Ask Me Anything Morning Chat

Ticket quotas, qualified immunity, pretext stops, and “fishing” are the kinds of policing topics that usually get reduced to slogans. We slow it down and talk through what actually happens in the real world, why certain incentives push officers toward certain behaviors, and where the line is between proactive policing and abusive enforcement. If you’ve ever wondered why traffic stops feel like a revenue machine, or why “quotas” get denied while the pressure still shows up on evaluations, we get into the mechanics without pretending it’s simple.

We also dig into what makes a good cop and why training and experience matter more than a spotless background. I talk about the early-career mindset where officers are terrified of violating rights and end up sounding like robots, and why high-call-volume departments create faster learning through sheer reps. From there we debate personal malpractice style insurance for officers, the reality of police recruiting, and the qualified immunity system: why it was created, how it gets abused, and what accountability could look like without driving away the best candidates.

Then we hit the questions people ask in every comment section: why do six officers show up for one person, when are pretextual stops useful, and how should cops handle a citizen who refuses to answer questions. My clearest advice stays the same: you don’t have to answer a cop’s questions, and a professional officer should be able to say that out loud while still doing the job. We also talk creator censorship pressure, why we’re building a Rumble safety net, and where to find us every week.

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Welcome And Content Disclaimer

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hey everybody, welcome to Two Cops One Donut. I'm your host, Sergeant Eric Levine. Before we get started, here's a quick disclaimer. The views and opinions you're about to hear are those of the hosts and guests alone. They don't represent any police department, agency, sponsor, or employer. 2 Cops One Donut isn't responsible for anything said by guests or for any videos, clips, or content shown during the live stream. This show is intended for adult audiences only. We cover real incidents, we show graphic and sometimes disturbing footage, and we don't shy away from strong language or adult conversations. There may or may not also be alcohol involved. Viewer discretion is strongly advised. Everything you hear or see on the show is for entertainment and educational purposes. It is not legal advice and it's not tactical instruction. And it shouldn't be used for such. By continuing to watch, you're telling us that you understand, you accept all of this. All right, now let's get into it.

Morning Live Kickoff Across Platforms

SPEAKER_03 0:53

All right, good morning. What's going on, guys? Sergeant Eric Levine here with two cops, one donut, and I'm on this morning chat kick. I don't know. I wake up, I work nights for those that don't know. So I'm enjoying jumping on. I'm on the TikToks, I'm on Facebook, uh, LinkedIn, we're on YouTube, we're over on Instagram, if I didn't already say that. Um we are on uh Rumble. So we've got the gambit here. I'm looking over at the chat. RG's already in the house. What's up, R Guy? Jerry's watching, Rumble Ridge, HBO Matt. HBO Matt, have you survived the great purge of auditors on YouTube? Uh on the demonetization. Did you survive that, brother? I haven't heard if you're uh making it through. For those that don't know, Detective Matt Thornton got uh demonetized. So the police are not safe either. Um, Corpus put out a warrant for me saying F the mayor a year later, for saying wonderful. That's a uh that is a breach of freedom of speech, if there ever was one. Oh, we got banning sweatland. What's he doing? He is in the chat. What's going on? Sweats, uh HBO high, bro. Uh my mom's on. Look at that. She missed the last morning one. Looking over at the Instagrams. I don't see anybody chatting over there, looking over at TikTok. Looks like Kelly's joined. What's up, Kelly P? Uh Steve Wallace in the house. What's up, Steve? Uh, I'm doing these morning chats more often. Uh, I'm gonna try. Uh, more often than not, I'm just sitting there looking for videos that you guys sent or whatever it is. So rather than do that, I'm going to uh I'm just going to jump on lives more regular and let's just bullshit. No agendas, no real uh points of topic. I'll bring up stuff to just keep chat going and and go from

Ticket Quotas Versus Performance Reviews

SPEAKER_03 3:05

there. I've I've got a list of topics just to throw out there to see what you guys' thoughts are on them, to get some good conversation going. Uh, one of those ticket quotas. Do you guys believe the ticket quotas exist? Do you think that cops we'll start off hot with that? We're we're almost five minutes in. So we'll go with ticket quotas. I want to see in the chat. Tell me what you guys think about it. Do you think they exist? Um, there's a lot of conjecture whether they do or they don't. I will tell you what I think as a cop, what I've seen. Um, but I'm just curious what the chat's got to say first before I jump out there. Uh my mom said, I was here yesterday, just stayed quiet drinking my coffee. Well, I stole another one of my kids' Alani's because I forgot to get energy drinks again. And this one's almost gone. So our guy, yes, they do. Steve Wallace, yes. All right. I will tell you that although formally quotas don't exist, they don't, um, you you'll never more often I well, I don't like using always and never, you will more than likely not hear a police department ever put out a quota because they're illegal. And that'd be a huge liability for the department. However, the units that do most of the tickets is it's generally like you think of your motor jocks, the ones around the motorcycles, um, traffic unit. But that's what's considered a specialized unit. And how do they evaluate a specialized unit? Well, it's based on production, right? Based on what you're out there doing. Now, if you have a good supervisor, your supervisor is going to tell you out there and be like, hey, your job is to go out there and enforce traffic laws. If you feel that needs to be an educational stop, do it. If you feel it needs to be a citation, do it. Like that discretion's on you. I'm not going to tell you how to do it one way or another. Just go out there and do that. And as long as you're making stops for lawful reasons, that's all I'm going to evaluate you on. That would be a good supervisor. That's how it should be done. But there has been a culture in these traffic units that you'll hear them say, you got to write a book a day. Got to write a book a day to earn your pay. Like, you need to be writing a book a day to stay on the unit because when evaluation time comes and they start looking, like, what have you done? Well, you've been on the traffic unit and you've only written one book for four months. Like, how is that possible? There's we know there's people violating traffic laws all over the place. All you're doing is just educating every time. Well, you're being lazy. Is that a quota? I would argue that it kind of is. So if that is how you do it, I would say you're doing it wrong. Um, yeah, our guy. Yeah, he's right on point. He's he's right there with me. It's just called a performance review. A hundred percent. Steve Wallace, a hundred percent. Look, it's like we're reading each other's minds. My bad. Uh catching up to the chat. I'm behind y'all. Um, Elliot Perry, dear sir, I am a teen. Run my own multi-state nonprofit for veteran law enforcement and kids' special needs, and have had 80 surgeries in my life and say thank you for your service and back the blue. Well, we appreciate that. And I like all the nonprofit stuff you're doing. That's pretty cool. Um takes a lot to do nonprofit, have a mission and stuff like that. Uh, Kelly P said, I worked the sheriff's office back in 2003 to 2005, 40 working day uh FTO program. So in the beginning, I was making any and all stops for practice, but hardly wrote any tickets. Yeah, and learning, learning the job is another aspect of it that I hadn't considered, but yeah, making stops, doing, taking as many calls as you can. That's normal practice for cops. Um, going to the jail as often as you can when you first start out. It may not be stuff that you would have arrested for later on in your career, because you, but when you're first learning, you're like, I gotta get these reps in. Um, Jerry Worms is in the house. He is one of the OG, one of the first person ever on the TV show cops, uh, one of the cops that was followed. Uh, you'll remember him for his numb chucks, but um he said, we were expected to write tickets as part of our daily routine, no number amount given, but a few a day kept the sergeant away. And I remember those days. I remember the sergeant saying, if you don't have X amount of reports, then you better have two tickets written. I remember those days. Um good morning, Eric. Mom and banning. Craig Holcomb. Craig is always Craig's very generous to this show. Uh Marine Blood's in the house, one of our mods. What's up, Marine? Um, oh, good. We got a mod on this time. Um, it's not their fault. I didn't, I didn't give them any warning for yesterday's morning stream and today's morning stream. I just did it. So um, Marine, I would like to get our guy. He he's uh I think he's interested or he's willing to be a mod. Um I would love to, he's got a great network and he really knows this stuff as well. He I think he'd be a great addition to what we're doing. Um if if you want to facilitate that, sir. Um we could get him going on our our Discord and stuff as well, if he's interested. I appreciate there's like I said, there's nothing like the heart of a volunteer. Um, just gotta make sure they understand the mission and what we're trying to do and get them going. Um let me see. Everybody's saying good morning to each other. Normal practice for cops to hire bad cops. I don't understand that statement. Jay Programmer said, normal practice for cops to hire bad cops. That's not true. Departments are okay, let's just go down the logical line with that. Normal practice for cops to hire bad cops. There is no department that's like, I want to add extra liability, extra eyes on my department of us doing dumb shit by hiring bad cops. No department wants that smoke. They want as little eyes on them as possible. So our guy said, I'm down to mod for you. Hell yeah, brother. Um, and our guy's in Texas, so that's even awesomer. I want to, I don't think that's a word, but I want to get him, I want to get him a tour. I want him, I want him to see our crime center and stuff. I know he's it would be quite a drive for him, about four hours, but if he ever gets up here in my area, I'd love to show him what we do and kind of get his uh his perspective on things. But um, yeah, I I don't think I don't think that makes any sense to say that cops are trying to hire hire bad people. Um he said that well this is anecdotal, JPro gamer, but it's funny. He said they hired my brother and he wasn't supposed to be a cop. Oh, that's too funny.

Who Makes A Good Cop

SPEAKER_03 10:30

Um who's supposed to be a cop? That's a better question. Let's go down that okay, JPro. You've you brought you opened the door. Who's supposed to be a cop? Because if you would have looked at me on paper when I was going to be a cop, you wouldn't have wanted me. Not at all. You would not have wanted me. So who is supposed to be a cop? What is your definition of what's supposed to be a cop? I will tell you the problem I have with somebody with a squeaky, uh, clean background, grew up in, you know, suburbia, and really faced no trials or tribulations in their life. I don't want that person as a cop. I don't want a Boy Scout. I want somebody that's messed up in their life, that's been around strife. I want somebody that, you know, maybe had some domestics that happened at their house, maybe or had family members somewhere, like that they know some shit and they've learned some hard lessons. I that's who I want. I want the person that was a bartender. I want the person that was a barista and had to put up with people's shit at work and know how to deal with it. That's the people I think make better cops. I don't want the guy that went to four-year college immediately after high school. Um parents stayed, no, no, that's not anything wrong with it, but parents stayed together and, you know, they never got in any trouble, never did anything wrong. They go directly from there to a four-year college, and now all of a sudden they're expected to fix your 30 years of problems that you've been building up on a domestic, like they can relate to that. One, you're setting that guy up for failure. And two, it's gonna take that guy so much longer to be a good cop. You think? I don't know. Let's go to the chat. Let me see what you guys are saying about that. Um, Stormbringer, that's me. Where can I apply?

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Hell yeah, brother. I'm telling you. Some cops that have seen some shit, those those tend to make the good ones.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

Um, the police are trying to make it illegal to cop watch with drones. Are they?

SPEAKER_01 12:40

I haven't heard that one. I haven't seen that. I wouldn't I wouldn't have a problem with that.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

I don't know. The more cameras, the better. In the Czech Republic to we love pork, ever try our sausages. Oh I don't know if this is like a awkward overseas joke about cops, or if he's serious. I've never heard of a Czech Republic sausage, if you will. Uh I am great at de-escalation and have patience. Humble too, I see. Um the Don, he said, being a people person and customer service are some of the biggest factors to being an effective officer, knowing how to deal with people, both good and bad. 100% agree. Um, that emotional intelligence, the social skills, those are two things that I would say the majority of departments, if any, I don't know, I don't know of any, but there could be some, they don't test for that when they're doing the hiring process. That's a problem. Um but part of the problem is with the things that I told you guys that I would like from an officer, they're never going to allow to be hired. That's the that's I don't know. It's a flawed logic that if you've got if you've done something bad in your past, that you're always going to be bad. So with that said, look at people that have gotten out of prison with a felony and they can't get jobs anywhere. We're arresting people, telling them that we want to rehabilitate. That's the purpose of part of the purpose of putting people in jail. One is justice, um, two is rehabilitation and becoming a um proactive, you know, positive member of society. Right? So if those are the purposes, then why do we limit their ability to come back and be a proactive member of society? But Black Eagle71 said, Hi, this is OTI from YouTube, proving I subbed here. I appreciate it. He's over on our Rumble channel. Yeah, if you guys uh listen, with all the demonetization going on, if you guys could do me a favor, just go subscribe to our Rumble, our yeah, our Rumble account under Two Cops One Donut. Uh, let's just build that up as a safety net. That's what I really need to do. We need to build that up as a safety net. Um, Stormbringer. It's a sick, it's a Sopranos quote. Oh, I should have known. I haven't watched Sopranos in a long time, but I I've watched that season, I've watched that series probably two or three times, but I probably should go through it again. I'm losing my memory. Um, my mom said, yes, I suppose, not bad and not great. I was wondering how homeschooling was going. Oh, they're having their own little side conversation. Um let's see. What else do we have? Um, who should be a cop, says T-Bone. Someone with empathy, compassion, and is a free thinker, not an order follower, someone that has lived life and is normal, not effing, not an effing square. I'm I'm with that. Now, something to

Training Reps And Small Departments

SPEAKER_03 16:15

consider. I want you guys to think about any job you've ever had, okay? Um, any job you've ever had, there's that beginning part where you're learning it. And while you're learning the job, you're not thinking like you normally think. You're not acting yourself. You're not being that confident person that you probably are any other time. You know, where you can just have cat, because you're you're you're trained in and you're trying to think of it. Now, as a cop goes, I want you guys to kind of consider this was my this was my perspective when I went through. I they scared the shit out of me in the academy. Like, you know, you violate somebody's rights, you're going to prison, da-da-da-da-da. Like, so when you first are making contact with people, what's going through my mind constantly was, do I have a right to stop this person? Is this person committed to an offense? What is the offense? Okay, let me go down that line. If it's this offense, what would that level be? And like this is going through my mind instead of just going up and just figuring out what's going on. Hey, you know, Officer Levine, how can I help you? You know, or Officer Levine, hey, I need to talk to you real quick. This is what we got. Like, I can just be myself because I've done the job for so long. But when I first started, I probably sounded like a robot myself because you're just you're just locked in trying to learn everything and make sure you've got it down. You need the reps because it's a perishable skill. And this is where I it's not an intentional, I'm not trying to knock small town departments, but it's it's just statistics. Where I work, there's a million calls for service a year or more. The reps that you get as an officer is amazing because you can't avoid them. There's 40 calls or more waiting as soon as you get on shift. You're just taking calls after call after call. Because of those reps, you get really comfortable with the job really quick. And you can start to be yourself quicker and faster. But where you see the small town departments, they screw up a lot more because they don't have the reps. You know, you you get a 20-man department that's only get not all 20-man departments only get a few calls a year, by the way. Look at the Chicagoland area. They got some small departments, but they're dealing with all the Chicagoland, you know, shenanigans. And so they get a ton of calls and a ton of reps, but they they all you know overlap each other. So um, what is Program Bang Gamer saying over here? Jay ProGamer, you're trash, your grammar's terrible. So um that would be your with an apostrophe R E. Just so if you're gonna talk shit, do it properly. Um so my point being, uh, what the fuck was I talking about? Um, oh, knowing the job and getting the reps in on the smaller departments, they they don't get the reps typically, so that's why you see them screw up more, they act like robots longer, because they're not handling this stuff that often. So just something to consider.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Uh I'm hoping that we're uh what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_03 19:29

We're all proud of him. What's banning proud of me for? Uh let me see. Aim high, vote low, millions must go. I don't know what we're talking about. Noly Crooked. Just going over to the comment section. Um Stormbringer said, I live in a nice area, but was from a rougher neighborhood here in Jersey. Yeah, Jersey can be some rough bush, I've heard. Um looking over at TikTok.

Personal Liability Insurance Debate

SPEAKER_03 19:57

How do you feel about personal malpractice insurance for officers rather than city coverage? Um, I think that that could be a working model, but I think you're not going to get qualified um candidates. So let me let me explain why. So this is over on TikTok if you're wondering where this is at. Um it's by Die Little Gina, I guess that's the name. Um anyway, if you get personal liability insurance, okay, who's going to apply for that job? Do you let's go down that logical, you know, and rational train of thought. Like me, I always wanted to be a cop. Not always, but when I when I started wanting to be a cop, I knew that's what I wanted to do. So I know I want to be a cop and I'm looking at it, right? Does it require a four-year degree? In some places, is that going to entice me or push me away? It depends on the incentive for having a four-year degree. Is it gonna help pay my student loans back? Is it gonna like is there a benefit? Am I gonna get more pay? Um, because that makes a difference, right? Um, and then the other side of that is okay, now I've got to get personal insurance. Okay, now I got to start weighing my options. Why do I need personal insurance? Why aren't they insuring me themselves? Oh, because there's a high likelihood of things going wrong. Okay, well, maybe I don't want to do that job. Maybe I want to go do something else because now I'm gonna have to try to pay my own insurance. What's that cost look like? Is the department gonna pay me more for covering myself? Because doctors have malpractice insurance, right? And I think that's kind of what we're referring to. Well, are you gonna pay me like you pay a doctor? I doubt it. Well, okay, so the pay is not gonna be anything significant. Why do I want to go be a cop now? It's not a it isn't just about the pay, but I guarantee if you don't make the risk versus reward somewhat even, if not a little bit more lopsided, you're not going to get the people you want doing the job doing it. You're going to get the bottom of the barrel. And do you think policing is going to improve or get worse over time if you do that? I would suggest, I would think, it's just my personal opinion, doesn't mean I'm right. I would think it's going to get worse. So something to consider. Um looking over at Instagram, uh Cal J. Folk said, Who should be a cop? A person who wants to help everyone, the same way they would want a cop to help them. You have to control your smiles and your cries on the street. Smiles and cries. Oh, what movie was that from? Smiles and Cries. I remember that. That was um training day, smiles and cries. Just trying to trying to pull a little fast one on me with his quote there. I know that quote. Um, that's my autistic ability, is quoting movies. Uh looking over at the chat, I agree with the personal insurance for cops. We need cops to hesitate before potentially violating someone's civil rights. If they do violate someone's rights, the person deserves a cash payout. You already get a cash payout. Yeah, this is the other thing. Do you think that just because they have self-insurance that the department's not going to get sued? Like that's just going to magically stop the department from having to pay out or the city from having to pay out. You're just going to get paid by the city. That personal insurance for that cop isn't is probably going to be negligible because they're not going to be worth much themselves. So our guy. Um I've been learning it myself. These guys have been, they've done really well. Uh Marine Blood really knows his shit. Um, Brian really knows his shit on there. Uh, there's some really good guys on our Discord that can can help out. Um, another thing that I I've I've reached out to the crew, and we want to start doing kind of like this, but on our Discord where we all jump on, and you guys can just bullshit and chat with us on there. Uh, and that kind of removes the I have us having to get into the studio, stuff like that. So uh Cal J Funk over there, he said training day, lol. He's laughing at me. Um Ariel said the issue is public, it has is when there's someone's rights violation. The money gets paid, but who actually gets held accountable? Yeah, accountability is more your issue. Having personal insurance isn't going to fix your problem with that. You have to address the actual problem.

Qualified Immunity And Accountability Tradeoffs

SPEAKER_03 24:55

And this is where I get into the qualified immunity stuff. If you drop qualified immunity, you're just going to get bottom-of-the-barrel applicants. No logical and reasonable person is going to want to step into a job that is dynamic. Every situation is new and has never been done before. It doesn't matter how many robberies I work at a 7-Eleven, every single one of them has different factors and different things that have happened. So that is one of the reasons qualified immunity was created was to uh address that, like, hey, we understand that shit happens on the fly. You got to make a decision, like sometimes in an instant, and you can make the wrong one. So we're going to try to cover you for that. The problem with qualified immunity is the the when people lose it, nothing's happening. So things need to be adjusted there on the accountability side. But if you drop qualified immunity, you're going to get less qualified applicants. You're not going to get the people you want doing the job. And then there's a reason they came up with it. I mean, qualified immunity was invented for a reason. So does it need to be tweaked? Yes. I've said that so many times. It is bad. It doesn't work right. It needs to be fixed. But if you abolish it, you're just going to cause another problem. And if you try to do the self-insured thing, you're just going to cause more problems. You're going to get less qualified candidates. So, Mr. Billfold, we get the bottom of the barrel now. Uh, you think that. You don't. There's the are there shitty cops? 100%. T-bone, QI needs to go. Same with police unions. Abolish them immediately. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of police unions either. Like where I'm at, in Texas, you can't have a union. So what our what our union, which we call it an association, what they really do is they they just help on meet and confer stuff. So like when the contracts are new, like, hey, we want, you know, lemon-scented, you know, patrol cars, and we need to have uh 2% increase on our incentives for knowing another language and having our degrees or whatever. You know, it's just meet and confer shit. But that that's how I that's how I see that. Um uh Ariel, I agree with Eric, most cops are not out there violating rights on purpose. Most cops, not all cops. Um, yeah, I don't think they're out there doing on purpose. I think they have shit training and shit examples, poor culture within the department. Um and and they've never been checked on it. And that's where you see all these little dumb videos. Um qualified immunity does prevent justice. Pretending losing QI makes things worse is fear mongering and dishonest. No, it's not. Are you you saying I'm lying? It's not fear-mongering at all. It needs to be fixed, but it has absolutely nothing to fucking do with being dishonest or fear-mongering. If you lose it, if you drop it, you will not get the same qualified candidates that you think you're gonna get. You're just not. It's very easy.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Look how low recruiting is right now. It's at the lowest it's ever been in my 20 years.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

But if you get rid of it, you just you're just gonna get nobody that wants to put in for the job. Because of the perception that qualified immunity is going to protect them if they make a mistake. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, we know it's not true. How many cops have actually had to pay out of pocket? I think less than point something of a percent. Ever. If ever. I can't even name one. I'm sure Mr. Billfold knows of maybe one. But they never have to pay out even when they lose qualified immunity. But the perception that anybody that's gonna step in to be a cop, they think that they they think that they do. So it doesn't matter if they actually do or they don't.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

They're going to not put in because they think they might. But to but to say that it's dishonest. Is my wife in here? Did I miss?

SPEAKER_03 29:22

Oh, she is in here. I don't watch often because I get frustrated with people's comments sometimes. I get more offended than he does like leave my man alone. My wife. This is actually, I think it's the first time I think I've seen her in here. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Hey, honey.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

Um, so stop letting perception be a reason to have policies that prevent justice. I agree with you. I listen, Billfo, I agree with you. I'm not disagreeing with your point. I'm just telling you, my personal belief is if you do that, it's no different than cops having to worry about perception as it is. You know as well as I do. Sometimes if you do a punch to somebody's face when they're balling their fist and blading, versus him hawing around, sir, sir, put your hands behind your back, put your hands behind your back. Then we end up getting a larger use of force. Sometimes it's just the one quick hit and taking them down is the way to go. But perception is gonna make that cop look really bad. And have cops spend political pawns for stuff that makes them look bad, but we know it was just should have been done for sure. So whether we want it to be or not, perception is a part of it. So um T-bone said, pay out of pocket, not nearly enough. It it's not that it's not even not nearly enough, T-bone. I don't think it's ever happened. Um, when cops screw up, they need to be held fine. And that's the other thing. If you do hold them financially responsible, when they do lose qualified immunity, you're not really gonna get anything. Not much. For most cops. There are some departments that pay some crazy. I think Suffolk County pays some incredible, like I heard cops are making like 300 grand up there. Um, yeah, Anthony uh on LinkedIn said perception and context. If a cop cannot look at a math and see that less than 0.02% of cops who lose QR are held accountable, then the question is their intelligence and their competency. I I can't argue that. I can't argue that. But but again, that's to my point. It's just the perception. If if I were if there was a rumor going around that Teslas were randomly, if the if they're, and this is hypothetical in case Tesla's listening, but their batteries are just randomly just blowing up. Even though it's not true, let's just say only like 0.02% of their cars started to do that or have seen to do that. Uh, and then all of a sudden a bunch of people stop buying Teslas and the Tesla market goes way down. That's it's public perception, right? So um, all right. Let's uh let's move to somebody else's comment. I'm retired and I'm more fit than 75% of cops. I yeah, I'm with you on that. And I'm not retired. Um we can't make them work out. Too many calls for service and no time on the clock to hit the gym. Yeah, that is a problem. Um, I think you should be making time for them to get fit, should have a facility provided for them, or maybe a gym that's close by, you pay for a membership for them, something. Because if your requirements are to be fit and do a PT test and all that stuff, then you should be providing that for them to do that. Um, you know, look at the military. Military provides all the stuff that you need. Um, so uh T-Bone said, bullshit, you can get their personal vehicle, their boat, etc. I don't have a boat. Um, my car's paid off. So, I mean, if you want to take my car, uh the only thing cops will understand is if they mess up, taking their money. I would rather them be held criminally liable. I think that's more of the thing. Harrison dropping 20 memberships on us. You it's because my wife's on here. You're trying to show off Harrison, aren't you? You son of a bitch. Thank you, brother. Uh guys, anybody that donates towards the show, just know that it goes right back into the show. Uh try to do these things more often to support the stuff that we're doing. But uh, it's always appreciated. Thank you very much, Harrison. Harrison always spoils us too. Between Harrison and Craig and Ariel, um, we've got our regulars that really do spoil the show. So we really appreciate it. I'm just looking through the people that got a membership. I'm just seeing if it's anybody that's on right now. See if we can give them a little shouty shout. Um K-palm actually asked a cool question.

Consent Decrees And Civilian Oversight

SPEAKER_03 34:11

Didn't Colorado get rid of QI? Yeah, the thing is, is it's federal. It's no different than a state getting rid of uh weed laws. Yeah, the state's not gonna prosecute you on weed, but you could get federally charged. So it's the same thing with qualified immunity. The state can say, eh, they're not, and then as soon as they appeal and it goes up to the federal level, you're gonna get your qualified immunity back.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

Um so um let me see here.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

I'm just looking through the big old pile of memberships here. Okay. Um just bearded Tim, one of our other mods, is on. He said, I think if a department has a lot of lawsuits, the FBI needs to step in and handle things. That just doesn't happen. Well, yeah, sure it does. Consent decree. Um I don't know if that's the FBI that handles that. Actually, let me look that up. Um Who handles consent decrees on police departments? I'm thinking it's Department of Justice. I'm asking the uh chattist of GPTs. Uh the DOJ Civil Rights Division investigates departments for potential patterns or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing. So independent monitoring team is commonly appointed to evaluate compliance reports and progress to the court. The police chief doesn't simply decide we're done with this the consent decree. Ultimately, the federal courts when the decree is modified or terminated. So they they do have something like that already in place. I knew about consent decrees, I just wasn't 100% sure on that process. Um, I'm I'm glad I was right. It is the DOJ. So sometimes I can sound like I know what I'm talking about. Um, Mr. Billfield said, I've given up on holding individual tyrants accountable. I simply want QI abolished so we can get case law. QI is completely bereft uh of any good reason to support it. Um I'm one of those guys and like pull the band-aid, see what happens. I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better. Maybe they'll come up with something different. Maybe you actually have a good point, Mr. Billfold. Maybe we we get rid of it to create something new. Stop calling it qualified immunity. That's a fun game. Mr. Bilfold, I'm gonna leave this one up to you, sir. If we were to call it something new, not qualified immunity, what would you call it? What would you call it? Some sort of new version tweaked where they have to come up with new case law and set precedents and all that stuff. What would you call it? Um federal courts have no say about LEO suits and state court. I'm not talking about suits. We're talking about consent decrees and um having multiple accusations and civil rights things. Because when you go to civil court, those involve suits because you have civil law suits. So yeah, the feds actually do kind of have some say because they can put a fucking consent decree on you. Um what about a civilian oversight board instead of IA? Um, I think having both is a good thing. Like where I'm at, I think we call it the um police oversight monitor or something like that. Um is like the nickname they call it. Uh and I think they're great. I think they're really good. Uh, I think they do great things. I I love having an oversight board. Um I actually I had our oversight lady on, Bon Seal. Uh she's she's really good at her job. She's been here for years now. Um, I think I had her on the podcast two or three years ago. I actually I invited her back on because I kind of want to get her impression of you know, coming to a new city um and and just seeing what that experience has been like because traditionally she's been, and I don't do politics so long, but she was she was doing them in blue cities and now she's more in a red city. So I'm curious what that difference is and seeing and learning from her experience over the last couple of years. Uh just curious. Uh Ariel dropped five bucks in the super chat. Thank you, Ariel. You said, I don't like unions because they don't keep bad cops in and they don't fight for cops that goes against the so-called brotherhood. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Um oftentimes, if you get kind of a whistleblower cop, the unions turn their back on them. Um, but then when you get a cop that obviously did something terrible, they they back him uh instead of calling him out. Um Mr. Billfold, touch there. He goes, you already have the reasonableness standard, Graham vs. Connor. Uh that's not that's not the game, Mr. Billfold. Play the game. I told you it's a game. Come up with a name, sir. Stop using fucking logic. That's boring. Nerd. Mr. Billfold, fucking nerd. Go weld something. If you guys don't know, Mr. Bill Fold's a badass welder. So uh my man, he can. I I think the last time I talked to him, he was fixing a donut truck. Like a like a taco truck, but for donuts. He was fixing one of those. I envy that skill set. He is a man that will never have to worry about work. He should always find work. Um, it's very cool. I got a lot of respect for for welders. I go, we got a friend back home. He's I think a plumber and a welder. A little shout out to Richie Young. Um he says, I think it's time for another QI debate. I'm already, I'm ready to embarrass some QI supporters and shame them. I feel like that's kind of mean-spirited, Mr. B. I don't want, I don't want angry Mr. B on here. I want lighthearted, have fun. Let's let's chat this out. Um I did invite, let me find, I'm gonna pull this up. I did invite a guy that had a really good qualified immunity um discussion going on on Instagram. I'm gonna pull his chat up. Let me find him. Give me one second, y'all. I'm trying to find there he is. Scott Mackenzie. Um, I'm gonna go to his profile. Uh let me see here. Okay, I'm gonna share the screen. Sharing, sharing, sharing. Okay.

A Wild Qualified Immunity Case

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Uh let me switch this around so we can biggie size this. So shout out to this page, Mackenzie Scott Law. Um, and I think this guy's name is Tim, but uh this is one of the videos I watched.

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With qualified immunity. The preposterously wrong, the exquisitely wrong, sometimes is so wrong that it creates qualified immunity. This one is set in Coffee County, Georgia, where deputies chased a suspect into a family's yard. Children are playing outside. Officers order everyone on the ground at gunpoint, including the kids, and everybody complies. The suspect is taken into custody without incident, but then the family dog wanders over. By all accounts, the dog wasn't threatening the officer or doing anything in particular, and the officer fires off a shot at the dog anyway. The dog goes away, and then the dog comes back, and the officer fires again, this time hitting a 10-year-old boy in the leg, the child who was laying where the officers told him to lie. His mother sued. The 11th Circuit threw out the case on qualified immunity. Why? Because she couldn't produce a prior case with facts like these. Nobody had litigated, apparently, and there was no published decision on an officer shooting a child while shooting at a non-threatening dog. It had not come up before.

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So you guys get the point. I I don't know if he has this on YouTube as well, and I don't want it to possibly get it get us yanked. Um, I'm I'm in the middle of a copyright argument right now with a video we shared the other day temporarily on here. It had music on it, and I didn't cut it quick enough. So uh for those that think, um, for those that think that the the police don't get demonetized and pulled down like the like the auditors are right now. One, Matt Thornton. If you weren't on earlier, Matt Thornton got demonetized. He's not a First Amendment auditor. So now I'm really mining my P's and Q's to try to keep us afloat and see see what happens. Um we may be busting over to Patreon and and Rumble if they come after me. But is what it is, I guess, you know. Can't control it. Um OTI said QI is court created and therefore flawed and abused more than legisl than a legislative version. Um Eric, pull up my post from Discord and read. I am not pulling up, you probably went ham. I don't even have Discord pulled up. I've got my my screens are full, sir. Anyway, um I got him all riled up on QI and now I'm like blue balling them. So this is this is my mind games with Mr. Billfold today. I get him all wound up. Now he's gonna go take it out on all his 40 cats he has. Uh mist does Mr. Billfold have a YouTube channel? No, he Don't but you know what? Maybe we can uh we can branch him off of TCOD and create the Mr. Bill Fold show. And his whole show can just be him roasting me and just putting, like, all right, today Levine said this bullshit, and uh let's let's pick it apart. That would actually be pretty funny. Um, and informative because your boy does his homework for sure. Mr. B does his homework. I just like getting him wound up. Uh, he's got really great points. Um, looking over at TikTok, uh, we talked about you can get qualified lawyers and doctors with personal malpractice insurance. Oh, he's going back to that. Um, yeah, that's fair, but you're not paying them doctors and lawyers uh price. Cops are paid way less. Um, let me see. He said, Wow, watching your P's and Q's because your fellow cops are acting to silence critics. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that all the shit that we do on here, like I could fall right in line with what Matt does and get yanked, and then what message am I gonna be able to put out then? I would have no message. So get Vaughn on. So Mr. B shoots hearts in the chat. Shoots in the heart in chat. Uh I know, right? Um, well, I want to get this that video I just showed you. I I reached out to them. Sounds like they're interested. So I'd love to get them on. And uh he is a person that that obviously knows QI and and isn't looking at it as a cop perspective, so I want to get the different perspective. I've also been trying to get clearly established. Um, Southern Draw Law has been reaching out for me. I just haven't heard anything back yet. Um Ariel upped his membership. Appreciate you, brother. Um, you two stop flirting in my chat. That's a visual I don't need to see between Bill Fold and Banning. Um anyway. All right, let me go back to Let me go back here.

Why So Many Officers Respond

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Um why do multiple cops show up for one person? You see six people show up and assume uh an excessive response, uh that question got brought up. And there's a multitude of reasons. One, boredom. There's nothing going on. Two, laziness. And let me explain. If you take a call, okay, so let's say 911 calls out, hey, there's an armed robbery at the 7-Eleven occurring right now at the corner of First and Maine. The officer that chimes up on the radio and says, I'll take that. They are the ones responsible for the report. Any other responding officer, and this is not at every department, but every department I've ever witnessed does it the same way. Every other officer that shows up, now he just gets to go play and he doesn't have to do the work. He, you know, he has a chance to, you know, maybe chase after a bad guy, do that, but they don't have to really type anything up. They got to give the information to the sheet officer, the one that said, I'll take it, and they're the ones that have to type up the report. So you yeah, you have less work to do when you're not the sheet officer. Um, because the scene is technically yours as the sheet officer. So if there's a crime scene, whatever it is, you know, you're in charge of saying, you know, hey, banning, go over there and start doing a log, you know, crime scene log. And, you know, you, Mr. Bill Fold, I want you to go over there and start taking pictures of uh the scene and all that stuff. So um you you're the one that has to dictate what happens and all that. Um officers will jump on your sheet to avoid having to do the sheet itself. Um, or if there's another call that they don't want to do, they'll jump on with you just because they're trying to avoid another call that's probably a BS call or something that they they're not interested in or lack the confidence to go do. So that's why you get a bunch of people that show up on a scene sometimes. Um, and then the other side is the obvious stuff, like you know, person with a weapon. Like you want as many people to go to that call as you can. You know, there's uh a big fight going on. Yeah, you want as many people as you can. So that's why you get so many people that show up. Um, it doesn't mean you always need that many and doesn't mean that they need to be there. Um let me see here. Uh free in here? I didn't see it. Freeman Keys. There he is. What's up, free? Uh Ariel for five bucks in the super chat. Thank you again, sir. He said, do you use Axon Draft One for assistance with report writing? I don't think so. Uh-uh. Not where I'm at. You got to write your report out. Um I don't think we use any AI for our report writing, not yet. Um, there is automatic transcription from video, body cam video, that you can you can see. Um, we use that as an uh auditing tool. So if you hear, you know, like if officer's cursing or something like little things, like you can see that in the transcript. It just makes auditing easier. Um let me see here, Mr. Billfold. He's just trying to, he's he's in a mood today. They show up in force because they are public, they are the public enemy. Because the public are the enemy, as far as the academy training goes. It ain't like that. Um hey, Mr. B, reticle and horizontal platforms have different chat rooms. I clicked on the different video in vertical mode, and there are different comments in there. Yeah, vertical is an odd duck. It is the more popular duck, though. We get a tremendous amount more views on our vertical than we do on our horizontal. Um, Kelly over in the thing. Eric, we should get rid of these smaller departments and just make the county department larger. That's an idea. The more reps and better training, uh, but you possibly lose community members patrolling. Yeah, that's kind of an odd idea. I never thought of that. What do you guys think about that? Oh, Twitchy's in here. What's up, Twitchy? What do you think about getting rid of the smaller departments and ingesting them into more of a county department? Falling under sheriffs more or the city department more, maybe making the city and the township all one thing. What would you guys think about that? That's an interesting theory. I never really thought about that. It would consolidate training. Um and I'm not sure. Vertical is the mobile default. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. That's good. I was saying if I'm gonna watch on my phone, I I prefer the vertical. I don't know if you guys do. Um the Don said, I had found out yesterday. I don't think my messages were coming through on vertical. That's when I switched to the horizontal.

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Oh good to know.

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Um and then Kelly over on TikTok also said, Should we just militarize the police force that way? There's a federal standard training. No, I'm 100% against federalizing the police. No, thank you. Then you're gonna get really poor training. Um, no way. You need your police force to fit the culture of the city they're in. That's my opinion. Uh, my mom or my wife. Are you drinking our daughter's energy drink? No. I'm not, because there's nothing in this. Uh I needed caffeine. Leave me alone. Uh Woody Allen said, just want to say what's up. Nice to see you doing your thing. Oh shit. Woody from high school. What's up, brother? What are the odds? Holy shit. That's awesome. What's up, man? It's always cool to see people from uh back home jump on here. I don't really advertise it to anybody uh back home. So it's always cool to see some support. Thanks a lot. Uh, you know, we're sitting pretty good right now. Um you guys are still going on about the I haven't heard from Wade. There's Wade. What's going on, Wade? Wade said, what about taking care of your own shit cops that should be used? Your own shit cops should be used violence and and felony calls only. Okay. I'm I think I'm let me put that back up there. What about taking care of your own shit? Cops should be used for violent and felony calls only. Uh, you're gonna get a lot of pushback from that. And here's I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not. I'm fine with that model. If that's what the citizens want, I will go to that any day. The problem's going to be you have just as many, if not more, people that are gonna say, no, I want cops out there enforcing traffic. I want cops out there doing this and doing that. All the things that you hate about cops, there's just as many people saying they want their cops doing that. You don't believe me? Go to a town hall meeting. You go to a town hall meeting, and there's stupid things that I'm like, why do you care about that stuff? It is so inconsequential when in the grand scheme of things. But that is what it is. Um let me see here. Ariel said, federal law enforcement is not bound by the 1984 section, so you can't use them for rights violations. I didn't know that off the top of my head. I think that's right, though. I think that is right. Captain Crunch, I like it. I live in Michigan, and a lot of the rural towns around me don't have their own police. They pay county to patrol. Yep, I've seen that. Beav99 for life said, Hi, Sarge. I found out about your podcast through you having auditors on. I wonder if you think attorneys doing video reviews are now are now more effective than auditors. Um, I think auditors are very effective. It just depends on what you mean by effective. If you mean getting on social media, uh I guess that that's also a help. But First Amendment auditors in themselves have created a lot of great training at police departments. So that's why I've always been one of those that I'm like, I support it. I think it's great. There's some that I don't care for their style, but my feeling doesn't trump their rights. You know what I mean? So um what he said, what up? Uh Wade said, sorry, just woke up. I know I've been getting up earlier and uh banning. Yes, he's drinking her energy drink. Hey, my daughter's only 14. She shouldn't be having energy drinks. There we go. I just daded, I dad reversed that. See what I did there? I dad reversed it. Um Kelly P over on TikTok said, I mean it would be different than the military as we know it today, but standardize. Yeah, you can't standardize that. I think you can standardize, I think we should standardize use of force. If we're gonna take one portion of policing and standardize it, I think it should be use of force. Um Twitchy said, Yep, Twitchy, we've already we've discussed this. We discussed it yesterday and today about the auditors getting all demonetized. Um Yeah, see, K-Palm gets it. Eric, saving though saving her from those energy drinks, right? Just protecting my kid. Protecting my kid. Uh most abuses occur in traffic encounters, most egregious violations occur during violent encounters. Um that's that's a fair statement. It the most the most abuse usually occurs on the smallest of issue. That's why they stand out so much. But if I get in a knockdown, drag out fight with somebody and all of a sudden I have to switch over to deadly force, most people are like, oh my God, that was a high use of force, but uh I kind of see why. But if I go right to Deadly Force in a regular encounter, like a small encounter, people tend to be like, all of this because the person jaywalked, and then that's when it gets really bad. So there's a lot of truth behind that statement.

Pretext Stops And Smart Traffic Enforcement

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Um Babora or Bora Bora, 4480 over on YouTube said Denver City Council is considering a statute to eliminate pretextual stops. I think that is a big mistake. Your thoughts done properly, these stops are critical. Everything goes into when when it comes to things like this, pretextual stops, whatever, I feel like it needs to be it has to kind of be like RAS. You need to be able to reasonably articulate why you're doing what you're doing. And let me let me explain. If I'm watching a known dope house and cars are leaving every five minutes all night long, and then I look for a traffic violation to pull over one of those cars that left, that makes sense. I am I I have a community outreach that has a problem with this house. They know that they're dealing dope. So we got a tip from the community that wants us to watch this house. Now we're making these pretextual stops on those vehicles. That makes sense. You can articulate that. So in that case, pretextual stops make sense, but then you got to worry about the abuse side of it. Where is that line?

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Who makes that call?

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So pretextual stops have, you know, they have six, seven, and over here. They they have a good and a bad. So what do you guys think? Um, F theGov says in the city I live in, a lot of the community wants the police to enforce their feelings. And the police department does that for them. That's a problem. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. And that's exactly what I'm getting at. When you go to these town hall meetings, community meetings, and that stuff, you hear some wild things they want the police to enforce. One of the biggest ones is traffic. Whether it's in a neighborhood, on the freeway, a stretch of area. Um, now for me, if you're going to enforce traffic, again, I go back to, all right, let's do it intelligently. Where do we have a bunch of accidents occurring? Where, where are our statistics pointing that we have a ton of accidents? All right, let's get the traffic unit over there. First, let's see if it's a if it's a strategic um traffic setup issue. Like, do we have, is is the speed limit too slow here? Is it too fast? Do we have a missing stop sign? Or, you know, is there like a quick fix, something that we can change so we don't have to do enforcement? So again, it's got to be intelligence led. So then if I'm gonna go and there's a bunch of accents over there and I see there's nothing wrong with signs, um, do we need to switch over to a signal light? Okay, the signal light isn't the issue. It's just we got people know there's no enforcement over here, and there's just people egregiously speeding. Okay. Um, well, let's see what we can do with it. Maybe speed bumps. Like I'm always trying to figure out a way to avoid the enforcement side first. And if none of those can seem to work, now we'll get into the forcement enforcement side. But you can articulate it. So when people ask or they complain, I'm like, we're not just over here willy-nilly just trying to write tickets. We're here because there's a reason. Versus that city where you're like, nobody speeds to that city because all they do is write tickets. They write everybody a ticket for every little thing. Like, you know, those cities. I got one, I got two of them that are right by where I'm at. Uh one rhymes with Wantiago and the other rhymes with uh what's the other one? Uh it rhymes with Barlington. So um they write tickets like crazy. Or I'm sorry. Rhymes with Bell Worthington. Um, but yeah, that that's a that's a thing. Um Wade is correct. It's hardly ever done right. It's the fishing ID crack element of the LEL culture that cops cherish most. That's a problem. It is a problem, for sure. Uh my wife, I want others to respond with you. Safety are in numbers. Showing up alone can be the most dangerous option. Yeah, it just depends on the call. You know, I'm not I'm not showing up to a domestic by myself. Um, but I think the problem is, is like, you know, it's it's that call where you see six, seven. I did it again, I didn't mean to, uh, six, seven officers. Um I'm never gonna let that go, by the way. It's a thing forever now for me. Um like saying word. I that's like my most common response on a text message when somebody asks me to do something. So word, never gonna let that go. Uh banning the banning the gardens, right? I know. The gardens, they write tickets like I think this this little department, and I'm talking, they probably have 10 cops. I don't know, maybe less. Maybe they got more, I'm not sure, but they write more tickets than the entire city of Arlington, which is crazy when you look at the difference in size. Uh the other problem is cops look for felony, even for a broken taillight, fishing is a huge problem. Um again, it goes into what are the demands of the city and the citizens? For everybody that gets mad at a cop for fishing, there's other people that are like, why are why aren't they doing more? Why aren't they looking? There's obviously something wrong there. Why didn't they look more? Who's right? How do you tell another citizen that their wants and needs for the city are wrong? And then you got your whole evaluation thing. You know, people you you might get judged on your evaluation for doing the bare minimum. These are all things to consider. Not saying they're right or wrong, but just trying to make your minds look at more than just what you think. Um you gotta look at what other people that's all I guess I get to do as a cop. I have to worry about what everybody's thinking. So Wade goes, I'm right. Love it. Um what's uh James James Madison Audits put out an infrared video on flock cams. This proves they don't do video. It also showed a different cam that did. Well, if it's a different cam, then is it it's not an LPR, is it? It's a different camera. It could be an actual camera. Just gotta know what the differences are. Like there's PTZ cameras. Like where in my city we've we've got um access PTZ cameras. They just look like a little dome, and inside that camera can turn and zoom in and do all that stuff. So we have those. They're not they're not looking for information or anything, it's just a camera, but that's what they can do. Um, so fishing is okay if you're being evaluated. I did I say that? Don't try to play those stupid fuck fuck games with me, Wade. I don't play that stuff. Don't put words in my mouth. Now you have to ask, do you care about, do you want your cops to be proactive or not? If you want proactive police, they're going to be fishing in a way. Are they not? Again, if you're going to be fishing according to your definition, I just think it needs to be, it has to have some sort of criminal intelligence that had led you to that. Not just you randomly picking an area and gun. I'm going to pull every over every third car that I see do a traffic offense or something like that, and then see what I can find. I want it to be in an area that's got major violence problems and, you know, can show that these particular, you know, we're looking for these types of cars because we keep getting reports of a Mustang that's done a drive-by or whatever it is. Like you need to be able to articulate why you're over and doing what you're doing. I think as long as you have some sort of intelligence that can be statistically backed up, that's police work. It is what it is. Um I am for proactive policing. 100%. Uh you tell them that they wants and b their wants and beliefs do not fall within the law, so they will not be enforced. Yeah, I I agree. You just gotta do it tactfully so you don't alienate your community. But yeah, um, Uncle Fatty said, Where are you going? Where you been? Any rocket launchers with you today? Yeah, shit like

How To Shut Down Fishing

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that. Uh learning that you don't have to answer a cop's questions, that's the best piece of advice I can give everybody. You don't have to answer their questions. Say I'm not answering questions. When you shut up, you have eliminated 99.9% of the problems that they c a cop can give you. Because if they are fishing, your words are gonna get you in trouble. 100%. Don't answer questions. Any lawyer is going to tell you that. I'm not a lawyer, but don't answer questions. Um what'd Wade say? He's giving me shit. He goes, also, if you're gonna fish, please, please come up with something other than where did you come from and where are you headed? I know, right? Yeah, that's true. That is true. Um, Mr. Bilfo, dude, it's not a problem with the fishing per se. It's the LEO response to a citizen shutting down the fishing that is the problem. Agreed. Uh respect you are gonna give you the respect. I I respect you are gonna fish for shit. Cops don't like refusals. And that is that's the that's the right on the nose. That is the problem. That's where cop ego comes in. So I'm hoping my cops that are listening, when somebody shuts you down, you just gotta, you gotta respect the game. Respect the game. They know the laws, they know their rights, which is awesome, which is what we want. Um, but again, this is the point is to bridge the gap with the community. So if I'm going to give advice to police and and chat, tell me, because some of you guys are not, um you guys are very anti-bad cop, which is great. I tell me if I'm wrong on this, but um, it is my belief, if I'm ever going to bridge the gap with people that don't care for the police, I need to educate them on their rights just as much as I would if I'm giving Miranda, right? There's a requirement to give Miranda warnings. Why is that? To help protect people, to inform them of their rights. So I'm of the opinion, if I'm going on a fishing expedition, the first thing out of my mouth should be like, hey, you're free to go, but before you do, you know, I wanted to ask you some questions, and you you don't have to answer these. Like you're under no requirements to answer these questions. But I was just curious, where are you coming from? Where are you going? You know, if that's the question you want to ask. A lot of times what I'll lead off with is hey, here's some of the issues we're having in the neighborhood, and this is why I pulled you over. Um, and this is why I'm asking you questions. You're under no obligation to answer these questions. Um, but if you wish to talk to me and have a consensual talk, this is what I want to like informing that person of their rights as you go. I think that that's if you're gonna go fishing, you do educated fishing. So that that so that person has absolutely uh no excuse or uh misunderstanding about what's going on. And you're educating the public on their rights. They're learning as they go and they start to build trust with, I think they would build trust with their department or that department that pulled them over because they're being upfront and honest about what they're out there trying to do without giving away any trade secrets or, you know, like obviously if I'm looking for a serial killer and there's only certain things that this guy does, MOs, I'm not gonna go out in the community and say, oh, we're looking for this, you know, serial killer. You don't got to answer any questions, but this is his MO that we know about. Like, you're not gonna give that stuff away. You'll jeopardize the investigation. But if I'm pulling over cars because they're speeding through a neighborhood because there was a three-year-old that was hit the other day on their bike, they're gonna be okay, but we're doing stuff over here, and you know, hey, you drive through here a lot, like things like that. Um, K-palm, yeah, but I think you are a rare breed of cop, Eric.

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Well, I might be a rare breed, but it it goes to exposure.

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You I wouldn't probably be this way if I hadn't seen some other cops do it. It's the and I just kind of put, you know, I see a cop do something I really like, I I take that tool. I see another cop do something I really like, I take that tool. So maybe by me having these discussions and putting this stuff out there, that's kind of my theory is that another cop will hear me say it and be like, oh, I never considered that before. I never thought of it like how we do the Miranda warning. What is the purpose behind the Miranda warning? Well, it's to educate people on their rights so they don't, you know, incriminate themselves. Because let's face it, not everybody knows all the laws and the rules. And it is an unfair system. It's as fair as we can try to make it, but I I'm all about trying to keep that balance as best I can and earn that trust. So um remember that short you did on a state trooper punching that young lady. There was more that happened before that part of the video that involves trooper ego. Um, I kind of do uh yeah, I think when he took her down at the back of the car. I'm sure there is more to it. Why are you bringing up old shit? Um, two cops, one donut. Once a cop asked me, where are you coming from? I asked, I said, ask your girlfriend. The cop said, Why would she know? I said, I asked, uh, think about it for a minute. Right? That's funny. That's funnier that he didn't get it at first. Ballsy, though. Ballsy. I used to live in housing projects. Cops stop me every other day. Where are you coming from? That way. Where are you going? That way. I love when people have fun on a stop. I love it. I like when they play games with me. It's fun for me. I'm just like, okay, this one's different. But it goes into mindset and how you handle the job. I think that's why I've been able to do it for so long and keep a positive image of it. Because I've never, I don't go into it like serious. That's a bad way to put it. I am serious about it. I mean, obviously, if if I'm catching a petty Freddy or somebody that's violent or whatever, like serious face comes on, I guess. Not really. I'm usually smiling the whole time. Can't help it. Uh Woody said, Don't forget, at the core, you're a good human being. I try to be. I appreciate that. Banning said, My first traffic stop as a canine officer years was for speed, 30 miles per hour over the posted. See? There you go. Sometimes a little education goes a long way. Sometimes their uh their history also goes a long way. You pull someone over and they've got a history of just reckless driving. Um, I was once told I look like I could afford it. I oh, that's crazy. That was over on Instagram from Monique Anthony. Um, looking over at TikTok. Diamond Prize pool. Somebody over there trying to uh advertise. Um he said I deleted the second half of that. Uncle Fatty said, Where are you going? Your mamas, where are you coming from? Yo aunties and your bald headed granny. I remember that. Hell yeah. All right, boys and

Wrap-Up And Where To Listen

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girls. Um I just I'm trying to knock out an hour, maybe an hour and a half a day. If we can do some lives every morning, that'd be great. Maybe we can get my wife more involved. Uh that would be fun. I'm trying to convince her to start up a uh a nurse, uh nurse um page and channel. I think she could do some really great things. She's all about education as well, and she's got a unique perspective, so help me encourage her to do that. But I am gonna go in there and give her a kiss, maybe eat some breakfast and then start getting ready for work later on. But everybody, I appreciate all the feedback, all the uh all the engagement is what the community we really have here. We have great engagement. Woody, thanks for jumping on. I got some some people from back home. Woody, spread the word, brother. Let people know. I've been doing this five and a half years now. Uh maybe it's time I start appealing to our peeps back home. But we have our live podcast every Sunday night, 8 p.m. Eastern. Uh, we are on every platform. Um, every podcast we do like this, we also put it on our audio. So you can find us on Spotify, Apple, um, and then any other major podcast platform. So if you if you don't like watching or you want to listen to something on the way to and from work, you can do that. Um, but everything that we do is about bridging the gap, having these conversations, holding uh bad police accountable, and making good police an example. Um, like today's video. It was a great video that I put out. Uh, if you catch that short or real, it's um cop using jujitsu. Great standing Kimura takedown, used great control. This is why I believe every cop should be a blue belt minimum in jujitsu. Uh, I am a purple belt, I've been rolling since 2006. I will probably never get higher than that until I actually spend some time in the gym regularly and be consistent enough. Is what it is. But uh Black Eagle 71 said, should promote here more. Unsure how to show a link on here on YouTube. Yeah, guys, if you can find our rumble, it is under two cops, one donut. I think I have, I think it you can spell it all out and find it, but I think you can also put the number two cops and the number one donut. We're just trying to make that as a as a backup, just in case YouTube does ever get taken down. Um and then we have our Discord channel. So thank you guys for all the support. Do the you know teenage girl thing, like, follow, subscribe. I would appreciate that. Uh, you should put the channel on Discord so we can tell the tell the rest of the stories. Yeah, I it maybe one of my mods can pop it up there for me. Um, but yeah, guys, appreciate you. I will talk to you later and see you Sunday, 8 p.m. Eastern later.