Cops Arrest Them. Then What?

“Arrested again” is one of those phrases that instantly triggers a hot take. We slow it down and trace the real path from cuffs to court, because the gap between arrest and release is where most people’s assumptions live. I’m a working police sergeant, and I’m not interested in easy villains. I want to know what protects the public, what gives victims a meaningful response, and what protects an accused person who hasn’t been proven guilty.

We walk through the nuts and bolts of the criminal justice system: the probable cause arrest affidavit, the jail sergeant’s review, the first judge’s bond decision, and the reality that probable cause to arrest is a lower standard than proof beyond a reasonable doubt at trial. We also talk street-level case building that actually holds up later: preserving body cam video, taking injury photos the right way, documenting intent and offense elements, confirming identity with solid identifiers, and avoiding the trap of building a story in your head before the evidence is in.

Then we go where the accountability conversation usually gets awkward: courts. If police are expected to operate under transparency and scrutiny, what checks and balances exist for judges and prosecutors when release decisions go sideways? We brainstorm a practical reform a public transparency portal that shows who decided what, what was known at the time, what the law allowed, and the reason for releasing or detaining someone. We also tackle cash bail and fairness, plus tools like ankle monitors when jails are overloaded. If you care about bail reform, pretrial release, public safety, and due process, this one will make you think.

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Disclaimer And Ground Rules

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Welcome to Two Cops One Donut. I'm your host, Sergeant Eric Levine. Before we get started, here's a quick disclaimer. The views and opinions you're about to hear are those of the hosts and guests alone. They don't represent any police department, agency, sponsor, or employer. 2 Cops One Donut isn't responsible for anything said by guests or for any videos, clips, or content shown during the live stream. This show is intended for adult audiences only. We cover real incidents, we show graphic and sometimes disturbing footage, and we don't shy away from strong language or adult conversations. There may or may not also be alcohol involved. Viewer discretion is strongly advised. Everything you hear or see on the show is for entertainment and educational purposes. It is not legal advice and it's not tactical instruction. And it shouldn't be used for such. By continuing to watch, you're telling us that you understand, you accept all of this. All right, now let's get into it.

Why “Arrested Again” Keeps Happening

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All right, welcome back to Cops One Donut. I am your host, Eric Levine, and I realized I don't have my fancy background going.

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So I'm gonna fix that real quick.

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Now there we go. Um going over to the chat. Nobody in the chat yet. Just got started. Going to what today is gonna be about. Um cops. Uh cops arrest them, and then what? What happens after that? Um basically, picture this police arrest somebody, that person gets released later, and they get arrested again immediately. Everybody has uh somebody to blame. So the cops aren't doing their jobs, the prosecutors won't prosecute, the judge keeps letting people out. But what actually happens between those arrests? Because that's part of what I want to talk about today. So I'm working, uh, I am a working police sergeant. Uh I've been doing it 20 years. I haven't been a sergeant for 20 years, just been a cop 20 years. Um, I'm also in the military. I'm a military cop. So if you're not familiar with me, um, those are two things. Two things to consider when you hear me talking, whether I'm full of shit or not. Um I'm and the the platform that we have here is that cops uh they're not here, they don't get a free pass on the show. It's not an echo chamber. I'm not going to automatically um blame a judge whose decision I haven't looked at. I'm not going to automatically um blame cops for what's going on, but case by case basis. That's how we typically do things on here. It's more fair, more balanced, but when you try to live on the fence like I do, you get a lot more critics. So it is what it is. Um I want to know what would actually make the system work better. What protects the public? What gives victims meaningful response? Um, and what protects somebody who's accused but hasn't been proven guilty. So by the end of the conversation, I want you to tell me things that you would change and why, basically. When you hear, and I this is what I want to know from the chat. When you hear arrested again, what's the first thing you want answered? When you hear that somebody's been arrested again, because we've seen it time after time. You see, uh, I guess the most common one that I see is, or the one that I've seen lately is that poor immigrant Ukrainian girl that got stabbed on a, it was either a subway or a bus or something to that effect. But I think the dude that did it had been arrested several dozen times for serious assault things, and you see that he's back out, and you're like, what the hell? How the hell is this guy back out there? Looking at the chat, I see JT out there, our guys in the chat, Steve Wallace, Jerry, Holly. Holly's new. Um, what's going on, Holly? I'm glad we made uh made a regular uh person out of you coming back. Appreciate that. Um looking over to Instagram, we don't have a whole lot of people on there, but if you are over there on Instagram, just remember. Or on TikTok, if you're over on TikTok as well, just remember it is much easier to see your chats if you jump over onto our YouTube channel. Um looking at YouTube, as a matter of fact, there is something that I am supposed to do. I am supposed to somehow add a mod, and I don't know how to do it. Um so I am looking, trying to figure out how to add a moderator. I don't even think she's here, but once I add her, I don't have to do it again, is what I'm told. So I'm trying to figure that out, but of course, trying to do it during the live, I have no idea. Moderation settings. There we go. Moderators, here we go. Now we're learning some stuff.

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Let me see if I can get Nat Dog. And of course, it's not working. Alright, is what it is. I don't know how to uh work this son of a bitch.

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It's not working. Anyway. Well, I tried. Yeah, we apparently on TikTok. I didn't know this. If you're on TikTok and people start saying out-of-pocket stuff, like you can get in, I can be held liable for other people saying some crazy stuff on there. If I don't have a mod, then I'm kind of kind of screwed. Um, hey, it's me, Mr. Drew. What's up, Mr. Drew? What's going on, guys? Um Jerry's asking, why did they get out in the first place? Especially in cases of violence and rape. Yeah. Um, I you don't see that happening very often. I will say that. You don't typically see somebody that goes in for a violent offense get released, especially in the same day. Um in September, uh, in its September 3 update, the NYPD reported that 263 people had accumulated at least three felony assault arrests uh for this year. Um the corresponding figure in 2018 was 86. That's roughly a 206% increase in that particular group. But listen carefully, this does not mean crime is up 206%. Um the same release reported major crime down 6.2% compared to the first eight months of last year. Different measurements, different comparison periods. Um, so these are the preliminary New York City figures, not a finding about the entire country. They also don't tell what happened in every case. Um, they don't establish which arrested arrest results in convictions, why someone was released, or whether later arrests involved new conduct after that release. So the numbers are justifying the question. Uh, they don't by themselves prove that one judge or prosecutor or policy caused the problem. So, what I'm trying to ask you guys is what would you need to know about the case before deciding who failed? Like, who do we look at when we look at this stuff? I'm gonna I'm gonna defend my cops on this one. We have zero control over who gets to stay in jail, who gets out. Our job is to get them in the jail, assuming they deserve it, right? So we get them in there. Let's say it is a felony um assault, it is a violent case. We get them hooked up, we book them, we get them in there. Where we

Probable Cause Affidavits Explained

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can fail is on our affidavit. So just so you guys know, this is kind of how it works. Let's say I arrest Jerry. Jerry's in the chat, so I'm picking on Jerry. If I arrest Jerry for felony assault on Jerry's best friend, Jerry punched him right in front of a cop. I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, you can't do that. And the best friend's like, yeah, I want him to go to jail. Jerry, you're an asshole. So now we hook Jerry up. Jerry gets cuffed. Jerry goes into the police car, take Jerry down to the jail. Now I have to make what's called my PC arrest affidavit. So I'm basically explaining to the jail sergeant, and I'm explaining to the judge, hey, this is this is what occurred, and this is my probable cause for arrest. It's not the full report, but because that's such a simple example, you could pretty much put the full report in there. But I'm basically going to say that, you know, I'm Officer Levine on this date and this time, um, while I was at this location and I was on duty, I was in full uniform. Um, I was, you know, my marked police cruiser was parked uh next to me on the sidewalk that I was standing on when um suspect Jerry punched victim, such and such. Jerry is this is full name, date of birth. Um white male, like I'm given all the descriptors. Uh the victim is such and such, birth date description. Um Jerry used a closed fist uh and threw what is commonly known as a right hook to the face of friend such and such. Um I talked to uh both the victim and the suspect. Uh the victim stated that uh they felt pain in their left eye, um, and they think that something could be broken uh and did not consent. It was not mutual combat and would like to press charges. Uh Jerry Jerry claimed that best friend said he had made out with his wife, and that was the reason behind the punch. So I've got basically a confession. I got I got everything in there. Now the judge is gonna look at that and go, okay, does this meet the burden of probable cause? Yep, it looks like it does, especially since our officer witnessed the event. And now they're going to book you into the jail. The jail is going to accept you. They're going to say this is a layer of checks and balances. This is how it works. So Craig, why are you hitting people, Jerry? Uh so um that that's the process, at least where I'm at. It may differ a little bit from place to place, but like where I have, I have I have two layers of control. So when I bring actually kind of have three layers. Uh, I'll get into that. So the layers of control are like this. First, I have to write that PC affidavit and I have to give that to the jail sergeant. The jail sergeant's going to review it before it goes to the judge, and he's going to try to prevent you know an unlawful arrest before getting to the judge. So the judge doesn't look at us and go, you guys are dumbasses. Take that man home. Um, so the jail sergeant is your expert at the at the department. So you they know jail PC better. They should know jail PC better than anybody. So they're gonna review it and they're gonna look and they're gonna say, All right, what charge did you use? Okay, you're using um, you know, assault, uh bodily injury. Assault bodily injury, we'll say, we'll just say for the sake of argument, it's just a a low-level third-degree felony. Okay, boom. We got a felony case, it's an assault, um, possible broken orbital bone on the on the eye. So we'll say it's got some serious injury. Okay, cool. Um, does it meet the elements? And this is what the jail sergeant's gonna be going down. He's gonna be looking at that affidavit and saying, all right, well, what are the elements? And he's gonna have the elements pulled up next to him and say, All right, did the person feel pain? Yes. Is there um serious injury? Yes, he's got a broken eye socket. Okay, so did he was it a mutual fight? Was it anything like that? Nope, nope. Are there any exceptions? Nope, nothing. Nothing meets that according to the PC affidavit. Uh all the elements are satisfied here. I'm okay with this arrest. We're going to accept it. That's level one. Now it goes to the we have a 24-hour judge. So it's going to go in front of the 24-hour judge. They're going to read over it. They're going to be like, all right, let me see. Yep, all the elements are here. We'll approve this one. Um, we're going to set a bond at, you know, $500. And they'll set a little preliminary bond right then and there. That is where it starts to go wonky because that judge is the one that kicks them out. It ain't the DA, at least where I'm at. It's not the judge. Or it's the judge. It's not the DA. It's not anybody else. They are the ones that can say, nah. We're going to release. So the word that should be banned from police reports.

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What's the word?

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The word that should be banned from police reports. Trying to figure out what you're saying there, Project. Are you saying that you shouldn't be able to say that? It was a waffle. Jerry's left-handed. You guys are idiots. I love it. Uh again, if you guys are over on our Instagram or our TikTok, I highly recommend you jump over to our YouTube channel for a better shot at us seeing your chat. I do have a lot easier time seeing TikTok chat than I do seeing Instagram chat. The problem with Instagram, you guys don't know, when you go live, if I scroll up to see if I missed a chat, it no longer live feeds the chat. I have to continuously scroll. So if I get on a roll and talking for a couple minutes, I can't jump over and see if somebody chat. I got to keep rolling up and down the chat to see if I miss something. And that just causes too much attention being diverted. So Freeman in the house, what's going on, free? He said, hey friends. Floppy Chopper, which is like still one of the greatest names ever. He said, but Jerry had a rough childhood, so he gets out of jail for free guard. Jerry's Jerry's just getting crazy. Um Prison Cheeks. Ah, I missed that guy. I love the name.

IDs Social Security And Tattoos

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Cops aren't supposed to ask for social security numbers, but they do during Terry stops. Why? Serious question. So that is a good question. Um, one, there's no there is zero law saying that we can't ask for your soche. Um, have I done it? Uh fucking a hundred thousand times. I want as many identifiers as I can get. So I'll ask. Now on a Terry stop, no, I'm not asking that. You're right. I that's a stupid place to ask for that. Um, but if I'm if I'm involved when I know I got a criminal offense, I'm asking for as many identifiers as I can get. You don't have to give it to me. There's, I would say 70%, and this is just my own personal statistic of my experience. I'd say 70% of people just tell me I don't even know my social. Like they need to look at it. And that's fair. I I don't push the issue. Um, I really only need your name and date of birth and maybe an address to really um narrow it down that I have I have the person that you're saying you are. Um, but I I don't need it. I just we try to get as many identifiers as we can. If you've been arrested before and we get your FBI number, um, I don't think it's actually called an FBI number, but the you're it's basically your incarceration number that gets stuck with you. Um, so I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get as many identifiers as I can. If you got any new tattoos, anything like that, which this is a lost art, by the way. So officers out there, you need to start annotating tattoos. If you got it's gonna happen when they go in the jail anyway. The more you get ahead of it, the more you'll have for your own report. Because when you go to court and you want to positively say, without a shadow of a doubt, that was the guy. And you're like, you know, it was the guy that had the spider web tattoo that has a um initials J H on there. I don't know, I'm just making up some initials, but um, poor Jerry. Jerry's getting picked on now. Jerry, stop punching people. Allegedly broken eye socket. Um, I'm just going back through, make sure I didn't. I'm still trying to figure out what that meant, uh, the word that by project. Um I'm hoping he's typing up something. I'm enjoying a little bit of a little bit of uh C4 strawberry watermelon. That's a new flavor. I have not had that one. I mean, it's a new flavor for me. Um, over off of TikTok, uh IHUFREAN says, Why don't state troopers have a sense of humor? What happened there? I am with you, brother. They got that damn, let me bear with me if you're watching this. They got that hat and they do they just be like this on the stop the whole time. And then and then they then they get the knife hands out. Let me get my neck right too. Start doing this stuff, and they're like, why were you why were you driving so fast? Do you know why I pulled you over? That's that's my state trooper impression. I'm sorry, state troopers. I mean, it's not your fault you don't like to do real police work. Somebody's gotta write tickets, I guess. Um shots fired on the troopers. Um let me see here. But yeah, Jerry's right, social help narrow down the NCIC. Yeah, 100%. You don't have to answer uh prison cheeks. You don't have to answer it, but it does help. Um IHRIAN says hello from Memphis, safest city in the South. I I don't know. I don't know much about Memphis. Um I know I was walking in Memphis and my feet were 10 feet off a Beale. It was crazy. Uh if a sentence makes sense without the word, without the word that eliminate. Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. You're just you're you're you're trying to grammar Nazi me right now. That's what you're trying to do. I see what you're doing.

Cleaner Reports Without AI Writing

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I say, I say this. Um if you are writing your report, before you hand that in, you should be running that thing through AI now because what was it called before AI came? Grammarly, that was one way you could do it. Um, and then you've got the automatic thing that checks on Word, you know, as you're typing anyway. But yeah, grammatically speaking, now there's so many tools that you can use to make sure it sounds better and more proper. Now, if you're an officer out there listen, listening to that, AI should not be writing your report, it should just be a tool you use to do it better, just like anything else. So, oh, mom's in the house. What's up, mom? Um Craig said, the cop won't know if it's broken or not. It may be a pre-existing injury. That's true. So when you're doing the report, you can you you're only listing based off of either one, what the victim said, and what uh like because the ambulance are more likely to go and show up, and you'll go off of what they say. So I'll ask the ambulance. I'm like, you think it's broken? And I'll be like, We're not doctors, but it looks like it's broken. We've seen a lot of these, and I'll just say, you know, ambulance crew member 24 stated that it's likely broken. So you put that in there. Um, but uh looking over at the text and stuff, um, let me get back to the topic here. Uh so I've already asked what we need to know about the case before deciding who failed. Again, I would say I I don't think you can put the blame on the cops unless they screw up the affidavit. So that's that's the other point that I was trying to get to about when we try to book them into the jail. Now, if let's say Jerry, you know, threw that punch and I just flub up the the affidavit, whatever it is. I just screw it up royally. I don't prove my case, and the jail sergeant looks at me and is like, no, take them back or fix this. And I I just can't get my wording right. The jail sergeant can't tell me what to say, nor should they, because it has to be my words. I'm the one taking responsibility for putting this person in jail, taking their freedom away. Ultimately, it lies on the arresting officer. Now, a jail sergeant can tell me, like, hey, you're missing this element. I can't accept them without this element. Go back and redo it if you have it. And so then I'll be like, oh shit, he's right. I I should have put that, no, he felt pain. Um, and that it's possibly broken. Shit, so I fix it. But if I don't, let's just go with the same example. If I don't, and I gotta take Jerry back to the point where I arrested them at, or if I'm smart, I will take them wherever they request to go, as long as it's within the city. Um, that's another way they get back out on the street. So shitty cop affidavit, and they don't accept it. They get booted. That happens. So we'll go we'll go down that line of uh regions and so bad cop, judge boots them out. I I think that's it. Oh that's it. That's it. Maybe the jail, I and uh I've only heard of it, I've never seen it actually happen. The jail may get overcrowded. And if the jail's overcrowded, they cannot accept. They can say, no, no, we're at capacity. We're not taking this guy. And so they get booted back out. So that's another way. Um, or the jail does get packed, and let's say you've got 10 people sitting in intake that need to be processed into the jail, and they're all violent criminals. Let's say all 10 of them are violent criminals, but you're full. So what they're gonna do is they're gonna take some of the less nonviolent people. So if it's a simple assault, you know, you spit on somebody, technically that's a violent assault, but not in the hierarchy of things, we're gonna kick that person out. Then we're gonna go take this homeless person and kick them out. And so they'll start kicking people out of the jail. And so there's three ways. Yeah, three ways that they that I can think of off the top of my head where they get booted out of the jail. So that goes back to the question for y'all. Once you know the reason behind them getting booted out of the jail, where does your opinion lie on that? I know where it would lie with me if a cop has a shitty affidavit and and they get booted out. That tells me that's a training issue. That cop needs to, it's not a lazy cop issue because they arrested somebody, they took them all the way down to the jail. They actually have to do more work if the jail doesn't accept them because of their crappy affidavit. So that's not the case. Um but if if the judge is booting them out, that's a problem. That's where I got a problem. They should be held accountable. There should be now, okay, controversial moment. Let me let me bring this up. I've talked about this before. Let me get some caffeine. Okay. Controversial topic.

Judges Release Decisions And Accountability

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I think in the in the onus of transparency and accountability, everybody push for cops. And I'm with you. We're the pawns. We are the front-facing um thing of the criminal justice system. So we need to have the most accountability and transparency. We've got body cams, dash cams, um, use of force, we've got uh citizen police review boards. Um, we I mean, we've got all these different police accountability things. It's great stuff. I love it. I love that we're keeping us in check. That's good stuff. But what checks and balances do we have for the judges in the court system? If you're booting somebody out in the street, you need to have a transparency and accountability portal on your website. I want, and you tell me if I'm right, tell me if I'm right in the chat. I want there to be a list of the judges, and I want all of their rulings and I want their justifications. I want, if they boot somebody out to the street, it needs to be on there. You know, Judge Smith on November 8th at 12 uh a.m. in the morning, booted out uh, you know, a little pookie here. Uh who known to be brought in, it was charged with uh felony assault. And then the justification for booting them out on the street. I think that that is how you start to hold these courts accountable because let's face it, the judges have ultimate power. I don't mess with judges at all. I mean, at all. You want to talk about treating somebody differently? I do treat judges differently. No different than citizens, how they treat cops differently more often than not. Like, because you just don't want to deal with the bullshit. I I don't blame you. I don't want to deal with the bullshit from cops. Uh I just want to live my life. But I sure as shit don't want any smoke from a judge because you have no recourse, nothing. If that judge is like, you just you know, you you dishonored my courtroom, you I don't like your decorum or any of this shit, like this is contempt you boom, go. Like you're screwed. You don't you know and you can't say nothing, you can't do nothing. There is very little accountability, transparency when it comes to the courts. So I'm all about offering fixes for this stuff. That is, I'm not gonna be the guy that complains about something without offering some sort of fix. So that's where I want to lean back on y'all. What do you think? Do you think that that's a good way to help fix this issue of people getting pushed back out on the streets over and over again after an arrest? Curious what you guys think on that. Um uh IHUFRIAN over on TikTok said, every police interaction I have, I say, I wasn't driving, I was traveling. Memphis is so tough. Even the impound yard is full. Just leave cars on the side of the road. Holy shit. That's crazy. Please don't say I'm traveling. My argument, my my favorite little comeback on that as a cop in the street is if you tell me you're traveling, I'm gonna go, is your car in park? And they'll say, Yeah. I'm like, if you shift down one, what's it in then? They'll be like, reverse. And goes, if you go one more, what's it in? Neutral. All right, and what's the one right after that? Uh they're like, uh, I said it's not travel, is it? It's drive. That's a D on there, not a T. Nice try. Thanks for playing. You guys will see that a lot in my comments. If if if you try to do a gotcha moment with me, and you guys know, you guys know when you're trying to do a gotcha moment, you're gonna see right at the end is a winky face every time. I'm gonna give you that. And I'm gonna say, thanks for playing, because I see through it. Come on now. Don't be that guy. Have real conversation. Don't try to be the I gotcha guy. I'm wrong sometimes, guys. I am wrong. It happens. I'm not wrong being wrong. Learn from it. Rick Johnson over on Facebook says, Tarn feather when law fails. We need to make examples that shows the founding fathers set examples. I don't think the tar and feather is really PC anymore. I don't think you can do that. Um, although I believe there's probably some people that feel you can do that. I just want to say, too, it's crazy to me. I've been doing these lives regularly now. I'm doing them almost every day. Just trying to jump on for an hour, maybe an hour and a half. I think I'm getting more viewers on these random, no-notice lives than I do when we do our setup for Sundays. If you guys missed yesterday's, that is the one you need to go listen

Roberto Ortiz Story And GoFundMe Plan

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to and watch. I'm I'm actually in the process right now of setting up a GoFundMe for Roberto Ortiz. If you guys didn't hear that story, Roberto worked for, he still works, Mexican police. I believe it's the version of the state police for them. Um, but while he was on duty in 2022, uh the cartel members came after him while he was on duty, ran his ass over, uh, busted his legs up to the point where he was bleeding out. Um, both legs got amputated above the knees. He had gone to like three to five different hospitals in uniform while on duty, and they tried to extort him for like $20,000, or they weren't going to work on him. He's got tourniquets on him that his coworkers put on him that they bought themselves. A lot of their equipment was paid for by themselves. They're making literally about $1,200 a month. And I even went down the stats of from like 2010 to 2026, cops that have been killed in the line of duty in the United States generally floated around, we'll say 20 to 50 cops. In Mexico, in the same time frame, it was 400 to 600 cops die every year. They are in a war over there. It's crazy. But the fact that their department's not helping this guy get new legs. Um, another thing that he pointed out was that they don't have, they don't have the same handicap standards that we have here in the United States. Like there are no uh mandatory like ramps for wheelchairs, and that the roads and sidewalks need to be for people that may have disabilities. Like there's none of that. So basic prosthetic legs won't get the job done where he's at. And his legs, the the little warranty on them, they're about to run out. So, what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to start a GoFundMe. Oh, and his department won't let him do his own GoFundMe. It's against their policy or whatever. So they're not gonna give him the legs and they're not gonna let him try to raise the money for his own legs. So I said I'd take the burden on. The legs we're trying to get them are the top-of-the-line legs. I'm gonna bring up the site right now. Um, I saved it from last night. So I'm gonna share it on the screen right now. I'm trying to get him these guys. They're the uh Genium X4s by Autobach. Um, they are roughly $150,000 a leg, but they will get this guy by. So, with that said, I'm gonna take this off the screen. Um, what I'm chewing is I'm I'm creating the GoFundMe now. It's gonna be under two cops, one donut. Um, 100% of the money that comes in is gonna go directly to this cause. Okay. Um, I am not going to give the money directly to Ortiz. Um, I am going to give it to uh the company. Oh shit, I lost it. Dream something or other. It's in Oklahoma. They're the ones that got him through his rehab and got him the legs that he does have. So we're gonna go through them. Um I got to get a hold of them still, let them know what we're gonna do. Um, I'm gonna give them control of the GoFundMe once we raise the money, which we're trying to get 400,000. We figured the 300,000 will cover the legs and the extra 100,000 will be for the rehab and the fittings and and all the extra costs that we're not aware of. And that will go to Ortiz to get him everything on that. Um, your boy literally had a near-death experience. He bled out to the point where he said he was seeing what he would consider heaven. It was an incredibly dramatic and moving story that this guy went through. So it moved us so much that we are going to do our best. I have never even tried to raise money like this. I've never come close to anything like this in my life. I have no idea what I'm doing. I am relying heavily on people that I'm networking with. I'm relying heavily on AI, ChatGPT, to kind of get me through and get the steps going. And once that's done, it's going to be about networking. And we're going to try to do this in two months. His legs, I think, expire in like six months. It's not that they're no good anymore, but they they're the kind that just get in by. And if they break, then he's out of pocket again. And as you can tell, making $1,200 a month, this dude, they don't have the healthcare, they don't have any of that stuff like we've got. So I'm gonna try. We'll see. Um, I shouldn't say I. We we are gonna try. Uh it's it's it's uh a noble cause that this guy had. So if you guys see the episode on our Apple or Spotify, we got the full video on there as well. Go to our YouTube channel. You can see the full video there. Um, it is a very compelling story. We weren't sure he was gonna be on with the episode. I initially um titled it. I had to go back through and try to retitle it for everything, but uh initially we were just gonna talk about ALPR again and have the group, our group of guys talk about it. But uh he was able to come through. Um, so we we got him. I mean, he literally jumped on as the show had already started. So it was it ended up being a very good show. There's a lot of people in the chat that that saw that last night. So um Tariq Savannah over on uh Instagram said, What's up, bruh? Joining from Boise, Pilot Mama. What's up, Pilot Mama? Glad to have you guys in here. Um, our our Instagram live, Instagram Live just kind of generally doesn't do that well. So if you find yourself being ignored over there, please jump over to our YouTube channel. Um and then looking over uh P.T. Henry said, there's no D on a manual transmission. Uh that may be true, sir, that you have numbers, but nobody's driving manuals these days. Come on now. Who are you trying to play? Although I am normally that guy that has a manual. Um before I got my my truck, um I had a WRX that was manual, and then I had WRX before that, and then I had a Mazda that was manual. I had several Jeeps. I think I've had three Jeeps, all my Jeeps. I've been a manual shift driver pretty much my whole life. Um, but then when I went to get the truck, uh obviously it's very rare to find a nice truck that would be. I don't know that you could find a truck that's manual, a nice truck. But I got uh a 2019 Dodge Rebel. I've got approximately 50,000 miles on it, 51,000 miles on it. Uh it's a nice truck. I love that thing. And it's paid off. I paid that motherfucker off. First car in my life I've ever paid off. Kind of proud of that. Um, I don't know what's going on with either you guys ain't talking in the chat or it's stuck. I haven't seen it move sin, what it 10 minutes, it hasn't moved. So y'all need to start chatting out there. What's going on? Don't let the chat go dead today. We've got we've got a full classroom at least in here. We got 35 people in here. That's not bad. That is not bad. Um, so uh let me go up here.

Probable Cause Versus Trial Proof

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Um, an arrest, a release decision, a dismissal, and a sentence are all different things. Somebody going home while their case continues does not necessarily mean their charges were dropped. So that's a good point. I do want you guys to understand that just because somebody gets booted out of the jail does not mean that their charges are dropped. Just means they're released on their own recognizance. Um, things to consider. Um, probable cause to arrest and proof beyond reasonable doubt at trial are different standards. An officer can have a lawful basis to arrest without the government ultimately being able to prove the case at trial. So that's another thing. People often mistake when when we're arresting them that where's the proof? Show me all the proof. You gotta have like you're trying to prove 100% beyond a reasonable doubt, and that's not the standard for arrest. The standard for arrest is probable cause. I just need to show, like, yeah, this guy seems like he pretty much did it. And that burden of proof is not nearly as high. It's about 50, just over 50%, which is you know, argu arguable percentage. You know, I what I think is 50 per 51% will say you may be like, no, that ain't 51%. So Aaron Butler, chatty chatty chat. I like it. Thank you. So it is still working. Aaron Butler saving the day over there. What it is is everybody's probably just either at work. Well, no, it's it's a holiday for most people.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

I don't think I'm going to work today. I've got the option. I can go if I want, I don't have to go.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Um, but so I'm gonna go over to some of my talking points I got written

Evidence Collection That Saves Cases

SPEAKER_00 38:03

out here. Um, for the police, what evidence was collected, preserved, and communicated? So when I we're gonna go back to Jerry punching his friend for kissing his wife. Okay. I'm gonna collect photos of the victim, show where they got punched. It's gonna be a far shot, a medium shot, and then a close-up shot. And I always try to get them to point the victim to point where they got hit. Um, you're gonna have it on body cam. I'm gonna show their account of what happened when I'm talking to them. I'm gonna get those keywords for the elements of the offense. And this goes to pro tip for our cops out there. It is nothing these days to pull up the elements of the offense on your phone. Like in Texas, I can get the penal code and everything on my phone and look that stuff up quickly. So there's no rush on your call. Just because calls are holding, take your time. This will this will prevent you from having to do more work later, and it will help instill trust with the community that you're doing your due diligence on every call. So take the time, pull up the offense, and see what the key words are there. You got to have the intent, right? Men's re what was the person's intent? You may you talk to him, and Jerry is like, he said he kissed my wife. I wanted to deck him in the face. Like, all right, so you wanted to hurt him. Yeah, I wanted to hurt him. Okay, cool. I got your intent. Beautiful. That fits. All right, we got intent. Now, do we meet the elements of the offense? Did the person feel pain? Yes. Um, was this was it mutual combat, or was I looking for the exceptions? No, it wasn't that. So you're looking for those elements while you're out there and save you time when you write it up and when you go to the jail. Because you can tell the jail sergeant, hey, I already looked up the elements of the offense. Uh I believe I got them all there. So if you could just double check for me, Sarge, and they'll they'll check. Aaron But uh Butler Aaron over there said, uh, LOL, anytime, Sarge. No work, retired lieutenant. I love it. Appreciate it, LT. Thank you for your service, sir. Um, so things to consider. If you're a cop out there, and maybe you're a younger officer, my seasoned guys are gonna know this shit because you've learned it from making mistakes. I'm trying to help you from make, trying to help you prevent you from making those same mistakes. Um, but we arrested him should not be the end of our self-evaluation. Did we document the facts properly? Did we preserve the video? Did we follow up with the witnesses? Did we investigate information that pointed away from our suspect, not just information that supported the theory that is so important? Don't get a premeditated self of what happened. Take the bias out of the story. It's so hard to do. And the greatest example is on domestic

Bias Lessons From A DV Call

SPEAKER_00 40:58

violence. When you get there and the woman has just got what looked like got worked over. And if you don't have an eye for it, sometimes you find out they worked themselves over. I got one of the um the male had hid a couple cameras in the house because she had done stuff like this in the past. And he, I seen the arrest record. I went in knowing that this guy had been arrested five, I think it was five times for domestic violence against this same person. And when I read over the reports, every time he claimed that she had been doing this injury stuff to herself. So he set up cameras, and so I get there, I fully admit she looked like she got worked over. This chick was hitting herself in the face with one of those um meat tenderizers, like a wooden meat tenderizer. Hitting herself in the face, hitting herself in the body, doing all sorts of crazy shit. At one point, she ran across the room into the side of the wall, like where uh um an opening into the next room was. It didn't have a door there, but it it would look like a doorway. And she ran into the corner of that. Crazy shit. But if he hadn't had the video, what else can I go on? He would have gone to jail again for the sixth time. So don't get those preconceived. That was a lesson for me. I like that was the day. That's why I know that story so well. I remember the day I went in there and I'm like, oh, this motherfucker. Like I had already, I had already in my head, before ever even making contact, started thinking that this dude was a piece of shit and that he was probably at fault because I looked at the history. Oh, this dude's been arrested five times for domestic violence against this girl. Holy cow. So that's a that's that's an important factor. I think that's important. We should really really bunker down on that part of it. Don't build up stories in your head. It is so easy to do, and it's very hard to catch yourself in the act of doing it. I I still do it to this day. If you're telling me you don't, I I don't believe you. It's very, it's very easy to get wrapped up into a story. Um so it you tend to start leaning away because you we attach ourselves to our line of thinking on stuff. Um before we complain that somebody ruined somebody else ruined our case, we need to be willing to examine what we handed them. So that's kind of one of the talking points that I want to make towards other officers. Like, you need to be able to self evaluate. Did I hand them a good product? I had a real hard time as a detective at the beginning. I really married myself to a lot of what I was doing. Um, because I did a lot of work. I did a Lot of work into my cases. And so I like anybody, I was that's that's me. Like what I'm giving you is a piece of me. I put this together. And then when I get the intake uh prosecutor saying, I'm not taking this, this is shitty. I'm like, what the fuck? What do you mean? No, this is a polished masterpiece. And if you get a cool intake prosecutor, they'll take the time to teach you. But I got some no-nonsense ones before that they don't tell you shit. They're just like, no, we're not taking this. And I'm like, everything's here. And so then you got to go rely on somebody else. Like you start asking around, trying to find somebody that's gonna look at it. If you have the ego that will allow you to do that, there's some detectives they can't handle that. They're like, well, fuck them. If they're not gonna take my case, they're not gonna take my case. Because they don't have the balls to go show somebody else a peer and see and perhaps get made fun of to see their case. Um Aaron uh Butler, Aaron over there said, You're right, Sarge. I had a I had law books on e-format and department policy on my phone 10 years ago. Yeah. Like there's apps out there now. There's apps that you can get that will have all of that stuff for you. So just things to consider. Um looking over at the chat on Instagram. I'm not seeing anything new over there. Uh looking over at TikTok. If you guys are on our Instagram or TikTok, uh just remember you can jump over to our YouTube channel, Two Cops One Donut, and your chat will be seen a lot easier. Uh I will say, you guys are not nearly there's a lot of people on, but you guys just are not that chatty today. What's the deal? Um, what is the deal? Can a case ending without a conviction sometimes mean the system worked correctly? That's another thing. I think a lot of people would say yes. Like, how often I would love to know what the ratio is of conviction versus non-conviction once somebody's into that part of the system. Once the courts have accepted it, like what's the conviction versus non-conviction? I would say the conviction rate is probably significantly higher. Um I'm gonna get to the part that usually pisses people off. Um, when someone says the judge let them out, what what was the judge legally allowed to do? What did the prosecutor request? What did the defense present? What information was actually available at that hearing? Um, since I work in Texas, uh, this story that I told you guys was New York. Um, so we shouldn't pretend that every jurisdiction out there operates under the same set of rules. They don't, we know that. Um there are two different conversations that we can have here. Did the judge properly apply the existing law? And um, should that law be different? So these are things to consider um when we're looking at these cases where they're releasing them for violent uh felony offenses. Um you can think that the law needs to needs to change without pretending that the judge had an option that the law didn't provide. So you can also question a judge's discretionary decision without assuming every bad outcome proves misconduct. So what I want to ask you guys is should we judge a release decision by what was reasonably known at the time or by what happened afterwards? So um a a later tragedy should trigger serious review. So we release. Are we judging based on what we know at the time, or are we gonna judge based on them going out being released and doing some crazy shit? Um, but review means reconstructing the decision, what was known, what was missed, what was communicated, and what could lawfully have been done differently. Sometimes a judge's only thing to go off of is what the prosecutor gives them. And if you got a shitty prosecutor or one that's overworked, or uh just let one slip through the cracks, because that happens. Like that's something to consider. The judge can only make the decision based off what the prosecutor brings to the table, and then that goes deeper. The prosecutor can only bring to the table what you give him as a cop. So things to consider. Uh Aaron says he's out. Okay, my brother, I'm out. Time to go, do some auditing. Hopefully, I don't get arrested. Good luck, sir. Good luck. Um, but uh yeah, so you know what information do you do you need? Okay, so I'm gonna give you guys a hypothetical. This one is this is not the New York case. A person is accused of a serious assault. Okay, you've been told they have three previous arrests. So we're gonna get off of Jerry's example. We're gonna go with like a serious felony assault. Um, where you know where there's serious bodily injury and or almost death. They like they put somebody on death's door, we'll say. You're told that they have three previous convictions of something similar to that. Before you tell me hold them or release them, what else do you need to know? So I'm gonna go back to the chat. Somebody gets arrested for a serious assault. You've been told they've got three prior convictions for the same thing. Now you're the judge. Before you say hold them or release them, what other information are you asking for? What do you need to know?

Live Stream Tech Trouble And Reset

SPEAKER_01 50:04

I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna look at the chat and see what you guys come up with. Um looking over at Instagram, I made the mistake of scrolling. Uh telling me to refresh my YouTube chat. Um let me let me try. I don't know how to necessarily refresh my chat.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

Trying. I see, I got a text message. I apparently my YouTube chat may not be coming through properly.

SPEAKER_01 50:42

So I'm gonna exit out of that. And maybe if I type something, testing. What is it saying?

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Oh, I think we somehow may have lost our connection with YouTube because nothing is going through on YouTube. That's crazy. What is going on?

SPEAKER_01 51:08

Says it's streaming.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

So maybe that's what's going on. My my chat. I don't know what's what happened, so we're gonna troubleshoot here for a second. Testing chat, because I am not seeing anything on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

I continue to test the chat.

SPEAKER_00 51:41

Um maybe that's why I went so dead for so long. My bad, guys. Restream is failing me, or YouTube's failing me, one of the two. It's saying it's streaming there, but the results are not right. So I am going to. I'm gonna try something I've never tried before. I'm gonna exit out and come back in on a live. So I don't know what's gonna happen. That's the good thing about this, is we troubleshoot on the fly, and there's no real serious consequence, because it's just me. So stand by. I'm gonna try some shenanigans.

SPEAKER_02 52:48

All right.

SPEAKER_01 52:51

Back on we'll see what happens. Let's see if it uh we're gonna pull the chat up. See if that worked. Holy cow.

SPEAKER_02 53:04

I think it worked. Testing.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

Let's see. Because all of a sudden I see a bunch of chat that I didn't see before.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

No, it's still not connecting. Because I keep testing out putting this on the screen.

SPEAKER_02 53:25

I don't know what's going on. I missed a bunch of chat.

SPEAKER_00 53:38

I'm just sitting there thinking I'm talking to myself. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna pull up YouTube individually. And I'm going to look at the chat live that way.

SPEAKER_01 53:55

Let me mute it. Okay, there we go. Just gonna have to look at it the old-fashioned way.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

Okay, guys, I got you back. I just thought I was I just thought everybody was late leaving me. But we hear. Um anyway, okay. I I don't even know where I left off because I couldn't see any of the chat.

SPEAKER_01 54:32

Uh I think I think we got it right. Somebody said to message me.

SPEAKER_00 54:40

Where's Mr. Billfold when you need him? He said he ended up having to amputate. Okay, so we're all talking about that. Pit bulls and bonfires left. Do you think uh do you have a link?

SPEAKER_01 54:54

Wait, is that from last night? Am I on the wrong one? No, this is the right one. This is insane that I cannot get this figured out. YouTube sees you. Beautiful. Okay. I guess we're here.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

I'm trying to see if you guys say anything else. I've only I only see my comment, so I don't know if it's still updating or not. This has been a waste of fucking chatting for the last five minutes. I'm sorry, guys. Testing again. I see Elevator said happy Labor Day. I just don't think it's updating the chat.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

I don't know why.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

That's crazy. It's being a pain in the ass. That's no fun for anybody. Started off fine. Testing on restream. It's kind of ruined my flow. I had a flow going. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. At what point while on the job might a CID detective wear his or her standard patrol uniform from JT? Um never. I would say never. I don't think that'd happen. I got my mom's text telling me that my shit wasn't working right. Um, yeah, I don't see a CID ever really wearing their regular uniform because they're gonna have their badge and gun on their hip. That's usually how that would work. Uh this really is aggravating me that this I hate when stuff doesn't work right. And I don't know how to fix it. There is no reason for this to not be working properly as it's saying it's streaming. Yet it's not working on the chat, right? So there's a bit of desync between chat and video. Yeah, I know that. There's always a little bit of a delay, but I just wanted to make sure that chat was still popping up. Okay, so let me let me go back to what we were talking about. Okay, so uh things to consider about what you need to know about the cases um for holding them and releasing them. What time what happened in the earlier cases? So that makes a difference. If let's say the guy did get in trouble for a serious aggravated assault, um I think it would make a difference if it was like there was a big brawl and he was there trying to like defend his friends, but could have walked away. So they're going off of that factor, like, okay, you're not out there just trying to start some shit, but if if it's a case where you were walking down the sidewalk and you saw somebody that you were gonna try to maybe rob or whatever, or you just assaulted them for no reason, like that makes a big difference. So, what happened in that earlier case? Um, when did the alleged conduct happen? That makes a difference too. Did the new accusation involve something that happened after the person was released, or is it an arrest today for something that allegedly happened months earlier? How much time passed prior to that? Um somebody said I'm in Connecticut and it seems fine. Uh so yeah, time that's gone by that makes a big difference. Uh this chat thing really pisses me off, y'all. Because I pay for this. Like I pay for this service. Like, this is what when you guys donate to the show, it goes into this. So this shit needs to work right so I can communicate with y'all. I don't think that's too much to ask for. But at the same time, I know technology is not perfect. We've never had this problem before, so maybe, maybe it'll get fixed here. I'm gonna test again.

SPEAKER_01 59:07

I'm just gonna keep testing the chat to see if it'll refresh itself. It doesn't seem to want to do it.

SPEAKER_00 59:17

Um let me see here. Uh, what does the current evidence show? What evidence supports new allegations? Already talked about that. Um then add the money

Should Money Decide Who Goes Home

SPEAKER_00 59:30

question. Okay, so let's talk about the money question. Two people have similar allegations, similar evidence against them, similar histories. One has money and the other doesn't, meaning one's a rich dude and one's just a regular Joe like the rest of us. Should that difference decide who goes home? And for everyone saying no, what should replace money as the deciding factor? So that's the that's the new scenario, okay? If you think that money shouldn't make a difference, because when it comes down to the elements of release, they want to know are you a flight risk? Are you gonna be easy to find again? Are you going to come back to court? People with money, more often than not, they're they don't have a choice. They it's very easy to find them. You're gonna know where they work, you're gonna know where they stay, um, and they should come back on their own because they have way, way, way, way more to lose is the theory. That's that's the theory. Or the rationale that some make. I'm not making that rationale. I'm just saying that's the rationale some make. So if that's the rationale that they're gonna make, and you're the person that is not well off, and you could be a fart in the wind after being released, what factors do you choose? What makes the difference? Oh crap news says hello. What's up, Ocrap News? I love it. Some of the names y'all come up with. Uh, question I see pit bulls, pit bulls and bonfires. Is that any relation to pit bulls and tattoos? Or no, that's shotguns and tattoos. Pitbulls, there was another pit bulls, right? I feel like somebody changed their name. I just want to know if I'm right. Um I thought pit bulls had a different name than pit bulls and bonfires. So is that a new person or is that the same person? Um, Eric, Matt T was on the live, so I'll use my boost points on YouTube to boost you or and Matt's GoFundMe link videos. Hell yeah. Awesome. Appreciate you. Um a DEA officer became my sponsor to get a tour of addiction, and he was run over by an 18-wheeler during a funeral duty. He's a double amputina. God damn. Dude's out there trying to do the right thing. Uh JD88 said, a guy broke into my car, broke into three cars. Oh, he says I got one for you. Guy broke into three cars, security arrested him, cops hauled him off in cuffs. Hooray heroes. 20 minutes later, the guard is still writing the report, and the same guy comes right back. Right? Because it's a nonviolent offense. And if the jails are full or the judge decides, like, what are you gonna do? They come right back. Um, Joe Moore said, Article one, section ten. No state shall make anything but gold and silver as tender as payment for all debts and lawful money. Yeah, that's uh that's an outdated article or section that's no longer in common practice. So that's why we have money. We have digital money too. Um no, that's her name, Eric. Uh-oh, is is the chat working again? Let me see. Testing. Because now I'm starting to get text. Yes, great success. It's working again. Does Matt Thornton work nights at a hospital? Yes, he does. That son of a bitch. He told me he's got two new jobs now, so I don't even know what the other new job is, but yeah, that fucker, he's he's not enjoying retirement at all. Hey Freeman, he's back, he's back, baby. Yeah, it is true. We are back. Um, we got we got about another 30 minutes in me, so we're gonna keep going. Um okay, so um now that we've identified the problem, I I didn't mean to because I had this whole format that I was wanting to follow, but I kind of gave you guys the fix, what I think is the

Transparency Portal For Courts Proposed

SPEAKER_00 1:03:56

fix. And I guess that's the part in the chat that I didn't get to see. I guess you guys were probably responding, but it wasn't coming through. Um, but here's my question: Do you think that this is a viable fix? Do you think it is the fix? We make a transparency and accountability portal for the courts, the judges and the prosecutors. You got to have their names on there. And the things that I would want is, you know, cases they dismiss, people they release, and the justifications behind all of that. You know, you don't have to give exact names, you can just talk about what the charge was, you can talk about all of that stuff. And I think that that is how that's how you get the accountability. Because I know that if a judge has to all of a sudden have the masses be able to look at why they're letting people why they are letting people go, that may make them think twice. However, the fallout from that may be a lot less people get released, a lot more people are in jail. We're over flooding our jails as it is. So Ryan said, now we can't talk behind Eric's back. He can see us. I see everything. Um about freaking time. It wasn't me, it was the tech. It wasn't me, it was the one our man. Somebody asked about Matt. Does Matt Thornton have an email address for us to send him cop videos? Uh, I don't think so. I'm not 100% on that. Um, what you can do is I think Matt has a I think he has a section on our Discord where you can send him videos. Um I can tell you he has no trouble finding them, but yeah, you I think you could do it on our Discord channel because Matt is a part of Two Cops One Donut. But um you can also I I don't want to get flooded with more emails. I was gonna say you can email me, email me, and I'll send them over to Matt. But holy shit, I don't want to do that either. I have our I already have. Two, I I it's a good problem to have. I get videos sent to me on every platform. That's the one way you could do it, by the way. Um, JT. Go to his Instagram or go to any of those and just send it through a message. That's how I get all my videos. I just I check my messages every day. I don't use every single video because I get so many, but I haven't had to look for videos in years. Y'all just send them to me. I check them on the Discord, I check them on Instagram, TikTok, uh, Facebook. You guys send me videos constantly. And I love it. Um I would challenge you guys to send me more positive videos. I don't get a whole lot of those. Um, so um oh crap news. Our civil rights are protected news. Oh, nice. I see what it is. Um, JD88. If a cop cuts a borderline DUI, a break, and they crash and die, that death is on the cop. Judge releases somebody with 70 prior violent offenses and they murder someone, it's an isolated incident. Holy shit, that's the comment of the day right there.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

Yep, you ain't wrong, sir.

Ankle Monitors And Jail Overcrowding

SPEAKER_00 1:07:09

Um, Eric, do they put more people on house arrest with ankle monitors now with the jails being overloaded? Uh, yeah. I think the tech is there. The tech gets used a lot more often. Um, so yeah, I do think that that's being used a lot more than it used to be. Um, and I'm not necessarily against it. Um, it's just a matter of how easily can it be defeated? Are they putting the right money into the right tech so it can't be easily defeated? So that's one thing to consider. Um like there's I've I've watched people have these bragging social media videos of them cutting it off. So I sent you my good Popo playlist a while back. Yeah, yes, he did. Um, the problem is, Mr. Billfold, you send me so much stuff it gets buried easily. I gotta go back and find him. Uh let me see here. No, he doesn't. Mr. Billfold actually sends me quality stuff. So I guess everybody's seeing my text when I said testing. Yeah, I don't know what the deal is. It looks like it's back and running again. So so yeah, I think the fix again. Maybe I don't know. Maybe I'm the idea fairy, and that's maybe there's reasons they can't do that. I don't know. Actually, let's do that. I'm going to type this idea into Chat GPT and see what it tells me. I have an idea to fix the courts about letting people out controversially. What if the courts created a trans transparency portal where the judges and DAs have to list cases being dismissed and or charged or people being released versus being kept in jail?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

The judges and DAs would have to have their names listed, justifications, the charge, and maybe some other factors I'm not thinking of. But do you think that would help fix people being released and later committing violent felonies?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:10

Let's see what the smartest of AIs can come up with. While that is going, um going back over the chat. Mr. B, at least he looks at your messages. I look at yours too, Twitch. You just do a lot on Discord. I don't check Discord nearly as often. Um not because I'm intentionally ignoring it. I just, and now you've got my you've got my cell phone. So that's why we have the mods text channel. Like that. Texting is the absolute best way to communicate with me. Um I've got two different notifications for the show about one minute apart. That's because I think um you got the vertical and then you got the horizontal. So I think that's why it does that, Wade. I think that's why it does that. I'm curious what chat's gonna come up with on this because I think this is actually a really good idea. Um Bora Bora 4480 says judges' appeal overturn rates uh should be published as well. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, because if you're um the lower court and your shit constantly gets appealed and then overturned, you're the problem. You're just passing the buck down the road. And what does that do? When you pass the buck down the road as a judge, now you're forcing that person to stay interlocked in the system even longer. More than likely, they're not gonna be employed at the place that they should be employed. Um and now they're gonna have to fight that battle, which everybody knows is a bullshit battle. Ask anybody that's tried to get something expunged. Shit, I'll give you me a personal example. My truck got fucked up by hail. The insurance company accidentally listed it as an accident claim, like I had been in an accident, versus the, you know, act of God claim, which is really what it was. And I am still fighting this from like 2021 because it lists that I've been in an accident and my insurance rates keep trying to go up, and we have to appeal it every time. They can't just simply get rid of it. So it's the same with the court system. If you get wrapped in and you get convicted on that lower court because they're just like, well, well, I don't want to be the one that takes the responsibility for this case. So we'll go with the conviction now, and then he can get released later through an appeal, and we'll put it on the appeals court, and that's horse shit. That is horse shit. Yeah, I'm with you, boobs. Bobs. I said boobs. My bad. Uh I read it real fast. It looked like boobs at first, um, which is probably what you meant. Uh Bobs, and uh, he says, I don't know how people survive employment after arrest. I don't either. You better have a really good employer that understands. Um, Jonathan Marcus, are you current Elios having an issue with poor prosecution or pleading down for violent crimes? Uh, I've been out of that game for a little while. I haven't heard of that being a big issue where I'm at personally, but that is another thing that needs to be known. That's a that's a really good question. Um, I just posted a video on Discord. They arrested people for street takeover and then they just let them go. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that's probably the California one that you're talking about. Um, because there's no way they could have arrested all of them. So a lot of people don't know this, but citations are in lieu of arrest. So when you're getting a ticket, you're actually being given a courtesy because you're supposed to appear uh immediately in front of a judge. So what a citation is, is like that's you saying, I promise I'm gonna go show up to court. Um, I actually got into an argument with a cop that says that I was telling them that it's not mandatory that you have to arrest somebody just because they refuse to sign a ticket. And they're trying to tell me that's their promise to appear. If they don't promise to appear, then you have to take them in front of the judge. That's not true. It's not true where I'm at. It may be true where they are. I don't know. I can't speak to every state and every jurisdiction.

Stress Testing The Portal With ChatGPT

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But where I'm at, no, I don't have to take you to jail just because you refuse to sign the ticket. I'm just gonna write refused. I can't make you promise to appear in court. Um okay. So ChatGPT just can't came up and said, uh, and I've got my Chat GPT set up so it doesn't automatically agree with me to or be agreeable. It's actually supposed to be a pretty harsh critic on me. Um so it said, yes, Eric, I think that could be a useful accountability reform. And it could be used to help identify and prevent some avoidable failures. So if you're just catching up to what we're doing, I'm trying to say that to hold the courts and DAs to more accountability. This is my fix is to make a transparency and accountability portal that shows cases they dismiss, cases that they release people to the public while charges are pending and any cases that they may drop down. So to the point of somebody in the chat talking about lowering violent felony um accounts. So um, but it said um it could help identify and prevent some avoidable failures, but I would not promise that a transparency portal by itself would reduce violent reoffending. I agree. I don't think it would necessarily be able to claim it helped reduce it, um, or that it would reduce it. It could help. The strongest part of your idea is requiring uh identified decision makers to explain their decisions when they make them, then connecting those decisions to what happened afterwards. Um, that is substantially more useful than simple simply publishing a list of judges who release people. First, an important discovery Texas already has part of this. Oh, okay. Texas operates a public search portal for completed bail forms called Texas Online Public Information Courts and publishes bail statistics and dashboards. So there is an existing foundation rather than a need to reinvent the entire system. Um prosecutor dashboards also exist. For example, Broward County State Attorney's Office publishes measuring, measures distinguishing cases rejected before filing the case, cases dismissed after filing. The improvement I would build around your idea is connecting those pieces into understandable case history. Um, so what police submitted, what prosecutors requested, and what the judge could legally do, what the judge decided and why, and what actually happened afterward. Existing reporting systems establish the pieces that are feasible. They do not establish that your proposed public name decision portal would itself prevent felonies. Um what I would require the portal to show. I would call it a court and prosecution decision transparency portal. That's a big mouthful, because your idea covers more than judges. Um this is what ChatGPT is proposing for me based on the idea I gave it. Um, the information we want who made it, each decision, what happened to the charge, what each side requested, what the law allowed, what information was available, the actual decision and explanation, actual custody status, what happened afterward. Um I'm sorry, I the actual decision, explanation, actual custody status, and what happened afterward. So that is all of the thing. I think we're on to something here. We are brainstorming together. Um Ryan said, I can't help but always be skeptical of any police officer that has the highest DUI arrest rates. Some have been caught doing wrong thing to arrest innocent drivers. Um, yeah, in Kentucky, there's a big controversy going over that. Um you gotta look at the benefits that the department may get through having those. Um yo, you have trying to read that. You have cops been to jail. Yo, you have like insight. I think you should be oh, have us cops gone to the jail. I think it should be mandatory. I think every cop should go through that whole experience. Um yes, I think that's a great idea. Um time permitting, we make our recruits go to court and they have to sit through and see how the court proceedings go. Um I don't know that they do visit the jail as a recruit. I think they should as a recruit. That's actually a good idea. I didn't, I I guess I never I just considered that once you get out there, your FTO should take you there, because that's generally what does happen. Once you're out there, the FTO will take you through. But maybe as a recruit, you should have to go through. Because if you go through as a recruit, maybe it's a wake-up call and you're like, I don't want to do this. And then we get rid of you uh without investing more money into you. So I think that would be a good one. Um, Bob said, I just finished five anger management and four to six psychologists uh one-on-ones. Read my form. My arrest was against a former SRG. The portal idea is great. Gotta have teeth behind it. Absolutely. Um the most important field is says is what was known at the time. Without that, the portal could tell us terrible outcomes followed by a decision without helping us determine whether the decision was unreasonable. Um explanations for detaining people as well as releasing them. The proposal should hold the use of government power accountable in both directions. A hundred percent.

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Um but uh let me see here.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:52

My uncle, I'm not even mad, but I wasn't gonna fold to his bullshit. Um Tennessee is the worst for false deal. It's something to do with Tennessee. Isn't Tennessee and Kentucky like right on top of each other? It's that area. It's the culture over there, it seems to be. I think the FBI got involved, and the FBI is holding accountability for all that bullshit. So that's good that the checks and balances are working out. It's just probably taking a lot longer than people needed. Um Bob said, Man, I went through my first arrest and it was a horrible experience. Well, it's not supposed to be a good experience. I just hope it wasn't like a corrupt experience. That's always that's always bad. Um, but yeah, maybe, maybe a transparency portal. I just keep glossing over. Um, maybe a transparency portal. That's the answer to this. This is how we start holding accountability for these knuckleheads that get released too early, and they've got all these violent tendencies, and and the judges are either ignoring it, but I think it's important to note exactly what it was saying in this is to make sure that we're listing what's known at the time. If the judge is like, I'm releasing them because this was presented to me and this is what I know right now, it may make a lot more sense why that person got released. And we're gonna be like, oh, well, the judge didn't really have a choice here. According to the law, this is what they got to do. Um but yeah, I think I think that's right. Um, so there's there's a final there's a final verdict on this, and it's saying, I'm proposing a transparency portal for court and prosecution decisions. Show us who made the decision, what the prosecutor requested, what information the judge had, what the law allowed, what the law allowed, and why the decision was made. Then track what actually happened afterwards. So that's gonna be a lot of work right there. Um, and this goes both ways. Explain why somebody was released, but also explain why somebody was kept in jail. So then we can start saying, like, yeah, we got these people in there for a reason. If a judge followed the law and made a reasonable decision, the record should help demonstrate that. If a prosecutor missed something, police submitted something incomplete, or someone ignored documented warnings, we should be able to identify it and fix it. Um, I am not asking for the public scoreboard of who locks up the most people. I'm asking for the public record of who decided what, why, and whether they learned anything from the outcome. I like that. I like that. Uh bearded Tim over there on TikTok. He said, yo. What's up, brother? Um, so yeah, I I think I think we just freestyle brainstormed an idea, and I think it'll work. Now, who's gonna champion the cause? I got too many causes I'm championing. So championing, I don't even know if that's a word. It doesn't sound right. Um, so what about the teeth behind it? Yeah, it's kind of the point that I'm getting to, Jerry. For judges and prosecutors who are elected, elected should have an automatic recall process to start um get the ball rolling. So, yeah, I guess it would have to be on a judge or a prosecutor or DA to campaign that and make it a standard. That's who we would need to champion a cause that way. So let's hold their feet to the fire. You can't hold the cop. I can't do, I gotta stay in my lane. That's not my lane. If we're gonna be fair, that's not my lane. Um, shit. Y'all get on me for not getting a hold of departments in other states for some shenanigans that their cops are doing. I'm like, I it's not my lane, y'all. I can't, I can only affect my little fishbowl. I can put ideas out into the uh interwebs and try to try to affect change by being a thought leader, but I can't it's not my bandwidth is not that large that I can be going and trying to hold these departments accountable. Can't do that. It's not you're not asking something reasonable of me. I'm still a dad, I still got a family. I got to put time into that, I gotta put time into the military, I gotta put time into um my association where I'm trying to help be the leading edge of these texts that are being used. That's why I keep talking about this stuff so often. Um, somebody actually wrote an article about me today. Uh, I saw it on LinkedIn, and they wrote an article about me representing myself as two cops one donuts. What I was putting the message out as, but they were trying to say that I was putting that message out as my association-related stuff. And that's not true. What I do on the show has a zero connection with how I present things for as the association. So I just want to get that message out there now. Um, what I say and do on here is a reflection of two cops, one donut. Not a reflection of my department, not a reflection of the association that I'm a part of, nothing else. Nothing else. So I'm just putting it out there for the record. Um, Bora Boris says, I have a meeting later this week with my state senator who sits on the public safety committee. I will bring up the idea. Ooh, do it. Do it. Tell them two cops, one donut. See if we can get some credit. That would be awesome to show that this show is at how helping make changes across the nation. So, because I think we are. The optimistic uh idealism that I have likes to think that that's what it does. That's what we do, though. Um, how are you guys liking our newest member that we're adding? Uh Zole, red dog Murphy. I call him Murph. Um, how are you guys liking him? I hope you guys like him.

Support The Show And Next Guests

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Um as soon as I get done with this stream, I'm probably gonna end this one in about four minutes, but when I get done with this, I'm gonna get jumping back on making this uh this what the hell you call it, GoFundMe for Roberto. I really, I really hope I didn't set the bar too high. Because I have no idea how I'm gonna get all this going. I'm really leaning heavily into the community and AI to get this thing going. I I I kind of want to end it again about Roberto, so I hope you guys can help me get this out there. Um Wade said, if you want to clean up cops and courts, make them licensed and wear your license on uniform with home address. Uh Wade is is pie in the sky of an idea, as that is, you're not accounting for the real nut jobs out there. And that's that's just not it's not reasonable at all. Um Because there are some psychos. There's 350 million people here. You do some shit like that, you're gonna get the nut jobs going to their house. And that's not fair to the family members of those involved. They have nothing to do with it. You're you're that's just nah. I don't like that. I don't like that at all. Um, because there's people I've arrested legitimately. Well, all the people I've arrested has been legitimately, but people I've arrested that have sworn they were going to find my wife and kids. And it was their fault. They did some fucked up things. No, you're not getting my home address and putting my family at risk. Uh out your mind. But I'm loving all this. He's great. We're talking about Zoll. Love Murph. Murph is the shizzy. Love Red Dog. He's got some really good points. Yeah, I like him too, man. I like him too. I like that I gotta fight for the mic from him sometimes. Because like the way that I I have to I have to kick Matt in the ass to talk. I have to kick Banning in the butt to talk. I gotta, I, you know, I do understand I have to control the show. That's what the host is supposed to do. And when we're talking online, it it can get really frustrating for the whole panel when everybody's trying to talk over each other. It can get frustrating for the people listening. So somebody does have to control it. But what you guys don't see behind the scenes is a lot of time there's a little private chat box, and I'm like, hey Banning, say something about this. Hey Matt, say something about that. Because I feel like they're just sitting there being quiet and they're not trying to step up and talk. And I know they have really good points. So um that's what I really like about Murph. I like that he's just like, nah, I'm gonna say something right now. So I'm like, say it. Um, Eric, if you'll HMU on Discord, um, I'll help with the GoFundMe. Okay. Uh, what does HMU mean? I don't know what that means. Hit me up if you'll hit me up on Discord. Okay, I can do that. I think that's what that means. Um Bob said I'd still be a cop. Hell yeah, brother. In California, we must display license. I did emissions testing for state, and I had to display a license. Um, I mean, that's what your badge is for. That is that is your credentials in a way, because it should have an identifier on there, should have your badge number. So um, I think you should have an identifier. And your car, your squad also has identifiers on it. So you don't have to go by the license, you can go by the number that's on the car. Um, hit me up, everybody. Hit me up, hit me up. Yeah, my bad. I'm not I'm not down with all the fucking acronyms every day, guys. You young bucks. Um, but yeah. Okay. We're at an hour 30. I think that was a very well done live. I got nothing else. I'm just looking at the chat. Um I I don't know if somebody supported the show today with some sort of donation. I might have missed it because the the chat wasn't keeping up. Restream had frozen for 30 minutes. And so I apologize if somebody did donate and I didn't see it and didn't give you props for that. Any money that gets donated to the show goes directly back into the show. So thank you so much. I usually save all that for the end um because I don't like asking people to help support the show. I would rather you support if you can um through the likes, follows, shares, all that stuff. If you are generous enough to donate to the show, you're directly helping fund some of the stuff that we do. Everything is takes time, guys. So I want you to consider the amount of time that we put into this. If you're getting some sort of value from it and you think it's doing some good in the world, then yes, I think I think uh we would love for you to help financially with your money support the show. So that'd be cool if you could do that. If not, no biggie. Um we get it. Everybody's got to count their dollars these days. Um and if you're like me, you live pretty much paycheck to paycheck. So I get it. Uh other than that, uh, I am still, oh, next week I have a scheduled person. Let me pull up my let me pull up my menu here. What's today? The sixth. Oh no, I'm sorry, the 20th. The 20th, I have a scheduled person. Um, I got Patrick Carr from Orlando. Um, he's a podcast guy out of Orlando, and he's constantly putting out really good stuff. I follow him. Um, I don't believe he was a cop. I'm not 100% on that, but he does talk a lot about police stuff going on in Orlando. So I'm gonna have him on. His name is Patrick Carr, C-A-R-R. That's gonna be in two weeks. So that'll be on the 20th. Um, I did get in contact with Brandon Grable from um Clearly Established. So I'm working on getting him. I actually this isn't me going through people, this is me actually making contact with him. Um and I'm also in talks with Ben Jordan. So I we've shared uh text messages, so I'm I'm working on trying to get him on. So uh, and and then I did get a hold of Tommy G, but I haven't really been able to keep up with him. So Tommy G, Ben Jordan, and Patrick Carr. These are three people and um Brandon Grable from Clearly Established. So those are four guests I'm working on currently. Uh, I think they all be great additions to the show. I hope you guys like that. Um, Bob's Bob's dropped two bucks in the super chat. Thanks for the insight. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Thank you very much. Like I said, um, that goes directly into the show and helps us out tremendously. Uh let me see. Anything else I'm forgetting before I got the guest telling you guys where all of our stuff's at. Oh, last thing. I've I busted my ass last night and got the episode launched from last night. So it's out there. It's on Apple and Spotify. And on both Apple and Spotify, the video's uploaded so you can watch it. Um, and then we've also got our YouTube. Share the hell out of Roberto's um episode. And when you do, let everybody know that we've got that GoFundMe coming and the reason behind it. Let give people a backstory on this one. Don't just say, hey, share this. I am challenging the community. Let's get this out there now so people kind of already know the story ahead of time. So when I get this GoFundMe out there, we can help. We've already set the tone and we'll get that going. So um really appreciate it. Uh Jonathan Marcus said clearly establishes the GOAT. Absolutely love him. Um, and our NCR News Network, what's going on? How are you? Thanks for joining us. Um, you guys know my platform. I'll shout out anybody's stuff. I like if you're out there doing things, trying to make things work, my platform's your guys' platform. So check out NCR News. I have no idea what they do, but uh, they're out there trying to do something. Uh go and see if they're for you. Um push gnarly, undonut key gesso. I don't speak espanol. I don't know what he just said. I know what he said, donut. Um actually, let's let's go let's go chat GPT and see what he said. Un donut K Gesso. I just don't know what gesso means. Um it's Spanish for a donut with cheese. Uh I thought it would be queso, not gesso. Thank y'all so much for hanging out. Yep, appreciate that. Um somebody my mom said he's had a few of those on. Go back in the videos and you will find them. Uh Jerry said, Hey y'all, hit the like button before you go. I love it. Um okay. That's it, guys. It was a good one. Everybody have a good day.