Sean Lozano Breaks His Silence

A lot of people want “police reform,” but they argue about the loudest moments and ignore the everyday mechanics that actually decide whether a community feels safe or targeted. We sit down with Sean Lozano, a Florida cop turned political operative and now a candidate for lieutenant governor, to talk about what he saw on the street and what he thinks has to change in the system behind it. He’s blunt about why many people become cops, why “good intentions” collapse without training, and why the public’s frustration often comes from small constitutional violations that stack up over time.

We get specific about law enforcement accountability: stopping bad behavior in the moment, challenging supervisors who don’t understand basic legal standards, and ending the culture where agencies “audit themselves” and declare everything fine. We also dig into budgets and priorities, from expired vests and thin training schedules to shiny tech purchases that don’t move the needle. Then we widen the lens to the courts, because street work means less when prosecutors plead serious cases down with no explanation. If discretion is real, the public should be able to see how it’s used.

The second half turns practical with a body-cam style breakdown of a narcotics detention and foot chase, including what went right, what should be done differently, and why command presence is not the same thing as pointless aggression. We close with a hard conversation about license plate readers and Flock-style systems, surveillance creep, vendor access to data, and what real guardrails and criminal penalties for misuse should look like.

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

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Meet Sean Lozano And His Background

SPEAKER_03 0:53

All right, welcome back. I am your host, Eric Levine. This is Two Cops, One Donut. Got my co-host with me, Banning, and our special guest logged in with no time to spare.

SPEAKER_09 1:07

Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:07

John Lozano. What's up, brother?

SPEAKER_09 1:09

What's going on, guys? How are you guys? Um, I just got to my hotel in Orlando a bit ago, and um I just left Tampa and you know, I'm just getting myself set up here. So I was like, man, I'm I'm like running shorter on time than I was expecting, but I made it in time. So here we are.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

No worries, it happens. Let me uh let me get this arranged here, make you the center focus point of attention. So um, yeah, this is our first live that we've done since I went on vacation. Um, Sean, I know you don't know this, but yeah, I went on vacation last week. Normally we do these live streams every Sunday uh at 8 p.m. Eastern. And if you are new to the show, what we do is we talk everything that involves law enforcement, the criminal justice system, and how we can make it better, bridging the gap, finding out what we suck at, what we're good at, why we think we're good at something, what makes it good, why you should repeat those things, and then uh kind of finding out what led people down a path in law enforcement or the military. I'm both military um and police, and banning uh is a re I shouldn't say retired marine. He he he was an active duty marine that stopped doing it, and then uh he he was uh now he's a retired cop. Um so just to give you a little bit of our background, Sean. And then uh yeah, we're both out here in Texas, and I know you're out there in Florida, and I happened to run across one of your um we don't do a whole lot of politics on here, but your campaign video was sent to me, and it was fucking awesome. Uh because it was just uh some hard-nosed police work, uh, was the the whole election video, so I thought that was pretty cool. But Sean, uh enough of my rambling mouth here. I want to respect your time and I want to get to know you. I want people to understand your background, and I kind of want to go from how you decided to become a cop, maybe if you had a military background or anything like that, and then how does a cop end up getting into the realm of politics? Because that's so far beyond anything I ever want to do. Uh, I just want to hear how that goes. But uh, go ahead and introduce yourself, brother.

SPEAKER_09 3:20

So, yeah, first of all, thanks for having me on the show, guys. I really appreciate it and obviously appreciate what you guys do and your service out there in Texas. Um, you know, it's funny. I uh first of all, I'm the first cop in my family. There there wasn't any other law enforcement in my family, not that I'm aware of at least. So it's just something that always kind of called to me. I think you anybody that that wears the badge and does this job, I think, for the right reasons, kind of has that same feeling of like just you're you got this itch you have to scratch, and you know, you might pursue it one point in your life and it doesn't work out, and then you go do something else, and then it just keeps going back up until you I think you just take the dive. And I think I I always thought I would just regret it for the rest of my life if I didn't get to have that experience as a police officer. And so I'm I'm thankful for that experience. Um, I did a ride along with Fort Lauderdale PD. This is like gee, nine years ago now, maybe eight years ago. And I remember we were leaving roll call, and this guy, this this patrol officer, he says to me, Why do you want to do this job? And you know, I started giving like that canned like interview. I'm like, well, sir, you know, I want to better the community and I want to blah blah blah. And he's like, dude, like, first of all, if you apply here, like I'm not even gonna be the person that is on your board. Like, just give me the real like, you need to come up with a better answer if that's your actual answer. And I was like, I want the action, I guess. Like, I want the excitement. And he's like, that's a better answer, honestly. Um, and and I think that everybody, like, it's hard to understand this if you don't do this, if you if you never did this job, but like if your whole why is to better your community, you're very quickly going to become disillusioned, I think, and maybe uh unmotivated because it's not just what you what we do out, you know, what you guys do out in the field and what police do, it's it's what the prosecutor does, it's what the judge does. It's it's do you have a good full legal system in the the city and county in which you're you're enforcing the law? And if the answer is no, then it doesn't really matter how effective you are on the street. You know, look, I'm sure you you you've been doing this longer than me. I've arrested the same person. Uh, probably Patrick Ford is one of my most frequent arrests. I arrested that guy like six times, okay? And I'll keep arresting that guy. Well, if I was still a cop, I'd I'd keep arresting him. And so um I think that you know, my why was just I love doing it. I loved waking up every day and putting on my gun belt and vest. And um, I never thought twice about, oh, what if this happens, what if that happens? No, I just loved getting to the shit. You know, I would have coworkers that would say to me, like, man, Lozano, why why do you do this to yourself? Like every day you, you know, we hear you over. I don't know if you guys use ten toes out there, but you know, okay, so every day like we hear you getting over the radio, you're yelling 1031, or you're doing this, or you know, you're you're you're shouting, you know, you're out with a 51, like you're you're always doing something. It's like, why do you do this to yourself? Because we make the same money sitting under a tree. And yeah, I just I love doing it. That's why I do it. You know, I didn't do it because of whatever punishment they were gonna get or a pat on the back. I certainly didn't get you know any of that, any of that. Um, it was just about you know, loving the job. So I truly loved it. Um I I policed in a city called Lauder Hill. Um, it's a city of about 82,000. They average between uh say 35 homicides a year. The high years like 40, low 40s, mid-40s for for a city that size, as you guys know, is is pretty high. Um lot a lot of crime in Lauder Hill, uh 82% black demographic and um twice the national violent crime rate in Lauder Hill. So certainly busy.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

Okay. Now, when you got started, uh what how long did you police? Like when did what year did you jump in? Um I got started in earnest.

SPEAKER_09 6:48

Uh well, my my really I got sworn in in 2022. I started in 21, but I really sworn in 22 and worked from from 22 until the very end of 2025.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Okay. All right. So you jumped in and was this a sheriff's department? Was this a city police job municipal municipality? Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 7:07

Municipality, yep.

SPEAKER_03 7:08

Okay. So in doing that, about how many cops were at your department?

SPEAKER_09 7:13

Um, I mean, we we were like a hundred and we were like 140 sworn, but only probably like 50 on patrol.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

Okay, so that's it's not what I it's not what I would call a gigantic police department, but for the national average, it's above average. So national average is like 20. 20 officers average. So you're you're you got quite a few. Um, and then from my understanding, now obviously I'm not in Florida, but Florida, all the cities kind of like run over each other. So yeah. Whoever's surrounding you, all of their stuff's going to be in on you too, because Florida's kind of narrow.

SPEAKER_09 7:56

So Yeah, we have mutual aid, you know, with um, you know, Fort Lauderdale, Sunrise, Plantation, Tamarack, Um, Lauderdale Lakes. A few of those cities are are managed by the sheriff's office, police by the sheriff's office, but um a few of them have their own sunrise, you know, they have their own jurisdiction, their own municipality. So yeah, we had mutual aid, and there was a lot of guys at those agencies that I worked with on, you know, signal tens. Like it but for whatever reason, Lauder Hill was a shit magnet. So uh a 10, like a stolen vehicle would always end up back in Lauder Hill. Um, just whatever was going on in that city, um, it would come back to Lauder Hill. So we worked a lot with those guys, and um, you know, you kind of worked similar or had a similar sort of understanding of of of how the job was just because of kind of like you said, like kind of being on top of each other.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

Now, how old are you?

SPEAKER_09 8:45

I'm 31.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

Okay, so you you started in your early 20s. Uh like mid-20s. Mid-20s, I should say, yeah. So you did you start when COVID was still ripping and roaring?

SPEAKER_09 8:58

No, so it was just like at the end of COVID.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

Just in Florida.

SPEAKER_09 9:02

Yeah, and in Florida, like it wasn't like my academy was, you know, because Florida wasn't so bad, like, thank God we had Governor DeSantis here because um the most of the COVID things lifted. Now, obviously, you know, in like government world, it wasn't quite that fast. Um, and my academy was still like sort of weird at the beginning, and by the end of my academy, it was like everything was normal. It's kind of a weird transition to see it in real time. Um, but yeah, like I didn't police during like the heart of COVID. I I've heard the stories, of course, of you know, just what that was like and dealing with 38s and you know, just contact versus no contact.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

And yeah, I was just curious if you had to go through your training during that time because yeah, I mean you've heard of COVID babies, like there's kids that have like developmental issues because they vanny, what do you got? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

But you know, COVID babies coming through. I had a few, a handful of guys and gals that I trained, and they literally did their defensive tactics via YouTube videos from their sitting from home, and they got certified, and the state actually hit that approval button because another warm seat in a car in the city somewhere in Texas.

SPEAKER_09 10:14

And that's all they care about. Yeah, that's absolutely sure.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

I was I was actually in Destin when on vacation when COVID kind of kicked off, and we were uh in a uh really nice uh what is it, a uh deal on the beach, standing on the stand on the beach, man, and it was coming through the news. And it was just like, you know, and then the the the officials in Destin and Fort Walton Beach, uh, which I'm very familiar with, but they used to used to live down there years ago, uh, were saying, you know, we're gonna have to start having less contact on the beach, and you gotta wear these and of course, man, it was we had we had two other days in our vacation, we enjoyed the friggin' uh beach and then drove home likely. But yeah, man, it was just it was ridiculous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Um I'm just curious. So uh because my brother-in-law was from clear, he retired out of Clearwater, Florida, uh police department there. Um he told me like the implant percentage at most departments that he's seen is like upwards of 80% of officers at a department are implants from another state. Do you were you born and raised in Florida or is were you an implant as well?

SPEAKER_09 11:22

So I I would be considered an implant. I mean, I didn't do any law enforcement outside of the state of Florida, but um it's it's kind of funny actually. So my family is from Florida. My mother grew up, was born and raised in Florida. Um her her dad uh grew up in in well, was in Florida for most of his life. Her mom, uh their family is really you know from Florida. So my parents got together. My dad's side of the family, by the way, is from Cuba, but my dad was born and raised in uh here in uh yeah, here in the United States. His parents immigrated from Cuba, and then they their first stop was here in Florida, and then they went up to North Jersey, has a big Cuban population. Um, so they ended up in New Jersey. So my dad moves to Florida. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:02

I had the comedian, if nobody knows what I'm talking about, he's from Cuba, but he lives up in New Jersey and he's always rep in Cuba.

SPEAKER_09 12:07

So yeah, it's funny because people a lot of people don't realize, like I mean, if you know him, you do, but a lot of people don't realize that there's a significant Cuban population in North Jersey. Yeah. Um but yeah, my dad moved down to to Florida at a young age and met my mom. And um for whatever reason, after getting pregnant, they were like, let's go back to New Jersey. I don't know why anybody maybe in the 90s there was some draw to New Jersey, but I cannot imagine today thinking I should go to New Jersey. So I've been in Florida for the last uh decade and I've never thought once about returning to uh New Jersey.

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Hey, I grew up in Michigan, so I'm with you. I have no interest in going back to snow and cold and gross for eight months out of the year. Yeah. Uh no thanks. Not once you've been down in a what I like to call a summer state, uh so between Texas and Florida. Um, I love Florida, it's great. Uh great place to vacation for sure. Yeah. Um like like we talked about on the phone, I like Texas a little better.

Cuba Travel And Police Presence

SPEAKER_03 13:05

So I know you, I know you got your uh your heart there for it. So um, but Cuba. Okay, so I kind of want to let's go down that rabbit hole a little bit because one love the food. Uh me and the wife would go to Miami uh for our anniversary. We had like a we didn't do it intentionally, but like for three or four years in a row, we'd go to Miami for our anniversary, just one because of the food and the dancing and the Cuban culture down there, just awesome. Um, it's fun. If nobody's ever really witnessed it or seen it, it's one of the most fun cultures and best food uh to be around. Uh great time. So, did you get to go back to Cuba at all? Or go, or I shouldn't say go back. Did you get to go there because of your dad or anything? Or was it like so?

SPEAKER_09 13:48

Funny enough, but yeah, I think most Cubans when they leave, they don't ever want to go back. Um, my my dad's side of the family, like he was born here, but his um his one of his siblings was born over there, and his mother obviously was from there. And um, they they never returned. Um, there was this you know big fear that like if you went back, they weren't gonna let you leave. And um, I mean, I don't think there's ever been any documented cases of that, but I think they have like such a horrible experience and like they're traumatized by the communism that they just don't want to even get near it. Um, I did go to Cuba on a trip in 2019. Me and some friends uh flew down to uh Cuba. It was like just before Trump closed it again. So we went down to Havana. It was really cool to see actually. Um, because I knew where like their I did like my my grandparents like where their house was. I got to like drive down that street and like see their house. Um and it was like bizarre, you know, just be in like I mean, essentially a third world country, but uh just a place that like most people don't get to go and see, and it's just 90 miles south of our own country. So um it was neat to see Cuba. Um, I don't speak any Spanish, so you know, and I like I realize like I'm like a uh like a Hispanic looking guy, so like people will just like their default, like especially theirs, they're just like let me, you know, they just speak Spanish.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

I'm like, sorry, what you know you're with your partner and they look at you, they're like yeah, yeah, yeah. That would happen, and then you're like it. I don't know. Um yeah, yeah, I bet it does, you big ginger bastard. That's true, yeah, yeah. That's hilarious. Um, so did you get to witness any of the policing there? Like I know it probably limited, but I was just curious what your impression was of the policing in Cuba. It's actually kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_09 15:30

Um, I yes, I saw some of the policing there in that there's like a presence, um especially in the like more tour, like if you're you know downtown Havana essentially, um, yeah, there's definitely a quite a presence. I think it's because obviously there's a big, you know, it's an impoverished country, so these people want to take advantage of the tourists that come there and have money. And I remember just I felt safe like the entire time I was in Cuba. Like I never felt like I don't know, I I couldn't walk down the street or something. And I would ask the Cuban people, hey, what do you think of your government? You know, and one person eventually heard me asking that question, maybe like the sixth person I asked, because I just don't like a curious, like I want to know like what the people think here. And this guy hears me asking this question and he he stops me and he goes, Excuse me, he says, You should stop asking people that question. And I'm like, Oh, why? And he's like, Because like no one's ever gonna answer truthfully. They know like the the government watches them and they they're never gonna say anything bad. And I was like, Oh, because everybody's like, Oh, I love it, it's great, it's great. And I was like, you know, surprised to hear that. So this guy's telling me, he's like, Yeah, like no one's gonna ever tell you the truth. So I was like, Well, you know, I don't feel like there's any kind of like not that I I don't support the Cuban government anyway, of course. Like, I think what they the way they run their country is horrible. But I said to the guy, like, I felt like pretty safe the whole time. And he's like, Yeah, well, you came in with an American passport, right? I'm like, Yeah, of course. He's like, I promise you, they're following you and they're keep they're making sure that like nothing, you don't do anything weird and no one bothers you, they just want you here, spending your money, and leave. And it was like an interesting conversation to have with this guy because it was really quick. It was like just he heard me asking this question, he goes, but stop asking that question. I'm like, Okay, and I stopped asking.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

Yeah, um, yeah, that's that's interesting. What I did hear, what Joey Diaz said actually. It's funny that I didn't plan on talking about Joey Diaz on this, but I am a I'm a comedian fan. Like, I literally named this show after another comedian podcast, Two Bears, One Cave. Oh, yeah. That's Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura, which Bert Kreischer is a huge presence in Florida because I guess he graduated from uh Florida Seminals College. I don't know what they call it. FSU. FSU. There you go. I think that's where he graduated. Um but uh the Joey was saying that the way the reason that happens is because they they pay each other, they'll pay you to rat on somebody else that talks ill of the government. So you never want to rat or say something bad about it because somebody else is gonna turn you in for talking ill of the government. I'm like, that is crazy. Um, and I just like I said, I had no idea.

SPEAKER_09 18:00

Like I didn't people were probably in again. I look, I guess, you know, Hispanic, I look like a Cuban guy, so they're like, Who's you do look like a Cuban guy? Yeah, so who's this who's this Cuban guy that sounds white asking me what I think about the government? They were probably like terrified, like, why is he asking me this question?

SPEAKER_03 18:16

That's funny. Um, so one of the things that we do

Calling Out Bad Cops In Real Time

SPEAKER_03 18:20

on here, Sean, that you may not be familiar with, um, is we have a lot of audience engagement, so we let our audience talk and ask questions and stuff like that. Yeah, cool. Um, and I I take pride in letting some of the trolls uh their voice come through. So I can see exactly uh you know, and I'm not gonna say this guy's a troll, but I've never seen him on here before. But Thomas Tarkanian, he is not a fan of police. He said, When you cowards, stay silent, watching your coworkers violating someone uh because you don't want to lose your job or get turned down by your own uh you're a coward and a tyrant. Every single one is a coward. I would agree. Uh, you're not gonna get an argument from me, Thomas. If you if a cop sees something and he doesn't do anything about it, then yeah, he's a coward, he doesn't belong in the career. I'm not gonna let another cop do something bad in front of me. And like I tell people, most of the time they're like, Oh, a cop's never done anything bad in front of you. No, because most of the time I get ahead of them. If I hear a cop start talking ill and you know he's he's ramped up because that happens too, I pull him back. Hey, bro, you go deal with this, I got that. I stop it before it becomes a thing. But Sean, you tell me, I know banning has. I have I've got four I've arrested four cops in my career. Wow, it's not something I'm proud of, but of course not. It's it's it's it what's what had to happen.

SPEAKER_09 19:43

And I think um people don't realize, first of all, and I think you guys are gonna immediately get what I'm saying, but they don't realize that there are groups or cliques at every agency. And so those guys, I wouldn't you wouldn't naturally gravitate towards people like that. You know, if there was somebody there doing something that they shouldn't be doing, that wouldn't be somebody that I'm I'm running with. And uh to answer Thomas's thing, though, uh I have a personal sort of anecdote that I won't dive too deeply into, but I I personally challenged a supervisor, a a black female supervisor, who ordered the wrongful arrest and a 38, a domestic, because she didn't think it would be helpful to arrest the wife, despite having problem cause established that the wife was a primary aggressor. Um I took it so seriously that I filed a formal complaint against her for lying. And uh it became a big issue in my department. But um, yeah, to Thomas's point, and I don't think I'll ever win over a guy like Thomas, but to Thomas's point, um I did take the job seriously, and I took it so seriously that I wasn't gonna let a person who I don't believe was qualified to even be in her position make decisions ordering people to make bad arrests. And it was serious to me because of this reason. I knew better, but what if she's ordering somebody that's brand new? Every, you know, when you're new, you look at somebody with stripes and you just think they know everything. The work that they they know what they're talking about. So of course this rookie is just gonna do whatever this person says. I knew better though. And so what if she's trying to make an order to somebody that doesn't? And yeah, sure, it's a it's a 38. So like you really can't make a bad, you know, call on if it's which spouse, as long as you know you have enough. You can pretty much articulate, you know, a simple domestic fine. Somebody's just going to jail tonight. In Florida, somebody's got to go to jail if there's injuries. But um, what if it was something more serious? And this rookie ends up violating somebody's rights or or doing something that's very serious, they could put their certification in jeopardy, or worse, maybe they're gonna go to jail because this supervisor doesn't understand the law. So I I do think that that kind of thing is serious, Thomas. And uh I think that the problem with Thomas is just that not him in particular, but I think that people that say that, oh, you're all cowards, they lump us all into one category. I mean, look, most police officers do this job and they're not bad people. Maybe they don't all do it because they want to run and gun or they want the action, but most people. That do this job aren't bad people.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

Agreed. And and a lot of that is is is is the algorithms sometimes people have their YouTube set up on. When you when you ask for bad, you're going to get bad, you're going to get bad. And unfortunately, there's not a lot of FOIA requests for those of you Freedom of Information Act. They're not going out there looking, going, I'm going to ABC Police Department today. I need the last 10 videos of your officers doing something amazing. Yeah. I want to put it out on my because that doesn't attract an audience that's going to watch fully. And but that's the way it is in a lot of parts of the United States. Now, Eric and I's ears, I believe, since he has started this podcast and later invited me on as a co-host, has been inundated and starting to see more of a picture of kind of what's going on that maybe we've been blind to as law enforcement throughout our career and starting to open our eyes that there is maybe a bigger problem than what is purported within the law enforcement community. Um, and that's, you know, I hate to see that. And that's another reason why we try to do this every week, uh, to kind of give everybody a platform and bring that community and law enforcement back together, kind of where it's been severed. Because just like you said, is there a lot of great things going on in law enforcement? Absolutely, but we still have to be held more accountable at each and every agency across this country.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Yeah. Um, Thomas, I I'm I I'll let me apologize. Uh I think I said I that you're being a troll and then I took it back. I think that's what I said, but um I'll I'll go ahead and apologize. No, you're not a troll necessarily. One, you're actually giving dialogue. So I'm not gonna say you're a troll. Most trolls just rant and then they don't they don't participate in the actual conversation. So I take it back. You're not a troll. If I didn't make that clear earlier, I apologize. You're not a troll. Um but I will say you also do have a point. There are a lot of videos out there, and there are tons of examples of cops not stepping up. Um, one of the the best examples that I like to use on here, and a lot of our audience knows is and Sean, you tell me if you've ever seen this video. There's a sergeant that is going overboard with a guy in the backseat of a car, and a female actually steps in and is like, Sarge, you're like trying to separate them, like doing what we've all been taught. Like, hey, if you see somebody getting a little heated, step in and take over and switch out. And the Sarge turns around and grabs her by like the throat. Like, let me tell you something.

SPEAKER_09 24:22

That happened at Sunrise Police Department. That's a neighboring police agency to tell her that I work with Sunrise Police. I'm very okay, I'm very familiar with that. Yeah, instead of doing the right thing. Yeah. That was and I think that it's easy to get carried away. Of course, you know, uh, we're not we're not robots. Um, and so I I think that that's even you know, there's a scale to that. It's like we we shouldn't, oh wow, he stepped out of line one time. The problem is though, where I think you get maybe too comfortable in that area where you think of yourself as being in, you know, having emotions and being a human being, and and you don't separate yourself enough from the from the job. And whatever was going on with him that day, man, is just like obviously he let he let you know his personal life just get the better of him, and uh he decided to kind of unload that day because yeah, there's never going to be a situation where and something like that happened in my agency, which I with another officer that I you know I'm not gonna comment on because he has an ongoing uh thing, but um you know I think that we have to be careful about how we're intervening with something going on, you know. Um if somebody's scrapping with somebody, it's completely different, obviously. But if someone's scrapping with somebody, and like let's say, let's say either of you guys show off to a situation where one of your officers, your your zone partner, is fighting with somebody, your inclination isn't to ask him, Well, hang on, how'd you get in this situation? You're just gonna go and beat that guy's ass, you're gonna tase him, you're gonna do whatever you can to get that guy detained, and then you're gonna figure out what happened, right? And maybe he was in the wrong, I'm probably not, but maybe he was in the wrong. But your inclination is not to question how he got in that position first. But what happened in Sunrise is just insane because it's like, hey, the guy's in custody, he's, you know, you don't need to be, you know, it's it's over. You won. It's done. Yeah, you won. Yeah. And so that's where, again, I think it's it's there's you know, what when when we fail, like to Thomas's point, I think when we fail to call out the the the clearly bad instances, that's when it looks like it's a problem.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

Yeah. Um, and Harrison's he's he's pointing out something. Um, and I didn't say one percent asshole. So Harrison's a buddy of ours. Uh I didn't say one percent are bad. We know that it's more than one percent. Um and and and Sean, I've made this clarification on here before. And what I mean by there's this this constant made-up statistic that cops like to say, oh, 99.9% are out there doing the right thing. No, they're not. There's there's a there's a very large percent that I don't think, and this is where my per my made-up percentages come in. I think there's a a large majority that are out there thinking they're doing the right thing, they're trying to do the right thing, but they've got piss poor training, um, bad police culture, uh, that have have made them think what they're doing is right. Um, and it's it's all constitutional-based police issues is is the main culprit. And then ego, uh, that's another big thing. So do I think that that that 0.1% is the the percent that's out there doing malicious things? Yes. I I think that there's not that many cops out there that are, you know, on the take or out there intentionally like yeah, yeah, like stuff like that, um, out there intentionally fucking with people, like and setting up cases. I don't think that's much higher than you know, uh less than a percent. We'll put it that way.

SPEAKER_09 27:42

Yeah, I think certainly nowadays Oh, go ahead. No, no, go, go, go, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

I was gonna say, but I do think that there is a large percent that they think they're doing the right thing, but they're forcing ID when ID shouldn't be done, or they're disarming citizens on basic traffic stops for no other reason than to go on a fishing expedition. And I'm vehement vehemently, is that how you say that word? I can't say the word properly. Um, I'm very much against taking somebody's firearm on a basic traffic stop when you have no other indicators that there's some sort of nefarious incident going on. And and again, I hate to point out Florida, but there was a a recent case where an officer asked the driver. It was consensual, it was all consensual, so there's no wrongdoing, but now you you're taking a firearm of somebody, and the person that takes the firearm shoots the poor gun owner in the leg. Uh, and now we've got an incident that should have never even occurred. Why are we taking the gun from a guy who had a license to carry, told you about the firearm, and you're pulling him over for a basic traffic stop? That shit infuriates me. So we're fucking up, we're we're being bad cops in these little things that this is what the majority of people are pissed off about when they have a uh a negative connotation towards police, and then all it takes is that one Minnesota, you know, the recent Minnesota accident to happen, or whatever it is, and now everybody's go so mad, and cops are like, Well, I don't get why people it's just it just happened up there, it doesn't happen anywhere else. No, motherfucker, it's happening in little increments everywhere and it's accumulating.

SPEAKER_09 29:21

So yeah, and I think you know, I I definitely understand what Harrison's saying, and yeah, I want to, I mean, I I I have my own sort of and it's it's similar, but you know, there's a difference between being dirty and being bad. You know, just because you're not on the take or you're not doing, you know, you're not doing the wrong thing, malicious intent, whatever, uh doesn't mean that you're a good cop. Uh, you know, my definition of a good cop is that body can, and by the way, I send you that uh I didn't go through it first, but I did send you the link, um, Eric. So if you find that in your DMs, you you should be able to pull it up. My definition of a good cop is somebody that gets out there every day and you know gets after it because they love doing this job. Um, and and not necessarily in the same way that I did the job. You don't have to be that gun, you don't be a cowboy about it. But I think the kind of like a bad cop as well is the kind of person that comes in and for 12 hours during their shift, they sit under a tree and watch Netflix or YouTube. You know, I knew a lot of guys like that. They didn't patrol their zone, they didn't do anything, they weren't proactively looking for anything, they weren't really doing anything. You know, I knew people that literally would say, My thing that I'm good at is writing a good report. No asshole. Every cop should write a good report, you know, that can't be your thing. That's everybody's thing, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:32

I got a question for him real quick.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

Let me give Harrison a shout-out. He just gifted 20 memberships to our peeps. So, um, and he just gifted 10 on the the impromptu one I did on uh Friday. So thank you, Harrison. Um, all the money that you guys do donate towards the show goes straight directly back into the show, it doesn't go into our pockets, anything like that. So if you're new to what we're doing, you're like, oh, these guys are just on a money grab. I promise you, we're not. It just goes back into what we're doing. So uh thank you, Harrison, very much. And everybody that got one, congrats. Uh, and make sure you guys thank Harrison. So go ahead, Banning, what's your question?

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Hey, Sean, we we we talk about this also with a lot of people, and and Eric and I even talk offline about it. Is is during that hiring process, that ever so important hiring process, whatever they call it in Florida professional standards, internal affairs, maybe having a part of it in the background, or just CID, is I know we have checks and balances. We got to make sure this guy hasn't had a parking ticket or parked in handy. I get that. But can the can he or she that's looking to get hired carry a frigging conversation and not be a rock? Especially when we're going out to uh calm things down, especially when we're there to wear millions of hats. And I'm I'm starting to see, and I'm sure it's been always been there, but it towards the end of my career, we're starting to hire these people that just act based on the book. More of a robotic. And I saw it in the beginning too, but it started to get a little bit more uh up up here to where it's you know, just that's fine on some aspects of a career, but you've got to be able to carry a conversation, it's got to go both ways so you can properly de-escalate when when it's time. And we've been doing de-escalation in law enforcement before it was a popular freaking hashtag, you know. I hate to even use that terminology, de-escalate very well because they can talk, they can carry a conversation, and they don't just wear that uh uniform badge, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_09 32:28

Yeah, I definitely, I mean, I I certainly agree. Um, and I think that the problem, at least in Florida, that we're facing is there's serious um shortages, uh, there's retention issues, especially at agencies like mine. And, you know, like people look, we we average probably 15 calls a day for service at my agency, which you know is is pretty is pretty high. Um, and and it's a meat grinder, it's a tough place to be a cop. And so a lot of these younger guys go to get certified and then and then jump ship. And I think that the hiring process gets really watered down and they skip those parts where it's you know, yeah, having a conversation. They're just kind of how how did he let's score his answer, as opposed to let me just talk to you and make sure that you're you know somebody that can somebody that can work with with a few other guys in any given zone for 12 hours a night or day. And I do think that part is important. I

Budgets, Audits, And Morale Problems

SPEAKER_09 33:20

think that something that we have to do, um not to pivot too much into the politics here, but you know, we we need to do better, I think, by our law enforcement. And that that cannot be a platitude. I think part of the problem is is this you have Republicans, and I'm gonna call Republicans out because they're the ones that always like to say, I backed the blue. Well, how do you back the blue? What does that mean? What does that mean? I mean, you know, okay, fine, you support law enforcement. I see the the the thin blue line sticker that you post, or you have it on your car. But beyond that, how do you, as a lawmaker, support law enforcement? And so I look at a state like Florida, and look, Governor DeSantis has been probably the best governor the state has ever seen. Uh, and he has done things to support law enforcement, both in hiring uh practices and uh with some law. We had House Bill One back in 2021, which enhanced our uh rioting laws. Maybe you guys have seen some of these team takeovers that have happened. Clearwater beach had one a couple of months ago, and um these team takeovers are really just riots. It's like three or four hundred teenagers, mostly black, um getting together and causing complete shooting guns and causing mayhem. A kid got shot at the last one. Um, and so you know, he he gave us these tools to do the job better, and he even uh instituted a statewide $5,000 hiring bonus for uh newly certified officers who who get hired. Um and I think that's a great thing. I think we can do better though. Um that's kind of you know, and I know we're gonna pivot to it in a little bit, but that's sort of like why I'm doing this and and how I got involved with James Fishback, in that I believe that if you if you want to truly make law enforcement better, um, you need to recruit better. And to recruit better, you have to offer better.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

Okay. So let me, I'm not gonna push back on what you said. Let me give you some perspective on something I would like to see some politicians start doing rather than, and I'm not saying you're doing this, I'm just saying, like when people say I back the blue, quit blindly backing the blue. Hold your police departments accountable if you're asking for more money. Show how are you spending that money? How are you spending that money? Thank you. Yes, what are you doing with it? What problems are you addressing with the money that you know you have? Don't just buy yourself toys because the SWAT boys want some fucking toys. But not even that.

SPEAKER_09 35:38

I mean, there's there's some in some instances, they're not buying things that have any use or value. I mean, we got these stupid things a couple of years ago. It was called uh dragon. Maybe you guys have heard of it. You it it you get the software on your laptop, and basically, you know, it'll it'll dictate your whole report. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:55

So dragon dictate. I'm sorry, I was thinking of something else. Shadow Dragon.

SPEAKER_09 36:00

Yeah. So listen, like first of all, those were thousands of dollars per one. I don't know how they could cost that much. Everything is so marked up because they know the government's buying it. But like, I'm sorry. I mean, I used it a couple of times because there was like a like a you know, like a prototype for it that one of the FTOs had, and I got to like check his out. And all I could think was, I have no trouble like typing my my out my report. I can type it very quickly. There's a million ways you could spend this money better. And you know, when they oh well, we got it on a grant, okay. Well, why don't you apply for a grant that's not spending money on stuff like this? Because it's just a waste of money. And so I agree. When when you say we're gonna back the blue, to to me, you know, look, let's just dive in, I guess, since we're on this this this this path. Um, what my vision is, you know, if I get to become the 22nd lieutenant governor of the state of Florida, is, you know, James has asked me to to lead public safety and and to oversee what FDLE does. I want to get in them and audit these agencies. And some of the biggest agencies we have are Broward County Sheriff's Office, um, Orange County Sheriff's Office, Palm Beach Sheriff's Office. What I can tell you, what I know from from being you know on the ground with these guys is people are flocking to places like PBSO, Palm Beach Sheriff's Office, and they're leaving uh Broward like en masse. And yeah, oh dude, it's there's an exit. Sheriff Tony is very disliked by by uh deputies on the ground. He's he's overwhelmingly unpopular. I I respect Governor DeSantis's decision to appoint a Democrat uh uh sheriff there in that county because that is a very Democrat county. The problem is though, the experiment failed. This guy is uh, for lack of better words, I I'm not gonna start name-calling, but he's he is overwhelmingly unliked as a sheriff. And so, you know, that's the probably the first agency I would want to uh personally audit. Because by and large, it's not about helping command staff. And and I think that a lot of guys, and I know you're gonna ask me about this in a bit, but I think a lot of guys with with police background, when they become politicians, it's because they did their 30 years. And so the last 20 years, they've completely forgotten what being a police officer is. They sat up in their desk with their shiny brass on, and they were a major or captain or chief, and they did nothing over the last 20 years. And so they've got no idea uh what it's like to police today in 2026, or or for that matter, what it's been like to police for the last decade. And so that's not the kind of guy I'm gonna be. Um if if I could if I could swear back in after becoming lieutenant governor, I would, but I can't hold two offices at once. Um, so I I intend to get into these uh agencies and and audit them. Broward County Sheriff's Office gets a billion dollars a year. How are you spending that money? I want to know how you're spending that money because I believe a lot of it is waste.

SPEAKER_03 38:43

Um, one of our guys asked, uh, why is he unliked?

SPEAKER_09 38:47

So uh there's plenty of controversy that surrounds Sheriff Tony. You know, he everybody's got a background, and I'm not here to kind of nitpick on anybody's background because nobody is gonna be perfect or squeaky clean. And I think everybody that's in this world understands that. He's unliked, though, because he doesn't there's there's he doesn't he doesn't go to bat heavily for his deputy. The the number one thing I can say is this the backbone of any agency is the road. Uh the most officers at any agency is gonna be your your patrol guys, who's gonna be your road. And so when you're not providing, I think, the the best uh opportunity, maybe for for these guys, there's gonna be some, you know, the morale is low at a place like Broward County Sheriff's Office. Look, people that get promoted quickly get fast tracked, are the kind of people that, you know, a lot of women fast track, a lot of pretty girls fast track at Broward County Sheriff's Office. You know, it's not merit-based, it doesn't seem. And so I've heard that complaint probably 15 times. You know, hey man, I've been busting my ass working with the CSC, working with a uh crime suppression team, like their you know, jump out unit. And why aren't I getting moved up, you know, um, or why aren't I making detective? Why aren't I going to the DV? And so I think that um it's a combination of benefits. Uh, pay is not very great. And I don't think you should do the job for pay, by the way, but I think when the pay is sort of the lowest in the area where it's it's pretty low, you're not really incentivized, I don't think, to stay at a place where you're over you're you're pretty much not well appreciated. And then Sheriff Tony will do these things where like I mean, it is like so phony. Like he posts these things on Instagram of like, I'm going on a run with my my deputies. Oh, he's doing like propaganda stuff. Yeah, he's doing propaganda, you know. So it's like, man, internally, everyone's so unhappy with what you're doing, but you go out and do propaganda. And so people that aren't here think you're doing a good job. It's like, man, be like, I don't know, be like Sheriff Grady Judd up in Polk, who like goes out to when when when these guys get arrested on on good 18 arrests and good felony arrests, and he goes out there and like makes the video and like congratulates the officer and says, like, as the sheriff, the deputy will be like, This this asshole's going to jail tonight.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

Like, dude, I have some problems with some of that stuff. And and and two of my problems with Grady is one, he's against body cameras. Body cams, I know it's weird. That drives me insane. Um, yeah, I don't like that at all. And then two, the integrity of a case that that worries me when you go out and you're like, we just freshly caught this shit bag. And I'm like, bro, the case hasn't even been filed yet. Like, you gotta let this stuff run. You can't like that's a serious thing. You could fuck up an investigation. Now you could. I'm I'm talking about Texas. I know how Texas runs, so I worry about it. Like, I don't know how Florida runs, so I could be talking out of my ass. You could Florida.

SPEAKER_09 41:31

I think like you know, when he does it though for like tens, I mean, look, they like the state doesn't treat tens very seriously, to be honest. So, like when he does it for like, yeah, you shouldn't go do that on like a good trafficking arrest or anything like serious. I agree, you shouldn't do that on anything. If you have a a nice case on something serious, you shouldn't do that. But I think that you know, a little bit goes a long way. Like, I'll tell you guys this right now. I can't remember more than maybe two times in the whole time I was at the city of Louder Hill where a major or deputy chief came into roll call and was like, Hey Sean, hey Will, like good hey guys, like you know, get out there tonight. Like, none of that.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

Because you're small. I mean, compared like where I'm at, like, there's 2,000 of us, and I know there's larger departments out there, and I'm just like, and I see my chief every so often, and my you know, I feel like I have a good leadership where I'm at, but um that's good. So, but that to your point though, like how insane is that? Like, is it as small as you are?

SPEAKER_09 42:30

Like, the you can't walk down the hall to roll call and say, like, hey guys, have a good shit tonight, be safe. You know, let me know if you need anything, like never, never, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:40

And where I'm at, it's 355 square miles. We you know, where my chief is is isn't a completely different side of town, right? And we're in the same building, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not same building. Yeah, that's crazy. Vanning looks like he's chomping. Say it, buddy. Say what you got.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

When I hear these, I hear these stats and statistics and and Sean, just so you're aware, I worked at a a medium-sized like yours municipal agency for an entire career, retired, moved out here to BFE, Texas, uh, to where we had over 900 uh square miles and one deputy on that could take over an hour running code to get to a domestic while the dispatchers calling to wake up another deputy or to see if there's a state trooper, game warden, or police officer to maybe come help. Um, if they're not too busy showing the Boy Scouts how to tie knots and whatever. And maybe they can help us with this domestic with weapons. And sometimes you were just left on your own to go to these. And um, I it made me miss the municipality so much uh and the training that we received there to being thrown out here in the middle of nowhere, uh feeling like you're out in the desert with no training other than your annual here's 50 rounds, you're gonna go before a doctor and you're gonna shoot paper that doesn't move. Uh you know, and this would be an obstruction.

SPEAKER_03 43:53

So if if I if I were to give one, just one thing you need to know about banning, his name is Banning Sweat. Lamb that's not like a porn name, so that is his actual fucking Texas name. Um, one of his best friends is Houston Gas, that's his his name. Uh, so Texas is its own weird bird, um, as a as an outsider living here now. Um, and banning is also 300 pounds, six foot two, and can wrestle a bowl to the ground by himself. So um, that's why he's able to go out there and handle those calls by himself, because I would never be able to do it. Um, but my point being, Sean, one of the things that we like to do here is try we're trying to improve law enforcement and we're trying to improve public perception. You're going to possibly be in a role that you can do this. So if I were to talk on behalf of our community here, because you can see a lot of my community really holds cops accountable. They're very anti-bad cop um body cameras. I would push for an entire state of you know mandatory body cameras. Like, I that's I you tell me you were a cop. I I was panicked if I forgot my camera in my office or something like that. Like if I left it on the charging dock, I'm like, oh fuck. And I would immediately go, I wouldn't handle a call without it.

SPEAKER_09 45:10

Like I would be safe, you know. My so we used uh body worn. Um, so it's a little different than Axon. And uh the complaint that we always had was our our and we we did 12s, and I worked a lot of 18-hour days. Oh, that battery was really short, so that wouldn't last. So, like I had a few use of forces. I've and first of all, just so everybody's clear, I've never had a questionable or bad use of force. I've been cleared on all my my blue team reports are all all good. Um, but I had a few uh use of force reports where I I'm like heading to a call and you don't always know when it's gonna break bad, but sometimes you know you kind of get that, you know, you get the feeling that it could. Yeah, so I go, I go over the air and I would say, Hey, um, you know, 43, just have the dis have the Deltina be advised that my BWC is 107. Um, my my my body camera's dead. And I would say that, like, just to be clear that I'm going into a situation where I don't have my body camera because it's dead. And I didn't like that.

SPEAKER_03 45:59

I'm dispatching, that's good.

SPEAKER_09 46:01

Yeah, that's and I didn't like not having it because um, yeah, you're right, it's a good habit to have. And I just like you said, I mean, what I'll tell everybody now is I think every good cop feels this way. The body cameras do more to protect the officer than they do to expose whatever else is going on. Like anybody that's doing the job correctly is never gonna have a problem wearing a body camera.

SPEAKER_03 46:21

Yeah, I agree. Um, and then dude, I I mean, I think we're kind of hitting the nail on the head tonight about where's this fucking money going? You know, yeah, you see the defund movement that happened. Obviously, that didn't fucking work. Like, you see that that every place that that happened, the the department they're they're still recovering because of the mass exodus, the officers that oh those west coast ones are I don't even know what they're gonna do.

SPEAKER_09 46:44

I mean, geez.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Right. So so that didn't work. And I I kind of made a I made a video, I do this gray, I call it the gray area, and I I made a whole thing about the defund movement, and I talked about every problem that you have with law enforcement cannot be solved without money. So if we go and fix these problems, one of the big things is that accountability on where this money's going. And yeah, I think one of our biggest failures, and this is um Benny, I'm gonna ask him the question other than the academy, Sean, how much constitutional training did you get after the academy?

Training Gaps And Ego On Patrol

SPEAKER_09 47:21

Oh, I'm almost through my agency, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's practically none. I mean, any training, yeah, any training that I I did as an officer. I mean, you know, I was I was on our attack team. Uh, we didn't have a SWAT, uh SWAT team on in my city, so we had what was called QRF Quick Response Force. It was our like tactical team. So I was on that, and like that stuff they put you through, you know. Obviously, you got additional training there, and there was additional constitutional training there. But like again, that was like I signed up to that. I got to be on that, I got to sign that, you know, unit. Um, they don't there's no more like case law though, or I mean, nothing. Like they don't even there's not even like mandatory weapons training, like other than you qualifying, you know what I mean? It's it's actually embarrassing. I mean, and the money that's how the money should be getting spent. I mean, you you should be quarterly, your guy should be man mandated to go shooting. Um, you know, the the the taser uh qualification they do once a year. I've seen people had not know how to use their taser, and it's the easiest device to use. Like, you should be doing that maybe two or three times a year. Like they have what's sickening is they have the money, they're just not spending it on these things. They'd rather not waste cartridges, they'd rather not waste money on training ammo or range days if you're if your uh agency doesn't have their own range. That's all an expense, right? And so I think that um the way that they spend the money is the worst part. Look, I drove my my last car, it was a 2018 Ford Taurus with a hundred and I don't know, ten or fifteen thousand miles on it. And banning as best the chief the chief complaint of my agency was was cars. Um, because you know, especially you would look at agencies surrounding us, and it's like, man, everybody has like basically a new car. And I know this is gonna vary like state by state and agency by agency, but in South Florida, where its population is is is very dense, and so we're we were a city of 80,000 and eight square miles, right? So, like that's a dense place to be a cop. Why is it? I I knew guys, I knew I knew guys with expired vests, their vests expired, yeah, right here. Yeah, right. So, like that's what I mean. What's you know what we're like, what are we doing? Did we lose them? No one should ever have a good oh there you go. Okay, you're back.

SPEAKER_00 49:35

Yeah, you froze for a second. Oh no, not only was mine expired, mine was 16 years old.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

You're telling me and it still had a bullet lodged in it.

SPEAKER_00 49:46

It was the first, it was the first one that you could have that roll-up technology that was only for it. It was only out for it was less than 36 months because a third party started testing it, and they're like, 22 long rifle just went through that. We need to bring it back to the swiss cheese if anybody blows on you. So yeah, I'm I'm right there. Uh the equipment needs to be taken care of. First of all, we have to have good people sitting in those seats. That's the number one thing. Law enforcement has got to have a good person there, and then we can stack on the right equipment because if you start mixing that shit around, you get what we have now in some parts of the country, and and it's disgusting. It's absolutely absolutely disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 50:28

Yeah, I think uh I think if we're going to solve a lot of the I call them the minor major problems because that's what ends up happening. It's not guy has a gun, officers shoot, and that's a bad problem. Like that any high risk, crazy situation, it seems like cops for the most part do a decent job across the nation. So what we fuck up is little things. When I take my phone and I'm like, fuck you, pig. And all of a sudden a cop loses his goddamn mind.

SPEAKER_09 51:00

And swaps the phone out of his hand.

SPEAKER_03 51:02

Put your hands behind your back. Oh, I'm gonna waste your time now. And da da da. Let me see your ID. I'm like, bro, like that's such an easy thing to deal with, and you just completely turned uh uh a little molehill into a fucking Mount Everest. And I'm like, why is that? One, it's ego. Ego is a is something we actually put an ego class on in a live because uh at my department, we teach an ego class to our recruits so they can recognize it's not a if you want it, let me know. And and you can use it as a campaign thing in Florida. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 51:38

I'd be interested in it actually, yes.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

Because we want everybody to to learn from it. Uh but the point being is it isn't so much that hey cops have fucking egos because we're all alphas, like that's kind of a given. The the the job attracts alphas, it's it is what it is. But the point is knowing when you switch from that logic and reasoning side of your brain, your frontal lobe, and um switch to an emotional, ego-based response where you're in that, you know, it you can't tell me I'm wrong, you know, they get defensive. And that that needs to be taught. And it's we've we've actually created a class on that where we're at. So I'm trying to get that spread out there, and then the constitution. You go up to any cop and you're like, give me the first five, you know, give me five elements of the first amendment, and they're like, uh, freedom of speech, uh and and freedom of press. And then after that, they kind of lose it. So we need to have not just constitutional training in the academy, it needs to be continuous, it needs to be semi-annual. I don't know how you're gonna, it's it's pretty easy to do, but um Yeah, look, I I I I agree with that entirely.

SPEAKER_09 52:45

I mean, I you know, that bad complaint I told you about that supervisor who was ordering a bad arrest, you know, she didn't understand the difference between, and this was a this woman was a detective before she became a sergeant. She didn't understand the difference. I'm not exaggerating or being funny, between a witness and hearsay. She wanted me to enter a a a third party who had heard the story from the great line. Yeah, he wanted me to enter that as as as witness testimony. I'm like, I cannot do that. Like, what do you what are you talking about? So, you know, it's just like stuff like that, it's dangerous. And I agree because look, here's what's gonna happen. You're gonna have, and obviously, you guys have a lot more experience than I do, but I think you're gonna agree with me immediately immediately. You're gonna have bad, I'm not saying uh dirty cops, I think bad officers get promoted, like we've all seen. And now these bad officers who get promoted as supervisor roles are the ones telling rookies who don't know anything what they're supposed to be doing. And now those bad habits are immediately ingrained in these people, and like maybe one out of ten, if you're lucky, gets out of that alive, but the mostly they're not going to because again, you see stripes, you see bars, and you're like, this this person knows everything. I gotta listen to them. And now that that way of policing and and that way of thinking is just spread throughout your whole agency, and before you know it, it's it's a regional problem.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

And um, look, to banning's point, you need to get to remember he said to banning point. We'll give him another second to see if he uh there he is, he's back. Yeah, okay, last thing we heard you said was and to address banning's point.

SPEAKER_09 54:36

Okay, perfect. So so to address uh Banning's point, you you need to get good people in seats. So it's not just about fixing the the spending and getting all the best equipment, just if, you know, that's no good if all you're gonna do is have bad officers in a brand new Tahoe or an expedition, right? Like that's not helpful. Um, and so I think that, you know, look, my vision is kind of multi-parted, right? Yeah, the internet did strike again. Um my vision is is obviously multifaceted here, in that James Fishback is serious about addressing the law enforcement concern in the state of Florida. And when I say the law enforcement concern, it's not just people who have trouble with law enforcement, it's not law enforcement having trouble with the job they're currently doing, it's it's everything. And so, where I come in is like I said to you guys earlier, I'm not some guy that sat behind a desk for the last 15 years. I literally was arresting people, you know, eight months ago. And so I think the idea would be this you you have to do two things at once. You have to audit the county, you have to audit the agency, you have to audit the prosecutor, you have to audit the state attorney's office, you have to figure out what everybody's doing in this county, right? I want to know what's your process rate, what's your trial rate, you know, because yeah, though, oh we have 94% props. Well, why are you only going to trial less than process? Why are you only going to a trial less than 22% of the time? You know, you kill a guy who's picked up for for uh uh possession with intent for the fourth time this year, and he's somehow bonding out and getting probation again. And so I have to figure out what's the problem here? Why, you know, how are we failing our community in that sense? And you will that you'll have a morale, it's not overnight, by the way. You will be able to boost morale because the people that say, and not all of them, but the people that say, Oh, Lozano, why do you show up to work and chase people all night long? Because they're just gonna get out of jail in three days. Some of those people, A, they're not gonna have that excuse to fall back on, but B, some of those people really do believe that, and that won't be something that like wears you down, like you don't see the same scumbag. Like you'll you'll finally get, hey, your guy got sentenced to three years or whatever in prison, as opposed to the old you got three months probation again. Like you get those letters in your mailbox, and you're like, what's the point? And so I think that when you fix the state attorney issue, when you have a strong uh SAO with that that wants to work with the law enforcement in that county, um, I think that's a great place to start. I think it's also auditing the county from the from the top down. Some of these city managers in these counties are making unbelievable money. The the city manager in the city of Lauder Hill, which is, like I said, right police, that's an impoverished city, is making almost $300,000 a year where most people in that city are on some kind of government assistance. So, how is it this man is making almost $300,000 a year when most of your city is impoverished? It doesn't even make sense. No, you have to cut waste and bloat like that. This guy, I I don't I can't even tell you what he does. I'm not sure what he does all day long, but it's not enough to earn $300,000. I can tell you that. So I think that when you start addressing those problems, um, you can start to figure out how to address this, though. And I know I'm going on a whole rant, but you have to address the hiring practices. Oh, you're you know, like look, from from top to bottom, you're letting people get through the academy that don't meet the fitness requirements. But hey, no child left behind. So we're letting them graduate the academy. They're like you said, during during COVID, uh virtual academies. Right. Then you go to FTO. I've seen people in FTO, they have no business getting through their FTO. And yet the agency doesn't want to let them go because hey, we have a shortage and we need the body, we need a warm body in the seat. And so they just they they sign off. And so it's like you have to fix it from the beginning, the hiring practice, all the way through, and that person gets signed off and gets cut loose to go police on their own. So, you know, I think it's a long process, but you you have to attack each part of it.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

Yep. Um, King Pomegranate said, uh, just auditing isn't enough. Who you use to audit then matters. I I would say that's fair. Um so uh let me throw an idea your way since you got on the prosecution side, because that's one of my favorite things to pick at is um drones, they're a new thing, right, in law enforcement. And I'm a big proponent of drones. I actually help start our drone program where I'm at. Um I'm just I'm real big into them. I got my 107, I I I can fly them. It's an awesome tool, but it requires so much. You got a lot of training you got to go through. You have all these things, and one of the big pushes to get the trust from the from the community is being transparent and accountable. So the way that we solve that problem with our community anyway is we have a website, and that website shows when you flew, where you flew, shows the path of the drone, tells you who the operator was, tells you what case number it belonged to. So if that drone flew over your house and you're like, I want to make sure they weren't looking in my backyard, you got an easy website to go to and you can do a FOIA request on the drone footage. Yeah, I think that's amazing, right?

SPEAKER_07 59:42

Yeah, so I would agree.

SPEAKER_03 59:44

So why the fuck can't we do that with caseload for a prosecutor? Get a website. Here's the cases that this prosecutor got. Here's all the ones that they went after, here's the ones that they pled out. But guess what? They need to put in there why why for whatever it was. You know, I you know, I they got a conviction on this case. Okay, I don't need a why, you went after the case. But if you dismissed it or if you pled it down, I want a why. Why did you do that?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

And and to listen that, just not to interrupt Sean on his answer, you know, list the elements of the offense. Was the elements of the offense met from the original case officer who made the arrest? Yes or no? Okay. And then now give us a reason on why it wasn't taken. Was the person given an OR bond? Why were they given an OR bond to get out of freaking jail on an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon? Yep. Let's track that stuff down, you know what I mean? I mean, that's that's that's pretty bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

I I think the courts lack, I think the courts lack a huge accountability that that's about I think in in the next 10 to 20 years is gonna slap them across the face as hard as cops getting body cameras was for cops, because that was like a huge push, and everybody's like, Well, who are we gonna pay for? You know, it was it it just was counter to the culture at the time. Yeah. Now, like I said, now cops can't imagine leaving the fucking department, leaving house their shop without it, like me. Like, you know, so I think that that is the next type of wake-up call. So somebody in your position, if you if you are the you know, the one that gets to start making decisions and doing things like that, I think that would be a huge step.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:21

Yeah, I could agree more. And um, you know, my my thought on that is uh was that uh was his name Kevin who asked that, uh or King King Pomegranate who asked who who said it's not it's not just about auditing, it's about who audits. And and I agree. I mean, no more of these silly internal audits, like, oh, we checked and we didn't do anything wrong. Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:39

We checked ourselves, we investigate ourselves, and we have no object.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:42

It's all it's all good, yeah. That that doesn't count. Um, that's not good enough. And so um I think that when when you show up, like Benny said, you show up and say, show me your I want to see the last 50 cases that you that you had. And it is as simple as were the elements met, yes or no? And if so, why did they get pled out? Why didn't you prosecute? Uh, I'm gonna go back to these team takeovers. So you said your brother-in-law um was with Clearwater Beach. So about a month or so ago, we had a maybe maybe a month and a half ago, James and I had a press conference for a one of these team takeovers where a 17-year-old kid was shot. Um, I want to say five or six times. Again, they called them teen takeovers. That's what the media likes to call them, but we call them riots because that's what they are. And uh something like three or four dozen of the people that were involved, um maybe they made like 20 arrests on that one, right? Maybe like three or four dozen could have been picked up for a fray, which is fine. But the the 20 or so that they pick up, almost none of them were charged with uh felony rioting, despite the officer writing PC for rioting. And they get they go down to they go down to jail when they get processed. The SAO, the the prosecutor says, ah, we'll we'll drop it down to a fray. Why? The elements were there for rioting. So why do they get a lesser charge? I mean, you should have to explain it. You know, if if if you want to use discretion as a police officer, obviously you can use discretion, right? But if somebody were to ask, you know, if my sergeant were to ask me, why didn't you why didn't you want to make that arrest or why do you want to blah blah blah, I should be able to answer that question, right? Oh, well, because X, Y, and Z. You know, one time I avoided a citation I gave this guy, and this is a much lesser extent, but I avoided a citation they gave this guy because um I was like moving quick and I was like not in a bad mood, but like I was just like moving fast, right? And I take his license and stuff and I go back to my car and I just like typed out the thing real quick. And as I'm going back over to him, he's like, man, it is my fault, I know, but like he had like all this stuff going on in his life, right? And like I said, we're human, we're people, right? So I was like, you know, man, like I'm gonna avoid this for you because I should have spoken to you for a minute instead of just going taking your stuff and go back to my car. And I want to be a normal person and and do what I can to exercise discretion. And my sergeant did ask, hey, why are you putting a void slip in my box? And I explained, like, you know what, I wrote the ticket a little too quick. I should let the guy talk to me. Yeah, he committed the infraction, but I have the opportunity to exercise his discretion. But when the SAO is exercising essentially discretion by by by dropping charges, by making charges lesser than what they are, you're the only person you're helping, first of all, is the criminal who broke the law. And and second of all, uh in some of these instances, there's not a necessary victim. The state's the victim. So, you know, fine, you you want to be, oh, we're the victim, so we're gonna do less we we can. But in some cases where there is a legitimate victim, who, yeah, they they're they're a victim to this crime. Why do we ask, why do we say this? Oh, have sympathy, have emp have empathy for for for this criminal. Where's the empathy for the victim in this crime? Why do we always say, Oh, don't don't be cruel to the to this person? Yeah, they made a mistake, but don't be cruel. What about the the victim in this crime? Did they get that opportunity?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:59

Yeah, I was uh so I specialized in property crimes. Um, that was like one of my big strengths when uh I was out there running. 21s and such. Yeah, and so um one of the things that drove me nuts was hearing other cops even not to mention prosecutors and whatnot, when a target would get, you know, I I get shoplifting at a new organization, yep. And yeah, they got so they got insurance for this. Get the fuck out of here. What does that have to do with anything? What yeah, what if you're a mom and pop store? They started that way, like they had they didn't just they just weren't a big conglomerate or whatever, but yeah, now because they're good at what they did and and they've got this chain, they they suddenly no longer have the same victimness that everybody else has. Like, that's fucking crazy to me.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:50

No, you have to accept shrink, you just you have to accept things are gonna be stolen. Like, no, I don't have to accept that.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:54

No, not at all. Like, you stealing it. I mean, not that I'm a huge religious guy, I mean it goes all the way. Back to biblical times, you don't steal people's shit. It's in the Three Commandments, you know? Sure. So I if it goes back that far, then no, you don't get to do this. Oh, they got insurance, it's no big deal. Like, come on, man. Like, it's stealing is stealing. I cannot stand thievery. Um, and that's why I took it so serious. And um, I like I used to rub it in our homicide guys, a couple that I was buddies with anyway. I'd be like, like, homicide's easy, like most of the time you already know who the fuck it is. Like, you already have likely suspects, you you have connections, you got all that. It's like, why don't you go solve a property crime? Go solve a BMV with no leads. Like, let me see you, let me see you find the bad guy that way. Like, that's detective work.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:43

Yeah, and you're right. Like, uh, like I mean, uh, especially like a 21 in a vehicle, yeah. Like, that's a tough with no leads or nothing. If there's no video footage, like that is a tough, like, if you didn't get any video footage when the 21 occurred, you're that's a you're right, you got a case. I mean, you have to hope he just keeps doing it, basically, right? Um, my my game was uh narcotics. I loved um I loved hold on. I love making doggers.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

Hold that thought because I have a video pulled up um of you in action, sir.

Body Cam Breakdown Of A Foot Chase

SPEAKER_03 1:07:13

So here we go. Let me uh the video you sent me actually did not work. I need uh some extra permission to use it. Uh so I found this one on Instagram and I thought it was a great video. You found it, all right. Uh so we're gonna play this one. All right, let's make sure it's not muted. All right, we're good there and go. I'll smoke you, motherfucker!

SPEAKER_09 1:07:43

You're way too close to try and run, okay? Have a seat.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:46

Just keep it in your hand. Don't even try to try to push it up. I just can't okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:50

So we're gonna kind of do this like we do a body cam breakdown banning banning. Uh, Sean doesn't know this, but one of the things that we do on here is we'll do body cam breakdowns where we pretend we're the officer in the body cam. So right away I hear the officer, which happens to be Sean, saying, like, you're way too close to be trying to run. So that tells me this officer, Sean, already had an inkling in his head that this guy may try to rabbit. Like there was something he was giving as indicators that he was going to try to run. And rightfully so. I I would agree. I think you had all of that right. And I will say that this man that you're with is a fucking specimen. Jesus Christ, look at this. Yeah, he's 10-8 cop. 10-8 cop right there. That is he's got a little wisdom in his beard, like me. I like he does, he does. So, um, can you give us a little background of what you're doing here? Obviously, this looks like it's the back of a convenience store where a lot of people like to use dope, uh, which is uh easy place to go spot. So, what do you got here?

SPEAKER_09 1:08:49

So, uh what's funny is actually this is this is butted up right up against an apartment complex called Calypso K. It's off of State Road 7 in Lauderd Hill. Um, the reason why we were here, we were uh this guy's a detective at the Street Primes unit, and I worked with them like twice twice a week. I did work with them. I was waiting to get promoted into that unit. So I worked with them twice a week basically because they were short. Everybody's short. So they're like, yeah, we can't promote Lozano yet, but you can have them twice a week, essentially. So um we're out because there was like six shootings in this apartment complex that's like just in the background of the like you can see it just past Ray's shoulder. Um, there's um there's like six shootings that happened there in like the last four to eight hours. So, like, hey, the set team's gotta get out there and you know, just have some presence so we can like deter this nonsense, right? It was a gang dispute that was going on, but they just wanted like if police are there, you know, maybe they're gonna be less inclined to be stupid. So we're out there walking around and we had our presence, and I got like a short foot pursuit with some guy who like he saw me coming from a mile away. I just wanted to, again, you know, just say, look, we're out here doing our thing, the circus is in town. So um, we're getting ready to leave, and I'm like, man, hey, why don't we just hit the marathon real quick to see if we can get lucky? Like, let's see if there's something back here. And we do, that's me walking up here, and evidently we we did get lucky.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:05

So nice. Okay, so we're gonna keep going.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:08

Walking through this rate, that's crazy. Why are you the buttons? Stop crushing it up. I don't tell you what the cross.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:21

So I can hear the officer saying something to the effect of stop crushing it up. So I'm imagining you guys, you're not just stopping and detaining them for no reason. You've uh you already got an on-view offense of some sort. That's that's what I'm hearing. Um, I don't want to put words in your mouth.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:38

Yeah, the original stop is for LMP, um, for just where they're at. And it's uh it's a known uh narcotics, uh, you know, uh place to use narcotics. So that was an easy, you know, quick to detention, real quick. Just figure out what these people are doing hanging out back here. They weren't walking around. This guy's clearly sitting, so it's not like you're just traveling in between, you're sitting back here. And so I want to know what this guy's doing back here at this time. And yes, he is my my partner there notices that he's like crushing something up, he's he's got something in his hand. It looked it was like a white powdery substance in a in a what appeared to be a rolling tobacco leaf.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:15

Okay, all right. So we'll hit play again.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:19

It ain't just tobacco. I can literally walk through this way. What's that white stuff that's in there?

SPEAKER_09 1:11:26

Yeah, what's that white stuff? Tobacco is white, huh? That must be a new kind of tobacco. Oh, okay. I didn't tell you to drop it, did I?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:34

Why don't you do it? So, um, for people watching, a lot of times people will try to uh disconnect themselves with incriminating things um in any way that they can, and this guy's doing it in some of the most obvious ways possible. Yeah, he's doing it right in front of the officer. Um, so me, what's going through my head? If there's dope involved, this is a common place for people to deal dope, by the way, guys. Um, I used to kind of I I most of the people on here know that I did try to go into the dope game a little bit when I first became an officer and then realized like I felt like I was just cutting the head off the snake that was just gonna grow two heads afterwards. It just it wasn't for me. Yeah, um and and so uh and then I honestly in Texas it kind of scares me because the higher up you get in the dope game, now you start messing with cartels. I'm not about that life. I'm not trying to get my because if it was just me, it's one thing, but it involves my family. Like I just it's too deep for me. So um, anyway, looking at this, um, so far it seems like the detain, everything seems legit. I'm not seeing any issues. Uh, you know, they've they've obviously you've got your on-view offense. So now from here, what I would be doing is one by one, each person's going to get detained. I'd stand them up, I'd put them in cuffs, um, pat them down real quick because, like you said, you just had six shootings in 48 fucking hours. That is insane, and that is a common gang beef issue. Um, I've seen it where I'm at, uh, so it's not uncommon. Uh, and I think you guys are handling things the right way so far. Do me a favor, hop up. Stand up, put your hands behind your back. I like this, and let me tell you guys why I like this. He told him to stand up, and the guy didn't. He hesitated. That is a cue for me. That is a red flag. Yeah, and I've told you guys before on here, if we hesitate, we end up using a higher use of force later. And that's not, we don't want that. So sometimes you take control and it looks harsh at the beginning when really all we did was use a little bit of joint manipulation, get this guy's hands behind his back. That's way better than it turning into a knockdown drag out because we hesitate, the guy builds up his confidence, and then all of a sudden we're in a shit show. Um, so gonna keep you got anything to add, Banny? And I want to make sure I don't cut you off, brother. All right.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:04

Yo, what are you being stupid for, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:08

So, what did he do there? I did he just go limp?

SPEAKER_09 1:14:11

He just went limp. He just like so I'm I'm I have his hands on his back, I'm getting ready to reach down to grab my cuffs. And as soon as I like let one of my hands go, he just leans forward and falls forward. So that's why I said, like, what are you being stupid for? And now this next frame you're gonna see what I would say was a mistake on my part. Um, but but you can go ahead and just just play.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:32

All right. So um, in my experience, banning you probably the same. Um, when they do weird things like that, like just let their body weight, they're they're still trying to he's figuring out how to get out. They're trying to disconnect themselves from something. They usually that's that's how I see it. Or they're trying, yeah, they're trying to you know go rabbit. So let me see. Put your hands behind your back. Okay, quit being stupid.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:56

Okay, lean forward, stand up.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:01

Yo, keep your hands behind your back. I would have cuffed him on his knees.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:08

Yep, yep. That's the mistake. I I I immediately after, by the way, I like when this was all said and done, um, I realized right there I should have cuffed him. I had him now on the ground. I did not have to stand him up. Um, I I just yeah, I I just instinctively I think I just stood him up, but yeah, I should have cuffed him on his knees while he was just laying on his face.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:27

Yeah, it happens. It's a we fuck. I've done dumb stuff before too. I I put a guy against a wall before um to cuff uh to to start searching him, and he pushed off of it, which he had leverage to knock me on my ass. So that was a mistake on my part. Why did I do it? Because I I had never really cuffed or searched anybody next to a wall. It's usually by my patrol car or something to that effect, and it's what they do in the movies. You're right, no one ever trained me to do it. I just fucking did it because it was like, Well, put your hands up on the wall. Yeah, it was dumb. And the dude took advantage of it and bolted, and I didn't get him, he got away from me. So damn, yeah, yeah. We ended up getting him later, but yeah, he got away from me. What is what it is. Uh, all right, let's keep going. Oh brother, you're gonna take dude. You got that taser out fucking quick. That was legit.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:25

I was good with my taser, man. I I use it a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:28

That was legit. That was that was a good tool. Yeah. All right, let's keep going. I can see your uh dots. I don't know if you guys can see my mouse here, but um the other dot is hiding behind banning. Uh uh. So yeah. I got caught in my line there. Oh, is that that? Okay, so you the you got tased yourself a little bit there.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:58

Yeah, so when I said uh, um, I was sort of walking toward uh forward toward him, and the line just like caught my like an exposed part of my my ankle, and um I just felt like the you know the really quick ah like I kicked it off me, but um, it was like a second.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:13

Gotcha. So um I will say I understand why you drew your gun. Um, he was digging. He was when he was running, he was he was trying. I he was probably trying to pull his fucking pants up to get away, but you don't know that in the fucking moment. Um, so you got your gun out. Um, and then we see uh the rest from here. Uh so I'll just I'll just play.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:35

Don't reach really don't reach! I'm smoking, motherfucker. That ain't good.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:46

Good work. I like that. Um, so for those that get pissed off about harsh language and all of that shit, there has to be a purpose behind that type of language, and the purpose behind it is so they understand this is basically the last thing I can do to show you how serious I am so I don't have to use force. So I I it's it's different. He didn't sit there where I'm okay with it, is where you're like, you piece of shit, motherfucker. Like, I don't like when we degrade people, but when I tell you, like, don't fucking move before I make your head a canoe, like I'm trying to implore to you that the next thing that's gonna happen is a use of force that I don't want to happen. And it's a it's a last ditch effort. So I'm okay with stuff in this instance. And like you said, having the background and the context of knowing they just had six shootings in 48 hours, you got people using dope, being evasive, trying to run in a very high crime violent area, everything fits. I'm okay with it. So I got no issues.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:53

Yeah, yeah. I mean, um, I think that uh it's the totality of circumstances, right? It's where we're at, it's a high crime area. And um when I say that, I'm sure you guys both caught that. But for anybody that didn't, you know, when when I pressed my gun to the back of his head and said what I said, he had his right hand down his pant. He went and reached one more time, you know. And so if he had made a really quick movement right there and jerked something like in look, it could have been his cell phone, but I was probably gonna shoot him in the back of the head. Instead, he believed that I would kill him and he stopped reaching. Um, I think that my my language was effective. Uh, I'm proud of the work I did there. I'm proud of the work I did in totality as a police officer. I think if more police in the state of Florida, I think if more police in general, police like that um and carry themselves with with strong command presence and knew when to when to be that way in certain situations. I'm not, you know, you're not gonna show up to a 66 or like a normal situation and start swearing and cursing at people like um, but there's a time and place, which was effective because I did not need to resort to that kind of force. And like you said, they maybe they get confidence and it ends up turning into a deadly force situation because you let them feel like they could take advantage of you. And um, I didn't want to get to that point. So um, what he was reaching for, just so you guys know, he he was reaching for something. He was trying to get another bag of cocaine out so he could ditch it. Um that's what he's reaching for. So when I shot him with my taser, it was effective, as you see, as you see, he fell. Um, but he managed to roll, and so the the probe, um, the line broke on the end of the probe. Yep. And so he only had one probe still uh in him, and so you know he was able to regain a lot uh most of his function at that point, and he rolled, and so it just went the way it went. And that's exactly why I threw my taser. Like you said, I threw my taser, drew my gun immediately because now he's reaching around, and maybe this guy is gonna meet God tonight. But luckily that's not what happened. Um, and again, my my words became effective.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:51

So, yeah, and I think another thing that I read was they were using dope with kids right there. There it was kids over there where they were using dope, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:00

Very nearby. Yeah, Jesus. That's that's very common in Lauder Hill. Yeah, it's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:05

Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. No, that was that. I mean, that was banning. You wouldn't have caught that kid.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:11

You'd what'd you think, Danny? What's your what's your feedback?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:15

No, I think it's I think it's great. Um much younger in my career. I I'd get a lot of sprints.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:22

When when we were his age, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:24

When I when I started getting older and I had uh very good FTOs, most of them were anyway, and they showed me how to utilize the horsepower of a vehicle to tire people down, and uh yeah, anyway, so I utilize the vehicle as well, and then I wouldn't be as as tired at the end of that run.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:41

And I I think lessons learned if we're gonna try to teach cops how to improve and do everything. I want one thing I wanted you to notice what Sean did, what I noticed, you were chill, you were cool when you came up. You're just talking to them, and then you guys saw the on-view offenses, and that's when the language started to change a little bit because now they're being a little evasive, and you're trying to be hey, I see through you. Like it, I I understand the strategy because I was the same way, like, bro, don't try to bullshit me. Like, if you're sitting here using a little bit of dope, I don't give a fuck. Um, but what I do care about is what's causing the violence here. That's that's why we're here, dude. You you know damn well there's uh six shootings that just happened. You know, you got the one kid wearing all blue, which I do know it's Orlando magic, so but I don't know if that's gang related, I don't know if that was a cryp area. So um all of the things made sense, and uh obviously you fucked up on the cuffing. Uh so I would have uh kept him on the ground just the way you had them. Um got his hands behind his back, and then uh, but yeah, standing them up is where you fucked up, which is no big deal because you made right. You still caught him, nobody got hurt, he got tased a little bit, but he'll be all right. Um, we've all been there. Shit, you got bit a little bit by your own taser. So uh happens. I like I like some good old school police work, and that's some good old school police work. You're on foot, you're out there, you're talking amongst the people. Um my people on here know damn well I love some good old school police work that catches people doing some bad shit, and being out there, dope dealing is another symptom of why there's probably violence, it's probably a turf war. You gotta catch that shit.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:24

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that you know, to to kind of um to kind of you know get into you know what I said, what I said by um what I meant when I said like look, if if more officers conducted themselves in that manner, I think that we'd have less crime. And I think the problem is not, I don't think you don't need to be doing that 100% of the time, right? But the problem is the pendulum swi uh shifts, right? And you have this pendulum shift of, oh, hey guys, now we're all we're out here to do customer service. No, we're not. We're out here to do law enforcement. And I think that this new wave of wear kid gloves and um be reactive instead of proactive is wrong. Um, you you can effectively uh lower crime in your community, at least in your zone, if you are a proactive officer. And that's just true. I mean, look, in a 12-hour shift, if I go out there and proactively patrol my zone, um is is the SAO going to be uh you know harsh on them when I arrest them for 21 because I unviewed it? No. But at least now they know, hey, look, this this guy is checked, he's in this area. He checks this area, he drives through this area, he walks this area, and you you can have a difference, I think, in your community um in that way at least. You know, maybe the guy doesn't see the kind of punishment he's supposed to, but you can still do the job effectively, as opposed to just sit around, be lazy, watch YouTube and Netflix and wait for the calls to roll in. You don't have to wait for the calls to roll in. You can go out there and make a difference.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:53

Yeah, and I um Big C he brings up a good point. He said a lot of cops are aggressive for no reason. That's part of the problem. And I agree, when we see cops get in trouble, they're overly aggressive. It goes into the ego portion of things. And there, when it's done properly, I think that was a good example. What we just watched. Sean came up, he wasn't uh aggro at all, he was chill, talking to him like normal people, and then their behavior dictated the change, and that's where you saw the change happen, even though he knew he was in an area where they just had six shootings in 48 hours. So I think that's a good point to bring up. Um, the other thing I wanted to bring up was um damn, I just had I I get off my thoughts when I read somebody else's thoughts. Uh so Sean was talking about the or I'm sorry, Big C was talking about being aggressive for no reason. Um, I was going to bring up something about demeanor. Fuck, I lost the thought. It happens.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:54

Um but you know, to his point to Big C's point of like being aggressive. I mean, I think that part of the the whole aggression issue is maybe cops that are are scared, or I don't know, uh maybe they walk in. Because like you said, yeah, there were six shootings there in 48 hours, right? So maybe a scared officer would show up to that situation already aggressive, which could have maybe escalated it, you know, uh immediately. Um, and so I think that there's a time and place for aggression. Um, I I don't think though, I'm not gonna agree with Big C and say you should never be aggressive because you need to use aggression sometimes, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:28

Um I remember what I was gonna say now.

Proactive Policing Done The Right Way

SPEAKER_03 1:26:31

Okay, when we were talking about proactive policing, because I am a big fan of proactive policing. I actually just put a video out um of there's some there's some officers on this uh this guy's channel. They did like um a live PD thing, but it wasn't live PD, it was this other guy, um Tom Tommy G, I think his name is, but it was like out of something, Georgia, Clayt Clayton County, Georgia. Um these guys are out, it's a specialized unit, and they're out doing a uh a detail with this this filming crew with them, and they fuck up a little bit. I I like their proactiveness, I like what they're out there doing, but they fuck up a little bit. Um they they go a little too quick, in my opinion, and uh I think they screwed up this case that you can see them making uh kind of an arrest on. They they end up letting the guy go, but they detain him anyway. So I'm talking about the process that they use, and I'm like, they I think they cart they got the cart before the horse a little bit on this one, they should have slowed down. Yeah, it wasn't to knock them, it was one I wanted to point out they did good proactive policing. Why was it good? And this is where I think it's important when we talk about proactive policing, it has to be intelligence led. You can't just go out there and start hemming up every Joe Blow that's walking on the street just because it's 12 in the morning. We have to be smart about it. Okay, we had six shootings in this area in the last 48 hours. We need to obviously go around this area during the times of those shootings. Shootings and start seeing what we can see. And now we're doing a little bit of intelligent-based policing. Now, you know, we're going out, making contact, seeing who we're talking to, seeing what the street knows, because you'll get people that'll talk, um, and all of that stuff. Uh, but like for me, one of the things that I would do if I was just a beat officer, I would find out from my crime analyst, hey, what what problems am I having in my beat? And find out, oh, you're getting hammered by BMVs this last two months. Oh shit. Okay. Um, where at? Oh, well, these particular areas. All right. Now I'm gonna go study that area. I'm gonna go look. I'm like, all right, we got uh street lights out over here. Um, there's not a lot of dogs in this area. There's no convenience stores too close to this area. So shit, they're nailing this area because it's prime pickings and there's a lot of cars parked on the street. So what are they doing? They're going pulling handles. So what do I gotta do? Now I gotta figure out that window. Oh, 2 a.m. to 4 30 a.m. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I gotta park my cruiser and I'm gonna get out on foot and then yeah, I'm just gonna go listen. Oh, I hear dogs fucking barking a lot down the road over there. Let me go. And and that is that is proactive policing. It isn't random, it's it's intelligent. I I can explain why I was there, what I was thinking, and why I did it. That that's that's what it's all about. That is good proactive policing. But there's a lot of cops that they just think pulling over as many fucking cars as they can is right, and it's just not for me. I just I don't like that so um now let me go down this rabbit hole here, sir.

How A Cop Ends Up In Politics

SPEAKER_03 1:29:34

Um how does a fucking cop get into politics in the first place? Like, how did you make you're like, I'm gonna do politics now. This is me, this is what I do. No more good than bad guys. How the fuck do I just roll into that?

SPEAKER_09 1:29:49

You know what's funny? I I um I do miss being a police officer. And I I said to you earlier, and I'll I'll just I would say it publicly, you know, my I'm not my my dream isn't to um I don't know, be a career politician. In fact, uh it makes me want to throw up to even say to think of myself as being a career politician. I loved being a police officer, and if for whatever reason politics did not work out, I I would return to law enforcement like with joy. Um, but I I think you're only as good as a circumstance that you're in. And um I also definitely believe in taking advantage of opportunities that come your way. Um and that's true in all walks of life, whether you're in a you know as a police officer. I know a guy that's in motors right now, a good friend of mine who's a uh a traffic detective, and he doesn't love it. And he his passion wasn't in traffic, but the opportunity opened up for him to do it, and he's like, why not? You know, uh he's not too deep in his career, and that that's something he gets to throw under his belt. So I do believe in taking advantage of opportunities. Um, so I'll I'll tell you guys sort of the story. Um, it was about a year ago, it might have been like a year ago this week. I'm sitting in my patrol car. I notice you guys call them shops, by the way, out there. We just call them our patrol cars. Um, I'm I'm sitting in my car, it's like 2 a.m. You know, I work nights, and um I just finished up uh an arrest and I'm sitting here like eating my Wawa and I'm scrolling Twitter and I see James Fish back. He tweeted some like based thing about how he hated H1B visas and like the immigrants that came here and like wreck our economy. And I know H1B is actually a problem out there in Texas, so he like tweeted something that was like super based anti-H1B, and I was like, this guy's cool. And I like I liked it, and I retweeted it, and I followed him, right? And we would like interact every once in a while on Twitter and then or ex, and um, by the time he announced his candidacy to run in November, um, I was like stoked. I'm like, man, wow, like we have like a solid option here for I think most Republicans just imagine like Byron Donald's was gonna be the next governor. Like two years ago, I think if you asked the average Republican in the state, there's like Byron Donald's, you know, that's just the guy. Um, but he he hasn't done anything like to stand out or be like, why should I vote for you? I think all he does is say, like, Trump endorsed me, so vote with me. It's like, all right, well, but but what are you gonna do? And so here comes James Fishback, and he has all of these, he's got like all these like cornerstone, like pillar, you know, things that he cared about. You know, like the first thing obviously was the H1B thing, which I'm totally against, H1Bs. I think that they're a disgrace to our country, and there's good people here that should have those jobs. Um, I think it started with the the best intentions, and I'm gonna actually relate that to something else a little later. Um, you guys know well flock cameras. So um he, you know, he wanted to get rid of H1Bs in the state of Florida. Um, he was super against these data centers, which they're trying to pop up everywhere here. We have pristine land that we should be protecting in Florida, and I don't believe that we should be you know rolling out these data centers. And you know, he had this just this strong America first um pitch for himself, and so I I really appreciated that. And it was this option that was again at the time I didn't have anything wrong with Byron Donald. It's just he didn't tell me why I should vote for him. Just Trump endorsed me. I'm like, all right, well, there's gotta be more to it than than that, you know, for me. And so um I signed up to volunteer for his campaign, James Fishback, and we'd met in early January. We talked on the phone first, and then we met in person and we worked a few events together. And he's like, Man, I want you to run the county for my campaign. I want you to run Broward County for the campaign. I'm like, sure. And then he's like, as a volunteer, and he's like, Can you run the region? Uh one of his guys like, can you run the region? I'm like, sure. Like, hey, James likes you. Can you run both regions? Like these two regions. I'm like, okay, I'm like getting a little like involved in this now. My friends are like, what are you doing? I'm like, I don't know. Like, I'm somehow like, you know, running regions for this campaign. Next thing I know, this guy's like, I want you to come on full-time and be the director of operations and treasurer for my campaign. And I was like, All right, there might be like you have the best judgment because I'm like my background is literally as a police officer. Like, I chase guys down and like shoot them in the back with my taser. Like, you know, what are you what are you talking about? He's like, no, no, no, like the way you run my events, like we have this connection. Like, I think that you know, I don't because he he said to me this, I don't want one of these establishment guys to run my campaign. Because if they do, they're gonna turn it into just what everything else always turns into. Like the slop that you see, you know, it's like you get a guy like look at Trump in 2016. I don't want to get off on a whole thing, but like look at Trump in 2016 and what he represented and what that turned into, right? And I'm not gonna get into all that, but I think when you fill too many people into your operation that are establishment guys and they've already been doing this political thing for years, they're gonna know how to turn it into their thing. And it's gonna not be so much of what this grassroots thing that you started. And so I understood his point. He's like, I think you're smart, I think like law enforcement's a perfect background because you know, my background's in finance. I don't know anything about like the law enforcement thing. It's like I think you're gonna connect more with like the blue-collar guys than I can, and I want you to like running point on things. So I'm like, okay, so I work with this campaign manager and I started running all the events and planning things. It was like a different world for me, obviously. And I just like found myself in this world where I'm meeting with you know politicians and big figures in this world. Um, we were in Naples. Him and his senior advisors sit me down, and um basically they were like, Hey, look, we want you to be James' running mate. And I was just like, What are you, you know, what are you talking about? I'm I'm yeah, I'm not like you know what I mean, like I'm not a politician, I've never held any office, I've never ran for anything. Like, what are you talking about? You know, but 31-year-old guy who's like a cop, essentially, you know. And like when this is all said and done, like I'm gonna go back to law enforcement. And they were like, no, no, like we want you to be his running mate. And um, it didn't take like long, I didn't really have to think about it, you know. I was just like, well, yes, I'll do it if you think I'm gonna be like the best person for the job. But like I know the other names that were like in consideration, and I mean, you know, like there's other good guys that could do this. So it was an honor, obviously, to be asked. And um, I it made me actually realize like this guy is so serious about having like this anti-establishment uh uh movement, and and he's also so serious about law enforcement because we would talk, like he would pick my brain a lot about like, what was this like, or what was what's that like? You know, like he would ask questions, like when you make an arrest of what would happen, like just like simple stuff like civilians, you know, think about. And you know, I would just answer these questions, and he would ask me like more complicated stuff like how how would you fix this? Or like what would you do if you were in this position? And I would answer these questions off the top of my head, like what you know, we're just hanging out, and I'm just giving him like because we've been, yeah, I just you know, slowly but surely have been fed this idea that like, hey, I I I can be a leader, I can hold statewide office. And, you know, do I know everything in the world? Obviously not. I would never pretend, you know, I I don't know everything in the whole world. Um, but my experience as a police officer and my experience in the last seven months, essentially running this campaign and being an integral part in this campaign, have made me realize that I can have an effect, I think, in large ways, um, positively for public safety and law enforcement. I said it in one of my opening speeches as his running mate. I will be the strongest lieutenant governor on crime, public safety, and fraud and waste the state of Florida has ever seen because those are the things that I'm passionate about. Um I intend to audit every county. I intend to get into the nitty-gritty of how not just the agencies running, but how is the local government running their uh their facilities? Because I think that the fraud and waste is rampant. And I think that Governor DeSantis um has done a great job, but he he can't be everywhere and he can't know the little stuff that I know. Like he's not in Broward County, he's not in a small city in Broward County to see the way that they are wasteful with money with a taxpayer's dollar. Um, I've experienced those things firsthand, I've seen the fraud literally firsthand, and I won't I won't be too um um I won't talk about it too too in too much in depth, but I've seen the way the city of Lauder Hill is a corrupt city, and I look forward to being able to audit that city among many other cities and counties in in the city of Florida. So that's kind of my story. That's how I'm I've I've become here, and um I I do truly look forward to if if I get the opportunity to serve as the 22nd Lieutenant Governor, I intend to be a working lieutenant governor and uh have a positive effect, not just for law enforcement, but but for the entire state of Florida.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:08

Well, I I'm hoping you being uh prior cop is beneficial in in that aspect because there's there's work that needs to be done with law enforcement um to make uh obviously we always want to improve everything, but if that's your specialty, baby, let's let's improve law enforcement. So let's let's go down that line.

Social Media Vetting And Accountability

SPEAKER_03 1:38:27

Um, somebody is uh apparently from Florida, and we don't shy away from comments on here, so uh they're not happy with you. She said he is running for lieutenant governor in my state. I just or just google the stuff he says on post on X. It's not hard to vet this dude. So any any comments to that? I'm not exactly 100% sure what she's referring to.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:51

Yeah, you can pull it up. Um there's there was a there was a Bay News nine, it didn't get picked up by anybody, but some some person in Clearwater Beach, um, some outlet near Tampa. Um, so I I'm primarily on Instagram and and now typical on that side. So I'm I'm primarily on Instagram, but but I am, of course, now I'm active um more on uh on X. In fact, my my old uh Twitter account I I ended up deleting when I got more involved with uh our tactical team and just like not having like a public profile, my Instagram until I became involved in this this campaign was private. I didn't they they made me make it public. And so my my Twitter account that I used was like not a public facing account or anything. And then I got rid of that account as well because there's no like you know, if you're like scrolling feeds and stuff, like it's not private. So I got rid of my my Twitter and I just had my Instagram for like connections with family and stuff. Um I I had a uh I had a brother, I had a brother who, a family member. I'm not gonna dox him, not gonna talk about who he is, but he had his personal account uh banned and he's like, hey, can I use like can if I use your phone number or sign up for Twitter, can I use your phone number? I'm like, sure, I don't use it, so fine. So he creates a Twitter. Um he had said some exclusive things on on Twitter that I I don't personally endorse. Um if you go through my Twitter though, from the time that he created it, it was like November of last year through I don't know, January. There's like there's a handful of posts that, yeah, are again, I don't stand by, um, but there's no posts that are like personal to me. Like there's nothing about like my the campaign or me as like a sports fan. Like there's nothing that would like tie me to me. And so there's you can see where it becomes me. It's like the end of February, they're like, hey, Sean, you have to start getting active on on uh on X because you're the you're the director of operations and you should be like quote tweeting James and saying I'm like, okay, fine. So at that point, I get back on on Twitter and I just start using like normal. You know, I don't dig through my my my history. In fact, we had when we sat down and I knew I was gonna become the lieutenant governor, the running mate, they were like, Hey, is there anything we need to know about? Like, is there and I'm like, you know, look, they're gonna dig through my personnel file at work and like it is what it is, like there's nothing insane in there. It's like everybody's got a history, right? Um, they're gonna dig through that, and that's gonna come up and and you know that's fine. I'm not I don't shy away from anything I did as a police officer. Oh, like, but social media-wise, like, no, I have no, like, there's no girl that's gonna come forward, there's no like crazy thing on, you know, on social media, maybe you found you're gonna find me arguing with like some some Democrat maybe on Instagram, but like there's nothing crazy. Uh, and my my Instagram has been the same since probably Instagram came out 15 or so years ago. So good, dig through it, you know, there's never been anything crazy there. Um, and then yeah, this guy called me one day, uh Jeff Butera from the Bay Nine News. He's like, What are these tweets on Twitter? And I'm like, what tweets, bro? And he sends me screenshots, and I was like, that's not good. Um, and so I I told, I was like, here's my comment on it. Like, my my yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's bad. I had already updated like my my my Twitter or like me. It was like my name and my PFP and everything. So like, what are these tweets? And I'm like, Yeah, that's bad. I'm like, hey, look, I allowed my brother to use my Twitter because he was his phone number was banned. I know why his phone number was banned. Oh, he's popped saying stuff like this. Um, I don't stand by those things. It was a bone, it was a mistake to let him, you know, use my Twitter. At the time, of course, I didn't think I was gonna become any person, so I wasn't like scrutinizing my own social media, and that's it. That's all I have to say about it. So I I answered it then, James answered it, and we moved we moved on.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:12

There you go, Samantha. There you go. Um, yeah, in in uh KP Nation, actually, great point. You know, everybody's got a past, uh, and and people learn from their past. I think some of the best officers are the officers that have made a lot of mistakes. Um, Lord knows I've made a lot of mistakes. Uh so um, but you you touched on a topic that uh I actually posted about today.

License Plate Readers And Surveillance Limits

SPEAKER_03 1:42:36

Um and it's the LPRs, the license plate readers. And it's a hot topic right now. So you being a law enforcement person, I'm going to I'm gonna set the tone for this. I'll let you guys know from me. Like obviously, uh license plate readers are a tool that I use, but with that tool, I think it is a awesome, great power that can be easily abused. So we need to have checks and balances. First and foremost, yeah, guys. My stance is vendors should not have access to the data. The data needs to belong to the department. So if the vendor, and there's not, there's more than just flock, guys. Flock just happens to be the Kleenex version. Yeah, flock's the name.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:21

Flock's the Kleenex.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:22

So uh if it one, it needs to be exactly what it says it is. If it's a license plate reader, it needs to be just a license plate reader. It doesn't need to be something that can track Bluetooth devices and and and track car tag names and stuff like that. Like all of this stuff uh needs to be that way. Um, it needs to be exactly what it says it is. So if it's a license plate reader, it needs to be a license plate reader. The data needs to belong to the department. The department needs to have a robust policy in place before they ever fucking let their people use this technology, and this is where departments get in trouble. And then when we start using license plate readers, um we need to hold these vendors a little accountable to give us good auditing systems. Because if you work for, let's say you work for an agency that has 500 cops, I'm I'm just putting something kind of in the middle out there, and 300 of them are patrol officers and they're all entering license plates, numbers, and stuff like that into their uh LPR system, they need to be trained on how to do that stuff and understand how to use it. And when they do use it, they need to understand that if they use it inappropriately, there needs to be serious repercussions. I'm not talking you get uh a couple days off, no pay. I'm talking criminal charges, no different than if you abuse NCIC. So, and and for those that don't know, and NCIC is what we use to look up license plates, criminal history, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:51

So National Crime Information Center.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:53

Yeah, it should be as serious as NCIC or or in Florida, you know, we have uh David uh driver and vehicle identification database. It it should be as serious, you know, in in in the I I I would struggle to say as uh more serious, but yeah, it should be uh it should be just as serious. Um, you know, here's what I'll say about um here's here's what I'll say about the whole thing with the uh the LPRs. Okay, I like this thing here. Eric, you made that license plate reader video something for me to think about. Yeah, um so I haven't seen that video, but um I it's probably something worth checking out because they're becoming a hot topic. And like you said, Eric, um uh Flock is just the Kleenex name for LPR, right? So we all use them from for us in our city, the the it was called a recourse scout was like the actual like uh system we used. Um I don't know if those are the cameras, but you know, here's the deal. I made good arrests on LPR, right? I I've made good 10 arrests, and the LPRs that I got to use did not point in a way that could violate potentially somebody's privacy, and we only use them to read license plates. We weren't using them for other things. I think the the uprising you're seeing, at least in the city of Florida with LPR, is some of these, some of these LPRs are being pointed now in places where it's like, hang on, why is this here? It's not an intersection, it's being pointed at a playground, or a portion of the church is in the field of view. Or in some cases, people are tagging James and I on Twitter and they're like, hey, there's an LPR now that's like pointed inward in my community. Like, is there a possibility that there's a field of view in like my uh somebody's backyard here? Or you know, people just walking around being seen on this? Like, what's the deal? I think that um they start them, I think, with the best intentions. Hey, we're gonna crack down crime with these, and we're going to, we're gonna be able to track stolen vehicles, or if a vehicle is flagged, as you know, like it's it's entered into uh it's entered into teletype as being, you know, uh, an 18 vehicle, or there's a it's it it's uh uh kidnapping is associated with it. All those things sound great on paper, but when you start putting those cameras in places where it could potentially violate somebody's Fourth Amendment right, that is a bigger issue, in my opinion, than the ability to be able to track an uh uh a 10. Why don't we why don't we make a 10 arrest the old-fashioned way if that's your big case on having these LPRs everywhere? Again, I think that they were good when we had them in just areas that did not have a potential to violate someone's rights. But the moment you start putting them in places where someone has to even question whether their privacy is being violated, then the whole thing becomes a problem. Um, a deputy, a rookie, he was like a three-month cop. I I I could smell it a mile away at one of our events months ago had asked James about this. And James said, if if I had the opportunity to ban firearms forever, and now I and that's gonna guarantee that say a hundred whatever shootings a year don't happen, I would not ban those firearms because we should not strip all of our freedoms away for ultimate security. Um it's just not how we live as Americans. And so I think that that's where we're starting to lead down this path with LPR and Flock. Um, if if the state of Florida elects James Fishback as the next governor, he will block Flock, as he likes to say. He will end the LPR nightmare that's going on in Florida. Um I maybe there's a case to be made to be able to have them in a way that there is, like you said, heavy scrutiny. You have to have them in certain places that can't just be wherever you want to put them. It needs to be, um, I think, for lack of better words, policed better. I think that they're just being able to be put down willy-nilly. Um, and the last thing I'll say on this is it's actually it's it's similar, but no one talked about this because I think nobody knows about it. Um, have you guys had any use with uh shot spotter?

SPEAKER_03 1:48:33

Oh, I can I I'm not a fan of gunshot detection. I think it's a waste of money.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:38

Yeah, so we we had Shot Spotter all over the city of Water Hill. Um, I don't know what it costs, but I can imagine that's more wasteful spending because yeah, waste of money. But here's the bigger thing. First of all, the city was not, we as officers were not allowed to know where these sound detection devices were were in our city. We were not allowed to know. And so here's the next thing that nobody ever asks if they can pick up the gunshot detection, what else are they listening to? What else are they listening to?

SPEAKER_03 1:49:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:06

So, you know, we have this problem of oh, I don't want the LPR pointing at me. Well, what about the uh uh sound thinking devices that are all over the city? You have no idea what they can listen to. You know, something that James likes to say, and this is absolutely true. If they had LPRs pointed at people's communities during COVID, you don't think Anthony Fauci would have sent the Gestapo to knock on your door and say, Whoa, hey, you were outside walking around without a mask on. That's a problem. You know, we we can't put we we can't police that way. Just the same way officers shouldn't be getting in trouble because of their body camera footage that records something. Hey, officer, I noticed that you weren't wearing your seatbelt because it was picked up on your body camera. You're not allowed to you can't come down on me because it uh a policy violation got picked up on my body camera. That's the same kind of future, though, that you're looking at if you allow an LPR to be installed at every corner of every street and every city in America. And same thing with these sound listening devices, these these um sound thinking devices.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:59

Yeah. Um Good night, Pomegranate Brother. Appreciate you uh jumping on and asking some questions. Um I want officers out there I want to help you avoid a mistake. Um, because this is this is a problem and this is uh one of the things that happens. And I want to kind of educate people how this works. Let's say banning um he's working a homicide, and I I like using worst-case scenarios because it's just easier. So he's working a homicide and he's got a good plate for the bad guy, that the the one that they believe committed the homicide. So he gets that license plate, he enters it into the LPR system. So now any LPR cameras throughout the city, if that vehicle passes by, it's gonna take a picture of that license plate and say, hey, it passed at first in Maine at three o'clock today. And you'll be like, all right, cool. He was going southbound on that road. It doesn't show who's in the car, it doesn't show any of that stuff, it just lets you know that that license plate passed at that time. And you're gonna be able to see a screenshot of the vehicle that that license plate is attached to. So let's say Banning is out and about patrolling, and that license plate reader hits and he's right around the corner. And he's like, Oh shit, that's my car. So he goes up and he sees that car. This is where officers get themselves in trouble and and where departments screw up because they didn't take the time to create policy and training. There is no reason that he should depend on that license plate reader hit to pull this car over. He needs to confirm, he needs to visually see that that is the license plate. Okay, it's it's license plate ABC 123 out of Florida, and he needs to go look and say, Oh, yeah, that is license plate ABC 123. So now he's confirmed visually that it is the plate that he is looking for. And make a model on a car, we got to cover that because some of these like that's the next part. Like, you got to confirm that that's the actual car. Now, here's the thing: can we pull them over now that we've seen the car and we see the plate? No, you gotta run the tag. We have to run the fucking tag through NCI and make sure that it's still wanted. Yeah, yes, that's where cops fuck up because if it's a stolen vehicle or a wanted person for burglary, we'll we know we'll start dumbing down the charges here. Um, it doesn't matter. You cannot depend on the license plate reader to be up to date because they're not. It usually updates every six, twelve, twenty-four hours.

SPEAKER_09 1:52:29

It just depends on what you're they're not up to date, they do a bad job reading the tags. I'm sure you've seen a lot of times where it'll it'll tell you, Oh wow, there's a there's a there's an 18, there's a felony vehicle driving through, and then you go look at it, and yeah, a D is a zero, or you know, whatever, you know, or three is an E. Like it's a different state, it's the same thing in a different state, or like Danning just said, it's not even on the make and model of the vehicle that was entered.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:52

Right. So this is where officers screw up and they start to get themselves in trouble. Um, when they're doing it right. Now, don't get me wrong, there's been officers already busted. For those that don't know, if we're gonna go with Flock, Flock has recently introduced, they're trying to help fix the issue. They're they're they're one of the things that they did was that they released a um AI assisted auditing system, and it's it's actually pretty fucking good. Uh, it's so good, it actually kind of makes you go down rabbit holes on people that it's it's normal. And I'm like, why the fuck are you flagging this? But it'll flag anything that hits these certain parameters of suspicious behavior, you know, entering a plate um every day at like noon. And then you're like, why the fuck are you entering that plate every day at noon? That's weird, that's not normal. Normally, if it's a suspect, I enter it once and then I just wait for it to fucking show up. I wait for the alert, right? Yeah. Um, and you, you know, you just it's in a 30-day window or whatever that window is, and that's it. Um, but this this auditing system is is great and it's automatic. So, like a place like me where I'm at, do you know how many fucking hits there are a day? And then uses a day. Oh my god, there's so many. And we and we try to keep the auditing controlled. There's only two of us that do it for two thousand fucking people, and that that you know, that limits that span. That's what you want. You want to make sure it's being done right. And uh, so for me, I love that. I think that's great. I think that's a good step of showing that you're trying to put good faith to hold people accountable. Now, what we need to start doing on the police side is when we do hold them accountable, and that's why you're seeing so many in the media right now, because this new auditing system came out and it's busting all sorts of people for doing dumb shit.

SPEAKER_09 1:54:40

Yeah, but look at that female supervisor in uh Georgia, right? Just today that that story broke.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:44

Yeah, so but there needs to be criminal charges. I'm sorry, absolutely like hearing that, but fuck you. That that's you are like I said, there's some very powerful tools that police can use. I'm not going to let you ruin that, ruin that for me, who's using it the way it's supposed to be used. So if we're gonna keep public trust on this this topic and have that fair balanced middle ground, that's one of the things that you gotta do. For sure. That's just what that's just what I think. Um, I'm looking over here at the comments, and um if uh the following officer is alone, how sorry, if the following officer is alone, how do they run the plate? Do they type it in when moving, wait to get it at a red light? It well, okay, I see what you're saying. Um, it just depends, uh Jason. Um I think it depends.

SPEAKER_09 1:55:38

Yeah, if listen, if you're if you're uh I I think you get really good at at sort of typing while on the mow. And maybe people don't like to hear that, like, oh, you're not supposed to be doing that. I mean, your your your situation dictates what you're gonna be doing. Um, you know, I wasn't just posted up like running tags, I'd be driving around because you're looking for everything, right? And so um, yeah, if there's a tag to me that looks suspicious, like, okay, man, my thing was with traffic, and I didn't love traffic, but I knew how to read a bad fake. Like I knew a tag, a temp tag was fake like in a second. And so if if that was my assumption, you could do two things. And I think this is what Eric is about to say. Um, you could either type it in on an NCIC yourself, which I would do a lot of times, control P and run that tag, or you can go over the air. 43. Uh, can I get, you know, uh, can you run this tag for me? Um, and they'll run the tag and come back. It would often be quicker to run the tag yourself if you felt like you could comfortably do that. But if you couldn't comfortably run the tag by yourself, you could always go over the air and um and just run the tag that way.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:41

Uh Gabby says the guy in the blazer is kind of handsome. Hola, guapo. Thank you. I know a little bit of Spanish, just calling him handsome. Uh so um, yeah, that guys, in and tech's getting better. So, one of the things that cops can do now, at least I've seen with some software companies out there, is they can just dictate it. They can just say it while they're in the car. They just have the the thing ready to go for route license plates, and they're like, you know, either phonetically or just regularly be like Lincoln Tom Zebra 1, 2, 3, 4, and it just dictates it in there. So those are there's there's all sorts of different ways, but I I understand what you're getting at rules for thee, but not for me. Um, there are certain things that cops can do. Running plates, I would say, is no different than I don't need to look at my computer to run the plate necessarily. Um it's it's like operating a radio, you're you're only temporarily looking away from it. Distracted, yes. A second. Yeah, but you shouldn't be writing reports. And obviously, if I'm driving, I'm gonna try to limit typing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd just rather call it in. So I see that. But um we're we are at the two-hour mark, sir. We typically um, yeah, it goes by quick. Uh if we're doing it right, it goes by quick anyway. Sometimes you get guests on here and it's just painful. Uh, but you're not one of the I would tell you if you were. Um, but I have pretty much asked everything that I I've got written down. So from here, I love leaving it open. Is there anything that we haven't covered that you're like, I want to talk about this so we can fucking hammer it down?

SPEAKER_09 1:58:26

Um, I mean, you know, as far as law enforcement goes, I try, like I said, you know, I I try I did try and kind of make it more about on the law enforcement angle. And um look, I loved being a police officer. Um, we talked about narcotics kind of being my thing. Um, I've got a million stories like every cop does, so you know, we don't need to go over war stories forever. Um, I think people love doing that. Um, I commend you on being a property crimes guy because property I hated going to 21s, bro. Like a 21 would come out, and if it wasn't in progress, I didn't want anything to do with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:58

Yeah, you want to buy it right. Yeah, so I was so deep into it. We were doing buybacks, we were using Facebook Marketplace and stuff like that. Like, I would we would do undercover buys, undercover sales.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:10

Yeah, the serial, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:12

Like it was crazy. Like, I didn't realize that's good stuff.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:15

It was fun, and but a lot of these things now like are serialized, so you're right. Like the buyback should be easy if they stole like a like a console or a you know a MacBook or you know, an iPhone or something, it'd be easily. I think those buybacks should be easy. Um, and some of the property crime, like well, not even that. Like with like we had okay, we had a string of robberies going on, and um they were happening in this one area. There was this like this this over like this pedestrian bridge that was going over the turnpike, right? And um we were like, it was getting like embarrassing because it'd be like almost the same time, like every night, this guy would like rob somebody. And so they were like, hey, street crime's gotta go out there and like deal with this. So we're like game planning. I'm with the street crime guys, and we're like, How are we gonna like what are we gonna do with this guy? So I'm like, Sarge, why don't you just send me out there in civilian clothes and like I'll get robbed? But like, you know, like you'll be close enough, like just let me go get robbed. And we were close to like doing it, but they're like, there's too much liability, like you know, what if he shoots you or something? I'm like, he's not gonna shoot me, just give him my phone, we're gonna get him, you know. Yeah, but um, yeah, we didn't end up doing it. But you're right, like there's some like fun stuff, like you get creative on how you're gonna like catch people, and um, you know, I I think that like some of the best advice you can have to cops, um, especially guys that are maybe earlier in their career, and uh obviously, you know, to you guys, like I'm I'm not like a veteran or anything. I think my experience sometimes makes me feel that way because our week and my case, you know, I did like 15 calls for service a day and I was proactive. And so I think sometimes it feels like I was on the job longer than I was. But some of the best things you you you know you can have as a police officer is just like, you know, not I think believing yourself more and like digging in in in some instances, and I'll share one one story. I was a rookie maybe two months off FTO working nights, and I become I've become friends with uh a lieutenant that was there, and he was kind of like a mentor to me. And I remember one night I responded to this 13, a suspicious incident. There was a guy who was supposedly sitting outside of somebody's uh window and was like knocking on their glass and he was wearing all black. And so I show up and he's still there. And as I'm pulling up, he's getting ready to like bolt, you know. So I jump out, like, oh wait, come here, come here. And so I get him detained. I'm like, what are you doing? And he's like, Oh no, I'm I'm leaving. And I'm like, Well, you match the description of somebody that I'm looking for, and also do you live in this apartment complex? Uh no, I don't. Okay, well, then you're detained for LMP at least. So we're talking, and I'm like, what are you doing here? And he's like, No, no, I was leaving. I was here to see my friend, but he he's not up, I guess. I'm like, all right, is it this unit here? He's like, Yeah, like all right, yeah, no, this person doesn't want you around. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm gonna leave. Well, no, I need to get you identified first. So, what's your name? He's like, huh? When he said, huh, I knew whatever name he gave me next was gonna be fake. Because if you ask me my name, I don't need to ask you what was that? You know, like just say your name. So he gives me this name, this BS name. I'm like, okay, well, listen, hey, just just for a minute while I get you identified, because he didn't have idea on. Like, while I get you identified, I'm just gonna and I grab his arm, I'm gonna put you, just detain you for a second. I click him up. Um, hey, start me another unit, and I sit him down. And I'm running him on David, and everywhere I can run this guy, and I can't find him anywhere. He has no arrest history, he has no nothing, right? He's like, Oh, well, I just moved down here from New York a few weeks ago. That's why I don't come up in your systems. Yeah, okay, sure, you know, and again, I'm like two months on the job, and it's just like my spider sense is tension. Like, this is this BS. I don't believe what you're saying to me. So uh I call my supervisor, I'm like, hey, LT, like, can you come out here? Because I know you have accurate, and I just there's something to this, there's more to this. I need to get this guy identified. I don't feel comfortable letting him go. So he comes out and but dude, we're working this thing to the bone. So finally he's like, Hey, go say this name to him. Like, we're like, you know, back and forth, like, go take a picture of this, go like a tattoo and whatever. So finally, um, he's like, go say this name to him and see if he reacts at all. So I walk over, I'm like, yo, uh, I say the name, and he's like, huh? I'm like, gotcha. And I shut my door and they go back over to my my lieutenant. And he's like, he reacted. I'm like, yeah. And he so we run that on David, and boom, that's the guy. We got his picture up, it's him. So I run this guy now on teletype. He's wanted out of Colorado for a homicide. And my my my zone partner, who is like the the senior guy in my zone, in my in my in my uh district, the whole time I'm doing all this, he's like, Man, what are you wasting your time for? This is so stupid. Like, you're wasting all this time for 13. Like, we could be, you know, doing he wanted to go back to doing nothing. This guy was a no like, you know, in in my time as a police officer, I made probably 150, 160 arrests. This guy's probably made 30 arrests, and none of them are proactive. So he couldn't understand why I was doing all this. And um, I'm like, no, dude, because I don't have this guy identified. He's in my custody right now, and I don't know who he is. So lo and behold, this guy's wanted for homicide. And um we're driving to the jail, never forget this guy said to me, I've I've given that name before. And the cop just, why'd you do all this? Like, what made you dig and like work to like what made you do all this? I'm like, because you hesitated when you told me your name and I couldn't get you identified, and I was never gonna let you leave until then. And he was like, honestly, like it was just impressive that you just wouldn't let me leave, like you didn't just believe me. And you know, I share that story with with younger cops and just with with other people because it's a story, and it's not like exciting. I mean, other than him having that that 99, that warrant, but like nothing crazy had to happen, you know what I mean? Everybody's waiting for that, like, oh, and then what he like ran, like in that video that I have, you go, he ran or he reached, or no, no, it was just that hesitation, and it was just that like you should identify anybody in your custody because who knows what that guy was here to do, and who knows what he would do next week or whatever. You know, now he's gonna be dealt with the way he needs to be dealt with. So um, yeah, it was an interesting uh early experience.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:09

Wow. Wow, that's yeah, it's always good when you you get somebody trying to play the name game and you you fucking are able to corner them and figure out who they were. We I I actually told the story not too long ago, but we had one where we were working a property crimes thing, um, and it ended up being a pedophile. And it like we couldn't get them ID'd on the scene, like you can only hold them for so long, you know, and so we had to let him go. I was like, cut him loose because I don't, you know, if we do find something now, it's gonna be yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fruit of the poisonous tree. We we've held him too long, so let's let's kick right kick them loose. So we kicked him loose. We immediately went back to the the house and started digging, digging, digging, and then one of our guys figured out who he was. Same thing, you see the picture, you're like, That's the fucking guy, right? And you know, we're thinking burglar or something to that effect, not fucking, you know, yeah, aggravated assault of a child, like such a we're like, Jesus Christ. And so now all of the the the information that we had got, like we found out he was living with three kids that weren't his that were his girlfriends, and so yeah, it turned bad. Who knows? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the uh Kaku unit told us about how heinous this guy was, but same thing. Um we we kept digging and and plugging away because just like you said, there was something there. We knew there was something there, couldn't figure it out, and it ended up being the worst of the world.

SPEAKER_09 2:06:36

Trust your instincts, you know, and and yeah, dig. So um I really appreciate you guys having me on. I guess the some of the final things I'll say for people that are are watching. Of course, you guys are based in Texas, we're here in Florida, but um James Fishback is the real deal as far as you know supporting law enforcement. It's not just platitudes. He literally picked a police officer to be his running mate um because he's a little insane, but also because uh, you know, it's true to keeping an established an anti-establishment movement and keep this thing grassroots. So um anti-data center, you know, the only only one candidate in this race is talking about blocking data centers, and it's James Fishback. So I'm proud to be on this ticket. I'm proud of my work as a law enforcement officer, and uh I hope to be able to affect positive change in the law enforcement community. I think you said it best, actually, Eric, law enforcement's my thing. So let's let's let's stick with that. And that's what I intend to do in uh this new role is stick with law enforcement and stick with what I know.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:29

Interesting. I love it. It's very rare to find somebody like you doing something like this. So that's why I wanted to have you on and just kind of pick your brain, brother. Um really appreciate it. We'll keep updated. Um, you got my number now. Yeah, so um, yeah, definitely keep us in the loop. Um, but yeah, really appreciate having you on. Um, I'm gonna stick around with banning. Uh, we're gonna keep talking to the crowd and stuff like that. I don't want to bore you with our crowd work and and talking to our people, but we really appreciate you and thank you for your time, brother.

SPEAKER_09 2:07:57

Absolutely, thank you, Banning. Thanks. It's been a pleasure uh getting to speak with you as well. And I appreciate the questions and interacting with your audience. It's been cool. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:05

Oh, yeah. Sean, appreciate you. Take it easy, man.

SPEAKER_09 2:08:09

Have a good night.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:10

Later.

After Show Banter And Health Update

SPEAKER_00 2:08:12

Let me say a lot of people, a lot of people asking, and and just so everybody is aware, I try to be respectful of our guest, I try to not let this control this too much because I wanted Sean to have some time. Yeah, which is fine.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:26

That's why I was like, you know what? They're wondering why Banning's not talking that much. I'm gonna make some extra time after the show, after our guest, just for Banning. Now it's banning show, guys. I'm just gonna sit here and watch.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:36

And people were asking the rate that Eric has to pay for my each word coming out. I mean, I get it, guys. I wasn't talking much, but I was listening to the story. I mean, the guy had a fascinating story, he's running for office. I've ran for office in the past, we'll never do that again. It was uh it was an eye-opener, but it was an experience. Uh, and I wish him the best of luck. And hopefully, if he if he gets in the office, he does the best to uh make law enforcement better.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:58

Yeah, it was interesting because um I I had run across his uh can one of the campaign videos, and it was basically like that. It was an arrest video. I was like, what the fuck is this? I've never seen a campaign video like this. I don't even know why it ran across my algorithms because I I don't really follow politics anyway, but it was just interesting to see a cop have a cop video and have you know political spin on it. I was like, Oh, that's cool. So I I had wrote a comment, I was like, that's what I'm talking about, get some or something to that effect. And uh it was today. He reached out today and was like, Hey, I would be interested in getting on your podcast if you'll have me. I I didn't know him, I didn't know Sean at all. We had never had a conversation other than on this show, guys. So uh it worked out. I thought that was a good episode, it was it's fun to hear. Um, I think people got to ask plenty of good questions. I don't know shit about Florida politics. You guys know we don't do politics on here, so I think we did a good job skirting it as best we could.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:57

And and Tim, thank you. You as soon as you got in, you looked for what was going on in the chat, and you quickly addressed it. You did your job. We appreciate what you do each and every day. Yes, thank you very much. This one was a rare occurrence to where we were talking a little bit, but it wasn't so much politics, it was more law enforcement based. But thank you for what you do, Tim.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:17

Yeah, uh Luna keeps getting on me about not asking about baseball. I put the question up there, I didn't, I wasn't going to read it while he was talking, and then we just went past it. It is what it is. I can't get to all of them. Sorry. Everybody knows it doesn't matter what uh it doesn't matter about baseball at all because it's if it's not the tigers, no one gives a shit. So that's just how it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:41

Freeman keeps asking, how's my health and my diet? Man, it's going great. I'm I'm still plateaued right about 270, uh, which is the lowest I've been in a couple years, and I'm gonna continue to go more. Matter of fact, Monday, uh starting tomorrow, I'm going for a long fast. Last week I was gonna start a fast, then work got involved. We had the Texas Sheriff's Conference here. Eric was on vacation. Anyway, it was it was uh busy, busy, and I and I couldn't do it. It wouldn't make sense to do it then. This week is a little bit lighter of a week, so I'm gonna get a long fast in it. I'm hoping for you know longer than three weeks. We'll see. We'll see how it goes with just water and uh and and coffee. Uh we'll see how that goes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:18

Marine Blood said, yes, if you want Eric to be able to afford paying banning to talk more, donate. Oh shit. Well, Banning, let me, I mean, let's let's see what I got on my on my Instagram here since I got it pulled up. Um maybe there's a good video, a reaction video that we need to talk about. Um oh, this is a good one. You're gonna like this one. Let me uh let me share the screen.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:53

Uh answer Mike Cucumber's question, he just asked so the longest I did, Mike, was eight full days. Rested three days and did another eight full days. And I've done a couple other two and three day fasts. So eight days of nothing but water and coffee did my body great. Uh and that's that. Yeah, that's as long as I've done it. I wanted to do more though.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:15

Alright, let's uh let's pull this video up here.

Off Duty Badge Flex Gone Wrong

SPEAKER_03 2:12:22

Hold on, let me uh it does not look too great over on. Let's see, what does this one look like? That doesn't look good either. I'm trying to set it up so it looks good on the vertical and on. That'll work. That's good enough. I think. Let me see what this one looks like. No. Like this one. Okay. So we're unmuted.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:56

I'll help you. You walked up to my car.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:58

Yeah, you're speeding to the parking lot.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:00

No, I'm not.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:00

You're going over five miles an hour.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:02

How can I help you?

SPEAKER_06 2:13:03

You're going over five miles an hour. Who are you?

SPEAKER_08 2:13:05

I don't even know who you are.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:06

Yes, you do. HPD. You're speeding inside a parking lot.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:10

What's your name? Why are you coming up to my car?

SPEAKER_06 2:13:13

Because you're speeding inside a parking lot. Give me your driver's license.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:15

No, I'm not. Give me your driver's license. No, I'm not.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:17

Give me your driver's license. No, give me your driver's license. Give me your driver's license. Give me your driver's license.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:25

Your boys got cooked.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:27

Give me a driver's license.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:29

Y'all, I can't make it. Bro, I thought it was fake. I thought there's no way that can be real.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:37

It looks scripted. I was gonna call that. But when you pulled the badge, you know, I was like, you know what? This is something an idiot off duty, maybe new, never been addressed. Maybe I that's just man, why? Why even get involved in that? Let these on-duty guys friggin' do it. Didn't look like she was, we didn't get to see the car driving. Maybe she was driving fast. Great, be a great witness. If it's that fast, call emergency services and let them send somebody out there to deal with it that's in uniform on duty to act on what would be here in the state of Texas as a class C in this demeanor.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:13

And I'm pretty sure that that was Houston. I think that's what that was. I'm guessing, I but I'm probably I think I saw in the comments somebody figured out that it was Houston, and the dude's a real cop. And I'm sitting there and I'm looking at the background. I'm like, all right, it does look like in its apartment complex. So maybe he's an off-duty, then he's got a courtesy officer gig. So for those wondering what a courtesy officer gig is, is some apartments will pay for an apartment complex for their local police officer or give them a hefty discount or um, you know, give them half off their rent, whatever it is. Um, but their job is to handle any of the calls that happen at the apartment complex, and they get a discount for doing that. So I'm guessing that somebody complained that this car has been speeding through the parking lot, and he was like, Well, not on my watch. I'm gonna go over there and make contact. And he didn't anticipate the pushback. So um, when you work those gigs, when you do get a courtesy officer gig, there's protocols to that. There is ways that you should do that. One, you're supposed to go get in uniform. Like if you got to go handle a call, you get in uniform. Two, you call it out. You got to call dispatch and say, hey, handling a call at my my security officer gig.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:26

I did it for five years at three different locations, and I didn't do that. If I was gonna go, because I just give everybody an example on on what mine was. Uh, one was in the larger city that I worked, and they basically hooked up me as the off-duty officer that lived on premises uh for anything after 8 p.m. or I'm sorry, after 5 p.m. when the office closed, it was a call center. So if a resident had a loud music complaint or somebody was parked in their spot, this would be sent to my box. Um, and a lot of it was civil and I had no legal grounds of action. All I could do was document it, let the office see it the next day, or if it was criminal, or if you want to call loud music criminal, I mean it can be because there's a fine associated and the law enforcement officer on duty can write you a citation. You have to appear in court for it. Um, I would call on-duty officers and allow them to come out and make that assumption after I already listened to it, being careful not to tie up on-duty personnel for something very small as well. Uh, but if I were to go knock on a door off duty and do something, I would let my dispatch know I wore a uniform, plainly disguised, you know, hadn't had uh riding on as police officer, um, like I would on the street. So you there's just checks and balances. And if this guy was the the deal, he just didn't hand up handle that right. And I'm sure that went pretty viral with uh with that.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:45

Yeah, for sure. But and then the cuffing, like again, the point I make in the video, juice being worth the squeeze. Yes. Like if you're an officer out there, what the fuck are you doing? One, how are you going to measure speed in a private parking lot like and enforce it?

SPEAKER_00 2:17:02

Yeah, you can't. Nope. And then if that was in the state of Houston, you can't enforce uh what which that would be called again a class C violation. You can't enforce that as an off-duty officer, period.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:13

Yeah, yeah. It's insane, insane. Um stupidity. Uh, so I just my brain was like, like I swear, I thought it was fake. I couldn't, I couldn't, and I I just couldn't let it go though. So I wanted to read more and sure shit. It was real. Um let me see. Uh yeah, I think I got one more video. Okay.

Jail Video And Duty To Intervene

SPEAKER_03 2:17:45

Let me share screen.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:05

Just keep looking at what's happening.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:13

Consider this part two. Do you think police have a duty to protect handcuffed suspects?

SPEAKER_04 2:18:17

Stop moving your fingers. I'm grabbing my finger. Stop moving your fingers. Grabbing on me, stumblem. Stum. I told you I warned you multiple times you're gonna get punished. If you keep grabbing on me and moving your fingers, stumbling. Yeah, you understand now? Stum. Stop moving your finger.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:53

This one's out of all right. Yeah, that one pissed you off, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 2:18:58

Yeah, I went out of the uh social media mix this week, so I didn't see either one of those reels that you had shared, and uh that gets the blood pressure up a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:08

Yeah, so basic background on that one is the dude got arrested for whatever. I I can't some people were saying he's drunk. I I almost kind of think he has some special needs stuff going on. Um, it's kind of hard to tell in that small clip, but the officers attempting to do uh fingerprint cards in the Sally part with this handcuff subject. I I why I've never seen that before.

SPEAKER_00 2:19:34

I've done hundreds of fingerprint cards, and if they're too physically aggravated to give you fingerprints of the time, you put them in a holding cell till they calm down. There's different ways around that. But first of all, trying to do fingerprint cards and handcuffs for one uh takes some talent. Uh two, I mean, this guy had ego just from the beginning of it. Obviously, that's the gonna be the for some people the exciting part of the video of when they're when they're acting like that. But I want to know what drove this this peace officer to that level. Um the excuse book uh that you could say on that. I mean, that's just uh ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:15

What pisses me off is the other officer not immediately like, what the fuck? Like that would have been my immediate reaction. Like, what are you doing? Like, break them up, you get the fuck out of here. Like, obviously, and then take the guy into the Sally port into the jail because why are you fingerprinting out there? That's the other part. But dude deserves jail, and I'll give the department credit. They did charge him, so uh they did the right thing. Um, so yeah, it was a crazy video. I just had to point that one out.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:46

Did they charge him because this thing went viral in a foyer, or did they charge?

SPEAKER_03 2:20:49

No, no, they did it, they did it on their own right away. Yeah, they did the right thing, and I gave them credit for it. They did they did what was right. Um so super chat Starch Manning said uh for five bucks. He said, How do you all feel about ice? I don't really have any interaction with ice, to be honest. Um, I don't have an opinion. Uh, I think from what I hear and what I kind of know, they don't have long enough training. I think they should be trained better. Um, but where I'm at, it's never really been an issue. Anytime that we've actually worked with or around ICE, it's it's been pretty basic, nothing crazy. And had some guys that had done some pretty violent crimes. Um, one guy shot up an elderly Hispanic couple's van when they were backing out of their driveway because he said they got too close to his car. They didn't even hit their car and lit the back of their car up with an AK. Um didn't hit them somehow, miraculously. And uh, but we ended up finding him and getting had to get ice involved because he was a Haitian national.

unknown 2:22:03

Golly.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:04

Yeah, it was it was it was an odd case. Uh I didn't, you know, I I was working general assignments, so I random shooting case I got. It wasn't gang related or anything like that. So anyway, I don't really have a good answer for that. I don't have an opinion about ice. I can tell you that I feel like they need more training because the big recruiting push they're they're doing, they're only giving them like 42 days of training or something like that, from my understanding.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:31

So yeah, I I I think I've had two. Everybody thinks, oh, you're in Texas, you must deal with ice all the time, and you're out. No, I I really didn't. I had two uh run-ins. Uh one is they were trying to locate a subject in the county that I worked, uh, wanted to find, you know, speak to the supervisor on duty, and I was the supervisor and only person on duty. Um, so I spoke to them and went by and and got some uh license plates that were in a public area for them, and then they were like, Okay, we don't think he's there. And they went on to look at other investigative means to catch that person. And the other one was is uh they were taking down a person in a public place and wanted law enforcement presence there and provided the warrant, all the legal reasons why they were going to be there, and it went off with that itch, nobody was hurt, and it was a pretty violent person. So I I didn't have any any negative interactions with them, and I and I know people have, but I just personally didn't.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:22

Yeah, Michigan Farm Boy said off-duty cops not having authority to do something doesn't stop enough officers from doing something because they are given power to do whatever they think is right without much consequence. In the state of Texas, um, like I have I have authority 24-7 as a cop. Because I'm a sworn peace officer, I I have authority 24-7, uh, technically throughout the entire state. Um now my department policies uh says no. But um, you know, unless it's like somebody's in serious, uh imminent threat of serious battle injury or death, um, I'm probably not gonna get too involved anywhere outside of my own city.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:05

Yep. And most of the off-duty officers do well with it. They're a good witness. They're on the phone with 911 if they're not in their area, just describing what they see. They may have another their wife's phone in their hand or you know, maybe recording what's going on so they can give it to the investigating detective of what's going on, just being a good witness and writing out a good voluntary statement. I mean, that I've had that happen to me on vacation with my family. I watched a drunk driver uh slam into another vehicle uh with a family inside. And, you know, could I have gone over there and effectively made an arrest? Yes, but that probably would have made it worse. Um, I was there as a good witness and and we were able to call it in. Law enforcement got there on duty, and I was able to provide a voluntary witness statement, just like any of the viewers can do when they called 911 and just to articulate what you saw. And that's I haven't seen too many off-duty officers here. Do you have I have I seen them? Have they been addressed? Yes. Uh kind of like the extent of the first video that Eric showed out there. That's that's kind of some of the stuff that I've seen, but very, very rare.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:02

Ryan said, uh, Eric, uh, are you required to carry a firearm when you're off-duty? No, I'm not required to. Do I? Yeah, I'm always carrying, brother. Carrying right now. Uh, not only am I carrying right now, there's like several other items around me that I don't need to carry, but I'm always carrying. Uh and I'm on my own property. So I've just seen too much shit as a cop where I'm just like, yeah, you should probably carry all the time. Just never know. Uh I'm I'm a big believer in the Second Amendment, y'all. You know that. Most of y'all know that. So um, all right, let me go there back to this video thing here. Let me see if it'll let me play this. It wouldn't let me click this one video for some reason. So I clicked on that one to like mess with it. But it's uh it's a Texas one, I believe. It's it's still not doing it. What's wrong with this video? I wonder if I click a different area. Maybe if I open it in a new tab. Here

Stop And ID Confusion On Camera

SPEAKER_03 2:26:19

we go. We're gonna share this tab instead.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:25

Because I am not being suscited. No, you're not. There's no reasonable, articulable suspicion. I'm not gonna sit here and argue this on the table with you. Well then you're free to go. You're free to go. Yeah, I know. So you need to move along from where you're gonna do it. I don't have to move along. This is a public space. Get your sergeant here.

SPEAKER_06 2:26:40

He's right there. I'm right here.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:41

What's your bank name back to you?

SPEAKER_06 2:26:43

For a legitimate reason because we get a call for service on you, which allows us to contact you, okay?

SPEAKER_05 2:26:49

There is no reasonable articulable suspicion because you have not identified a law that I have broken or have been suspected of breaking because you have not witnessed anything that I have done. I mean, if you guys want to get sued, that's fine.

SPEAKER_06 2:27:02

Identify yourself or you can be placed under arrest for you.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:04

Placed under arrest for what? Am I being detained right now?

SPEAKER_06 2:27:06

Until you identify yourself? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:08

If I've committed a crime, then go ahead and arrest me.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:10

Nah, that's not so what really drives me up the wall on this one is the beginning of the debate was Am I free to go or can I leave? And he's like, Yeah, you're free to go. Like, I'm and they say, like, yeah, go. And then at the end of it, now all of a sudden you can be charged with a crime for not identifying on something that you were originally free to. So, what changed between the time I was free to go and I'm not free to go?

SPEAKER_00 2:27:38

Ego raise.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:39

Ego, a hundred percent. And what pissed me off even more is there's a sergeant backing all of that shit up. Um, but one of the points in this that kind of I want to make a point about is the one, the charging of you know, you being charged for not showing your ID, which is not true. In Texas, you either have to be under arrest or has to be a lawful traffic stop for you to to get failure to ID. We didn't we didn't have that. Um, the other point that I wanted to make is and this is this kind of goes against the camera guy. Officers are not required to articulate their reasonable suspicion to you. Now, do I think it's beneficial and that you should if you have it and you're trying to investigate something? Yeah, I think you should. Um keeps the keeps the situation a lot calmer if you're just but where my articulation needs to be is on the report for the courts, not for you. And again, I do that's just the way the law is written. I'm not saying I agree with that. If I'm gonna stop this guy on the stream, say, hey man, uh, we got a call here. Um, they said that a guy wearing exactly what you're wearing was breaking into cars, and that's why we're out stopped with you right now. And then go from there. Now you start to investigate. Oh no, I just I work right there at that corner store and I was on my way home. Oh, okay, cool. That makes sense. Well, I didn't see you do anything. Got no offense. I got nobody complaining that a car has been broken into. I don't have a lawful reason to get your ID, but it would help my report. Uh, you're not required to give it to me, but can I get your ID? Because I'm always going to ask. And tell me kick rocks or my name's Megatron. Okay, Megatron, I appreciate it. Thank you. Have a good night. That's how that goes, guys. Short and sweet. It's not hard. But them cops fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 2:29:38

And it's just bad. I mean, there it looks like they're on a downtown presence down there, so they're dealing with people all throughout their shift. And it's just like, how many times has this gone on? And when does that training stop? And your FTO telling you, hey, if dispatch gives us a call, you better be not be the one that's not identifying everybody on scene. Every time I hear somebody going through that type of training, Lord have mercy, man. Yeah. That's just horrible.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:00

That's it's why I say it. I think just like the Miranda warning, I think us as officers, we need to there needs to be a national requirement of um educated consent. I guess that's the best way to put it. I don't know another way to verbiage that, but if I have a right to your ID, I need to say, hey, I need your ID. Here's why I'm privy to it. Or, hey, can I get your ID? I'm asking because I don't have a right to it right now. But it would help me out if you could give it to me. And now I've educated you, just like with the Miranda warring. You have the right to remain silent. Anything say we'll be using for gonna love blah blah blah blah blah. With that in mind, do you want to talk to me? Kick rocks. All right, I'll be over here fucking off.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:45

Thanks for watching. And if you don't have anything else as the peace officer, you don't have anything else.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:50

On to the next.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:51

Yep. Um, Eric Mustaine said, Have you guys heard about the cop in Mundellian, Illinois that shot and killed the black

Quick Reaction To Recent Shooting Clip

SPEAKER_03 2:31:03

lady? There's a body cam video of it. Was just curious if y'all thought it was warranted.

SPEAKER_00 2:31:09

Never even heard of it, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:11

I just let me type it up. Um, what did he say it's called? Mundellan. Illinois. Illinois. Illinois. I can't spell it. Shooting. Black lady. See if that helps out. Videos. Um family of women killed in police shooting. This was two weeks ago. We'll share the screen. You guys can watch the story with me because I don't know what the fuck we're talking about. Um share screen. Bam. Boom. And we can make this the last story of the night. All right. You guys see what I see? Let's biggie size this guy and go.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:02

North suburban Mundeleine is now demanding accountability. Loved ones packed a village board meeting last night demanding answers. You may remember on May 11th, family members called police to a home in Mundaline saying 37-year-old Mary Alice Love was having a mental health crisis. Police body cam video shows the moment they found Love in the backyard with at least one knife. We want to warn you, some might find this video disturbing.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:51

They didn't quite show the whole thing, but if you're gonna walk in during a rest situation with a knife, like made made sense to me. Like he if that person that was in the hoodie walking in had a knife and that's why they fired when they did, because they were trying to arrest the old lady that was having a mental health issue.

SPEAKER_00 2:33:15

You just need more context. Unfortunately, that was a news story, and you're gonna you're they clip it out for time. Uh but I'd I'd like to see the entire body camera footage if somebody wants to direct it towards us and can't really, it's hard to give a all we have are opinions, so it's it's hard to give an opinion

Final Thanks And Closing

SPEAKER_00 2:33:32

on it. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:32

Sorry about that. Um, but yeah, other than that, I feel like this was a good episode. I think we got a lot done. I got nothing else, Banning. You got anything else for the peeps?

SPEAKER_00 2:33:43

No, man, it's been a pleasure and I appreciate all of you being here. Sorry I didn't uh talk enough for everybody. I was trying to give Sean his uh his time. Next time I'll make sure I chime in just a bit more.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:52

And you know me, guys, I talk too much. So tell me to shut the fuck up. Um, but anyway, all right, guys. I appreciate you. Thank you for all the donations tonight. Uh, really does help out. Uh Harrison, thank you very much, sir. You've helped us out two nights in a row. So big shout out to you. Love it, brother. Thanks for the help, and everybody have a good night. Peace.