How Police And First Amendment Auditors Can Get It Right

A calm officer can end an auditor contact in seconds. A triggered officer can turn the same moment into a lawsuit, a viral clip, and a career problem. That tension drives today’s conversation with Sgt Erik Lavigne, Banning Sweatland and Ryan Montero as we dig into First Amendment auditors, police accountability, and the real reason “name and badge number” sometimes flips a switch.

We talk through why viewers can get more upset when cops and auditors both do things correctly than when one side is clearly wrong. From there we break down a body camera encounter step by step, including trespass warnings, what officers can demand during a stop, and why “failure to identify” is so often misunderstood. The bigger takeaway is about ego in policing: when you can disengage, you should, and when you cannot, you still have to stay professional and constitutional.

We also pivot into quick-hit video reviews that show both ends of modern law enforcement: a strong example of teamwork and restraint after a taser deployment in the water, and multiple clips that highlight unnecessary force, poor communication, and fear-driven decision-making. Along the way we connect the dots to police training gaps, recruiting pressures, and why constitutional rights education and emotional intelligence are now critical officer safety tools.

If you care about First Amendment audit videos, bodycam footage, de-escalation, use of force decision-making, and how policing can earn trust again, this one is for you. Subscribe, share this episode with someone who argues about auditors, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway.

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Transcript

Disclaimers And Content Warning

SPEAKER_03 0:00

The views and opinions you're about to hear are those of the hosts and guests alone. They don't represent any police department, agency, sponsor, or employer. Two cops, one donut isn't responsible for anything said by guests or for any videos, clips, or content shown during the live stream. This show is intended for adult audiences only. We cover real incidents, we show graphic and sometimes disturbing footage, and we don't shy away from strong language or adult conversations. There may or may not also be alcohol involved. Viewer discretion is strongly advised. Everything you hear or see on the show is for entertainment and educational purposes. It is not legal advice and it's not tactical instruction. And it shouldn't be used for such. By continuing to watch, you're telling us that you understand, you accept all this. All right, now let's get into it. Today I got with me the one and only Banning Sweatland and also Ryan uh Montero. Uh, he is having technical difficulties. He's we're waiting for him to rejoin. Um, had a lot of technical difficulties already today, but it's just what happens every time we do this. So it is what it is. But what's up, Bany? Oh, here he is. He's joining now. It's his dad. His dad had to do the tech side for him. Hey, gotta save your son again, huh?

SPEAKER_06 1:31

Guys, see me and hear me okay? Yep, you're good to go. All right, man. You know, you guys are paying me for this stuff, man. This free stuff is done. Too funny. Oh man. See you later, sir. All right, take care, guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

He's like, give me this. Get off. Oh, looking over at the chat. Andy Fletcher's in the house. Nina, what's up? Mr. Bill Fold. What's up, Ryan? Got it all fixed up, sirs.

SPEAKER_13 2:03

Good to see you banning again.

SPEAKER_03 2:05

Good to have you back.

SPEAKER_13 2:06

Good to see you.

SPEAKER_03 2:07

So uh for those that don't remember, we had Ryan on before. Um, I've talked uh I've talked before about like Ryan and I, we don't always agree on topics, but we have very great and productive conversations about stuff that we see differently. And that is what the show is about because I want you guys to have different perspectives. Um, my pr it's my way is not always the right way, it's just the way I think. And then Ryan has ways that he thinks, and the way that policing is where he's at is different than where it is down south where we're at. So uh it's just it's always good to have different perspectives on here. Uh, and we like we like having you, Ryan. So I'm glad you're back.

SPEAKER_13 2:51

Yeah, good to be here, guys. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 2:53

Appreciate you uh filling in. Uh, we we were uh we tried to get you on a couple other times, but you were busy. And then our guest today, which was actually Matt Thornton, which it was going to be an episode about Matt, and then Matt had to drop because his wife flew in early and surprised him. So he's like, I gotta take care of mom. I was like her mama, whatever he calls her. I was like, All right, sounds good. Uh looking over at the chat, Jeffrey Conrad, he said, uh met Banning one time at a show, and all of a sudden, here I am. That's what I'm talking about, baby. That's what it's about.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Appreciate you being here, Jeffrey. And I and a real quick apology to everybody. I know I'm lagging, I'm glitching. Look, it's gonna get better very soon, so so hang in there with me, and I promise it'll get better.

SPEAKER_13 3:39

Is that where the static's coming from that I hear?

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Oh, now I hear static.

SPEAKER_03 3:44

I hear static, but it's only I think it's coming from YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

I think it's on your headphone or your mic, brother. It just went static when you spoke.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Yeah. It might have an electrical cord too close to the mic somewhere, or your phone's too close to the mic. Sometimes that does it too. So you guys, you'll go through our you'll go through all of our technical errors with us. It's every week. Every week we have something. We're supposed to have Trey Mosley here tonight. Um, but yep, still hear it. Keep talking. Let me hear you. Give me a give me a one, two, three, four. Oh, he froze right up. Yeah, Mike's like Ryan's got static. I know. About the catch was static, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 4:28

That uh the back office when you sign in now is a lot different than what it was previous times, just so you're aware. I know your office probably looks about the same, but uh the guest one, man, is just uh yeah, just horrible.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Yeah, I can hear Ryan occasionally there, but his uh his video is locked right up. So see, Nina's in the house saying, What's up, banning Ryan?

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Uh I just usually punch the monitor and it fixes it whenever mine freezes.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

So there you go. That's always a good thing. Uh chose none says, Hi, I'm new to the stream. What's going on, brother? Um, leave uh RL says I am not a fan of police. We can hear you, Ryan, but you your video is locked right up. So I don't know if he can hear me, but if you gotta bounce out and then come back in, you can try that again. He says it's just froze again.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Yeah, just hit that leave button, make sure you close your Windows browser all the way, and then come back in like it's new, and it should hopefully fix a little bit of it.

Why Auditors Trigger Pushback

Auditors As A Freedom Check

SPEAKER_03 5:37

Yeah, I'm just letting him know on a text message, just in case he can't hear us. Uh so today's episode, guys. Uh, if we can get Ryan rocking and rolling or not, um today's episode is going to be about auditors. Why about auditors? We've talked about auditors before. Well, lately I've been putting out a lot of videos of auditors and police kind of teaming up. Not necessarily teaming up, but doing what's right. The cops are doing what they're supposed to be doing, and the auditors doing what auditors do. And I got a lot more pushback than I ever did when the auditor in the in the cop was in the wrong, which is crazy to me. Like if the cop was in the wrong or the auditor was in the wrong, nobody really was saying a whole lot. But when they teamed up together, people are pissed off across the board. So I found that interesting. So I figured that can be kind of a topic today, Benny. One of the things that uh I was kind of thinking of is how people view. We're gonna go with auditors first. How people view them. Um, some people see them agitators, some people see them as uh I can still hear Ryan. But um, some people see them as uh, you know, doing a good thing. I'm gonna mute his mic there. So I'm curious what y'all think. Um still working through these technical difficulties over here. What do y'all think? Are y'all looking at uh auditors as agitators? They're just out there trying to like the common thing, they're just trying to get some sort of uh you know reaction from somebody so they can sue. And I don't believe that to be true. I do think there are some that are like that. What's up, Steve Wallace? Steve Wallison saying hello. Jay C Mans is saying, uh, what's up, gents? Long time listener. First time in the stream. Appreciate you, brother. And uh Mike Cucumber says, Hi, I'm new here. You're definitely not new here, you liar. So I will I'll go, I'll go first, Banning, and then you can go down your auditor mindset and what you think. So I'm gonna let me. I I need to see, you need to see full expression of my arms when I start talking here. So the way that I'm standing, I got my desk in a standing position. The way that I see auditors is one, I look at our country, right? We have a beautiful free country, that's what we're supposed to have. So, in being a free country, I'm always looking for things that are symbolic of that freedom, and that's how I see auditors. I see auditors as that symbolic freedom that we have here in our country. Uh-oh. Ryan's stuff is all sorts of messed up. You can hear feedback.

SPEAKER_09 8:41

So I'm gonna mute him for now.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

Um we'll see if he comes back with his video. I'll wait for his video to show up and then I'll I'll unmute him. Um, but yeah, the way that I'm looking at the auditors is a beautiful freedom. It's a symbolic way of looking at our country is so free that somebody can be out on a public area testing their own government, holding them accountable to see if they're gonna overstep or if they're just going to ignore it like they should, uh, and you know, uphold their oath. And I don't know, I don't know how other people don't see that. That's what kind of bugs me. But I'm an optimistic person, so I'm always looking at things as like the bright side of things. I can see how people would be upset, they feel like it's an invasion of privacy, they don't want to be filmed, but you're always being filmed, whether you're just walking down the sidewalk or whatever, other buildings are filming you, uh people's dash cams are filming you, people are on their cell phones recording either themselves or whatever, you're always being filmed. So, why do you all of a sudden have a problem when there's a body behind a camera that's aimed at you because you know it's aimed at you. When all the other ones are aimed at you too, you just don't think about it because there's not a body behind it. What do you think, Benny?

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Anytime that we've covered auditors in the past, my LinkedIn, uh, in a negative way at first, I used to get a lot of because I'm connected to just like you are, to cops all around the world globally. And at first, you know, there was a little bit of backfire on there. And what I always reply with is maybe I was trained differently, or maybe I paid a different paid attention to different parts of the boot or not boot camp, friggin' academy. Sorry, didn't do many things in my life. Um, but the fact is, is even the first time I went to a call, I always run through, do we have a reason to be there? And that was a big thing that I learned in first phases in FTO at the first agency I ever worked at. And nine times of ten, I didn't because they were on a sidewalk. They had a camera mounted, and maybe they were talking, it looked like they were talking to themselves. This is now this is back in 02, 03, uh, when YouTube was kind of just really coming coming out. Uh, there was some videos on there about it, but not much. And those were the OGs out there. And some of the OGs in the area that I worked did a lot in the city that I worked at trying to get a rise. But we we were trained pretty well. Now, did that mean our department was perfect with it and there needed more training? Absolutely. Uh, but I never personally had an issue, and I was never some people will say, oh, they bait you in. No, they're standing out there in public filming, and if you're public, if your eyes can see in the public, that camera is absolutely allowed there. So I've never never really had a problem with it. And even if somebody said that they did something uh that broke a law and were actually investigating something, I wasn't a jackass to these guys. I mean, just treat everybody as a human, and you're gonna get down to the bottom of it. And usually the end of that was as I was educating, like we see in some of these videos, I'm educating the caller and hoping that they spread that message through social media and everything else. And you know, basically, bottom line is it is 2026. If you go outside of your house, I would say, even I'm me living out in BFE out here, uh, five times out of ten, you're gonna be on camera, either uh whatever uh pan-tilt zoom camera that that different buildings have, just private security, ones that have agreements with with uh law enforcement, you're gonna be on, you're you know, always I always look feel like I'm on camera, even when I'm home, I mean you know, I'm here on camera. So it's it's something that I'm used to, and I'm hoping the rest of the country uh comes together on this because why are we still seeing videos like this to where we're where cops are jacking them up? If they're breaking the a truly breaking the law, different story. Yeah, but I just I haven't been seeing that.

SPEAKER_03 12:46

Yep. All right, let's see if Ryan's back. Can you hear me, Ryan?

SPEAKER_13 12:54

I I can hear you, but can you hear me?

SPEAKER_03 12:57

Yeah, your microphone is just static me again. Yeah. I don't know if you can. Can you hear us right now? We can hear you. But your mic is uh all sorts of jacked up. And you keep freezing, you're just like he's just stuck sitting there staring at us. Okay. I don't know what to do. I don't know how to help him on his side.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

This is the reason why mine is freezing, and I I did something I typed in clean under this is my wife's computer and into the search, and I did clean, which sped mine up a little bit, slows down some other processes, but I don't know what his is doing.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Yeah, he's just straight frozen.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

I'm gonna Yeah, that's what Mike said. Yeah, I I agree with that. If he wants to try on his built-in computer mic, or if that camera's got a built-in mic, that may get rid of that uh that that issue.

SPEAKER_03 14:14

Yeah, what's funny is he's not showing up anymore as a guest, but he's stuck on the screen. Hmm. There we go. He's like, I don't want to. No worries. All right, we're we're not gonna get Ryan tonight, y'all. I'm sorry. Uh we tried, he had some technical difficulties, and it is what it is. We appreciate we appreciate the effort. Uh what's funny is we were talking for like 20 minutes, no issues prior to the show starting. It's like as soon as the show started, he was just computer went to shit. So it is what it is. Um, yeah, uh, somebody's comment, I wanted to read it. It was a good one. Uh Jeffrey Conrad said, I think first defining what it means to audit the first amendment and apply it to a litmus test, or as it applies, uh as damn it. I heard something. I think first defining what it means to audit the first amendment and apply it as a litmus test. But if you're out to bait and push, the next test is what resolution do you want from that interaction? Which I think that's good, that's a good point. What do you want from the interaction? What are you trying to get from it? I don't I can't answer that. I don't know what every everybody's intentions are. I know what Long Island Audits trying to do. I know what uh S what SVJT, SVTJ, San Joaquin Valley Transparency. I get his acronym all backwards. Uh, I know what he's trying to do. Um, some a lot of great auditors out there that they're one, they're trying to educate, two, they're trying to see and make sure that their police are doing what they're supposed to be doing. Like that makes sense. Some are out to try to score some money. And I saw somebody in the comments saying that you know they it's not always easy to sue these people, but it it's not it's not the lawsuit, it's the settlement. That's typically where the payment comes in. It's the settlement. At least that's what I've seen in my experience. Um, yeah, twitchy sketch. Wi-Fi sucks. He probably needs hardwire. I agree, because banning doesn't even have that. Uh so I've been been watching area transparency. I'm glad we're talking about this. Awesome. Um, we're trying to get uh First Amendment Protection Agency, I think that's what it is, FAPA. Um, I think they're gonna be on next Sunday. So we were trying to get them for this Sunday, didn't quite work out for the timing, but yeah, we're going to get FAPA on here. Um we're reaching out to, we've been reaching out to a lot of um auditor type people and stuff like that, trying to trying to get them on here and not necessarily defend themselves, just explain what they think and why they think what they think. Because right now, what are we doing? We're speculating. I don't know why they do what they do necessarily, um, but some of them I do because I've asked them. Uh Banning started off as a mall security guard for a year. Big ass security guard. Um, Jeff Gray, Auto the Watchdog. Yeah, all those guys. I got uh one of our mods, Tim, he's been working hard behind the scenes trying to get some people. So is uh Mr. Billfold's been very good at helping us out and get trying to find people. Um but yeah, there's uh there's all sorts of uh great people. I want Southern Law Draw. I want to get him. I think he's out of Texas, Banning. Um but um Jeffrey said, so if it's to educate, great, you're looking to refine a lack of training or knowledge. That's inherently beneficial to everyone, but if for monetary value, what progress do you bring? Just a just speculating, yeah. And that that's that's part of the problem that some people have with auditors, is you do have some that are out there just for the shock jock, trying to get clicks, likes, follows. Um shit. I got accused of that today by another cop. That I'm making my shorts and reels just for clicks and views and likes because I because I get what from that? Zero. I get dick all. I don't that doesn't do me any good. I I do it to get people to the platform so they can see us discuss the videos in more in-depth today. Um, but yeah, speaking to that, um oh uh Kingslayer said Southern law draws out of Tennessee. Ah, my bad. I thought it was Texas. My bad. Um, yeah, I could have sworn it was there. Howard County Observer, one of the shortest live streams ever. I don't know what he's talking about. Oh, he's talking about Ryan. Yeah, that was. And he's gone. Hi, my name's Ryan, and see you later. So very, very true. Uh, some LinkedIn user said, just joined. What I missed. You didn't miss anything yet. We're just talking about auditors and how some people see them, how they don't see them. I've explained how I see them, Banning explained how he views them. Um, I love auditors, I think they're great. I think they have single-handedly helped policing get better. And you can start to see the videos that we're putting out there. Uh, I think they happen way more than people know of good interactions between cops and auditors. Uh, I've seen it happen in my own, like uh Kide Kighty, Cody Highroller, he's an auditor where I'm at. And I I've seen him, like he has great interactions with cops all the time. Uh, so it happens. You just it just doesn't get shared that much. I don't know why. Um I don't think a lot of people, I think people that make the videos don't think other people are going to care for it because it's cops doing their job. What do you think, Benny?

SPEAKER_01 20:29

That's it's the same thing. Uh, like I said, I've I've never had a problem with it. I've ran into training guys that that uh really couldn't understand it. And that's that's that's where the major issue is really coming from. Is it's not being addressed early on in their career. You know, we we need to understand the the amendments, uh all of them that pertain, which is which is all of them, uh, before you slap that badge on and go on the street. And and that's where, and I'm actually speaking to some academies uh offline about things, and it's amazing how many are not. Even this is such a major issue, it's not really being covered in a lot of the the academies like it should.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

Yep, I I agree. Um, somebody uh was shooting some shade at us the other day um saying, What are what are you doing to help? And I'm like, we should do a fuck ton. Uh it isn't just about uh looks like Ryan's trying to join back. See what we got. Let's give him another shot.

SPEAKER_13 21:27

Hopefully it works. Hey guys, can you hear me? Hey, we got him.

SPEAKER_03 21:31

He's back.

SPEAKER_13 21:32

Immediately can you hear me?

SPEAKER_03 21:34

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_13 21:34

Yep. All right. I I'm gonna get this microphone out of here. If you can hear me, I think it's the microphone that's screwing stuff up.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_13 21:44

But you can hear me. I'll speak better.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

We can hear you. Yeah, let's try try this out. What do you what are you on now?

SPEAKER_13 21:50

Uh I switch computers actually.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

Okay. So you do have I can hear myself coming through your speakers. If did you turn the uh on the settings, did you turn the the echo under audio? The echo cancellation. If you go to the settings on restream.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Yeah, I can tell you click it off and click it back on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:28

I don't hear my echo anymore.

SPEAKER_13 22:32

Is it good now?

SPEAKER_03 22:33

One, two, three, four.

SPEAKER_13 22:35

Sounds good to me. Good.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

Good to go. Okay. So, Ryan, what you missed while you were gone is we are talking about auditors. First Amendment auditors. It could even be Second Amendment auditors. Uh you never see Third Amendment auditors. Kind of weird. Uh, but you know, wanting soldiers quartered in your house.

SPEAKER_13 23:00

But anyway, that's a gotcha uh for a lot of these guys. A lot of cops don't know the Third Amendment.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

I know it just because of how silly it is. Um, but uh me and Banning both given our opinion. Uh I'll just give you the the reader's digest version of mine. Is I look at auditors as flexing a beautiful right that we have in our country to freedom of speech um and put their own government in check in a way without any violence. It's it's one of the true ways to do a uh a checks and balances on your own government, and you shouldn't have any fear of retaliation. And how beautiful and free of a country do we have that you have the freedom to do that, and you should be unobstructed in doing that in a public place. So I look at it as a cool thing, a positive thing. Even if their intentions are shitty, even if they are out there because they're just trying to elicit a reaction because they want to see something bad happen, even if that is their intention, I still look at the constitutionality side of it and I'm like, ah man, try to do that in another country, see what happens to you.

SPEAKER_13 24:16

Yeah, when you put it like that, I agree. Um, but I I if you were asking me, I'd put it into two categories, right? You've got um you've got your your good like professional auditors that are really out there, uh, like you said, to try to keep everything in check, right? Keep that balance. Um like Sean Paul. I like Sean Paul. Yeah, I don't know if you're gonna be aware of it. Yeah, uh, I don't know if you guys follow the random patriot. He's a good one, right? And uh they're not uh they they come at you with respect until you give them a reason not to, right? Yeah, I can appreciate that. Um there's other people they they they come at you right away with the cursing and the you know uh trying to embarrass you. I I'm not yeah, I agree with you. It's beautiful that we can do that in this country. I just uh I have no time for people like that. And are they really auditors? I mean, because you got to think about are you are you here to get clicks, you're here to get views on YouTube, or are you are you read do you really care about keeping the system in check? Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_03 25:22

Yeah, I try to keep myself away from the morality side of it uh because we all have different characters, you know, the way that we look at things. So as a cop, I'll put it as a cop, because there's auditors I can't stand, dude. There are some that just drive me up the wall. There's one in New York, and he's just an asshole to everybody. I mean, just cursing at them, uh gets in their face, is always trying to push uh people's buttons. I don't like that. And he's I don't I don't feel like he's out there trying to do anything worthwhile, but at the same time, I'm like as a cop, I look at him like I can't let my personal feelings about how he's doing it get involved. I can only look at the constitutionality side of it and I agree, he's good.

SPEAKER_13 26:10

I agree, it's just so if I could put it to you this way, like I agree, uh you don't let your personal feelings get involved, but at the end of the day, I still I still have a job to do. Uh you can't be bugging me for no reason all day because you want to get a get a uh a viral video. Does that make sense? Like you mean like the ones that come up to your car while you're sitting in it or something like that, and just start messing with you, and you know, they come at you nasty right away. Like, listen, if you don't have anything I can help you with, law enforcement related, I'm I'm gone. Right. I can't, you know, there's no point. And we all know that uh some of these guys they they're loaded with gotcha questions, right? And they want to embarrass you. Uh to me, that that takes a little bit. I mean, that that's not fair to the public. I'm supposed to be paying attention, right? Supposed to be doing my job, I'm supposed to be out on patrol. Uh, if I gotta sit here and talk to you because you got a camera and you're trying to present questions to make me look stupid, you're taking that service away from the public, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

Yeah, yeah, I I get it. I do. Um, and and I try to tell people, I'm like, look, if you're getting caught with dumb like gotcha questions and stuff like that, like you put yourself there. Nothing's keeping you there. You don't have to stay there, you don't have to keep yourself in that situation.

SPEAKER_13 27:29

Bro, I don't get it. We just embarrass ourselves over and over again. I mean, it's insane. It's like some of these guys have never been on the internet. Like, and you know what I'm saying? Like, if you if someone, one of these guys comes up to you and they're filming, bro, that's your moment to shine. Yeah, that's your moment to shine, you know. Like, be that guy that doesn't go the dumb dumb route and humiliate himself on the internet because you don't like having a camera in your face.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Yeah, yeah, right. Like Andy Fletcher said, it's not illegal, but don't entertain it. And I agree, don't you don't have to. It's it's the same as it's the same freedom that that dude has to come up and tap on the cop's window to talk to him as it is the cop to go, do you have like a law enforcement? Do you need something right now? No, you just want to talk and ask questions? Okay, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_13 31:12

Well, nothing's keeping it. You know, and if if if they come up and do the name and badge number thing, give them your name and badge number, right? Give them your name and badge number. Who gives a shit? If you're not specifically just trying to humiliate me, I'll talk to you. Absolutely. You know, it's how how often do we see, you know, what's your name and badge number? Then cop goes into defense mode, right? Yeah, we don't like auditors, you know. You're you're filming me. I'm supposed to be the authority, and and and now you're messing with me, and they that like you always say that ego, right? Yeah, that ego gets in the way, and then you end up embarrassing yourself when really you can shine.

Bodycam Breakdown Begins

SPEAKER_03 31:48

Yep. Um, I'm glad you brought that up. So uh is your computer able to uh see videos and stuff?

SPEAKER_13 31:56

Uh should be.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

Okay. Because uh this video came to us, it was shared by Mr. Bill Fold, so I'm gonna give him a shout out, Mr. Bill Fold. And it this this fits perfectly. I'm gonna hide the chat for a second. Uh this fits perfectly to exactly what we are talking about right now. So I am going to biggie size this guy here. There we go. Um let me do a little volume check, make sure you guys can hear it. Could you guys hear that? Okay. Um let me oh, let me smally size it real quick. Uh, shout out to WKRG. This is uh we're getting this where we're getting this video from off of YouTube. Uh okay. Covered our liability. All right, here we go.

SPEAKER_16 32:53

Sir, if you want to videotape people, you can videotape me. What'd you say? I can do whatever I want on the other. I'm not saying you can. I just wanted to talk to you. Alright, you have a good day, sir.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

So far, perfect. She let him know, hey dude, you good? He's telling her, I know I'm good. And he's she has no enforcement action to work off of, so she's like, I'm out. That's that's normal. That's how it should be every time. So I think she thinks her call's done. I'm gonna pause this right here. She mutes her mic or or turn either turns a camera off and it continues to record for an extra 30 seconds or whatever, and then she has to turn it back on. I tell officers all the time, do not turn your camera off until you're leaving the scene. You're in your car, you're down the road a little ways, and then you can talk to your camera. Hey, I'm done with this call. Uh I'm two blocks away and recording. Boom, boom, boom. So now you know. But she's not done with this call yet. She thinks she is, but she's not. So it's muted right now. Like I said, she's turning it on. She's turning it on right now. He asked for her name and badge number.

SPEAKER_16 34:26

No, I don't. Okay, I'm just curious, like, why are your videos ego?

SPEAKER_03 34:33

This is what's happening right now. The ego took over already. She he wanted her name and badge number, and she gave it. That's why she was spelling her name, and she got roped back in. So I want you to see how we went from we should have just fucking left. We were done with the call. And watch where this thing just degrades.

SPEAKER_16 34:55

Okay. I mean, you're allowed to be on the road. It's just wearing them on the money.

SPEAKER_17 35:00

I think they need them again.

SPEAKER_16 35:02

Okay, well, they also don't want you on the property on the property. I didn't say you were, I said they don't want you on the property when you tell me on the money. Okay, well, I'm telling you now, you go on the property, you're gonna get trespassed. So you better stay on the side of the road. There it is. I can't, you're not on the property.

SPEAKER_03 35:19

So, educational-wise, for everybody out there listening, a homeowner can give an officer permission to trespass people on their property, at least in Texas. They can say, I don't want that person on my property. And then normally I'd be like, All right, I need you to come tell them that. And they're like, Well, can you do it for me? Like, all right, you're telling me you want me to go tell them that they don't have permission to come on your property. Okay, cool. I'll make sure I get that on camera. So I'll go out there. Some people just don't like the confrontation, and that's what we get paid for, so I'll do it. I know some cops that absolutely won't know. You gotta go tell them. Have you had that banning?

SPEAKER_01 35:52

I have, but I mean, here's here's the deal. I mean, if you read the letter of the law in most of the states, the officer can act and uh as the as the person of the property, so you don't have to have them there. Um, but it's just it's I guess it gets the point across on some different situations, but you don't have to have them there.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, I'm not sure, Ryan. What's it like for where you're at?

SPEAKER_13 36:16

So in terms of uh it's it's the same. Like the I also heard in Texas that do you guys follow uh Tony Skinner or James Fowler there in the security business? Followers, yes, both they're both former cops. Yes, uh for as far as I know, uh they say that uh you know the the police cannot act as a representative in an official capacity for the homeowner, but uh security can. Does that is that how it is?

SPEAKER_03 36:46

Yes, so that is true. I I can act on the call. Like if I just talk to that homeowner and they're like pointing at this guy and I'm right there, right? Then I can, but I I can't come back tomorrow. This guy's walking down the road and be like, oh no, they said yesterday you they didn't want this guy to come now. I'm gonna give him his trespass warning.

SPEAKER_13 37:06

Doesn't work like that, yeah. Right, right, yep, it's the same.

Trespass Warnings And ID Limits

SPEAKER_03 37:10

Yep, yeah. So, um, all right, so now uh you know, I I'm all about the education stuff. So for those that don't understand how trespass works, and I'm not a lawyer, but this is how it's worked in my career. Trespassing somebody is a civil issue, it is not a criminal issue. So if this guy's gonna get trespassed, that's just trespass warning, and a trespass warning is civil. Meaning, if this guy tells me he doesn't want to give me his name and ID and all that stuff, I can't make him do that. Not in Texas. Now, this is where some states differ. We had another guy on, uh, a chief from Ohio that apparently Ohio's a different bird. So um, but for us in Texas, I can't force this person to ID. So if he tells me to fuck off, I'm just gonna write down name, fuck off, and put a description, uh, take a screenshot from my body cam and attach all that to the trespass warning. And that's about as far as I can go. Yep. Uh and that's how that works. And sounds like that's how it works. Ryan, banning, I we've talked about this in LinkedIn. I know that's how it was for you too.

SPEAKER_13 38:20

So but how many times do you see uh what's the next step, right? Oh, you you're not gonna give me your name. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:27

And then the cops they duress them for failure to ID, and it doesn't fit failure to ID.

SPEAKER_13 38:33

No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

So we're trying to tell the cops, listen to me. Look, look, I am trying to help you, trying to help other cops out there. Don't get yourself wrapped up in this because all it's gonna take is that one good defense attorney that knows their shit, and you're gonna get hemmed up.

SPEAKER_13 38:50

So uh must be cops that just don't watch YouTube. Uh, I don't know how that is, but it's gotta be because how do you not? I mean, it's this is everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

Bro, I've seen the training where they're like, no, it's failure ID all day long. I'm an FTO, I know. And I'm like, you are out of your fucking mind.

SPEAKER_13 39:05

So think about how terrifying that is. How many people went to jail, got handcuffed, you know, put in a cage because some cop was is is severely misinformed.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

Right. And and this is one thing that I want to make sure everybody else understands. Let me. Us three here on this panel, because we I know we've had this discussion, we are aware. We understand, and this is what we're trying to convey to other officers to not lose the the empathy, the humanity side that we understand you have to leave work. So you're not gonna get paid from work, most of you. You're gonna have to get a lawyer that you don't have money for. You're going to have to maybe spend time in jail over a weekend that you don't have bond money for. Uh, you risk your car getting towed. You risk having to go get that taken away uh and get it out of the auto pound. Um the the state of depression it could put you in, the way that it's going to make you lose faith in the state, uh, the way that's gonna make you lose faith in cops, your reputation. Your reputation, yeah. I mean, all of these factors, and what does the cop get? Oh, you can you can beat the rat, but you can't beat the ride. Right. How many times have you fucking heard that?

unknown 40:20

Right.

SPEAKER_03 40:20

I'm just like, are you you're out of your mind? Out of your mind to have that's that's mindset. And I will admit, I was indoctrinated with that when I was first became a cop. That's what they all said.

SPEAKER_13 40:31

I didn't know what we all were.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

I didn't understand what it meant. I'm just like, you can beat the rat, but you can't beat the ride. Okay. I I I truly didn't get it at the time. I was like, oh, it's just what they said. And Bany, why are you so red?

SPEAKER_01 40:45

It's my camera setting. I I went back and forth. Like if I it's a lot redder than obviously I mean, I'm I'm a I'm a redhead, but it's not this accentuated. I don't know what the deal is with them. Have a lot of a lot of technical issues as you do.

SPEAKER_03 40:57

Yeah, you're all right, buddy. You you've your sound's coming in great, though. So um I just want to point out to all the audience, if nobody's noticed, uh, Banning is dropping weight like a champ. He's fasting. I think he's on like 120 hours so far. Um, and he's killing it. So make sure you guys are giving him some words of encouragement in the chat because he's killing it.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

And the only thing I've had to uh eat or drink since last Tuesday is uh black folder's coffee and water, uh, and every once in a while some electrolytes. Hell yeah. Just plain electrolytes, man, and it's it's been a journey. It's my third fast, and it's gonna I'm gonna go until it's not feasible anymore. We'll see how it goes. I like it.

SPEAKER_03 41:34

I'm always promoting good health. I love it. Um okay, back to back to my um pedestal I was on there for a second. Um the ignatic, or I'm sorry, the igmatic opaque. God, that's a hard name to say for me. He said, A CAB, which is all cops are bastards. Um, Usher in the Global Revolution. I don't know what the fuck that meant. So uh Keto50, what's up, brother? Um, he's he's rooting you on there, brother.

SPEAKER_01 42:05

Appreciate that, brother.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

Good to see. Um, Jeffrey Conrad. I'm liking Jeffrey. Jeffrey's had a lot of good comments. He said, absolutely, I agree to that all already, I thought, but I was just saying generalizing a statement that is prevailing issue in all the majority of LE is reckless. That's all. Yeah, I try to stay away from the always and nevers and any any large statements like that.

SPEAKER_13 42:29

Um but Eric, is there um I can't see the chat anymore?

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Is that yeah, um it it's it's me. I just I don't I don't have it showing right now. Um you can see it now. Uh there you go. Can you see it?

unknown 42:46

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 42:46

Okay.

Ego Trap And Walking Away

SPEAKER_03 42:47

I I turn it off, the overlay off when we watch the video. But um, so uh to the point that I was getting to or already already made was you know, we do we understand what is going on, at least on this podcast, with people that get arrested and and have to go through this bullshit. Um, and we are trying to make other officers realize what that is, because in this job you you can become cynical very quickly and start to lose that that empathy, your humanity, um emotional intelligence, all of that stuff can can start to go to the wayside. Any any officer out there that doesn't think that they don't have some sort of PTS from this job, you're a liar. You just you just haven't come to the come you haven't come to Jesus yet, or or whoever your person is. There's something going on. You see too many traumatic things, you you're around too many negative things for it to not affect you. It affects us all. It just affects all of us differently. So all right. Let's go back to this video. Um, I'm gonna get rid of the chat. I like this view right here, so we're gonna keep going with this view.

SPEAKER_17 43:58

All right, and pull I don't have to be on the property to be trespassed.

SPEAKER_16 44:01

Yeah, you do. You want to look at the law? Okay, perfect. What's your name?

SPEAKER_17 44:12

You're not getting my ID.

SPEAKER_16 44:16

If you get them on the if you get back on the if you get back on the bubble, come on, you're gonna do something to me, you're gonna use some you have you start coming at me. Who said I'm scared? You're the one that's recording everything? Yep, well, you want too, right? You gotta be bummed a camera? Of course I do. Tell me that.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

I don't pause it for a second. Ryan, I'm gonna let you go. What you think so far?

SPEAKER_13 44:47

Uh the the shut the fuck up was pro uh I'm gonna guess this is it's the end of this one. Uh it's all gonna go to hell from here. Um again, going back to the ego thing. I mean, you can't tell me to shut the fuck up. I'm a cop, right?

SPEAKER_04 45:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 45:05

Uh that's what's going on in her head right now. I I'm I guarantee it. This guy just told me to shut the fuck up, and my my internals are going crazy right now. My mind is like, you get what I'm saying? Like, how dare you disrespect me? It goes back to the ego, right? When in reality, how many opportunities has she had now to just get the fuck out of there?

SPEAKER_03 45:27

To leave. Yeah, just go.

SPEAKER_13 45:30

Right. If somebody wants to call back, then you have an excuse to be there again. And yeah, I don't you you see what I'm saying? It's just it doesn't, oh man, uh we gotta graduate from this uh not being able to be disrespected thing, you know.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Yeah, it's a very old school but culturally indoctrinated belief system in policing because we get that gets reinforced throughout our career. Why does it get reinforced? Because 99% of people do what we tell them to do and they don't give us any shit back. So when you get somebody that does give you shit back, now you've got that unmet expectation, which triggers the ego.

SPEAKER_13 46:10

Yeah, and so and even though it like they've been around for a while, in the grand scheme of things, auditors are are fairly like new, you know, like uh in the bigger picture of things, yeah. In the bigger picture, right? Yeah, um, like the the invention of the cell phone camera, right? And uh body cameras, we you know, that's really what what kind of you know pushed it into like this mainstream thing that you see now. And uh I mean, if we're being honest, if we're being objective, like uh it's that camera that allows this to happen because if that camera wasn't there, people wouldn't do this because you know what would happen. Yeah, not and I'm not saying I'm not saying I agree with it, it's it's not, it's wrong.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

That that's what happened traditionally.

SPEAKER_13 46:55

You you would get arrested even if it if it wasn't lawful or you know, and so that camera has kind of you know birthed this you know movement. And I I I don't disagree with it. I just uh like I said, if we're being honest, you know what would happen without that camera.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

So Yeah. And it's um it's kind of a two two-way street. People say that we hide behind the badge, and then now that body cams have come out, they're doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_13 47:23

They're well yeah, and it's I'm glad you mentioned that because for you know, for our entire careers, you've heard that you know, you're not shit without that gun and badge. Uh, you know, I'm not. You're right. I am not. Right. And it, I don't know. Like, uh, you know, there are a lot of cops that applies to. I I I wouldn't mess with banning, whether he had a gun or badge or not. And I wouldn't mess with you. You you do the jujitsu thing. But the the point I'm trying to make is like uh it kind of goes both ways. Like uh, and that's what I don't like about uh auditors that act like tough guys because I don't do that to people. It's it's not you know indicative of a professional police officer. But let's be real, without that camera, you wouldn't be doing this either.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

So yeah, and it's funny because Andy's right. He he said they do still get arrested. They do, because we cover it out here all the time. It just doesn't happen as often. It's not nearly as bad as it used to be, as it used to be, because we're doing our job, like I said, we're we're getting better. The auditors are single-handedly responsible for cops getting better at that part of their job. Yeah, because I won't lie, I might I probably would have fallen into that same thing because I didn't know any better, I was never taught that. Right, it was never a thing, right? And and at the surface level, I would have been sitting there going, Yeah, that makes sense. It doesn't seem like you should be able to just videotape people without their permission. Yeah, because in some states you can, it's a two-party system.

SPEAKER_13 48:49

Um Paul, he comes at you with respect. And yeah, every once in a while a cop does the right thing, what they're supposed to, and that's the end of it. Yep. Sean Paul Rez will thank you for for doing your job correctly, and then that's the end of it. You know what's wrong with that?

SPEAKER_04 49:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

Um, I gotta give a shout out. Um, I meant to, I think it was Craig that dropped uh let me go back. I'm gonna go. I I missed it. No, it was Acorn Magnum. He dropped five memberships, so I'm sorry. I meant to say thank you, and then I got going down this rabbit hole. Um, he dropped five memberships, so thank you very much, sir. Uh went a little bit farther. Twitchy skitch, she updated hers. She is one of our mods and does a great job. And then Mike dropped two five dollar super chats. And I'm gonna read his question because he blessed us with some uh fundage that goes into this YouTube uh where we can pay for a premium. I just had to uh uh renew the premium. You weren't here for this, Ryan. But uh, did we lose him? We lost him for a second. He pressed a button. I think I got him back.

SPEAKER_13 50:01

I could hear you. Uh I didn't press anything. I don't know, I don't know what's going on, man.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

So um, what was I saying? Uh, but yeah, the the the community got on me because of commercials ads during watching YouTube videos, and they're like, get premium. So that's this is what the uh all their money goes towards. So Mike said friend got arrested because he didn't inform of a weapon right away on a traffic stop. Friend was respectful, but officers used discretion in the wrong way. And then he continued and he said he missed out on three jobs after a background check due to the gun charge. He had to take a job paying half as much, it ruined his life. That is fucking crazy. And the video that comes to mind is the guy that gets shot in the leg by a female officer in Florida. You remember that, Banny?

SPEAKER_13 50:50

Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_03 50:51

Did you see that one, Ryan?

SPEAKER_13 50:54

Uh sorry, I lost you for a second. What was that?

SPEAKER_03 50:56

Uh the female officer in Florida that she's trying to disarm a guy on a traffic stop and she shoots him in the leg.

SPEAKER_13 51:03

Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

So I I go into that a lot. Like Florida is a very pro-carry state. But from what I understand from a lot of Florida cops, they're also, when they do traffic stops like this, this is kind of a common practice to disarm people during a stop to run it, see if it's stolen or whatever. It's not a I haven't seen that in Texas. Um, I'm not saying it never happens. I just saying I have not been around that, and I would immediately call that out because as long as everything's on the up and up, I have no lawful reason to be disarming people. Like it's your second amendment right.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

I I've disarm people, but but here's the the caveat to that is and it's not many, I think it's three in 21 plus, and it was because of either uh DWI investigation. They go to get out and they've got the gun on there and they're losing their step, and he goes put his hand, he's like, Hey, by the way, I got like, oh, stand I, you know, just hold on, hold on a second. Um, and and I've disarmed him, and then there's been a couple other with a firearm visible, not in a holster, literally sitting on the center console. Um, and it was another uh criminal investigation prior to the traffic stop, uh, was it was a reason that that one was uh disarmed.

SPEAKER_13 52:20

Yeah. So so in in Texas, uh, do they have to advise you if they're armed?

SPEAKER_03 52:26

No. No, there's no duty to inform everybody does. Everybody does. You you don't I don't you don't need a carry permit, not in Texas.

SPEAKER_13 52:36

Well, I mean in Virginia, you you need a concealed carry permit, but they're not obligated to notify you if they're armed. It's Texas is I'm good with.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

Yeah, Texas is pretty free when it comes to having a gun. You can carry. I think the thing is it just has to be in a holster.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

As long as it's in a holster, whether it's concealed or not, you're good to go. You just don't want people fucking free balling it with a Glock sitting in their shorts.

SPEAKER_13 53:05

I don't know, I don't know why they tried to disarm that guy. He seemed pretty cool the whole time. Yeah, I mean more than compliant.

SPEAKER_03 53:11

Yeah, I mean, above and beyond compliant. And he even consented to her take disarming him.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

And uh if you go back to that video, I mean, even the circling of the wagons that we that we talk about, or a lot of agencies doing traffic or traffic stops and stuff. Uh why are we why are we circling the wagons on that one? Why, why, what is the what's the firework that went off to have that type of presence, I guess is what we're looking at.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

Yeah, I I just I if I could push back on cops, like, listen guys, like you can't swear an oath to the Constitution and simultaneously try to take away people's rights that the Constitution grants them, especially when it comes to carrying a firearm. Like it it is a part of our nation's birth. That is why we are who we are. If you can't get on board with firearms by now, like as a cop, like that is it's just part of the gig, man. Oh, Alan's in the house. What's going on, Alan?

SPEAKER_14 54:11

How much are you hiding out behind the scenes? Has life been treating you? Oh fantastic, as always.

SPEAKER_03 54:19

Doing this little podcast thing here. Oh, yeah, no. Um, look at it. We look like the Brady Bunch right now. The way the characters are so anyway. Um, I'm looking over at the comments. I'm sorry. Randy Gross, a man after my own heart. Look at that. Look at that wiener he he put right there. Look at that. I do that all the time.

SPEAKER_13 54:42

Eric, does does Alan is Alan's curved enough? Does he pass?

SPEAKER_03 54:47

No. No, that's no.

SPEAKER_13 54:49

He's got a little curved.

SPEAKER_03 54:51

He's trying. I I don't blame Banning because Banning's head is a melon and it's hard for him to bend a bill. So his his head just stretches the bill out straight no matter what you do.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

I will not wear a flat bill, but yeah, just like you're saying. I mean, it's this is uh for uh what is this?

SPEAKER_03 55:09

The eight and a half?

SPEAKER_01 55:11

Uh no, man, it's it's only seven and five eighths, but it's still only tied on my melon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:18

Uh banning's like a couple hair not getting haircuts away from that not fitting. Yeah, pretty much. Um, what did uh Elite? What is this? I can't read that name. Rio Cola. Rio of co Rio of Cola, whatever you want.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

A leader of cola. A leader of cola.

SPEAKER_03 55:39

Oh, it is a leader of cola. Now I get it. Y'all are just rambling at this point. Yeah, that's what we do. Welcome to the show. Thank you for your engagement. Um, Mike dropping another five, ten, nope, five bucks in the uh super chat. He said, I share this because these decisions by fellow officers is why people come up to you cussing and screaming. Be professional. We need a good example. Thank you. I agree. We agree. When when I try to tell people we have a higher standard, that's what I'm referring to. You have to be the higher standard. I'm not saying we always show the higher standard. You're about to watch the rest of this video and see not being the higher standard. Um, but we should be, and and for that exact reason to what Mike's talking about.

SPEAKER_13 56:25

I'm telling you, I'm telling you that fuck you is the catalyst to what's about to happen. And I've never even seen this before.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

Yes, yes, exactly. Uh Lacey's in the house. She said, Greetings, Eric, two cops from Donut and chat. Um, super chat from King Slayer. He said, Cops that take people's guns apart and return them disassembled don't care about the Second Amendment. Are and are guns for me, not the type of people. Yeah, I fuck that. I don't agree with that. Here's the thing. This is this is just me. What what are we taught in the academy? Play the what-if game. A part of me, the what if always happens if I take somebody's gun and all of a sudden the next active shooter, whatever crazy shit happens, and I disarmed a citizen unlawfully, and they could have defended themselves, and they catch a stray from some nut job because we took their gun. Like, I couldn't live with myself on that. I want to look over and be like, hey, cover my six. I got this guy. You make sure nobody sneaks up behind us. Um, I know in Texas they'll help us out. I've never anybody out there carrying usually their game, they're usually pretty, pretty educated. So Ben Will Wynn said, most departments don't enforce the higher standard. Can't I can't speak for most departments. I can only speak for the ones that I've been exposed to. Um I've seen a lot of good. I have seen some that definitely do not uh enforce the higher standard. I won't say specifically where, but it's in Louisiana. So I'll say that. Um pretty sure cops give what they get in terms of attitude. I can I can agree with that. I think that I think that most of the time um people tend to give a bad attitude towards the cops first, most of the time. Um but I have seen that where it's a traffic stop and the cop just is pissed and they took your offense personally, especially on like a traffic thing. Why are you weaving in and out of traffic like an asshole? That's the attitude they came up to at the window. I've done it. I had a guy going 72. I've told this story in here before. 72 in a school zone, and I came up ready to motherfuck this guy. I'm like, what the fuck are you? And as soon as I got the fuck out of my mouth, I saw a butcher knife coming out of his back. My boy was trying to get to the hospital. So I I get it. Um, but that was that was my rookie year, and that was a lesson learned.

SPEAKER_13 59:03

I learned that's an important point you just made. You gotta take into consideration, you don't know what somebody's going through that day, yeah, what they've been through that week, what's going on in their life. Like that's why I always try to be be courteous. And like I told you last time I was on the podcast, I shake everybody, unless you have uh some sort of bodily fluid on your hand, I shake everybody's hand. It really, really sets the stage to have a good interaction. You know, you see those cops, I don't shake hands.

SPEAKER_03 59:32

I don't shake hands.

SPEAKER_13 59:33

Fucking off.

SPEAKER_03 59:35

Oh my god, I hate that.

SPEAKER_13 59:36

Disgusting. If I was your sergeant, like oh my god, you don't shake hands. At least offer a fist bump.

SPEAKER_03 59:43

Yeah, offer a fist bump, an elbow bump, whatever it is. Maybe you're a germophobe. Okay, I'm not gonna get on the officer too bad, but offer some solution. Don't just tell people I don't shake hands.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

You're in the wrong friggin' career if you're a friggin' germophobe. I'm gonna tell you that right now.

SPEAKER_03 59:58

Right, yeah. Yep, especially that back seat. Yep. Yeah. I I had Lysol cans on tap.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:07

That handshake sets the stage for a crash, I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:12

Yep, 100%. Um, let me go over the comments. I'm neglecting you guys over here a lot. Uh, we're just getting into this conversation so much. Um, Pike Piker Broadcasting Service. Cop let me go after clocking me at 85 on the highway, just told me to slow it down, just remain calm and respectful, told him I was trying to get my delivery done quick. Uh he said, I don't shake hands, but I do fist bumps. Yeah, see, I like there's there's compromise somewhere, but it it all it's also on how you say it. And every time you hear a cop say, I don't shake hands. Like, they say it like an asshole. I don't shake hands. I don't do that.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:50

I mean, imagine telling that to another person. Like, what are you are you a mutant or something? Like what? I don't shake hands. You do shake hands. If it was another cop, you'd shake his hand.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:01

I and I tell everybody too, I fuck, if you want a hug, I'll give you a hug. The only thing I will here's here's the I and I teach this to my daughters. If I hug you, you will never get underhooks as a hug. You will always hug me from above. I always get underhooks. That's just that's just the tactical mindset of a jujitsu practitioner. You'll never get underhooks on me. I make my daughters fight for it. So they're we're doing swim moves, like trying to earn the underhook. So it's fun. Yeah. Yep. Never give up your underhooks, y'all. Uh anyway, uh, I'm a hugger. And if you I don't know if you you never hugged uh banning Ryan, but oh my god, you want to talk about the best hug in the world?

SPEAKER_13 1:01:46

I mean, you you throw a blanket in with that, uh it's gotta be cozy.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

I mean a snuggy, you get a snuggy and banning together.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:53

Big spoon. Definitely big spoon.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:56

Oh, I don't know. You stay on this fast, I might not want to hug you anymore. Oh shit. Let's get to this video, shall we?

SPEAKER_16 1:02:06

You want to show me the law that says that? It is to be on to be on. I'm gonna tell you it's on the little minimum little minimum, take you on them, take a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:37

He's still right, by the way. He's everything he's saying, he's so right. All of it is right.

SPEAKER_16 1:03:01

What are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_15 1:03:25

You this is public property, you don't tell me what to do. Go back in your vehicle, go detail. Come off.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:34

I love it. I'm gonna I'm gonna finish playing it, but um the lunatic libertarian just asked a great question. What do you do? Excuse me. Uh what do you do when the individual exercises their Fifth Amendment right and does not engage in verbal communication? I don't do anything. I can't force somebody to talk, and if I don't have a legal reason to be there, deal if I don't have a crime, all right. I I'm out. There's nothing to do. Bandon, you got anything on that?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

This is one that I would have drove by on a cross street, saw what he was doing, and I would have continued on to the next property call.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:11

Yes, that's experience speaking, though. She does not please for the lo life of me, don't tell me this this girl's been in patrol longer than five years. I don't think she has.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:24

Well, like you said, she she was doing good there for a minute.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:27

Yeah, yeah. The first 30 seconds she was spot on.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:30

Like she got her uh she got roped in.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:34

And this dude, I'm sorry, like he is a pro. He's a pro at all the antagonist antagonizing words that he's saying because he's right. What what do cops do?

SPEAKER_13 1:04:47

Right, but but but if you're if you're a youtuber, right? This is what you want, yeah. Right, you want this, you're not gonna get any views if the cop says, Can I have your ID? Yeah, fuck off. Okay, sir, have a nice day, and you leave. That this is what this guy wants, and you can still try to keep the government in check, he's still doing that, but at the same time, if you're a YouTube type person and this is exactly what you want.

Women In Policing And Standards

SPEAKER_03 1:05:13

Yeah, I yeah, I I'll tell people this up front all the time. They're like, Well, you just do it for clicks and views. No, not at all. That does nothing for me as far as like because they think I do it to get money. Clicks and views don't I don't get I don't make anything from that. I'm guys, I'm not I'm not Joe Rogan, I'm not any of these other people that get millions and millions of views on stuff. But the show does depend on views. It we can't do what we do without people watching it, right? So it is a part of it. So I'm not gonna lie and tell you that that we don't like, yeah, we we're always trying to get our viewership up, that means we're doing the right thing. If it all of a sudden plummets off, then we're not doing the right thing. So I gotta adjust and pivot. But we've grown every year, so what we're doing is working, so we're gonna keep using this formula and having these conversations and talk. Uh so what do you got, Alan?

SPEAKER_14 1:06:06

So question why is it that we are seeing so many more uh female enter into law enforcement? You know, um, our buddy um has been putting a lot out there on you know, they shouldn't be qualified or they're causing an issue with agencies being a um a problem with all of the smaller builds or people that are overweight in law enforcement. But like I've noticed it seems like you know, we are getting a uh a vast more number of women joining law enforcement than it seems like we've had in the past.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:47

I think there's been a big push. Um, I know there's that what do they call it?

SPEAKER_14 1:06:51

30 by 30 by 30.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:53

Yeah, 30 by 30. I know there's been a big push for it. Again, I don't care. I don't care about that.

SPEAKER_14 1:06:58

No, I don't I don't either. I just know like our department right now, the one that um I'm reserved in is probably seven 70 percent female officers.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:07

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_14 1:07:08

Yeah, I mean it's a very it's a small department, but I would say it's you know 70-30 now. And so yeah, it's just interesting how that has come in the last uh you know two or three years.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

I I don't mind, I don't mind it. I just I just need you to be able to perform your job because I've had some badass females that have saved my bacon, so no pun intended.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:32

I'm gonna say this. I I I too, and I've said this before, I've had some some badass females on the shift with me or in a joining agency that came to assist. Um, and I've had some very weak males that have no friggin' business, and I can say that confidently to have that badge on. Um I'm sorry, but it that it goes frigging both ways. Here's the here's the here's the requirements. I don't give a crap what your your chromosomes are. If you either you make it the requirements or you don't. And if you're if you're uh a dude that can't make it, get out. If you're a female that can't make it, get out and find something else, or go and train and come back and do it again.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

Yeah. Um, I want to get to a Kingslayer because he dropped five bucks on super chat. Appreciate you, brother. Um, Kingslayer and I get into it all the time, by the way, on YouTube constantly. Yeah, it's so fun. Um, I hope you don't ever think I'm taking it as mean-spirited Kingslayer. I'm literally sitting back just having fun with it. So in a respectful way. But he said, she said, she say, come on then. That is her inviting him to fight. You can't invite someone to fight and be the first one to put your hands on somebody. I mean, that's fair. What do you got for that, Bany?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:53

Just why are we here? That's the whole thing. Is this never even this body camera footage would have never been seen if if we if we weren't uh above it? I don't know. It just it just kills me to see these videos still pouring in again in 2026.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:09

And she's she's calling them little man. I mean, obviously. Oh, yeah, she's a hundred percent in this battle.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:15

She's a hundred percent emotionally just wrapped up in it now. She's no longer logically thinking. She is this is all emotion.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:23

Um how do they not know, Eric? How do they not know at this point? I mean, my God, like I mean, I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:32

Um, Ariel dropped 10 bucks in a super chat saying, warning, in order to use your Fifth Amendment right, you need to invoke it first, officers. I'm invoking my Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. Being quiet is not enough. I'm not a lawyer. I think that's right. I think that if I can remember correctly, I think that's also correct. I do think you need to say that. Um I think I think that's right.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:58

So I'll just can I ask you a question real quick, just because it reminded me of something in Texas. Do you guys do the uh because we don't do this in Virginia? Uh I see the YouTube videos where the guy puts the license up against the window and says all I have to do is present it. I don't have to give it to you. That's that's not correct in Virginia. Uh have you seen those?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:19

Um, I have. I've I've I've had this conversation in Texas before. There's nothing the language is kind of vague. There's nothing that says they have to physically hand it to you. Um and I think for me, as long as I'm getting the information I need and it's not going to put me in some sort of physical danger, um, I just get the info. Just get it. Just hurry up and all right, cool, thank you. I'm not gonna make it a big deal. They're gonna try that's what they're looking for. They're looking for you to make that a big deal. I don't need to make it a big deal. What were you about to say, Benny?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:57

I was just gonna say, you know, if you're I hate to use it this way, but if you're with a decent agency that has a decent report management system, you can get that information that by law that you can have on a traffic violation. You can go back and verify on the on the DL photo or the driver's license photo upon running. And I mean, I've had people do it up to the window. And uh what's funny is it's sometimes it's an indication that tent is way too damn dark when you can't see. And I'll use my flash. I'm talking about even in the day. I I appease people as much, you know, as much as I can. Um there's only been a couple times to where, because it was a criminal offense prior to the traffic stop, to where uh that person was was removed from the vehicle, and then I had the I had the driver's license in my hand. But on traffic stops themselves, man, I can get enough through that window and go on my merry way to my next one.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:44

Yeah, um in Texas, this is the this is why I say it's vague, because it only says you have to display it. Now, like in Arizona, we talked to Frank Slope on his, and it says physically like inspect or something. Like they have to be able to physically look at the card. So there's uh a weird language that happens in Arizona where where they have to hand it over. Um and then Steve Wallace said, My understanding is that you have to present it for physical inspection when pulled over. Yeah, that's the Arizona language. In Texas, it just says display. Um so I don't know that anything out there is saying that you have to. Uh and again, why why press the issue?

SPEAKER_13 1:12:28

No, I agree. I just I I was curious because uh you see these trends that it just starts to become uh more and more of things that you run into. Like um, and that's why you know we've talked before. I'm so uh skeptical. Like YouTube is uh I think has done a lot of damage to the profession, you know. Not that we haven't done it to ourselves, but I was gonna say, I think we've done it to ourselves too. Sure, sure, sure, right? But like I you know how many people I hear screaming about you have to get your supervisor by law.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:59

Like yeah, no, you don't.

SPEAKER_13 1:13:01

You don't, right? But and so how many California? Yeah, how many people you know end up not complying over things they heard on YouTube, and it just ends badly for everybody, you know? Yeah, uh I know you guys have seen it. Shit that people hear on YouTube, and then they're screaming it at a traffic stop. By law, you have to get you by law, you have to give me your name and badge number. Yeah, you know, and then another one I heard recently is uh um by law, you have to get your supervisor here, and I don't have to show you shit until until they get here.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:33

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:13:33

I've heard you mention the traffic stop doesn't cease until the supervisor gets there, right? Um but again, these things get they get re you know uh recycled on YouTube and just put out there. It just doesn't help anybody. Like if if if we got to do better, which I agree we do, I just wonder if there's something we could do about about that because people they really but they believe this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:57

Yeah, it's it's a two it's a two-way street. They you know the public has to be willing to try to get better, and we have to be willing to try to get better, or it's not gonna work. Um but uh to Piker's um question here, he said, are officers trained to deal with sovereign citizens or auditors? Yes. Uh where I am, we are, but not all. I I think clearly I I think yeah, I was saying clearly, there's we show them a lot on here that they don't they don't get it.

SPEAKER_14 1:14:30

Um so we had an interesting question get brought to us. Uh I currently work for a mo major cell phone uh manufacturer, and when we were at Axon Week last week, Georgia state law has just um been voted in that within the next year that you will be have to be able to accept virtual IDs in the state of Georgia. And so when they present with a phone uh that has a virtual ID on it, you will now, as an officer, have to be able to have a device that will either accept Apple or uh Android, either way, and be you know, and you have to accept that virtual ID now. And so they were, you know, specifically wanting to know what our cure was for that, things like that. And so there's two or three companies out there that are enabling that for um doing that on your phone because Android does it one way and Apple does it a different, but um that's not something I've heard talked about in Texas yet, but uh it's on the books in Georgia. So it's kind of definitely coming up with a digital.

Traffic Stops Myths And Sovereigns

SPEAKER_03 1:15:41

I mean, we're already doing it with insurance, right? People show their insurance on their phone. It's just gonna be another I mean the whole yeah. The whole thing is you you just you gotta do your job. You gotta go verify that it's a real ID. It doesn't matter where it's coming from, somebody could write it down on a piece of paper. As long as the information comes back when I go check it, yep, yep, good to go. Yeah, we're fine. Um, and then Piker did follow up, and then I'm gonna press the video after this. Uh he said, What's your procedure on sovereigns? Um, basic procedure is pretty simple. You just don't get wrapped up in their stuff. That because that's that's the trap. They want to get you with all this paperwork and all this stuff. I don't accept any of it. I said, You were pulled over on a public roadway for this violation by law of the state because you're in a motor vehicle on a public roadway. Uh, you are required to give me your license, insurance, and you must have updated registration. Uh, if you don't want to give me that, then you can go to jail. Um, we're gonna get you out of the car, and that's what's gonna go down. Any arguments that you want to try to make, that you're uh traveling, you're free sovereign citizen, whatever it is you're trying to say, save that for court. That's where you make your argument. Um, and if you are truly sovereign, this is my little zinger I like to give them, is why'd you stop for me? If you're sovereign, why'd you stop? Why'd you stop? You obviously recognize my authority, so you stopped. Well, yeah, alright.

SPEAKER_13 1:17:04

I saw one the other day where the uh uh an officer pulled uh one over. Have you heard of a Moor?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:09

The Moors, yeah. That's another type of sovereign citizen.

SPEAKER_13 1:17:11

Yeah, it's also but the the chief came and he did accept all the information because he wanted to see it and see what it said. And he said, I'm a student of this. He's like, I'm a student of sovereign citizens. I love to learn about you guys, and so I don't know. Sometimes maybe it is good to accept it just so you can see what yeah, you know. Oh, I've I've got some they got some detailed stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:31

Yeah, they want to put liens on your property and all sorts of crazy nonsense. Yeah, but um I'm gonna fucking Alan's pushing buttons. How do you interact with the Amish who use a family certificate of live birth? No, I don't. And I've never had to deal with Amish people ever.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:49

Man, that that that prompted a uh Slim Gym commercial in my friggin' head. I don't know if you I don't know if you remember that or not.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:57

Yeah, yeah, what do you say?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:58

Yeah, greatness.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:00

I've never had to deal with it. So I got I got nothing. But um let me let me finish this video out here.

SPEAKER_16 1:18:06

First Amendment protective activity! I didn't say you couldn't get the f out of here! Uh this is my D. You can assault me now, call your you are coming up on me!

SPEAKER_15 1:18:16

Call your fing supervisor right now! Demanding a fing supervisor right now!

SPEAKER_16 1:18:21

You just assaulted me! You just put your hands on me that's extensive. Put your fing supervisor on me and now don't you fing told me? What are you gonna do? Get it again, that's gonna be the gun. Get out of the roadway. Get out of the roadway.

SPEAKER_17 1:19:54

Okay, you can come up on a mini.

SPEAKER_16 1:20:08

Okay, come on. That's totally right. Come on down. Okay then. I got documents and then you can't be recorded.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:26

Um we've we've discussed this at length, but it is on you, the officer, to protect that information, not on anybody that can see it from a public place. It's just like HIPAA. People getting all worked up about HIPAA and all that stuff. Like, your job is to protect the HIPAA information from public view.

SPEAKER_13 1:20:45

Right, but I I like the she's uh like she had nothing, so she's reaching there. Like you can't film in there. Like, this is just awful.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:53

She's looking for an excuse to be able to arrest him. I that's that's what I see. She's she wants something, a reason to arrest him. Now she's salivating. Yeah, in Texas, uh when that car was trying to get onto a public roadway, we have something called obstruction of roadway, which is class B misdemeanor. Um, but that doesn't exist in every state. So that is that that would have been a possibility for an arrest here if she really wanted it, but she is reaching.

SPEAKER_13 1:21:23

Um Yeah, and I don't know if you guys I I'm sure you noticed it. Uh he said, and I quote, I flew a long way to meet a cop like you. Yeah, this is this is this is what I wanted. Tim said it.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:35

He's a pro. Like Tim in the chat was like, This guy's a pro. Like you can hear it just for the way he's talking. Like he knows. He's he knows exactly what to say, what to do. And I I truly do get entertained by these guys and and watching cops just scramble. Because it really is an easy thing, and he told her how to get out of it. Her ego will not let her do it. Officers, if you're watching this and you're getting pissed off at what we're saying, and you think that this cops in the right, you're part of the problem. You you you can you have to be able to look at yourself and realize when your ego's been triggered. This is an ego play. And he's playing right on it. I thought I hit play. What is going on? This video won't not play now.

SPEAKER_16 1:22:40

Is that anything? I'm at your energy. I'm at your energy.

SPEAKER_17 1:22:43

Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, let's match it. Come on, let's match it. Can touch me.

SPEAKER_16 1:22:46

Can I touch you? I didn't push me in the car. Don't touch me. Touch me. Touch me. Touch me.

SPEAKER_17 1:22:58

Yeah, I'm not gonna do it. Come on, you're not even on the f road. That's a really nice word. I can't wait till you get the phone call.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:36

Okay. Oh now that you didn't want him to hear the round here, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:07

She didn't want it to be. She didn't want him to hear public.

SPEAKER_13 1:24:11

That would be a good time to leave.

SPEAKER_16 1:24:13

There's a supervisor in the mouth.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:18

Exactly what I told you to do this. I've cut over there for over an hour and a half to go.

SPEAKER_16 1:24:27

Okay, he'll blow the smoke up. No, I didn't. You can request it. You can request the public records if you want. I never requested them. They were already in the mouth. You clearly don't know how f it works around here.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:46

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:11

Um Ben Wilwyn said, uh, you should show his view. It's easy to get on his channel. Then you can really see all the mannerisms, facial expressions, shit talking, and batteries this five-foot deputy did to him. I don't I don't really think we need to. I believe you. We can hear it. I mean, I don't need to see the mannerisms to know that she's in the wrong all the way around.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:35

Seeing that this is what on April 3rd of this month. I if I were a betting man, I'd lay some money down that she's on administrative leave right now while they are doing a full internal affairs investigation and deciding whether or not this is going to be trainable or not, and then they're trying to figure out what the uh payout's gonna be uh on this. I mean, I know it's not the end of the video, I think we're nearing the end, but this is absolutely atrocious.

SPEAKER_13 1:26:02

Absolutely atrocious. Eric, uh my mom just messaged me, said to tell you she wants to smack that cop to get her to shut up.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:11

I see, mom knows. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, uh, and then the the pettiness of calling your supervisor once he's far enough away. Like, like, come on now.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:24

Um then, you know, let's let's let's double-edged sort of look at this. Let's say a supervisor arrives right now and he's there while this guy is circling. He doesn't have an update on the call, he doesn't know why she's out of her vehicle. There's a lot of things that he or she is not gonna know as a supervisor coming on at the scene. And then you're forcing him uh to to go into a possible true use force uh unjustified. Yeah, and it's it's it's oh it's it's horrible.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:56

Yeah, oh Kingslayer said she was reprimanded and returned to active duty. Uh yeah. I disciplinary-wise, like I I really hate getting into the disciplinary side of things because I'm I'm I'm heavy-handed. I'm heavy-handed. So she was shit-canned. Oh! Okay, yeah. See, that's what I say. I I'm pretty heavy-handed. I I know a lot of people, like, there's certain things for me, like this is a inherent personality trait. It doesn't matter what training you give this person, it's in them. I don't know how to explain that.

SPEAKER_13 1:27:41

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:42

Like, that is how they're built. So it's gonna happen again.

SPEAKER_13 1:27:47

Well, it's it's funny because like it the you know, the you only became a cop because you got picked on in high school, like it's it's a joke, but it's it's true. There are some people they they do it because they think nobody's gonna be able to fuck with them anymore. Right. Right? And if that's your attitude, that's why you're doing that, you're gonna end up like this. It's embarrassing.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:07

And then it just takes a pro to get under your skin, and and that's what's gonna happen here. So but yeah, um, Mike Cucumber said, no accountability. It's accountability if she got fired. That's that's good accountability right there. Um you know, and then the concern's always gonna be they're gonna get hired down the road at the next agency. Maybe. Um, I have seen agencies are getting a lot better at not letting that happen, but I would still love for there to be a national registry for f for law enforcement.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:41

Well, you know as well as I do, Eric, there's a new app going around for law enforcement in Florida that's actually going to, I believe, as it develops, going to put an end to that.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:52

Yep. Yep. If you guys know Nick off duty, he's got a great app out there for LEO uh recruitment. Um, and we're hoping that that will start to start getting the snowball effect for that national registry, because in a way it's kind of acting that way. Um and I I what I mean by the national registry idea, guys, for those who are like, what is he talking about? If a cop gets fired, doesn't pass his background into check, um, has some sort of criminal investigation, whether it was founded or not, um, all of these things are tracked. You're your your jacket, if you will, um, and kept for life. So if you do get fired, anytime you try to get hired at another law enforcement agency, the first thing that that background check should go to is that Nagel National Registry. If you're on there, it should be able to see exactly everything that was done uh involving you. Even if you're exonerated, they the background should still see that stuff. That's my opinion. If you want to be if you want to claim to be the higher standard and claim that cops are the higher standard, we're gonna live the higher standard. Well, damn it, you need to have the higher standard, and that's a part of it.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:08

We talked about this last time, and I I agree with you. There should be a registry. The the only issue I have is there have been cops who have been fired that did not deserve it.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:19

Political shit. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:20

Political shit. That's that's my only issue with it. Everything else, I'm I'm good with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:24

But in those cases, I I would hope that it the the writing's on the wall. You can usually see it. So you know, it and and that will give you that opportunity to you know, if an agency is going to look at you, maybe that'll help you out. But we need to do a better job of preventing that stuff, pop the political firings from happening. Um but uh Ariel dropped five bucks in the super chat. Thank you, Ariel. Uh appreciate you. He said being fired may be too far unless. She's had a history of this. Um when we when we start getting into character and personality trait issues that are inherently not law enforcement, which you want for somebody that swore an oath to the constitution and is essentially trying to violate somebody's rights. Um I I don't I don't agree.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:20

Was she fired?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:21

Is that yeah, as well, that's what Mr. Billfold said. He usually does pretty good research. Um, I haven't checked it out myself, obviously.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:28

So there there had to be something else then because as a born as that was fired over that.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:35

Uh I could see it. I could see it for sure. Um uh Piker said, so hold up. If she applies to a different agency, they won't see why she was fired. They can, I I think, I think they have the ability if they actually go and do the background check the way they're supposed to.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:53

Doing background checks myself in the past and then hiring officers is you know, the state of Texas has a law in place that's been in in an act for years, even before I got into law enforcement. Um, but now it's a it's a another checkbox that these background investigators have to do. So if I'm if I'm looking at Eric as an applicant for ABC Police Department, he's coming in and get hired, and he used to work at DEF Police Department, and that's the only other agency he's worked for, um, and then maybe the military before that, I'm gonna go to the DEF police department and you physically go there and you look at available records. Now, if this never went through internal affairs, she was never written up on it, uh, et cetera, and they said you can either leave or be terminated, and no supervisor documented it unless a FOIA and somebody gets a hold of this video that we're watching, uh, then yes, you're absolutely correct. They're they're not gonna find out and they are gonna skirt under the lines. But Texas, Tico, which is our commissioning law here in the state for all of our peace officers, is truly trying to make that better to where they're making these background investigators truly have to look into this applicant to where we can avoid more of those problems in the state of Texas.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:11

Yeah. Um, Project said, uh, can she be fixed? Question mark. Um, some cops can come back after this with retraining, but if I were her sheriff, I'd fire her. And and that I find more often than not, they don't come back from stuff like this.

SPEAKER_13 1:33:28

That was a good question. I agree with you. It's very hard to rectify that type of behavior. Yep, like you said, it's just in that it's just it's in them, it's in them.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:37

Yeah, you have to have a come to Jesus, uh epiphany of your life to change some of that stuff, um, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_13 1:33:48

So I think that's a great question, whoever asked.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:51

Yeah, that was Project 1868. Um, said that. And then Mr. Billfield is yeah, like this is one of my favorite words. Uh it's probably the most important word in my life to me, because I I have a way that I look at it. But he said, She is back to serving the community with integrity and courtesy, air quotes, according to her department. Um, and the word is integrity. So, integrity to me is doing the right thing even when nobody's watching. Like, that's the way I learned that word, and it just resonated with me. And I always think of that like, you know, are you always like, is that in the back of your mind? Are you doing something differently because you think nobody's watching? And you know, you you see you catch your kids doing that shit when they're little, like you know, you see them look around, they're like, Oh, nobody's looking, I'm gonna grab this cookie, and you know, like you're only doing that because you think nobody's watching, so you gotta start instilling that integrity into them. So uh it's a big part of the Air Force. Um we you know we talk about integrity all the time in the Air Force, and so I I really like that word. Uh, I think words have some power, and integrity has a lot of power with me. Uh Mike said it doesn't set a good example for the rest of the department if she were to remain. She did the wrong thing even when being watched. Right. And that's a great point, too. Now she's gonna get put back, and now all the other officers are gonna basically be like, I can do whatever the fuck I want now because look what she did, and she got to do what she got to come back.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:30

Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:31

You know, like you gotta set a standard, you got a precedent and a standard. Like, I'm if I'm the boss, like no, you represent me. If I'm the top dog, if I'm the sheriff, you represent me and the people that I hire. So yeah, Andy said a cop at five foot man better be a badass. A five-foot woman better be a double badass. Yeah, five foot is short. Yeah, so um, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:01

I'm I'm just gonna say something. I love to have short cops because sometimes when we're going into a house, maybe it's uh an investigation, nobody's answering the door, there's a weird smell, you can go in your mind on where you where you think it is, and uh, and you get the the the the okay to enter the house, it's great to grab a five-foot officer and throw them through a bathroom window instead of breaking down a door if you come up to him. I'm just saying, I mean there's a there's a place for everybody in this country. Uh and if you're a five-foot cop, you were amazing at that. And I there's a lot of them that are probably watching this that I've worked with that, yeah, that son of a bitch did throw me through a freaking window. Now I know why. Yeah, it's a lot easier than me trying to freaking get up there and get through the window and break the freaking foundation of the house.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:39

And and let's be very clear. We mean consensually throwing them through a window, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:45

Uh yes, yes, consensually.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:48

All right. Um I I'm gonna leave that video. That's that's pretty much all we need to see on that. I got some other videos uh that I would like to bring up. Um so one of the things that we do, if you're not familiar, I know we got a lot of new faces on here tonight. I put out a lot of shorts and reels. You guys see them all the time. The shorts in the reels are made to create conversation. I can't get into an in-depth uh how we feel and what we know about the case and all that stuff, because that's not how shorts and reels work. 90 seconds or less, that's pretty much all the time you got uh to get your point across uh and the video. Because I think three minutes is the cap. So the whole point of those is we get conversation going, we see which ones take off and what people really want to talk about, and then we bring them up on the show and we go more in depth on them. So that is kind of the point. It is not uh as somebody recently threw out some shade and was like, Oh, you're just doing this for clicks and views. I'm like, you just don't understand our system and how we do what we do. So I'm going to explain it to you. This is why we do what we do with our shorts and reels. Uh with that said, I'm gonna switch. We've we've dwelled on this video long enough. I think we've discussed at length auditors and how we feel about that and all that stuff. So let's go to some of our shorts and reels that we've got going on, and we're gonna discuss those. Um so I'm gonna share the screen here.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:20

Where's it at? Share screen. Performance warning. All right. We're gonna ready to watch.

Taser In Water Done Right

SPEAKER_03 1:38:31

I I don't know. I just got this performance warning. I was like, what the hell? I've never seen that before. Uh okay. So we're gonna single-handedly one of the best pieces of police work you're gonna see this year. I'm gonna go back. Yeah, one more time. It goes really quick. Single-handedly, one of the best pieces of police work you're gonna see this year. Okay, so what you're gonna hear here, you're gonna hear these little pop noises. That's the new sound of the taser. The taser doesn't sound like it used to sound anymore. The new tasers of the tens, they can shoot up to 10 shots. Um, cops don't have to worry about it in water. It doesn't mess with you like it used to. It's all insulated, I guess that's the word. Um, so cops won't get shocked. Uh, so this cop had good training, remembered it, and decides to use a taser on a man that did have a gun. He ran from a domestic, and obviously they had some sort of standoff with him in the water, and then they move in. Um, so I'm gonna play that one more time. And then they end up pulling him out of the water. It's pretty uneventful after that. That's why I didn't show a whole lot of it. Um but we'll stop sharing that. So, yeah, the background on this, this guy ran from a domestic, uh, had a gun on him. I don't I apparently it wasn't in his hand because it sounds like they dug it out of his clothes or something like that, which is makes sense why they went with a taser. And so then the questions start being raised like, why would you use a taser against a gun? Like I said, this was some heroic shit. This doesn't happen. Nine times out of ten, what ends up happening in this scenario? Dude gets shot. So to me, if you want to talk about I don't think because you wear a badge, you're automatically a hero. You need to do some heroic shit to be a hero. That was some heroic shit. They fired that taser, they didn't waste any time, they ran right to the water to go save his ass, because you do have a drowning risk. And they moved in, disarmed him, didn't throw any punches, didn't do anything other than just get him, just grab a hold of him. And they pulled him out of the water, no harm to him other than getting tased. That sucks. Uh got him under arrest, and the dude's gonna live to see another day. That that is amazing, and that's the type of police work we need to highlight. This is if we're gonna if we're gonna point out the bad stuff, which is what we've been doing on this last video, we also need to point out the good stuff and explain why it's good.

unknown 1:42:01

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:02

Now, like I said, I'm not a fan of using a taser against a uh lethal force option that the the bad guy has, unless I've got lethal cover. I'm just going to give these guys benefit of the doubt. Somebody was covering them with lethal force. Um, but they all used teamwork, they didn't hesitate, they moved right in like they should, uh, which we've seen so many tasing videos where they tase them and they just watch. And you're like, get overall and stuff. Like they're just giving commands, nobody's moving in to cuff, and there's like three officers standing around. Like, that's your opportunity. As soon as you tase them, the other guys should be moving in to handcuff them. So, this is a great example. I want officers that don't get the best training. Look at this shit. This is what you want your cops to do. They did not hesitate. This is like I said, it's heroic shit. And then getting your gear wet, fuck. That's the worst.

SPEAKER_13 1:42:56

Yeah. Well, I don't know if you got that that flood video I sent you. It absolutely is the worst.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:02

Yeah. Uh the flood video.

SPEAKER_13 1:43:06

Yeah, I don't he might not have got it. I did you just no, I sent it to you a while back. Oh, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:14

I thought you meant right now.

SPEAKER_13 1:43:15

A mom and her her her kid were on top of the car. You know how when they start to go under, they climb on top of the car. Yeah. Um, it was it was crazy. Um, and uh, we were able to get him out of there. We had this crazy flood. I don't know what what happened that it never happens where we're at, but it it did this night. And uh car went under, and we got we were able to get the mom and the kid out of there, but just to your point, like everything gets ruined. Yeah, I'm surprised my body camera, you know. I know it can take a little bit of of you know wet, you know, rain under the going submerged.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:51

Yep, yep. Yeah, yeah. That was to me, that was badass police work there. And I love showing that stuff. So again, I know we got a lot of new people on today, which is awesome. It means people are sharing the word. Um, this is not an echo chamber for police, but it is also not a just bash police. We we want to be fair and even across the board. I need you to see, I think it's very important to see the good police work. One, it it gives you some confidence that there are cops out there doing the right thing and doing good. And then two, it helps other agencies that don't get the best training because I have had people reach out over and over and over. I never knew how to we were never taught that about dealing with the first amendment auditor. We were never taught that about uh moving in on a tasing within the first five seconds. Like you'd never know the quality of training other departments are getting. I'm spoiled. I'm in a rich ass fucking department.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:46

Uh you have to look at the majority of police departments across the United States. They're the majority, if you take the numbers of everything, uh the rural ones are a lot more. Yeah, um, and those are departments literally from I've I've seen to where you'd have a chief, and he's also the patrolman, he's the bailiff, he's everything in that small town, all the way up to maybe a small five to ten man agency.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:08

Um and those are that's the majority across this country. Yeah, we have a lot of big cities and a ton of cops in in those cities, but look at the population in a whole, and our you know, we call them tier four, tier fives, and then the private world of the size of those agencies, and that's that's the mountainous number across the country.

Cops In Other Countries Clips

SPEAKER_03 1:45:23

Yep. Um, so all right, let's go to the next video. Um these are the these for some reason are the most popular. I get why they're popular because they're very short, they're easy to get through them real fast. Um, but I'm gonna preface this. I started a series called Cops Do It Better in Other Countries. All right. So the point of it, if you just look at the face value, it looks like we're saying, oh, look at these third world countries, look at these other countries. They don't, they're way worse than American cops. So what are you bitching about? That's not what we're doing. I know it looks that way, and I can understand why you feel that way. What we are truly doing is we're trying to help out other countries. We have had a lot reach out to us and say, hey, can you put exposure on these cops or other cops from their own agencies? I'm not gonna say who have sent them and go like this guy's a douche, we don't want him. They didn't say douche, but it's what they're telling me. Uh this guy's a douche, we don't want him on our department. He represents us poorly. Look at this video. Can you share it? They want exposure and they want pressure from outside countries to put on their own country to make their policing better. So that is why we do it. And yes, I try to put a humorous spin on it because I don't want to just shit on other countries, but now that you know the reason why we do it, um, I'm gonna share.

SPEAKER_13 1:46:45

Very eye-opening.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:47

Yeah. Um shit, where did it go?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:53

Show it. There we go. All right, well, biggie size this one.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:00

So you think cops do it better in other countries? 141. All right. Now, could you imagine if we did that over here?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:21

I thought he was launching a five-foot officer into a window, but I can't watch it.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:25

Uh, ten points, uh, Ryan, if you can name what show that was from, where you hear the guy get thrown out the front door.

SPEAKER_13 1:47:33

Uh why is it on the tip of my tone here? Uh bro, why did you have to put me on the spot? I know it. Just go ahead. I know I know it.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:44

Fresh Prince, bro. That's jazz. All right. Uncle Phil didn't like jazz, so he'd always throw them outside. That's right. That's right. Such a great part.

SPEAKER_13 1:47:54

Um, that was uh that was one of the more mild ones you have. Yeah, yeah. Like, there's been some craziness that you show. It's yeah, out of control.

Handcuffed Force And Duty To Intervene

SPEAKER_03 1:48:04

But yeah, so but you can see like they just want to be treated better. And uh that one was sent to me. I didn't find that. I I really have a big crowd in Brazil that sends me a lot of stuff ever since because they love it, they love knowing that an American channel is sharing their stuff, so it because they want it to get better. Um, but yeah, so that's why we do that. So I just wanted to share that one. It's got kind of a little, it's kind of funny. Uh King Pomegranate said fresh print, see? You guys know it. That's what's up. So I try to put a little a little humor on some of this stuff, guys. Um, but all right, let's go. This one is uh this is a controversial one, so I'm gonna share this one again.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:53

Show we will biggie size this guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:00

When are we as cops gonna learn? Looks like you got some sort of entertainment district with bars. So I'm gonna pause this. I'm gonna go crack and I'm gonna tell you kind of the things that I'm looking at as a use of force person when I'm I'm seeing this. And I I discuss it in the video, but the the basic premise, um, the background that we know on this story is this kid was fighting. I I even speculated because I didn't know the story when I first saw the video. They're in an entertainment district, and uh they're in an entertainment district, and he had gotten in a fight. So, you know, everybody's drunk partying, doing it's just that's what happens in these areas. And it's Savannah, Georgia, I believe it is. Savannah, something, something like that. And he was already under arrest, and they had him in one car, and they were trying to get him into a different car. So that's where you're this is where this is picking up. They're trying to put that guy into another vehicle after they got him out. But when they got him out of the first vehicle, according to the report, he was being difficult. And him being difficult is why they ended up one guy ended up filming. This guy started filming because the guy was being an asshole to the cops. So they get him out, and then you see what we see. You see the officer standing behind him, officer kind of just dumps him to the ground, and then my biggest problem with this is if this guy was a threat, he was an issue. What do we always do with somebody that's a threat and an issue? As soon as we get him to the ground, we're on top of them, we roll them over, we get them in a position that they can't do anything dumb. That's not what happened here. They slam him to the ground. This this young Thundercat here, uh, slams him to the ground and then just admires his work. He just stares at him. Yeah, no other officer jumped on him because they might not have seen anything or seen what he saw. Um, but he just he gets over top. That's what he's doing right now. He's just standing over top of him. No problem with him. And look, look, he's doing nothing. I'm like, now if this guy is not a cop, because I don't see any patchwork on him, that doesn't mean he's not a cop. It says police on the back. Um, but that ponytail is crazy.

SPEAKER_13 1:51:35

I think that's look at that guy though. He wants to hurt somebody. Look at him. Like, just look at him.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:41

I mean, he's just an asshole. And to me, like that is what really hurts me is nobody else moved in, nobody intervened, nobody even tried to separate him. Like, if if I'd have been there, the first move I would have been like, oh shit, like get this guy up, dude. You okay? Like, and get him away from this guy because he's obviously got a problem.

SPEAKER_13 1:52:04

They're probably thinking, I don't I don't want any part of this. This is gonna go bad. This is gonna end up on two cops, one donut.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:13

You know, right? So, yeah, see, all right. Now there was a lot of Royd Rage comments that were brought up. Listen, y'all, he's pretty young, dude. Like, that doesn't look like Royd's, he may have anger management problems, but don't lean into the Royd thing so quickly. I've seen dudes on Royds, this ain't it. I don't think I could be wrong, but Royd guys are it looks like a douche problem. Yeah, yeah, that's where I'm going with. He's just a fit douchebag that I'm sorry. And and when I went into the video, one of the things I said is when you're cuffed, you're a protected class now. If there was a reason to go hands on with you, we should have done that before the cuffs. Got on. But once the cuffs are on, you dust them off, you make sure they're good to go, even if they're being pricks.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:01

Yeah, he's a he's a he's a beach cup. I mean look at his legs, he he trains all week on his upper. If we're just looking at this card for card, yeah, I mean he's he's not doing leg day. I'm sorry. It's just yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:13

Um King Braveheart, which that's a cool name. He said, uh, there are cops that have psychological issues and they throw people to the ground and hold guns. But media says they were investigated with no wrongdoing. It happens. Um does happen. Uh from what I saw, the video started because the officer hit the guy's head off a door pillar. Um yeah, I read that too. I did read that too, King Slayer. I just don't I forgot that point. You're right. Um, I don't know how true that is. We don't have video of it. Um, but based on what we're seeing, it doesn't seem like it'd be too far from the truth.

SPEAKER_13 1:53:56

Um look look at him. Yeah, he's he's he's trying to see who who admired his handiwork there. I mean, he's looking around.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:05

Who's you know now that you mention it, that is kind of the vibe I'm getting. Like he's looking at his boys in blue, and they're like, You guys see what I do. And when you see everybody else's body language, they're like, fuck, right, like immediately, uh fuck. That's what they're doing, and I don't blame him. Everybody think I'm cool now? Nobody thinks he's cool. But the problem is, is no other officer stepped up. That's a problem.

SPEAKER_13 1:54:31

I know. I just kind of feel like in the moment, nobody wanted to touch that, you know, like they didn't like this is gonna be bad. Yeah, but I get what you're saying, but like kind of like when when you can't process it right away, like you just don't want to go near it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:47

It just Yeah, yeah, I get that. It does sometimes it takes a second. Um, if you're in good practice, uh I'm in great practice of it. First thing you would have heard out of my mouth is like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, I would have yelled it and I would have tried to take care of that guy. Like, dude, you good? And then once I get this guy his medical attention that he's gonna need, because he probably just broke both of his wrists, you know. There is the whole and and the crazy part is he's he actually says while he's on the ground, he's like, dude, I'm handcuffed. He's like, What are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 1:55:19

And the big thing in this, there's and I've seen a ton of cops like this. Um, and I'm all for working out and lifting and and having an edge so you can go home at the end of the night. But when you're using your power or whatever you want to call it, yeah in this manner, for one, you don't have a reason to be a cop, two, you're gonna run into somebody bigger than you someday. I have done it, and they are gonna fold you up like a freaking pretzel. Yeah, and sometimes that's what it takes if this is not addressed, uh, to realize that you're not always the biggest, baddest guy in the room and stop freaking acting like a total cheech on that man. That's yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:55

We all know this guy. I mean, when when he was uh a rookie, you know he asked around, what do I have to do to get into any unit where I can dress like this? We all know, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:07

Yeah. What side of town's got all the all the action? That's the first thing. Where's all the action in it?

SPEAKER_13 1:56:14

That dude came out tonight to do that to that guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:18

Me looking at it, if you look at all the uniforms there, uh to me, it wouldn't be surprised if he's working an off-duty bouncer and he's just trying to kind of throw it around, uh taking this guy to the car or whatever.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:28

I mean, to me, I almost thought too. Do you guys have special police?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:32

What type of special? Easy. I mean, uh, there's some special ones out there. I've seen them.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:39

Yeah, so like in Maryland and DC, and I think some places in Virginia, you can be uh a security guard that's designated as special police. So you're not really a cop, but you get to wear all that shit with the it says police on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:54

You're like a I know what you're talking about. That we have security guard levels, but they can't wear police.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:59

Yeah, so you can in like DC. It's big in DC. So like um you're a security guard, but you can wear police, but you only have your powers on the property. You have very you have like limited arrest powers, but you can still wear like what this guy's wearing. It might be that because I don't know, he just looks a little too b-bagged to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:20

In Texas, yes, you can you can have the same thing, you got to be on your property and you have that sort of arrest powers, but you can't wear police. There's no way you still got to be designated as security guard. Um, but yeah, so on this one, I just wanted I wanted people to see you know the way that we view this. Um now I do go on to tell people, I say it in the video too. Are there instances when a use of force on somebody handcuffed is justified? A hundred percent. It exists, but like I said, you'll know it when you see it. I have seen people with that are handcuffed that are able to get a knife, able to get the officer's gun. I we shared that video on here. Um, it was able to get the officer's gun and start shooting. Uh, so like there's definitely instances. There's people that can get their cuffs up to the front of them, and now they're a real problem. So, yeah. Are there times when when you can use force on somebody in cuffs? Just because they're in cuffs doesn't necessarily mean they're totally untouchable.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:22

Articulated and justified are the only reasons.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:24

Yes, it just has to be reasonable. This was not reasonable.

SPEAKER_13 1:58:27

Now, that guy has a small army behind him, and the guy's handcuffed. What are you doing, bro?

SPEAKER_03 1:58:33

Like, yeah, I know exactly like you've got eight cops surrounding you, and you felt the need that you had to chuck this dude to the ground who can't catch himself, and then you just stand over him and pose like a fucking truck. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:48

Oh, Mr. Bill Fold. I know you're probably in the background running a rap sheet on this dog. Friggin' uh, what was the outcome of this video?

SPEAKER_03 1:58:56

Yeah, right. I I and that's the thing from uh the research that I found. I I don't know that anything's been done. I think the video started going viral. Where was it? Recently, this was out of Savannah. I think Savannah, Georgia. I just remember it saying Savannah. I don't think there's too many savannas out there. So um but yeah. Uh I'm not saying.

Winter Crash And Calm Police Work

SPEAKER_05 1:59:25

But yeah. So uh let me go to the next one here. Um what's this one? Oh yeah, that's just another.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:36

Um this was this I really like this video, so we're gonna be doing this one. Being in a cop in winter states can suck. This one's a really long video. That's why I spit it up.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:08

I was coming to slow down. I wasn't swimming. I was going like 40. Hold on one second.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:14

I don't think you're going 40, dude. I think you're going a little faster. Uh your truck's fucked up. It takes a lot to damage a truck like that.

SPEAKER_13 2:00:22

Bro, for that MDC to come off its rack, yeah, it's crazy. Clipped in, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:28

Do you understand where the the kill line is for that battery cutoff on a rear end? Uh, that's a pretty hard impact.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:35

Yeah. So that whole car just went dead. And I give this cop a lot of props of the calmness. Like, I think that was the cool part. She stayed very calm. Um, but zero hesitation going from a dead radio and realizing her car was dead automatically right over to her handheld, which she's probably wearing a lapel mic or something like that. So I thought that part was really cool. This is good police work. Like, you can see somebody that just did not get rattled by this. This is something that they're used to. Um, and then the humanity side of it. Like, one, I know that this, I know that this guy's nature is exactly how he's acting. He would have done this no matter who he hit, but he hit a cop. It's like the oh shit, oh fuck factor is probably running triple time uh on this. And we'll keep going. So it goes more into his character. He's the first person he calls is his wife. Let him know, like, this is what happened. So the point that I wanted to get out of this video is one great work by the cop. Um, awesome by the citizen. Not you know, neither one of these guys took this personal. It was just all a great human interaction all the way across the board. I'm an optimist guy, so if you're not into optimistic people, like you're gonna see this a lot on the show. I like optimist scenarios. So I love I love all of that. And and what one of the points I'm trying to make is like road rage is a serious thing. There's been if you look at the uptick of road rage shootings across the nation from 2015 till today, they just I mean, it's like almost a straight line up. So people try to be a lot more compassionate and caring out on the freeway. Look out for other people. If they're using their blinker, just remember, everybody's going through their own stuff. Just try to try to stay in your own lane, no pun intended. Don't don't get angry behind the wheel. And this was a good example. Nobody getting angry, everything working, you know. Nobody did this shit on purpose, nobody wants to wreck their car.

SPEAKER_13 2:03:07

It goes back to the humanity you were talking about earlier. Like, you gotta remember that a lot of people, they're not they're not like us. They're they're not used to seeing crazy shit all the time, you know. So you like I could see this going another way, you know, depending on the cop you hit, we're we're a mixed bag of nuts, right? This could have gone completely the other way. I could see a cop getting out of the car and starting to, you know, giving the business, but it didn't happen. And this is this is a good example of how it should go down.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:35

Yeah. Um, Marine Blood said, My question is, does her cruiser have a rear-facing camera and rear facing radar? Would be interesting to know his actual speed. More than likely, radar wasn't on. But probably does have a rear facing camera.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:49

And even if that radar was on, unless she was there to physically lock that speed, yeah. It's it's not gonna, it's not gonna hold. And there is probably a what we call uh compartment or or or inmate or prisoner cam, whatever you want to call it, that keeps uh an eye on the people in the back seat that sometimes gives a sh a little shot out of the back window.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:08

Yeah. Mike Cucumber, she had to get ID. In this, yeah, she does have to get ID, bro. Legally, yeah, she does. Everybody's got to give ID on this one.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:19

Mike has got to be laughing right in that comment. Mike is funny because it was a good one.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:25

Uh you're damn right. I'd be getting that ID too. Uh let me see. Is there any other question? Uh there's uh, but yeah, okay. So, yeah, great interaction on that one. Let me uh go back.

Door Slam Bodycam Outrage

SPEAKER_05 2:04:40

Let me see if we got any. What's this one? Oh, not that one.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:45

Oh my god, this one pissed me right the fuck off. Yeah, you guys. Okay, I don't know if you guys saw this video, but yeah, it fucking angered me.

SPEAKER_10 2:04:59

So with your head covered like crazy knuckles, man. Oh Lord, yeah, oh yeah, I'm on camera. I'm on camera. Hell no, hell no, hell.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:10

I thought this was fake. I thought this was AI. I did not think this was real, but this shit is real. So you see, we're having a difficult arrestee in the back, not complying necessarily, and your boy drags him out and shuts the door on his head, and then claims it was an accident. He didn't do it intentionally. He thought that his head had fallen underneath the car, so he was trying to shut the door. But I know that's bullshit. Yeah. And from what I understand, he got away with it. What I can see is that the suspect. Let me go back. Watch it one more time. So you guys approach on this one.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:02

Oh yeah. I'm on camera. I'm on camera. Hell no, hell no, hell no. You're doing it to yourself.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:11

Isn't that crazy? Unfucking believable. Yeah, that one uh that one pissed me off.

SPEAKER_13 2:06:22

I while we catch the heat.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:25

Like people wonder, you know, there's a a great saying that people put on our um some of our videos is like there is cops earning their hate again.

SPEAKER_13 2:06:36

It's on every video almost.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:39

Like, how do you not how do you disagree with them when they see that stuff? It's a and and this is it's crazy. Why the shit is that?

SPEAKER_01 2:06:50

And then nobody's gonna FOIA and or show uh somebody stopping and and uh going to buy meaning the officer going to buy a gas can, filling it up on their own personal card and coming back out and helping a family and go down the road. You know, that doesn't uh that's that's people aren't aren't unfortunately with the with the way the algorithms are and then the way you build your algorithms yourself on YouTube, it's not gonna it's not gonna get clicks and likes and a lot of comments. It's uh hey, thanks for your service, maybe, and uh very very little people watching it.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:23

But on shit like this, dude, it's like how do you if he didn't get anything for this and they said that it they they went with the it was an accident like how do we fix that? Like that's the real conversation between us as cops. Like, how the fuck do we fix this?

SPEAKER_13 2:07:43

It's I don't know, man. It's it's later leadership for one. Yeah, I I fear that I mean unless you take the human aspect out of it, there's always gonna be guys like this. Like, no matter how much we try to make it better, I do think it's getting better. Like, there's been a lot of improvements, you know. It's always getting better in my because of channels like this, but you're always gonna have dum-dums, like no matter what. Like, I it it's I don't think it's it you're able to eradicate this problem completely.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:16

Yeah, like what do you think? I mean, I I just for me I would for just one time would love to see you know another cop come out of the the woodwork and like what the fuck, you know, just hold him accountable on some I've seen some, I've seen some video like the the video of the the female officer that gets like choke slammed by the sergeant, uh you know, like I everybody kind of immediately moved in, but they didn't quite like for me. I'd have been like, Are you kidding me? I would have grabbed that sergeant by his face and threw him to the ground. Like you're in dumb, she was being assaulted.

SPEAKER_13 2:08:53

She was really trying to help him too. Yeah, like justifiably so she was trying to keep him from losing his job, and yeah, you know, doing what we're trained to do.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:03

We are told, like, if you see another officer losing his temper, like intervene, get in between them, say hey, sir. Yeah, and and the fact that like I understand why we don't arrest cops on scene because it can fuck a case up because it's a different animal when it comes to police and what they see in the way the investigation goes, and it's a side the citizens don't see, and I understand why they don't agree with it because they want to see that instant justice that a citizen would get. Yep, but all too often, when you jump too fast on a cop, they get off on these technicalities because you fucked up the investigation.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:42

Most of the time, you're gonna be able to seal the case on that officer if you don't arrest on scene, and I'll explain why. Is the the comments and communications that come from the suspected officer after the fact. What was his mindset? Who's he talking to, what's going on when he when he briefs with his sergeant, corporal, whatever. Um Ray Just A statements just going down. Oh, that guy or girl had it coming to him. Well, now you're establishing what your true mental clarity was when you were on that call and you did that act. So a lot of the times you you're gonna be able to seal that case and actually be able to put somebody like that behind bars uh once once you can reach that level. It just really helps.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:26

Yeah. Um Kingslayer uh said that he looked into this one. Uh the civil courts found no wrongdoing. The prosecutor said he thought police justice is done in civil court, admitted he will never take a cop to criminal trial, and PD okayed it. Yeah, that is insane to me. And this is exactly why we do this show to try to bring exposure to shit like this and hope other cops see it and go, I don't want to be that. Like, that's the best we can we can hope for because how the like I don't understand. I don't understand how somebody can get away with something like that at all. I just don't get it. But um somebody on LinkedIn said, What was his excuse? He was cleaning his door and it just went off. I didn't read that before I put it up there either. I'm glad I didn't. That's hilarious. Uh it's crazy. It is crazy. Um so let me.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:25

I don't know if I had more videos. Um yeah, I do. I do have one more. At least one more. Give me one second. Show this one.

SPEAKER_13 2:11:44

Eric, I'm gonna drop out just for a second.

ATM Takedown And Fear Policing

SPEAKER_03 2:11:47

Roger that. Okay. Did this cop go too far? I'm sorry, I'm kind of leaning heavy into the cop's bad police work today. I did show some good ones, but it's been a lot of crappy police work videos I've been watching lately. So did a cop slam a man on the ground for kicking an ATM?

SPEAKER_11 2:12:06

This is the middle black subject by the ATM was kicking it. Uh black and green pants, maybe white shoes.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:38

Slams them up against the car.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:43

You don't do you don't do that type of shit. You understand? You use your words.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:48

I'm gonna I'm gonna pause it right there. You're gonna use your words. After you use no words, slam this dude. I'm gonna go back because I want you to see what I saw. And this is like again, as as looking at use of force. When this guy gets contact made with him, he's got his hood up, he doesn't see this cop coming in, and you can see him look back. And the way his facial expression is is a look of who the fuck has me? Because this guy does not announce police at all, and you know he didn't see him. So put your fucking hand. So look, his back's to the cop. He's looking down in his text.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:41

Put your fucking hand!

SPEAKER_03 2:14:44

That's a look of who the fuck has me? Look at his hands out, like what is going on? So this is why I thought his hood was up because somehow. It gets up over his head while he's in a struggle. Um so all of this for an off view misdemeanor. If it even really happened, you got what? Criminal mischief, maybe? And if it fucking took your card, like I get it, I'd be pissed off too.

SPEAKER_13 2:15:16

I commented on this when you first posted it. I mean, it's ridiculous. I heard some people say, you know, in his mind, maybe he thought it was some sort of a robbery or something like that. I I don't know, man. It just it's he was out of control. Uh for kicking an ATM machine, we're gonna do all this. Right. I don't like we're not gonna have questions. You know me. I hate to, if I'm not there, I hate to pass judgment, right? Like that's one of the things that you and I used to kind of debate about. Um, but at the same time, like you gotta kinda now nowadays you really, really have to try to keep a level head, you know, yeah, and and not do things like this. I mean, he's absolutely out of control at this point, and then use your words as wild to me, bro. Like, that's that's some shit I tell my son when he's acting up. Use your words, he's speaking to a grown man, anyways.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:15

Yeah, so um, I'm gonna give a shout out to Ariel. He dropped five bucks on the super chat. Thank you very much. It says uh that ATM was assaulted and felt violated, so the officer had to use proper force to stop the crime.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:27

Um I I've been in pursuits with big trucks with a chain on the back that have an ATM literally attached to it, go for miles down the road, get up to highway speed, and once we get stopped, it's a little bit of paint chips, no dents in it. A lot of these ATMs are made with a gauge of called AR-500 steel, and that's to prevent intrusion. And I'm sorry, but that young man that got taken to the ground right there, him kicking it is not gonna cause any type of frigging uh uh damage that's monetary in value of whoever owns the ATM. A lot of these ATMs are contracted out. I've kicked an ATM because it's taken my card. I'm like, hey, you little son of a bitch. Give me back out. And I'm like, all right, here we go. I got my card back and went to a different ATM. And then if that wouldn't have worked, I'd have called the 800 number on there and be like, hey, your freaking machine's getting my card.

SPEAKER_13 2:17:17

King Pomegranate. And I'll just say how like it's amazing uh what banning knows. How do you know what kind of steel an ATM is?

SPEAKER_01 2:17:26

I I'm uh plethora of useless knowledge in my head. So great though.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:32

Um King Pomegranate said machines finally have more rights than humans. Got me laughing. Um, so yes, let's let's get into the educational side of this officers. If everything's a threat assessment, right? Even if you got and this one of the things I always tell people is how often are the call details 100% accurate?

SPEAKER_13 2:17:55

True. Almost almost never.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:58

And most of the time, you know, you're told it's a person wearing a white shirt and blue pants, and you get there and it's a person wearing an orange shirt and yellow pants, and you're like, fuck, you know, and can even if dispatch is giving the officer, let's just call it his or her opinion being a dispatcher on what they received on the call, and then they also have to, you know, is the person reasonable and prudent the person calling or summoning the police. We as peace officers, once we arrive on steam scene, we have to we have to be able to justify is whatever force I'm about to use, if any, is is justified. And man, I'm sorry, I got lots of issues with this.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:43

Yeah, so typically the way that I would okay, some will go down the road, like if as I'm handling the call, first thing I'm always looking for is hands. You could see this guy's hands the whole time. So already my threat assessment's way down. I can see hands. I he's not acting a fool, he actually is being very calm. And then I've got to investigate. That's my job. I have to make sure what the call actually makes sense. How do you know it's not an ex-baby mama? See him come in the store and just trying to start some shit with him. And you just took his ass down to the ground and fell right for her little trap. So, like they said, you can you can beat the rap, but not the ride, and then and that's what the baby mama try to do. I've seen those calls. So you just took the you use force on this dude who literally was doing nothing, you didn't tell him, you didn't announce. You're lucky he didn't. What if he was quick draw McGraw and turn around and fired some shots at your ass? I would say he's justified.

SPEAKER_13 2:19:41

Yeah, I mean, it can we talk about fear for a second? Uh, because Izzo touches on this a lot, and I like when he gets into it. Um if you're scared shitless all the time, you you don't need to be in this job. The job, and like don't get me wrong, I I get scared, but like I I kind of try to go to a zen place, you know, because your fear can fuck you up to the point where you you do crazy shit like this, or even worse, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:20:08

Right, you might think acorns are attacking you, right?

SPEAKER_13 2:20:12

And and and I'm glad you brought that up because bro, look look at that. Like, that's as a citizen, you see a cop out there like that who just starts blowing rounds off into a trap subject in a vehicle, it's an acorn. Like, this is the stuff that gets us just demonized, you know. And uh, I'm not so I'm not saying fear that played a part. I don't know I wasn't there with this particular video, but like, guys, like if you're out there and you're scared, do us all a favor and just go work at Burger King or some shit. Like, please.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:46

Yeah, like the it's crazy that no investigation was done, no talking, no nothing. Like, even once you got him in cuffs, you treated him like an asshole. Told him to shut up. Then when you get him to the car, you slam him against the car. You could physically hear it of a guy that was just chirping the whole time. He's a bully, he runs his mouth, that's fine, justifiably so. He's a bully, yeah. Unbelievable. This one, this one really got me upset. He's a bully, and he was scared. Yeah, yeah, unreal. What are you thinking, Banning?

SPEAKER_01 2:21:20

Again, 2026. We're still seeing some really dumb shit come out of uh the interwebs.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:28

Yeah, and and that's it's this kind of goes back to some of the cops that push back on the things that we do. Oh, you don't know the whole story, you didn't see the whole investigation. Listen, we've been doing this.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:38

I've said that before.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:39

Yeah. There's certain things that, yes, you need the whole investigation to really understand everything, but there's some behavior that you don't. You can call it out and we can talk about it and we can have the conversation. We're all watching the same thing. I don't let's say that this was called in as an armed robbery. If it was, why did he go in by himself? Gun not drawn, none of that, right? Okay, so we know that's not the case. You know, I'm not the best, I wasn't the best detective in the world, but I can do a little bit. So you didn't come go ahead.

SPEAKER_13 2:22:14

Um so back to what Banning was saying, like you're seeing more and more of this, you know, right? And Izo uh talks about this all the time. You're seeing more of these cops who can't take care of themselves or they're too scared, so the level of force goes from zero to a hundred, right?

Recruiting And Defund Aftershocks

SPEAKER_04 2:22:29

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_13 2:22:30

Let me get your opinion on why this is, right? Oh, I I know about we talk about recruiting. We talk about recruiting, right? Everybody's struggling. I don't I don't know if where you're at is struggling. Uh everybody guess that yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:45

We're doing okay, we're doing good, don't get me wrong. If you were to look at us, it'd be like, How are you doing that? It's it's not our norm, though. We're down, but we're still recovering.

SPEAKER_13 2:22:53

But we talked about last time the the defund the police movement. It's kind of it's kind of ironic to me because like you're seeing these cops out there who who shouldn't really be doing the job, and like Isla talks about the force going from zero to a hundred because they can't take care of themselves. But why is that? Why are these people working here now? Right? It's kind of like you want to defund the police, you got it. They gotta hire somebody.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:20

You're lowering by by defunding and do anything that has a negative impact on the department, the only counter that at that to that is lowering standard of hiring, and then you create this perpetual downward spiral of issues. So when the training gets into this, is some of the problem I have with people that are like it shouldn't be militaristic training. Kind of some of it needs to be.

SPEAKER_13 2:24:47

But see, you you you talk you talk about the I mean it like I this is where I say it's ironic. You talk about the the defund the police movement. What did you think was gonna happen? Because they they very much did defund the police, right? And then there were a lot of other things going on that made cops leave the job or you know, potentially great candidates from you know, choosing other career fields. I mean, this is a perfect case of you you got what you asked for. I hate to say it.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:17

Yeah, you know, and and Mike said defund the police by reducing the number of police you hire and prioritize the most important calls, quit enforcing victimless crimes. That would be great, Mike, if that's what they did when they defund, but that's not what they did.

SPEAKER_13 2:25:29

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:30

I I believe that was probably the spirit behind defund the police, but that's not what happened. They just end up cutting jobs, cutting money, moving that money into crisis intervention civilians, uh, all sorts of other avenues where they're taking money from the PD. And now it's not that they're they're reducing the police they hire and all that. So they're they're just not getting anybody and they're lowering the standards, and that's just what happened. And now you see all of the cities that defunded, they reversed that, and then they gave them more money. And now they still can't keep people because the politics are still involved.

SPEAKER_13 2:26:07

Um, because the the social damage they did was far greater than money can be replaced.

SPEAKER_04 2:26:13

Right.

SPEAKER_13 2:26:13

When you created a generation that no longer has any interest in doing this job, yeah, that's where the real that's where the real damage comes in.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:22

And Mike brings up a good point. He said I'd pay more for the police who acted professionally and don't let their emotions guide them. Agreed. And that's one of the reasons why we created that. Um that's weird. We just switched guys' faces on its own. Um, that's one of the reasons we released our ego class that the that we had with George Lopez. Um, we we told people like you you have to train people to recognize when their emotions are taking over. If you've never had that type of training, unless somebody kind of shared with you when you're getting emotionally hijacked, it's it's hard to recognize it sometimes. You only learn through life experience. And young officers learning that through life experience is too late, and they've already done fucked up. So you have to start teaching them about that stuff before they get out on the streets to be able to recognize when they're emotionally hijacked, when they can recognize that they're going from logical, reasonable, rational thinking into that emotional zone, and now they're not making the right choices, just like we saw with our little five-foot cop that she got emotionally hijacked. And we saw you called out the exact moment she got emotionally hijacked.

SPEAKER_13 2:27:36

And that's you gotta go to your happy Gilmore place. Go to your happy place, go to his special place, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:43

You know, go to his place. That's what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:45

Yep, yep. Hey guys, I'll be I'll be uh right back.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:49

Banning's gotta go drop the kids off at the pool. So um, yeah, I I agree with you. Um, I'm looking over at the comments right now. Uh, watch deposition of a cop that arrested auto on watchdog or auto the watchdog. Yeah, we're trying to get auto on here. I think at one time auto agreed to be on, like he was in the chat and he agreed to be on, and we just kind of never followed through with that. Um Harris who is Otto? Uh he's um an auditor. He goes out, I think it's in Texas. I think he he he fucks up Texas and uh he does a good job. He's funny. I think he's funny anyway. Um but yeah, looking. They call they get call, they get a call and they swarm like piranha. I don't mind when you have backup, but that doesn't bother me. I you know, especially if there's nothing going on. I've seen calls where it's it's a bullshit call. It's you know, Gladys left her you know sprinkler on and now we gotta go over and five cops show up. There's nothing going on. They just all show up. They just all show up. That's just how it goes. Harrison dropping 10 memberships. I appreciate you, brother. Again, guys, uh everything that we do, um, we've been going five years. Oh, that's the other thing. Guys, April. This is our fifth year. This month, this is officially the fifth year of two cops one donut. So we are thank you across all platforms. We have about 500,000 followers now. Um, I think our YouTube alone is almost up to 23,000, which is insane to me compared to where we started. Um uh unbelievable. So thank you very much, everybody. Um looking at the memberships, I just wanted to see if Mr. U, or I'm sorry, if uh Marine Blood got another one, but he did not. Uh blue line transparency in the house. He said, Yeah, auto is great. He is very cool. We've attracted a lot of auditors on the show. Um so we're we're trying to get uh FAPA. I I like calling him that because it's freedom. What is it? I can't remember the the acronym. First Amendment Protection Agency, I think it is. That's uh an auditor we've been highlighting lately, really good. Kansas City auditor or something like that. He's really good. We're trying to get um damn, there was one more we were trying to get.

SPEAKER_13 2:30:13

Uh I would wish you guys would get uh uh The Random Patriot. I like that Random Patriot. I like that guy.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:21

I recognize the name, I just can't picture the face. Um, Jeff Gray is another one I really would like to get. I think that's his name. Um, but we're all about it because I can get cops all day long. Look, I got you last minute. I mean, I can get cops all day long.

SPEAKER_13 2:30:37

Got nothing going on.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:38

I know, right? And so I I I gotta I have to be balanced. I want to have all the sides. I don't want an echo chamber, and I want to be able to tell people, oh, banning's waiting to get back in.

SPEAKER_13 2:30:50

Uh well, if you get the random patriot, I would I would uh Okay love forever if I could if I could chime in just for a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:00

Make sure you have some gear by then, sir. Yeah, um Chili DeCastro has actually reached out to me to be on the show, and I won't have him on. Sorry guys, I still have a job, I'm still an active cop, which is what makes us different, and I don't trust him. I don't trust him to to to be chill, to have a rational conversation because I've never seen him do it. And even when even when he sent a message to me in my inbox to to be on, because I didn't respond like immediately, he went down this diatride just going nuts, like all this shit, just talking shit.

SPEAKER_13 2:31:39

Yeah, he's he's got a few screws loose, and and I'm like, you know, it's it's I was gonna mention him earlier because you know we're talking about auditors. I just uh yeah, that's that's one that I just can't respect. And um, I always wanted to ask Chili if I got a chance to talk to him. Did something happen to you? Like he's this he this is an auditing, he has a deep, deep-seated hatred for the police. That's that's more than it goes beyond anything that I've ever seen. There's some something happened to that guy. I I wish I knew. I'd really like to talk to him just to see. But yeah, yeah, I've I've researched all his stuff, I've tried to find out, but he never he never gets into it, you know. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:23

I like I said, I it's great if he wants to be on somebody else's show and I can jump on that show and chime in. I just can't risk it myself. I just don't I'm being honest, I just don't trust him to be on and be be chill. I I don't know what the fuck he's gonna say.

SPEAKER_13 2:32:39

So some pretty nasty stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:43

So uh he it's not like I banned him from anything. If he wants to ch comment, he can comment all day long. I'm not gonna stop.

SPEAKER_13 2:32:50

I'll tell you what though, he's been I've learned a lot from his content. I mean, yeah, if you're a police officer, and I mean that is the ultimate uh study guide on how to not lose your cool. I mean, that that guy, he goes so crazy that if you can if you can survive chili, yeah, you'll be good to go, right? Yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:10

Shout out to Ariel, he dropped five bucks in the super chat. He said, You should get auto, the watchdog. He's crazy. Uh he has a crazy story to tell. Yeah, I I know. I trust me, I want to. Um Marine said, check the live stream chat. Uh I can't right now. Uh, what do you mean? Check the live stream chat. We're in the live stream chat. So Mike said, Chili isn't trusted by many in the 1A community. Is it true? Cops love donuts. This cop loves donuts. Look, I tried to for the longest time in my career, I would not eat a donut in uniform. But since I've gotten older and I had kids, and um, you know, they're two girls. I'm I'm a softy now. Now I'm just like donuts. Yeah, let's get one. Now eat it.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:00

Fresh donuts. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:02

I love them. Who would not? 28, 29, 92 said, why not chili? I just can't, man. I listen, it's very rare to have a cop that does what we do, like civil. Yeah, that's live. And I I I can be fired if they don't like what I'm doing. If I if I make my agency, even though I don't ever say where I work or talk about it, but if I make them look bad, I can get fired. Now, I feel like I do a lot more than most people to try to bridge this gap that we're trying to bridge, but I do have limits for now while I'm still an active cop. When I do retirement, I'll say whatever the fuck I want.

SPEAKER_13 2:34:43

Just to kind of piggyback on that. I mean, we're not gonna get anywhere doing what he's doing. Um, I don't know if if whoever commented has ever seen his stuff. It's it's so vile.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:56

Um, yeah, some of it, some of it's crazy. He it's unbelievable. The stuff he says. I get why you get views.

SPEAKER_13 2:35:05

Yeah, yeah. And uh, if you're a real auditor and you really want to make change and you're a police officer and you want to make change as well, you gotta keep it civil. Like, there's not gonna be any progress, yeah. Uh with acting like that. I mean, yep, it's it's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:22

Blue line transparency said nobody becomes an activist without going through shit. I agree. Um, there is one that I really this is the one I want probably more than any of the other ones. Uh KP Nation just mentioned it. Uh, Southern draw law. I I really want him on because I he's so smart in the way he breaks things down and talks about things. I'm just like, oh my god, yeah, like that makes sense. Like, I'm just like eating it all up. Like, is never been a time there's never been a time he's explained something where I'm like, that's bullshit. Like every time he says, I'm like, oh, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_13 2:35:56

Yeah, there's there's been one or two things I you know me, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:00

Yeah, find something.

SPEAKER_13 2:36:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will. Um, but I I like him. I subscribe. Uh I like his channel. Um, I really would like to talk talk to him if I ever get a chance because I want to know he from his videos, he's a self-described former bootlicker. He was a cop.

SPEAKER_04 2:36:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:36:18

A thin, a thin blue line guy. I just I would just like to know what happened, that he kind of maybe becoming a lawyer.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:25

Yeah, I think he's talked about it before, but that would definitely be something that I'd get up there. Um, King Braveheart said, What are you talking about? People don't trust cops because of issues being discussed. We know we know that. Um, so you don't I'm assuming he's saying so you don't have an auditor, but we're expected to trust a cop who has more power. How does that work? I'm not I don't a hundred percent understand what you're trying to ask me. Can you clarify that, Mr. Braveheart? Um Mike Norton, Cult News. He's actually Mike Norton's chimed in quite a bit. We shared a lot of his stuff too. Siberian Tiger would be great. Yeah. You guys told me about him. He would be awesome. Listen, if you guys have networks that you can get in contact with these people, please let us know. Hit us up in our Discord, whatever it is. I'm down for sure. But uh Bat has started auditing again. Who's Bat?

SPEAKER_01 2:37:28

I don't know what that is. Eric, I just sent you two pictures from the Discord, which what I believe Marine Blood was referring to.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:35

Oh. That's awesome, Benny. Oh my god. That's great. Let me uh let me let me pull up my Discord. Love it.

SPEAKER_05 2:37:49

That's funny stuff right there. That is funny. We need to share that. If I can get my Discord to I haven't lost that much.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:00

I know what the problem is. My Discord is being a paint. Yeah, you haven't lost that much weight, buddy. One second, y'all. I am uh trying to get a picture, a couple pictures. I don't know if you've seen Banning's latest activity, but I think y'all need to be aware of it. So uh it's pretty good. Let me get this here. Looking at the chat. Oh, Bay Area Transparency. My bad. Yeah, that's bat. You're right. You're right. Um, I tell you, one that's been disappointing to me lately is the Denver, the Denver audit guy. Not a fan. Uh haven't really cared for what I've seen coming out of that one.

SPEAKER_13 2:38:47

What's going on with him?

SPEAKER_03 2:38:49

Just it's the kind of the asshole tactics, the you know. I'm not gonna say he I not that he's lying, it's just it's it's not objective. I I like the auditors that are that can be objective. Um, you know, San Joaquin Valley Transparency is one of my favorite. He's so he's just a well-spoken dude. Um brand new patriot. Yeah. Um and then my guy. Like whoops, and then uh okay, so I'm gonna share the screen. I don't know if you guys known, but banning has recently uh banning's recently gotten into some trouble. Um kind of related to what we saw earlier. Uh here we got banning just outside with the ATM. And then uh oh, wrong way, and then we got banning uh caught in the act, actually, actually got even up on the boot strings, you can see how shiny that Marine Corps boot is that I'm wearing. Yeah, but what I like is this guy's not despite uh all this cop didn't just slam you to the ground.

SPEAKER_01 2:40:06

Yeah, that's right, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:08

He's actually investigating somehow. We got the cuffs on on one of your hands, which is amazing. It's creepy how he does look like you. AI is trippy, isn't it? So but uh boys, we are at two and a half hours, and uh we're about a half hour what I wanted to go over today. We had some really good comments, so I'm gonna I'm gonna give it another five minutes, see what people have in the comments. If anybody's got any extra stuff, please, please, please help us network. If you got any questions for Ryan, feel free to throw those out there right now, too. But please help us network. We will get these people on that you guys want. Um, I am in the process, like I said, I'm trying to get Sunday with uh FAPA. Um, we've we've actually made contact with them, just trying to get the schedule lined up. Uh if there's any police, anything like that that you want to get. Um Alan's hiding behind the scenes still. I forgot he was even here. Why is he not?

SPEAKER_13 2:41:07

Is Nina in the chat?

SPEAKER_03 2:41:08

I can't see um I'm not seeing Alan's like, I don't want to be on camera. Let's see, we can share the share the chat there. Um somebody said, This is amazing content. What is this?

SPEAKER_14 2:41:24

Uh Nina was in the chat earlier today. I saw that she may want to say hi, Nina's my homie.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:32

Someone hit a slice of cake inside that machine diabolical. Mr. Billfold throwing shots at Banning. Very cool.

SPEAKER_14 2:41:44

But um, there's Nina. You know, Banning, you said something earlier about the fact that you know you always had you always wanted somebody smaller in the stack going into the house with you. Like, I don't know that there's very many people that are bigger than you in the stacks. Um just throwing that shade out there, you know. Uh, I think most of us are gonna use you as the shield. We didn't, we didn't the agency didn't have to purchase us one.

SPEAKER_01 2:42:12

It's it's amazing on, and I'm not gonna go into who it was, but we were we were on a loud music call one night at the larger agency I worked at, and uh it was it was uh 4th of July or Halloween or something, and we were just quieting people down because of the calls. Come back into our car, we were debriefing, and then somebody at a different house obviously put a full auto into the air and and uh let it fly. And all four of those officers literally all got behind me as I'm looking around. We're trying to figure out where the noise is coming from. I turned around. I'm like, what are y'all doing? They're like, you can absorb some of that shit before it hits us. I'm like, easy. That's blocks away. You guys are good. So let's let's continue on to the next call.

SPEAKER_14 2:42:53

Well, the other problem is you were kind of like a wall that they couldn't see around, you know. You you know, it's easier to see through a window than a wall.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:02

Yes. Um, I saw a cool question up there. Somebody was asking about um 3802, I think, which is our ID statute or whatever. Um, asking why don't most cops understand 382 and Turner vs. Driver in Texas. And if I remember Turner vs. Driver, I think that is that's either for filming or for I can't remember 100% off the top of my head. I'm I'm not gonna lie. I think it's something to do with filming in public. Um, and to answer your question, why they don't understand is it's training, like it comes down to training. So you gotta have the training, you gotta pay attention when you're doing the fucking training. Because how many cops you know go through training and they're on their phone the whole time?

SPEAKER_01 2:43:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:52

I've seen it on their phone the whole time. You're like, how much of this?

SPEAKER_01 2:43:56

I've I've put on T cole courses and smacked a freaking phone out of an officer's hand. He's like, I'm on call at my agency, and I'm like, there's people on duty that can handle that. Uh so freaking take that phone out of your hand. And I love that cucumber said that, man, because uh we all get into a bad male state.

SPEAKER_14 2:44:12

Yep. You were right, by the way, Eric. You hit it nail on the head.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:17

It was it filming cops? Yeah. Um why they don't know, I don't trust me. How many videos have you guys seen me make where I'm like, it's 2024? Why are we still seeing this? It's 2025. Why are we still seeing this? It's 2026. I've been doing it five years now, guys.

SPEAKER_13 2:44:34

I can kind of chime in on this one. So I don't know if we touched on it last time. Um, you know, I was at the university for a while, and then you know, the politics, you know, got a little too much for me, and it was a great job. I I loved it, but um, I got uh another job opportunity in Virginia to be a police officer, and uh I was never a police officer in Virginia, so at 43 years old I had to go back through the academy, the full thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:44:58

Hell yeah, right.

SPEAKER_13 2:45:00

Um nothing in the academy touched on auditing ego, not one class, not and I'm not you know, I'm not talking shit like it was there, it was good training, but uh they're just it's just not there. I mean, I I hope it is in some academies, but I mean I I went through uh about two years ago and uh not a thing about it.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:26

Yeah, it it's it's insane.

SPEAKER_13 2:45:27

I'm 43 years old, I've been doing this for 20 years, so yeah, and and we've talked about it.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:32

Uh we talked about it with the staccato guy and all that stuff. Like, when's the last time you saw a constitution class in the academy? And that's the last time you see it, which is insane.

SPEAKER_01 2:45:43

And and if you think about it, guys, and Eric, I mean, it's a lot of this when we here and I know we come back to Texas because that's what we know like the back of our hand. Um, if there's a new law that comes out or a new change, you know, every couple years we go through a legislative update here, and they mandate that to be sent through Texas Peace Officers, and technically you test out at the end of it, and then you're aware of the new knowledge. So our legislators could really help us um get this type of training into basic peace officer academies across the country. You know, but what groups do you go after to get you to get them to sponsor that? I mean, it's um they're gonna they're gonna go for what they think is higher priority stuff. And I think this is just a high priority as everything else. What's it costing the taxpayers across the country to keep having officers not trained to deal with this type of thing?

Training Ideas And Constitution Gaps

SPEAKER_03 2:46:39

Yeah. Um, and Mike actually kind of has an idea that I have I have played around with. He said, You guys need to start a two cops, one donut training academy. Um, that is why I did the ego thing. That was the first like test. I I what I want to do is because people don't have tension spans anymore, is I wanted to create a series of little reels, like two to three minutes explaining it goes through the whole class that you need. And then for you guys, the community, this is how the community it works to try to make the police better. Every time you see a department that has an example video that's not a good example, you say, Hey, go to two cops, or you share the link. Hey, this cop obviously needs this ego class. Like, share that link. Bam! Now they go right to it, it doesn't cost them anything. I got it out there for I'm not charging anybody. Now they've got a whole ego class they can watch. If they care about getting better, they'll watch it. Because it's a legit class. Now we've got the ego class. Now the next thing we can do is I can bring on um Anthony from Blue to Gold again, and then we can go right through the fucking constitution. We can go one by one all the way through, creating reels and have the, you know, whatever amendment we're reading, if it's the First Amendment, then he can give some real world examples. And we we just discuss it. It's quick, it's five, ten minutes, but now it's out there in La La Land for everybody to see when they need to see it. And it's being explained by a cop and a lawyer who used to be a cop, and now you've got an example. That was what I wanted to do. And we're not talking at people, we're just giving real world examples and how to understand it and why we made it because of this video in this video. That's the idea. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:48:24

Um you have trying to do better.

Merch Shoutouts And Five Years

SPEAKER_03 2:48:27

Yeah, trying to do better, y'all. You know, it's an uphill battle, but you know me, I'm optimistic at heart, so I'm just gonna keep rolling that rock up the hill and let it roll right back over me. Starting over. Um, Andy said, You have Texas cops telling people they changed 3802 to be stop an ID when it was only for a lawful traffic stop. Well, you are required to give ID on a lawful traffic stop, so I'm not sure what we're talking about here. It's not necessarily a stop and ID. No false ID, no ID except on a lawful arrest. Half the damn world knows it, but not a Texas copy. In Texas, it is the law that you have to provide your ID on a traffic stop and on an arrest. That's what that is. So uh Ryland, Ryan Lands is in the house. He said, What's up, y'all? Um, hey, if any of you guys ever want to get any of these little fancy badges we get here, uh you can see it looks metal, but it's not. It's actually a bendy. Uh two cops, one donut patch. We have coins. I don't have any with me, but we have coins. We have an actual metal badge. The the one that everybody uh that doesn't like me will say, look at that fake ass cop and that fake badge he wears trying to be a real cop. That badge. I have that one for sale as well.

SPEAKER_13 2:49:54

Um, I was one of the first ones to buy one. I uh was I the first or was I one of the first?

SPEAKER_03 2:49:59

I think you were one of the first.

SPEAKER_13 2:50:00

As soon as you put them up, I yeah, I bought two.

SPEAKER_03 2:50:03

So if you go to uh it's it's actually in the chat, but Marine Blood put it up there. If you go to our sponsor, Ghost Patch, and you type in two cops one donut on the search, if this link for whatever reason isn't good enough for you, um, you will see all the stuff that they sell at Ghost Patch for two cops one donut. And good thing to know, Ghost Patch is ran by a police officer. So you are actually supporting another cop that puts out really cool ass patches.

SPEAKER_13 2:50:34

So they just put out a uh a new Baltimore City uh was it like a quincentennial uh memorial badge. Like I was a Baltimore City cop. It's they they do such good work at Ghost Patch.

SPEAKER_03 2:50:47

Yeah, yeah. Ghost Patch is very badass. I like them. Um, I made them the official uh me and the the president. We made them the official patch for the NRT CCA that I'm a part of. You guys that they're aware, what the fuck? Where'd you get that hat?

SPEAKER_01 2:51:01

I've had this on for like two minutes and nobody's noticed it.

SPEAKER_03 2:51:04

I didn't even notice it. Is that AI? What is that?

SPEAKER_01 2:51:08

It's just uh it's a costume from years ago when it was in there.

SPEAKER_03 2:51:13

I didn't even notice it. I was over here looking at the chat. Uh what did Nina say here? Nina said, if ever if citizens everywhere didn't make things so difficult for law enforcement by obeying current laws and not making new ones, the LE could be doing their jobs efficiently. Uh and then but dipshit have to go and make things difficult for LE everywhere, and then laws well, it just depends. Sometimes them being dipshits is justified, as you can.

SPEAKER_13 2:51:46

But but see, this is why like Nina, that's why Nina's my homie. You know me. Like, I I it's okay to have the back of the cops sometimes. You it doesn't all have to be criticism, it doesn't, you know, you're not wrong. There there are cops out there that do the right thing, do their job, always gonna have improvements to make. But like it's okay to have people like Nina in our corner.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:09

I I fully no no no, I agree. I think when it comes from us, though, I think the more we acknowledge the bad side, that's helping us gain the credibility to be able to talk to them about the good stuff.

SPEAKER_13 2:52:22

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:23

But other people out there, if they want to support police and stuff like that, that's good. And again, I'm not saying I don't support police. I of course I do. I always support good police.

SPEAKER_13 2:52:33

I just don't like the way it's turned into you're a bootlicker if you support the police. I don't know what to be.

Final Thanks And Sign Off

SPEAKER_03 2:52:39

That's always gonna be a thing. They're always gonna say that. Just let them let whoever wants to have their names, let them have their names. No big deal. Um I'm trying to keep up with the chat. Andy, I'm getting called a bootlicker on X tonight. Yeah, Andy's definitely not a bootlicker, I promise you. Yeah, but all right, guys, we are we're well over. I gotta get my shit together and I gotta go to sleep. But uh thank you everybody for five years. I can't believe it's been five years. Uh this started with my obsessive compulsive ADHD, and it obviously hasn't slowed down. Here we are. Uh it's expanded well, well more than I ever thought it would, and I really appreciate everybody that's helped out and been a part of it. And here's to five more years. So uh Cheers. Yeah, cheers, everybody. Really appreciate it. Um, yeah. You guys got anything for that before we get off here?

SPEAKER_01 2:53:46

Yeah, it's amazing, man. Watching just the time that I first met you and uh where this thing has gone, and to be a small part of this, man, it's just uh it's amazing to be on this roller coaster. Yeah, you're telling me I was one of the first to buy a badge.

SPEAKER_13 2:54:02

I was a fan, and and to be on the the show isn't it's insane.

SPEAKER_03 2:54:08

Hell yeah, brother. Well, we really appreciate you being on.

SPEAKER_13 2:54:10

Very much so.

SPEAKER_03 2:54:12

Always well, like I said, it's just a matter of having a network of people that are willing to be on and more than willing to have you back, man. And if there's ever a time you're like, hey, I want to get on and talk about this, let us know. We'll fucking get it.

SPEAKER_13 2:54:25

Yeah, no, I will.

SPEAKER_03 2:54:26

We'll do it on an off day. I don't give a shit. You guys know I throw random lives when I'm bored.

SPEAKER_13 2:54:32

So yeah, no, I mean it's just start out as a as a fan and then have the Eric Levine call me to be on the show with the legend banning and Mr. Allen, like that shit's it doesn't happen in real life. Like, all my heroes, and now I'm talking to you guys.

SPEAKER_03 2:54:48

That's uh you know, now we gotta get your old man in here.

SPEAKER_01 2:54:51

We just we just appreciate your your your honest input. Yeah, and that's that's what we need across this country is to have more people come in with honest input. You don't have to agree, and that's why this show is here, and let's talk about it. It's always let's friggin' talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 2:55:08

So right. Lacey, that's cool. How the fuck did you do that? Some people are really talented with keyboard shit. Yes. Like, how did you do that?

SPEAKER_13 2:55:18

And uh Andy, Andy Fletcher, thanks, man. I appreciate it too.

SPEAKER_03 2:55:22

Yeah, Andy giving you some love, Steve Wallace, everybody, all of our regulars, definitely thank you for being on. Um, try to hit up that Discord, y'all. Thanks for everybody that did some donations tonight towards the show show. You are the reason it's able to go five years uh and to continue going. So we really thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Everybody else, have a good night, and this will be available on our audio for pod uh Spotify and Apple very soon. So take it easy.