Modern Policing In Real Life

A neighbor pulls out a phone and starts recording a police call and suddenly the whole scene shifts. We get into why that moment triggers so many bad decisions, how “ego policing” shows up in the real world, and why detaining someone without clear articulation is not just a legal problem but a trust problem. We also talk about the part the public rarely sees: applying constitutional law on the fly is a skill, and departments do not always train officers to practice it the way the street demands.

From there, we zoom out into modern policing and technology. Ring cameras and phone video create an endless chain of leads, license plate readers change how stolen vehicles get found, and drones can reshape searches and tactical decisions. The upside is obvious, but we ask the uncomfortable question: what happens when patrol investigative skills fade, systems go down, or cops start waiting for tech to do the work? We also dig into complaint culture, supervisor leadership, and why “customer service” and de-escalation are not soft skills, they are safety skills.

Finally, we hit the big pressures driving everything: exploding calls for service, people using police to solve civil and family problems, staffing shortages, and lowered hiring standards. Tyler joins us to share what he’s building at The Anti-Hero Broadcast, and we break down a trooper shooting video to show how context and threat assessment can change in seconds. If you care about police accountability, public safety, constitutional rights, and the future of law enforcement, you’ll get a lot out of this one. Subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review with the toughest question you want us to tackle next.

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Disclaimers And Quick Housekeeping

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Here's a quick disclaimer. The views and opinions you're about to hear are those of the hosts and guests alone. They don't represent any police department, agency, sponsor, or employer. Two cops, one donut isn't responsible for anything said by guests or for any videos, clips, or content shown during the live stream. This show is intended for adult audiences only. We cover real incidents, we show graphic and sometimes disturbing footage, and we don't shy away from strong language or adult conversations. There may or may not also be alcohol involved. Viewer discretion is strongly advised. Everything you hear or see on the show is for entertainment and educational purposes. It is not legal advice and it's not tactical instruction. And it shouldn't be used for such. By continuing to watch, you're telling us that you understand, you accept all this. All right, now let's get into it. I do have Tyler here with me from the anti-hero broadcast, except he had a food delivery going to his house. And so he's going to be about five minutes late. No big deal. We did these plenty of times by ourselves before. Banning is currently en route at an airport. So I don't know if he's going to be able to make it or not either. He was trying to do it from a phone, but it just wasn't cutting the mustard, so I told him not to bother. Looking over at the chat, I see we got my mom out there. See, I am boss, what's going on? David Edmondston in the house. Who else? I thought there was uh Marine Blood. Uh Harrison's out there. Let me see. Who else? Devil Pup, what's going on, guys? I thought I saw Mr. Bill Fold. I think he's out there too. Wade Lucera, what's going on, brother? Lots of cool stuff going on. Uh but yeah, I I have got bad news. We were trying to get Tyler's YouTube channel linked up, and in the process, it got deleted. Not his channel, but uh whatever it was that connected it to our restream. So we weren't able to get his people over here unless his people decide to just go over to our YouTube channel. No big deal. Um tonight we plan on just talking about modern policing. So the idea for this episode and and try to pose your questions this way is just talk about how policing is today, like all the modern tech and all the ways that we police, maybe a little bit how it differs from the past, and where we're finding new holes, I don't know if they're new holes, but where we're exposing holes that we weren't necessarily aware of uh previously. Um, for instance, the one that I talk about all the time on here is the constitution, the knowledge from police officers about the constitution. You guys have heard me ask over and over every time I have a cop on here. Like, how much constitutional training did you get after the academy? Or maybe when you were, if you had college, some some departments require you to have two years, four years of college. So if you were only getting the constitution in those, I would even argue that the constitution being taught in college isn't the same application process as what you would use the constitution in the field as a cop. So it's it's one thing to know the constitution and it's another thing to practice. That's why lawyers have to practice. They learn laws, but just because you learn laws doesn't mean you'll know how to apply them and how to use them in a courtroom. And it's the same for police work. People are like, well, they should just know it's the constitution. It's not how it works. You gotta learn how to practice what you're preaching and see it in real time, in real life. It's it's definitely something that a lot of people don't think about. They don't consider it. They're like, well, the constitution is a constitutional, how do you not know how to apply it? Get in a real world situation. It's it's just like playing a bunch of Call of Duty and being like, ah, I know how I'd enter a room, I know how I do this, I know how I would uh use tactics for that, and then they get out in the field and all that shit in real life, they get in the field in real life and all that shit goes out the window. Like, just because you learned it doesn't mean you know it in practice. So um, I am bosses. Amazing how they don't even know the simple things. And what's funny is how they're an expert in some of the craziest stuff. You're just like, how the hell did you learn that? But you didn't figure out how to do this. So um, but yeah, we had a video sent in like just before we got started. So I want to kick it off the right way because tonight's episode is gonna be a little short anyway. And I don't want to, I don't want you guys to hear me preach. Um I will say that the the way that the site, uh, the site, the way that our platform is developing, I'm I'm fine-tuning. You know, we've been doing this five years. April was our five-year mark. And what I'm trying to do now is I'm trying to break down, I'm trying to make it more structured, more organized. I'm kind of all I've been all over the place. So now I'm trying to break it down and hit the things that we've we've been practicing and preaching. You'll start to see, you'll start to see patterns. Things are gonna be kind of color coordinated on our on our pages, and and you'll see what I'm talking about. Um, just giving you guys an idea of what we're doing out there. But all right, I'm gonna share a video. Let you guys see this one. This is a this is a TikTok video that is on my Facebook page because that's where it was sent. Um, but let me play this for you. Y'all tell me what you think. All right. Stop sharing that. Uh so what do we have? Uh it looks like those officers, from what I know, they were on a call. This was uh a nosy neighbor at at worst, decided that they were gonna film. It's not a First Amendment audit or anything like that. It's just a person that lived in that block and started filming. And you can see the moment the ego took over that that officer was having none of it. And now he's gonna put you in cuffs and detain you, not because of his own observations or his own articulation. He wants the sergeant to get there to see if he can arrest you. Anyone have a problem with that? I do. End of the day, officers out there watching, you are responsible for putting cuffs on people. You can have your sergeant get there. You've just detained and took away somebody's freedom with zero articulation other than you want your sergeant to tell you if you had a right to do that. Interesting. That's that's not how that works. That's not how that works at all. So, educational-wise, I you know, if there's officers out there watching, like what do you do with this guy? What do you do with that? That was a lot of emotionally charged, ego-driven, didn't know what to do, so let's just flex and power trip. That's what that was. So again, when when people get upset that I push against that narrative that 99.9% of cops are out there doing the right thing, I think what they're thinking of. Oh, it looks like we got the man, the myth, the legend, back. What up?

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Did you get fed there, big boy? Yeah, dude. I've never eaten faster in my life than that right there. You did not have to rush for us, but I appreciate the thought.

SPEAKER_04 8:39

Oh uh, so people, um, I know we're sitting there. Uh let me show you this video since it's so short. Um show you what we just watched here. I was going down my little rabbit hole. Okay. So, Tyler, I know you're now since retired, but uh you're on a call, right? Let's let's let's make this a little more user-friendly looking. There we go. Okay. You're on a call, and somebody decides they want to film you in uh in the trailer park neighborhood, right? Yep. And this is what we get. Did you did you catch that part? I'm gonna call my sergeant and figure out if he wants to be arrested.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Oh shit. My actual sergeant's now yelling at me for putting him in handcuffs. First off, the only the only crime is that woman's face. But as soon as somebody went like that and started quoting stings from courts, I'd be like, uh, that's this is a different they're playing on a different, you know, yeah, different ballgame.

SPEAKER_04 10:07

Absolutely. And so that that was kind of let I'll finish this video. I'll it's got 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_07 10:17

You are from one. What's my crime? I'm looking at I'm committed a crime. I'm not committed. I'm committing a crime. I'm I don't match a description of any of your things, and I'm allowed to record you guys.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

Yeah, you're about to get one. I love I love the the defeated look of the other officer too. You can see he's just looking down on the ground like, I don't want nothing to do with everything you got going on.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

I mean, we talk about the auditors all so first off, she doesn't even seem like a real auditor. No, I don't think she was an auditor, but she was just trying to enjoy trailer park, doing what trailer anybody, it doesn't matter if you're in a trailer park or you're in a really rich neighborhood when the police are there. I do it. I'm like, yeah, why not see what's going on? Right. So he seemed, I wonder what he was worked up about, though. He seemed a little worked up about something else.

SPEAKER_04 11:06

Yeah, yeah, uh, yeah, for sure. He probably told her several times to get back, and 90 99.9% of the time, cops are used to people just complying. Oh, oh shit, my bad. Like he saw me. Okay, I'm out. But every so often you get a person that has some education about rights and what they're allowed to do, what they can't. Um, and and cops, I don't want to say that we pray, but it's the one way to describe it. We prey on people's ignorance.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

That's a good way to say it. I mean, it's what we do. Ignorance uh is a word that I think has bad connotation to it, but it is just the fact ignorance is just not knowing.

SPEAKER_04 11:44

Yeah, it's a lack of knowledge, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Like not knowing to shut up. Yeah, you know, like when you get arrested, like right, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_04 11:52

We can lie to people. That's another thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

There was a full side, people can lie to us. There's really no outside of your name, yeah. Did you commit this crime? Nope. There's no statute that I know of that, hey, you lied to me about committing this crime.

SPEAKER_04 15:03

Yeah, yeah. And so looking at this, this I was making this point just before you came here. Was I'm like, if you caught it, he's like, I want, he's like, we're gonna wait for my sergeant to get here so we can figure out what we're gonna arrest you for. I'm like, bro, you just put fucking cuffs on somebody, detained them, took away their freedom, and you didn't have a charge, you didn't have anything. Like, end of the day, if you can't even articulate why you're detaining somebody, it's on you, it's not on your sergeant. Yeah, you gotta have a reason first, and then go, well, we'll wait for the sergeant to get here so he can help me.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

Oh, yeah. Can you imagine being that sergeant? Like, are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_04 15:42

Yeah, I'd be like, Well, one, go let her go, apologize, uh, and now let me go deal with this complaint, see if she wants to file a complaint. Fuck that, dude. You yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

It's it and so I think that's I think that's the beauty of a super, a really good supervisor. One time when I was a new, I not newer, but I wasn't very seasoned yet, and my buddy had gotten promoted, and he was the corporal, and some some woman was bullshit complained on me that I was mean to her. We're at like a fight at a gas station, and the clerk was causing all more problems than anybody else. And then uh I saw him talking to her, and I'm like, dude, you're gonna fucking go entertain this. Like, I didn't do anything wrong, and he was like, It stops at me. He's like, if she'll just go away, there's nothing, there's nothing. There was a call came in while we were there about a complaint wanting to talk. So it was at the end of the day, he was a good buffer. Yeah, my pride was all hurt that my buddy was entertaining this, but he was like, if I can send her away saying whatever I say, we're good. You know, if she wants to press a complaint on you, that's where we're not good. So he told her what he she wanted to hear, and she walked away happy.

Modern Tech Creates Endless Leads

SPEAKER_04 17:01

Yeah, I was gonna say, I as a sergeant, I feel, you know, I I tell people I'm like, now when people ask for a supervisor, I'm that guy. And I will try to squash it at the lowest level. Yeah, if I can. I I think I think that's fair across the board. And I want to make sure, you know, it most complaints that I that I fielded, I I would say almost all of them, it's just somebody wanted to vent. They they they didn't like the outcome and they wanted to vent. And so you let them vent. Yeah, and so I ask, I'm like, okay, so I'm trying to figure out what they are trying to tell me my officer did wrong. Yeah, and almost every time it was tone and they didn't like the results. Yep, he should be going to jail. Okay, well, that that's not gonna happen. Here's why it's not gonna happen. Um, but I understand why you want this person to go to jail, and you're at your officer's an asshole. Okay, what what did he do that made him an asshole? And then they start to tell you what made their officer an asshole, and it's it's just because they're some people just aren't friendly. That's the big one. They just like me, I'm a friendly guy all the time. But I know some officers that just that's not their demeanor, they're just very Spock like. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Yeah, and that's the crappy thing, is in 2026. The I'm all for it. Like motors guys, they don't have to be nice to you, yeah. Right, and you take it and you're on your way. But I I don't I think that unfortunately cops are now expected to be Mr. Friendly all the time.

SPEAKER_03 18:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

And I mean, but like it I tell people all the time, like it police work, you are a master at customer service. It's like fuck ATT, fuck all these customer service. You are the master, yeah. At sending people away floating on the worst day of their life.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

You know, logic goes out the window when you know your car gets broken into and okay, well, yeah, we'll do the report and everything, but I know who did it, and I want him arrested. It's like, what does uh I can't without with what I have, I can't do that right now. Yeah, and it's the worst day of your life, your window smashed, your purse is gone, and now this cop's not doing his fucking job. That's how it seems in your head when when you're on the worst day of your life, but like or just people like you said, they want to vent. So as a street cop, not even a supervisor, a street cop. If you learn that, yeah, you let them vent and you go, okay, so like, do you want to file a police report? And they're like, Well, no, or they go, Okay, do you want to press charges on this individual? Well, no, I just wanted to tell you how pissed off I was. Yep. And you're like, Yeah, absolutely. Man, that is awful. You don't deserve that. Well, do you want to do you want him to go to jail for this? Well, no, he's just a kid. Yeah, and in your head, you're like, Why the why the fuck am I here? Oh, looks like I'm gonna get to lunch on time, boys.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

Yeah, because they they just wanted to vent, and then here's gonna be the rub. There's gonna be people that hear us saying this and they'll be like, see, cops don't fucking care. That has nothing to do with it. It's you we push de-escalation and verbal judo so much. This is how we do it. This is how the system flows. Otherwise, if you've got report calls on every single thing and charges getting pushed on every single thing, you're going to overload the already overloaded system. You're gonna have less cops for service, you're gonna have like you're gonna cause a big ripple. And this goes into kind of the topic of today, and that is modern policing. When my dad was a police officer, uh, I would say probably just before you and I got, you know, we kind of were that transition, I think, Tyler, the going from you know, the old school to the new school, and and that's the technology side of things. So the point I'm getting to is back in the day, like when my dad was a cop and and shit like that, early nine late 90s, going into early 2000s, um the leads to a case. What did you do for leads? You had witnesses, victims, suspects, maybe some video at a 7-Eleven. Nobody had yeah, maybe definitely didn't have cell phone cameras, you didn't have any of that. And what is your job? What are all the general orders say about police work? Is that you shall follow all leads? Like that's what they tell you to do. So, how many more leads do we have today than we ever fucking had?

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Well, it's never ending because if you have a vehicle, how many ring doorbell cameras do you go knock on the door? If you have a vehicle and you kind of know the route, or the vehicle could have taken multiple routes, you have an endless string of doorbell cameras that could have caught this video. Like there's and it's just at what at what point do you draw the line and go, Well, I have 12 other cases I have to fucking figure out? Or you're a supervisor and your guys been on the same call for two hours. Like, dude, what is going on? Like, it's just I gotta like at some point it's like, let's just wrap this up and get it to where it needs to go because there's more, there's more calls, or you're putting all that work in for a PlayStation 5 that got taken out of a car.

SPEAKER_04 22:27

You're like, How much work do you want me to do to follow through on this case according to the general orders?

SPEAKER_01 22:34

And yeah, dude, and man, like I went from one agency that did their own misdemeanor, um, like misdemeanor crimes. Uh, you did your own. Um, you had to. And I went to another agency that was super, super busy for patrol. So you didn't have to do anything. It was either it's being closed, it's going to an investigator, or it's going to the state attorney. It's got three things. It's you don't do anything. Now, if you wanted to, you could ask your supervisor for permission, who would just call this the sergeant on that that particular crime, and they would like let you work it with some guidance to kind of like let you get the experience. But at least in a very, very, very busy area, um patrol typically does not have to deal with cases, which was I loved because I just like doing police work. I love going to calls. That was like you're walking into somebody's house and you're like, Yeah, it's this it's the front road. What is it? Front road tickets to the craziest show on earth. Yeah. It's police work.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

Yeah. Uh Tim just said there's 15 cameras just walking down my little 800-foot road in my complex. Yeah. And that that people, you wonder why detectives' clearance rates are so terrible. I mean, you look at property crimes. Now, they're they're pretty good on homicides, like major things.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

Yeah. Newsworthy things.

SPEAKER_04 24:00

Newsworthy things. The clearance rates are a lot better. Uh just because, again, those are the ones that the chiefs like, no, you're not like you'll follow every fucking lead you can find on this thing. Yeah. Um, but your iPhone cable that got stolen out of your vehicle, along with your your vapes and your zins, like we're we're gonna talk. Did you have any witnesses that saw what do you have any camera footage? No, okay. Um, other than that, if you don't have any other leads for us, we're this this is gonna be a pended case. It's not gonna go anywhere.

Lost Patrol Skills And LPR Dependence

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Well, and you know, the old school rule for detectives and patrol was like, hey man, please don't pass me up something that I'm gonna have to close out if you can kind of uh close it out at street level, you know? Right type thing. Like, don't like if and so I used to always do that, and then patrol was getting They're pee pee slapped for closing out cases and stuff when it's like, well, this is there, there's no, there's just no leads. Like there's nothing. There's nothing. It's like I left a PlayStation in my car a month ago in a lows parking lot. I went back to get my car, and you know, the window is there's no cameras. Yep. There's no nut. Like it's just yeah, and I didn't notice it missing for a month. Or or even battery, or it's called battery, but uh assault, you know. Somebody, if it you just don't have a case for it, whether it be mutual combatants or you know, DV is a different story. We all do the DV dance when there's DV, but just regular battery, most of the time it's like uh you were at a bar drunk at two, and it's now 3 p.m. the next day, and you want to report getting punched in the face at a bar that's closed right now. So as patrol, I can't even get fucking any video, and you don't know who did it, and you don't really remember anything. Like, I dude, I had somebody try to do battery on a mosh pit in the rock club. They were like, I was battered. I'm like, I we I've never had anything like that before. And I'm like, listen, Sarge, I'm I want to close this out. I'm a rocker through and through, man. I've been in many mosh pits. You just don't do that if you enter, and he was like, No, I'm good with it. He's like, do it info, just say, like, based on this culture, he's like, Google it if you have to. People are knowingly going in there with body contact, and just the and and I closed it out, no crime was committed. And then another one, dude, bro. I know we got to get to videos, but oh, you're fine. I'd never told this story before. I got called that somebody was like sexually battered, and I'm like, oh man, what's going on? And I'm like asking and asking, and I'm getting it. I'm like, where were you? Oh, I was at uh a dominatrix business, like a club, and I'm like, wait, so you were tied up, yes, and me and my husband were in there, and this new this couple that we work with, and you know, we've we've worked with them in the past, but I did not give her permission to slap my tits that time, and I'm like, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

So I'm like, first off, these places exist, right? So I had to go talk to the store, they're fucking terrified. It's the police. I'm like, I I you know, I don't know what you guys run here, but this is what happened. And they're like, people sign waivers, they come in and they use our dungeons for their own.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

He's like, There's absolutely no sex that goes on here. Dungeons, like, okay, yeah, and um, it's a it's a it's a free, like a play, playful society business. I don't know what they just run out the rooms, and I'm like thinking in my head, like, do you like like clean exit when they're done? Like any, anyways, and I'm like, so I dude, I had to call my female sergeant, she's a such a sweet woman, she's an elderly woman, she's Catholic, and I had to run all this by her. And I was like, Sarge, what do you want me to do? Like, what I I'd never call the sergeant for anything, yeah. Like, I I don't know. Like, do you want me to pass this up? But I was like, To me, she voluntarily tied her upside down and was getting smogged with a leather thing, and then I guess this time the woman smogged her and she didn't allow it, but she is allowed the same thing. She's like, just write it up as an info, like based on what she told you, this was an expected thing.

SPEAKER_04 28:17

And I was like, God, I wish you would have got called to trial for that. She got called to court. Can you demonstrate what she was talking about? Smacking your boobs together or something.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Did she try showing me like where it hit? I'm like, I don't know. We're not feel right here.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

You can feel a bump. Yeah, she's like, No, like ma'am, you're telling me you do this on the reg. Like, yeah, that's like a fucking MMA fighter going, look, I got punched. Like, right, don't you do that three times ago?

SPEAKER_04 28:45

Yeah, absolutely. Um, it you know, there's a couple people I want to give a shout out to uh badge 502 who said, Hey goobers, snuck away to say hi and tell you I love you guys, have a killer episode. Um, I'm not sure if you've ever had badge 502 on your guys' stuff, but uh highly recommend. Badge 502. Yeah, he's a dispatcher in an EMT. Um that'd be cool, man. Great dude, funny, got a got a big following. Um, yeah, dude. He uh he does stuff with us all the time. So uh Rich Creamer over off on Instagram said, Patrol investigations have gone to shit, but I get it. And I think that kind of brings us to the next point, Tyler, is how shitty are or how quickly are people's investigative skills in patrol dwindling, their social skills dwindling, and their dependency on tech getting much heavier, and they're losing the skills to do the work.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Bingo. I mean, just going and talking to people. I like I remember one time, it's funny because I actually got in trouble after I was praised because I didn't use Blue Team. It was right when Blue Team was coming out. Yeah, and uh, and there was this fuck, there was this cars were getting stolen, all like cars and trailers, and and this one trailer got stolen, and I and uh I was like and I used emails to the night squad on the time I was on days, and I was like, hey guys, just let you know, like this is what's going on. Uh, this is what I have. Does anybody have anything? And the sergeant from nights hit me up and goes, We just got hit on these streets, so I would start checking around here. I'm like, cool, man, thanks. Email done the next day. They wanted this trailer that was stolen so bad. I don't know why admin wanted it back. I don't know if they knew the guy, I don't know what was going on, but I was like, all right. So I went and you know, everybody was around. I just started walking around talking to people. It was in the hood, and I'm like, hey, you know, I'm I'm looking for this, you know, trailer. Anyone know what happened to it? And I'm talking, and they're talking about the other cars getting still we're all talking. It was a positive environment, and it wasn't combative at all. And then somebody goes, I walk over there, he goes, You want to know where that trailer is? I'm like, Yeah, and he goes, and he told me exactly where it was. I went read the serial number, that was it. And I was like, I never would have got that without just going out there and talking to people. Yeah, yeah, people want to talk to you, especially if they're not gonna get in trouble.

SPEAKER_04 31:05

Yeah, the the big thing lately is stolen cars. So um, I know it's controversial with the LPR videos, like there's a lot of people that are big against them right now. Um, because some some of the companies may or may not have been doing some data issues. Uh a flock, yeah. So with that said, I understand, but officers' dependency on them to find stolen vehicles is ridiculous. You find you they will avoid work to wait for a 60 car to go off so they can go try to have the fun. And if they don't get it through that means of an LPR, show me a person that's out there these days that knows how to try to track down a stolen vehicle without LPR.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

I don't think you're gonna know because you used to have to run. There's this thing called like, I don't know, starting with a license plate and working out. Like, how many times has this license plate been? And so you're like, oh, I found an I found like it's been at you know, and you just like through like an hour of using a CAD system or using your whatever system that is the is the blood work of your agency, whatever that is, and uh link you can start pressing license license numbers, you're like, Oh, this person was in a report with this person, this person was in a report. You just start creating like this web, and it's fun, it's actually kind of fun, yeah. And then that's how you just or this thing called um uh vehicle hot sheet, right? So we used to do these things in police work called briefings, and instead of being, hey, these are the goobers with warrants in your zones, or these are the stolen cars that are most likely in your zones, we're worrying about policy, we're worrying about general up or um what are the things you sign off on all the time, power DMS?

SPEAKER_04 33:00

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Power DMS train general order training and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

Yeah, we're worried about all that, we're worried about this, that, and then we'll watch some dumb video of a shooting so the sergeant can say they showed you something in training. That yeah, I don't that's cool and all. I don't get me wrong, I think a lot of young minds can watch those, but at the end of the day, real cops need to be patrol, especially night shift needs to be. I want I always said, like, where's the stolen car sheet? Uh well, you can go on and get it on your computer once we're done with briefing. Like, why? Like, tell me what cars are hot, tell me who's got warrants.

SPEAKER_04 33:32

Like, this is not hard. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, and it like I said, it's it's a law skill, exactly what Rich was talking about. Um, and he's he's over on Instagram saying, you know, you walked around and talked to people. Um, but it it's it's a lost art. I think it's one of the problems today. It's one of the good things about modern policing is the tech. I do think it is a great enhancement if you already have those skills. Because if it's down, and that happens all the time. We just got drones where I'm at, and the website went down. Like the the way that you monitor your drones and stuff, the drones themselves work, but the website was down for some odd reason. Well, there's a tool that we just started using literally like a couple days ago, and it's down.

SPEAKER_09 34:20

Yeah.

When People Call Police For Everything

SPEAKER_04 34:20

And you already have patrol like asking, like, hey, can you get a drone over here? And I'm I'm like, that's cool. It's awesome. Like, because they're seeing the value in it. And and it it helps on calls. But if it's not there, like what are you gonna do? Are you gonna get so dependent on it that you make mistakes? Are you gonna get is it gonna cause safety issues because you got too dependent on it?

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Well, I mean, my big thing is uh the the toughness of some people, you know. Like, I I've really I started seeing a thing of like white college kids coming out of college at 23 years old, becoming a cop and walking around the hood like they're about to do something. And like you're talking to a dude that's a foot taller than you, pretty much fights every day of his life in some kind of physical altercation outside the liquor store, and you're gonna go tell him what's up. And I think that you know, my buddy always used to tell me this he's like, I can't surround myself with cops that could be a big bad dude to the civil or the citizens out there, but then when you go, I have a fucking problem with you, we need to go talk this out, like they are terrified. Like, yeah, there's nothing scary about confrontation, like we work a very high stress job, and if we don't get these out of the way, which actually, when you have those hard conversations with people, you scream it at people, your your bond's actually stronger at the end of it. Uh agreed. We learned that from the military. Yeah, yeah. And I remember one time uh I was getting in trouble for something, and I was yelling at my sergeant because he's such a giant piece of shit. And uh my captain like smiled, and the lieutenant looked at him. So it was my captain, lieutenant, and my sergeant in there about some fucking bullshit with me. And my captain smiled, he was an old school SWAT guy, and he was like, Um, I'm okay with this. He's like, That's how we used to fucking do shit. That's how things get done is people screaming at each other. Yeah, and you know, the days of um big Sarge going in the lieutenant's office and fucking them having a screaming match, and he walks out and it's like mom and dad, you don't ask, and he's handling stuff for his boys. The lieutenant's got the brass coming down on him, and the sergeant's the last line of defense for the guys, yep, and those are gonna clash. And when it, you know, and it is what it is, and they're probably friends, but the when work, it's work, and cop work is very high stress. So you're dealing with workplace stuff, being in trouble with your boss, being in trouble late on things, turning things in wrong, you know, like all the things that come with it, but you're also people could kill you at any point of that day. So it's like we almost forget about the stress of the job because you're like, fuck man, I I did the like a report was wrong, or I'm I'm late, you know, like regular things that uh you would have to deal with at a job, but this job, like, hold on, I can't think about that because a code call came out and now I got to barrel 100 miles an hour down to the shooting scene.

SPEAKER_04 37:20

Right. Yeah, and Project uh 1868 brings up a great point. The call volume per capita went through the roof from 2008 to present, um, with no shift overlap on 12s, uh, never get you through briefing. Um, the point about call volume, I kind of touched on this on a video not too long ago. People call the cops for everything. Everything. They weaponize us, they use us as pawns to handle the dumbest shit. And I kind of hit my boiling point on this one video, so I shared it. It was a dad, like a 50-something-year-old dad, called the cops for his seven-year-old autistic kid who destroyed his room. And the cops get there, and as the dad's trying to tell them the story, by the way, the dad posted this video like thinking he was on something. And uh the cops like are pissed off. They're like, You really called us for this? Like, how old are you? And he's like, I'm 52 years old, or whatever it was. And he's like, It's a child. Handle your child. This is not a police-related matter. What do you want us to do? And that's where I was like, all we'll do is we'll make it worse. Like, you just showed your kid that already has some developmental issues uh and is gonna have some major trust issues by the cops going in there. Nothing the cops do will be good. Yeah, we we have this dependency on police where we don't think to call our family members, we don't think to call our neighbors, we don't think to call special services medically or whatever that could be. Shit, get on chat GPT and ask them how to parent. Like it may give you some good ideas that you didn't think about. I don't know. Then maybe call the police.

Professional Acting Niceness And Burnout

SPEAKER_01 39:01

We should be the last fucking resort. I would tell people all the time, I'd say, Well, what do you want me to do? And I would say, I'm not saying that disrespectfully, don't get me wrong. I'm asking you what you want me to do because if it's an option, I'll do it. But out of my training and experience, I'm telling you right now, I'm I don't know what you want from me. Yes, because you don't want, you know, like I like I like I one time I made a really bad decision, and I said I went to a noise complaint for the third time. There was no violation, it was just paranoid, it was um neighbor on neighbor. Oh, it was a dog. It was a dog. Okay, the neighbor's dog was barking. It's not a police issue, it's just not. And I go, I unholstered my gun. I was like, You want me to go shoot it? And I thought it was hilarious. Joking, they did not think of that was hilarious. I got in a lot of trouble for that. I did pull my gun out. I did the whole like you know, yeah, flip the hood down. I was like, You want me to go shoot it? I'm like, what do you want me to do? Like, what do you that's the only thing I can do? I can go fist fight that dog or shoot it. But other than those two things, there's nothing I can do for you. I was because I had lost my temper and I'd been there for like two or three times. So um, I don't know. It's just like so now I started realizing like you go to people, and there's some people that the system has failed them on such a level, as well as the system is failing law enforcement and law enforcement's failing people. But when you go to somebody with I went to somebody with a 10-year-old with ODD, oppositional defiant disorder, and they did the same thing. They it's a diagnosed thing, and they've destroyed the room, and they destroy everything all the time. They're very hard, they don't do anything you tell them to. They can communicate okay, and they know what they did, but and so and you see this mom, she can't keep a job because she's always dealing with you know, she can't get a boyfriend because of her son, the dad's not in the picture, and you and I'm like, I I just like you feel so often for these people, but this society failed you. I'm not feeling you right now. I don't tell those people obviously go learn how to parent, but it's a it's a legitimate thing that it's just a really sad scenario, or somebody with a family member with schizophrenia or a family member um with uh not almost said autism. Um what's the one where you uh Alzheimer's Alzheimer's? Yeah and mom's wandering away at three in the morning and they have to like lock her in. Those are all really, really, really shitty things that you almost gotta like just pray for. Like got that's a god thing, right? But at the end of the day, other than finding an on uh a person that's missing, like there's not really much we can do about it. We can't go wrestle your 12-year-old to the ground, that's not gonna do any good, right?

SPEAKER_04 41:42

You know, and I'm and I end yeah, and what do you do when that 12-year-old is you know 200 pounds and he's like a man size? Yeah, because I've seen that. You get there and you're like you start looking around, you're like, holy shit, like if he fights with us, like this is gonna be a legit. He's I know he's a child, but he's huge. Like there's some corn fed kids out there, and you called the cops on something that is a parenting issue. It's not a it's not a crime. And what everything you're dealing with is a civil issue, and you want us to help solve it.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

And what happens is we can't not. Oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 42:19

I was gonna say, well, and and what somebody was saying earlier was like, well, I think the cops should should be nice on every call. They shouldn't be assholes. And I I that's not what I was alluding to earlier, is that you can't be nice. I'm saying some people just don't have the personality that it appears to be a tripper nice person. I I'm an overly optimistic, friendly person, always smiling. Like that's just my personality. Not everybody's like that. Some people just look like assholes and come across that way because it's their personality. They're being professional and they're being courteous. Like they're they're going through the motions. You just, you know, they got a little RBF. I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

Yeah, and uh and young cops too, or or cops that are kind of disgruntled, is like they they could make their entire lives easier by putting on a show of niceness. I like I I would make I my job, I always tell my supervisors, my job is to make your job easier. So I'm not trying to get you complaints. Also, I'm not trying to take a bunch of dumbass reports. I'm going there, I'm almost like a paid actor when I'm coming to you. Like I'm 100%. I'm going to be overly nice because I know that you, if I'm not and you don't get your result, that's a concoction for a complaint. So if I'm overly nice and I'm on body cam and you're like, man, not only did he not do anything wrong, he was super nice. Like I have nothing to say to this cop.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Like he's good, you know.

SPEAKER_04 43:41

Yep. I and I would tell people it because of just like um what was commented earlier about the uptick of police calls. It behooves me. I have to be an actor. I I can't be myself because being myself can get me in trouble. And I'm not saying that I'm out there, I'm a bad person. It's just like I can't joke. I can't look at you what you talked about with the gun and the dog. Like, that's funny. Like, that's the shit that I think in my head. Can't say that. Can't be myself. You can't do that in this profession.

The Art Of No Report Policing

SPEAKER_01 44:16

Oh, especially, man, after you've done it for five years, you're like, it's just kind of like you got to laugh it off. Like, and that's where I do believe that patrol, at some point in patrol, you have to get off the road and go do something else. Now, if you work in Mayberry, you can do 15 years on patrol until one of those detectives dies. Right. And then you can but if you're working like a high call volume place, patrol, you can't be there forever because you start. Well, I noticed when I did nine years on patrol. Well, I did seven years on patrol, two years in street crimes before I left. And on patrol, I'm walking, and I'm in my head, I know how every scenario is playing out. I because I've been there.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

And that's not good for someone because I'm like, just put what happened on paper. I'm already rolling through, like, at some point, like that is their worst day. And there are some particulars in this that you know I might miss because I've I've been to this call 800 times. I know exactly how it's gonna play out. So you know, you start becoming jaded and uh, you know, and at the end of the day, one of the things that's killing patrol is the fact that we have to go to every single call and we have to tell people you can have a report if you want one. Like the days of telling people like don't call us are over because of liability. Yeah, you got the boy who cried wolf 10 times, the 11th time you make that call and something happens, somebody's going on a chopping block. Who is it?

SPEAKER_04 45:43

There is an art in patrol, and and I hope this doesn't make non I hope this doesn't peep make people mad that are trying to have this cop accountability. Because I'm with you. You guys know my motto on here. I'm I'm trying, I don't like bad cops, I don't like cops doing shitty work. But, Tyler, you tell me if it's the same for you, but there's an art to figuring out how not to do a report. Because more oftentimes than not, the calls that you're on aren't a criminal issue. They're not they're not something that does your person, your your victim, they truly don't want anything actually done. They're not gonna follow through on it. Um and you know them when you have them. But if you do that, just like you said, being in patrol too long, you'll start to see some cops that they try to we call it N O R and um no report. They try to no report everything.

SPEAKER_01 46:40

Oh yeah. And you're like, bro, like it's almost like a competition to see who can no report the craziest.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

Yeah. And and that's the that's the delicate balance.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

And then but here's the problem is that if you're seasoned and you're good at it, all right, you're good. Like supervisors are looking at you, like, all right, like I okay, is this I wasn't there? But you got you set new guys will look at you and then go NR something they think is identical. And it's like, whoa, there's a huge element here that's yes, and they're like, Well, I've been watching these guys NR shit all the time because they've been on the road for 87 years, like they just know, like, hey, there's no liability in here. I said everything right on body cam. I'm not gonna get trouble. Like, I instead of lit, okay. This is gonna sound cynical. This is why I'm not in the job anymore. You go, while this person's telling you, you're just looking for to make sure there's no loose ends before you tell this person I'm gonna document it for you, which is CAD notes, right? It's still documentation, it's still an event number, but it's not a whole can be pulled, it can be pulled by legal if they ever want it. Yep. So I remember one time. Here's the thing, though, if you're gonna do that, I downgraded a home invasion to a suspicious incident, which is an NR. And if you're gonna do that, you don't downplay that on the radio, right? Like you don't go home invasion comes out, code, right? That's an emergency. And you get there, um, it's there could now we get there, we realize it's not a home invasion because the person had just lived there. They were going to get their stuff, yeah. Oh, okay. So, hey, everybody tone it down, it's not a home invasion. I got one with me, will handle it, right? Okay, so but there's got to be some kind of crime there. It was a home invasion. Something's got to have happened. There was something that came out of the radio, he hit me, he's stealing my shit, like whatever. So, okay. Um the the battery, which was again in Florida's assault to touching of somebody against their will, was mutual and non-domestic, and nobody wanted to press charges on that. Okay, so now I got a non-domestic assault with no but misdemeanor, nobody wants to press charges, so that's out of the way. I'm like, let's get to this stuff. No, it's my stuff. Well, I well, these video games are mine, but the Xbox is his, and he's trying to take the whole basket. It's like this is a civil issue. So I went and I said, Hey, this is uh all right, I yeah, civil or suspicious incident, no report. And my phone started blowing up. Like, how are you gonna turn a home invasion? And so you can't do it over the radio, you have to like do it in the computer, and then just hope no one asks, like, what was that home invasion about earlier? That tower's on. Let me go look at that. Like, if you do it over the radio, you're now letting everyone on that net know that you just did it.

SPEAKER_03 49:26

Yeah, so learning experience.

Hiring Standards Staffing And Citizen Oversight

SPEAKER_01 49:28

And I had a trainee with me. So my lecture was do you think that was good for the trainee to see that? And I was like, You're absolutely right. No, it was not good. Trainees don't, you know, need to, even if you articulated at all, something like that, you should be in for encouraging an info report so the trainee can at least articulate why it wasn't criminal and get the experience.

SPEAKER_04 49:52

And so yeah, uh, I love it. I mean, I know what you're saying. Um, Mr. Bill Fold said, Eric, that video I sent you yesterday was a cop tasing within 30 seconds of arriving for a civil matter. Karen's weaponized feelings enforcement for civil matters, uh, because so many cops are ready to rock. And I saw the video that he's talking about, and basically it did look like some sort of you know, neighbor calling on him. Anyway, the cop literally does show up. I mean, you you can tell he's probably ex-military. Um, I it definitely seemed more marine-like to me, uh just the way he was talking and acting. But bro, he gets to seeing, he lets loose with this taser and then uh lies to his sergeant about what was said and what was done. Now, it may be how he remembered it. Absolutely. It may be how he remembered, but that's not what happened. Um so to Mr. Billfold's point, I think what we're talking about is when we were saying how people are calling so much for the police, and you get guys, you get cops like this that are little we we know them, we've seen them. They're the short man syndrome cops that are like that you hear them in the roll call room. I hope somebody fucks around and finds out today, and you're just sitting there and you're like, No, you don't. I I promise that's not what you want. Uh you you say that, and it happens, and then you're crying and like, oh man, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I think I fucked up. Like, we've all seen those guys, like yeah, yeah. I want a peaceful day.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

I want I want no paperwork. I like the the fighting stuff. Like, I got it out in my first couple years, and like I will, dude. I'm telling you, let's say let's do a trust bratter trespasser at a bar. Let's say it's midnight. The whole we're busy as fuck, right? And I walk in and the guy's like, I'm not going. I'm like, I'm gonna finish my drink. That's usually and uh I'll call Big Sarge and be like, listen, dude, I'm not fighting tonight. I was like, I'm just gonna wait here until you can free up about four units, and I don't care if it takes an hour, I'll just sit here. Like, I'm not unless somebody's in immediate danger, I'm done flexing on my authority on people. Like, hey, dude, I was like, I'm just gonna let you know you're going to jail anyway, so you can either sit there and not cause any problems, and then five of us show up, you're gonna go voluntarily versus you versus me. And dude, I'm a I'm a huge advocate of verbal judo as I got older.

SPEAKER_04 52:25

Yeah, I I mean it it it is, it's a mature thing, and that's why I'm I'm a big proponent of I don't think we should even be hiring cops until they're at least 25. Yeah, once once our brain starts stops developing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

And I mean we've talked about that too. Like, you know, the I think 25 is the good age, and the problem is that uh 15 years ago, maybe yeah, probably 20 years ago, when it was not uh like it was very competitive to be a cop. Yeah, post-9-11, like you know, the little patriotism, although that's a stretch, it does tie into service to your country and service to your community, and it's a government job, it's uh got a retirement stability, it's just not like that anymore. So you can't pick the, you know, you gotta you gotta go with what you got. When academy classes are at record lows, and you're like, is what's going on here? Calls for service are going up everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

So as more people it's here's the math, and it's super easy. As more people are born and the earth's population goes up, calls are gonna go up with that. Yep, which means police officers need to go up with those calls. And in fact, police officers are diminishing or staying, and openings are staying unfulfilled. And then so city councils and uh police departments are having to fudge kind of why that's going on and lie to the officers on ground and lie to the community. Because being transparent, being like, Yeah, we don't have enough cops, like nobody wants that. We'll find somebody else who can make that happen.

Tyler Explains The Anti Hero Broadcast

SPEAKER_04 54:04

Yep. And so what do they do? They start lowering the standards, pushing for shittier police officers, and then you get like your Minnesotas, uh, where they're offering a shit ton of money in a in an area that I would consider not, you know, the highest cost of living. So pound for pound, you're getting paid pretty well, but you've got no backing, you've got just the lowest of no offense to all of Minnesota cops, but uh you know, there's a lot of people that make themselves stand out for poor training. And I I see why it just keeps spiral spiraling down. I can't say that word, spiraling down, and uh that that's what we're going to cause in some of these places. Now, where I'm at, I'm lucky. Great training, great money, lots of support, lots of citizen support. And I honestly think it's because of the citizen support where I'm at is why I do what I do because I don't want bad cops to fuck that up for me.

SPEAKER_01 55:06

Yeah, yeah, that's true. And and I and where you're at, that some people have said something like, uh, I don't agree with uh civilian review panels or boards. I love them, and I love them too, as long as it's not a corrupt, you know. I I I know you don't really sway politically, but I'll say it like a democratic ran city where they push agendas and different things over skill. Um, you might get a citizen review board that doesn't like cops. How that happens, I have no idea. I think a citizens review board, granted, would in perfect world would they be impartial to police? Sure. But at the end of the day, you're a human and your age is 40. You either like the cops or you don't.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:52

Like the cops are not some um like thing you've never heard of. Like you either like so I would prefer my citizen review board to like police officers. So now they can watch something go, I love cops, and this is wrong. Like I love so if I'm saying it, it's wrong. You know, if like if you get a bunch of people up there that are very pro-police and have nothing, they don't want to do anything wrong to you, and they just need they but yeah, I'm a I I think the citizen review boards are great.

SPEAKER_04 56:21

I think that they, you know, I don't want them having decision making. I think ultimately that needs to fall on your chief. And citizen review boards, they can advise. Here was our what we advised, and that can be public knowledge. So then if the chief goes against that, he's gonna have to justify it, he's gonna have to be accountable for why he went against what his review board said. But I think more time, at least where I've been, more times than not the the chief and the the advisory board have always found common ground. And I I think that's how it should be. Like, of course, that way you can keep your chief so he's not biased. And because you don't a chief shouldn't be biased. Chief should try to do the same thing because they're they're technically separate from the department.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

Yeah, they should be.

SPEAKER_04 57:13

But um, well, brother, uh, I want to get over to you. We've uh we've been, I know you don't have a lot of time, but I want I want to get over to you. We've you were on a long time ago back when you were the anti-hero podcast, and now you are the anti-hero.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

Remember when we released our videos in the same week? Same week. We did a competition for views or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 57:36

We were talking shit to each other just to just have fun. Yeah, it was good stuff. Um, so with that, give us all the I want people to understand like what is it anti-heroes doing these days, what you platform and and what they can expect when they go over to see you guys.

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Well, first off, I want to apologize. I'm midway in building my home studio. Um, so that's why everything's black, it's painted, but there's no there's no nothing hanging up, so it does look like I'm in like a closet or a booth. Um, but um, but yeah, so um we have our Bain studio where we do the broadcast out of it. Just it the um sometimes with different streaming softwares, our equipment works or does not work, and I've never used restream over there, so I didn't want to risk it um because we have like a lot of equipment over there that I don't really sometimes know how to use. Good with just been me trying to figure it out. Um, but yeah, we're a broadcast, and me and my co-host are retired, we're veterans and retired cops, and um, it's just a good time. We do a like a radio show from like 1 p.m. eastern time to like three, and we're just here for veterans, first responders, blue-collar dudes. Like we cover topics, we joke around, and uh I turned it into a broadcast essentially because podcasts are just they're I have there's there's so many podcasts, it's like man, it's just the competing against a gajillion podcast is very hard.

SPEAKER_04 59:09

I know. Trust me, I know.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

So I try I and being retiring gave me the option to do it every day because I've always wanted to do a broadcast. I always thought that would really be fun, a live broadcast every day. And so that's being could because when you're on the job, you can't do that, you can't really do anything routine unless you have like a nine to five schedule in law enforcement. Like, so a broadcast being retired early. I went into media, and I was like, Well, now that I have the chance to do this, I'm gonna try it. I didn't really think of the workload, it's every day live, like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:47

So I'm glad it's you and not me. I I love doing this, but I don't think I could do it full time like you do it.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

Well, it just it becomes work, and then you're kind of like it's right now, like if you do a sunny, it's like a release, like you're like, I've been waiting to do this, like yeah, let's have some fun, and then sometimes, man, you're just having like a crappy day, get an argument with the old lady before work, and then you're like, I'm alive, but yeah, like well, I'm here, you're welcome.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:16

I don't have shit to talk about, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:19

So, but I mean we call our supporters a 99% because I came from a um a trade the podcast that it was was very special forces oriented, and that's where it went. And you know, like the regular dudes were like, I can't really relate to this. Like, you got cops, regular military dudes, like regular like blue-collar guys that were like, I'm all for the team room talk, but I don't I don't understand, like this is like a special forces fan show, right? That's what it was, yeah. So when we rebranded, we uh made a commitment to everybody that this is gonna be a show for the average dude, and then somebody was like, So, like the 99% of men, and I was like, Yeah, like we're not trying to niche down, we're literally just trying to put out a good product that everybody, whether you're a welder, you're a fireman, you're a cop, you're a fucking banker, if you're like a dude, and it is for the boys, it's a very male-oriented show, yeah. Um, we have females come on from time to time, and we have some female listeners, but I think YouTube categorizes us at like 97.5% male, which is astronomical. That's a lot, a lot of dudes, but yeah, I mean, whatever you're into, I'm not gonna judge.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:37

Uh um I'm just looking over at the comments here. Uh, somebody asked, King Slayer said, Isn't this the dude who said cops should be able to beat people over the back of the head with a baton if a citizen talk crap to them? I've never heard Tyler say anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

Uh well, I'll give King Slayer something. Yes. Now he now he can feel like most likely. Um, I have a I have a co-host and we put out entertainment, right? Right. So if we're gonna break down a video, me and my co-host Mike Copville, we don't think that it should be both of us agreeing on everything all the time, right? So what we'll do is we'll go into characters. Mike's very cops need to be held accountable type guy. I'm a very fucking cops are on the chopping block every day of life, right? So I'll go, I mean, he's resisting, right? Some I mean, and I'll play around with it. I get it's a broadcast, dude. It's every day, yeah. Right. So if I'm watching five cops beat the shit out of somebody, and it's kind of excessive, right? Let's just say it's excessive, right? I'll go, well, I mean, he's still resisting though, right? And Michael, no, I'm fucking around, but he'll get all worked up, and it's almost like it's it's entertainment news, so it is news, but we're just not two dorks breaking down like cop videos all day long. We're both cops at heart. When I say dorks, I'm that's what we mean is like we, you know, you're a dork about it. Yeah, we are, we're dorks about it. We love the industry, we love the job, but um, so yes, most likely King Slayer has maybe seen a segment of our show where I said somebody, like, for instance, the Texas video of the dude that punched the woman in the face, right? He was on top of her. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the bedroom, very controversial video because the chief even came out and said it's ugly, but he didn't do anything wrong, right? And so I was like, This is a perfect opportunity. Like, Mike's like, this is he and Mike was right about everything he said, dude. He had her positioned well. He he didn't need to do anything, you know. He was arguing great points, and at the end of the day, I was like, I mean, she's resisting them, Mike. And it's funny, but I get the I get the humor.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:53

Um, if it like if I were to do something like that on our like that's not our platform, and everybody lose their fucking mind, appropriately so. But yeah, they need to understand the difference, like that they're not getting the same type of thing when they go to anti-hero broadcasts, like that's what you guys are doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:11

Well, if uh it's like watching like your show for authenticity and real police breakdowns and real accountability. Think of it like you're the UFC and we're the WWE, right? Like, I mean, like at the end of the day, it's still we're still very athletic, yeah, we're still doing everything's real, but it's a little scripted in the sense of how it's delivered to you. I love it. That's fucking um funny. Like I said, I'm retired, so I can do that. You know, a real an active cop could not go out there and do what I do. They would you'd be a defense attorney's like wet dream. Okay. Oh, you were on these episodes saying that this is acceptable, like yeah, while fucking joking around, obviously, we don't need to beat our citizens, but you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:54

Uh yeah, I it's funny because I think now if a prosecutor tried to, or I'm sorry, if a defense attorney tried to pull me onto the stand and and try to paint me as a person that just tries to protect police, like they would get fucked over by all the shit I've put out on here calling out bad police work, you know. Um, we we call it good shit too, but like that that whole ploy wouldn't work. But I know you're short on time. Let's let's watch one video together. Okay, it's short, it's like two minutes.

Trooper Shooting Breakdown And Context

SPEAKER_01 1:05:28

Child of God asks, is Tyler's on his own line or just joining yours? No, we tried that and I messed it up. Yeah, so uh we are just on Eric's, but we'll get Eric on ours. Uh and then how do you guys feel about Angry Cops, the man? Um I I've never met him, I've talked to him, I've texted him a couple times, but Angry Cops, yeah. Uh remember that the bald headed dude, he's in the military, he's a drill sergeant. Oh, the drill instructor, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's also a cop in um New York. He's a cop, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:58

Oh no, no, didn't he find something bad out in his own department out?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

Child abuse. Oh shit, got not sexual abuse, but child abuse. Um, and like a school system neglecting uh to look into children being beaten or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:13

Yeah, that's I think he's a cool dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:16

Wire ghost just said gay.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:18

I think he was talking about what is a pog or pogue. Pogue. Yeah, I think that's what he's talking about. That's Eric. Yeah, yeah, that's me. It's good. Uh I was talking to um, hold on before I I'll stop sharing this real quick. I was talking to uh Justin. Justin, yeah, he told me. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:35

We were trying to figure out the warrant.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:37

Yeah, yes. He was like, he's like, so there's like a security forces thing, and we were we're talking about you, and I was thinking maybe it'd be your your level of expertise. And I was like, well, I can tell you this in security forces, we don't act like traditional police. We think we're traditional police. Like you talk to any security forces guy, they think they can just leave security forces and lateral into the street job. And I'm like, you fucking can't. You're not even you're not even close. You don't want to hear this. I'm sorry to break your ego. You are not ready for street cop life yet. Uh, you do learn some good stuff, but you learn some good stuff just like a a loss prevention guy learns some good stuff on report writing. I mean, let's be honest. So, no, they're not ready, but no security forces member is making entry into a house like that without some sort of uh clearance from their flight chief. Um, they're not doing that. So to me, that was a leadership failure. And you can even see a lieutenant go in, which blows my fucking mind. Uh that it was the female, she was a lieutenant, I believe. I think she was a first lieutenant, uh, go through that door, and I'm like, what the fuck is happening that they all went into this house? But I know that just regular patrol guys out there in security forces, they ain't going into that house without a boss telling them to do it. So uh short of somebody like hearing shots fired. And if they're hearing shots fired out of a house, then it makes sense, but that's not what you had. Um, I plan to find out more about that call, by the way. So I will find out.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

So you got old Jerry Worms in the chat.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:18

Oh, is Worms in there?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:19

Oh, geez, the the legend, the man who said, Hey, Tyler and Eric, glad to see you guys doing a podcast together.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:24

Hell yeah, bro. Uh sounds like, yeah, it does sound like I need to get over there on anti-hero. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

We got real we got tons of real estate and as far as time goes now.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:33

We're five days a week. I yeah, I hear that.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:36

So anytime. Absolutely. All right, let me biggie size this one. There we go. Let's I don't like this view. I like this view way better. There we go. All right, let's hit play and see what we got.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:49

I have not seen this, so somebody straight at me on 115.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:07

All right. So we'll start with just with just that. I am going to say.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:12

You ever seen South Park?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:14

It's coming right for us. It's coming right for us. Yeah, yeah. Like the guy's clearly trying to avoid him, and he's coming right at me.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:22

Now, I'm going to say, based on my training experience, we have a motorcycle going down a dirt road already. Clue number one. This guy is running from police. And I it's a trooper. Troopers can do a lot more. I don't know what a set of rules. Oh, it's Missouri. So it's definitely a southern state. And they're crazy down here. They probably Georgia, especially in Arkansas.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:48

They can probably execute you in Missouri on the side of the legally.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:51

Right. Um, but I I'm gonna hope that this guy's wanted for something incredibly serious. Uh uh child sex crime or maybe a homicide. For that's the only way they're gonna be alright with you bumping a motorcycle that I can see, or shooting, shooting at a cop.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:10

Yeah, yeah, we call it like a forcible felony, like something that you uh yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:16

Yeah, so I can see we already could see this guy's trying to get that bike back up. So I can tell you, for me as a cop, uh, I'm gonna deploy out, probably try to use my my car as cover and get him before I don't know. I'm probably gonna rush him and try to get him before he gets that damn bike back up.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:34

Um, I've never rode motorcycles, so I don't know how easy it is to get that bike up.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:38

I don't think it's easy.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:39

Yeah, yeah, I I would think it's not that easy. So um, all right, let's uh let's keep going.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:49

Oh they've said horse information, you're editing 34 leading.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:54

They were just they were just point, they just wide herped it at each other, and they all missed. Yeah, yeah. Uh that was okay. Let's keep going.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:06

All I can see is the red and blue.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:15

I'll tell you what I noticed this cop's not doing. He's not getting on his radio trying to say shots fired, shots fired. He's handling business.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

Uh he's like uh sometimes, you know, when you watch a shooting video and you're like, oh, the the last why the last two or three rounds? And you're like, oh, you get the science behind when you go to shoot that you're not able to stop it. But some of these have like a two-second interpulse.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:41

Yeah, I think he's shooting because that guy moved. Not not necessarily that he's moving a gun, but just because he moved in general.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:49

And this is stuff like what we do is like I can see a lot of people being very offended that I'm laughing at this. And right, right. It's like over and done with. That guy's most likely deceased, and this investigation is probably over with. So we're a little dark and cynical in the fact that we're not laughing at this, we're laughing at the ridiculousness of police videos. Keep going. Sorry.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:09

The uh the motorcycle any warrants or stuff. I believe possible shots fired.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:20

Damn, they're just getting it out.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:22

Police summon 848 shot. Get us an ambulance now. Repeat eight.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:26

Oh, he's shot. The officer got hit. Oh, okay. Well then, man, that explains why he's making sure that's why he kept shooting. So now he can I for those listening, you're like, well, because he's shot, why does that mean he gets to keep shooting? Because he doesn't know if he's got a mortal wound. So if that guy's still moving, he's he's shooting to just neutralize that threat. I and I'll say he's shooting to kill this guy because if he loses consciousness, he doesn't have a chance to save himself.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:55

So the dude stood up and wanted to get in a pistol fight.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:58

And that goes to what you were saying. Like, you know, I I remember when you paused it, I was like, this is the exact moment where a cop's gonna run off instinct and sometimes make like not the best decision, you know. When like we all liked a Monday morning quarterback and be like, how would you do that? Like when you're when you're in that moment, you're gonna either do you're gonna do one of many things, most of them are okay. But I was like thinking just like you would, like, hey man, go spear tackle this guy over the motorcycle before you get up. Had that had I done that, right? Because I I'm sitting here thinking I would probably do that too. Yeah, he had a gun the whole time. Right. And that would have been a bad call.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:36

It would have been a bad call, yeah, absolutely. But I I just I know how I but again, we don't know what this guy's wanted for yet. Uh that could change our mind too. If I know that this guy's wanted for a violent felony, like he just shot somebody, yeah, I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna use my car for cover. We were just going off of what we saw. So that does make a difference.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:59

48 shot, get us an ambulance. Sit down, sit down, sit down.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:07

Okay. I think I have seen this. I remember making fun of this uniform. I don't know. I'm trying to get it. It tells you how much shit I've seen that I don't even remember seeing some of the stuff. It's like I saw it again. I think I have seen this. And I made fun of this uniform.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:21

That is a trooper uniform. I think it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:23

Because this is how ridiculous some departments are that they want look over function. And this is tradition. They have this stupid leather strap going across him that now is hindering him from getting medical aid because they want to look pretty. Get the fuck out of here. Meanwhile, you got t-shirt and fucking vest behind him, like the perfect functional unit.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:47

Now that's the deputy right there.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:49

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

Sit down, boy. Let me know. Yeah, you're all right. You're all right. All right.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:13

Stop it. Stop this.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:28

Look, and they even tried to do the right thing. Um, let me read what the fuck happened here. Uh shout out to um Police Activity, that's where we got the video from. Uh, not that they need more subscribers, but they're only sitting at 6.8 million. Is there another place to get that stuff? That's where I get mine. Um June 17th, 2025. So this is pretty old. Concordia attempted to stop a motorcycle driven by 23-year-old. Double homicide suspect. Okay, yeah, I wouldn't have tried to tackle that guy. Um, spotted the motorcycle in a neighborhood. Uh attempted uh motorcycle fled, grabbed a nine millimeter pistol and began to shoot. Trooper returned fire. Uh the the guy was still holding the handgun, attempting to rise, and trooper fired uh to end the threat, um, which we saw. But look, I'm not gonna lie, I know I've just taken a round. I'm shooting until you stop moving, period. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:36

So you don't know, you don't know how that round impacted you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:41

Um just to just to start some shit too, by the way. I I you know I tag you guys whenever I use your name for anything, and uh I put out the the picture that I was having you on and tagged Copville in that one, and he sent me a message right back. And it was not friendly about you. He said he's he called you happy, but I don't think he meant happy.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:08

Oh man, yeah. He's uh is his comment on Instagram? It was, yeah, it was. Um lives on Instagram.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:18

I I gotta ask, I gotta ask. So you know, I've had Copville on, I've had had you on, had Justin on. And I saw a clip that you guys put out, and I saw you being awfully mean to Justin.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:33

Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:34

Uh I'm just I I couldn't let you leave without you making a public apology to he's like he's like a boy scout. How can you be so mean to him?

Sharks Inside Jokes And Final Plug

SPEAKER_01 1:17:44

Nicest guy in the world, too. I know he is. Um, we have a show called we have uh me and Mike and Justin own a thing called Counterculture, where we have a lot of shows underneath the anti-hero umbrella where like if we can't get to it or it's not fitting for anti-hero, or if it's a different demographic, like we have shows that we do underneath that umbrella. And one of them is a show that me and Justin host called Open Mike. Yeah, and it's meant for industry drama and like beef and stuff. And so I was like, Well, I have a you know, and we we're very open, like we're on that show, we're transparent about everything. We need a we need a code word for when hey, don't talk about it. But justin would have, you know, like I said, if someone's personal business, we're gonna do it. But Justin, um, I told him I wanted we got this new banner uh chirons, they're called Chirons. When you watch Fox News or you watch a show and they got the things on the bottom, they're PDF files essentially, and they're lay they're uh not PDF, they're PNG things that you lay over the screen and you customize each one. And we just got access to them and we just started learning the process. And I was like, I want it to debut on anti-hero, right? I want this new look on these shows because the person that did it did one for every show. Fuck, it'll be one for your show if you want. It's super easy. It's just this thing that you type on and then you export it, and you just make ones for any subject you want to talk about. And uh and he uh I told him I wanted it to, I don't want it to debut on open mic, and I could tell he was upset about that, but I was like, Well, it is what it is, like it's like and then he did open mic and he used it, and I saw it, dude. I was unwarranted, like the amount of anger I felt was really unwarranted for anybody, including myself in the fucking banner, yeah. Get over it. But uh and I didn't yell, but uh I was I expressed my um I saw the clip.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:45

You looked, I it is what I told Justin. I was like, he looked, I thought you guys were doing a skit, and I told him that. I goes, bro, that was so good. And he goes, No, he's like, Don't don't talk about it. And I was like, What? Because I told him I was gonna I wanted to like like perpetuate it. I was gonna help you guys like yeah, I was like, I'll put a clip on and be like, tell me about this, and then yeah, and see it and just let you riff on it. And he goes, No, no, no, that was that was that was real. I was like, Oh shit, my bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:15

We're trying to do things like that that are um it's content, it's entertainment, it's a real thing. Should I have said, hey, I'm gonna make this a bit, be prepared? Sure. Should I have asked him his permission? Sure. Yeah. But at the end of the day, it's not something I'm not gonna be like. We had a co-host that had an anti-hero a while back that had a lit, like just a list of problems, like personal, like he he was just he was in a very hard time in his life. Make it and and I wouldn't, and we would never talk about the show, although it was a huge detriment to the show. Like it was everything was always fucked up because of him, but we couldn't make fun of it because it's his personal life, it's his demon, it's everything. Yeah, so so then we kind of like were like, well, let's make a show about like industry stuff, like I have a problem with you doing this, and so it was real, it was a little ex a it was a little excessive, yeah. And then when you do something like that, you start feeling it out, like Justin didn't get mad, Justin didn't get an attitude, and I let it go immediately. And then we're like, man, maybe we can like start doing this stuff for real. Because you when people do this stuff in entertainment, they've been doing it for years, like yeah, like at like Barstool Sports, those guys are drama central, but it's all kind of kind of not real, but it's real in the sense that it really happened, but the blow-ups are just so because they want it to be on TV and YouTube. So we're trying to play with that, not have a hostile work environment. A, you know, I gotta make sure everybody's happy to be here, but um yeah, it was well JJ Grayman told me to ask.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:04

He told me to ask you, uh, what's your favorite shark type of shark? This motherfucker. I don't I don't get the joke, but must be an inside joke.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:14

It is so I have I had a host, like I said, we're we broadcast five days a week, so there's tons we do 30-minute spots for people, right? Like we don't do an entire interview podcast, we just do like, hey, 30 minutes, you know. We you can come on more than once if you want, man. We just kind of like rotating door. Anybody wants to come on and pop in? And I had a fucking shark YouTube guy that I've been watching for years. I was his name's Hank or Hal, sorry, Hal. And he's got a huge YouTube channel where he breaks down shark bites. I have a fucking infatuation with sharks, I love them. And apparently I nerded out so hard that everybody was starting to be like, dude, Tyler's like lost his mind with this guy. Like, I was like, so so they're like, no one knew I had an affinity for sharks.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:59

Um now they all they want us to ask every guest we have on what's your favorite shark. And these people are like, Why are you asking me this? And we're like, I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:08

Cool. I like it. Um, there's a there's a guy I followed, Jax Jax World, I think is what it is on Instagram. Um, but this dude, he's he's like uh Steve Irwin, just loves fucking everything that kills you. And I'm terrified of spiders.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:26

Yeah, gross.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:27

But I'm the type that because I'm scared of it, I want to learn as much about them as I can. So it kind of helps negate that fear, I guess. And uh he handles like every fucking spider in the world. Um, the one that terrifies me the most is a spider called the wandering spider. Because if it bites you, you die with a boner. That's real. Yeah, I think that's what they learned how to make Viagra out of was that spider's venom.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:54

You're not messing with me.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:55

No, for real. Yeah. Wandering spider.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:00

Look it up, look it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:01

You die with a boner.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:04

100%. There's a lot. I think something must have just ended on the counterculture network because like all of our all of our supporters are flooding in here, and our our comment section is on the anti-hero is ruthless. It's it it is fun, but you gotta have hard skin. 90% of the people that watch our show don't comment, and I'll ask why.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:27

And they're like, I'm not getting that fucking thing. I do just ruthlessness.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:31

The throne of the wolves, dude. I mean, the fucking every every other comment is someone calling someone gay or someone calling me gay or like making fun of some one of us, like you know, and it's a good time, but it's uh it's ruthless in the comments.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:45

So damn.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:46

Well, I'm gonna be respectful of your time, brother. I know you had a short day today. We didn't have banning today to bounce off of. So uh I'm gonna thank everybody. Please make sure uh you check out anti-hero broadcast and everything else they got. Uh Tyler, tell them how to find you.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:02

Uh YouTube, the anti-hero broadcast, Instagram, the anti-hero broadcast, Facebook, the anti-hero broadcast, um, and then our website is the antiherobroadcast.com.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:13

Not not too hard. Uh awesome. I like it. Uh cool. My favorite shark is a Mako, uh, because I think they're the fastest, but um, yeah. I think they're scary motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:25

But other than that, when are you coming on the show? Uh let me know. Are you free during the days at all? Any day of the week?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:32

Um, this week coming up uh everything before one o'clock in the afternoon. So I think that's two o'clock in the afternoon your time.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:40

Everything before two.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:42

Yep.

unknown 1:25:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:43

So if you're doing anything before two p.m., let me know. Uh because I gotta teach all week this week.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:48

No, but like does your schedule in the future at all allow you to do like do you have or do you work like nine to five every day?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:54

I work four to midnight typically. Um that's five to five to one a.m. your time.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:01

Okay. So yeah, we'll just we'll get with it when uh once you after this week, we'll go into next week. Cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:07

And I'm definitely free on weekends, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:09

So but all right, brother. You're the only motherfucker making me podcast on a Sunday night.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:15

Uh you love it. All right, man. Everybody, thank you for watching tonight and uh have a good night. Peace.