that's where my frustration comes in, because I don't blame them, they're in the moment, they're trying to handle it the best they can and and and that's fine, they're in the moment, they're trying to handle it the best they can, and that's fine. And I, just a little experience comes in from a fucking, you know way far away 30,000-foot view, and that's where we're coming in. So I'm not the guy on the ground, I'm not the guys on the ground. So my 30,000-foot view is well, it's got a great advantage that they don't have, and that's not fair to them.
Speaker 1:But, when we're going through the call and I can tell you and I'm like all right, I would have done this, I would have done that. And this is why now you guys understand why, in perspective, sharing is all we're trying to do here.
Speaker 7:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that these officers were criminally liable or anything like that. It's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they tried something and they fucked it up and here's how it could have been better. But it's based on experience Ryan's experience, it's fucking Alan's experience. We can see it coming and they don't necessarily have that experience. It's not their fault.
Speaker 7:Brand already posed a really good question.
Speaker 1:Do y'all think the erosion of trust between police and citizens play a part in a lot of interaction? Absolutely.
Speaker 7:A thousand percent.
Speaker 1:And I think the media has a lot to do with that. Part of that degradation of that trust has been because the media has pushed us against each other. And that's what I'm trying to fight against. Is you see a bunch of cops on here where we're like I would do this, I would do that, and we're talking very human Like, and none of us have ever fucking worked together. We don't even work on the same side of the damn nation. So that's a. That's a positive. You can see how we're talking through a call, but that we've never seen and none of us have trained together to.
Speaker 7:To answer uh, brandar 86, I and I say this often um, obviously you guys remember the whole uh defund the police movement. Um, I always say I, I believe there's something far more sinister going on behind the scenes. Uh, with the defund the police, um, in my opinion, the police were never very well funded to begin with uh, you fucking right I mean, I could take you back to baltimore I there were times where my overheads didn't work yeah, how the fuck do you pull people over?
Speaker 7:but I mean, that's how poor we were, so they're never really fun. To begin with, I, I just uh, I I feel like there was something far more sinister, and what I mean by that is, uh, with social media, especially youtube, right, you get all these youtube uh faux lawyers and what they were doing during the defund, the police movement was essentially telling people, if you have an interaction with a cop and you don't agree with that interaction and you think you're right, you have every right to defend yourself and state your case. Did. Would you agree with that? I? I like people. People were actually told that and you can see it on these videos. No, I'm not giving you my license. This isn't a lawful traffic stop. They're telling the cop I'm not doing it. This isn't lawful. This isn't you know, I know you've seen this, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's funny you mention that, because I'm putting a collaboration together. I'm going to show about 10 videos of that same type of reaction.
Speaker 6:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's, it's. It's what's your probable cause. It's frustrating. What's your RAS? Yeah.
Speaker 7:What's your reasonable, articulable suspicion? I mean all these terms that people really don't know anything about. They spout this off because they hear it on YouTube. Right, and think about how many people have gotten hurt or arrested or worse because of this. It's an epidemic, guys, and that's what was going on during the defund. The police movement, especially after George Floyd and I'm not going to get into the dynamic of that but people were like, hey, if someone starts to handle you, a cop starts to handle you. Like George Floyd, defend yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 7:You're going to do what you got to do and that's police brutality, it's not a it's. It's not a good thing, like you know and I'm not saying cops don't make mistakes.
Speaker 1:But this whole you know, I know what I'm talking about and you don't yeah, really problematic ego it really, it really is and I and I I preach this about cops all the time and I think that's why our following's gotten so big, because I call it cop ego all the time. But, guys, you have an ego too and sometimes your ego is way the fuck off and you try to use that ego on the street versus in the courtroom. I would rather you have an ego in court with your defense versus an ego on the streets with a cop and be wrong, because that's what happens often. You somehow let the fucking social media trick you into thinking you're right in your wrong and I think that's what you saw with the william mcneil jr.
Speaker 7:I think is that his name, william mcneil jr? What? One is that the kid who got popped in the face in florida.
Speaker 7:They had to break open the window oh yeah, I think you did a video, yeah they pulled him over because he didn't have his headlights on and um, you know, I see this back and forth right, uh, about, you know he didn't do anything wrong. Well, he barricaded himself in a car and I saw a lot of people talking, especially celebrity like jamie foxx came out and said all all this over some headlights? Well it, it wasn't over headlights, right, right, that was what the initial stop it was over the fact that he barricaded himself in the car, right, and he wouldn't comply with anything. And so, if you think about that, what scenario do you know where a cop's going to be like? You know what he locked himself in the car? Boys, let's go. Yeah, we're not, let's go?
Speaker 7:yeah, it's not gonna it doesn't work that way. Right and it's it's. It's unfortunate that it turned out the way that it did. I don't want to see anybody get hurt. I don't like when these things escalate into violence, but like it just doesn't work that way, you know?
Speaker 1:stop listening to youtube yeah uh, wade lucero said I don't trust cops, even at gunpoint. I don't listen to commands. I let a sig show my hands and let them come get me ballsy. I will tell you that wade very ballsy um as long as I can see your hand.
Speaker 7:I'd rather that than yeah, you fight.
Speaker 1:As long as I can see your hands, we're okay, it's gonna work out. I promise um end of the day. So, uh, freeman key said you're 100 positive, that you're right, you can fight it. You can't fight it on the road and I agree it's never gonna work in your favor. Um, another collaboration of videos I'm putting uh together right now is I have been putting slowly together because it doesn't happen often Um sovereign citizens trying their arguments in court.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, it's so fucking funny Cause they always get. Ryan, you tell me if it's been your experience. Alan, um, I've seen the sovereign citizens of court and they get it One most of the time. It doesn't just the judge, doesn't just rule against them, it pisses them off. Yeah, I mean, it makes them angry. That's the last motherfucker you want to make mad. I try not to make a judge mad because they will fuck a cop up real quick. Uh, so when a judge tells you something to stop saying, something to stop doing, to don't dress a certain way, listen, I am giving you friendly advice Don't fuck with judges, because the checks and balances for them doesn't exist.
Speaker 7:No, that's not like fucking with a cop. You can fuck with me all you want.
Speaker 1:Fuck with a judge. You're going to lose every time, and that's not even a subject we're getting into tonight, because I think the courts need some checks and balances. But anyway, uh, don't fuck with the judge, and when you do the sovereign citizenship in court, they will lose their absolute mind. I've actually got a couple judges that lose their mind like Joker would, laughing at you as they fuck you. So don't do it, guys. Brandar86, thank you very much. Dropped another five bucks, but then cops can be found to be wrong and the person is still out. All the money and time for an attorney. How is that fair? It isn't. No, it's a system we have. It's better than you're going to find anywhere else.
Speaker 1:But it's not perfect and it's not fair, and I agree with you. That's why I get frustrated when I hear cops say you can beat the time but you're not going to beat the ride or whatever, however that saying goes.
Speaker 1:I don't like that either, because it's something that I hadn't really thought about up until later years in policing and I'm kind of ashamed of that. But I fully admit that you're right, it's not fair. Bmhc Outdoors another dollar from him. Thank you very much, sir, appreciate that. Yeah, guys, all the donations tonight because we're about to wrap it up here from him. Thank you very much, sir, appreciate that. Yeah, guys, all the donations tonight because we're about to wrap it up here. That's all the videos we got for tonight. Thank you very much Again. It doesn't go in my pocket, it doesn't go in Alan's. Alan probably needs a little money, but it's going directly back into the show. It's going into that piece of shit. Rode videocaster that didn't work and I'm sending back, still pisses me off. The guys actually were sending me videos and jokes and I told them I guess I'm not in the mood and you don't.
Speaker 6:You don't actually make comments like that very often, like no, you're like, you usually go with the flow when you're frustrated, and I was last night. It was like don't make another comment, guys. That's how I took the comment like I was done, bro.
Speaker 1:I bought this piece of equipment thinking like it was going to like. The idea was, like my camera that's over here that they're seeing me on, uh tim showing a five dollar bill, um, the the money or the the cameras. Like I wanted to be able to set a multicam thing up and the idea is, if I ever had like my dad over during a live stream, I could put my dad on and me on at the same time and like, like that's what the equipment was supposed to be, like I can have people in here. And it just was not working. Like how you guys see me moving smoothly right now. It was like, like I I mean, I was so fucking mad I did I bought cables, like internet cables and every like. Just I tried every fucking thing out there and it didn't work and it just pissed me off.
Speaker 6:So it did not work like advertised I think tim is over here trying to feed money into the machine yeah, that's what I'm saying. Tim's throwing money up at the trying to put it into the Coke machine, you know right. Spitting it back out.
Speaker 1:Aereo just dropped $5. The judges make money, the lawyers make money and the prosecutors make money, but the defendant doesn't Right and it's fucked up. Um brand are dropped another 10 bucks. In the super chat said this goes into when ryan said he hated iso police on stops won't listen, uh, to hear on a stop, just want to get it over and won't listen if they could be wrong and that that's not wrong.
Speaker 7:But yeah, and I see what he's saying. And just for clarification, uh, brandar, I uh I've changed my mind on these, though I uh, like I said when I started watching him, I was, I was hearing, but I wasn't listening. And, um, you know, and and to the, to the last super chat. I think that's what what two cops is trying to do, guys like matt Matt Thornton, trying to bridge that gap. You know, you're right, it's not always right, it doesn't always go the way it should.
Speaker 7:But, to Eric's point, it's the best system in the world at this point and we're trying to do the right thing right. That's the whole point of this. What we're talking right now, right, trying to do the right thing right. That's the whole point of this. What we're talking right now, right, trying to do the right thing, trying to bridge that gap and get people to have a conversation. This wasn't a thing when I first started as a cop, right, and I really do feel like that. Us against them mentality is starting to fade off. It's not gone completely, but we've made progress, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're always getting better. We need to continue to try to get better and there's a lot of steps that we can take to get even better. And, like I said, you never heard of any of this. You heard about it with Matt. Let's say he's the OG of Ridge, so he's the original guy. And now what do you got? You got me, you got Izzo guy. And and now you know what do you got? You got me, you got izzo. You got uh, anti-hero podcast, you got copville. So you like it's becoming more prominent. So what does that tell me? It's getting better yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7:And I just want to reiterate I don't hate izzo, I don't want that guy on my bad side you don't want that smoke.
Speaker 1:I don't blame you and I'm boys with him, so I got your back. He's like, he's like banning.
Speaker 7:He? He's like a big teddy.
Speaker 1:I want to give him a hug yeah, all right so I do not hate iso yeah oh well, ryan, you got any closing statements that you want to get out there before we get off tonight um, just thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 7:Um, it's uh, it's kind of, like I said, it's kind of surreal to be talking to you, man, like we always have. Uh, we, we, we comment back and forth, but you can't have a conversation like that, Right? Uh, those, those threads are made to leave your comment and keep it moving, and so some of the things I think that we talk about kind of get misconstrued, and that's not my intention. I'm so glad that we're able to just actually have a conversation. I'd love to come back here with my old man. He's got a far more storied career than I do. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 7:But it's a, it's a great thing to be a legacy in law enforcement. You know that and I just appreciate you guys. I want everyone to be safe and, uh, you know, all my cops, you know, keep ducking because it ain't get. It ain't getting any safer for us. It's really not right.
Speaker 1:So uh, tim had a question for you. He said we see you have that thin blue line flag. What does it mean to you?
Speaker 7:yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm willing to answer it, and I don't know if you were here, uh, in the chat earlier, tim. Um, that flag to me is not. It's not an ideology. Um, that is something, uh, that I believe people created, um, when it started with the defund the police movement, um movement, that blue line is not an ideology. I don't live by it. I don't protect cops that are doing the wrong thing. What that line means to me is when you lose some friends on this job.
Speaker 7:When you lose some friends on this job. It's a difficult thing to take in. That line means to me everybody that we've lost trying to do the right thing. That's what that line means to me. It's my buddies trying to keep them safe. That absolutely does not mean, um, protect bad cops. We're not a gang, um, we are not, uh some ideology. That is some far right you know uh entity that's trying to keep people down, um, so it means, when I look at that, I see, uh, all my buddies that have uh lost their lives.
Speaker 7:And eric will tell you, every time I go on to linkedin, linkedin, there's a new cop. Every time I could go on right now, I guarantee you, there's a, a post about a cop that just lost their life, right, it's every fucking day. It never stops, right, and so that's what that means to me. It's just it helps me remember, uh, who they were and what they did and all the sacrifices that they've made. It reminds me of their families, their wives, you know, their husbands, their, their children, um, it's, it's a reminder, I guess, to sum it up, it's a reminder, I guess, to sum it up, it's a reminder of the sacrifice that they made. It's not an ideology, if that makes sense. Sorry, I didn't mean to get emotional. You know how it is, bro. We just keep dying.
Speaker 1:It shows you care, you take it serious, you're not wearing the badge to look cool or, you know, get pussy or any of that shit no no, no, you're human, you're human so it's a reminder to answer tim's question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know it all kind of uh means a little bit different than it's kind of. One of the things I want to show to people is not this blanket. This is what it means. It it doesn't. It means different things to different people. You know, just like I'll ask anybody in the in the that's still on here tonight what's the American flag mean to you, and you're going to get a million different answers Everybody. That flag means a million different things to a million different people. So same thing with the thin blue line stuff. So just the thing. But, ryan, I appreciate you being on tonight. Brother, we're at four and a half hours. I would be more than willing to have you come back on obviously Now that, especially that you've kind of got a taste and you know what it's like, and you know I'm not going to ambush you or anything like that uh, so I really appreciate you being on tonight. Thank you very much, alan. You got anything, buddy?
Speaker 7:yeah, I'm glad to meet. I'm glad to meet alan too.
Speaker 6:Uh, yeah, good to meet you too, sir and uh love to have you back and you know eric's not always here, so you know we can always reach out, yeah we always need regulars.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we need regular people to just come on, and that's the coolest thing about what we have going is the interaction with the people that aren't law enforcement and bridging that gap, and I'm just honored to be a part of it and included. I feel like my mindset has grown since being with the group because having um outside perspective, outside of the state of Texas perspective, it really blows my mind at how, like, when we go through these, all of us come from a different training platforms and different environments and we all, for the most part, have the same mindset going through it. And uh, and. And then it's like, well, no, I see your point, I really would have done it that way. And so, uh, I feel like I've grown. Um and uh. Another shout so my son is 23.
Speaker 6:He's a deputy in this local County and he actually uh text me this last week was like y'all have a discord, I'm on, and so my son's on the discord and he listened to the chat for the first time tonight and so shout out to him and uh, but uh, you know, I think some of the things we're teaching here or talking about is good education for new officers and um, and the understanding of that. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 7:And just the last MagDump and the last person that commented. I appreciate the love guys. Thank you very much. It means a lot.
Speaker 1:Yep, I, the Knight, said honestly, as long as people are willing to listen and consider different stances people have, then that's someone you can converse with. I agree, and that's really what we try to foster here. You guys know, as long as you're not promoting violence, being racist or lying, that's the other. That. That's where Nevaeh, or Heaven spelled backwards that got herself into trouble with us is she was lying about what we were trying to say. She was, and I told her. I said hey, that's not true. This is why we said what we said. This is da-da-da-da-da. Can you please take that down? I gave her the opportunity and she still refused no, I'm not going to do it. And she didn't do it. So I didn't ban her. I just put her on a timeout for a few days. That was it. Put her on timeout and, uh, you saw her jump in here and she didn't even realize that she wasn't banned. She just decided to go ham and whatever. I still haven't banned her. I didn't tell her to stop talking tonight. I didn't do any of that. I didn't know all the shit that she was putting on there. I didn't stop that because why? She didn't violate any of the three things I just told you guys about politics and religion.
Speaker 1:That's the other thing, like and we even have a a a Akbar guy in here tonight and he started kind of going along with what we were doing. So we don't we don't limit people's speech on here. We really try not to. I want you guys if you don't, I want the people that hate cops the most to come on here more than I want the people that love cops. So it's really the goal so we can have those conversations. Ryan, I would love to have you back anytime, especially since my people loved you, so that to have you back, uh, anytime, especially since my people uh loved you, so that that always, that always helps. But, um, yeah, if you got nothing else, alan, you got anything else you want to put out there uh, just join the discord um you might get some naked banning pictures.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wade's putting out there, so yeah, wade's putting that shit out there, so I love it, but everybody else, thank you, um, if you want to help support the show, that thank you If you want to help support the show. I'll do that Wade.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you want to help support the show, just get people to like follow, especially on our YouTube. If you want to help out financially, that definitely helps too. Go to our Buy a Cup of Coffee or to our YouTube channel, get a membership and everybody else. Have a good night, brian hang around for a minute.
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