COPS & COUNSEL: Unfiltered Body Cam Breakdown!

One impulsive grab on a porch. One traffic stop where a cop tries to police “respect.” One sloppy decision that feels small to the officer and massive to the citizen. That’s the thread we pull in this conversation, because the real story isn’t just viral clips. It’s how police culture, ego, and training gaps turn ordinary moments into complaints, civil rights claims, discipline, or worse.

We sit down with Bridget Truxillo, founder of Lady Law Shield, a former Florida deputy sheriff with a background in patrol, undercover narcotics, and SWAT who now represents law enforcement and first responders in employment and workplace disputes. We talk candidly about what it’s like to be an active cop on social media, why public records and transparency come with the job, and how quickly the “Monday morning quarterbacking” turns into career consequences. Bridget also explains what she looks for when an officer crosses a line, and why immediate self-reporting and supervisor intervention can turn a mistake into a fixable training moment.

From there we get into women in law enforcement, real-world safety, fitness standards, and why communication skills can prevent more uses of force than raw strength ever will. We also hit constitutional law training, Brady/Giglio confusion, and whether AI in law enforcement could help officers interpret rules faster without creating new risks. If you care about police accountability, body cameras, de-escalation, and building public trust without throwing good cops away, this one is for you.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Two Cops One Donut. I'm your host, Sergeant Eric Levine. Before we get started, here's a quick disclaimer. The views and opinions you're about to hear are those of the hosts and guests alone. They don't represent any police department, agency, sponsor, or employer. Two Cops One Donut isn't responsible for anything said by guests or for any videos, clips, or content shown during the live stream. This show is intended for adult audiences only. We cover real incidents, we show graphic and sometimes disturbing footage, and we don't shy away from strong language or adult conversations. There may or may not also be alcohol involved. Viewer discretion is strongly advised. Everything you hear or see on the show is for entertainment and educational purposes. It is not legal advice and it's not tactical instruction. And it shouldn't be used for such. By continuing to watch, you're telling us that you understand, you accept all this. All right. Now let's get into it.

Meet Bridget From Lady Law Shield

SPEAKER_01 0:54

All right. Welcome back to Cops One Donut. I'm your host, Eric Levine. Today, special guest that got with me is Lady Law Shield, Bridget. How you doing?

SPEAKER_07 1:03

I'm good, Eric. How are you? It's been a while since I was on your podcast. I think I was one of the first guests in the new studio.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

You were, absolutely. Yeah. It's been a minute.

SPEAKER_07 1:12

You have all that fancy lighting behind you at the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

I know, I know. I got it's gotten way better since the last time you were here. I promise.

SPEAKER_07 1:20

Well, I'm just gonna, you know, I'll keep knocking on your door when I come to Fort Worth and we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

No problem. Come on over.

SPEAKER_07 1:28

You're a busy man though.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

It is incredibly busy. It is kind of funny how let me let me scoot over here. Uh funny how busy it does get. Um I've got, man, this is one of the funny things about doing this show. I got uh people that my guests request. So those are the people that I'm actively trying to hunt all the time, trying to get those people that people actually, you know, really keep begging me, bugging me, whatever you want to say, to hear. And I'm like, all right, let me see what I can do for people. Then I got people I want to hear from, you're you included. That's why I was like super excited to get you on. And then uh then there's those that reach out and want to be on the show that I don't know that nobody's ever requested. And that happens, that's happening more and more frequently. Um and there was a guy recently, he's one of those uh sovereign citizen. I I did a little research on him once he reached out. I'm like, I don't know who the fuck this guy is. So started looking around, and he's like, such and such will vouch for me. And I'm not gonna not gonna put anybody's name out there, but so I reached out to that person. They did not vouch for them. So I was like, Yeah, all right, bro, sorry, you know, I was like, I and I wanted to see how he would take the no. I was like, hey bro, sorry, I just uh at this time I don't have anybody requesting the kind of topics that you're talking about. I just I was like for no for right now it's a no. I was like, we'll see as as it goes. And um, but he was like sweating me, like like wanting an answer. Like I'm like, I got hundreds of messages a day, and it's just a pain in the ass. Like to I can't check all my messages, but I do a damn good job. Anybody that follows us, and I I I almost nobody slips through the cracks. I usually get to just about everybody.

SPEAKER_07 3:20

Well, I say, like you and I keep in touch fairly often, and yeah, I mean, I know you're busy, and I know you're working full time, and this is not your full gig. And I know like even if you and I might text and it might take a bit, but like I know you're busy, but I know you're busy, like it's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

So I I just I I kind of wanted to see how he would respond to being told no. And and I was like, you know, I just I was like, the the pre like the you putting pressure on this isn't helping you. I was like, I don't know you, and he got pissed and like it kind of failed the little test that I gave him. I was like, see, if I can't even trust you on just chatting privately, I can't definitely can't trust you on a live because I'm still you know, everybody in the audience that follows us, I'm still an active cop, y'all. If if something bad happens on a live, I could be fired. Now, if it doesn't come out of my own mouth, there's probably going to be some leniency, but I just I don't take the risk with people I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 4:19

Yeah, I would say that as your lawyer, I would certainly be cautious of that. And I hope you never need me in that perspective. Uh, but I agree. You I mean, especially as an active cop. And even though you don't, and I I commend you on your um legal warning, your your your red box warning as you open up.

SPEAKER_04 4:37

I like that. I saw you smiling.

SPEAKER_07 4:39

As your lawyer, I approve um that you do have to be careful. And I mean, I live in Houston, and right now there's a girl that's getting in a lot of trouble for something she posted on social media, even not in uniform, did not identify her agency, but people figured it out. And she not only is she's about maybe possibly losing her career, yeah, they're now about to look at every arrest she's ever had.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Oh, see? And and so that I guess that kind of goes into a good conversation topic just to get started.

Vetting Guests And Social Media Fallout

SPEAKER_01 5:12

But this is what I'm trying, this is what I try to convey to people that will kind of give me some pushback and some shit on some of the social media stuff. And they're like, Oh, you said that with um with padded gloves on, or you, you know, you're being, you know, a pussy. Uh, why don't you say what you really feel? And I'm like, I listen. There are some things I I can show emotion, I can I can say um semi-unprofessionally, but I can't truly say what I feel on some of this stuff because I still got a job. I'm still an active cop, is what makes this platform so rare. You don't get active cops that do this.

SPEAKER_07 5:47

No, so at least not active cops who aren't doing it for their agency. I mean, I'm aware there's one for Dallas, there's one for Houston, there's one I know for Oklahoma, there's some in California. Like I know there's a lot of active cop versions, and and then you're vetting it through your higher-ups, you know, and and and even if you're not, you you should be very careful. But yeah, it it you're you are an anomaly in in that way.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Yeah, there's not a whole lot to do it. You know, like my buddy Matt Thornton, uh, he's detective Matt Thornton is his social media presence, but he's an active cop up in uh Illinois. I won't call out his agency, but he's an active cop up in Illinois, and he does the same thing, it's risky. So with him doing that, you know, and me doing that and us working together, and everybody else that's on here is a former cop, except for Trey. Trey's out in California, and he's a rookie. I mean, he's only got two or three years under his belt, so we kind of guided him. I know it is. I know, and it's so fun because his perspective is so fresh. Like, yeah, like he like I can see there's a lot of learning. I'm bushy tailed. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of learning he hasn't done yet. So when he says stuff, I don't jump on him. I just I'm like, all right, slow you roll. Let me give you a different perspective, and you know, our audience.

SPEAKER_07 7:01

Or even what I like for what what I do for a living, it's like, oh, you're happy with your job? Come oh, that's so cute. Just come back to me later.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Right. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Yeah, um, why don't we do this? Because I know not everybody caught your first episode with us, but I don't want to dwell on stuff you've talked about before because it's a new episode. So why don't you give people your background a little bit, let them get to know you, and uh just kind of give them a brief overview and then we'll jump into it.

SPEAKER_07 7:27

Yes, so I'm Bridget Truxillo, um, not Trujillo. So if you see my name written, no matter where you are in the world, I've I've been in other countries, not Mexico, and people still want to say Trujillo. My husband's from New Orleans and they pronounce the X. So Truxillo. Uh I'm former deputy sheriff from Florida. Well, I'm not from Florida, I'm from the South in general. I have Louisiana, many other southern states. Um, but I went to the University of Florida for college. Um a week after I graduated, I went to the police academy because I thought I wanted to do like FBI, DEA, something federal. Um, decided to go to the sheriff's office to get there. And I did patrol for a year, then I did undercover narcotics. Uh, and then shortly thereafter, I got on the SWAT team. Um, it was, I tell people all the time, it's one of the coolest things I've ever done. And also the reason why I left the sheriff's office. So being the only female member on the SWAT team is everything you would imagine it would be. Um, and I left. So I chose to leave law enforcement because of that. I went to law school. And fast forward to now, I've I've had my own firm for a while now. My firm is called Lady Law Shield. And I specifically specialize in representing law enforcement and first responders and the type of crap that I faced at my agency. And so that includes things like harassment, discrimination, retaliation, but it also includes things like Brady Giglio, um workers' comp retaliation, um policy violations that evolve into that that also equate into state violations. And so I do employment law, but in a way that a lot of employment lawyers don't do it because my goal is to find a fix for your problem, because I needed a fix for my problem and I didn't know who to turn to. And I was in a union, I am a big fan of you. I think you should be in a union because if you are in any kind of role where you could be indicted, then you should be in a union. Um and or firefighters, maybe you don't get indicted, but I mean, I guess maybe you could, but uh not like cops can be. But still, if you're in that first responder world, if you have an opportunity to be in a union, I think you should because it provides you some protections. Um, but they don't do what I do. And I was in a union and they didn't give me the kind of help that I provide. So that's what I do. I specialize in helping first responders solve the problem so that they they have at work so that you can try and tackle the rest of the mental health problems you have at work that happen no matter what.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

Right. Yeah, that that are out that aren't necessarily internal causes or external causes of stress. Right.

SPEAKER_07 10:00

Or just the worst is when you feel like it's your agency that's throwing you under the bus. So I mean, because the work is gonna be crap, like fires, deaths, I mean, shootings, dead people. I mean, like, why when I was in the narcotics shooting and you just constantly went into houses where kids were being just like the worst thing to me was what happened to the kids in the world, you know, and what you see. Um, I mean, too bad, the bad things happen to a lot of people, but just the kids stuff really got me. But yeah, so that us that stuff's gonna happen no matter what. So then what then what do you do about the rest of the stuff when your your supervisors, your agency, or whatever is they're the problem, and that's what I help people with. So like you go on to the job knowing it's gonna be hard, right? Like even the cute little ones that are two or three years in. Um that and you know it's gonna you're gonna face crap, shit. That we can say that on this episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know you're gonna face shit, and you then you shouldn't have to face the shit from your agency, and that's what I do. So

Bridget’s Path From SWAT To Law

SPEAKER_07 11:00

awesome.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

I love it. Um, my auntie, she's on, she goes, where in Florida?

SPEAKER_07 11:05

Oh, uh, love that question. Uh go gators, come on, Andy. Uh I went to University of Florida, which is in Gainesville. I'm gonna give you a gator chump and uh go gators. Uh, but I'm from North Louisiana near Shreeport. My parents are from very small towns in North Louisiana, but I've lived like Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, back to Louisiana, Florida, Texas, New York, Texas. So when I say I'm from mostly the South, I mean it. Um, but Gainesville, Florida. So I was there for 12 years, and then I went to law school in South Florida at St. Thomas University Law School. It's called something else now, it's named after somebody I can't remember. Um, but Miami for about two and a half years, which was also awesome because my dad lived in the Keys at the time, and I was single mostly at the time. So whenever I was because I was broke also, and I was hanging out with my dad in the keys on his boat and fish or just boat around, and it was great.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

I love it. Yeah, I like it. Um, I got got I am boss on here. He said, I was originally on the edge with the sergeant. I think he's talking about me. Uh I came over from Izzo's recommendation. I think he's got a decent head on his shoulder. Thanks, brother. I appreciate that. Listen, we're not going to agree on every topic. Um I am I'm big on police accountability. So I do push a little heavier into police accountability, but I'm also I'm a grunt. I love catching bad guys. I still am active in catching bad guys. Now I use technology to do it versus uh my old man, you know, body giving out on me. So uh I do it smarter.

SPEAKER_07 12:42

Yeah, pepper in there, Eric. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

So I do it the smarter way now, not the harder way. So you're gonna see me share videos, great videos of cops doing great work, uh, you know, catching bad guys. So I expect both sides. I'm I'm what they call a fence sitter. I do sit kind of in the middle, I'm pretty balanced. So I am boss. If that if you're still trying to get to understand and see what we do, that's that's kind of how I am. I I'm a fence sitter, that's what everybody will call call me. It's a hard place to be because the side that hates cops hates when I promote good police work, and then the side that loves cops hates when I call out bad police work.

SPEAKER_07 13:20

So well, I certainly I had somebody, I was interviewing some people recently, and because my unfortunately, because I help people across the country, so I get you know, more and more people are hearing about me. Unfortunately, more and more, that means more and more people need me, which I wish nobody did, but they do. And I was interviewing somebody, and one of the things I always say in an interview is like, look, I mean, this should be probably self-evident, but you you have to be pro-law enforcement if you work for me. Um, because while no one's perfect, like you have to be pro-law enforcement. And um, it was shortly after the Minneapolis shooting, the woman, well, the back-to-back Minneapolis shootings.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Obviously, they get quite a few of them up there.

SPEAKER_07 14:03

So I think it was those, the the ice and the female and then the male that was shot, you know, back to back. And and um she's like, Well, I'm glad you said that, because you know, I do like kind of sort of like you don't mean all things, right? And I was like, Well, if you're questioning whether or not I think that was a justified shooting, then we could have a conversation about that. But overall, I you need to have you need to be pro-law enforcement no matter what. Like, don't don't show up in an interview with me with like fuck ice because this won't work out.

SPEAKER_04 14:34

Right.

SPEAKER_07 14:35

So, but I very much believe like you, I have some very strong opinions. Well, my strong opinions come in the place of go do a ride-along before you have an opinion about what law enforcement has to put up with. Because you have no people just have no idea what cops see and do. And

Being Pro Cop And Pro Accountability

SPEAKER_07 15:00

having done both and having been out of it for a very long time, and hearing people say, Oh, you're you used to be a cop, what do you think about so and so? And and also because I'm in civil litigation and I'm on the plaintiff side of litigation, technically, even though I don't do much litigation, predominantly litigation plaintiff side litigation lawyers are very much on the liberal side of things. And so this when I get in a group of plaintiff's lawyers and they hear that I'm an ex-cop, or heaven forbid they find out I'm a Republican, hence my fight 2024, sure. Which I thought was appropriate given what happened last night with Trump. Um they just eat it up. They're like, You surely you can't possibly think that was right. Surely you can't possibly think that was justified. And like, yes, I do. I I think that was a justified, I think of both those situations. Sadly, now do I want anybody to be killed? No. Do I think those were justified shootings based upon the information I'm privy to? Yes, I think they're justified shootings. And and I know you've been in law enforcement longer than me, but I was in SWAT for a little bit. And we would do things that included sitting in a room and doing nothing but talking through scenarios of, and anybody who's on a special ops team, like, what would you do if you have a hostage situation and the shooter is coming out? There's 12 hostages in the house. He comes out to give or to pick up the pizza and he turns around to walk back into the house. Do you shoot? And you know, you go around the room and what do you shoot? And you know, granted, there's a could be a lot of other factors going on, like you don't want a bomb to go off, or you know, a lot of other what-ifs, and I'm gonna turn you now too, so I could what if it till the end of the day. But like if I have the opportunity to take out the shooter and I'm shooting in the in the back, yes, I would shoot him.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

Yeah, and what's funny about I'm gonna stop you. What's funny about that is it could be a room full of, let's just say, let's just for we don't do politics on here too much, but uh let's just say for the state of political um collaboration that the everybody on that specialized unit is all Republicans. Let's just say that, right? You're still going to get different answers from every single person. You're gonna get the guys that be like, no, I'm not gonna shoot. He's not a threat to anybody at the moment. And then you're gonna get people that'll be like, Well, do you take that risk? What if you shoot somebody after he goes inside? When we could have taken him out.

SPEAKER_04 17:22

Well, what if it's your mom?

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Right. Both good arguments, and that's the decision making. That's you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, sometimes in this job. And and everybody becomes an expert once it gets on social. Look, I fuck, I'm making a career, a second career out of trying to be one of those experts on the internet. So I'll call myself out.

SPEAKER_07 17:45

Um, I see your videos sometimes, and I'm like, I see the video, and then you pop on. I'm like, oh, that's Eric. Like, oh, and then you say something, and I'm like, oh, that's not what I thought you would say about that. And but I I mean, but that's the country we live in. It's important to have those conversations.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Yeah, and sometimes it's the perspective you're looking at things. You may have a perspective that makes sense. If you give me your perspective, I'm like, okay, that makes sense. But let me tell you how I'm thinking about it. And then you're gonna look at mine and be like, oh, shit, I didn't think about that way. Um, there's a video today that I posted of uh two officers going on motorcycles, driving 95 miles an hour down the freeway. They're not lights and sirens, so they're not going to a call, more than likely. If they were, probably a policy violation. It was in California, and I believe California doesn't have a speed limit over 70 anywhere. So you were doing 95. Typical policy at most departments is you can't go over 20 miles an hour to the posted speed limit while running lights and sirens. So you got to be running code to the call to even do that. And they weren't doing that. And then you stopped your bike because another motorcycle was keeping pace with you to pull this guy over and then proceed to bitch him out and demean him because he was going the same speed as you. So now I've got a problem with it as a cop. I'm like, you can't do that. Like, nope, don't get me wrong. Cops just for the sake of traffic, and I want people to hear me out on this topic. If a cop does the speed limit on the freeway, the freeway's gonna get backed up. Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, horrible. It's gonna get because nobody wants to pass the cop. Nope. So I I don't have a problem with cops going over the speed limit. You want to do 10 over? Um okay with that. 10, yeah, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_07 19:37

I used to think when I was in the patrol car, seven to ten. Like, let's just keep traffic pulling. Seven to ten.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

So traffic gets going, but certainly don't go starting to pull people over for speed. Now, if it's egregious and dangerous and they're weaving it out, okay, you can make a safety concern thing, but generally on the freeway, you're going in a straight line. I'm a live and let live. If I'm speeding, I'm sure shit not gonna go be a hypocrite. So that was kind of the whole topic. But people are like, well, you don't know, it could be going to this, could be going to that. They start to what if it, and I'm like, okay, let's let's go down this rabbit hole. Let's say it's a a burglary. Burglarly. It's a burglary. Uh, you know, it's a it's a hot call that it benefits you to show up quiet.

SPEAKER_07 20:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

You don't want people to hear you coming. What do we do? Typically, we cut our sirens. You're still going to leave your lights going if you're speeding.

SPEAKER_07 20:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

So that argument goes out the window. If you need to show up quiet, which motorcycle cops do not show up to calls, guys. I don't know any motorcycle cops that show up to basic calls unless shit has hit the fan or they just happen to be in the area.

SPEAKER_07 20:41

And that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Yeah. I've never seen a motorcycle cop show up to my call ever.

SPEAKER_07 20:46

Now, these guys are like, our motors are cop, we're like, you might as well have been coming off a TV show.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Like, you know, they write tickets, is what they do.

SPEAKER_07 20:54

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

So for me, I'm like that, you know, if you're gonna what if this and you know, I could tell it's cops that are arguing with me. And they're like, Well, I you know, and one even said, Well, I've been a motor cop for the last 10 years, five years, whatever it was. And I'm like, okay, it's like regardless,

When Ego Drives Bad Stops

SPEAKER_01 21:09

you still have to turn your lights on if you're gonna be going that fast.

SPEAKER_07 21:12

For a call, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

And and let's say, let's say you were going to a call. Why would you stop in route if it's that important of a call just to write a ticket? So your logic goes out the window. I've been a I've been a sergeant long enough, I've been doing the job long enough that those I call them rookie arguments because that's what the rookies are gonna do. They're gonna try to make these arguments to show why they need to do enforcement. And I think it takes a senior officer like us to internally change the culture of policing to show them enforcement doesn't always have to be the answer. And are you enforcing out of ego or are you enforcing out of public safety? This was definitely an ego thing because he you when he got off the bike, he's like motherfucking on you, you stupid as shit, or what? You know, trying to keep up with me. Like I'm like, okay, so you're not this has nothing to do with public safety. You're just mad because he dared to do the same thing you're doing, and he doesn't happen to be a cop. And I don't I don't agree with that.

SPEAKER_07 22:10

So I I've said a lot that uh often that the job of being a cop does bring a lot of dangerous ego factors into it because you are given the right to do things like murder, kidnap, false imprisonment. Think and and and you think like, no, I'm not. Okay, but if you weren't a cop, that's what those things would be. If you shoot somebody, it's murder or manslaughter. If you put somebody in handcuffs, it's false imprisonment. If you put somebody in a car and drive them to another place against their will, that's kidnapping. You're given you're allowed to do things by law that no other human is allowed to do. And with that, become it has a lot of power, hence why there should be a lot of transparency in everything that you do.

SPEAKER_05 23:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 23:04

And and so like then that's where like all the lawyers come in, is you know, like, are you going too far? But you know, even what I do, like I, you know, but so I am I and what you do, why everything about your job is public. That's why they can get your public records. That's that that's why like I can't go to some I can't represent somebody from ATT and go, hey, give me all the employee records. I can't do that without a subpoena. I gotta go to court, I gotta get a subpoena. But for your job, I can go say, hey, I'm filing a public records request. Give me everything. I can get what you make, depending on where you live. I can get how much you make, I can get what you but when we have to do that. We need to know if while you're in this job that you can murder, kidnap, false in prison, whatever it all other labels. Yeah, you need to be like it's important that we have that. Now, do I think obviously people take that too far? And the the the the what do you call it? The quarterback that the Monday morning quarterbacking? Yes, thank you. God bless. Yeah. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

I'm glad you brought this topic up because there's a video I was gonna show towards the end of the podcast, but you hit the topic, so uh we might as well bring it up now.

SPEAKER_07 24:16

Do it now.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Um, so I'm gonna biggie size this here. And I've I made this video, so I've already seen this, but I I kind of want to get your reaction.

SPEAKER_05 24:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

So I'll give you kind of the background. There's a cop at this lady's house writing her a ticket for something. Don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_06 24:40

This is my part! This is my part! Did you just really grab me one day?

SPEAKER_01 24:49

I know what's my own. Somebody asked what my reaction was. So, uh what is I'm gonna stop sharing this. Uh so basically what we just saw there, he's writing the ticket, gives it to her, she decides to snatch it and throw it on her own porch. And normally we don't write tickets at people's houses. It's not a that's not a normal thing, I think, personally, for cops.

SPEAKER_07 25:12

No.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

So do I think instinct took over and he was like tri littering because his ego triggered. You're not gonna snatch it out of my hand and throw it. And he's like, I got her. And then I think he realized, oh fuck, I don't. We're on her property.

SPEAKER_07 25:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

No, so I legally that was that was in the somebody on uh in our audience um pointed out on our YouTube channel that that was within the threshold of the door. So an argument could be made. Like, you just broke the threshold and you ripped her out of her house.

SPEAKER_07 25:47

I I mean I would want to see it, uh I would want to look at that again harder from that context. But certainly he's on her private property and on that porch. So while you certainly have the legal authority in some instances, and I don't know all the facts, to enter the private property onto the porch to give the ticket. Obviously, you know if you're still a line of sight or if you have the proof to say this is the person and the driver and all those things. Um, because we all know, I mean, I don't do criminal law stuff at all, but I mean, I've been a cop, so I know like if I'm gonna give that person a ticket, I have to be able to prove that's the person that the person was driving that car that did the things.

SPEAKER_04 26:25

Right.

SPEAKER_07 26:25

So you could have the legal authority to walk up and give her the ticket, but you have no authority whatsoever when she snatches it from you. I mean, let's say she even swatted his hand a bit as she was taking the ticket from him. So is that assaulting an officer? That's not no what DA would take that? I mean, there's no intent behind it. At least not in my not in Texas, not in our state. No DA is going to take that here.

SPEAKER_05 26:50

Right.

SPEAKER_07 26:50

So, but that when he grabbed her, I mean, you better have reasonable suspicion or articulation to describe why you felt like you needed to in that moment to hold on to that person because otherwise that's not legal. And certainly there's an argument to be made that once she entered her home and you're pulling her out. I mean, that is a whole you

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have an arrest warrant. I mean, you certainly could have certain circumstances where you can have an or you can articulate meaning to arrest the person in the moment as they're entering their home, but is that it? Like on a misdemeanor charge? Is she fleeing? I mean, there's so many different things where that cop, I think, got pissed off in the moment and was trying to say, no, you but you have to listen to me because I said so. And there's just so many situations, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

So in that, so Mr. Bill Fold, uh one of our one of our greatest people ever that follows us, um, actually helps out with the show on occasion. Um, said Eric, how is that officer's use of force not a crime? You got an answer for that as a lawyer?

SPEAKER_07 27:54

It could be, honestly, it could be excessive force, which is a crime. And as we all know, there is um immunity for law enforcement officers that if you can articulate what you thought you were doing in the moment that justified the use of force, then you're immune to that, meaning that you were immune to the crime that would something that would other by otherwise be a crime to someone else. It again, I I only saw that short clip. I don't know what led to it, anything else.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

It's unfair for us to come to a uh a finite decision, but looking at what we have in front of us.

SPEAKER_07 28:31

Do I think that it should be looked at as a possibility? An attorney speak, that there's this officer should the incident should be in looked at. And do I think his agency should look into that harder to rep to either at the very least make it a training opportunity or escalate it to uh let a reprimand or you know, or or worse. I'm not and I don't I'm not saying it should be worse. I'm just saying whether that's like my you know mandatory training or whatever else. But yeah, I think that should be looked into.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

My my my investigative mindset when I look at that, especially as being a supervisor, I I see no immediate apology, I see no arrest. You right like you can literally see the light bulb go off. Oh fark. Like you can see the light bulb go off. It's not littering, it's on our own property, it's not even out in the yard, it's on the porch. So we don't have littering, we have no offense of her doing that. So you went hands-on based off of that snap decision. And then here's where if I was to follow through with this case, this is what I'd be hoping to see. That you apologized, one. I I would hope that you did. I we didn't see that. And and he actually walks off. And that's the last I see on that video. Um I would hope you went and self-reported without leaving scene. I would hope you stayed out in your car. Hey, Sergeant, I need you to come here. I screwed up. And I hope that got caught on your body cam. Because that's gonna go into the I like I said, I I do truly think at first he was like, oh, littering, and he was wrong. I think that's what he was ego in in the littering, and then I think he realized it, but that doesn't mean you're immune from not getting in trouble. Um but to make it better for me to sit with for this guy to still have a job, I want I want you to show remorse. I want you to have taken the right steps without having to be investigated for it. Like I want you to trigger that investigation. If I have anything shy of that, I got no leniency.

SPEAKER_07 30:42

I thoroughly agree with what you're saying, especially from the context of what I do when well, if he made a mistake, because I've got people will call me, and um if if as an employment lawyer on on the civil side, so like I can't help you if you if you truly violate your policies and they're tagging you for it, then I I don't get involved in that. Um also I'm also a firm believer in right and wrong, follow the rules, do what you're supposed to do, do do what's hard. Like the definition of integrity is do what's hard when nobody's looking. And so I did that. I would like mess up when I was at the sheriff's office, call my sergeant right away and say, Holy crap, I messed up. What do I do? Um, and they he would say, Oh no, but Bridget, you're overreacting, just do such and such. But I but certainly it can be much worse than that. And that I agree with you in the sense that if I'm giving advice to somebody like I messed up, what should I do? I would say exactly what you said, which is if you know you you might have crossed the lines and what you should have done per policy or law or whatever, stop where you are right away, get your sergeant and tell them. Now, I'm not saying like you might have a shitty sergeant who like, and there are so many stories of what I do is that, like, oh, and then they targeted me after that, or blah, blah, blah, whatever. But no matter what, if you did something where you're violating somebody's civil rights or or you've cry, you've potentially crossed over into criminal violation, stop what you're doing right away because you're going to minimize it. And to say exactly what you said. And also, hopefully, as a good supervisor, is like what obviously you are, is help them through that. Like, no big deal, and we can fix this. And then if they made a mistake and they've got to be written up about it, then don't that's not a big deal. You're there's nobody that gets through this profession without something in their file, period. Yeah, no matter what. So uh I would say that what you said, like pull over, call your sergeant, have them come over. What whether or not I think he would have the courage to go up and say, listen, Lady, I'm sorry, but you're you and your sergeant are going to be able to address that in a way to fix it. And if it results in a letter in your file, I've seen incidents where it results in something like an email of a sergeant saying, I'm aware of the situation, we're handling it on the training side. And that is fine. There's a record of it that's important for you and the public to show that it was acknowledged because then they can the public can never come back and say, Oh, look, see, this is a rogue cop, and he just got away with it. Even just saying we're aware of it, it's a training issue, we're taking care of it. It doesn't have to result in a let a pip, you know, in your file or a ding in your file. It could, but that's okay because you're gonna be a cop for a long time and those things happen.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Yeah, you're gonna screw it, and that's the other thing that I I'm I'm trying to get more out of the public is a grace for making mistakes in a job that demands perfection.

SPEAKER_07 33:39

But I think it's important to say, like a mistake, we're not talking about, oh, I killed the wrong person. That's not what we mean. Right. Like we don't want that to happen either. I don't like we all want to prevent first of all, no cop wants to shoot anybody. First of all, or really hurt anybody. Even like any anytime you get into a big fight, that people are always saying, stop. Like cops are begging them to stop, always. And if they're not, then they should be evaluated. Um, but my point being that yeah, but go ahead. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

Yeah, oh no, you're good. You're good. Um, I just you know, I I'm trying to help guide, I guess, uh my perspective to people on the show, anyways. And I think quite a few people have kind of come around to what I'm saying. They may not necessarily fully agree, but there are times where I'm like, look, he screwed up, but is it is it fixable? All the time and money that's been spent into the training and getting this this cat to where he's at, do you really want to waste your city's money on something that could be fixed? I I don't think you do. I just think sometimes, and this is where other people have to be honest and have kind of that self-reflection. Are you making an emotional judgment just because you got kind of a little bias against police? Or are you legitimately think, like, no, I this guy can't be in public anymore. Um you can't have him dealing with the public, it's just not in them. And I definitely think mistakes of the heart, like if you've got mean intentions, like I don't have any forgiveness on that stuff. Like the the whole Sonia Massey the boiling water. I don't know if you saw that one. Yeah, like that one infuriated me because that call should have been over with bef well before they ever made entry into the house, which they shouldn't have done that either. Like it was a crazy lady that was saying crazy stuff and you didn't have a crime. She was worried somebody's breaking in the house. They weren't. You checked it, fucking beat feet and go. But they wanted to keep pushing, keep pushing, trying to get now, they're trying to get ID, they're trying to do all this like stupid shit. And what did it end up being? It it should have been. There's so many times they should have just left, but then there should have been a time when the training officer should have told this nut job cop that was like, I'm gonna put a fucking hole in your fucking face, like that instantly. If you would have said that when we're on a call, Bridget, together, I'd have been like, hey, partner, why don't you go out to the car?

SPEAKER_07 36:06

Yeah, I got this one.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

I got this. You're a little on edge. Um, Mr. Ben to six different departments in the last you know couple years. Like, that's a right thing.

SPEAKER_07 36:15

Oh, yeah. Oh shoot.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Yeah, he's going to prison now.

SPEAKER_07 36:17

So I've had people like that call me, like, how many government and always say that how many, how many you know, law enforcement jobs you've had? Oh, I've been at

Self Reporting Mistakes And Supervisor Role

SPEAKER_07 36:24

three places in four years. Like, oh, um yeah, that's a record. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

Yeah. Yeah. And in and so, like, I want to hope that no cop wants to shoot anybody, but there are sometimes I get that vibe where I'm like, well, you I've been itchy.

SPEAKER_07 36:39

Listen, if you're in this, I I have I say and definitely said it when I was in the job that, and like no offense to any of you, but I because I believe I choose to be positive, probably not Debbie Downer, is but I do think sometimes there's a fine line between cop and criminal.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Absolutely. How okay, I can tell you this like I've heard other officers, like especially younger officers too, um, under 25 years of age, like, man, I hope somebody fucks around today and finds out. And I'm just like, you're an idiot. Like, yeah, in in full discretion. When I was a young cop, I kind of thought the same thing, not about just general citizens, though. I was hoping, like, you know, the homicide suspect would run by me and be like, I hope he doesn't, you know, I hope he doesn't listen to me so I can get his ass. Like, I remember thinking stupid shit like that, but I'm older and more seasoned.

SPEAKER_07 37:31

And have you ever heard a female say that?

SPEAKER_01 37:35

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:36

I did too one time. It was when I was close to leaving the sheriff's office, and SWAT team was in called in to do help administer like this PT test we were giving. Because my we had a great sheriff, and he was given this like uh rewards program where if you would pass this PT test, you'd get extra money or extra days off or whatever, which I thought was great because our normal PT test was such a joke. And um this girl came up and she was maybe a year in, and not that I was that much longer in, but I just was a lot older than her. I started, I mean, I just started later than her, I guess. Maybe I was closer to 30, and she was maybe, I don't know, 20 something. Not that that's that big a difference because now I'm 50 something and they're all young. Anyway, um there was this guy on our SWAT team, his name, well, I won't say his name, but he was former Marine. I mean, he's a great guy, I just spare his name. I don't have any beef with him. Uh, great guy, former Marine, totally looked like a Marine, you know, like the haircut, the thick neck, just like if you could put a bulldog into a man's body, that was him. But great guy. And um she said, Oh, just give me 30 seconds with name, and I would take him. And I literally looked at him and I said, You're out of your fucking mind. And she's like, What? I could do it. I said, You would die if you fought with him in 30 seconds, and then you would make the entire department rush to your aid and probably get a lot of people hurt in the process. Like, what? And she was so offended by what I said. I I couldn't believe I was like, you are out of your freaking mind and you're gonna get people hurt. Like, that's the stupidest thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

Let me, I know we've talked about this in the past, but we got a lot of new people, and uh, I want to be a little bit controversial.

SPEAKER_07 39:21

Do it.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

What is your feeling about females in law enforcement having been in the tier one division of law enforcement as a female?

SPEAKER_07 39:33

You know, my opinions of this have changed a lot over the years. When I left the sheriff's office, I was like, fuck all of them. Fuck you with two middle fingers. Like, I was pissed because I was good. I was physically capable. And just to put it as an example, like we had a SWAT team. Uh, we would compete at um SWAT Roundup International in Florida and Orlando. They still have it every year. Um, in order to compete on the competition team, I had to beat out some of my own teammates. So the first year I tie I went, we had two teams. So most of us went because they were we had 21 or 22 teammates, and two teams of six went, but still some of my teammates didn't go. The second time we went, only one team went, and I had to try out for it. So I beat, you know, I was one of six that I beat the other of the 21 or 22 that didn't go. So obviously I was capable of doing that. And then we placed in the top 20 out of 74 or 76 teams. I don't remember where we were exactly, like overall, I can't remember, and then each day you place differently. But and then not only that, but we would have you'd have six people in the team, but each day only five competed. So, in order for me to compete in the actual competition, I had to be better than that one other SWAT team. I only set out one competition that year, and one of them I did not set out set out on was the ob school course. So one of my six teammates, I was you know as the only female, and it was amazing. Having said that, women are women and men are men, and there's nothing you can do to change that. Apples and oranges. I will never be a dude and you'll never be a chick. And there are some hardwired factors in there. Do I think women are capable of doing the job? Absolutely. Did I do it to the same standard the men did? Absolutely. Exact same tryout, exact same shooting, exact same clearing. Now, can I carry a 350-pound dude from a burning building? Not necessarily, but did I carry the same dummy, the however much he weighed during the tryout, get him to the van like everybody? Yes. Well, we all have our strong suits. So I'm not always the person that would be the battery. I'm gonna answer your question. I think that women have a very strong role to play in law enforcement because they have a way of engaging with humans that men just don't. Not all men,

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but most men. And most men who are in law enforcement. That being said, women definitely have a different physical ability, period. No matter what. I was never going to fight, I was never going to arrest somebody on my own without somebody else to back me up, if I could at all help it when I was in law enforcement, because I'm not stupid. I don't care if the guy was smaller than me. He has more testosterone than me. And I'm not gonna do that if I can all help it. Now I worked in a jurisdiction where I was in a patrol car by myself the majority of my 12-hour shift. So if I had to do an arrest, I was really good at calling for backup and saying, like they would, you know, we would do that as two, but it might take me 30 minutes of bullshitting.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

So I'm saying the right way to do it.

SPEAKER_07 42:56

It is the right way to do it.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

That's how a man would be doing it too. That's how I would do it.

SPEAKER_07 43:00

I mean, I hunt why would you ever do that shit by yourself if you didn't know?

SPEAKER_01 43:03

I say I preach on you all the time stop making arrests by yourself. That's where you get in trouble.

SPEAKER_07 43:07

And I have like I've had a client who got in trouble for doing a felony arrest by himself when he should have waited. He misremembered a fact on a video. He's like, Oh, well, he got out on his own. The videos showed that he called the guy out. He didn't remember because it's adrenaline, and that's a real fact. That's a thing. Adrenaline makes you misremember things. Also, sidebar as your attorney, I'm gonna say, always review the video before you answer questions. That's all I'm gonna say. Um, so uh I'm gonna say, as a female, you're just different, and you're never ever going to be the same. And if you expect them to invite you to the same parties and be included, included in the crew, you're just not gonna be. You can be friendly, you can be friends, but it's never gonna be the same. And that's where even I got that wrong when I was in the at the sheriff's office. You've just got to remember that. It's just a fact. And you can still be good at your job and respected, and but you're never gonna be one of the boys, no matter what. And do I think women can do the job? Yes, but you must remember what you're just you you have to be cognizant of what your abilities are. Now that I work, I worked with some badass, strongest freaking ever women, um stronger than me, bigger than me. And I mean I'm five five and I don't remember what I weighed back then, but not big. And I've never been a bulky person, I've never been a loud person. I can scream like the heck of them. My kids would tell you I'm really good at screaming, but I'm not the biggest one. And so you have to be aware of that and know what your strengths are and just and and know what those battles are going to be. Um, the other problem I have with women in law enforcement is, and I'll say that in a way to potentially piss people off to hear me, is if you're going to have a child and you're going to get pregnant on the job, for heaven's sake, go on light duty and stop, do not put your baby at risk. It is not worth it. I don't care what your assignment is. Now, would I have been upset to come off SWAT and narcotics, like the stuff that I worked so hard for if I was pregnant? Yes. Would I have been worried about they weren't going to put me back? Absolutely. But I have three kids now. And there's not as, and granted, I would I wasn't a mom back then, but I am a mom now. And you're a dad, not to share your story, sorry. Um, but they know I mean if if you're a parent, I'm just saying, um, don't do that to yourself. And I've heard so many stories when women will say, Oh, I'm not gonna tell them I'm pregnant, they'll take me off the job. Yes, they should take you off the job. Are you out of your mind? And as a sergeant, if you're aware of a female being on your shift and being pregnant and you don't do something about it, you are creating a problem and a liability proof for yourself. And I promise you they'll put you on the stand later and say that you and get you to prove that you knew it because lying is hard to keep up with, and then you're gonna get sued when that per when something happens to her. I promise you, don't do it.

SPEAKER_01 46:12

Yeah. Um, I want to read I am boss's comment. Where did it go? I had it here. I lost it. Oh, there it is. He said, Women have a broad ego, no pun intended. Just because they have those real cops behind her, they'd have no chance as a citizen. So they have to overcompensate. They don't belong on the street, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_07 46:36

That's an interesting opinion, I am, boss. Uh, is that person a cop or not? Do I know?

SPEAKER_01 46:42

I don't have no idea. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 46:44

Okay. Uh, I thoroughly disagree with that. Um, I was a very good at my job. I feel uh, and I think a lot of women are very good at their jobs. And women can, like I say, women can relate to people in a way that men are incapable of doing. And no, they don't need to be like in the office and waiting for them to come in to be talked to. Um, women can diffuse situations in a way just by being present. And also, I think you need to be aware of who's what everybody's abilities are. Um, don't if you you know, people need to be able to be people need to be able to fight no matter what. So I thoroughly okay, well, I and I appreciate you asking the question. Um, but no, I I thoroughly disagree with that. I do think women have a very I do think women should be a part of the job. I do think it balanced things out in the in the grand scheme of things. Um and I also very much think people and sergeants and up need to always be aware of people's abilities. And that comes down to the sergeants on the street really doing their jobs and engaging with their people and talking with them and tracking what they do so that they know what people can and cannot do and move them as they need to be moved.

SPEAKER_01 47:55

I'm uh I'm about to I'm gonna try to drop some Confucius uh wisdom. Do it, do it. Um, first, Freeman. Yes, we can see your chat, brother. Freeman's one of our regulars. Uh what up, free? Uh I'm gonna propose a a stat that I can't substantiate. It's just I'm just going off my experience, training around this nation. There are more females in policing that can talk themselves through a call than there are male cops that know how to fight. And what I mean by that is because there's so many male cops that don't know how to fight, uses of force go up versus the amount of females that actually have to go hands-on and try to defend themselves. I think there are more guy cops that can't fight and use too much force than there are female cops that can't fight and get into a use of force. I have nothing to substantiate that, no real research. I am just like y'all, say here's another topic that we're gonna get into tonight is when people say, Well, most cops, they're cops because they got bullied, or you know, uh most cops they do this. I'm like, where are you getting this most? Where like truly, where are you getting it from? At least I'll be honest and upfront. I am telling you, just based on all of the training and stuff that I've done over my time, I've got no real research to back this up, but I have seen more females that can talk their way through a tough call than I have seen cops that can actually male cops that can actually fight and get into a higher use of force because they don't know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_07 49:32

So I I would agree with that on in two ways. One, having been a female, I can distinctly remember being on whatever highways. Having been a female, having having been a deputy sheriff as a female, I just I just hate it. Very good point. My husband's like that. He's I had to cross-examine. Yeah, I appreciate that very much. Um, having still been a female, and I remember being a female back in the day, um, when I was a deputy sheriff, um, being on this highway, it was one of those nights where it was no moon, like pitch black. And I had pulled somebody over, um, and it was under those like two lanes. I mean, just it was like a wide highway, nobody was going anywhere. It was in the rural parts of our county, and this person had a warrant. And thankfully I had the earpiece because I worked nights and called out, they had a warrant. So I was I called somebody, I called backup and I was waiting and waiting and waiting. And the person, you know, you can kind of tell when they like they kind of start doing they, you know, they start, yeah, they kind of start moving a little because we our agency, when you did a traffic stop, you always called people out. You never left them in the car. So we called them out and we were waiting. And I was like, man, I'm so sorry. Yeah, dispatch is so backed up tonight. This is so aggravating. And you know, I was like, man, this is oh my gosh, they just told me like, and I just BS my way through it. And then somebody pulled up behind him and he's like, What is that? And I was like, I don't know, I think it's my partner. He was wondering, he's he's wondering what's going on too. And and as soon as he walked up, he's like, Okay, I need you to turn around and put your hands behind your back, you have a warrant. And that I would say, versus somebody who will be like, put your hands behind your back, and you're in the middle of nowhere, pitch black. Now, the converse of that is, and we all know as law enforcement, and I would say to the world, is one of the most dangerous things you can do in law enforcement is a traffic stop because you don't know who you're pulling over. And especially you just never know. Somebody who just got out of prison, never's gonna go back and comes out guns ablazing. Shortly after I left the sheriff's office, a guy, what I can't remember the exact details about how he got into the woods, but they chased this guy, traffic stop went into the woods. Um, it was in my area. Like we had a SWAT team. Um, it was Alachra County, uh Ocala, I can't remember their county right now, Marion County. They had a SWAT team. So it was so it was enough of a situation where they called in three different SWAT teams. This guy was uh shooting and um shot the chased this guy into the woods, shot a K9. So then they call on everybody in, they go search for him. Um and uh they end up shooting him 60 times. And later the sheriff said, Um, why'd you shoot him 60 times? And then, well, I guess they ran out of bullets. Um, it was not long after I left the sheriff's office when that happened. But the point being, was it the same department? Not my department that was near me. It was just near me when that um I think my agency's SWAT team got called, like they were just calling out because it was bad enough. They that um that's not Lake City, it's a little bit south of me in Florida, anyway. Um, the sheriff is still there. Something greedy.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

I know, yeah, yeah. Great. I I've tried to get him on here before.

SPEAKER_07 52:59

Um, he's great. Keep trying, he's working.

SPEAKER_01 53:02

I don't think he will. I don't think he will because I really I ask hard questions. Like I I'll let my audience ask questions and oh if it's good at doing that, but he's so pro-cop. Like, don't get me wrong.

SPEAKER_07 53:16

Very well, that's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

He's so pro-cop. I don't I just don't think his people will let him do my show.

SPEAKER_07 53:22

Well, but he's also a politician, he's a sheriff. So I mean he has an argument to be made, and and he gets elected to do that.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

So I I just think my audience would would ask.

SPEAKER_07 53:31

I think also maybe your constituent, you need to get make start, you need to get more people from Florida and they'll they'll get you in. Right. Uh but uh my point being, as a female, would I wanted to get all the fighting tactics? Absolutely. But do I think that men rely a little too much on the fact that they're just men, not a little or a lot, depending on you, um, of learning the right tactics. I think that's changed a lot since I went to the academy where they taught you just regular old DT and taught you to fall down with your arms by your sides and then that's stupid stuff. Um, right. Um, versus now where it's more jujitsu style and grappling and really like Hell yeah, brother. Like that is what like I never did that, and now I'm too old to try. But I definitely would have back then and not too old.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

Like, let's not get started about Helio did it into his 80s, you're fine.

SPEAKER_07 54:27

No, listen, I'm good. Let's just say I'm good. Um, I I'm capable of running away. Let's just say enough.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

I like it.

SPEAKER_07 54:34

Um and protecting my kids. I will protect my kids no matter what. Let's just say that. Uh, but I would say that it's more of you, you if you're gonna be in this job, you need to equip yourself in all ways possible in all ways possible. And I don't mean buying all the stupid guns you don't need. I mean learn how to fight and learn how to survive. And that does not mean shooting, it means fighting. If you're gonna go with that, if you're gonna go hands-on, know how to do that. And and so I just think I think there's not enough of that. Um, I don't, and I think that's some agency issues, not necessarily a person issue. I think more agencies should do all that they can. I worked at an agency where we our our sheriff gave us lots of training and lots of equipment. I was very lucky that way. Um, and I don't, I think there's too many agencies that don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

Yeah. Um, I think one of the things I I I highlighted a couple of these comments that they had with Grady is um the no-body cams. And I gotta say, I have a big, I have a big issue with that myself.

SPEAKER_07 55:37

Oh, I do too. In today's world, you can't get away from it. Just do it.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

I mean you shouldn't want like listen, I I am the definition of that feeling you get when you're driving down the freeway, and all of a sudden you realize you just passed a trooper and you didn't like, even as a cop, I'm like, oh fuck. Like you're looking down. Was I speedy like the whole Parker factor? That is the exact same instinct I have when I have accidentally walked out of the sector without my body cam on my on my person when I knew I was going on duty. That is the type of reaction you should have when you don't have a body cam. I want uh Insta360 somehow just mounted on my head. Like I want as many angles about everything I'm doing as possible. Um, and the fact that there's agencies still out there, not a lot of them, but there's a agencies still out there that don't have them.

SPEAKER_07 56:28

Sheriff Grady's one of those that won't do body cam.

SPEAKER_01 56:30

Well, not only does he not have them, he kind of brags about it.

SPEAKER_07 56:32

Like it's a oh wow, that is surprising to me because number one, like I said, in today's world, you're not gonna this it's inevitable. One, two, is from an officer perspective, and I've said this many times, I've been on like many podcasts where I've said we've had conversations around as an officer, don't wait on your if your agency is not giving you training, that sucks. Go get it. There's no excuse for it whatsoever. They'll more than likely pay for it. If they can't pay for it, you'll probably find somebody who could get that can cover it for you. People do scholarships. You you want to go to some conference, send them an email and say, My agency won't pay for it. Can you cover it? They probably will do it. Um, you're gonna get the credit for it for your certification. And so educate yourself. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever. And I will tell you that in the courts, the standard is knew or should have known. So, depending on how long you've been a cop, you're gonna need to know. You're going to need to learn it and learn all the things. And that includes things like defensive tactics. Like I wanted to go, let's say, for example, uh, I was gonna try and go to the Florida Deputy Sheriff's Association conference in May in Florida. I mean, that's my people. I was Florida Deputy Sheriff. I can't go anyway. That there's a lot of tactical training there. Um the the SWAT roundup training that uh that I competition that I went to, they have tactical training there. I know you would think like tactical like SWAT guys, why do they need training? They train all the time, they need more training. I don't, you can never, the second that you feel like I got this, I don't need any more training, is the second that you're creating liabilities for yourself. So, and also dangers for yourself. Like just protect yourselves in always, and also it makes the job more fun. The job is too hard already.

Body Cameras And Training Culture

SPEAKER_07 58:23

Just go learn something you don't know, go do some of a different job, create yourself. And what you're also doing is you're making yourselves more marketable for the next position, agency, or wherever you want to go. Just you don't just sit where you are. And now I knew some guys that were just perfectly happy being deputy sheriffs for 30 years. Good for them, as long as they were still able to do the job the right way. Um, but I just think you, and again, at my agency, we had a lot of different trainings that were required. Florida has a lot of different trainings that are required. Uh, I know Texas is the same where we where we are. Uh, all states were that way. Some of them not so much. Um, I'll spare those names. But um, no matter I don't care what your requirements are, you should be educating yourself so that you can protect yourself and be happier. Just keep you just be happy.

SPEAKER_01 59:13

Uh I'm gonna read, I'm not gonna read his name because I'll get canceled if I do. Uh and I'm not gonna tell me later. Yeah, uh, you could see. Well, no, you can't. Yeah, I don't know if you can see the chat or not. Where the hell did it go? I just added up here. He was asking about northern cops. Okay, I'll I'll just say one more. One more asked. How come police in northern states seem to protect people's rights of people a little more? They seem not to press the public as much. I would say that that's just a perception.

unknown 59:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 59:44

I would say that's just how you're seeing things. Um because I've seen, like in Texas, for instance, I've seen a lot of good police work protecting Second Amendment rights. Okay. Because everybody's got a gun. But I've also seen really bad examples of violating somebody's Second Amendment rights, and it was in Texas. So I'm like, I always looked at Texas as having the the it's the pro-gun state. But there's examples of cops pressing people's rights, and I'm like, you're an idiot. Like you're stomping all over this dude's rights, shouldn't have dearmed him, shouldn't have done all this. Florida, another one. I always thought of Florida as a very pro-gun state. And then um, there's a great video out there that we shared on here of a female officer trying to disarm uh voluntarily. The the guy did give consent for her to take his gun off her hip, and instead of just pulling the whole holster out, she pulls the gun and drops the round in his leg, shoots the dude on a basic traffic stop. So we got into the whole topic about taking somebody's firearm. So the point that I'm trying to get to one more is uh I don't really think that that's true. I just think it's probably been your experience and what you've seen. He's laughing because I didn't say his name. Uh listen, bro, I know, I know my role. I don't have permission to see.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:01

Just open up the chat. Sorry, I just opened up the chat and I'm seeing what some folks are saying, which is funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

There, there you go.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:06

Now you can see. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:09

So yeah, and feel free if you want to jump on any of the comments.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:12

Thanks, Mr. Billford. Mr.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

Bill Fold, yeah. He's uh he's one of our sorry, Bill Fold, not Force.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:18

Mr. Bill Fold. Sorry about that. Sorry, Mr. Bill Fold. Sorry, I see you, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

Yeah, he's uh he's been on the show. He actually, do you remember? Do you know Force Science's uh von Kleen from Force uh Force Science? Um he's a huge use of force expert. He's a cop and attorney, does all the goes around the country. Um we should meet.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:40

No, I haven't.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:41

Oh no my god, I should get you two. I should get you, uh Anthony Bandero from Blue to Gold. Yeah, uh, he's a um arrest, search and seizure uh expert. Um and then I should get uh von Klem on. I get all three of you on, and we can just have a fucking legal talk on here about policing and all that stuff. That would be fun.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:02

That would be fun because I certainly don't that that's a definitely a specialty that I don't do, and also just having been a cop. So uh certainly I'm gonna and they've all been cops.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:14

Um actually, I think I think Von is actually I think he still is a cop. I think he's like a reservist, but um, yeah, it'd be fun. Um Freeman said, Bridget, we appreciate you coming out for us tonight. Yeah, and like I said, a lot of our guys they'll give you shit, they're gonna give you hard questions and and I'm good with it. And they're gonna they're just you know, they they're gonna want to see if you we had we had a chief on here one night, and uh I won't say who it was, but he's just let's say he was in the the Midwest area and we were just talking about basic trespass and he butchered it. I mean, absolutely like all the things that I talk about on a lot of my trespass videos about forcing ID and all this stuff, when you don't have a right to somebody's ID on a civil issue. And I and he's like so I brought it up. Just think I I should have should have known better, but I brought the topic up and he just butchered it, and I'm sitting there and I'm trying to like do damage control, and my guys in the chat, Mr. Billfold and all the rest of them, are lighting him up, and I know he's seeing it, and I'm just like I'm just being respectful. I'm not gonna, I'm never gonna tear down a guest or anything like that, but I am watching this man just get destroyed by everybody in the chat. And after we got him off, me and Banning, which Banning should be jumping on tonight. I want you guys to know Banning was out doing Banning's got such a reputation. I don't know if you've met Banning on our show, but he's my my co-host. Um he got called out by his former agency to help with a CIT issue of an I I won't put out too much business. CIT issue with somebody in their city and went out there to help. And he's currently that's what he's doing right now. He's helping that guy get the help he needs. Um talk somebody off a ledge type thing. So uh shout out to Banning tonight, who's not he he should join us if he can. He said he's gonna jump on. He's just not sure when he's gonna be able to get on you. So um, but yeah, if you don't know banning, you should uh hit him up on LinkedIn. That's his big thing. Um Freeman Key said Von Kleem is a damn wizard. He really is. Yeah, if you don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:27

I'm gonna say uh Bill Fold, sorry, Mr. Billfold said he'd rather take a volume than have three listen to three lawyers. I don't I don't doubt that, Mr. Billfold. I I don't usually like to be in a room with a bunch of lawyers at one time because and that's generally why I don't get very many lawyers. Because uh, but I definitely like to say I'm not a typical lawyer because I can't stand it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:49

Oh my god, but it'd be so funny.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:51

Especially especially trial lawyers, nobody can pat themselves on the back. I've always said like their arm must hurt because they're just pat they just patting themselves on the back so much. Uh there's a reason why I don't work in law firms anymore. I can't stand them. I can't like it's just not my my jam, but um, I get to do what I do for myself and for cops. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:12

Um so banning they're making fun of well, they're not making fun of them, but they're teasing banning a little bit. Um banning's like he is a true tech, his name's Banning Sweatland. I mean, is as Texas a name as it comes, right? And he is as country as it gets when it comes to he's like he was 350 plus pounds, six foot two, marine, like just a country fed boy. And uh he's retired now. He did just retired maybe a year ago. Um, but anyway, he went on a fast. He's trying to, you know, he's trying to better himself, trying to lose weight. And um when the dude shakes your hands, he's like one of those guys that you just everything about you turns into pussy. Like you're just like, oh my god, I'm such a bitch shaking this man's hand. Like I I did one, his hand engulfs my hand. Two, I know without a doubt, all he'd have to do is grab me by the back of the neck. There's nothing I could do about it. As much jujitsu as I know, and as long as I've been training, if banning got a hold of me, I'm done. I can't do anything. Um, but he's been fasting. He fasted for like eight days in a row.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:17

He's dropped like like water fasting.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:20

Yes. Yes. Water, I maybe caffeine too. But um, yeah, so he's and he's loving it. And so he they were asking if he's eaten yet. He has eaten, guys. He just he's not gonna go 40 days and 40 nights while eating, but um he's lost a lot of weight, he's got a lot of progress going on, doing really well. Jesus. Yeah, yeah. I know, right? So they're all they're all giving him some shit. Uh but yeah, he's he's looking good, he's doing really well. And uh I I commend him because I have a heart. I've done a three-day fast, that's the most I've ever fasted. And I can tell you right now, if I would have done that while I was on duty, I would have got fired. I was I was the biggest asshole. I didn't, you couldn't have nothing made me laugh.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:05

No, no, you can I I know there's a lot of science behind it. I I believe strongly like intermittent fasting or restricted eating time frames. And I do I generally do carnivore, I mean just all the whatever things. And uh, but strict fasting, I I've never brought myself. I I hear that after about 72 hours that you can get into like another state of mind, which is really great. But once you get past the the hunger, I it it's somebody told me once, I've had three kids, and I never did without an epidural. And after I had my second second, I think I said my my sister-in-law done it without epidural, and I was like, uh, maybe I'll try that next time. And she goes, Let me tell you what, you better be very sure it's what you want to do, or you won't make it. And I feel like if you're gonna fast, like that's you have to go into it with that mindset. You have to be very sure that that's what you're gonna do. Otherwise, those hung that you you can't do it. I've done like bone broth fasts or you know, things like that, which I like a lot, but not I just know no sus nothing but water and cat, I can't do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

I'm a big I like I like to work out, like so. I'm I'm the type that I start to go down this. I try to eat clean, it's kind of follow an 80-20. I do intermittent fasting just naturally. I don't do it because it's what I should do, it's just because I don't get hungry. And then when I do get hungry, I eat a lot, and then I'm done. Like, I just so that's

Fitness Fasting And Life Outside Patrol

SPEAKER_01 1:08:36

just kind of what I do. Um I try not to eat too much before I go to bed. It just seems smart. Like uh, so that's how I am, but I live kind of by the 80-20 where I eat 20% of the shit I eat is bad.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:47

I totally ate all the onion rings and french fries yesterday, and it was delicious, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:51

So I don't have a problem eating good food, but my thing is I'm addicted. Like, I have a pool now. This first pool I've ever had in my life, like personal pool, and um I swim every day if I can. I'll swim for 20 minutes, half an hour.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:06

Like you get cold weather up there.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:08

So yeah, but it's right now, like I've learned that I can tolerate about 70 degree water.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

Once I get going, as long as I get swimming pretty quick, like it's cold, I could probably drop it down to maybe 68. That's about as cold as I'm gonna let it get. Um, but my water's already 74 degrees, so it's perfect right now. Like, honestly, when I get in and get going, like I love it.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:32

Your pool 74?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:34

Yeah. Well, mine is today it was 74.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:38

I put my feet in today and I was like, oh, I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:42

Yeah, I I'm telling you, once you get going, I'm doing it to work out, so like I have a snorkel, I'm tethered, and I oh you really do it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got like a bungee tether that I wear, it's a swimming tether.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:55

What are you training for?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:58

Life. Nothing.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:01

Oh, it's just your exercise. You're not training for like a trathlon or some swimming thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:06

I'm I mean, I'm still in the military, so I gotta my fitness level has to be.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:10

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:11

Um, I gotta do uh at least be able to run two miles, push-ups and sit-ups. But as far as my sergeant gig goes for where I work, I sure as shit ain't dealing with the public, so I don't I don't really need fitness for what I do anymore.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:24

I really were if I had a regret in life of something I wouldn't have wish I would have done in life that I didn't, it would have been uh serving in the military somehow. When I was in law school, I um was gonna do JAG um as my way to contribute. And um, and then I met my husband and I moved to Texas.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:46

So hell yeah, brother. His fault.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:51

But yeah, I feel like my SWAT years were I want to say lost because I feel like I served my community in a good way. Um, but maybe those were my like by the time I went through my 20s and went to law school and then started working at the law firm, and then I would go to this law firm and started putting up people started giving me shit. I was like, dude, I'm done with you. Like I've done shit. Like I'm not putting up your shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:16

Like I what did I worked at a firm for a while and then um I wanted to work with cops really badly. After a while, I'm like, okay, I can't stand this. I just want to work with cops. Went to work with a firm where they were defending cops and police departments, but more from an insurance carrier perspective, which I'd say don't do. And the guy I worked for is a complete turd. And after about four months, I was like, you know what? I want this job, but I don't need this job, and I am not putting up with your shit. So I quit and I started this. So it all works out.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:48

I like it. Uh, shout out to Shotguns and Tattoos. She's been with us for a long time. Um, and you learn something new about your people all the time. And she said, I don't do healthy, but today is six months over. So congrats.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:59

Good for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

Something to be proud.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:02

That is healthy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:03

Yeah. Especially, especially knowing that it was an issue for you. Um, it is not an issue for me. So I am having my drink right now. Actually, I should give a shout out to Tactical Tequila Podcast. I've been on it. Uh, Bridget, you should be on his podcast. I should.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:20

I write that down. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:23

Really good dude. Um, I think he was into dignitary protection for a long time. Uh, also military. Um, good dude. I I can't remember his full background off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:32

I don't only drink tequila anymore. I used to drink wine all the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:37

He sent me this bottle about two weeks ago.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:40

Is it good?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:41

Oh, it's gone. I finished it in two weeks.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:43

Oh, okay. That's the answer.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:45

Um, I it's gonna be hard to read, but it's called Don Vicente. Uh it's a I think the name of it is called Fuerte. Fuerte? Reposado. So um it's one of those. He's a tequila connoisseur, and that's I I like sipping drinks. So um I'm a big big bourbon guy, and I I do like tequila, but he always makes fun of me because I drink tequilas that um have additives to them, I guess.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:10

Oh, is that additive free?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

Additive free.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:13

Oh, I'm sold. That's what I drink. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

You know, you learn something new all the time.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:18

Yep, and he was I'll try that one. I'm gonna reach out to him, and that's the tag is he had me an additive free.

unknown 1:13:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:24

So I will uh I'll link you guys. I'll I'll do a group text, but shout out to Tactical Skill Podcast. Make sure you guys check him out. He does his questions very organized. Me, you know me, I freestyle. We I had no agenda tonight. I was like, let's just talk and look. We've had zero pauses this whole time. We've already been going uh shit an hour, almost hour and a half. So um, yeah, yeah. So for me, I don't I don't have pre-ordained questions and all that stuff, but uh yeah, he has very structured his podcasts is very structured, and it's like he asks really good questions. I thought I think that's what I like. Is like he just thinks of stuff I wouldn't have thought thought to ask. So um, and it probably frustrates my my this is why I like to do the live. I know I don't think of the best stuff to ask, I know that. So I depend on the audience. It's my chance.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:14

I disagree with that. I think our first interview, the first time we chatted, I feel like we went almost two hours. Oh, for sure. I could talk with the best of them. Wait, wait, honestly, Freeman Keys said, Um, most guys are turds, Bridget. That's hilarious. That's not true, Freeman Keys. Not all of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:31

Yeah. Marine Bloods. Do you have fasting stories? Share it on Discord. Yeah, guys, make sure you're joining our Discord. Give give our uh mods a shout out tonight. Um, we've got Twitchy Skitch out there. I saw her already. Uh, we've got Marine Blood. Uh, he's in the house, and then I believe Tim was on. I I haven't seen him chat in a second, but uh, I think he's still here. So three mods kicking ass for us behind the scenes. Um, I don't know if Nat is on. Uh I want to bring this topic up real quick. Sorry, Bridget. This has nothing to do with you at the moment. Um, I have mods that run a lot of our stuff across all of our social media. Uh and they will come up with rules for certain pages and stuff, guys. They have my blessing. So if they tell you a rule and you're like, does your does Eric know about this? I might not. But guess what? I'm not running the page they are. So I am a person that will let my people run and do what they think needs to be done. And if it becomes a problem, then we'll we'll talk about it and we'll fix it or figure out why they did what they did and then put that out there. But until then, quit trying to jump their shit for just trying to make the pages successful. Um, it is what it is. I call it good or bad. I've reached a point where I can't keep up with the comments anymore. I I get what I can. People will point out things they want me to answer that somebody else may have asked, and I'll do my best. But we we have a good problem. We have 500,000 plus followers across all of our platforms.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:58

Good for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:59

I can't keep up, so it is what it is.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:01

Yeah, I can't keep up anymore either.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:04

Um, yeah, you know, and and we're growing every single day. We grow and we grow. It's cool, it's a fun problem to have. I I it means we're doing the right thing. I I think the main reason why we are growing is because of the audience we have. You guys ask tough questions, you're fair, you're balanced. Um, and you know, some of you couldn't stand police when you first started with our page. And we gave you a shot as far as answering your questions and trying to have actual discussion. Um, and now we've got a lot of people that aren't necessarily pro-cop, but at least they're willing to have conversations and call me on my bullshit because sometimes I'm on some bullshit and I don't realize it. And they call me out. So, all right, and rant. Uh, yes, shout out to Harrison Brock, he's in the in the house too. I didn't see him over there. He goes, You forgot, how did you forget me? I'm sorry, Harrison, I didn't even see you chatting over there yet today. So, my bad. Tim said, I'm here. He said, Grandpa. Too funny. My bad, my bad. Um, oh, here's a question too, Bridget. Ever arrive first to a call and receive no respect because you are a female. Did you did you work to get it or did you did it? Sorry, it's moving. Did you work to get it or just didn't matter to you?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:26

Um, I am boss so many times. Now, granted, I was in patrol for a year and then I went to undercover narcotics. So um that is a different perspective. So I'm buying crack. I used to say I got bought crack for a living for three years. And so they either, you know, hopefully they didn't know I was a cop, or when I came into the room, they had all kind of special words for me once they realized I was the one that got them busted. But when I was in patrol so many times, um, one time I pulled up somebody's house, you know, they called 911 and we showed up. And they, the person who opened the door was like, I mean, I'm in full uniform. I mean, granted, I'm five five and whatever I weigh. And again, I'm not gonna share that information. Um and I know but I had the you know, all the the typical Florida dark green, you know, 40 pounds of gear on my belt, glock and all. And he opened the door and he says, You're the sheriff. And I said, Well, I'm the deputy sheriff. And he said, Sheriff Welps, you wear that uniform? And I said, Yes, he does. What can I do for you? Um, one time we we had a policy where if you there was a disabled vehicle or a DAV on the side of the road, we required if we were in our cars, we could drive our cars um off duty, but it no matter what, if you you couldn't pass a DAV. So we had to pull over. One time I pulled over, same thing. I walked up to the car and I said, Hey, is there anything I can do to help? And he goes, Sure, plus you drive that vehicle. And I said, Yes, he does. What could how could I help you, sir? Um, but I've certainly had had a lot of other colorful versions of the what the fuck are you doing here, you fucking girl? You know, just fucking get away. I mean, full uniform, like, you know, fuck you all the ways you can say that um from men and women and yeah, all the time. But you know, like I would say, and I would always say, Yes, I am. What can I do? And I what can we do? Or, you know, you just respond and pivot and shift. And um certainly if I needed a call for backup, I would. Um, I wasn't always by myself in a zone. Um, thankfully, pretty quick, I got into I got the the zone I liked, which was that I was always in the hot happening crack areas and uh where which meant I always had wasn't in the rural, like very quiet, no lights anywhere places. Um, but yeah, I had a lot of that, a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:54

Even in undercover, like I would walk in, like even undercover, like they would be like, You're the cop. I'm like, is it my badge and gun that gave it away? Or I mean,

Earning Respect As A Female Deputy

SPEAKER_07 1:20:04

yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:06

A lot. I've always been it's because of my upbringing. I grew up in Flint, um so Flint, Michigan, and I prefer, I prefer when I work as a street cop, I like the hood areas. I can talk to people better. I feel like I do more, I I I help people more than if I'm working in, you know, because of the city that I work in. There are some very rich areas, areas that I have no experience in in my life. And I feel like I struggle in those types of places because their worries are not my worries. However, I understand the worries more in the hood uh uh and I I I can do better, but I will get kind of, you know, I'm not gonna compare myself to how female officers have uh experiences, but I will get stuff as a white boy, uh, sometimes in the hood and get called, you know, oh here comes Boy Scout, here comes this, here comes that, and immediately go into my my roast mode, and I just start roasting whoever's talking. And it g it gets the respect, you know. When I was in the streets, it g would get me the respect I needed pretty quick. Uh and so I I just like I felt more comfortable, I felt like I could relate to people better, and it was more fun for me personally. It was more fun. I felt like I was actually helping people more, helping them see that not every single uh officer that comes out there doesn't know what the fuck's going on and kind of understands where they're coming from. Um but it takes a minute, it does not happen, like you said, it doesn't happen instantly. You gotta kind of win them over. Uh and I I have seen that with female officers where it's when does it stop that you have to when you've won everybody over? I don't think it ever happens for females. I feel like for females, it's on both sides. You're constantly having to prove yourself to the cops that you've never worked with.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:02

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:04

And then you've got to prove yourself to the people in the street that don't think females should be cops.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:10

When I had competed in that SWAT competition the second time, same guys. I mean, obviously the first year was two teams, second year was one team, but the one of the guys that had been on the had competed, we had done it two years together. He comes up to me after the second year, and my maiden name's Bargona, and he comes up and he goes, Barragona, and he gives me dap. He goes, I tell you what, Barragona, you got it. And I literally like it could have been a compliment, but on the other, on the other hand, I was like, You motherfucker, like right, we've been on SWAT together for two years. I've done this training shit with you for like 12 of the last 24 months. What the like, what is that dat for? I mean, like, thank you and fuck off.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:54

I mean I don't think he meant anything bad by it, but he probably didn't see how you would see it.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:00

No, he did, and I know he meant it, and he's one of the few that when I quit everything, like when it got to the point where I wanted to get, I mean, literally, I like I wasn't gonna burn all the cars and walk away, but that's what I felt like at the end. Um, well, when I when I decided that I wanted to get off um SWAT team and and narcotics all at the same time because I'd had it, I went to my captain and I was like, I'm done. Um I I want switching back to patrol when I want day shift like tomorrow. And he's like, You got it. And um one of the guys he came up to me after and he's like, I'm sorry, you got a raw deal. And and in a sense, like on one hand, like thanks for saying that. I'm I appreciate that you recognize it, but on the other hand, you were in the room with all of them and you never stood up for me. And that hurt a lot. So like I can be tough as shit, but I can also be the same person that cries over on this uh pulls over on the side of the road and cries so hard. Like I literally cried, pulled over on the side of the road in my undercover car and was crying so hard I couldn't see, so I couldn't drive because I was like, this is never gonna fucking matter. And that and so that sucks because I ended up quitting. And yeah, um, but you know, I it I I I it is what it is, and um the job is what it is, and the egos are what they are. And I that's why I say going back to that earlier question of what do you think about women being in law enforcement? Like, you you better be fucking ready because it just is. You're not gonna change it. Don't expect uh like fluffy, gentle cushion, you know, whatever. And you can still do the job, and I think you can still play an important role in the job, but like it's apples and oranges, and don't expect to be coddled, and nor should you be coddled. I don't believe you should be coddled as an employment lawyer. I somebody says, Well, they were mean to me, like, and like I mean, like somebody's about to die. Go fucking gourd that corner and do your job, you know, like do your job, and then we'll talk about it later. But and granted, people break the law all the time, and that's where I come in, but like it's a fucking hard job, and you get fucking hard personalities, and it doesn't always make it illegal.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:10

Yeah. Um law lawful X 1955 said having jokes as a skill prevents far more fights than they start. I would a hundred percent. I will tell you, you want to know the secret to the most of my career is making jokes, usually probably inappropriate. Um, if I'm gonna be honest, uh if anybody ever does a foyer on me and pulls body cam, like it's probably what the majority of my you're gonna be like, oh, that's what how that's how he de-escalated. That's how he was verbal judoing. Because I was just a joke guy, like that's that's how I got by. Try to make people laugh. Um because at the end of the day, for me, if I'm not taking this job personal, like I shouldn't be. It should just be a you know, it's it's business. So for me, if I'm got front row tickets to the best show on earth is the way I saw it, well, fuck, I'm gonna have fun. Let's let's let's you you're having the worst moment of your life, and you've called us. That's how I know it's it's a bad moment for you. I see cops every day, you see them once, hopefully in a lifetime, maybe twice. Who knows? So if I'm gonna show up, I'm gonna try to at least get you to smile. If I can get you to smile, I'm I'm winning. Uh I'm gonna try to de-escalate the best I can. If I can't get you to smile, there's two things going on. One, I was inappropriate and I was an asshole and it didn't come across the way I intended. Or two, you're up to something and you're not thinking, and I gotta be on my toes. And that's another way that I would use it to be ready. Uh if I'm like, you know, hey man, real quick, I was like, I gotta pat you down, you ain't got any nukes on you or anything like that, right? I'm hoping to get a little come on, man. I ain't gonna nukes, like something like that. If I get a uh uh, I don't know. I'm like, all right, I gotta be a little, I gotta be on my toes. So it's a little pressure test.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:01

So that's mine was if I would I would I was always called to pat down the chicks, and they would say I would always say, Do you have anything that's gonna poke me, cut me, or stick me? And you know, because you like some of the girls, and I remember one time I pulled this girl's bra out, and I don't remember a couple knives came out, like holy shit. Yeah, and and it she was the one who gave me the most colorful cuss words I had ever been given in my life. Um, so yeah, and I was like, you have any that look they give you when they're like you just know they have it. I'm like, oh, I don't have enough gloves for this. Um yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:37

I can tell you some nasty fucking stories.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:40

Don't even I got written, I think I almost got written up one time for I took a girl to jail and they found something in her special area, and they were gonna write me up for not finding it. And I was like, um, if that's what this job is, fucking fire me now. No.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:57

Um quick shout out to Carmela out now. Nashville said, wanted to say hi. I'm sure it'll be a great podcast. You know I love your show. Hello to Banning 2. Um, but uh when it comes to searching, I knew something was in a spot. I wasn't gonna go get it. It was a female.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:15

So when they did pull it and got it, let's just say the entire booking area stunk so bad I was dry heaving. It was the most god-awful smelling thing in the world. I still to this day I can smell it right now.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:36

Let's just stop. This is no. We should all anybody who's been in the job is like, no, please. Oh my god. Nope, nope, nope. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:45

Let's just say it was narcotics uh in a pill bottle.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:47

Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:50

Oh, it's horrible. I get there's two things in my life that if I picture like it one was smelling salts, because I I passed out. Uh I shouldn't say I got knocked out um in hockey, and they used smelling salts. A puck a slap shot hit me in the earpiece. Uh knocked me out, and they used smelling salts. I can still smell that to this day. Smelling salts are a real thing, y'all. Uh Mr. Billfold said, I don't know what he's talking about, but he said, Eric is far too busy with the Empire building to bother with emotes. Eric, delegate that to one of these sweaty mods. My bad. Uh let's see. Oh, my mom's on here. What'd she say? If I'm ticked off at you, you'll never get me to smile. I won't even want to be in the same room with you. Challenge accepted, mom.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:38

Oh, you're gonna smile with your baby boy. I gotta baby boy sleep in the next room. He yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:44

Yep, good luck. I can I if I can break my ginger, uh, my daughter, who is the probably got the feistiest attitude of any person I've ever met in my life.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:55

How old is she how old is she?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:56

She's 14. Oh, god. Yeah, yeah. Prime anger phase. It works. Yeah, she she'll come out of her room. Like she's very much daddy's girl, wants a hug whenever she sees me. Sometimes she walks into the kitchen and I'm like, what's up, gin? Because it's just the nickname, always call her ginger or ginger, and uh I'll just get uh because I'll should do. I'm like, oh, we're in a mood. And I'm like, oh, I want to now I'm gonna press because I'm that type of dad. I'm like, oh come give me a hug. And she's pressing, yeah. And uh I'll force it, I'll keep fucking with her, and she'll be like, Dad, stop, and she'll fucking freak out, and I'll hey, you know, then I go dad mode, and I'm like, you don't yell at your dad like that, and she'll be like, Well, I'm not in a good mood, and you keep pressing with me, and I'm like, and I'll just I'll keep doing this with my eyes, and then I'll see her start to smirk, and she's like, Don't make me smile, I don't want to smile right now, yeah, and then she starts laughing, and I'm like, I win. Yeah, yeah, so fun, so fun. Um, Wade said women shouldn't be street cops mostly because of physical, but they are smarter than we are and make great CIA FEI agents, and they have a ruthless need for that type of work. Okay, I think that's uh generality.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:27

Yeah. Uh I agree with the value and well, I disagree with the street cop uh statement um for everything I said earlier. I think they have

Humor De Escalation And Search Stories

SPEAKER_07 1:31:40

uh a lot, they can bring a lot, especially to victims. Um and there you have a lot of victims on a lot of calls. You don't always go to to fight people. Um, and I think that you show up for people for what they need, and um, as long as women show up understanding that that's what they're gonna get, and then I think they can play their role. But again, understanding everybody's uh strengths and weaknesses is where good leaders and suited uh sergeants in a brother come in.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:06

Yeah, I and I I think it goes into the work that you here's my problem with police work. So I'm gonna piss some cops off uh right now. Y'all want this to be a profession. I think that's fair. Everybody says it's a profession. Uh most cops want it to be treated like a white-collar profession. They think they should get paid white-collar prices uh because of all the training that they continuously have to get, and they should be um professionals for all the different hats that they wear. Uh, but in my experience, you guys half ask the training that you get. You're doing just enough so you can just get signed off and get a check mark. You do zero prep work that's required for a white-collar job or profession. What does a doctor do to become a doctor? They have to go to a bunch of schooling, and then they have to do, I don't know the terms for it, but residency or clinicals or whatever the shit is that they do to go try to be a doctor, and then they go through their doctor stuff. And then lawyers. Lawyers go to school, they prep, they have to do well in high school, they've got to study English and do all these things, and they go to college, they do regular college, and then they got to go through law school, and they got to do all those steps, and they got to do their clinicals, which is fake, you know, jury shit and or lawyer stuff, whatever it is. You guys get where I'm going, you know where I'm going with this. So they do the work that it requires to have a white college job and call it a true profession. But police don't. What prep work did you do other than getting your high school diploma? Or maybe you had a two-year degree. You know, there's not many departments that require even a four-year degree, which doesn't make you a good cop. It has nothing to do with police work. Got me on a rant now. Uh, so here's the other problem. You're gonna get in a fight being a fucking cop, and you know that, and you did nothing to get prepped for that. How many of you have done any grappling, boxing, judo, uh fucking kids karate? Anything. I don't care. Just did something. None of you. You heart and I'm being general here. Most of you did nothing. How do I know? Because I trained you fuckers, and you don't know shit. And you think you do because you got a gun and a badge, and you think that you're ready for the streets. And as soon as somebody puts you on your ass, what do you do? You go to your gun, your Batman belt, because you didn't put the time in like all these other professions did, and now you want to be a professional. I'm sorry, you didn't do the work to get into this profession. It should be a profession. Some people do it, and if females do it, more power to it. Like, I'm I'm on board with a female as male as much as a male that did the work to get there. But more often than not, it's not a male-female thing. Most of you in law enforcement didn't do the work that's required to be a profession. You signed up for a job, and there's a difference between a job and a professional.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:56

Well, and I think that's very scary if that's if anybody's doing that. Because I look at the job as like if you're becoming a cop, like that's a choice. You're not saying, like, I'm gonna go make some money, so

Policing As A Profession And Standards

SPEAKER_07 1:35:07

let me go work at Target and make some money. You're you're choosing a job where you could get killed, and you're required for protecting human life. So, and and I'm probably being too too Pollyanna-ish about that. Um, but I I've two things. One is I one of the people say, Why'd you become a cop? No one in my family's ever been a cop before. I chose it, I joke around and say I like I watched G.I. Jane and I thought it was cool. And I'm also dating myself because G.I. Jane came out when I was young. I love G.I.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:38

Jane.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:38

So like I thought that's cool. So I'll be hurt. And yeah, and there was definitely times I wish I would have said that to my supervisors. Um, but uh I joke, it's not, I mean, but I also thought, well, that's cool. Like I'm working out now in my early 20s, like I'll choose a job that requires me to be fit. So let me choose. And I was like, oh, law enforcement, maybe that's it. And I thought maybe FBI, D E A, or something like that, and chose law enforcement, you know, sheriff's office for it to get there. And then realized you do not need to be fit at all to be a cop, which is ridiculous. Um, I saw somebody posted earlier in the chats that and and it and Dominic Izzo does highlight this a lot about um cops who are not like just not in shape to be cops. And uh it it's it's awful. Um, and I'm not like I'm not judging anybody that is out there that's not fit. I'm just saying, why would you do that to yourself or to your family? Because it is a job where either you're gonna try and do that, do fight or run and you can't do it, and you can't save somebody or you can't prevent the crime. And maybe you're maybe you can't prevent a robbery. Like what's the harm in that? But maybe you can't prevent somebody being hurt or killed, or you go to try to do that and you get yourself hurt or injured or worse, and then it's your family that suffers for that. Why would you do a job where you can't keep up with that? That part, and and and I I just don't understand that. Um, I also don't understand the ridiculous, low, ridiculously low um physical standards that that law enforcement requires. Um, one of our we we made a point when my agency, like one of the SWAT guys did the whole thing backwards, like jumping over a fence backwards, going over the like even you know, the whole and and came in under the required. Making it a joke. What a joke it was. And so I do not understand that at all. And and hiring people who are just severely overweight, what are you hiring them for? How are you protecting people? How are they gonna be able to fight? Fighting is about stamina if you really have to do it. Sprinting, running, protecting is about stamina. I don't understand it. So that part, but I I just it it that's my I'll get off my that was me. That was my tangent from what you said. I like it. For but but for women, it's this, I mean, it's the same. Women, there is no different standard. I I saw somebody post earlier, Bridget, they don't they lowered standards for women since you've been in. Um that's ridiculous. I don't agree with that at all. It it is one standard. You either can do the job or you can't, male or female. I don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:12

And just that standard needs to be higher.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:15

Yeah, yeah. It it for everyone. I mean, I passed the same SWAT standard, and I'm not saying everybody needs to be SWAT. I'm and and that is an elite level. I'm saying it should you need to be able to protect the public. And if you can't put your uniform on, how on earth? I mean, I there was a I remember one time we had a guy and put it, he was so big, and I told one of the guys we I worked with and said he's starting the structural integrity of his uniform. Like, I there's no way he can run because it'll rip off, it'll it just too tight.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:46

I love it. Um, I want to point out, excuse me, get to some of these comments. Um, Ryan, I see Ryan Lance is in the house. He said, uh, the irony is the better a cop looks physically, the safer I'd feel that he's not going to be gun first. Um it's possible, but that's not necessarily true. It may I'm glad it makes you feel better. But I Bridget will tell you, like, there I've seen some guys that I'm great that you can push a lot of weights. 30 seconds into a fight, they're gas. Yeah, they're gas.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:19

Definitely that, right? Strong is not equal cardio, and those things definitely don't equal brains.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:25

Yes, for sure. Um, and then Rin, HWD, Rin, I don't know what that means, but Rin said, bro, the what police force are you talking about? Sure, you can be a cop, but just having a goddamn high school or a GD, I think he means a high school diploma.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:46

Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:48

Uh, but you still need to pass physical and mental fitness um tests, attend a basic police academy. Okay, great. You passed a basic police academy.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:58

That is not basic police academy test, is a joke.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:02

It's it's not hard.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:04

I don't remember having to do that actually for my police academy. Yeah, I know when I applied for like the FBI, they had a I had to do that physical test. Um, one of them. I I applied for some federal agency. Um that one seemed harder than I don't remember do surely I did, but it was so unmemorable, I don't remember doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:23

Yeah. If you're just generally a normal good person, it's not hard to get into a police academy. Uh and if you paid attention, I was a C student. I did just enough to get by in high school so I could play sports. I was a social butterfly. I cared more about my friends than I did school. Uh so I am by no means what you would call a genius. Uh did just enough to get by in high school. And I've been to three police academies the military police, uh, a police academy for when I was a cop in Michigan, and a police academy down here in Texas. I and I was an academy instructor. I am telling you right now, that's not a that's not a flex saying that you passed the police academy. Is it it's the the the standard is us as cops were always saying that we should be at a higher standard and you want a flex that you pass the academy, big fucking deal. You did 40 hours worth of control tactics. Great. Now you think you can handle the world on the ground or in a fight?

SPEAKER_07 1:41:31

I mean, even at the lawyer level, I know I'm not trying, I'm not trying to sound all whatever. I don't whatever you think what you want, I don't give a shit. Um, I mean I care. If you want to tell me, tell me. But just because you're a lawyer doesn't mean you're good or smart. Right. This like um what does that say, yes, Bridget? But the standards, oh, that's what I was saying about Freeman Keys earlier. Yeah, I agree that not just women, so it may wait, not waiting for a minute. I'll pull it back up.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:57

He said yes, Bridget. The standard I'm reading this out loud because some people just listen to the podcast later. Um, yes, Bridget. This comes from Freeman Keys. Yes, Bridget, the but the standards have been lowered for all cops, not just women. So it seems it makes it easier to justify using force for out-of-shape men. And I agree. I think that's what we fall on. I was at my I was at my my end, and so I had to go to this. Well, why were you at your end? Oh, because you weren't physically fit, because you didn't take the time to learn how to defend yourself uh like you should have done in a profession that you're going to get in a fight. It's just gonna happen.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:30

Um I I'm a member of a lot of I mean, I I I haven't in a while because I've gotten busier, but um would see look at the comments that people post in different Facebook groups, and um people would say, like, I'm gonna try out for I'm thinking of going to the academy. What should I do with it ready? I'm having a hard time on the physical requirements. And that below for the academy. If you can't meet the physical requirements of an academy, holy crap. Yeah, I think it's a very good goal and everybody could get there, but I I I just can't, I I that's scary to me. Um some I want to go back. Somebody just said something about workers' comp, which, oh, in my state, I'm not aware of any agency having a physical fitness test after the academy, sorry, at project 1868. The private workers comp won't allow it. Holy that, my like my as an attorney brain, I'm excluding. What do you mean won't allow it? That blows my mind. And if anybody in your state is have like I I want to talk to anybody who's having workers' comp problems in your state. And I don't do workers' comp and I can, but I do assist on like evaluating issues as it relates to that, because there can be a lot of people interpreting things wrong because they think they know they law and they don't, which includes cops, by the way. Let's not even get started on Brady Giglio issues, which if you're not in the law enforcement world, maybe you don't know what that is, but cops thinking they know all the laws, and oh this guy's Brady Giglio, so I'm gonna write this down in his file and report it. And then this guy is so stupid. Anyway, let's that's another topic.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:08

He kept up, he kept his grades up for sports and his wife. That's it. He faced everything in his bachelor's and masters. She's not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:17

Um, I did oh mom. Listen, I want to tell mom I'm sorry I'm cussing so much. If I knew mom was here, I probably wouldn't be cussing.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:24

She's she's she's so used to it. She's okay. Which is funny because my mom doesn't curse a whole lot. She will if she's pissed, especially, but yeah, she doesn't curse.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:32

Oh, I had my kids in the car today and I was so frustrated. I was like, I'm so frustrated I want to cuss right now, but I won't do that in front of my kids.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:38

I was listening to 3-6 mafia with my kid dropping her off to her violin or viola lesson today. I was like, I was like, you gotta listen to some Project Pat while we're getting amps.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:49

Well, listen, my husband teaches them all the cuss words, so I figure there's a balance somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:54

Yeah, I uh man, I I just I grew up listening to rap. I love rap. Um all the old school stuff, 36 Mafia, Project Pat, all those guys. I love it. So um, shout out to those guys. Not that they're listening to my podcast, but you never know. Um, okay, where was I at? Uh Lawful Acts said agencies also don't mandate the training needed to have cops operate at the level the public wants them to. Part of the problem with that, Lawful, that's something I want you to consider. Think of all the hats the public wants us to wear. That's another problem. They want us to be the jack of all and the master of all at the same time. They want us to be martial arts experts, they want us to be um psychologists, they want us to be uh therapists, therapists, they want us to be marksmen, they want us to be um mechanics, they want us to be able to fix kids' bikes, they want us to be um uh expert at all mental health issues to know all the different kinds, if it's whether it's autism to um crisis intervention because they're having a what do they call it, uh excited delirium? Um, or I don't know what you just said.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:06

There's all these different things that they want us to have to be good at, be masters of and uh provide medical, you need to be slightly medical diagnosis because you need to know if somebody's drunk or in a diabetic, some type of diabetic issue. Like, is their breath sweet? Like, I don't know. Did they just have a pina colada?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:25

Uh I mean the first fight ever was with a diabetic person having uh he was sugar was too high, I think it is. Uh I thought he was drunk, and apparently what I the the smell that I smelled was ketones or whatever. Um and I and again I had a grappling background well before I became a cop, but um I I engaged with this guy, and it was the weirdest fight, if you will, because he was fighting me. He did try to like well I'm just tattled on you, but uh yeah, exactly. Um, but he tried to like it was like fighting Gumby, like there was no real resistance, but he wasn't fighting back, it was odd. So I got him to the ground and I just kind of like put his hands behind his back. I was like, what the fuck is going on? And uh got him in cuffs. And luckily there was a nurse right there, uh, because it was inside of a building, he was causing a problem with other people, and they were like, the nurse was like, I think he's having a diabetic issue. And I was like, Oh shit, glad I didn't hit this dude because I didn't know what I was doing. Um yeah, and and and that's what it was. It was it was he was having a diabetic issue. So yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. Um what were we just talking about? I was I had another point. Um, mandating training, having cops operate. Uh oh, Jack of all, master of none, um back to lawful acts 1955. I think that is that is probably one of the problems with policing, is they want us to be masters at all these things, and then they provide what, Bridget, a 40-hour training. That's like the fix for everything. Well, we gave them 40 hour training, they should know it now. That's not true.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:02

I yeah, I think that yeah, like we had mandatory trainings, defensive tactics, driving, um, usually some type of mentally impaired person's training, but I think they only got that in the academy. I don't remember, I don't remember that. I mean, maybe things have changed now, and you could tell me because they've been out a long time. Um I I no one is asking for L's best. They won't they won't just be able to read that after you meet up. I'll read it out right now. Yeah, do it. So yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:32

So Lacey said, um, no one is asking for Elios to be a master at mental health. They just don't want you to be, or they just want you to be able to recognize it before you shoot their kids. And uh I think that's a fair statement. I think I think that's a good point.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:46

It's a fair statement, and also scare I don't want to say scary, like and in the moment. Um certainly we can all think of scenarios where I don't know, I don't want to say scenarios, but absolutely you don't want to ever shoot anyone. I don't want to say shoot a kid, like you don't want to shoot anyone, you don't want to shoot anyone. Uh thankfully I never had to. I've certainly was have been in situations in SWAT and narcotics where there were 10 to 30 guns trained on somebody, and we I know I was just begging, please let's just not happen. And thankfully it didn't. And you also you just that's the point going back to the earlier conversation of please get all the training you can possibly get throughout your entire career because you're all the things that Eric just described, of all the things that you could know, there's no way that you can possibly digest and retain all of that if you're not continually educating yourself on it. And that's the scary part is you think like, well, I did all right, I'm not. Doing it again, or I did the DT training and the driving training. I'm good, I'm not doing that again. Oh, well, it's been 15 years since I've done that. I know that I don't need to do it again. I don't need to do CPR training again. I did that 20 years ago. I can say I haven't had CPR training for a really long time. And every time I see something that I hear from friends or whatever that comes up, like, oh my gosh, I should do go do that again. Because I don't want to be the one that's called on and forgets it. I mean, you think like, is it right? Is it like riding a bike? I don't know, but it's just you've got to do it all the time. And it is scary. It is a the job is almost impossible. Um yeah, and they just don't it's just almost impossible.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:38

You you bring up a good point. One I want to point out, Ryan's comment because I he knows I make fun of these guys all the time, like TikTok cops. He said cops need to be able to dance for all their TikTok channels, too. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:50

These cops exist.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:51

My favorite thing to do is there's a couple guys that have retired from policing to focus on social media stuff that I'm friends with. Um, one is uh copville, and the other one is uh Tyler from the anti-heroes podcast. Um so what I'll do if there's like because I can't say things uh because I'm still a cop. I don't like I don't want to get in trouble at work. So I'll just tag those guys and be like, I tell them the same thing every time. Hey, come get your boy. And it's at like a cops TikTok channel where they're dancing and doing stupid shit that they shouldn't be doing as cops. Um, but you bring up a good point about I had CPR training 15 years ago, I had this training 15 years ago, whatever it is. Here's one that I want to blow your mind with that we we fail at at police work. And you as a lawyer, if there's any way you can help improve policing, it's through this. How much constitutional training have you had since the academy? And even when you had it in the academy, how much did they even touch on the constitution?

SPEAKER_07 1:51:51

Okay, this is this definitely gets me. Oh, first of all, you get four hours maybe in the academy, depending on your academy.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:00

Maybe a week for really good academies, maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:04

Constitutional law. Yeah, and then you never get it again. Ever and maybe you go to a training later where they'll touch on some Supreme Court rules case laws.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:15

Yeah, case law shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:16

But usually given to you by a cop. And at the real cops are not lawyers, cops don't practice law, and cops do keep up with some like maybe search and seizure law or use of force, use of force law, things like that. What they but what really gets me is when I said earlier is cops like, well, I know like Brady Giglio. Brady and Giglio are two different U.S. Supreme Court cases that ultimately, to simplify it, because that's not law school, is a case where you can label, you have to turn over evidence that would help somebody defend themselves in trial, which means you have to turn over evidence like this cop is bad. The cop who who made this case is a liar. Like they can't, they this cop lied, or this cop, whatever. If you have a cop that was involved in a case that brought evidence for a defendant at trial, then then the defense has the right to say, well, we can't trust this evidence because that cop can't be trusted. So then it's up to the jury to decide. And so they'll but I see, but there's no, that's a you, it's a case, it's a US Supreme Court case, which means it's not federal law, it's not state law, it's not city law, it's not county law, it's nothing. And so you get cops who are like, well, I think this is a Brady issue, and like, oh, you seem untruthful. And so I I'm I'm required to send a letter to the DA to say you're a lying cop. And then these cops can never, and then the cop, and then the DA is like, oh, well, then I can never call you again if your agency thinks you're a liar, and then the cop can never work as a cop again. So let me just and so I that that's my like I get on that pedestal because it drives me crazy when cops think if you want to, they never get training on case law, including Brady Giglio. And then on one hand, you have le leadership who will ruin people's careers, and on the other hand, you don't really like warrant and seizure stuff is very, it's like it's not complicated, but it's not necessarily simple. And so, yeah, you don't get enough of that. And um, I mean, arresting people, and it's more, I would say, like the example we gave earlier of the guy coming in and grabbing the girl, like giving her a ticket on her porch. She threw the ticket down, like you get some people may have missed it, where he went

Constitutional Law Brady Giglio And Misuse

SPEAKER_07 1:54:31

on the porch, gave the girl a ticket, she snacked the ticket ticket away and threw it down on her porch, and then he got mad about that and said, You littered and went to go grab her arm and technically pulled her out of her house. Like, I you can't do that. Um, so also maybe he's but that's a very fast-moving situation. Also, and so I definitely want to acknowledge, and the US Supreme Court regularly acknowledges that law enforcement is always in a very fast-moving situation. So as long as you don't escalate too far, then you could be okay, just depending on the situation. But that's a long answer, Eric. And no, the the short answer is cops definitely do not get enough constitutional law training. Some of them do, but depending on what courses they go to, and it always makes me nervous when I see case law trainings being given by cops. No offense.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:28

But no, I'm with you just is because inevitably what happens is cops will ask questions. Well, what about this? What about that? You know, I've been in this situation, and now you're getting the answer of a cop. You're not getting the answer of a lawyer. And right. That's in law.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:41

Especially the fact that you're dancing into the practicing law without a license landscape.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:46

Yeah, yeah. That's a whole other ball of wax. And it's just, it's there's so many laws out there and so many ways to incorporate. You know, lawful uh acts was talking about um Canton v. Harris, and if I remember Canton v. Harris, I think that basically puts a liability of training on the department that they should, you know, if an officer fails to do or does something wrong and they didn't weren't properly trained, if I remember that correctly. I think that's what that one involves. Um and then cops Mr. Billful, cops keep up with Terry versus Pennsylvania, or Terry and Pence for Pennsylvania versus Mims, absolutely, um, when they feel it is beneficial for them to exercise authority. I do think Pennsylvania versus Mims is so abused. Um and if you're not familiar with that one, Bridge, that's uh where it's a if it's a lawful traffic stop when you have the driver exit the vehicle, and I think it's Marilyn v. Wilson is the what allows us to get the passengers out. Um and the whole premise of you know, and again, I'm not a lawyer, but the whole premise was about safety. The guy wanted the guy, uh the cop wanted the guy out of the car because he thought he saw a gun or something in the vehicle. That was a premise, but the courts didn't rule that it has to be because of a safety reason. And so cops kind of have carte blanche to get people out of the vehicle. But I think the spirit of that was based around safety. So I, when I train cops, I'm like, listen, if you're gonna take somebody out of their vehicle, you better have a safety reason behind it. I see the handle of this, he keeps reaching down and fidgeting with that, whatever it be, that's how you're gonna exercise Pennsylvania v mims. Not just because, well, um, you pissed me off, so now get out of the vehicle. Oh, you wanted to crack your window, get out of the vehicle. Like it gets.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:59

And yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:00

This is a good question. This is uh Ryan was asking, scary thought, but do you think AI might help cops correctly interpret laws fast on the job? Yeah, I do. I do. I think that is the future of where this is going. I think AI is going to be a dependent tool in law enforcement. 100%.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:17

Uh-huh. Absolutely. And I mean, to the point where did you have you seen that uh movie Mercy with uh oh my God, it's so good. Something like that where your computer is gonna be analyzing what the facts are and what the laws are and what's happening so fast, you're gonna, it's almost gonna be like, wait, Mercy lady, slow down. Let me just hear what you just said. And also, I will say this as your lawyer, I'm not your lawyer, I'm not anybody's lawyer on this call, just so you know. But for as a um somebody who knows case law, because I'm not your lawyer, just to be clear. Um, if you are inputting case call information into an AI source, please make sure you have a paid account for that, not a free account. Okay, correct. Everyone listening, everyone listening, okay. So that's all I'll say on that.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:14

Yeah. Um I'll I will tell you why, because when you're on a free account, that information is not yours. You whatever you put in there goes to everybody.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:24

Um, but I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:29

Um this was a I like this. I am bossed because I'm gonna push back on you on this one, buddy. Um, we've I've agreed with you for a lot of what you said today, but I don't hear. City attorneys still continue to back the police in false charges and only seem to back off at the last moment, if at all. I disagree. Um, it depends because there's a lot of politics involved with city attorneys. So that is where I'll push back. If you got um a pro-police city, then yeah, I think a lot of times they tend to give the cops benefit of the doubt. If you've got a Minnesota city, um, I will say they're looking for reasons just to hem the cops up, even like there's a reason that's very hard to get cops.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:10

Which is shocking too, because uh like Minneapolis, those cops make a lot of money. Um but they have to offer a lot of money to get anybody, and then they throw them under the bus every chance they get. Yeah, so that's kind of weird.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:23

Yeah, Mr. Billfold.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:25

I don't understand wrong Bridget. That was not fast moving, that was use of force, absent a crime. You'll have to explain that one to me. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:32

I don't see it.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:33

Um I just I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:34

I can't oh I see it. He said wrong Bridget. That was not fast moving, that was a use of force absent a crime. Uh Mr. Billfold, uh, tell us what you're talking about. I think we probably moved past whatever that was.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:46

So I'm sorry it was about.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:48

Um yeah, AI is a powerful tool. Not utilizing it in most career

AI Tools LPRs And Accountability Logs

SPEAKER_01 2:00:54

fields, you'll be left behind. Agree. I'm uh guys, you see my thumbnails and everything. I'm using it for the podcast, I'm using it for work, I'm using it for everything. Um, I am a tech nerd. You guys know that. Um we've we've had the LPR talk on here several times. I'm a big fan of LPRs. I I think as long as it's backed in good policy, um, it's not retaining information, it's not selling that information out to anybody outside the agency, I think it's a good tool. Can it be abused? Yes. Does it need to have good checks and balances 100%? Um I think where I'm at, we have really good policy where um all of our video city cameras can't hold anything longer than five days, uh, and then that stuff's purged. And then as our LPRs, um, those are only in public roadways in public spaces, and that information is only kept for 30 days, and then it's purged. And we don't sell our information to anybody, everything's kept in-house. So I think that's where good policy comes in, but can it be abused and does it can it become a problem? Yes. So you have to keep those checks and balances. Uh, but what I really love about technology now, these days, guys, you can't do shit. If somebody does something wrong and somebody finds out about it, everything is logged. You have to have your own unique identifier to get on them. You have to have your own unique identifiers to even use the systems in most cases that I know of. So that's why I like tech. It's a double-edged sword. You may be able to do some dumb shit with it if you're a corrupt cop, but it's gonna be the nail in your coffin, I promise. Um, let me go to the next one here. Saying AI hallucinates as a reason to not use it is silly. Any method you use to find information can be incorrect, and that's why it makes a tool and not a Bible. Agree. Yes. Yep. If you're gonna be using the stuff, it is not. I don't ever think um, I think we talked about this case on here before, but there was a situation where somebody got arrested based on a facial wreck. They said it was 100% that person, so they went and arrested him without doing any other research. And uh I don't think that's right. I think I think that gives you that doesn't give you PC for shit. It gives you a reason to keep looking and finding other ways to get your PC, but it's not PC to go arrest somebody. So you got to be careful with that stuff.

unknown 2:03:15

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:16

Even as um in in my profession as an attorney, we're we're starting to get um courses all the time, and even uh opinions from every state bar association about how we should use AI, even to the point where they're saying, like, if you're not using AI, it's almost unethical for your for our clients to make things more efficient. But that also, even like I'm not, I mean, of course, I'm never allowed, and nor would I draft something for a client with not really verifying the facts and the cite and the citations and the case law. So I mean, even all the way to the the lawyers who are fighting and doing all the arguing and representing, I mean, like it's everything. And it's inevitable. I I really believe you just have to always, it's it's you still have a brain, and it's never hopefully gonna replace our brains.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:06

Yeah, uh, I like this. He said, as blue to gold would say it's legal education, not legal advice. I like it. Um somebody, I thought we had a somebody put in the chat a new person. I always like to say hi to new people. Um, I I think maybe it was Jane Rocket 2026, Yo mama? That is a long name. Janner. Jane. Um, but Jane said, I've communicated with a sergeant in Tuckwilla, PD, successfully, and Thurston County, Sheriff, seems cooperative, but I need help. I don't know what we're saying.

SPEAKER_07 2:04:41

Oh, I don't know if that means I don't know if that means you need my help. You should reach out.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:45

Yeah. Um and then Twitch was thanking Driz for checking out the channel. Thank you very much. Uh, very cool. Legal fiction one said, I saw a false ID at a casino. That's the case we're talking about. The false ID at a casino. They showed a picture and the guy and they looked nothing alike, still got arrested. Humans didn't question the computer. And that's if we've learned anything from Skynet, we need to question it and make sure that it's uh all makes sense. But um yeah, um, okay, I got another video I want us to watch. Okay, so I'm going to share the screen. Here we go. And uh, of course, I've seen these, you haven't. We're gonna biggie size this here. And let's I just want to see what you got to say. Scott tries to take away freedom of speech.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:37

What's going on? You're racing through breakdown, and you want to ask me.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:39

I wasn't racing, I'm recording everything.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:41

Okay, that's good. License. I don't really care that you're recording everything. Well, no, I know, but there are lots of people down.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:46

Yeah, and we were doing the speed limit. And the only reason why I turned down the street is because of a turn-in. And I thought it went to that parking lot.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:55

It's not freedom of speech. Are you done?

SPEAKER_00 2:05:57

Sure. Wait a minute. Are you saying I pop the wheelie? Because I didn't pop a wheelie.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:01

I'm not arguing with you anymore.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:02

I didn't have it on the camera, I didn't pop a wheelie. You shouldn't pop a wheelie. I didn't know pop a wheelie and you know it's on the camera.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:11

Do you want to continue to argue?

SPEAKER_00 2:06:12

No, I've never been pulled over like this. I'm sorry for being upset.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:15

You really want to go down this route? No, you want to get on the route.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:18

All right, from what I gather from this, there's a bunch of motorcycles cruising in some areas. Alright, so um, I don't like going down my breakdowns. Uh, I like to deep dive into them. So I I'll lead the I'll lead the charge on this one, Bridget. Kind of tell you what I went down. One, um, officers cannot be. This was in Florida, by the way. Uh, officers cannot be offended. You don't have the right to be offended by language. So freedom of speech. Yeah, unless there was a citizen standard. Unless you're deciding right. Yeah, don't let him swear like that. Then then maybe you have something, but unless it's deciding violence.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:53

I mean, freedom of speech. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:55

So uh she was a hundred percent wrong on that part. So I pointed that out. I'm like, you can drop all the F-bombs you want. Um, and then here was my real big hang up on all this. The dude's offering to show you video evidence that he didn't do what you're trying to point out that he did. Now, I'm a big proponent telling people not to argue with police. I like to make your objection. Hey, I got it on video. Would you care to see it? If they're like, nah, fuck that. Or the cops, like, no, I don't, I don't care. I'm writing the ticket. Okay, cool. I I made my objective on it. Gave it, they gave you the opportunity to look at it. So now when we go to court, I'm going to destroy you. And that's going to be wonderful for that person. Now it sucks that here's the considerations we as cops need to start caring about. And I think cops get callous to this point. We write tickets all day, every day, across the country, right? That's what cops do. Not all of them. I not me. That's not my style, but that's what cops do in general. They are they write tickets, they video calls, da da da. So if you're gonna write tickets and it's gonna become a part of you and what you do, and it's part of the job, you're going to get numb to it. It's gonna be a normal thing for you. But to everybody else out there, this is where the emotional intelligence comes to play. They don't go through that every day.

Freedom Of Speech Stop And Unmet Expectations

SPEAKER_01 2:08:15

So they're not used to it, so they're gonna be pissed off or have feel some certain way about it. But in that, you have to do the human thing about it and do your due diligence in an investigation. Don't take the lazy way out. I'm gonna write it because your ego got involved and all of this stuff. The guy's willing to show you video. If you're about to write that ticket, what's gonna happen to him? Insurance is gonna go up, he's gonna have to go to court, he's gonna have to take time off work, vehicle may get impounded. Um, it's gonna cause some, could cause some sort of strain with the fam, whether he's got a wife, kids, or maybe his mom. I don't know. There's a lot of things that's gonna affect for him. What's it going to affect for you as a cop? Nothing. Your sergeant coming and be like, why'd you write this guy a ticket and I'll look at the camera? You should have done that. And then that's it. You're not gonna get in real trouble. Let's be honest. You're not gonna get in shit, even if you don't show up to court, you're gonna waste that time, you're gonna waste time for the taxpayers. There's all of these fallouts for some bullshit because you can take an extra five minutes to look at the guy's video because you don't like the fact that your your ego got hit the moment he pushed back. Because what if that's us as cops? I'm just talking all over the place because my brain's going 100 miles an hour. This is what happens when I get on ramp. Uh us as cops, we're so used to people just complying and listening and doing what we say, because that's 99.9% of the people we deal with listen to what we tell them to do. When somebody pushes back, we're not ready for it, most of us. And that's that unmet expectation. As soon as cops get confronted with an unmet expectation, ego takes over every single time, it seems like. And we I we don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:02

I totally agree. The um in that particular situation. One is I tell people all the time, like if I represent somebody in like a which I don't do often an unemployment claim, I say, look, I'm gonna tell you right now, these investigators are like traffic cops. All they do is they hear people get on here and bitch and complain for 45 minutes and they don't care, and they just want to all they like just bitch and bitch and bitch in both sides. So like traffic cops just you think about it, they hate you. You're you're getting pulled over, you're freaked out. Yeah, I can. I'm usually trying to figure out how I can say I used to be a cop and I get pulled over. But generally, people are like, Oh, I'm and I'm so sorry, they I got one ticket, or what the fuck did you blow me over? Sorry, mom, if your mom's still on this, I want to really stop messing. Um, so I I cops like they did they do get treated like crap constantly because they you're gonna get like you're afraid you're gonna get, you know, caught, it's gonna cost you money, blah, blah, blah. The other side is, and that guy was like, wait, you're writing me for what? Like, I I didn't do that. And if somebody had said to me, I wasn't speeding, like I would have said, Well, I can prove you were speeding, that's why I pulled you over. But if I was pulling somebody over, and I pulled over people a lot, especially as I was trying to get in the narcotics, you know, because I was trying to prove to them I could find weed on people, which nowadays would be dumb. Anyway, um, but I would try and pull people over, and then they would, if they said, like, no, I can prove this to you, which also 20-something years ago video didn't exist back then, I would be like, You're a liar. What's this foo woo-woo video stuff you're talking about? Right. Uh, but now I'd be like, I, you know, I wouldn't like it. And I'm not, and I'm sure that's what this cops are in. You're like, no, I'm I'm right. And you, but again, that's where you've got to, it comes back to keep training yourself. Keep because in training, you're gonna hear scenarios of how people mess up. Going to think, oh shoot, I don't want to do that. So that it's really, I think, the biggest way for cops to avoid this is to hear other people's mistakes, unfortunately. Um, because you could say, Oh, you can't do this according to the law, but then somebody you did get, you know, you get all riled up because somebody's rude to you. I remember one time I was in my patrol car, and I always went five to seven over the speed limit, like we talked about earlier, so I wouldn't just bog up traffic. And this guy just kept going past me, and I would I would go past him and then I would slow it back down to five to and he kept going past, and I just slowed. So finally I was like, dude, you're stupid. I pulled him over out and I was like, I need license, registration, and insurance. And he's like, you don't, he's like, he gave me one of them. He's like, I don't have to give that to you. And I was like, um, yes, I can. Yes, you have to give that to me, or you can't drive. And so he's like, he starts really arguing with me. And I and you know, he's like, you know, totally argue with me. You can't pull me over unless I'm going at least seven miles over the limit. And I was like, um, also, that's not the rule in this state. So you, you know, so we are, and I was like, you know what, dude? I was gonna write you a warning just to say, I was literally just gonna pull you over to say, don't go faster than the cop. And now you're arguing with me. And now I'm gonna go get my ticket and I'm gonna write you a ticket instead of a warning. And then he's, you know, becomes a complete word. So the point is, my point of all that is that you can have people who can it goes back to writing tickets. The people are just such jerks. But also, if I was like, listen, I wasn't, or somebody's like, well, here's why I was trying to go faster than you because my wife's in labor, I would have been like, oh, well, follow me. You know, I mean, I would have been a human about it. Yeah, but it's just that in that situation, I think she just got too caught up in I'm pissed off and couldn't let go of it. And I get that that's hard to do. It is hard to let go of mad. I felt that totally today with my teenager. You know, let go of mad.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:55

I decided just to her in a very calm language and she knew what I was doing. And so I feel like also people that are cops should have teenagers and then become cops and they could like practice having to get through that.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:10

I've said it on here before. I don't, I don't think we should be cops until we're 25 or older. Oh, um minimum. I I honestly believe 30, but um is what it is. Uh I I want to point out um tall Paul photography. I haven't seen him on here, but he said that is very true about unmet unmet expectations and their ego kicking. I've never heard it explained that way. Excellent. Um, it's not something that I made up, uh, tall Paul. Um, it's actually the ego course that we teach at our academy. And we, Bridget, you might not know this, but we we put our ego class on as an episode. I had one of the actual instructors that helped create the class, George. Um, he came on and we taught the whole thing. And we actually released parts of that class on our YouTube channel for people to see. Um, so cops can start understanding what ego is and when it kicks in and how to recognize it within themselves. And one of the best ways to recognize when your ego kicks in is when you have that unmet expectation. If you find yourself feeling some type of way on a comment or whatever it is, I would bet almost every time it's because you you expected this reaction and you didn't get that. And you're like, uh, and like the ticket with the lady we saw earlier. She took that and threw it on the ground. That cop expected her to take that and say, All right, uh, that's appreciated. I'm gonna go with my house now or whatever. And she didn't. She said, Fuck this ticket, fuck you, and then threw it on the ground on her porch. And he lost his ever-loving mind. He got triggered uh emotionally and went lizard brain and lost all of his frontal lobe, his logical and reason, reasoning area of his brain. It is a physical and chemical reaction. So it's not just us talking psychobabble, there's science behind it. So we learned all that. And what we try to show at our academy, we want these officers to have all the tools available that they can have. And one is their triggers and understanding that if you practice this and you start to learn how you react to an unmet expectation, you do way better because you're prepared for it. Oh shit. Okay, let me step back and let me reassess. What am I mad about? Okay, well, I wanted him to do this, he didn't do that.

SPEAKER_07 2:16:30

But you know, can I just add that that's like all of life? I mean, it is. And that's where I encourage people. Like when I say continue training in life, I mean like I've done yoga for years. And I know if you think that sounds cheesy, I don't care. Um, because it's truly made me a better attorney, wife, mom, everything, because it gives me a tool to it took me, and also it took me years to realize that yoga was teaching me that. Um, I'm also a certified yoga teacher, so I could really talk about it for a long time. But um that doing all the trainings in life, like do the nutrition training, do the sleep, like learn about why sleep is matter, like important to you. Learn about how, like, more about that, like the triggers, but outside of the law enforcement, like don't get law enforcement credit. Just go read a book about it or something, because that's where in all the years of like yoga I've done or just exercise training I've done, is that it's taught me the ability to one recognize the trigger, but even harder to back down when I see the triggers happening. Like I can recognize I'm pissed off, but it's really hard to not be pissed. Like really hard. That's the harder part, and that's where it takes more of God willing self-control.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:52

Yeah, you know. I I don't I don't know what it is about my personality. I I don't, I just don't I don't get mad really that much.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:03

Well, you you don't put ego in what you do then. That's what I would say.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:09

Yeah, I was gonna say in life and certified therapist.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:12

Like you do what you do, you know. My husband's the same way. Sorry, I have a fly going around. Uh he will there's no he has no ego tied to what what whatever he's doing. So if you don't like it, he doesn't care. He doesn't care. It's okay. I I feel like that's why he can be married to me because that's I'm a little bit that way. Um, or maybe a lot, I don't know. Um, but I I would will be willing to guess that maybe you're that way too. Like you do what you do and you're okay with it, and you can react how you react, but you're not gonna react to that.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:43

It's only for anger. Now, what I do get, I get emotional about a lot of other things though. Like this, I've got a lot of me wrapped up into this show.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:54

So when I see people that aren't being trolls, I trolls I get. I don't I don't I don't even pay attention to trolls, that's not a big deal. But what does frustrate me and and I do take it to heart, and I shouldn't, Mr. Billfold gets on me all the time about this, is I just I really want to help. I really want to the I like I said, I fuck, I've probably put sixty to a hundred thousand dollars into the show over the last five years. I'm really trying to do a

Self Control Training Beyond The Badge

SPEAKER_01 2:19:22

good thing, and I really want to. And when I see like, you know, I again we've got quite a few people that follow. I I do see the same rhetoric over and over, you know. Oh, the blue the the blue gang line or the like just people not trying, and uh it frustrates me, and it I don't want to say it angers me, but it does frustrate me. And I'm just like, come on, like come to the table and just talk. Don't throw out this lazy bullshit. And it's the same for the the the pure pro cops, the ones that just think cops can do no wrong. That's the other problem I have. I'm like, really? Like you didn't look at this video and they're like, well, you didn't see the full you know, they're like, you didn't see the full investigation. Like the again, I go back to the Sonia Massey case. That's one of my favorite ones to talk about. You know, well, you didn't see that, you don't know what he saw, and you don't know this, and you don't know that. I'm like, listen, I've done this job a long time. Is there a factor that could be brought up that maybe I didn't see? Yeah, there's possible, but not likely. I'm just gonna go off of that. So when I see this stuff, I do. I get that's one of the few times it's not an unmet expectation, it's that I have made this show in me in my attempt to help a part of me.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:40

And that is my own fatal flaw, and I know that about myself, but yes, but do you take it personal with people you don't take it personal and people don't don't agree with you?

SPEAKER_01 2:20:51

No, no, not at all. Um tell me why you don't agree with me, and then we can have a great discussion. Okay, cool. Right. Uh we just had we just won't agree on that. Um, Mr. Billfold, one of the guys that you see talking quite a bit, he and I go back and forth all the time. There's certain things that we just don't agree on, like the LPR situation. I don't know how he feels about LPRs necessarily, but there's a lot of people in the audience that we don't agree. We don't agree on ID, too. I ask a lot of people for I ask just about everybody for ID. And I get it, cops have ID crack. Now, where the difference between me and a lot of officers are is I educate people. That's my job. I I feel like that's my job. You guys know I got an educators' mindset. That's just why I do what I do. So when I ask somebody for ID, I tell them, hey, you have no obligation to give me your ID right now, but can I get your ID for all the information that I gotta get? If they tell me, and I'll tell them, you can tell me go fuck myself, and I can't. There's nothing I can do about it. Um but I educate people when they need to ID me when they don't. Or when they need to give me their ID, not ID me. I'll give you my ID, it's no big deal. But uh sure I'll give you my shit. Somebody's blowing up the oh, Harrison. Harrison gifted 20 memberships. I love it. Oh man, some people, some good people got memberships too. So uh Ryan is uh a power user, I would call him. Um, so he got one. Let me see. Uh legal fiction got one. We've already seen legal fiction talking tonight. So that's awesome. Guys, make sure you think Harrison. That's a lot of people. Any of the money that goes into the show, guys, or that you send to us, it doesn't, I don't have a Rules Royce out in the parking lot, I promise you. It goes right into the show. One of the things that we put the money into is uh premium, YouTube premium and stuff like that. So when we show YouTube videos, you don't have to sit there and watch ads. Um, so that's one of the things we put it into. All of this the restream, this thing that we're using, so you guys can see this on all these different platforms. The money goes into that. Um, I promise you, we're not getting rich off of this. So anytime you can put your hard-earned money into what we're doing, you are supporting this, so we can do this once a week, every Sunday. Um, we kind of upped our bridge. You you you thought we may have started an hour later than we normally do, um, but we kind of switched our time. We have more, way more viewers at this time of night, um, an hour earlier than normal. So we switched our Sunday.

SPEAKER_07 2:23:13

Well, I'm a I'm an early bed person, so when it worked, it's like it was perfect. Like eight, yes. So this is perfect. We start at seven. I'm in.

SPEAKER_04 2:23:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:23:24

We could start. I'd rather like let's do it at 8 a.m. That'd be great. Just kidding. I can't do it at 8 a.m. I have too many kids.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:30

Uh and and to Freeman's point, and I don't disagree with what he's saying, but most cops think that if they get a call, they get ID. And we know that that is not true.

SPEAKER_07 2:23:39

So well, it's not, but depending. Yeah, not 100%, but certainly a lot.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:46

But you we there's quite a few videos we share on here that it's just cops like I well, I got a call over here of a suspicious person. Your job's to investigate to see if it is a suspicious person, and you have a right to an ID. Not well, I got a call, so I get your ID. That's not how that works. And then if I tell you no, now you arrested.

SPEAKER_07 2:24:02

Earlier we talked about training, is I think that way too many times. And I can think of calls I went on where I definitely think like I would have appreciated having either a senior cop or a sergeant to say, Hey, this is actually what you should have done. I got very little of that. I was just I was just very proactive on I don't want to F up, mom. I'm not cussing. Your mom might not even be on anymore, but I'm not cussing because your mom was on. Uh I I just was so like, I'm gonna, I would rather err on let me ask, but I I don't know if that's also a gender thing, uh, but that's certainly what I also I don't think I'm the normal chick, but sometimes I realize I'm still a chick. Um so uh I certainly would have said, hey, and also knowing that the job, like sometimes you just have to make a decision and go with it. Like you can't always, especially where I worked, and and if I didn't have backup close, but um, or if my sergeant couldn't answer. Um, but to say that I I think that really understanding like just becoming a cop is not like it's not okay, I brushed my teeth one day and I don't have to do it, I don't ever have to do it again. It's not that. And so um I I just think people don't realize it's that and don't look at it as that. Like you you just can never stop. It's like, do you think Tom Brady was the best quarterback because he well, he was one of the best quarterbacks because he always went back and studied and learned and studied and learned and studied because he played for Michigan too. So well, I'm not sure about that, but yeah, also we had a really bad haircut back then. He had a that did not help. Um go go gators, but we're not good right now. We'll get there. Um Gate the Gators, the Florida Gators. Never heard of her. Yeah, they used to be good. Yeah, probably before your time. Anyway, um, but I just do think that it it just never ends. You can just, and and if anybody, anybody who goes into any job or anything thinking, I got this, I'm good, you're not. And that's a dangerous place to be, particularly in this job. So I just, you know, I just always just keep go to the class, get you know, ask somebody that you trust at the job or somebody senior to you, hey, this is this thing that I did. What do you think? How could I have done this better? But I know that's hard for people to do. Um, but it's not like it it's very important in this particular field.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:28

Yeah, yeah. Um looking over at the comments right now. Um I am boss. I don't know that they do it because they have immunity. I think they do it because so many just give up their rights. They're used to it. I'm not sure what we're talking about there. But um, guys, we're we're close to wrapping up. Um, Bridget, if you've got anything that you want to share or anything for people to get a hold of you and find you if they need to use you, um, let us know.

SPEAKER_07 2:26:55

I mean, uh yeah, I specialize in helping cops and first responders when they're having problems at work. Um, I've you know, I quit just if you want to know who I am, look up Lady Law Shield. Uh, I have a law uh website, uh, I'm on Instagram, LinkedIn. Um, but you can find all that on my website, ladylshield.com. So certainly love to help out cops in any way that I can at first responders dispatch corrections, all first responders. Um, but certainly also very passionate about making sure this profess that all first responders are the best that they can be. And sometimes that's in helping point out the things that go wrong. So love these conversations with Eric and everything that Eric puts out for all those reasons and and all the conversations that you guys have on this platform. So it's it's very important. It's what our country is based on, and I'm a total geek that way. So I love it.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:49

I want to give a shout out to Ariel. Said um you dropped two 10 bucks in the super chat. Thank you so much for that. He said, uh, using AI was able to my city's public speaking guidelines change. Oh, able to get my public my city's public speaking guidelines changed because their policy was we couldn't talk bad, rude, or disrespectful to the console members. I am not sure what that means.

SPEAKER_07 2:28:18

Well, I if I could guess, like I I do work a lot of work, uh do a lot with city councils and commit county commissioners, and they like to sometimes say, you can't talk to me that way. And we have the same um freedom of speech.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:31

Yeah, that makes sense. I'm thinking, I'm like, consul, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_07 2:28:35

Yeah, I think we have the same freedom of speech rights in a uh city council meeting or county meeting um as you do as city as citizens have against cops. So um I think that might be what that is. And I I encourage, I mean, that's great. I think you know, we it's a government has a lot of transparency in it for a reason, and you should make sure that that is is working that way. And then and then again, that but that works for the the first responders too. I mean, there's transparency in how they're treating the first responders. I feel like a lot of this conversation is around what, and we could stop soon because we do need to stop, but like it's around what cops do or do not do correctly, but there's a whole lot to talk about and how and what agencies do not do correctly. Um, and I mean that's a whole I could talk about it for ages.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:25

Yeah, we we've shared quite a few videos on here where the council members are trying to restrict free free speech. And what do they end up doing? They use the cops as a pawn, and the cops don't quite know any better because they're getting put between a rock and a hard place because they're beholden to the city council, because that's their employer in a way.

Where To Find Bridget And Closing Notes

SPEAKER_01 2:29:42

Uh, and then end of the day, lean on the constitution, y'all. You can't go wrong. Uh, it's gonna back you up. You you may get in trouble initially. And what and here's the argument that I would make if you tell other people fight it in court not to argue with you on the side of the road, do the same thing as a cop. If you know that you're protecting somebody's freedom of speech, step up, do the right thing, and fight it in court. You're gonna tell citizens to do it. Fucking you better do it too.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:13

Also, I'll say when he when you say fight it in court, I would say that you have a lot of rights that that you have available to you that never that come way before actually going to court. So you don't have to pay like all this litigation stuff. There's like all these different things. So find somebody who can help you, which includes somebody like me.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:29

There we go. Hell yeah. We'll we'll make you the official uh retainer for two cops.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:36

Anytime, Eric. Just let's let's let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:40

Hopefully, I don't need you.

SPEAKER_07 2:30:41

No, I hope you never need me. I tell people that all the time. I hope you never need me, but inevitably it's not not not you, but in uh in the matter of in the context of of uh the the first respondent work. Fortunately, it's not a matter of if you need you have a legal issue, it's just a matter of when, and it's just what you do about it, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:01

Um I want to give a shout out to everybody that uh chimed in on the chat today. You guys always make it more fun. Um, our activity on our chat is crazy anymore. We just can't keep up with all the comments, so it's fun. Our mods did a great job. I am boss. Said I had a blast, guys. I look forward to others to come. It's 10:30 here. Got to be up at 0300. Uh, appreciate you. I know you're one of the newer ones to the channel.

SPEAKER_05 2:31:23

Uh two cops, one lawyer.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:25

Yeah, Freeman. Yeah, two cops, one lawyer. I like it. Uh free, nice seeing you, Ryan. Uh, all you guys that uh have been consistent. Ariel dropping the 10 bucks. Ariel's been uh consistent person on here. You know, I I recognize you guys. Timothy Plumley, uh, he didn't talk a whole lot tonight, and he does give us a lot of shit when he's uh in a mood, but I like him. Uh keeps me on my toes for sure. And uh he was out there today. I saw him chatting and Driz is a new one. Um again, Harrison, thanks for the uh the memberships, dropping 20 bucks in the membership for uh or I'm sorry, 20 memberships. I don't know if that was 20 bucks. I don't know how much it costs. Um YouTube made made the prices. I didn't, so whatever it is. But uh everybody on Instagram that that did join us, just know that I don't chat on Instagram that much. I have a 57-inch widescreen over here, so I can see you right now. I'm looking at you, even though it doesn't look like it in the camera. And then I have in the middle of the screen is the video that we're watching, if we show a video, and then way over here on the other side is Instagram live. Uh so I don't, for whatever reason, won't integrate the chat on here yet. So I don't see you guys' chat much on Instagram. So jump over to YouTube. That's the best bet you can have. If you want to have a great interaction with us, jump over to our YouTube. That's where we push everybody. Um, my mom said, Great show tonight. Thank you, Bridget, for blessing us with your presence and knowledge.

SPEAKER_07 2:32:51

Oh, thanks, mom.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:52

Hope to see you again soon. Yeah, Bridget, you know you're always welcome on here. Uh, just reach out, let me know.

SPEAKER_07 2:32:56

I will say somebody asked, Do I help somebody in some other state? Um, I advise I'm licensed in four states. I've taken four bar exams. I don't advise that for anyone. Um, but I do advise and help clients in every state um across the country. So uh if somebody needs my help and advice and it's and it's it's in my my area, please call. Because really, just like Eric, he wants to help. Like I do this on purpose for a reason because I want to help everybody stay happy and go home to be with their family. So, because when you have legal problems, it's gonna affect your whole family and you significantly, and I just want to help. So um certainly help everybody across the country.

SPEAKER_01 2:33:33

Hell yeah. Well, guys, it was a great episode. Um, I'm gonna end this. Thank you for joining us tonight. And for those that just like to listen to the podcast or you want to watch it later, you can watch it later on YouTube. And I will have the audio up hopefully by tomorrow uh on Spotify, Apple, and all the other listening streams.

SPEAKER_07 2:33:51

Because Eric also doesn't sleep at I Am Boss, you could get more sleep, my friend. But I'm I'm happy you are here.

SPEAKER_01 2:33:57

Yeah, it's the ADHD, it just doesn't let me sleep. And when I sleep I don't have to sleep that long, so just embrace it. Make it your superpower. That's what I do. All right, guys. Everybody everybody have a good night. And Bridget, stick around while we end this.