How Online Predators Groom Kids On Snapchat And Roblox

Your kid doesn’t need to “meet a stranger” anymore to be targeted. A single friend request, a few minutes of flattery, and one impulsive photo can turn into financial sextortion, threats to expose them to classmates, and a level of shame most adults underestimate.

We sit down with Seth, a Texas ICAC detective, to break down the real-world tactics predators use online: where they hunt (Snapchat, Instagram, TikTok, Roblox, and gaming platforms), how they build trust fast, and why they almost always push kids into private or disappearing-message apps. Seth explains why paying sextortion demands doesn’t stop anything, what evidence to preserve, and why parents should avoid confronting suspects so investigators can take over accounts and build a clean case.

Then we go deeper into the uncomfortable part: most child sex abuse victims know their offender. We talk grooming behaviors that can look “nice” on the surface (favoritism, gifts, special access), how to think about risk without paranoia, and how tools like parental controls (including Bark) can alert you to sexual content, self-harm language, or dangerous conversations. We also point to practical resources like NCMEC’s Take It Down, and we share what to say to your child when they finally tell you the truth.

If you care about online child safety, sextortion prevention, and protecting teens from grooming, hit subscribe, share this with a parent who needs it, and leave a review so more families find it before it’s their crisis. What’s one phone rule you’re willing to change today?

Transcript

Safety Disclaimer And Content Warning

SPEAKER_03 0:00

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Why This Conversation Matters

SPEAKER_03 0:51

All right, welcome back, two cops, one donut. I am your host, Sergeant Eric Levine, and today I have our special guest with me, Seth, the Texas detective. How are you doing, buddy?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

I'm fantastic. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:05

Doing great. Uh, you and I have have uh we've been buddies, I guess, now for a little while on the social media. So we I I first found you, uh, discovered you over on TikTok. And anytime somebody gets on there and is claiming to be a cop, I start paying attention and my bullshit meter goes off pretty quick when I'm like, ah, this guy's full of shit. Yours did not set my bullshit meter off, and so I started looking into you. I go, not only is he not full of shit, like this guy knows his stuff. And uh I really wanted to get you on as a guest. And so for those that are wondering, um, tonight is not about blaming parents, uh blaming kids or telling any everyone to throw every phone in the trash. Okay, because you guys are gonna hear a lot of stuff about that, I'm sure. Uh, tonight's about awareness. The reality is most parents are behind the curve. They know the old stranger danger talk, but they do not understand how fast predators build trust online, how they move kids into private conversations, how sex tortion works, and how shame keeps victims silent. So, tonight we're going to talk about what parents need to know what kids are not telling them, and what to do if your child is targeted. That's kind of what I wanted to do tonight. That is his specialty. He is an ICAC, as we call it in the industry, detective. Um but I want the uh if you guys are like, why is he reading? I never read, by the way, Seth, you probably don't know that. But I read it because I really want people when they listen to this episode on our audio, I want them to know exactly what this episode's gonna be about because I think it's that important. Um cops tend to hate dealing with crimes against children because it is it's one, it's taboo, two, it uh stays in our souls, and it takes a special person to be able to handle it. I am not one of those, and I know that about myself, so that's why I never did it. Um, but guys like you deserve a lot of respect, and um you don't get the attention you guys deserve because nobody wants to hear it. They it's the it's the thing everybody wants to just turn their back to because they're like, oh, it doesn't affect me, and I don't want that in my brain. I don't blame people, I don't blame them. But um Seth, I I want you to kind of build your own credibility up here. So why don't you kind of throw your what you can with your resume? I know you're an active cop. We don't talk about our departments on here unless you want to, but go ahead and give people your background, sir.

Seth’s Path Into ICAC Work

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Yeah, so I've been in law enforcement for uh actually July 8th, coming up in just a few days will be 10 years for me that I've been licensed. So um, you know, I started out doing street work, um, doing all the things that way. And then uh there were a few calls, you know, on patrol that over time I was like, man, I wonder what came of that case with that kid, whether it be a drowning case or physical abuse or sexual abuse of a child case that I kind of wanted a little bit more um, I guess a little bit more insight to. Um, so whenever I got the opportunity to move to detectives, I took that test and uh did all the interview boards and all that stuff that way and um started just kind of taking all types of investigations. Uh nobody was really specializing in anything uh related to kids. And um, we actually had a contract with our county that I work in that they would just work those cases for us because nobody had ever been trained on that. Um so I decided to put in for different types of trainings for whether it be um unidentified um body homicides or just any type of sexual abuse of a kid case, uh investigations, um, unexplained homicides of children, all these different things, uh, unexplained deaths of children. Um and it kind of piqued the interest of my chief at the time. And he said, Hey, uh noticed you've gone to a lot of these trainings. Do you want to do that? And I was like, Absolutely. So that was in 2022, I believe, uh 2022, 2023. Um, and so I really just kind of hit the ground running from there. Um, we got to work with some really cool people and uh build some good relationships, but uh yeah, at the end of the day, I I know for a fact that a lot of people, whenever it comes to working any type of case with a kid involved, cops generally are like, oh, hands off. Like, I don't know how to talk to kids. Uh it's you know, sometimes I'll get calls from patrol officers on the way to a scene. They're like, hey, there's a kid here, what do you want me to do? I'm like, well, first get there, figure out what you got, and if you need to call me, you can. Um so anything to do with kids, it's you know, just a red flag. We're good at dealing with adults, but whenever it comes to kids, it's kind of a sensitive subject. But um, what really I think makes me passionate about it is they're so vulnerable, uh, the most innocent beings in the world, and then you have these really nasty adults, um, and even some teenagers that just they take that vulnerability and they exploit it. So um that's really you know, and I've got a couple of kids of my own, so uh I've got a soft spot for kiddos. Like I know I spoil my kids, and I think all kids should have uh some level of spoiling themselves.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

Yeah, it it you tell me if it worked the same for you, but I I know anytime I had uh a bad family domestic situation or whatever it is that a kid was involved, you come home and the first thing you do is you just go check on your kids. Like that's the that's the decompression state where you you got eyes on, you can smell them. I know that sounds weird to some people, but like the smell of the room, like all of these things help secure inside your soul that they're okay, even though you knew they were, but there's that you just can't help but put yourself in the position where you're their parent, the the of the victims, and it just I I can't I would come home every time and I just my wife would know like bed, bed, bed day, and I'm like, Yeah, I just had to check on the kids and uh see how they are.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

It's that and then when you go to some of these cases or some of these calls and you go in the house and you see toys that like you recognize from your home, right? You're like, oh, my kid has that same thing. It really um, I don't know, solidifies that feeling that you you really want to make sure you do right by that kid. Um, do everything you can to make sure that they are taken care of and that we can keep them from having to be a victim again.

SPEAKER_03 7:25

Yeah. I want to get to this question tonight. Not yet, Freeman. He's one of our regulars here. Um, but have you worked with people that find predators for you? So I don't want to touch on that yet. I want to get to it later in the episode because that is a great question. I I'm a big fan of people that like to catch predators, doesn't matter who they are, but um, I want to get into the do's and don'ts of that a little bit later. So, with that said, sir, let's jump into probably what most people are wanting to hear right off the gate, at least I do

Financial Sextortion Explained Step By Step

SPEAKER_03 7:55

as a parent. Um, what types of cases are you seeing most often right now uh for the the groomings, sextortion, fake profiles, gaming platform contact, um, child sexual abuse material trafficking or something else?

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Yeah, so uh so we see a lot, a lot of sex tortion, uh financial sex tortion, because you know there's different forms of sex tortion. Financial is what we're seeing the most of right now, and that is Can you kind of explain what it is? Yeah, so financial sex tortion is basically where the per the typical age range is about 13-year-old male to 17-year-old male, um, which I have seen some adults fall into this as well, but it's typically 13 to 17-year-old uh males. Um, they will be on whether it be Snapchat, they get a friend request or whatever their platform is that they're on, they get a friend request from uh a girl who looks like she's about the same age as this uh soon-to-be victim, and they will accept that friend request and from there they get messages, um just you know, like, hey, how's it going? Trying to build rapport with them. It's a very short rapport building phase, uh, typically, where they just try and build a relationship with that kid, try and make them relax, and then they'll move it into uh it's almost this every time. Do you want to play a game? And that game is always uh you send me a nude photograph and I'll send one back. Um if the if the victim is like, no, I don't want to do that, uh, I don't feel comfortable sending the first one, then the the sex tortioner will send a picture of a juvenile that they've taken um advantage of before, more than likely. Um, but once they get that picture of the victim, they will run with that and they'll put it on posters, I'll put it on all kinds of stuff and send it directly back to the victim and say, here's a picture of you. It says that you're a predator, that you're a pervert, that you're a sex offender, all these things. I'm gonna send a picture of your penis or whatever that thing was that you sent. I'm gonna send that out to everybody you know on your contact list from Instagram, TikTok, uh, X, whatever it may be, they'll send screenshots at all other people and then even sometimes they're school administrators and say, if you don't send me three or four hundred dollars, I'm gonna send this out. Um, so we're seeing that a lot. And one thing that I always tell people is don't pay. Um, because whether or not you pay, if they're gonna send the picture out, they're gonna send it. Um, but if they send it out and you've already paid them $2,000 because once you pay that $500, it's never enough because then they're gonna need more and more and more. Um, so if that picture's gonna come out, it's gonna come out.

SPEAKER_03 10:26

Yeah, uh I would I would recommend you just don't take pictures, guys. The internet's forever.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Yeah, and that's a that's the thing, is like, you know, I was a 13, 14-year-old boy at one time, but like just sending pictures out like that when you met some when you never met somebody in person, anyways. You just you've known this person for four or five minutes and you're already sending pictures like that. That's a big red flag.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Yeah, I and how old are you, Seth?

SPEAKER_01 10:52

I'm I'm 33.

SPEAKER_03 10:53

Okay, so I don't maybe you maybe it was a thing when you were in school, but when I was in school, the the maybe they had Next Tels, that was like the best cell phone that you had at the time where you just the most you could do is walkie-talkie to somebody, like there was no photographs or anything like that, and now these kids like it's a part of culture. I mean, they're as as soon as they can and own a phone, like they're already able to take pictures and send stuff, and they just their brains have not developed enough to understand the consequences and the finality of these decisions. So that's why parenting is so important, you guys. I mean, it really is.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Yeah, and like you had mentioned earlier, it's it's not to point fingers at the parents, but you don't know what you don't know, right?

SPEAKER_04 11:39

Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Um, but if anybody's listening here and they have kids that are going through something like that, um, the National Center for Missing Exploited Children has a tool called Take It Down, where you can take that picture of your kid as uncomfortable as it seems, you upload it to the National Center and it it will scan all the social media sites. And if that picture's out there, there's a good chance they can have it taken down.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Yeah. Um, if you guys haven't seen uh our mods, thanks, Twitchy. She's sharing um your uh your YouTube channel. He's uh got a good TikTok channel going as well. Also his uh his Instagrams. So we're gonna be sharing we'll be sharing that all night. So um yeah, I apologize.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

I tried to try to put my links on here and I was having a hard time with it.

SPEAKER_03 12:21

So no worries, it happens, man. Uh no big deal. Um okay.

Where Predators Find Kids Online

SPEAKER_03 12:26

So in that, um, what is the biggest misconception parents have about online predators?

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Uh I think it's the most obvious one that I think I hear all the time is it's not gonna happen to my kid. Um there's been a study, yeah. Uh there's been a study. I don't know who's out there counting how many predators are online at any given minute, um, but it's estimated to be about 500,000, maybe just over now. Um at any given time, there's approximately 500,000 predators online. I don't know how you really gather that number, um, but that number's been put out. So, you know, you you take however many kids are on the internet at any given time, it really isn't it doesn't seem like that big of a problem. Like, what are the odds that one of those 500,000 are going to run across my kid out of all the millions? Um, but what happens whenever it does happen? You know what I mean? Right. Like, are you prepared or is your kid is your kid prepared for that? And I think that's the biggest thing is if we don't prepare our kids and have those talks about what are safe discussions um and things that people should never tell you or ask of you, um, I think we kind of set our kids up for failure, especially just exposing them to the world. Uh see that Luna's got numbers out there, 500,000 and two. That's crazy. Um, but I I don't know. I think that's the biggest thing is people just don't think it's gonna happen to their kid. Because everybody I work with tells me that same thing. I never thought it would happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:53

So yep, exactly. Um when parents hear internet crimes against children, what do they usually picture and how wrong is that picture?

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Um whenever people think of uh like predators for ICAC, is that we're talking about yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

I I I personally think they're thinking of Chris Hansen like every single time. On TMS.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

Yeah, so uh whenever we think I don't know, and it's like you can run some of these search warrants uh for like a child pornography case, and you know, we do the whole investigation to figure out who's in the house, and um we can narrow we can usually narrow it down. Um like, oh that guy kind of fits that that thing. But um I would say what people typically think of is that it's some um computer person that has all the knowledge and stuff on how to manipulate a computer and try and hide the access that they have and stuff, but I don't think that's always the case. I mean I've worked cases involving coaches, you know, that um they've got a base understanding of it, but for the most part, I don't feel like I run across a whole lot of in-depth computer nerds to say.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Um but yeah, most of them, I mean, I've run across uh a a lot of people that really didn't have any computer backgrounds.

SPEAKER_03 15:18

Gotcha. Okay. Now when we're talking, uh, you know, I I want the parents to understand the risk, um, that age range. What who are the highest risk and then kind of the meet the immediate, and then when when can they stop you know worrying so much about what their kids are doing? But like what what would you say the age ranges are for the the most vulnerable?

SPEAKER_01 15:39

The most vulnerable? I would say probably I mean kids are I feel like kids are getting access to things earlier now. Um, but I would say in the most of most of my victims are 12 to 16, maybe 17. Um But you know, I hear of kids 18, 19 still doing the same types of things, but um, and then the youngest that I've worked a case for was seven. So um it's it's really just any any of the kids. Um, I would say if you're giving your kid access to a phone, um, they're at risk. But I would say the the majority of them that I see are probably about 10 to 17 years old.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

10 to 17. Jesus Pete.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

The ones who the ones who are having all that access to like Roblox, they're occupying all the time with Roblox or Snapchat or whatever it may be. I would say that's that's our biggest risk factor.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

Now, I've said this on the show before, and this is only because I've talked to guys like you and you know, been around, but um I want people to hear it from you. Like I try to tell people if there is something that attracts kids to it, that is where they're going to be. So video games is huge. Roblox, any of them.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you think about it, people used to be like, I don't want my kid to go to the playground because there's perverts there trying to take my kid. Unfortunately, a lot of kids don't play on playgrounds as much as they used to, um, because they are more on their computers and they have more access to different types of online gaming. And that's the thing, like predators are going to know where they they're gonna go where the kids gather the most. And that is Roblox. I I can't tell you how many times I get reports per month from Roblox.

SPEAKER_04 17:22

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Um, Roblox and Instagram, Snapchat obviously is a huge one, TikTok. Um, those are I would say probably some of the leading social media ones that I see.

SPEAKER_03 17:32

All right. We got uh Luna sent in a question here and said, What can someone who doesn't have kids do to help combat this?

Who Gets Targeted And Why

SPEAKER_01 17:42

Someone who well, uh I mean, first off, if if you run across somebody like you're on your own social media thing, you see something going on. Um, I mean, you can report, you don't have to always report things to the police, but if you think it's suspicious, like um I have people send certain things to me who are like, hey, I think this person is doing something with their kids. There's there, they do odd behavior with this child or whatever. You can report that to the National Center for Missing Exploited Children, and they will even look into it a little bit and see if something meets something there. And if it does, they will send it to wherever um that account may be based out of. Um, but I think honestly, like, I know it sounds very cliche to say, but if you see something, say something. Um, even if you don't have a kid, um, but you see a kid experiencing, and it doesn't have to just be sexual abuse, um, but you see a kid experiencing some type of physical abuse or something out and about. I mean, you're an adult, we gotta take in, we gotta step in and try to take care of our kids, um, even if they're not our own.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

Yeah, I agree. Um, and I I'll I'll I'll piggyback on that. Yeah, if you guys are seeing something, somebody, because sometimes they'll think you're a kid. Like you'll get solicited out of nowhere. Um, it could be a bot, it could be all sorts of things. But if you see it, one report it to TikTok or whoever, whatever you're on, report it to that system, and that you're probably all you're gonna do is just get that account banned and they're just gonna create a new one. Um just stifle their attempts. But the other thing that you can do is I tell people put them on blast. I I've had people reach out to me before. Um, and I I would this is this was earlier in the internet, but um, I don't think it really works as well anymore. But put them on blast. Just say, hey, this guy's creepy, he might slip in your DMs, watch out for him, and take a little screenshot. Um, if it is a real person and they're just getting into this stuff and they haven't done their homework and they're idiots, then a little public pressure never hurt nobody. So um, let me see. What other questions have we got here? Um, how often do offenders pretend to be another kid?

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Oh, uh, I mean, it happens all the time. Um, because if you think about it, a kid's probably not going to openly like if we're talking on an online sense, um, yeah, a kid's not going to want to just go out and talk to a 45-year-old man. Um, but with the use of AI and stuff like that, it's not very hard to pretend that you're a 12-year-old little girl um and have access to the same things as these kids have access to, because all kids' minds think of is they want friends, whether they're not able to make friends out at school or on their baseball team or whatever it may be, softball team, if they can make friends online, then it means something to them. And yeah, uh these predators, they know that they know how to build that relationship with the kid. So I would say almost every time that um I've worked a case of online sex torsion or anything like that, it's it's involved somebody pretending to be a juvenile.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

Okay. Um, I wanna I kind of want to get into to how and who they target. Um, I'll give a shout out to Mr. Billfold here in the chat. He said, Hey folks, I'm in the chat now. He's one of our regulars, uh, to all our regulars, what's going on, guys? Um, so let's get into the into the vulnerable. Now, we know the age range, but there's always particular types of kids they're looking for. And they're asking specific questions and they're it's like grooming process of them trying to figure out if this is the proper target or not. Um what type of kids are they looking for, generally speaking?

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Um I honestly I believe that a lot of it has to do with troubled kids, kids who like to run away or kind of rebel against their parents, don't have good relationships with their parents. Um and you hear people say um people with daddy issues, I do believe that is an actual thing. Um because I I do uh some undercover chat stuff, and that's something that I run into a lot is um the whole is your dad present kind of thing, right? Um because I I know that's what predators look for. Um, you know, even going through so many different Types of trainings and watching interviews in progress. Um, people just talking about how they would target um kids who had a weak dad or a non-present dad, somebody who just wasn't there for their kid. Um, so I mean, all of those things, honestly, trouble at trouble at home, trouble at school, not present with parents. Parents don't really care what the kid's doing. If the kid has excess to get out of the house, those are the ones they're going to go after.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Okay. So that goes to show for the parents out there or any um, like us, like just even me as a parent seeing my friend, my kids'

What To Do When You Find Out

SPEAKER_03 22:35

friends. Like, I can tell the ones that are a little more susceptible to things like that. That's always looking for some sort of recognition or acceptance and things like that. Like, you got to pay attention to that stuff, guys.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

Yeah, absolutely. Uh, and I mean, I even think of it like my house is a safe place, right? Like, I know for a fact a kid is not going to be sexually abused in my house. But some of my kids' friends who just come over and their parents have never really even tried to meet me. I'm like, how do you just let your kid go go stay somewhere without even knowing the dad? I personally, my kids don't really ever go anywhere to stay the night. I I don't, I'm not a fan of that. But we welcome other kids to come here if they want to. Um, but you'd be surprised by how many parents I've actually never even met. They just drop their kids off in my front door and like, what in the world? Insane.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Nope. I tell my kids no, both mom and dad are coming over. Um I I have found in most instances there is no dad. So uh no offense to my kids' friends, but um, yeah, usually not a dad in the picture. But anyway, um, same same thing. I I don't want them unless I've met them and I've built that trust up with them. Um KP Nation asked, Do you think the amount of PDFs have gone up since the launch of social media? He would believe so.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

Um, I mean, maybe documented, but I think a pedophile is a pedophile, whether they had access to the internet or not, they still have that attraction to kids. Um, so I would say maybe the um recognized numbers probably have. Uh I mean, just it's so so easy to have access to kids. It's it's insane. So I would say since social media, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

Yeah, I I I think um I think the awareness of it has definitely went up simply because of social media. And let's let's talk just about that type of number. Now uh it doesn't just have to be uh crimes against children necessary on the internet, but because I'm sure you deal with all of it. I want you to uh to really put the numbers of just just give me one in one month in your uh your area of Texas, and we're not mentioning where, but in your area of Texas and what you've dealt with just in that one fishbowl. How many uh of these types of people do you think uh are floating around the internet where you're at?

SPEAKER_01 25:05

See that's the reaction I knew I was gonna get. I could I could put a post on the internet right now, and within a minute I have 75 responses and it's location based.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Isn't that insane?

SPEAKER_01 25:15

It's insane, insane, disgusting, and none of them are hey, you shouldn't be on here. It's all right, uh hey, let's meet up right now, or do you want to see a picture of my penis or whatever? And it's like, what in the world? Yeah, what in the world? So and that's location based. If I made that throughout the whole state or nation, my oh I wouldn't have enough time to read through all the messages, right? Uh but it never it never fails as soon as you post, it is in like somebody just opened the floodgates.

SPEAKER_03 25:46

Now we had um, I think he's since retired, but we had a guy from I think it was Phoenix on. This is real early in my podcasting, so it's very hard for me to remember. I apologize, guys. I've been doing it five years now. Uh he actually wrote a book on internet crimes against children, I believe, but they did a sting, just a one-month sting in his city. And in that one month, they had like 400,000 hits of uh like actionable, they could have all been actionable offenses where they they could have made arrests and they had to go after just the most heinous out of the 400,000. And he's like, you don't even want to know what what they had to choose from to go after the most heinous of them.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

Yeah, uh, and a lot of it is you know, you can weed some of these people out by like just knowing their history because once you start talking to some of these people, they'll tell you some of the craziest things that you're like, oh, why would you ever tell anybody that? And right, you know, sometimes I get um chat logs sent to me um from different um organizations where I can read all the stuff that these people are talking about, and it is the most disgusting, disturbing stuff that I'm like, why do these people think like this? Um you know, and that's that's people talking about um, and I know you said things get graphic, but that's people talking about choking children out with their genitalia, right? Um, it's just all the nasty things, it's like that makes your stomach turn when

Parental Controls That Actually Help

SPEAKER_01 27:20

you read this. Like somebody actually did this to a kid. Um and then people bragging about the only the things that they do to their own kids, and you're like, why? Why you know, and uh so I think that's kind of like how you weed some of that stuff out, but um did you uh did you hear about Soteria Shield? Um that was uh it I believe it it was ran this uh this year, it was a more extended type of thing, but um No elaborate, sir.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

So so Soteria Shield, it was based out of uh this one was just kind of throughout Texas, um, but it's done different times of the year and all these different things. But it was actually put out on um this is out on the FBI's website, so I'm not giving out any crazy information, but um over a month-long uh investigation, there were 276 arrests, 89 kids rescued, and um 91 law enforcement agency agencies involved. Um, and that was primarily North Texas. Um, so you know that's uh that's home for me. But that's uh and that's you know, and that's people trying to focus on doing that, but also having to do their day their other day-to-day work as a detective to investigate these types of things. So if we were all able to just stop everything we could for a month, that number will probably be so much higher. But 276 arrests in a month is is crazy to not be able to say that was our full-time dedicated work just for that, because we still had other things to handle, but yeah, and then that's like I said, that's primarily just North Texas.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

Yeah, it it's insane. The the the numbers, the sheer numbers, and then just like you said, not every department has the luxury of being able to have a detective that just specializes in something that heinous. Yeah, because you also have at a lot of places, and for those that don't know, you've got a detective that's trying to help in these child sex crimes cases, but they're also handling a burglary of a vehicle. They're also, you know, they gotta they gotta, you know, and how do you tell a victim that they're not a priority when they were a victim of a property crime and stuff like that? Like it and tax they're they're a taxpayer.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

That's tough because every now and then I still do get stuck with you know a fraud case or a burglary of a motor vehicle. And to me, it's like it's hard to just be able to focus on that when you know you have kid victims, but at the same time, it's just like you said, how do you tell somebody that they're not a priority? Because they're still a victim. And so it's like trying to balance those two. You're like, obviously, I'm more passionate about helping these kids than I am about somebody who left the car unlocked and having something taken out of the car. But at the end of the day, I'm still gonna do everything I can for for both of them.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um I wanna, I I wanna kind of, you know, we're we're about 30 minutes in. I kind of want to wrap up um the the parents and children side of this. Is there anything on the parents and children side that we haven't touched on? Um, no pun intended. Uh that uh cop humor, guys. I'm sorry. Uh that that you think is important to get out there.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Yeah. Um just watch your kids. Just watch your kids. Um, I think it's a it's a very big misconception that people believe that kids are being sexually abused by people that kids don't even know. But uh, in all reality, I think it happens about 7% of the time. Um I actually have the stats. Um, it's it's crazy how often that that our kids are being um perpetrated by somebody they know. So 93% of uh child sex abuse victims under the age of 18 know their offender. So uh 59% of that is acquaintances and 34% is family members. So that leaves only 7% that are completely unknown strangers. So whether that is your brother, your dad, sometimes even your mom, your grandma, aunt, whatever, um, or a friend or a close family friend, those are some of the hardest cases I've worked to see families fall apart because they never thought that um this person was going to sexually abuse their kid and they it was somebody they had trust with. Um so you know, I've I've I've had cases where um kids were sexually abused in the same in the same room as the parents, um, and they never never suspected it. You know, because because sex abuse isn't always extreme violence. It can be, but it can also be just very, very subtle minor movements that you would never really even notice. And then the kids are scared to say anything.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

So are there any tools for parents like that they can put on their phones or anything like that, computers that you can recommend?

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Yeah, so uh like if anybody watches my TikTok and Instagram, they they'll hear me talk about bark a whole lot. Um, and I will never promote something that I don't use myself. Um, and I I use bark and it's great. Um, I know some people they'll say, well, this, this, and this, it doesn't work for this. Nothing's ever going to be foolproof. But um having if you don't want to go with bark, go with some other parental controls, but something to monitor what is going on on your kid's phone or their computer or their iPad, whatever it may be. Um, and it's not to eavesdrop and it's not to invade privacy, anything like that. I don't know everything my kid talks about, but I do know when my kid brings up something that's either medically concerning or depressive, or if there's any kind of sexual referencing, anything like that, I'm alerted to those things. And I think that's where parental controls help parents and kids really save a lot of heartache and uh a lot of depression that way. Because if you don't know what your kid's going through, um, this is something I forgot to say on the sex tortion side of things. Uh, I believe the number or the average time if a kid is going to kill themselves after they've been sex ordered, it's in the 20-minute time frame, 20 to 30 minutes. Um, so if you're not aware, you're more than likely going to be too late if your kid's gonna kill themselves. So um that's where I do believe parental control can really honestly save your child's life. Yeah. So um, but yeah, anything, anything to give you a little bit of a head, a head start and try to prevent your kid, I think is a very good thing.

SPEAKER_03 33:43

Can you kind of just give a generalization of what bark all helps you watch?

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Yeah, so I have I have the settings on my kid's phone. Um, so we use a bark phone. There's a watch, there's an app, and there's a phone. We use a phone. Um so basically, um any anything violence, uh sex related, uh, if somebody tries to talk to her in a way that's inappropriate, it'll notify me of that. Um like uh she was sick just a couple days ago when she texted her mom saying that um she felt she wasn't feeling very well, and it gave me a notification that there was maybe medical concern going on. And so I'm like, oh, as minor as that whole thing is, I would rather know um if it was something like I would I want the small things to catch. So I know for a fact I'll catch the big things. Um but also I know what she has access to. Um, I don't allow her to have Snapchat, I don't allow her to play Roblox. Um, so if she wants to download those things, it has to send a request to me and I approve it or I deny it. Yeah. Um and so I want her to know how to use technology. I'll I'll allow some some things, but if there's if there's a mess uh messaging options on there or anything like that, we don't do that. Um, but I I don't want to hold her back from being able to use technology because technology is continually growing and it's not going anywhere, but I want to teach her to use it safely. And I think that's where um that's where we we kind of fail sometimes as parents is um I've referenced it in videos before we teach our kids how to um crawl before they can walk and walk before they can run and ride a bicycle with a helmet and they learn how to drive a car with us there, with them teaching them before we throw them keys and say, Hey, take off, drive down the highway, and hopefully you make it. But whenever they turn 10, we just throw them a phone and give them all the all the access to the world, right? Um, and the world access to our kids, you know. Like I've even phrased it, we would never be okay with our kid going to sleep with a 40-year-old man, but we're okay with a 40-year-old man coming to our kids' bedroom and may not physically be there, but they're there on the phone and they're talking, they're trying to talk to our kids. So um parental controls that I believe that's that's our way to kind of mitigate what's going on. Make it harder for the predators.

SPEAKER_03 36:00

Yeah. I I'm see, that's it. That's the type of stuff I was hoping to share tonight. Uh just I want people to understand there's there's tools out there that we can use. We can help monitor our kids. There's there's you know, I hate saying it, but sometimes you got to teach parents how to parent.

SPEAKER_04 36:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

It's a hundred percent true. Um, and don't let your ego get in the way, parents. If you're like, I ain't letting nobody tell me how to parent my kids. Like that's your ego. Uh you're you're supposed to be looking out for the best interests of your kid, not you as being a parent. So I don't have the answers to everything. There's stuff that I have learned in this job that I learned from other cops on parenting that I just didn't think about. A lot of them from crimes against children guys. Like, I never would have thought of video games being a place for these guys to go start grooming. And you know, one of the things that I hear they like to do with these vulnerable kids is uh prom they'll send them a brand new cell phone. And and and now that's their connection, and the phones got all the hackware and stuff that they need to see where that kid's at, and that's how they end up getting them.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

So I've there's innocent little apps that you know attract like the younger group. Um, one of them is called uh I don't know, I never know if I'm saying it right or not. I've had kids victimized on there where you know they build that relationship that this suspect will build a relationship with a kid on there, and they will actually talk them through how to make a Snapchat or how to download sessions or something like that where you have disappearing messages because disappearing messages make it harder for parents to notice what's going on, anyways. But um they will actually talk them through how to create all these different accounts and um they'll switch over to those those platforms and exploit kids. So it won't it won't always stay like let's say Roblox, it won't always stay on Roblox. Um, it'll start maybe there, but then they're gonna move over to Snapchat or sessions or um really anything um that has encrypted messaging or deleted messaging. So um, but if parents don't know those things, how do you teach your kids how to be safe with it? And I think that is honestly the only way that we can actually slow down how often kids are being exploited by teaching teaching parents what to talk to the kids about.

SPEAKER_04 38:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Um, but like you mentioned kind of earlier on, people, even cops, don't want to don't want to really know about what's going on to these kids because it's nasty and it kind of makes you feel sick. But if we ignore it, it only gets worse.

SPEAKER_04 38:39

Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:39

And that was that was actually the whole point of me making a social media was um, which Tim Tebow, he does it a lot now, he talks about it. But at that point, I remember telling my wife, I'm like, nobody talks about how often kids are being abused. And you know, imagine imagine waking up every day. Like my kids, they get to wake up to Christmas morning knowing they've got Christmas gifts and they've got all these all these different presents, um, and their birthday is a special day for them. But some of these kids who are being trafficked and they're just being sexually abused every day, every day is living hell for them.

SPEAKER_04 39:10

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

They get to wake up and they get to face the nasty reality that they're victimized and they are being trafficked. And um, you know, some of these kids they end up being killed. So that's the that's the honest truth. And I'm like, why does why do people not talk about it? And after going to some trainings and stuff, I'm like, man, that makes me feel gross, like hearing about this stuff and how often it happens. But that's whenever you that's that's when you remember things. Like when you become uncomfortable, um, you hear something that might that sticks with you a little bit, you'll always remember it.

SPEAKER_04 39:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Um, almost like a trauma response, right? Like, man, I can't get this thought out of my head, but I would rather, I would rather know how to keep my kids safe than than not. Um, but I can go on and on about this because I'm very passionate about it. Because I'm like if if every kid just had the opportunity to grow up and do the things that they were destined to do, the world would be a better place. But unfortunately, we have these really nasty people who need to be taken care of and yeah, prison imprisoned. And uh I like some of these states that are pushing for the death penalty. I would like to see uh the state of Texas push for that for a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

Yeah, uh, actually, I think it was KP Nation said something a little bit earlier. He wanted to know your opinion on he said, so what are your thoughts on Idaho's new law on convicted pedal execution to firing squad?

SPEAKER_01 40:29

Absolutely. Do it.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

Do it so you mean to tell me you don't think there's a rehabilitation program for that?

SPEAKER_01 40:35

Oh, I do not. I don't think there is at all.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

Um I don't think there is either, sir.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

It's you know, I think they can fake it. I think they can act like they're better. Um, because they're not crazy. They're they're sick in the head for sure, but yeah, they're not crazy. Um, so they can fool anybody if they can fool kids into believing that they're a 12-year-old, they can tell somebody, oh yeah, I'm better, I won't do it again, until they have access to do it again. So yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

They absolutely have the sociopath tendencies where they can they can blend into their environments where they go and fool a lot of people.

Most Abuse Comes From Someone Known

SPEAKER_03 41:10

So that's kind of what I wanted to get into next is like um the bad guy side of this. Like, what are some signs and symptoms that we need to be paying attention to for those around us that may be predators? How are we start seeing these guys?

SPEAKER_01 41:28

So, like you hear of coaches, right? You hear of coaches, you hear of um teachers, all these people who don't have access to our kids. Um, the people that as parents, we may not even realize that there's something fishy going on there. But if you start looking at it a little bit deeper, like, hey, why is this coach showing favoritism toward my kid? Like, there's no reason this this coach should be offering to buy my kid new basketball shoes or um buying them food at school and all these other things. Like, to me, that's red flag behavior. I'm like, no, like whether or not you believe that they that's grooming, I'm not taking that risk. I'm like, hey, stay away from my kid. Like I can buy my kid lunch at school. Um, I don't need you to door dash food to my kid, anything like that. That can be the smallest amount or the smallest, I guess, gesture of um grooming, and you may never even think of it. Um, but then it comes out that they they've also been talking to your kid in the locker room and all these different things. So um just really trying to pay attention to who has access to your kids. Um, and really, like I said, I don't allow my kids to do sleepovers. That's just my policy as a parent. I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_04 42:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Um and it's not always the parent, I guess, that we really have to worry about. You know, I've worked cases where um kids have been perpetrators.

SPEAKER_03 42:49

Um steps I've seen all of it.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

Yeah, if if you look at it and all the like totality of it, it's like, man, it's it's overwhelming because you're like, man, everybody's a suspect, but um, in all reality, they're not. I think there's more I think there's more good people than there are bad. But the bad ones really they kind of ruin it for everybody because they don't show themselves as bad until it's too late. Um to answer your question, how do you really tell or prevent somebody from accessing your kids? Um I think it's just honestly, it can be the smallest little thing that can be a grooming behavior, right? Um coaches, teachers, um, youth pastors, cops, doctors, um, you name it. Really, anybody who has access to your kid. I think predators put themselves in positions to have access to kids, and it's not suspicious. Um like if I if I wanted to have access to a kid and I wanted to do something to a kid, I I would do something where I'm primarily just around kids. Yeah, and nobody's going to second guess my position.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

Yeah. I mean shit, look at Disney.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

You know, I I'm at a I'm A video, uh man, it was it was probably three weeks ago or so, maybe a month, talking about the New Disney or the whatever uh Universal Studios opening up in Frisco. And I'm just like, if you're if you think that some of these people there aren't predators, you're like, you're you're naive, you know. Yeah, um, sure, I would like to think that the majority of the workers there are gonna be uh honest, good people who care about kids and just want to bring joy to kids, but they they can do all the backgrounds in the world, uh, and they're not gonna catch the one who may slip through or the two or three, however many they're hiring. I don't know. But just because they don't have a criminal record doesn't mean they're not a predator, they just haven't been caught yet.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

Yeah, right. No, a hundred percent. Um yeah, dude. I the all of these and I'm glad you said cops because we've busted them ourselves where I'm at. So yeah, uh you're right. It's these positions of trust uh that it that makes it harder to spot and easier to trust, uh, obviously, because it yeah, man, I I I'm uncomfortable talking about it right now.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

That's why so that's the thing. Like, whenever I do like speaking engagements and stuff, and I go talk to parents, I tell them, hey, my job is by the end of this, I want you to feel uncomfortable. I want you to kind of have that nasty little pit in your stomach because then I know I did my job. I got my point across. Because yeah, like I said earlier, if I can make you uncomfortable, you're gonna be more willing to remember that.

SPEAKER_03 45:36

I fucking hate it, dude. I just hate it. Ah, it drives me insane because you know, a lot of the guys have been talking in the chat, you know. HBO Matt, who's in the house, what's up, uh uh HBO Matt. Um, he's our Second Amendment rights guy. Uh one of them, uh First Amendment rights guy as well. Uh, but he said if we just keep arresting them, they won't come back. Which holy shit, is that one of the most frustrating things ever when they keep getting out because they were only caught with just uh you know, like what we can I consider it a big thing, but the courts for whatever consider it, you know, well it's just materials, it doesn't mean that they're dangerous in your life. Like they're attracted to kids.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Like yeah, how much more dangerous can you be?

SPEAKER_03 46:18

How much more dangerous can you get? Like you know, how long are you gonna be able to keep them urges back?

SPEAKER_01 46:25

Yeah, and that's a thing. Um and so like there's this statistic, uh I may butcher it a little bit, but it's in the 70%, like 73 or 74 percent of uh child sex abuse material viewers, um, anybody who's watching child pornography, there's a 73 or 74 74% chance that they've already physically, or I mean sorry, sexually abused a kid. Um and all almost at almost, I think every one of them that I've actually interviewed after I've arrested them, they've all told me that you know they have the ideas and they have the thoughts of it. Um, but that's their kind of their way of controlling the urge. Um, and I've even had some of them describe it as a craving um to watch child pornography. I'm like, what in the world? That's crazy. Um that's that's just a wild choice of words.

SPEAKER_03 47:16

So uh HBO Matt dropping two bucks in the chat. Thanks, buddy. He said um this was a police chief talking about me, Eric. Oh uh, yeah, he he got arrested, or he at least threatens to get arrested for um you know just fighting for Second Amendment rights and first amendment rights.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

Like it's crazy. Some of the stupid nuts with that, like just leave it alone.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Yeah, you see my platform, you know a lot of the stuff. I'm just like, look at this cop screwing up over here. Oh, look at this cop screwing up over here. Like insane to me how many of us screw the pooch. And I my guys are gonna love you automatically because you you put cops in in the you know that that target area of people that can be predators. And like, how else are we supposed to gain credibility when we try to turn a blind eye that even our own people can be predators? That's not be dishonest and disingenuous.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

Bad cops like that. Oh man, I don't know. I I can't stand them. Like I tell everybody, I want my I want my family to be proud of the profession that I have, and I want to leave a good experience with everybody I deal with. You know, I'm never I'm never a jerk to people. Um, even whenever I'm working the case, you know, I'm I'm there to do a good job and I'm there to make sure that I'm doing justice for the victim. Um but then you have the cops who go out and they just really I'm like, where's your common sense? Yeah, you know, where is it? Like, how do you how are you expected to rescue people in need or protect people in need, and you can't even make just simple decisions. Like you're out here, it almost seems intentional that you're making stupid decisions. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

Are you intentionally the subtus?

SPEAKER_01 49:02

Uh yeah, it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 49:04

Yeah. Um, okay, so this was another question. This was a good one. This one was sent in. Said, um, walk us through the first 10 minutes after a parent finds out their child has been a victim. What do they do?

SPEAKER_01 49:19

Uh

Spotting Grooming In Trusted Adults

SPEAKER_01 49:21

well, I actually got to observe a situation like that. Um and I would say, and maybe it's not every time, um, but I feel like it is probably more often than not. Extreme rage, anger, um frustration, and then I think it kind of switches to guilt. Like, why did I not protect my kid?

SPEAKER_03 49:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

But a lot of the time I tell them, like, hey, if you didn't know about it, you know, you didn't know about it. Um sure, if you could go back and change things, you maybe would know about it. But just being involved with your kid, I think can tell you a lot. But um I would say you I would say within like that first 10 minutes, uh, from what I've seen personally, um, yeah, it's I'm I'm gonna go kill that bastard, you know. Uh and I've got to try and talk them out of them. Hey, listen, your kid's going through enough. They need their dad, right? They need their dad to see them through this, they need you there to help them make it make it through this whole situation. Um, and that seems to kind of calm them down a little bit. Uh maybe not so much calm down, but have them think more clearly about how to be there for their kid. Because me as a parent, I've uh man, I don't know. I I've even thought like like if somebody ever put their hands on my kid, you know, right? It's I'm I'm definitely losing my job, probably gonna lose my freedom. But at the end of the day, I I can sleep at night. Yeah, but you gotta try not to get caught so so much caught up in that because like as much as you want to do something right for your kid, what's gonna help them move forward is having that having the parent still there for them. Yeah, um, you know, because if we go out and we just start offing people who did wrong to our kid, um it's just gonna make it that much harder on our child who's already going through the worst time they could ever they could actually ever face, I think.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

So what what type of tips would you have for them, like things to say, things not to say to the kid if um if you find this out?

SPEAKER_01 51:22

Yeah, so um things I wouldn't definitely not say, I wouldn't blame, I wouldn't blame the kid, even if it was something that something that we think is crazy, right? Like a 13-year-old sending a picture of their their uh their business to somebody on Snapchat. Yeah, I'm gonna be frustrated. I'm gonna be like, Well, what were you thinking? Yeah, but if they come to me and they're distraught and they're actually, you know, they're upset about what's happened to them, I don't want to make it worse. I would say be there for them. Just hey, we're gonna get through this. Um tell me all that you know about this person, um, and then try and try and document everything that you're able to get off of that. But um biggest thing I think is encouraging them that hey, you're gonna be okay. Um, I know it feels like you're going through a lot right now, but this is just a little blip in your whole plan in life that I think we're going to be able to push through. It may not be easy, and maybe that picture will get out to some of your friends and some people at school, but next week somebody else is gonna be the hot topic, right? Yeah, um, so let's get through this. Uh just you know, working through it together. And that's in the ideal world. I don't understand parenting, you'd be fired up, frustrated, like, what were you doing? Yeah, but sometimes words can words can hurt pretty bad, especially in a situation where somebody's already devastated.

SPEAKER_03 52:42

So yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um now when it comes to our side of the house, what we can tell parents, uh, and I'll kind of lead off like don't confront the suspect. If it's a known, if if it's an unknown, don't don't confront them, don't lead on that you know anything. I know that's gonna be hard to do, but please don't lead on. Save all of that info as much as you can find out for the detectives. So you got a good chance of getting them. You got anything to add on that?

SPEAKER_01 53:15

Yeah, I mean, um, I think you hit it right on the right spot. Like, don't go confront them as bad as you want to. Don't go over there, don't let them know that you know anything. If there's communications happening over a phone or social media, anything like that, be willing to separate from that phone for a little bit. Um, because we can do account takeovers, right? Yeah. Um, that people don't even know that the conversation is switched from that kid to a detective or whatever. Um, and then it helps us build our case even more. So um definitely don't overreact, uh, which I know is kind of hard to do, yeah. Um, but report it. You know, um, I've I've had cases where uh little kids have been victims and the parents were mad that the police showed up at the house because they didn't want the police in front of their home and uh slammed the door in our cops' faces, like, no, get out of here. Uh my kid did something stupid. I'm like,

Predator Catchers And The Entrapment Myth

SPEAKER_01 54:10

no, your kid was taken advantage of. We're here to do right by that child. Um, so make sure that you know, get your kid the help that they need. Um, don't overreact, call the cops. Um, and like you said, document everything that you can.

SPEAKER_03 54:24

Yeah. Now, uh, this is kind of the perfect opportunity. I want to because some of the people are asking this question again. I said I wanted to get to this question a little bit later in the show. So we're about an hour in, so I think this is a good time to bring it up. Now, we've got you can call them vigilantes, whatever you want to call them. You got a bunch of inspired wannabe Chris Hansons out there, and some of them do an excellent fucking job. I mean, excellent. And the guy I'm about to show you, he's a 20-year retired cop. He knows what he's doing. So I'm gonna share the screen. Um, here we go. Share. I don't know how well it's gonna show up on here. Okay. Uh, what looks better? There we go, that's bigger. All right. Let me hit play here.

SPEAKER_00 55:10

Come over here, interviewed him.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

Um interviewed him too?

SPEAKER_00 55:13

Yeah, we always interview.

SPEAKER_02 55:15

How come not just give it to law enforcement once he started having sexual conversations?

SPEAKER_00 55:18

Well, we don't have to memorize him whenever we ask him any questions. Okay, well, let's let's hang on a second. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:24

Let's just how come not just give it to law enforcement?

SPEAKER_00 55:26

Okay, well, first of all, it with all due respect, because of this attitude. Because we've done it before and they've taken and said, Thank you very much. We never got any outcome amendment.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

But you know, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

No, but I know for sure.

SPEAKER_02 55:38

Well, I can't speak on every every truth that you bring to people. Yes, mm-hmm. What I'm telling you is when you guys take the truth of your own hands. Yes, mm-hmm. And you start talking to them, it's entrapment. You don't have all the masses to talk to people, you don't have them all the wear with them, we can't use any of that. And then you come down here and you interview them with women to say. We can't do anything with it. Trying to ruin anything that we couldn't have done with it.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

Well, I'm I'm certainly a creed. All right, if you don't mind, again, I'm not trying to be disrespectful of the title alone for 20 years. And then I know you're also wrong. Respectfully. Um entrance is not a statute, it's not a code, it's a legal defense.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 56:29

Okay, but that entrance only applies to law enforcement and government entities. It does not apply to private stations.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

No, no, no, negative. Negative. I'm still talking.

SPEAKER_03 56:39

Quick vaccine. All right. Um I will lead the charge because I don't want to just throw you out there. Uh he's 100% right. She's fucking full of shit and was trying to get out of doing a report. That's what I saw. Um, instead of being excited and saying, Oh my god, here we go. He's got all the ducks in a row for me. Let me help start getting this report started so a detective can help get going on this. That's how I see it. You know, we're both cops in the same state. Is there any validity to what she's saying, in your opinion, that you've seen? Because you you're uh you're the expert. I'm not. And I like I've told you guys, I've I don't deal with these cases. There may be a point that she has that I'm not aware of, but I don't understand how that could just ruin a case. One, we citizens can't do entrapment, they're they're not cops, they're not government. So what's your thoughts, sir?

SPEAKER_01 57:33

Um, I think she's trying to uh get out of taking a report, honestly, is what it sounds like.

SPEAKER_03 57:38

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 57:39

Yeah, I mean, uh she's like almost defensive for the guy. I'm like, what are you doing? Like, you know, this guy's a pervert, like a predator. Obviously.

SPEAKER_03 57:50

I'd be like, bro, really, you did all this? Yeah, that's fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

Now, whenever whenever it comes to going to court, hey, let them figure that whole thing out there. I'm still gonna take that report. Um, right. If I'll tell you what the courts are gonna look for, uh, more than likely, is um if the chat was handled in what is referred to as like the ICAC standard, right? Um, where you're not leading the conversation, you're not um the one who's bringing up the sex talk, you're not talking about meeting up, um, you're letting them initiate all that stuff, you're just throwing out random things, right? Yeah, um, so I think that's that would be one of the biggest things. It's based off of how the conversation went. But if I were a patrol officer and somebody came up to me and uh told me, hey, this guy's been talking to kids, I'm not brushing that off. You know, I'm absolutely um and if I'm taking the report to see what we've got, and then you know, if if not able to make an arrest right then and there, at least, you know, yeah, try and get an arrest warrant on this dude, something. But right.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

If it's a meetup, if you came to the like, I don't know if the guy actually showed up on this one, but if if you're on scene and they're showing me evidence that shows that you tried to meet up, it doesn't matter what the conversation was, you're going in cuffs, like yeah, and like I don't care. I'm gonna let the DA figure out, oh we didn't have it. Okay, cool. I did what I need to do.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

If that person came there with the intent to have sex with a kid or engage in any sexual conduct, yeah, I don't I don't see a reason in hooking that person up, or I don't see a reason in not hooking that person up. Um, aside from the fact of whatever this lady's mind was doing, I I don't know. Um, but I've I've watched that video before and I'm like, uh, why would she argue that hard about something that we know is morally wrong and criminally this guy he's violated a penal code? I don't care what state you're in. I don't know of a single state that it's okay to go talk to who you believe is a child and want to go have sex with them.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

So and and having the like one, it was ego. That was the big part. Two, laziness. This is just me speculating on my own opinion of doing this job for 20 years, guys. Um, so you got laziness, ego, and then assumption. She just assumed it was Joe Blow Citizen trying to be a vigilante, uh playing Batman, which I'm okay with that. Um but because uh we can't I I already told you guys about the one month case in Phoenix that had 400,000 potential arrest cases. We cannot possibly do this job alone. It's just we're not gonna be able to do it, but we we can do it together as a community. And I I got no problem with this guy doing that, especially if he knows what he's doing and putting solid cases together. He's only gonna for sure. And even if they don't know, they're gonna learn from trial and error. Yeah, figure out what they went wrong, fix it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

I believe in maybe the whole like that whole video. I think the guy's even and uh maybe I'm wrong about that one or not, but I believe that guy he's actually had some cases that have gone to court and they've he's acting, he's gotten convictions. Yeah, it's like so the guy knows what he's doing. It's not just somebody out there who's I can't think of a good reason for anybody to ever say they're going to go meet up with a kid, whether the conversation is led that way or not. But he's not out there with the intent of just trying to screw people over. People put themselves in those situations, nobody's forcing them to say they're gonna go have sex with a kid. So as a cop, why not? Why not hold this person responsible for what they've done? I I don't know, but I've had maybe not to that same extent, but I've had um a citizen actually send me messages that they have with another citizen in my town, um, where the guy talks about all of his sexual fantasies and all these things that he wants to do with kids. And it's like, there we go. Like, I can do something with it. And I was actually, I was actually able to take it over to the DA. So it's like this is you know, it's definitely possible. I don't know why some cops just want to be a little bit more ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:53

Yeah, that's that's way too you, you worked way too hard to not do a report, is what you did. Absolutely. Um, which is ridiculous. Um, Ninu W4V, two corrupt pigs taking government money.

unknown 1:02:05

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:06

I don't know if they're talking about us, but yeah, I can one can if they're talking about us, one can only assume that you support child predators.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:16

Yes, that's exactly right. And I say that all the time. The people who always give negative feedback whenever we talk about how to protect kids, um, those are the people they're mad because we know what they're up to.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:25

Yeah, I would say maybe you should do better. Um, anyway, uh so Luna is so upset about my Detroit Tigers hat tonight. I'm so so sorry. You have a bad, bad, bad choice in teams that you like. So um I will say the Tigers missed a golden opportunity. They played Texas on uh on 250 uh on the anniversary, and you know, they're all wearing the the red, white, and blue stuff, right? Now they played the Texas Rangers, who are a red, white, and blue team. Neither the Rangers or the Tigers made their entire jersey in this fashion, which pissed me off because had the Tigers not what I wanted them to do, they wore their gray jersey. That was mistake number one. They should have worn their white jersey, and then where it says Detroit across it, or how whatever one they wore, the one with the big um old English D here or whatever, that should have been red, white, and blue. But all they did was color the numbers. And they wore that the one the gray jersey with the orange across. It looked horrible. It was horrible. It was a big mistake. The Rangers look good because the Rangers are red, white, and blue. So it still looked good, but it could have been a little better for the Rangers. But we whooped that ass. 3-0. So uh is what it is, guys. Haters you know, God God bless these United States, but more importantly, he blessed uh the Tigers on the 250th. So is what it is. Yeah, Michelle. You you baseball fan?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:57

So I go to a couple games. Uh okay. I go to a couple games a year for the Rangers, um, which you know, we've we've got the hookup over there for some some stuff. So yeah. Um so I I definitely definitely go for those.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:12

But I like it. I like it. All right. Let me uh let me go back here. Okay, so so I'm glad we're okay. So we're talking about I'll get me back on track. I I get distracted by baseball. So we're talking about is it is it okay for people to do this? And in my experience, and now in your experience, we can say I don't see why this would be a problem. I don't see why the case would automatically get thrown out. That's not our decision to make on the street for sure, as a as a street cop. Let the detective decide that for one. But I I don't see an issue with it, especially if you've got a solid case and some dude's trying to meet up. Because most of the time I think that's what they're doing. They get the case lined up, they set up the meet, the guy shows up, they have the cops meet him there once they've got everything they got. He made a great point that I don't have to mirandize people, I don't have to I don't have to do any of that. I can't entrap people as a citizen. I don't have to read Miranda as a citizen. You don't. There's no requirement.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:11

No, those are all hoops that we have to jump through.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:13

Right. And so and I would say it's kind of like a cheat code for us to catch these guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

And we that guy wasn't working as a tool of hours that we set up for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:24

Right. So he did it on his own, on his own time, on his own dime, got everything together, and then presented what he found. How is that any different than if a family member were going to gather a case when they find out their nephew got you know molested or whatever? And they're like, Oh my god, like they don't want to say anything to the parent because maybe the parents involved and they don't want him to tell. So they get all the evidence together. It's no different.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

Yeah, no, I think honestly, it comes down to um kind of what you signed up for as a cop, and I don't know that her priorities are in. The right place. I don't know this lady. Maybe she was having a bad day, which really still isn't even a good excuse.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:04

But yeah, no make excuses for her.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:06

Yeah, it's like, man, what it those are the ones that give cops a bad name, especially like the video has gone viral. So, you know, obviously for the right reasons, because like, hey, this is the reason some people don't like cops. Um, because we have people who, like I said, seem to just intentionally want to bring a bad name to the professor.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

I think it's important. This is why I do what I do. I think it's important for active cops to speak out against shitty cops.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:30

And she may be a great cop any other day of the week, but you weren't on that day and you weren't on the worst type of crime. Yeah. Sorry, not sorry. Yeah. Like you swore an oath, no different than you and me, and I take it seriously. And absolutely, you know, I I guess the way that I kind of look at the crimes against children stuff is the I take the oath so serious that I'm I'm actually honestly worried that I would screw up a case. And that would break me. I could, God, that would break me knowing that I screwed up a child case.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:59

You know, and I I even have those conversations with prosecutors. I'm like, before going to court, I'll be like, hey, is there anything that I've done in this case that you know I should have done better or whatever? Because the last thing I ever want to do whenever it comes to a kid victim is screw it up to where their offender gets to walk because of a mistake that I made. Yeah. Um you know, and that's that's probably one of the most important things is you know, some of these cases they can be very in-depth. Um, and it's sometimes hard to remember everything you do on them. Um, or documentation. I mean, like, man. Um, but we've got such good relationships with our prosecutors that they're like, hey, did any of this ever happen? Uh, or where is this? Like, oh man, sorry, I completely forgot about that. Here it is, and we'll send it over. So you could, you know, everything has to be turned over for discovery. So um having great relationships with prosecutors makes a world of a difference, um, especially working these cases because they understand they understand the toll that it can take.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:58

Yeah. Um, John Bulach said, I'm in the same area. That's awesome. Thank you guys for what you do. I think he's the Blue Mound chief that got he quit because the city council was um screwing over his department, like uh screwing over his guys. Like he stood up for his peeps and then got got fired when they I think that's his name.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:21

Blue Mound. I think we uh think we follow each other on social media as well. Yeah, the chief over there, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:28

Yeah, I think he was the chief. Um maybe we should get him on here one day. Talk about yeah, he stood up for his for his people. They were like trying to do something stupid. You know, politics.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:38

Yeah, yeah. I don't know about some chiefs aren't willing to stand up for their their people, and um, that's why people leave them. Or that's why officers leave them. They're like, oh, you know, I'm I love the city, but I mean I I'm not gonna take the risk to work for bad a bad chief and a bad counsel.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:53

No, absolutely. Uh Ryan said, uh, how do you take your mind off the work when you're home? It can't be easy to turn off.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:01

Uh man He beats his dog, guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:06

Just kidding. I'm kidding, guys. It's a joke.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:09

So uh

The Toll This Work Takes

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

whenever I first man, I'll tell you, the first time that I ever worked, like an ICAT case, like uh it was a CP case, child pornography case. Uh I kind of just kind of got thrown into the whole thing, right? And I received the summer tip, and uh, I believe there were over there were almost 300 video files. And I remember I'm like, I've got to watch every one of these to make sure that they are all containing uh child pornography. I know now I don't have to watch every one of them. Like, hey, you know, just kind of randomly skim through and see what is what. Yeah. I remember for like nine hours, I sat there and watched this, and like I think back to the day, I'm like, man, this was like a dark freaking tunnel. All I remember is this computer screen and some of these kids' faces. I'm like, I'll never forget that stuff. Um, but the majority of it, I feel like I'm able to turn it off just because like I do everything I can at work, and then I've got a little bit of a drive home. I don't have just a five-minute drive home. So I have time to kind of talk to people on the phone. Um, you know, I've talked to my preacher about different things. Um just, you know, I'm like, it's about to be a lot that I'm gonna tell you. But I think if you try and hold it in, that's where that's where you really um you really can screw up. Um so whether it's talking to somebody, I don't I don't really tell my wife a whole lot of things. Um, but people at work, I'll talk to people at work. Um, the city I work for, we actually have um free counseling sessions and stuff that we can go to um in paid time off. So after we work, like something very difficult or um disturbing, we can we can have a day or two or however really many days we need to recover from it. We can go see counseling and all these different things. So it kind of just turns around um that mindset of bringing the work home with me. Um, which I'm not going to say it doesn't affect me at home sometimes, right? Like yeah, I think depending on what the case is, you're never gonna be 100%, but still trying to be as good of a parent as I can for my kids. Um is probably one of the most important things. Like if I'm gonna go do all these things for these other kids, I don't really know, but I'm gonna try and make sure that their life is better. I still gotta remember I've got kids at home that I have to do the same for.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:22

Yeah. Yeah. It and you know, for I'm not gonna put one, thank you, Harrison, for the 10 gifted memberships before I forget. Um, but when it comes to the PTS stuff related issues and things like that, obviously one of the reasons I avoid child crimes is because of specifically that. It's there's just such a higher risk, uh dependent on what it is you're dealing with. And for me, um I have taken yeah, I I'll give you a little background, Seth. Is um my dad was a cop. He retired actually from the department that I'm at, but I didn't grow up here, I grew up in Michigan. Um, and my my mom and dad never got married, so my dad was down here, I'd come visit for the summertimes and stuff like that. Um but with that said, being around my dad, I kind of seen a lot of cops, obviously. And a lot of failed relationships, a lot of alcoholics, a lot of you know, busted backs and all of that. Uh despite that, I still knew I wanted to be a cop at a certain point in my life and and dedicated myself to doing that. And I took a lot of precautions. I learned martial arts. I like, you know, I knew uh I joined the military prior, uh before becoming a cop. Um, I did I did all of these things, and one of the things that I I realized that I wanted to do was the uh the opposite of what I've heard a lot of cops give advice on through my dad, and that is never tell your spouse about your work. And I don't agree with that to a point, especially when it comes to what you deal with, like um the point the the deal me and my wife made was uh she'll ask, hey, you know, like I could tell you're having a bad day, you want to talk about it. I'll say, Yeah. How much do you want to know? Do you want the dumbed down version or do you want the full money? And I'll give the girl credit, you know, we've been together since seventh grade. Um and yeah, I it was just one woman for me. Uh very good, very good. And um she's always wanted the full story and has always kind of looked at it as she goes, This is she's like, it's not uh a 50-50 relationship, it's a hundred-hundred type mentality. She's like, So if you've got to deal with it, like I need to be dealing with it with you to help you. And I said, Okay, so we we did that, and it has worked tremendously um for us. I'm not gonna say that works for everybody, and I honestly don't know how deep in the weeds I could get with what you deal with. Um I've only had one significant child case that I ever had to deal with. Um and I was a property crimes detective, like that wasn't my job. So I'll I'll give you guys the backstory. I don't know if I don't think I've ever told this one on here. Um so we were there's a a Buddhist temple where I'm at, and I'm not talking like like a little like stand-up Buddhist temple. I'm talking like when you make the block, it looks like you just hit another country. It is ginormous, it's beautiful. It's actually one of the most incredible places I've ever seen. And it's so weird to see in Texas. So um, but they were getting burglarized left and right because they leave everything open. They're Buddhists, and I I'm trying to work with them, you know, and I'm I'm showing up and they're like, Yeah, they broke in again. I'm like, damn, God, just lock this shit up at night, please. Um so now I'm taking me and my property crimes team. We're a field team, we don't spend a whole lot of time in the office. We we, you know, we find leads and we're out looking for these guys, right? And uh I was like, let's swing by the Buddhist temple and just make sure they're good. Swing by and there's a car parked out front. You know, I know they're not open, it doesn't make sense. You know, the car looked out of place, so we just pull up behind and uh run the plate, and you know, it's tags are out of date, everything about it looks suspect. Make contact. It's um a female driving and a male in the passenger seat. And right away as we start to talk to them, you know, things are weird. So I asked the guy to come out and talk to me. He's like, hey man, do you mind stepping out talking to me? And he come he does, you know, and so as he's talking to me, um she's talking to one of my buddies, and you know, we get together, I'm like, What'd your what'd your girl say? And she's like, Well, she was homeless, she has three kids, and he rescued her from the homeless shelter. So he was going through grooming, looking for the right uh target. And uh as I'm talking to my guy, you know, I'm asking him, like, you know, whose car? You know, is it your car? Is it her car? You know, and I'm telling him, I, you know, I'm pretty up front when I'm doing an investigation. Like, hey man, we're here because this place keeps getting burglarized. And you guys are parked out front. I was like, at an odd time, I'm looking out for these guys, they've been victimized too many times. Like, what's the deal? And he's telling me, he's like, he's like, oh no, he's like, um, he's like, that's my girl, and that's her car. Uh, and we're I was like, oh, okay. I was like, that's weird. He was like, you let your girl drive. And and um, he's like, Oh yeah, I'm not really allowed to drive. I was like, oh, okay. I was like, that's cool. And um he's not really getting specific about anything. I'm like, all right, you know, I'm asking him like, do you stay around here? Where do you stay? And he's telling me that he stays over at this uh one spot. And uh when my partner was talking to her, he's like, No, she lives with me, and I'm like, well, where does she live? And it was nowhere near where this guy said he was staying at. Uh long story short, nothing sat well with us. And he gave us a name, and uh, you know, I didn't have a right to his name, so whatever name he gave us, but we couldn't find him. Well, we had I, you know, we'd been talking probably 15 minutes. I was like, we gotta, we gotta go. We don't have anything. We can't hold these guys here. We just we we know they're not here burglarizing, we gotta go. So we cut him loose and then we go back to the office

A Case That Still Haunts Eric

SPEAKER_03 1:17:30

and we start looking into this guy because all of his he's he's the one that was giving us the weird vibes. And we go back and then about 45 minutes later, one of my guys finds who he is. Uh shout out to Santos, he's he's the one that found this person's um information. And uh it was one of those times where all of us that were involved, everybody's spidey sense was going off. We just couldn't we couldn't pinpoint what it was. And we I wasn't going the child predator guy. That's not what was going on in my mind. It just something wasn't right. I just couldn't figure it out. Well, anyway, once Santos found this guy's name, all of the child uh, you know, sex predator stuff lit up, like Christmas tree uh on the hit, and we're like, oh shit. And that's when you know the other co-detective um Brock, Cole Brock, I'll give him a shout-out too. Um like he's like, Oh no, like he was grooming the the homeless shelter. That's and he started putting it together. I was like, Oh my god, you're right. And now the pit of our stomach, because we just let this guy go with her back to her house where these three children were. Um they had a four-year-old and two seven-year-olds, they were twins.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:41

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:41

Uh the four-year-old was non-verbal. So and and he had been with them for about a year. So we we get over, he had a warrant and he hadn't registered where he was living, all of these things. So um, we get over there, you know, uh find him immediately and put him in cuffs and whatnot, and then we get Kaku involved, and then they tell us the news that we didn't want to hear, the reason that kid was non-verbal, um just from repeated uh abuse. Um I won't get too graphic on here, but um all the worst things that you can imagine. Um all the worst things that you can imagine. So that's the only case, and like I said, I've never normally that wouldn't be my lane. We even called the child crime unit and let them know, and they're like, he got to get over there. We're like, We we're getting there, but you gotta get over there. And we're like, Yep, we're on it. So we went over there. So big shout out to all of my team. I want to give Santos, Colbrock, uh, I think Erica Clackler was involved with that one. Um I know I'm missing Yancey. So a bunch of great guys all did the right thing that day and got a very, very sick person off the streets. That a year, brother, a year of just abuse. It just the go figure. The one case I get involved in, and it's like the things your nightmares are made out of as a as a dad.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:12

Absolutely. Now that's that's that's good work from y'all, though. I mean, yeah, that's good for y'all to dig into it further instead of just you know, you could have you could have just cleared it and be like, well, that's not the burglar we're looking for, and this kid still to date could still be with that same person. So yeah, good job, y'all to uh get that kid taken care of.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:30

Yeah, it can happen. You're you're right. That's it, that is a problem in policing. We we get so focused on this is my job. When we really it's all our job, all of it is our job, but it I can I and I wouldn't blame an officer, I wouldn't blame a property crimes team that went and checked it out and then was like, oh, the same are guys like I even if you're getting that feeling, I I I don't expect you to always have to follow through because it didn't feel right, because how many times did it not feel right and you didn't you were wrong, you didn't find anything. Yeah, because we're wrong, we're not fucking superman. So um, yeah, but yeah, dude. Um, how about for you? Like what's what's some of the cases that you can talk about that like you said, I want to kind of make people feel uncomfortable tonight. I need them to understand what's out there, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:21

Uh and like I said, great, great job. I mean, y'all want above and beyond on that. I would hope I would hope that y'all got some kind of department recognition for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:29

Um I don't remember. I I think I I actually think we did.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:33

Yeah, I mean, because whether whether you're not whether or not you do it for the department recognition, that's something that departments should understand. That's above and beyond, right? Um, while we want our officers and our detectives to do exactly what y'all did, uh the the fact of the matter is they don't all do that. Um but you know, it is what it is. Um, you know, some of the things that I've dealt with that I can talk about some of the stuff that has gone through the court, and you know, people have been sentenced to whatever they've done, but um really just talking to people, um, you know, we'll get these cyber tips, and um you you you gotta watch the material, you gotta figure out what's going on with the kids in the video, and you see um kids being uh violently sexually abused and all these things, and the way that people talk about it. Uh, there was this one guy that we talked to, um, and this wasn't super long ago. Um, but we talked to him, we went to his house, woke him up, you know, very early in the morning to let him know, hey, we know what you've been doing. We're here to take everything that you've got that you could store child pornography on. And some of these people, they will seem like a canary when you give them the opportunity. Um and so he goes on to talk about all the things um that he's done. And you know, we end up finding we find a pair of underwear in this guy's uh sock drawer. And it's it's little girl underwear, it's like a size four, whatever it is for a little girl. Um and there's no little there's no little girls that live in this house. Um, it's him and his wife, and I believe they have like uh almost an adult son. And so I asked him, like, hey, what about this underwear in your sock drawer? Like, why do you have that? And uh he's been honest about everything so far, so why would he not be honest about this? And sure enough, he was. He said, Well, I just went to the store and I bought it. I said, Hey, what what business do you have with little girls' underwear? Because to me, it almost seems like a trophy that you took from one of your victims. Yeah, and he's like, No, he said, It's not a trophy, it's just you know, he has a sexual desire to have sex with little girls. Um, and so he ended up, he he bought that underwear so he can masturbate in it. Um, and there was there was DNA inside that underwear where he's he's just been using it.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:56

Gross.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:57

Um, and it's stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:58

I'm like, how do you check? Do you do you smell it?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:01

No, no, no, no. You know, the the old touch test, you're like, oh gosh, yeah, there's something on this, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:07

It's stiff, it's stiff, it doesn't flex.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:10

Yeah, you're like, holy crap, what was this made up? It's like garbage, yeah. You're like just holding it straight out, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh but stuff like that, you know, it's like that is not normal by any means. That's not normal for this guy to go to Target and go buy these little girls' underwear when he has no little girl, and then to explicitly just use it uh basically as a comrade, right? Yeah, um, and it's the whole thought of that he took this off of a little girl. Uh so yeah, it's you know, it's stuff like that. And you know, we can kind of go on and on and on about it, but um going back to like you talking about you discuss things with your wife. Um so back on patrol,

The Dark Details Investigators Encounter

SPEAKER_01 1:24:55

I don't and this is one of the things I'm like, this is why I don't tell my wife about a lot of my cases. Um, if she asks, I'll give her some details about stuff, right? But um she's she takes care of kids, she's a pediatric nurse, she she does all these things, so she's got a heart for kids as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:11

I don't want to nurse too.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:13

Is that not the most typical thing, Copson? It's crazy. Uh so but back on patrol, I had uh this little boy get drowned, and I remember hoping that the fire department was there first. I'm like, I don't I don't want to have to do CPR on a two-year-old little boy. Um, but I get there, and sure enough, fire department wasn't there. We got a great fire department, but uh they were, I guess, on a different call, whatever. And I remember getting there, and it was just a hectic, very chaotic, hectic scene. Um and this little boy, he's he's already out of the pool, and uh the parents they're you know freaking out. Um, but he's purple, his lips are real blue. And uh I remember just doing CPR on this kid and trying to get him to breathe. And you know, he's his body's trying to breathe like agonal breathing. Um, but he's I I don't think that we were I was even close to getting him back, but the parents are jerking on me, pulling on me to save their little boy, all these things.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:12

You can't stop, and that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:13

I'm like, I'm like, you've got to back up, like I'm trying to help him. But that was one of the first ones that really, really stuck with me because I'm like, man, how chaotic of a scene it was. Um, I also had a two-year-old at the time, and so you know, you you relate these things, you're like, man, this is like my kid. And so that kind of going back to like taking stuff home with me, that translated over to me not ever letting my kid get into water without me around. Um, to the point that I would yell at people if they did something around my kid while they're in the water. Um, because that's my priority, is like I can't let my kid turn out like this other kid.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:49

And it's not the fault of the parents, you know, accidents happen. Um but that was, I remember I would tell my wife about it, and I've talked about it for the longest time. She was one of them that encouraged me for uh to go to counseling. She's like, You've you've got to go see somebody. Like you talk about it every day. I I remember the day, um, August 7th, 2021. I'll never forget it. That's whenever it happened. But um after talking to her about that, and then I was like, Man, I almost feel like I'm depressing her by detailing everything from what I had to do. Yeah, and this is something she's done CPR on kids and stuff, and she understands she's like, but in her CPR cases, it's a controlled environment. Mine, I've got the parents yanking on me, I've got all this stuff going on. But after that, I was like, I don't really want to tell her a whole lot whenever it comes to kids because we've got young kids ourselves. Uh, she deals with kids all the time at work.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:40

Um and it's not something that I feel like you will ever get used to as a detective who works these kinds of cases and stuff, but um I just don't want her to ever have her, I don't know, her view of trying to protect kids ever skewed, like man. This is such a dark world that we that we have to work in, but like I don't want to relay that to her. Um, because I always want her to just be, you know, giddy and happy to help kids. So and I think that's something that you don't, you know, you can whenever you go work a dead body call, right? Like, oh man, this this person died from an overdose, whatever, you just step all around the body, you're trying to take care of the scene, process, make sure something nefarious hadn't happened. Um, but with kid cases, it's never like that. Yeah, it's not just a run in the middle, like you, I don't feel like you ever get desensitized to um dead kids, right? Or sexually abused kids or anything like that. It's every time you get it, it it hits you, and you're like, oh man, I've got to do something for these kids. Uh and most recently, um speaking with a a uh colleague kind of doing the same thing, he said what he does is whenever he would have uh a child victim, he would have a picture of that child victim. And um every day, every day he would come into work, he would put that picture up and it would remind him that's his why and that's what his purpose is to get justice for that kid. So I'm like, oh, I like that idea. Keeps you focused, keeps you optimistic that you're doing a good thing, um, while also kind of keeping you grounded so you don't lose your lose your cool on some of these things.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:16

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um you said something that kind of I I don't know if enough people know this about policing um and firefighters uh uh and EMS. When it's a kid, we don't pronounce on the scene ever. We work until we get to the hospital and the hospital works until the doctor says it's done. Um and and that's that's that's kids uh in general. I um I should preface like when it's uh something fresh like that. Now if it's like a decomposing body, obviously we're not working on a kid for stuff like that, but um yeah, when it drowning, whatever it is oh god, drownings are bad too. Because just like you said, the the body continues to try to just fight, even though that they're done. It's um but it's not my job to say that it's done. I think that's kind of how everybody I know, anyways. It's not my job. My job is to work until as limited of medical training as us cops get. Um we work until we can't work anymore when it comes to the case.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:27

Yeah, do everything you can until EMS takes the kid or whoever um until EMS takes a kid to a medical or a children's hospital or whatever, fly them out to wherever they gotta go. Um, it's our job to just try and get that pulse back.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:40

Yep, yep, absolutely. It's not that we don't work harder on other people, guys. That's not what I'm saying. Don't don't get on here and be oh cops, stop working on other people then. We'll be that guy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yep. Um, so oh thanks, Harrison. Harrison said he's gotta go. Appreciate Harrison dropping the uh the memberships tonight. I think he dropped 10 memberships. I don't know if I got a chance to shout out. I didn't want to cut off our guest.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:03

Sorry, I get long-winded sometimes when talking.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:05

Oh, you're fine. You're fine, absolutely. I just anytime people decide to throw their hard-earned money towards the channel, I like to give them some props and thank you very much. It all goes right back into the show so we can continue to make what I consider great episodes. Um, this is this is gonna be a really great one.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:22

Um thankful to be here for this. Um, and you know, something that I think I've even talked to you about it in the past is I think it would be beneficial, and I would like to at some point be able to do this thing, go around to different prisons and talk to some of these convicted sex offenders about, and it's not so much about wanting to give them a voice, but use it as awareness and see if some of these people that have nothing to lose will tell us why they did what they did and what they looked for and try and turn that into prevention for parents, right? Yeah, um, and it's I don't ever I would never want it to get spun like, oh, I'm giving this person an opportunity to claim fame or something like that. It's not that I would want to do it just to kind of go inside the mind of a predator, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:12

Um, and try serial killers, you do the same thing with them, we profile them. Why would we not do that with child predators to try to help stop future victims?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:21

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:23

Yeah, I agree. I think that's saying it's smart, um, you know, know thy enemy uh in a way. That's sure that's how I look at it. And the and people are gonna think I'm weird for saying this, but there are truly some predators that know they're sick in the head, they acknowledge it, and they do try to figure out ways to make it right with themselves. If by them trying to make it right with themselves is to help us out in catching future people, I'll take it because my ego's not involved in this. I want to catch other people like this guy. So which that goes into another question. I've never ran across the female predator. I'm sure they exist. I just I've never never seen or heard of one.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:06

Yeah, uh, I think there's been studies out there, it's like 85% of these kid uh victims that were studied, 85% of their abusers were male. Um, and I've only actually worked, I can only think of one that really stands out that was uh that was a female. Um I say elderly, she's not elderly elderly, but um, she's crap, close to 70, over 65. So by Texas law, she's Texas law, she's elderly. Yeah, yeah. So uh, but that one, I mean she was gross, very, very nasty, very, very nasty person. And it's like, what in the world? You know, uh, why don't you talk about kids this way? But she was another one of the people that you know never had any idea she would do something like that. She babysat for people.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:54

Um, so yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy, nasty. Um, Lacey dropped a comment and said, Will Seth be adding any long form content on his YouTube channel?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:07

Hey, uh, so I actually thought about that earlier today. I'm like, what could I do for long form content? Because you know, most of my videos I I upload on TikTok and Instagram.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:18

Short form stuff, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:19

Yeah, and you know, I I usually keep it about a minute or or less. Um and so I've kind of tried to think like what kind of long form content could I do that people really want to, you know, engage with. Um, so I'll definitely say it's not ruled out. I just got to do a little more.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:35

I can help get you started, brother.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:36

Oh, yeah, I know. I'll actually get text after this.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:38

Yeah, um, yeah, for sure. Um, because I started a what I like to call my in-between. It's not short form, it's not long form, it's kind of that mid-link. Um, I call it the gray area. So where um I start talking about kind of hot topic things that um like the last one I talked about was there sh needs to be a police registry. So if you get in the hiring process fired, um whatever it is, whatever your jacket is in law enforcement, whether it was you applied and you got ruled out, and an agency is like, no, we're ruling them out because of this, like that needs to go into one national registry. If you get fired, um that whole investigation needs to be put in there and there needs to be a name signed off to it. Um and investigations need to be complete. That's another part that I put I think needs to happen. So if you get in trouble and you're they're like, well, we'll let you resign in lieu of finishing this investigation. No, fuck that. You need to finish that investigation whether they resign or not. And that findings needs to go to that registry. So then if you become that Ronan cop that jumps department to department, doesn't matter where you go in this country, that's going to follow you. Um and then at the same time, there needs to be because there's departments that will try to railroad you uh and and get you fired for some bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:57

And any good investigator is going to be able to see through bullshit, a bullshit case. So that's another thing that it would help protect the good cops and it would, you know, stop these shithead cops like the Sonia Massey case, where that dude went to six different departments in four years and then ends up shooting that lady in the kitchen for the boiling water. That should have never fucking happened, bro. Shouldn't even have been in the house. They should have done left. They'd already checked the perimeter. She there's no intruders there. You could tell she was batshit crazy. Like all the all the signs were there, and then that I I talk about that case quite a bit because it pissed me off so much. But now that shithead's doing 20 years in prison, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:39

I mean, we would we would hold everybody else accountable for it just because somebody wears a badge and carries a gun doesn't give them the right to just take somebody's life whenever it can be avoided.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:48

Right. Oh yeah, especially when that was so avoidable.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:51

Um red flags were there, you know. Yeah, and I've never worked with somebody that I even questioned, you know, and I'm thankful for that. I've never worked with anybody that I've questioned their their morality or um kind of where their where their I don't know, standards were. Um they I never questioned if somebody would do something ridiculous. And if I had, I, you know, I would I would address that. But I'm very thankful that I've never had to work in a department where that's a problem. Um because like I said, it's it's it sheds a bad light on law enforcement in general, but it's specifically your department. Like, man, how can you be proud to work here because somebody ruined the name for you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:33

Yeah, yeah. I've uh unfortunately I have a I've had to arrest four cops. Um some from my own, some not.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:42

Um cops from other places, just not in my own department.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:46

So yeah, one shit had um drunk drove. He was a detective, drunk drove, uh T-boned a car, broke a 14-year-old girl's leg in the backseat, um, fled on foot, got picked up by uh a friend on the department. Um then they drove a couple blocks away from the house, but we were already um the idiot left uh I found his business cards all over in his vehicle. So I knew whose vehicle it was. So we automatically sent units and and the helicopter over towards his house, figuring that's where he was gonna go. And he we found him waiting in a car. We we, you know, because you got the red hot thermal. So we saw a car sitting with the engine on like a couple blocks away. And um, he was just trying to wait it out for the cops to go away, and then uh pulled up and we got him that way. So he got he got prison, I think. Uh I know for a fact him and one other person, that lieutenant and one other person got fired from that department as well because of all their involvement. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:52

Um it's not that hard to just be a good person.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:55

Yeah, and and they tried to play the he was being a good friend when he said, Hey, I need you to come pick me up, just don't ask any questions. That's what he told them. Yeah, so they did.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:07

But you gotta know that there's something up, like somebody calls me and says that'll be like, I don't know if I want to do this.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:14

Yeah, unless you're my child, like I'm not sorry, I'll do anything for my child. But um, yeah, no, there's no uh there's no way. And so yeah, but yeah, that was a that was a shitty one. Alcohol is usually involved when that happens. Yeah, yeah. So um, well, let me see if I got any other questions going on in the uh thing. Freeman said, Okay, Seth, I feel like we're all with you. Thank you for your hard work.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:45

I appreciate that very much.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:46

Uh let me see. You are great area you're great area post on use of force. Uh what? Perfect last week, whatever it was. You're great. Oh, I think what he's trying to say is your gray area post on use of force was perfect last week. Or whatever it was. Yeah, that's what we're trying to say there. Um, John I'm I don't want to butcher his last name. John said, I remember a case study on 200 enforcement officers, judges, and even a sheriff being arrested. Rough time. Yeah, I will it seems like a lot more cops are getting held accountable lately.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:26

And yeah, I don't know if it's because of social media, uh, cameras everywhere. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:33

I think that's a lot of it. I think a lot of it is cameras everywhere. Um and whether that's the officer's body camera or just you know, citizens with phones, yeah, uh recording the conduct. Um I don't know, but I do feel like it has been more often. Uh there was something I was wanting to talk about. I made a video on it earlier today. Um not saying her name. I I always I don't want to screw her name up. It's either Javea or Javiah Harris out of um South Carolina. She's a four-year-old little girl. Um she was she was reported missing June 30th. Uh parents had said that you know she was outside playing, and um and uh from there she just went missing. So I'm not exactly sure what the whole details were for the last couple days or the the next few days following that, but uh yesterday it actually came out that they believed that she had been dead for over a month by the time she was reported missing, and it was uh due to child abuse by the parents. Um, so they were both arrested for child abuse leading to homicide. So that's just something like I'm a big fan of bringing kids' names out who have been um taken from the world by the hands of people who are supposed to take care of them. Um, but that's you know, it's a sad thing to hear. But uh four-year-old little girl that was, you know, just being a kiddo and you know, eventually was abused or beaten to death. And then to the point the parents uh I don't believe her body's been recovered so far, but they were able to put things together to say that the parents have been uh the the abusers and they had ultimately killed her. So they're both uh held without bond right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:13

Yeah. Um, Ryan asked, any frustrations with DAs with your cases? Um can't really picture that in the area you're at. They're pretty known for their uh their justice.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:27

They are, they are. Uh I honestly goes back to what I said earlier. I've got great relationships. If there's anything like that I have questions about, we communicate very well. Um, I have not had a case get thrown out or dropped that I've sent over to the DA's office. Everything that has came over, um, I usually get pretty good feedback on hey, great work. I I've got one coming up um in September that you know it'll be uh it'll be a big one uh just because it involves a lot of things uh that are hot topics right now, abortion and um all kinds of different stuff. So um that one that that that's a big case, but um I don't I don't have any complaints, honestly. And that's not just because I don't want to say anything bad about them. I I've I've just got nothing to complain about. They do great work.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:17

Nice. Right, yeah. That's that's um, I

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SPEAKER_03 1:43:20

will say when I finally because you know, when you first become a detective, at least for me, I was like in over my head. I'm like, oh my god, there's so many new things to learn, how to file the cases, you know, how to communicate properly back and forth with the intake DA versus the actual DA that's gonna prosecute the case. I didn't realize there was a difference there. So yeah, I'm like, oh okay, there's a guy, okay. Now it kind of makes sense because it's the same thing in the detective's office where I was at was like, you have the guy that assigns the cases. That's another detective, but his job is to assign cases, which is an art in itself. And so it's the same thing for the DA. For those that don't know, let me educate you. Like, all these cases are coming in from around uh the city or county, however it is, where you're at. And now the intake DA has to make sure there's probable cause for the arrest and all of this stuff. So he's looking at the integrity of the case. If you don't have it, he's gonna let you know, like, no, we're not taking this case because you don't have what you need to push this forward. Where us as a detective, and so for detectives out there listening, new ones, like don't be afraid to ask the intake uh prosecutor, like call them up and be talk to them, don't email them. Have a conversation with people, make them get to know you. Um, build the rapport, but ask them, like, hey, how how what did I do wrong here? How do I fix this? Like, you know, where did I mess up? Because I to me it looks like I have everything I need. I don't think you're gonna push a case forward if you didn't think you had it. So um then they're gonna be like, well, this is how we look at this in court now. Like you're you're at a different level, you're not at the officer level anymore. And then take what you've learned as a detective and go pass that on at roll calls for patrol, because uh there's so much you didn't know in patrol at the detective level, and that's on our that that's that that's for guys like us, that's our job. Like we had to we had to push that stuff down. Now, me as a sergeant, like I where I'm at, I don't have to worry about that as much, but I still have to tell my officers because I work in a real-time crime center. I don't know if you guys have one of those where you're at, but um, I've got to tell my guys about how cases are built in their uh area, which is a lot different than being out in patrol and stuff like that. So um that's that's that's how we improve those that will be there um after we're gone. So I think that's that's our job. That's it's kind of one of the reasons why I do this platform is I'm I'm not just trying to help uh citizens have a better understanding, um, have them give us better perspective because if we're gonna be honest, Seth, we're in our own fishbowl. We it's hard to get outside of our fishbowl. So you got to listen to the guys like that are in the chat tonight. Um, Freeman and and Mr. Billfold and Luna and all these guys. Like they they give great perspective because they're not in our fishbowl. They're giving us stuff that we can't think about. So um that's why I like doing what I do with this, and it's helping close a lot of gaps that I see in law enforcement, gaps that I see uh with citizens, because there's a lot of stuff citizens. Like I guarantee a quarter of the chat tonight did not know that about a DA, and that there's an intake DA versus the one that actually prosecutes the case. And sometimes there's a disconnect between those two because the intake DA is sees it and is like, okay, well, that's Detective Levine, his cases are always solid, and he just pushes it forward. And then it turns out I messed up, and then I got the prosecuting attorney calling me, like, what the fuck is this garbage? And I'm like, Oh, my bad. My bad, bro. I I have it, I just forgot to send it. There you go. So yeah. Um, but for you, how how long are you gonna how long do you think you're gonna do this for the uh ICAC stuff?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:06

Uh as long as they'll let me. That's the thing. Um so uh, you know, there's there's people in in our area that have built really good names for themselves, and you know, like when you think of ICAC, you think of these certain people. That's what I want. I want to be known for um not knowing all there is about it, but like how to steer people in the right direction, how to how to investigate some of these cases. Um, so as long as they let me do it, I want to keep doing the ICAC and just the you know, physical and sexual abuse investigations as well. Um, but yeah, I see no no quit anytime soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:43

Excellent. Okay, well, good. I will help you definitely get that path. Um, when we get off here, I can tell you about all the ways that I'm networked with a lot of big names that would probably love to have you involved anyway. Um, and Stephen Hill wrote, Where can we follow Seth at?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:00

So uh unfortunately I was having a hard time with my links setting up here. Uh but so I would say TikTok is where I started. And it's uh I think my actual handle on there is uh at healthy underscore cop. Um but you can just find me by the Texas Detective, and then on Instagram, the Texas Detective Official, because the Texas Detective apparently by itself was already taken. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:28

So it's not like the same thing happened to me with two cops when donut. Yeah, I had the like a little underscore. I'm like, you son of a bitch. Yeah. Um, okay, and then YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:42

So it says I have YouTube channel. I may have created one, I just didn't really know it. Um, but if if I haven't, if I haven't, I'm definitely gonna start adding

Accountability Inside Policing

SPEAKER_01 1:48:50

stuff to it. I just gotta figure out exactly what I want to put on there.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:52

Okay, there we go. Well, when you start doing your longer form content stuff, we can talk about that as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:57

Um there was a question on here a while ago that I'd seen. I think somebody had asked if I'd ever presented or if I present to grand jury um and if I'd ever have had one no-build. Um the answer to that, yes. I uh routinely present to grand jury, uh, specifically whenever it's you know an in-depth um either child pornography case or an in-depth uh sex abuse or physical abuse of a kiddo. Um and I've only had one that was actually no-build, and that was one that by law it was physical abuse. Um, but the grand jury they just weren't a fan of uh how it was done. Um because it was kind of a nasty custody dispute thing started out, but then it ended up getting to where this kid was spanked hard enough on his uh bottom that his whole butt was bruised. And I personally thought that was a little excessive given the kid's age, he was under the age of five. And I was like, I don't think that's reasonable to discipline a kid. Like that, but um grand jury I guess thought differently. But ultimately the uh the DA was pushing the same thing as I was.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:07

I say people need to understand in Texas the law on discipline your kid is a lot more relaxed than in most states. Yep. Um short of serious bodily injury. Uh I mean um you can discipline your child here. Yeah. Um I've had no build, so I gotcha. Yeah, I I don't I'm pretty much batting a thousand. I'm pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:33

So um I'll I'll I'll step it up, Knox. I'll step it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:39

Hey, you tried, man. It's okay. That's all the matter. Everybody's gotta have a hero, everybody's gotta have a hero. That's what I tell people.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:45

I'm looking line right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:49

Um, okay. Well, guys, uh we're creeping up on two hours. I told him I'd try to keep this at two hours. Uh Seth, is there anything that we haven't gotten across tonight? I've gone through all the questions that have been sent in. Um, but is there anything that we haven't hit on with all of this that you just want to get out there and that people need to know about?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:11

Uh, you know, I feel like we've hit on pretty much everything that I can think of off the top of my head. The only thing is that I just want people to understand how important it is to be involved in your kids' life. Um, you know, I I've done the same thing. I've given my kids an iPad and said, hey, just watch YouTube or play video or not video games, like whatever app that I've installed on that app, that iPad, I need time to do whatever around the house. Um but I think if you involve your kids more in what you're doing, um you just stay more connected with them. Um but if you are going to give your kid a device, have parental controls on it. I don't care if they are 16, 17 years old. Uh you're not invading their privacy. You're doing your job as a parent. Um my honest belief is whenever it comes to stuff like that and my kids' safety and keeping them safe from somebody who's wanting to do bad to them, privacy is not a factor. Um, the phone is a privilege. Um and I I have the right to know what's going on there. So if you're not using parental controls, do it. Um in the long run, I think your kids will thank you. I've had I've had kids uh that are now adults reach out to me on social media and tell me that they wish that their parents would have used BARC or just a parental control um to prevent them from being victimized like they were. So I honestly I I think involvement in your kids' life, knowing who they're talking to, and if somebody's doing something to them, uh it can make it can set your kids up for success. Um because there are studies out there that show that kids who have been sexually abused are more prone to fall to be uh addicted to narcotics and uh you know go down a path of destruction, really. So it all comes down to parenting. And um, I don't think anybody intentionally is a bad parent. I say everybody. There are some people, uh, I just told you all about the little girl in South Carolina. Her parents were intentionally horrible parents. Um, but the majority of parents I think are good and they want to do good things, they just don't know how, or they feel like they don't have the time because it's become so normal to sit at the dinner table and your kid be distracted by their phone instead of conversation with the family. But um, you can you can get a lot by how your kid responds to your questions of how was your day? And if they just say good, that's not an acceptable answer. I want to know, I want to know what made it a good day, or if they say it was bad, I'm not just gonna say, okay, everybody can have a bad day. I want to know what made it bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:42

So um yeah, and don't demean them because what they consider bad isn't really that bad in your book. To them, it is bad. So let them let them explain. It's something that um my wife's always been really good at with our kids. Is they get in the car to go home from school, and the first thing you know, how was your day? Oh, it was good. Um, okay, what was good? Uh well I had this math test and I did really good on it and got that. Okay. What was the what was the down part of the day? Like what was your worst part of the day? No, all day was pretty good, Dad. Or mom, you know. Okay, cool. You didn't have any down times? No, okay. Did you and if they say yes, then we can kind of expand upon it. Okay, what was the downtime? Well, you know, uh Reagan was talking trash about me and said that you know that I don't really have a Doverman and I do have a Dobrin and you know, whatever little thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:32

Yeah, it's it's something small to us, but to them, you know, it ruined their video.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:35

Like, okay, how'd you handle it? Well, you start helping them learn how to deal with you know resolution of things.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:40

So yeah, and I I think uh I think something that I tell my kids all the time is I love you. Right? That goes a long way, especially if they've had a bad day. But you know, I've I've had uh cases where you know 13, 14-year-olds have killed themselves and they leave a note saying that they didn't feel like anybody loved them and they were an outsider in a group of outsiders and all these different things. And it's like you never know what your kids are actually going through unless you are there to talk to them. Um because if you don't talk to them and you just get in the routine of having no involvement or communication with them, then things happen like that, and you don't you you just don't really know.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:22

Yeah. Um, we got some uh some good comments here before you take off. Seth, honestly, I feel like we're so uh appreciative of your hard work, and we all thank you for defending the most vulnerable among us. Um I appreciate it. David Edmondson said, I hope Seth has a great has a great support group for our all you've seen. God bless you and continued success catching these pervs. I appreciate that, David. Uh there was another good one I saw. Damn, I lost it. Where'd it go? The hard part about not having my people here with me tonight. Uh uh you've got a good sorry, go ahead. Oh, he said Ryan said, Thank you, Seth, for all you do. I'm sorry you've had to see the things you've seen uh to get these guys, but I'm glad there's people like you doing the work. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:08

I I appreciate that. You've got a good group of people commenting on here and uh tuning in for. I mean, they're people could easily hop on here and just be absolutely disrespectful. And um, but there's there's a lot of support here, and you've built a good community, that's for sure. Yeah, and that's it. That's the big thing about it is being in law enforcement, no matter what aspect of law enforcement you're in. Um having a social media. I know some people are like, oh, cops shouldn't have social media, but this is where I think it's beneficial. Um when we're here for education, like I you're never gonna see me. I don't I don't dance, right? I'm I'm never gonna dance, I'm not, I'm not gonna sing, I'm not gonna do all these things. But if I gotta act a little silly to get some attention and then talk about a serious thing, I'll do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:49

Um

Practical Parenting Takeaways And Wrap

SPEAKER_01 1:56:50

because at the end of the day, I said it from uh, I mean, probably an hour ago that my whole point of having social media was to educate people on how often kids are being victimized. Um, but having a good community that supports you, I mean, that that encourages you to keep on going. Um but uh like like he had said, you know, for all the things that I've seen, at the end of the day, I personally believe God has equipped me with the uh with the ability the ability to process some of the information and keep moving forward with it. Um, because I know it's not for everybody. I I work with a lot of cops who are like, I can't do that, I could not do that, you know. Personally, I just couldn't handle that. Um you know, and it's no nothing on them. Them knowing their limitations is more important than them trying to swallow their ego and doing it and then doing a bad job or destroying themselves in the process of trying to do a good case.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:44

So um before you go, I want to I want people to understand what we're talking about when we talk about your videos in particular, because you have a very specific style, yeah, and I love it. Um, so this is his Instagram page. We got to get them numbers up there. Uh because your TikTok's destroying that. Um you and I are the opposite. I cannot grow TikTok, dude. I just don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:11

Yeah, I'll tell you, TikTok's been, I feel like growing kind of slower here. I'm almost at 250, 250,000 now, 249.2, I think is what it was earlier. So crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:19

Yeah, I'm I've been at 25,000 for like three years. So it just doesn't move. It is what it is. But um let's uh let's try the first video here. Oh, we gotta unmute it.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:35

Whenever it comes to kids being taken from this world by the hands of another, I believe it's important for that little kid to have a voice and to have their story told. With that being said, let's talk about Javea Harris out of South Carolina. Just on June 30th, she was reported missing after her parents said that she went missing from just playing outside her house. Fast forward to July 4th, both parents have been arrested. Mom and dad have been arrested for her homicide. This is a four-year-old little girl who had the whole world ahead of her and the people who are supposed to take care of her. Once again, we see it over and over. The people who are supposed to take care of them don't do it. Unfortunately, this little girl, she never gets to explore the world and see what she could have been or what God's greatest creation could have turned out to be. But thankfully, the parents are being held accountable, and hopefully that the extended family are able to grieve through this process, and I'm sure they would appreciate y'all's prayers.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:22

All right. Let's look at I want to find one of your where you walk in.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:28

Yeah. Uh you might have scrolled back a little bit. Here recently, I feel like I've You changed it up a little? Well, not intentionally. I just feel like I've my my timing has been kind of thrown off a little bit, but yeah, I need to get back to that.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:44

Yeah, it corrects me off.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:45

Let me try this one. Let's see what happens.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:47

Uh so as a detective who investigates crimes against children.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:51

Nope, that's not it. Oh, here we go. You're not in the frame. That's not it either.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:05

I have some, or like I ride in on a scooter and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:07

There you go. This is one.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:08

Oh, hey. So, one of the questions I could ask the most is how did I get into the position to investigate the case?

SPEAKER_03 2:00:15

I just wanted you guys to see. He's got like a hundred videos where he starts and he just comes into frame. Oh hey, and he's so eeyore about it, just so downtrodden. And then it turns out he's saying some of the most critical information ever. Uh I love it. Uh everybody's got to have their own style, man. And you have got it nailed. Good old Texas boy for sure. Uh you definitely you got the accent too. I love it. I love everything about it, dude. You're doing great. You're doing I don't know if you guys are uh believers in God, whatever it is you believe in, but I think he's out there doing the Lord's work, uh, whoever the Lord is to you. So I wanna, I want, I want you to keep doing what you're doing, brother. I really appreciate you deciding to jump on. Um it's always risky. You never know how a person's gonna be unless you really do your research on them and whatnot, and you took a risk, uh, like everybody does when they try to do one of these things. I think you nailed it. I think our people love you. I think you just got a whole bunch of new fans.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:12

I hope so.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:13

And uh yeah, we're gonna we're gonna put this audio out and we're gonna put the the video out as well. So see that. Look forward to this episode, guys, on Apple, Spotify, YouTube. Um they'll all be available for you guys to check it out. And there's a whole bunch of other uh platforms for the audio version if you like that stuff. But um, I'll clip this up too, Seth, and then uh you know I'll I'll tag you in everything that we do and see see what happens. But uh yeah, make sure you guys like, follow, subscribe, and then uh yeah, everybody that's in the audience tonight, thank you for uh participating. So it was a good simple episode. I like this. We didn't complicate it with a bunch of people on tonight, and um, not that they were available, everybody's busy tonight. So I found out I was doing the episode by myself and I was like, sweet, it's gonna go by smooth, fast, and uh not be complicated. So you got anything to close us out, brother?

SPEAKER_01 2:02:07

No, sir. Uh like I said, I appreciate you for letting me uh come on here and spread the word. Anytime I can get the opportunity uh to talk about some of these things, I do it.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:15

Um awesome, and I think I think our audience would love to have you just come on and be a part of some of the other stuff we do. We don't have to keep it about children stuff every night. We just come on and you know, use your experience as a cop and join in the chats. So absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:30

Yeah, I'll open for it up. I'll I'm open for it anytime.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:33

Hell yeah. All right, guys. Everybody out there, thank you and have a good night. Take it easy.