How A First Amendment Auditor Sparked Real Police Training And Hard Truths

A school police officer told an auditor that filming an officer is illegal. It wasn’t—and what followed became a masterclass in rights, ego, and how quickly a routine moment can unravel when the law takes a back seat. We invited David from San Joaquin Valley Transparency to walk us through the viral arrest and the lessons he’s learned after years of auditing—then put those claims under the microscope with three cops who train recruits and call out bad policing.

Together we map the real line between lawful public recording and unlawful interference and explain why prior restraint and, in California, the Bain Act matter on the street—not just in court. We talk through field-tested approaches any patrol officer can use today: speak to the caller first, observe before you engage, and treat auditors as a chance to educate the public. We also get into the cultural stuff you won’t see in a policy binder: how ego fills the gap when an officer isn’t sure, why a simple “let me verify” can defuse a confrontation, and how confidence from jiu‑jitsu or boxing training lowers hesitation and reduces force.

David shares concrete wins achieved through public records, complaint routing, and sustained local pressure, including leadership changes that followed documented misconduct. We push for more transparency, including body‑worn cameras that stay on with no muting during calls, and accountability that extends past police to prosecutors, judges, and corrections. The conversation lands on a nuanced truth: yes, we need professionals to handle real violence, and yes, citizens must know their rights. When both are true in practice, cameras become bridges, not battlegrounds.

If you care about First Amendment audits, police reform that actually works, and the kind of training that protects everyone, this one’s worth your time. Listen, share with a friend, and tell us where you think accountability should start. And if you haven’t yet, subscribe and leave a review—your feedback helps us keep building this conversation.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Opening, Guest Arrival, Ground Rules
• 3:30 David’s Origin And Audit Philosophy
• 9:30 Building Bridges With Cops And Creators
• 18:04 Accountability, Community, And Education
• 25:04 Matt Joins: Early Audit Influences
• 31:04 Freedom, Rights, And Dinner-Table Civics
• 37:04 The Viral Traffic Stop And Arrest
• 45:34 Legal Breakdown: Recording Rights And Bain Act
• 52:04 Training, Ego, And De‑Escalation
• 59:04 Jiu‑Jitsu, Confidence, And Use Of Force
• 1:06:04 Parents, Culture, And Raising Better Citizens
• 1:11:04 Audit Tiers, Tactics, And Ethics
• 1:18:04 How Good Cops Handle Auditors
• 1:25:04 Body Cameras, Muting, And Transparency
• 1:32:04 Reporting Bad Cops And Real Consequences
• 1:39:04 Do We Need Police? Nuance And Balance
• 1:46:04 Local Reform Wins And Public Pressure
• 1:52:04 Audience Q&A And Final Takeaways
• 2:18:04 Closing Thanks And Cross‑Platform Invites

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

On a podcast, the views and opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of two cops, one donut, its host or affiliate. The podcast is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. We do not endorse any guests' opinions or actions discussed during the show. Any content provided by guests is of their own volition, and listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions. Furthermore, some content is graphic and has harsh language, your discretion advised, and is intended for mature audiences. Two Cops One Donut and its host do not accept any liability for statements or actions taken by guests. Thank you for listening. With me my co-host, Banning Sweatland. What's going on, brother?

SPEAKER_00: 0:54

Oh, another day, another day, another dollar, brother. It's uh it's been a great, great start for me.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00

Yep, for everybody over there in the uh oh, I was just about to say, I don't know if our guest is uh showing up, but he's on.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08

Yeah, what's up, guys?

SPEAKER_01: 1:09

And everybody was wondering, is our special guest going to be here? We got him, San Joaquin. What's up, brother?

SPEAKER_02: 1:15

How you doing, man? Good to talk to you guys.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17

You're looking crispy. What kind of camera are you running over there?

SPEAKER_02: 1:20

Uh it's just my iPhone, as a matter of fact.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23

Ah, that's why. Well, iPhones have good cameras.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26

But I do have I do have some lighting that I I use, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29

Ah, there you go. It's all about the lighting. That's true.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Well, okay, guys. We were we were nervous. I was very nervous. Were you able to uh join your YouTube channel?

SPEAKER_02: 1:42

I wasn't, but I will be like taking clips and I'll be uh showing folks so they can watch later on and stuff like that. Okay. My my assistant's off today. Yeah, my assistant's off today, and she does all the technical stuff, man. And I just I know how to press, go, you know, go live and no worries.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59

No worries, no worries. Yeah, we was hoping because we, you know, we like Bannon, he's got his LinkedIn channel on here. He's got like 30,000 followers on LinkedIn, which is that's huge. Um on LinkedIn. Yeah, and uh, so yeah, we usually try to combine that. I think Matt's gonna be joining us a little late. Matt Thornton, he's uh he's uh an SRO, uh school resource officer uh in the Chicagoland area. And um he's running a little late today, so he said he'll be he'll be, but he'll be on. And he's got you know like 500,000 followers on his YouTube channel. So um trying to get that. But uh first and foremost, broth, you know, it's kind of weird how we met each other. Um I I shared one of your videos, uh, kind of did a reaction to I didn't know it was your video. And lo and behold, I ended up uh Matt, my buddy uh from the show, he's like, Hey, you should give credit to San Joaquin um on this. And I said, Who the fuck is San Joaquin? He's like, Oh bro, he's this, this, that. And he goes, I follow him. He does really good stuff and started bragging you up. And I goes, Well, fuck, why don't I ask him to come be on the show if you know him? And uh he's like, Well, he's like, I don't know him like that. He's like, But yeah, you could ask him, see what he says. I was like, Fuck yeah, let's go. So um I really appreciate you. You know, you've been so cool the whole time. You're like, yeah, that's you know, you reached out on Instagram and all that. So really appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00: 3:17

Yeah, we we appreciate it very much.

SPEAKER_01: 3:19

Yeah, my audience is is a very perplexing mix. You know, we got quite a few first responders. We got quite a few want to hold police accountable because I'm a I'm a fence sitter when it comes to how people view me. Um, because I will call out cops when I see bad police work, like in your video. Um, so I wanna I want to get down that rabbit hole, but first I just want people to know you who you are, um, your background, and uh what led you to being on social media. So can you kind of give a little bit of your background, sir?

SPEAKER_02: 3:53

Yeah, no doubt. So my name's David. I run the San Joaquin Valley Transparency YouTube channel. I started in 2017. Uh I kind of started off, you know, I don't want to lie, I kind of started off as an asshole with the camera and I started seeing some videos, and I really didn't like myself, seeing myself like that. So I started changing it up and just start asking questions and open up dialogue and and uh and I started asking cops, you know, one particular question, and that was if they knew the first amendment of the constitution. Not very many of them knew it. Actually, none of them knew it. And so I began to discover a pattern, and you know, I believed it was important to continue to highlight this because I believe that um cops not knowing it kind of puts them in danger and puts the people in danger as well. If a certain line is crossed, sometimes people will fight tooth and nail for those rights, and a lot of times people lose. And so I'm just like, I think it it would be a safer place to be if we can, you know, maybe discover this pattern that's kind of hiding in plain sight and just start um putting it out there. I am, you know, people have told me that I am uh one of the first wave of First Amendment auditors. I did start off, you know, a lot a while back, like about eight years ago, and um soon after that, it just a community grew and it was massive. And uh and it just it's still growing, you know, to this day. We have a lot of people recording and asking questions. So that's kind of what I started doing off. And I guess what got me involved was I I live in Bakersfield, California, and uh there was a news segment that said that Kern County was, you know, it had the highest numbers of police justified killings per capita. And I was like, damn, I have you know four sons and I don't want them growing up and getting killed, you know, for pulling out their phone or something, and and uh and the the police will get away with it. So I decided to get out there, I reached out to some channels and I started recording and uh um and I started a channel. I didn't expect to grow, I didn't expect a hundred subscribers. And uh, you know, this eight years later we've amassed a pretty large following. And I think it's pot probably because the way I decided to approach this and a more of a an educational way to do it, instead of you know, just always being at, you know, you know, bumping heads and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01: 6:12

So yes, so it it seems that the the same thing that that triggered how we do our stuff is the same thing that triggered how you do your stuff. Everything that I try to do, um and if you guys are on here and you're like, who the fuck is this guy? San Joaquin Valley Transparency, this is his page. So people in the chat were already asking, like, where's this stuff at? So um, we will hook you up, brother. Our platform is your platform. Feel free if you got books, whatever you have, if you want to plug, if you want to plug your mom's flower shop or whatever she's got, I don't care. Do it. Um but uh thank you. The thing that we were we were trying to figure out was there's a problem on both sides. There's a problem on the police side and there's a problem on the civilian side. And you you are a great example of what that seeing that problem because you know firsthand that citizens try to use police as pawns to come out to deal with you because emotionally they don't like what you're doing and they aren't educated enough to know that that's your First Amendment right to do what you're doing in a public place. So we're like, it it's not gonna do me any good to sit here and try to preach to certain people. So I'm not gonna try to preach. I'm just gonna tell you how I understand the law and in the education that I have behind it to try to prove a point. And then we'll have that discussion. Come to the table. We may not agree at the end of it, but just know that I'm trying to help on both sides the best way that I can because I'm still an active cop. So for your audiences listening, yes, I am still an active cop. And uh that's what makes doing what I do so risky, and I have to be very measured in what I do. Um, you know, I can I can only do and say so much without putting my own career at risk. But damn it, one of us needed to come to the table and start talking about that stuff. Well, in doing that, that's where I found my buddy Banning here, who was a recently retired deputy. Um, but he's got 20 plus years in law enforcement. Matt, the other guy that's on, he's got 20 something plus years in law enforcement. He's about to retire. Um, our guy behind the scenes right now, Alan, who's running all of our stuff, um, that little guy right there. He's waving. Um, he's recently stepped out of law enforcement. Um, we've got a rookie. He's only got like five years on, if that. Um, I think he's got three years or four years. Uh Trey Mosley, he's out in California as a cop. Uh so we got a rookie perspective, you know, and we're all on the same mission to try to use kind of just what you said, education and talk about that stuff. And what I'll give you an example. The next next Monday, the show that I'm doing at my academy, we put on an ego class for recruits to understand. Because like that guy that you dealt with in your video, which we're gonna show it here soon, um ego took over. He didn't know. He didn't know. That was the thing. And when we don't know where to go next with our next steps, we can either own that and go, you know what, I need to get some more clarification. I'm sorry, let me step back and just make sure that I'm right. And that's what I wish cops would do. Just step back. Hey, hey, you know what? I'm not sure. I'm not sure what my play is here. I'm gonna go get some clarification from somebody that knows. If every cop did that, I think a lot of our interactions we just fine. Let me get clarification because I don't know what I'm doing right now. Cops will not do that. They do not like to own up that they don't know what the fuck they're doing. And that is where we get that ego problem. And so we're gonna do a live and we're going to teach the ego class that we're teaching these recruits on here. And and now it's a tool. Now we're not we're not hoarding that information. Now it's a tool. If if you, San Joaquin, run into somebody that a cop like that, and you're like, you know what, dude, you need some fucking training because obviously you don't know the laws. Here's a video for you to go from one of your own people. You don't have to listen to me. Go listen to one of your own people while they teach you where you're fucking up right now. So yeah, brother, I like that mission.

SPEAKER_02: 10:12

I I gotta say this, man. I it's kind of cool. Um, you know, there's a community that came about, you know, First Amendment auditing community. Um, but there's also what people, what some would call a frauditor community. Some folks don't like what we do, but I gotta say, um, obviously I know who Matt Thornton is. I think everybody in the community does as well. Um, we watch a lot of his videos and his clips, and he says a lot of things, you know, regarding this type of stuff. And it seems like a community is growing from this as well, that's actually positive towards what we're doing. Now, I I get it, we do a lot of stupid stuff in this community and and what we do as well. Um, but at the same time, you know, a lot of us do have uh good intentions, you know, in what we're doing, the work and and to educate people. And and it's kind of cool to see you guys talking about this stuff, sharing our videos as well. Yes, and uh, you know, I'm not gonna lie, when I seen uh my videos shared on your on your Instagram, I was like, that's awesome, man. I was like, that's cool because I know you have a reach as well, you know. And yeah, and I'm like, you know, your your your your uh your supporters are gonna see this as well, and they're gonna say, wow, you know, this cop is obviously wrong, and what you're saying was true. And it was mind blowing, and it was really cool and really nice to see. So definitely thank you on that.

SPEAKER_01: 14:23

Yeah. Uh East Loss audit said, your police academy has failed you. They don't teach you how to respect the public. I don't really know that it's a police academy's job to teach people how to respect each other. I think that that is a that's a mom and dad issue. If you're not respecting people out in the public, that's a you. Um looks like we got Matty on. Matt just joined. Where is he at? He's trying to get his shit going. Uh, when you can, Alan, can you jump Matt in there? We go. Maybe maybe. I know he's trying to connect. But um, yeah, I would say to um that person that put that uh there he is. Look at this. Straight out of prison. Matt Thornton. Oh, what's up, buddy? Can you hear me? Yeah, tap your mic and make sure you're on your right. We got a nope. Every time. Yeah, you sound like you're in an echo chamber. A cop in an echo chamber? What are the odds?

SPEAKER_03: 15:29

How about now?

SPEAKER_01: 15:30

There we go. Hey, sounding crispy.

SPEAKER_02: 15:32

What's up, David? How you doing, brother? What's good, man? Good to finally actually talk to you.

SPEAKER_01: 15:38

See, I told you guys two cops, one donut, bridging gaps.

SPEAKER_03: 15:43

I gotta say, let me lead off, man. Like, like I remember you're the second auditor I I ever I ever saw. First one I ever saw was fascinated was Phil Hernandez from uh was that High Desert. Yeah, and then and then you you were the second. I I just became obsessed. There's probably about 2017, 18, right around in there.

SPEAKER_02: 16:00

Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_03: 16:01

Yeah, yeah, and and ever since the common sense that this man has and the and how he does it now, it's it's it's it's actually really, really cool, man. I really appreciate. Enjoy your stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 16:11

Well, one of the things you missed him saying earlier, Matt, was that he he owned up and said when he first started out, he didn't start out the right way in the way that he probably wanted for his what his true personality is. Um, and being able to step back and recognize that and switch up your approach for what your what your mission is. I think that was a because it you do get caught up, and I've done it before too, where I I'll I'll make a video or something like that, and I'm like, oh, this will get a lot of people to watch. And I'm like, that's the wrong mindset. I need to go. What's my mission? Oh, it's education-based. Okay, cool. Let me do, let me change this video back up because you will, you get caught up where you're trying to like, all right, let me get some more viewers on this to get more attention to what we're trying to do. Screw it, just stick to the mission. If you stick to the mission, they'll come.

SPEAKER_03: 16:59

Um you know what you do, like that's so good, brother, is the your summaries. It's so matter-of-fact. And so I don't know. Do you write those out ahead of time? I've been uh I actually wanted to see how how you how do you how do you do that?

SPEAKER_02: 17:12

I I do write a lot. Uh sometimes it just comes off the top, like when I'm actually watching a video, I'll just pause it and narrate into it. You know, I'm thinking as I watch sometimes, but if I if I really want to uh work on a video and I really want it to like pop, I'll just I'll I'll do I'll write my stuff into it and I'll just talk about certain things. Like there's like I you know, along the way, I think I figured out certain types of things to say that'll make people really think. You know, it's and and I call those like little diamonds or gems, you know, things that it takes a lot of pressure to actually find these, you know what I mean, and to create these. And one of the things that I say is like, what kind of American would I be if I needed permission to be free? You know, um, things like that, or or for instance, um uh freedom should be the topic on every dinner table in America every single night. Like that that kind of stuff is true. Like these are things that we're not talking about at the dinner table. We're not truly understanding what our rights are. The people don't seem to know it. I didn't know what the First Amendment was. You know, my friends and family didn't know it. I didn't learn it from my mom. I didn't learn it from school. And even if I did, it just didn't resonate because it wasn't something that just I felt like I needed to implement or apply at the right time. I just thought, oh, cops are gonna respect my rights. You know, they're gonna they're gonna know what my rights are, they're not gonna violate my rights. But there's a lot of things that we don't understand. Um, a lot of times, whether it's under coercion or whether cops are trained to, you know, um, you know, give up your certain rights or just, you know, comply or something like that, you know, and and uh so I think it's it's taken a lot of time for me to actually uh truly find a way to approach this. And I gotta say, man, I've I've actually talked to you know cops that are on the force. There's a woman who I actually kind of cussed out when I first started, and she ended up working with me later on. She wrote a book about her department and how crooked it was after she left. So I've I've worked with a lot of uh current law enforcement officers or or police officers that are retired. There was this one uh retired officer who wrote a book and I helped him promote it and stuff, and he actually wrote the first book on First Amendment auditors, and and yeah, man, it's just been it's been a journey, it's been an educational journey for myself. Um, we did a a record-breaking uh audit at the uh at the Alley PD training facility at Elysium Park behind Dodger Stadium. And uh I know I seen uh um Islos Audits, he was on here, he's the one that made that comment earlier, but um he was there with me. Uh rest in peace, Jay from J C Real Camera was there with me. My son, a couple of my sons were out there with me. I have three sons that actually have channels as well that go out and record sometimes with me and stuff as well. So um we did a record-breaking audit. This was a long time ago, and probably the most cops ever called me. You know, they lined up like if we were, you know, protesting or rioting or something. And it was the the chopper came out, and it was crazy, man. And uh, but a supervisor came out and he was like, No, man, you guys are okay. Um, you guys are good, don't worry about it. I'm gonna talk to all of them and I'm just gonna have them leave. And you know, he did invite me to go speak at the LEP training facility, maybe, maybe teach a class or something, but I don't think I was ready then. Um, I've progressed along the way throughout the years, and since then I've spoken at uh a university. Um, I've also been invited to like uh David Nina Rodriguez's podcast, and his whole podcast, his whole support base is back the blue. And I was like, damn, like I'm gonna get killed over there. You know, the first thing, the first thing he opened up with, you know, we back the blue, I back the blue, but I respect your work. And we ended up having an amazing positive podcast. A lot of people in the chat were saying, bring this guy back on. He knows exactly what he's talking about. This is what this country needs, right here. And you know, and and uh there's a lot of folks in in in your chat right now. Give some folks a quick shout-out if you don't mind. Yeah. Joe, Joe Cool, power to power, uh, inherited the people, um, girl with the camera, he's loses, the angry vet, um, and and uh made in America, the ripple effect, every camera counts. Uh, we got a call as a personal friend of mine, Wrights Crispy, personal friend of mine. He's taking me to he's taking me to Florida and and Pennsylvania. I've traveled with them to Colorado and stuff like that. And uh also the Pop Brothers at Law. He they want to say thank you, Matt, for all your work. They love it.

SPEAKER_03: 21:32

Oh, I love them dudes too.

SPEAKER_02: 21:33

Yeah, they're team did right now. They're waiting for you to do a a uh a uh STFU uh uh thing with them. They didn't ask you to do that. Yeah, so they're they're uh they're they're I have a really strong support base as well. And uh and like I say, I think I think uh by you guys kind of building a community as well of of actual current law enforcement officers or people that are being are in law enforcement or have been law enforcement, that's amazing. Because you know, a lot of us do do this for the right reasons. We have good intentions, we need to learn our rights. That's obviously I think something that we can all agree on. Everybody needs to know what their rights are, right?

SPEAKER_01: 22:12

I think I think you hit the nail on the head on family and and teaching and talking about that every day. But here's where us, so for all my cops listening, this is one thing that I do. I was never taught this, but if I have an opportunity to explain to somebody their rights while I'm out there, I do it. Like somebody that I I literally caught somebody that's looking at an auditor down the street, because we in my area where I'm at, you won't hear me say where I work on here. I can't do that. But um where I work, auditors are pretty heavy. And um, somebody was pointing out an auditor. And I took that opportunity because they were pissed off about it. You know, it's Texas, and uh, I'm like, that's that's a beautiful thing. Imagine being a part of a government or uh or this country that's so free that we can hold our government accountable in such an amazing way without fear of retribution, you know, or or retaliation. Uh and and I was like, that is a First Amendment right. They're allowed to do that. And they're like, they're allowed to do that. They can film right inside that business. I'm like, they're on a sidewalk. It's a public area, anywhere from the public. Your eyes can see, that camera can see, you can do that. I didn't treat them like an asshole. I'm like, Are you moron? You don't know your rights, or you know what, you're right, yeah, that's bullshit. They shouldn't be doing that. I took it as an opportunity to educate. So just as you're saying that we should be talking about freedom all the time, I'm with you, brother. And something that we can do as police, because this is what the whole point of my show is, or our show, my bad, Matt and Banning, the whole point of our show is is spreading that message and teaching people. It isn't to make you look bad, it's to educate. Now, sometimes you will look bad because of what you chose to do, but in your bad moment, you are going to teach a lot more cops, a lot more citizens about what their rights are or how to handle something better. So that's kind of the premise behind it. So I really like that you had that um that that thought, that philosophy. But something I want, I kind of we got some questions that we've all probably I know Matt's probably got some questions for you too. Uh Banning, um, my first question that I really want to know from you, brothers, you've been doing this since when? Since 2018, was that 2017? 2017. Okay, so from 2017 to now, have you seen a change in policing and how they handle auditors? Has it gotten better? Has it gotten worse? Is there been no effect?

SPEAKER_02: 24:38

Um, that's a great question. Um, you know, obviously I, you know, when I started, I felt like we were gonna build such a big community that um that it's gonna be nationwide and everybody's gonna know their rights, and and we're gonna create that nationwide change that needs to be done. Um I don't know if we have really yet. Um I will say this though, locally, um, there are a lot of police officers that would see me arrive on scene, and immediately it was like, bump heads, I'm gonna arrest you, um, this and that. And uh, and so the some of the same cops that I bumped heads with before um actually see me now and they're like, hey David, how you been, man? Shake my hand, and and we have a pretty good you know interaction. A lot of these cops that are that have been around me for a while that I I go out and record, they they don't they don't try to bully me anymore. They don't try to tell me I can't record and stuff like that. They just they kind of go out of their way to just kind of say hi and stuff like that. And uh I think maybe a lot of them have um maybe seen that I do have good intentions along the way, and they know they're not gonna win against not me, because I'm only one of the people. They're not gonna win against the constitution, you know, they're not gonna win against the First Amendment. And it's just a losing battle. You know, we try to go against it and it's a losing battle. And um, but yeah, I mean, I don't know if we've seen it on a grand scale, other than there are a lot of channels. I mean, look at look at what you guys are doing now. That's change. You know, that's amazing. Um, look at what a lot of people are doing now. And that's kind of, I believe it's it's a it's a good, it's a great path, you know, um, leaving politics out of this of what we do. I think this community allows anybody to kind of get involved, you know, man, woman, red, blue, left, right, um, you know, straight, gay, black, white. It doesn't matter. Everybody can be involved because it's something that pretty much kind of brings everybody in. And I've never really seen anything before where people are really trying to learn their rights, you know, uh, from anywhere. And this is going on from sea to shining sea, everywhere in between. Now we have channels and support in the UK, Australia, Canada, and other places as well. This whole topic of freedom is it's a beautiful thing, man. I think, like I said, we can all we can all agree that we all need to know our rights and have freedom, especially in this country, right?

SPEAKER_01: 27:02

Yep. I agree. I think that the youth these days, they've they've had it so easy, so cake, that they don't give a shit about their freedom until that shit's about to be taken away. And it takes, I hate to say I got it. The gray in my beard's gonna be showing here, but older people, we gotta, we gotta get it through to them before it's too late. Uh because they'll start to lose it. Um now, one of the things that we really like about what this live stream brings, um, and and what would you like me to call me? Do you want me to call you San Joaquin? Do you want me to call you David? What do you want me to call you?

SPEAKER_02: 27:34

David's fine. San Joaquin's fine. David, I you know, everybody calls me both.

SPEAKER_01: 27:38

So okay. I just didn't I didn't want to be rude. But um, one of the things that I love is people get to ask you questions from the audience, and we love giving them the chance to do that. So uh Twitchy Skitch said, San Joaquin, do you feel that the local scanner chasers are having a positive or negative impact on BPD behavior and the public perception of policing in Bakersfield?

SPEAKER_02: 28:00

That's a great question. I actually bumped heads with some of those guys when I first when they first started, um, because I was obviously doing what I do. Um, I think some of them had the wrong idea about me. Um, they would have kind of cussed me out and say bad things about me on their on their live streams and stuff like that. Um, there was one guy, TW Live's local guy, who just didn't like me. And they were kind of making threats that they're gonna, you know, knock me out when they see me and stuff like that. So one day I seen him. I ended up fighting one of those guys, man, on the streets. He's like he's a bigger dude, man. I was like, let's get it. Bam, bam, bam. Cops are right there, they didn't do nothing about it, nobody pressed charges. But I will say that even Travis West, T TW Lives, even the streamers, um, a lot of them have reached out to me, and now they look at me in a different way. They're like, you were right, man. These cops actually try to violate our rights when we're out there. And so these guys were always like, Thank you, officer, thank you for what you do. Every chance they got. And I'm just like, all right, that's fine, but they already get paid. They already, you know, they they get paid to do a job. You know, I'm not if they do a good job, they don't violate my rights, I'll be like, hey man, you guys, you guys have a good day. You know, I'll see you guys next time, whatever. They do the same with me. Cops, they give me fist bumps and everything. So, but you know, these guys that were the streamer channels, um, I think uh I I guess the question was, are they making an impact locally? Um, I think so. But even them, man, even those, even though those guys are um, you know, police supporters, back the blue, those guys have had their rights violated by these cops as well. And so, I mean, what does that tell you? You know, they they kind of changed their mindset about me as well. And more than half of them, there's probably like 10 streamers out here, more than half of them have reached out to me. And, you know, they say, hey, we got no beef with you anymore, and this and that, and you were right, you know, you're you're right about how you approach this and you know how you what you say and your stuff. And so, yeah, man, I mean.

SPEAKER_01: 30:03

All right. All right, Banny, I'm gonna I'm gonna open the floor to you, brother. I don't want i I I try to get everybody their piece of the pie, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00: 30:10

My whole thing is just a couple of statements. First of all, thank you very much for for coming on to our show, just like Eric and and Matt said, it's uh it's it's our pleasure for you to join us. I believe this truly brings more of the community together. Um I was a cop for 21 years, and I wake up every day with an inbox full. I'm a I'm a LinkedIn guy. I'm I I can't even log into my Facebook anymore. So I I rely on LinkedIn and I'm connected to two cops, and it's a melting pot. I'm I'm connected to about every profession you can think about. Um but why are we this is more of a statement again, it's not a question. Why are we sitting in 2025? Uh and I'm sorry, but why are these videos still existing? Why why is did not the training coming across, here we are in 2025, I just retired a year ago, why am I still seeing the videos? And it's such a tarnish on a career that I love and respect and I push for every single day because I know the good ones out there. I see so much good. And then when I see the things that that you've gone through through Sean Paul Reyes and all the guys that we have we've met in our journey of doing this, of what y'all have had to endure, it it angers my blood. And I know it angers Eric, and we all know it it angers Matt, and that's why he's got such a big voice on it. I'm working on it. I'm I'm learning edits and stuff. But we're just learning.

SPEAKER_01: 31:39

Me, me and and banning, we're rookies in this whole auditor world. It just we we've been calling it out for the last three, four years, yeah, but I didn't know like to because here's the problem. And and just like with your video, the video that I got of you wasn't from you, somebody else has shared it, and that's where I got it from. So I never know who the actual person is. And I don't, but somebody hears your voice in our in our audience and they're like, Oh, that's such and such. Matt did it for this one. Matt literally sent me a message, and he's like, you know, that's San Joaquin. Like, give him credit. I goes, I don't know who the fuck that is, dude. So, like, so I'm you know, Matt's, you know, he's our sensei on some of this stuff. So he's he's like, Oh, that's the such and such. I'm like, Oh, okay. So I check out your page. You had reached out on Instagram, so I saw that, and everything fell together. But like kind of what Banning's saying, like, we're 2025, we get angry.

SPEAKER_03: 32:34

I was I was fighting mad when I seen you putting them handcuffs, man. I was that was that was so ridiculous, so embarrassing, so disgusting. It like I I can't even describe it. I want to break, I want to put my foot through my computer watching that.

SPEAKER_01: 32:47

Yeah, it yeah, it's very frustrating when especially me. I'm these guys will tell you I'm not. The optimistic guy. I'm the dumbass that has rose color rose-colored glasses, no matter what it is. I'm always trying to see the good side of things. Or like I think I can make it better. Maybe that's my fatal flaw, but I truly believe I can. I see a video like yours, I'm like, all right, we can we can we can make this better. Let me get a hold of this guy. Let me let's get him on. And I may not be able to fix the problem. I'm I'm totally aware I'm not gonna fix the problem. But if we get one cop to re to see what we're talking about and go, oh fuck, I didn't think about it like that. Bang. We just we made a difference to somebody that that cop impacts later on down the line. It's not gonna get everybody, and I get that. But like a lot of your people on on here, you know, they don't know us. You know, I don't expect them to know us. They probably know Matt. Everybody knows Matt. That's why, that's why we we we love Matt. But um, you know, it it does us no good if Matt's the only one putting the fight out. Now we got now we got about five of us putting the fight out. So um, and and we're gaining more and more ground. I've I had a lot of cops that have reached out and have been like, all right, I kind of thought you were doing it this way, just like with you all. They all think you're out, they call you frauditors and that you're out there just to get the clicks and the likes. I'm like, no, there's some people out there that just truly believe in freedom and in their constitutional rights. And how else are you gonna know? That again, this is what I say. This is a beautiful country when citizens can take it upon themselves to do checks and balances.

SPEAKER_02: 34:21

Right. And you know, it's like like I was saying, man, it's it's it's a beautiful thing. It's so wonderful to see a kind of a community growing out of this, which you guys are doing. You know, I know Matt has been leading the way on this as well. Um, you know, it's it's it's it's kind of badass, you know. We need you guys as well, you know. This country needs you guys as well, you know, and and uh it takes kind of everybody trying to understand what is right, you know, the difference between right and wrong, and uh and and just you know, having checks and balances and and just us knowing what our rights are, because you know, I I had a judge once tell me, you know, if you don't know your rights, you don't have any rights. And so um that's kind of important. And a lot of us don't know our rights, so what does that mean? If we don't know our rights, we just don't have any rights. We're going out there in this world without even uh knowing what our rights are. And that's I I say it in my channel, like, you know, um parents shouldn't be letting their kids go to Starbucks, the football, baseball games, the theaters, all these places without them knowing what their rights are, putting almost putting them in a dangerous position. I've also learned as well that police officers teach their kids not to talk to cops. I mean, what does that tell you? You know, I've had other plenty of cops that I speak to, you know, that don't have channels that are either current cops or retired, and they say they give me a lot of tips and a lot of things, their training and stuff like that. Shout out to um Abiah Israel from We the People University, former cops, and just an amazing man, you know, and I've spoken to him a lot. He wrote a book and I I read it in like one day it was it was that um powerful that book was. And um, and you know, through my work, through my channel, um, seven different police chiefs have been, you know, forced out of their position. Uh, a mayor, a city attorney. Um, you know, the the the most recent one was from Arvin, California. And he this guy was a bad dude. He had been fired, arrested, charged, and convicted for stealing$17,000 from uh Buzz Vedas Estates Police Department here in California. He he goes, becomes a reserve officer in Maricopa, California, and they're impounding everybody's cars and they're getting a kickback from the Totra Computer. The grand a federal grand jury report comes out, and uh the grand jury report comes out and ends up disbanding that small department. Well, he wipes his hands clean and he comes to Arvin, California, which is a nearby town, and he kind of weasels his way up to the top. Um, when he was fired, his name was Alex Gazarian, but all of a sudden he's the chief, he becomes chief of police in Arvin and he's using Alex Gazalport. Well, he was trying to sweep his record under the rug, and this guy was like a bowling ball. He there was a lot of public officials that were not really aligning themselves with what he was doing there, and so he a lot of them ended up getting fired. Um, and so a lot of them were reaching out to me as well. They started telling me, You gotta you gotta do some research on this guy, go ask him some questions. And so I did. I I went out there and I was like, You mind if I get your name and badge number? He's like, Alex Gazalport, you know, um, I'm the chief of Arvin. And I was like, Well, I have some reports that you you used to be uh Alex Gazarian. Is it true that you used to use a different name? He says, Well, my name has always been Alex Gazarian Ghazalport. So then I began to make videos and let the people of Arvin know who he was. One of the different one of the different things that we do uh um apart from mainstream media, they don't when they tell news stories and stuff like that, they don't really put um where to make your complaints or where to redress your grievances, right? Which is in the first amendment.

SPEAKER_01: 38:00

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 38:00

We put email addresses, we put Facebook links, we put phone numbers, and so the people know where to call. And our videos go viral sometimes, so they'll get call after call after call. And it's like the pressures, the pressure is on them. So I kind of learned how to use the court of public opinion early on, and uh, and that's why I think we were able to get rid of several different police chiefs that were bad, uh, including Alex. Arvin, California is some of the best work and the proudest work that I've ever done, only because we were able to present these videos and what they were doing. Got rid of the city attorney over there, a couple other public officials, got rid of the chief of police. Now it seems like things are falling into place. The mayor seems like a really good person. She does community work, they they go out and they pick up trash together, they're clean keeping the clean the city clean. And it's just kind of amazing to see what and I let me just say this. I could not have done it myself in Arvind. I think that's a massive lesson to be learned. Um I could not have done it myself. The maybe some of the public officials that were in there could not have done it themselves without me or without the community. The community couldn't have done it themselves. It almost took like um a collaboration, a collaborative effort of you know, myself, them, the public uh private investigator who had saved all of this information because they were trying to scrub Alex's record and sleep it under the rug. And uh and they they kept all of that. So it seemed like it took a lot of us, a lot of people to actually come together, go to the city council meetings, put the pressure on, make this video, seven call, and uh to actually create the change that we got to see in Arvin. So maybe we're not making a change on a grand scale, like the entire country is changing right now. Um, maybe not yet, maybe we don't see it yet. But I was able to create help create some change here locally, and it's totally mind-blowing. Like I said, it's a massive lesson to be learned. And I also want to give a shout out to um also want to give a shout out to um uh a local Instagram page called Kern County Activities. Now check this out, you guys might like this. I believe every community needs a current county activities page. What do they do? They don't go out and record like I do, but they sure do share a lot of my stuff that I put out. Um but they also share everything that's going on in the community. If there's a car accident, fatal or not, they they some people, everybody in the community will start sending them photos. There's uh traffic stop over here, there's there's uh um border patrols pulling people over here, conducting traffic stops. There's all kinds of stuff that they put. Everybody just sends them everything, whether it's fights or bar fights, and they they've got a sense of humor as well, man. They're really funny. So if you really think about it, all all the law enforcement agencies in town follow them. We got the California High Patrol, what are they called again? Kern County Activities on Instagram. I'll send you the link later. Um, yeah. So they have the Bakersville Police Department, they have uh every the all the news agencies follow them. So what does that tell you? A lot of people, myself included, the police department and the uh and then all the news agencies, they get a lot of the their news from this small from not they're not they're actually kind of big from this Instagram account. And it's because everybody's just taking pictures around the county and just sending them everything, and so they're constantly posting. I think they got like three or four people working on them 24 hours a day, so that they can continue to post non-stop. And uh, they got merch and everything, and those guys always give me a shout-out, and they're just they it's it's kind of important because you know what's happening in your town and almost in real time, which is insane. And that's how I was able to go out and get cover new stories and do a lot of stuff like that recently. Instagram will connect you locally with a lot of local people while you YouTube will kind of spread you out everywhere, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 41:53

Yeah. Um, I want to address one thing that was said in the comments. They said that us on the panel look bored with your story. No, this is just my face. I'm sorry. Are you kidding me? I I can't be bored with what this man's saying. Um, two, I I I run everything. So while he's talking, I'm pulling things up and doing that. Um, the the only two that get to sit there and look pretty are the bald guy and the bearded guy, uh, the big ginger bearded guy. So um I apologize if I look bored, but sir, I promise you I am being a good one.

SPEAKER_03: 42:24

That's the furthest thing from the truth.

SPEAKER_01: 42:26

Yeah, yeah. We wouldn't be doing this if that if that was the case. But um I want to address what you just talked about looking up stuff in real time. Please don't let me forget that. Alan in the background, don't let me forget that. Um, but I want is that it kern counting activities?

SPEAKER_02: 42:43

Uh let me see. How many followers do they got? That might not be them.

SPEAKER_01: 42:49

That looks like 12.

SPEAKER_02: 42:50

Yeah, that's not them. That might be their that might be their backup account, but um, I'll send you I will send you their link later on.

SPEAKER_01: 42:58

And I think uh all right, let me hold on real quick. I just nobody ever really does this many memberships. I just want to give a shout out to the angry vet. He get he just gifted 50 memberships. Holy shit, brother. Thank you very much. Listen, I I if you guys I've seen a bunch of donations going to Matt's page, I've seen uh donations going to my page. Um, if if if San Joaquin had put his page on here, I'm sure he'd be getting the same thing. Um, but thank you, everybody. The money that you are putting towards the show goes directly into the show, it doesn't go in anybody's pockets. We're not out here driving Corvettes, I promise you. Um I got a 2019 truck that I'm about to have paid off in December. I'm super excited. So uh it's the first vehicle I've ever paid off. Um, but uh your money's not going towards that. It's for the YouTube premium, so you don't have to watch ads and shit when we share videos and all that good stuff. So thank you very much. But the point that I was getting to um is uh before the Angry Vet bestowed upon us that gift. Thank you, sir. Um, is I want to show your video what got us going because I want to hear that story as well. So I'm gonna share this. Um Angry Vet also said, because the troll hate when I spend money on other people's channels. That is, you know what? I like a spiteful man sometimes. That's awesome. Stick it to him, Angry Vet. Um, Angry Vet, just so you know, I am currently still in the military. I'm in the well, I'll give air quotes so banning doesn't freak out. I'm Air Force, so I'm quasi-military. He was in the real military. Uh, I am still in. I'm a military cop. I'm an Air Force cop, and I'm a municipal cop. That's where two cops, one donut comes from. When I first started by myself, I was I am the two cops. So that's where the name came from. Not two girls, one cop, despite the rumors. Uh guy that was obsessed with that for so long. Yes. Oh my gosh. Yes. The thing was, I my favorite one of my favorite podcasts was Two Bears One Cave with Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura. And I really like their podcast, so I just kind of made my name off of theirs. So, anyway, let's get to this video. Um, and Bearded Tim just received a oh, look at that. Our mod got an account. Nice. Um, let me make that go away. There you go. Um, and let's play.

SPEAKER_04: 45:22

The subject's now out here filming me. First off, you can turn off your camera, it's against the law for you to be filming an officer. No, it's not. Yes, it is. What's the first thing? I'm not gonna discuss it with you. Freedom of pressure. Freedom, freedom of symmetry. You have no right to follow me, and it's against the law. You're driving recklessly. You can call my chief and you can call the police department and you can file a complaint. You're more than you know. That's why you need your name and badge. I just can follow the right here, and that's my card number. Take it and leave. Or I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna arrest it. I'm telling you right now, it's against the law for you to be filming an officer. It's in the penal code.

SPEAKER_01: 45:45

So if you want to discuss it, we can't I'm gonna stop it right there for now because I know Matt's gonna lose his shit. Matt, you haven't said a whole lot now, buddy. I'm gonna let you have your time to shine.

SPEAKER_03: 45:55

It's it's just so preposterous to me. Like, I it's I I just I only way I can equate it is if a professional football player said went to it, went to his coach and said, How many innings are in this football game? It makes no sense whatsoever in 20 at any time. Feel me, the police is against the law. Like, that just I didn't even know it's I didn't think I I was waiting for uh uh cameras to come out that this was a practical joke or something, right?

SPEAKER_01: 46:23

Yeah, and I I think that that was the like when I saw that part right away, I was like, what in the actual fuck? And I look, I'm I'm look, I'm I'm not gonna lie, guys. I'm looking at the video, and Matt, maybe you were doing the same thing. I'm like, what year was this video made? That's what I was trying to figure out. What year was this video made? I'm trying to see this. Must be it must be an old video. And when I start trying to do research, I can't find shit on it. I'm like, oh no. When you can't find anything, that means it's pretty new.

SPEAKER_03: 46:52

Somebody said it to me. I just recognized Dave's voice right away. I'm like, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 46:57

Yeah. Again, that's the advantage you have of me and Banning being rookies over here. We're trying to figure that stuff out. So um unreal. So I wanna I wanna play until I start to commentate and then we'll cut it. But then I want you to tell the story. If if that's cool with you. If you can. Yeah, we'll do it. All right, let's uh let's keep playing. And I'll take you in the supervisor out here.

SPEAKER_04: 47:18

I don't need to. Okay, you need to you need to leave because you have no right to follow me. Let me get your bathroom real quick. I just told you what it is. And there's my car number. Here's my name. You got it on camera. So go ahead and get in your car and leave.

SPEAKER_06: 47:28

Is there any reason why you're speaking to that? I just told you.

SPEAKER_04: 47:30

Stop filming me. Or I like I said, I'm gonna put I'm gonna place you in the handcuffs and place you under arrest. And everything you do after that in front of your daughter is gonna be on you. So it's like why are you shaking like that? Are you on drugs? Is that why you're driving the recklessly the way you are?

SPEAKER_01: 47:41

Holy shit, balls. It's 2025 and we're still dealing with all right. Let me stop sharing. And there we go. Make sure. All right, tell the story, brother.

SPEAKER_02: 47:49

I have the full clip on my my Instagram. I don't know if you want to pull that up because Oh, do you? Yeah. And it actually shows from when I actually walk up, you know, and try to get his name and badge number up until he runs. Because I actually cut a lot of that out. I try to turn it into a small, uh quick video, but it's it's maybe like maybe like one or two minutes long. And then my daughter's actually recording from the car, and she actually records him when he put after he puts me in cuffs, cuffs, and walks me to the car. And after I'm in cuffs, he lifts my right arm as much as as high up as possible. And then I told him, dude, stop hurting. You're hurting me, stop. And he's like, I don't care. And he puts me in the car with my arm up like that. He even grabs my elbow and he puts me in the car like that.

SPEAKER_01: 48:31

And um, I think I got it. Let me uh you tell me if this is the right one, sir. Is that right? Um I can go back.

SPEAKER_02: 48:45

It's gonna be that one right there. Um next to the no, the one next to that, right there. It's gonna be that one.

SPEAKER_01: 48:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 48:54

Okay, yeah, that's it.

unknown: 48:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 48:56

So I I I do talk, I kind of introduced it, but you can maybe fast forward it to where the actual incident starts. I don't have the ability to fast forward on the incident. You recognize this high school district officer right here. And parents, if you have a student in the current high school district, this video is for you. And if you're a student in the current high school district where there's police on campus, this video is for you as well. And make sure you share this far and wide all over the campuses. So if you recognize this officer, please let us know. If you have any stories that involve him, we want to know about it. His last name is Calvio. He does have a twin brother, so make sure if you have a story regarding this guy, make sure it's the right one. This guy recently illegally arrested me, stuffed me in the back of the cruiser, only to be let go by the supervisors because I did nothing illegal. Sometimes I put myself on the line to keep the public safe from bad cops, but this time it was an actual school police officer. Everything that happened is explained in this video. Make sure you guys follow our YouTube channel, San Joaquin Valley Transparency, where we post local cops getting educated by yours truly. Let's go ahead and get right to it, folks.

SPEAKER_04: 50:00

First off, if you can turn off your camera, it's against the law for you to be filming an officer. Yes, it is. You can call the police department and you can file a complaint. You're more competitive. I just follow the petition. Right here, and that's my card number. Take it and leave. Or I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna wait for your backup to get it. No, you don't need to. I don't need no backup. I'm telling you right now, it's against the law for you to be filming an officer. It's in the penal code. So if you want to discuss it, I'll take you to the supervisor out here. I don't need to. Because you're speaking. Or like I said, I'm gonna put I'm gonna place you in the handcuffs and place you under arrest. So it's why are you shaking like that? Are you on drugs?

SPEAKER_05: 50:33

Is that why you're driving the recklessly the way you are?

SPEAKER_02: 50:35

Alright, folks, as promised, here's the San Walking Arrest video. And I do have an update at the end, so stick around. I think you're gonna be happy. It all started when this high school district police officer Calvillo decided the road was his own personal speedway. This dude thought he was Dom Toretto and Fast and the Furious. Let me rewind to a day before where a different cop scared the ever-living shit out of my daughter, who's a student driver, trying to get some experience at the Valley Plaza Mall parking lot in Bakersville, California. I have a short video on my channel of me complaining to a supervisor about it. She was really nice, but I don't have video proof of that one, so I'm not sure what she or anybody can do on a personal level as far as complaints go. But at least the department is on notice. So the very next day, I pick up my daughter from school. This time I'm driving down Golden State Avenue, and Officer Calvio, aka Lightning McQueen, speeds by like a bat out of hell. So I begin to follow him, trying to keep up. He makes a couple turns without signaling and also stops the car at a light across the line. Now these are all traffic infractions that pull a lot of money out of our wallets, purses, and bank accounts when we get caught. They say that in order to keep the people on the road safe, they have to ticket us. When police speed through our streets without lights and sirens, they're not just breaking policy. They're gambling with our lives and theirs. In the last decade alone, multiple people in Bakersfield have been killed in collisions involving police vehicles that were either responding without warning signals or driving at high speeds. Victims like Brandon Flores, Mario Lares, Ignacio Hernandez, Cristo Reynaga, and Edgar Rodriguez never had a chance to react because there was no visual or audio warning that a patrol car was approaching at dangerous speeds. This isn't about blaming every single officer, but about recognizing a pattern. When emergency lights and sirens aren't used the way they're supposed to be, civilians pay the price. These tragedies prove what should be obvious. Speed becomes deadly when the public isn't alerted, and failing to activate lights and sirens turns a routine response into a fatal surprise. It's not just unsafe, it's unacceptable. Now, Dom Toreto Calvio was just in a hurry to eat some Taco Bell or some shit. We don't know. I'm guessing he was on his lunch. That was his emergency. And maybe I wouldn't be so disappointed or upset if my daughter hadn't been cut off by two cops the day before, leaving her with an accelerated heartbeat and a fear that a cop could have crashed into her. She hasn't really wanted to drive much since. So Calvio turns into a residential area and parks his cruiser. Excuse me, our cruiser. Those cars belong to the taxpayers. He immediately gets agitated and angry, and the threats begin. This is where the video starts. Check this out. I'll see you at the end of the video with an update to what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_01: 53:19

Well, I'm gonna pause this real quick and we'll address this. Let me switch over here. Uh, do any of you actually take anything Sanjay says seriously? It's like watching a fish out of water. Yeah, I do. If if what he had to say was factually incorrect, not reasonable, and illogical, then I would call him out and say what you're saying doesn't make sense. It's not the law and all of that. But he doesn't say that. So I don't know what point you're trying to make, Brian Chubb, but yes, I do take what he has to say seriously because it's factually correct, it's logical, and it makes sense. So yeah, I do. Um anyway, back to the video.

SPEAKER_02: 54:09

Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_04: 54:22

Turn the camera off or I'm not gonna talk about it. No, no, let me let me get your name and badge number. Let me get your name and yes I can.

SPEAKER_02: 54:27

Let me get your name and badge number. I already got your car. I already got your car number. I already got your car number. I I need to ask you why you're speeding down the road. District 15. Why you're speeding down the road, driving recklessly?

SPEAKER_04: 54:40

I'm gonna be 10-6, uh follow to my B-boy. Copy 8, we're gonna get here if you're next door.

SPEAKER_05: 54:46

Why are you driving recklessly? Creepy. What's your name and badge number? 104 and ease that you've got a vehicle calling you to your residence.

SPEAKER_04: 54:54

Affirmative. The subject's now out here filming me. If you can start uh District 2. First off, you can turn off your camera, it's against the law for you to film an officer. No, it's not. Yes, it is. And I'm filming you right now. What's the first thing? I'm not gonna discuss it with you. Freedom of pressure. Freedom of religion, freedom of symmetry. You have no right to follow me, and it's against the law. You're driving recklessly. You can call it my chief and you can call the police department and you can file a complaint. You're more than a company. That's why I need your name and background. I just write and file the case. It's right here, and that's my car number. Take it and leave. Or leave. I'm gonna request it. No, you don't need to. I don't need no backup. I'm telling you right now, it's against the law for you to be filming an officer. It's in the penal code. So if you want to discuss it, and I'll take you to the supervisor back here. I don't need to. I'll supervisor. Okay, you need to you need to leave because you have no right to follow them. Let me get your bathroom real quick. I just told you what it is. And there's my car number. Here's my name. You got it on camera. So go ahead and get in your car and leave. I just told you. You do you know what the speed limit is on the freeway? Yeah, I do. Okay, so uh so the reason why you were speeding? Because I I know my speedometer was at 75. Do you know what your speed is? You're going 75? No. So do you know the speed limit on the freeway then? Yeah, I do. Okay, what is it? I know the speed limit. What is it? I'm not the one being questioned here. You are because you're questioning you all you want. Because you're speeding. Stop filming me. Or like I said, I'm gonna put I'm gonna place you in the handcuffs and place you under arrest. And everything you do after that in front of your daughter is gonna be on you. So it's just why are you shaking like that?

SPEAKER_05: 56:16

Are you on drugs? Is that why you're driving the recklessly the way you are? Stop, man. I haven't done anything illegal. Let's get the car and go. I just told you you are.

SPEAKER_04: 56:35

I gave you multiple opportunities. Yes, you have. I told you to stop recording me, and I gave you my name and my car, and I told you what you can think about a report. I'm not gonna debate it with you out in front of my residence. You have no right to follow me.

SPEAKER_01: 57:00

That's a good ass mic. What the hell is she using?

SPEAKER_02: 57:03

Just her iPhone.

SPEAKER_01: 57:04

God damn. I'm like, as soon as you put that out there, I can hear everything.

SPEAKER_02: 57:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 57:09

Okay. I'm watching the arm.

SPEAKER_05: 57:11

I don't call you. How am I supposed to know this is your resident? I just told you it was multiple times. And that's what I asked you to do. I'm not at your residence, I'm in the street anymore. No, I'm in a public property. And you're fucking hurting stuff. I don't care. You don't care? Stop in there. Nobody started public.

SPEAKER_02: 57:25

Alright, folks, so here's the update. I spoke to the chief and the lieutenant yesterday, and I want to say that they treated me with the utmost respect and told me the matter is being taken seriously, and it's now under investigation. They couldn't give me any more information, but I have spoken to some parents that have kids at the school where Calvio works, and he hasn't been back on campus since the incident. I'm guessing this means he's either suspended or on leave, more than likely until the investigation gets done. I actually hope that he doesn't come back because I believe he could be putting kids in danger. So after he did what he did to me, I went to the urgent care to check the damage in my shoulder, my wrists, and my ulna bone. One of the nurses said that she knew the cop. She said that him and his twin brother are extremely aggressive. That's when I decided to make sure that all the parents knew the dangers their kids faced. Now we can't go convicting his brother, right? Because he's not the one that was speeding and putting me in cuffs. But here's a couple things that I want to point out. Dom Toredo Calvio didn't want to identify by badge number, only saying, You have my name, which makes me wonder. If I would have filed a complaint against his brother, it more than likely would have been thrown out. That's concerning to me. In my opinion, he was doing his best to circumvent justice by not identifying property. In the video, you'll hear him confess to going 75 miles an hour. The speed limit on Golden State Avenue is 65 miles an hour. And that road can be extremely dangerous. There have been several folks that have crashed on that road, and some of those crashes have been deadly. That's the kind of road that you don't want to speed on. You can easily go over the side, as many have before. I also want to point out that he stopped my First Amendment right to record by telling me it was illegal to record and then threatened to arrest me. Then he made good on his threat. Check this out. When a police officer in California stops you from recording in public, they can violate two major constitutional protections at the same time. First, it's a classic First Amendment prior restraint because courts across the country, from Glick to Cuniff to Turner V Driver, shout out to Batusai, to ACLU versus Alvarez, have repeatedly held that the public has a clearly established right to record police. Second, when that unlawful restriction comes wrapped in threats, intimidation, or physical force, it becomes a Bain Act violation under California Civil Code, Section 52.1, because the officer is using coercion to interfere with the constitutional right. So when a cop says, turn the camera off or I'll arrest you, blocks your lens, pushes you back further than necessary, or uses their authority to intimidate you into not recording, that's both unconstitutional, prior restraint, and a Bain Act violation. The law is crystal clear here. Now let's talk about how aggressive he was. He put me in handcuffs, the left one was extremely tight, then he pulled my right arm up my back after I was already in cuffs. You can see my legs shake a little bit from the pain. There was no adjusting myself for a comfortable position. He was pushing me against the car, holding my right hand as far up as he could against my back. And yes, folks, I'm still feeling pain from it. Luckily, the x-rays came back and it's just a sprain. I was not resisting in any way while in cuffs. There was absolutely no reason to treat me the way he did. This guy wanted to hurt me. He wanted to make me pay for holding him accountable. And if you look closely, you can see him shove me in the back of the cruiser, still holding my right hand up, putting pressure on my wrists from the handcuffs, my wrist.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:52

Yeah, that's um I I've never been I've always been trained to hold on to the cuffs or or or the elbow. I I hate the elbow hold personally because I feel like you can lose control of them, but I've always been trained to hold the cuffs. I I don't know. Did you guys ever get trained to hold on to the wrist and chicken wing them once they're cuffed?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:10

No. I just have little on top number first and foremost, let them sit down because he wasn't pulling away or doing anything. Just let them sit down.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:18

Yeah, like there has to be helps. Yeah, there has to be some sort of um indicator or you know, he's tensing up, he's trying to pull away something to start manhandling. When they're compliant, and and here's the thing he he knows who the fuck you are, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:35

I guess he didn't know who I was, and I didn't know who he was either. You know, I spoke I spoke to a private investigator the other day and he asked me certain questions like Did you did you ever know of him? Did you know his name? Did you know where he lived? Have you ever been in his house before? I'm like, none of that, dude. I just I just wanted his name and badge number so I could file a complaint. It could have been easy. I would have been gone.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:55

So let me give you a pro tip. Don't film in the street, because a lot of cities have city ordinances about being in a sh in a roadway, blocking traffic, and that's how they can get you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:07

California law, California law just changed to where um uh jaywalking doesn't exist no more, you know, unless you're actually blocking traffic.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:16

So but yeah, traffic has to be coming.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:18

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:19

Okay, okay. So that's that's the caveat. See, in Texas where I'm at, it doesn't matter. If you're blocking the roadway, you that that's a caveat. They can get you on that one. So I always tell our community, I'm like, look, you can film, don't do it from the road. I'm not gonna bust you on it, but somebody else might go over the sidewalk, you're good to go all day. So um, yeah, just just looking out for you. But if you if it's good to go out there in Cali, then do your thing. Um But yeah, and that's the thing, is it's the state. But yeah, I I l I I do see what you're saying. Um he definitely had your your you know, he was chicken winging you, basically. So I don't know. Another way to call it look like you're stripping. But Matt, I'm gonna let you go first, buddy. What do you got?

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:00

David, where do you think this punishment should end? I mean, the guys, it's blatant violation of your constitutional rights on under color law. Um, when are we gonna start seeing like serious, serious punishment, not suspensions or what what what are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:16

Um, I mean, I don't know. Uh look, here's one thing. Um, I don't believe that we need to pay for more training, you know, to train police officers on the First Amendment, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution. Um, in reality, I think uh hiring cops with without even knowing it is kind of like hiring a um a lifeguard who doesn't know how to swim or a mechanic who doesn't know how to fix a car. It's like we don't need we don't we shouldn't we don't even have to throw any more money at this training. Uh-huh. Make them make them uh know it before they even apply for the job. At least come with some kind of knowledge, take a quiz on it. You know, and and I think uh I think if we do that, I think we will start to create some change. Um you know I don't know. I really don't know, man. I mean, as far as this personal incident with with this with this uh officer, um it would it would blow your minds, okay? The people that have reached out to me. I'm talking about people that have worked alongside him, parents. Um, this guy has a troubled past. You know, not not all officers are like this guy. You know what I mean? Um some will just say, hey man, you know, you're recording. Oh, was I speeding, man? My bad, you know, and you know, I'll you know, I'll slow it down, I'll keep it, you know. But this guy, he just took it to the extreme. And uh this guy has been violent for a long time. I have a recent video that was sent to me of him slamming like a 14-year-old special needs kid. Um, and from my understanding, you know, there's been co-workers that have tried to talk to him and say, hey, you know, just you don't have to be that aggressive, you know, and he's more along the lines of don't you ever undermine me, you know, and stuff like that. And he's extremely problematic. And and uh, you know, I kind of I didn't expect any of that, of any of that to happen. But even when I was in handcuffs, I wasn't nervous, I wasn't you know, stressed out when I was I can't wait for the body cam footage, you know, after the investigation is over, because when he opened the door, I was telling him, like, dude, you have no idea, you know, what you got yourself into, bro. Like, this is what I do. I record police and I ask questions, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:24

And yeah. Yeah, you well, you did it, you did it masterfully. Um, because like you said, you weren't you didn't get disrespectful, you didn't you you just stuck to to the norm, um, which was was great. Um, there was a question that got popped up there. I wanted to address it. Uh it was East Los Audits said, um, is there a policy saying we must sit on the floor when being detained by law enforcement? Um I believe that there was a Supreme Court ruling, and I don't know it off the top of my head, and I am not a lawyer, but I vaguely remember some training saying if it's as long as it's not an unreasonable request during a lawful detainment, then yes, they can ask you to do that. Um, or they can make you do that. Um so it again, uh it's one of those things like what do you want to argue and why you want to argue it? You know what I mean? If if somebody asks you to sit down while they're getting three more people out of your vehicle, that that makes sense, you guys. Um, one of the things I love about you, San Joaquin, is like one of the things that we I ask everybody when we first start having conversations where they're really critical about police. I got I gotta know, do you think police are necessary? And you and I had mentioned, talked about that before. You're like, they absolutely are necessary.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:49

So that's a that's a great question. And you know, I speak to the who is who of government police accountability. There's a friend of mine, his name's Jason Bassner. He's the original police the police guy. He's for years, he's had millions of followers on on Twitter, on Facebook. This guy is amazing. All right, and I've been on his podcast before. And um, he also runs a website called the Free Thought Project. This guy makes you think outside the box. You know, this guy makes you question your own, you know, your own uh, how'd I say, your own approach to all of this. Um, a lot of channels like James Freeman, they've all, you know, they all say, I love Jason. He's a big mind. He's he's a great mind. And uh Jason Bassard has invited me to his home. He's been to my home several times. Just an amazing guy to talk to, right? And your question, do we need cops? So there is a thing called statism uh versus voluntarism, right? I've been on the fence because you know, I I still I'm still kind of a statist where you know I think to myself, well, we need cops because I don't want to pay. Um, I mean, I I I don't I don't want to go out and catch bank robbers, murderers, and killers. Maybe I'm not trained for that. Maybe I just have kids that I don't I don't want to risk my life to do that or something. You know, we need cops to do a certain specific job, right? To catch real bad guys. Because there's obviously real bad guys out there. But so that that puts me in the in the category of being a statist. Somebody of a voluntarist mind thinks to themselves, like, well, we the people can do this job. We can build roads, we can do all this. We don't need government, we don't need cops telling us what to do. But I'm still at this the mindset of more along the lines of a statist. Um, but that's kind of hard as well because when um when you when you when you are a statist and you pay your taxes and you pay cops to do this job, you also gotta pay for them to do other things as well. You know, traffic stops. You know, there is that argument, you know, should we be paying or should we be getting tickets for uh victimless crimes? I know you guys have heard that before. Um, so there's like this massive argument, you know, pulling forces on both sides of where are we at and where do we need to be? Like I said, I've been on the fence for a long time, but I'm still of the mindset as I we still need cops to do certain jobs. So yeah, I still am of the mindset that we do need cops. You know, I'm not anti-police, I'm I never was. Um, and I just it's kind of difficult. That's a very, very tough question when you throw all of that into that. And that's why I asked Jason Bassett one day. We're sitting at my kitchen table and we're talking, and I was like, I have a question, bro. I was like, um, what would a voluntary society look like? And uh because it just doesn't make any sense to me, right? We're gonna have militias go out and and take care of certain things. He says, let me point you in the direction of a man. And I every time I think about this, I forget his name. Uh Dale, Dale Jones, Dale something, right? He was the he was the uh the guy who who who was he kind of started going famous on on like TikTok and Instagram where where people would point guns at him and he would just take them away, point him back and stuff like that. Like he would just make a turn real quick and point it back, and then people started making memes of this guy where they would wake up in heaven. You know, it's shit's funny, but um he said that guy, um, I don't know if it's Dale Jones or something like that. Uh I'll never when I find the guy, I'll I'll send him to you. But apparently in the Detroit area, there was a police department who was being paid to patrol a certain town, a certain neighborhood, but they weren't doing it. They were just hanging out on the outskirts, you know, and they were just never there. So that that department was disbanded. Well, to this very day, that guy led uh he's actually a real badass, right? People are making fun of this guy, but he's actually a real badass. He created a community where they're going out to stop crying, where they go out and if they see like uh a teenage girl walking down the road, they'll walk her home. You know, they'll make sure she gets home safe. Like they do things in their communities to truly help the community. And I'm like, damn, well, that's that's pretty powerful, you know. Um, so I think about that. I think about you know, government being statism, being a statist, and um, do we need government for certain things? I also think of government as contracts. Like, how are what contracts do we have with the government? We pay taxes, we go to the DMV, we pay for our driver's license. Other than that, you know, government really shouldn't be involved in our daily activities and stuff like that. Like one of the things we tell cops when we're out there is you have no authority over me unless I break the law. You know, so you have no power. I do have an issue with um the news agencies calling them the authorities because who are do who do they who do cops have authorities of? Until you break the law, I'm my I am my authority, right? I have the authority to do and say as I wish, as I please, as long as I'm not you know violating somebody else or doing something illegal. So I mean that that question kind of entails a lot, you know. But I am still I guess I could have just answered it with yeah, yeah, we still need cops, but yeah, man, I just I like a detailed, I like a well-thought out answer, man.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:19

You know, I think you did well. Um, and and and the reason I asked that question is because if if they come to the table and like, no, we don't need police. Well, you're you're so far extreme one way. I can't we we're never gonna come to the table and have a real conversation. So uh banning Matt, has that been your experience when you get somebody that's like, no, we don't need police at all? Like it that's a hard, that's a hard view to reach. That's a hard view to to to have any common ground on. So you need to arrest and face out the bad ones. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Um, and there's one quick thing that I do want to address. Um, because I I am I was an academy instructor. So um I'm of the mindset we can never like more training, more training on everything. So when we were talking about um training on the constitution, it's not that I think you need to pour more money into training on the constitution, but it definitely needs to be in the academy. But I do like your idea of it being a screening process for hiring. Um, because also one of the things that I want cops to have is a grappling background. I think cops need to have a mandatory two years of grappling because in grappling training, one, you get humbled, you learn real quick that you are not the big dog. Uh, and if you never had your ass kicked, that's about the safest way you can learn how to die multiple, multiple ways. And it really shows you where you're at in the world. And uh just like boxing, uh for some reason, uh T-Rex Arms over there likes to box. So uh stay close. Yeah, stay close. He's he's a body shot guy. You don't want to get hit by Matt's body shots. But um boxing, well, I I took boxing up as well, and uh, you know, Tyson said it best. Everybody's got a plan until they got punched in the face or whatever was hit in the mouth. But I think that that needs to be a prerequisite because getting the badge, getting the uniform does present a level of arrogance and cockiness that I think you need for the job, but at the same time, that can't be where your arrogance and cockiness comes from. It can't come from the uniform, it's got to come from confidence in training and knowing you know what you're doing. I think that's where that arrogance and cockiness comes from. Um, but uh yeah, uh Matt, Banning, you guys got anything on the subject there?

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:37

I I think one one thing that we seriously lack is prior prioritization in uh in all of our training in the academy. And I'm gonna use a kind of an uh an analogy. I'm a man of God, so everything that I believe in that that um that is in my heart and and and um has anything to do with my actions, it revolves around Jesus. So everything comes back to him and and what I do, how I act, the rules that I follow. I think that should transfer right over to the policing world where everything is about the Constitution. Like that's where everything comes back to. It it governs us, it controls us, it it serves the it's there so um that we don't violate it and it's there to make this, it's what makes this country great. I don't think that's done in the academy. I don't think it's I think it's glossed over, I don't think it's uh prioritized nearly enough as it should be. Um, that along with cherishing the public. Um, I think from all my training and experience, the public is kind of secondary. And it's not. The public is to be cherished and loved. And and I think those two things are are are what really need to be one and two, right top of every training, and and everything should point right back to it during training, throughout training, throughout your career, and continue training and and so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:57

I like that. I agree. Banning?

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:00

My whole thing, and you know, excuse my French, is is don't be a dick as a cop. I'm just being being honest, you know right, you know, right there is is is Jesus centered, and and don't call me a hypocrite for using the cuss word in that as well. But it's the whole thing of, you know, I did it for 21 years, and I've had thousands of traffic stops, and I just wasn't an ass. You know, I got I never had issues. Did did did somebody have a warrant and they were just gonna uh fight no matter what? Sure. Uh and just like when I watched you getting handcuffed, I mean, I never once pushed somebody up against a car. I mean, once I grab something, it doesn't go away. So I can grab it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:42

He doesn't know how big you are, by the way. Banning is not that I began to 320 pounds of fights bulls.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:49

But but it it's just it's just the fact of the training. We we we can we can we can sit here and blame all this on training, but it comes from the top down. And I've got literally thousands of chiefs and elected sheriffs as friends, and they know I don't mind saying that. It's not gonna bother me. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. You are absolutely responsible as a chief and a sheriff for every single person under the roof of that police department or sheriff's office or sheriff's department, whatever you're gonna call it in your state. For every frigging peace officer that you have, you are 100% accountable. And if you can't have the training to where each and every one of your friggin' officers, dispatchers, corrections, detectives, everybody are not in line and not doing the training, let them go. Get somebody in there that will. Period. You've got to have that training. You've got to be accountable for it. I don't care if you've got two men at your department, one man, all the way up to several thousand. You have got to do that, period. And 21 years, man, and I just wasn't an ass. I I think I've asked two people. I I tried to I try to pay attention to these comments, but they come so fast, and I'm just getting older. But people ask, you know, the laws of of sitting down and crossing your legs. I think I've had two people sit down, um, and that's right before my backup arrived, and I was unloading a full automatic weapon uh that I saw in the passenger seat, and they complied. I asked it as a question, I didn't do it as a demand, and they listened. Um just don't be an ass. I mean, that's just my advice to the cops out there. Don't be an ass. And and you're gonna get a lot more of what you call compliance out of what you need done so you can go home at the end of the night, and so can the people that you're dealing with go home at the end of the night, or whatever it is that needs to be done, period.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:27

I've never had anybody actually argue sitting down. If I ask them to sit, hey, have a seat. Nobody's ever been like, Do I have to? No one's ever done that, I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:38

It's it's how you compose yourself as a professional, too. You're not representing yourself, you're representing that entire city or county that has hired you to work. And if you can't be a freaking professional, go to Walmart, go work, go work stock on the shelves, go work something else. It's a respectable job, go do something else.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:55

Yeah. Um, okay, so my next question that I wanted to ask you, sir, is um there is there's a bunch of auditors out there now. Okay. And um it's probably why it's hard for me because I got in the game kind of late with auditors and seeing what they're all about. Um uh I've noticed amongst a lot of them, or that I've heard, there's kind of like these three different tiers. There seems to be those that the righteous cause. I I feel like you're one of those. Um, we've had Long Island audit on here. I feel like he's one of those. Um James, is it James Gray? I always I don't remember. Jeff Gray. Jeff Gray. Jeff Gray. I always call him James. Jeff Gray, another one. Um, and then you get some. I just learned about this, so please don't make fun of me, guys. I just learned about this. You got some that actually go out and they call the cops on themselves. So there's those guys, and then there's kind of like uh, you know, the ones that are out there that are simply just trying to be sensational and and and and nutty. Now, has that been your experience? What have you seen? I I feel like the community would be stronger if they united versus having these differences. And what has been your opinion on that?

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:18

Um, that's a great question. Uh, shout out to Jeff Gray, honor your oath. He a lot of folks refer to him as the godfather of First Amendment auditing. He Oh, is he? No, well, uh, it's actually a man named Carlos Miller. He actually coined the term. He used to be with Pinnock News, for not photography is not a crime. Um, I've kind of been around, you know, since the very beginning. They say that I'm kind of like one of the first wave of auditors that was out there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:40

Yeah, they told me you were OG. Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:42

Yeah, there's only like a handful of auditors that were before me. Jeff Gray was one of them. Um, but I I once gave him the credit for for coining the term, but he reached out to me and he said, no, it wasn't me, it was Carlos Miller, but I kind of ran with it. Um, I think me personally, um, I try to keep the original premise of what a First Amendment audit is or was, um, and that was to go and just ask questions with your camera, go to these installations, you know, arrive on scene with the camera and just observe. And um, and but I guess people decided to start doing all kinds of different stuff where they're actually recording people eating and just kind of try to, you know, get a rise out of the common folks. And to me, I was like, I don't really want to talk bad about anybody personally. Um, I just want to say like that kind of wasn't my thing. I for me, I I felt like I was gonna keep the original premise from day one up until now. And uh, and you know, I I don't, I don't, like I said, I don't want to, I don't want to badmouth anyone, but there are a lot of people that do a lot of dumb shit, you know, um, just like in the in police officers, that's why you guys have to call out, you know, cops and their bad actions. Um, same thing, you know, we have to call out their actions as well as some of the things that they do. Um, and and I I I I just, you know, calling the cops on yourself, that to me is like it just really didn't make sense, you know. Um going and recording private businesses to get a rise out of people, that didn't really make sense to me. So I was just gonna kind of keep the original premise, like I said. Um, but I do also believe that auditing has uh advanced, you know, has we have gotten better with what we do. We're we're getting better at uh record requests. There's a channel, shout out to audit them, um, who's probably the best at going out and asking for records and and getting crazy videos of you know this them not wanting to give you records. There was another channel out of uh Washington doing the same thing, a lot of records requests. Even myself, I do record requests now, and I never used to do that before. So we're the the the game is ever changing, maybe it's it's it's expanding, it's getting bigger. People are gonna do some dumb shit, and people are gonna do some really good stuff. And um, and I try to focus on the good stuff, uh, keeping my original premise as well of going to the government installations, asking questions. Now we're going to city council meetings, now we're speaking up. I I went and spoke in Arving, California against the flock camera systems, and um and I was nervous. I was I'm just like my very first audit video, you could tell my voice was nervous. And even though I've been doing arting for a long time, when I went to go speak at the city council meeting for my very first time, I was nervous. And I told a good friend of mine who's actually in here today. Um, his channel's called We Got a Call.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:28

Um, one time I told him I just hit him up on there. Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:31

Yeah, he's he's amazing. He's he's a really good friend of mine, made in America as well. A lot of a lot of good solid people in your angry vet. Love all you guys, man. Cody high high roller, thank you all for being here. Um, yeah, um what was I what was I going with this?

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:46

Um being nervous, talking in front of all the stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:49

Yeah, right. Thank you. Um, I said, you know, in my first video, I was a coward, bro. You can tell. And he was like, no. He's all a coward is when you're afraid to do something and you don't do it. He's all that was bravery. He's all you were afraid and you still did it. And and okay, you know, we all get better at it. You know, I've spoken at a city council meeting after that, and I wasn't, you know, as nervous. But, you know, the more we practice these things, the less nervous we become, you know, the braver we become, and the better we get at it. Even myself, I've done a lot of dumb shit along the way. I there's videos out there that are now private because it's embarrassing. You know, I don't like seeing myself like that. So I try to improve along the way and just try to keep the original premise. Um, yeah, I don't know if that answers your question.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:35

I mean, yeah, no, that's that's great. That's great. Um, yeah, because what um I actually got some of these questions I've been asking you from people in our community that are they love you guys, they love everything that you guys do. And they've, you know, Mr. Billfold's one of them. I got like most of the stuff that I'm asking you tonight is is mostly from him because uh I love using my audience because they have a perspective that me, Matt, and Banning can't have. We're inside of law enforcement. It's going to be very hard for us to have the mindset of somebody outside of law enforcement. Yeah, we have opinions that are against the norm, but if we're going to be honest with ourselves, we're still we're cops. And our mind, the way we think of things is always going to be slightly different. And I want people that are outside of law enforcement. I want them to keep me humble, to keep me even, Keel. Um, I grew up in Flint, Michigan. I I didn't tell you this, but um, it's not very uh it's not famously known for being pro-cop. We'll just put it that way. Uh don't drink the water. Um, and uh Flint is it's a it's a hard area. So shout out to all my Flintstone thugs out there. Uh Dayton family, what's up? But um yeah, it's uh it's one of those things that I want to get these types of questions from people that really want to know um that aren't cops. So a lot of stuff we're asking is from them. And yeah, you're definitely hitting the nail on the head. So I I didn't want to put you in an awkward position either with your fellow auditors and stuff like that. But um somebody had mentioned earlier that even the bad ones, so I'll put that in air quotes, even the bad ones are still flexing their First Amendment rights, and that's correct. So I I want to make it clear kind of how my position is. There's auditors that drive me up the fucking wall. I'm like, I don't like the way you do it, I hate it, but goddamn, is it a beautiful thing to watch because you get to do it. So that is again, I'm an optimistic person. That's just how I'm wired. I'm stupid that way. Um, it is a fatal flaw of mine, I know it. But that if if I were to look at anybody that gets irritated and mad about First Amendment auditors and gets upset and calls them frauds, like try to do that in another country. Try to do that anywhere else. And they'll rip it. And that is why one of the things I do on my channel, and if you did any research, you may see some videos where it says, so you think cops do it better in other countries. Because that's often thing that gets put on us. Well, the you should be like Japan cops because they all have black belts in judo. You should do it like these cops because they don't carry guns and da da da da da. And I'm like, yeah, but there's there's things that they do and don't do that you're not aware of. There's a lot of freedoms that you have over here. If you tried that there, just just saying something on social media could get you put in jail. So, yes, there are better things that they do. That doesn't mean there are better cops across the whole. We we got work to do here. Don't get me wrong. And I'm not trying to say we don't. I wouldn't call out bad cops if I if we had nothing to do. Um but I think one of the ways we bridge the gap with guys like you is one, we do this. How often do cops do this? They don't. We need to be working together because I think what you do and the way you do it is a beautiful thing. And it First Amendment auditors has firsthand affected my career because I seen the training change. I saw that our because where I'm at, our training is like we're very progressive, we're very way ahead of the curve on a lot of things. They saw this coming and they were like, we need to address it now before it becomes a thing here. And we did. And I'm glad they did, because I would have failed, I would have failed it. I don't I don't know if you would have failed it, Matt. I'm being honest, I would have failed it because I'd have been like, oh, you you can't film in that building, you can't film their computer screens like I would have thought that was illegal. I needed the training. First Amendment auditors got me that training, so thank you. I mean, honestly, that that that's that's what happened. You guys exposed a gap in training, and the departments that took it serious, they don't have those issues as much. Everybody's susceptible to it. You always have a couple idiots that don't pay attention in class or whatever, but they get weeded out pretty easy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:29:03

If you don't mind me asking, David, how many times have you been in handcuffs doing this over the years?

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:07

Oh, that's a good question. I've been arrested. Well, this is actually my third time. I beat the first two cases. One in Arizona, they put out a warrant for my arrest. Um, and uh like six months later, after the video was already posted for trespassing, and uh and on my second court date in Arizona, I was found guilty. So um, yeah, I mean, it's I guess this would be like my oh I mean third time in handcuffs, you know, since I started auditing, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:29:37

And see, that the the the fact that you go out there and and and put your freedom on the line to uh disseminate truth and and hold cops accountable. Like I I've always I've just been in awe since day one. Like you guys are like heroes to me. Like who who you very few people have the balls to do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's just Sean was on here saying how many he's been arrested a dozen times, and like man, that that's people don't talk like that's a small deal. Being arrested is a huge deal. And the fact that you're willing to go out there and do it, like, dude, my my hat's off to you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:12

Hey, it's it's it's real humbling. So so thank you guys, thank you, Matt. Um I'll I'll I'll give I'll give a quick tip of what I do and maybe why I haven't been arrested as many times as some of these other guys. When I walk up and I'm and I'm recording, I don't really don't look at them in the eyes. I kind of look at them through my phone, kind of smiling, giggling, laughing, talking to them. I also have a certain demeanor when I come up, non-aggressive, um, but I'm still stern. You know what I mean? I'm non-aggressive, but I'm stern. Like, what's up, man? How you doing today? You know what I mean? Stuff like that. Um, you doing all right, cool, man. You know, or I'll just give them a quick thumbs up or like a quick what's up, man, you know, just recording, like, what's up? You know, and they're just like a lot of them, maybe they don't like what I'm doing, but they see the way I do it and right away. And I think by me looking at my camera instead of their eyes, sometimes it makes them think twice about arresting me. I think I think that has saved my ass numerous times. So maybe that's a tip for anybody who does, you know, want to record in the future. Um, I try to give tips along the way on my channel of what to do. Also, you don't know you don't have to take every arrest. You know, I've been told by cops like back up at least 10 feet. And I'm like, if I don't, are you gonna arrest me? I kind of put it on them, you know, and if they say, Yeah, you I'm gonna take you to jail, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna back up a little bit, you know. But it I understand it has to be reasonable. So there really in in the in the Supreme Court, there is no stay, uh there is no set distance. It has to be kind of reasonable. So I have had cops tell me to go across the street, and I'm like, that's unreasonable. I'm not doing it. You know, so I kind of you know, I have to kind of challenge them on that sometimes. Um but yeah, man, I mean it's it's uh it's it's kind of tough, man. You know, it's it's still nerve-wracking. Um the the the uh the adrenaline rush, it it's always there. Whenever at every every police encounter, you never know how the officer's gonna um uh act with me. So I'm just like sometimes I'm just like, here we go, let's go. You know, and I just kind of try to kind of creep in slowly and just hey man, like and uh so I've had a lot of lot of interactions where um I think I kind of diffuse, you know, a hot-headed cop sometimes. There was one cop uh recently who uh I was speaking to, really good attitude. Uh his last name was Alexander, uh Bakersville Police. Um one time one of his one of the other officers. Was trying to bully me. And he kind of tapped him on the arm and he's like, leave Malone, bro. And you could see the copy just looked at him and then looked at me again. He's just like just kind of walked away. And I was like, that's cool. You know, that's really cool. A lot of the a lot of these guys do know who I am now. All of the agencies here know who I am. A lot of them see me. I can't go anywhere without being recognized. And I also want to touch um, based on one of the things that you said about jujitsu. Um, my son, uh, my oldest son, he trains jujitsu and he actually competes. He does very well. Um he's also my grandson's wrestling uh wrestling coach.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:33

If you don't mind me asking, do you know what schools he goes to? Like who's his instructors or what lineage he's in?

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:39

Um I know he goes to different a couple different ones. I know uh um Rio Bravo, Jiu Jitsu out here in Bakersfield.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:50

There's a there's a couple other ones that he goes to. Um he likes to roll with a lot of guys. Um and uh so shout out to my friend Rice Crispy who's on here. He uh invited me and my family to go to um Colorado, spend time with him. And we talked to a couple officers, and one of them was talking about I think he said he was a blue belt in jiu-jitsu, and uh and how he believes it's important. My son was like, because I guess my son one of the questions he likes to ask is do you believe officers should you know learn jiu-jitsu? And uh the office the officer was like, Yes, as a matter of fact, I I'm a blue belt, and and my son was like, that's awesome. So we had a really good conversation with that. And uh so yeah, man, I agree. I think uh all police officers should have some jujitsu training. Um, I think it's important. Um, and and it is, it's it's there's a lot of discipline that's involved in there in that as well, you know, um certain type of discipline. You know, I I've been to I've been to uh uh a bar where there's raider fans, okay? And everybody at the day it's fucked, it's fighting. But I've been to I've been to bars or places where they're showing the fights, and you bump into somebody and you're like, uh, I'm sorry, man. I apologize and like, oh no, it's good, man. You know, pat you on the back and you know, no, you're good, bro. You're good. There's a lot of there seems to be a certain type of discipline that comes with this type of stuff, with training and being like involved in the fight world. You don't have to prove yourself all the time. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:18

So one of the things, one of the things that I like to say is that when you're trained, especially in grappling, this is this is one of the and and Matt will probably attest to this for the boxing world as well. When you're trained, you have a level of confidence. When you're confident, your hesitation goes down. So being confident, less hesitant, equals safer all around. And what I and this really throws people off when I say that, but if an officer has to throw a quick punch for a one and done, I punch him, he he stumbles, does whatever, but I can move in and I can cuff, that is way better than a hesitant officer who is not trained and then goes to every fucking tool on his Batman belt and ends up shooting a motherfucker because they were not trained well enough. They were hesitant, and then they end up going to a higher use of force. Now it never looks good, violence never looks good, but if Matt throws a jab and stuns them real quick, moves in and cuffs them, that's way better than getting, you know, some dumbass that didn't take his training serious and now he's trying to tase and that didn't work, and then he moves in and then he he gets tired because he's not fit and then he switches over to a gun. So, yes, exactly what you're saying. When you have that training, you tend and Matt, you tell me like how many uses of force you really get into? That's that's it, none. I I've been doing jujitsu since 06. Before that, I was doing judo. Before that, I was doing don't laugh, but show to Con karate, which is like a kid thing. But um, but and then I got into boxing like four or five years ago. So it was kind of my more recent thing that I did. But I do all this stuff, so if I got in use of force, I was ready. But I did all this training and it gave me a level of confidence in some sort of aura. And you tell me because you're you're around your your son that does it, and and the people that are there, they have an aura about them. You're like, I wouldn't fuck with this guy. I I mean, I know I know he trains, but if you see them out and about, there's just something about people that train. That's why you never hear about MMA guys getting into big brawls, hardly ever, unless they get really punch drunk like Matt. But you know, sorry, I pick on Matt a lot. Always messing with me, man. Because I'm scared guys, it's my only defense mechanism.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:31

It does in all seriousness, it it takes away your fear, like you you know and uh someone who's not afraid is is a calmer person, yes, and that that goes hand in hand with police work, and let along with social skills and be able to esc or de-escalate everything. It's it's I've I've I could count on one hand in all these years how many times I've had to use like actual force.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:54

Every use of school with people, yes, every use of force I've really gotten into isn't it isn't me versus some person, it's they were already fighting with another officer and I came in to help. That's usually how it would go for me. Um, but you know, and then you got guys like Banning who fucking wrestles cows for a living and nobody messes with them.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:14

Well, let me just shout at this because we you know I'm a big harper on training. Everybody else on our panel is is training. However, let's do a big shout out to the moms and dads, or even ones that have lack thereof of the other partner that still whip their kids' ass when they have to, when they act out. Right. I'm straight up gonna put that out there. My parents did not put up with my bullshit as a young child and put me in line. I had an air, you know, Eric and I can go back and forth in the military. I was in the Marines myself. My father was uh an officer. But anytime I got out of line as a child, six, seven years old, I knew when that belt came off, I did something. I didn't listen, something went on. So the parents out there, that is a big line. I don't care if you're a suspect, a victim, a cop, an auditor, whatever you are, you are a product, more than likely, of what came out when you grew up. Now, you can get better if you came from a crap household. You may have somebody that fills in those slots that are amazing men and women out there that become stepdads, stepmoms, people to church, whatever. But those people that bring you to that level, those are usually people that aren't friggin' assholes. And excuse my French guys, I I apologize. But we do have a parenting issue. We have a copy. There's so many issues going on, but thank you to those parents out there that truly pay attention to what your what your kids are going through and you correct that stuff before they come out into society.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:51

I I tend to agree with that. I think parenting is a is a great way to start cutting off the pass of a lot of the issues that we deal with out here. Um kind of like what Matt's got going on. He's Matt's nonprofit. Um, I'm not sure if a lot of you guys are familiar, but he's he's doing some great things with some troubled youth that um you know don't necessarily have the parents right there with them, or you know, like my mom. She she had to work, um, and she had to raise me by herself for a while. And you know, it's hard to be a parent while your kid is home by themselves or doing whatever and stuff like that. So uh I I don't want to I don't want parents to feel bad about their situations because there are some parents that are stuck in a situation that's really hard. But um some of the stuff like that Matt's doing out there, it's just it's you know, I I don't know what your uh religious affiliates are or anything like that, but you know, I do believe God's presence is in what Matt's doing, and I really I really love you for that, brother. I love what you guys got going out there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:53

I gotta send, I gotta send you a video. We we I brought all my daughters out and we we took uh Thanksgiving food all to the neighborhood yesterday. Wow, it's awesome. Yeah, we we had a van full, we were out there all day. Oh see some of the footage is but it's pretty cool. My little ones out there today going into the projects. Uh it helps them um have a particular like like uh appreciate yeah like for helping and the the value of helping people because it was all smiles, they didn't want to stop. We ran out of food, but they didn't want to stop, so that was beautiful stuff yesterday.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:24

I love it, I love it. I love that type of thing. Um, but yeah, uh let me think. If there was I let me I want to make sure that uh you know, again, I really like our audience, and um I want to make sure that I covered the questions that uh my buddy wanted us to ask that is uh not a cop. It looks like we covered the majority of what we were looking for out of that. So cool.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:49

Um let me let me Eric, let me I I just covering you know Made America's asked several times. I want to know two cops' opinion on muting a body body worn camera. That's come across. Sorry. I'm sorry, I didn't see it. Uh it's I I have a major problem with it. I I was an officer for many, many years of my life before I got into the supervisory role. Um, I have never and I was a body worn camera instructor when the body worn camera came out. Um, did I know how to mute a mic? Absolutely. Could I teach it? Yes. Did I teach it? No. Was it my format on uh what I could do as an instructor? Absolutely. So everybody on my shift didn't know how, unless they looked it up themselves, on how to mute a body camera. If you are called by the general public or you initiate a call for service as a peace officer, I believe during that call the entire time, your your visual and your audio cues uh do not need to be muted or cut off. And uh I only had a couple instances to where I had to investigate and look at, but typically it was a battery going dead, which is also an issue that we had to train on, um, or something else. One of my guys did mute when he got a call from his wife. Uh further investigation revealed because the the dash camera picked up that audio, um, she was pregnant. There were some issues going on, so I understand why he did it. Uh we we just spoke on hey, next time let's take that call after we get done with this priority one call because it was a very serious call that we were on as soon as we get done, or come get me or get somebody else. Hey, I got a personal issue going on. They need to be cut from the call. Once they cut and bait and they've cut and cleared from that call, handle your personal business. Uh but while we're on this call, all that stuff is is held to the fire and it can be called into court. That's that's Benny's opinion on it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:38

So it was, I'm sorry, I didn't hear the beginning part of the question, but is was it our stance on muting cameras?

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:43

I like if if an officer would take their physical fingers, get down here and mute their whatever body camera manufacturer that they have uh while they're on a call for service. That's what the question is, I believe.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:54

Okay, so I'll give you um I'll give you what my initial thought on body cameras being muted was. My initial thought on muting body cameras, I was like, well, it makes sense that there's times that you should mute it. Like if I'm in taking a statement at a hospital and there's you know sensitive information or the doctors coming in and talking and all this stuff. And that was kind of my initial stance on that. I was like, that's so cops need to have the ability to mute that. I have since changed that opinion because of our community. We have redaction teams for a reason. So now I am of the opinion we shouldn't mute it ever. Let the redaction team earn their money, do what they're supposed to do. We should not be muting. That damn thing needs to be recording the whole time during a call. And I think the standard should be that I do think cops need to have the ability to turn their camera on and off. One, because the cameras don't last the whole damn shift if they're recording the whole time anyway. You don't want to see me going to the bathroom. I don't want redaction team seeing me go to the bathroom. There's so there's there are reasons, you know, to turn your camera off. If I'm eating my lunch in the sector, whatever it is, I don't like I don't need my camera running. So um that's what I believe on that. But if I get dispatched to a call, the minute I accept that call, I should hit, you know, accept on the computer or over the radio, and then that camera comes on, or vice versa. I turn it on, okay. I'm about to accept this call. Boom. And that camera does not turn off until I am done with the call. When I get on dispatch or if I get on my computer and go, all right, show me, show me back out, uh, available for service. And um, that's that's how I view it. I don't think we should be shutting the the camera on mute ever. Let the redaction team earn their money. So, Matt, what's your thoughts, buddy?

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:41

I totally agree. There shouldn't even be a mute button on there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:44

Yeah, yeah. Mr. Billfold gave me some shit. He's like, Axon should be held liable for putting a mute button. I'm like, bro, it's a private business. You can't tell a private business what to do.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:54

However, anybody can be civilly liable if they fall under a vendor for law enforcement. So you can't, you know, it I get it. And so I get Bill Bill Fold's comment on that. Um, because like I said, I've had one or two in 21 years, and I think that's a pretty good record. Yeah. You know, and it's but I've heard I I I get what these people were saying on the comments.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:14

Yeah. And if we could only get, if we could only get corrections officers, judges, prosecutors, uh whom I'm missing, all these motherfuckers need to be wearing body cameras. If we're listening cops, we're gonna be the we're gonna be the punching bag. I get it. We're the we are the front of justice. That's it, we're the pawns. That's what really what we are. If we're gonna be honest, we're the front face of every bad policy, bad law, whatever it is. We are the guys. We're we're never there on somebody's best day. We're there on their worst day. So we're the punching bag. That's fine. We signed up for that. But damn it, the lot of these people are the fodder for, they're not wearing body cameras. They're not, they're not being checked and balanced like they should. They're, you know, the prosecutors that let some of these, you know, felons that have got 40, 50. Look at that poor woman from the Ukraine that came over and got stabbed to death on that bus. And that dude had been arrested 48, 58 times or some crazy number. Them prosecutors aren't getting it. Ain't nobody going back, looking at the cases and seeing how they decided what they decided. And judges, don't get me started on judges. That's been a new project of mine. It's finding these judges' rulings are like, I don't like what you're wearing. Shut up, get out of my courtroom. And I'm just like, how is that a is that a law? Like, what is this a feelings thing that we're doing? You don't like the way that oh my god, somebody showed me this Siberian tiger recently. Have you ever seen that dude? Yeah, he's holy shit. I the video that I watched, this man is in court and he is going off on the judge, and I'm sitting there going, I'm I like my heart's racing for him because I'm like, oh my god, judges are so popular. Like, don't fuck with a judge. That's the last person I would ever screw with. What is the guy? What does he do? Oh my god. Is he an attorney?

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:09

Cop cop watches already bro.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:12

This guy got started from like they like raided his house on accident wrong in improperly. Or it wasn't him, they were looking for somebody else. And they made this guy go to court. And bro, they they it was like waking up John Wick. It was like waking up John Wick. That is literally what they did. I will share you the videos that Mr. Billfold sent me. It is insane. This guy went off on the judge, and there was nothing the judge could say because he was factually correct. All the shit he was saying was right. It was like um, remember that movie Law Abiding Citizen?

SPEAKER_07: 1:48:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:45

When he was like, he's like, I string along some a bunch of uh case law and you follow it like a dog or like a bitch in heat. Like that's that's basically what this dude does. It was insane. So yeah. Um but anyway, let me get back to our guest. I'm sorry. San Juan.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:04

Oh man, this is yeah, it's important.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:05

This is this fun stuff for us. But um, I want to get to the comments. Do you got anybody in the chats that you wanted to uh get on there? Let me know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:14

There there's a woman, Susan Bassie, who was in here earlier. Um, she she works with me a lot. She is in uh Northern California and uh up there in that area, but she does like a lot of family law, so she's deals a lot with like judging. She's discovered that there's a lot of private judging going on out here. There's a lot of uh, you know, there's a lot of people that do a lot of work. For instance, the guy that just donated uh power of the people, his name's Cameron Wilson. He does a lot of stuff pro se. He's amazing as well. Um, you know, Josh, shout out to Joshua Martinez. Many years ago, this guy was challenged the judge in court as well. Um, you know, and and a lot of people, like I said, this these things are progressing, the people are getting smarter at this and questioning authority and uh questioning these things. And you're right, judges need to be held accountable as well. Yep, you know, they have what's called absolute immunity, you know, and uh and so so does the DA and even the public defenders, you know, and and there's just a lot of people doing a lot of things. I also want to give a shout out to my three sons. My oldest son, uh David Jr., who does the jujitsu, he started a channel, he was doing this as well. Uh my other son, Nikki, he just had a baby. So now I'm a grandpa of three now, which is amazing. And my son, who my thank you guys, my son Nate Skates, 282, who was just in here, he actually started recording with me in 2017. He was 14 years old when he first came out with me. He's already an adult, he's 20, 21, 22, I think. Um, he's he's already an adult now. And you know, one of the things I told my boys is I really don't, I would really want them to live their lives and do other stuff as well, get jobs, you know, don't spend your life doing what I'm doing because this is grown folk business. Yeah, well, I mean, this this takes a lot out of you, you know. This can take a lot out of you as well. Continue to see videos that piss you off. Like Matt said, he wanted to kick the screen. Um, these these things kind of take a lot out of you as well. You know, you have to be a certain kind of peep person to continue to watch this stuff and to continue okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:18

So hold on, let's let's discuss this part right here because I think and and Matt and Banning and San Juan, you let me let me know if you guys are kind of on the same board with me here. For what y'all do, I think it takes that life experience to do it, to do it right. Because one of the things that I worry about with the younger generation is seeing guys like you and they're like, I can fucking do that. Can you? Can you? And again, I'm not trying to step on your freedom to do so. You're a grown man, you 18 or older, go to town. But I I think there comes something with that with the the age and the experience. What's your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:59

I just shared a video on my channel from a channel called Wichita Audits, and that video is going viral. Um, and this guy is young and he's really good. And he put a judge in check in the hallway because the judge was trying to extend his authority, his power to the hallway, and he's like, This is my courtroom. He's like, No, that's your courtroom. This is a hallway. And the there was cops there almost ready to arrest him, and he kept telling the cops, like, all you gotta do is say I'll be arrested and I'll leave. He's like, You guys don't want to do it. You got if you guys don't say it, I'm not leaving. So the judge ended up getting owned. He walked back in, left, and it was, it's, it's, I'm, I was embarrassed for the judge. Okay, I'm like, wow, I've never seen anything like it. Um, and he's young, from my understanding. He's like, I don't know if he's 18 or something like that, but he's really young. There was there's a there's a story of a man, uh, a young, a 17-year-old out of New York. He was a really young auditor. Nobody really knows about this because his videos were all put on private, and he was actually killed by um several different, I think three different agencies out of New York. Onondaga, New York, uh Onondaga County, I think, or something like that, and some other departments. They knew who he was. Um, he was a 17-year-old auditor. He was really good. I did speak to him a couple times, and then um and then next thing you know, he started getting targeted and harassed by the departments out there. He ended up putting his videos on private, and then he ended up getting shot and killed. I guess his mom called the cops on him and and even told him that he had an airsoft gun. But when the cops were out there, um and they've kind of followed him like into through the snow and into like a wooded area, just a whole bunch of shots rang out. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, from everywhere, and they killed the poor kid. Um, not very many people know about the story. I did do a live stream about this probably about four years ago. Um, that live stream went viral, but not very many people know about Judson album. Rest in peace, Judson album. But he was a young auditor that actually got killed by by police.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:08

We we did share one really young one. Um, he was doing a post office. Do you remember that one, guys? We did one where he was in a post office.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:16

Oh, when the the cop actually came in and did it the right thing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:19

Yeah, the the cop came in and um the one cop was like screwing it, or it wasn't the cop that was screwing it up, but the the people inside, the post office itself was screwing it up really bad. And uh, this officer came in. I mean, if I were to give an example of how I am in police work, this guy was the epitome of how I behave in police work. Um, I don't know that I'd be nearly as articulate or as knowledgeable as him. I'm not putting myself on that pedestal, but my demeanor is like his. I'm just always a happy guy, pretty much. And uh that's how this guy was. It was really cool to watch. And we we shared that because the young, very, very young auditor, he was right. He was nailing it. And um, that's great. But again, like I say, you know, I'm looking at it from a thing of experience. I the whole reason we do this channel, guys, is it's education. We're trying to improve things all around. We're trying to improve things with law enforcement, we're trying to improve things with citizens because, like we said, the those post office employees were wrong. They didn't know. But this officer came in and he used that opportunity to educate and and not violate anybody's right. It was great, it was a great video, and we think it's very important on two cops, one donut to share good videos and bad videos. I we need, and this is a hard part for people that are you know on that kind of the they don't like cops crowd, share the good ones so they we have examples of cops doing well. We want we want to inspire the right people to do the job. If we if we can agree that cops need to be here, let's inspire the right people to do the police work. And so that's why I think it's important to share the good stuff. Um and and and call out the bad. Share the good, explain why it's good, and and hope that encourages better training down the road for other places.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:08

So I was told a long time ago to not share the good videos because they don't go viral and stuff like that. But I there's a reason why I put transparency in my channel name. I wanted to highlight the good and the bad. I wanted there to be an example for how to behave, how to approach this, you know. Um, and many in many of my videos where I, you know, highlight other people's videos as well. Because another thing that I started doing uh early on as well is I realized that um it it was important to kind of encourage people to pick up a camera and record and and uh ask questions and start their channels, and I would give you a shout-out and help your channels grow. I'm known to help small channels grow as well. So I kinda did that um from the beginning. But I one of the things that I did was um from the very beginning is highlight the good interactions as well. And sure, those videos tank, that's fine. It was never about the clicks and the views for me. It was always about getting my point across, you know, what I want to present to the people. You know, if there's a a cop who's like, hey man, you know, you have a First Amendment right, you know, you you're you're allowed to do this, and yeah, man, you know, I don't have any issues with you. That's what I want to show as well, because I want these other cops who have a certain, not you guys, but these other cops who have an ego or whatnot and want to violate rights or whatnot, to have an example of how to present. And I think by doing that as well, along the way, I think that's actually helped a lot of cops. And of the question that I ask, I ask every officer that I encountered, um, if they know the First Amendment, the five fundamental freedoms of the First Amendment. And uh none of them could ever answer it. And uh recently, probably about uh about nine months ago, there was uh an officer here in Bakersfield. I asked him, and he was like, Yeah, he's a speech, press, religion, assembly, and petition. And then he says, uh, and I said, Where did you learn it from the academy or from my channel? And he said, Are you San Joaquin? And I was like, Yeah, he's a kind of pointed at me and I was like, Yeah, and I was walking away. I was walking away, I was like, I told you guys. I was like, I told you guys, I was like, you know, I'm over here teaching the cops' name, paying me, you know, but yeah, it's it's it's nice, you know. In Sacramento, I had a couple different cops recognize me, and that's like that's like a five-hour drive from here. And uh, and Sacramento is the capital of California, right? And uh there was one officer that pulled up and he's like, Are you guys with San Joaquin? And I was like, That's him. And he was like, Hey. And so there was another cop um who we were trying to get uh some complaint forms at a police department. Um, before I started doing records requests, one of the things I would ask for is a complaint form. Um we're not necessarily trying to file a complaint on someone, but um one cop came in there with the attitude and he was a supervisor. And uh he was just like, Oh, I know what you're doing, and this and that. And I'm like, whatever, dude. He kind of did the walk of shame. But another officer that I that I was talking to, um, he came in and he was like, Yeah, man, no, I watch your videos and I'll go in there and I'll try to get a uh um I'll try to get a complaint form. And then uh he was like, Yeah, there's a couple channels that I watch. I watch San Joaquin Valley Transparency and I kind of waved my hand and he was like, That's you, and I was like, Yeah, he's like, Yeah, man, it's nice to meet you. And I'm like, Thank you, bro. So, you know, it's uh I think by showing the good as well, we'll also make cops be like, you know, I can respect this guy's work, I can appreciate what he's doing, you know. I can respect the First Amendment. This guy is teaching it to me, or it's not making me hate it. You know, it's like I think that's a that's a powerful tool that we can use is to highlight the good and the bad. And you know, that's kind of what I've been trying to do from the getting.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:56

I agree. It may not look as sexy. I get it. It's not as fun. We want to see, we want to see people screw up. That's what gets the clicks and the likes. We know it. Um, but damn it, I'm I'm a positive guy, I'm an optimistic guy. I like seeing when cops succeed. I like seeing when anybody succeeds. I love it. I think that's great stuff. We need to share that. We need to we need to raise that up, elevate that type of behavior, you know. Um, you know, look at Matt, for instance. Look at all the protein that guy's on. Look how successful the muscles are. I just sit there, sit there in awe, buddy. I'm proud of you.

SPEAKER_03: 2:00:37

It's it's it's backwards for me, even though when I do post the the good ones, they do the best on my page, actually. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 2:00:45

Well, you don't do it that often. That's probably why. Yeah, you don't do it that often, like you're we've all got our own shtick, like you know, and Matt Shtick was you know, hard nosed, calling it out, seeing the bullshit, and that's what he did. And you know, when he does find the inspiring ones and he feels inspired to talk about it, I I see why that that comes up. Now, for me, I was I don't want to say I was the exact opposite, but I did show a lot more positive than I did negative. And because I started showing the negative, my algorithms changed and I started seeing more. I'm like, oh shit, this is more of a problem than I anticipated. Oh, my computer's doing weird things.

SPEAKER_03: 2:01:24

Yeah, I just started off just commenting on what people sent me, and this is what people were sending me.

SPEAKER_01: 2:01:29

So yeah, and and now, yeah, that's the other thing is like now I can't even keep up.

SPEAKER_03: 2:01:35

I didn't even know what I was doing doing that. I'm standing in my closet just with with with iMovie and no clue. I didn't know the etiquette, the tact, I had no clue. Started putting stuff out.

SPEAKER_01: 2:01:47

Every once in a while, Matt and I will, or or even Ben, we'll collaborate and I'll edit for all these guys. And Matt's like, I need to learn how to do that. Yeah, you're doing all right, buddy. But um, so okay, let's talk about just auditing in the first place. What's the right way? What's the wrong way? So for me, uh San Joaquin, I want to kind of pick your brain. This is how I traditionally handle any auditor situation. We're gonna get a call, right? Benning calls in, ring ring. Hey, this motherfucker over here is filming me, and I work at the local bank. And you're like, oh, okay, I'm not getting that call. That's going to dispatch. So now across my computer, my computer just keeps me aware. So now across my computer screen, I'm gonna get dispatched to the bank for a person filming bank and that they're concerned. When I show up, now I'm hoping there's other cops out here listening. When I show up, I don't I don't go to the auditor, I don't go look at him, I go to The person that made the call to go talk to them. Hey Dr. Levine, can you can you tell me what's going on? Yeah, that guy's out there, he's filming me. He's filming our bank, all of our customers. Okay. Um who's scraping? Do you guys hear that? We did. It stopped.

SPEAKER_02: 2:03:18

Yes, it stopped.

SPEAKER_01: 2:03:19

Whatever it was. Um, so I will go to the to the banker and say, hey, tell me what were they doing? Okay, he he's over there, and when people drive by, he's filming them. Okay, was he doing it from the sidewalk? Yeah, yeah. Did he come onto the property? Well, no, he didn't come out of the property. Okay, cool. Um, was he threatening anybody? Did he show a weapon? Did anything like that happen? No. Okay. Um, so he's just out there filming. Yeah. And you're worried he's invading people's privacy, I'm assuming. Yes. Okay, cool. Well, this is a First Amendment right. They have the right to film while they're out there. This is it's protected by the Supreme Court ruling, and I can pull that up for you if you want to see. But a lot of people don't know that. And it doesn't feel right when people start filming you. I get that. And you are worried that they're going to film that privacy, but people's privacy is on them. So if they want to protect their information in public, they got to protect it. It's not on the police. So there's nothing I can do to that guy. Is there any other thing I can help you with? No, that's it. All right, ma'am. Have a good day. I don't even talk to the auditor. Guys, I don't talk to the auditor. Banning.

SPEAKER_00: 2:04:23

Same. 100% the same. And Eric and I, that's I think that's why Eric and I do uh a decent job of what we do here. We don't agree on everything, but that right there is exactly how I've handled it for several years. I I started seeing auditors 2014, 2015 is when they started kind of coming on scene in the city that I was in in the Dallas Fort Worth area. And I kind of got upset because I ran into a lot of them. I'm talking several. And I would go to a call and I would talk to them. If the auditor came to talk to me, great. I'd I'd talk to them. And then finally I was like, well, I want to, I want to be on this channel. You know, I'm like, I think I did right. And I'd finally reach out to them. I create a little YouTube channel where I had like one viewer and it was probably my wife. And I'd send them a message. I'm like, hey man, you you interviewed me last Monday. Did and I I saw you put up some other videos on Monday. Why didn't I see my fat mug on there? And they'd be like, Well, man, you you you actually were amazing. And I'm like, can can you show the people? Uh I want to look. It's like, you know, and then they're like, no, dude, you actually stopped me on a traffic stop last year, too. And you were you're really cool and wrote me a warning. I'm like, well, I'm not a big ticket rider, man. Hey, thanks for the could can you let your people know? No, dude. I'm I'm trying to get people to commercially invest in me, man. And you you're not the guy. And I'm like, oh, hey, what do I gotta do? And they're like, what do you gotta do? I'm like, I ain't willing to do all that stuff because that's gonna violate your rights, man. It's you know, period. And it's and and I put that back to the training, I put that back to my parents. And it's kind of a common sense thing that I did for 21 years, not saying I'm perfect. There's no cop out there that's perfect if they say that they are, they're fucking full of shows.

SPEAKER_01: 2:06:06

Yeah, there's there's one other way that I've handled auditors in the past, and you get the call, same thing. We'll go the same scenario, cool. And I'll get near the scene, I'll be four or five blocks down the road. I'll see, oh, there they are, they're on the sidewalk. And I'll just watch. And I'll watch and I'll watch and I'll watch. Ten minutes go by, 15 minutes go by. No, he ain't doing anything. All right, let me call the person that called. Hey, this is Officer Levine. Uh I almost I almost went into my my normal, I almost said my agency because that's what I would say. Um, I would have said, you know, this Officer Levine. Uh, you know, can you can you kind of tell you were the caller? Can you kind of tell me what was going on? And then same thing. All right. Well, we've been observing him from here, you know, we're not seeing anything. Uh, do you got anything else? No, okay. Um, and and that's it. Boom, call cleared. And I didn't even have to get out of my car, guys. Like I could just be staying in my nice cool car because I'm in Texas. It's always hot. So that's that's that's two different. I just gave officers out there listening, just gave you two ways to handle it. Saying, is there anything that I said that you think is wrong or I should fix, or that we could adjust from that?

SPEAKER_02: 2:07:14

Me personally, I think that's that's uh that's amazing. You know, I I've seen cops kind of do what you what you've done. Now we're starting to see dispatch say, well, ma'am, he has the First Amendment right to record in public, and they don't even dispatch the officer out. Um, but I I'll say this I have seen cops do exactly what you just stated, where they just go talk to the people and educate them and then come back out and say, Hey man, I let them know you guys are welcome to do this, man. You guys have a great day, you know. I love that, dude. I I I love seeing that. I love seeing cops come up with a great attitude and say, You guys have a first amendment, you guys keep doing what you do, you're allowed to do it. You know, just don't step on the property.

SPEAKER_01: 2:07:53

You're gonna get shit from other auditors just for saying that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:07:57

Yeah, I mean I mean, I think uh for the most part, a lot of auditors and a lot of the people that support, you know, mouth, they kind of agree, you know, with that, with uh, you know, they do want to see good cops, you know. A lot of a lot of the people that support me and have been supporting me for a long time, they know what I show. They know I show the good, they know I show the bad, they know I fist bump and shake hands. I was told uh, you know, by some of the channels before me that they were like, don't shake their their hands, man. Fuck that, don't shake their hands. And I'm just like, I'm different, bro. I I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna I'm gonna fist bump and I'm gonna shake hands when they treat me with respect, you know, and and uh and it I've been like that from the very beginning, man. Like I, you know, like I said, when I first started, I was kind of an asshole, but I was I saw some videos of myself and I'm like, no, I'm gonna change it up. That's that's not me, dude. That's not that's not even really me. I don't want to really create a personality. I just want to be myself, you know, and uh so I like the good and the bad, and and and you're right, man. I I we do like seeing cops do their job correctly and come in and but I do I do I would like to see cops come up to the auditor more often and say, hey, you know, hey, you guys are welcome to do that. You know, you guys have a great day, whatever. Okay, so we do see that a lot.

SPEAKER_01: 2:09:12

That's good feedback to get because for me, I I I would think that the auditors they want me to do my job and know that I have no right to contact them. So that's for me, I was like, I'm not even gonna go over there because I want them to know that I know where my place is at and it's not with you because you're doing your thing. I why should I intrude?

SPEAKER_02: 2:09:33

Um but uh that's reasonable, makes sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 2:09:37

Yeah, that's good to know. Um, I want to get to East Law's audit's question because we've answered this a bunch of times on here. Um, have you have you have any of you reported bad cops to your supervisor? Um, one, I am a supervisor now, and I have busted cops. I have in my career have arrested four cops. It's not a brag, it's just that's what it's happened. I work for a major city. There's like 1.2 million people where I'm at now. So um I want this is uh uh just a perspective. It's I'm not making excuses. This is just my own personal perspective I want to give you guys. At my department alone, every single year that I've been here for the last almost 15 years, um, because I've been at another agency before this, but every year that I've been here, at least one. There's been multiple on several years, but at least one officer has been fired, charged, arrested every year. Cops are being held accountable. You're just not hearing about it. Why? Because it's not sexy. If it doesn't bleed, it don't lead. Nobody gives a shit about cops doing the right thing, they only care when they're not. So I see it all the time. Now, this is just me. It doesn't mean it's happening everywhere. And I fully admit that. I'm not trying to say, oh, cops are held accountable at every single place. I mean, look at your Cavio guy. That guy needs to be held accountable. We don't know if he has been. Um, and we don't know if he will be. He might not.

SPEAKER_00: 2:10:58

Who knows? I have arrested local, meaning municipal, okay? I've arrested county, I've arrested state, and I've arrested federal. And that's not something you put on your resume. Wow. Now, is that something I'm proud of? Absolutely not, because that tarnishes the badge. But if it happens in front of me, your ass is going to jail. And I don't give a shit what's around your neck, I don't give a shit what's in your pocket. I took an oath. Period. And and this this kind of shit drives my blood pressure up. And it's not huge numbers, but if it happens in front of me, your ass is going to jail. Period.

SPEAKER_03: 2:11:32

So Matt, what about you, buddy? Absolutely. I've reported bad. I've raised my right hand against in the past. I've um, yeah, and I'll be glad to do it again. I felt no, I I felt no shame. Whatever, I'll throw you under the bus and then run you over with it if you're a bad cop. Making my job harder.

SPEAKER_01: 2:11:50

Yeah, I'll tell you the the the one that stuck with me the most was um I had a hit and run accident. I was working. I get there, 14-year-old girl in the back seat. They got T-boned. Um, I'm assuming drunk driver right from the get-go, just because of what had happened, the time of night. 14-year-old girl got her femur broke in the back seat. So I get there and I'm searching the abandoned car, and what do I find? A bunch of detective cards. Yeah. Yeah. Detectives get their own business cards, right? And I'm like, oh shit. So now the hunt's on. We we assumed because even when you got in the car, you could smell alcohol. Like it and he wasn't in there. So that's how bad he was. Manhunt was on. We had we got the helicopter involved. We went towards this dude's house. Um, he ended up getting picked up. He called a buddy and said, Don't ask me any questions, just come pick me up. And his buddy did, which I'm not gonna lie. If one of my friends said, Don't ask me any questions, come pick me up. I'm like, All right, bro, let me come get you. What's up? Are you good? You getting, you know, especially military and cop world. I'm like, making sure they're not suicidal. Yeah, I got you. Let me come get you. Um, but uh yeah, he got he went to prison and uh his buddy got fired um from the PD. So that that's the one that stuck with me the most simply because you left a little girl. You know, I've got I've got a 14-year-old. She's about to turn 14 in like a week or two. But um yeah, like that shit. Right is right, wrong is wrong. I don't give a fuck. And if you're a cop, you should be held to a higher standard. I say that a lot on here. Mr. Bill Fold always busts me. He's he doesn't like that I say cops are held to a higher standard, but to me, they should be held to a higher standard. So I hold them to that higher standard. Um, yeah. But all three of us on this panel have it's not again, it's not a bragging thing, guys. I I'm not proud that I've if you did wrong, you do justice is is is what it is.

SPEAKER_00: 2:13:53

The last thing we want to see is somebody tarnish the badge, but they if they do it in front of us, they're they're done.

SPEAKER_01: 2:13:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 2:14:00

And usually if you have a good judge and a good DA, they're gonna do the same. They're gonna they're gonna aim for the friggin' sky like they should, because those people, when they're on duty, are out there to protect the rights of the citizens and protect life and property in that order.

SPEAKER_07: 2:14:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 2:14:17

And if they're not out there doing that and they're out there acting a fool, pieces, you know, you're you're gone. You see ya. Let's let's build a new jail. And here's where we're gonna lay the concrete out, and this is where this SOB is going, and we're gonna lay him in there, and he's gonna be a great piece of rebar. Uh, if you're doing that kind of stuff, do not tarnish my badge. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 2:14:36

I've arrested military members. I here's another one for you. On moments that I can't arrest you, or let's say I did, both, whether I can or I can't. If you are making the uniform look bad as a military member, I'm still in the military. I figure out who your first sergeant is, or your I don't know what you guys call it in your other branches, but your administrative sergeant. I figure out who it is, and I I tell them all about what you did. And that is a worse punishment than you'll ever get from the uh the justice system out in the civilian world. But um speaking of punishment, I just got the two-minute warning. Uh-oh, to Neil speaking, you guys don't know this, but this man is a kept man. We are over our two two-hour mark that we normally go, but we had a special guest tonight, and I want to make sure he got everything he wanted out. So um, San Joaquin, uh, anything else you want to get out there, brother? We've been going for a while. I don't want to take up all your time either.

SPEAKER_02: 2:15:33

Um, maybe this, I don't know if this will help cops or future cops that are planning to go, you know, through the academies or whatever, but there was a, and I know Rights Crispy, you had mentioned this on your um Rogue Nation, good to see you as well. Um, there's a a a uh federal correctional officer that we that loved our channel and we interviewed him and he became a friend of ours. One of the things that I think he said that was profound um was the fact that when he started, he told everybody, I'm one of those cops that'll turn you in. So whatever you're doing in front of me that's bad, don't do it. Don't do anything around me because I'll arrest you or I'll turn you in. And uh he said that that actually helped him throughout his career because if they didn't want him around, they would move him usually to a higher position, you know, and get him out of there. And uh he said that that he feels like that protected him throughout his career because he just didn't want to be around anything bad that anybody was doing. And uh maybe if you're an officer planning to become an officer, uh maybe you can tell that to, you know, everybody in the locker room or you know, your supervisor say, Hey, if there's something bad going on, I will turn them in. So make sure you don't do it in front of me. And I think uh, you know, maybe maybe that can help.

SPEAKER_01: 2:16:55

I agree. I like that. I like that a lot.

SPEAKER_03: 2:16:58

Wonderful, wonderful.

SPEAKER_01: 2:16:59

Yeah, if you guys um I want I want people to know where they can find you, sir. So I actually I have your channel. I believe this is your no, that's not you. I know I got it here somewhere. There we go. I want to share your share your YouTube channel. Um, please make sure you guys go like, subscribe, follow all that stuff at his channel there. Um I think this has been a great little podcast we did here tonight. Uh 100%. Uh your your crowd, great crowd. Somebody brought in some crazy trolls from something D. I don't even know what that was.

SPEAKER_02: 2:17:39

But um the guy used to be a cop watcher, and he kind of got like he was arrested numerous times for his antics, and he just kind of starts going after all the auditors now and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01: 2:17:51

Oh, okay. Yeah, I knew something was up, but you know what? You you're I I say you're starting to do something right when the trolls come out. So um thank you very much, sir. Uh very humbling to have anybody. It takes a lot of guts to come on here knowing you're about to talk to three cops.

SPEAKER_00: 2:18:07

And uh especially here's line is uh we all wake up every day or night, depending on where you work, and we all put our pants on the same way. There is nobody better than anybody in our room, and we appreciate you taking the time uh to come bless us with your presence. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 2:18:25

Yep, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03: 2:18:26

It's been a it's been great to meet you, man. You're the OG to me, and uh I always hold you way up here, man. I was super excited when I heard Eric got you, brother.

SPEAKER_02: 2:18:34

Thank you guys, man. And I uh I I'd love to have you guys on as well on my channel on a live show.

SPEAKER_01: 2:18:39

100%. Hell yeah, brother. That'd be fun. All of us at the same time.

SPEAKER_00: 2:18:43

And and we we we can take it, man. If they if they want to deal it to us, it's yeah, it's it's no, it's no sweat off of us, man. We'll we'll come and represent the best that we can, and we're here for the community, and that's what we're all here. If you look at what we're all doing here, it's for the freaking community, it's for our freaking amazing country. People may say, I hate America, may hey, whatever. We're here for everybody, period.

SPEAKER_01: 2:19:05

Yep. One of the things that we we don't do, we don't, we don't ban people, we don't delete them simply because they don't like cops or whatever, and that's what makes us a little different. And I think what we've been able to do over time is those that absolutely hated cops and came to troll, they end up switching their mind. They're like, okay, let me give them a chance, and then the next thing you know, they're advocating for us, which has been great. Um, and that's why I was calling out Mr. Billfold. He's like one of the original people that came up and was calling us out on some bullshit that we were saying. And it wasn't that I was right and he was right or whatever. It was just we had a difference of opinion, but we let him say it. We didn't try to prevent him just because we don't want an echo chamber. So um, but no, very much appreciate it. Everybody out there in the audience, thank you very much. Make sure you guys go check out Matt Thornton's page. Make sure you guys go check banning out on LinkedIn. Um, like, subscribe, follow, do all that stuff. Everybody else, um, guys, if you could stick around right as I end this, but everybody out there, thank you for joining us and take care of it. Appreciate it, though.

SPEAKER_02: 2:20:06

Thank you, thank you guys as well.