Jay Bandy: Beyond The Thin Blue Line

A rookie cop makes one stupid decision off duty and it follows him for years. Then he becomes the kind of voice the internet rarely expects: blunt about police mistakes, serious about constitutional rights, and willing to say “cops need to do better” without turning it into cop-bashing content. Retired New Haven, Connecticut officer Jason Bandy joins us to talk about what actually changes behavior in law enforcement and what just creates more heat than light.

We get specific about the legal stuff people argue over daily: Fourth Amendment basics, when police can demand ID, why “failure to ID” gets abused, and why “treason” isn’t the right label for rights violations when there are already real civil and criminal remedies. We also dig into the parts of policing the public rarely sees, like how weak supervision lets bad reports and bad probable cause survive long enough to embarrass everyone in court, and how promotions can reward test-taking instead of street-level competence and judgment.

Then we step into the modern chaos where policing meets social media: First Amendment audits that expose training gaps, rage-bait clips that train viewers to escalate, TikTok cop clout, and viral videos that spark big legal questions fast. We react to a Tesla driver blaming autopilot for speeding, a security guard claiming “lawful orders” without clear authority, and an arrest over a “dangerous games” law where an officer tries to take someone’s camera as “evidence.” Jay also shares his book, Citizens Law, built to explain American law and police encounters in plain English for civilians and cops alike.

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Disclaimers And Live Setup

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hey Sergeant Eric Levine. Before we get started, here's a quick disclaimer. The views and opinions you're about to hear are those of the hosts and guests alone. They don't represent any police department, agency, sponsor, or employer. Two cops, one donut isn't responsible for anything said by guests or for any videos, clips, or content shown during the live stream. This show is intended for adult audiences only. We cover real incidents, we show graphic and sometimes disturbing footage, and we don't shy away from strong language or adult conversations. There may or may not also be alcohol involved. Viewer discretion is strongly advised. Everything you hear or see on the show is for entertainment and educational purposes. It is not legal advice and it's not tactical instruction. And it shouldn't be used for such. By continuing to watch, you're telling us that you understand, you accept all of this. All right, now let's get into it. All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I am your host, Sergeant Eric Levine, and I have with me today the one, the only co-host, Banning Sweatland. What's up, buddy?

SPEAKER_00 1:02

What's up, brother? How are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Oh, living the dream, sir. Sitting here trying to uh you know run things in the background like we always do and try to get our guest on here. Uh he is having some technical difficulties which we can't understand. So for everybody in the audience, we're gonna give that some time. We're gonna try to get that working. Uh, everything was working perfectly. We were sitting here just discussing because we had gotten ready so early. Yeah, and all his stuff is linked up, all of our stuff's linked up, everything's fine. And then all of a sudden, his picture froze because his mic wasn't quite operating properly, and everything just went to shit. So uh for those that are making fun of my awesome new retro rifle peppermint shirt, as you guys are calling it, this is pink and like a pastel blue. It's uh a Barbie shirt. It's their it's got bombs all over it, Barbie bombs and Barbie dreamland shirt. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Uh nobody's here to judge you, man. I know it it wouldn't go well with my uh gray and somewhat red left beard.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Um, but we do have our guest today, and his photo is right there because his camera just does not want to work. He can hear and talk to us.

SPEAKER_08 2:21

You guys hear me? We can hear you. Yeah, it's just so weird, man. I don't like yeah, it was working two minutes ago, and now all of a sudden, not working. Let me see if I can unplug my camera and maybe plug it into something different here.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Yeah, maybe that'll work. Who knows? We'll we'll just we'll I mean, if we have to, we'll just use your avatar the whole time and we'll figure out.

SPEAKER_05 2:42

Talk to the ghost. Let me see.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

It's not not too big a deal. Uh, we can always make things work, but um, for those wondering what's uh oh, that's even that looks like we're talking to a suspect. Yeah, that's right. It's still still frozen. Yeah, it's so weird. Um, we've got uh so this is Jay or Jason Bandy. Uh he is a retired cop, uh, was a cop up in Connecticut, uh, and is no longer doing that, but has had quite the career and has been making some waves on the social medias. That's how I found him. Um actually, he busted my balls thinking that I was uh on duty making videos at one point. I was like, ah no, no, no, no, that's not this guy. I was like, I don't do that shit. Uh as a matter of fact, we call that shit out. So we thought that was pretty funny. Um, and then ever since then, Jay and I've been going back and forth uh just cutting up and I think we're pretty like-minded on a lot of our stuff. So what do you got to say, Jay?

SPEAKER_08 3:49

Yeah, I agree, man. Uh I I mean, listen, I think that we're trying to do the same things like we talked about, which is just educate people. I think that what's going on out here in society is that a lot of the citizens are really uneducated on on what's going on in policing, what the law really is, and what police are allowed to do, not allowed to do, as well as what they're allowed to do and not allowed to do. So I said, you know what, let me just you know put my experience out there, you know, and that's that's what I did.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Yep, yep. And uh it's it's crazy because with doing this, like I said, I've been doing this five plus years now. Another thing that I've learned um from our audience is that there's a lot of things that cops are fucking up that police have no idea that we're screwing up as much as we are, you know, to include like one of the easy things I always like to point out is like the ID crack and trying to um say people are required to give ID in situations that they're not required, and trying to point out some of these problems in policing that it's like yeah, yeah, we look at it as it's just an everyday thing. We get kind of complacent to it, but to citizens that don't deal with this all the time, it's a rights violation to them. And they and and cops aren't taking the time to educate either. And that's kind of a problem that with with what I've got is just like the Miranda warning, when you like when you think about the Miranda warning, like why did we why did that get put into place? Is because people didn't know their rights and we were taking total advantage of that. And I kind of look at the ID stuff the same way. I like to educate people. Like, if I if I have a legal like right to get it because of the law, the law backs me up, well then I'll explain that. But if I don't, I let people know their rights. I'm like, hey, I don't, you're not required to give me your ID, but I could use it for the police report and what I'm doing, it just helps me. I are you willing to do that? And if they tell me to kick rocks, I just kick rocks. Is what it is. If I can't figure out what I need to do without it, I'm not a very good cop.

SPEAKER_09 5:59

Very true, very true.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

You know, so you know, I look at it as like with a lot of the stuff that cops have today, we well, we gotta have that, we gotta have this. And uh damn, that camera just does not want to trying to figure this thing out, trying to figure it out, man.

SPEAKER_08 6:13

It's so weird because when I go into my app on uh yeah, on the actual camera app that sets it all up, it's working perfectly fine. But when I'm it must be the restream somehow, there's it must be this yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Um, I'm looking over at the comments, guys. If you are on TikTok or if you are on Instagram, just know that it is harder for us to respond to you because everything else is flowing through YouTube, basically. So if you're on any of the other platforms, we recommend that you jump over to YouTube for a better chance for us to see your comments. But I'm looking over at TikTok at the moment and I see Mrs. Jane Crymoore say, I uh, are good cops going to start wearing different uniforms or patches? How are we supposed to tell you apart from other bad cops? Well, just like I tell anybody, you judge a person by their actions, not by what they're wearing. No different than cops shouldn't be judging people by the color of their skin, right? Judge them by their character. If you just look at the uniform and you say that that's a bad cop because he's a cop, well, I'd say you're part of the problem.

SPEAKER_08 7:16

Right. Um let me see something. I'm gonna come right back in in two seconds. I just want to uh see if this camera fix were uh works. No orders, Jay.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

We'll keep the show rocking and rolling. Um so yeah, guys. Uh Jay has uh he's got uh a unique style. Highly recommend you check out his social media stuff. Don't let the the name of the show turn you off right away. I know our crowd. Uh just because it says the thin blue line on there, um, or beyond the thin blue line, don't let that make you think it's a cop echo chamber. That is not what he's doing these days. So all right. Well, what do you say, Jay?

SPEAKER_08 7:57

I'm back, I'm back to the same thing. I don't know, that didn't work, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

Okay. Did your does your laptop are you on a laptop? Yeah, is does the laptop camera work?

SPEAKER_08 8:08

Nah, they're all staying frozen, everything for some reason. I tried them all. Let me see.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

That is crazy. Did you do a complete shutdown? Like complete shutdown of your laptop and come back in, click on the link in the email.

SPEAKER_08 8:19

Yeah, I could do that if you guys want me to. Yeah, try that out. Try it out.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

Try that you do a fix, man. Yeah. All right, let's see. All right.

SPEAKER_02 8:26

Old Microsoft fix. I'll be back in a couple minutes. All right, brother. No worries. Gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

I can tell you he's gonna be amazing because he's having the same problems I had.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

That automatically makes him amazing.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

I work for a technology company, and uh, I'm probably the one of the worst. That's why I leave it up to my engineers at work for all that amazing stuff.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Yeah. Um, looking at the live stream, we are rocking and rolling. We are over, we were at 140 at one point. It's it's going up and down, but anytime we're over 30, I'm pretty fucking happy. So knowing that we're up in the hundreds, we're we're doing pretty good. Um, while we're waiting for our guests, let's give you guys uh some updates. Banny, what's going on in your life, sir?

SPEAKER_00 9:09

Going to a lot more shows, uh, law enforcement style shows. And um I don't want to say everything that my my company's gonna allow me to do, but it's kind of exciting, man. I'm gonna be, let's just say, interviewing great cops from around the country and kind of getting their stories out there. So I like it. Um, it's good stuff, man. And it's uh I can't wait to bring it. And of course, I'll throw it out on LinkedIn and and uh and YouTube and stuff as it comes more to fruition. But it's it's exciting things, man. Good stuff. How about you?

SPEAKER_02 9:39

Um, right now, for me, I am going to be heading out to Flock Forward, and um I don't know if I'm allowed to technically say it yet. I'll just say this. I'm going to be interviewing somebody very big, and I get a half hour, and it's going to be on behalf of two cops, one donut. No, okay. So it's gonna be pretty cool. Um, so just expect that. I'm looking at Ryan's comment. He said, I bet if if he had a flock camera, it would still be working. So I just found that funny that we were both talking about that. And then I am gonna be flying directly from that over to Phoenix at the Phoenix Convention Center, and we're gonna be putting on our National Real-Time Crime Center Association where I will be with you at conference, yes. Oh yeah, I have it's kind of come coming in and out.

SPEAKER_09 10:35

I don't see can you hear me? We can hear you. Yep, I can hear you. So weird, it's so weird.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Um, try it, try it without your green screen on. I wonder if that's that's it.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Wait, that's slow.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Yeah, green screens tend to slow things down occasionally, just depending on the could be the software might not be as compatible with the green screen. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

It's also easier to go out and do that and it'll refresh.

SPEAKER_08 11:01

That worked, that worked, bro.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

There you go.

SPEAKER_08 11:03

There it is. Look at you guys. You you you you guys know you guys know what you're doing, huh?

SPEAKER_02 11:07

I'm off genius.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

You know what we're doing because of my failures.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

So yes, yes, 100%.

SPEAKER_09 11:14

Uh all right, we're good to go. We're good to go.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

Okay, what's uh let's look over at the comments here. One angry goi. One angry goi. You two ain't got shit to say. Okay, bye, Felicia. If you don't want to watch, don't watch. Ain't nobody's holding you here. Nope. And and now there's three of us, so maybe all three of us ain't got shit to say. Fuck out of here. Who are you trying to play? Uh anyway. Cut country girl goes, Am I invisible? Country girl, why don't you relax? Uh oh, I'm getting some feedback. What is that?

SPEAKER_00 11:56

I got an angry stomach.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Yeah, Jay Slink, you're getting did you put the noise cancellation on by chance?

SPEAKER_09 12:03

Let me see. Where is that in the settings here? Yeah, the settings right there says uh noise suppression is not is not supported in Safari, it says.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

Noise suppression.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

It should say on the settings on restream on the very bottom right.

SPEAKER_09 12:23

Maybe because I'm not on the right here. How's it sound? Better? There you go. Butter. Okay. There we go.

SPEAKER_08 12:29

Yeah, I didn't it didn't connect to my mic, I guess, when I came back on. So that sounds better.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

That sounds way better. We're golden. I think we're good. You're golden, pony boy.

SPEAKER_08 12:39

Let's do it.

Why Public Education On Policing Matters

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Love it. Um okay. Now, I think we've I think we've warmed up the crowd long enough. We're we're 12 minutes in and we finally got our tech support out of the way. Uh, shit happens, it's alive. Deal with it, people. Um uh one angry boy said, uh, all three of you are government cucks. Well, what do you know? What does that say about you? You're sitting here watching us, so I think you're the one cucking over there, you weirdo. Uh, but no, maybe you should give us a chance. Maybe we'll surprise you. Uh looking at the comments, Country Girl said, I see you, CeCe. I'm sorry, Shotgun said that.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

And uh I'm thinking he's wanting a comment or a reply as because he obviously wants to be seen on screen. Look at these comments. So yeah, press hard, you're making copies, and my wife's gonna get the free caster at the end of the month.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

Blue gangsters, eh? Criminal assholes, all cops.

SPEAKER_08 13:37

Okay, oh man, that's you know what's interesting because when I see I had a big debate on my page for a while where it was the debate that you know all cops are bad, you know, like and and the big debate on my page was let's say you're a cop and you see another cop doing something wrong. If you don't correct that cop or you don't intervene or you don't do things like this, then you're a bad cop. That's the debate.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

So they think you can just instantly arrest somebody on site.

SPEAKER_08 14:02

Oh, don't get me started with that, bro. That I I made a video about that. They think that you could put handcuffs on your partner in the middle of a call and arrest him.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

Yeah, and I'm like, doesn't work that way.

SPEAKER_08 14:13

I'm like, like, listen, legally, yes, I mean the law states you probably could, but there's put there's procedures within your department. I mean, the other aspect is is you're within your duties, right? So you are on the job, you are in your uniform. There's things that cops are allowed to do when that this society is not allowed to do. So it's not for me to say it's for the leadership, it's for the the attorney general. And and if a cop does something wrong, all I could do is is report it to my supervisor and and put it on paper. I can't put lock him up, you know. I mean, it's just crazy some of the things that society thinks.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Yeah, there's in in you will ruin a case if you try to do that, and that's the thing, is if it's something that because you never know what another cop sees. Um let's say I see a cop just punch somebody, I'm like, oh motherfucker, and I I try to have that mindset, I go put him in cuffs, and I do all this shit, and then turns out he saw a person uh with a knife, or just before I seen that, the dude that he just hit had hit somebody else. Like I'm just putting factors out there. Like you never know what the other cop perceived in the moment at that time, and that that makes a difference. So you do have to kind of let these things play out because you can ruin a case. And one of the ones I like to bring up, this just happened, is some piece of shit cop that was looking at uh child pornography or something to that effect, um, soliciting kids. Uh, they ruined a case. They had like 38 different cases on this guy, and it got thrown out because the cops jumped the gun and didn't follow procedure properly, and he got thrown the cases got thrown out. Now he got fired as a cop. He's not a cop anymore, but that guy should be in prison. And he's not so that's crazy. That's that's what we're saying. You can jump the gun on the stuff too quick. Um I I think there's absolutely times you again, a lot of people like, well, have you ever arrested a cop? I have arrested four cops, but it this just depends on they weren't on duty. Um it was different circumstances, obviously. Um, have you ever seen the video of the officer, the sergeant? He's he's berating and going hands-on with a guy in the backseat, and then a female officer comes up and tries to Sarge, Sergeant, I got it, I got it, and like tries to get in between, and he like grabbed me by the throat. Yeah, like people like to use that one as an example.

SPEAKER_08 16:32

They love that one. I people comment about that one all the time. I'm like, listen, that's that's a very rare scenario. And also, I when I tell people, this is a prime example, safety, right? You're in the middle of a police call, you're dealing with citizens. If it unless a cop is is, in my opinion, putting someone's life in danger and it's unjustified, you know, let that I'll let that cop dig himself a hole. You know what I mean? I'll pull him aside, you know, when I'm away from the citizen, you know, when we're back at our cruisers, or even after the call, you know what I mean? Like, because listen, if you violate somebody's first amendment right, or you're not letting them talk, or you're not letting them whatever, that's really not going to hurt somebody. You know, it's uh they they can still deal with that after the fact to get the cop in trouble. So intervening right that second is is not safe, in my opinion. You're you're gonna start an altercation with your co-worker, and then you're gonna create a safety hazard where you're not watching the citizen, you're fighting with your co-worker, bad things can happen.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

You know, and what what's to stop him from going, No, I'm arresting you now for trying to arrest me. Yeah, like it's just gonna be a back and forth.

SPEAKER_08 17:33

Um, that video that video you just talked about is a prime example. Look at how the guy reacted. You know what I mean? What do you think is gonna happen? You're dealing with two cops. I mean, so sometimes you know their egos are are a little a little high. You're you're in a high tense situation. You don't want to create a problem like that.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

A little. I would say uh you know, I don't have any research to back this up, but I would say the majority of cops' egos are a little out of control. Yeah, um, so we got some qu people are already they're noticing the headband.

SPEAKER_05 18:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Of course, we haven't really gotten into your background yet.

Jay Bandy’s Background In New Haven

SPEAKER_02 18:05

So if you could, sir, give people a little bit of background on OJ Bandy, let them know where you're from, what you do, and uh give them all that.

SPEAKER_08 18:13

Of course. So I grew up uh in Connecticut, I was born in Florida, grew up in Connecticut. I'm back down here now in Florida after I retired. And um, I was a cop for just under like 14 years. All right. I did uh I retired medically. Um I was an active cop. So like I try to tell people the city I worked in has about 140,000 people. It's in New Haven, Connecticut. Um it it was people really only know this city for two reasons. Pizza, because it's like one of the best, best pizza in the country. Um that they that Dave Portnoy guy, uh the bar school guy, his favorite, yeah, his favorite pizza place that he ranked the highest is uh is Sally's, which is in uh on Worcester Street in New Haven, Connecticut. So everybody knows the area for pizza, or they know it for Yale University, because that's where Yale University is. Um but when I when I describe it to people and I'm like, hey, Yale University, they think it's like this beautiful place. I'm like, no, it's in the middle of an inner city. You know, Yale was built before this city went bad, you know what I mean? So it was a it's a very violent city. It's typically in the top 10 for the most violent crimes um in the country per capita, meaning too much crime for the amount of people that live there. Okay. Um so I got hired very young. I was around 21 years old, 22 when I got hired. Um my career was crazy, okay? And in the beginning of it of it, it was my fault. Um, you know, I I I got terminated actually the first year I was on the job. And uh that was a crazy situation. Um, I could get into it, and it was but it taught me a lot. And and honestly, when I look back at the situation, it was it was probably necessary. I mean, you don't really understand it w until later in life, right? You look back, you reflect on your life, and you kind of say, hey man, all these things matter, and even the bad things matter. And uh it I think I really truly believe that that situation of me getting in trouble when I was on the um my first year in the job built me into a better cop. And I made a video about that. How sometimes, you know, cops that got in trouble, those cops are the best cops because they have more empathy, they understand what you're dealing with on the street when you're taking someone's freedom away. You went through the court system yourself, you got arrested yourself. You have a better understanding of what this person you're dealing with is gonna go through. And sometimes, in my opinion, that's a great thing because you you understand how to deal with the person a little bit better, you know, they rather than cops that think they're just above everybody, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Yeah, that's uh one of our buddies, Detective Matt Thornton. Same thing, same opinion, same, same. I don't know your exact background story on his, but he also uh was, I believe he got arrested. Uh, and it was it was real close to a felony or possible felony, but he was managed, he managed to get hired onto a department after that. And you look at what he does, Matt is a uh he's a saint, man. He he has this whole nonprofit where he's working with uh you know um male juveniles that are uh wrapped up in gang life and stuff like that, trying to get them off the streets and whatnot. He dedicated his whole damn life to it.

SPEAKER_08 21:21

Um well, you know, you know what happens in situations like that is you you go one way or the other. It's it's the same thing with criminals, you know, guys that go to jail, they come out of jail and they're they either turn their life around or they don't. It's no different than any other person. I mean, listen, we all have a bad day, a bad night that can turn into something that can really uh follow you forever, unfortunately. But that that doesn't necessarily mean that that one day or that one night is who you're you are as a person, you know, and people will always hold that over your head. That's what happened with me. And um, if you want, I'll get into the story about uh how I got terminated and why that happened, and then you know, uh how I came back.

How A Rookie Career Nearly Ended

SPEAKER_02 21:56

I'm sure people want to hear. Let's let's go.

SPEAKER_08 21:58

Sure, man. I mean, listen, uh So I got hired really young, and I had a lot of stuff going on in my personal life as a young kid. And when I look back at 21, 22, my maturity level wasn't even close to where it should be, you know, to handle all the stress that was going on in my life at the time. You know, I did I was dealing with things I never really dealt with. Um, for example, I know I was with a girl for five years since high school, all the way up until I was um uh in the police academy. While I was in the police academy, uh I didn't know this was happening. She was cheating on me with another guy who was her ex-boyfriend, and he was actually just out of jail. He went to jail, he was uh in there for um having a sexual relationship with a minor. He came out, and little did I know, they rekindled behind my back. Now, you guys know the police academy. You're you're kind of like you have no time, you know. So I'm not really I don't really know what's going on outside the police academy. Uh I'm not really focused on that. It takes up all your time. So I don't know what this girl's really doing, you know, everything seemed normal to me. Um, so long story short, I get out of the academy, I'm on FTO. The first day that I'm supposed to be in a cruiser by myself after graduating FTO, I catch this girl cheating on me with the guy in person. I catch her in person. Literally, the night that I'm about to, I catch her during the day. I'm about to go and start my first shift ever by myself in a cruiser that night. So, not really the best start for me. You know what I mean? Uh a lot of stress, you know. I'm I'm I'm handling these emotions that, you know, as a as a kid really, because you're still a kid at that age, like you don't really understand what's going on. You're like you're feeling a lot of emotions that you never really felt before, you know. So long story short, I'm trying to deal with it. I go out there, I'm doing my job, whatever. Now, this girl and this guy, um, I catch them out. She, you know, tells me, Oh, you know, I'm done with him, whatever, trying to still be back with me. Long story short, this guy breaks into my house. At the time I was living with my mother, I was young. I wasn't home. He breaks into my house with my mother with my mother there, okay? Commits a felony, and flees the scene before I can get back to the house. Now cops do a warrant for him the whole night. Little do I know, she's still seeing him behind my back. And they start trying to blackmail me because she she I end up finding out because I call his parole officer. And the parole officer actually wasn't supposed to tell me this, but she did because she kind of felt bad for the situation. She's like, listen, her and this guy, the guy that was on parole, came into the the office not too long ago asking about whether or not he could be around a kid because she's pregnant with his baby. Okay. So I didn't know this. I didn't know she was pregnant, nothing. This is how I found out by her as a parole officer. Because obviously he's a you know, he's a sex offender. Can he be around his own kid if he has a kid? Like that's what they were trying to figure out. So this is how I find out she's pregnant with his baby. They end up going into IA and making a false complaint about me. Okay. Trying to say that I was harassing them, trying to say that I was uh, you know, just just trying to pull them over and uh pull him over and do things like this, which I never did any of this. They had no proof of anything, okay. But the problem was is I'm brand new, I'm on probation, I'm a rookie, I don't know anybody in the department. It's not like my dad worked there or things like that, which you know, a lot of people know that sometimes those those types of guys, if you're connected, you get taken care of, you know. But me, I had nobody. So not that I that that I would want that anyways, I'm not that type of guy, but when you don't don't know anybody, there's really nobody to stand up for you. And uh so in this scenario, I go to IA, um, they're they're interviewing me about all her claims, and you know, I didn't do anything. So, but how do I prove this? I got so lucky, man, and I look back at this and I'm like, thank God for a lot of a lot of things that happened. One of her friends, she tried to get one of her friends to lie and say that I was um you know harassing them, doing all the things that she said. The friend came in to get interviewed and actually stuck up for me and said, Listen, Jay's a good guy. He never did any of this stuff, and I don't want to see him lose his job. And thank God for that girl, man. I don't I don't know where she is now, but if if you ever come across this, thank you. Because you saved my career at that aspect. I fucked it up after, but he saved it, okay, because I could have been fucked right there. So long story short, I get out of that situation. I'm extremely stressed out. Um now I'm I'm dealing with another scenario. I was raised by a single mother. My dad um was living in Michigan my whole life, and uh so my I have a younger sister, okay, and she's about five or six years younger than me. At this time, she falls into drugs, okay. So now I'm dealing with the scenario with my ex. I'm dealing with the PD, obviously, knowing about all this stuff because uh, you know, the IA and this and that, which is not a good look for me. Um, and obviously, yeah, when you're young like that, you're worried, you know, you're like, man, I I just got here. I don't, you know, what the fuck? So you know, you're you're figuring trying to figure all this stuff out. My sister's on drugs, my mother's stressing me out because you know, she's a single mother trying to deal with that too. It was a disaster. So, what happens is this one day I'm working an extra duty road job, okay, construction job, um, directing traffic. Uh, it's around Halloween. I work uh with another cop that was a classmate of mine. I'm exhausted mentally. I'm drained, bro. Drained. And I worked midnights at the time. So this guy asked me, he's like, hey man, you want to go out tonight? Now, you know, you're young, you're 20-something years old, you know, like that was the thing, right? Like, you guys know uh whether you're in the academy, out of the command out of the academy, you get into these little clicks, you know, everybody's kind of going out, and and now you're a cop now, you feel some type of way, whatever everybody's, you know, having fun with each other with each other, going out. Uh, so he asked me to go out. Initially, I say no. I'm like, listen, dude, I'm tired, man. To be honest with you, bro, I'm I'm drained. I'm gonna call out tonight. I'm gonna call out of work and I'm just gonna sleep, man. I need rest. So that's what I do. I go home, I call out, I go home, I'm sleeping. This dude calls me again, wakes me up out of sleep, is like, hey man, you want to go out? I'm like, dude, you know what the fuck? You know what I mean? And now I'm awake and now my mind's going 100 miles an hour, and I just make the stupid decision to go out. And where do I go? I go to the city that I work in that I'm supposed to be at work at. You know, I had to make a dumb decision. Now, I never drank in my life, bro, up until this point. I'm uh, you know, I'm I'm really not a drinker. My dad was an alcoholic, um, just not something that I really like to do. Never got into it. So I go to a bar. Now I used to DJ, so I I was very, you know, I knew everybody down there. I grew up in that area, I knew all the club owners.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

Um, were you like one of those Jersey Shore guys?

SPEAKER_08 28:59

You know, yeah, I was a kind of a Guido back then. Everybody in that area was, you know what I mean? So uh yeah, bro. The Northeast, that's that's that's the era of the Guidos right there, you know what I mean? So uh yeah, man, I used to be a little bit of a laundry. That's what we do, for real, dude. So long story short, I'm at the club. I know the promoters of the club, but I don't know the owner, all right. So the people throwing the party, I knew whatever. The night ends. People were I get drunk, essentially. Okay, people are just giving me drinks. Now I'm not blasted to the point where I'm blacked out, but I'm in the bar after hours because of the people that I knew that ran the the show that night. So I'm still with the cop that I went with, and I say, Hey, listen, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. When I get back, we'll leave. I go into the bathroom now. I'm pissing on the floor of the bathroom, okay? I'm next to the urino, but I'm pissing on the floor. I'm drunk. The whole floor is flooded with piss from the whole night. It's not like I'm the only guy doing it, and yeah, you know, you shouldn't do it at all. And it's not like I did it on purpose, I'm just drunk. Yeah, bouncer comes, bouncer comes in, okay. Now the bouncer sees me, he thinks I'm just some guy. He doesn't know that I know anybody there, that I have a reason to be there, whatever. So he starts really kind of coming at me. And now it starts getting aggressive to where it's like, dude, we're gonna go hands-on at this point because he's being super aggressive. And I'm trying to tell him, like, listen, dude, I'll I'm taking a piss, I'll be out in a minute, bro. Finally, he gets to the point where I say, Listen, dude, like I'm a cop. All right, like I don't I'm trying to just take a piss and be out. When he sees that I'm a cop and I show him my badge, he goes and he gets the cop that's working the front door. There was always a cop that worked these bar jobs, yeah. So this guy was a detective.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

So you were drunk and badged him. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 30:40

I'm not trying, yeah, yeah, of course. I'm not trying to be like, hey, bro, I'm a you know, of course, this is how they portrayed it, but I'm not trying to like big ball the guy. I just knew like that. Was my only out at this point, you know what I mean? Like, is to tell him this. Otherwise, he's gonna fucking he was a big guy, too. He's he probably he was gonna put his hands on me. So he goes to the front door, he gets the detective that's working the front door. Now I knew this guy, but we didn't know each other personally, just like you know, I'm still new on the job, we just knew each other face to face. This guy comes in and starts being a complete dick to me, bro. Okay, and I mean, listen, my personality, the way I've always been my entire life was you know, just I respect everybody, you respect me. I don't let people talk down to me. I don't care if you're you're a higher position than me. And this is why I had a lot of problems in my department because police chiefs uh tend to you know think they can talk to you however they want, and you're still a grown adult, I'm still a man, bro. I'm not a child. You talk to me, you respect, you know, and so he's basically disrespecting me. We have words, and uh, I don't allow him to talk to me that way. And essentially I leave, and that was that was basically what happened.

Termination Suspension And Last Chance Deal

SPEAKER_02 31:44

And so, no hands-on, no nothing, no hands-on, nothing.

SPEAKER_08 31:47

Two hours later at my house, supervisors from my department show up. They show up, they tell me this guy basically throws me under the bus, you know. He calls the supervisors, whatever. Okay, and there was nothing like there's like I said, no, nothing was physical. I didn't damage property, I didn't do anything crazy, it was a verbal altercation. That was it, you know. Now, the the problem here was that I was supposed to be at work. If I was off duty, I probably wouldn't have nothing would have happened. But because I was supposed to be at work, that was the problem. So, long story short, supervisors come, they get my they one supervisor was mad cool, the other one was a complete asshole. Um, but that was his personality, anyways. Uh next day, they leave, they take the whole report, I don't hear nothing. Next day, I have to go back to work. Before I go to work, I stop back at the bar because the same guy was working. And I said, Listen, I'm gonna go there, I'm gonna be a man, I'm gonna apologize and try to square, you know, straighten this out. So I do that. I stop back at the bar, face to face. I tell him, listen, man, like I'm sorry about last night. That's not who I am as a person. You know, I had a bad night, whatever. You know, I hope we can uh you know figure this out. This guy looks at me and says, uh, you know what, dude, too bad. He's like, you know, you could have been a good cop and now you're gonna get fucked. Like basically, this is what he says to me. And I'm just like sitting here, I'm like, all right, I tried to be stand-up dude to this guy, you know, be a man and whatever. This is how he wants to be. Okay. I go back to work, long story short, I end up, they do a warrant for me, my own department. Uh, they do a warrant for me, and it was kind of ridiculous because I can understand, do the warrant, whatever, you know. Um, the problem now is is when this gets out into the media, when a cop gets at his when he's out in the media, you're you're fucked, bro. You're fucked. Okay, because not that I wasn't wrong, you know, I take accountability for for what I've done. Um, but at the end of the day, you know, I've seen people in this in my my department do crazy shit. Shit that would, bro, I don't even you I can talk about it for days, but because they knew somebody, because it didn't get out in the media, nothing ever happens to these people, you know. So long story short, they do a warrant for me, they charge me with disorderly conduct, breach of peace, and interfering with an officer. And you know why they he charged me with interfering? Now, in other states it's it's obstruction, things like that. For us, it's interfering in Connecticut. He charged me that now. My name, you should see, is Jay Bandy, okay, with a B. He said that I lied to him about my name and said that my name was Jay Mandy with an M. And I'm sitting here and I'm like, Are you kidding me, dude? You charged me with interfering for that. I was intoxicated, or maybe I slurred my word, or you didn't hear me properly. But to to to try to try, I don't even the fact that they even wrote uh signed off on that charge is ridiculous, in my opinion, because it's clearly one letter. It's not like I gave you all an entire fake name, you know. It's outrageous, it's outrageous. That charge should not have even been there. Okay. So basically, my face is all over the place. I'm all over the news, everybody has an opinion about me. Um, now I'm going to the board of police commissioners to get terminated. This is the first year I'm on the job, man. And uh I go to the board of police commissioners, I get terminated, you know. Long story short, we uh uh we file grievance, it goes up to the state labor board, uh, we sit down up there, we we uh have an arbitration, and it gets turned into a suspension. So essentially I served a year, almost a year and a half suspension at that point, and um I was unpaid the whole time, whatever, came back to work. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Yeah, a year and a half suspension.

SPEAKER_08 35:37

Oh, it was wild, bro. And then when I came back, I had to I had to sign an agreement, uh, a last chance agreement for another year, which meant that when I came back to work, I had to be on point, bro, because they can fire me for anything, dude.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

Yeah, you know, and I signed it because you were calling and taking reports. That's it.

SPEAKER_08 35:55

Oh, dude, it was well, you know, like listen, I'm for me, I came back and I said, I need to prove myself now. You know, like yes, I need to stay, you know, I need to stay straight, but and I can't get in trouble, but I need to prove myself that this isn't the guy that I am. Okay, now when I come back, the police chiefs are like this one specifically is like, oh, you know, they tell you every you know, they tell you they act like they're they're gonna be give you every opportunity you deserve, and this, that you're you're not you're gonna be treated like every other cop, blah blah blah. It's literally what they say to me. Doesn't happen, of course. My entire career they fucked with me. My entire career, they held this over my head. Okay, it was insane. All right, as well as the fact that I was a guy that, like I said, I don't like if you if you're a chief and you're you're corrupt or you're doing bad things, or I'm watching how you treat people and and I'm watching who you are as a as a as a leader and you're not doing the right things, but then you're coming down on everybody else. I have a problem with that, okay. And I understand that I did something wrong, but at the end of the day, what did I do that the most of society does? I had a bad night. I went out, I got drunk, I called out of work. You know, I didn't hurt people, I didn't intentionally uh, you know, go do bad things, I didn't steal, lie, cheat, you know. Like I and this is what I tell people the way I live my life is this you can be be whoever that you want to be out there, be any type of person you want to be. But my I truly believe that the one thing you should not do is have victims of your life. Okay, so go out there, be whoever you want. You know, yeah, I'm all tatted up. I got face tattoos, you know, like you can judge me if you want, but you know, that doesn't make me a bad person. What makes you a bad person if you're if you're having victims of your life, you're doing bad things to people, okay? So I I come back to work and I essentially it's crazy. I'll tell this story because I told it on my on my podcast. The first motor vehicle stop, this is the first day that I come back to work, I'm in uniform. I pull a car over. And I'm like, all right, I gotta get back into it. I need to I need to get back into the feel, you know what I mean? So like I'm out there, whatever, I see a violation, I pull this guy over.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

Hold hold on, hold on. Before we go that far, yeah, okay, we gotta Sergeant Levine's gotta come out. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 38:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

I will say, you being on probation, you getting drunk and badging, that's problems. Your ass deserve to be fucking slapped down for that, of course. Um, however, given the circumstances, uh you absolutely lived a human moment. You lived your girl's eight nine, you're in the academy. Uh any military guy is going to be able to uh resonate with that a little bit, right, man? So yeah, so you know, you're you're out there overseas and kids with Jody back home. Like that is uh that's a real thing. So in that, um, and who hasn't done that shit? I've I have peed in the wrong places, I can tell you. Um so I get that. You didn't go hands-on, fair enough. Um but you know, you being on probation, you're already walking on HL stuff. So absolutely, and I do agree with the fact like when when we do get slapped down, that is absolutely does make better cops if they choose to learn from it. Um and I so I agree with that. So um we have had some questions and stuff popping through the comments as we've been going. I wanted to let you flow through, but I want to take a break in the story for a second.

Tattoos Image And Being Judged

SPEAKER_02 39:28

Um, the big ones, the tattoos. So you just brought that up. Were those a thing before getting in?

SPEAKER_08 39:33

Or yeah, I mean, well, listen, I was pretty heavily tatted when I got hired. I had sleeves already, I had my chest done. Um, I didn't have my neck, hands, things like that. Um, our department, believe it or not, had no tattoo policy. Okay, which was very rare. Most police departments have them. And there was a lot of cops that had tattoos, you know. I'm probably I was probably the most heavily tattooed cop in that department, and probably of all time in that department.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

I think ever, anywhere.

SPEAKER_08 40:05

Yeah, yeah. So long story short, I started, you know, continuing my tattoos, you know, like end up getting all everything all the way up to my neck, hands, everything. So I was tatted up. Um, as I was stating earlier, these chiefs made my career hell. Okay, no matter what I did. It didn't matter if I went out and got 20 guns that day. They fucking hated me. You know what I mean? Like they all they wanted to do was try to bully me to push me out, but they couldn't push me out because I was good at my job. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I had a bad night, but I was good at my job, so I didn't have complaints against me, I didn't have uh violations, I wasn't, you know, um violating use of force and all this stuff and doing bad things, I was good at my job, and the courts knew that too, based on my cases, you know. So they really couldn't get rid of me. Their only way to was to try to stress me out as much as they can to try to make me resign or push me out, and that's what they do to a lot of people. It's sad, and I and I seen it and I hated it, and that's why I pushed back at them because I was tired of it, and it wasn't necessarily, and we'll get to the tattoo thing because this all goes into that. I fought against these corrupt police chiefs and how they treated people and how they acted and stuff because I would see the best cops, man, getting fucking railroaded, bro, getting treated like shit, hating the job, hating their life when they're coming there doing the right things every single day. And I was tired of it. So I fought a lot against the Chiefs, but a lot of it wasn't just for me, it was for my the the whole department and for the future of that department. Um, so what happens is this they would screw me out of everything, you know. I would get picked for undercover units by every single boss that was running the unit. I would put in for FTO, I would put in for everything, man, and they would deny me, deny me, deny me. Because the how it worked was the Chiefs. The the let's say I put in for the narcotic unit, the head of the narcotic unit interviews everybody, he picks who he wants. He has a list. I was number one on the list every time because that's what I did guns and drugs. That's what I did. You know, I did everything else.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

You do guns and drugs.

SPEAKER_08 42:02

That's what I like to do. I mean, listen, you know, it was I liked it, bro. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

I mean, let's let's let's let's call it what it is. You look for sure. You look like you belong as a mob boss.

SPEAKER_08 42:12

I'm just saying, but you know what's funny is my look actually helped me as a cop in an inner city because think about it. Yeah, when when you have this this military-esque, like like flat top white cop going into an urban area, they fucking hate those guys, man. Right away, those guys, you know. You know how many times like people like I walk into a scenario, it'd be chaotic, and and people would see me and they look at me then and then they just start talking to me about my tats, stuff like this, whatever. You know, like people get drawn to that, okay. If you are a little bit more unique than the normal cop, people are drawn to you. And I've yeah, I found that that is is something that happens especially in in our cities, okay?

SPEAKER_02 42:53

So I run my I run my mouth. Like you don't get you don't get to cut on people for free around me. And that was the way that I earned respect real quick. Because where I grew up in Flint, like you either had to know how to fight or be fast. And I was fast with my mouth and even faster with my feet because I couldn't fight. So I I could talk shit and be gone. That was the thing. And and you're right, it's a cop. Like, I remember uh where I work at now, like going over to um the more east side urban area of where I work. It was in 10 minutes, I I had earned respect with my very first call because somebody tried to like they they called me out. They're like, oh, look at this fucking rookie, dah dah dah, dah. I was like, I know you ain't trying to talk with some 18-year-old shoes. You know, like just hitting them up. Exactly. And I was like, What'd you do? Draw that Nike symbol on there with a marker who you try to do. And you know, right away they're like, oh shit, and they're like, I'll fuck with the V is good. And so just messing with people having having them out. And you're right, having the tattoos, that's gonna stand out. We can again, I wish we had messages. Matt Thornton on the day. If we would have Matt, like you two would probably your stories are very similar as far as I'd love to get on.

SPEAKER_08 44:06

I'd love to get on again with him, man. I think like bouncing off uh with a guy like that would be really yeah, I'll get him.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

Yeah, because you guys, I mean, your your stories of fucking up early in life and then redeeming yourself and then having a great career, um, yeah, very similar. And and I think a lot of people, if they if they wait and they give time for to hear the story, that's the hard part on these formats, is people hear the story, they start hearing it and they don't want to hear it. They're like, no, no, no, no. But if you just stick and listen, guys, just have a human moment and listen to people, um, yeah, I think it's worth sticking around. But um, I want to get to this comment. This was a good comment.

Treason Claims And Civilian Oversight

SPEAKER_02 44:43

He said, What's everyone's position on treason charges when rights are violated, considering an oath is taken to uphold the constitution? Do you think a civilian oversight might correct some of the problems? So, first and foremost, uh, I do hear the treason threat thrown around quite a bit. Treason that doesn't fit. If somebody violates your rights, that's not treason. That's just not what treason is. Treason isn't uh treason's when you're you're going against your government um and and it doesn't fit. Banning, you got something to add on that?

SPEAKER_00 45:14

No, I mean it's just when you get a rights violation, I mean, you it can be it can be civil and criminal. And and if you arrest or if you stop that that peace officer at that time, you're probably not gonna have enough to get a conviction, as we were very early off in this podcast when we started. And we spoke about this on several of the shows. But we have got to be able to get all the evidence necessary to get somebody that's gonna violate somebody's rights, what I call buried under the jail. And if you arrest that person right then, you're not your IA, your investigative division, whoever's gonna carry that that role, they're not gonna be able to have all the evidence they need to present to the district attorney for they need to be able to do this. And then the civil side's gonna get shat on as well. So we want to be able to do a good investigation. Now we have an officer, let's turn that around. You have an officer that's physically doing something to somebody. Yes, you have a duty to intervene. And I have intervened. I think may have intervened in his career. I can't I can't speak onto that, but I have physically intervened. I mean, you're not gonna sit there and violate somebody in front of me, regardless of rank on somebody's sleeve. And though that's looked down upon, and it may I may not get a promotion later on before doing that, but what do we take an oath to? Our buddies at work, yeah, we're we're we're we're there to protect them, but when you violate or cross that gray line and you go into somebody else's and you get physically drawn in and do something, and then if you jump in and do that, they're gonna bury both of y'all under the jail.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

Is your dog snoring?

SPEAKER_08 46:47

This is probably my dog. I got I got two, I got two French bulldogs, bro. It's talk about snoring, man. Uh no, he just jumped up.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

I was like, I recognize that noise. That's a dog snoring.

SPEAKER_08 46:57

Yeah, Frenchies, bro. No, but to touch on what you said, like you're right. When you my whole thing was this I I wanted every officer to know in that off in that department, don't do fucked up shit around me. You know, because if that's the that's the character you give off and that's what people know, then they they're gonna know better. Like if if they're a cop that's working with you, or you're working with them all the time, or whether it's just uh for that shift, that your reputation will get around. That you are a stand-up dude, you know how to do the job, you do it right, you don't need to violate people's rights to do it right. And once you gain that reputation, the majority of the department is gonna know don't fucking do dumb shit around him, bro, because he's not gonna tolerate it. And that's the type of cop that, in my opinion, you should want to be. You shouldn't care whether or not, oh man, I'm not gonna get a promotion now if I do this. Like those type of cops to me are weak. I don't I if you can't I tell people this all the time, okay? And this is why when I push back against the police chiefs and stuff like this, whatever, as a cop, you're our whole job really is to go out and stand up for society. It's to stand up for people who can't do things themselves or need our ability to do it. So if you don't have the balls to stand up for yourself as a human being and do the right thing, then how good are you gonna be as a cop? Because your whole job is to stand up for other people. And if if you don't care to do it for yourself, then how much do you really care to do it for someone you don't know?

SPEAKER_02 48:24

Yeah, yeah, I I agree. And and um and and another thing I like to point out to people is like we can't do it by ourselves either. We need your help. We absolutely do. If we try to do it alone, then it does become very one-sided, and it ends up being not what we need for society. Uh, and and vice versa. If y'all try to do it by yourselves, well then holy shit, look what happened in Chaz. Look at I think they just tried to do it again in Minnesota. Like they they tried to create a uh a free zone, is what they called it, and they they weren't having it this time.

SPEAKER_08 48:59

Like the movie though or the show The Wire when they did that. Yes, ever watched that.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

Yes, oh the wire.

SPEAKER_08 49:09

Yeah, the most accurate copy of the thing.

SPEAKER_02 49:11

Southland and and the wire.

SPEAKER_08 49:13

Yeah, exactly, bro. 100% exact, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Exactly. Southland is so spot on, just the whole dichotomy of how we treat each other and yeah, the way that yeah, very much so. Um and to go back to the treason thing again, like I said, I put it in the text or in the chat, but um, there is there's already a law for what you guys are talking about. If you intentionally violate somebody's rights under the color of law, that is what that is. It's a uh what's it? I think it's called deprivation of rights. That's what it's called. So 100% deprivation of rights is already you're defining a law that exists, it's not treason. So trying to trying to make it something it's not, that just this is not how it works. Treason has its own definition and it doesn't fit.

SPEAKER_08 49:57

But this is listen, this is where we we I this is why we do what we do on social media because look at society, they make comments like this, and listen, we understand why you guys don't really know the law the way we do or the way others might. But this is why we come out here and we do this stuff on social media and try to teach you guys, and a lot of people get mad at us or and still tell us we're wrong and stuff. But at the end of the day, most of society is never taught the law, they're never taught any type of education on policing, how to deal with the police, how you know what happens when you get arrested, all this stuff. And that's a prime example right there.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

Yeah, lawful accent, Brooklyn 99 is also close to accurate. Too funny.

SPEAKER_08 50:41

He's not wrong, he's not wrong, to be honest. It is I tell people, you know what I tell people that that the job really was. It's it's like being back in high school times a thousand. You know what I mean? Yeah, like all the drama within the police department, who's who's having sex with who, who's cheating on who, uh, all this bullshit that's going on, just times a thousand because now you're adults and you have egos now and you have badges, and everybody thinks that they're the best of the best. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 51:06

Yeah. Um, looking at comments, uh, fist fistrial said uh uh police should understand that we have a duty to protect and defend our constitution. Stop breaking laws, guys. 100%. I'm with you. I I don't think you're gonna get anybody to disagree with you up here.

SPEAKER_08 51:22

Of course, yeah. What does he mean by that? Does he mean that we are breaking we're breaking laws and we're violing?

SPEAKER_02 51:27

Personally, but when we see like you know, you see all these cops getting in trouble for flock recently and like you know, big rights violation. Um, so shit like that. So I understand and agree, but um it's gotta fit in in the uh conversation. Um but uh yeah, uh I'm looking at the comments some more. They're they're going crazy right now. So uh most cops uh problem is most cops don't protect our rights, and majority don't know our constitutional given right.

SPEAKER_08 51:59

I I hear that all the time. That's what people say all the time on the comments on social media that we don't know the law. They say that we have no idea what we about the law.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

I it depends on what they mean. Um, do I think do I think what's that, Banning? Sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

We're not attorneys, we're not claiming to be attorneys.

SPEAKER_02 52:15

One that's a great point. Yeah, we we don't know them verbatim. I I don't know, right? I tell people all the time. I was like, look, I I know this guy broke a law. Do I know which law it is? No, I know the elements. I know you took something that didn't belong to you. Okay, we have theft of some sort. What type of theft? Um, he's got three or more credit cards that don't have his name on it, and uh, I know that's a felony, something. Uh, what is that? And then I go look it up. And yeah, exactly. Like I have to find it out. But what gets cops in trouble is they don't even take the time to find out the fucking law.

SPEAKER_08 52:50

Yeah. So well, think about think about this. Like, people want to compare professions all the time, and they bring up doctors, they bring up stuff. I've been to the doctors where a doctor he's prescribing me something and he has to look it up. It's no different, you know. There's millions of prescriptions, there's millions of laws. It's the same situation, you know. We don't, you know, we have we learn what we learn in the police academy. And I tell people, you know, uh people want to compare. I I got this comparison a lot. You know, uh a hairdresser or a barber goes to school longer than a cop does. And I'm like, yeah, but they're not having recurrent training. You know, it's not like you once you get your barber, because I have my barber license and I've gone to both schools, and I'm not going to school every year to do barbering. We're cops every year, we have to have training over and over and over again, numerous

Constitutional Training And Failure To ID

SPEAKER_08 53:36

times.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

But one of the things we suck at is constitutional training. We this is one of the things I point out all the time. We swore an oath to something that we don't even fucking know.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

Ask him the question, Eric.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

Yeah. How, how, Jay, in your in your policing experience, how much constitutional training did you receive after the academy?

SPEAKER_08 53:57

Very little, to be honest. Uh, I mean the academy we learn, we learn it, and then every year we have training, but unless something is changing in the constitution, which never does, obviously, right? Right. They're not reiterating it, you know. So you have to do your own research, you have to know it yourself. And and yeah, I I think a lot of cops get lazy. They don't, you know, once they're on the job, they think they know everything. Yeah. Yeah, things and and don't get me wrong, things are repetitive. So, you know, you kind of you go to you go to work every day. It's like any other job. If you're doing the same calls and this and that, whatever. And that's how the majority of policing is. Like people think that we're coming across the crazy, uh, crazy call all the time.

SPEAKER_02 54:34

Like the unique shift. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 54:35

Yeah, a lot of it's repetitive, you know, domestics, things like this. You're dealing with the same charges all the time. But when it comes to the constitution, you know, you're not really looking that thing over all the time. But, you know, you know, you know the specific ones, you know, the fourth amendment, the first amendment, the second amendment, things like that pretty well. But how often are you really like reading that stuff? Probably not that much.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

That's what I'm saying. And that is more often than not, the two things that get us in trouble the most is ego. That's number one, and then the constitution. Look at all these, uh, you know, like I said, with with uh failure to ID. I got called here, so I have a right to see your ID.

SPEAKER_08 55:14

It's not how that fucking no, you have to have a lawful reason.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

Right, right. It's like that's it. Like that's how we have to start out. And and then it depending on your state, like in Texas, we have you have to be under arrest, or it has to be a lawful traffic stop. That's the only time we're entitled to your ID. That's it. Really?

SPEAKER_08 55:36

So even if, like, for example, if you have reasonable, reasonable suspicion, you can't ask them. You can you have to okay.

SPEAKER_02 55:43

I can always get arrest. You said arrest. Oh, I can't demand it. They don't have to provide it. No, that's a big misconception. People are like, no, they got to provide if you have reasonable articulable suspicion of crime. Not in Texas. In Texas, I need you to be under arrest, or you it's a lawful traffic stop. That's the only time that I can force you to ID.

SPEAKER_09 56:03

Um, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 56:04

And in in in order to get the charge of failure to ID, which is a secondary offense.

SPEAKER_05 56:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

And you see cops fuck this up all the time, even in your stop and ID states, which having RAS, I guess, works in other states. I don't know how personally, I don't know how that works. Um, but I can tell you in Texas, it doesn't work that way.

SPEAKER_00 56:25

But you also have to look at Eric, is is the DAs are also accepting some of these BS things, and these are actually going to court. And then everybody's getting embarrassed when you have the jury up there, you have a judge up there, and you you're not meeting the elements of the offense for A, B, and C. And it's course on that. Why why are we not educating our DAs on this? Why are we not going back and pushing through our legislative updates when we're doing these legislative updates? Okay, now we're gonna look at the Constitution as well.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

Yeah, and and and and there's so many other like pens vs. mems, somebody brought it up in the comments, and that drives me insane because we as cops abuse the shit out of it. And I hate it. I hate that we we take a good tool that had good intention. If nobody's familiar with Pennsylvania v Mems, it's basically a cop saw a gun in a car, pulled them out, um, and then the the court decision was whether or not it was unconstitutional to pull them out of the vehicle. Now, the officer was doing it for a safety reason. However, the court's decision on that was is it unreasonable or reasonable um uh inconvenience of your Fourth Amendment to be pulled out of the car? It had no ruling was made about um officer safety. And that's where the courts fucked up, in my opinion. So we we the the the spirit, we'll put it that way, the spirit of that law was based on officer safety. And and to me, if I'm going to go with the spirit of the law, which I I think we should be doing, I need to have some sort of articulable reason for safety. I can't just use, well, for officer safety, I need you to get out of the vehicle because that that's anything. I could I could make up anything. I need to have some articulable suspicion to pull.

SPEAKER_08 58:11

That's what they're doing, really. That's what they're doing, that's what you see cops doing a lot.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

Is yeah, they're just they're just it's a blanket statement. I can. Pennsylvania v. Mims, Marilyn V. Wilson for passengers. And I'm like, no, you need to have something. It's already a stretch.

SPEAKER_08 58:25

Let me ask you this as a supervisor. We were talking about how case you were talking about how cases get to court and and we get embarrassed there. Yeah.

Why Supervision Makes Or Breaks Policing

SPEAKER_08 58:34

But you're your supervisor, right? So I mean, in a lot of departments, I'm not sure how yours works, but I'm a patrolman, I write a report, supervisor has to read that report, and he has to approve that report.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

Right.

SPEAKER_08 58:45

So, so if you see a report where and I and now obviously you have to review body camera footage too.

SPEAKER_02 58:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 58:52

So if you don't see the probable cause, if you don't see, if you see the cop do something that fucks that whole case up, what are you doing as a supervisor? Because how are what are these other supervisors doing that these cases are getting to court?

SPEAKER_02 59:05

Now you're hitting the fucking nail on the head because the biggest problem with policing today is the supervisor or lack thereof. Fucking supervision. The sergeant is the branch, it is the bridge. It's exactly what I talk about when I'm talking about two cops, one donut being the bridge between us and the community. You want to know the biggest failing part in policing? It's the goddamn sergeants not doing their job supervising because it is not your job to be their friend. Your job is to now review body cam footage at random. Make sure they're doing their job when they think you're not paying attention. You need to read their fucking reports and make sure they have PC. And if you're a supervisor reading it, you need to know what PC is because now we have people promoting up the chain too fast. They didn't even know how to be a cop themselves, and now they're looking at other cops telling them how to be fucking cops. I'm out of breath.

SPEAKER_08 59:56

Yeah, yeah. Don't get me started. Don't get me started with the promotional process. I talk about that all the time. How you know most of society doesn't understand how people rise up these ranks, and they think that when they see people, you know, have a higher rank that they're the best of the best. It doesn't work that way. No, a lot of cops. What I tell people is this there's a lot of cops that come into the department, they see how hectic the job is, they see how scary it is, this and that, whatever. And they might not be built for it, but they also don't want to give up the job, they don't want to give up the benefits of the money. So they sit in their cruisers and they, you know, we call them slugs. I don't know what you guys call call shit cops, but we call them slugs. And uh they'll be a slug for three, three years, five years until they can take that promotional test. And now they take the promotional test, and the way the promotional test works is you just have to be good at test taking. You know, you take that test. If you're number one on that test, it's federal law that they can't pass you up. So what happens? The shittiest cops are rising to the top.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

Yeah, yeah. We saw them doing throughout the entire time. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:04

Oh, yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite things is you've got you've got chiefs and and deputy chiefs and stuff that have never worn a body camera in patrol. And then they're they're judging you based on, you know, because like where for I'll give mine as an example. This didn't happen to me personally, but I've seen it at other departments. But I worked in entertainment district, right? There's people pouring out of bars all over the place. I'm talking thousands in the street. You're walking down the sidewalk. I did a lot of foot patrol. I'm walking down the sidewalk, and then a fight breaks out right next to me. My body cam's not going. I'm not on a call. And then I'm in the middle of trying to break this up, and then I'm like, oh yeah, I got to turn my camera on, get it all broken up. All of a sudden, somebody complains later on they were drunk and they misunderstood what happened, and they're thinking that we did something. Turns out they got blasted by some random citizen that was trying to jump in on the fight that we didn't see. Uh, and they're saying the cops hit them or something like that. And now you've got people up top trying to jump, well, you didn't have your body camera on. You should be, you should know to have that turned on. You got you had a call happen right in front of you. You want me to turn that motherfucker on? Right in the middle of some shit that just happened in front of me? Like, I'm fast, but I ain't that fast. Uh so you know, and now I'm of the I'm of the old school where I went from we didn't have body cams to where we did. So the kids today, uh, kids, the young officers today, that's all they know. And they're really good. They're really good at turning that shit on right away. Like when shit happens right in front of them. I'm I remember like even some of my own guys, I'm like, oh, you probably don't have body cam footage from this one, do you? But we had a few city cameras and a few bar cameras that caught it really well. And like, no, my camera was on. I was like, how the fuck did you turn that on so quick? Like, instincts are like that's just just instinct. They just they've programmed themselves to turn their camera on that quick. I love that. Yeah. Um but yeah, but when we are talking, you know, I want I don't want to leave this supervisor thing right now because it shit. I get I'm very passionate about the supervisor position. Um, and I've told people my job um is is one to make my expectations very clear from the beginning. So if I step in and I'm uh you Jay and Banning are my new two um officers. I have you in the office. I talk to you individually, and I I say, before we get started, you know, I'm Sergeant Levine, here's my expectations. Ba-da-da-da. Go down the line of what my expectations are, depending on the unit I'm in. Um if it's just patrol, you know, you you're gonna you're gonna have your body cams operational every shift all the time. Um if you get into something, I want you to call me to the scene. If you don't have an answer, you're gonna call me to the scene. Um you are not going to handle things uh with a wild ass guess. Um and you're going to uh what's another one? Um my job, and I tell them this, my job is to get you the tools you need to be successful. So you tell me what you need, because that's my job to get it. Now it's got to obviously be realistic. Don't ask me for take-home cars because I can't make that happen. Uh so but really that's it. I get you the tools you need to be successful. If that's a new body cam, my body cam's beat up, Sarge. I need a new one. Okay, I got it. You you'll keep using that one until I get you the new one, but I'm on that. I'll get you a new body camera. Or, you know, your radio's a little messed up, or your your patrol car's been acting wonky. Like, let's take that in, let's get it fixed. If they need a uh email from the Sarge to make that happen, I'll do it. But that's my job. And then uh and then to filter the bullshit coming in from the top. Um, and and hold my guys accountable. My job's to teach. I should always be teaching. Uh even when you fuck up, like it's okay. You fucked up, we're gonna own it. I want you to be honest about it, but we we can deal with this. Is it is it a mistake of the heart or is it a mistake, a malice mistake? Like those are different things.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:59

Yeah. So let me ask you a question as a supervisor, because for me, I never wanted to be a supervisor. Um, maybe because you know, a lot of it was probably because of how my career was and this and that, whatever, and the target I had on my back from the Chiefs and stuff. But I in our in our department, it's like, you know, the second you become a supervisor, you lose that seniority. Now you're at the bottom, and you have to really you're at the mercy of them doing whatever they want with you, basically. You know what I mean? So for me, once I'm in a cushy position and I know, like and I know these guys fuck with me. If I became a supervisor, they were gonna put me in the worst fucking place. They were gonna really ride me. It was gonna suck, you know what I mean? So for me, I never really wanted that. I also didn't want the responsibility of being responsible for all these other fucking cops. You know what I mean? Yeah, because now you're responsible for all these guys, you know, and there's a lot of fuck ups, to be honest. There's a lot, there's a lot of guys that I don't want to be responsible for. They're idiots, you know what I mean? So uh, but when you as a supervisor are dealing with guys higher up than you, like the The lieutenants, the whoever else is you have in your department. And they're riding your ass. And it's something you don't necessarily agree with. How do you handle that?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:09

So a couple things to tackle on that. Um, one, I I I've told I've made it very clear that I my whole goal is to improve policing, to help fix the the fuck ups and stuff like that, but also help facilitate the really good things out there. You know, if I think that we have some really good police practices, I want to get that out there because one officer doing something really awesome. Maybe he's the only one in his little fishbowl that knows about it. And we that's that's no bueno. We need to get that shit out there. Um vice versa, if they're doing some dumb shit. Like I want everybody to learn from those types of mistakes. So I can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution, as I like to say. So for me, that's why I wanted to be a supervisor. I eventually was like, I need to I can't, I can't sit at the officer level and see all these problems and not affect change. I can't affect much change as an officer. I can try, I can, I can deal a little bit, but if I really want to have a better chance of that, I need to step up to the supervisor level. And that's that's what I did. So to address your second part, um I've been very lucky. I've been very lucky. I have not had much shitty top-end experience. Most of the people, even when they have tried to pass down some bullshit, um, I told them, I'm like, I I just I don't morally or ethically agree with what you're saying, and here's why. And to that effect, that's worked. Like it so I I I can't say that that never happens because it has happened even at my own department where somebody's passed down a verdict, if you will, on something, I'm like, that's fucking crazy. But it didn't have anything to do with me. Yeah, I didn't have I didn't have a horse, you know, on that. I didn't there's nothing I could have done. So um, but in my lane, ever since I've been a supervisor, I've been very blessed with very good leadership and and people willing to hear me out. Yeah, and and I think that goes into supervision as well. Sometimes you just you don't know how to talk to people, and you can't you just fucked your guy over because you decided to die on a mountain that you didn't need to die on. If my guy fucks up, he fucks up. I had a guy look up. He was he we he had a new system and uh a new program that he was trying to figure out, and he's like, I don't know what the the per the like what what what will this let me look up and what will it not let me look up? And so he looked up something that he tested and it it let him do it. Well, that flags it. So now I get I get the flag and I'm like, what the fuck did you do? Like you can't you can't do that, dude. And so I bring him in the office. I was like, hey, I love you. I tell me the story behind this. What happened? I just was trying to test the parameters, I wasn't trying to look up anybody that I wasn't supposed to or anything like that. He's like, I just didn't know what it would let me do and wouldn't let me do. And and it was, I think it was something dumb like a past president, something like that. It's not even alive, but he tried it. And uh and it didn't work. I mean, it it tried to work, but it did, but it flagged it, obviously. And so I'm like, dude, you're gonna you're gonna get some days off. I was like, I can tell you that. I was like, this this could actually get you fired, just be ready. I was like, but you were honest, you told me exactly what you did, you didn't try to hide it. I was like, all three of those things are what we want in a cop. I I don't mind an honest mistake, and and an explainable mistake, why you did what you did and who you looked up, it all made sense. Okay, cool. You're just trying to test the parameters of a of this system. You're stupid, you shouldn't have done that. I'll be honest with you. But uh, and we went through it and he did. He got suspended, took his licks, came back, better officer, and he warns other officers don't do dumb shit. This is why. I you know, and then you go through all of it. So just like you said, man. Um that that that's how I make that.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:10

I think like with supervisors, like from my standpoint, too, like you you have obviously different types, right? You have different types of personalities all over that job, but you have supervisors like yourself where you you really want to help, you really want to teach, you don't want to really, you're not trying to hurt anybody at the end of the day, but then there's the guys, and I mean I don't know what your department's like, but then you have some guys that man, it's like you feel like that's all they're out to do is to try to fuck over a street cop. You know, those type of supervisors I feel like are are a big problem within police departments. And um I think that like for me, I'll give you an example. I had a I had a supervisor who was an old school Italian guy, all right. And we knew that he always had our back, but we also knew that if we fucked up, that you know he was going to tell us and he and he yeah, he would help us and stuff, but he's not going to he's not gonna cover up for us and stuff. But at the end of the day, he was a stand-up guy. He he went to bat for us. When he when when the chiefs were trying to fuck with me and do do bad things and stuff like that to me, he went to bat. He would go and literally had get into arguments with these guys. And to me, I I look at somebody like that and I'm like, wow man, that's a stand-up guy. That's a guy that has a backbone. To me, that's a real cop. That's a guy that's willing to do the right thing, you know what I mean? No matter what the scenario is. Like you have a chief and you have a boss that's higher up than you that is coming down and trying to fuck with your officers, and he knows that if you fuck with my officers, it's gonna fuck with me because now you're gonna take good cops out of my area, you're gonna dis disgruntle them, and they're gonna not want to work as hard. It's gonna fuck up what I'm doing out here, and it creates a mess. And you know, he was very good. So, for example, like honestly, he uh when he when he became lieutenant, like that's a guy that you're gonna want to work for, okay? And then when you know you fuck up, you you you feel you feel bad, you know what I mean? Because you don't want to disappoint him. Um that's a guy you're gonna work really hard for. And when he became lieutenant, me and my partner, he brought us into the substation and he sat there and he uh opened a bottle of whiskey. Now in our department, we have uh uh a rule that says like on your lunch break, stuff like that, you can actually have one drink. Yeah, that's how but you want to know why you want to know why they have these rules? Just like I I touched back uh what department I work. I work for New Haven, Connecticut. New Haven, Connecticut.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:40

Um Markfire was asking.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:43

But what happens is is the reason why we have general orders like that is because these police chiefs get into these positions, they don't do anything, they just want to ride out their their chief position so that everything's hunky-dory so that they can retire and go get a good gig without any problems. So they don't make change. They that's why policing, in my opinion, doesn't really change much because the the top is not really doing anything to make change because they're really worried about their retirement, getting a retirement gig, not really ruffling feathers in that department. So, for example, these general orders like how do you not have a tattoo policy? And and to go back to the tattoo thing, yes, I tattooed my face when I was a cop, not this headband, okay? But I did tattoo this. I have the Detroit Tiger symbol on my side over here because uh my dad's from Flint, Michigan. And uh, so yeah, man. But uh, but I got away with it. They tried firing me actually for my tattoos, and I fought them. That the story is crazy. I fought them all the way to the to the end, and it started with five chiefs. We had uh uh an abundance amount of chiefs, and when we got to the end where they actually brought me in front of the police commissioners to fire me, only two of them showed up because these guys don't even like each other at the top, you know what I'm saying? So it it's a mess, but that's why like they those general orders, they're not doing anything, they're they're the same for when the department like was created because these guys are not doing anything at the top or actually making change and actually uh readvising things, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:07

Yeah, um, just looking at the comments. Uh I had put up there one angry goy said, See, you guys aren't even talking about relevant issues like like yourselves, you're purposely skirting the issues. I would like to know what issues we're skirting because the whole point of the format of today's show is Jay. That's the point.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:26

Yeah, what do you want to know, bro?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:28

So um we are talking about Jay and what Jay wants to talk about. Now, you've never been a part of our show, so you may not be familiar with our format. Once we get past about the hour and a half to our mark, then we start bringing in some other stuff. We'll talk about whatever hot topics are going on. We'll bring in uh some hot videos that have gotten a lot of engagement from our platform and then see what our guest has to say about those, which are typically hot topics and issues. However, there's a lot of comments that are going through, and we can't see them all. So if we miss something, well, the best way to get some sort of uh uh eyes on your stuff is you can do a super chat, you can do something like that if it really is something that you need to get across. Um, otherwise, like you're just a part of the group and we get to people's comments as we see them. So it is what it is. This is not a uh boring sit-still chat that only a couple things pop up once in a while if you haven't noticed me. So uh I love that you're passionate. You obviously have a passion for this, but you this is your first impression of us, and you're trying to come to conclusions that you haven't earned. So it is what it is. Uh let's see. Um, Luna Lovers in the house. What's up, Luna? Nina's out there. What's up, Nina? She says, hello, two cops, one donut. Banning Jay. What's going on, Nina? Um, let's see. What's this other one? Mark Fire, he's the one that wanted to know what department you worked at. He said, Do you think police departments could educate the media a little better? A hundred percent. I think um that the police should be putting out more educational things about what's out there. I mean, shit, if we even just talk about flock a little bit, um, that's that's

First Amendment Audits And Edited Clips

SPEAKER_02 1:16:19

a big thing. Uh, what are you giggling about over there, Benny?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:22

I'm reading some people asking, what do we think about First Amendment auditing?

SPEAKER_08 1:16:26

And love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:27

Uh we love it. I love it. For those of you that have that have seen this before, and I think there's a couple of you in here, this may be your first time, and welcome. Uh, as you can see, we don't we don't just uh kick people out, but no, we we have uh some OG First Amendment auditors on here.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:42

I like I like when it's done. I like when it's I like when there's okay, let me preface this. I I think First Amendment auditing exposed a very large gap in police training because we were grossly undertrained on all of that. And when it first really hit the streets with like Long Island audit and some of the, you know, Jeff Bray and uh who's some of it, San Joaquin, uh Valley Transparency, some of these old school guys that were like the first to like I never even heard the term First Amendment auditor. Um exposed that us as cops didn't even understand that people had a right to film in public on a public place. We didn't even understand how to explain what a public place was. Um talk about trespassing. We screwed up trespassing a lot, um, not understanding that. So to me, I I didn't necessarily like there's some First Amendment auditors out there, uh or self-proclaimed First Amendment auditors, I don't care for their style. They're just instigating their out there for some clicks and likes. And okay, their own. My thing is, even though I don't like it, I still my feelings don't trump their rights. They got the right to do it, but I can call you an asshole for the way that you did it. I don't like I don't like it. But I shared a video the other day. They they ambushed a cop getting out of his personal vehicle. Not ambush, but you know, we're filming. And and that cop fucked up. He immediately, I mean, he's in uniform, he's getting out of his vehicle. I maybe it was yeah, it was his personal vehicle. And uh he's all butthurt that they're filming, and he's not doing that, they're not doing anything, they're just talking shit while they're doing it. Yeah, I don't like it. I said right away, but guess what? What the cop was trying to do was wrong. Tried stepping up into his bubble, trying to intimidate him with his looks, and then also telling him he doesn't have a right to do what he was doing when he did, and the cops standing around him all knew it, and they supported they they told him afterwards. I wish they would have done it right then and there. Like, dude, like he's got a right to film you, there's nothing we can do. So what do you say, John?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:48

Oh, yeah, I love this topic because what I'm seeing going on in social media is it could be great, it could be very bad for policing. It depends on what's happening, okay? So, my experience and what I'm seeing here is this yes, you have the First Amendment orders, and you know, if they're doing it for the right reasons and they're, you know, being somewhat professional and things of that nature, I'm all for it. All right, like I like you said, you know, we have to respect at the end of the day, we're all human beings, we all have the same rights. It doesn't matter if you're a cop or not, okay? So you have to respect those rights, and that's why I I get what these guys are out here doing. Now, on the other end, social media, this is a way different era of policing, okay? Generations, yeah, the generations are changing. Social media is a massive aspect to every area of life and profession. Now, what I'm seeing on social media is a big problem. And what I mean by this is you have people who obviously they they love clout, they love they know that this is gonna get them attention, they know it's gonna get them clicks, views, it's going to possibly make them money. Um, and I even see some attorneys doing stuff like this where they're creating pages and it's specifically like cop bashing pages or cop hating pages, which is fine. You have the right to do that. But what they're doing is they're skewing the minds of people. Okay, they are editing these videos, they aren't showing the full interaction, they they're they're and then they're sitting there telling people, oh, this cop is wrong. But the reality is they might not be wrong because we don't see the entire uh uh interaction. Um, some of the times they're they're the cop really isn't wrong at all, but unless you are educated on the law, you don't know that. So now what's happening is you're getting people that are watching these videos and they're going out into society, they're having an interaction with a cop, and now they're they think that what they they watched is the truth.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:41

Yeah, they get themselves in trouble.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:43

They get themselves in trouble, okay? And and that's scary for society. That's why that's why we come on here and on my page, I try to show people like, don't believe everything you hear, okay? Or that why I do certain reaction videos to tell them, like, hey, this cop is actually right, he's not wrong in what he's doing. You might not agree with how he acted or something, but legally he's not wrong. And you guys need to know that because if you're watching videos that are skewing your mind, you're gonna go out there and get pulled over, and now you're gonna be like, and I see this all the time. Uh a cop asks for an ID. I don't need to give you my ID. You know what I mean? Like, or I don't, I don't need to do this, I don't need to do that. Like, and you do, like you don't understand, you do. As long as he has it's a lawful stop, he's he what he explained it, whatever, whatever. You do, okay? And and I think that this is gonna be a big problem for the future. And my thing, my opinion is this I think that eventually there's going to be a situation where they create legislation and stuff like this for social media. Because what they're gonna start to see is this. Yes, there's there's there's people who get into altercations with cops and they film and whatever, but then there's people that are purposely looking for those. They're looking to rage bait cops, stuff like this. So eventually what I think is gonna happen, I think courts are gonna start, you know, if cops start locking people up for this, you know, like obviously, you know, there there's certain stipulations where let's say somebody's rage baiting a cop and it gets way too crazy. Now you could get them on disorderly or whatever, or you know what I mean? Now I'm not saying that's something you need to do or you should do, should do, you should have thick skin as a cop and just whatever. But, you know, obviously not every cop acts that way. Now the courts are gonna start getting flooded with cases like this. And I think what they're gonna start doing is they're gonna start looking at people's social medias and they're gonna say, hey, is this a pattern? Are you doing this intentionally, or is this just an isolated incident? And if you're building a whole platform on rage-bating cops and just going around harassing and threatening cops, I don't think the courts are gonna allow that forever. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:39

I think I I got I got a different take. So tell me if this changes your perspective at all. We live in a country that is so free that we can keep our government in check through little tests like these, where First Amendment auditors go out and have the ability to fuck with their police department without fear of retaliation. I think that that's a beautiful thing when you look at what other countries have to face where they're going to jail for social media posts or for one of the videos I posted was a dude talked shit about another football team, soccer team, and they put it, they put him in cuffs because he was like it right, it was crazy, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:21

Yeah, that's stupid.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:22

I look at that, and and let's be honest, there's been a couple of rests that have made the media already of social media posts. There was one in Texas, my state, where a lady said something about the water company. I think that's what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:36

Yeah, I saw that. I saw that.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:37

Yeah, she said something about the water company, and we got HBO Matt and uh auto the watchdog going down there, um, auditors, and they got arrested for some bullshit. It was legit bullshit. And I saw it. I'm just like, this is this is why people need to be allowed to do this stuff because we gotta keep our government in check. As much as I love being a cop, I agree, I'm still part of that system, and I have to be honest, historically speaking, the more power we give up, the more power uh the people don't get back. So by taking that away, it it may be shitty, it may cause some strife in policing, but I rather the people have to uh have that, the and the cops have to deal with some strife versus the other way around.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:23

No, I agree, I agree. Listen, when I when I make these statements, people need to understand where my personality comes from. I'm very anti-government, to be honest. I don't support either side of politics, I don't trust anybody that's up at that top level. Um, so when I make a uh statement like I just did, it's it's to somewhat warn society because I don't trust that the court systems and the people at the top aren't gonna try to uh you know suppress suppress the citizens in that aspect. But I also at the same time don't agree with the citizens that are doing it for the wrong reasons. You know what I mean? That's that's where I come from. Is I just want everybody to be moral and do things for the right reasons. So if you are out here and you are an auditor and you believe in the First Amendment, right, then you know do it professionally and doing it in the right way. But these guys that are going out and they're like walking up to cops that like are just minding their business and putting a phone in their face and saying, fuck you, fuck your mother, like all this stuff. That's just ridiculous. Because let's be real, you don't want the cop talking to you that way. So let's not do it to him either. You're just gonna create a massive problem for for both people. So those are the things I don't agree with.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:34

Yeah. Um I I'm almost okay. So uh first and foremost, I do want to say thank you to uh East Carbon Exposed. He said subbed, appreciate that, brother. Um, I like when we get new followers. I'll always give you guys a shout-out for doing that. Um uh one angry boy, I I will say this like this guy be he's angry, he's definitely angry. Yeah, um be careful. I'm all for talking, calling us names and stuff like that, but you're bordering on slander now. Um, unless you've got something to substantiate that I am lying, uh I'm not gonna tolerate it very long, dude. Um, I'm very, very pro saying stuff on here. As you can see, you've been able to talk your stuff all this time. But don't call me a liar unless you've got something to back that up with, to put behind it. Uh that's gonna be your last warning on something like that. So uh you've been warned. I'm all for it. Now, if you want to tell me something I might be lying about, let's discuss it. But if you can't use your big boy words, then you don't get to talk at the adult table.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:42

You'll get put a camera, get a camera and a microphone and join us here next week.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:47

That's another thing you can do. Go ahead. Put your money where your mouth is. Come on the live and tell us what we're uh uh if you're able to not stay so angry. I don't mind if you're angry, but you don't get to talk angry on here. So you need to um learn to be an adult. Uh so there you go. Uh as eye of the night said, bring the proof. So if it's so easy to prove, sir, we're waiting. We're waiting. Um, tell us what we're lying about. Or are you just one of those guys that just can't control your emotions and you have to have these big loud outbursts to get your attention fixed, which is what you're getting right now, and I'm giving it to you. So you've got your moment here. What are we lying about? There's no number, you're not calling in. This ain't Izzo's show. I'm not gonna copy it from it. This ain't cop talk live. Shout out to Dominic Izzo, one of our boys. Uh, and again, we're not going to agree on everything, we don't have to agree on everything. Um, there's not enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:51

Ryan said, I'm not sure if Eric's shirt is legal.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:56

Uh Ryan. Uh Oh, my my intentions are lying. I don't I don't know that you can say that my intentions are lying. You might be speculating that they're not genuine. That's one thing. Uh and Eric just gave the perfect example of emotional intelligence and ethics. Probably appreciate it, brother. Um Eye of the Night is Steve Vladner re rebranded? No, he ain't at Steve. Don't give him that elevated platform. Steve's a legend. Um, so this is part, this is what's part of the good part of our show, Jay. I think we really it's very community-based. It's very we we really rely on the comments. So if you have something to say and you really got a message you want to ask and talk about, we're here for it. I'm giving Angry Goy his chance, and he is doing what most of these trolls try to do. Once you really bring it down to the base roots of it, they don't have anything. So, like Travis John right now, fuck bad cops. Agreed. Agreed. We don't like bad cops. Um, but again, your intentions. How can you speak about my intentions? You that doesn't make any sense. That's not even that's not even an argument. Your intentions are lies. Like you don't even know who we are. Like, this is your first time. You don't even know us. How is that possible? How can you train my? I mean, Jesus, that's like me calling saying Jay's. I we're meeting Jay for the first time tonight.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:31

You know what's funny about like people like this? When I'm on, you know, I just started my my podcasting page a few months back, and you know, I've been out of policing for about four years now. But dealing with all these people on social media, it makes you feel like you're back in policing and how exhausting it gets when you're mentally drained going back and forth with people. You know?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:54

I I look at it too, you know, I've been doing this so long, like it I I don't I don't get upset. It does, it doesn't bother me. I just it it's it's just part of it. And then sometimes you have to you have to let them have the attention they're trying to get to show everybody else that they're full of shit. So gave him his try. He didn't want it. He he wanted to talk a lot, but he didn't want to be up there and have anything to say. So um, like fist reel. I I think we actually got in not got into it with fist reel when he first started chiming in, but once he showed that we're we're not shying away from things and we're we really want to have the conversations and we'll talk about this stuff. Uh we do. He said, I have no problem with police, but you guys must admit there is some work to do. Fuck yes, that's why we started the show. There's tons of work to do. Ego is a huge problem. I put on an ego class on our live because cop ego is out of fucking control. You want to see an officer get himself in trouble. You show me any video of a cop getting in trouble, and the first symptom I will show you is their ego. Every fucking time. So shout out to um Harrison. I think that's who it was. Harrison dropping 20, 20 memberships. Look at you, Harrison. You you unselfish son of a bitch, Harrison. Thank you very much, brother. Harrison has been such a supporter of the show for such a long time. This is what I mean when I talk about we have a very long history of a good community. Um, that's why I don't need to say anything in the chat most of the time. My community does because a lot of them were in the same boat, like one angry boy. They just they're upset, they have a problem with the system, and they want a place to vent it. And angry, I would tell you, how many places are you gonna find a current active cop willing to sit down and have these conversations? Yeah, you're not gonna see this shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:53

Let me ask you about that because you know, I'm not sure what your department's like, but a lot of departments they don't allow guys like you to do this stuff. I mean, at least back when I was a cop, they had rules against like social media, like what you can and can't say. A lot of times I talk to people and I tell people, I'm like, listen, when you're a guy like me that had a target on your back, and you know, the media's painting a picture of you, the the chiefs are painting a picture of you, but you're you're pretty much gagged. You can't go out there and tell and like and like you know, defend yourself and say, hey, this isn't really true. This isn't true. Like, you know, you can't go on social media and talk about it. How does that work with you guys?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:28

Um, so we have a general orders pop uh on that. Um, when I first started, I I actually went to my department and was like, hey, here's my idea. This is what I want to do. The chief's like, I know your heart, you'll be fine. I said, Okay, cool. Um, I didn't do any live stuff for a long time, probably a year and a half at least, right, Vanny? I I it took a long time for me to get the balls to do a live, just because I was worried about what I might say on accident, what a guest might say. Yeah, so a lot of that stuff. Um, and I do want to, JD88. Um, I I want to get to your comment real quick because you hit the nail on the head. The biggest reason cops need jujitsu, ego gets beaten out of them. Yeah, there's nothing more humbling than the mats. For those that don't know, I've done jujitsu since 06. Uh, I am a lifelong purple belt because I don't stay consistent enough to belt up anymore. Uh, it's just I got a busy life. It is what it is. I will go a roll um when anybody asks. Uh, you might beat the brakes off me. That's fine. Uh, but you'll learn real quick. I'm not a pushover. Um, but jujitsu definitely will humble cops and stuff a lot of ego. I'm 100% behind what he says. So uh Ryan, Eric loves the TikTok dancing cop channels. Shut you. Don't get me started with that. Uh

Social Media Cops Clout And Credibility

SPEAKER_02 1:33:48

yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:48

Let me tell you the the what I had the the the maybe week-long saga I had with that TikTok crying guy, the cop that was crying in his cruiser, the one I sent you.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:58

For everybody wondering where he got it sent from, it was me.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:01

Well, that was the funny thing is people think that you know, all his followers came at me. And for those who don't know, this was a this was a guy who he's got a million followers. He's a cop somewhere in like uh, you know, Alabama or something, I think. He's an SRO.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:14

Agency of 10.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:16

Yeah, you know, he was an SRO. He's and he's in his cruiser, and he you know, posts a video of him crying in his cruiser, like all dramatic with like dramatic music behind it, all edited up. And you know, it's he's crying because the kids that he uh you know watches in the school are graduating. And it's like, listen, this happens every year, you know, like and I get it. You you know, I got destroyed. Like I and I don't care. I went back at everybody as to why I I made this video because we're talking about policing, we're not talking about whether or not a man can have emotions. Yes, a man can have emotions, okay? But when you are on the job, you you need to control all those emotions. And in my opinion, like I said, I go, if I was the dad, if I was a dad and I was that my kid went to that school, I'd be a little worried on whether or not this guy is gonna have the balls. Like what if there's a school shooter? Is he gonna go cry in the corner or is he gonna engage the shooter? You know, these are things that you think about when when you're looking at a cop, you know? So when I see a cop crying in his cruiser, that's I the other aspect was is whether it's genuine or not. Because when you my opinion is it's a natural emotion that just comes out in the moment. When you have to sit up, set up your camera and this and that, that's a big problem. Okay, to me, that's not genuine to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:28

I know. Yeah, that's exactly what I said to you when I said I was like, bro, he had the time to set his camera up, get his emotions going. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:36

And then, you know, come to find out, you know, like a lot of his followers, they don't even really know the guy. And if they do, they just know him from high by when they pick their school kids up. But then, man, like the people that were messaging me, like, and I didn't put too much out there, I could have put more out there because you know, he made a reaction video of my video and like, you know, all dramatic. But listen, this guy got a million followers, he's making a lot of money doing this stuff, yeah, and and that's what people don't get, you know. So the people that were messaging me that actually worked with him, knew him growing up and stuff, say a lot of different things about this guy, yeah, you know what I mean? That he's not really who he portrays himself on, and that's the big problem I see on social media. And I told people all the time, like these cops, you know, some of these cops that are sitting in their cruiser on TikTok and they're on TikTok live while they're on duty. Unreal. How are you getting away with this stuff?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:21

I don't I don't get that either. You're on the taxpayer's dime and you're on TikTok live, yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:26

Yeah, and if you're monetized, yeah, you're double dipping.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's insane. That that is no bueno. You shouldn't be no, no fucking way. Um, I'm looking through the comments. Uh Angry Goy said, let's talk about corpus delecti. Um, what about it? What would you like to talk about? That um we can do that. Um I think that corpus delecti, is that the body of the crime? Yeah, body of the crime, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:53

Look at me remembering my fucking uh I think he's referring, and I've it's something about driving laws. I think he's he's he's got an issue. I wish he would take a second and just kind of list it out there, and I would be glad to try to answer him the best that I can about. I think he has a problem with an officer stopping somebody for speed, who is the victim, somebody using a turn signal who was the victim. And but I would like to hear him kind of draw it out. I know he's written it a couple times, but these comments are going so much.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:22

Yeah, I'm trying to keep up. I'm just uh I just saw that one. Um, East Carbon Exposed said question, what are you teaching officers now? Uh what or what not to do? I'm teaching them all sorts of stuff of what to do and what not to do. I need you to be a little more specific on that. Um, Troglodike got pastel belt by the shirt. Uh thank you very much. Um, eye of the night said, you realize there's delays between the streams and your posts. There are four chat streams. Yeah. Yeah, there's four chat streams just on restream, and then I've got TikTok and I've got Instagram. So uh yeah, there's a lot going on, man. Um so yeah, if you want to put something about Corpus Delecti uh specifically, let us know. Um, my mods, if you see it, let me know. Um,

Pretext Stops Crime Data And Trust

SPEAKER_02 1:38:10

can you discuss pretextual stops? Um, pretextual stops for those wondering is um I'm set up on, let's say I'm watching a dope house, and uh they leave a dope house and I'm like, all right, I just gotta wait for them to commit some sort of traffic violation, uh like no turn signal 100 feet prior, and then I go pull them over, that's a pretextual stop in Texas. I'm right on that, right, man?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:33

You are. And if you and if you have an articulation, and better yet, if you've got it on camera, I used to run my dash cam in conjunction with my body camera all the time, and I'd be speaking of what I'm seeing. Um, I'd reach up there and and move that camera as well, especially if we're doing an investigation on a house uh that may be affecting the neighborhood of the community. And you know, pretextual stops are allowed.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:53

So that that's that's uh that's what they're talking about with uh pretextual stops. Um I think if pretextual stops are being done, they have to be done based on some sort of intellectual uh backup for criminal um analytics. And what do I mean by that? That's a big mouthful of hey, here's a dope house in the neighborhood. We've had four shootings around this house um in the past month. Uh, what are the cops doing about it? Oh, well, this is what we're doing now is we're we're watching these known dope houses. We're watching a person stop for five minutes and then leave, and then we're pulling those vehicles over and we're conducting stops and investigations. And that's typically how those go down. But what does become a problem is when somebody's just like, oh, uh, here's a car leaving. I don't like the looks of this car over here at the 7-Eleven. I'm gonna wait for it to leave and follow it for 20 blocks while I'm waiting for a traffic offense, and then I finally get it. Like, that's based on nothing. That's based on, oh, they just happen to be riding around in a little, you know, they had a felony forest in there on their uh rear view mirror, and you use that for your stop. Like, that's that's that's kind of what we're getting into. You got anything to add on that, Jay?

SPEAKER_08 1:40:07

Um, I mean, listen, like, yeah, I think that as a cop, you you should always want to protect your job, number one. So, and and you should want to show that you're you're not a dirty cop. So you should always want to have a valid reason as to why you're stopping someone, all right? And listen, when you're working in a city, if it's a violent city, it's a drug city, stuff like this, yes, you have to find these reasons to find the other crimes. That's just part of the job. So I understand where people come from in that aspect where they don't like it. But but I also think the society needs to understand that this is also how a lot of bad people get off the street that could possibly hurt your family and rob you and and do bad things to you. So, yes, there's there's fine lines between some of this stuff, but at the same time, too, this is how murderers are getting off the street. Like, for example, you know, let's say you stop a car for for you know, a motor vehicle stop or whatever, and then you end up finding a gun in there that was linked to, you know, two or three murders, or you end up finding uh out that the guy has a warrant for murders or robberies or a string of them, you know. Now you just saved a lot of problems for a lot of future people, you know. So there's fine lines, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:19

Yeah, I I think anytime it's based in like some sort of intelligence, you know, using um crime data, I think that's a big benefit. And I think that's how you build trust and transparency with your communities as well. Hey, we saw that this is a problem. You guys complained about it at the last town hall meeting, so we went and this is what we did. And then you get you wait for feedback. Nah, we didn't like that. Like you guys were you used a fishnet approach instead of a harpoon approach where I felt like you guys are just pulling anybody and everybody over. Next time, if you guys do that again, we want you to do a little bit more intelligent style um stops. I want you to have more than just you're throwing a fishnet out there, and I get that, and I think that's fair. Um, so one angry boy, this is how you communicate on our platform. Thank you. This is what I'm talking about, brother. We can absolutely work with this.

Victimless Crimes Traffic And DUI Prevention

SPEAKER_02 1:42:08

Um, no, he says, no victim, no crime, guys. Think like speeding doesn't create victim. The state turns into the only victim, and yet that is your bread and butter. I am with you a hundred percent. I don't like fucking traffic. I don't like it. Uh I I am not here to make money for the state. I don't like the revenue. I'm not a traffic cop, and my traffic cops they bust my balls all the time. Like, why are you so rough on us? Because I'm out there doing real police work. That's why.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:38

Uh I wasn't in my over 20 years that I did law enforcement before I get out. The only thing that really, really bugged me was the school zone. When you have active crosswalks in the school zone, and our next generation is just trying to get to school safely, and you have some jackass that's running 75 and a 20 and mows down a couple kids. So I'm gonna ask him that same question. Who's my victim now? Right. Okay, we have those kids in that crosswalk. I'm right there with what Eric said. I wasn't out there all day long. That's not that's that's not what my uh outlook is on on police work. Is it a part of it? Yes, in certain situations. You know, I wasn't the guy that was on a motorcycle, which not knocking those at all, that sat behind a bridge with a with a LIDAR laser, and they're doing it. There, there's a there's a time and a place for that. My whole thing was the speeding in the school zone, our next generation getting there safe, or even a residential neighborhood. Kids are trying to play. I remember back in the 80s and 90s when I was out there playing, you know, parents would be the cops. They go out there and throw a newspaper at the car, hauling ass by because the police were too busy doing other things to come out there and just sit there with a radar and and monitor that. I get what you're saying. There's also a type of place for it. Um, I like this.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:55

Yeah, I think uh I you know, you know, I'll tell you this one. I had a guy, if you just saw Tony Romo got locked up for the DY.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:03

So I I posted a video on that, and I had one of my one of my followers say to me the same thing. No, you know, he he his I his view was Tony Romo should be able to drive drunk. He didn't hit anybody, he shouldn't be able to, he shouldn't get arrested. And I was like, well, there is also something called preventative policing. Okay, and what that means is you uh you hopefully stop somebody from doing this again that is going to kill somebody or create a bigger problem. And that's that's what some of this stuff is for. Now, with that being said, you know, like I said earlier, that wasn't the type of policing I really liked doing. Um, I also didn't believe in really ticketing people. You know, you'd have to be doing something extremely reckless for me to want to give you a ticket because I don't believe in taking money out of people's pockets. I hated that. I hated that. I just don't believe in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:52

Yep. Um, and to your point, uh what was one angry goy, I keep forgetting his damn name. Um, on the

Sovereign Claims And The Right To Travel

SPEAKER_02 1:45:00

the no driver's license required. Oh Lord, please tell me you're a sovereign citizen. Please tell me because I absolutely love dealing with this one. Um because I'm sorry, if you're on a motor vehicle on a public roadway that is provided by the state and taxes, then absolutely you are required to have a driver's license, insurance, and registration all up to date. Um, if you're going to use that roadway and try to say that you have the right to travel, you do have the right to travel on your happy feet, but not in a motor vehicle on a public roadway. That requires a driver's license. There's no ifs, ands, buts about it, no legal theory that you're going to be able to dispute that changes that. There are so many videos that I have posted on here of judge uh after judge laughing or getting pissed off beyond repair with these arguments these days because it's not true. It's a money-making scheme that's going around the internet here and there. It ebbs and flows where people get convinced via their Google theory, legal theory searches that they don't need a license. And you do need a license, no matter what argument you bring up, you need a license. So you can try, but guess what? Your argument's not with me. You got to go do it in court. And any person, and I will tell you this right now, any person that claims that they won based on those legal theories is lying. They won based on their stop being no PC'd, has nothing to do with the right to travel, or the officer didn't show up to court. That's it. They they may have paperwork that said this was the arguments they were going to make, but they didn't win based on that. The case was no PC'd. The judge said, ah, we didn't have the PC for this case. Or, or the the most recent one that somebody tried to show me, you just see the judge sigh, shake his head, and goes case. He didn't even want to fucking deal with it. So that is that that's what you're hanging your hat on. Nobody has ever won by saying that they were traveling. And uh, you know how I know that? Because when you put your car out of park and it goes past reverse and it hits that D, that doesn't stand for travel, it stands for drive because that's what you're doing. You're driving a motor vehicle on a public roadway, and you need a license and insurance and registration. Anybody got anything to argue with that?

SPEAKER_08 1:47:16

Well, no, I mean, look, you're you're seeing like we're seeing lately all a lot of you know the people coming into this country that are getting these jobs with the CDLs and they're killing people. And listen, this is why you have a driver's license, so that we know that you understand the the laws of how you're supposed to drive, so you don't hurt people. It's just it's basically that's that's the only reason, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:37

Yeah, yeah. Lawful said, you don't need a license to travel, so go ahead and ride on a bus. Uh Angry Goy said, Fuck court. This country was built on court. It or it wasn't built on court, it was built on blood. People that talk like that are usually the last people to ever get in any sort of violent encounter. Um, but it is what it is. Talk tough on the internet. Um, that's why we have court. The court is so we don't have to fight anymore. That's why we are a nation of laws. You fight in court. That's what you do. Um, okay. We are at, we're we're almost to our two-hour

Reaction Segment Starts With Videos

SPEAKER_02 1:48:16

mark. So I want to I want to go over to our let's let's look at some happening videos that are really getting people hyped up and riled up. Um so I am going to share the screen. All right, we are on our YouTube channel here. Um let me see. What's the best view to do? Let's try that view for now. Okay. Um, the first one up is gonna be our Tesla car.

Tesla Autopilot Speeding Stop Reality

SPEAKER_02 1:48:46

Um, guys driving on autopilot and gets pulled over. So I'm gonna bring this up. Make sure we're not muted here. We are muted. Where is the volume? Oh, it's up top. There we go. All right, here we go. Using Tesla's autopilot feature.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:05

Hi. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:07

A little fast.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:08

I I was I wasn't driving, does assess driving autopilot? You're in charge, though. So I need to see your dumbers license. I'm in charge, but I wasn't driving. So you're in the driver's seat. You can you can you can blame the company won't. How can we just put this? Do you remember the numbers license? I need to see your numbers less. I need to see your numbers. Yes, I can give you the first number. The first thing I need to see is the number.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:01

Oh right. Um, so I know. Now I think it's a chintzy uh ticket to begin with. 20 over on a freeway.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:12

In a Tesla of all things. So the dog. Yeah. Cracks me up. Um, that's why that's why as you said, it's a Boston Terrier.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:26

Nah, French French Bulldog.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:27

French Bulldog, yeah, yeah, yeah. All those two. Those they're hilarious. They always look like they're smiling.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:34

Um little people.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:35

Yeah. But uh, so I'll admit up front, bullshit ticket. It is a bullshit ticket, but at the same time, it's a bullshit argument, and he knew that because we actually look this up. Tesla actually tells you when you get the car with the autopilot feature that you are ultimately responsible and that you can't use that argument. This is uh uh it's and it's assistant. It's that's what it is. It's no different than a pilot being responsible for their airplane. If you got an autopilot and that thing veers off or does anything crazy, it's on the pilot. They're the ones that get in trouble for that. So, what are your thoughts on this whole autopilot argument?

SPEAKER_08 1:51:17

Oh, dude, I mean this is just, in my opinion, society not understanding laws or their own vehicles. You know what I mean? Like the way I look at things is this if you don't want to deal with the cops and you don't want to deal with situations like this, then be educated. And if you don't even know how to properly use your own vehicle, that's gonna be a problem, and you're probably gonna have problems for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:43

Yeah. Uh Lawful said English Bulldog, and that noise comes from the other end.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:49

Oh, yeah, he's right about that, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:51

Too funny. Um, yeah. Uh, what marine blood say? Uh, one angry goy, please calm down. We have moved on from that topic. Yeah, yeah, bro. You we're done with that one. We gave you a shot. I mean, agree to disagree. I mean, that's we don't have to agree on everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:09

Um, no victims on it, we're not gonna talk about it anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:12

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Um, all right. So things to consider though for the future on this. There's going to, it's going to come around where autopilot is it like I mean, look at the Waymo cars, right? That's how you pronounce it, right? Waymo.

unknown 1:52:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:27

I bet have you seen those, Jay?

SPEAKER_08 1:52:30

Yeah, what is it? Like, no, there's no driver. Yeah, there's no driver.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:33

You're huge in Arizona. I think that's where they started. And I won't get in one. I'm not.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:40

No, I would never. I would never. I don't trust any of that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:43

Nope. You ain't look, you ain't sky netting me. When that shit takes over, I'm not being stuck in the coffin.

SPEAKER_09 1:52:49

Hell no. Hell no.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:51

Yeah. So um, but there's going to become a point where Tesla probably themselves is gonna be like, yeah, our shit's good enough now. It can drive you and and and it can do it on its own. So I'm curious when we get to that point.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:04

Yeah, well, I mean, it's like uh the way I am is anything that's brand new, I don't really want, or I don't really want to like mess with because typically there's problems that they haven't figured out yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:15

Yeah, yeah. I don't want to be, yeah. Um, Nunya O'Brien brings up a good point. When the people are educated, they're mopped, and I've seen that, and this is where it goes in the cop ego. Where'd you get your degree, Google? Where are you you what you a you a social media lawyer all of a sudden? Like people can't get educated.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:33

And I hate he's he's not wrong about that. And that and then that touches on the cop's personality again, you know what I mean? It's it's it's so it listen, we want you guys to be educated, that's why we're we're telling you guys this stuff. And you know, if a cop acts like that, then you're you're understanding his personality and what type of cop he is, it's as simple as that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:52

Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. And and I agree. I like I uh what was the name again? Something O'Brien, uh Nunya O'Brien, yes, you bring up a really good point, and that is, I mean, shit. I've seen Long Island get that probably more than anybody. Long Island audit when he does his audits and stuff, and we're like, Oh, did you Google that law or whatever? And I'm just like, he's right, you fucking like this he's a pro, by the way, and he's right. Like you're over here, and that again that goes into training and education on cops. So uh oh, Marine Blood, you're timed out for five minutes. Uh Marine Blood put somebody in timeout, he never put people in timeout. Holy shit, you must have really screwed up if Marine Blood put you in timeout, because he is an actual Marine. So uh my mom said, I don't like other people driving while I'm in the vehicle, let alone autopilot. My mom hates riding with me. She's like, You drive like a cop. I've drove that way.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:49

There you go. That's what it's funny you say that because I tell people, like, you know, if I meet a if I'm meet a nude girl or whatever, or a new person that never drove with me, I'm like, you have to understand this is how I drove for many years of my life every day, you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:02

Yeah. Um uh I trust cop with 200 hours of YouTube university from active LEOs over what the academy shovels out. I that's a good point. That's a good point. We get a lot of people that say Banning and I should go across the country training, and I'm always like, I'm not against it. Let me know. Oh, we got we got a goat in the house, one of the greatest HBO Matt. He said we still get cops screwing up 3802 in Texas, and he's not wrong. Um, we've had HBO Matt on the show, he's out there doing good things, um trying to get uh Second Amendment rights back in town hall meetings and all that stuff. Uh he's done great work. So um let's let's go to another video, sir. I think we've beat that dead horse. All right, we're gonna share the screen here. Um, I kind of want to go.

Security Guard Authority Detention Limits

SPEAKER_02 1:55:55

I want to go to the security guard. I can't I can't help. I want to go to the security guard. Can a security guard detain you or uh let me does that let me let me hit your way it is?

SPEAKER_07 1:56:08

Can I call the police? I'm gonna call the police. You inside of my vehicle because I gave you a lawful order. I'm not on for the property yet. This is our property, and I said I'll exit. What is that? I'm recording.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:17

Okay, you can see his shirt. It's uh uh you guys may have a harder time, but it says Officer River Hills Security, SC, South Carolina. So that's already weird to me that it's some sort of security policing thing, but I'm gonna keep playing.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:38

So you're saying you're not letting me leave the property.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:39

No, I'm not saying that you can't leave the car. I'm saying I give you a lawful order to go ahead and step out of the vehicle.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:43

And I told you that I'll exit the property.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:46

He said, I'm not telling you you can't leave, but I'm telling you to get out of the car.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:51

Yeah, how can I leave if I'm in the car?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:53

You can't leave if you're telling me to get out of the car. I'm giving you a lawful order to exit the vehicle. All right, let's keep going here. Something I'm noticing. He's in front of the gate shack. So essentially what I put together is he's on the driveway easement to get onto the actual property. Because it when you see every once in a while the camera looks in forward and you can see that the gate arm is still down. So he hasn't actually made it on to what I would consider the the gate the part that they're trying to control access to for property. So he's on the public easement, is what I would really argue. Um, but let's keep going.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:30

Do you want to go ahead and call the police so they can handle it?

SPEAKER_01 1:57:33

You can call them if you would like to.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:34

Because now you're inside of my property.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:36

Yeah, that gives me the lawful authority to do so.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:38

And I can take the lawful authority to leave. You have just as much authority for me to leave. I listen, I don't want to go back and forth with you. I'd rather go to leave.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:47

You're giving me a diagram right now.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:49

It's your issue that you're not letting me leave.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:51

I can order you out in the vehicle legally.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:54

I'm about to back up.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:55

If you back up and hit him, that will be.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:57

I don't want to hit you. So I'm telling you that I'm about to back up.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:59

You can tell him he says if you back up and hit him, that'll be your problem. That's what he tells him. Like, see what I mean? Like, even so, one of the arguments that was made was that this guy is an actual cop, but he's working his security gig. I don't know that to be true. Um, and oh, let me get out ahead of this. I clipped the hell out of it because there's a lot of lull. It was just filler. There was like the stuff that I clipped out of there wasn't actually anything that was going to give this more or less validity. I didn't take any context out of it. However, because of time restraints, I did clip it. So I just want to be honest about it. I did clip the hell out of it and I had to speed it up because it was over three minutes long and I wasn't going to be able to get the whole video. So you guys are more than willing to, or you're more than welcome to go out and find the full video. Um, if you don't believe what I said, but I'm just being honest about it up front. That's what I did. Um but let's discuss this this crazy shit, shall we? Because this is a fucking shit show. Um so ultimately, what what lawful what lawful authority do we have in in this instance if he's if he's a cop. I want to go with the giving him the most grace. Let's say he is a cop, he's a sworn peace officer with credentials in that state, but he's working as a security gig right now. You go first.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:21

I'm sorry. If you're if you're working that as an off-duty gig as a security officer, you have to maintain the role as a security officer, regardless of if it's the state that you were a police officer in in a different jurisdiction. Even if that's the city that this kid works in as a cop, you are working and being paid as a security guard under the HOA. He's probably got a measuring stick in his back left pocket to make sure nobody's grass goes above four inches. But the actual and that is that's a lot of too much power if to pull somebody out of a car. Uh no. We're we're uh we're grasping there. You know, if I was him, I would have rolled up the window. If you have no exit, call law enforcement there. You're trying to leave, but the kid's not opening the gate, so you can do U-turn and get out of there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:07

Yeah. Like what what why are you trying to get him to unask the vehicle to begin with? He's willing to leave. You don't want him there. So now why are we trying to get somebody out of the vehicle?

SPEAKER_08 2:00:16

Well, that's what I'm wondering is what is the whole stop and and what is this for in the first place?

SPEAKER_02 2:00:21

Right. It's obviously not a safety concern. We got both hands on the car, we're not trying to go to our weapon. We're there's nothing about this that that screams it's a safety issue, that not an imminent threat. So now we're again, we're gonna go off the fact that he's a sworn peace officer.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:42

Well, let me ask you this question because uh, you know, from in Connecticut, you know, we're not allowed to do stuff like that. Like you're not you're a copier cop. If if you want to work uh other jobs, it has to be under you know the the the guise of an officer, you know right in your uniform. Yeah, right. So we don't have stuff like that. So in a situation like this, I don't even think that that stuff like that should be allowed because you're if you're a copier cop, if you're gonna go work security, you should be working security as a cop. Like for example, the the the you know, the door of a bar or whatever. You're still a cop in uniform. You're your your duties are under the the duties of a cop. When you start out, yeah, when you're starting to mesh all this stuff up, and now I gotta go be a security officer and I gotta learn all the rules of what a security officer can do on top of being, but I'm already a cop. Like I don't agree with that because I think it it creates problems, like we're seeing like this.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:39

Yeah. Um, Alberto over on uh LinkedIn, Alberto Etshaburu said, uh, does he suffer any liability if he doesn't get him out of the car but lets him go and something bad happens? No, his job is to observe and report. That is his job, that's what security does. Now, if there is something so egregious that it's a safety concern to the immediate public, himself, or anything like that, he can do more. Um, and one of the arguments that I made on this is that in some states they do grant security guards the ability to lawfully arrest and detain. But those same guidelines give you as a citizen the same right to arrest and detain. It falls under the same scope. So, yeah, he let's say he had something that you know this guy's got an AR sitting right next to him and he's like got his kill list sitting in the side seat, and he's like, oh my god, this guy's about to go kill all these people, and I know they're inside. Well, now he's he can make a lawful arrest based on that right then and there. Sure. I don't think that's what we have, but um, yeah, so Alberto, uh, no, I wouldn't say that he suffers any like real liability um when it comes to that. As long as he's reporting it and he's trying to do the right thing, should be fine. I mean, shit. Look at some of the instances where cops I would have thought had a duty to act and they turned out to be cowards.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:08

So uh and I believe if this was truly a security risk that the security guard was seeing, he would be telling the person behind him, hey, go away. He'd go into his little guard shack there, get police on the line, don't lift up the thing. If this suspect that in his mind he believes is going to do something, he can crash through the barrier on his own. What's his job? Get that license plate, get a description of the person if you can, and give it to law enforcement that do have uh the duty and ability to come out there and do something if a law is being broken in his presence review, if you will, for security.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:40

Yeah, I made country girl laugh. She said, observe and report.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:44

Another good movie, right there.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:46

But yeah, no, right? Absolutely. Angelo said 99% of police don't need a lethal weapons with burna type weapons. What's a burna type weapon?

SPEAKER_08 2:03:59

Do you mean an actual firearm? Is that what you're calling? Like, you mean by burno?

SPEAKER_02 2:04:03

Burna? Like, I don't know. Is that like I don't know what they mean?

SPEAKER_08 2:04:06

I mean, if if the argument is that you you think that cops don't need guns and things like that, that's uh I'll never agree with that. I don't agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:14

Yeah, I don't agree with that at all. Um, I I think uh she she said Chicago. Shit, if anybody needs guns for cops, it's Chicago.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:26

A burna weapon is that CO2 powered that we were talking about offline before we went live.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:30

Oh, is that what those are called? Burna? I guess I never heard that term before.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:34

So non-lethal, is that what they mean?

SPEAKER_00 2:04:36

She means yeah, CO2 powered, non-lethal or less than lethal self-defense launcher that looks and handles like a handgun.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:43

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know. Cops definitely need more than that because you're in a nation that was founded on gun ownership. Everybody has a gun. You're gonna take the one, the one population that's made to try to enforce the law and then tell them that they can't have a gun in a nation that's founded in gun ownership. So many guns, it's like quadruple the number of guns to each citizen. Like, yeah, good luck. Good luck.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:10

I mean, look at the cities that have uh laws that say no guns, period. Yeah, oh yeah. Are they bringing any gun crimes? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:20

Yeah, they have the most gun, they have the most gun crimes, the most shootings. So well, look at all those countries that got rid of guns. Uh it's so chaotic over you know Australia's having a hell of a time.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:30

Um I saw a video recently.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:32

I don't know if you saw the video. I think this was in man, it was in another country where the guy like comes out of uh uh like a side corner with a with a sword or a machete and going at the copy.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:43

Yeah, and the cop tries to go up there with a taser.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:45

Yeah, yeah. He actually like gets one copy machete or whatever. Yeah, he gets a good one. They they then they finally tase him when he's in between the car. If that's the same video you saw, I don't know. But anyways, uh these are cops that don't have guns. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, what what do you expect them to do? Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:04

There's uh there's I don't know if I shared it yet. Maybe I did, but there was a good video, it might have been my cops do a better another country's video. Um, the cops chasing after a guy, and the guy's digging down into his ankle, and and you like the cops got his taser out. It's England, I believe, and he's like, uh, you know, I'm gonna taste you, I'm gonna tase you, I'm gonna tell you. And he keeps giving these warnings and he's warning and warning and warning and warning him, and all of a sudden you see a pistol come out, and this cop just runs the other fucking way. And I'm like, like, that's like, yeah, bro, you had all the opportunities. This is where I tell people hesitations, what's getting you in trouble. Um but yeah, that's crazy. Um, Angelo said, You sound like you have assaulted many citizens. Okay. Um I mean, you're you're a hundred percent speculating off of nothing, so um, that's a poor argument. Um again, if you're just gonna throw out emotional claims, I would ask that you go back to the logic and reasoning side and and give me something that is that you can put down on paper and show me. Um but I'm sorry, in in America, we have a Second Amendment, and you should have a gun, cops should have a gun, and everybody should have guns. An armed society is a polite society. I like guns. So it is what it is. I don't want criminals to have guns, but I want lawful abiding citizens to have guns for sure, so they can protect themselves. Um American people are not your subjects. You're right, they are not. A hundred percent. Us as police officers work for the people. So um, okay. Let me go back to my videos here. I think we've uh I think we've sufficiently covered a security guy. Um okay, let me I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to I know I think we've covered this one before, but I wanna play it for Jay. Damn it. Give me a second, I went to the wrong video. One second. This is uh the deal with going live sometimes. I gotta share the screen. Share screen. Alright, we're gonna go with uh Is this something that you would do in your time at work, Jay? Can you be arrested?

SPEAKER_07 2:08:33

Can a security guard detain you and order you out of your video?

SPEAKER_02 2:08:36

It did it again.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:37

Can I call the police? I've got to call the police.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:39

Sorry, it just keeps jumping to the video it wants to play instead of playing the video that I'm clicking on. Can you be arrested? Can a security guard detain you and order you out? Tell me, is it true that you I'm just gonna put back this way. There we go. Did

Dangerous Games Arrest And Camera Seizure

SPEAKER_02 2:08:52

this officer arrest? Can you be arrested for jumping into a lake?

SPEAKER_07 2:09:04

End it.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:08

No, you can't take my camera's evidence. You cannot take my camera. No, I didn't. No reason for me to take my camera to get as evidence. I'm not being I'm not being anybody to make it. Okay, you have to give me your camera down to our underrated dangerous games 3319.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:30

Okay. All right. Dangerous games 3319 in California. Stupid fucking law that is.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:38

These now, this is the stuff that I understand why citizens get mad and stuff like that. So that like, understand, like, listen, yes, I do think that we need laws and stuff like that, but this is the shit that where we talk about government, uh, the government overreach, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:52

Like corpus delecti. Where the fuck you at, Goya? One angry goi. Like, this is your corpus delecti argument right here. You've got no victim, no one got hurt. There's no one in danger unless you land on somebody. Yeah, not to mention look how much money we just spent. Uh look, government money. You had a boat, gasoline, two or three officers probably on that boat. You had another two or three, maybe five officers up on the land side with their vehicles and gas, and then you're gonna have court time. You're probably gonna there's gonna be two trips to court at least on that. Uh, you wasted all not to mention going down to the jail, dealing with the jail people. Like, there's so much time wasted on our side that you're never gonna recoup that money, even in fines for what that guy just did.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:43

Well, you know what my other aspect to this is is as a citizen, how I mean, how are you supposed to know that that's illegal? I mean, there's a rope there for a reason. Why is the rope even there?

SPEAKER_02 2:10:53

Right. Well, I mean the cops did yell out, like, if you do it, you're gonna be arrested. And the guy was like, Fuck it, I'm still going. And that's what I love about him. Yeah, I do it for the glory of the story, baby.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:05

There's a video I posted about, and I was and I said, like in the video, like, I'm a retired cop, I would never do this to somebody. Where the cop gives the guy a ticket because he backed his car in rather than having it, uh, you know, pulling it in. No, he yeah, he backed it in rather than pulling it in face uh first.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:21

And I'm just like, Yeah, that's the video I posted too.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's outrageous to me. I would never do that to somebody. That's so ridiculous, in my opinion. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 2:11:29

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:31

And plus, like, I don't know, but there's no signs, like there's no signs that said he can't, you can't back in.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:37

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:38

To me, that's to me that's a problem.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:40

Yeah, and he's from out of and he's from out of the country. Yeah, he's from Canada. Like, give him a break. Like, what type of message are we sending to visitors? Like, you know, I I want to welcome people, I don't want people to not come back to my city. Yeah, um what are you giggling about, Benny?

SPEAKER_00 2:11:56

Hey, just the amount of comments you're gonna derive from I I get your Hard on it. Give him a break. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:06

Um, and then uh let me see. Um, what was the other point? Oh, okay. So then then you've got one of the guys that was filming it and the cop saying, I get to take your camera. I don't think you do. I don't think you do. I if if he was filming it himself, the actor of the crime was filming it himself, but how do you know that that's not just some dude he saw on the on the trail and was like, I'm gonna go film or I'm gonna go jump in the water and film it? Like that doesn't he that doesn't make him a part of the a party to the crime. He's just a dude filming. You don't know anything, you didn't even talk to that guy, and now you're gonna try to confiscate his camera.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:47

He's not gonna need that as evidence as long as everybody was running their butt again, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:12:51

And then you had all of that time to film it yourself, you don't need his video camera.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:56

Well, and that I mean, unless unless there's nobody there and you're taking his property as like inventory, that's a different story. But to seize it, absolutely not, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:13:04

And that would be if there was nobody there and that was his camera. That was the dude's holding it. He's like, I'm gonna need that camera. Like, the fuck you are, you're gonna need a warrant, buddy. Um so yeah, that's crazy. Uh hey Angelo, you're a broken record. We totally admit we do work for you, not the other way around. We've already said that. Matter of fact, they said we work for you, the people. We are servants to the community. That's what we do. I think a caps lock button is stuck. Yeah, I think uh I think a caps lock doesn't your point doesn't get emphasized anymore. So um, country girl said we used to jump from top of a a crane at a barged dock, dry dock. Holy shit. Yeah, that's why she's country girl. She's been a part of us for a long time here, Jay. So that makes sense with her. Um, we got another girl called Shotguns and Tattoos. Uh, them two crack me up. So um, hey Angelo, you already made this point too. You already said take cops' guns away. So I don't I don't know why you feel the need to spam it, but we're we're I'm saying it for you. Angelo thinks that cops need to have their guns taken away in the United States, and I'm saying that that's just a crazy take. Uh yeah, not a realistic take at all. So um, but hey, go go do a couple scenarios uh at uh Citizens Academy and tell me how that works out, not having a gun. Um, Steve Wallace, one of our oldest, and I don't know that Steve's ever missed a live that we've done. He said they need to start using the dangerous games law on the mobs of kids stunting on their bikes in the middle of traffic. It's getting ridiculous. Oh my god, tell me about it. Starting to do some really good traps on them. They're they're trying to catch bridges and I actually posted a video about that.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:54

There was uh there was a kid who was doing that, but this was on like e-bikes, you know, that those are a big problem too now. This was in Las Vegas, too. It was in Las Vegas, he's running lights. He and this kid's 14 years old. He's doing wheelies, running through red lights on it. Um, and then and then the cop tries stopping him and he you know creates a chase. And the cop ends up locking him up. He's 14. The parents come to the scene, and the parents are arguing with the cop, they're making the big scene, trying to make it seem like the cop is wrong, and this and that, and whatever. And it's like, and you're seeing this more and more with parents not taking accountability for their kids' actions, which is getting crazy. But then I look deeper into it, and the and the mother, I look at her social media, and her her page is literally just all she does is post her kid doing this, so she condones him doing it. Oh no, yeah, and that's her whole page. And then I need to be held accountable. Well, you know what it was was even funnier is she owns a uh clothing company that is that is attached to her son doing this stuff, so she's purposely trying to make money off of her kid doing this stuff and and baiting the cops and and doing you know what I mean? It's just outrageous behavior, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:04

Yeah, finally, Angelo. You said something I do agree with. It it's not spamming. I do all caps all day, every day. Fuck you if you don't like it. Amen, sister. I'm with you, or brother. I don't know. And is that a boy or girl's name? Angelo's a guy's name, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:16:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:22

Yeah, yeah. I don't know any Angelos. I know the restaurant in Flint. Angelo's comedy. This guy knows what I'm talking about. Uh, question, Jay. Let's test your uh Michigander. Are you Detroit style or are you Flint style?

SPEAKER_08 2:16:37

Oh man, I'm probably Detroit to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:40

Yeah, I don't like it's hard to say.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:43

It's hard to say. I don't know. I mean, listen, my my dad, my dad grew up in Flint, and that's where I was most of the time, but I was in Detroit a lot too because that's all we did was go to the sports, you know, every sporting event, you know what I mean? So I was down there most of the time.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:56

Hell yeah. Catch you some Red Wings games, some Tigers games. Yeah, bro. Hell yeah, that's all I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:01

I'm actually pumped down here because the Lions are playing uh Miami, the dolphins this year.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:06

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:07

Yeah, so they'll be down here, so yeah, November. So I'll be I'll be able to see them down here.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:11

Hell yeah. Well, shit. Given by where you live by, maybe I can make a trip down there. You can host me.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:17

Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:18

Come watch some shit, go catch a football game. Um, okay. Uh, I want to open the floor um to people out there. Uh or Jay, if you've got anything that you want to bring up.

Citizens Law Book And Civics Gaps

SPEAKER_02 2:17:30

I there is one thing that I do want to bring up for you. You're an author. I am, yes. That's crazy because you don't look like an author. Nah.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:40

I'm a creative guy. I'm a creative guy, man. That's my thing, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:43

Tell us what you're an author of, sir.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:46

Yeah, so listen, I created this book for everybody. And what I started realizing, not just being a cop, but doing the social media thing and seeing what's going on on social media, is that yes, cops are uneducated, but so is society. And why is that? A big reason for that is because we don't learn this anywhere. I mean, think about it. We go through school, right? And we never get a class in high school or anything that teaches us about the law, teaches us about the court systems, teaches us how like how to deal with cops, what cops are allowed to do, what they're not allowed to do, what you're allowed to do, things like that. So, how do you ever learn? That's why people go out into society and they're getting all their information from social media now, rather than you know, real education. And nobody's teaching you this stuff. In my opinion, you know, junior, senior year of high school, there should be a class where they teach you all this type of stuff. What happens when you get arrested? How do you navigate through the court systems? You know, what's the difference between federal law, state law? Um, you know, is a cop does a cop have to you have to give your ID to a cop? Do you not? You know, because think about it. Then you go to college and you're out there on your own. You know what I mean? You don't have your parents there to tell you anything anymore and teach you stuff. You're literally out there on your own. And a lot of college kids, they end up, you know, now they're drinking, they're doing things like this, they're getting in trouble and they're dealing with the cops, and you know, people's lives get ruined because they just don't have the education. So the other problem is is you know, the law, the statutes, all these things, they're very hard to read. You know, if you're not a lawyer, if you're not a cop, if you're not, you know, the normal person, it's very hard to read this lingo. So I created a book that is basically for everybody. You know, if you're if you're somebody who is already a cop, this is a book that you can touch up your skills on. If you're somebody who wants to be a cop, this is a great book to teach you everything that you're gonna need to know going into that field. If you're not a cop, you can be a criminal. This book is gonna help you, okay? For real. For real.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:41

I love it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:43

It's gonna teach you everything, and that's that's why I did it. Just to just to kind of give people that education, you know, keep it in your car, keep it anywhere. So if you do get pulled over, you could literally be like, hey man, look, you can't do this shit. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 2:19:55

Yeah. Um, and it's titled Citizens Law: A Plain English Guide to American Law: How to Deal with Police Encounters to Protect Yourself by Jason Bandy. So I have got that up there. You guys can find that on Amazon uh if you so choose to. Um, but no, that's pretty cool. I like the idea behind it. Um, you know, we kind of talked about this uh earlier, but one of the things that I I really wish they would bring back is um have gun safety classes in school. I think that that would be a wonderful idea. Um, I think civics classes in general would be a good idea. Uh, you how many times banning running code have you seen people pull over or just stop in the middle of the road when you're running code?

SPEAKER_00 2:20:44

100%. You know, there's there's so many things that need to be fixed. I mean, 100% in law enforcement, we get that. That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to open the the eye on that. But driver's education, you know, driver's education has gotten so distant, and now you're watching a few videos and you're and you're good to go and you're gonna be out there with depending on what you're driving. You know, I drive an 8,000-pound truck as my daily driver, a big diesel, you know. And if you if you don't understand physics when you're trying to stop something like that, especially if you've got a heavy loaded trailer, you're gonna end up taking somebody's life. Yeah. But the same thing with yielding, yielding to law enforcement, EMS, and and and fire, you got to give them a path through because you're going to help somebody.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:21

You know, yeah, yep, 100%. Uh Twitchy, uh, on top of things, found a link. So um, Twitchy, I'm gonna put that I'm gonna put that link in the chat. So if you guys want a link to Jay's book, it's right there. And if you listen to this later, you'll be able to find that on our live stream. Uh, the recording anyway. I'm about to cough, so give me one second. As I were. Um so uh Marine Blood Logan, Eric likes eating donuts. Yeah, it's just self-deprecating humor, brother. Uh it's uh for those wondering where the name came from, I am a cop in the military and uh municipal cop. So, and I like donuts. So I just played off of my favorite podcast, which is Two Bears, One Cave. Burt Kreischer and Tom Segura, they're funny comedians, and they're they're big hairy dudes. So they created two bears, one cave. So I just mimicked their name because I thought it was simple and easy and made sense for me. Two cops, one donut. Um, it did not come from two girls, one cup, although that is a funny coincidence. Once my buddies pointed that out to me later, so classic, classic. Yeah, I think it was about three episodes in Jay, and somebody was like, one of my friends, that's funny, dude. Like two girls, one cup. And I'm like, fuck. Uh yeah, it is. Uh, I didn't think of it that way, but thanks for reminding me. So um he said, Is his shirt choking him? Who? Yeah. Hey, come on now. Don't be hating on me hating on the Barbie classic from Retro Rifle. Um, Eric Wittston said, Is uh there is a theory that can be debated that the government wants the public to not know their rights so they can do things to the public and the public doesn't know any better. It is a theory I have sought.

SPEAKER_08 2:23:13

Yeah, I that's yeah, there is to a certain extent.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:18

Yeah, there's there's sound logic behind that.

SPEAKER_08 2:23:21

Well, I mean, listen to this. Like, part of the thing I say is imagine if society did have the education, imagine if you did go through a class, junior, senior year of high school. Imagine if you did read a book like this, whatever. A lot of a lot of people would have less encounters with the police, in my opinion. They would crime would probably go down. There would be less arrests, um, you know, because people know their rights, they know what they can and can't do. So and listen, there's a lot of there's a lot of arrests that happen because people aren't necessarily trying to do something bad, they just don't know that they're doing something bad. Yeah, and and then you have the government. Listen, the government loves money. I mean, what what happens when you get arrested? They make money off of it, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 2:24:02

Yeah, it yeah, it it's the machine. I mean, you talk about the uh what do they call it, the industrial war machine or the I I can't industrial complex, something like that. I don't get into the politics side of things too much, but the industrial war complex or whatever the hell that thing's called, uh, it makes sense. And if you take that same logic and look behind the structure of the way our system's set up, it's a moneymaker. That is a part of it. So sound

For Profit Prisons And Incentives

SPEAKER_02 2:24:30

logic. It's just it takes individual thinkers like us that are allowed to do that, to say, I'm not gonna be a part of that. I can do this job without being a part of it.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:38

One thing I want to ask you is what's your opinion on for-profit prisons?

SPEAKER_02 2:24:44

Oh my god, tell me that's not a horrible fucking idea from the gate. You already got corrupt judges that's already been busted. I think it was Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:52

Insane.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:53

Yeah, yeah. For yeah, these private prisons, no, no, thank you. What do you you know what? I'll be on board the day that it shows that the recidivism goes down because of it. But these private prisons are not doing better than regular prisons at all.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:09

We if you just look at anything that's contracted that state and local government or federal does contracted, it's gonna cost more than doing it in-house. And I just don't I don't understand that. I didn't understand it when I was in the military, I don't understand it when I was active in law enforcement. Anytime you contract something and they'll and you'll hear within that argument, it's to save us money.

SPEAKER_08 2:25:32

Yeah, yeah. They they say that, but they know, yeah, we know what's uh what's going on there. There's a lot of kickbacks and all shit like that going on.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:39

Yeah, no, that's a great topic. And no, I'm completely against that. Um, it and I the it just makes sense, just when you in my opinion, when when you if you put that on paper, I'm like, no, like you're already mad at it. You you've already opened the door for major corruption on that.

SPEAKER_09 2:25:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:55

Uh at the expense of people that have no rights as it is. That's one of the most people, you know, bad guys are gonna do bad guy things and they're gonna have to pay a consequence for that. My job isn't to not beat them down once they're paying for a mistake. My job is to try to help them not do that again. Uh, because I I want to be put out of a job. I want there to be no crime so I don't have to work. Like, literally, I want you to be able to make me lazy. Uh that's just not the way it is. Um, Ryan said, Eric, what are your thoughts about the military style used in law enforcement, given that you are also in the military? How are they different and should they be? I'm not clear on what you're asking. What are your thoughts about the military style used in law enforcement? Are we talking about chain of command, Ryan? I I think you're gonna need to be a little more specific. Are we talking about SWAT using bearcats and stuff like that, using military equipment?

SPEAKER_08 2:26:55

Um I'm never or is he could is he trying to compare like how like you're you were a cop in the military, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:27:02

Yeah, I'm an MP for the uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:04

So what's the difference really? Like what would be the difference that of you being doing that job compared to this job? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:10

Yeah, I'm not sure. I I'll just I'll wait for him to throw up something clarifying. Um KP Nation said, you mentioned trespass earlier. Why do officers always compare private and public having the same trespass law? Is it something they are told in training? No, I think they just fucking get it mixed up. I think they're trespassing. You don't know this, Jay, but that is one of my it's probably the top platform that I have on this show because I talk about how cops fuck up trespass so much. One of the things that we mess up a lot is we think we have the right to ID you on a trespass warning. Because what do we do? When we're doing our police work, we have this little book with all these trespass warnings. And we think because it's got a thing that says name, date of birth, all that stuff, that I have a right to your ID. I don't. Not if you look at your law, because a criminal trespass warning is not a crime, it's a warning, it's actually civil. So I don't have a right to your ID. And cops screw that up a lot. They try to force ID, whether it's on public or private, or they'll try to get you, you're on the public sidewalk, and it's the 7-Eleven that's trying to trespass you, and the officer's like, come here. And you're like, No, I'm not going over there. Fuck you. And they try to get them, bring them back onto the property that they're told to leave, so they can issue a criminal trespass warning.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:35

One, that's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:37

You do not have the right to their ID, not until you told them they gotta leave and they refuse to leave in your presence, or unless you've got like some video evidence this guy's been criminally trespassed before with the warning, and now you can turn that criminal. I see banning your little smirk is driving me.

SPEAKER_00 2:28:55

It's it just goes back, and I think I'm I mentioned it maybe about a year ago was when I started working in a rural area. Um, I had my chief come to me and say, Hey, if you see so-and-so out on his bike today, you need to issue him a criminal trespass from Mary's house. He was there the other night and he took a beer with without asking when he left. So when you see him, we're gonna do a lifetime criminal trespass on him. I need you to go do that. And then I I I turn the bridge. Hey, what law is that? Uh a city ordinance wouldn't be able to cover. I need you to break this down to me, knowing what criminal trespass was. Um, and this dude hasn't been there in 48 hours. And he was wanting me to go out, and and and that wasn't the only thing. I mean, you had the sheriff doing that to people as well. And then when somebody would violate, they were being arrested, and it was two or more. Uh the DA was accepting that case. And I just it baffled me. And you and I understand how criminal trespass works in the state of Texas. How was that working? And it's not just here, and it's in a lot of rural areas. And I'm only speaking on Texas on this. Um, and no, I did not go out and issue that criminal trespass.

SPEAKER_02 2:30:07

Fucking crazy. Um,

Military Gear Questions And Trespass Confusion

SPEAKER_02 2:30:09

the man in the hat said, Ryan, uh, going back to the military and policing question. Ryan is asking the common question about departments using military-style uniforms, gear tactics, etc. What's your opinion on that? Um, honestly, I don't care. Um, I I'm not a big I don't get into the semantics of things. If if we're worried about looks, we're not worried about the right things. Um, obviously, look at fucking tattoo face over here. If we're worried about his looks, we're worried about the wrong things. That doesn't mean he's going to be a bad cop. I want to judge a person by their actions. So if they're out there wearing, I don't want you to look like the military. And what I mean by that is I don't want you out there in OCPs um wearing what the military wears because there's got to be a distinct difference. I got to be able to tell that you're now if you're wearing an all-blue uniform that just happens to be has the same pockets and and same materials, I don't give a shit. That doesn't bug me. Um, I don't care. Wear what is functional and helps you do the job better. If it keeps you in the streets longer because you're wearing an outer carrier and it's not killing your lower back because you're wearing all your shit on your hips, I'm all for that. I don't care that you think it looks scary. If it helps them perform better, you should want that too. You should want them out in the street longer. You should want all of that stuff. If they've got uh an MRAP that can help them approach on SWAT calls, say for better, it's not out there patrolling the streets. You know, if you get a riot or whatever, I don't mind them having that equipment. It doesn't bug me. No. Um, I the problem is is when and how it's used. Just no different than a guy that takes tractor equipment, turns it into a tank, and terrorizes a town. Because that happened, it was a fucking awesome video to watch. Yeah, it's like the 90s. Yeah, it was fucking cool. Uh, your boy was going just ham. Not today. Uh, so what's your thoughts on that, Jay?

SPEAKER_08 2:32:16

I mean, like what like you said, I don't really care how a cop looks, I care more about how he acts, how he treats people. Um, so in that aspect, you know, I don't I don't really mind. As for uniforms, I think, like you said, whatever is going to be comfortable. I mean, people don't really know until they're they're they do this job how uncomfortable some of this stuff is, and how how it really does break your body down. Um, the belt, things like this. Um, the gear, you know, you gotta be prepared for everything, you know, like society out here, obviously there's there's great people and there's bad people, and we see this throughout lifetime. So there's crazy stuff that can go down, and if the departments are not prepared for that, then we can't protect you properly. So obviously it should be utilized in the right manner, but I do think that we should be uh equipped to handle anything.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:10

Yeah. Uh Shroglindite said kill Doza for the win. Right? Oh shit, too funny. Um, yeah, just looking at the comments here. Uh I I I we're at two and a half hours. We usually go two and a half, three hours. Um, I don't have a topic, anything else lined up. I'm just looking at the chat. So if you guys are throwing questions up there, I will keep bringing up questions. If you have any questions for Jay, now's

Thin Blue Line Meaning And Culture

SPEAKER_02 2:33:40

the time. Please put that in there. Uh Jay, any other topics? You did the private prisons thing. Is there any other thing that's been weighing on your heart where you're like, fuck this?

SPEAKER_08 2:33:49

Uh no, I mean, I think we've we've kind of touched on a lot of a lot of things. Uh I think the one thing that I think the one thing that just really bothers me when I when I see Uh on social media, or you know, just people is is just their disdain for police, man. Like just how much they they hate cops or their anger towards them. And I just think that that's something that I can understand to a certain extent, okay? But I think that we shouldn't be like that towards anybody or or any profession or any type of people in in this world at all. We should all want good good morals and good things to happen to each other. And I don't think that being like that is going to help anything. And and uh I'd like to see people be a little bit more logical than emotional because I think that's a big problem in society in in this generation, especially, man, is like people aren't thinking with their brains, they're thinking with their emotions. And that's getting a lot of people in trouble. And uh I just want people to understand that listen, there's great cops and there's shit cops, and that's why we put this information out there. That's why I go out there and I expose you know bad cops getting in trouble on my page, you know, because it's not uncommon. It does happen, and I know society wants to see it happen. But I I I will ask you guys this one this question because society thinks that it doesn't happen enough. Where they think that cops get away with everything. And I try to tell them that like this this whole thin blue line thing really isn't like it was back in the 70s, 80s, you know, like you know, there's a lot of cops within these police departments that don't like each other, there's a lot of vindictive nature, there's a lot, you know, there's cops really aren't protecting each other the way society thinks they are. And I think that that's something that society needs to realize that it's this thin blue line thing isn't isn't as real as you think. You know, we're not out here. If a cop is doing something bad, but you better believe that there's cops within that department that does not like that cop or does not like what that cop is doing. And if they have the opportunity to, they will fuck that cop over. This is just how it goes. It's like any job, really.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:58

Yeah. Um, I think I'll push back a little bit on that. Well, we have we have examples um that I think frustrate people like Harrison, he's out in Kentucky, um, where they just have years of corruption going on amongst the troopers that's finally coming to light of cops protecting cops. So you see a thin blue line example over there versus coming to another department like in California, where you see that they're all turning on each other constantly internally in that department. So there is no thin blue line in that sense either, because they all, you know, they're crabs in a bucket just pulling each other. So it's weird. It just depends on what you're looking at and where you're at. Yeah, I think thin blue line absolutely exists in in a good old boy system at some of these departments because we see examples of it, and then I think in other departments you see everybody throwing each other under the bus any chance they can get so they can get up on that bucket. And yeah, it's crazy how it just differs from so many places. So I I I tend to I again it's not a mutually exclusive thing, and then I've talked about this on the show before. What does the thin blue line actually mean? It means different things to different people. All that means to me, it doesn't have anything to do with I'm on the line and I'm protecting the good versus the evil. That it never meant that to me. That doesn't that's not what it means to me. To me, it means if I fall, banning's gonna step up and make sure my daughter walks down the aisle and somebody gives her away. That somebody's gonna be there if I die, and my daughter, she's 14 right now, so somebody is there to help her get her license, somebody helps her with her first car when I go. That's what it is to me. That just means somebody's gonna be there for my family that I don't typically think you're gonna get at a any nine to five job somewhere else. You're not gonna get that type of family and friends, and I've got that with the military as well. I've got brothers and sisters in the military that I know if I go down, whether it's as a cop or in the military, I'm in the Air Force, I'm not going down. So uh, but um the chair force, if you will. Uh, but I somebody will be there for me. So to me, that's what the thin blue line really meant. But it is it means different things to different people.

SPEAKER_08 2:38:19

So I agree. I agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:21

Yeah. Um it is what it is. Brandar, where the fuck has Brandar been, by the way. I haven't heard from Brandard in forever. And now he just jumps in out of nowhere, dropping 10 memberships. Thank you, Brandar. Uh, he didn't do it in Japanese currency this time, so he must be Brandar is uh, I think Navy. I think he's a Navy guy. Um, and uh I haven't heard anything out of his mouth in forever. Where you been, fella? Uh appreciate

Final Takeaways And Sign Off

SPEAKER_02 2:38:50

you, Brandar. Thank you very much. Um, Banning, what do you got? You got anything?

SPEAKER_00 2:38:55

No, man, and the reason I keep coming back is that main mission is bringing the community and law enforcement together. There's been so much strife over the past few years, and it's gotten bigger, bigger, and bigger as social media shows more and more and more. Eric and I both got into this thing in the beginning as good little officers in a department always preach to us, and 99% of law enforcement out there is great. Well, we're we're we're seeing that those numbers are not as accurate as we would like them to be. And now we're all for the training. Where is the training going? And I'm reaching out to you, chiefs and sheriffs out there. You see what's coming across the media stuff, all the all the reels and feeds. Take that time to teach your friggin' troops to treat the public right with dignity and respect. And that's what I got. And Jay, thank you so much for being here with us tonight. We appreciate it. Yeah, thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:47

Uh, shout out to Brandar. He said, uh, hey, what's up, y'all? I've been on deployment visiting Panama. All right, brother. Thank you for your services, as you know. Uh, definitely respect to you, brother. Um, and yep, keep your head up. I'm glad you got to do Panama. That's probably not nearly as bad as some other places you could have been. Um glad you weren't in Iran. So that's a plus. Or the Ukraine. Um, but yeah, Jay, everybody in the audience tonight, thank you very much. We appreciate you. Uh Brandar, uh, glad you're back, brother. Um, good to hear. And everybody, uh Jay, stick around real quick when we end this. Uh, everybody else, have a good night. Make sure you like, follow, subscribe. Go find Jay on the uh beyond the thin blue line on all his social media. Um, and like, follow, subscribe to his stuff as well. Um, that's all I got. Have a good night.

SPEAKER_00 2:40:39

Thanks, guys.