Cop Watching And Civil Rights

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SPEAKER_08 0:00

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Welcome Back And Guest Intro

SPEAKER_08 0:52

Alright, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I am your host, Sergeant Eric Levine. Today I got with me the one, the only I sit with Alan. He is finally back. What's up, buddy?

SPEAKER_05 1:03

You're muted. We can't hear you. Sorry, man. This microphone, if you touch it, it has a mute button on it. I love it. But it's been a whirlwind of a month. Uh spent a lot of time in the hospital with family members and things like that. So I know.

SPEAKER_08 1:18

You had a shit run of luck. You had a shit run of luck, sir.

SPEAKER_05 1:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:22

And then I'm glad it's over with. So good. Um, good to have you back, bud. And then uh we have the man, the myth, the legend, HBO Matt. What is up, brother?

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Hey guys, what's up?

SPEAKER_08 1:35

Uh, Matt, I can tell you uh we have had several people on the show that have been requested by all of our community. You are one of the highest of those that have been requested. Uh, on top of that, with Long Island Audit, uh San Joaquin, uh shoot, Auto the Watchdog, you. They want us to get um Jeff Gray, uh Civil Rights Attorney, Southern Law Draw. So you're amongst legends uh that they wanted you on here. A lot of the friends in that list. A lot of okay, well, good. I like that. Maybe we can network after this, but um okay, folks in the audience. One, I appreciate everybody jumping in. So I'm gonna give some quick shout-outs to our normal regulars. Freeman Keys, what's up? Michelle, which is my mom, Matt. Michelle's in the chat. What's up, mom? Uh, Mr. Bill Fold is in the house. Who else is in there? I didn't see uh Jerry's in the house. What's up, Jerry? Uh appreciate everybody jumping on. Okay.

The Peavely Traffic Stop Video

SPEAKER_08 2:40

So rather than have Matt sit here and explain himself and where he came from, I got a little video. I that is this is how I know of him, and uh, I pulled it up, so I'm gonna share the screen here.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

You only got a million views back on the old what, police the police three Facebook video of channels. I think it was version three? Yeah, I think about a million on there.

SPEAKER_08 3:05

Okay, so I got it pulled up already. Um, this is if you if you're not familiar with HBO Matt, uh, go to HBO Matt, Blatantly Armed Media on YouTube. That is his channel. That is what we're watching this on. So make sure you like, follow, subscribe, because he's a good guy. Uh, but this is what I remember. So let me biggie size this real quick. And we are gonna I fast-forwarded it because he's he's basically doing one of the OG audits. This was from about six, seven years ago.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

This is the first time I recorded a cop.

SPEAKER_08 3:38

Six, seven. Uh oh, it's your very first dang, you hit gold the first time.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_08 3:44

Okay, so he's I mean, I don't know what camera he's using, but he's you're a good distance away because that no outlet sign is not the clearest, of course. Could be a little about 200 feet away. 200 feet? Okay, let's uh let's play here. So he had been recording for a while.

SPEAKER_06 4:03

He never approaches.

SPEAKER_08 4:05

You can trust me. I watched it.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

How's it going? And this couple was like just watching, making sure nothing goes wrong.

SPEAKER_07 4:13

You got an ID with you?

SPEAKER_10 4:14

Uh sorry, though. Is that ID crack? No, I'm not in my truck.

SPEAKER_07 4:19

Plus, I'm not committing a crime. You realize you are. Is there a stuff ID? I can seize your phone right now. It's a live stream.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

It's a live stream, so there's no evidence on the phone.

SPEAKER_07 4:32

Go ahead and end it.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

Nope.

SPEAKER_07 4:34

End it right now.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Sir, you just committed a couple of felonies.

SPEAKER_07 4:38

It's protected you understand what I just said to you.

SPEAKER_08 4:41

It's all right. So uh I'm gonna go into uh cop explanation right away. You could hear that Matt gave him an unmet expectation. His expectation was he was gonna come up, he was gonna say, I want your ID, and Matt was gonna give it to him. Because that's how 99% of interactions typically go for police. They are used to people just simply complying because they don't want no static, they don't want no smoke, uh, but they don't fully understand their rights. Matt was standing on his rights. Um and were you in a public area?

SPEAKER_02 5:15

I'm standing in the parking lot of a truck stop, looking across the street into the parking lot of another truck stop.

SPEAKER_08 5:20

Beautiful. Public space. I love it. Um, if anybody had a right to be there more than the other, it'd be you because you're a truck driver. So it makes more sense. So when that unmet expectation hit, he went from trying to think logically and reasonably to his lizard brain. He started thinking outside of that prefrontal cortex and went into an emotional place. And that's why he raised his voice and he started spewing a bunch of bullshit. Well, he was spewing some bullshit right before that, but like being illegal to film, not true. Um what state was this in?

SPEAKER_02 5:53

This is in Missouri. I can tell you at this time we're looking at the riots are starting up, and in I can't remember if it was in St. Louis or Kansas City, um, cops had just arrested somebody for not giving ID for recording and were trying to push a the city was trying to push a statute saying you can't record cops. So that he's basing all of this off of a 15-second news clip from a jurisdiction we're not in because we're not in the city, over the city trying to pass a law saying you can't record cops because they're tired of cops getting recorded and starting riots when they do bad things on video.

SPEAKER_08 6:30

Ah, okay. So spewing some bullshit. Uh I'll I'll I'll keep with that. And um he's not meeting, he you're not meeting the expectations he was expecting. And uh this is where it starts to go awry.

SPEAKER_07 6:50

Hey, Arnold's pulling up. You got the stuff right there. I'm gonna go over there and have a talk with right here.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

They did give me this body cam fast.

SPEAKER_08 7:04

Oh. I I would hope, and and I'm gonna I'm gonna end this right here because we can just talk to you through the rest since we already know that he overstepped. But um I'm going to assume or I'm gonna hope that most departments are just gonna jump and give you that stuff up front when they realize they fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Missouri's got a sunshine law, so they're pretty good about giving that kind of stuff unless there's an open criminal investigation.

Phone Seizure And Threats Explained

SPEAKER_08 7:30

Okay, cool. So kind of uh kind of explain what happened after he takes your phone, turns off the live stream.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Um, takes my ID, um, says you can be arrested for this, and what uh forces me to go move in front of his patrol car, and he goes in and runs my info and finds out I really am a truck driver with Texas with no criminal record. And he probably goes, Well, shit. Um he comes back out of the car and spends five minutes complaining to me about how it's illegal to record, and then starts talking about how he saw a red light and he thought I might have a weapon on me. So now this is all legal for what he's done because I might have had a gun on me or something. And I tell him, Um, Missouri's open carry and not not stopped to ID. So I could have had a rifle in my back, and there's nothing you could have done about it. Yeah, which is at that point when I decided from then then on, um, every cop watch I did, I'd be open carrying. He's pretty much the reason I decided that that's what my channel would be about. Uh he then gives my ID back and tells me to get back to my truck and don't record again. I ask him, are you going to arrest me if I pull my phone out and start recording again? And he says, Yes. I say thank you, wave at his body cam, turn around and go back to my truck. I would have I would have started recording again.

SPEAKER_08 8:56

Well, I I I had a load on my truck. I didn't want to get arrested and get fired. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean, so this question gets asked to just about every 1A audit that we've had on. And and again, guys, I'm I understand he may not have been a 1A auditor per se. I just use the language because it's the same type of behavior. That's all. He's video recording recording the police. That's just a a way that I say somebody's recording the police. I say 1A auditors. They may not be auditors. Matt, were you an auditor at that time? Did you consider yourself that?

SPEAKER_02 9:31

I'd been watching everybody do that for three years, which is how I managed not to screw up my first time. Um, I don't really care that much about the definitions cop watcher, auditor. Yeah, it's the the the purpose behind what you're doing is what matters, not the exact words you pick to try to articulate it.

SPEAKER_08 9:48

Thank you. I like that. Um, Mr. Billfold dropped two bucks in the chat and said Matt has been busy. He and Otto are rocking Texas. So Mr. Billfold is one of our tried and trues. Um, we actually he's he's been a part of us so diehard that we had him on here one day to argue qualified immunity against uh a very popular police lawyer. So it was kind of it was kind of fun watching them go back and forth. But um, okay, so you get I'm sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

Uh maybe one day I can convince CJ to come on here.

SPEAKER_08 10:24

CJ, which one is that?

SPEAKER_02 10:26

CJ Grisham, this guy. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um he's he's the first A2A lawyer we got in Texas. Uh 20 years retired E8 Army Counterintelligence. He's the guy who created Open Carry, Texas, the one who got arrested for doing walking with his kid Boy Scouting. So after getting arrested three times for Open Carry, once he retired, he decided to use his GI Bill to go to law school. And now he's a pretty damn good lawyer.

SPEAKER_08 10:53

Hell yeah. I like it. Yeah. I used my GI Bill to get my master's in criminology and criminal justice because it because I'm a I knew I'd be a cop. So makes sense. I'm not as smart as he is, but I did I did use that GI Bill because I wasn't gonna let it I wasn't gonna let the military take my money. They use us just as much, so I'm gonna use them right back, you know. Um okay.

Lawsuit Timeline And Settlement Reality

SPEAKER_08 11:18

So this becomes a thing. You get arrested. Well, you didn't get arrested, right? But you did sue them. No, detained for 15 minutes. But you did sue them, right? Yes. And you won. They settled for 75,000. How long did that take?

SPEAKER_02 11:33

About a year. Um there was Solomon Radner. It was about six months before it was my turn, and he filed it. And then six months after he filed it, they were ready to start settling.

SPEAKER_08 11:44

Okay. So after you and I'll I'll explain my reasoning why I'm asking you this stuff. So after you do that and you get your 75,000, how much of that cut went actually in your pocket versus some went to the attorney?

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Third for the lawyer.

SPEAKER_08 12:00

A third for the lawyer. Okay. Okay, so 50,000. Now this is where this question's coming from. People get on here all the time and they're like, oh, easy money. Easy money. Oh. True. And I learned that from Long Island. I learned that from San Joaquin. They're like, we've been in litigation on some of their stuff for years, and it still just keeps getting stonewalled and dragged out.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

If he hadn't made that second threat and pretty much doubled the lawsuit, but him saying if I pull my phone out and start recording again from 200 feet away, I'm going to jail, literally doubled the lawsuit, doubled the charges, doubled the number of items on the actual lawsuit, made it completely impossible for them to defend. If he hadn't done that, they probably would have fought. But him doubling down like that, it's just they didn't stand a chance. And Missouri knows when they've lost on something like that. It's not like Texas, where Texas Municipal League has orders to take every cop watcher or auditor trial to try to bankrupt them.

SPEAKER_08 13:05

Yeah. Um, our guy, 936, said HBO Matt, did Conroe take down the 30.6 or 30.7 signs down?

Texas Meeting Carry And Illegal Signs

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Not yet. I haven't given them official AG notice, though, because I've got to get down there during an during an actual meeting to give them effective notice. What are we talking about? So in Texas, about four years ago, the state legislature changed the law, and you can carry into any open government meeting now, city council, school board, all of them, if you got a carry license. Um Texas Municipal League, again, told all the cities to ignore the law. Um so state legislature modified it just a little bit to take away their little gray area they were bullshitting about. And um ever since then, they still haven't complied. So back around Christmas, I decided to make that my project and used Corpus Christi, my hometown, as the first example, and gave them notice. And the Attorney General's office decided it was time to start kicking ass on this stuff and gave Corpus their notice. They took their signs down. Um now San Antonio has done the same. Uh College Station, Waco, a couple of others, uh, some of the local towns around Corpus have. So far, Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, and Houston have not. Um, they're not gonna enjoy that decision. It's a $10,000 a day fine. You don't take the signs down once you've been given notice. Holy shit. That's just the 30.67 law. That's been around since that law came out. If you don't, if you have signs up, you're not allowed to, it's $10,000 a day fine. So now that it applies to things like city council meetings, 90%, 95% of cities had those signs up for their council meetings, and they got to take them down now.

SPEAKER_08 14:49

No shit. Okay. I'm yeah, this is why I'm glad I had you on, man. I like to learn things, I like the education. Um, I'll admit I am in and you've probably I know you've seen a little bit of what I do, but I'm pretty hardcore Second Amendment. Um I think that you know, cops disarming people is a bad thing, um, especially for simplistic things like traffic stops. Uh I've been pretty outspoken about that lately. And I got some pretty cool pro 2A friends. Um, Coley and Noir, uh, been on his podcast two or three times now. Um huge 2A advocate. I love the dude. Um, I still make fun of him because I think he vacillines his forearms to always make him look shiny on camera.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Um I've been trying to get in contact with him to let him know about Dallas City Hall that uh there's a thing he could be covering and helping out with since he's a lawyer on this side of things.

SPEAKER_08 15:46

I can make that connection. I can make that connection. Uh I text with him probably every few weeks.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

A lot of people just don't know you can carry at these meetings yet. And it's it's just in the last couple months, especially last week with San Antonio having to comply and it getting covered on the news, people are starting to find out about it. Dallas actually illegally has banned all weapons from City Hall. They had they were banning knives. Yeah. Yeah, it's a no-no. What the fuck? You can um okay, so the way the statute works out for meetings, they are a prohibited place, but now there's an exception for handguns concealed or open if you have a license. So all the other stuff still applies, like you can't bring a sword in, but you can bring a pocket knife. But we've still got a whole lot of government buildings out there that are just posting no weapons at all signage. You can't ban a sword in City Hall. You can ban a sword in the council meeting at City Hall. That's it. Well, I just say that's that's where the line's drawn, right? So when Dallas is saying you can't you have to take your pocket knife back to the car to go pay your water bill, they're not allowed to do that.

SPEAKER_08 17:00

Uh okay. Damn. Man, the and I tell you what, with these ray ban Ray-Ban Metaglasses and all that stuff being out, you watch. This is going to be even do you

Social Platforms Policing Gun Content

SPEAKER_08 17:10

have a pair, by the way?

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Not yet.

SPEAKER_08 17:12

Bro, you gotta get a set.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

I don't have one yet. I I body cam every time I'm out doing this stuff.

SPEAKER_08 17:17

Yeah, but that one would be you could be like undercover.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

I but I'm also usually carrying a silenced beretta. Oh, okay. So I'm not too I'm not too undercover. Oh, that's that's what I usually carry is uh M9A4 with a CGS can on it.

SPEAKER_08 17:33

Uh come on now. It's a good silencer host. You gotta get a you gotta get a staccato. Come on, man. It's a good silencer host. Fair enough. Fair enough. Um I'm you're gonna make fun of me. I'm a Glock guy. I like Glocks till I die. I would show mine. I would show mine right now, the one that I got in front of me, but I've learned that you can't do that on lives. Yeah, uh well, not once you're popular. If you're if you're if you're a nobody, you get away with it, but once you're popular, we I'm telling you, we were not popular. Like I'd shown it at the last like two minutes. I was like, and we're talking about um the compensator on the end, like for the flash and all that stuff. Um, I have a comp on mine, and we were just trying to talk about what a comp does, how it keeps the firearm level. And so I was like, I'm I was like, here, I'll just show you. And so I pulled it up real quick. I was like, see, this is a comp, this is what it does. And that was it. Short, sweet. It was at the last two minutes of the freaking live, and we got we got a strike, we got taken off for a week. Uh, and I had no idea why. It's like, what the fuck did we do?

SPEAKER_02 18:39

Uh a lot of times when we're doing more active open carry texts stuff, our live streams would get killed because everybody's got rifles. That's crazy. Yeah, for reason. But yeah, I figured for the first time a lot of these council meetings, they can't handle something that um fun. So I'm usually just a Colt M45A1 instead of uh instead of bringing the big beretta, just so they can think I'm a little it looks it looks better on TV.

SPEAKER_08 19:03

True, true, yeah. You get the Pearl Grip, Pearl Grip 1911 in there. Everybody think you're a good old boy, they'll love it. Um so Ariel dropped five bucks in the super chat. He said, I wish the 2A was just a clear as clear as the First Amendment, but it's not and won't be for a long time. See, that's where I kind of disagree. I feel like it is pretty clear. I I feel like it's pretty clear. They just don't want it to be. I think people try to conflate it and make it into something that they want it to be versus what it actually is. And what it actually is was made to keep your government in check. That's was the whole point because they had nothing against the king. They couldn't, they weren't allowed to be armed, they weren't allowed to do a lot of stuff. So they said, Well, how do we keep our government in check? They're like, let's make the Second Amendment. All right, cool. What did we do? Well, back then we had a well-regulated militia because we'd stand up and fight a motherfucker if they overstepped. And that's what they were saying. They're like, Well, if they can have guns, we can have guns. If they can have a cannon, we can have a cannon. It's basically just saying that we need to be able to have the same things that the government has so we can keep them in check and realize that the people are the power. We the people. That's the whole point, guys. I mean, that's how I see it, Matt. Is that how you see it?

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Yeah, there's still a lot of guys waiting to get their letters of mark.

SPEAKER_08 20:18

Exactly. Exactly. You know, the Third Amendment, I I I don't know that that will ever happen, but you never know.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

There's pirates out there, and we gotta go get those pirates. Give me a letter of mark.

SPEAKER_08 20:32

Right?

SPEAKER_02 20:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 20:34

Oh, Wade said it's not clear, it's infringed on.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Yeah, exactly. It's very clear how it's being infringed on.

SPEAKER_08 20:42

Yeah. Uh Andy is referring to the clarity instead of recognizing the repercussions of we the people exercising it. Absolutely. Ariel said, 2A, he dropped two bucks in the super chat. Thank you. Uh he said, 2A almost doesn't exist in California. Which, yeah, I I I agree with you. That's why I would never go there. Like, I have no desire. I have one really good friend in California I want to visit, but that is one of the things that's holding me back from even wanting to go out there.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

I really don't want to do cop watching. I call them slave states because that's you

Traffic Stops Guns And Duty To Disclose

SPEAKER_02 21:20

you you're you're in chains if you can't carry. But the only way you can convince me to do it in California would be if I'm doing the taser carry. Because that is that is legal over there. But you're gonna get arrested. Every guy who's done it's been arrested doing it. They just got let go afterwards.

SPEAKER_08 21:34

Yeah. I and it's it's crazy because we've you know we've had the discussion on here, and and some of the California cops that I'm friends with, they're they don't agree with me. When I tell them that I would never I don't think we should be disarming people on basic traffic stops. Alan, what what was your policy on that?

SPEAKER_05 21:53

I completely agree with you. When I went to work for the agency, I'm at um, you know, if they ran across a gun. They would automatically check the serial number. And I was like, guys, you can't do that. Like, I mean, we had that conversation. I'm like, they have the right to carry that gun just like, you know, I I figure every vehicle we pull over in Texas has got a gun in it. And so, you know, it's no different than the vehicle that I'm driving. You know, they have the right to carry that gun just like I do. And, you know, you just have to be more vigilant. And um honestly, most of the people that you're um that are carrying or choose to carry generally know how to use that thing. So, you know, I feel a lot more safe with them than um the people that are scared of guns. So yeah.

SPEAKER_08 22:43

And um, I kind of made a point recently, Matt, that I feel like police, when they do this, they are they are harming, I don't I don't know the right word for it. They're they're jeopardizing lawful honesty. That's the best way I can put it. They're jeopardizing lawful honesty to the point where just like motorcycle riders, this is a weird analogy, so stick with me, or weird correlation. Motorcycle riders, you'll see some of these videos where they're like, Well, fuck, next time I won't stop. Because they pull them over for a basic stop, and the cop thinks they're gonna run just because it's a motorcycle, and they don't. And they pull over and like, turn the bike off, throw your key on the ground, and they come over and they're like, they're they're rough with them, and they're like, Well, fuck, next time I won't stop. And I get it. Like, now you're punishing that person for having lawful honesty and doing what was right, and it's the same thing when it comes to the firearm. You're you're taking advantage of somebody saying, Hey, I'm armed, I've got a gun on my right hip. Okay, I like the term, you don't touch yours, I won't touch mine. Fair? Cool.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

I I think duty to disclose is bullshit because the Fifth Amendment. So if you you you can be charged with not disclosing your armed if you've legally got your firearm, but if you're a felon, you've got a Fifth Amendment right not to tell them about it. So you can't be charged with it if you've got the gun illegally and don't tell them about it.

SPEAKER_08 24:09

That's an interesting point. I never thought of that.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Yeah, that is an example. It's the same thing registered with the registration. If you've if you're illegal, if you don't register your gun in Chicago or whatever in New York, yeah, um, you go to jail. But if you're a felon and don't register your gun, it'd be a Fifth Amendment violation to force you to admit you have the gun, so they can't charge you with it. That's that's multiple cases on that already.

SPEAKER_08 24:33

Dang. I give a shout out to our mods. We got Marine Blood in the house, one of our very hardworking mods. Um, I thought I saw Nat in there too, but if I missed any of our other mods, thanks for being on, guys. Don't give them a hard time, people, because they make all of this possible. Um, yeah, I never heard it put that way. I never thought about that. That the the that's what they mean when they say the criminals have more rights. Yep. Um, yeah. I I have never I have had people not disclosed and I could see it, and I'll call, you know, as a cop and just be like, hey man, I see that you're armed. And and then they're up front about it. Oh, yeah, I got a gun right here. I'm like, all right, cool. I'm like, you just don't touch yours, I won't touch mine. We good? And we're good. It's really not that hard, but people that's okay, we'll use New York. They're not used to people being able to just have guns. And I can understand why they're so paranoid of the fact that people can just lawfully be armed when when I talk about it as a Texas cop. They because they lose their fucking mind when I talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

But they think fun open carrying down in Florida. I I've already I've done it once now. Um, most of the cops were okay with it, some of them panicked. But um, it's I I'm looking forward to the day of going down and doing some open carry down in Miami or something.

SPEAKER_08 25:49

Because they're all over the place, aren't they? Some places it's just normal to have a gun, and then some places it's not at all. Because I know that that's why we want to normalize it.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

That we want to make it normal everywhere.

SPEAKER_08 26:00

I watched the two-A fisherman. He's always he's always you know him by a fresh fucking name, of course. I love his stuff too, because he I'm a fisherman, I love that. So um, I actually made, and I'm gonna get on my community a little bit. I asked for videos of cops harassing or dealing with people fishing, and I didn't really get any feedback. So people must not be interested in that. I'm interested in it because I see all the time somebody fishing a pond or doing something, and and either a Karen, a male Karen, or the cops will come up and harass these guys for fishing, and I'm like, it's it's water, they they have a right to the waterway. Like, you can't prevent that, and at least in most places I know of, unless it's private water, um, which is very rare.

SPEAKER_05 26:46

Yeah, that's a whole different subject line of you know, we're sitting here talking about the Second Amendment and how that's twisted, but waterway is a whole nother one where it's like you have the right to travel that waterway just like anybody else, and you know, you can't own that thoroughfare unless you know it's some kind of special private property, you know, private land.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Navigable Waters Act gets into a whole twisty lot of fun stuff.

SPEAKER_05 27:13

It does, it does, and people just don't, you know. I've been a boater my entire life, and it's amazing how many people blow you know, it's just like the second amendment and how that's twisted, and we want to make all these special rules. And it's like, no, we have rights,

Waterway Rights And Open Fields Doctrine

SPEAKER_05 27:30

you you you can't do that, and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

Yeah, and the opposite side of that would be we need to crush the open field doctrine.

SPEAKER_08 27:38

Yeah. Um, I'm sorry, this this this caught my attention. Red Star Reggae, he wanted some attention. So um, I don't understand why you'd have sex with pigs. That's weird. Um, but in this case, sir, if uh by pigs you mean cops, all I ask is if you're gonna say that, like take me out to dinner first, I'm not that type of lady. Uh, you're not gonna get me on the first date. Um, so and then yes, I am a bastard because my parents never got married. So you were right. Um, although Red Star Rega, I do encourage you to stick around and realize that maybe not all of us are bastards, and maybe some of us are actually here trying to help fix the bastards. Um that's what that's what we're trying to do. But uh, I cannot dwell too hard on that. Um they're coming in growth groups now. Two pigs, one cup. That's actually pretty funny. Uh t-shirt idea.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

Yeah, our crispy told me I need to talk about that. Oh, the the name? Rights Crispy. Yeah. He's like, oh no, bring that up. They they they they still say it's not from that. It's not.

SPEAKER_08 28:47

You I'll tell you where the name came from. I'll tell you where the name came from. The name came from. I am a military cop because I'm still in the Air Force, I'm security forces, and I'm a civilian citizen cop, uh, citizen cop, city cop, um, and at a municipality. So I am two cops, one donut. Now, by the third episode, some other cops came up to me like, oh bro, that's funny. Like two girls, one cop. And I'm like, oh fuck. I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Uh fan was saying it's something like the two bears one something.

SPEAKER_08 29:21

Yes. So that's where I got the name from because I love Burt Kreisher and Tom Segura. And I they made theirs two bears, one cave, which made sense. Two big burly hairy comedians in their man cave. That made sense to me. So I was like, I'll do the same thing. Self-deprecating, donuts, cops, two cops, one donut. Too easy. I literally thought about it for about three seconds, and I was like, that's the name. That'll work.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Well, crispy's marine, so he's used to doing dirty jokes.

SPEAKER_08 29:50

So yeah, that's uh that's that's what it came from. Oh, Matt is why is Matt not on here with us, you asshole. He said, We love freedom, leave us alone. Detective Matt Thornton, guys. Uh, why he's not on here with us is a mystery to me. If he can get in the chat, you son of a bitch. Um Matt is Matt is my top cop. Uh Marine Blood said 100%, Matt Thornton. Love it, love it. Um, by the way, Matt, if you have not been on with Matt Thornton, um, I will get you guys connected as well. Another great great cat for you to be uh buds with.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

I've been around a while, so I know I know probably about a half the OG cop watchers.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

I um let me just say that that that that payout I got from Peavely, about six thousand dollars worth of it, went to giving out flashlights to cop watchers. I've got a VIP account with a light now.

SPEAKER_08 30:50

Really?

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Oh yeah, I get free. I get free engraving for life because I bought so much scrap from them to give out to everybody.

SPEAKER_08 30:56

He goes, I have a house full of kids right now. Yeah, it makes it what you don't know is Matt is about to retire. He's retiring in July. Um and the dude is all about his nonprofit um helping out troubled juveniles um in his community. Um, I think it's called our father's house or something like that. Matt, put it in the chat. I don't want to butcher it, but um really good program that he's with. And then he's got a whole mess of kids himself. So the dude's constantly on the run, dealing, taking kids back and forth and trying to keep them off the street. Uh so he's got a real cool story. He's but he's he's got all these kids he saved, but he's got quite a few that, you know, because of the he's in the Chicagoland area and kids that have died that have been on his program and stuff through gang activity and whatnot. So uh he does a really good job. But anyway, Matt, I want to get back to

Why Matt Started Cop Watching

SPEAKER_08 31:52

you. Um I want to talk about okay, so this incident obviously is that what lit the fire?

SPEAKER_10 31:59

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_08 32:00

He's like, oh fuck yeah, it's not even a not even a guess.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

Uh um the day after I got that body cam, I was down at James Freeman's house showing it to him, and he posted it like the next day. And then it blew up on Facebook. So probably about a million and a half views between all the people that posted it.

SPEAKER_08 32:17

Oh my god, really? So your boys with James Freeman too. Yep. Motherfucker. Okay, we gotta get I'm gonna network through you. So just gonna happen, sir. Um, that's awesome because I want to get him on here now, too. Uh okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

He kind of retired, so I don't know if that's gonna happen. Uh yeah. Uh with all the with the stuff that's going on over at him personally right now, I don't know if he's coming back or not, but he uh he retired. Uh a couple felony charges running from the cops. Oh, okay. It's a whole it's a whole thing going on over there. Never mind. He just yeah, yeah. He uh just got uh he just got out of jail Thursday. Okay, paid the bond. But he he he uh killed his channel about four months ago. So I don't I don't know if he's ever coming back or not once this is all done.

SPEAKER_08 33:02

I didn't know any of that, so I'm glad you told me. Thank you. Yeah, sorry for bringing it up, y'all. Um okay, so you get it out there, you get all these views, and what I like you said, it was your first time doing this. So what I try to get people people think that they think that every cop watcher, I'm gonna start using that term by the way. I didn't I never thought of it that way. So I'm gonna start saying cop watcher. Every cop watcher that goes out there, they think that your job and what you're trying to do is go out and person personally just fuck with people to get them to react. And and I've watched your stuff, so I'm that's why I had you on here. Because I your style is to me is is normal. Like you're not you're not like the people's guy, Eli. I I I can't stand the way he does his stuff. He's just an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Um there's a lot of guys that are.

SPEAKER_08 33:56

Yeah, I just it's not me. I can't purposely be mean to people. I'm I'm a very optimistic, happy guy. So when I see people go out and intentionally just try to be a dick, I'm like, it doesn't resonate with me at all. Um, that's why I like Long Island audit, that's why I like sandwalking. Like, they're not a dick until you're dick to them.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

And I I helped Sean get started, giving him some advice way back when me and uh Philip Turner, when he was first getting started.

SPEAKER_08 34:22

Yeah, and I think he does it very respectfully now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so and it's a learning curve. So for you, that's kind of what I'm getting at. When you first started, what was your intent? What did you want to do? How did you want to do it?

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Um, I'd been watching everybody else do it for a couple years, got interested. I'm a constitutional conservative as my base. I really got interested when Border Patrol started arresting people for not wanting to talk to them at checkpoints and arresting that professor out of the McDonald uh observatory out in West Texas. That's where I got started watching all this stuff was watching Border Patrol tase people for not wanting to answer questions at a checkpoint. So it it it came out from there where it's just got into the civil rights side of thing. I give a damn about the Constitution. And like I said, when I recorded the cop in Peavely, that was just happenstance. I had just shut down and I saw a cop pull somebody over, and I was like, I'm gonna record for the first time. I'm gonna do it live on YouTube just in case because I'm by myself and I don't have any backup equipment, no witness the first time doing it. Yeah, no witnesses. Um, and it just went from there. And then when he came up with the bullshit saying, I might have had a gun and I was pointing a laser at him or something, I'm like, well, hell, I'm just gonna go ahead and open carry every time I record one of you guys and short circuit that right off the bat.

SPEAKER_08 35:44

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. And so it's gotta be kind of difficult for you as a truck driver going state to state and having to deal with the different laws in each state you gotta go to.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Well, yeah, it's some some laws. Some yeah. Uh I mean uh you you you just you just don't uh flaunt anything and don't do anything stupid. Right. You you know that almost every truck driver out there's got something on them because we don't want to be the next guy at an LA riot pulled out of their truck or the next trucker at a uh rest stop in Montana that's murdered for a gang initiation.

SPEAKER_08 36:21

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um how long have you been truck driving?

SPEAKER_02 36:26

16 years now.

SPEAKER_08 36:27

Okay. Now do you got like a sleeper bed, all that good stuff?

SPEAKER_02 36:32

Oh yeah, full truck.

SPEAKER_08 36:33

Okay, yeah, I was gonna say for so people uh I had an uncle that was a truck driver, so I learned a lot about it when I was a kid. And um fucking bug just bit my leg. I was like, what is that? I got a handful of blood. Something bit me pretty good. Um, I've been having a rough go today. The video I put out, I stepped in dog shit while I was recording. Yeah. I left it on the video too. After I edited it, I was like, I'm gonna leave it. People need to know the struggle. That's lucky over in Asia. Is it? I think so. I think so. We're just throwing shit out there. I love it. Um, okay. So the point I'm getting at is one, your truck is your home. That's uh it's not just a second office, it is an actual dwelling. So how does that work when you're getting pulled over sometimes? Like, is that an argument to be made?

SPEAKER_02 37:27

Yes. Um, roughly if you've got the curtains pulled on the back, they're not allowed to look in the back. But it's different. If if we're talking about way station DOT stops, that's administrative. They don't have a lawful authority to go searching all over your truck without finding something first. Um, so they can look in the front because they need to check your gauges and stuff during the inspection. But rooting around in the back and looking through stuff and opening stuff up, they can't do that unless you've gotten pulled over for something else, like drunk driving. Well, then you're going to jail and your stuff's getting impounded. So whatever you got in there is coming out. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_08 38:08

We we've had so we've had Second Amendment auditors, um, which is kind of a that's the first time I ever heard auditors was with two with two A guys.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

I would say my my difference in the definitions would be cop watchers are guys who are going out there looking for incidents and testing the recording out in public normally. Auditors are the guys that are going into places or into doing things to check the response. So when I'm going into a city hall, I'm considering that one to be an audit. When I'm out on the street following what's on the scanner, I consider that cop watching.

SPEAKER_08 38:45

Gotcha. Okay. So I I've run into them on duty and no no issues. We we had zero issues. We didn't even make contact. I'm like, I I looked from a distance, I'm like, it's a long rifle. What the fuck do I care? Like at the time, that was the you know, you could you could do that. They weren't they weren't like you know conceal carrying pistols or anything and trying to like brandish them or any of the weird little rules that people will try to use to get cops' attention.

Truck Cab Privacy And DOT Inspections

SPEAKER_08 39:16

Um, it was just long rifles. It was old school, what I consider old school 2A carry.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

And so a lot of those guys don't think of themselves as otters, they just open carry.

SPEAKER_08 39:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

I I the only the only place I don't open carry in Texas is when I'm shopping at H E B. That's pretty much it. Why that one?

SPEAKER_08 39:34

Why why that one?

SPEAKER_02 39:35

Well, they got they got the odd seven signs posted. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 39:38

Okay. Dang, we just talked about H E V too. That's weird. That's your that's your favorite.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

They don't they don't like guns, but they know if they banned concealed carry, they'd lose like a third of their customers. So they just don't allow they they'd um they just don't allow open carry.

SPEAKER_08 39:53

Okay. Now, okay, Matt, let's have a personal discussion. I think I think open carry's stupid. I think you're dumb if you open carry. The only time I think the only time I think you should open carry is if you're out hunting on a trail, uh, on your ranch, uh in a combat zone. Uh that's when I think because time is the essence. You shit can go down at the drop of a hat. Like it makes sense to open carry in those positions, and you don't have a lot of people around you. But when I get into a city environment, I don't want anybody to know I got a gun. I want them guessing if I have one, but I don't want them knowing. I can't I would prefer people conceal carry. What's your thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Um, the constitution says get fucked. It does. Yeah. No, but no, yeah, no, I was saying that's that's the um the the baseline we start from. It doesn't matter what your opinion is on it. But as far as arguing it out pros and cons, for me, uh it's a it's an activism thing. If you you got to normalize, like we were talking about earlier, you got to normalize firearms and carry. So if everybody can steal carries, you can still lose those rights. If nobody ever long uh carries a long rifle anywhere, you're going to lose that right. You practically have in most of the country. Uh, I don't know how we're gonna go in front of the Supreme Court can argue, but well, they can't. There's a reason the Supreme Court's never taken an open carry case, because the only thing they can rule is that long arms can only be open carried. So in all 50 states and all public places, you can carry a rifle because that's the only way you can comply with the Constitution. It's why they won't take that case because they either have to rule that way or destroy the Second Amendment.

SPEAKER_08 41:34

Yeah. Now but that I'm I guess I I should have phrased it before. I don't mean constitutionally.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

I I'm with you. They don't be any of the things that you're gonna do. No, on the opinion side, yeah, it's it's kind of hard for fat guys to conceal carry big guns. All right, fair enough.

SPEAKER_08 41:50

I get it.

SPEAKER_02 41:52

Yeah, so unless you're living up north and wearing an overcoat, yeah, it's something that's got enough rounds in it and enough power to it's a pain to conceal carry. Okay, and also worthy concealed carry guns that can do the job that needs to be done are pretty new. I mean, we've only had Slimline 9s for what, 10 years, 15 years at the most, yeah, that were actually reliable and still had enough rounds in them to be worth concealed carrying. So it it's a pretty new innovation being able to conceal carry a handgun. That's why you go back 150 years, open carry was the normal thing because conceal carrying a flint lock, you can only do that if you're wearing an overcoat. True.

SPEAKER_08 42:42

True. Yeah, okay. All right, I'm gonna play a little detective game that I use uh in investigation stuff, okay? And I'm not I'm not doing this to to trick you,

Open Carry Activism Versus Concealed

SPEAKER_08 42:52

but I'm using this to get your true feelings on something, okay? All right, what's your favorite color? Green. Okay. I don't want you to think about these. I just want you to go off the cup, okay? What's your favorite state? Texas. Okay. Winter states or a cold state, or winter states or summer states.

SPEAKER_02 43:11

In between, actually, is my preference.

SPEAKER_08 43:13

Okay. Hiking or skiing?

SPEAKER_02 43:17

Hiking.

SPEAKER_08 43:18

Okay. Nine mil or 45.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

Both.

SPEAKER_08 43:23

Oh, damn it. I was trying to get them. All right. Nine mil for me. I'm a nine mil guy. I just want to see what you like. I like both.

SPEAKER_09 43:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

I told you the um the bread is the nine mil that I carry when I'm doing the silencer. And the rest of the time I've got my Colt on me just for it's my barbecue gun. So for style, I go with the barbecue gun in 1911. If I'm going for showing off activism side of things, I go with the nine mil with a can on it. The scary looking gun. Oh god. That's the only time I've had felony charges was some crazy lady saying the ninja assassin's here to come kill her. Neighbor for an insurance claim scheme. You got felony charges? Oh, you never looked at the Livingston stuff? No. Oh, yeah. They um they charged us with felony organized crime for recording the police. Four of us. How funny did that go? Yeah. Um, judge quashed it. They forgot that organized crime is an enhancer and not an original.

SPEAKER_08 44:24

Yes, that's very true.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

So they brought the charges back and indict us again with felony assault on a peace officer as the base charge. Uh because we scared them to death with our cameras. We they thought they were under a terrorist attack. They probably had assault cameras. Yeah, yeah, no, that's what they argued. And then the judge quashed the indictment again. But yeah, that was uh $100,000 bonds on us. Uh my friend spent a month in jail on that. The lawsuit's still going on it. This happened uh three years ago in Livingston.

SPEAKER_08 44:56

Okay, let that be a lesson to all of you guys that think you have the balls to do this stuff. You have to be committed.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

And the first go-around, the judge ruled uh on the qualified immunity saying that we got what we deserved. So it doesn't matter that the cops conspired and admitted to all this, all these crimes and falsely charging us with all this stuff because we got what we deserved. The district judge federal.

SPEAKER_08 45:24

What the f but he's the one that let you guys go?

SPEAKER_02 45:27

No, no, no, no, for the lawsuit, not the criminal side of things. The criminal judge did a damn good job. They had a municipal, they had their municipal judge, their or sorry, their magistrate, just sign off on all this bullshit. That was immediately as soon as it saw a real judge was killed. But that took a month for that judge to see that and start killing it. Um, but yeah, on the civil side, we're probably gonna be appealing the Fifth Circuit.

SPEAKER_08 45:52

Damn. Um, Oklahoma Audits is uh oh, sorry, Oklahoma Outlaw Audits is saying what's up, HBO Meth.

SPEAKER_02 45:59

Um they also charged all of us with false 911 because the way the day started was I walked into the friend's house over there with that beretta on my side, and crazy meth head neighbor lady called the cop saying that I'm not kidding. The 911 calls, she's just he's an ass hired assassin here to kill her. She sent her kids away for the weekend, I know, and she's probably gonna have him kill her so they can claim insurance to so her kids can live okay after she's gone. Nuts. What? And when the cops showed up ten deep, we told them to kick rocks. They told us, they told me they're gonna tow my car and just anything they could think of to try to get me to step outside so they could mess with me and ID me. Yeah, we told them to leave. And um then later that night we go out cop watching and they pull us over, and we tell them to kick rocks again. They start going fail to ID, we're gonna arrest you, and then change their minds.

SPEAKER_08 46:59

Failed ID is after you've been arrested.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

Yeah, they uh that video went

Livingston Felony Charges As Retaliation

SPEAKER_02 47:04

viral. So um, like the the police chief got to watch all the backlash from the video going viral overnight and uh ordered his cops to file charges against us for whatever we could think of. And that's what they came up with was they charged uh charged me with swatting myself. Literally in the charges, it says he expected a police response by open carrying. So that's that's swatting myself. That's in that's trying to cause a 911 response. In Texas, the cops said merely open carrying was intended to induce an illegal response, so I swatted myself. Wow. That's incredible. And then the second go around, the assault on a peace officer is we made them fear for their lives by driving around the police station recording. Yeah, I at deposition, the cop who did the um detention and started all this crap, um said that uh he saw we had Laredo plates. He ran the plates on the car and it was from Laredo because this is the guy I was rolling with, but he's from Laredo. He said um he thought we were a cartel hit squad there to murder him because he used to do drug, he used to do drug work 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_08 48:21

Oh my god. Yeah, you know what bothers me, you know what bothers me, Matt? Let me cut you off real quick. You know what bothers me about this at from a cop perspective? I know all of the stuff that's going through my head in the background of like, so when they pulled you over after going to the house and trying to get you to come outside, had I been on your defense team, I would have been like, you need to subpoena their cell phones because I guarantee they were texting back and forth of how they were going to get you later.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Well, no, the what they in the the 911 charge, they substantiated it by saying we were recording when they knocked on the door. So that's how we had it. We knew they knew we had it all planned out. That when 10 cops pull out outside and we see them through the windows, when they knock on the door and we open it, we had cameras going. That was the proof that we were trying to induce a response.

SPEAKER_08 49:14

No, no, no. I get that, but I'm saying when they pulled you over, like there's things going through my head where I'm just like as a cop, you know, sitting here thinking of the ways that they got you. I'm like, well, your attorney may not necessarily have thought of some of this stuff, but like I know when we've been looking for targets, like normally be like, hey, I swung by such and such houses earlier. They weren't, I didn't see any cars on the driveway. Like, we'll go look for them again later on tonight. Like those text messages going back and forth. And if that's happening while they're on duty, guess what? Now your phone is subject to being subpoenaed.

unknown 49:46

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 49:47

So oh, we've got a recorded call between the police chiefs, that town and the other town we were dealing with where they conspired to um he was so happy he got felony charges because it was gonna take our guns away. And I'm not gonna have these people open carrying near my police officers. Yeah, we got that recorded.

SPEAKER_08 50:06

What the fuck? I can I can only imagine, like assuming you had a good judge, I can just see the judge's face.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

Like he ignored everything. In the Fifth Circuit, especially in Texas, district judges will lie on the stand, lie in their reports to protect cops. It's happened to plenty of us. They they'll ignore the reports, they will ignore deposition testimony where the officers admit to criminal conspiracy of rights straight up.

SPEAKER_08 50:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

And they'll ignore that, just not even include it in their arguments, act like it never happened and they never saw it. Jesus. Okay.

unknown 50:41

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

We it's it's it's uh it's a hard climb here in Texas. Let me, okay, let me let me uh the fun fun thing was during the deposition, so my lawyer asked the guy, uh, he plays the body cam and the dash cam of them walking up to our car. He's like, okay, so you thought these were cartel hitmen out there to murder you, and you were positioning yourself and pulled over in the exact same spot in case there was a gun there was a gunfight and you didn't want to have anybody in the background. So why did you immediately walk up to the car without backup and place your gun hand on the roof of the car and lean in and start talking all nice when you were expecting an imminent gunfight? That's from the judge? No, that's from my lawyer during deposition. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_09 51:22

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

Yeah. That's exactly he's talking about he's he's thinking he's go walking into a death funnel, uh one fatal funnel. Right. And the first thing he does walking up to the car is not have his hand near his gun. He immediately just puts his hand up on top of the roof and leans in and starts chatting.

SPEAKER_08 51:38

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 51:39

Yeah, totally in fear for his life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:42

Um, well, did he have body camera on too? Like so he could record, and it's not you know a concern for your safety, but it's a concern for their safety if you're recording.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

Well, no, for us uh on the recording, that's how they got organized crime. We're making money on YouTube, so getting a reaction from police is organized crime because we're recording police to get a reaction to make money, so it's organized.

SPEAKER_05 52:07

They were organized together and videoing all of it.

SPEAKER_08 52:12

That's insane. It's why the charges got quashed. You didn't even call on yourself. Like no, no, no, no, no. All of this stuff, like I could see, okay. Well, did you call on yourself? Like, like because I that's a that's I've seen auditors do that.

SPEAKER_02 52:27

When uh we went in for bail reduction for the two that were still in jail. The assistant DA came to the bail hearing and said I was walking around the neighborhood waving an AR-15 around to try to convince the judge that he shouldn't reduce the bond on the other two people.

unknown 52:45

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_09 52:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

All I did was get some grocer some uh groceries out the back of my car trunk and walk walk out, walk back inside. That's all I did. And the assistant VA assistant DA's long? No, it was it was the beretta. So it was not so no the assistant DA during their bond reduction hearing told the judge that I was walking around the neighborhood waving an AR-15 at people. Oh to try to keep to say, well, they knew and planned all this, and

Qualified Immunity And Court Incentives

SPEAKER_02 53:17

it's his fault and they should have known better, so that's why they should keep this hundred thousand dollar bond because it was all planned out. Because he was he was we went out there waving an AR-15 around.

SPEAKER_08 53:26

I would just love to see your lawyer. So you mean to tell me my steadily employed, zero criminal background, known to a auditor client, decided to go rogue and just fucking throw his gun around and throw it all to the wayside. You tell me that's what he did?

SPEAKER_02 53:46

We never got to argue that on the civil side because the judges just threw it out saying uh we were looking for trouble and we got what we deserved. And you will speak.

SPEAKER_08 53:54

You have no recourse to that.

SPEAKER_02 53:55

Oh no, no, no, we gotta appeal it. I was saying for for most for most district judges in Texas, that's what you get.

SPEAKER_08 54:01

That's the first whenever stop, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:03

That 90% of the time when you're dealing with some first, second amendment auditor, cop watcher, anything like that, that's what we get in Texas now 90% of the time at the district level.

SPEAKER_08 54:13

Now, is this small city stuff or is this like a large city?

SPEAKER_02 54:16

Yeah. Uh Livingston, mid-city, Corgan's small, but Livingston is the county seat for the county, but we're still talking like 10,000, 15,000 people, not more, not city.

SPEAKER_08 54:30

Yeah, so it's pretty pretty small. Um, so I was curious. Now, Matt, part of what I like to do here is I I like to try to at least think that I can help improve policing because obviously we have problems. Um I think we do a lot of good stuff. I think there's a lot of cool stuff. I I share good stuff all the time with cops out there doing good work. But what I've learned, especially doing this podcast, is that we fuck up all the time. I mean, way more than what you guys uh what what we're taught as cops that we that we fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

I I still see a cop video every month in Texas where they don't remember 3802.

SPEAKER_08 55:09

So I would love to know from your perspective, and you've been doing this for six years, seven years? Peavy was 2019. Okay, so you've been doing this a minute. Um in your research, you know, you like you you were smart. You did some research for like three years before you decided to pick up the camera.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

You pretty much the best thing you can do is watch what everybody does does wrong so you know what not to do.

SPEAKER_08 55:31

Yeah. Uh what's crazy is you can watch people do the perfect thing and they still get jacked up. Um that too, yeah. Yeah. We watched, we did watch. Um, oh sorry, Mr. Billful got a comment up there. I sent him some of this Matt stuff back when he was arrested, when the arrest happened, but Matt was not speaking publicly about it. All those Texas issues Matt and our guy are talking about were going on. Gotcha. Um so the the um damn it, I clicked it again. Uh the point that I'm getting to is uh like we watched a kid go into um a post office and he absolutely it was like his first audit and he just just just murdered it, like in a good way, guys.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

Um I know the video you're talking about, I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_08 56:20

Yeah, and I I think that was in Texas, if I can remember correctly, but he did perfect and he got jacked with so um you can do you can do it all right and still still get messed with. And we we all pitched a fit on here because we watched it on the live stream and we're we were irritated.

SPEAKER_02 56:37

If you're a FPC member, you can carry in the post office now in Texas.

SPEAKER_08 56:42

Um so uh the point I'm getting to, Matt, in your stream of doing all of this, where where are cops screwing up the most, like training wise, what do you think where do you think they need to fix this issue at? How how far back?

SPEAKER_02 57:01

No, um, well, one, it's not something for them to fix, it's for us, it's get rid of qualified immunity effectively. Okay, because there's no responsibility. So no matter what you do on the training side, if people aren't being held accountable, there's no incentive for them to pay attention to it. So you have to give an incentive to learn in the first place. So, but that's like I said, that's not on you guys' side, that's on our guys' side to force the issue on that. So, should you have to deal with a lawsuit every time you do a lawful act? No. But should uh ignorance of the law be an excuse for cops anymore? Uh so I don't think that's that's a thing anymore.

SPEAKER_05 57:41

Well, that's where I'll I'll argue and say we lose qualified immunity the second that we screw up, you know, uh and and that's where on the headspace of lots of law enforcement would not be doing the job if we're you know, I I can't jeopardize my family's future because um something happens and we're acting within the law and we get sued and we lose everything. I I don't think that's fair to my family, but on the case.

SPEAKER_02 58:15

It doesn't ever happen though, because you get indemnified by the city and 99% of the time.

SPEAKER_05 58:20

Yeah, well, I will also tell you though, you know, if you go and screw up, that you know lots of these officers don't have um legal representation, things like that, because they feel like the city is going to support them, things like that. But if you screw up, the city will drop you in a heartbeat. Like they will, you know, it just depends on where you're at. And so correct, correct. And I'm saying if you do it wrong, they're not they don't they're not gonna have your back, you know. But if you're intentionally doing it wrong, that's what I'm saying is the officers that are out there doing bad things, I think it's no different than people that are out there doing no bad things. You know, you're you have people that are bad postmasters, you have people that are bad cops, you have people that are bad engineers, you know, but the majority, I think people try to do good. And you know, the the that's where I go with qualified immunity is you know, I I feel like we should support those that are fighting for our freedoms and and they're to be there for us on our worst days. Now, does that mean they get a get out of jail free card? Absolutely not. They they should be held accountable, they should have to do the right thing, those type of things. And so somewhere in that I feel like we have to meet in the middle.

SPEAKER_08 59:42

I but I'm gonna I'm gonna push back against you, Alan, um, because I kind of see what Matt's saying about the indemnification is these people lose their qualified immunity in the moment that it doesn't

Dallas City Hall Signage And Preemption

SPEAKER_08 59:54

show that it it's related to any prior law, they nothing happens because these judges won't they keep the qualified immunity, yeah, they and they and they won't create new law. And so I think I kind of understand where Matt's coming from, where he says it's on their side because these fucking courts are not holding the cops that do need to be held accountable, they're not holding them accountable because they don't want to make a ruling, they don't want to make precedence for the Supreme Court to finally rule that you didn't need a preceding case to take away qualified immunity.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:27

Took a guy being tortured to death in his jail cell, covered in shit, and cold iceboxed and starved and not checked on for like four days straight. It took that much for them to do the first time saying, okay, if you commit a war crime, you don't have to have a precedential case to take away qualified immunity. That's just ridiculous.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:50

And and and that's where I'm with you. And this I'm kind of in the middle. I'm I'm qualified immunity is fucked up and it needs to be fixed. Correct. Um, but I do think if you get rid of it completely, then we're gonna have trouble getting qualified.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

I don't think it's a hard job to draw a bright line between honest mistakes and willful ignorance and purposeful acts. It's not that hard to draw a common sense line that you can throw in front of a jury and they can say it's on this side of the line, it's that on this line of the line. We're nowhere near that right now. Nowhere near that.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:25

Right. I agree. I agree. I don't disagree with you.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:29

With the open carrier CJ Grisham case in Texas, um, the Fifth Circuit judges ruled that the cops could detain somebody for open carrying if somebody reported on 911. Not reported a crime, just literally reported the fact that you're open carrying, then the cops get qualified immunity when they illegally detain you and then tase you and almost kill you, they get qualified immunity. Now you're not gonna your your criminal charges aren't gonna count. They they said that, oh yeah, you didn't commit a crime, so the charges won't stick, but the cops should also get QI. Just because somebody on 9-1 called 9-1-1 and said the mere fact you existed out on a public street with a rifle should give them QI.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:11

Cops use that just to ID people these days.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

Oh, I was called here, so you got ID. Uh well, Dallas illegally arrested me for jaywalking to get my ID.

unknown 1:02:22

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:23

That's how the Dallas case started. So you okay. So you let's can we are you allowed to talk about that?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:29

Uh it's so open and shut, dude. There's I'm not worried about it.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:32

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:33

Then it's really, really hard to jaywalk in Texas.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:36

Yeah, it sure as shit is. Um, so let's let's go down. Okay, tell me set the set the tone for me, sir. It was a beautiful stormy day. What was it? What were you doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:47

Beautiful day in Dallas. Um, I had just done my audit on City Hall and gave them their notice for having illegal signage up for the council meeting. And I like I told you before, they had illegal no knife signs set up for the whole building. Made me take my pot. I carry in my beretta, but they made me take my pocket knife back to my car. That's what Dallas City Hall did.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:10

Was this the cops that told you this? Was this like the deputy city cops? What was it?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:15

Yes, okay, yes. That video is live on my channel if you want to go watch it.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:19

Oh my god. Okay, so hold on, before we go any farther. They they and did you point this out? Did you like, I have a gun. Yes. I have a gun, but I have to take the knife back. So you pointed that out.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

Yes, I told him it was illegal. What the fuck? We got state preemption on knife laws and gun laws in Texas. And um, here's the fun thing um Texas cops and security guards don't know. That preemption statute on weapons for lower municipal governments, counties, everything like that, it says that any ordinance or regulation that violates the preemption law is null is void on its face. And also any action taken to enforce them is void. That means as a police officer, if you try to arrest somebody for carrying a pocket knife in City Hall, you are not acting as a peace officer. What? You're you're in your at your enforcement action in violation of state preemption law is void the moment you do it. Oh. Yeah. Now you'd have to find a DA willing to criminally charge you for everything you just did, which almost never happens in Texas. But yeah, the the preemption statute doesn't say the regulation's void, it says the enforcement action taken to enforce it is also void the moment it happens. So when you're trying to enforce an unlawful uh weapons regulation or policy in city hall or county, whatever, you're not acting as a peace officer in that moment. You're just committing an assault. What? But you got to find somebody who's willing to prosecute the cop for that, and that just doesn't happen in Texas.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:03

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:04

Yeah, but it also means your qualified immunity is just shot on the civil side of things for that, too. Because it's in state statute that your actions were unlawful. I won't get into the whole resisting arrest thing because that's a whole nother ball game. Um as far as statutes go. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just we'll we'll we'll talk for half an hour if we get into that.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:28

Long milk or whatever that old case is. Um we have the same opinion you do on that. Um, taken way

Jaywalking Arrest To Force ID

SPEAKER_05 1:05:39

too far.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:39

So after I got out of there, I figured if Dallas City Hall is screwing up this bad, most Dallas government buildings are probably screwing up this bad. So I drove uh two miles away down to police headquarters to go see what kind of signs they had up in their lobby. And they had a legal signage up. So you can walk through the front door, okay, but it'd actually get into the police department, no weapon. At all, no nothing. There is a Texas law saying that they can restrict weapons, handguns from the secured areas of a police station if they offer lockboxes. But that's only the non-public areas. So what Dallas PD did was declare the entire department a secured area, including the museum that's open to the public inside, and put up their metal detectors and lockboxes and say you can't step foot past the front door with any kind of weapon because it's a police department. That's not how the state law works in Texas. So you can have your interview rooms and your brute meeting room and the detention area as the non-public secured area, but the records office and public interview rooms, the property room, all that stuff. No, you can't ban weapons of any kind. The same as every other government building in Texas, pretty much. You can't ban weapons. So I just walked in to find out, uh, told them what they're doing's not right, and that I'd be taking it up and walked out. Got back to my car about three minutes later, some cop, a female cop comes walking out, trying to act uh not suspicious with a body cam in her hand held at the waist, pointing my way, and starts walking down the street, recording me, and then trying to go behind my car. And I'm like, oh God. She's like trying to play it off. It's like, I'm not looking at you. So I get out and say, Hey, can I help you? And she uh illegally detains me. Says uh yeah, I ask from detained, she says no.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:35

She said, Okay, well yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:37

Okay. Um I I was like, all right, well, you have a nice day. I'm leaving. She says, No. Like, am I detained? She says, No. I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna get my car. Don't get in your car. I'm like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm gonna make sure that you're okay to have that on you, and points at my gun. And uh yeah, I move to the sidewalk. I literally say, Yeah, I'm gonna go move to the sidewalk so you don't say something stupid like pedestrian or roadway for me standing here next to my car. Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:06

Obstruction of roadway that's class B.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:08

Yep. So I move over to the sidewalk and um a lieutenant or somebody comes around and says, I'm not detained anymore, but now there's a dozen cops there. So I decide I'm gonna stay because if I try to leave, they're probably gonna do something stupid still. Or just pull follow me and pull me over later. Um they go back and forth for a while, and one big asshole cop shows up and just takes over, uh Sergeant, and um decides after talking to her that I'm going to be no, no, no. He he looks nothing like you. I'm just like with him. Um, but he um decides that um they saw me jaywalking, so they're when I won't ID, I'm gonna be arrested for jaywalk. Yeah, I didn't jaywalk. So you literally the literally you can't jaywalk in the spot I jaywalked unless you ran in front of a car. It's like it that that's it's all rolled into that one statute. Yeah, so the place I crossed, the only way I could commit the crime of pedestrian on the roadway is if I jumped in front of a car.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:15

Wow. Yeah, so it's crazy. I'm I'm curious because there's two things they can get you on. One is obstruction of roadway, which is when you walk out in into the definition of what you're talking about. Um, a car literally has to be they your behavior and your physical being have to cause a car to do something different in the roadways, obstruction of roadway. And then there is uh I got you, Alan. Um, and then there's uh jaywalking, which is basically walking uh in an in a place other than where a crosswalk's provided, and that only counts, and this is where people fuck this up. Cops, I'll tell you, this is where cops fuck this up all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

It has to be between two road signals, yep, or in the downtown business district, which was two miles away.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:05

Right, right. So that that cops screw that one up a lot, and me as a sergeant, that's my job. I've had to tell guys, like, no, like I understand what you're doing. It's a local dope dealer, and you're trying to fucking get them, but you don't have it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:17

He said that um she saw you jaywalk, and I said, No, she didn't. She I was already in my car before she even came out of the office. And I said, Well, you didn't use that crosswalk. I'm like, do I have to? No.

unknown 1:10:32

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:32

There that that there is there is one crosswalk at the intersection out in front of the police department, but the street on that street goes for another mile before it dead ends without a single other signal on it. Really? Yeah, yeah. He did it just to get me. Um, he even said, You wanted to be a smart ass and not give ID. As I ask him, um, what why are you doing this? Why if you're gonna pull this bullshit? Why is it not just decide and release? Yeah, and he says, You want to be a smart ass about not giving it ID. Well, today you're gonna go learn, you're gonna learn the law, you're going to jail. So there's retaliation. That's what he was really trying to do. And then at that point, they um I don't have the paperwork on my body for the the text stamp for the silencer. They start really wanting to dig for it. I'm like, yeah, it might be in my car, but I mean, obviously, I can't go get it for you right now. I'm in handcuffs. And um, oh no, the the the copy you've got in your phone is not good enough. Um, so he turns around and says, search the car. We're gonna tow it. They towed my car for pedestrian in the roadway. Wow. And then the detective who showed up later wanting to get all friendly and talk about my tax stamps, um, went and did a second search of my car and pulled my paperwork out of my backpack and started looking through it. You ever heard of an inventory on a car where you can go through the pockets of a backpack and start unfolding paperwork to search through all the paperwork?

SPEAKER_08 1:12:04

Nope. The only thing that you're allowed to do for an inventory is that you're responsible for any um expensive items or uh stuff like that because you got a liability. So, what you're supposed to do is you just take the backpack and that gets set to the side. You're not allowed to go in it and start searching through it by any means.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:21

No, we've we've got it all on camera. I watched him do it now while I was sitting in the back of the patrol car. I watched him go do a second search of my car to try to find my tax stamp paperwork because they were like, Oh, we we're we're so screwed, we gotta find something to get this guy on. So maybe he really doesn't have a tax stamp.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:36

Especially when they're getting you for a pedestrian crime. Now all of a sudden the vehicle's in play. How does that work?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:43

Oh, because it's parked on the road, and maybe by the time I get out of jail, the parking meter would have run out. So we're just gonna tow it because it the parking meter might run out before you get back out of jail. Maybe, but that's yeah. Fun thing is the car parked in front of me had a red meter when I pulled up to that spot. They didn't tow that car.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:01

Oh uh, just pay the fines for like I don't like I think they usually give a parking ticket first like before they tow it. Like, does it not just keep cycling and so now you owe a certain amount of money?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:15

No, I'm just saying like if if you're if you're parked at a at a meter, a coin meter or whatever, usually they give you a ticket before they tow it.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:25

Right. That's what I like would they just start adding money to the the dial, like if you park there for a whole day, now you owe it to it.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:33

Nah, no, they they just they just they just give you the ticket and expect and then if you well some point afterwards, six hours later, a day later, and it's still sitting there, they tow it.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:43

Yes, normally they got to sticker the car, like okay, yeah, like yeah. So what what I would say, especially like again, I I would love to be uh a helper for an attorney that that defends stuff like this, because what I would say is like, okay, now I want to pull up the history of what you've done for meter parking in the past. What has been your history? What's it your history?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:04

The only thing I'm gonna need for retaliation on this is the vehicle next to me had a red tag on it that that hadn't been paid before I even I mean that that absolutely

Tow Search And NFA Paperwork Fishing

SPEAKER_02 1:14:13

enhances exactly what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:14

But if this guy's got a history that every time he dealt with a spoiled meter, that he ticketed it, but you of all people, he did this too. Like that something.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:27

And he said that first. Search the car. Yeah. Oh, um, we're gonna tow it. Yeah. He said that after I wouldn't give him the tax stamp paperwork. That was his response. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:39

Now um I'll I'll be honest, I've said search the car. I not intending search, I meant inventory. Um, so I I'll own that. I've I've made that that mistake before, um, but it it wasn't in lieu of something controversial. It was like like you could tell what the context was, what I meant.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:00

But the context was five seconds before I said, I'm not getting I'm not giving you my paperwork because it's in my car and I'm not allowing you to search my car. And he says, Okay, we're searching the car.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:08

Yeah, exactly. So that's that's to my point. Context absolutely matters. Um, so I didn't want to come across holier than thou and act like I never said search for inventory. Because I fucked that up. I have said that. Because let's be honest, it's what you're doing. You are searching, but you're searching for a different reason, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:27

Yep, yeah, which is why unfolding paperwork to go through five pages worth of tax stamps, it's pretty obvious you're not doing a search. Yeah, but uh what I was telling you before the show, um, what I learned after they did this and took the gun off of me, and then also the gun I had in the car, um, was that every firearm that goes through Dallas property room goes through ballistics testing, and they have a three-month backlog on that right now.

unknown 1:15:54

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:54

So I should expect to get my guns back in three months. I still don't have them back.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:57

I was gonna say, so you don't even have your guns.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:59

Nope. This was April 1st.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:01

April Fool's Day. Yeah. Oh. So I'll make this argument. I think in lieu of uh so you didn't get any, you don't have any criminal charges, correct? Oh no, the pedestrian and the roadway. The prosecutor hasn't dropped it yet. Oh, okay. So they're still holding that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:17

But the guns aren't on hold for the charge, they're just on hold because they haven't been processed yet.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:24

That's so crazy. I haven't like we like like we were talking. So, folks, like behind the scenes, what we were talking about is the process of once you take a gun to the property room, what happens with it afterwards? For where I'm at, as far as I know, it just sits in the property room till that person comes and gets it. Because it's it was taken. Obviously, you can't take a gun with you into the jail, and they're not gonna process a gun in the jail. That's just not gonna happen. So it goes to the property room. When he gets out, he goes and grabs his shit. What it appears to be with where he went and several places that he's talked. I mean, shit, there's a lot of places to do what he's talking about. They do a fucking ballistics test on your gun. I would argue that that is no different than me getting your cell phone and going inside of it. That to me is uh complete invasion of privacy uh in nobody's business. You should at the bare minimum have a search warrant for it. So I want it to go on the record. I think you should have to have a search warrant if you're gonna run a ballistics test on somebody's firearm.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:26

So that's the lawsuit we filed, is exactly what it's saying. We're gonna go for an emergency injunction against Dallas.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:33

Damn. And now your gun's probably gonna get stuck in the queue for seven months.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

It might. If it does, it's it's it is gonna be what it is. Um, we're gonna count every day against them, but if this ends up changing uh the law around the country and protecting people's fourth amendment rights a little bit better, yeah, I'll I'll take the hit for that. Um do you need a gun to borrow?

SPEAKER_08 1:17:58

I got I got one.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:59

I'm good. That that 50k bought a lot of guns. I bet it did. I love it. Uh yeah. Um, but the uh what we're we're doing on that is just we're we're gonna push it as far as we can. And it's a couple other cities do the same kind of thing where it's also just punishment. You know, they they whenever they get a gun, they hate guns, Austin, stuff like that. Yeah, so they're gonna just hold on to your gun for as long as possible. They also say they're running their own background check that

Ballistics Testing And Gun Return Delays

SPEAKER_02 1:18:30

takes a couple extra weeks on every top of the thing. I don't know anything in Texas State statute that allows a municipal government to do a background check. There's no um forum or ability to do that through any Texas government system, it's just NICs and the standard what you run through the feds is the only thing you got to run off of. So what what background check are you doing authorized by state statute?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:54

Other than a criminal background check, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:57

I don't know of state uh any state law authorizing some kind of in-depth background check for just getting your guns back or purchasing a gun at a gun store.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:05

Oh oh yeah, for sure. No, you're right. Uh I I thought you were talking, I'm just talking on the cops side. Like, the best I can do is a criminal investigation. Yeah, do a criminal background. Other other states have other systems, but Texas does not. Texas does not have its own background system for. I'm gonna push a little bit, and this is gonna go against the cops. I'm gonna push against our people, my people. Um, this is a systemic issue. This isn't just a training issue. This is systemic. Like the Second Amendment isn't new. This isn't, you know, we're not talking about a First Amendment auditor, which is don't get me wrong, the First Amendment's been around a long time, but people with video cameras and technology changing and stuff like that. I get where cops were ignorant about it at the beginning. I get it. I I'll be fair. I think I understand where that ignorance came from. Because I'll be honest, had I not run across First Amendment auditor videos, I might have been the same cop going like, I don't think you're allowed to do that. That doesn't seem right. I'm not sure where it's at in the law, but stay right there. I might have been that cop. If I'm gonna be honest, like when I was a rookie, like a young cop, I might have been that guy. Uh luckily I wasn't, and luckily people didn't have cell phones that they could record everywhere, and by that time I started to learn this stuff. But carrying a firearm is not new. Guns haven't really changed. Uh they look cooler. I think they shoot more accurate, but still a trigger, still, still a you know, uh firearm. Uh they're all it's still a cartridge. Like everything's the same, nothing's really changed. Flintlock, like, that's gone away. Black powder, that's gone away. Like, nothing's really changed. So my point that I'm getting to Matt is that how are we how are we trying to circumvent the system and do such and arounds to get somebody like you doing honestly? I don't even think you were doing anything at that time. You weren't even in you weren't even in the mode yet, right? You were just walking. Yeah, you weren't even in the mode yet. So for a guy that was doing nothing but what has been done since the the dawn of this country, I don't understand how that's a training issue. That's not a training issue, that's a systemic issue, that's a cultural cultural issue in that department. And and what it sounds like from your experience and what why you do what you do, it's not just that place, it's a lot of places.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:27

It's why we have to do this. So, like one of the best examples I've got from doing open carry texas stuff, um down in San Antonio is where most of the activism happened back 10 years ago, right? So um, we had a guy named Mike who was uh juggalo, brown skin, lots of tats.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:46

Yes. So for those that don't, you got we got to explain what a juggle. I'm from Michigan, so I'm a Fago drinking uh juggalo myself. I didn't wear the makeup. I okay, let me go back. For those who don't know what he's talking about, a juggalo is an insane clown posse fan. Um I grew up in Michigan, so you couldn't get away from Insane Clown Posse. My favorite song was called Bugs on My Nugs. I thought it was fucking hilarious. Um, so I'm a first generation because I was I was their audience when they first came out. I thought they were funny. I just it was a different, you know, gangster rap was real big. These guys weren't singing gangster rap, they're singing funny shit, in my opinion. Um, and then this whole new generation came out and they became juggalos and like juggalets and whatever they call themselves. So uh anyway, go ahead, Matt.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:37

So what we did was have a white guy with a rifle open carry around a neighborhood or a park in uh one of the suburbs of San Antonio do that for about 20 minutes, and nothing would happen. And then we'd have Mike, his uh YouTube was Southside Slacker, um, do the exact same thing, the exact same walk, and two minutes later there'd be a dozen cops showing up with their rifles out, putting them down at gunpoint. Oh shit. Happened. We did they did it about three or four times.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:09

No shit. Oh, look at Wade.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:11

Wade knew Wade's like, I see me. And that that is how one of one of the ways we forced change culturally in the San Antonio PD and the suburbs around there on open carry was just ridiculing them and showing the difference. If you're a white guy carrying a rifle in Texas, you're okay. If you're not a white guy in Texas open carrying, they might just shoot you first and ask questions later. And did that three or four times and then it stopped happening. Yeah. Yeah, that or at least people probably still made the phone calls, but the cops didn't show up a dozen deep, disarming us with their rifles out and saying we're gonna go to jail if we don't ID.

unknown 1:23:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:55

They at least stopped doing that.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:57

Yeah, we we have hit several times on here about the whole ID stuff. Like it drives me insane when I hear cops want not.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:10

I know you know this. The go-to for every cop. What was the go-to for every cop almost out there

Race Perception In Open Carry Calls

SPEAKER_02 1:24:15

in the whole country to get ID from somebody who was open carrying?

SPEAKER_08 1:24:18

I was called here. That was the normal. I was called here. What is it for you? No. How do I know you're not a felon? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, you're not wrong. I'm sorry. I should have known that. You're right. Yeah. How do I know you're not a felon? How do I know you're not a criminal? You have to give me your ID to prove you're not a felon to open carry.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:35

Oh, that's that was their go-to for forever.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:37

That's how that works. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:39

I still see it pop up every once in a while, but it's a lot less than it used to be.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:43

Yeah. Um, I gotta, I gotta say something over onto our Instagram. Look, guys, I I do Instagram live as a bonus, and I see you guys over there. Um, I I have a gigantic 57-inch wide monitor. Okay, and it gives me all the real estate I need for all these YouTube videos that I got queued up for my restream where I'm talking to our awesome guest, and then I put Instagram live on here as a bonus along with TikTok live. Our main things are YouTube, LinkedIn, and that's really it. But uh also Facebook and Instagram are a bonus. So if you're over there chatting on Instagram, please jump over to our YouTube channel. Uh, it is much harder for us to keep track of that because Restream, the program we use, doesn't ingest what you guys are saying. So uh I apologize. I did I should have said that at the beginning, um, but people jump on and off. So don't get offended if I'm not looking at what you're saying. It's just most of our audience knows to jump over to our YouTube. Uh and I actually have the YouTube live link already right there on Instagram. So just click on that. Sorry about that, Matt.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:50

Um, but seeing stuff like that is what got me more and more involved. So that's what when I saw what Open Carry Texas was doing, that's why I joined Open Carry Texas.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:02

Gotcha. Um the so we've had Kyle Rittenhouse on here. He's a big uh two A guy, obviously. Um and I think he was actually hired by somebody, a two-A group out of Texas.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:13

CJ actually won his gun. Kyle Kyle is down here uh at a guns uh gun range event, and there was a raffle for giving away uh a couple of his handguns or something, and CJ won it. So CJ has CJ has one of Kyle's handguns now.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:30

Nice, nice. Um, yeah, Kyle Kyle um was he was actually about he was really close to getting hired onto a department out in Arizona. And that's how we like he's here and he's he was actually very close to the city I work in. And he had um mutual friends, we got connected. So long story short, we got connected. Uh guy had him on the podcast and stuff like that. But he told me he almost I a lot of people don't notice he almost had a second shooting. Um they broke into his apartment trying to get to him. They found out where he lived. And um Kyle's not dumb. I mean, he is tactically a sound kid. Like I say kid, he's like 22. So um and he was telling me the story. He's like, I heard him coming in. He's like, I could have sat in front of the door and just waited for him to come through. He's like, but I went into my room, there's a long hallway leading to my room, and he's like, I put myself in a position that they couldn't see me, but I could see down the hall. And he's like, if they would have came down the hall and reached a certain point, I had a line in the sand and I would have done what I had to do. Um, but luckily the cops got there prior, uh, which is which is very rare. Like, I want people to understand when when seconds matter, cops are minutes away. I just hope you guys understand that.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:51

I I've beaten cops to calls for home invasion. Yeah. When I'm not cop watching, and it really, really messed with them when they showed up. A home invasion call, and there's a guy parked a hundred yards away with a camera sitting out the window recording, waiting for them to show up. Yeah, that really that got them talking on the radio.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:09

I bet it did. I bet it did. I'm not gonna lie. If I saw some car like chilled out, I'd be like, what the fuck is that guy doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:17

I mean they I had been on a lot of calls that night, so one of the other cops told him what was going on, but the the guy who was pulling up didn't know who it was. Uh he's like, there's a guy with a camera recording us as we're pulling up to this call. And they're like, Yeah, he's the one that was involved with the shooting earlier. He's out recording us today. That was a whole wild day. I um crime scene couldn't find some bullets that went through a guy's calf, and I did. Oh no shit. I have really good, I have really good flashlights.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:46

Yeah, you do. What's your favorite brand of flashlight?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:49

Well, um

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SPEAKER_02 1:28:50

O-light for just everyday stuff, but um some of the newer brands the um for rifle lights I go with, um, I mean sure fire and them are kind of falling behind. So I've I've gone with a little bit of the uh what the owl or whatever for some of the rifle lights.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:08

Okay. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:09

Um but if it's just going in your pocket, no light's good enough for me.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:13

I'm a Phoenix fan.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:14

Um I've I have a Phoenix PD what 35, the white laser. Yes. Yeah that's gotten me in trouble a couple times. Really? Yeah, that's the one I like. It's the well the it's got me arrested once. Well, I uh well detained for half an hour and then unarrested when the supervisor came by. That was done in Corpus. What was wrong with the light? Uh cop tried to blind me with his spotlight um after the stop was done just to make it back. He hated, yeah, and so he came out and arrested me, and then the supervisor made him unarrest me. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:53

Yeah. It's crazy. That is that is one of those things as a police officer. Um I try to tell people, I try to tell my rookies when I was a supervisor in the field. I'm like, look, we work in inner, we were working in an entertainment district district, like thousands of people. I'm like, if you hit people in the face with a flashlight, what are you gonna do when they do it back? What are you gonna do when they do it then?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:19

Yeah. No, uh a lot of the cop watchers, I mean, that's half the reason I gave out six thousand dollars worth of flashlights, was so that when cops did try to blind our cameras, you'd have something to point back at them. And when what you've got's brighter than what they got, it gets fun. Yeah. When they've got a th when they when they've got a thousand lumens and you've got ten thousand, they they usually give up pretty fast.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:42

I've had a couple officers I've worked with have O-lights, but I've never used one myself. I've never uh never tried one.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:48

For pocket lights, they're good. For weapon lights, I'd go with something a little bit better. But that's just yeah, yeah. Well surefire for a pistol, but let's some of the other brands um are passing up surefire by leaps and bounds on the rifle lights. So I go with some of the newer guys on those. Gotcha. But yeah, he um he was a SWAT cop who couldn't stand anybody who wasn't a cop having a gun anywhere in his line of sight. We'd had an interaction the weekend before, and he acted like a complete jackass um over another traffic stop that was already over there, just waiting for the tow truck. And I met him again the next week on a DUI stop, didn't have any interaction with him at all, um, because there's what five cops there. And it was over, guys arrested, everybody, the passengers got in their Uber, and they're just waiting on the tow truck. So I move way the heck off, like 20, 30 yards, um, and just wait for the scene to break up. And he gets in his car, moves it around, backs it up so he can point the spotlight at me, and points the spotlight at me. Dang. Yeah, just to blind me. I'm standing under a streetlight.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:55

What an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:56

Yeah, and then when yeah, gave him gave him back, he couldn't handle that. So you're detained for investigation. What's the investigation? He couldn't say. He never did.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:06

And so the supervisor showed up and did what he should do. Made him let me go, yeah. Okay. Did the supervisor say anything to you? I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:13

Oh, a couple things, yeah. But that's it. That side's gonna be on the lawsuit, and I still need to get their body cams. So that that one's not gonna be public info yet. But there was a lot of cops planing, um, trying to get why um it's where I got my channel name. The what I added, I it's always been HBO Matt, but the blatantly armed media that came from Murray, the the cop who grabbed me. Um, his excuse was you were behind me and you were blatantly armed. That's a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:45

That's my new channel. That's my new channel name. I like it. Gotta make the hat. That's funny. What's funny? So I used uh chat GPT to come up with like a description for when I was posting the episode, and and that's what it came up with was like, um, are you referring to HBO Matt from Blatantly Armed Media? And then like started going down the thing, like everything about it was blatantly armed. I was like, that's hilarious. I like it. Well, the two choices were blatantly armed media.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:11

Well, I've been throwing around for a year or two, um, getting like uh a badge or something for my my body armor or a jacket or something, and um bam was one thing I'd been thinking of, or armed press, the AP. Okay, but yeah, what he when he came up with that blatantly armed, I was like, that I gotta go with that.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:32

Armed press would be pretty good too. Not gonna lie. Yep, yeah, for sure. Uh I love this. I'm just putting this up there because of the name Bulls Deep. He said damaged ego. Yeah, absolutely. That's that's what uh that's what happens when your light's brighter. It's uh it's a it's a different type of measuring contest. And you won.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:52

The um corpus cops have been pretty good, probably one of the best police departments in the country. There's only a couple of ones that act out really bad. Um, gang unit hates my guts because I've caught them illegally IDing passengers on uh traffic stops.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:09

Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:10

Yeah, so they don't like me. Um but mostly it's just been the officers that couldn't handle me. But yeah, Murray's a SWAT cop, and he just literally couldn't um handle somebody who's carrying being anywhere near him, which made it really fun when the next day there was a SWAT call right next to my house that night, and I went out there and he didn't even notice I was there. I got there before he did. And so an hour and a half later, when it's over and the fireball from the car has burned down, um, he sees me out there carrying and watching. He's going back to his personal car, and he's he's just like, What the fuck is this guy still doing out here? I fucked with him yesterday. Why is he still on the street? Yeah, he should have learned his lesson. Right. And he should have known better. Yeah, so there's a SWAT call the next day, and he didn't even notice me that I was literally standing on the street outside the scene when he pulled up. And then when it's all over, two hours later, he finally notices me, and I'm still open caring, and I'm still there recording, and he's like, fuck.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:10

Let me give a shout out to uh Emberp. I know that's not how you pronounce it, but Ember pop podcast. He said, This convo is why I respect two cops window one done. I appreciate that, brother. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:21

Um so many they um they uh Corpus has been good, but now they're getting worse, and they retaliated. A week after I announced I'm filing the lawsuit, they encrypted all their scanner traffic. What? Really? Yeah, without notice. They didn't tell anybody, they didn't tell the media for the last six months now. Um, news media and corpus hasn't been able to have B-roll on any active crime scenes because the scanners are all encrypted, including police and uh EMS and fire.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:51

Even their basic patrol channels?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:54

Everything, even EMS and fire dispatch are encrypted now.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:58

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:00

I did it, did it without notice, didn't tell the council, didn't make any announcement, weren't authorized by the city council, no debate, no nothing.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:08

Ooh, they just making moves, huh? Yep. Good luck with that. Um I I get when you have tactical channels, that makes sense. I I get that.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:18

But other than that, we don't have a constitutional right to it, but I do think that the thing we got to push is have state laws written that says dispatch channels for all public uh all government um radio should be unencrypted.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:34

Because that's that's transparency to the public. So I I don't think we can win a First Amendment argument to get it. So it's gonna be up to everybody to get laws passed saying at the state level, every fire department, EMS, police department has to leave their dispatch channel unencrypted.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:49

I could I could agree with that. I think that's fine. Um I'll I'll push you one further, Matt. What do you think about this? I think that officers should have a duty to inform. And this is what I mean by duty to inform. Um, and yes, sorry, M Burp. Um, he said, can't wait to have two cops, one donut on my show. Yes, I do plan to do your podcast. Um duty to inform. Here's what I mean. If I don't have a right to your ID, I need to inform you. Hey, I I don't have a right to your ID, but I would like your ID for these purposes, and this is what I plan to do. I think that would help improve police relationships with the community. And it would help inform people of their rights. Hey, I don't have a right to detain you right now, but I would like to stop and talk to you. Instead of doing the, hey, can I ask you a question real quick? Hey, real quick, would you go before they can even answer? And then you just start to like it's a tactic we use. I've used it where you just get them talking, and then you're like, all right, cool. All right, well, while while I'm talking to you, real quick, like you know, were you down the street over here by this part? And then you're in a conversation, and I can say it was consensual. But I didn't inform the person that they had the right to walk away.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:04

The biggest thing cop watchers have done in Texas is teach 3802 to everybody. So now you've got regular people on the street saying, knowing they don't have to ID, but it's still not enough because not everybody pays attention, not everybody knows, and you still get cops who get it wrong. So making

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SPEAKER_02 1:38:23

that policy, yeah, it would help a lot. But there, I mean, it's given how many problems we've got and how much how power hungry government is, just to start with, I don't think we're ever gonna see that, except for one-offs in a couple cities. You've got I can't remember what state it was that uh California said that um cops have to give you the reason they pulled you over now.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:44

Yeah, it is just California.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:46

Um are we gonna get constitutionally? Can you argue that? No. But state law-wise, hell yes, get that passed.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:55

We don't we don't need um you know, it also would uh disincline federal agents from setting up local cops to pull over a drug kingpin and get themselves killed. If you're familiar with that case.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:09

I'm sorry, which case is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:11

Oh, they that I think it was Arizona or New Mexico. They were um the FBI DEA wanted to pull over a guy who was pretty much a drug kingpin. So they got a local, they asked a local cop to do a uh a bad stop on him just so that they could catch up, but they didn't warn him. They just said, hey, we're interested in this guy. Oh and so the guy it's the guy gets out with an AR pistol and blows the cop away.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:36

No shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:37

Yeah. I'd have to go look it up for the name. That happened a couple years ago. No, it's it's it's one of it's it shows up as one of y'all's training vids usually because his body cam was running live for it, and it's pretty bad.

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SPEAKER_08 1:39:50

I think I know which one you're talking about. It's very brutal. Yeah, it's very brutal. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:54

So if you couldn't if you couldn't do bullshit stops and not tell somebody why you're pulled over, you wouldn't be using uh fall guys to make these put bullshit stops and get them endangered for somebody who should never have been pulled over on anything that wasn't a felony stop.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:11

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I agree. I I I think that I again i I think they call it the seven-step violator. Like um, like normally what the Kansas two-step. Yeah, basically what I'm supposed to say is like, hey, I'm Sergeant Levine uh with the such and such police department. The reason I pulled you over is this. Is there any reason that you were doing this? Do you have your license, registration, proof of insurance? Like that is a that's like the the the script. And in that script, you're telling them why you pulled them over. And the whole reason that you should be telling them that is one, they need to be informed, and two, it helps de-escalate things. It helps they're not guessing, and you're not putting them, you know, do you know why I pulled you over? I fucking hate that by the way. Um, you shouldn't be doing that, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:55

Uh doesn't make me right, but I I think pretextual stops shouldn't be a thing, but it also is just stupid to be doing a to be doing a pretextual stop on somebody who should be taken down as a felony stop. If you actually had the re write the illegal reason to pull them over, that's that that should be the bright line.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:15

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:16

Yeah. So if you're if you're just you if the guy's so dangerous, you need to be doing a felony stop on him, but you can't legally do that, you're doing something wrong.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:26

Yeah, you just don't have it yet. Be patient. That's the thing. That's what we that's what we try to tell cops. I'm like, you don't have it yet, just relax. There it'll come. Like bad guys, real bad guys, it's they're gonna do bad guy shit. You're gonna get them.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:41

Well, and and the traffic code in Texas a lot, like there's you know, it doesn't take much to have a traffic violation.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:49

No, that's one of the other things we gotta change is arresting people for turn signals.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:54

Well, you know, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should be able to do that either. I'm just saying they call that cross bonding. I I understand cars, and you know, I I was a mechanic for long enough, you know, uh prior to being a police officer. And so it's like I try to my son is a deputy, he's a young deputy in the county we live in, and I'm like, if you can't figure out a reason to pull that vehicle over, then you need to just go the other direction because most vehicles, you know, except for brand new vehicles, they have a violation, you know. You just you just have to know the traffic code.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:32

We've we've had retaliation cases in Texas where a cop wanted to mess with somebody, so they arrested them for yeah uh failing failing to use a turn signal. Yeah, it's just it's one of those things we gotta get rid of.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:44

Yeah, there's I mean, I know guys that especially narcotics guys, yeah. They'll use not using your turn signal 100 feet prior. They'll use you know um not coming to a complete stop prior to the sidewalk. That's another one, like when you're leaving a parking lot. So that's that's something a lot of people don't know. You're supposed to stop prior to the sidewalk and they'll creep all the way out. So um they they have they have all of these tools um to use when they're going after people that sell and buy narcotics. So I'm I'm not a narc guy, um, but when I was a young young cop, that's what I thought I kind of wanted to do. And I learned all these tips and tricks that they did, and then I I came to the realization on my own really quick. I'm like, ah, you guys are just cutting the snake off of one the head off of one snake, and it's just popping up.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:34

Like well, that's how a certain couple got murdered over in Houston. The house raid, like the cops that ended up going to jail, the narc cops.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:45

I don't remember that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:46

Yeah, that was a big case.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:48

Um, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:50

Yeah. Um, I don't know if anybody can remember, remember their names. No, it was uh narc cop called in a fake warrant on a house, got an informant to lie, and they the the narc cops did their own SWAT raid on the house with no body cams and ended up killing the husband and wife inside.

SPEAKER_10 1:44:07

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:44:08

Yeah, straight up murdered them. Just straight up murdered them. Wow. Yeah, so the the main the main cop's doing some jail time now. Took a couple years. And anyone's in jail now.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:18

And if there's any officer that that's a watches what I do and they're following this like, oh it's fucking bullshit. They're probably lying. Listen, we had we had um on the very last podcast we did, we had the warlocker show guys, and his dad was an IA cop for LAPD. And his dad had a case where several detectives were setting off burglar alarms at jewelry stores to get a response so they could go in and then steal shit. And that was like a very famous case. So if you think that this is out of the realm of possibility that cops would do this stuff, it happens.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:57

The cops' name was Gerald Goyne's, it was the Tuttles.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:00

The Tuttles? No, I haven't heard of that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:02

Yeah, Dennis Tuttle and Regina Nicholas. Yeah, that that made national news, man, because they they they pretty much murdered him on live TV.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:11

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:13

There's witness camera, there's witness cameras, the guy didn't instantly die. The wife was instantly killed. They killed the dog, they killed the wife, the guy was still alive, and they sent a robot in to kill him. And so people were live people were live streaming by the time that happened.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:28

Tony the dog knew who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:30

Yeah, so they um went back and did all the investigation, the warrant was made up, there was no confidential informant, he just made the report up so he could do the raid, and um something like 150 cases got thrown out because of him, because of that. And that that whole Narc squadron got disbanded. And uh like he six of the cops got indicted. He's and uh Going's was the main one that he's doing I don't know, 20 years or something now.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:57

Damn. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:59

So sorry, uh he's doing 60 years.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:02

Uh so he's done.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:05

Um uh MBR RP said, uh, I have a flock cam expert for you, Eric. He's a lay expert. Email me. All right. Um I actually I I I don't know how familiar you guys are with my background with the National Real Time Crime Center Association. Um, I'm a part of that. Um I'm an executive board member, which is basically all the technologies in policing, um, especially for real-time crime centers, obviously. So, in that, uh, I get a lot of connections and stuff with these companies and stuff. So I got some people in mind, but I do appreciate it. Thank you very much. Uh Twitchy's in the house. What's up, Twitchy? I didn't see you there earlier. First time I've seen your name pop up. Um Yeah, we got we got Matt, we got some some OGs when it comes to your world uh in the in the comment section tonight. Andy Fletcher's one of them, Mr. Billfold, another one. Constitutional Country Girl. I love giving these guys shout-outs because these are your fan base, brother. I mean, I they they're here. They they do talk on our channel. They're they they do the two cops one donut stuff, but these are your people. These are the ones that follow you. They love what you do, and they're here supporting. Um, they're the reason that you're on, honestly. They they reached out to me and they're like, You gotta have you gotta ask HBO Mac. And then you popped in the chat that one day, which thank you for doing that, by the way. Um we really, really appreciate that. But I I just I but I don't want to forget to tell you this, is like I truly do want to make police work better. I really do. And so that's why I think it's I think it's important for cops to to get out of their own way.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:49

I'm not I I'm nowhere near being an anarchist.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:51

To get out of their own fucking way. This is my problem, is they want a cop echo chamber everywhere. Cops want this echo chamber, and I think that's the worst mindset mentality that you can have. I want to be surrounded by people that hate police. I honestly I want to. And the reason being is I need to one, I need to understand their perspective. They have it for a reason. What is the reason? Well, we just I don't think you hate police. I and I'm that's not the point I was trying to make, but like there's a catalyst for doing what you did and why you do it. Like you were you were literally probably doing the most benign form of 1A auditing I've ever seen. You just were a normal dude in a parking lot filming, and then this cop was a dickhead. And he fueled the fire to create HBO Matt.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:36

I I think that's a fair assessment. It would I have

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SPEAKER_02 1:48:40

gotten into cop watching anyway, yes. Would I have immediately started out as the only guy out there who open carries every minute I'm doing it? No.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:47

Right. So that's my point. Like, we we've created the people that we try to condemn as cops, and they're like, oh, they're frauditors, they're this. I fucking hate that term, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:00

Um, one there's some guys out there that are just in it for the money and the bullshit, but they're they're they're they're pretty few compared to the vast majority.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:09

Thank you. And and that is the point that I try to make about police is I think there's a lot of good cops out there doing a lot of great things, and that's why I try to share the good. It's just unfortunately, let's face it, let's be real. The algorithms don't support that. Nope. They don't. So I'm trying to kind of force it, but I can't force it without showing the bad, too. I can't I gotta be balanced. I have to show the bad, and I have to acknowledge it as a cop that there are bad things going on out there, and that's where our conversations come in. If I just have cops on here like Alan, like that's nobody's gonna listen to my like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:43

My if I had the jail body cam from Livingston, it'd be great for everybody to play it. Because while I was getting booked on the the felony charges, I talked to the guards about what silencer they should buy next. I mean that's We had a great conversation. They're like, What are you in here for? It's like, um, I was open hearing with a silencer, and they're like, Oh, what kind? I'm like, Yeah, this is this is good, this is not good. Yeah, here's the channel you should go uh join up. Um the NFA review channel, he has the best reviews out there. So if you want to go pick something out, watch what he says about it first. It's great.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:20

Yeah, yeah. So that I I just I wanted to get that out there before we keep going. As I one, I really thank you. Because it a lot of guys in your position, they wouldn't give us the time of day. They wouldn't come on and talk to cops because one, they might think we're gonna ambush them, which I would never fucking do. Um, I've we've had so many people on here that I would consider you know the the push against cops. And there's no way I would ever do that. Um, but two, uh I generally want it, I want to have these conversations so I can understand. I I need to understand where you're coming from, where the mission set started, and and why you do what you do. Because when we have these conversations, now people that argument that they're a frauditor and they're just out there to cause some shit. I'm like, listen to this interview, listen to us talk to this guy. Tell me, tell me that this was just because he wants to go start some shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:15

If you want to take it down to the bone, right? I think this country's screwed. History demands it. History says so, and the path we're on. We are we are going through that. We're on step six or whatever it is for that steps of democracy, right? Um, so my ultimate I don't think I I'm gonna do what change I can and make things better as far as I can. I'll go for case law that might change the country, do what I can on that. But I don't expect it to change things around to the point where things actually get fixed. So at this point, this is leaving a record for the next generation. So when constitution number two gets written, if the world is still a place and the internet's still a thing, and we haven't blown ourselves back that far into time, um the guys who write constitution round two will start handling some of the stuff at the beginning and learning the lessons from us and what we got wrong or just what we didn't think of to write in 300 years ago because it just wasn't something we thought of. We thought shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. Turns out you need to say a little bit more to keep the assholes from getting away with stuff, or at least push it, push it back a little bit farther in time until you go through that cycle too.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:30

My favorite way to point out like just how times have changed, and that you guys are gonna laugh at this, but you want to you want to tell people how times have changed. Go back to when this country first started and tell them that we sell bottled water. I mean, think about it. Remember when bottled water first came out? I was like, who's gonna buy? I can go to the hose and get water.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:53

Yeah let me okay, how many people in this country do you think who aren't total book nerds know what small beer is?

SPEAKER_08 1:53:03

Ooh, I don't know what small beer is.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:06

That's the watered down beer they drink instead of water.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:11

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:11

Yeah, you know, you know, for like the last what 2,000 years, water wasn't considered safe to drink. So you drink beer, right? So the watered down beer that is just alcoholic enough to make it safe, the water safe to drink, but not enough to get you drunk, that was called small beer. Oh, I didn't know that. So if you're going if you're going to the bar to get drunk, you ask for beer. If you're going to the bar and you just want to have something to drink along with the food you're ordering, you order a small beer. Ah. Or that's what you let the kids drink too.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:47

Okay, fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:49

Okay. See, I this is I knew you were gonna be a good guest because I was gonna learn some shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:53

Listen, anybody who's not some kind of book nerd reading old books or new books that talk about stuff in the 1600s. They never know that word. They never knew that term.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:04

I did know that they drank beer because the water was never safe to drink, but um, I and I had never heard the term small beer, so that's interesting. Very cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:11

Yeah, it's I just

Building A Record For The Future

SPEAKER_05 1:54:13

this conversation just made me think of my childhood. You know, I can remember like playing down the street and all of a sudden I got thirsty and I ran up, like I didn't even know who lived at this house. And it was like, oh, I just ran up there and got a drink from the water hose. Now I can see kids getting arrested for that. Like well shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:32

You I grew up in Flint.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:34

Like, like yeah, well, yeah. Flint.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:38

Have y'all seen the Trinidad have y'all seen the Trinidad water thing going on? You didn't know about Otto getting arrested again? Oh, yeah, I didn't know Otto got arrested again. Yeah, I actually we texted back and forth. Yeah, that's over the water down in Trinidad. They've arrested the woman for Facebook post.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:55

Yeah, the lady made a Facebook post.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:57

Yeah. And then so auto went over there and got arrested, and then the next CJ's his lawyer, um, and uh Grable now too, and CJ's the lawyer for her for everything. That's um went down there the next day, and the cops said they'd arrest him for saying fuck. So yeah, they they they told they told a couple of civil attorneys they'd be arrested if they said fuck on the steps of City Hall.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:21

Um yeah, and who's the comp who's the complaining party? That's what I would ask.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:26

Oh, um, nobody. The during the arrest, the police chief was saying that the water clerk was the one who was the complainant. Yeah, she wouldn't, she wouldn't sign on to the complaint and they fired her. Oh, no shit. She said she wasn't offended and didn't want to make a complaint and didn't make a complaint right then. I do need her.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:46

Some cities have city uh ordinances about offensive language where you can be cited, not not necessarily arrested, but you could be cited for it. Um, but being arrested for offensive language in general, again again, it's against the First Amendment. Um it's gotta be fighting words.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:06

That's um something I've been fighting too. The uh Corpus, the mayor, yeah, arrested a girl for saying goddamn. And again, so that that got me involved. And we're doing the same thing all across the country now where people are getting arrested for saying naughty words at public meetings. The ruling on that goes back to 1972, Supreme Court uh New Jersey case at a school board.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:29

Yeah, you you you can tell the school board to fuck off.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:32

Right. Well, the second that you can put naughty words on any kind of uh federal communications that just allowed you to say it's okay to do because you know there's federal law on what words you can and can't put over aired weights. I get some different lights going. Yeah, and so you can say whatever you want to say, like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:55

It's uh that's not working, yeah. From behind is gonna be bad. Yeah, um, but yeah, I I am I'm with you for one on that. I try to tell people all the time. I I've actually posted probably at least 10 videos of cops trying to threaten people or actually making arrests based on language where I'm like, you can't nobody was offended for one. Like even if you were going to use it, you got to find somebody that's offended. You as a cop can't be offended.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:25

Yeah, that that's just the way they're and even the this it there's still too many statutes that say being offended is enough when the case law says it's not, and uh and but the all the cops all the cops see in the statute is

Trinidad Water Protests And Speech Arrests

SPEAKER_02 1:57:38

offended and they don't read the rest of it. They think if somebody's offended, you're going to jail. So they go look they go looking for somebody who's offended, and there's been so many cases on that that they they they lose almost every time because it's just blinking them in the face. It's been ruled on, you can't do it anymore, they still do it. Yeah. So yeah. So yeah, um I think now um the Hodge twins have covered it. The New York Post covered it yesterday.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:07

I love the Hodge twins.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:09

Yeah. So um uh That's my favorite when they're eating in the car together. Yeah. And then um what is his name? Is covering it now, so the frogs are gonna get being turned gay by the water. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:27

Oh man, Alan's drinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:30

That makes sense. Alex Jones. Alan's gonna get it. Yeah, so Alex Jones, Alex Jones is tweeting the story out now. So yeah, it's it's going pretty big.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:38

That's funny. I mean, the dude, he's people laugh, but time is always told. He's you do right.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:45

You see any of the backstory on the cops for there?

SPEAKER_09 1:58:48

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:49

Police chief's been at 10 different departments in the last 13 years, and every other officer in that police department has been at somewhere between 10 and 25 departments in their careers. This okay, it's an entire it's an entire town of gypsy cops. Every single one of them.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:06

This goes back into my thing about how there needs to be a national registry for anybody that applies to be a cop or becomes a cop. It needs to be a national registry. There needs to be it needs to show your entire record, no matter what. So then when you do, if you do become one of those cops and you're wandering place to place and you become the next Sonia Massey in the boiling water incident, like that cop should have never been hired. Should have never been hired. It was like his sixth department, and I think like one of he'd been in like several departments within a year.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:37

I think one of the cops in Trinidad is over 20.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:40

That is insane. That is insane. Now, I the are there outliers? There's always outliers for things. Like if you're if your wife's a traveling, I I don't know why I went with a wife, but this is if your wife's a traveling nurse, that's a big my wife's a nurse, so I know about this. But you could be a traveling nurse, traveling nurse, and you go do the the police thing in other places, you just follow wherever your wife goes, uh or or her husband, if your husband's a traveling nurse. But um I get that stuff, but that is so way, way outside the the realm of normal. Like it's still there needs to be a national registry. If you get fired, hired, quit, whatever it is. If you've ever tried to be in first responder world, there needs to be a record of that. Why you got investigated, why your whole jacket, all of that all needs to be there. And I think it's in incredibly crazy that we don't have that.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:29

Yeah, Brady list isn't good enough, going off of what Ryan says. That they'll still put cops on that'll still go out and mess with them. They just won't uh if you take it to trial, then your case gets dropped.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:41

Well, and though there's a whole different problem with the Brady.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:44

The Brady list can be political.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:45

That can be politically jacked up and it's fucked up. Like you were talking earlier, there's a problem with the court court system, and the Brady list is not, it's it's an out to get you program, and yeah, it's not doing the right thing.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:00

I learned a lot about the Brady list. Um, I I did not realize I thought one, I thought the Brady list was national. It's not, it's just that county. Um, and if you have a fucking crazy corrupt county, and let's say you're that one cop. Yeah, and you stood up against you could be a cop that gets Brady listed because that the politics are out to get you. Um but uh Arios sent five bucks in the super chat, said, Yeah, merely uh being merely offended isn't enough. And there has to, and there has to be some true threat. There has to be some true threat, I think that's what they meant, or something that would bring ordinary person to violence.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:40

I filed criminal charges against the mayor of Corpus over the language thing.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:44

Really?

SPEAKER_02 2:01:45

Well, you go read the open meetings act because of so many uh county clerk, county judges, and school boards and mayors kicking people out and arresting them for naughty words. They changed the open meetings act like what, six years ago, and added in under no circumstances can you stop somebody from using critical words or saying critical things

Open Meetings Act And Official Oppression

SPEAKER_02 2:02:09

about the agency or whatever the subject is, unless those words in themselves violate a statute or law. So pretty much you can say whatever the hell you want as long as it's not a criminal threat or something else that breaks the law. We had to add that into the Open Meetings Act, which means that violating that is now knowingly violating somebody's rights, which is the definition of official oppression.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:35

So I filed criminal official oppression charges against the mayor because it's her policy. If you say goddamn or fuck or shit, she's going to kick you out of the meeting and have you arrested if you don't stop talking. So we'll see if that actually goes anywhere, if the AG's office takes it up.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:53

But I I think it'd be a pretty good way to stop these mayors and school board uh members and whatever from having people arrested for saying fuck if they get arrested too.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:05

I would I would hope that the cops would be like, I'm not arresting them for that.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:09

I would hope No, the the um the corpus cops wouldn't even take the report when it when I tried to file it against her. Corpus cops wouldn't even take the report. I had to go to the sheriff.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:19

No shit. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:21

Yeah, they wouldn't even take the report. They they straight up said right there, she can it's you violated the rules and even said you actually violated the law. We're just not charging you with it, and so we're not going to even take the report against the mayor.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:34

Damn. Yeah, that's crazy. Gotta be neutral.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:38

Yep, gotta be neutral.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:40

That's it.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:41

Another cop, another cop, another old is an old school cop who said I should have been arrested for disorderly conduct, but they won't let me.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:48

Jesus. Wow. Well, Matt, um, I don't I I I'm gonna give you the option, sir. We've had you on here for two hours. Um I normally now we we go to some videos that we've posted and kind of discuss those. You're more than welcome to hang out and do those. I don't know if you have some okay, cool. Nothing else needs to be said then.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:10

Um uh people just let me go turn some lights on.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:13

Okay, yeah, no worries. Um, people, if you've got questions for Matt or anything like that, uh please put them in the chat. Um, we'll get to them as we go. Uh, but I am going to do what we do here. We uh we talk about the videos that we've shared throughout the week. Um so I'm gonna get to the first one, which is uh AI has been killing it for me for the thumbnails, by the way. I really like I really like the thumbnails that it's been able to create. Uh so I've been getting better at them. So I'm gonna click on this guy here. Everyone loves officer discretion until it turns into two funerals.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:53

So that's your registration, right?

SPEAKER_06 2:04:54

The reason for your fight.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:58

I know, that's why I stopped him. Man, that's why I stopped him. That's why I stopped you for driving, carefully driving, speedy at the lake. Okay, you're doing at least a hundred people.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:10

After giving this couple a break, this officer is going to make his decision instantly.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:15

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Are they alright?

SPEAKER_08 2:05:29

This is all right. So the uh the topic on this is discretion. And I it's kind of been the theme for the week of a lot of the stuff that I put out there. Is uh when what is the line? What's the line for a lot of people? Now, Matt, a kid doing over a hundred, and you got a third-party complaint come in where a lady comes up concerned, and the officer even seen it with his own eyes, like that this kid was driving just crazy. Uh 100 miles an hour plus, and then it ended up being fatal for both of them after the cop tried to cut them loose. And the point that I was trying to make is that had the cop like you could be arrested for that. That is what is called criminal speeding. Not to mention you got a third-party complaint, but there's also that side of me that's like you don't have it it's speeding, it's a s it's a traffic ticket. It's you know, it's not at the end of the day, where's the real victim? That's gonna be kind of one of the arguments. Had the cop done everything that he could have done, this young lady in the passenger seat would still be alive at least. Uh but then the argument's gonna be that it's just a revenue getter and trying to do all this stuff. So discretion doesn't have a fine it's a

Switching To Weekly Video Reviews

SPEAKER_08 2:06:51

gray area, right? So what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 2:06:54

Um I I say that's not even a gray area. Take the car.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:58

Take the car, okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:59

So that that's that's I I've been driving 16 years, man. I've seen too many people dead for discretion on the bullshit stuff, yeah. Fine. But there's there's just for me, there's a bright line where you start endangering the public. And that that even if you're this kind of person that say there's no victim, so you can't do the victimless crime, and that's your hard line, at that point you're endangering the public. So uh drunk drivers is the same thing. Um, like what you got over in Tennessee where they're arresting people who aren't drunk, it completely crosses the line. But I've seen too many dead people because of drunk drivers to say drunk drivers is fine until you shouldn't be arrested until you kill somebody or you crash. That's yeah, that that that's bullshit.

SPEAKER_08 2:07:45

Yeah, and and I would say in this one, for me and Alan probably feels the same. Like, I would have held that guilt. Like, even though I know it wasn't officially on me, it's uh it's on the driver, he's the one that was responsible. But I think based on the information given during the stop, the fact that you had a third-party person stop and say, they almost hit somebody on a bike, this guy's driving crazy. I would have at least tried to do some sort of DWI check just to see. What do you think, Alan?

SPEAKER_05 2:08:20

No, I completely agree. I actually have a um past co-worker. I

Discretion Call That Ends In Death

SPEAKER_05 2:08:26

I left and went to work for a different agency for like three months. And um, while I was there, the officer um pulled over a young lady that had ran a stop sign in front of the school that we worked at. It was like 12 o'clock at night. He was doing security checks on all the buildings. And at 4 a.m., about 100 miles north of where we were located, um, he was involved in a lawsuit for two years because uh they found the traffic ticket that he had issued her for the traffic stop. And so he had to deal with it because this young lady killed um everybody in her car and another vehicle killed everybody in that vehicle. But you know, he held that guilt because he's like, she wasn't intoxicated when I dealt with her, but you know, could have I done more, like would have I, you know, me by doing something would have it had stopped all this stuff. And uh, you know, he had a great conversation with her on his camera, all these different things to prove that she wasn't slurring her words, all this stuff. But you know, the what the lawsuit was saying was well, she didn't have time to for where the fatality happened, she would have had to have almost started drinking after he pulled her over. And you know, that's where they tried to hang him up with it. But it was he he lived that guilt, still living with that guilt that six people were killed because of her drinking, and and the only way they were able to prove him back to where she started from was the traffic ticket was laying in the passenger seat.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:04

Yeah, yeah. Matt would be you want a per you want a perfect example from me recording last night? Yeah, downtown Oklahoma last night, bar district, right? Um, cops have somebody pulled over. Well, we think it's pulled over, so we start walking up. Hotel concierge is out front, a little wary of us walking by, but starts talking and tells us, yeah, she's drunk. I'm like, oh, DDWI. Okay, well, we're gonna watch what happens, we're gonna record. And he comes up and tells us, yeah, she walked by me falling down drunk, literally fell down four times. So I asked her for her keys and she handed them over saying, Arrest me, officer. He's the concierge, and then gets in her, and then gets in her car, and he calls the cops. So when we get there, cops already decided before we showed up, she's drunk as hell, but she doesn't have the car keys, even though she's in the front seat now. Yeah, I'm gonna let her call for a friend to pick her up.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:02

I'm okay with that. It's great.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:04

And it wasn't like a reaction to us showing up recording. He'd already decided that when we got there and we we found out just listening.

SPEAKER_09 2:11:10

That's perfect.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:11

Every everybody drew the line. Member of the public saw somebody who's so drunk they're gonna kill somebody, so does what they need to stop them. But the cops decide she hasn't broken the law yet because she doesn't have her keys anymore, and we're gonna let her get a ride to go home instead of ruining our life.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:27

Yeah, yeah. I I'm I'm a hundred percent with that. No harm at that.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:32

That was that was that was last night. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:34

You prove it.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:35

I think that's one of the biggest things that I struggle with with our communities, is our community has to step up and do something for the community and support the community. You know, the community I live in, there's 15 police officers. If people go and completely get into a riot, things like that, the officers can't do anything. They need to support the community, be the best. Uh witnesses, those type of things, you know. You know, if you're vigilant and you see something that's out of place, hey, let people know. Like, I think that's one of the problems is everybody are so focused on their little bubble, and they don't, you know, so we've let it get out of hand, and we're not helping commute police the community as citizens. And you know, I I love what you're doing, you're helping holding people accountable, but at a certain point, we have to hold each other accountable as a citizen, not uh, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:35

I I have the same argument with my dad. He's old school, the parents don't like what I'm doing just because it's me. They don't want their kid being the one out there taking the risks. I was talking about caring, and when you use the gun, and he's like, gas station, something's going down, I'm just getting my family out and not getting involved. And I'm like, if somebody's life's in danger, I'm stepping in. That's just the way I see it. It's the it's part of the community responsibility. Unless I'm in, you know, some slave state like California, then go to hell because you decided you

DUI Intervention Without Ruining Lives

SPEAKER_02 2:13:05

don't want my help. Um, but yeah, this is gas station robbery and the guys talking about taking everybody in the back, which is when they start shooting people usually, I'm stepping in. And my dad would be like, just get out. I'm like, this, yeah, you you you gotta there's there's a community responsibility. It's not just up to the cops to do the right thing all the time. Regular people gotta step them to do the right thing too.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:28

Yeah, I agree. Um, in that that's kind of one of the premises for what we do here, Matt, is I realized a long time ago in policing that if you count on the police to do everything, it ain't gonna work. Like that like I understand that's our job. Our job is to try to help qualm crime and all that. But if if that's your dependency, you're gonna be left wanting. And at the same time, the citizens can't go out and do it, they're not trained for it. That's not what they're there for. But together, that's where the sweet spot is. I need you, I don't need you to go out there and fight the crime as a citizen. It's awesome when you do, and I really appreciate it when you're successful at it. But at the bare minimum, I just need you to help me do it. Like, tell me, all right, I need you to report things. That's a first start. Because you know, snitches get stitches, right? And not report some things, right? And not thank you, thank you, because that's another one. I had um I I actually I could show you the video. Uh, we had a I call her the Super Karen, like because she the she this lady, she goes into she's yelling at people for setting up uh a little taco stand at the park, and she's losing her shit. I want to see your permit. I'm calling the police. Da da da like she's going off on these guys, and then meanwhile, behind her, another group lets off some fireworks. So while she's trying to yell at these guys for having an illegal taco stand, uh, she turns around and she's like, You can't have fireworks in the park. I'm calling the police. And they're playing the national anthem. It's the funniest shit ever. I mean, it can't get more American. This lady is bitching at both sides. Meanwhile, they're playing the national anthem and honoring the country and all this stuff for her freedom to go around and start complaining about them having the freedom to do it. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:18

Uh I I loved cop watching on July 4th in Corpus back when I could listen to the scanner. And I'd keep record of how many false shots-fired calls there were, and it's like 40 to 1 on July 4th.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:30

Oh my god. We don't even take it's fun. We don't even take shots-fired calls.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:34

There'd be there'd be there'd be like two calls during the night where like, yeah, they started shooting at my house and there's bullet holes in the wall.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:41

So you know that there'd be two calls during the night.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:43

That's legit in the night.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:46

Yeah, that's legit. Okay. Let me um I didn't intentionally do this, but um I did have a couple of dog videos. So I'm going to share the screen. Uh Matt, I don't know about you, but um are you a truck driver that has a dog with him?

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No.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:05

Oh, those are the coolest.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:06

Too many, too many restricted locations, and it adds a lot of your takes up a lot of your time and money.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:13

Yeah, fair enough. I just I'm I'm the type of guy who could never go without a dog, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:18

I'm I'm a dog person. It's just if if I wanted to have a dog, I wouldn't be a truck driver.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:23

Gotcha. Gotcha. I I do don't let okay, I'm just gonna write it in the comments. Don't let me forget to ask Matt this special question. I'm gonna put it right there so everybody holds me accountable. After this video, and we watch this and we talk about it. I want to ask you this special question, so I don't want people to I don't want to forget. All right, let's uh tip it. Cops run into a burning home. All right, let me stop this. Okay, so I, for one, they they there's been a lot of push lately that I've been seeing, at least in my feeds and stuff, oh, cops shoot 25 dogs a day, or whatever it is. And I'm like, well, cops save a lot of animals, and I've seen it, I've been a part of it. Shit, I rescued a little Shetland pony that ran all the way over to Walmart and put him in the backseat of the car. Uh that picture is still going around. Oh my god. Yeah, it was uh it was pretty cool. Um, but to my point, is cops rescue way more animals than they harm. I and that has been I I don't put my I don't put my line in the sand too often, but this is one I have witnessed personally over and over and over again is cops generally are animal lovers, at least in in the experience that I've had, and I have not seen where they are just shooting animals left and right for no reason. But question period exclamation point have we shot animals that was bullshit like that blind deaf one? That's like the best example I can give.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:31

The female cop with the rifle, yes, yeah. Or the the one that just happened where um he said the door was open and I didn't hear the dog barking serving it. Yes, and yeah, that yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:44

So you so you violated their rights. Yeah, I watched it. I I see you watch

Cops Saving Animals And Dog Encounters

SPEAKER_08 2:18:50

all the same shit. So, yes, are there examples of cops doing some dumb shit? Yes, I fully acknowledge that. And and shit that pisses me off, especially everybody that watches my content. You usually see my Doberman and my my pointer somewhere running around in the back while I'm filming. Um, matter of fact, this video I posted today has stepped in their shit. So I am a dog lover. I sat 20 minutes on top of my patrol car because a pack of hood dogs ran around the corner after ending a I Matt, you're gonna love this. I want you to picture a bullshit domestic because a Karen called in. They were yelling at each other, right? And she's like, he's beating her ass. So I get there, look up their criminal history as I'm going. And there's no history here. It's just a Karen calling in on them. I get there and they're like, they were even surprised I was there. It was one of those things. You know it when you see it. They're like, somebody called the cops and us yelling at each other, and yeah, yeah. I was like, all right, well, I'm gonna leave. So I leave, I'm walking, and there's a pack of about 13 dogs. Um, I say about it specifically was 13 dogs. How do I know that? I had 20 minutes to count them. So they come around the corner and immediately start hauling ass towards me. I'm like, oh fuck. So I run, I jump on top. I'm in a crown vic. I jump on top of the hood, then on top of the light bar on top of my car. And a couple dogs, pit bulls, um, were trying to get up on the hood, but they, you know, their nails and shit, they just couldn't get a good grip. So they're just circling. Well, then 20 minutes later, I'm like, they're not fucking leaving, they're just circling the vehicle. And it's everything from Chihuahuas, because we're in Texas, to mongrels, like I don't know what they fuck they were, to two big ass pit bulls. They were bells. Yeah. And so finally, one of these dogs gets so frustrated, he starts pulling on the wheel well. And I'm like, oh shit, he's gonna pull it off. So I get my pepper spray out, and I'm like, I wonder if this works on dogs. So I spray, and and it does. It yeah, absolutely works on them. I should have thought of that a lot earlier. I thought I could just outweigh him, and let's be honest, I just didn't feel like taking a call. So if somebody called for me, I'd be like, I'm stuck on my car. I didn't want anybody to know. So uh, yeah, so these fucking hood dogs. I could have had every reason to shoot them damn dogs, and I chose the path of least resistance for me. Like, there's no way I'm gonna do that. Uh oh.

SPEAKER_10 2:21:15

You didn't want to be the guy calling in over the radio that you're getting attacked by a turkey.

SPEAKER_08 2:21:19

Yeah, uh, that's that is a so I grew up in Michigan. That's a real thing. Turkeys are dicks, they're dicks. I don't care who you are.

SPEAKER_10 2:21:28

It's a pretty good video.

SPEAKER_08 2:21:29

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it was. I I I love his little banter back and forth with dispatch. That was a pretty funny video. So, um, but to the point on this one, uh, going into a burning house, one firefighters hate it when cops go into burning buildings because we're idiots and we don't understand the dynamics of fire. And when I praised this, one of the first things a firefighter sent me a private message is like, you do realize when you kick that door open, you just fuel fire for the entire house, and you're lucky that a bunch of fire doesn't come and burn you in your little polyester uniform. And I'm like, fuck you, I'm gonna go save a dog. Like, that's what I'm gonna do. Should have gotten there sooner.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:07

Yeah, quit playing your Xbox and get in the truck.

SPEAKER_08 2:22:11

Firefighters, aka second responders, it's cool. Shots fired.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:20

So Wade on there, wait. I'm I'm friends with Long Island. We talk a lot, so yeah, I've I've seen that video.

SPEAKER_08 2:22:27

Yeah, yes, yeah. Long Island's a good dude, man. I we gotta get him back on here. We gotta get some updates. Yeah, it's been a little while. He's been in Texas. I got mad. I sent him a text.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:36

I was like, hey, I've never managed, I've never actually managed to meet him in person. Every time he's in Texas, I'm in like freaking Nebraska or some shit. We can never come across each other.

SPEAKER_08 2:22:44

I'm just like, tell me you're in town.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:46

Oh yeah. He he likes working alone. He does, yeah. Him, Jeff, and a couple other guys like working alone.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:52

Yeah, but they eat. I mean, and cops love to eat, so you know.

SPEAKER_08 2:22:57

Yeah, that's very true. Um, all right. Let me oh shit, that's not what I wanted. Um, let me share the screen here. I think you guys are gonna like this one too. We're on the dog theme, right? So I want I definitely want to know what your thought is on this, Jeff. Uh we were just talking about Jeff. Matt. Sorry about that. Let me go all the way. This is the side of policing, the algorithm never pushes. Now you can see the dog heavy panting. I I can't tell you how satisfying that was for me to know that she actually got arrested and not just a talking to. Um because I know a lot about dogs, uh, specifically because I've been a cop and I've one of my big concerns being a cop in Texas is like, what do we do with our canines to make sure that that never happens? Like, that's one of the things I always wondered. So I talked to canines. We have like there's like three batteries in their vehicles that's dedicated to the air conditioning unit just in case one fails. Like, there's all these backup things to make sure this never happens to police canine. But then they explain to me what the dynamics are about heat in a vehicle and dogs the way dogs' body temperature is regulated. One, they can't really sweat, they sweat a little bit through their paws, and then obviously they use panting. But they run naturally a little bit hotter, and then heat. So although the windows were cracked, and I don't know, you can't see my hands, although the windows were cracked, heat gets trapped ambiently low, like in the vehicles. So the dogs can't escape that. They can't they can't feel that cross. That's why that dog's face was in the window the as best as it could be. So people don't realize it. Dogs, one, they run hot naturally, they run a little bit hotter than humans, but their their overheating temp is still the same as ours. So they're running hotter and they can't sweat like we can. So it's really dangerous. Dogs can overheat really quickly. Now, my question to you, Matt, is should we be able to encroach on somebody's vehicle for things like I'm obviously, you know, I'm a dog lover, so I'm gonna say, yeah, my feelings are in this one. My bias is in this one, so I admit it. But what's your thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 2:26:23

Yeah, you can. I mean, there's just there's I've seen it on both sides where the dog was perfectly fine. And some Karen decided that they gotta rescue the dog and do something stupid. And I've seen it where, yeah, the person needs to go to jail. There's a pretty easy line. If it's not safe for a toddler to be in there, it's not safe for a dog to be in there.

SPEAKER_08 2:26:44

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And so for me, I just I I just was curious, is this a line that you draw? Because it's I mean, essentially we're invading somebody's.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:54

Oh, yeah, here's here would be here's my problem, right? Um somebody kills a canine, you get felony charged for killing a police officer.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:03

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:04

If the cop kills the canine, you don't.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:07

Yeah. And that's happened.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:09

Yeah, I know. I'm bringing it up. It's happened multiple times. This happened in Texas not too long ago. Yeah, it's just that that's that's where I see the double standard being.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:17

Yeah. And both times you can argue like that wasn't my intent. I didn't mean to. Well, it's not their intent to kill their own dog either.

Hot Car Dog Rescue And Breaking Glass

SPEAKER_08 2:27:24

They're just idiots.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:25

I I don't think anybody should be charged for killing an animal as much as they should be charged for killing a human being. But I also don't think you should get off scot-free if you that's what you do.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:35

But we we got a lot of people who are putting animals and people on the same footing as far as the law goes. And uh for emotion, go think whatever you want. For the law, there does this have to be a different level. Can you break somebody's car window out, whether you're a cop or a bystander, if the dog's gonna die? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:54

Yeah. I'm with you. All right. Let's uh we're gonna end the night. It's uh we're at two and a half hours, and I appreciate you for sticking with us. But we're at two and a half hours. I got a weapons call for you. So this is how we're gonna end it. Um let me pull this up.

SPEAKER_10 2:28:11

Don't forget your question.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:13

Oh, okay. You're right. Let me go back. I did forget. So, Matt.

SPEAKER_10 2:28:18

Is it Ryan?

SPEAKER_08 2:28:19

This is the golden question for a truck driver. Okay, you've been a truck driver 16 years. Is it true that you get flashed a lot?

SPEAKER_02 2:28:29

No.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:30

No, okay, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:33

Not anymore. Maybe maybe the more old school guys back in the C V days. There's not even many lot lizards left, dude. No, yeah, no. That's we're we're talking like there's maybe three or four cities in this country where you'd see lot lizards rocking the parking lot. That's it. It's really it things have changed a lot. Now, well, it's because now if you wanted one of those, I'm sure you you're some dumbass who goes on uh the classifieds or something or Instagram and just calls a phone number to get one to come to you. And then you end up in jail because it's a cop sting.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:07

I was just curious because I remember I told you my uncle was a truck driver, and I remember him telling me he's like the greatest job in the world. He's like after the Navy, he was like, I just drive down the freeway. He's like, girls showing me all the time. I was like, what? Really? That's a thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:21

So maybe maybe 20 years ago it was.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:23

Yeah, I'm talking back in the late 80s, early 90s.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:27

Yeah, yeah. No, it's it every once in a while, yeah. But not not so much less. Everybody's got cameras. You're gonna flash the truck that's got four cameras on it.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:37

Fair.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:39

Fair. All right. Last video for the night, folks. Um, let me uh resize this.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:53

If I drove through Sturgis, maybe that's easier.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:56

What's that? Oh, if you drove through your sturgis.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:58

If you're driving through Sturgis, you'd probably get a lot more.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:01

Yeah, fair enough. All right, let me hit this real quick. Senior prank water gun war almost turns deadly.

SPEAKER_04 2:30:07

That kid's family should be planning a funeral right now. That's how close it was.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:18

Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Get on the ground.

unknown 2:30:23

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:24

Bro, holy crap, you're good, dude. You scared.

SPEAKER_04 2:30:26

I'm looking for people stealing cars. Oh my god. I'm sorry, I am Oh my goodness. Bro, bro, you just scared the absolute dog of me. I'm a very lucky guy. I'm not mad at you. You are a very lucky guy.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:39

All right, if you're not familiar with it. Alright. So basically, this officer was called to the area because there's people possibly burglarizing vehicles. It was this kid, and they have this senior prank now. Apparently, this this I guess this was done in the past. I've never heard of this prank, but it's really big right now. Where to the point where they have apps and stuff where they have everybody that's on the hit list, and you can see where people are, and if you're wearing certain things, then you can't be shot, but other times you can be like it's crazy. And it's the last one standing. It's like a senior assassin prank. Well, and it's with water guns. And this cop was literally thought he was looking for a car burglar, thought he was on his trail, and then all of a sudden, this fucking senior pops up out of nowhere with a gun in his hand, water pistol, but you can see how shit could go south real quick. And now the question is would this cop have been chastised or would people blame him if had he had shot? So I'm I'm I'm gonna lean on you first, Matt. Like in this scenario.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:51

I'd say yes. I I think their ROEs for cops are way too loose. That's just uh that that one that that would be getting into the gray area.

SPEAKER_08 2:32:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:01

But I I'm on the lines of it should be more like the military. You gotta be shot at first. Not quite that tight, but that's more towards the side of things I lean towards because stupid shit like that happens. And and fake guns are a thing, and it's just it it we we've had way too many cops that just shoot on reaction without thinking maybe they thought they saw something. And I just I I think it's it's it's way too loose on the ROE. But yeah, I would say that's that's where you get into the gray area. That's where it's up, it's

Senior Assassin Prank Nearly Gets Shot

SPEAKER_02 2:32:37

up to the jury to decide, not the DA.

SPEAKER_09 2:32:41

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:42

That's where I say that that that that's the that's the one the line where you leave it up to the jury of peers and not somebody else higher up saying yes or no.

SPEAKER_08 2:32:49

Yeah. Now, what I really loved in this video, by the way, this is the video I stepped in dog shit, um which is hilarious because the officer said you scared the dog shit out of me, and I stepped in dog shit. So what are the odds? Um, and what I loved about it, and this was the whole reason I showed it, was that officer's ego. You could tell the the adrenaline hit him, he had no fucking clue what he was getting into, and that's why he was like, get on the ground, get on the ground, get on the ground. He got stuck in that oodaloop because he didn't know what to say. He didn't know what to do. He was still trying to figure out what the fuck just happened because this kid just pops it. That that doesn't happen. That's not a normal thing day to day. And when you think, you already it's no different than when you go hunting and you're out in the woods and you're sitting up in your deer stand and you hear movement, you just keep seeing movement. A fucking squirrel all of a sudden kind of looks like a deer. Like you just like it ha anybody that's hunted knows exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. So it or you go fishing, and every fish you swear, or the tip of your rod just moves. Yeah, you're like, that's a big one, and then you you start to do a couple reels, and you're like, oh wait, no, it's just I'm an idiot. Yeah, I don't. It's a tiny ass fish. So same thing with this. Like, I think he was catching up to what his what he saw and what his brain was processing. And then finally, he this is what I loved about that officer. The ego didn't take over. He didn't go into the fuck are you doing to get on the fucking ground? Like, drop it, drop it, drop it. He didn't go into that because he was wrong. He went into it and went, Oh my God. Okay, we're both we're both very lucky. Let's just let's just kind of live in this moment where we acknowledge, like, okay, you did something dumb. I did something, you know, luckily he didn't do something crazy. You're good. We're cool. Like the ego didn't take over. Like he was very real about what was going on. And I loved his reaction because now I think he just instilled a lot of trust in that kid with police, just in that one interaction. Because the kid was like, I'm sorry, that was stupid.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:49

Like, also, hopefully taught him pranks like that are a bad idea in America.

SPEAKER_08 2:34:53

Yeah, yeah. That's another thing that I was saying. I was like, You're definitely not winning any Darwin points.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:59

Uh it's the the reason, let me put it this way. The reason I know we need to up the percentage of people carrying in this country a lot more than what we've got right now is because there's too many prank channels where the fucker isn't dead yet.

SPEAKER_08 2:35:14

Yeah. I the best one is that one at the mall where the guy just shoots him right in the stomach.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:19

Yeah. There's they've they've done some really stupid over-the-top shit that actually made people fear for their lives and they're still alive. And I don't know how the hell.

SPEAKER_09 2:35:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:35:29

It's just it there's not enough people caring in this country. The latest one I've seen is at the New York Subways where they do the um I now I've never been a part of a subway thing, so please bear with me if I get this wrong. But you have to scan a card that you prepay and it will let you walk through the turnbuckle, right? Um well, these kids will come right up, and I mean pressing their their junk up on their ass and and trying to go through the turnbuckle with them. And I'm like, you are gonna prank. Yeah, you're gonna get the shit beat out of you and or shot, and it hasn't happened yet.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:05

That's it. The the um bushmen fucking love those channels. The bushmen the guys who are dressed up like a bush. Yeah, yeah, and in Florida, absolutely, but the kids who go around uh with a with a knife going at chasing you. Yeah, oh, it's a fake knife, it's a prank, it's an axe, it's fake, it's not really coming after you.

SPEAKER_08 2:36:28

Yeah, that no the ones that I remember that I liked when I was like when e-bombs world was a big thing for a little throwback for anybody that liked the e-bomb's world, is this one dude, he'd go to the hood and he'd be like, he's like, What you want something? Like he'd look at people and they'd look at him and he'd be like, What you want something? You trying to get this? And they're like, they're like, Oh, you want to throw? And he'd just he had like rip away everything, and he just mean like a speedo. He'd be like, Let's go! And he'd rip it all off. He'd be like, Let's go! And people start running from him because he's just an aspito, fucking hilarious. See, that's a good prank. Yep, yeah, you can tell he's not armed. But um that's it. That Matt, that's all I got tonight. Is there something that you wanted to convey that we haven't got across yet?

SPEAKER_02 2:37:18

Um, any big stuff. Uh if you're in Texas, start showing up to council meetings with uh firearm if you got a carry license.

SPEAKER_08 2:37:28

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 2:37:30

Um get a hold of me if you need help filing the AG complaint if you guys won't comply. But I'm I'm really looking forward to showing up to Fort Worth or Dallas and uh maybe Houston ISD. Houston ISD has been uh arresting people for saying naughty words too.

SPEAKER_08 2:37:46

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:37:48

So I've I've got I've got a little list. Like one of the other guys was talking about Conroe. Conroe went and posted 4603 signs on the front door of City Hall. Oh, no shit. Yeah. So we gotta take care of Conroe, but I want to get it all the birds of one stone, so I need to show up down there for a council meeting so I can get them for the front door sign and the meeting sign.

SPEAKER_08 2:38:07

Okay. I like it. Yeah, okay. All right, guys. Well, Matt, how can everybody find you? Where do they need to look?

SPEAKER_02 2:38:14

HBO Matt on YouTube. It's pretty much the only thing I've got. Uh emails posted there in the community tab if you need to get a hold of me or just look in one of the comments of one of the videos. But uh YouTube channel is pretty much the only thing I got going right now.

SPEAKER_08 2:38:26

Okay, sounds good. Alan, you got any closing uh statements, sir? No, glad to be back. It's been uh it's been a hot minute. So good to have you. Good to have you. Um, everybody, uh, thank you for all the donations tonight. Again, that money never goes right into our pocket, it just goes right into the show. Um, we use it for our YouTube premium and for the stuff that we use to edit. It's not like I'm sitting there with uh Bentley in the driveway from your YouTube donations, I promise you. Um, Matt, thank you very much for joining us. If you'll just stick around real quick when we end this, everybody else, have a good night. Thank you, and we'll catch you next Sunday. Take it easy.